"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022651690a60cd64823ad83f10324b5ecc1\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 1 AUGUST 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002287b63600193d488ba1d3b39f3185defd\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 1 AUGUST 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022625c6b239cf347da877ae94effda13a5\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022209cec3d1d6047f2a9a8504d9ed907c5\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022d4dba0c9980a44158918480bc52eb9cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d4dba0c9980a44158918480bc52eb9cb\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Legislation to be considered next week will include the first readings of the Electoral Amendment Bill and the Parliamentary Agencies Delegations Legislation Bill, the second reading of the Conservation (Indigenous Freshwater Fish) Amendment Bill, and the remaining stages of the Misuse of Drugs Amendment Bill and the Copyright (Marrakesh Treaty Implementation) Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 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the Realm and that I am sure she will be available for question time in the House when she is back in Wellington.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002251291bf952e4462c9e5c3c7810540287\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224706990c93a14041ae4d5ff9a1e7de86\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022dbe1f473501b469ba4cb2924521c18d3\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Urban Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u002272f48c9b820e4189a92882192a601baf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272f48c9b820e4189a92882192a601baf\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Urban Development: Does he plan to ensure that future urban development reduces New Zealand\u2019s greenhouse gas emissions and responds effectively to climate change; if so, how?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00224818f11e791944549e4c96b8b2dfce9e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp 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While the built environment accounts for between 2 and 5 percent of New Zealand\u2019s greenhouse gas emissions, urban form contributes to some of the emissions arising from transport. This Government\u2019s committed to achieving net zero carbon emissions by 2050. We\u2019ve rebalanced transport spending to invest more in public transport in our cities\u2014for example, the changes to Auckland\u2019s bus network, funded by our Government policy statement, has meant that public transport patronage has now surpassed 100 million trips in the last year. We\u2019re reforming the planning rules to enable more quality intensification, and Minister Parker is working on reforms to the Resource Management Act. As well as preventing children from being hospitalised, the Healthy Homes Guarantee Act is expected to reduce emissions by approximately 100,000 tonnes over the next 15 years. Minister Salesa is working on how building regulation can reduce emissions and is updating the Building Act to enable the use of modern methods of construction. And, as the member knows, the Climate Change Commission will prepare emissions budgets, including for the built environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298d86d131911456e8e3bfdb8703edeff\u0022\u003EHon James Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: What measures will he take to encourage local authorities to plan for urban growth in a way that addresses climate change, both through mitigation and adaptation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8273d3c666e445680b5fa5d0c158116\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we\u2019re encouraging local authorities to plan for urban growth\u2014a radical idea. For example, through the Auckland-Hamilton corridor, the Government\u2019s working with councils and iwi to take a long-term coordinated approach to urban growth and managing land use, setting aside areas of special value, and providing transport infrastructure focused on the existing rail network. Climate change adaptation and reducing carbon emissions will be a core part of that planning process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b9b2238555140d898b092c2861cf0cc\u0022\u003EHon James Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree that local authorities should ensure that new housing developments are high density, to reduce greenhouse gas emissions in our cities and towns?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240c14c1f51aa4542a6ed0197ce863972\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we are working on reforms to the planning rules that will remove the barriers to quality intensification in our cities, and we\u2019ll have more to say on that in the coming weeks. New Zealanders want to live close to where they work and play, and the latest consent data in Auckland shows that half of the growth in building consents currently is apartments and town houses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bb8261503484b97864a936f56c44074\u0022\u003EHon James Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: Would he support an obligation for the Government\u2019s new urban development and housing agency, K\u0101inga Ora\u2014Homes and Communities, to give effect to emissions reductions plans, future-proofing its approach to development?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a70ef0854d9f45eab052b9332aacb466\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: So we\u2019re taking an all-of-Government approach to emissions reduction, and I understand that the Environment Committee is currently considering whether the Minister must have regard to the emissions reduction plans of the Climate Change Commission when setting the Government policy statement on urban development. I look forward to seeing the committee\u2019s conclusions on that matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262259ebe35d048478a1b4f313182b2ac\u0022\u003EHon James Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: How will he ensure that urban transport design reduces emissions whilst also promoting more livable towns and cities, especially in Auckland, where road transport contributes 35 percent of total emissions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022722c4aec1b8c478582fc1d16514eb3a2\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, whether we\u2019re talking about existing urban locations like the Unitec development or new greenfield communities like those at Drury, the challenge is to ensure that, from the get-go, those communities have great walking and cycling infrastructure and good access to public transport. It\u2019s only through integrated urban development and transport planning that we can actually reduce congestion\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fa541ddd65e453cbd421d57297d23aa\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: We need Mill Road for it. Are we going to get Mill Road?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce5710202bd04de59a3a54e9d042a3d5\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014we are going to build Mill Road, Mrs Collins\u2014and carbon emissions. This Government is committed to improving New Zealanders\u2019 ability not only to get around their towns and cities but to reduce carbon emissions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267797d03676b4eb484c65cf212fce90f\u0022\u003EHon Ron Mark\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022323c0ff015fa4205b159fd7f598d069b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Ms Collins.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240cf71c78c1c41ff92bc4cf2932a50e7\u0022\u003EHon Ron Mark\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that, on the back of the New Zealand Defence Force\u2019s report on the climate crisis, Defence is currently developing a plan which it will use in the development of its urban infrastructure on all of its bases, and likewise it will be looking as to how it may better specify new capabilities to ensure that their greenhouse gas emissions are likewise reduced?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263d72a5de5254be0900993f1192a2567\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I note that the Minister recently announced a review of all of the Defence Force\u2019s assets, its real estate and capability, and how the Defence Force is configured across the country for the future. I want to recognise the leadership that that Minister has shown in actually reorienting the Defence Force, both in terms of its external capability and its internal resources, around the future of climate change. I look forward, as urban development Minister, to working with that Minister on how we can take that whole programme of work forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228c5a6c27ee894b098a66a6884004918e\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u00226b532d2119be487e977467085a1ebb87\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b532d2119be487e977467085a1ebb87\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s statements, policies, and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u0022492af16ab3fa495d8ab9d18ef5915c09\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022492af16ab3fa495d8ab9d18ef5915c09\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS (Acting Prime Minister)\u003C/span\u003E Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f19128838ab4d0aac56cf290fcdfcf8\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Why will only two of the five parties in Parliament determine what question is asked when New Zealanders decide whether or not to legalise recreational marijuana?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f3c76fd83c34994907ce27267cc1722\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: The big thing is that we are giving New Zealanders a choice, and every New Zealander can decide for themselves. There is going to be a \u201Cyes or no\u201D question to the referendum. The Regulations Review Committee is going to be able to scrutinise the question. The question is going to be developed along with the Electoral Commission. So the fact of the matter is that Parliament does, through the Regulations Review Committee, have a part to play in the development of that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022583735a5d1614215855dccad216cb397\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: How many times has Cabinet\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf9235bde91b4835a61af14efb3aa098\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Which member was that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f70c30f442e04498bb8ee04105ac5d24\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bc847d072744b5a8d03506567233e1b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Right. I\u2019m at somewhat of a loss at the moment, given the fact that we\u2019ve had so many questions. I\u2019ll reinstate the questions that were lost earlier on the part of Ms Collins, and I think the Green members will find that they won\u2019t be thanked by their fellow Government members for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244982d54c63d4d61a1d9c82b62498c53\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: How many times has Cabinet alone determined a referendum question without it first going through the House for approval?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208e3106aeafd4fc08d60334b5cec4f61\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: They haven\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f040e2348d7456c9e65ccc24f6533c5\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, could he repeat that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b840a2c677dd48afb7b03dfb6d099659\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: They haven\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202d2e7c069234357aaa6a105cb9bf44c\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. So how is it democratic that Labour and New Zealand First get to determine the question when they represent only 55 of the 120 seats in Parliament?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200042713512442c6b01d26e7ec586a8d\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: The Regulations Review Committee, as I said, but the option has been put to the member to join the cross-party group on the cannabis referendum, but instead she sits there playing politics when she can actually be involved in the decision making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e35f6b505cf6430ea2324b72e2c16964\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. A Minister should give an answer that is consistent with the public good. There is no Standing Order that would mean a reference of a regulation to the Standing Orders Committee means that that committee would have any say whatsoever in the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d64351c53e748909a8a5e8cce7b2836\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s disagreeing with an answer. He knows that he can\u2019t do that under the guise of a point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225474843eaf0d4866a2fb54d62ceaea1a\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: My apologies, Mr Speaker. But it\u2019s accurate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022696ef8abbe57449fba40e782df095695\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member will now stand, withdraw, and apologise, and I\u2019m going to reverse the decision I just reversed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022918451bb3c82408cb540d4e29c8dc1df\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aad1b61de0b24970a99555e7ee6431cb\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Julie Anne Genter that paying $1,400 is a \u201Csmall fee\u201D for a new apprentice buying a Toyota Hiace so he or she can get to work?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0b5a2130b2a431b96cc0f8dce7702b3\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Julie Anne Genter is a very hard-working member, and I agree with most things she says. The fact of the matter is that around electric vehicles we\u2019re going to make sure that we cut our emissions. It\u2019s something that those guys over there, when they signed up to the Paris Agreement, agreed to\u2014to reduce emissions by 30 percent below 2005 levels. Instead, they had no plan, and under them, if they were still in Government, then emissions would continue to rise. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227111628af7b14f10829ca3c26ec79230\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Why should a young family in his own electorate have to pay up to $3,000 for a car that subsidises people in Remuera to buy new BMWs or Porsches?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022600b4e9346f84e6e9e592cf46fe06c3c\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: The member is trying to scaremonger around the whole situation. We know that there is an issue around climate emissions rising. We are doing something about it. That Government is sitting over there throwing stones, throwing rocks, when they had absolutely no plan to address the situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9705a2234b14736bee5254ada9426c7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, we\u2019re going to have at least till half past two with no further interjections from either Mr Jones or Mr Brownlee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296d5a2143f444c5eb4e56baf4e5e7ea7\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Does he expect the unemployment rate to go up or down next week when the ANZ Business Outlook says a net 6 percent of firms expect to cut jobs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226739d5cf3d28444689492ec079b16108\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: I expect it to stay close to the historic low levels that we\u2019ve got right now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022520b1b86c1e74be9af1c0a0dc9b083a3\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: How many nephs has he got off the couch, or are they now some of the more than 13,000 more people that are on the unemployment benefit?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d9d00e0478c478fae67981f28f8c5d8\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ve got a lot of the nephs off the couch, and the Provincial Growth Fund investment that we\u2019ve made, investing in the regions, is creating jobs and is helping to reduce the unemployment levels as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2131908ccf34f59b63b1608b6ccfe9c\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Could the Prime Minister explain the regulations review process and how it could change the question that\u2019s put to it by Cabinet?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022630ab3f896cc4886a18c7ca9029a32dc\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: The Regulations Review Committee is made up of members of that side and this side, and they have the ability to strike out the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bfa2c0c7348041caa4f36e5aed286aaf\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd83cae5081946dd92116823a526b507\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd83cae5081946dd92116823a526b507\u0022\u003EWILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002289eff8a7c333487687680c83aa8cca74\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002289eff8a7c333487687680c83aa8cca74\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E In its labour market preview released this morning, ASB said that it expects next week\u2019s June quarter labour market data to show the labour market in \u201Ca strong spot\u201D. It expects employment growth and labour force participation to lift. As we enter the tail end of the business cycle and the global economy comes under pressure from the impacts of Brexit and the US-China trade war, the New Zealand economy will not be immune. However, unemployment is set to remain around historically low levels, demonstrating the solid fundamentals of the New Zealand economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acf266574c1242deb815f5c485196b7d\u0022\u003EWillow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: What reports has he seen on the performance of New Zealand companies in this economic context?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022303c2382d91f4086ac1ac0753b1a1ef4\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve seen recent reports from Mainfreight that \u201CThe year ended March 2019 was an extraordinary year\u201D. Mainfreight experienced profits up $29 million to $141 million and global sales up $330 million to $2.95 billion in the March 2019 year. Mainfreight identified external factors to keep a watch on, including Brexit, the China-US trade war, and the slowing global trade more generally. I\u2019m pleased to see a New Zealand company thriving and recognising the important role that staff play in bringing about success against this backdrop of global uncertainty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022288e5f5377ab4fc5b1465c1ee8873913\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I never thought I\u2019d see that member praising a company run by Richard Prebble.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f72b4945b62e492fb7233ba688860256\u0022\u003EWillow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: What reports has he seen on global economic uncertainty?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b7ea8a2a3cb467483ab65039f33a62f\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Overnight, the US Federal Reserve cut interest rates by 0.25 percent, the first cut since 2008. The Fed said it had decided to cut rates in light of the implications of global developments, including weakening global growth and trade tensions. This follows US GDP data for the June quarter showing annual growth slowing to 2.1 percent from 3.1 percent in the March quarter. It is important to remember in this period of slowing global growth that the New Zealand economy continues to outperform those of countries such as Australia, Canada, the UK, the eurozone, and Japan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e483dfa44e2e412babf1e5cc6c241c65\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00223c3abcca3f0f4fa390e65da5de86354a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223c3abcca3f0f4fa390e65da5de86354a\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Has he seen yesterday\u2019s ANZ New Zealand Business Outlook Survey, and does he think the headline \u201CGrim\u201D reflects the outlook for the New Zealand economy under this Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022a6712670e92f4703ac9e4c8063c06d46\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a6712670e92f4703ac9e4c8063c06d46\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I have seen yesterday\u2019s ANZ Business Outlook survey, which said that \u201Cthe headwinds of a global slowdown\u201D were having an effect on business confidence in New Zealand. In response to the second part of the question, as any good economic historian would know, it is not dissimilar to the headlines of the same survey in 2015, under the previous Government, which had headlines such as \u201Cslippery slopes\u201D, \u201Cflagging\u201D, \u201Cheart murmur\u201D, and \u201Cbelow the belt\u201D\u2014so, no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229df7f26d4e9e45909558ad16ef15ecb7\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Grant Robertson, who said in 2015, after a temporary slip in business confidence, that it was \u201Ca vote of no confidence in the Government by the business sector\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022277f535ad0b74851af5e22da90794047\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m concerned about the member\u2019s attention deficits given that the Leader of the Opposition asked that yesterday, and as Mr Davis said in answer to that yesterday, that was about the National Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299a8b4abbc4343bc865b1a3d34773aa3\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think his Government\u2019s policies have anything to do with the confidence in the agricultural sector falling to an astonishing minus 78 at a time when prices are high and we should be doing well?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022945c1879a40c42ff95eb1cba3cc14a78\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I know those in our rural sector keep a very close eye on the global economic environment because they are primarily exporters, and what they see there is uncertainty from Brexit and the US-China trade war. We are working extremely closely with the rural community in New Zealand, and I noted their endorsement of Minister Shaw and the work that he\u2019s been doing recently. Our progressive farmers are very keen on supporting this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f508643be3214da4a3f2908fe8f1b086\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he think a net 33 percent of firms in the construction sector are intending to cut jobs when there are so many houses and roads that need to be built?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d89bd6be467e46648c370b8fdc603f1a\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I note that the member is quoting from the ANZ Business Outlook survey\u2014an opinion survey. What we\u2019ve also seen is we\u2019ve got record levels of consents in terms of the Auckland market in particular. There\u2019s a lot of activity in the residential construction area, so I think that the actual out-turn in that sector will be significantly better than that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e28c31e789ad4f0083d5577904838634\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: When will he accept that by adding cost to business, creating massive uncertainty, and demonstrating incompetence, his Government is contributing significantly to the grim mood?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb755cda1999454ba4af9fbce106bf1a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Right, I\u2019m going to get the member to ask a question in order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3a2081931584dfbbef6a4c9e9706baa\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: When will he accept that his Government is contributing significantly to the grim mood?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de209f58fa8b4f278c8a4aba3ece71b3\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The only person contributing to the grim mood in the House today is that member, and I would encourage him to listen to his former leader, Sir John Key, who said we should stop talking things down and be optimistic about the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1eb1cb9964f4ba681eaeef4194ed063\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: If the outlook for the economy is grim, is he the Reaper?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a226ab95119468cb3daaf6ae9f7cc41\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! No, no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022726cf41b7c1e4b62915894a63254775d\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee52e39f42474b0194a597338282b5cc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee52e39f42474b0194a597338282b5cc\u0022\u003EHon NIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by his statement that \u201CThere will not be any more money for principals in this round\u201D, and what does he say to the 700 board of trustees chairs who have expressed support for the principals\u2019 strike action?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022f7a71baa056f4709a37bbfeabf1783ad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f7a71baa056f4709a37bbfeabf1783ad\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I stand by my statement that the best way to resolve the issue is for the Ministry of Education and the unions to get back around the bargaining table. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s in the public interest for me to provide a blow-by-blow commentary on those discussions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225640b4d897854d3ca3776473d2f7f41f\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Is he absolutely guaranteeing that no new funding will be provided for primary principals to resolve the strike given we\u2019ve heard that before?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255f5fb65bd2c4103b020c1aceb493617\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: I think I addressed that in the answer to the primary question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002234db6f72448b4a70a43551f3d1d3a59c\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: What does he say to the Bay of Plenty principal who was reportedly left in tears when she found out her deputy would be earning thousands more than her under his offer?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc107efd387e49b6a3dbb0d16368f39e\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: I think that I\u2019d say to her that she should convey her concerns to the union that negotiated that offer on her behalf.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bfe34405ebc4030ad9301eec8c072fd\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Does he take any responsibility for the fact that areas of the Curriculum such as digital technologies are not being delivered and professional development is not being delivered as a result of the strike?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223af04ab26184460299a8f074567eb0fe\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: No, I believe the responsibility for industrial action and decisions around that sits with the principals and their union.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e41bbe24c10941a4a195e9863bad33b4\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Will he absolutely guarantee to this House that he had no role in cancelling secondary principals\u2019 collective bargaining this week, which some see as a delaying tactic to put pressure on primary principals?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225995a3f0666d44e7bde05ab8a834ceb2\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I can give that guarantee. I had no role in that decision.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e79cf311f70a42c3ac6ee3d3e07276d7\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he think it\u2019s acceptable to have delays in bargaining for secondary principals, 1,900 primary principals striking, principals earning less than teachers, aspects of the Curriculum\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad3654b74d2c4646aa0d8a53609b3b1b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s going to stop now\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022897f4b42e57342b3bb8c99da04e4513b\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014not being delivered, and under his watch\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dff014c1f68246888e043810f0cb3e6e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223994f5390b5a4630ae4b5f884f2c9bb7\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014industrial action for most\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225963e6b7b77b442faecf44af9615f17d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, no, I was going to let the member ask it again; I won\u2019t now. Does the member have a further supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272795beb6cfb41b8bf068edf54423170\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he think it\u2019s an acceptable situation to have 1,900 primary principals striking, principals earning less than teachers, aspects of the Curriculum not delivered\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208aeab5586c740f7a4e0b2e68b19bb99\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I\u2019ve ruled that question out once, and I\u2019ve done it again now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022faf7e609a3954149a3c1be2ad7d1d398\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I actually cut the question. When you go back and have a look at the footage, you will see I deliberately\u2014because you had criticised me for asking this question\u2014cut an aspect of that question. So I\u2019d like the opportunity to ask it again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222784973fbf4a45889f70350714974e05\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member can ask another question if she wants, but her question was incorrect from the first six words.