"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225e4f88abd8bc40029cc2c74a150b0154\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 25 SEPTEMBER 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c704b3559391486ebbfa736cfc2d588f\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 25 SEPTEMBER 2019\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000004\u0022\u003EPrayers.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e53c4f133264494f8d4e34e4062477a0\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002293c5ec7da2c1434084c662107ce6d662\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002294a1c863c75a4123958da21b9e292c7f\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Internal Affairs\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd22675c42474d4aa85030b51cde6d3a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd22675c42474d4aa85030b51cde6d3a\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Internal Affairs: Does she have confidence in the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse in Care?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002236c8c596-d890-4cca-9767-1eeb5c9ce710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb8285f27a234b5396a77825d245a97b\u0022\u003EDarroch Ball\u003C/span\u003E: Same question as yesterday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e4fdd0a2a8d4dd0a3e6b7bf166d84db\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Tracey Martin is answering the question, Mr Ball.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u00224829f9ee7f504f45ac38f9bbd8cb5560\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224829f9ee7f504f45ac38f9bbd8cb5560\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Minister of Internal Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E I certainly don\u2019t want this answer to be taken as being flippant, but I think it is the best way to describe my level of confidence. If we were talking about a score between zero, which is \u201Cabsolutely no confidence\u201D, and 10, which would be \u201Cabsolute confidence\u201D, I would have to say that right now I am sitting at a five, and I\u2019m hoping that the meeting at 3.30 today with the commissioner will lift that level of confidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e616c902cce4246a195ca24d6813f5f\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does she think the royal commission has abided by its terms of reference, which say the royal commission should \u201Cdo no harm\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022496cbb4ba53f4635a3f0919cb4495c57\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I think that\u2019s an exceptionally good question, and that is a question that I am going to have to put to the royal commission of inquiry at 3.30 today, because that is part of the responsibilities I do have. It\u2019s one of the areas where I believe I have a requirement to ensure that if I feel that they have not and I can produce evidence for Cabinet, and therefore for the Executive Council, I have a responsibility to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022667991aa61d94b28b5e0d838268a1924\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: When she meets with Commissioner Paul Gibson this afternoon, will she seek explanations about why there was no vetting of the paedophile associated with the survivors\u2019 advocacy group and why Mr Gibson took no immediate actions when he knew the man had convictions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022890be58b41594040b1befaa5b6aa159b\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, that will be among the questions that I will be putting to the royal commission. I do not know if Mr Gibson himself will be there. The royal commission has asked to see me. I do not know how many members will come. I am definitely expecting the chair. But I do want to take on board that 14,000 survivors so far have actually signed up to give evidence. Each one of those survivors has the capacity to bring one or two support people with them. So I do take on board some of the comments in the media domain that there are some logistics to this, but it definitely is a question I will be asking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5d9577b206449529209beeb2a5fb4fa\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Doesn\u2019t Mr Gibson, as the critical commissioner in charge of the survivors\u2019 advocacy group, need to be there, and shouldn\u2019t she request that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da829cc437c240ac8e1cb334dfbd26ea\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: As I mentioned yesterday, because it\u2019s an independent royal commission of inquiry, I cannot enforce or demand or require.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b78083a5fad14eedac4380ad3158dfe9\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Of course you can.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231f4381187304d5592870d78a4c9ee1a\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I cannot\u2014I cannot. However, the royal commission of inquiry is very aware of the areas where I have concern. I have made it incredibly clear, in many media, where I am seeking answers. So the chair is responsible for the royal commission of inquiry and any reporting back to me. It is the chair that has asked to see me today. I hope that other commissioners will be with him, but it is the chair that I will be holding accountable for those answers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022296658617a2b46dcbea9bbaf5ee29189\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: If the commission doesn\u2019t have adequate explanations about those matters I\u2019ve just asked the Minister about\u2014the vetting and the delay around the man\u2019s conviction\u2014what will be the consequence, in her view, for Paul Gibson?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022375e1e4cff78466a9e921abe86cfaf18\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: First of all, I\u2019m trying very hard to go into this meeting with the royal commission to listen without judgment, so that I hear very clearly without going in with a bias. The members may laugh, but this is an incredibly serious royal commission of inquiry that survivors asked for. They asked for it to be treated seriously and with independence from any political interference. I want to listen to the commissioners with an open mind, as opposed to deciding I know everything because the media has reported it. However, I will actually have to take further advice\u2014possibly legal advice\u2014after I have seen the commission at 3.30 today, because of the responsibilities I do hold.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6e9035b6137409ab872581962ce689d\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does she accept that she has the authority to advise the Governor-General to remove members of the royal commission for neglecting their duties to keep survivors safe?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228eb2eb0b7845424ca18844ef65d35117\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Again, that\u2019s a very good question, and one I\u2019ve just asked for further advice on from the Department of Internal Affairs, and that is around whether neglect of duty\u2014that interpretation around duty\u2014covers duty of care. But I accept that I have that responsibility. If neglect of duty also includes minimising harm, or duty of care, which I would like some deep clarity on, remembering no commissioner has ever been removed in this country before; no\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220cecd6429c7840f0937f6422756c172b\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: So what?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022214d863db42f405295265ff974aae699\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Brownlee. I see that you would do it at the drop of a hat. I tend to take this thing much more seriously. This took years and years and years to get survivors this far. So I don\u2019t intend to just, at the snap of a finger, go ahead\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e1eb112c5f640a2b1dc5284589ff9e8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The member will resume her seat. I don\u2019t want to enter into this debate, but the point that the Minister is making is a very important one, in that this is a serious matter. It doesn\u2019t help when her fellow Ministers react to inappropriate comments from the other side. The Minister is perfectly capable of responding herself. She should be left to do it, because, otherwise, it makes this Parliament seem like a rabble, and both sides are responsible for that, and I\u2019m looking especially at the shadow Leader of the House and the Minister of Finance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c71bc068b63f47eb89b8aaa26d668ae5\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022596224e5f55f44e7b79a139255235d6d\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: She shouldn\u2019t bring us into it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc0ea7d36f304737bf3d294e9ec01e1a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295fa71a42c2f4b3b9edd8b5017e1c6d2\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise. Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002283662e571ec542489cb905459ef6515d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I\u2019ve got Grant Robertson first.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a92f50a7a8734d648df79f31e415b412\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: I reluctantly joined in responding to the interjections because\u2014as you pointed out, yourself, in your ruling\u2014they were inappropriate interjections, and on a matter of this seriousness, in the absence of those interjections being stopped, that was the course of action open to me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c57140667698475cbe79733b16283ed8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I do not appreciate the member reflecting on my ruling. I made the ruling; I\u2019ve actually more or less agreed with what he just said, other than his reluctance, but he knows he\u2019s not allowed to comment on my rulings. He will withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ca8fe7f4de04e429d9bd61afe08b771\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ff179da8f234b94b4ceec88c02c9057\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Brownlee, do you want to go again? No. All right, the Hon Simon Bridges.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c50570fba264339b45c3af2fed091cb\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Does she have confidence in Commissioner Paul Gibson?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266f9f6805b9a4c2c9721dba15b82d45f\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I would have to say, right now, as I said in answer to the primary question, I\u2019m very much on the fence about the level of confidence I have in the commission overall.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f9ed902bc31402db3410cfd135df8c2\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: How is it possible that, despite red flags being raised months ago, the paedophile was only questioned last month about his offending, and he said, \u201Cthis is the first time anyone from the commission has asked about them.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297517c68c3c847f5ba722cfd6fa4b153\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: No red flags were raised with me. And, again, the member is asking me to comment on the internal workings of an independent royal commission of inquiry that he should direct to the royal commission of inquiry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c84755bf729543f5957f5e739b7f5877\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: What does she say to survivor advocacy group member Kath Coster, who said, in respect of the royal commission, \u201CI was subjected to paedophiles by being a ward of the state \u2026 To find out later on that I had put myself into a situation where there was a paedophile, it made me feel real sick.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226906777a844f48f0b586656bda7e947e\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: As one human being to another human being, I can just say how terrible I feel for that lady. But I ask her to direct those concerns to the royal commission of inquiry and to hold them to account.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281b8bf3284bb41329dc1e492c6e1be5a\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: What responses did the Minister get, when the royal commission was established, from survivors who had been calling for years for such a commission of inquiry and those calls had been ignored?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201c1886b710641f2b97de84e002bd466\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: If I recall correctly, it was with relief and some joy, but they also knew this was not going to be a pleasant process and it was going to be a complicated process. I have had emails in the last 24 hours from people begging me to make sure that the royal commission of inquiry continues, but they want confidence, like we all want confidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285fb755e62e34bab8fe9bb1dede5e61c\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the Prime Minister that the members of the royal commission have \u201Cthe right mix of integrity, mana, and credibility to carry out the difficult job\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263ea68ccfab44c66a0649b13fb8c3dd9\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: We wouldn\u2019t have appointed them in the first instance if we didn\u2019t believe that they had the right mix of integrity and mana and skills to do the job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022faef065614d8412192836b29074f05cd\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: In light of her, I think, fair answer to my primary question, where she gave a number, how does she rate Paul Gibson\u2019s chances of remaining as a commissioner at this point in time?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bce7e556d43d479290a3b2e6b8b969f1\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: It would be inappropriate for me to comment on that matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022db2a759c04b04402972db64968e10bd0\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022 data-id=\u002224ffe63eb53c42659cfa05b79013a1ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002224ffe63eb53c42659cfa05b79013a1ae\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s policies and actions? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022665cb2ed9835463b93f391470ad27fa0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022665cb2ed9835463b93f391470ad27fa0\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Acting Prime Minister)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220dd13643044343879bd7884b119864c2\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: How has this Government made efforts to improve relations with like-minded partners?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8fe6aea4ec845b893db3ea5ec3672e0\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much for that question. The fact is that the achievements of the Prime Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc76618405a747028f4f1ea46218cbcc\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does he write his own questions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022959862f488574e76a7b99655fbc8aacb\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Able to write my own questions and my own speeches, unlike that turkey over there. In fact, why don\u2019t you ask me a question? Show some courage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b694e8e29714307b70a6f4698f05972\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Does the member want to do it voluntarily, or do I have to require him?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221836a20f041a4c27a1ea6382db376eb6\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise. Back to my answer: the achievement of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern\u2019s trip to New York and Japan cannot be overstated. The Prime Minister met in the same room at the same time with President Donald Trump, Vice-President Mike Pence, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, national security advisor Robert O\u2019Brien, and anybody that thinks they can laugh and scoff at that knows nothing about international diplomacy. No other Prime Minister has had a more impactful trip to the United States than Jacinda Ardern.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e1ea5e1ffe64b8bac2eb9f7cbc4de3c\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: What were some deliverable outcomes of Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern\u2019s visit to New York?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5ef8d10a6684e598c322df46e579d59\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Excellent question, again. Just one example: whilst at the United Nations, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern met, as I said, with the President of the United States and his senior colleagues. In response to the Prime Minister\u2019s advocacy for a free-trade agreement, the President said this to his staff: \u201CWhy don\u2019t we get on with it?\u201D Now, that\u2019s unparalleled in terms of a response from the United States, and we are all delighted that we\u2019ve moved so far. Right at the same time, she mentioned the Christchurch Call and spoke about it, and she took it to a new level, with 47 countries signing up; three huge international organisations as well as eight social media giants, including Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Microsoft. Those are major achievements and give the lie to the fact that it\u2019s some sort of needless talkfest. We\u2019re talking about the proper response to 51 people losing their lives and scores of others being damaged for the rest of their lives. I hope we do not hear any more sycophantic, weak, inhumane comments from a certain sector of New Zealand\u2019s political dichotomy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022132b52ceef61422bbdc849fd596cf583\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: How did Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern\u2019s visit build upon past diplomatic engagement with the United States?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287c054966db64cde886a5837c9bae5b9\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a long time between trade deals, so to speak. The finance Minister, back in 1939, first raised the issue with the United States, and then, of course, we had a difficult period in the 1980s, all changed by a serious rapprochement effected by the former Government\u2014not the last one; the one before that\u2014with the Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246cc354e8d6444f48ced7d336e3886fb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Sorry, I\u2019m going to ask the member to resume his seat just for a second. Can I just ask for the level of interjections to be turned down, and especially by the successor to Walter Nash.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228237253cc48b48b1b59546121a9eaf49\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Can I also say that these were major achievements, somewhat superior to going on The Letterman Show to read out the top 10 list, or being confused, on The Letterman Show, with the ambassador to Washington from New Zealand. One suspects that Mr Bridges would have had a similar reception.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227e6738d22285421385fb3685eb5dc10e\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Could the unparalleled response he gave in the answer to supplementary question No. 2 and the major achievements he gave in the answer to supplementary question No. 3 be part of the reason why he as Acting Prime Minister still has not received a question from the Opposition?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022906a5b3cc53642ea9c090ad3bfd6a358\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s an excellent question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aaadd497939448ea845baa9803112250\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! He might be responsible for the first part, but he\u2019s certainly not responsible for the substance of the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1a78b743f1246d8bf8a9f320f25ec6f\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: There was no first part of the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea62889008b54c72b2091bbb76696056\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, well, I think if you try and answer the first part of the question, it\u2019s basically: how great are you? If members can very quickly think of another supplementary, they can have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff3660ae48e24e27862fe6688f71fa96\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: In reference to my supplementary question of yesterday, and, indeed, my supplementary question of last week, has the Acting Prime Minister had to answer any questions from the Opposition in his term as Acting Prime Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6a53f473b1246d89a4db596d7d89635\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Alas, no. And I put that down to, by way of analogy, the All Blacks at the World Cup against provincial club rugby.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a2afee088c941cda17ec59a517ad513\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Taking the Speaker\u2019s advice: why is he so good?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280439dea619c4391b8228296fd30b3d4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Knowing the rest of the family, it\u2019s parents and environment. But we don\u2019t get to say it here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c229d3a8783e41b88fb0f58e9bf8a20e\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. In relation to the last answer, actually, the Opposition did ask a question yesterday, but the Acting Prime Minister\u2019s correct\u2014he didn\u2019t answer it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4c636f72c5345b3bc8824e7cd7f56ec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member knows that is not a point of order; he will stand, withdraw, and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022531958def42b420582671c4847daa62a\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ad28569f1d64a5d9d2c808db2047b0d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: He is on a warning that will last some time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c7834e4b98fb4f1da83659a590da8f7e\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u002226f7ee8af071427d9c042b62cc73d922\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002226f7ee8af071427d9c042b62cc73d922\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What did he discuss during his meeting with representatives from Fletcher Building last Friday regarding their land at Ihum\u0101tao? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd72ef15a6cc4ff19cd7168b30d8bbba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd72ef15a6cc4ff19cd7168b30d8bbba\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The meeting was held at the request of Fletcher\u2019s, and was part of the Government playing a constructive role to help support a resolution. We discussed a broad range of options for the site, but I\u2019m not prepared to go into the details of those options at this time, as it is not in the interests of any of the parties involved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c9833b34c9f4b499225397d25164ee9\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Why is it not in the interests of the parties involved to discuss the details?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb9ab731c3cf44fab94eb7fb60117a85\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Because I respect Fletcher\u2019s role and their commercial interests.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a3e14af061e4b399186e6706b7cd102\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Is it not in the public interest to at least understand whether the Crown is involved in commercial negotiations with Fletcher Building over this land?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5da7e6bca6f49f29633aec0df22ea8c\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I played a part in trying to find a constructive solution here. I believe that\u2019s what the public would expect of a Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2e74cae992446598dd5b792e2f60e99\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Can he rule out using taxpayer money in any way\u2014either through direct purchase or, for example, a loan\u2014to help another party buy the land off Fletcher Building at Ihum\u0101tao?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ec63e6542d24936bd99b5c6c66039d8\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The member is getting well ahead of himself here. We are supporting Fletcher\u2019s, the mana whenua\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298b04b5b62b44a989fab74b8f079b515\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Will you rule it out?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2364defed954cbab4e3ca882ff6a9b7\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and all those who have interests in the site in\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002216fc5c597c1347a59615d172a3257001\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Making it up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecbdcf44bd88440e91e5726ca8a96ee6\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014finding a constructive solution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223321031fa1f04cd3b311d9872017275a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The Hon Shane Jones will withdraw and apologise. That is an out-of-order interjection, and has been ruled that way many times.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022430fac12e7e74af9a25fdce98d1a6b55\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Which interjection, sir?