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226b50de66bfaf4bb481011ab6b64696c2\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022 data-id=\u0022e9a33a1fdef240798fa6df3617a85f4f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e9a33a1fdef240798fa6df3617a85f4f\u0022\u003EMARJA LUBECK (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: What actions, if any, is the Government taking to ensure that the vocational education system meets the needs of industry, regions, and learners?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022c79c8c98fdf248e78bf20af8b572cda9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c79c8c98fdf248e78bf20af8b572cda9\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Today, we\u2019ve announced reforms to create a strong, unified, and sustainable system for vocational education and training. To pick just two aspects of that to highlight, industry will have greater control over all aspects of vocational education and training through new workforce development councils, and our 16 Institutes of Technology and Polytechnics (ITPs) will be brought together as a single nationwide campus network.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248109b2aa351441f910ec7364935febe\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: Will this mean big disruption for learners and staff at polytechnics, or trainees and their employers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b95032f575e4c30a4e2feffaaa00cab\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: One of the ways to get the biggest disruption would be to do nothing. That would result in significant closure of programmes and courses around the country, which is what we have been seeing in recent times. We\u2019ve given a great deal of thought to how to minimise disruption of change so there will not be big disruption in the short term, and any changes resulting from the reforms will be well signposted and well planned for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c01a39978424d51a448725d28ed1f77\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: So how will he ensure that successful and effective ITPs like the Southern Institute of Technology (SIT) are able to continue to innovate to meet the needs of their students and regions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022301d68278d4549ac9f0d94ba1ebce1c6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Now, I\u2019m going to ask the member to ask the question again without an assertion in it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fa8711b143649b19a64cb3e56508819\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: How will he ensure that successful and effective ITPs like SIT are able to continue to innovate to meet the needs of their students and region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285cf22352e17484e9e151d8c7dffd18c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s had two cracks. She can have one more to take the assertion out of the beginning of the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af90d62cadec4f3baa535b3d00fc5cfa\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: How will he ensure that successful and effective ITPs like SIT are able to continue to innovate to meet the needs of their students and region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba867d0168284825858cb4c243db8eb3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Right, that\u2019s three strikes; that\u2019s the end of that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022772f1d3514a24a2ea8f27f65d5641799\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Justice\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u002213a074fdcd9347478554746ad17bb0ca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002213a074fdcd9347478554746ad17bb0ca\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Justice: Is it Government policy that the topic and wording of referenda held at elections should be determined by Government by Order in Council rather than Parliament?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u0022ba0cb5f030c144279e2fbfcf4b052bea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ba0cb5f030c144279e2fbfcf4b052bea\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Acting Minister of Justice)\u003C/span\u003E: No, the Government\u2019s policy is to use the appropriate mechanism to set a referendum question. There is no set procedure for setting referendum questions. In the instance of any referenda held with the 2020 general election, the Government felt it was most appropriate to set the question through Order in Council, as there is the distinct possibility of multiple referendums. The Referendums Framework Bill provides greater clarity for the public and the Electoral Commission in 2020 by ensuring that the same framework and rules will apply to all referenda that will be held at the 2020 general election.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236e45a0180bc4bc987e02ef642bd088a\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Labour\u2019s statement in 2015, on the flag referendum, that the wording and process must go through Parliament with a full select committee process, including public submissions, as it did; if so, why has the Government changed its tune and now taken for itself the determination of what referendum will be held, and what\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022730d9a7c3d4440c7900fa275ec248350\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Look, I\u2019m going to ask the member to have another crack at that and to get the question accurate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290d580e347ba48aea6604fc71f4414a9\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Labour\u2019s statement in 2015, on the flag referendum, that the wording and process must go through Parliament with a full select committee process, including public submissions, as it did; if so, why is the Government not now doing the same?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022afcf41afc38c483b9bab950cfab4a962\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I explained to the member what the process of what referenda associated with the 2020 general election will be. But what I would like to remind the member is that there will be parliamentary scrutiny of this referendum question through Parliament\u2019s Regulations Review Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1837e4fcee74c95b7321fe4120f2627\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Government use this referendum legislation, where it alone decides on the issue and the wording, to include a referendum on abortion at election 2020, noting that the Deputy Prime Minister has indicated that is his preference for dealing with the issue?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cd5d6e5453f4bf1826bb2cfb0b011e6\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: There are no plans to include a referendum on abortion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed0e696824ab4498aeccbcc524e553b7\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that, under this legislation, the Government would have the power to have a referendum on New Zealand becoming a republic, abolishing the M\u0101ori seats, euthanasia, cannabis, abortion\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4f125bf2fd44ca2b46ae1914256c0f8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022325167cfb5e04aa8aac242a52272ebe2\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014or anything else it decides. It\u2019s an important issue, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b30895d9c0284aab9ec42348a980784f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, well, the member can have another crack. It\u2019s another question, though.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296f7a4e65d2247c9b8d536a0997c04a8\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that, under this legislation, the Government would have the power to have a referendum on New Zealand becoming a republic, get rid of the M\u0101ori seats, or anything else it likes without Parliament or the public having any say?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022896ecda6ffb841548ded6eeed7b20df7\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I think the member is getting ahead of himself. The situation that we have outlined is that there is the possibility of multiple referenda. We have, of course, publicly discussed that we are in an unusual situation that we\u2019re needing to negotiate, and there is also the possibility of a referendum on David Seymour\u2019s End of Life Choice Bill. The member can put up a whole lot of hypothetical scenarios, but, of course, any Government could legislate for any referendum; so I think the member\u2019s getting ahead of himself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7ec45a85a044750b2cee521ebcfcc44\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My question was whether he can confirm that, under this legislation we\u2019re debating, the Government could have any of those referenda. The Minister did not answer that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f0e2db004704bf9a5197701b007ff43\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And it was a hypothetical question, and it was certainly addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229648a81e392744c0b3687d8892fb2f62\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022 data-id=\u0022405bf8c4c2dc423b89640d8b9563dad1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022405bf8c4c2dc423b89640d8b9563dad1\u0022\u003EDr SHANE RETI (National\u2014Whangarei)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: Does he stand by all his statements, policies, and actions around the Reform of Vocational Education?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022093a8093b112488f9fbea1457a8cd2c7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022093a8093b112488f9fbea1457a8cd2c7\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in the context in which they were made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220470089c2f22499ba1147710cd7f6c4d\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: How many jobs will be lost from industry training organisations (ITOs) when the Government\u2019s own website Education Central states, \u201CMost of the 1,300 full-time equivalent staff in the ITOs [will] lose their jobs under the new plan\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fbc1c1b479434ac48d604a9eeb3999dc\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The website does not state that; 1,300 people work for ITOs in total. Some of them may find their jobs are affected. They might find that they\u2019re working for a different organisation, but to suggest that all of them would overnight lose their jobs is just scaremongering.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0b632ab8a0d4d5890ac3c543824de75\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: How many jobs will be lost from the polytechnic sector given the Minister told TV programme The Nation earlier this year that the reforms would cause significant job losses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf83734cf3be4066bfef7ac88f9af236\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Again, that is not what I said on The Nation earlier this year. What I said was that there will be change, that the change will be well managed, that there is not a target for job reductions\u2014in fact, we want to see this sector expand, which is not what was happening under the policies adopted by the last Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229fd822bddb7470e8234e6ba81c1d3ad\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his statement that Institutes of Technology and Polytechnics of New Zealand (ITPs) like the Southern Institute of Technology (SIT) will be able to continue to innovate to meet the needs of their students in regions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226276d1b20e664e79ada10593d69f0072\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I do stand by that statement and the commitments that we\u2019ve made, including ring-fencing the cash reserves of ITPs that have significant cash reserves so that they can be reinvested back in their local communities, which is one of the ways that we can help to ensure that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ceabd0e1869d4779aca5adc93ac02296\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: Will polytechnics like SIT, with the ring-fenced cash reserves the Minister has just talked about, have final decision making on how those reserves will be spent?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022571cfada532942838a7c88b3502a1f4f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The way the institution will operate\u2014the operating model of the institution in the longer term\u2014has not yet been determined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c5344706dc342debbe95cfd41ad7b49\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: Will polytechnics like SIT, Ara, Otago, the Nelson Marlborough Institute of Technology, and the Universal College of Learning have the final say on what they teach and how they teach it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a625382c7af4dad926845d9b4b2fc02\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The decision-making structure of the new institution has not been determined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222cd8ea14125a4bb9ae92e7dcfc3dc56a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Regional Economic Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022 data-id=\u00227509ed946f96402b9dbfc49e88af0b11\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227509ed946f96402b9dbfc49e88af0b11\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Regional Economic Development: What progress, if any, has been made on Provincial Growth Fund projects across the country?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e248c332230c4c30b349003de4acd0aa\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Why weren\u2019t you on TV this morning?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abf1a4fe64624ad3bfba981fb26a5cb9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! No one asked me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u00224265ca8f693c41ae940d3c21737a0085\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224265ca8f693c41ae940d3c21737a0085\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Regional Economic Development):\u003C/span\u003E The question requires a very focused response. Two projects in particular stick out where the New Zealand Government\u2019s approach, unlike the other side, is fiscal sprinkling on provincial seed beds in the form of the Tair\u0101whiti roading package, because we are a pro-road Government. We have dedicated $137 million, and the Rakaiatane Road upgrade shows great progress has been made by working round the clock, and to demonstrate the flexibility in the regions in relation to transport, $40 million for a capacity increase in relation to the Tranz Alpine, an overdue addition to the products and the services in the tourism sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268758b224ade4704be70f82b1c6a3420\u0022\u003EJenny Marcroft\u003C/span\u003E: What are some other projects making good progress?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5be8f2627134ab1b4e6351084a18620\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Despite the verbal spray from the other side of the House, Invercargill is going to receive overdue attention. Great strides are being made in that part of the country despite the misrepresentation about a certain polytech. A million dollars has been allocated for inner-city development and, subject to quality leadership and an engagement between the Government\u2019s imagination and the ambition of the South, we\u2019ll see more progress there. In the Tair\u0101whiti, I say no more than the single young woman on the forestry course saying it has been a life changer for her and her people, training on the ground, dedicated to transforming the lives of those communities blighted by the previous nine years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e58c89634240499c8ea5836ec60e50f2\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. You\u2019ve been quite firm today in preventing questions being asked that had any degree of colour to them and, similarly, asking questions that had any degree of list to them. The answer that was just given by Mr Jones had not only colourful comment in it but also potentially derogatory comment. Also, he then went on to give a very long list. Now, given that he\u2019s being asked the question by one of his own people, it\u2019s surprising he has to do that, but it would be pleasing for us if there could be some consistency in the rulings on questions and answers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b4f75ff04c6495c93bc7bc7c4ceafe6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the member for his request.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fba65c12c5e6496e8650f97d12178807\u0022\u003EJenny Marcroft\u003C/span\u003E: What feedback has he heard from the regions about this good progress?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022255df16442244f42971a8eda9cfd155a\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: A leading identity from the New Zealand renaissance economic community, Mr Mike Williams, has stated on behalf of the Howard League that, if you live in a small rural community and you have family members coming out of the h\u012Bnaki, giving them a licence\u2014something that the last regime refused to provide the money for to this organisation\u2014is a life changer. Mr Meng Foon, a long-term advocate for that part of New Zealand otherwise known as Tai R\u0101whiti, whose voice became hoarse as he sought to attract attention from the last regime, now has had his prayers answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7976f00df5844c8afe505516fd51678\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, that\u2019s enough, thanks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e1d05f24f2bf44b681ab1452d5e16d35\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Social Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00229f084e5d52404184aa33271a53d96b38\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f084e5d52404184aa33271a53d96b38\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (National\u2014Taup\u014D)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: When will she be announcing which 26 or 27 of the 42 Welfare Expert Advisory Group recommendations she has commissioned work on, and are these in addition to the three announcements on 3 May 2019?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227731966af6fa4ac7a208bbca24d69f9f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have been warned this is a longer-than-normal answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u0022871476a787a94227aca887b664391c36\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022871476a787a94227aca887b664391c36\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E On 8 May, Minister Henare responded to a similar question, citing a then up-to-date list of the recommendations from the Welfare Expert Advisory Group where work was already under way and other recommendations for which work had been commissioned. Since that announcement in the House, the member will be happy to know that further work is now under way to help address recommendations six, 18, 21, and 29, and work has been commissioned on a further five recommendations. These are one, two, four, 24, and 31. This brings the total number of recommendations where work is under way to 19, including announcements made on 3 May, and recommendations where work has been commissioned to 10. We will continue to commission work and consider all of the other recommendations as we develop our three- to five-year plan, that will sensibly address recommendations in the report through a systematic overhaul of the welfare system that is effective and enduring and that ensures those who need to access Ministry of Social Development (MSD) support are actually better off.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db182541b32c40b4be03c60a1ef4296b\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Government considering changing the principles of the Social Security Act, which include the principle that \u201Cwork in paid employment offers the best opportunity for people to achieve social and economic well-being\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221bee68eaa85949048f3ca99182b52cb5\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: The overall phase two of the plan is something that the member will have to wait for. I\u2019ve already announced in the House that that will be something that we will discuss more fulsomely and publicly later on in the year, but, with regards to the principles and the way in which they could potentially guide our system better than what we\u2019ve had in the past, I think all of us should be open to considering those things. On this side of the House, we\u2019re very focused on making sure that those that need financial hardship support get it but that also they get support to go into meaningful and sustainable employment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0bb923c15e84e7cbed5cd5dbc33f7a3\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the Government decide to index benefits to wages rather than the Consumers Price Index (CPI)?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239cb768c8adf4bfeb615a7cb040dc7d8\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s a very good question. The answer to that question is that, clearly, wages have increased at a greater rate than what they have to CPI. So this is an indication of a fairer welfare system that this Government is committed to. We don\u2019t want to see people thrown into further hardship. We don\u2019t want New Zealanders who access the welfare system to be left further behind. It was a very important systematic change and something that I and this side of the House are very proud of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ec001ab96b64b93b35d0a6f1177b104\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: If indexing benefits to wages means an extra $11 per week per family on average by 1 April 2023, how much would CPI have provided in comparison?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224d561cf04b24d30b52097176b434e9b\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: It would\u2019ve provided less, but I don\u2019t have that actual figure in the House, and if she wants to put it in writing I\u2019d be more than happy to respond to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da3f7ac0149248c88956aade681465f5\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: What work, if any, is under way to address recommendations related to M\u0101ori and the welfare system?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217d1d55dedd14733875be1ec93879181\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: Around a quarter of MSD staff and over one-third of MSD clients are M\u0101ori. Getting things right with and for M\u0101ori is important to the whole of the Ministry of Social Development, so we rolled out Te Pae Tata, MSD\u2019s M\u0101ori strategy and action plan. It focuses on earning the respect and trust of M\u0101ori, forming genuine partnerships with M\u0101ori, and supporting M\u0101ori aspirations. M\u0101ori reference groups have been actively engaged in the roll-out of our front-of-house design changes, and we continue working on things like engagement plans for iwi, new models of case management, and reviewing the procurement of services to better meet the needs of M\u0101ori. This is not a tick-box exercise for us; this is about systematic change and genuine ongoing engagement, and we are committed to doing the work and getting it right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002289c2fcb78fb9412cbae92890d015ff89\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: What is CPI?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213fad3fa9d3a4973960d13d0456fb8d9\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: Consumer\u2014[Interruption] Consumers Price Index, thank you very much, member. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3593aa2ef984cfaab0a23fadc747ffb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah\u2014no, we will keep going, but I\u2019m just contemplating the quality of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fb8ca4fc8db747a6a666a1a068a0d934\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00224f1a941728854ce2a3504d0d7b47e541\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f1a941728854ce2a3504d0d7b47e541\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Transport: Does she stand by all her statements, policies, and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022eea9c332004a46a9a3a87b00a529b0b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eea9c332004a46a9a3a87b00a529b0b9\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Transport)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Associate Minister of Transport: Yes, in their original context.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e53f3bd68264e709e01a20a3c1089e0\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Has she or her staff talked to the Minister of Transport, Phil Twyford, or his staff about the release of her 26 March 2019 letter to him?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4e7cb9af7bd43dc8979b7e356dc03f4\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Associate Minister, yes. We talk about almost everything in relation to the transport portfolio, including requests for correspondence that passed between us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bb7242dbd13403aab78e33407c1f9b6\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Does she think her letter to Phil Twyford of 26 March 2019 had any influence on the final Let\u2019s Get Wellington Moving package agreed by Cabinet; if so, what was that influence?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b157f41e9a7b4d1786c44de1d3428220\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Associate Minister, the way that we run the transport portfolio is to have frank and robust exchanges of views on all these things. I\u2019ll say this about the Minister. He doesn\u2019t always agree with the views of the Green Party, he often doesn\u2019t agree with his own officials, but he does make sure we have a frank exchange of views to inform the best possible decision-making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db1911132f1749f7ab836e23950d4477\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. That was a very specifically worded question about influence on the final package that went to Cabinet. There was a lot of material there about robust conversations, but not a lot about whether or not the Associate Minister considered that her letter had any influence on the Minister and the final Cabinet consideration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239515b75662940d7a25b38462aff33aa\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, I can see what the member\u2019s getting at, but I think the question was addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249a172c37603403a801db4b4e58713f2\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Does her 26 March 2019 letter to Minister Twyford implicitly or explicitly refer to her considering her position as a Minister if the project sequencing in the draft Cabinet paper went ahead?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022620207a9891b4a4d9a3727fc284b8809\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Associate Minister, no, not in any way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022165f9a12cbf54886a7fc858266b7804b\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: What is her response to Daran Ponter, deputy chair of the Wellington Regional Council Sustainable Transport Committee, who said this morning, \u201CLet\u2019s see what it is she had pushed for and the direction that she has changed, because the things that have arrived on Wellingtonians\u2019 plate in relation to Let\u2019s Get Welly Moving are certainly not the things that they identified as projects they wanted when it went into the parliamentary process.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b19811cf5aaa48679af01ba0cc22598f\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf the Associate Minister, no, I disagree with Daran Ponter. I think he\u2019s suffering from election fever. I agree with the comments of Wellington City Mayor\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cd9f64bffa847e3bbe3381af26acefc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I think there\u2019s two points that I want to make: first, to remind the Minister answering the question that he is answering it on behalf of another Minister and should be using her voice as he does that, and the second point is the Minister should be careful about reflections on persons outside the House who cannot answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022edff848c03d647b39efac057c2a2c6ba\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Associate Minister, I don\u2019t agree with councillor Daran Ponter, but I do agree with Mayor Justin Lester, who said that Wellingtonians wanted to get on with the project, and that\u2019s what they\u2019re doing. In response to the second part of the member\u2019s question, the overwhelming tenor of the public responses to the public engagement carried out for Let\u2019s Get Wellington Moving was that the people of Wellington wanted to see a project that delivered walking and cycling, rapid transit, public transport. We\u2019ve landed a $6.4 billion transport investment that will unlock the growth potential of this city\u2014something that that party failed to do for nine years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221cb62729a5d246658da42f304dbf4406\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: When she quoted the Chief Ombudsman\u2019s comments about political consultation yesterday as a rationale for not releasing her letter to Minister Twyford, was she implying she wrote that letter not as an Associate Minister of Transport but merely as a Green Party MP? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229ffbee4de6240ee9cb744720509bf65\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, no. It\u2019s the convention of Government that letters between Ministers and, indeed, letters between governing parties are not released. We don\u2019t intend to change that convention.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022930f4434b47e47be84aa45c0e71fb77f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m prepared to let the member have another question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022727eb551eed74b46918248b8e52de538\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is she seriously saying to the House that letters between Ministers about matters such as a $6.4 billion, 20-year plus transport project for Wellington are not, by convention, released for public comment and consideration? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db80e2a847374ab2aa20050144a002a0\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, what I was saying when I cited the Chief Ombudsman\u2019s recent opinion on political consultation is that political consultation is vital to good governance and good decision-making, and that\u2019s even more the case in the MMP era. That\u2019s what the Ombudsman said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e916566c54e74049b7c33911ac1b1ca6\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Can I have another one, Mr Speaker? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223168afb7ddfa4591a0654e4006d47fab\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, you\u2019re allowed another one but you\u2019ve probably\u2014no. I\u2019ve given you one extra. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002201cd1513d2b44b5aa3c8a4ab402a0be7\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022 data-id=\u00226111241deca9406999fb2d04300964c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226111241deca9406999fb2d04300964c1\u0022\u003EANGIE WARREN-CLARK (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: What progress, if any, is the Government making on ensuring New Zealanders have safe drinking water?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u002219dd24b98ed345bc8bb59c4f80c9cb8c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002219dd24b98ed345bc8bb59c4f80c9cb8c\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E All New Zealanders have the right to expect their tap water to be safe to drink. We know from the experience in Havelock North in 2016, where 5,000 people got sick, that, unfortunately, this has not always been the case. Yesterday, the local government Minister and I were pleased to announce approval for a dedicated water regulator to ensure we can have confidence in the safety of our drinking water. This was one of the key recommendations of the Havelock North Drinking Water Inquiry Stage 2 report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2ad33ecae5b487384479d0a7ada87f8\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: How will a dedicated water regulator prevent outbreaks of water-borne disease, like the Havelock North outbreak, from happening again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b16c5bc490234a9ba314f1502d2b2b70\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: For too long, drinking-water quality and safety has been covered by a number of pieces of legislation, and responsibilities have been split between a number of agencies. As a result, oversight has been fractured and ineffective. The new regulator will ensure coherent oversight of the entire drinking-water supply system. They will also ensure compliance with standards through monitoring and enforcement. Furthermore, they will provide leadership to the sector; help build capability; provide information, advice, and education; and report on the performance of the sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237b446a087fe4d1d8db6363eb0dade77\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: What powers will the new water regulator have?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022265b0d4e79fa4104aec85ff58ac27105\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: The new water regulator will have the final say on drinking water. Its powers will be set out in the new water services bill the Government intends introducing this year. This legislation will clearly set out all of the obligations to suppliers to provide safe drinking water to their communities. It\u2019ll strengthen the compliance, monitoring, and enforcement of drinking-water regulations. This is a critical milestone for drinking-water safety in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f8d4aa6a60114e3f87d39d1d0509f510\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022438d5b4970a1458fbca42e788abf89ad\u0022\u003EVocational Education\u2014Reform\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00229454d0dd0c8c49768bc25e4230d0d20b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229454d0dd0c8c49768bc25e4230d0d20b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have received a letter from Dr Shane Reti seeking to debate under Standing Order 389 the Government\u2019s announcement today of its plan to reform vocational education. It is a particular case of recent occurrence. It involves ministerial responsibility. The test for whether a particular matter requires the immediate attention of the House is a high one. One relevant consideration is whether the matter proposed to be discussed must come before the House soon in the form of legislation\u2014Speakers\u2019 ruling 196/2. The Minister has indicated in today\u2019s announcement, actually, the links that the member provided to me, that legislation to give the effect to the reforms will be introduced this month. I am not convinced that the application meets the test for urgency; therefore the application is declined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c69d2c33a1a64d1a899fdb4c72b66ed8\u0022\u003EVoting\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225888605788da464089efcbb82e9f66d2\u0022\u003ECorrection\u2014End of Life Choice Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022153b0f2aae5a463ba30cc4fbe27faf6d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022153b0f2aae5a463ba30cc4fbe27faf6d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Last night, when the committee of the whole House was considering the End of Life Choice Bill, the result of the vote on Supplementary Order Paper 272 was incorrectly recorded as Ayes 32, Noes 87. The correct result is Ayes 31, Noes 87. The record will be corrected accordingly. I have indicated, previously, that care will be taken to try and avoid the duplication of votes, but I do want to seriously remind members that when they grant a proxy, they should ensure the proxy holder knows if they\u2019re there, especially if they intend to change their mind on the way that they\u2019re voting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220380ed49d4454b1a8c3696a255493c3f\u0022\u003EPoints of Order\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002296cd46728081471e8bb63cf3d608523e\u0022\u003ETabling of Documents\u2014Chief Ombudsman\u2019s Ruling on Official Information Act\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00226b6f68128a77477c810bb259b0aee8b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b6f68128a77477c810bb259b0aee8b6\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek your guidance and help, Mr Speaker. Yesterday, the Associate Minister of Transport Julie Anne Genter referred to the Chief Ombudsman\u2019s ruling in relation to political consultation being grounds for withholding information under the Official Information Act. It\u2019s also been referred to by the Minister of Transport, answering on her behalf this afternoon. In the interim period, I sought from the Parliamentary Library a copy of that ruling. The library\u2019s been unable to find a public copy of that ruling. We can\u2019t have access to it. Given what\u2019s happened in the last couple of days, it is extremely important that we have access to that. I was just wondering whether or not the Government could table that advice, so that we can all have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002220990bf3bef34b50afec00cd9d6b30b5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002220990bf3bef34b50afec00cd9d6b30b5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, whether or not the Government tables the advice is a matter for the Government. I must say that I found one of the answers today surprising. As a result of that, I will be consulting with the Chief Ombudsman as to rulings that he has made in the area. If I have anything to report, I will report. But I think that, as a matter of general principle, other members can approach the Ombudsman not for a specific ruling on a specific matter\u2014but I know that I had, as an Opposition member, regularly received copies of letters between Ministers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022504070cc86484123a4463bcce79c8701\u0022\u003EAmended Answers to Oral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002261b2f2685e2b4ef9b5c7fd7d0d5a9dca\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022d0c824aa179e4f4cb49fecb7ef0a2a1e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d0c824aa179e4f4cb49fecb7ef0a2a1e\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Transport)\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to clarify or correct the answer that I gave that you referred to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2099d1f53704b80ac8d5b5bf701c65a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member seeks leave to correct an answer that he made earlier. Is there any objection to that? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224cd451850754ee0ade645c621da901e\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: So the principle that I was trying to articulate was reflected in the Chief Ombudsman\u2019s recent opinion. In relation to political consultation between parties, I agree that it is not the political convention that correspondence between Ministers is never released, but, when it\u2019s an inter-party consultation between Ministers, then the convention set out by the Chief Ombudsman applies. If I may read the paragraph from the Chief Ombudsman\u2019s advice, he says, \u201CThere is a strong interest in maintaining the Government\u2019s ability to undertake effective and efficient political consultation with political parties, and to receive free and frank opinions from the political parties that have been consulted. This interest is heightened in the MMP environment, where the relationships and agreements between parties are complex. It is vital, in this environment, that these parties are able to conduct free and frank discussions in a relationship of trust and confidence, and in a timely manner.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022add42da97b564750a5d0ecc9c50bdaea\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member was quoting from a document then? Was the member quoting from the letter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af34f5162a254a609fc70d4166d5f414\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s an excerpt from a letter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u00225e0f20f5a3904a919c440eb9c4fcf2d7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225e0f20f5a3904a919c440eb9c4fcf2d7\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, I seek your guidance. In the questions that have been answered in the House today, the Minister answered those in the capacity as the Associate Minister of Transport. The Minister is now referring to the role of being a Green Party member or the role of being a Green Party representative. It\u2019s my understanding that when questions are answered by Ministers in this House they are answered in their capacity as Ministers, and I question the relevance of this ruling to answers in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002241bfa5a30ab0436f8b1b6d10b21b79c3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002241bfa5a30ab0436f8b1b6d10b21b79c3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, and I will go back because what may be the case is that I should not have accepted the original question yesterday. If that is the case\u2014if in fact it was a question about a letter that was not written as a Minister, then it is my responsibility for asking it. But that is something that we will not be able to sort out now, and it is something that I will go back and look at, because, quite clearly, all members have the ability to write other than in their ministerial capacity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EPeople clearly, on this side of the House, have spokespersonship responsibilities. It can get complicated with Ministers who act both as spokespeople for their parties and as Ministers, and often there are the same roles, the same areas that are being covered. It behoves members who do have those complicated responsibilities to make it very clear in correspondence that they write the capacity in which they are writing. Now, in this particular case, I had worked on the assumption\u2014the question could have originally been knocked out if there was a suggestion that it was a Green Party letter as opposed to a letter written as a Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022a8665237b09b41b0b62fed37e8de0678\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a8665237b09b41b0b62fed37e8de0678\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (National\u2014Ilam):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I think your initial assessment of this is probably going to be proved correct because, in the end, if it were a Green Party letter to a Labour Party spokesman on the same area, it would not be subject to the Official Information Act (OIA). It was released under the OIA because those who\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e15a19e59db4e529588fcae29569afd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. I don\u2019t think it was released. I think that\u2019s the whole point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248e9516152a7444abf9c52b39da4bb32\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I meant \u201Creferred to\u201D in the OIA and referred to again in the House by Ms Genter. I would have thought it would have been easy for Ms Genter to make the statement at the time that it was a non-ministerial communication. That has not been done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022dcce3e2aa411446d8df588eeb3dba23c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dcce3e2aa411446d8df588eeb3dba23c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And, as I indicated, I will have a bit more of a look at this question, and, if there is anything further to report, I will.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022f966cb4adc7f4967939e82f4941fafe2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f966cb4adc7f4967939e82f4941fafe2\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It is important that we note that the Official Information Act does not only cover written documentation. Therefore, the House and members have to accept the views of those who are undertaking an exchange\u2014whether it\u2019s a written one or a verbal one\u2014about the capacity in which they were undertaking it. If I have a conversation with Tracey Martin, for example, sometimes it will be in our ministerial capacity around education and sometimes it will be in a party-to-party nature about an education matter. I don\u2019t say to Tracey Martin when I ring her up, \u201CI\u2019m ringing you now in my capacity as the Labour Party spokesperson for education.\u201D, but I could still be questioned on the interactions that I have, and, if I say that I was having a particular conversation in my capacity as the Labour Party spokesperson and Tracey Martin was responding in her capacity as the New Zealand First spokesperson, we have to be taken at our word for that. Otherwise the conventions that this House operates under are going to start to crumble.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e88719eca1064bb6aba2a855e4dc72dc\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac4c5d45e64f44f6b040349e9acfdd88\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002231ef1c4b415f4819acf3882d962d9a0d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002231ef1c4b415f4819acf3882d962d9a0d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m going to take the Hon Paula Bennett as the last contribution on this, because, if people do have extra points that they want to make, then they can send me a note.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u002203cd610509e34e3b9c722e93daa94989\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203cd610509e34e3b9c722e93daa94989\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Further to the point of order, I also ask you to consider the answers in the House today from the Minister acting, in that there was a very specific question from Chris Bishop saying in what capacity did she write the letter and it was very clear that it was in the capacity as the Associate Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002233d8394a858a49488f3ea2b31cf01cf8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002233d8394a858a49488f3ea2b31cf01cf8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s certainly an impression that I got, but I think it was just slightly confused towards the end.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aad9130ffca74f73b8224b98c718cb23\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to a new point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224bf318362219408cb0d22d275eaf467b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: On a different matter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022efe01ef76e754d289612a8a30dd401f3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022efe01ef76e754d289612a8a30dd401f3\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E On a different matter. This relates to the document that the Minister quoted from and I\u2019m asking that that document be tabled as an official document.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022f961ecdf1a5a401bb24bb23b512d4808\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f961ecdf1a5a401bb24bb23b512d4808\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! And I\u2019m suggesting that the member listen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002248233f86dbfb4a0b82898cb610e505c2\u0022\u003ETe Pire Haeata ki Parihaka / Parihaka Reconciliation Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ef0b7da3ad6041edb237b045d28e3fa4\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u00228e6e12cbc1ce49ddbc0b3082e903155a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228e6e12cbc1ce49ddbc0b3082e903155a\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister for M\u0101ori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That Te Pire Haeata ki Parihaka / Parihaka Reconciliation Bill be now read a second time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EE te Taranaki maunga, nau mai haere mai, whakatau mai. Kua k\u014Drero, kua whakatau t\u0101tou ki waho r\u0101, kua roa koutou e tatari ana m\u014D ng\u0101 p\u0101tai heahea o t\u0113r\u0101 taha ki a m\u0101tou kia haere me ng\u0101, me ng\u0101 whakautu matatau o m\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou kia haere, engari, kua tae t\u0101tou ki te kaupapa matua o t\u0113nei ahiahi, n\u0101 reira, nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E[To the mountain of Taranaki, welcome, welcome, welcome. We have spoken, we have decided outside, you have been waiting a long time to go because of the frivolous questions of the opposition to us, and our brilliant responses to them; however, we have now arrived at the most important matter of this afternoon, therefore, welcome, welcome, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI want to extend a warm welcome to the members of the Parihaka community who have come back to Parliament for the second reading of this bill today. I also acknowledge the many generations of the Parihaka community who have passed on before we\u2019ve been able to reach this point, and those who could not be here today. This bill is the work of many and so I acknowledge the tireless efforts of the Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust and all the agencies who have contributed to this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge the members of Kawe Tutaki, the group set up to understand the aspirations of the Parihaka community and provide direction to the Crown. In 2015, Dame Tariana Turia, the Rt Hon Jim Bolger, the Hon Mahara Okeroa, Amokura Panoho, and Ruakere Hond made bold recommendations to the Crown, and, alongside the Parihaka community, they were a catalyst for reconciliation. Lastly, as I mentioned during the first reading in May last year, today would not have been possible without the support and commitment of previous Minister for M\u0101ori Development, the Hon Te Ururoa Flavell, and the previous Attorney-General, the Hon Christopher Finlayson. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThis bill gives effect to Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo, the deed of reconciliation, signed on 9 June 2017. Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo formally recorded the arrangements made by Parihaka and the Crown to reconcile a troubled historical relationship. It seeks to improve understanding of the history of Parihaka, provide support for the future development of the Parihaka community, and promote their legacy. Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo also enshrines the commitment of the Crown and Parihaka to build a new relationship based on trust, on partnership, and cooperation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe bill, which is in both Te Reo M\u0101ori and English, contains the legacy statement, drafted by members of the Parihaka community, and the Crown apology. The bill is symbolic of a renewed dialogue that is long overdue. Through the legacy statement, the community is telling the story of Parihaka in their own voice. The legacy statement summarises the origins of the Parihaka community and their principles, describes their history, and sets out their aspirations for the future. Through its apology, the Crown is speaking not just to the Parihaka community of today but, importantly, to their t\u016Bpuna\u2014those who have passed. The Crown formally acknowledges not only its utter failure to respect the right of the Parihaka community to develop and be sustained on their own terms but, critically, it acknowledges the Crown\u2019s failure to respect the basic human rights of the Parihaka community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EFacing a community that refused to accept the Crown\u2019s confiscation of their traditional lands, a community\u2014or should I say hapori\u2014who were committed to asserting their rights to that land through peaceful means, the Crown responded with extreme measures. To quote from the apology, \u201CThe Crown responded to peace with tyranny, to unity with division, and to autonomy with oppression.\u201D The Crown sought to discredit the community\u2019s leaders by labelling them fanatics and by twisting their messages of peace\u2014ko te rongomau\u2014into threats. The Crown arrested hundreds of protesters and passed laws that enabled Parihaka wh\u0101nau to be held as political prisoners, to be deprived of their right to trial. Military force was used to invade and destroy the Parihaka community. The Crown arrested and exiled Parihaka leaders and then passed further laws to prevent people from returning to their ruined homes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe Crown\u2019s apology expresses its deepest regret for these actions, acknowledges the discipline and courage of the men, women, and children of Parihaka, and records a commitment to work with Parihaka to fulfil the vision of peaceful coexistence that the community represented and continues to represent today. As such, the legacy statement and the Crown\u2019s apology serve as markers both of a shared past and of a shared future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe bill was referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee on 22 March 2018. Thirty-nine submissions were received from interested groups and individuals, and the committee heard 23 submissions at Parihaka and in Wellington in May 2018. As a result, some amendments were made to the bill which I want to discuss briefly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EOne key change was to explain the term \u201Chaeata\u201D in Te Reo M\u0101ori title of the bill. The term \u201Chaeata\u201D literally means \u201Cdawn\u201D, but it is used in this context to indicate a new beginning. This is an important signal to the intent of the bill and its role in the reconciliation process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EOther changes strengthen the link between the bill and Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo and use stronger wording to better reflect the impacts that the historical Acts of Parliament, referred to earlier, had on the Parihaka community. Two submissions sought amendments to protect the names Parihaka, Tohu K\u0101kahi, and Te Whiti \u014D Rongomai. I think it\u2019s really important to note that the grandson of Te Whiti \u014D Rongomai is here and he also bears the name Te Whiti \u014D Rongomai\u2014ng\u0101 mihi atu ki a koe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EAs well as the history of Parihaka and the legacy statement against unregulated use, protection has been an important issue for the Parihaka community and the delay in progressing this bill has allowed us to work through this thoroughly. There is significant pressure on the Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust and the wider community when they receive requests from people who want to use the name Parihaka, the name of their t\u016Bpuna, or who want to use the story of Parihaka. The trust feels a deep sense of duty and responsibility to protect and uphold the mana of their k\u0101inga, their hapori, of their t\u016Bpuna, and of their legacy, all of which continues to be upheld by the wider community to this day. Too often, people will use the name Parihaka or the name of these t\u016Bpuna without talking to the Parihaka community or fully understanding what the names and the legacy truly mean. The subsequent use of these names is often not reflective of the history and the legacy, or it is at odds with the trust\u2019s duty of protection. I want to thank the chair and the members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, who showed great patience and allowed sufficient time to address these important issues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EThe bill has been amended to include a clause to protect the name Parihaka against commercial exploitation without the authorisation of the Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust. This does not prevent the use of the name Parihaka for genuine creative or educational uses, but it certainly will help prevent people using it for commercial purposes without seeking the approval and the guidance of the Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust first. This is the first time in Aotearoa that a geographic place name has been given such protection. This is not a silver bullet, but in the current context and until issues regarding the protection of m\u0101tauranga and taonga M\u0101ori are addressed more broadly, this is a start. The very existence of this clause will reinforce the very special relationship that the community has with the place Parihaka. Although it is targeted at commercial exploitation, I expect that more generally it will make people question why they want to be associated with Parihaka before they decide to use the name Parihaka. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI want to thank the Parihaka community for their patience and commitment throughout the process, even if it meant delaying the second reading of the bill by almost a year. While the delay has been regrettable, I am pleased with the result. We need to take the time to get this right. I\u2019m satisfied with the changes to the bill, as they provide further clarity to what we want to achieve through the reconciliation process. On the one hand, we know that together we must acknowledge the historical events which for too long have burdened the people of Parihaka with a legacy of grievance and deprivation and have burdened the Crown with a legacy of shame. On the other hand, together we face te haeata, the dawn of a new relationship between Parihaka and the Crown, and our commitment to work together into the future through the leaders forum, the relationship agreement, and the Parihaka fund. The Parihaka community is ready to take on this new challenge of preserving the legacy of peace and self-determination bestowed upon them by Tohu and Te Whiti. This bill demonstrates the Crown\u2019s commitment to do the same.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll close with the wisdom of Te Whiti \u014D Rongomai, whose words of humility and unity are still with us today: \u201CHe h\u014Dnore, he kororia ki Te Atua i runga rawa, he maung\u0101rongo ki te whenua, he whakaaro pai ki ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata katoa [Honour and glory to the God above, peace to the land, and good thoughts to all men].