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc0926e6ce134efaa738e4ddaf9965ad\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The one that the member made twice right now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022290fc33d93d5425bbadb497f1abafccb\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s in response to Nick Smith. I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cd0cd53eeaa4b7c8748fcb164396bec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Now, the member will just stand, withdraw, and apologise if he wants to stay in the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7c64cb8d46c4094a2f4efeebb7071be\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e9a1e84e3e794d64894894d238a61cd8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e21abfc7805b44e49329d903319d66ee\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Before attending the meeting, did he receive any advice from Treasury on the precedent risks to the Crown and the economy if the land occupation is successful?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aeb6ac8ac71b4bc2afdb35328157987e\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: No, the meeting was held at Fletcher\u2019s request. I spoke with them, as I said in my primary answer, about potential options for the site, and remain committed to finding a constructive solution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243e890be791e40599105667199866c21\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Why wouldn\u2019t he expect to be holding similar meetings with landowners all around the country if the land occupation is successful?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022109a49c490bb41568ceab50ae870d8bc\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: This was a meeting at Fletcher\u2019s request. I was happy to meet with them and support them and other interested parties in finding a resolution to this matter. I do understand why the member opposite really struggles to recognise a Government acting constructively in bringing people together, given that he was part of one that sought to divide people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229bce82d7b0cb4bc09f8c2708a8b85209\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Housing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022f8cbde9abbb04f85ace625343b0f2d5c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f8cbde9abbb04f85ace625343b0f2d5c\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: Why do 11 of the high-risk rating categories on the KiwiBuild strategic risk register released in September not show an improving trend?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u00228aa434f8ef424a459bf12f9132105fa0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228aa434f8ef424a459bf12f9132105fa0\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. As I explained to the member yesterday, a risk register is a list of potential strategic risks and measures taken to avoid or mitigate them. A lack of change in status just indicates that the potential risk has not changed. The risk register that was released to the member last Friday was reviewed in February, and other than minor corrections to job titles and an incorrect arrow being changed prior to being released to that member under the Official Information Act (OIA), it has not been reviewed since then. As noted in the letter to the member\u2019s office that accompanied the OIA request, these are potential risks and a plan to mitigate them should they occur; not risks that are being actively managed and worked through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a592a38946c472a9b2e12063ec86688\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Why has the reset of KiwiBuild announced a few weeks ago not resulted in the risk register being reviewed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236df64e61f2845ccbbc86ac7a509b12e\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: As I answered in the primary answer that I gave the member, other than a couple of tweaks around job titles, there has not been a review of the risk register since February. As the member well knows, the reset of KiwiBuild was not carried out then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224cb96803e0f64b41b976f3cc7a7eccd3\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I asked why\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad296c38b9c7492394d12f03e793705c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I don\u2019t think I need a point of order. The Minister should answer the question. The question was \u201CWhy?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b94c396012e4b0c88946580f84313a3\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Because the risk register has not been reviewed. It is an annual document that is due to be reviewed again by February 2020.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf9aba5656d14c1cae9e98300b874c57\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: What aspects of the KiwiBuild procurement policies have caused her ministry to evaluate the programme as being at high risk of judicial review?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e89741eaf67943d3bddbfd0f6a937b53\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I go back to the answers that were given in the primary question\u2014that these are lists of potential risks that exist. These are standard management tools that exist across many Government departments and certainly, on the advice of the State Services Commissioner, something that is good practice for any Government department to have. In terms of the risk mitigations that are in place within the KiwiBuild unit to make sure that they are managed, they are all there. All procurement and contracting is done to the highest public sector standards, all procurement is done through the Government Electronic Tenders Service (GETS) and the Government standard procedures\u2014all pretty standard stuff.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241bc6359fd6f4e64b614417922b75aff\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Why, then, is the risk of judicial review considered by her ministry to be high rather than, say, medium?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022befeebf373ef4218963f0e1d012e4705\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Again, I go back to what I answered the member in the answer to the primary question. These are risks that exist for any Government department, that there are processes that need to be followed, and what the document lays out is what needs to be done to mitigate those risks and lays them out. This is good public sector practice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022017411ef0b1f4e80b6c093779a1d5df4\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the risk of judicial review over procurement policies considered by her ministry to be a high risk rather than a medium risk or a low risk; what is the difference, or is it just a risk?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022614d01cda4c24143840a2ec4a72eb5a8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: There were, I think, three there. The member will answer at least one of them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260da82f8bbe94b39b482ca54b6288cb1\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: When public money is being spent, a good Government department needs to consider how it needs to mitigate against any potential risks. Now, this is exactly what this register does. In order to do that, the department has very clear policies and processes in place, as I said in answer to a previous question\u2014procurement and contracting done to the highest public sector standards; all procurement is done through GETS, the Government\u2019s standard procurement process; all internal contracting or procurement is done in accordance with hard guidelines based on the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment contracting guidelines used under the previous Government; and any contracts entered into are subject to independent legal advice. These are put in place to mitigate against any potential risk of judicial review.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201cf38a423e048b5b350819b0596cb3d\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: If it is simply any potential risk of judicial review, then why is it listed as high risk? Does the Minister know that answer?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f54309709584d22aaa89505da7317d8\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I would\u2019ve thought the answer was quite obvious, that a judicial review\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fec866869a46472cbb18a1fad7861014\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I want to hear it, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d7993d1fa544f839a5f29718de216e9\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014of decision making by the unit is something that is high risk for the department and, as such, that the mitigations need to be put in place to ensure that we are adhering to the proper processes, and that is exactly what is being done. Look, I get it is the member\u2019s job to be political, but this is a standard departmental risk mitigation management tool.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215ed3a8739744d66b16483d3d5b74e30\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is one of the most obvious answers to that question\u2014and every lawyer should know it\u2014that seeking judicial review is a very low-cost option for an objector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd6f831939d54777988293a48baf39fb\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d100907292de475f8586163e19ba6788\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ve got to have grounds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a5675f57d4f44bda46b185aca17edb1\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: We know you don\u2019t, son.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be5d31acc64d46989100ed925765ae2d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Both of you, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022677aabdc86c04095b252b8cbc8065bda\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: If it\u2019s an issue of risk, then why is it that some of the risks shown on the risk register are shown as low risk but the risk of judicial review around procurement practices is still considered a high risk?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022021bb2434d9e47848a4db99be456bfe3\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Because there is a very complicated procurement process, and that means that there has to be diligent processes put in place to mitigate against any potential risk, and that is exactly what has been done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002200430c9008e04e21aba92687ccb88cc2\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u0022937435c1daa049d893a995b95b06c7ad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022937435c1daa049d893a995b95b06c7ad\u0022\u003EDr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u00227aa5c51630b340f4a2a7ec8848e68da9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227aa5c51630b340f4a2a7ec8848e68da9\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E More good news. Yesterday, Moody\u2019s released its latest credit opinion for New Zealand, reaffirming our Aaa stable rating. Moody\u2019s said its rating reflects New Zealand\u2019s very strong institutions and policy effectiveness, and a strong fiscal position compared to international peers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266362709413741f2af1441cb3ed80807\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: They clearly didn\u2019t visit; they clearly did that from New York. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282273e5db080476da26064db3412f23a\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: This stable outlook is anchored by Moody\u2019s expectation that even in the face of shocks, New Zealand will maintain economic and financial stability and credit metrics consistent with a Aaa rating. And, yes, Mr Bridges, they did meet with the Government, and despite also meeting with Mr Paul Goldsmith, or his predecessor, they still managed to come up with that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222fb2926a06264837899d4b0a5d37f066\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: What did Moody\u2019s say about New Zealand\u2019s fiscal strength? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273f1a7c04f2d4260b6b9dcdb177a8db7\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Moody\u2019s assessed New Zealand\u2019s fiscal strength as \u201Cvery high\u201D, and that our fiscal position remains stronger than many Aaa-rated sovereigns. Moody\u2019s said that Budget 2019 shows high fiscal flexibility as demonstrated by forecasts for continued budget surpluses and debt reduction. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb662f7b2bee4b7c99be4c041e5ba09b\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: This is explaining as losing if ever I\u2019ve seen it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022977948ffd9ef41c7a7a87125278588b7\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: They don\u2019t like it, do they? They don\u2019t like good news about the New Zealand economy, because Moody\u2019s went on to say that the focus on budget surpluses and debt reduction at the same time is increasing investment in our priorities, such as mental health and child poverty reduction, demonstrating just how strong that Budget was. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022570c6789818e467a9d66e0f3ffbea2c2\u0022\u003EDr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: What did the Moody\u2019s report say about New Zealand\u2019s economic outlook compared to other countries? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229485a800de8c4ba4bf80d42770f582aa\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Moody\u2019s assessed New Zealand\u2019s economic strength as very high, with expectations of economic growth of around 2.5 to 3 percent in the next few years. It also said that over the longer term, our potential GDP growth is higher than many of the other Aaa-rated countries, highlighting our rank as number one in the world for ease of doing business. It is refreshing to see international reports like this that cut through the political noise and actually recognise the strong underlying economic fundamentals that New Zealand has.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ef4719fe945486cb815f96d9c6e2a79\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Could I ask the Minister of Finance whether he intends to send that report and last week\u2019s very positive IMF report down to the boardroom?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b110fef672fc448aa21f7154765694f0\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I would very much like to do that. I also might send a copy of it over to the Opposition, but with pictures to help them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203c3071962ee4380a0b55e61b53fc83e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think that was not helpful, and I will warn the Minister of Finance to stop using donkey drops for that purpose.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229f7f194c6f9a451baac6916bf2a3b78d\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd5b7559d20f4e75bef4cac6781c1124\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd5b7559d20f4e75bef4cac6781c1124\u0022\u003EHon NIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Education: Does she stand by her statement, \u201CThis Government is strongly committed to improving learning support for New Zealand children and young people, and their parents and wh\u0101nau\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022 data-id=\u002297cc42452bf14a7093f5f9c2ab075e5c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297cc42452bf14a7093f5f9c2ab075e5c\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN (Associate Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E In the context of the additional $619.7 million investment and the system improvements that this Government has enabled, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022249a5467f5c242a7912c69ee2d3f811e\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Does she consider that our learning support system has improved when early intervention, behaviour service, and communication service wait-lists have increased in half of the regions in New Zealand to the year 30 June?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e24ea7236464aada8d430657f938743\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Since 2013, we\u2019ve seen a 19 percent increase in demand in core learning support specialist services, including a 24 percent increase in demand for behavioural services, 21 percent increase in demand for communication services, and a 20 percent increase in demand for early intervention services. More children are being seen by learning support specialists here in New Zealand, but we do still have a waiting list, which is why, I believe, the previous Minister of Education, the member herself, recognised that and recognised we had to provide learning support in a different way, and that is why she launched the learning support delivery model.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0bb07fe11d341a7b1dfa8bec72e5ef2\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Does she consider that it\u2019s an improvement to our learning support system when the national early intervention wait-list increased by 162 students in the year to 30 June?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002251d87576fdce4e2ebc67e3a4866c6762\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Could I get the member to repeat the question, because I think she\u2019s asking me about the number of children that the wait-list increased by.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a3fef6f4fae4400853090c81d96e09b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Ask again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e52a3ad7aeea4cb89638f3621eb766c4\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Does she consider that it is an improvement to our learning support system when the national early intervention wait-list increased by 162 students in the year to 30 June?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022382bcbba3f334577899fdb273b58187e\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you for repeating the question. I think what it means is that we\u2019re identifying students that need support and that we are putting them on wait-lists so that we\u2019re not just saying, \u201CPlease don\u2019t put a child on a wait-list.\u201D or \u201CPlease don\u2019t identify a child.\u201D We recognise that they\u2019re there. We\u2019re working, through the learning support delivery model that the member herself launched in 2016, through other supports, and through early intervention that we have invested in, to try and cut those wait-lists. In some areas, wait times have dropped from 73 days to 20 days. I\u2019m not saying it\u2019s perfect, to the member. I certainly don\u2019t say that we\u2019re there yet, but we\u2019re certainly investing more than there\u2019s ever been invested before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b45e719a180f4885bd05ecd301666dd2\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Can she confirm that one of the things that\u2019s delaying dealing with wait-lists for learning support is the lack of specialist staff to do that work because insufficient numbers of specialist staff have been trained over the last decade?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cf6d095534249f9bfc76642efbb4e27\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: I can. There are workforce issues, and we do know that it takes a reasonable amount of time to train those specialists, which is why\u2014and, again, I want to compliment the member on the learning support delivery model that was put into pilots. As soon as we can roll out the first tranche of learning support coordinators\u2014we have seen, in Taup\u014D, for example, that by using those two things combined, we have been able to spread professional development, we\u2019ve been able to utilise the specialists in a much better way, and therefore those children with the highest need are being able to be seen sooner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f75fb45d44145b8907df8a556f8ad42\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Can she confirm the education sector and the Government are in a potential dispute regarding the Government\u2019s flagship learning support coordinator role given NZEI have sought major changes to remuneration and the roll-out of this role?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ea954ea898545569d186bcc2b9dbc57\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: No, I can\u2019t confirm that there\u2019s any way, shape, or form that the Government is entering into a major dispute. The Post Primary Teachers Association has recently contacted me and offered their support to help us make sure that the learning support coordinators first tranche rolls out and is effective. I have had members of the education sector contact my offices with support. Certainly, there was disappointment by those who did not receive learning support coordinators, but I certainly couldn\u2019t characterise the relationship at the moment as heading towards an industrial issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da4d30c81d134c98bc1d6d6b24a76b5f\u0022\u003EHon Nikki Kaye\u003C/span\u003E: Just to be absolutely clear, can she confirm, or is she denying, that NZEI have sought a formal variation to collective agreements to change the learning support coordinator role?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022530ce0c4-c977-40cb-90fb-754f54931ff1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229267d1fa4ce54474a735662fafd1743b\u0022\u003EHon TRACEY MARTIN\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not what the member asked me to start with; she asked if we were heading towards a dispute. The NZEI has actually put forward a variation\u2014I don\u2019t think it\u2019s the first time in the history of this Parliament that they\u2019ve put forward one\u2014but I certainly wouldn\u2019t characterise it as moving forward into industrial dispute area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d28195cc3b2f42dd857ebbce8006b90c\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022 data-id=\u00223abedf122ba0408ebeb87d1a0650e0c7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223abedf122ba0408ebeb87d1a0650e0c7\u0022\u003EDr SHANE RETI (National\u2014Whangarei)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Health: Does she stand by all her statements, policies, and actions regarding vaccination and the measles outbreak? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022 data-id=\u0022fe5e818d8ced46e8916bb7cec503cb71\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fe5e818d8ced46e8916bb7cec503cb71\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Yes, in the context they were given.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223935351257b247c28d91cce619bc23d6\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: If, as she has stated in answers to written questions, an epidemic concerns quarantinable diseases, will she move to declare the multiple measles outbreaks an epidemic, given people are now being quarantined for the disease?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022edd23184c9bc4973b9284e0d38f51251\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m informed by the Director of Public Health that measles is not a quarantinable disease, according to the Health Act 1956.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224e5a71e69c04224b6892b534264912b\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: Can she confirm there are now at least three high school outbreaks of measles, including Rangitoto College, Wellington High School, and Huanui College in Whangarei? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a3347e58d8745649eeacc5bd9218f0e\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: I can\u2019t confirm exactly those details, but I\u2019m sure if the member puts that in writing I can answer that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227215622b9fb64347947666076712e007\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And I apologise for allowing the question, which didn\u2019t flow from the substantive question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022608eaa2a5b6c46e18d2bca89192ba87a\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: What quarantine period are officials recommending for unimmunised students in schools with an outbreak?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9a4d851c7e940a489194f776c5cd836\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sure that information is publicly available from the local medical officer of health, who is responsible for giving those indications. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f036a66f784f4ee5bd89933ef078cc12\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: How will the measles quarantine policy apply for unimmunised students in schools with an outbreak who cannot get vaccines but need to sit NCEA exams in the coming weeks?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca1f1b0035344d8686f42f25103dc623\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ve been very clear that no child who has not had their immunisations should be turned away. Fifty thousand vaccines arrived in the country in the last week, another 100,000 are going to be arriving presently, and it\u2019s my expectation that every child that needs a vaccination will receive one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002202145ea993dd458e90f70d2b48d4e022\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u0022958841f5ec774cf7843e91ee8d78dc29\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022958841f5ec774cf7843e91ee8d78dc29\u0022\u003EGINNY ANDERSEN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: What action is the Government taking to plan for enough classrooms to meet growth in the Wellington region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022b9d69f63f68b45c1b2edee16ece6c66f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b9d69f63f68b45c1b2edee16ece6c66f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Good news: last week, I announced the final part of the National Education Growth Plan\u2014the bit that covers the Wellington region. The Wellington growth plan forecasts that there will be around 2,500 additional student spaces that may be needed in this region by 2030. The Government is planning for this growth by mapping the areas where we\u2019re under pressure and where we may need to deliver more classrooms. We\u2019ve now released the entire nationwide growth plan, which is the first of its kind, which shows how we\u2019re going to deal with areas of high student population growth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d79ea09160844a878db80ca221bfc464\u0022\u003EGinny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: What investment has the Government announced to start delivering on its property growth plan for the Wellington region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b736b7e8d1f43469ad4f352dfc1969f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The Government has already announced $27 million to build up to 40 new classrooms, at 11 schools across the Wellington region. The roll growth funding is part of the $1.2 billion funding allocated in this year\u2019s Budget to expand schools in areas of high growth across the country over the next 10 years. This is the largest investment in school property by a New Zealand Government and gives us a great head start to meeting the growth required by 2030.