\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u00222a4a1976a1da4459a2b9cc4462da8a87\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a4a1976a1da4459a2b9cc4462da8a87\u0022\u003EJO HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. E te wh\u0101nau o Parihaka, nau mai, haere mai ki Te Wharenui i t\u0113nei r\u0101. He r\u0101 whakahirahira. He r\u0101 whakamaumahara i ng\u0101 w\u0101 o mua. He mamae taku ng\u0101kau ki ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna o Parihaka engari, engari, ka nui te hari, ka nui te koa ki te kitea ng\u0101 kanohi o Parihaka i t\u0113nei r\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. The family of Parihaka, welcome, welcome to this House on this day. It is an important day. It is a day to remember the old days. My heart aches for the ancestors of Parihaka, but I am also very happy. I am joyful at seeing the faces of Parihaka today. Greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the work of Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo. I want to acknowledge the wh\u0101nau of Parihaka. I want to acknowledge the trust, the Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust, for the work, for the patience of getting to this place today. I, like the Minister, also want to acknowledge the Hon Te Ururoa Flavell and the Hon Chris Finlayson for the work that they did in getting this deed of reconciliation document, getting the signatories, and moving the work so that it could move towards the parliamentary process. I want to acknowledge the Hon Kelvin Davis, who continues with this work and will carry it through to its final reading. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EAs a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, I was privileged to be part of the r\u014Dp\u016B that went to listen to the submissions at Parihaka. It is always, always a privilege to sit in the k\u0101inga of the wh\u0101nau, of the iwi, of the hap\u016B of Parihaka to hear their stories, and I am pleased now to see and witness and be part of the second reading of Te Pire Haeata ki Parihaka, or Parihaka Reconciliation Bill. I want to make mention of the work in the select committee, ably chaired by Rino Tirikatene, of protecting the Parihaka name, as the Minister eloquently put it\u2014the Parihaka name, Tohu, and Te Whiti. I too want to acknowledge Te Whiti \u014D Rongomai\u2019s grandson sitting in the gallery today. It is truly an honour and a privilege to have you here. Once this bill reaches its final conclusion, the name of Parihaka will be protected, as it should have been in the past; as it will be in the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI want to talk a little bit about the history of Parihaka, the tikanga of the legacy of hope given down by Tohu K\u0101kahi and Te Whiti \u014D Rongomai, which gave rise to the Parihaka movement\u2014the legacy of hope that had five key areas, unlike the legacy statement in this bill that has nine phases. I want to say this, because in many of the claims that we have here in the House of many of the iwi, it is this legacy of hope that actually spells out a lot of the basis for which M\u0101ori iwi, wh\u0101nau, and hap\u016B actually could have come through on their journey. So the legacy of hope starts with equality, where everybody in Parihaka was equal. There were none above the others. Those who thought they were kings or queens would muck in and wash the dishes just like everybody else. That was the first legacy. The second one was collectivity, and it\u2019s about having everybody all together as one. Us on this side of the House know the importance of that, where it is one purpose and one purpose only. For Parihaka, it was about Parihaka. The identity: now, in Parihaka there were many people that came from many backgrounds\u2014many whakapapas were staying in Parihaka\u2014but Parihaka subsumed all of those identities and it became one, one of Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe fourth legacy of hope was goodwill, and this is demonstrated whenever iwi from Taranaki extend from Parihaka and come in for p\u014Dwhiri. It is always the hongi first\u2014always the hongi first. Finally, the fifth legacy of hope was self-sufficiency, and it is a lesson that we should all learn, self-sufficiency\u2014to never rely on the outside world, to always have the resources available inside your world. These were the five legacy statements of hope that gave rise to the Parihaka movement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe history of Parihaka is a sobering one. I\u2019m only going to start from 1860, because so much happened prior to that, but these were some of the key areas. In the 1860s, the goodwill of Te Whiti and his people saving people from off a wrecked boat on the coast, taking them in and looking after them, seemed to go by the by as, by 1863, the Suppression of Rebellion Act and the New Zealand Settlement Act came into power. These were really significant pieces of legislation that started the downturn of M\u0101ori and the kaha of M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EIn 1879, Te Whiti started non-violent resistance to Government surveying. He said \u201CGo, put your hands to the plough. Look not back. If any come with guns and swords, be not afraid. If they [smile] you [smile] not in return. If they rend you, [do not be] discouraged. Another will take up the good work.\u201D A lot of the resistance in Parihaka was based around the ploughing of that land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe 1881 era of invasion and exile was horrendous\u2014absolutely horrendous. By 5 November, invasion had started in Parihaka\u20141,500 volunteers, armed constabulary, entered Parihaka. Within two weeks, all the housing was gone. Within two months, all the crops were gone. Men were taken and put into jail. The story of that journey of those people, of those men, of those wh\u0101nau of Parihaka was a blight on our history, and so many times, when I see and hear this, it does bring tears to my heart. The women and girls were raped by the colonial soldiers, by the volunteers. It was disgusting and it should never ever be forgotten.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EBy 1883, Te Whiti was returned to Parihaka. He reinstated his monthly meetings on the 18th of each month, and they continue today, a protest of confiscation of M\u0101ori land. Yet by 1886, he and T\u012Btokowaru were re-arrested. By 1888, before his release, Te Whiti\u2019s wife passed, Hikurangi, and yet the jailers could not see in front of them to let him go and be with his wife at her tangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EIn 1898, the Parihaka men that had been jailed were returned, to a big p\u014Dwhiri. So in 1907, when Te Whiti and Tohu passed away, they left behind a Parihaka that was stronger, that would be able to endure the many more hardships they would face. Yet their resolve to survive and rebuild Parihaka had been a testament to the legacy of their founders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EOn 9 June 2017, I stood with a r\u014Dp\u016B at the gateway of Parihaka as we were received by the wh\u0101nau for the signing of the deed of reconciliation. It was a humbling experience.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EEach phase of the legacy statements recounts everything that I have said today, and I think that as I close my speech, I look at all the other colonial encounters over history that have happened, and the indigenous peoples of each of those respective countries have been the ones who have paid the price\u2014Australia, South Africa, Ireland, Scotland, India, just to name a few. They all paid a price.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EIn closing, I just want to utter some words of Te Whiti o Rongomai as a reminder to us all. He said \u201CNo good thing has ever been got by force. There is no good reason why force should continue to have power over us.\u201D That is a statement that I leave in this House today. I commend the bill to the House. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5d78065a06847219141df8b60c44096\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5d78065a06847219141df8b60c44096\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Hau\u0101uru):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. Otir\u0101, ko Taranaki te maunga. Ko Waitotoroa te awa. Ko Parihaka te k\u0101inga. Ko Tohu K\u0101kahi r\u0101ua ko Te Whiti-o-Rongomai ng\u0101 manu e rua. N\u014D reira, he kororia ki Te Atua, he maung\u0101rongo ki te whenua, he whakaaro pai ki ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata katoa. Tihei mauri ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EE tika ana kia tuku mihi atu ki te wh\u0101nau kua tae mai ki Te Whare Paremata i t\u0113nei r\u0101, n\u014D reira, koutou m\u0101 ka piri taku mihi ki ng\u0101 mihi kua mihia k\u0113 i t\u0113nei r\u0101, n\u014D reira, koutou katoa, ki a koe e te p\u0101p\u0101, Te Whiti-o-Rongomai Meihana, t\u0113nei ahau e tuku mihi atu ki a koutou katoa i t\u0113nei r\u0101 whakahirahira. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. And so, Taranaki is the ancestral mountain. Waitotoroa the ancestral river. Parihaka is home. Tohu K\u0101kahi and Te Whiti-o-Rongomai are the two guiding lights. Therefore, glory to God, peace to the land, and good thoughts to all men. I stand before you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EIt is only right that I acknowledge the family that has arrived to Parliament on this day; therefore, to you all I add my acknowledgement to those acknowledgements that have already been made today; therefore, to you all, to you my elder, Te Whiti-o-Rongomai Meihana, here I stand to acknowledge you all on this important day. Therefore, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EIt is an honour and a privilege to speak in this debate today. As Jo Hayes has stated, I was also on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and had the honour and privilege of visiting Parihaka to hear the submissions of those 23 submitters who wanted to be heard in that process. I say that it was a privilege because we had all the different voices that represent the overall voice of Parihaka there. One I will mention in particular is a family\u2014a mum, a dad, and they brought along their two children as well, and they all contributed to the conversation and put their point of view forward. We heard lots of different things.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EOne thing that I always found impressive was that despite everything that had gone on to the people of Parihaka and in that place, they continuously upheld the legacy of Tohu and Te Whiti and the values that they have left, not only for their time, but right through to now and for the future. Values which are definitely within this document: Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo. This document, members, I encourage everyone to read. It\u2019s not a big document, but there\u2019s a lot in there. There\u2019s a lot in there that really tells us about the resilience that the people and the community of Parihaka have and why they have that ability to move past the injustices that they faced. So I recommend it to members of the House. It\u2019s not difficult to find\u2014just google it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESo within the submissions, I\u2019m going to mention a couple of things. One of them was the dual language of the bill\u2014Te Reo M\u0101ori and English. One thing that was raised was not only that it should be in both languages, but the format of it was problematic. Even now, if members look in the bill as it\u2019s written, it\u2019s not the best kind of format, with Te Reo M\u0101ori and then English. One of the submitters asked that the bill be produced in a way where we have Te Reo M\u0101ori on one side and English on the other. The officials told us that that was not possible because, basically, the software that is used to produce these documents would not account for a change to the conventions of the print that is used. So I wanted to mention that here today, mainly because we have three official languages, and I think it is something that the House should consider\u2014changing the conventions of print for bills in Te Reo M\u0101ori and in English.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI also want to characterise, I guess, a number of submissions in that they were basically saying, \u201CMake this document\u2014the legislation\u2014be more reflective of this document: Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo.\u201D I\u2019m happy to say that the length of time that it took, really, was about making certain that that happened. It has taken a long time, but I acknowledge all of the advisers and also the Parliamentary Counsel Office as well for the work that they have done. It hasn\u2019t been easy to get everything in there, but I think I can honestly say that the changes that have been made do reflect what is in Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo more fairly, and also adds\u2014as the Minister outlaid\u2014the protection of the name Parihaka, which I can\u2019t stress to the House how important that was for a number of submitters. There have been events\u2014and other communities will know this as well\u2014where the name of their community has been used in a way that is not appreciated by the people that actually live in that community. So I\u2019m really pleased that another level of protection has been provided within this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThere also\u2014in terms of making it more strongly represented by Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo\u2014was a recommendation by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to have stronger language around the historical acts that are recorded in the legislation. That has been done, so I\u2019m really pleased about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI am not going to speak too much longer on the changes, but really to acknowledge, again, the people of Parihaka. I want to also mention that last week we had Ng\u0101ti Rangi here for the third reading of their bill. I acknowledge an important connection to Ng\u0101ti Rangi through \u0112noka Mareikura, who was a nephew to Mere Rikiriki, who had gone to Parihaka, and at Parihaka had met with Tohu and Te Whiti, and had also received a flag that had come from King T\u0101whiao. On that flag it says, \u201CE te iwi kia ora.\u201D The wh\u0101nau in the gallery will know exactly what that means. I just want to mention that here today, because both of these groups are connected through the m\u0101ramatanga, and both are connected in this House, because only one week ago their whanaunga was sitting here as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, k\u0101ore e roa t\u0113nei t\u016B, oti noa e tika ana kia tuku mihi atu ki a koutou ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau o Parihaka n\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa i runga i te tukunga iho o r\u0101tou m\u0101 i te w\u0101hi ngaro, Te M\u0101ngai hei tautoko, \u0101e.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Therefore, I won\u2019t speak for long, only finishing it is right that I acknowledged you, the families of Parihaka therefore; thank you all on the lessons passed down by those who have passed on, to support the God\u2019s representative, yes.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022 data-id=\u0022727f1ffd45e2465d948d5c307891832f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022727f1ffd45e2465d948d5c307891832f\u0022\u003EJONATHAN YOUNG (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. E ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 hau e wh\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Can I thank the previous speaker for some of the comments he has made. Can I welcome the people of Parihaka here to Parliament. This place which, long ago, worked to take away your mana\u2014our hope and prayer is that this place restore it, and restore the autonomy and the ability for you to define and determine your future. I think, as we see here in the legacy statement just exactly, it is your story that you have and own and want to tell. It\u2019s a story of international significance, and can I just commend what the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee have done in terms of strengthening some of the statements. You know, we live in a world that would seek to soften the hard and dark things of the past. But I think it is the truth of the past that will help us make sure that our future is strong. If we refuse to acknowledge that, we only disservice ourselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI think that we have, in the experiences of the people of Parihaka, something which, I think, is of international significance in that a people who sought to defend what was always\u2014and should have been\u2014theirs, did it in a peaceful and a willing way: to, actually, attempt to cooperate with those settlers and the Crown that had come to Taranaki. Yet they received, at the hand of the Crown, I would have to say, a tremendous affront to that spirit and attitude. It\u2019s been recorded and acknowledged locally that Mahatma Gandhi, in terms of the peaceful resistance in India, took his inspiration from the people of Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI believe that as the negotiations for Taranaki iwi were under way, there was consideration in the early period of time that Parihaka be included in that, but that, of course, was not to be because of the negotiators who said that the story of Parihaka is unique, and needs to stand and be recognised on its own two feet\u2014that this place was a place where those people who had lost their land and mana, and came to a place of refuge and, indeed, was the largest settlement of M\u0101ori in Taranaki. This seemed to be the place where the Crown determined that they would try and eradicate and stamp out that resistance that was taking place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003EI remember the words of W\u012Bremu K\u012Bngi, who was recorded in The Taranaki Report from the Waitangi Tribunal, who said, regarding the settlers who came to Taranaki, \u201CLook, you have your part. We have our part, and love will bind us together\u201D. There was a generous attitude of wanting to cooperate, and inclusion, and form a society together. But at that point in time, back in the 1860s through to the early 1880s and onwards, that spirit and attitude was moved against. This is why this Parliament, and the Government of past and now, have written these words of apology to the people of Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc9c47c0-4409-44ca-ad2f-498707f27d69\u0022\u003ECan I say, just in my last few moments, that I am very honoured to know many of the people of Parihaka, and to esteem you and respect you as a member of Parliament of that coastal region. My aroha goes to you, and I thank you for being here. I thank you for your generosity, for your amazing patience, and my hope and prayer is that this bill that goes through this House will be, in fact, the enablement for a stronger future. Can I acknowledge the district councils. It\u2019s been wonderful to see them involved in coming behind the people of Parihaka to strengthen your infrastructure, and also to support you as a wider Taranaki community. Kia ora, God bless. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022 data-id=\u00221127b08185e146829ce99e824b0fba16\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221127b08185e146829ce99e824b0fba16\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Speaker. E t\u016B ake ana au kei raro i te korowai aroha o \u014Dku tupuna. I stand here embraced in the loving korowai of my ancestors, as it is an honour today for me to speak on behalf of New Zealand First on the second reading of Te Pire Haeata ki Parihaka / Parihaka Reconciliation Bill. It is a pleasure, as I have mentioned, and it is an honour, indeed, to welcome you here again to Parliament, as it was an absolute honour for me to join the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee back in May 2018 as you welcomed us to your place so we could hear your stories. It was an overcast day. It was a little drizzly. We went on a wonderful drive as we drove around the coast, past the maunga on the left, and came to Parihaka, and it was the first time that I\u2019d been to Taranaki and gone that way around the maunga. So for me, it was like a new journey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI have a lovely connection with Taranaki. My grandmother grew up in Kaponga. My sister lives down on the coast as well on a farm, and we often go and collect p\u0101ua, so I\u2019m very familiar with the bounty of your moana, and I thank you for that. I was just there at Easter, and we collected enough p\u0101ua for a very good kai for the family, so that\u2019s something I know is a prize in that area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EThe Parihaka story takes us to a time when the greed for land was far greater than the recognition of our tangata whenua. The greed for land was so all-consuming that the people perished. The children, the w\u0101hine, the men, and the land itself perished under that obsession. But today, we can look in hope to the future as we acknowledge the wrongdoings of the Crown, and acknowledge you, and restore your mana. I\u2019m really honoured to be a tiny part of that process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EPart of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, for me, was a little bit like a coming home. The committee\u2014we operate in a slightly different way to other committees in Parliament. We work very much in a collaborative way. We have the best kai ever, so it is quite disappointing to me that I\u2019m no longer on that committee, but I was there for the opportunity to go and hear your stories, which I will talk to in just a moment. I note that there was a year\u2019s delay since we went to visit you, and before we finally get to this second reading. Hearing your aspirations was very uplifting, so I\u2019d just like to acknowledge today the wh\u0101nau of Parihaka that are here, and also, too, the Minister the Hon Kelvin Davis, as he talked about the legal legacy statement, and also the Crown apology.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI would like to focus a little bit of my contribution today on the protection of the name Parihaka, and it is a start as the Minister announced. For me, hearing from the Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust, and hearing about why you want your name protected\u2014to me, it makes absolute sense. The Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust requested that Te Pire Haeata ki Parihaka / Parihaka Reconciliation Bill be amended to include acknowledgements of the importance of Parihaka, acknowledgments of the importance of Tohu and Te Whiti, and that there be appropriate legal mechanisms, such as intellectual property provisions and intellectual property protections for the name Parihaka, for the name Tohu as well as Te Whiti, and for the history of Parihaka and the legacy statement. I am pleased to hear that the protection of the name Parihaka is part of this bill now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003ECurrently, there\u2019s some filming under way. Mihingarangi Forbes is currently filming a documentary, The Stories of Taranaki, and that will be edited shortly and will have its debut on 28 October, in Taranaki\u2014so very much looking forward to having your story interwoven into The Stories of Taranaki for us to have captured on film. They\u2019ve just been filming last week the drama The Re-enactments. They\u2019re going into the augmented reality phase where they rebuild the p\u0101, and that will all get edited soon, and I\u2019m very much looking forward to seeing that documentary, because I think it\u2019s important not just that we tell our stories but that, for future generations, we can also recreate the past so they can see it as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EThe bill includes some parts of the apology that need to be legislated and also recommends protecting the name from commercial exploitation. So this bill will mean no person may, without a written authorisation from the trust, carry on trade activities under the names and concepts associated with Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EAnother couple of submissions that we heard in May last year was that they would like 5 November\u2014Guy Fawkes Day\u2014to actually be renamed; so no longer call it \u201CGuy Fawkes Day\u201D but call it \u201CParihaka Day\u201D. I was very interested to hear about that, because they believe that Parihaka is a place where they feel safe and, like many before us, Parihaka is our place of refuge\u2014a place where we know we belong, feel safe, and are cared for, and that was a submission from one wh\u0101nau. Another submission, by Dr Heather Devere, the Director of Practice of the National Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies, from the University of Otago, actually also recommended renaming Guy Fawkes Day as Parihaka Day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003ESo we had a various amount of submissions; 23 we heard from, including one which was really making a fiscal observation that the $9 million associated with this bill really was a bit poor, considering the various bailouts that have gone on before\u2014$500 million for AMI, the South Canterbury Finance bailout to a very large tune\u2014and, in light of those bailouts, the submitter felt that $9 million for destroying a thriving M\u0101ori community, for stealing their land, for imprisoning their men without trial, and for raping their women seems absolutely pathetic. So I would just like that noted: that that is from one of the submitters to this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to mention art. I\u2019m quite a passionate friend of the arts, and I only just realised recently that the well-known New Zealand artist Colin McCahon has actually done a painting, \u201CMonuments to Te Whiti and to Tohu\u201D, and that\u2019s from the 1972 \u201CNecessary Protection\u201D series. So I think it\u2019s really interesting that, throughout our history in New Zealand, we have tried to capture the story of Parihaka in many different ways, and to have a notable New Zealand artist acknowledge part of the story of Parihaka, I think, is something significant, and it would be good to see those paintings, which are often stored in collections, maybe come to your home area more regularly so they can be shown and viewed by the public.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, etched in the pages of history, Te Whiti and Tohu, the gospel of pacifism and the prophecy of Parihaka, the vision of the albatross that swept down, the feather that fluttered to the ground\u2014the raukura, a tohu, a prophecy of peace\u2014this unique symbol of the white raukura, the white feather, and the background, the pak\u014D, pak\u014D, pak\u014D, the drumbeat of the poi becoming the beating of the heart of the people of Parihaka. The poi will be a symbol through the documentary that is currently being made, and I\u2019d like to make note of that so that, when we do get to watch the film, we will know that drumbeat of the poi and the significance it has for the people of Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003EKo Taranaki maunga, muruhia. Taranaki mountain, confiscated. Ko Taranaki whenua, muruhia. Taranaki land, confiscated. Ko Taranaki moana, muruhia. Taranaki seas, confiscated. Ko Taranaki tangata e t\u016B tonu nei. Tihei mauri ora. Taranaki mana still stands firm. Tihei mauri ora!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d7d8ba1985d640d29fe673cb1982ed04\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d7d8ba1985d640d29fe673cb1982ed04\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER (National\u2014Taranaki - King Country):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. Welcome to Parliament, and I would like to acknowledge everybody who has been involved in the process for Parihaka over a very long period of time. Of all the people in this House, I feel very close to the situation, as someone who grew up in \u014Cpunake, who went to \u014Cpunake High School, and who knows a number of people who attended that school also from Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EWe know that Parliament often takes a very long time to get things done, but I don\u2019t think that we can comprehend a very long time in terms of the process the people of Parihaka have had to endure and the process to get back to where we are today. The time frames: even my grandmother, who is going to be turning 103 next month, still would have no comprehension of the time frames of Parihaka. I was there on 9 June 2017, on that special occasion, and it was a very, very special occasion with the Minister Chris Finlayson and all the people of Parihaka. It was a fantastic day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve also been there and sat and watched the movie of Parihaka. A special memory for me is being there one day when there was a lower North Island Rotary Club there. We all sat and watched the video on that very day, and the comments that came from those members of the Rotary Club\u2014there were about 50 or 60 of them\u2014were that everyone in New Zealand should have the opportunity to know the story of Parihaka. So I think it\u2019s very appropriate that Parihaka gets a geographic place name protection, because it is a special place and it will always have a special place in my heart, with a great deal of embarrassment around the events that happened at Parihaka in such tragic circumstances.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EI know in the bill there\u2019s acknowledgment of the legacy statement, so I just want to think about the value of time and that legacy statement. When I think about the various stages\u2014\u201CPhase 1\u2014The upheaval. Violent upheaval 1813\u20131840\u201D\u2014the beginning of all of that process and the impact of the conflict that happened around 1860 to 1865, that awful period, it was a tragic situation for the people of Parihaka. The interesting thing is that when I look through these legacy documents, it says in here \u201CPhase 6\u2014The revival. The drive for revival 1886\u20131907\u201D. What a long time ago, the drive for revival.