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022400e931100ea49cfabe996b38cca83ff\u0022\u003EPaul Eagle\u003C/span\u003E: How many additional students does the $27 million investment in the Wellington region provide for?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249e22378ad8940d6bd58224e2751febd\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The $27 million provides funding for an additional 700 student spaces, across 11 schools in the Wellington region. As well as this, $14 million for two kura will be used to replace four classrooms at Whakatupuranga and to completely rebuild Ng\u0101 Mokopuna in Seatoun. At Paraparaumu College, where the announcement was made, they alone will receive an additional 10 classrooms, for 220 students. This Government is serious about responsibly planning for growth in our classrooms, and we\u2019re putting the money behind that commitment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e82d095230fb439c9d4dff9dcebb91c6\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: How many classrooms has the Government announced this year alone to meet growth across the country as part of the National Education Growth Plan?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e53b22aa77c4422e8afa8812890128d5\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Very good news: the Government has announced 492 new classrooms, for around 12,500 additional students, as part of the National Education Growth Plan. That\u2019s a total investment of nearly $400 million out of the $1.2 billion that the Government has set aside to fund the plan. We\u2019re giving certainty to the communities, to the construction sector, and to schools so that they can plan for the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002229e2be4e8f824b0e8270f5b280647b90\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Climate Change\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u0022749269acd30f4a8e94b6ad30a94260b2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022749269acd30f4a8e94b6ad30a94260b2\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Climate Change: Does he agree with the Prime Minister\u2019s statements in New York that, in regard to climate change, \u201CNo one has the luxury of copping out\u201D and \u201CBut it\u2019s very hard for any of us to convince our domestic industries to submit to emissions pricing on their industry when their competitors in other countries don\u2019t also face a similar price\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u00220ba52e5595824e4aa747485f38fff52e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220ba52e5595824e4aa747485f38fff52e\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE (Minister of Conservation)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Climate Change: Yes, and I also agree with the next line of the Prime Minister\u2019s statement, and I quote, \u201CNow is the time for optimism and for hope and crucially a plan.\u201D Optimism, hope, and a plan are absolutely what our Government has when it comes to climate change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c192bd9adebf4e668f764fdd68325215\u0022\u003EHon Scott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: What, then, is his response to the report in The Guardian today stating, \u201CThe leader who said the climate crisis was her generation\u2019s \u2018nuclear-free moment\u2019 did not raise the issue with the US president.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202c72f3e265e403daa30f646e9ed795a\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, the Prime Minister\u2019s meeting with the President of the United States was a very successful meeting and, as that member well knows, trade was top of the agenda.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e128ee121584b9e9367007b1e1ecfde\u0022\u003EHon Scott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: What then does the Minister make of The Guardian comments that say, \u201CMore than anything Ardern might have been expected to use the opportunity to push Trump hard on the issue of climate change.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e3422371aaa430fbb5c62cd838030bd\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: This Government is grappling with the difficult issues around climate change that the previous Government failed to deal with. That pull aside happened at the United Nations meeting where climate was on the agenda. The Prime Minister was calling for multilateralism\u2014connection between countries to deal with the biggest challenge of our time\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b88c2059c6774e7d92ea6a09b3e83d78\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That sort of idiotic behaviour is not parliamentary. Further supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e6bbd09af6249c283c554492cd895c3\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Dancing like a fool.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207afbbaf37fe4b15a4eedcb24020694e\u0022\u003EHon Scott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: In light of the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022380b0b7c5e8941dfa2f5620f66195550\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Who said that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225dc63023d58149ea89cb23d2ea4e35df\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: I did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9285232dc14469e85659049e83610a1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty withdrew from the Chamber. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e575dd04e41f4bcca07158c868cd8b67\u0022\u003EHon Scott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister concede that the Prime Minister\u2019s inability to raise the question of climate change with the US President amounted to \u201Cthe luxury of copping out.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a41473c6cfde48d6a3da2d5ce0a69383\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That question\u2019s not properly authenticated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c135c4c7d4a544178dfcf1a2e3cefe7e\u0022\u003EHon Scott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. How was it\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022132cda93a889437590678ce651c24e54\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I\u2019ve ruled on the matter. A further supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224de80faf9b0e4f24863cfcf9dd8e0262\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f72735726b84cdaa604991e2915bd49\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: As long as it\u2019s not relating to the ruling that I\u2019ve just made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5370453e6664453aa34c7cfce2476de\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: No, it\u2019s not. But\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226753500258674654960ab37988665683\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Very good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215fdda23a4fe44c6a938b305c1266648\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014it is a question that we need to know about: the need now, it would seem, to authenticate the supplementaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d986366cb7c4ea29bfbbb45ccf91d08\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I happen to look at the authentication where necessary for primary questions. I listened very carefully to the first set of supplementary questions, which may or may not have referenced an inaccurate media report or an accurate media report. But there was no such reference in that supplementary. It made an assertion that was not authenticated at all. Further supplementary\u2014Scott Simpson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f74d3f6b2ee4807b406114d30975c1d\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Fiction\u2014fiction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a96173e7c7342508763572221c6687b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Now Shane Jones will go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dccc433e653b46c7b5975a78dcb49276\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. For how long?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3a654dd82974a39af4bfdbcad8b11f2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Until I decide the member can return.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones withdrew from the Chamber. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ff665df4ddc4b6895f06ccbbf53685f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just make the obvious comment to members who are, sort of, showing some lack of understanding of what\u2019s going on. When I make a ruling, it is not to be the subject of commentary from either side. Scott Simpson? No further supplementaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a21074a147eb4036a99c5289a192a22b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022aabd88d09cd94e94ad4c4046da9e2241\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aabd88d09cd94e94ad4c4046da9e2241\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: What has caused the New Zealand Transport Agency to reallocate $313 million from the rapid transit activity class in the 2018-21 National Land Transport Programme, and did the NZTA look at reallocating a larger amount of money, given progress to date on light rail? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u0022130869f08ac24e8ba8ac05b88bf7bd07\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022130869f08ac24e8ba8ac05b88bf7bd07\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E To the first part of the question, what the super fund is proposing for Auckland light rail has never been considered before in New Zealand. It\u2019s based on a public-public investment model and it should be analysed carefully. A final decision on who will build this transformational infrastructure will be made early next year. While options are being developed and examined, the New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) has the opportunity to reallocate funding and crack on with other projects, like the Manawat\u016B Gorge, while we take the time to get a multibillion-dollar game-changing infrastructure for Auckland right. To the second part, no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4d3e18cd5004d688ee0a173970f8f77\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the New Zealand Transport Agency not reallocate all of the $313 million straight back into the State highway improvements activity class, when that activity class has been cut by $5 billion over the next decade, meaning that critical projects like the Tauranga Northern Link, Melling interchange, and \u014Ctaki to Levin have been cancelled or delayed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd8ef645f7a54153b70ec8939d643198\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: What the NZTA has done is allocate the remaining funding for Auckland light rail, plus rapid transit investments in a number of other urban areas. But the member\u2019s broader point is that there is a list of projects that are ready to fund, including safety upgrades and including State highway projects, but this Government is not going to give a blank cheque to a dozen motorway projects that were promised by the last Government, and all but two of them were not funded or designated. They are ghost roads.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b66d34927e104b369dd8f79acbb5f31e\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his comment that the 12 re-evaluated projects he\u2019s just mentioned have very low economic value; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b22e4ab10484814af110beb9471b5a6\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s my view that very few, if any, of those\u2014the second generation so-called roads of national significance that National promised\u2014would exceed a benefit-cost ratio of one. They weren\u2019t funded. They weren\u2019t designated, with a couple of exceptions. They were campaign promises\u2014the worst of pork-barrel politics. Meanwhile, this Government is getting on with investing\u2014for example, $1.4 billion in safety upgrades across 3,500 kilometres of roading network that will save 160 deaths and serious injuries every year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278a8af2046914086a2014edea0058962\u0022\u003EMichael Wood\u003C/span\u003E: What response has he seen to the NZTA\u2019s decision to reallocate money from the rapid transit activity class?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a848f9c43d484caaa1a58a05f591db0b\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve seen several reports of people welcoming the Government\u2019s decision to use part of that reallocation for the initial funding of the Manawat\u016B Gorge replacement highway. Ashurst resident Grant Marshall said that the new road would make a big difference to the community now that there\u2019s certainty that it\u2019s happening. Wairarapa-based Labour list MP Kieran McAnulty said, \u201CIt\u2019s vitally important to so many aspects of this community.\u201D I\u2019ve also seen reports of someone calling the decision a no-brainer, and I want to thank National\u2019s transport spokesperson, Chris Bishop, for his support as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b11f5759ad7b4ec6b7e7b1e08bcb14af\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is he seriously saying to the House that projects like the Tauranga Northern Link\u2014which was funded, consented, and out for procurement\u2014and projects like the Melling interchange and the \u014Ctaki to Levin project\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c90fab272954e7f95b6d5f88fb69c5d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s got two questions already.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d61c03b582f4e6a8c574b1e4a282dd3\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is he seriously saying that those important projects are of low economic value?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c5c754f1f504dcfa0d93cedd084a78e\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: What I\u2019m saying\u2014and the member\u2019s quite wrong in his question\u2014is the Tauranga Northern Link was designated but not a single cent was allocated to it in National\u2019s last plan\u2014not a single cent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f50402b91c448f7b4a5338fee8278aa\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I carefully listened to that question, where he presaged that the northern link north of Tauranga had been funded. We all know categorically that that is demonstrably\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022412142540e874a00be8b5fe7b120d5a6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230367e8d0c7e4ed7abec32221ae915fb\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Well, he had it in his question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cca14e4315de44729a169a56a8e6a48a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! If the member thinks that the member misled the House as part of the question, he knows the remedy for it, and it\u2019s not to debate it by way of point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0f806d342544efd88070cc9d800ff87\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that the Melling Link project has neither been cancelled nor delayed\u2014in fact, it\u2019s been accelerated\u2014because it was never funded in the first place? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf23e62c0cef41e8bed488f1391fecbf\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m very happy to confirm that that is exactly the case. It hasn\u2019t been cancelled, it\u2019s never been delayed, it\u2019s actually been brought forward, and we\u2019ve announced the designation of it\u2014that that party never did while they were in Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e96cd45507374581808009dc3c071337\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that the Tauranga Northern Link was approved for funding by the then NZTA board, and can he also confirm that nothing else needs to happen, short of signing the cheque? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1d4f585583f44798aab3db67c7f6d61\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The Tauranga Northern Link was\u2014the route was designated, but it was not funded under the last Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022804864f4dde2470a8a65541378f44c65\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Was it halfway through commercial tender when he literally contacted the NZTA and pulled the pin? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205d8da16ac86472299db1d19d087c892\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The premise of the member\u2019s question is absolutely false. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6244f98f060496fa34bbf62e1778c1b\u0022\u003EMichael Wood\u003C/span\u003E: What other projects have been funded from the reallocation? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a00793294aac4521bfafbbe1dfafbfc2\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, from the reallocation, we\u2019re building five bridges: State Highway 26 to Kirikiri Stream in the Waikato, the Onetai Stream in the Waikato, the K\u014Dpaki Bridge in the Waikato, the Beaumont Bridge in Otago, and the Stoney Creek Bridge on the West Coast. Rather than just talking about bridges\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224510e6cbc84d493bad5e4b50e2106c44\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: He was proud of them last week. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022698bac88ab7d40c9a7aa0262c1bcf0ac\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014we\u2019re actually building them, Mr Bridges. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002252611b45cb3f40498f57ebdaa49b26d2\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Veterans\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022 data-id=\u00223221ff5ff17e4c9bb93de81c864cf41c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223221ff5ff17e4c9bb93de81c864cf41c\u0022\u003EMARK PATTERSON (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Veterans: What recent events have been held to commemorate New Zealand\u2019s veterans? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022 data-id=\u0022f93ad868ecd746f98f9a9c0931a2d94e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f93ad868ecd746f98f9a9c0931a2d94e\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK (Minister for Veterans):\u003C/span\u003E Last week, I travelled to Timor-Leste to attend the 20th anniversary of the international force for East Timor. As everyone in the House will know, Timor-Leste fought hard for independence, and following a referendum in 1999, the militia forces began to terrorise and attack the population. The Timor-Leste Government expressed to me how thankful they are for New Zealand\u2019s contribution to their independence. Seven New Zealanders lost their lives during Timor-Leste\u2019s struggle for independence and the ensuing stabilisation operation, which New Zealand participated in, so it was an honour to unveil a memorial plaque commemorating them in Dili. I\u2019d like to take a moment to acknowledge those who died: journalist Gary Cunningham, killed in Balibo in 1975, Kamal Bamadhaj, who was killed in the Santa Cruz massacre in 1991, and soldiers Warrant Officer Class 2 Tony Walser, Staff Sergeant Billy White, Private Leonard Manning, Private Boyd Atkins, and Private Dean Johnston. All of these soldiers lost their lives so that Timor-Leste could be free. Lest we forget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e6fbfc59c7b4090a65ca52c0f52cdb1\u0022\u003EMark Patterson\u003C/span\u003E: What recent commemorations have there been for World War II veterans? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022133505b4eab446bea26a55eca87f1529\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: Today, in Christchurch, I attended the birthday celebration for New Zealand\u2019s oldest veteran, Mr Ron Hermanns. Mr Hermanns turned 108 today. In 1937, Ron joined the Wellington Territorial Squadron as an aircraft rigger and worked on the squadron\u2019s Blackburn Baffins. In 1939, he was made liable for continuous service and joined the RNZAF. Ron deployed overseas in 1943 to No. 4 Repair Depot in Espiritu Santo in the New Hebrides, which is known as Vanuatu these days, where he spent 12 months working with the Americans in servicing the Royal New Zealand Air Force Kittyhawks. He also served in Guadalcanal, the Solomons, Jacquinot Bay in Papua New Guinea, and in Hobsonville after the war, servicing the Royal New Zealand Air Force\u2019s Lockheed Venturas, the Corsairs, and the Sunderlands. I wished, on behalf of the Government and Parliament as a whole, to Ron a very happy birthday and thanked him for his service this morning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bf71a65e-c9f0-4856-902f-1a15c4274e94\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225eadc5d3e66c4690bf79661c5ce4dabf\u0022\u003EMark Patterson\u003C/span\u003E: What recent commemorations have taken place at Pukeahu National War Memorial Park? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246da8231f7eb45cb8ba31efe64ce4ba3\u0022\u003EHon RON MARK\u003C/span\u003E: This month, the Government has also held commemorations for our Malayan veterans and veterans of the merchant navy. I think it\u2019s not that widely known that in the Malayan confrontation and the Malayan Emergency\u2014conflicts which lasted over 12 years\u2014New Zealand deployed 4,000 servicemen and women. Fifteen died in Malaysia, with three killed in action. In the case of the merchant navy, over 140 New Zealand sailors died falling victim to enemy attacks from the air, from the navies of our enemies, and from Hitler\u2019s most feared U-boats. Ka maumahara tonu t\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E[We will remember them.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022628ed49c4ce7437da9b543263c8f8a3f\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Justice\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022 data-id=\u00226dbce939245148798324d8918381a6d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226dbce939245148798324d8918381a6d6\u0022\u003EHon Dr NICK SMITH (National\u2014Nelson)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Justice: What specific parts, if any, of the Legislation Design and Advisory Committee\u2019s submission on the Referendums Framework Bill are \u201Cabsurd\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00222742f715835a47cb8855ee0279499b1f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222742f715835a47cb8855ee0279499b1f\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m thankful for the second draft of the member\u2019s question, and I invite him to recall my answer to his first supplementary question yesterday, in which I said that the Legislation Design and Advisory Committee\u2019s perceived differences between referendums held at a general election and held through a postal vote was an absurd point to make in the context.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221de38257e3cf4fd784d1b2554426fd77\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he concur with the Legislation Design and Advisory Committee view that New Zealand needs to learn from the Brexit referendum and, with the UK Supreme Court decision yesterday reinforcing the sovereignty of Parliament, respect their advice that Parliament should retain the right of setting referenda at general elections?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f892bd017a240caa27a9b174cde362a\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: The general purport of the Legislation Design and Advisory Committee\u2019s advice in their submission was that they thought that the Referendums Framework Bill, in relation to clause 8, could do with some better safeguards. That is a matter for the select committee. That member is on that select committee, and he might want to play a constructive role in ensuring the legislation is the best that it possibly could be\u2014although I acknowledge that would be a novel departure from his conduct of the last two years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e978865e-57e5-41d6-a7f6-b49daae78630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243208bbab6ed44c78dda0ec83eaac608\u0022\u003EHon Dr Nick Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea7b2bba88794c6497446f70f3e886b8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, that concludes oral questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f08b49d5cbe748b1a206e1dff843a157\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: So the final comment was all right\u2014a personal reflection? Unbelievable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a5fbaa5c494488888e72ae57d36fa5f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I mean, the idea that a member can\u2019t say that another member should behave better\u2014that would be a novel ruling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002226b8bea25cc8453fb88f9a07b517b8ed\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d967c4d540be4de5a83fcca63e3ae469\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022 data-id=\u0022f317c943986e4c7684226761e8af9b6e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f317c943986e4c7684226761e8af9b6e\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES (Leader of the Opposition):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the House take note of miscellaneous business.