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EBut the part that really gets me in here is the phase from 1907 to 1975: \u201CThe forgetting of Parihaka\u201D. And, for me, the end of that time, in the 1970s, was the time when I was at \u014Cpunake High School and, really, Parihaka was a forgotten place, not acknowledged at all during that time. So the second revival, from 1975 to the present day, is something that I\u2019ve been very aware of. In those earlier days around that second revival, it also was not a pleasant time, because people did not understand the story of Parihaka, they did not understand what it was about, and actually there was some resistance again to Parihaka in those early days, based on people\u2019s lack of knowledge, through ignorance of the situation, and on not knowing what had happened. So people knew the location of Parihaka but didn\u2019t understand the story and, actually, almost put up another form of resistance in those early days.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EBut I\u2019m pleased to say that we have come a huge way since that time. It\u2019s your time, and we are very proud, as the current politicians in this Government today, to be sharing this time with you. I want to acknowledge the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and all of the work they did going through the process of getting this bill to this point. This is the beginning of a new time, and we welcome that. Thank you for all who are involved. Thank you for your patience. I think that\u2019s a big, big, big understatement. But go forward. Congratulations to everybody, and we look forward to celebrating the future with you. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022bfe0d5f26e2e46dcac5e447210fb2b14\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bfe0d5f26e2e46dcac5e447210fb2b14\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 mana e rua, Tohu K\u0101kahi, Te Whiti o Rongomai, t\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drua. Ki a koutou ng\u0101 uri o Parihaka, o Taranaki iwi, nau mai, haere mai, haere mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E[The two leaders, Tohu K\u0101kahi, Te Whiti o Rongomai, greetings to you both. To you, the descendants of Parihaka, of the tribe of Taranaki, welcome, welcome, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s my distinct honour to stand and take a call in the second reading of Te Pire Haeata ki Parihaka, the Parihaka Reconciliation Bill, on behalf of the Green Party. While second reading speeches are traditionally a recapping of the submissions and the amendments to the bill, as with everyone else who\u2019s spoken on this piece of legislation today, I feel compelled to acknowledge the importance of this to us as a country, and particularly for the people of Parihaka. I offer, initially, my gratitude for their role in our history. It\u2019s something that I wish more New Zealanders knew and understood and connected to, because I believe firmly that we would all be in a much better place if we could connect to the legacy and the values that have been held in that very special place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge that I think this piece of legislation\u2014which is not a settlement bill; it is a reconciliation bill\u2014is another example of the Parihaka community and uri stepping out of what is the norm to offer all of us an expanded idea of what is possible. For the Crown, it\u2019s another call for us to build relationships based on an acknowledgement of the history and to create a new beginning. This is very significant: that this was initiated by the Attorney-General\u2014well, in response from the people of Parihaka, of course\u2014and outside of the formal settlement process, and that it is in here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThere are many things in this piece of legislation. Its existence in itself is hugely significant. The fact that it contains the apology and the legacy statement\u2014which is the history, as I\u2019ve heard repeated, from inside Parihaka, rather than other people\u2019s interpretation of that history, which is what we are so often left with in this country\u2014and that the spirit of that is so present in reading it, is so different to what we normally are given in pieces of legislation, and I want to acknowledge the importance and the vision in that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EOf course, we can\u2019t stand in this House representing the Crown and not, again, acknowledge the horror of the history and the importance of, actually, some of that detail, which is what this apology brings into the record. This piece of legislation is to ensure that we never forget, as a country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe Parihaka community was established as people were being driven off their land forcibly and violently by the Crown, only so few years after the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. About 3 million acres, across Taranaki and Waikato primarily, was confiscated by the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe legacy of that we see on a daily basis. Typically, the conversation\u2014at least on talkback\u2014blames individuals, with no acknowledgement of the benefit to P\u0101keh\u0101, and the Crown in particular, from that confiscation and theft and huge, huge harm and with no acknowledgment that, in the face of that, a philosophy of peace was created\u2014a non-violent resistance that has been looked to by communities all around the world and that just offers such a different way of resolving conflict that is just so powerful and so hopeful for all of us. Yet that peace was met with doubled-down violence by the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAs with others in the House, I was incredibly privileged to be at the signing of Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo, the deed of reconciliation, on 9 June 2017. The walk up that road, and being greeted by the food from the soil and the kumara and the kete and the children and the waiata and the stillness in the air and the mountain in the background watching us\u2014knowing that the previous time the Crown had walked up that road had been with guns, countering children and women and men in peace, and they had mown them down\u2014is something that I will never forget, and I wish more people in this country would understand the profound harm that lies in our history and is all too often hidden and denied.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo this bill seeks to bring that to the light. As the title of the bill states, Te Pire Haeata is the new dawn and for us to have a new beginning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge that there were 39 submissions on this piece, which really is about just bringing the deed of reconciliation into legislation in the House but required quite a bit of work, despite the initial sense that this was quite simple. But that\u2019s often the way of how things sometimes\u2014the detail which really matters can be lost in translation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo part of the changes that came through from submissions were the translation of haeata and ensuring that that was acknowledged, and the real meaning of that, and the dual meaning of that, is \u201Cdawn\u201D and \u201Cnew beginning\u201D; ensuring that there was stronger wording to reflect the impact of, particularly, the changes in legislation that enabled the Crown to indefinitely detain the men from Parihaka after they had, in effect, kidnapped them and taken them away and separated them from their people and to reflect that there were several pieces of legislation that enabled the Crown to subvert the rule of law, which is so often spoken about as if it is always sacrosanct but was not in the early days of colonisation in this House; and to strengthen the links between the deed and the bill, including reference to the Parihaka-Crown Leaders\u2019 Forum and Te Huanga \u014D Rongo, the relationship agreement, and the Parihaka Fund. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWhile the deed is itself legally binding, it was important to submitters that there was more clarity between bringing some aspects of the deed into the legislation so that it would be on the record in this House and from this House, moving forward. Indeed, this is as much about what is going to happen in the future and resetting our relationship as it is about the terrible horror of the past and acknowledging the Parihaka community\u2019s authorship of the legacy statement. I suspect nobody reading it would think it had come from the Crown. It, to me, so speaks to the spirit of Parihaka and stands distinctly, but I do think clarifying that authorship is really valuable\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u0022c85fa708ef6f450085709423891e99be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c85fa708ef6f450085709423891e99be\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Ruth Dyson)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry to interrupt the member, but her time has expired. I call Dan Bidois.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022 data-id=\u002200b2ef00458048dfaed5d210abfe5b78\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002200b2ef00458048dfaed5d210abfe5b78\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. Te Whare e t\u016B nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Te papa e takoto nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ng\u0101 mate, haere, haere, haere. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. To the House that stands before me, I greet you. To the ground beneath me, I greet you. Those who have passed on, proceed on your journey. To the leaders, to the spokespeople, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a pleasure to speak in the second reading of the Parihaka Reconciliation Bill. I\u2019d like to start out by acknowledging the people of Parihaka. Thank you for your patience in what has been a long, long process coming to the House today. I\u2019d also like to acknowledge Te Whiti o Rongomai\u2019s grandson who is here: kia ora to you. Also I\u2019d like to acknowledge the Ministers of the Crown who have dealt with this bill since it\u2019s come to the House, the former Minister for Crown-M\u0101ori relations, the Hon Chris Finlayson, and then of course the Hon Kelvin Davis.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EI sit on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and it\u2019s a privilege to do so. However, I have not been able to contribute to the submissions process for this bill, as I\u2019m a relatively new member to this process. But I do want to acknowledge my colleagues on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and, to echo the sentiments of Jenny Marcroft, the kai on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee is certainly very, very good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EWe are here today for this reconciliation bill in the second reading. It\u2019s been a really good process for me, actually, to understand a little bit more about our history and, in fact, what the Crown has done in the past, and to acknowledge some of the wrongs that the Crown has done\u2014this bill seeks to amend those wrongs. So the bill is, in effect, not a bill around a settlement, but it is a deed of reconciliation. That deed of reconciliation was signed on 9 June 2017, one year before the Northcote by-election was held in 2018.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThis bill recognises and apologises for, essentially, the wrongs that were done by the Crown in the 1800s. Reading about these, I mean, it\u2019s quite shocking, the wrongs that were done by the Crown\u2014everything from imprisoning, fencing, breaching natural justice, invading property and homes, and detaining. It\u2019s a dark part of New Zealand\u2019s history and it\u2019s a good moment in time that we are able to recognise the wrongs that were done and to apologise for those wrongs but also, hopefully, focus on the future and the relationship between the Crown and Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003ESo the submissions process\u2014in the second reading we typically talk about the submissions. Some of those submissions have been canvassed, so I won\u2019t go into detail on those, but we did receive 39 submissions of which my colleagues on the select committee heard 23 orally, and there were a bunch of amendments that came out of the select committee process. I just want to run through a couple of those. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThe first is around strengthening the link between the deed and the bill and including the deed initiatives in the bill, which was certainly made in the select committee. There were suggestions that there be a review of the Crown\u2019s relationship with Parihaka, but we didn\u2019t recommend actually including that in the bill. There are a whole bunch of other recommendations that were made in the select committee process that my colleagues considered, and there were more changes in terms of particularly protecting the name of Parihaka, which I think is really important, and I think my colleagues acknowledged that on the select committee. There can be no use of the name \u201CParihaka\u201D, particularly for commercial gain, which I think is a reflection of the importance of the name Parihaka but is also reflective of the will of the community up in the great area of the South Taranaki region.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EWe support the second reading of this bill and the future aspirations. The bill talks directly to an apology by the Crown to the people of Parihaka. It also expresses the future aspirations for the relationship between the Crown and the people of Parihaka, and I do hope that beyond what\u2019s written in the actual bill itself, we can reflect on the principles and the articles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and that those values and principles and expressions are brought to the fore in the future relationship between the people of Parihaka and the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EIt is my desire and our party\u2019s desire to support this bill in its second reading. I do want to acknowledge everybody who\u2019s been a part of this process. It\u2019s a very special day, even though it\u2019s only the second reading. It\u2019s very special that we can come to this stage in our Parliament where we acknowledge the wrongs that the Crown has done in the past but also focus on the future. I think that\u2019s what we\u2019re all about in this House: focusing on the future relationship between the Crown and M\u0101ori. This side of House has a really great track record of that, in terms of advancing the Treaty negotiations with iwi around the country, including my own iwi of Maniapoto, and it\u2019s great to see the continuation of that in this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s the spirit of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I must say that it\u2019s a pleasure to be on that select committee and to see how collegial the members on that select committee are, and I think that that is reflective of the combined will of this House to make a difference for M\u0101ori and to make a substantial contribution to improve the lives of M\u0101ori throughout New Zealand. I do commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u00226bb45befda064bcda6c633e0bf434c44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226bb45befda064bcda6c633e0bf434c44\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Ruth Dyson)\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call, I understand\u2014the Hon Meka Whaitiri.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u002222618b6abe0547c8be4a4027e16848b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002222618b6abe0547c8be4a4027e16848b6\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. E ng\u0101 mema katoa o Te Whare nei, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Labour supports the second reading of Te Pire Haeata ki Parihaka / Parihaka Reconciliation Bill. Can I extend a warm welcome to our visitors here from Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EHe t\u016B, he uri ahau o Te Tai R\u0101whiti, he mema M\u0101ori o te rohe p\u014Dtae o Ikaroa R\u0101whiti. Anei ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou katoa ng\u0101 uri o Parihaka, ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Parihaka. E ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 mana, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[I stand, I am a descendant of the East Coast, a M\u0101ori member of the electorate of Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti. This is my acknowledgement to all of the descendants of Parihaka, the sub-tribes of Parihaka. To the spokespeople, to the leaders, greetings, greetings, greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EListening to the previous speaker, our colleague Dan Bidois, who\u2019s a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, I don\u2019t want there to be the impression that all we do in the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee is eat. Some may\u2014some may. Some actually come to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to do justice, like we are doing in the second reading of this important bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ECan I acknowledge and join in the chorus of all the former speakers around acknowledging Parihaka\u2019s gracefulness, their patience, and, I guess, their vision for putting to this Government in 2015\u2014and I want to acknowledge the Kawe T\u016Btaki, the group, obviously led by Dame Tariana Turia, the Rt Hon Jim Bolger, the Hon Mahara Okeroa, Amokura Panoho, and Ruakere Hond, who, in 2015, petitioned the Government of the day for a special place, not only in this House but in the history of this country, and for the significance of Parihaka on this nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIn the early 1970s\u2014maybe the later 1970s or the 1980s when I was at school, I learnt about Mahatma Gandhi, I learnt about Mother Teresa. So that\u2019s the 1970s, 1980s; it wasn\u2019t till the 1990s that I was fortunate enough to visit Parihaka. At the time, the late Te Miringa Hohaia hosted myself and a former member of this House, the Hon Parekura Horomia, and, of course, Amokura Panoho\u2014so the three of us all worked for an organisation called the Community Employment Group. I share that story because it completely opened my eyes that we had, in this nation, our own rangatira pacifists: Te Whiti o Rongomai and Tohu K\u0101kahi. As we celebrate this second reading, let us hope that the history and the contribution of Te Whiti and Tohu is taught not only in our schools in the Taranaki area but in the schools throughout the motu. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWhat I learnt on those visits to Parihaka with the late Te Miringa was that Parihaka was a thriving community; it had homes, it had its own flour mill. They actually had their own currency, and it was a haven for people escaping the actions of the Crown of the day in confiscating their land. This is a people for whom it was a safe haven, and in celebrating this particular bill\u2014and the Minister outlined both the significance and the aims of the bill and why we are here contributing to the second reading\u2014it would be remiss of me not to share the experience I had, in not only visiting Parihaka that first time but several times after, of learning of the significance of Parihaka on this nation, the thriving strength of the community, and the welcome-ness that everyone received when they landed in Parihaka. To see that all removed by the stroke of a pen, with the actions of the Crown and their soldiers, was an absolutely devastating lesson that I learnt on those many trips to Parihaka. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI am pleased in that we are celebrating and acknowledging that this is a bill addressing the reconciliation, but it\u2019s always important to us to acknowledge the contribution to the fabric of this nation not only of the people of Parihaka but the community of Parihaka. So I stand here, proudly, with all members. I\u2019m almost giving my third reading speech, but in terms of the significance of this bill and every settlement bill\u2014and this is not a settlement; this is a reconciliation bill\u2014you look for its unique point of difference. I commend both those that petitioned the Crown at the time for the introduction of a legacy statement\u2014the legacy statement that allows the people of Parihaka to tell their story in their own language. To tell their story\u2014that should not be missed on any members in this House: the significance of reconciliation where the people who have suffered at the hands of the Crown are able to tell their story in their own words. This is what we see in this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI am proud to be a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee that doesn\u2019t just go there to eat my lunch. I am proud of those who have preceded me\u2014the former ministers, officials, but, more importantly, Parihaka\u2014for having the patience and confidence in allowing us to salute you and recognise you. I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u00221e973899143645478d282c51881189ea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e973899143645478d282c51881189ea\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E Ka huri au ki titiro ki ng\u0101 manuwhiri o t\u0113nei Whare. Ki ng\u0101 uri o Te Whiti o Rongomai, ng\u0101 uri o Tohu K\u0101kahi, ng\u0101 uri o Parihaka, nau mai, hoki mai, haere mai m\u014D te p\u0101nuitanga tuarua o t\u0113nei pire, t\u014D koutou pire.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[I turn to look at the visitors of this House. To the descendants of Te Whiti o Rongomai, the descendants of Tohu K\u0101kahi, the descendants of Parihaka, welcome, return, welcome to the second reading of this bill, your bill.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI turn to acknowledge our guests who have gathered here, the people of Parihaka, for this, the second reading. In opening, I refer to my last words at the first reading, in addressing the House and our people of Parihaka with a line of lyrics from a song of Parihaka. Those lines of lyrics from that song, that waiata, were: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ELook to the sky, the spirit of Te Whiti,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThe endless tide is murmuring his name,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI know Te Whiti will never be defeated,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EAnd even at the darkest hour,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EHis presence will remain.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll sing for you a song of Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThis bill for our Parihaka people, Te Pire Haeata ki Parihaka, is, as we traverse through this process towards the third reading and the passage of this bill into law, a dawning of a new age; with the tragic, dark history of the injustices from the Crown upon our people of Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThose who have addressed the House this afternoon have traversed part of that history. If I may share for the benefit of our manuhiri today, the purpose of a second reading of the bill is for us to come back to the House after the first reading and debate the matters, the content of the bill which have been considered after further submissions and hearings from the people. I had the distinct privilege of serving as a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee at the time that we were welcomed warmly at Parihaka for the hearing of those further submissions. I had the distinct privilege of being there with whanaunga at the time of He Puanga Haeata\u2014the ceremony with the deed of the reconciliation being signed, on 9 June 2017. Like a number of my colleagues here in the House, we have reflected on the memories, of the impact of that moment in time\u2014a time in history as it affected us, moving into the dawning of a new age. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI am permitted only to take a brief call this afternoon, and when it comes to the third reading of this bill I hope that I am indulged to be able to, accordingly, pay acknowledgment to our people who have travelled far, our people of Parihaka, in what rightly should be accorded them more time for this matter to be spoken to before the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EIn closing, I harken to those words, again, for New Zealanders to reflect on the real history and what it means, because many of us are not affected by that. Many in our families, our sense of history, and our sensibilities are not deeply aggrieved by that. Those of us who know the mamae\u2014we know the hurt. But the significance of the passage of this journey, this bill, is that the people of Parihaka are prepared to move into the future with the hope and the vision that was left them by their prophets Te Whiti and Tohu, and to realise that, to activate that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ESo at the third reading, I will address that, in terms of what I know the people of Parihaka are implementing with the $9 million fund that has been set aside. But the money is in no way, in any means, shape, or form, a sense of compensation. This is not a Treaty settlement bill; this is a reconciliation relationship bill, and it is a bill premised on that, moving into the future. In closing, in the third reading I will seek that opportunity to address that further, and I acknowledge our people of Parihaka. Ng\u0101 mihi nui, kia koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u0022bcdb1882ddf849bb82e949dddc0302a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bcdb1882ddf849bb82e949dddc0302a9\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Ruth Dyson)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, and can I also apologise to the member. I omitted to give the one-minute warning bell, but she clearly didn\u2019t need it. But my apologies for that. I call the Hon Willie Jackson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u00223abff513c6f34846bfdc1568591cb18b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223abff513c6f34846bfdc1568591cb18b\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Associate Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Tuatahi, e ng\u0101 m\u014Drehu o ng\u0101 manu e rua, ki a koutou ko ng\u0101 t\u0101tarakihi o Parihaka, t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou i tae mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101 i whakarangatira i a m\u0101tou. Ko t\u0113nei te kaupapa tino whakahirahira m\u014D Te Ao M\u0101ori. T\u0113nei te tino mihi. \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Firstly, to the living remnants of the two leaders, the present-day cicadas of Parihaka, I acknowledge you all who have arrived at this time to honour us. This is the most important thing in the M\u0101ori World. My sincerest thanks. Thank you, thank you, thank you again one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EFirst up, I do think it\u2019s appropriate that we congratulate former Ministers\u2014the former Minister of the Crown of M\u0101ori Development, Te Ururoa Flavell, who did a terrific job in advancing this kaupapa for his wh\u0101nau. He married into the wh\u0101nau, and they became his wh\u0101nau, and he\u2019s done a great job. Of course, former Minister Chris Finlayson will no doubt go down as one of the finest Treaty Ministers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ENovember 5 is a historic date, and one of the dates that we\u2019ll mark in the New Zealand calendar, and should be for ever remembered. On a personal note, it remains a date that will be part of my life for ever and a day. On 5 November, my father died. On 5 November, one of my daughters was born. On 5 November, one of the sons of Parihaka, my very close friend Te Kauhoe Wano took his life. So 5 November is a hugely important day for many of us. Te Kauhoe was one of my dear friends, brothers, and, as I said, a son of Parihaka. We will never forget the tangi that the people of Parihaka held for our brother who took his life on that day. That will always remain one of the saddest days for Parihaka people and for many of the wh\u0101nau and friends in T\u0101maki Makaurau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EOf course, 5 November is the day that the troops marched into Parihaka, and atrocities occurred. One of the stories that will always remain\u2014and I know we spoke about it when I was on radio and TV\u2014is the women\u2019s story. It is a story that was hidden in many ways, as many of our kuia know, and not expressed, because the stories of Tohu and Te Whiti\u2014and I acknowledge our whanaunga here, and the mokopunas of the great tipuna\u2014were always the stories that were articulated. I heard the cries of some of our women from Parihaka and Taranaki, particularly the trust chairwoman Puna Wano-Bryant. Kei konei a Puna? Kao? Kei te pai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Is Puna here? No? That\u2019s ok.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EBut her k\u014Drero resonated, I think, with so many of our people, and so many of our women who had undergone atrocities. Puna cried when she described what happened to her tipuna, especially the women. How women were raped and assaulted by Crown troops\u2014she said, \u201CThose women were our mothers and our grandmothers from here, and the violation of whakapapa happened here in Parihaka.\u201D That\u2019s what she said at the ceremony that members of the House attended. I was sad that I did not attend to support, but I know there were members from both side of the House who attended, who heard what she had to say. I thought she was very brave, very courageous, and she inspired so many of our women\u2014not just M\u0101ori women; women all around the country. The women, and the rape of the women, and their story, she said, were silenced because of the shame that goes along with the act. Puna cried when she finished telling her story, and it rained at almost the same time that Puna told this story about our w\u0101hine, our mana w\u0101hine of Parihaka. It is a story, I think, that should resonate for all New Zealanders, and I mihi to her. Tuku, me mihi ki a koe Puna m\u014D t\u014D kaha me t\u014D m\u0101ia ki te k\u014Dkiri i te kaupapa, t\u014D k\u014Drero.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Send, I must acknowledge you, Puna, for your strength and courage to move this matter forward, your words.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI also want to speak, today, about something that came out of the select committee process, in terms of the names and the protection of the Parihaka name. For M\u0101ori, our names have been plagiarised, misused; our waiata has been plagiarised, our hakas have been plagiarised for years and years and years. So I think it\u2019s wonderful that Parihaka have been able to exercise some protection over this and around this. If you look on TV\u2014I remember some years ago when we had a big argument with the Spice Girls. Everybody thought it was great that the Spice Girls were doing the haka; never mind that they were doing it all wrong and bungling up the language. I think that the protection that we\u2019ve come to in terms of Parihaka\u2014protection of name is just so important, because it should be looked at as a template in terms of protection of names, waiatas, hakas, and things that we hold dear to us at all times.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EOf course, everyone likes to get pretty trendy with Parihaka now. You can go to Parihaka, you see, and do a speech and then put it online and, you know, make yourself pretty popular\u2014as our whanaungas know. So I mihi to our wh\u0101nau who have said that we must be careful with the Parihaka brand, because it\u2019s something that can be misused and used in the wrong area\u2014that is the case with lots of things in terms of Te Ao M\u0101ori. So intellectual property rights is an area that we are still traversing, and something that we still have to get right in terms of tikanga M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ETikanga M\u0101ori is everything\u2014and don\u2019t we know that. That\u2019s some of the k\u014Drero that we are now traversing with Ihum\u0101tao, and they\u2019re about to go through a whole tikanga process over the next two days. But I think if they want to look at how we traverse tikanga M\u0101ori, they need to look at some of the things that have come out of this agreement with Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EMadam Speaker, I want to\u2014if I can indulge you and the House\u2014as I come to the end of this korero, read something from this, which talks about the aspirations of Parihaka, and talks about the whole reconciliation process. So I\u2019ll read that, if I may, Madam Speaker. I just want to read this, because I think these are some of the most beautiful words one could ever read or hear. This is about the commitment in terms of reconciliation, present and future. It reads: \u201CListen, for you have a role to fulfil, it is a challenge left to you by your ancestors. Though you may be overwhelmed by your neighbour, success will come, a glow will be on the mountain skyline, to be seen by all. Go out on open seas, unsettled and surging seas to find [a] new and bountiful existence. This commitment has set sail on Tangaroa of limitless paths, refraining from the arduous and boggy paths we once travelled, allowing them to pass from this world. Violence scars, while that shown care will be strong, self-assured and confident. As an ant in the burrow, as a juvenile cicada maturing in the earth, to emerge into the open. Be surrounded with the cacophony of confidence, lest you be confined to the shore, pulled by tides, swamped by waves of all that is heavy and harsh in this world. All my strength and my voice is guidance to this generation, that you be the empowerer of both peoples. Your voice cannot be smothered by the authorities. Your voice cannot be silenced by the powerful nor the turbulent events of this land. Should your voice be abolished, you will use tikanga to respond to the hatred, overcoming it with kindness.\u201D Appropriate words, I think, to sum up the magic of Parihaka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EHe h\u014Dnore nui ki te t\u016B i mua i a koutou, koutou katoa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, \u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[It is a great honour to stand before you, all of you, thank you, greetings one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022 data-id=\u00221aae7aaf44b5452f92e202088e52b9fc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221aae7aaf44b5452f92e202088e52b9fc\u0022\u003EAGNES LOHENI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Nei r\u0101 te mihi aroha ki ng\u0101 uri o Kurahaup\u014D waka, ng\u0101 uri o Te Rongopai, o Tohu me Te Whiti. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa, t\u016B mai Taranaki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003E[This is a sincere acknowledgement to the descendants of the ancestral waka of Kurahaup\u014D, the descendants of Te Rongopai, of Tohu and Te Whiti. Greetings to you all, to the tribe of Taranaki, stand strong.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EI am privileged to have this opportunity to make a contribution to this bill, as a descendant of those later migrating iwi from Samoa. May I acknowledge the Hon Andrew Little for his work in concluding this bill with the people of Parihaka. I also paid tribute to the previous Minister, the Hon Chris Finlayson, for his work to bring this settlement to the table. To the members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and the chair, Rino Tirikatene, fa\u2018afetai lava mo le avanoa\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EI am humbled to stand and address the iwi of my children. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EMy Kamo-Dix children have direct whakapapa to Parihaka that culminated in their great-grand-uncle Manny Dix, who, upon hearing the call from his Taranaki iwi wh\u0101nau, travelled from the Chatham Islands to assist in the building of homes post the events in 1881. He is buried at Parihaka. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EMake no mistake. The first reading of the Parihaka Reconciliation Bill was a signal that the war was over\u2014a war we the Crown lost before it even started. We lost the war the day this House decided it would be a good idea to send 1,800 soldiers in to Parihaka, unlawfully detain the ploughman of the village, rape the women, and raze their homes to the ground. How does a Government win with that sort of decision making?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EMy parliamentary predecessor and ancestor of my Ng\u0101ti Mutunga and Ng\u0101i Tahu children, the Hon H\u014Dri Kerei Taiaroa would take little satisfaction in being right if he was able to observe this legislation today. Taiaroa fought to the bitter end to have the rule of law applied in all matters pertaining to M\u0101ori. And it irked him to no end that the rule of law was ever only suspended where M\u0101ori were concerned. In this House, on 31 May 1882, H\u014Dre Kerei Taiaroa stated, \u201CThe only way to settle this trouble is to do away with these bills. To let Te Whiti go before the court and be tried.\u201D The bills Taiaroa referred to include the sinister Maori Prisoners\u2019 Trials Act 1879, the unconscionable West Coast Peace Preservation Act 1882, and its evil twin, the Indemnity Act 1882\u2014the content of which has been well rehearsed in this Chamber. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EThe rule of law is a mainstay of our democratic institutions, and they were suspended to subjugate the people of Taranaki and to speed up the taking of M\u0101ori land. The irony is not lost that the greatest defenders of the rule of law and democracy in New Zealand in the 1880s were M\u0101ori and not those who had imported these incredible institutions into New Zealand. But we\u2019ve been given a second chance. And we know how rare that can be in history.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EBefore us is the Parihaka Reconciliation Bill. It is the start point, not an endpoint. And that is because the relationship between the people of Parihaka and us the Crown is everlasting, guaranteed under Te Tiriti o Waitangi. And this time we intend to honour that relationship. There is still some way to go and some matters to be negotiated for the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and the people of Parihaka. Parihaka people have rightly sought protection of their t\u016Bpuna Tohu K\u0101kahi and Te Whiti o Rongomai. The story of these two incredible men precedes that of Mahatma Gandhi, of Dr Martin Luther King, and of Nelson Mandela. There is already incredibly considerable pressure to tell the story of these two men, so the inclusion of clause 3B into this bill to prevent the commercial exploitation of the Parihaka name is a step in the right direction. It will be a challenge to try and extend those protections to the names of the prophets and their legacy, and I urge the select committee to continue to consider this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EMay I finish with the most prophetic words uttered in this House\u2014words of prophecy that some might say match Te Whiti\u2019s. They were spoken by a former member of Parliament H\u0113nare Tomoana on 16 July 1880, when he stated in reference to the legislation we were passing to subjugate the people of Parihaka\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201CWhen a M\u0101ori looks an eel in the water it seems quite still and straight. But directly you catch hold of it, it curves up, doubles and twists around you, and slimes you all over.\u201D The Parihaka Reconciliation Bill is the step to cleansing this House of the eel slime the legislation of 1879 to 1882 left on us. I commend this bill to the House. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u00225330f64fc8704a8ca64f1f2522b07080\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225330f64fc8704a8ca64f1f2522b07080\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, te wh\u0101nau o Parihaka. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou ng\u0101 uri o ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata. Nau mai, whakatau mai ki roto i Te Whare Paremata. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. Greetings to you, the family of Parihaka. Greetings to you all, the descendants of the people. Welcome, welcome to Parliament. Greetings to you, greetings one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI am very proud to stand in support of this bill at its second reading. I want to acknowledge all of the contributions that have been made by all members at this second reading. I want to acknowledge the Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust and all the wh\u0101nau of Parihaka, the officials, and all those that have been working on this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EOne word we\u2019ve heard quite a lot through this debate has been \u201Cspecial\u201D. Indeed, this is a real special piece of legislation, and I am really proud and very honoured that I was able to play a part along with my fellow parliamentary colleagues in this House, just as we\u2019re doing now through our membership on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I want to acknowledge the Papak\u0101inga Trust, who welcomed us so warmly to Parihaka when we conducted our hearings at Parihaka. It was a wonderful day, and we heard a lot of heartfelt k\u014Drero, just as has been expressed today, from all of the community, the wh\u0101nau. We heard from descendants of our wonderful t\u012Bpuna of Te Whiti o Rongomai and Tohu K\u0101kahi. It was just very moving.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWe heard from wh\u0101nau. We heard from descendants of those that were on the Crown side of the invasion that took place all those years ago. But there was a lot of unity, and there was, as is reflected in the title of this bill, reconciliation. There was a lot of reconciliation occurring. I don\u2019t have a profound M\u0101ori k\u014Drero, but I would sum it up, that day, that there were plenty of melting M\u0101ori moments. We had a lot of waiata. We even had one of our tuahine that submitted, who shared with everyone that she was pregnant and she was going to give birth. These are the amazing things that happen when you\u2019re on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, I can tell you. Along with the wonderful kai that we partake in, we do a lot of mahi. We definitely do a lot of mahi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo it was a wonderful day of reflection and of examination of this bill. I want to acknowledge the submitters, the Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust, and all of the leaders that we heard from, because I am really pleased that we were able to pick up on some of those submissions that they were presenting. In particular, I\u2019m very proud that this bill has extended protection of the name \u201CParihaka\u201D\u2014a first of its kind. We have had similar protection in Te Awa Tupua Act\u2014in that piece of Treaty settlement legislation\u2014but to actually have the name of Parihaka and the significance of Parihaka given statutory protection, which means that the Parihaka Papak\u0101inga Trust must authorise any commercial use of Parihaka\u2014this is a landmark piece of legislation here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo I want to acknowledge the committee; I want to acknowledge the submitters and that we were able to this. In particular, I want to acknowledge the officials that have worked tirelessly behind the scenes, who have been the go-betweens, who have been engaged in the sensitive k\u014Drero with the hau k\u0101inga every step of the way. I know that they\u2019ve been really committed to this piece of legislation, and committed to the whole kaupapa of reconciliation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo I am really proud that we have been able to insert that protection clause within this piece of legislation. Unfortunately, we couldn\u2019t get the protection over personal names such as Te Whiti and Tohu, because we came up against what\u2019s called the Bill of Rights and freedom of expression. Likewise, the legacy statement, which has been so carefully crafted by the wh\u0101nau of Parihaka\u2014try as we might, we couldn\u2019t extend that protection to those areas, but it\u2019s fair to say that we have been consistent with the Bill of Rights with where we\u2019ve landed on this bill. It\u2019s within the justifiable limits that are allowed, but we\u2019ve definitely, I think, reached a very unique but very safe protection for Parihaka. So I want to especially acknowledge that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EAs it should be, there have been very solemn contributions in the stories that we\u2019ve heard today. I don\u2019t want to prolong this debate, but I do want to just acknowledge, once again, the people of Parihaka. I want to focus on the future, because I think that\u2019s what is really embodied in the initiatives that will be taking place into the future, based on this bill and, of course, Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI think if anyone wants to really look into the history and to get the true essence of the story of Parihaka, I would recommend to have a really good read through Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo, the Crown apology, and the legacy statement that\u2019s contained within that Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo\u2014and that\u2019s a covenant, so these are very special documents. This bill affirms that document and records the Crown\u2019s commitment and the connection of this law, not only to that document but also the future actions that will be taking place. Again, thanks to the work of our committee, we were able to make those refinements and that added emphasis in terms of the effect of Te Kawenata \u014D Rongo to this bill, and also to pave the way for those future actions that will be taking place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWith that, I am very happy to commend this bill to the House at its second reading, and, once again, I thank the hau k\u0101inga for travelling all this way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, \u0101piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, r\u0101tou te hunga wairua ki a r\u0101tou. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, t\u0101tou te hunga ora ki a t\u0101tou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, \u0101, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Therefore, the lines are joined; those who have passed on remain with their kind. The lines have been joined, we, the living remain with the living. Greetings, greetings, thank you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022894fcedc67194b9aad98ac6b4b16f68b\u0022\u003EReferendums Framework Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224c67b967a9e14db58efec7951a48af5f\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022 data-id=\u0022df8fb648faa6479a8c3565686b08e715\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022df8fb648faa6479a8c3565686b08e715\u0022\u003EHon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Associate Minister of Justice)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Justice: I move, That the Referendums Framework Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Justice Committee to consider the bill. At the appropriate time, I intend to move that the bill be reported to the House by 11 November 2019 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time except during oral questions while the House is sitting, during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House, and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House, and outside the Wellington area, despite Standing Orders 191, 193, and 194(1)(b) and (c).\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EAs the House is aware, the Government has committed to holding a referendum on legalising the personal use of recreational cannabis, at the next general election. This bill provides the necessary legislative framework to govern the conduct of this referendum. There\u2019s also been discussion of the possibility of another referendum being held on the End of Life Choice Bill, which is currently being considered by the committee of the whole House. With a greater likelihood of a second referendum, it is all the more prudent that this Referendums Framework Bill be introduced, as it will also facilitate, if necessary, the holding of a referendum on the End of Life Choice Bill at the next general election. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EEnsuring the smooth and efficient conduct of the general election and any referendums held at that time is important. The Electoral Commission needs to be able to plan appropriately, and so this Referendums Framework Bill provides a single set of rules that govern the conduct of any referendums held alongside the general election, and ensures the same rules apply to both the general election and the referendums as far as is practical.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EThe bill focuses on the mechanical aspects of the conduct of any referendum held with the next election. For example, it enables the Electoral Commission to conduct the referendums using the same voting places and electoral staff as for the election. It provides for the counting of the referendum votes and the release of the results either with or following the release of the general election results, and it provides that the offence and penalty provisions in the Electoral Act apply to similar offences committed in relation to referendums. As this is a generic bill, it does not include specific referendum-related material, and I say that for my colleague across the floor. Instead, it includes two mechanisms to link to other legislation or regulations which will be the trigger for the bill to be used for a particular referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EAdvertising is likely to be a key influencer in the public debate, informing voters and encouraging voter turnout for the referendums. To achieve the appropriate balance between freedom of expression and transparency, the bill regulates referendum advertising in much the same way as the Electoral Act regulates election advertising. These rules will require promoters of referendum advertisements to place a promoter statement on any advertisement and to register if they intend to spend over $13,200 on referendum advertising during the three-month period immediately prior to the referendums. In addition, registered promoters will also be required to submit a return on their expenses to the Electoral Commission if they spend over $100,000, and there will be an overall limit on the amount that can be spent on referendum advertising of approximately $330,000. The bill also provides that expenditure on dual advertisements covering the election and referendums will count towards both the election and referendum advertising thresholds or limits. The bill also addresses some minor areas of difference from some rules applying to the election which reflect the nature of referendums. For example, there will be no preliminary count of any referendum votes on election day, to avoid delays to the preliminary count of the general election. Referendum results will be released with or following the official results of the general election. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EThe select committee process is very important, and I encourage all members of the public to have their say on the bill when the committee calls for submissions. With that, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u00223e128fcc12e44998b5ae7904310d06ab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e128fcc12e44998b5ae7904310d06ab\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E One of the parts of New Zealand that is just so special and so important is the quality of our democracy, how fair it is, and how long it has existed. What grieves me with this bill is that we have a power-grab from Government to take the decision about referendums away from this Parliament and the public to solely be decided by the Government and Cabinet. It is a disgrace, and members on this side of the House will fight this bill with every bone in our body and every step along the way because, actually, democracy and democratic values matter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EThis country of ours has had 20 referendums at the time of general elections\u201420 of those. For every single one of them, the wording, the content, has been determined by this Parliament\u2014166 years of heritage, and the Government wants to change the rules. I want to remind members opposite of what they said when we had a flag referendum in the last term of Government. The Labour spokesperson said this, and I quote: \u201CIt is absolutely essential that the wording and the referendum be determined by Parliament\u201D\u2014be determined by Parliament. This is how big of a joke it gets. The bill for that referendum went to a select committee. There were 750 submissions. We wanted to have a view about the wording on the flag referendum. The submitters were given five minutes each. Labour said it was a constitutional outrage that the public had only five minutes each to comment on the wording of the flag referendum, and yet they bring this bill to the Parliament that says the public will have absolutely no opportunity to even make a written submission, to have any input into the wording of a referendum. I reflect that the mother of all Parliaments, the UK, in their 380 years of Westminster parliamentary democracy have never had\u2014have never had\u2014a referendum that has not been through their Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EHere\u2019s the other part: the Government is saying, \u201CWe are going to decide whatever number, whatever issues, whatever wording we like for a referendum for the 2020 election.\u201D But if it\u2019s such good law, why is it not permanent law? They only want this to apply to themselves; they never want a National or future Government\u2014[Interruption]\u2014to have this power they\u2019re giving themselves. The Minister interjects. Well, why not make this permanent law? If it is such good law, let\u2019s make it permanent law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s come to the issue of cannabis and look where we\u2019ve got to on that issue. The Government was advised by officials that the proper referendum process was\u2014as for MMP, as for the flag, as for other referendums\u2014for it to have a comprehensive bill through the Parliament so Parliament knew exactly what it was voting for, and then for it to include a provision that said that there would be a referendum and that it would come into effect only in the event that the referendum was passed. We\u2019re not getting that. We\u2019re not even getting a say on the wording of the referendum that there will be on cannabis. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s be serious about why the wording and the process of referendums matters. There isn\u2019t a person in New Zealand or a member of this House that does not respect that words matter. I\u2019ll give you an example. This bill is going to be used to have a referendum on that key issue, that life and death issue, of euthanasia. If you ask the question in the opinion poll \u201CDo you support assisted suicide?\u201D, 75 percent of New Zealanders in opinion polls say no. If you say \u201CDo you support end of life choice?\u201D, 75 percent of New Zealanders say yes. So the wording of referenda is absolutely critical. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003ESecondly, actually, the referendums that are held at general elections affect turnout. If the Government\u2014and this bill would entitle them to it\u2014were to have a referendum on \u201CShould New Zealand declare a climate change emergency?\u201D, well, that would ensure that more Green voters came out. If they decided to have a referendum on whether Government debt should be limited to 20 percent, that would help get National supporters out. Let\u2019s not pretend that referendums that are held at elections do not have a constitutional and electoral effect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EHere\u2019s the other fact that\u2019s well written in political documentaries, and that is if you have a whole lot of referendums at the time of elections, it distracts voters away from the issues of whether the Government should be re-elected. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002216d36b7d894b4b399cc248acadca9b0e\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: How convenient.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022157269e5c467443aad342c40a0e6815c\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: And that is so convenient, as my colleague says, and that is why this Parliament, the British Parliament, and only except for a few authoritarian States, have always insisted that the decision on what referendums are conducted and what the wording shall be is an issue for Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253ebbbb63ca94597b73bec31ca26a2f2\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Hon Dr Nick Smith outraged?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b05dc787524454e94e94d47600c1ce6\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Now, let\u2019s just\u2014well, I say to the member opposite: would it be appropriate for the Government of the day just to have a referendum on whether we declare ourselves a republic? That would be quite possible under this bill. The Government may get under pressure next year and want a distraction. Let me put it this way: let\u2019s say National decided as a Cabinet that it was going to have a referendum to get rid of the M\u0101ori seats and not to give Parliament any say about whether such a referendum would be held\u2014and I note that is New Zealand First policy. Would that be OK for members opposite? The reality is that Parliament has an absolute right to have a say in the conduct of elections and in the content and the wording of those referendums. What this bill is doing is taking that power away from Parliament and providing it exclusively for the Government. Let\u2019s be clear: what the Government wants to do is deprive the 55 members on this side of the House from having any say in the wording of the referenda. Equally so, it is proposing to remove any opportunity for the public to have any say in those referenda.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI feel the interjections that are coming from the Government just show their level of ignorance and arrogance to the democratic values that go to the core of how our country should be governed. Here\u2019s my concern: why should the Parliament and the public be bound by the outcome of a referendum in which they had no say? So why should the public and the Parliament, as the Government said, be bound to the outcome of a referendum when they have had no say in the content, the questions, or the issues that go with the referendum?