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EWell, our Prime Minister, that woke progressive hero of the left internationally, has been to the United Nations and she\u2019s met with the leader of the free world\u2014no, not Winston Peters\u2014President Trump. Did she, when she met with him, raise our \u201Cnuclear-free issue of our times\u201D, climate change? No. No, she didn\u2019t. I can understand why you\u2019d say, just as Bryce Edwards did, that she\u2019d speak truth to power. She didn\u2019t raise it. What she did do was speak a lot, Winston Peters, at the United Nations about climate change, and she raised\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b43b013950142f5a788f230a85fc135\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Did you raise it in China? No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab0fdba3f2cd4875881fcb137f6b75d2\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014many, many, many issues. Yes, I did. Many, many issues are there, but here\u2019s the problem: they\u2019re not doing any of them in New Zealand. The Government can\u2019t agree on putting agriculture into the emissions trading scheme, Mr Peters, and I wonder why that is. So the person who could make the most difference on climate change in the world, and Jacinda Ardern didn\u2019t raise it with that person.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EThen, the Christchurch Call\u2014the Christchurch Call. She set up a committee. That\u2019s what she\u2019s done. She has set up a committee, and they are good at that\u2014280-odd committees. Some of them are odd. That\u2019s what they\u2019ve done. They didn\u2019t raise that with President Trump either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EBut what really matters\u2014what really matters\u2014is delivering at home, and this Government isn\u2019t. It\u2019s a mess. The Prime Minister over there had \u201Cmega Monday\u201D. Well, back here she\u2019s got mega mess. That\u2019s what she\u2019s got. Nothing\u2019s going right for this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EWe can go through them. We\u2019ve got Winston Peters over here. Well, he said earlier this week that he was going to deal with Spark. Well, I stood up in this House and I sought leave to put forward a bill that would do just that, and his Government objected. He didn\u2019t do a single thing. We\u2019re waiting for the answer, Mr Peters. We haven\u2019t heard a single thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EThen, farmers. On the radio last week, on The Farming Show, he said, \u201CHelp is on its way, my friends. Don\u2019t you worry; help is on the way.\u201D Well, I\u2019ve got this question for Mr Peters: who is more important, him or David Parker? I reckon it\u2019s David Parker. I reckon he\u2019ll win on that one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EAnd another one: last week, SuperGold card\u2014his blessed SuperGold card announcement coming this week. Where is it, Mr Peters? They asked him about that this week and he said, \u201CWhat are you talking about? I never said that.\u201D That\u2019s what he said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EIn health, actually, a serious one, where there is a Third World measles epidemic. You say, \u201CThird World? How can you say that?\u201D Well actually, because, in Latin America, in North America, countries with exponentially bigger populations, they have comparably, actually, fewer measles cases than us in this country, and part of the reason\u2019s because the Minister of Health got rid of the targets. He doesn\u2019t know what to do. He doesn\u2019t show any leadership on this. The only time he talks about it is when Shane Reti asks him questions. That\u2019s the only time we get him on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003EIn education, strikes and uncertainty. In infrastructure; let\u2019s go through that. In housing, Jacinda Ardern has cancelled more houses at Ihum\u0101tao than she\u2019s built through KiwiBuild\u2014480 cancelled, 250 built. That\u2019s a hundred and, what is it, twenty-something that she is down on\u2014a deficit in housing, under Jacinda Ardern and Winston Peters in New Zealand today. In transport, well\u2014Grant Robertson, last week I got up, I asked him, \u201CName a genuinely new transport project you started.\u201D He looked around, he looked at Phil Twyford. You would\u2019ve thought the Minister of Transport had one for him. He had nothing. So I came to the House the next day, and I asked him the same question. He was ready for it. He listed off a long list. There\u2019s a small, technical problem though; they were all started by yours truly, other than a seawall, and a roundabout at Shane Jones\u2019 house, Mr Peters. That is literally all that\u2019s happened. The transport sector knows that construction cliff is coming, because that Government stopped everything, and they haven\u2019t started a single thing, and the economy is weakening, and this is all because what really matters is delivering it home, and this Government isn\u2019t doing any of it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u0022a4a0d086e2f0473ca2b804e805da882c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a4a0d086e2f0473ca2b804e805da882c\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Future generations are relying on us\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5fb011a626c45a5a05416dcad3cafc9\u0022\u003EDan Bidois\u003C/span\u003E: Oh no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222522d5c1f77b44f4aa3b5c8d8585491d\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s true; I know you\u2019re saying, \u201CNo\u201D, but it\u2019s time to hear this truth. Even though some of our Opposition don\u2019t want to hear this truth, the fact is, future generations are relying on us to take strong action on climate change, and here, in Aotearoa, like around the world, communities are working together as champions of our neighbourhoods, to call for a carbon zero future that protects our world, and our people. They\u2019re asking for system change to address climate change. They\u2019re asking for an economy that is 100 percent renewable, jobs in clean energy, a future that protects our environment, and our community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EWhat has happened is our dependence on a fossil fuel economy threatens that vision that people are dreaming of, that future that people are asking for. What has happened is industries want us to stay dependent on dirty energy, and States have chosen to allow for that dependency to continue. What that has meant is, around the world, more extreme weather changes that impact on our homes, our buildings, our roads, our people, and communities. More extreme and ongoing weather patterns that absolutely disrupt our way of life, and our environment. Here in New Zealand, our k\u016Bkupa, as we know them in the North, or our kerer\u016B, our wood pigeons, have been starving because the taraire tree is too late to flower. It should\u2019ve flowered by now, but our climate changes are disrupting the ordinary ecosystem cycles. So we have got this impact happening right here in Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThe Greens know that our children\u2019s future needs protection. We have a duty to do right by them. We also know that indigenous peoples are at the forefront of pushing for this change, alongside the young people around the world, and, right now, in the UN, including 16 young people\u2014children, in fact\u2014who are taking the world to task, and demanding that world leaders step up, and take this responsibility. This Friday, I hope to see our members supporting young people around this country, Aotearoa, who will be striking to add their voice, calling for this change. The Greens support these young people. The Greens support the indigenous leadership. The Greens support the environmental groups, the people around the world, who are saying they\u2019ve had enough, and it\u2019s time for us to step up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EWe absolutely are proud to see the movement of millions that is happening right now, despite some of those who are still stuck, the ones who are shouting at me right now, as I\u2019m amplifying the voices of the future, who know what needs to be done. So we will continue to put in place a plan. The Greens will continue to work hard for the most progressive, enduring plan that we possibly can have for our country, because we know that when we work together, with our communities, with our people, we can make these changes that we have to make. We can design, and create a 100 percent renewable economy that our people and our planet need. We have to phase out the dirty energies that our schools and hospitals and businesses use and replace them with the innovations and the jobs in clean energies\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022713b89121c744075bf3538a4519ed741\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Stay at home. Go on strike, permanently.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022336808cf17554183b377aa464049c0c1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! That is an outrageous interjection, and the member will stop it right now. That sort of suggestion, to a member of Parliament, who is speaking in the House, is just not permitted, and if he doesn\u2019t realise how bad it is, he should listen to himself in the tape, and work it out. Marama Davidson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253dcf67a9f004ce5ab7f17f8fdd5b2ff\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, the voices of opposition are nothing compared to what threatens the existence of the future of the millions around the world who get this truth. I\u2019m not fazed by those voices. I\u2019m inspired by the motivation, and the inspiration that is coming from the people, because they know we have to change, they know we can change. They are asking us to work together, and I know that we are going to see this happening, no matter who is shouting from the fossil corner.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00221198e8855ee548ffa7050cedcbb7cd98\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221198e8855ee548ffa7050cedcbb7cd98\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Well, look, I\u2019m just waiting to hear all that shouting that we\u2019ve just been accused of doing. Apparently, there was no shouting. Look, I just think it\u2019s\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fef05153d3504a449c5d6b8496fc4dac\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I\u2019ve just recently sent two members from the House for reflecting on my ruling. Does the member want to continue her speech? If she does, she will withdraw and apologise and stop it right now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f7a5a1e50be4498a94c0724f80b52fa\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Right, I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI just think it\u2019s really interesting that this is, apparently, the year of delivery. Well, I\u2019m blown if I know what\u2019s going to be delivered, other than an enormous amount of carbon emissions from all the trips taken overseas to skite about and tell everybody else what we\u2019re doing in New Zealand and what everyone else should be doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EI am just extraordinarily surprised that we now have a situation in New Zealand where the State house waiting list\u2014people who need a State house\u2014has actually now doubled under two years of a Labour, Greens, New Zealand First Government\u2014doubled. In that time, we now have this new thing called, \u201Cmobile homes\u201D. We didn\u2019t use to have them. We used to call them \u201Ccars\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022decb409816454141b6b41a69c1ab3f11\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281f87643f8a94c8aa3295cee14f66453\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: That is actually quite a sad reflection\u2014and I kid you not, actually, Mr Macindoe. It\u2019s a very sad reflection on the fact that people are now having to live in cars so much that they\u2019re now being considered as mobile homes for benefit purposes. That is an extraordinary state of affairs from a Government that came into office promising that they were going to fix what they referred to as the \u201Chousing crisis\u201D. Well, for those who weren\u2019t sure if there was a housing crisis before this Government, they can certainly be assured there is one now. It is one where they have promised so much and delivered less than nothing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve just heard before about the number of KiwiBuild houses\u2014hardly any. By the way, 200-and-something built\u2014bought I should say\u2014and about 160 of them occupied. Why? It is because a whole chunk of them have been built in places in New Zealand where there is zero demand for those houses. This is a shocking waste. That is why the Auditor-General\u2019s office was asked by me to look into this and investigate it. It is being investigated. It is something we\u2019re going to hear a lot more about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard today about the procurement practices being rated as a high-risk area by the KiwiBuild people themselves\u2014high risk of judicial review. When I\u2019ve asked the Minister today, \u201CWhy is it high-rated?\u201D, we got a story about how it was high-rated. Well, why not medium-rated? The answer is this Government has changed nothing on housing, except to make it harder to get any housing built. And the changes that David Parker is proposing around Resource Management Act rules coming in and being introduced to Parliament and debated, apparently, tomorrow, those will only make it harder to get houses built. Everything this Government has said that they were going to do in housing\u2014don\u2019t just halve it, don\u2019t just take it down to zero, take some of it away from that as well. Almost nothing has happened except a hell of a lot of taxpayer money wasted on propping up developments for developers in places where people don\u2019t want to live. That\u2019s what the year of delivery is for the Jacinda Ardern Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard today about how she\u2019s had the most extraordinary meetings with, the apparently wonderful now, President Trump; a man who she protested against when she was a senior Opposition MP\u2014protested against with her little pussy hat on. That\u2019s the sort of response that happens to somebody when they get a 20-minute pull-aside and El Salvador gets a meeting with President Trump. It just goes to show what\u2019s happening when you\u2019re acting like a kid in the big world of international politics. It\u2019s too important to New Zealand to have a Government that can\u2019t deliver on a house, let alone deliver to this country\u2014and to hear the shouting from the other side says I am right on the button.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022dbb91134035743b6865f7fe0260334c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dbb91134035743b6865f7fe0260334c4\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Acting Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E The recent Mood of the Boardroom report got one thing seriously right: the Leader of the Opposition ain\u2019t up to the job. As his caucus crumbles around him, it\u2019s clear he just doesn\u2019t know what is necessary to do to keep his job. We all know that when you look at leadership, you look for strength, courage, resolve, an ability to persevere with the force of one\u2019s own arguments, and, above all, loyalty\u2014oh yes, and the X factor as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EMr Bridges is characterless and he\u2019s a pushover who can\u2019t stand up to his own colleagues\u2014the recent one being the one that just spoke then. The biggest liability he\u2019s got, as well as his biggest threat, is the person that just spoke, the MP for Papakura. See, while he\u2019s been banging on about his leadership, a report came out last week which illustrated just how much of a liability the MP for Papakura is to the National Party. That report was called the Government Inquiry into The Auckland Fuel Supply Disruption about September 2017. I\u2019m asking every journalist that\u2019s halfway serious about their job to go and read that report, because it\u2019s about a cover-up of epic proportions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThe cover-up was carried out by a former Minister of energy who had close links to the company which was responsible for the fuel supply disruption in the first place. This is breathtakingly arrogant. Remember, a quick reminder; it\u2019s 2014, Ms Collins sponsored a deal in China at the behest of her husband\u2019s company Oravida. The rest, we know, is history: she lost her job. That same year a digger registered to Oravida Kauri Ltd\u2014get the name now? Oravida Kauri Ltd\u2014inflicted serious damage on an oil pipeline on a lifestyle block on the outskirts of Ruak\u0101k\u0101. That\u2019s 2014. That pipeline serves the window to New Zealand\u2014the gateway to New Zealand\u2014the Auckland Airport. What did the driver of that digger do\u2014an employee of Judith Collins\u2019 husband\u2019s company?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022baab84617cbb488288bc2b53f2fa5957\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! An employee of the company.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2dfd10119074e12aac229dcf6a66189\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: All right, OK, an employee of the company. What did he do? Well, he covered it up with dirt, literally, and that survived for three years. Then, all of sudden, on 14 September 2017, the break became known.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ELet me just give you an example of how he covered it up. [Holds up photo] That\u2019s the soil over the property, over the pipeline that we\u2019re concerned about. And when it did breach and start to spill all over the place? [Holds up photo] That was the damage that was done back in 2014.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ENow, what we\u2019ve got here is a report coming out last week, and no repercussions whatsoever. Can I ask this question: Why wasn\u2019t that photograph put in front of the National Party caucus last week?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022582a546cc23d49d59ad95cc991adcdfb\u0022\u003EHon David Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225bd808ae7d354624baec6d990f35190f\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, well, there you go. Talk about the arrogance. The idea that no matter what happens, he\u2019s always right. Good Lord! How did he get a job, in a raffle? Can I just say it was a calamity, but over three years, the hole he created in that digger broke open, and the rest is history. Now, just the year after the damage first happened, Oravida Kauri Ltd changed its name to Kauri Ruakaka Ltd. I wonder why!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThen, on Thursday, as I said, 14 September, a breach of the pipeline, jet fuel spewing out all over the property, residents in the area being evacuated, and fuel transmission to Auckland stopped for 10 long days. It cost $14 million alone to fix things up, let alone all the loss of profits because the airlines couldn\u2019t fly. All this is thanks to a company named Oravida Kauri Ltd.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EAnd guess who led the response effort in the dying days of the last Government? Energy Minister Judith Collins. Don\u2019t you remember? Here, she\u2019s being asked on 22 September: \u201CAny further update on how this was punctured in the first place?\u201D Here comes the answer: \u201CThe last time there was any swamp kauri digging on that particular farm was in 2011.\u201D This person talking on RNZ knows that\u2019s not true, because she has peculiar and particular and special knowledge. She went on to say, \u201CAnd even then, it was a long way from where the pipeline was located.\u201D Oh, really? How would she know that? This person is now digging herself in deeper and deeper. And she goes on to say, \u201Cit\u2019s very up in the air as to what\u2019s happened and how it happened.\u201D She\u2019s asked, \u201CDo we know who the digger was and where the damage was done?\u201D She says, on 18 September, \u201CI have no idea who that is.\u201D Asked about the company, \u201CI have no knowledge of who would be doing the digging.\u201D She should be gone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002212330e66c5494b0a8ec30e844a98fba8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212330e66c5494b0a8ec30e844a98fba8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022b9d0efeee45546fe869ba69ef492e606\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b9d0efeee45546fe869ba69ef492e606\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Before I start on the Government\u2019s year of delivery in health, I want to talk a little bit about the delivery of a certain trophy this week, and that is the homecoming of the Parliamentary Rugby World Cup, won by the New Zealand Parliamentary Rugby Team, of which I was a member, in a dramatic extra-time victory over Australia, who were the holders, at the Tokyo Olympic Park last Thursday. Now, that park happens to be\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002216a53172a6ed49b09edae485b22b7fcf\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It was never that close when I played.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249663143a0f545a6b1c4d4ab614e65cb\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the Speaker could come back. There\u2019s always room. That park was actually the place where Peter Snell won two gold medals in 1964. It was a particularly auspicious place in which to play that final. But I want to congratulate all of the members of that touring team. It came at some cost\u2014[Removes spectacles]\u2014as members can see, but it was certainly worth it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EBut I want to talk about\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e0af2dd1ac3400d9e9523766d8e0031\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re all shiny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022704ecfc8b36e4bdea8eafcdfa0368c39\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, very shiny\u2014delivery in health, because here is the biggest thing the health Minister and the Government has delivered for health: a measles epidemic\u2014a measles epidemic the likes of which this country has not seen in generations. We were on the brink of being considered measles-free, and suddenly we are now amongst those countries for which measles is endemic. But they didn\u2019t deliver one thing. They didn\u2019t deliver nearly enough vaccines. My colleagues have been on the phone to the GP practices in their parts of the country, and the feedback has been almost universal: there are simply no vaccines in the practices in order to be able to immunise the people who are most at risk.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThe Associate Minister of Health Julie Anne Genter said in question time that her expectations are that schools shouldn\u2019t be standing down pupils. But we know\u2014because we asked schools, we listen to the community\u2014that\u2019s exactly what they\u2019re doing. Now, there\u2019s a two-week school holiday coming, and that\u2019s going to potentially give a break. But it better break the epidemic, because after the school holidays, come exams, where students will be in their hundreds in gymnasiums and halls across the country, at great risk of sharing that epidemic. A fantastic delivery, I think not, from this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EAnd, actually, it\u2019s consistent, because they delivered us a meningitis epidemic as well, and then did not buy enough vaccines\u2014so that 5- to 12-year-old kids at risk in Northland were not given vaccines.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b71b8fb64b64935b3e09b2f41a6bba4\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: What did they learn from that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a995478ff2524d1ca5e647641aeaa264\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE\u003C/span\u003E: They learnt absolutely nothing, Mr Macindoe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EAnd here is a very, very big thing that they\u2019ve delivered: they\u2019ve delivered more than $500 million in combined DHB deficits. They\u2019ve overseen a terrible financial situation, and all the Minister can say is that speech he gives every time I ask him a question: \u201CNine years of neglect.\u201D Well, he criticised the previous Minister of Health when those deficits went to $90 million, saying he should fix it. Well, I suggest that the Minister take his own advice\u2014he should fix it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThe other thing we\u2019ve had in delivery in health is the worst industrial landscape in 40 years\u2014more industrial unrest, not only in health but right across the country, than we have seen in 40 years\u2014compared with a benign industrial landscape where wages went up at twice the rate of inflation and there were nearly no strikes in healthcare. But they haven\u2019t delivered for independent midwives. They haven\u2019t delivered on their promise to reduce GP visits by $10 for absolutely every single New Zealander, which they proudly announced on the campaign trail and then promptly broke that promise. More broken promises.