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EI challenge the conscience of members opposite, because the precedent that is being set here is a very dangerous one for our democracy. Every bill that has been introduced prior to this Government affecting election law and referenda has involved consultation with Opposition parties. Why is it that we now have had three bills in the term of this Parliament? The bill that gives the power for party leaders to dismiss members of Parliament from the House, an electoral law change\u2014zero consultation. The electoral law changes, including same-day enrolment in voting, were introduced without any consultation with the Opposition, and now there\u2019s this third issue, where, again, the Government thinks that electoral law and elections are a plaything for the Government of the day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003EWe are a country without a constitution. We rely on conventions and good behaviour. This is a crude power-grab that denies the right of Parliament and the public to have a say on the way in which elections and referenda are conducted. It is a disgraceful bill. It reflects incredibly poorly on the Minister and on the members of the Government, who want to deprive New Zealanders and this Parliament of their right to have a say on the way in which referenda and elections are conducted in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022bfe93d36533d4c4084057275c2f1edb5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bfe93d36533d4c4084057275c2f1edb5\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Just for the avoidance of doubt, the question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022 data-id=\u002286b974aa1edf43be9c542bcee5962890\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286b974aa1edf43be9c542bcee5962890\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN (Labour\u2014Dunedin South):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Well, Nick Smith has got two settings: off and full on. Everything is outrageous and disgraceful and unconstitutional\u2014blah, blah, blah. What a pity. What this means, though, is that the opportunity to have constructive debate and discussion is compromised by the overreactions, the deliberate misreading, and, actually, I hesitate to say\u2014and I\u2019m trying to phrase it in a way that won\u2019t be unparliamentary\u2014frankly, coming to this House with information that isn\u2019t necessarily based on fact.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll start with the fact that I\u2019ve now joined the Justice Committee, and I\u2019m looking forward to the debate on the discussion on this bill. If there are any changes that are needed to make it a better bill, let\u2019s have that constructive discussion at the select committee, which is a good and proper place for that to be held. I haven\u2019t had a lot of time to do this this week, but I went in and had a little bit of a look at the referendum process in New Zealand. I understand that legislation is always required for the holding of referendums in New Zealand, regardless of whether they\u2019re Government-initiated referendums, binding or non-binding, one-off, regular, or resulting from the process set out in the Citizens Initiated Referenda Act 1993.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EIn terms of the setting of questions for Government-initiated referendums, it appears to be, as the name suggests, the sole prerogative of the Government of the day, and it might be expected, where Government-initiated referendums are both binding and involve reserved provisions, that cross-party consultation takes place on the wording of referendum questions. However, when Government-initiated referendums are neither binding nor involve entrenched reserved provisions, such as with the proposed cannabis referendum, it\u2019s more likely that such consultation on wording takes place amongst Government coalition parties rather than across Parliament as a whole.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EBut guess what? Almost every sitting day in this House this year, there has been a consistent request, an invitation from particularly the Green member Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick, from the Prime Minister, and from the Minister of Justice, Andrew Little, to the National Party Opposition to join in a genuine attempt at cross-party consultation on drug reform in New Zealand\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4cf801a57224a92818355f371fff335\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not transparent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a2db0f778ce4bae82981c13c47a0d8a\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and what has been the response? What\u2019s been the response, Dr Smith?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b32d1960971042db81ad8edd52def99d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s no substitute for Parliament\u2014no substitute for Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b137fb33d95f477b9c8d923a47d15498\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s been the response, Dr Smith? Well, no answer to that question. The response has been no. It\u2019s been Paula Bennett looking down her nose at the prospect of Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick chairing such an august cross-party consultation, because she wasn\u2019t senior enough\u2014and why would Paula Bennett deign to be part of such a cross-party consultation? So when it was revealed that Andrew Little, as the senior Cabinet Minister, would chair it\u2014\u201COh, no, we\u2019re still not going to be a part of it, because we haven\u2019t seen more detail.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003ENow, in order to see that detail, in order to be party to the discussions about the question about the framing of the referendum, this was and is\u2014it still is, as far as I\u2019m aware\u2014the opportunity. The door is open for cross-party consultation on this matter, Dr Smith. We now have a framework bill, which can\u2019t contain the question, because it may be that there is more than one referendum, because this Government is actually getting on with quite a lot of things and progressing those matters. We need in place, Dr Smith, the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220781f069b17247949930a6c50432956d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: This is laughable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258066a8c63434cd7a18e8b40599cbcca\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN\u003C/span\u003E: Laughable? Well, Dr Smith, the laughable thing is when the Opposition claims that there has been no consultation when they have consistently been offered that around drug reform. I think the people of New Zealand would be very disappointed to hear that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EThis bill is important. It\u2019s another step in the coalition Government\u2019s promise, delivering on its promise to hold that referendum on the legalisation of the personal use of recreational cannabis at the 2020 general election. We\u2019ve already announced that there will be a yes/no question on that. There\u2019s been discussion on a possible other referendum on the End of Life Choice Bill. We\u2019ve developed this bill so that it can be used, and yet here we have the frothing-at-the-mouth Opposition spokesperson\u2014I\u2019m not sure what he\u2019s the spokesperson for\u2014talking about it as a power-grab and a disgrace, because that is basically the phraseology that he uses for pretty much everything.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003ESo, anyway, I\u2019m extending the invitation again today to the Opposition to please get involved. Be part of the consultation on this so that the people of New Zealand can actually feel as if their parties in Parliament are all participating in this important step forward on drug reform and how we can make it the best process possible. So, in order to do that, we need this framework bill, and we need to make it the best bill we can. It will go through a select committee process. It will also go to the Regulations Review Committee, which will be chaired by a National MP in order to provide that extra level of scrutiny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003EThis is fair. This is balanced. This is good process. It is not out of the ordinary. Can we\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ebeecb798f24c2e859ba579ca6095ca\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: When has it been done before?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219cd740459bc49dab070d6b05eda8d52\u0022\u003EHon CLARE CURRAN\u003C/span\u003E: Again, Nick Smith, get involved. Be part of the process. Don\u2019t stand on the outside, because your constituents and the people of New Zealand expect you to be part of this consultation process so it can be the best it can possibly be. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022 data-id=\u00227e43cb14f99847188219f5479ec1a37e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227e43cb14f99847188219f5479ec1a37e\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL (National\u2014Rodney):\u003C/span\u003E Well, that just about says it all. I can\u2019t say that I\u2019m proud or pleased to take a call on this Referendums Framework Bill. I have to say that the father of the House, the Hon Dr Nick Smith, stood and laid out for us in very, very clear terms\u2014he didn\u2019t play the person, he played the ball. He laid out for us in very clear terms how this bill is actually an attack on our democracy\u2014and it is an attack on our democracy without a doubt. I can assure you\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299f7876a5b774c9cbd2a5bf24cf61f67\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Oh rubbish.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9a0a045c50542649de054bfc94a5e2b\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Someone said, \u201COh rubbish.\u201D over there. I don\u2019t know who it was, but I don\u2019t know if you were here in the last term or you were here when we did have the flag referendum debate. I can assure you that if we as a National Government had not taken that process, which had to be a respectful process\u2014it had to be a process that the whole Parliament was involved in and engaged in. Actually, we didn\u2019t need to be lobbied over that. I think there was already a decision to just get on and do that. It was the right thing to do. If we hadn\u2019t, and if we had brought a bill like this to the House, which meant that we were going to cut the Labour Party, we were going to cut the Green Party, and we were going to cut New Zealand First out of the process, then there would have been cries of outrage. You know what? They would have been justified cries of outrage, because it would have meant that we were subverting a process that has always been carefully followed and acknowledged and observed by this Parliament for decades. This is unprecedented in terms of what\u2019s been introduced and the process that, now, they\u2019re trying to embark upon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t believe that Mr Greg O\u2019Connor meant this when he said it. I think it was said in the heat of the moment. This is what he said\u2014when the Hon Dr Nick Smith said that the Labour Party were trying to prevent 55 members of Parliament, the Opposition, in having a say on this bill, Mr O\u2019Connor said, \u201CThat\u2019s right.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256d3132211e244b88b47b19def751277\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: Oh rubbish.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229dcecc676cbf4ad1816d535a870a9289\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Who said that\u2019s rubbish? Go back and check the Hansard then, Marja Lubeck. If you check the Hansard, my hearing\u2019s pretty good, and I was looking at Mr O\u2019Connor, because he was making a fairly verbal personal attack on Dr Smith. He said, \u201CThat\u2019s right.\u201D So I would have to guess that that\u2019s probably reflective of this Government\u2019s attitude that they do want to deny the whole Parliament in having a say on this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b741fc992f1453f9fc12c51a01eefc9\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s called \u201Cverballing\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258e05f08395c41c8a50af2790e6c34f2\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Just remember, Mr O\u2019Connor, yes we are an Opposition, but we do have electorate cycles, and one day you\u2019ll be sitting over here, right? One day you\u2019ll be sitting over here. The other thing that I\u2019d remind you of is that the National Party is still the biggest elected party in this Parliament. We had over one million Kiwis that got behind us and supported us. You want to know what Dr Nick Smith is fighting for. He\u2019s fighting for their right for their representatives to have a say on something that isn\u2019t about our flag. Our flag was a very important issue\u2014make no mistake about that\u2014and it deserved the process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EThe flag issue was an important issue, but you know what? The decriminalisation of cannabis, I think, is a fairly significant issue for this country as well. We\u2019re talking about sending a message, as a nation, to the people of New Zealand that, actually, cannabis is going to be far more available. If you think that there won\u2019t be any harm, and if you think there won\u2019t be an increase in use of loose-leaf cannabis, I can assure you there will be. I take that as being deadly serious and something that is just as important as a referendum on the change of our flag.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b901f647f6714859b35986bc548e8145\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Let\u2019s leave cannabis with the gangs, Mr Mitchell!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b63106727377421ebcba8c46f757bb16\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, what was that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8570790ef7145db9f8d05e956254953\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Let the Head Hunters provide all the cannabis then!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b1cdff6b07c418187af4d82ab8072ac\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: Let the Head Hunters provide all the cannabis? So that\u2019s the response. So that\u2019s the nuanced response from the other side? \u201CLet the Head Hunters provide the cannabis.\u201D That\u2019s the level of argument and debate that we\u2019re going to. I\u2019d expect more from you, Mr O\u2019Connor. This is an extremely serious issue for our country. In fact, for me personally, I think it\u2019s one of the most important issues that we face as a nation: whether or not we\u2019re going to make a massive change in our approach to what is a harmful substance and what we know especially affects our young people\u2014all those up to 25.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI wasn\u2019t intending to talk about this, because it\u2019s very personal to me, but I lost my brother. I lost my brother because he was suffering, yes. He was bipolar. Yes, we had enormous support around him as a family, but do you know what the real aggravating issue was for him? And you can get any member of my family up here or any of his friends and they\u2019ll tell you that it was cannabis\u2014it was cannabis. It was cannabis that was a contributing driver and factor for my brother, who was on the coastguard, he was outgoing. There are two years between us. We were very close. He wrote a letter to his family, and he went down to Mairangi Bay, where we grew up as kids, and he swam out and he kept swimming. We found him washed up at Rangitoto Island.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI can tell you now: the aggravating factor, the thing that made his condition worse, was the consumption and use of loose-leaf cannabis. I wish that we could have stopped that, and I wish that we could have taken it away. And, yes, the police do a great job in the \u201Cwar on drugs\u201D as you like to call it. In my view, we\u2019re going to make a terrible, terrible decision as a country if we turn around next year and we say that we\u2019re going to decriminalise or legalise or liberalise\u2014whatever you want to call it\u2014loose-leaf cannabis. I don\u2019t know how families and parents\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208b4a9068df4438aac219c70d6af5d18\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Can we talk about the bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226eb52eb7c7934dadac1f7307e7d79985\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s absolutely right. I\u2019m sorry. Thank you, Mr Speaker, for letting me speak, because I have got off the bill slightly, but this is about the process. This is about the process of making that decision. The last speaker, Clare Curran\u2014who is a senior member, and I acknowledge her, and she\u2019s just come on to the committee\u2014spent most of her speech making an attack on the Hon Dr Nick Smith instead of actually talking to the bill and actually explaining to us how this is going to work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c153f22803a44b95bb9ecc051dd18312\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: Actually, I learned something from that speech. So far we haven\u2019t learnt anything from your side.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc2cb42a8a014352ad30fe241c77ea31\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: So the member at the back there, Marja Lubeck, has got a lot to say. I hope that she\u2019s going to take a call, and I hope that she\u2019s going to explain to us why they\u2019re subverting the process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EThey keep talking about these working groups. I\u2019ll tell you how we feel about that on this side of the House, because we\u2019ve got a proud history of working across party, especially when it comes to national security, foreign affairs, and defence matters. We work across party and we\u2019ll continue to do that, but this is what we feel about these working groups: these working groups are a smokescreen to subvert the proper parliamentary process. You\u2019re trying to use these working groups\u2014and you put them up there as this amazing, democratic process\u2014as a smokescreen so that you can trick the people of New Zealand into thinking that this is cross-party and there\u2019s full engagement. You\u2019re subverting the process. You\u2019re subverting the ability for it to be able to come back into this Parliament and for people to be able to make a decision. That\u2019s how we see the use of these working groups that the Government keeps standing up and promoting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like someone in the Government benches to stand up and take a call and tell us why you are not going to commit to and stick with that process. I\u2019d like someone in the Government to tell me that the comments that the deputy leader of the Labour Party, Kelvin Davis, made in the House today, when he said that the Regulations Review Committee was going to be given the mandate to be able to veto or change any of the wording around this referendum. I don\u2019t believe that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022134424912cf749599266403c8d932782\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not true. That\u2019s false.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ccfae56b4f96424b9101538e40642410\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t believe that for a minute. That will not happen; that cannot happen. That was a false statement, I agree. I challenge anyone in the Government to be able to stand and take a call and explain to me how this is a stronger, a more robust, a more democratic, and a more engaging process that you\u2019re following than every previous Government and the process that every previous Government before this Government has followed. Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed6b02fcc88d458cb5ad488fde0b3d6b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed6b02fcc88d458cb5ad488fde0b3d6b\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I stand as the newly elected chairperson of the Justice Committee. I want to thank the members for their support and, I guess, share the passion which all members on this tired committee have for something as important as this particular bill. I listened both to the speakers from the Opposition\u2014both Dr Smith and Mark Mitchell\u2014around their concerns around the bill, and calling on Government members to make it clear why we aren\u2019t coming to this House with the question. I guess, in terms of this particular bill, it is required for us to, obviously, put in the legislative framework to conduct a referendum, which this Government has made very clear what we\u2019re going to do in terms of the general election next year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBut some of the statements from that side of the House that I need to correct are this belief that apparently there\u2019s a convention that we, actually, bring the referendum question to this House. There isn\u2019t one. There is no conventional way in setting referendum questions to the House. There isn\u2019t. But despite that, we reached out to all parties in this House, and we reached out to all parties in the House to participate in the referendum around recreational use of marijuana\u2014not once, not twice, not three times, but multiple times. The offer is still open to members on that side of the House to participate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWe all make decisions as members of this House whether to participate in decision-making processes of this Government or not, but you cannot come to this House and say you were not involved. You cannot claim an innocent position of having no knowledge of us doing this question behind closed doors. You cannot come to this House, Mr Speaker, and claim that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280f5b8c3b1704b0bb48201ebbe81db3b\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: I think I need to come to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227db8e19076224eff99ad6833b6fbb75b\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014sorry, Mr Speaker. No members in this House can claim that they have been left out of the designing of the law reforms that this Government is presenting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I stand, obviously, on this side of the House, to support the bill that the Minister has put in front of us, and it makes complete sense that we look at rationalising the general election in terms of laying out the expectations of this bill. It also makes it clear around the advertising expectations of the bill passing. But it\u2019s 1 August today. The Minister, in his speech, said that he was looking forward to it coming back on 11 November. That\u2019s 3\u00BD months. That\u2019s 3\u00BD months\u2019 time where we will canvass the views of submitters, and we look forward\u2014I do, as the chair of the Justice Committee\u2014to making sure that we are hearing from people around the importance of setting a framework to enable the referendum around recreational use of marijuana.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve also flagged what\u2019s in the House at the moment, the whole committee of the House, in terms of the End of Life Choice Bill, which, potentially, also could be engaged in that. On this side of the House, we\u2019re a hard-working Government. We want to ensure that we enable the general public to have their say on two very critical issues that we are debating, and I think no one\u2014nobody in this House\u2014should actually have an issue with going to the general public and seeking their views. So this to me is quite a simple bill, and we are going to have different views\u2014we\u2019ve heard it from both sides\u2014but all I want to address, as a member of this House, and as the chair of the committee, is we cannot say that we weren\u2019t involved. That\u2019s all I\u2019m saying, and we\u2019ve had debates on that side of House that claim there is a convention; there isn\u2019t one. They claim that they haven\u2019t been involved; they\u2019ve been invited, and, like I said, like our previous speakers have said, the door is still open. Dr Smith, Mr Mitchell, the Hon Paula Bennett; they can name whoever they want. They can bring all three of them if they want, because it\u2019s important, like I said, for the coalition Government to make sure that all parties\u2019 views have been canvassed when it comes to our law reforms and, particularly, around this referendum question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIt is a simple bill. I am looking forward to it going out for wider consultation. I\u2019m looking forward to the heated debate that\u2019s absolutely going to come from this select committee\u2014absolutely going to look forward to it. It is the passion of the members to ensure that we scrutinise this particular bill, but it\u2019s also an important process on ensuring the public have their say on a critical issue. I\u2019m really pleased and stand in support of this. I\u2019m looking forward to it being advertised widely throughout the country, and if that side feels that it\u2019s not adequate, then I look forward to them promoting it and getting people in front of the select committee. It\u2019s a time to have the voices of the public.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThis bill is a simple bill. I\u2019m looking forward to people submitting and to getting to a position where we can come back to this House to enable the general public to have a say on the critical issue around the recreational use of marijuana and, potentially, the End of Life Choice Bill. We stand for democracy on this side. We understand the importance of the general public\u2019s participation in critical decisions that we are taking to them to consider. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022 data-id=\u0022664f881cdc1f425f92cb0c778eb9090f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022664f881cdc1f425f92cb0c778eb9090f\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE (National\u2014Hamilton West):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. Let me begin on a positive note, and that is that I would like to congratulate the Hon Meka Whaitiri on her election this morning as the chair of our Justice Committee, and also the Hon Dr Nick Smith, who, last week, was elected as deputy chair, and I hope that the deliberations of our committee will be well led by those two members of Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003ESadly, that is the only positive thing that I am able to say in this speech, on this bill\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279bf50c274944347986790effd8bff92\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re a positive man, Tim.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af6a7c0aaf1242539682b7ed1189346a\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014thank you, Mr Brown\u2014because this bill is a constitutional outrage and a travesty\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e638d6c773ab40d0b71c062949e18db1\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Where have we heard that before?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022119e4c25938d4b18811ae49ce325ea06\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t use those words lightly. It is a constitutional outrage, and Mr O\u2019Connor is aware of that\u2014or, at least, he should be\u2014given his previous career in law enforcement in this country, because this bill is reminiscent of the process and the threat to our democratic freedoms that this Government also demonstrated last year in ramming their vile and grossly misnamed Electoral (Integrity) Amendment Act 2018\u2014better known, of course, as the \u201CWaka-jumping Bill\u201D or, probably even more appropriately, the \u201CDon\u2019t dare disagree with Winston if you want to remain a New Zealand First MP Bill\u201D\u2014through this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EI listened very carefully to the Hon Dr Nick Smith\u2019s very precise and apposite questions to the Minister of Justice in question time this afternoon. The answers given by the Acting Minister were dreadful. It is deeply disturbing that this Government, which failed to get a mandate itself at the last election, is so willing to trash our important constitutional conventions and protections when they took the moral high ground, time after time, over far less significant matters when they were last in Opposition. Dr Smith and the Hon Mark Mitchell have clearly articulated many of the deep concerns that National members have, and why we so strongly oppose this appalling breach of parliamentary process. For a referendum question on any deeply controversial issue to be determined by the Cabinet rather than by the Parliament is an indefensible abuse of Cabinet power. And when the Hon Meka Whaitiri was trying to suggest otherwise a few moments ago, it made me worry that she doesn\u2019t yet understand the significant responsibilities that she has now taken on as the new chair of the Justice Committee. I encourage her, over the next week or so, to do a bit of studying of basic constitutional law in this country, because she will see that the point I am making is a very important one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s well known that the three parties that make up the current coalition Government are at loggerheads on this cannabis issue, but to try to conceal that disunity and confusion through this terrible measure adds insult to injury. How on earth can New Zealanders be expected to study the issues associated with legalising marijuana for recreational purposes carefully when no legislation will have been passed before the referendum, meaning that they will not know exactly what they are voting for and that the select committee in the next Parliament could recommend changes that distort the collective decision that New Zealanders will make in the referendum next year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard a lot of smokescreens from Government parties and their increasingly active supporters on social media, particularly with some ludicrous comments attempting to rewrite the history surrounding the flag referendum debate and referendum that was conducted during the term of the previous Parliament. Well, to the people who are attempting to do that, let me repeat two important points. The first is that all the details of that flag referendum were thoroughly debated in this House and adopted by this Parliament well before that referendum was held. And, secondly, the idea that that referendum was in any way unjustified is nonsense. Not only did the National Party but also the Labour Party and the Green Party all campaign in 2014 with policy that promised New Zealanders a referendum on whether we should retain the current flag or make a change. So when Labour and the Greens subsequently decided to oppose that measure after they had been elected into the last Parliament, they were betraying the voters who supported them on that issue. Ms Tinetti is looking a little bit puzzled by that, but let me encourage her to go and look at her own party\u2019s manifesto and she will see that Labour and the Greens promised New Zealanders to hold a referendum on the flag issue, and the social media trolls who constantly try to suggest that it was a John Key vanity project and that New Zealanders didn\u2019t want it consistently ignore that; they are not telling the truth, and the truth needs to be reiterated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EWell, as Dr Smith noted earlier, the wording of a referendum question is often crucial in influencing the outcome, and that\u2019s why New Zealanders need to know as soon as possible, preferably today, what the question they will be asked to answer in New Zealand\u2019s recreational marijuana referendum will be, so that the debate may begin, so that the information they\u2019ll need to consider may be obtained and put out for the public through public information campaigns, and so that the international experience of countries like Canada and states within the United States and elsewhere may be considered. They\u2019ve been through this issue. We deserve\u2014we need\u2014to know what their experience has been in order to make the best decision for New Zealand at the referendum next year. And yet, without even knowing what the question will be, without the Parliament having the opportunity to adopt that process, New Zealanders are denied that constitutional, that important democratic right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022107fa66461bf49d6a2e3384e05feec63\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Ignored on end of life.