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThey\u2019ve been good at delivering reports, though. A huge mental health and addiction report\u2014necessary, appropriate, and, to some degree, appropriated. And what did they do with it? They went back on the road to discuss it even more. It\u2019s not talk that this country needs on mental health; it\u2019s actions. We understand that. We had $100 million, 17 initiatives ready to go, and they cancelled it. The biggest report of all though\u2014a 312-page, $9.5 million review of the health sector and guess how many recommendations it had? Zero. They delivered not one recommendation on what they\u2019re going to do. Within the report there was a very good synopsis of what we already knew\u2014a good system that could be much better\u2014and not a single recommendation was delivered by a 312-page report. This Minister is asleep at the wheel. He\u2019s delivered nothing but disease and drift and he needs to fix it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u00225928ebf301444a8e89cc4e31c247d9bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225928ebf301444a8e89cc4e31c247d9bd\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister of Revenue):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you much, Mr Speaker. First of all, I will congratulate the Parliamentary Rugby Team and I am pleased that former Minister Michael Woodhouse cleared up the rumours about his black eye, because the rumour doing the rounds is Paula Bennett gave it to him because he thought about backing Judith Collins. Well, I\u2019m pleased that isn\u2019t the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EBut I do think it is a bit rich for a former Minister of Health to say that they put $100 million into mental health when Dr David Clark put $1.9 billion\u2014$1.9 billion\u2014into mental health, because we know on this side it has been underfunded for nine years, and it\u2019s simply not good enough when we have over 600 Kiwis committing suicide. It\u2019s not good enough. We realised we need to do something about it and that is why Minister David Clark put $1.9 billion into mental health, because this Jacinda Ardern - Government is a Government with a vision. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EAnd this Jacinda Ardern - Government is also a Government that is not afraid to tackle the hard issues and we\u2019re also not afraid to come up with solutions and we are delivering. We are listening and we are delivering. We know that we cannot undo nine years of underfunding. We know we can\u2019t undo nine years of underfunding. But we also know that the solutions that we are delivering will make a difference. It won\u2019t happen overnight but they will make a difference to all New Zealanders, and let me talk about two examples in my portfolio where we\u2019re really making a difference. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EOn Monday, led by our fantastic finance Minister, Grant Robertson, this Government released our 30-year economic plan that will build a productive, sustainable, inclusive economy to improve the wellbeing and living standards for all New Zealanders. We know in order to deliver on our plan and our vision we need to build a strong economy, an economy that encourages companies to invest, to take risks, and to grow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EOn Monday, Mr Robertson and I announced that we are going to implement a feasibility expenditure regime. This will allow companies to undertake studies into new potential investments with confidence that they have our backing. We also announced a loss continuity regime. Currently, if a company carries tax losses and they sell over 51 percent of their shares in their company, they lose the ability to access these tax losses when they move into profitability. As the Minister of Revenue, when I have met with tax experts over the last two years they tell me that loss continuity and feasibility expenditure are the two tax changes they want to see. We have listened and we have delivered. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EMinister Faafoi and I, yesterday, also announced that we are introducing a bill around unconscionable trade. What this will do is protect small businesses from being absolutely screwed by large companies and multinationals who run roughshod over our small businesses and contract terms and conditions. When the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment pulled on this we found about 45 businesses\u2014small businesses\u2014came back and said that they felt they had been done over by large corporates. So we back our small businesses because we want them to grow and we want them to succeed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThis Ardern Government knows that in order to deliver and build a productive, sustainable, and inclusive economy that improves the wellbeing and living standards for all New Zealanders, then we need to ensure that our companies can invest with confidence. We back our businesses, small and large, and we are working extremely hard to ensure that they have the very best chances to succeed. And we are listening to them. We\u2019re listening to what they want in order to be able to grow. We\u2019re listening to what they need in order to be able to invest with confidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003EThis Ardern Government is delivering for all New Zealanders. And I\u2019m extremely proud to be part of a Government that is tackling the hard challenges. I\u2019m extremely proud of a Government that has a 30-year vision and not just a three-year plan. I\u2019m extremely proud of the work that every single Cabinet Minister and every single MP is doing in terms of getting our messages out there and backing New Zealanders, backing New Zealand businesses, and going hard\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002279ff2502fc914ab58a798bbf2cae8765\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002279ff2502fc914ab58a798bbf2cae8765\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00226545695f65fb43ada72ce7442f49367f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226545695f65fb43ada72ce7442f49367f\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South):\u003C/span\u003E This is a useless and incompetent Government and it would be comical if it wasn\u2019t so depressing for the future of New Zealand, and it just beggars belief that the police Minister can stand there and say how proud he is of the Government and how the Ministers are out there every day defending the Government and putting forward their case. Ministers can\u2019t even be bothered to turn up to the meetings and front up to farmers and explain to them why they are going to be subject to such onerous and stringent requirements when it comes to fresh water.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EBut I want to talk about transport, which is a train wreck under this Government. At a time when the Prime Minister\u2019s own hand-picked business advisory council says we\u2019re at infrastructure crisis point, at a time when the Reserve Bank Governor is begging the Government all but to get spades in the ground and get on with much-needed infrastructure projects, there is not a single major infrastructure or roading project happening around the country and nor are they likely to start. Budget 2019 cut $3 billion from infrastructure spending compared to the numbers just six months before and we have a score of \u201Cre-evaluated\u201D, which is code for cancelled or delayed, transport projects around the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe reason for this is that $5.5 billion has been cut from the State highway budget. What that means is the roading projects around the country, some of them which are shovel-ready, ready to go, are simply not happening\u2014the Melling Interchange in my electorate of Hutt South. But also there is the Tauranga Northern Link that we had a discussion about in question time this afternoon, a project that is ready to go on one of the most dangerous sections of State highway in the country, and it will help fuel the growth out to Omokoroa in Tauranga, one of the most fastest-growing regions of the country. That road is a death trap and the people there are crying out for it to be built, but this Government has an ideological obsession against roads. Phil Twyford, the transport Minister, says that the Government has over-invested in roads and motorways for decades. That\u2019s what he says. Julie Anne Genter, the associate transport Minister\u2014the Minister who stopped the second Mt Vic tunnel\u2014she talks about car fascists. This Government has an ideological aversion to building new roads and unlocking the infrastructure growth that New Zealand needs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EGrant Robertson got asked in Parliament if he could name a single project. What did he say? He said the Awakino Gorge to Mount Messenger; very important project, guess when that was started? May 2017, by transport Minister Simon Bridges. What else did he say? He said there\u2019s the Dome Valley project. When did that start? May 2017, by transport Minister Simon Bridges. What else did he say? The Kae\u014D Bridge and loop road project; I\u2019ll let you in on a little secret, I think you know what\u2019s coming\u2014started by transport Minister Simon Bridges in May 2015. Papakura to Bombay\u2014started by transport Minister Simon Bridges. What else did he name? The \u014Cp\u014Dnoni project. OK, that\u2019s an important project? It\u2019s $3.2 million and it\u2019s a seawall; I\u2019d hardly describe that as a major project. What was the other one he named? Waipapa. Well, guess what that is? It\u2019s a roundabout; that is not a major project. So even when he\u2019s asked, on notice\u2014he was asked the day before. He was asked one day and he couldn\u2019t name any. He was asked to come up the next day\u2014actually, he had time to prepare, 24 hours, to name some major projects. Grant Robertson could not name a single major project because there aren\u2019t any; there simply aren\u2019t any starting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWhere\u2019s the money going? Well, that\u2019s a very good question. The money\u2019s going\u2014so $5.5 billion has been cut from State highways and the money is going into light rail.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225599716f1dd54bc9acf96f9fdf9ff43c\u0022\u003EHon Julie Anne Genter\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re absolutely wrong. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e9f280308cd4512870574a27d217d52\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: The money\u2019s going\u2014well, Julie Anne Genter, the associate transport Minister, is saying that\u2019s not true. I\u2019ve just literally gone through the Government policy statement and the National Land Transport Programme that the Government has put out there into the public domain, and it\u2019s very clear where the money goes. The State highway budget goes down, and as you go forward into the out-years the light rail budget goes up. But, of course, light rail\u2019s not happening. Jacinda Ardern said we\u2019d have it to Mount Roskill by 2021 but we\u2019re waiting, in the early part of next year, for the business case. We\u2019re waiting for the assessment by the Cabinet of the New Zealand Transport Agency bid and the New Zealand Infrastructure Commission bid, which is the New Zealand super fund. So the idea that we\u2019re going to have light rail to Mount Roskill is, I\u2019ve got to say, a total fantasy. Meanwhile, all of this money is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210f8e56f7e7f4324b7d7ce18802b2c7a\u0022\u003EHon Julie Anne Genter\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave to table graphs that show that this Government in this national land transport\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281ab439bd3e04b72b190155cbd3fd9aa\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! No, the member knows she\u2019s not allowed to break up a member\u2019s speech like that. She is being disorderly. She will withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f09426976b88476ea2f4c888df4262a3\u0022\u003EHon Julie Anne Genter\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ca5ccec147446468547ef61049cbbd9\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: I know that member\u2019s very upset about the second Mt Victoria tunnel that\u2019s been\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f22ae3f118b14c84952fbe080746306d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Just move on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0cb0f1e72a548798660f4017ea08e7a\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: In my last remaining remarks, before I was interrupted\u2014I\u2019ll just say about light rail: it\u2019s not happening. The idea that we\u2019re going to get light rail to Mount Roskill, which was promised by the Government, by 2021 is a fantasy. The money that is going into light rail or that\u2019s sitting in the kitty that could be spent on light rail should be going back into those State highway projects.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022b8eb0f1a8c234d64a3ac0c87c8360e20\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b8eb0f1a8c234d64a3ac0c87c8360e20\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u002250475765d2184cf0a109b09596463400\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002250475765d2184cf0a109b09596463400\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I was on a television programme recently with the Hon Paula Bennett, and, yet again, we had these trite phrases divorced from reality trotted out, and she made the assertion that we often hear from the National Party that they are the better managers of the economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c325d1309284a33abdbf93c19ed2faa\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223cf71813b7834601b2aebc1fb8f13323\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CThat\u2019s right.\u201D, we hear from the Opposition, again. Sadly, the truth is otherwise. Since World War II, average growth rates under Labour administrations have been higher than under National administrations\u2014really. Similarly, the contribution that we just heard from Chris Bishop claimed that there is a decrease in State highway funding; that\u2019s not correct. The three-year State highway funding package has more money going to State highways, more money going to State highway maintenance, as well as more money going to public transport.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI want to refer, more particularly, to economic performance under this Government. It\u2019s true that New Zealand has some productivity challenges. These go back many generations and, interestingly, they\u2019re reported on by the latest IMF report, which really says that, we, in the Labour Government, are tackling the long-term challenges facing our economy in relation to those productivity issues. I quote from them\u2014they say, \u201CThe Government\u2019s \u2026 policy agenda [is appropriately focused] on reducing infrastructure gaps, increasing human capital, and lifting productivity, while seeking to make growth more inclusive\u201D. In respect of the long-term productivity growth issue, they say that important steps have been taken, including \u201Cthe introduction of a new R \u0026amp; D tax credit regime \u2026 the creation of the New Zealand Infrastructure Commission to help in closing infrastructure gaps, and the reform of the vocational education and training sector\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThey also refer, in their report, to holding up consumption and trying to get growth benefits more inclusively spread in the economy through lifting the minimum wage. They could also have listed the fact that we\u2019ve pushed against speculative classes of investment through ring-fencing losses, through extending the brightline test from two to five years, from, as Minister Nash just said, making deductible what was previously black hole expenditure that you couldn\u2019t get a deduction for in respect of feasibility studies, and, of course, the support for the venture capital part of the capital markets from whence new businesses come. Now, is it working? It most certainly is, because we\u2019ve got growth rates in New Zealand that are higher than in Australia, Japan, the European Union, Great Britain, the United States, Japan. We\u2019re doing very well, relatively, despite some of the challenges that there are out there being experienced in the global market place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s happening to exports? Up 4.7 percent, merchandise exports in the year to August. Some real increases to countries like Japan, where our fruit exports were up $180 million on the back of proved access under the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership. Canada and Japan, overall, have got increases of over 6 percent in exports because we\u2019ve improved trade access into those countries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E The other measures of success are referred to in a release that Grant Robertson put out today, where Moody\u2019s say that New Zealand\u2019s economic strength is \u201Cvery high\u201D, and growth remains robust. It expects that growth in the forthcoming years will be 2.5 to 3 percent per annum, and expects our growth potential is higher than many of the other triple A - rated countries. They think our fiscal strength is very high. The IMF compliments us on reducing Government debt, whilst also running some stimulatory Government programmes to hold up consumption in this time when international growth rates are lowering.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EUnder this Government, net Government debt has gone down from about 23 percent of GDP to 20 percent of GDP. Under the last Government, they took it from 0 percent of GDP when Labour last left Government with New Zealand First\u2014that\u2019s including financial assets like the Superannuation Fund\u2014and they took it up to 23 percent of GDP. Now, in truth, some of that was the global financial crisis, some of it was Christchurch, but to suggest on the basis of those historical facts that it\u2019s us that are fiscally irresponsible is just untrue. In fact, New Zealand hasn\u2019t had a fiscally irresponsible Government since Muldoon left power in the 1980s, leaving New Zealand\u2019s books in a terrible state. We\u2019re getting on; we\u2019re sorting these long-term issues, whether it\u2019s labour force, export encouragement\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00224cbcbf38a0b6498fb490265333e510a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224cbcbf38a0b6498fb490265333e510a8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022df46a0687e2b47fb9ce800b91f1da492\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022df46a0687e2b47fb9ce800b91f1da492\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E Well, there\u2019s nothing like a lecture from Minister David Parker to remind us all how very removed this Government has become from the concerns of everyday New Zealanders, because here we are, two years after an election in which members opposite got up there\u2014they said they\u2019d solve the country\u2019s housing woes, they\u2019d solve child poverty, they\u2019d sort out health funding. The promises were big, the phrases were grand, but where are we today in this year of delivery?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E I want to tell you what it\u2019s like for everyday Wellingtonians, because here in this city rents have gone up $69 in the past two years; the public housing waiting list has almost doubled; building dwelling consents are down; fewer houses are being built; the emergency waiting list for housing has gone up; fewer State houses now than two years ago\u201475 fewer here in this city; the DHB deficit has blown out to more than $71 million; the DHB is underperforming on health targets, and immunisation, emergency waiting times, cancer treatment. This is the reality of the year of delivery: it is a year of failure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EWellingtonians are a generous bunch, so we are prepared to say, \u201CMy life might not necessarily be better, but, you know, that Prime Minister she said she\u2019d go out there and she\u2019d solve child poverty.\u201D So how\u2019s she going on that\u2014because, remember, that\u2019s apparently why Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern came into politics? Well, let\u2019s look at the material hardship figures, shall we? Under National, those numbers dropped 56,000\u201456,000 fewer children living in households with material hardship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226cb63b0013649efb6a88ae15e47211e\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking of being removed from reality.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fce34fc360b402696a31fa9285cf131\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Today, in Labour\u2019s first year, what\u2019s happened? Minister Henare, you should be ashamed: 8,000 more children living in homes with material hardship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EIt turns out solving child poverty is a bit harder than just setting a target and saying you care. Turns out pouring billions of dollars into fees-free tertiary education doesn\u2019t make a difference to children growing up in poverty. Turns out you need more than promises, you need more than rhetoric; you actually need a plan. A working group isn\u2019t what\u2019s needed. Action is what\u2019s needed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003ENow, here in Wellington, people are a bit sick of the highfalutin speeches. They\u2019re a bit sick of the beautiful one-liners, because, actually, what they want is practical stuff. I want to talk to you about the case of Let\u2019s Get Wellington Moving. Now, this was an idea that we would actually have an integrated, futureproof transport plan for our city. But then Minister Twyford got put in charge and Julie Anne Genter became his little helper. That\u2019s where it all went downhill for Wellington.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003ESo what did we actually get delivered? Well, first of all, the plan was delayed by months and months and months, and then, when it came out, key projects just weren\u2019t there. Mr Twyford said that, actually, the Mt Vic tunnel wouldn\u2019t happen for another decade. That is a key transport project for Wellington. Minister Genter may not have had to go through the tunnel and experience the crunch that Wellingtonians experience every day, but, let me tell you, what is needed is that project, and it\u2019s needed with urgency. It shouldn\u2019t be on the never-never. And the Terrace tunnel, which needs to be duplicated, that dropped out of the plan absolutely entirely. It\u2019s not even there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll tell you what it smells of. It smells of the shabby politics that occur when you\u2019ve got the Green Party calling the shots. If you wanted confirmation of that, we should all ask Julie Anne Genter if she\u2019ll just release her letter. She wrote to Mr Twyford about what should be in Wellington\u2019s transport plan, because what came out was not what Wellingtonians wanted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EToday, we get confirmation\u2014and I hold it here in my hand. Here is official information that shows the Mayor of Wellington said to his city councillors, \u201CNo, no\u2014don\u2019t argue for a better transport plan for Wellington. Don\u2019t argue for those key roading projects that we all know are essential, because, if you do, Julie Anne Genter might leave the coalition. If you do, the coalition Government might be put at risk.\u201D Well, I\u2019ll tell you, Wellingtonians are sick to death of political machinations and coalition politics being put ahead of our interests. Wellingtonians deserve a better deal on transport, and they are not getting it from this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EMinister Genter sits there. You know, she could fairly say Wellingtonians don\u2019t just want roads; they want better public transport. She would be right. So what has she done about the bus shambles in this city\u2014an absolute unmitigated disaster: cancellations every day, illogical routes, and overcrowding? Well, I\u2019m sorry to tell you, but the Greater Wellington Regional Council is led by Labour and Green councillors. So, you guessed it, this Government looks the other way. They are prepared to ignore the searing incompetence and make Wellingtonians put up with an absolutely substandard bus service because of party politics. Well, I tell you what, we have had enough of virtue signalling. This city needs delivery, and we won\u2019t get it from the Labour-Green Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022 data-id=\u0022178b0dfce2d74403bc7f1dd9a10945c0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022178b0dfce2d74403bc7f1dd9a10945c0\u0022\u003EWILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E E Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EE hiahia ana au ki te k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113tahi atu kaupapa rerek\u0113 atu i t\u0113r\u0101 amuamu, i t\u0113r\u0101 taha. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EI roto i ng\u0101 rua wiki kua pahure ake nei, i t\u0101w\u0101hi ahau, i Amerika m\u014D t\u0113tahi whakawhitiwhitinga me ng\u0101 t\u014Drangap\u016B. I taua w\u0101 ko Te Wiki o te Reo M\u0101ori i konei i Aotearoa nei, n\u0101, ka p\u014Duri t\u014Dku ng\u0101kau k\u0101hore ahau i konei i taua wiki ki te whakanui i t\u014D t\u0101tou reo rangatira, ar\u0101 Te Reo M\u0101ori, engari kua whai w\u0101hi ahau i te r\u0101 nei ki te t\u016B ki te k\u014Drero. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EKo ng\u0101 kaupapa k\u014Drero m\u0101ku i t\u0113nei r\u0101, tuatahi ko Te Wiki o te Reo M\u0101ori, tuarua ko te t\u016Bhuratanga o t\u0113r\u0101 tohu maharatanga m\u014D ng\u0101 pakanga i roto i Aotearoa nei, tuatoru ko te whakaako i te hitoria i roto i \u014D t\u0101tou kura, n\u0101 te mea he wiki nui t\u0113r\u0101 i ahau i t\u0101w\u0101hi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EE whakapono ana ahau ko Te Mahuru M\u0101ori t\u0113nei, he kaupapa m\u014D te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori m\u014D te katoa o Hepetema, o Mahuru, engari e whakapono ana ahau kia kaha t\u0101tou ki te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori i ng\u0101 w\u0101 katoa, i ng\u0101 w\u0101hi katoa, ia r\u0101 o te tau. Ko ahau t\u0113nei e t\u016B ana ki te k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EK\u0101tahi an\u014D ka puta mai i t\u0113tahi k\u014Drero i te tatauranga, ar\u0101 te census k\u0101tahi an\u014D ka puta mai. E tino harikoa ana ahau te kite kua piki ake te nama o ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata e m\u014Dhio ana ki te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori e k\u014Drero M\u0101ori ana, i te 35,000 t\u0101ngata. I te tau 2013 neke atu i te 150,000 t\u0101ngata e m\u014Dhio ana ki te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori engari i t\u0113r\u0101 tau, 2018, kua piki te nama ki te 185,000 t\u0101ngata e k\u014Drero M\u0101ori ana. N\u014D reira e mihi ana ki a t\u0101tou katoa e kaha nei ki te ako, ki te k\u014Drero i t\u014D t\u0101tou reo. Koir\u0101 te moemoe\u0101 o \u014D t\u0101tou t\u016Bpuna, r\u0101tou i tono mai t\u0113tahi petihana ki Te Whare P\u0101remata nei kia whakanuia t\u0101tou i t\u014D t\u0101tou reo rangatira. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EE hiahia ana ahau ki te mihi ki t\u0113nei k\u0101wanatanga an\u014D hoki. Kua puta t\u0113tahi rautaki whakarauoratanga o Te Reo M\u0101ori, ar\u0101 ko Te Maihi Karauna t\u0113r\u0101 m\u014D m\u0101tou o te k\u0101wanatanga engari he kaupapa m\u014D Aotearoa wh\u0101nui. Ko te t\u016Bmanako kia kotahi miriona t\u0101ngata e m\u014Dhio ana ki te k\u014Drero M\u0101ori i te tau 2040. He moemoe\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101. He mea nui t\u0113n\u0101. Ko t\u0113nei k\u0101wanatanga e hoatu ana i ng\u0101 moni e tautoko ana i ng\u0101 kaupapa kia tutuki t\u0113r\u0101 moemoe\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ETuarua ko Te Ahu o te Reo M\u0101ori. I puta t\u0113r\u0101 whakataunga a te H\u014Dnore Kelvin Davis kia akiaki \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 kaiako, ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata ki te ako i Te Reo kia taea e r\u0101tou te whakaako i Te Reo rangatira i roto i ng\u0101 k\u014Dhanga reo, ng\u0101 k\u014Dhanga P\u0101keh\u0101 me k\u012B an\u014D hoki, me ng\u0101 kura. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113tahi atu kaupapa i hoatu te 32 miriona taara ki ng\u0101 k\u014Dhanga reo. I puta mai te riopoata o te R\u014Dp\u016B Whakamana i Te Tiriti o Waitangi hei reira \u0113tahi k\u014Drero i \u0101ta tirohia e t\u0113nei k\u0101wanatanga t\u0113r\u0101 ripoata i noho tahi me te k\u014Drero ki ng\u0101 mema o Te R\u014Dp\u016B o Te K\u014Dhanga Reo, n\u0101 ka hoatu he t\u012Bmatanga noa iho t\u0113nei, te 32 miriona taara. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EI roto i te w\u0101 kei ahau, e hiahia ana ahau ki te mihi ki t\u0113nei Whare k\u0101tahi an\u014D ka puta mai t\u0113nei tohu maharatanga i roto i t\u0113nei Whare m\u014D ng\u0101 pakanga i roto i Aotearoa nei kei waenganui i Ingarangi, a Te Karauna me ng\u0101 M\u0101ori an\u014D hoki. Ko ahau t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 uri o \u0113r\u0101 pakanga, n\u014D reira ka nui te mihi ki a koutou i reira i taua w\u0101 m\u014D t\u0113nei tohu. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ETe mea whakamutunga, i tino harikoa taku ng\u0101kau, \u014Dku taringa te rongo k\u0101tahi an\u014D ka whakatau t\u0113nei k\u0101wanatanga ka whakaako t\u014D t\u0101tou hitori o Aotearoa i roto i ng\u0101 kura i mua i te tau 2022. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EI wish to speak of an issue which is different from the complaint emanating from that side over there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EIn these past two weeks, I have been overseas in America for a political exchange. During that time, we had M\u0101ori Language Week here in New Zealand, and I was very sad that I wasn\u2019t here that week to celebrate our first language, that is the M\u0101ori language, but at least I have the opportunity today to stand and speak.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EThe topics that I shall speak about today are firstly M\u0101ori Language Week, secondly the unveiling of the plaque commemorating the New Zealand Wars, and thirdly the teaching of history in our schools, because it really was a momentous week while I was away overseas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EI believe that this is Mahuru M\u0101ori, where the idea is to speak M\u0101ori for the whole of September, but I believe that we ought to be staunch advocates of speaking M\u0101ori all the time, wherever we are, every day of the year, just as I am doing standing and speaking M\u0101ori today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EInformation deriving from the census has just been released. I am really happy to see that there has been an increase by 35,000 in the number of M\u0101ori speakers who are actually speaking M\u0101ori. In 2013, there were around 150,000 people who could speak M\u0101ori, but last year in 2018, that number had risen to 185,000 M\u0101ori speakers. Therefore, I congratulate all of us who have committed to learning and to speaking our language. That was the dream of our forebears, those who brought a petition to this Parliament so that we might afford our M\u0101ori language its rightful place of honour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EI also wish to congratulate this Government. The strategy for the revitalisation of the M\u0101ori language has been published by Te Maihi Karauna, which operates on behalf of the Government, but this is a matter for the whole of New Zealand. The aspiration is to have one million people able to speak M\u0101ori by the year 2040. That is the dream. It is important. This Government is allocating funds to support initiatives which will turn the dream into reality.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ESecondly, Te Ahu o te Reo M\u0101ori. The initiative, advanced by the Hon Kelvin Davis, encourages teachers and other people to learn M\u0101ori so that they can use it in k\u014Dhanga reo, English medium early childhood centres, and schools. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EI mention too the $32 million given to k\u014Dhanga reo. On the publication of the Waitangi Tribunal report, the Government took on board some of the recommendations of the report and had discussions with members of the K\u014Dhanga Reo National Trust, resulting in the $32 million, which is just the beginning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EIn the time I have left, I wish to congratulate this House on the commemoration plaque which has just been unveiled in this House which acknowledges the New Zealand Wars between England, the Crown and M\u0101ori. I am one of the descendants from those wars; therefore I acknowledge those of you who were there for this plaque unveiling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EFinally, I am delighted to hear that this Government has recently decided that New Zealand history will be a compulsory subject in schools by 2022.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EThank you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u0022289eaec4d7384918b64bfc46b5c45d5a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022289eaec4d7384918b64bfc46b5c45d5a\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I commend the member Willow-Jean Prime, who just resumed her seat. It\u2019s a beautiful language beautifully spoken. We live in a beautiful country. We are the children of pioneers. Every New Zealander, if I know one thing about you, it\u2019s that either you or your ancestors came here, travelled further and more freely than anybody else, for a better tomorrow and for a better future for their children. One of the most diverse countries on Earth, it is bound together by that one simple fact that applies to every single one of us, and I think to be a pioneering society is a beautiful feature of our country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EYet I lament that the Government in power today has little respect for human action, for people exercising individual freedom under the law. There are some exceptions. The abortion law reform is long overdue and very welcome. I welcome the Government members\u2014and Opposition members, for that matter\u2014who support my End of Life Choice Bill. But, overwhelmingly, the tenor of this Government is placing more and greater restrictions on what people can do. This Government puts in place so many bans, they might as well be called the Taliban. Let\u2019s run through the list: plastic bags\u2014banned; gold mining expansion by Oceana on the Coromandel\u2014banned; offshore oil and gas exploration\u2014banned; centre-fire semi-automatic rifles\u2014banned; offshore investment in residential land in a country that has been short of capital for its entire history\u2014banned; free speech\u2014the Government says that it wants to restrict not only all of those physical things but the thoughts that it is legitimate to express freely in New Zealand. They\u2019ve gone quiet about that in the recent months, but let us hope that we will not find ourselves like the UK, where we learnt just today that one of New Zealand\u2019s greatest academics, Emeritus Professor James Flynn from Otago, has had refusal from a publisher to publish his book because even an academic treatise about, ironically, freedom of speech might be illegal to publish in the UK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThis is a Government of bans that denies human action, and it replaces it with collectivist projects that inevitably fail. What are some of those projects that the Government has put in place collectively in place of banning individual action? Well, we\u2019ve seen KiwiBuild, a byword these days for failure and disaster, and the reasons for that were intuitive right from the beginning. The problem was not a lack of Government home-building; it was a lack of affordable sections on which to build homes. No builders, even those employed by the Government, can build an affordable home when the average section costs $700,000. The ACT Party could have told the Government that\u2014in fact, we did. Then there\u2019s the hubs, the ill-fated educational hubs that would usurp the role of communities electing boards of trustees\u2014another collectivist idea that undermines individual freedom and human action and actually gets worse results for communities. What about the Commerce Commission and its market studies, having a group of bureaucrats in Wellington trying to work out how much it\u2019s going to cost to get petrol and diesel to different parts of New Zealand\u2014and, of course, we already know they got it all wrong. The Child Poverty Reduction Bill\u2014already failing, ironically, by the measures that it set up. Then we have Ihum\u0101tao, where ACT predicts the Government will find itself facing legal action from Fletcher\u2019s, being sued for destroying their property rights as the hapless PM waded into a dispute and actually made it worse. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThe fact of the matter is that we can do a lot better in this country. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6dc36f0242448afb2f276cd42fdf35d\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019d just remind the Minister for Women, you can\u2019t move your seat.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221edb907860d14dad9cae8074e876575c\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: In this country, we can be a place where children of pioneers enjoy freedom under the law and individuals make a difference in their own lives and the lives that they care about, in lieu of the political, grand Government schemes that this Government so often and so haplessly imposes upon us. That\u2019s why this country needs an ACT Party, a party that stands for freedom, because this country and all that is good about it is based on individual freedom under the law. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u002236597930f848433395f781e49338f4b5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002236597930f848433395f781e49338f4b5\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call Michael Wood, could I just remind the Minister that the Standing Orders are quite clear: she cannot move her seat to get a better position to interject, and interjections should be rare and reasonable, not a barrage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022 data-id=\u0022155bba8ac442491ca46a5f29001458fc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022155bba8ac442491ca46a5f29001458fc\u0022\u003EMICHAEL WOOD (Labour\u2014Mt Roskill):\u003C/span\u003E I thank the ACT Party caucus for their contribution in this general debate. It\u2019s rather like Custer\u2019s Last Stand, defending ideas that reached their intellectual peak in about the late 1970s, and I have great admiration for the member for his commitment to that particular cause. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003EWhat an absolute contrast we have seen in this general debate, and it really does sum up the political environment in New Zealand at this time. We\u2019ve heard from Government members today with ideas, an optimistic vision for New Zealand, and an inclusive approach to bringing our fellow New Zealanders together to build a decent country in which everyone has a shot at a good life. That is what this coalition Government stands for. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003EOn the other hand, we have an Opposition that is absolutely mired in negativity and desperate\u2014desperate\u2014to foster division for their own political ends. That has been the fundamental approach of this Opposition over the last three months, and I believe it is a shameful approach. We have a concept in this country of an honourable and a loyal Opposition that fights its corner, that fights the ideas, that puts forward its vision for a better country, but we deserve better than an Opposition that looks for any little issue that can divide New Zealanders one from another in order to win votes. I say that this Parliament and this country deserve better than that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003EThat Opposition in that respect is led by an intellectual and political pygmy who has constructed his entire approach around this divisive approach. Can you imagine a person in this country who chooses to try and make political capital out of the Christchurch Call, out of our Prime Minister\u2019s efforts on the international stage to stop the proliferation of hate speech and conduct online that fosters division and encourages violent action against minorities? While our Prime Minister is out there on the international stage, bringing countries and organisations together to stop that kind of activity, that kind of activity and hate that fuelled the awful attack in Christchurch, we have a Leader of the Opposition who tried to use that as a wedge, who tried to use it as a political tool, who criticised the Prime Minister for taking that approach. That is a pathetic approach, and, actually, the National Party has an honourable tradition of being a party in this country which, while I don\u2019t agree with every position it\u2019s taken throughout its history, has been an honourable party, and they and their supporters actually deserve better than a leader who takes that approach. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s the same with Ihum\u0101tao\u2014an immensely complicated issue, one that was commenced in the term of the previous Government with different parties involved in that situation, and here we have a Government and a Prime Minister who said, \u201CThis is difficult. This is complicated. But we are going to try and bring people together to foster a solution that can be enduring.\u201D What response do we have from the Leader of the Opposition? Again, a little opportunity to put the needle in to try and divide people apart on crude racial lines to win political votes. That is absolutely appalling, and I think people out there are seeing it for what it is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003EFinally, we have gun law reform. I was very proud to chair the Finance and Expenditure Committee during tranche one of the gun law reforms, where our Prime Minister, shortly after those horrific attacks in Christchurch, said, \u201CWe will take action on this issue that has been ignored for too many years, and take the most dangerous firearms out of our communities to keep people safer.\u201D It was, I believe, an honourable thing that this Parliament almost unanimously came together and worked together for that, and I acknowledge colleagues on the other side of the House. I particularly acknowledge the Hon Judith Collins, who took a lead role in that from the National Party\u2019s point of view. That has entirely changed with the next phase of gun law reform, which has focused on actually implementing the remaining recommendations that have been sitting there on the table for 20 years, coming out of the Thorp report and other investigations that this House has conducted. Instead, again, we see a nakedly political, divisive approach from the Opposition on this issue, and I just say to them, \u201CJust pause and breathe and think about how we can work together on this issue.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003EThis is a Government that is taking action on the long-term challenges which face New Zealand; a Government which has built over 2,000 State houses to deal with the housing crisis in two years, when that previous Government built about 300 in nine years; a Government which is leading action across all three parties of Government to take action on climate change with world-leading zero carbon legislation; and a Government which is finally saying we are not going to let our streams, our lakes, our rivers, our waterways get more and more polluted, as that previous Government did over nine years of taking absolutely no action. I\u2019m so proud of this Government, taking action on those long-term issues and building a country that is fair and inclusive for all New Zealanders. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u00228515a9ea49be407b9f53115f63110a5b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228515a9ea49be407b9f53115f63110a5b\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Madam Speaker. I hesitated to interrupt the member\u2019s speech, but I put it to you that his characterisation of members of the Opposition as \u201Cpygmies\u201D is highly inappropriate and brings the House into disrepute, and also is somewhat ironic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u002230c0a18c91d24344a8b389676f9518fd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002230c0a18c91d24344a8b389676f9518fd\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I must confess I did think the latter. I think the comment reflects more on the speaker than it does on the Opposition. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe debate having concluded, the motion lapsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224ecf311ce0f247c3a63fab6bd2da02c2\u0022\u003EAuckland Regional Amenities Funding Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022dcb5bd0129ca4528ab01bfaaac6ebc27\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022 data-id=\u00229e4f2cb74e5745a5ab8345b6b8207332\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229e4f2cb74e5745a5ab8345b6b8207332\u0022\u003EDr PARMJEET PARMAR (National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Amendment Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Governance and Administration Committee to consider the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EI would like to start by acknowledging the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Board, with a special acknowledgment to David Houldsworth, the acting chair of the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Board, for his leadership in bringing up this issue and the work that they have done to have the bill come before Parliament. Mr David Houldsworth also served as the chief executive of one of the amenities, the Stardome Observatory and Planetarium, which is situated on Manukau Road in the Mt Roskill electorate. For me, it\u2019s a great pleasure to be the sponsor of this bill. I agree and I really hope that all sides will agree with the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Board that it\u2019s important we align the two pieces of legislation that affect all the nine amenities in the Auckland region. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThe Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act 2008 and the Charities Act 2005\u2014this is specifically in relation to the requirement for preparation of financial statements by specified amenities under the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act 2008. The Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Board was established with the introduction of the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act 2008. On a day-to-day basis, the funding board is not responsible for the governance of any of the entities. The sole purpose of the funding board is to administer the provisions of the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act, which primarily comprises determining the levy to be collected from Auckland Council and then distributing that as grants to the specified amenities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThe Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Board distributes grants to organisations that deliver arts, culture, recreational, heritage, rescue, and other facilities and services to the Auckland region. Each of the specified amenities retains its own board of governance and management and is responsible for the decisions made regarding the operations of the organisation. The amenities make significant contributions towards making Auckland an attractive global city. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003ESection 39 of the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act requires that the specified amenities prepare financial statements that contain a statement of financial position prepared in accordance with New Zealand International Financial Reporting Standards and that contain the other statements and information set out in section 39(2)(b). It\u2019s important to note that the specified amenities are registered charitable entities under the Charities Act 2005. In 2015, section 42A of the Charities Act 2005 was amended to require that certain charitable entities, those whose total operating payments are $125,000 or more in each of the two preceding accounting periods, prepare financial statements in accordance with generally accepted accounting practice. The acronym used for this is GAAP, and from here on I\u2019ll use this acronym.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EAt that point, the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act was not amended. So, as a consequence of that, the requirement under the Charities Act 2005 to prepare financial statements in accordance with GAAP is in addition to any other reporting requirement under any other enactment. Consequently, the specified amenities are currently required to prepare financial statements according to both New Zealand International Financial Reporting Standards and GAAP. The purpose of this bill is to fix this inconsistency by removing the requirement that is there for the specified amenities to prepare financial statements according to New Zealand International Financial Reporting Standards under the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act and to permit specified amenities to prepare a single set of financial statements that comply with GAAP. For consistency, this amendment will also amend section 40 of the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act to clarify that the funding board\u2019s audited financial statements are prepared in accordance with GAAP. This is because section 40 of the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act does not specify the accounting standard to which financial statements by the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Board established under section 6 of the Act should be prepared. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EClauses 4 and 5 in this amendment bill before the House, the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Amendment Bill, will remove the current requirement under the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act for the specified amenities to prepare financial statements in accordance with New Zealand International Financial Reporting Standards, and instead will require the specified amenities\u2019 financial statements to be prepared in accordance with GAAP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThe nine amenities are Stardome Observatory, situated in Royal Oak; Auckland Philharmonia Orchestra, situated on Queen Street in Auckland; Auckland Rescue Helicopter Trust in Mechanics Bay, Auckland; Auckland Theatre Company, situated in Mount Eden; Coastguard Northern Region, situated in Mechanics Bay; New Zealand Opera, situated in Parnell; Surf Life Saving Northern Region, situated in Mechanics Bay; Auckland Arts Festival, situated in Auckland central; and WaterSafe Auckland, also known as Drowning Prevention Auckland, in St Marys Bay. It\u2019s important to note that all the amenities are charities and are therefore required to meet the requirements of the Charities Act too, and not to do so could lead to amenities losing their charitable status. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThe New Zealand International Financial Reporting Standard is an older accounting standard, which is generally being phased out and being replaced by GAAP. The difference between the two accounting standards is probably not great, but sufficient that if the amenities are to comply with both standards, they would have to prepare two sets of annual audited accounts. This is an unnecessary burden and cost for the amenities. Currently, the amenities are technically in breach of the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act. However, Audit New Zealand, who audit the funding board and monitors compliance by the amenities with the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act, has agreed to waive this breach on the understanding that this proposed amendment bill is progressing. The objectives of this bill cannot be attained otherwise than by legislation, because the objects are to amend statutory requirements that are currently contained in the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EFinally, I want to again acknowledge David Houldsworth for his efforts and also for communicating with each electorate member of Parliament in the Auckland area about this bill, as this bill affects specified amenities that operate in the Auckland region, and I hope that all sides are supportive of this change to help the amenities board in their effort to fix this difference that is there in two pieces of legislation, which is creating an extra layer of work for them. It\u2019s a simple fix but it means a lot because it will reduce their workload. So I highly recommend this bill to the House. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002254b8c8f9c33844a6940de4ad28811dc5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002254b8c8f9c33844a6940de4ad28811dc5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to. Those who are of that opinion will say Aye, to the contrary, No. The Ayes have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f48e0ae6dbc44e7a99893780be9fb485\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: Are you still taking speeches, Mr Speaker?