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229838671be6364e9ca823629652795d4d\u0022\u003EHon TIM MACINDOE\u003C/span\u003E: Government members have attempted to minimise\u2014and Mr O\u2019Connor is doing it now\u2014the obnoxious nature of this bill and to trivialise the constitutional objections that my colleagues and I are advancing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EWell, despite the trite interjections that we are having to endure and the ad hominem attacks, particularly that we\u2019ve heard in the last three quarters of an hour directed at Dr Smith, Government members have not refuted or, worse, even acknowledged the concerns that Mark Mitchell and Nick Smith and now I have been articulating. But they cannot ignore the fact that this is absolutely undemocratic\u2014for a Cabinet to choose a referendum question, bypassing the parliamentary process\u2014and that is why it\u2019s never been done before. I challenge the next Government speaker to acknowledge the fact that there have been 20 referenda in 166 years of parliamentary democracy in New Zealand, and this is the first time that Parliament hasn\u2019t decided the wording of the question to be asked. Will the Green MP who is, I think, next to speak acknowledge that point? I hope, if it\u2019s either Mr Hughes or Ms Ghahraman, that one of them will acknowledge that point. Will any Government MP explain and attempt to defend that fact. Well, no, of course they won\u2019t, because they can\u2019t. Yet, the stain on their record will be permanent\u2014worse, the undermining of our democracy that is now the mantra of this Government will do lasting damage to the fabric of our nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EAs Mark Mitchell noted, the answer given in the House today that the Regulations Review Committee would be able to fulfil the role of Parliament in scrutinising this bill is fatuous. I was on that select committee for three years. I was deputy chair for part of the term between 2008 and 2011. The idea that the Regulations Review Committee will be able to represent the entire Parliament in scrutinising this is nonsense. Why? Well, firstly, because very few people are even aware of its existence; secondly, because very few MPs are on that committee; and, thirdly, because that committee operates, by convention, consensually. Well, this is one of the most divisive issues of all time. The idea of getting consensus in the Regulations Review Committee is absolute nonsense and, as Dr Smith said, most importantly, is after the event. There is no consensus on this measure. Few MPs, let alone members of the public, will listen to their deliberations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003EI repeat what I said at the outset: this bill is dangerous practice. It is indicative of a shoddy Government which is indulging in a constitutional outrage. I hope that New Zealanders will make their concerns known to the select committee, because, obviously, the Government members have the numbers to pass this bill at its first reading. I strongly encourage New Zealanders to make their concerns known to the select committee in the hope\u2014possibly a fairly slim hope, but in the hope\u2014that we can persuade Government members to retract from this dangerous measure and to do the right thing by New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022 data-id=\u00224833d532cbd849b0b850d2ce179aa6b3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224833d532cbd849b0b850d2ce179aa6b3\u0022\u003EGOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I would like to open by acknowledging the impassioned cries of the honourable member Mr Macindoe. But I am, I must admit, a little bit confused by the series of Opposition speeches on this bill. It would appear that the Opposition is confused about whether this bill addresses a specific referendum or what it in fact does, which is to set out the mechanics of any referendum that may come up in the 2020 election cycle. For that reason, it is very confusing to hear the Opposition call repeatedly for specific questions. We are setting out the mechanics of referenda.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EWe know, as the Minister has already announced, that there will be one referendum at least; that will address the cannabis issue. The Minister has said that this will be a yes or no question. This is a win that emanates from the Green Party\u2019s confidence and supply agreement with the Government, where we do think that New Zealanders should have an opportunity to debate and to have a say on whether or not recreational use of cannabis will be legalised, though regulated, in New Zealand. We know that is one referendum. It\u2019s very odd to seek to have a piece of legislation that is aimed at setting out the mechanics and the administration of referenda generally to address a particular referendum. That isn\u2019t how legislation works. It would be a very blunt tool if it were.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EThe previous speaker actually called on the Hon Meka Whaitiri to look into constitutional law. I actually have studied constitutional law. In fact, I have practised constitutional law. There is no such thing as this breach of constitutional norm that has been cried across this House all afternoon when it comes to the setting of the question. The idea is that this bill, like any bill, will go to public consultation\u2014as all bills do\u2014through the select committee process. The public will have a say. They will look at this bill. They will be shocked, as I am, that it actually addresses the mechanics generally of referenda, not a particular referendum. They will be confused by the speeches, if they look at them at all, that have occurred this afternoon. After having their say in that, they will continue on in the democratic process to have a say when the referendums are put to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EIn fact, in this House we\u2019ve had an exceptional level of engagement\u2014or at least we\u2019ve sought to have an exceptional level of engagement from across the House\u2014by holding the cross-party working group on cannabis legalisation. We\u2019ve invited the Opposition repeatedly\u2014repeatedly\u2014to join that group. They have refused to join the group. They have breached the democratic process, you might think, because the process was about input. It wasn\u2019t about some cursory debate that might happen on one occasion. It has been going on for months, for hours and hours, for days. I know, because my colleague Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick has been coordinating that group.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EThere have been questions in the House that could have been answered easily by the Opposition had they actually attended those meetings. Every other party has; just not the National Party. What respect do they show for democratic process?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e6c4f92f2e14b02bbe8766fb3dab35f\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand First was not there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222d7a92443274bb89fb98a28a8f2b8e4\u0022\u003EGOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN\u003C/span\u003E: I will actually correct that. New Zealand First has engaged with the Government partners and with the Green Party on this issue. Only the National Party hasn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003ENow I\u2019ll move on to a part of the bill that is about democracy, that I do deeply care about, which is about the way that we regulate the use of big money in our democracy\u2014the transparency of political donations; the limits on the way that money can affect the democratic process. I am so proud that this bill has actually placed proper limits on that. We\u2019ve seen across the globe that democracy has been perverted by the insertion of money that\u2019s there anonymously, that is there at extreme extents. That curtails the ability of ordinary citizens from actually accessing democracy, because we don\u2019t all have the kind of money to put into advertising, for example, and to donate to politicised groups or political parties when it comes to elections, including referenda.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EBut this bill actually sets all of that out, so we do have limits to promoters that do have to be registered. We\u2019ve got the advertising donation and spend limits that we, as the Green Party, argued strongly for, and I\u2019m pleased to have that there. I do hope that we move forward\u2014from this agreement, as a Government, that big money does need to be kept out of democracy\u2014to introducing proper limits and standards of transparency in terms of all our political donations, because that is an area that New Zealand is vulnerable in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003EAgain, because of the global context of not only anonymous donations but the freedom of information in terms of online forums and fake news and where all of this comes from in terms of corporate sponsorship, it is an area that this bill moves us forward in in terms of security and a safety net and that I hope to see the Government work further on in terms of also adopting some of what I\u2019ve put forward in my separate democracy bill\u2014the electoral amendment bill that is a member\u2019s bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022abf27403-4392-47c9-9af0-6773753e95cb\u0022\u003ESo I do commend this bill to the House. It does stand for democracy. It breaches no constitutional norm, and I look forward to the referendum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u00228c87e401a6354a58a1cce090cd98f3fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c87e401a6354a58a1cce090cd98f3fa\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Helensville):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise to speak on the Referendums\u2014which should be \u201CReferenda\u201D\u2014Framework Bill. It\u2019s wrong from the very first word onwards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI too did study constitutional law, but you don\u2019t need a public law honours degree to understand that at clause 8, which is within Part 2 Subpart 1 of this legislation, the point that Golriz Ghahraman was making is absolutely fundamentally wrong. What we are doing here today is setting out a procedure to take away the substance of subsequent referenda from this House, from this Parliament, and that is what is so egregious about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThere is no limit in terms of the scope, the type, or the nature of referenda that could be subject to this bill. Dr Nick Smith has made the very good point that, if this is such good law, why should it have an expiry at the 2020 general election? I think we know the answer to that question. If it is such good law, it should remain on the books and not just for a specific time when a specific set of parties can make specific laws, essentially, that set out specific questions to be decided for their specific benefit. There are at least a couple of referenda that could become subject to this bill. At least one of them will be binding, at least as it\u2019s contemplated at the moment, and that is the point that the Hon Clare Curran seems to have missed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThis will indeed bind future Governments, future Parliaments, more to the point. The wording of referenda is so important. It can influence the answer to a question, the way that the question is put. Every single member of this House knows that. Every single member of the House knows that the way that a polling question is framed\u2014and it is about framing. It\u2019s about the language that\u2019s used. It could be, for example, in the realm of euphemisms that are used that don\u2019t make clear exactly what is at stake for the average voter, the average person going to the polls who is juggling a number of different considerations\u2014including, and especially, at a general election, where they have multiple different considerations\u2014and the potential for confusion with wording that is not particularly clear, whether deliberately or not, is very high indeed. That is the whole point about what we are doing here today and we will continue to do on this side of the House. We will continue to fight for the democratic right of New Zealanders for their House of Representatives\u2014their representatives, which includes all the House, to have a say on matters that are important\u2014so that then, in turn, the public can have their say. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EA constitutional lesson for this place for those who seem to have forgotten the basic nature of our constitutional arrangements: we have three branches of Government. They are separate, or should be largely so. We have an executive, whose actions should be scrutinised by the legislative branch. That\u2019s Parliament. We also have a judiciary, which we can leave out of the debate at this stage. Another name for the legislative branch, or Parliament, is the House of Representatives. It is all the representatives of this place who should have a say in decision making, for example, and in particular the wording of referenda, because it is so important. A cross-party working group and the Regulations Review Committee is not representative of the whole place, and there are specific limitations with using that as an excuse to avoid parliamentary democracy. There are a couple of very specific points that I will make in relation to that shortly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EAnother name for Parliament, another name for the legislative branch, is the debating chamber, if we\u2019re talking about this particular place in which we are now. So when we hear about the opportunity for discussions and debates in relation to, for example, legalising cannabis, if that\u2019s what\u2019s to be put forward, a good place to have the debate, you would think, would be the debating chamber. The clue is in the name. It\u2019s about scrutiny. It\u2019s about the chance to examine the wording of a proposed referendum. Now, it might be that the Government parties\u2019 views would prevail because they have the majority in this place\u2014that much is obvious\u2014but at least those of us who have an interest in representing the views of all the people of New Zealand who voted at the last general election would have a chance to say that, and would have a chance to examine for errors that might be made in perfectly good faith. It might not be about screwing the scrum but might be that discussion would disclose and expose errors or shortfalls in the thinking of those who had put forward such a referendum question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo it\u2019s about examination but it\u2019s also about transparency. We\u2019ve heard today in question time, in answer to questions by the Hon Dr Nick Smith, I think, to the Hon Kelvin Davis, about this. The rather glib response was that the Regulations Review Committee would have a chance to look at it. Well, that\u2019s all very well, but the consideration of the Regulations Review Committee is not publicised in the way that the debating chamber\u2019s proceedings are; it\u2019s not on Parliament TV. It is confidential in that place, likewise with the cross-party group of which we\u2019ve heard so much in relation to the cannabis question. In fact, if the cross-party group\u2014and I look forward to catching the eye of some members of the House opposite\u2014is designed specifically to be a confidential set of proceedings that might be a term on which National Party participation is invited, then that\u2019s a breach of faith with the New Zealand people whose representatives are in this place\u2014all across the Parliament, all across this House, supposedly, of Representatives. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo this is an extraordinary thing, and I say \u201Cextraordinary\u201D in the pure sense that it is outside the ordinary. It is extra to the ordinary way of things, whereby such an important thing as the wording of a referendum question would not be debated and thrashed out in the debating chamber. It is extraordinary in that sense; it is a departure from convention. Members opposite, members on the Government side, have said there is no such convention. It just so happens that every time so far in our entire democratic history it\u2019s always been the case that it\u2019s come to Parliament. Well, I don\u2019t think you could get a more pure example of a convention than that\u2014that is exactly what a convention means. It\u2019s always happened before; suddenly it\u2019s come to an end. That\u2019s one level on which the conventions have been breached. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256cd9cdc9aed41be85a49844bf9eaa33\u0022\u003EHon Tracey Martin\u003C/span\u003E: It just means it\u2019s never been done before. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0a46b20d6ea40bda9956d39556f0745\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: As recently as the last Parliament, Ms Martin. I suppose that you will remember those comments that you and your colleagues made, but perhaps not\u2014perhaps it\u2019s not convenient. Perhaps, too, you\u2019ve forgotten the other convention, which is that electoral law legislation has some kind of degree of buy-in across the House, at least by having an opportunity for the Opposition to be involved in those discussions. Anything different from that would be to risk the appearance of screwing the scrum and organising the rules of the game for the benefit of some players who are acting as the self-appointed referees. That is exactly what we are having here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ELet me make another couple of comments about the idea that sending a referendum proposal to the Regulations Reviews Committee would be sufficient scrutiny\u2014such that it\u2019s worthy of being a replacement for the whole House of Representatives. Well, a rubber stamp that\u2019s held by more than one hand is still a rubber stamp. The whole point of select committees normally is that it\u2019s an additional check on the executive. It\u2019s not a substitute for the first, the second, and the third readings, with a committee stage in between. It\u2019s an important part thereof, but it\u2019s not an either/or\u2014at least, not normally. It\u2019s a place, too, where expert submissions can be made on the particular thing that\u2019s in front of the select committee. But will that be the case for the Regulations Reviews Committee? I\u2019m not a member of that committee usually, and I\u2019ve never been on that select committee as a substitute and heard submissions from the public on specific questions such as what\u2019s being proposed would come before them. So, again, it\u2019s an exercise in excluding public participation by general members of the New Zealand public who may be very concerned, and expert members of the New Zealand public who might have a particular view on a particular area that\u2019s before them. The wording, as I say, would be important for those expert people and those concerned citizens who we want to participate in democracy, who we want to be involved, who we want to be engaged, who we want to have their say, and they will not have that opportunity. That is not just undemocratic, that is anti-democratic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EAllow me to conclude by reiterating the opposition that we, on this side of the House, have to the notion that there should be a piece of legislation in front of the House that would preclude the need for other pieces of legislation to provide such important decisions, such as the wording of referenda on life and death matters\u2014for example, the End of Life Choice Bill, whatever the views of the members of the House on that might be and whatever the views of the New Zealand public might be\u2014and other matters of such importance as the legalisation or decriminalisation of drugs. The importance of that has been underscored, were that necessary, by the personal stories shared this afternoon with some considerable courage by the Hon Mark Mitchell. I acknowledge others in this House will have similar stories too. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESuch important details as the wording of the question to be put to the people of New Zealand for a binding or near-binding decision to be made in a complicated, complex environment\u2014such as the general election with many decisions to be made\u2014of profound importance to this place as a House of Representatives should not be delegated, should not be dismissed in this way. It\u2019s not just undemocratic, it is anti-democratic, and I will join with every member on this side of the House in fighting it tooth and nail.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u002272cebfd9aa8b47c0962ecf4cfaa10f52\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272cebfd9aa8b47c0962ecf4cfaa10f52\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call. I call Greg O\u2019Connor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022ce4b97b8cd8b4eb8a4791e450f4447a0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ce4b97b8cd8b4eb8a4791e450f4447a0\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. As a child growing up I was an avid reader. One of my favourite fables, or stories, was about the boy who cried wolf. That was a story about a lad who for fun, for any reason, was an alarmist, and people eventually just stopped believing him. I\u2019d point to Dr Nick Smith\u2014there will be people sitting at home, those who are used to watching parliamentary TV. They\u2019ll be familiar with Dr Smith standing and being absolutely outraged about proposals. Any proposal, in fact\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022224e5802cbab4b218435cff9693bfe28\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. In my 10-minute contribution, I did not choose to personally denigrate other members; I focused on the content of the bill. This is the fourth Government speaker whose large concentration of their speech has not been on the bill but has been on a personal attack on myself. I\u2019d ask you to do your role as Speaker and ask the member to focus on the bill and to cease the personal attacks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9632da85e8446faad390ada90b1df6a\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: This debate has been wide ranging, and members on both sides have contributed in a robust manner, both in their contributions and in their interjections. I take the father of the House\u2019s point and encourage members to at least refer to the bill rather than to other members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c846b5e269a4ec28423ad9d8a961aa2\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s a shame that the member did interrupt me, because I was about to go on\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293372649fd5449148715fbde20e7c38d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! No. Just carry on with your speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca0f79b386aa4eb388b876933a72967a\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Well, yes, Mr Speaker. I\u2019ll say that the quality of the arguments by the Opposition around this whole issue is based, clearly, on a belief of an absolute necessity to be seen to be outraged by anything that\u2019s proposed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022246ce7bcfd9149eab261b63851b192b2\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: 166 years of democracy\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1776a2dda8549da88d4992e6687c5f8\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: But, anyway, I\u2019ll move on. The speakers opposite have talked about democracy, and I think it\u2019s very good that some of the later speakers did concentrate on democracy\u2014it\u2019s where this argument actually belongs. One of the most democratic and admired democratic countries in the world is Switzerland. Now, Switzerland: anyone who understands anything about their system of Government, will know that referenda feature highly, and that relatively few decisions\u2014if any\u2014that are going to affect any of the cantons or any individual are conducted or put into being without a suitable form of referenda.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EWe talk about evolution, and what we\u2019re seeing now is\u2014I think, even the way that our MMP Government is working\u2014I think for the first time we\u2019ve got a true, democratic MMP Government, something that I think the Opposition are finding quite frustrating, the fact that we do continue to work together. This is another really good example of when three parties\u2014relatively disparate parties\u2014can come together and end up looking at a situation, looking at a policy, particularly around this, and through the use of the democratic system can come together for the best result for New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ENow, the best result for New Zealanders, obviously, is going to be for them to make the final decision. In doing so, it\u2019s important that you can\u2019t just have a referendum; what you\u2019ve got to do is make sure that you\u2019ve got a very good framework around it. So you can\u2019t just start and go to the crease; you\u2019ve got to start by building up\u2014and part of the build up to that is always going to be to ensure that there is as much cooperation as possible at every level, which is why the Opposition were invited to be part of the development of policy on this. They have chosen not to; it\u2019s clear where their politics on this are, because they\u2019ve got a member in charge of, basically, anti-cannabis referenda, the Hon Paula Bennett. Now, it becomes very difficult when you paint yourself into a corner, when that is actually one of the mainstays, and most days in the House, there\u2019s a question coming from that member related to that particular topic. Well, it makes it very difficult, then, to be part of what is an evolving, and becoming a much more effective, democratic process. The very democratic processes which we are now going to put in place\u2014put the framework around. This bill, Mr Speaker, is about ensuring that we have a good, solid framework, so that when we do go to the people, when we do go and undertake the democratic process, they are going to get the best information.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ENow, it\u2019s a shame that the Opposition have chosen not to be part of this, unfortunately. I do give absolute respect to the Hon Mark Mitchell for his presentation and sharing some very personal knowledge here. But, unfortunately, that\u2019s not the point. The point is not about how, clearly, he has a strong view of what the outcome of the referenda should be; that\u2019s not what the point of this debate is. The point of this debate is about ensuring that, when we do get to that, it\u2019s how we get there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo this is about a democratic process. The Electoral Commission will have oversight of this. We\u2019ve talked about the Regulations Review Committee, who will actually have the opportunity\u2014in fact, chaired by a member of the Opposition\u2014to have a say on this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo for those looking at home, you may find\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00229a1183af386f43f98eac8bd4b0d8d584\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229a1183af386f43f98eac8bd4b0d8d584\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u002274408a253f7e4a28aab93c17e76f5783\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002274408a253f7e4a28aab93c17e76f5783\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E New Zealand has a proud tradition of democracy. We are one of the oldest and fairest democracies in the world, and we cherish that out of respect\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022085a5718ba2e4096814db9301036fd7e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022085a5718ba2e4096814db9301036fd7e\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry to interrupt the member, but this debate is interrupted and is set down for resumption next sitting day. The House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. on Tuesday, 6 August 2019.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20190801328ff4b329044e8f8ce3a5b7723faf67000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 6 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"