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da2c3390f17347cf9cfa21989ac44a7d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member didn\u2019t call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf42c9f50f9b493abae1f99a81ec9a27\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I was talking to the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a43d8c6d68364997bd824127ba882318\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member didn\u2019t call, you know.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2561983716244cd814bc4d52ecf9585\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. In the ordinary course of events, the next call was a Labour call. Dr Liz Craig stood to take the call. She didn\u2019t call loudly, but I think she did call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e15d303db00408aa5d3d0706a711190\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to ask the member, very quickly: did she call?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022784d2c83085944ddab35916f3333b107\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: I called quietly, but you didn\u2019t hear me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7bf0ef0b18e4125a04d0ed79ff058c4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Right. Even with my hearing aids, I did not hear the member. I have called a result and, therefore, we can only go backwards by way of\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227bdbc729b43b40b0b37ac34a8e53af2c\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I didn\u2019t complete my call when you spoke.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a82503e29354544bac5c77b25d82c41\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221008f68d989e48ffa0a6f775669675d6\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: I didn\u2019t complete my call when you spoke, so I may not have completed the call at the point you spoke.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc73f3ad5e14470ebd88ef2ba43f4bee\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I did look and, I thought, waited for a call. I have put the question. The only way now to get us out of this pickle\u2014and I do want to say to the member she\u2019s now been here for two years; she should know to call quickly and loudly, and if members on the other side are not happy, they need to call out too, not just stand up. I think the only way of getting out of this pickle is for me to seek the leave of the House to go back a step, and I want to say to members that I would very much appreciate it if leave was granted. So the question before the House is that we revert to the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Amendment Bill at the point we were. Is there any objection to that? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7197af2037944c499ce096081fe7750\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7197af2037944c499ce096081fe7750\u0022\u003EDr LIZ CRAIG (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m very happy to stand in support of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u00228c1e8a924a464c3b8500d05d75aa3ccd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c1e8a924a464c3b8500d05d75aa3ccd\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I take not a long call, but I do want to take a call because the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Amendment Bill has been advocated by these different amenities. Being an Auckland MP, I know a number of them who have sought the advocacy of Parliament to ensure that the burden that they currently face in regards to the financial reporting systems in place would be changed. They do realise that they are in breach. Hence the reasons why they have sought the will of the House to ensure that there would be a change in law to enable them to be able to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EHaving previously been the Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector, one of the challenges with these amenities, these current charities, and other charities around the country is the burden that is often reflected at times for reporting, both financially and in other forms of audit around accreditation. Hence the reasons why I believe that it\u2019s important that this bill would be supported across the House as a bill that is critically important to that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not wanting to take too much longer, but I just want to put it on the record and acknowledge the Auckland Regional Amenities Board, and the role they play in particular. Other parts of the public may require to understand the funding responsibility that they have, and it\u2019s really clear in their 10 years\u2014this was established in 2008\u2014that the board itself has a delegation where no more than 2 percent of the rates collected by the Auckland Council in the previous financial year are used, and it\u2019s these funds that are often distributed out to those different organisations that are part of the role of the bill here before the House\u2014to make that change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo what they\u2019re saying to us in regard to this bill is that the burden for them to have to hold both the role under the Auckland regional amenities legislation and then under their charities status as well becomes critically important for them. Hence the reason for the advocacy around this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EFinally, I want to acknowledge those organisations that have come to seek the support of this House: the Auckland Philharmonia Orchestra, New Zealand Opera, the Auckland Theatre Company, the Auckland Arts Festival, Stardome Observatory, and also there\u2019s Coastguard and Surf Lifesaving Northern Region\u2014and I have personally seen the services these clubs offer to the communities up in Auckland\u2014and the Auckland Rescue Helicopter Trust, WaterSafe Auckland, and Drowning Prevention Auckland. I name them\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222fcfcc4f4dc142f28196143bf7a7b3d2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And it\u2019s now getting repetitious.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf54d6606537481697b2e4bf5f91e301\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. In reflecting on this bill and the intent of the bill, which is to remove the burden that exists over there, I too want to commend this bill to the House. I want to thank those that have worked tirelessly towards this. I look forward to the committee stage as it progresses through the House and comes back to the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u0022eb95c6f8dab940ac85ae965b87a45d60\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eb95c6f8dab940ac85ae965b87a45d60\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Minister of Civil Defence):\u003C/span\u003E As the member whose electorate spans most of Auckland, I do want to stand and support this bill progressing in the House, and I commend the member for the work that she\u2019s done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022 data-id=\u00222c812aad293a4cb788c80e9a7270821b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c812aad293a4cb788c80e9a7270821b\u0022\u003EDENISE LEE (National\u2014Maungakiekie):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to speak in this first reading. It\u2019s fantastic to hear that there\u2019ll be support across both sides of the House. I\u2019m quite familiar with the Auckland regional amenities group, as a former councillor in Auckland, and the reporting of the nine amenities on an annual basis and some of the to and fro that exists in allocation of funding, as you might imagine\u2014highly sought after and much-needed funding for these very big charitable organisations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EI should start\u2014and I\u2019ve forgotten\u2014by referring to the entity by its M\u0101ori terminology: Te Poari \u0101-Takiw\u0101 Tuku P\u016Btea Taonga Whakaahuru. I would like to point out what has happened since the, I guess, coming on or the live activation of the Charities Act 2005. What that\u2019s done is kick off a second set of accounting practices for these nine amenities. They\u2019ve got a combination of requirements. It\u2019s specifically a dual reporting requirement, and what this particular bill is doing is requiring one less requirement. When you look at the nature of charities in New Zealand\u2014and certainly all nine of these\u2014and the sometimes cumbersome paper workload they have, it means that to ask them to do two things at once, especially when it comes to finances and accounting practices, is cumbersome. So we support this bill because we\u2019re looking for a practical way forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EI thank Dr Parmjeet Parmar, a list MP based in Mt Roskill, for her work on this and for sponsoring this bill. I, as the MP for Maungakiekie, also take in part of that same park and so does the Hon Paul Goldsmith from Epsom. So there are a number of MPs that have jurisdiction\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224ded5c2766541aaac262f66df1a1707\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: You might be forgetting someone there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad1d6fd1f38d42e4a63d3daf724c23e8\u0022\u003EDENISE LEE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014in and around the Stardome Observatory. I\u2019m referring to the MPs of my party and, yes, I will pay attention to David Seymour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003EThe Stardome Observatory chief executive who has recently retired is the acting chair of the\u2014may I use terminology and say ARAFA, Mr Speaker?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7abb66abb3e424fa0bf6f097817a886\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: You may as long as you can relate it to the bill, which you\u2019re having a bit of\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022806c2f97787d45a3b0a850531967cfaf\u0022\u003EDENISE LEE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s the acronym for Auckland Regional Amenities Funding\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d43f0b30363f4bddbaf9deef4cfa2a40\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just saying the name doesn\u2019t make it relevant. Let\u2019s get on with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278eeea88b3d64c2b850edeb26cf01bd9\u0022\u003EDENISE LEE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014colloquially known as ARAFA\u2014easier to say and less tongue-twisty. For Mr Houldsworth to be in the acting chair capacity for ARAFA, I think, deserves a mention. It\u2019s a bit of a tireless job that he\u2019s taken on, especially, as I mentioned earlier, the to and fro between nine major charitable organisations and their dire need for funding.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022943fd636-21ec-4442-9a72-68c49464776f\u0022\u003ESo when I look at this bill I would simply say thank you very much for what seems to be broad support across the House. This is a practical measure. We all know that charitable organisations need support wherever they can. Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the chance to bring these few words. We support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022 data-id=\u0022dff05badbdfe45f6b9d815d0a8df7651\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dff05badbdfe45f6b9d815d0a8df7651\u0022\u003EDr JIAN YANG (National):\u003C/span\u003E I will speak briefly on the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Amendment Bill. First of all, I would like to congratulate my colleague Dr Parmjeet Parmar for her hard work. This is a very useful bill. Although it\u2019s a very small bill, I say it\u2019s a very useful bill because it relates to many Aucklanders, because the nine amenities are really related to the daily lives of Auckland City residents. The city itself is a very diverse city, just like New Zealand. I want to emphasise that New Zealand - wide, 25 percent of people were born overseas, but in Auckland that\u2019s nearly 40 percent. [Speaker holds up the bill] What I\u2019m saying is that, actually, these amenities represent the diversity of New Zealand and Auckland. That is why I\u2019m saying this is important for us to support the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d76a7d2d25e146f4ab9c929ef951d05a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And now we\u2019ll start talking about the bill, not the amenities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4bcdcb44a0148b6a0636d7768b44c99\u0022\u003EDr JIAN YANG\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. So the bill basically will make it easier for these amenities to do their financial reports. That is necessary because at the moment these amenities have to do their financial reporting according to what we call the New Zealand International Financial Reporting Standards, which is an old standard, actually, and means that they have to do two sets of financial reports. But if we use another one, which is recommended by this particular bill, like in the Charities Act 2005, it means it will be easier for these amenities to do their financial reporting, which would be more cost-effective.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003EWe believe it\u2019s important because we need to support these amenities, and these amenities are doing this anyway. It\u2019s just not really in accordance with the Act itself\u2014that is, the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Act 2008. So the purpose of the bill is to, basically, make sure these amenities could do what they believe to be easier for them to do and it would be more cost-effective for them to do, and we believe it\u2019s important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003EIf we look at this particular purpose of the bill, and at the same time we may look at the purpose of the funding board itself, the funding board is actually to encourage the diverse society of New Zealand. As we can see, the funding board would fund activities related to arts, culture\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da7452a185374736b61e9c8337614cfc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK. Second warning, last warning: stick to the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022656487fe-e0a2-485c-8dc2-fe61b9aec128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022474a4cf49efd4c4e9ab72b74690191e0\u0022\u003EDr JIAN YANG\u003C/span\u003E: OK. So, basically, I would say that we support the bill because we believe this bill itself will be able to enable these amenities to do a better job in serving the community. I believe it\u2019s important because, at this stage, these amenities are using this Charities Act practice anyway, so we are trying to make sure they are doing this legally with this amendment bill. Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f36fd9576841401484f404b5d4fb5859\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f36fd9576841401484f404b5d4fb5859\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I want to congratulate Parmjeet Parmar for doing the real hard work of an MP in bringing a local bill to this Parliament. I know, as\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2aee589b88249a2b274cac66012b1a2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The member should read the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db7d5c78ad734d65bb029460cbe4f85f\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s a local bill\u2014is it? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221621b787b05143ba9528a77c1c548a37\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Private. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf0495191be04f25a5d49bc54c764960\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not a local bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a124a2023e474e13abf8a553ac520a43\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: No? It\u2019s a private bill, and I want to congratulate her for that too, because I know, as the MP for Epsom, that many of the organisations\u2014some of which are the opera based in Parnell and others such as the Auckland Philharmonia Orchestra, which is heavily frequented by Epsom electorate residents\u2014will appreciate this additional convenience in regard to the tax obligations and accounting applied to those organisations. So I commend this bill to the House. Thank you, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022 data-id=\u00223a88666eef67400bbbb2b6a02caffc6c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223a88666eef67400bbbb2b6a02caffc6c\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN (National\u2014Pakuranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker, for the opportunity to speak to this private bill, the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Amendment Bill. I just want to make a few brief comments on behalf of everyone in the Pakuranga electorate, but, firstly, I\u2019d like to acknowledge Parmjeet Parmar for bringing this bill to Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s an important bill for Auckland, and it\u2019s an important bill because it affects some of our important organisations which play a critical role in our community. This bill, in particular, will assist the coastguard, who have a big presence in Howick, in my electorate. They are one of the amenities which will benefit from this. I just want to say that it\u2019s important that we make things as easy as possible for charitable trusts, incorporated societies, and organisations like these, who are generally run by volunteers\u2014run by people who have a passion for their community and want to make a real difference in their community\u2014so that the red tape, the duplication of processes, and all of those elements are reduced. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s exactly what this bill will mean, particularly for the coastguard. I acknowledge, again, their presence in my electorate. What this bill essentially does will mean that they will no longer have to put forward two sets of financial accounts under the New Zealand International Financial Reporting Standards and the generally accepted accounting practice. That will simplify their processes and save them money, which will essentially mean that that money can be put towards the good work that they do in the community. It will mean that they can put more resource towards the coastguard in Howick and less resource towards having to pay accountants to prepare financial accounts, which won\u2019t be necessary any longer under this piece of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m looking forward to more lives being saved at sea and less accounting documents being prepared. That\u2019s something which will benefit my electorate. I support this bill. Thank you, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca3779607536449ba847d0e6735c5690\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca3779607536449ba847d0e6735c5690\u0022\u003EPRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise to make a very short call to say that we support the intent of the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Amendment Bill and, therefore, support it to go to select committee. I commend this bill to the House. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u00226a2a1cd76d4c43ecabad5c948a0472d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226a2a1cd76d4c43ecabad5c948a0472d6\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee20a893af894dbd8c8f5ce72e0d3764\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve lost the member\u2019s name. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e04c29a872474e0fb157637d9964fcab\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s all right. You don\u2019t have to remember my name; you just have to give me the call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f4bbaff22644db783f186081025eea0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes\u2014Simon O\u2019Connor. I apologise. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209dd0ef80196417d8eec90e19a056410\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Fantastic. Look, thank you very much. I just feel inspired all of a sudden to give a speech in this House. It\u2019s sort of a contrarian nature in me, perhaps, that when those who show a lack of competence and knowing\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022695e82454e834477a52e38c8dedc365b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Now, the member will speak about the bill, or he will be terminated. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022903fbb787b0e4fbfb7b3b54c299dd0e0\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Indeed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228a1cb04e-8a86-44d1-9004-6e158e220339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c33dbc2af491445f93b902adb4df71e4\u0022\u003EHon Tim Macindoe\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s inspired by the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225445fba7c4c04acbbb8bbcf5fd214e35\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely he\u2019s inspired by the bill, which is, of course, a private bill in the name of Dr Parmjeet Parmar: the Auckland Regional Amenities Funding Amendment Bill. The first critique is it is a rather long title, but we\u2019ll deal with that in committee stage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI think the key element for me is that the people of T\u0101maki, who I represent, would be very supportive of this for two, or, actually, three reasons. The first, as has been highlighted by other speakers\u2014but, of course, I\u2019ll be giving the T\u0101maki perspective on this\u2014is that it\u2019s around a change of accounting practices. The second reason is that, certainly, my constituents are always concerned about how rates are spent, and so this amendment bill is going to make sure that rates are spent more efficiently as a consequence of tidying up the accounting practices. The third reason is that while a number of these organisations like the Auckland Philharmonia Orchestra (APO) and the New Zealand Opera are based outside of T\u0101maki, I think that if they were to open up their books, they would find that those fine, fine constituents of that electorate probably put in the most amounts of money, aside from the Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EDr Parmjeet Parmar, of course, is sponsoring this bill. As a private bill, it requires a member of Parliament to do so. I think it\u2019s most appropriate that it has been an Auckland MP, and\u2014not to belabour the point too much\u2014being an MP in more of this central region is actually quite symbolically important for this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EWhat it, effectively, is doing is aligning two sets of accounting standards, or, actually more accurately, it is removing one of them. As I\u2019m sure you\u2019re very much aware, the New Zealand International Financial Reporting Standards is the older of the two standards. The other is the generally accepted accounting practice, under the acronym GAAP. Effectively, they are two different standards, and because of an anomaly in the law\u2014malicious, intentional, a mistake, or otherwise\u2014the fund has to apply both. It probably doesn\u2019t take much explaining, but, again, I feel very expired, because they have to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245ac08f529d743aeb9f0663b253cf076\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CExpired\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f595136343d437a98a56af2cc11f7dd\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Inspired. Yeah, I should have\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220dd15d313d80409c846eb1909b3f9baa\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: You should have expired. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ae784d6731f454094b59bdbb172ec36\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Well, actually, to expire is the next bill, but that\u2019s by intention. The key is that they now have to do two sets of accounts, and that\u2019s two sets of expenses. When one reflects not only on the nature of the amenities fund but those they fund themselves, they need efficiencies, and that plays into the second and third points that I was raising. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EFirst and foremost, this fund only attracts about 2 percent of the total spend of the councils and, as such, certainly to the fine people of T\u0101maki, they will want to make sure that of that 2 percent, most of it is going to actually fund the likes of the APO, the New Zealand Opera, and the like, and it\u2019s not going into a dual set of accounts. One of the questions I actually put to the member when she put forward the bill was, well, surely they can just present the one copy twice\u2014do it in one format and hand it across to the next. Of course they cannot, and hence we now have to move down the private bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo the first reason is efficiencies within the fund. The second is that it will also reflect, I think, as a consequence of this bill, that if the amenities fund is working more efficiently, as one would expect, if it\u2019s doing so and if it\u2019s seen to be accountable\u2014all puns intended\u2014that will, in turn, play quite happily into the hands of locals, who will want to donate more. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo the amenities fund is a critical part of New Zealand\u2014well, let\u2019s not be too dramatic\u2014of Auckland\u2019s structures. As I said, it\u2019s, effectively, a council body, and one that sits within council\u2019s purview. As I said\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0ae42127d4a4db6bcba6e1a43ec9b2d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! Back to the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b7704b123444192b0f96b160f72074a\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Back to the bill. Talking about the amenities fund, which sits under the council\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5e06bc6f2bb404b8ff51857a9eb3540\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. That\u2019s not part of the\u2014that\u2019s not the subject of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292c552e042654792ad2e5f08e7cc7623\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Fantastic. That\u2019s all right\u2014we\u2019ve chewed up another 10 seconds. So the key is that we\u2019ve got here a situation where they\u2019re going to apply one accounting practice from now on\u2014fortunately, the more modern one. Fundamentally, what this is going to achieve is that the amenities fund and those they can assist will be fundamentally, Mr Speaker, able to keep more of that hard-given cash by the ratepayer and to provide more money to those nine entities, which I\u2019m sure it\u2019s a great relief to you that I will not name. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m very pleased, Dr Parmjeet Parmar, that you have brought this to the House. I look forward to its speedy, speedy progress, which is somewhat presciently indicated by the speed of the debate in this House, and as an act of generosity, I leave the last 15 seconds. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022 data-id=\u002201cce8ab3f6b48d4bce1a1c27d504802\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002201cce8ab3f6b48d4bce1a1c27d504802\u0022\u003EDr PARMJEET PARMAR (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I won\u2019t take long. This is a very simple and short bill, but a significant bill for the nine amenities that are going to be affected once this bill has gone through, because it will make their lives easier. Their paperwork will be reduced, and that\u2019s really important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the amenities board for raising this issue with us and helping us fix this issue. I am sure David Houldsworth and his team will be very happy to see this bill progressing through the House. I want to acknowledge all sides for their support. Finally, I want to say that it\u2019s actually a real pleasure to sponsor this bill, being based in Mount Roskill, as David Houldsworth served as the chief executive of one of the amenities that is based in Mount Roskill. So I look forward to working with the Governance and Administration Committee on this bill. Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EBill read a first time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EBill referred to the Governance and Administration Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229efdd157bbfc4cc1b07cf1e1ae37acbb\u0022\u003EEnd of Life Choice Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022dddf3c0abc834fd8a9f0d5a69bc46f43\u0022\u003EIn Committee \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000487\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 11 September. \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228bf44b8e9d6b407ca9474157c3ff375f\u0022\u003EPart 4  Related matters\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022f0d4a26fe2de47b0bcc237a3375c61e2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f0d4a26fe2de47b0bcc237a3375c61e2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, when we were last considering the bill, the committee had completed the debate on Part 3, and we come now to Part 4. For members\u2019 information, all the Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) on the End of Life Choice Bill that are fewer than five pages long have been collated into sets on the Table, and Supplementary Order Papers longer than five pages are on the Table individually. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EI wish to let members know that SOP 383 in the name of Harete Hipango, which relates to duties in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi, and SOP 382 in the name of the Hon Alfred Ngaro, which relates to cultural considerations, set operational requirements that should have applied to the provision of assisted dying services\u2014i.e., taking account of that person\u2019s ethnic background or a person\u2019s family and wh\u0101nau participation. As such, these amendments should be in Part 2 and cannot be in Part 4, which contains only provisions of general application. Therefore, there will be no debate on these Supplementary Order Papers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThat brings us then to Part 4, debate\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265afdf0946fa4bb883e3d1aa083276f6\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. Thank you for that ruling, Madam Chair. I just wonder whether there were references in Part 2 to cultural dimensions, and if not, whether or not the presiding officers have considered whether that SOP or SOPs would therefore constitute a new part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f32c0896abce416ba7d0bbf8aea84a32\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, we have considered that, and I think the writers of the SOP also considered that. In Part 2, we did consider the taking of cultural family or wh\u0101nau into consideration. That was debated. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9c258ff286e452ea61e13aceb75b8b9\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. With regard to both of those SOPs you\u2019ve advised to be ruled out, I seek your guidance in relation to, for a start, SOP 382\u2014the cultural considerations one we might refer to. In fact, you\u2019ll see that the scope is broad enough that it would also include Part 3. So it might be your ruling that it\u2019s not appropriate for Part 4 in that it relates to Part 2 and Part 3, but I think, with all due respect, you can\u2019t fairly say that it relates only to Part 2 and should therefore have been confined to that debate. It refers to any person or organisation that is defined as responsible, accorded a duty under the Act, and that clearly could be not only a person or organisation under Part 2 but also Part 3\u2014for example, the Support and Consultation for End of Life in New Zealand Group and the review committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022927c6c98863a4d78ac2313081c57a306\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I thank the member for clarifying my ruling to include Part 3 as well as Part 2. OK, so now we\u2019re on Part 4. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200e14695078e4fd8ba766a13f2e07c46\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e057b7ab522e438086cda05b726bc783\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: A point of order. I hope we\u2019re not going to keep on debating, because I have actually ruled. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a89537e58f9e4affa1b50edaf0c094c3\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: Not wanting to relitigate your ruling, Madam Chair, but just in regards to Part 4, \u201CRelated matters\u201D, and clause 24, \u201COther rights and duties not affected\u201D\u2014under that, is there also provision and ability to be able to look at parts which have been ruled out on SOP 382 but do relate to the aspect in regards to the roles and responsibilities that could be under that provision, under other rights and duties, especially in the duty of care of those as health practitioners? So I\u2019m just wanting to seek your clarification, because it is relating to Part 4. It is about related matters. It does go to the point of clause 24, other rights and duties not affected by that. So I\u2019m just seeking your clarification. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EAlso, in clause 25, \u201CEffect on contracts of death under this Act\u201D, we do know that there are other forms of legislation that do talk about responsibilities under the Treaty\u2014the Coroners Act in particular\u2014to do with that, which has been before this House, where there are particular roles and responsibilities under the duty of care, especially the effects on contracts of death under this Act. So I\u2019m just seeking your clarification, because those particular parts of those SOPs actually do relate to parts in Part 4. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a0652ace7b542e6bf2023d86f525bd3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, look, I understand exactly the concern that the member is expressing. I refer him to his colleague\u2019s SOP 364, which proposes an SOP that is in a form that is in order. That could have been used to achieve the ends that the member was trying to propose with his SOP. So perhaps the member might like to have a look at SOP 364. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264925057c60d4d699d18da1267a38c36\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, Madam Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d319f805a3aa477c8e772f413a2a9b76\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I don\u2019t need any more help. I\u2019ve actually ruled, and I\u2019ve been pretty indulgent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb896ac03e6d44faac4213dda6bb20f3\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: Just talking about process, not wanting to take against your ruling then. Since you have then opened the opportunity under that, are there parts of the SOP that you\u2019ve ruled out\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201e948f607be47fc85cc3b22f1cf7b71\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve ruled out the whole lot. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ced352b57d4432097c92056e1e8d90e\u0022\u003EHon Alfred Ngaro\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014that we can speak to? That\u2019s correct, but you\u2019ve also said that under SOP 364, there is potential provision there to include that. So is there a way to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d5948ea8451048ba8f7e657ed2bb947b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. I\u2019m sorry; the member misunderstands me. Your colleague Melissa Lee phrased SOP 364 in a way that was in order. You might like to have a look at it and resubmit an SOP in that form, which may well be in order then\u2014may, depending on how it\u2019s worded. In the meantime, the other two are out of order and not necessarily to be debated, even though we\u2019ve debated them quite well. OK, so that brings us to Part 4. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u0022692f4154ab894c74a1ca3de862e5daea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022692f4154ab894c74a1ca3de862e5daea\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. As you\u2019ve said, we now turn to Part 4 of the End of Life Choice Bill, and I\u2019d like to quickly run through the clauses that comprise Part 4, which is entitled \u201CRelated matters\u201D. We are now debating not so much the main provisions of the End of Life Choice Bill but some of the changes to other enactments and some of the provisions that are put in for the avoidance of doubt rather than the main principles of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 23 allows the Governor-General, by Order in Council, to make regulations prescribing forms. This is being done in order that if there are, for example, regulations needing to be made, as with most pieces of legislation it\u2019s important that the Minister, through the Governor-General, can do that. My Supplementary Order Paper 259 makes a slight change: rather than allowing the Governor-General only to prescribe forms, they can make more general regulations to assist the functioning of the bill that may be necessary for its administration or giving it full effect. Members will see in a later section the duty of creating forms, such as those required to be returned by medical practitioners to the registrar, are able to be made by the Director-General of Health in a later clause. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 24 is what I would describe as a for the avoidance of doubt clause. It makes it clear that nothing in this bill prevents somebody exercising their rights, which are clearly laid out in the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, to refuse nutrition, hydration, or other life-sustaining medical treatment, and that nothing in this bill takes away a doctor\u2019s duty to alleviate suffering in accordance with standard medical practice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 24A is a new clause, which, again, I would describe as being there for the avoidance of doubt. It states that one cannot have an advance directive. In some countries where end of life choice is legal, they actually allow people to sign an advance directive that says, \u201CIf I meet certain conditions, I would like other people to decide that my life should end.\u201D I\u2019ve been opposed to that from the beginning, over four years of campaigning on this bill, and clause 24A reinforces that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 24B, another new clause, says, \u201CWelfare guardians have no power to make decisions or take actions under this Act\u201D. So, again, you cannot have a welfare guardian making decisions for you under the End of Life Choice Act. This was already very clear, because the medical practitioners have to communicate with the person, and they have to do that directly, but it\u2019s made clearer by 24B. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 25 says that this Act has no effect on contracts. If for instance a person had a life insurance contract, the fact that they choose to avail themselves of the End of Life Choice Act does not alter that contract. A lot of people have been concerned about what the End of Life Choice Bill might mean for life insurance. This makes it absolutely clear that there will be no changes to life insurance policies if you take advantage of the End of Life Choice Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 25A, \u201CRestrictions on making public details of assisted dying death\u201D\u2014this is important. It enforces the rules around suicide reporting that the media have been following in New Zealand for the past several years. Of course there will be statistics, of course there will be data, of course there will be oversight by the Ministry of Health, by Support and Consultation for End of Life in New Zealand, by the review committee, and by the registrar, but the public reporting of specific details of how a person dies under this Act will be prohibited, and I think that\u2019s desirable. I note there are a few amendments on the Table from Chris Penk. Chris has one to remove these restrictions and another amendment to add these restrictions to the bill, so, possibly, he forgot that he\u2019d put one in before he put the other in, I\u2019m not quite sure, but that\u2019s Chris Penk for you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 26 is a really critical clause. This is about immunity. Fundamentally, under this bill, helping somebody procure suicide remains a crime in the Crimes Act. A person has immunity from being involved in that activity only if they follow the provisions in this Act, the very high hoops and tight safeguards that must be followed if a person wants to comply with the law under this Act. It\u2019ll become critical, as we address some of the other amendments members have proposed, to be clear that if a person dies at your hand and you don\u2019t properly follow the provisions of this bill, then you are still fully liable under the Crimes Act for all of the severe penalties for procuring suicide or causing death that are there. However, a person who follows all the provisions in this Act does have criminal and, in clause 27, civil liability. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 27, \u201COffences\u201D: there are a number of offences that might take place separate from the cause of death, and this is something that I think some members submitting amendments may not have fully understood if they read the bill. There is the crime of wrongly ending a life without the person\u2019s consent, without checking that they\u2019re competent, without due process, and so on. That is a very serious crime, and that remains to be punished under the Crimes Act for the various sanctions that people face if they do that, but there are also, conceivably, other offences under this Act where a person doesn\u2019t actually die but where, nevertheless, somebody didn\u2019t fill out a form correctly or somebody, somehow, you know, didn\u2019t properly consult or report but there wasn\u2019t any death involved. Now, I think it\u2019s desirable to have penalties in that instance. I think we are taking a very hard line as a Parliament by saying that you can be fined $10,000 or go to prison for three months for making an administrative error under this bill. This is a very, very tight and strict set of rules under the End of Life Choice Bill. However\u2014however\u2014we are not applying the full penalties of sending someone to jail, for instance, for 14 years for an administrative error, and I think some of the members who have been putting up amendments around changing the penalties may not have properly understood those features of the bill, which is a shame. If they\u2019d come and talked to me, I would\u2019ve been more than happy to help. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 27A allows the director-general to approve forms, so I raise this in the context of clause 23. The Governor-General can make a range of amendments to help with the functioning of the bill, but the creation of forms is really important, too, having standardised forms where people will report\u2014doctors will report, health practitioners will report\u2014proceedings under the bill, whether they\u2019ve properly examined people and come to their conclusions in a robust way. Those require forms, and I think the right place for those to be finalised and established is by the Director-General of Health, which is what 27A provides. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EClause 28, \u201CAmendments to other enactments\u201D, actually contains the Schedule, so clause 28 is quite a significant section. It has amendments to other Acts in Part 1: the Burial and Cremation Act, death certificates; changes to the Coroners Act; changes to the Crimes Act in relation to section 41, in relation to preventing a person from committing suicide; changes to the Health Act and Health and Disability Commissioner Act\u2014there\u2019s been some back and forth with the Health and Disability Commissioner about that, and I hope we\u2019ve got to a happy place with him\u2014Births, Deaths, Marriages, and Relationships Registration (Prescribed Information) Regulations\u2014again, there were some necessary changes to the way death certificates, for instance, are done under this Act. The principle there, by the way, is that if a person uses the End of Life Choice Act to end their life, then their death certificate records that fact but also records the underlying cause of death, the thing that qualified them as somebody eligible for assisted dying, and that actually takes us to the end of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ESo that\u2019s Part 4, a series of amendments, many of which are for the avoidance of doubt\u2014one of which clarifies the status around criminal and civil immunity of a person who follows this law, another that sets out the penalties for people who make administrative errors under this law in a way that does not lead to loss of life, and also a number of consequential amendments to other bills to make sure that the End of Life Choice Act fits snugly and efficiently with all of the other statutes that this Parliament has made throughout its life. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EWith that, I hope that we can have a speedy debate where valid questions can be answered and we can move on to more legislation. Thank you, Madam Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022 data-id=\u0022abc3a3be0ad24e68be3a37d746c10497\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022abc3a3be0ad24e68be3a37d746c10497\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to say good choice, but there were some lovely choices over there, so hopefully they\u2019ll get to speak on their Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) as well. I have four Supplementary Order Papers in my name, and I\u2019d like to move them and potentially speak to all of them, but I\u2019d like to start off with SOP 367 in my name specifically, because the member who sponsors this bill, David Seymour, has actually talked about how some members in this House have actually misconstrued or have misconceptions in regards to the offences in this bill. He actually tried to make light of the fact that there were some offences in this bill which refer to if there are some administrative errors which are actually no big deal. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to reiterate some of the things that I have actually previously said in this House regarding this bill. This is about life and death. If there is in fact an administrative error, it could potentially result in the death of an innocent person because someone was not fulfilling their duty to the utmost that they could potentially perform in. When we are talking about an offence in this bill, we\u2019re talking about killing someone who may not necessarily have wanted to end their life. If that is the case, to me, that is actually murder, and that has to have the biggest, most powerful and effective administration of what the justice system can actually give this person who has offended. It\u2019s a criminal act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EWhat I am actually suggesting is that instead of just having a light touch\u2014three months\u2019 imprisonment and a fine not exceeding $10,000 for that which could, effectively, kill someone\u2014I am wanting to amend this clause to suggest that the \u201Cperson who commits an offence under this section is liable on conviction [of] either or both of the following: (a) imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years: [or] (b) a fine not exceeding $250,000.\u201D I believe that is actually what the justice system has on offer for people who commit that crime. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EThere are a couple of other things that I just want to say in relation to what this\u2014perhaps a question for the sponsor of the bill. When people are wanting to know if there is actually an offence committed, the sponsor suggested that maybe we should have had a conversation with the sponsor. In a hospital when a person is actually wanting to die, that person cannot necessarily turn round to Mr David Seymour and say, \u201CAm I actually doing the right thing? Am I actually committing murder?\u201D I don\u2019t think Mr Seymour will be called on to assist in the decision-making process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI think the law has to be very, very clear, and if offences are listed in our legislation, it has to be very clear as to what the offence is. There cannot be an error which is administrative\u2014an administrative error, a simple mistake in their judgment, ends up killing someone. I think the member has to be very, very clear. So is it an administrative error? If that is the case, why are we sending them to a three-month imprisonment? The law needs to be very clear, and I think this bill is not very clear in terms of the punishment that people will get if there is an error in their judgment or a mistake that they actually make, or an offence of murder, in effect. I think this law is lacking in the detail, and I think the member probably needs to amend, and I\u2019m trying to assist that member by changing the category of the offence. It is murder, in my opinion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u002240b4ffbd7f464798b0c81975dfd299b7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002240b4ffbd7f464798b0c81975dfd299b7\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Helensville):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. It\u2019s a pleasure to contribute to the Part 4 debate on the End of Life Choice Bill. I\u2019ve got some very specific remarks, of course, to make in relation to certain provisions and Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs), but I thought it was worth starting by placing tonight\u2019s debate in the context of the bill as a whole. Part 4\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222af4be99eab7427ca38720360c6bf4cf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: No, we won\u2019t. No, we won\u2019t, because the member is dicing with not having any more speeches. So I suggest that he gets on and talks to his SOPs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad9639d6e34b4d39b3707e4f7b4f798d\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: I understand, Madam Chair. I am, however\u2014you will be aware\u2014able to speak to matters within Part 4 that are not SOPs as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af0fade58f094f3d995f6cdadcdec324\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: You are. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b30945f9f00477a85683287cf2b902c\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, and that is exactly what I\u2019m about to do. So Part 4 is \u201CRelated matters\u201D. It is the last chance saloon for Mr Seymour to express to the committee, and particularly those members that are comfortable with the idea of euthanasia or assisted suicide in general but are not comfortable with the lack of protection in his bill\u2014it\u2019s the last chance that he has to demonstrate that he\u2019s thought of all the things that are necessary if one is establishing a regime for assisted dying, as it is euphemistically referred to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo in that context, I will be speaking about what\u2019s in Part 4, but it\u2019s also worth noting in passing\u2014and in passing only\u2014that which is not referred in Part 4. The\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e790c85dfa05443eaad29a9958a2e6cf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no. Let\u2019s not go there. Let\u2019s not even try going there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3eb06d390c54d78aa4dda3e98dbcde5\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: OK. Looking at, for a start, SOP 381 in my name, you\u2019ll see that that refers to the Schedule, which is within, of course, Part 4, and it\u2019s the Schedule\u2014Part 2 thereof\u2014that establishes some amendments or proposed amendments to the Health and Disability Commissioner\u2019s code of consumer rights as it\u2019s referred to. So in this contribution, I\u2019d like to speak to that and, more particularly, five different aspects of that SOP and what it is hoping to achieve. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe first thing is the overriding nature of it, and that\u2019s deliberate by design in terms of the wording. I\u2019ll come back to that\u2014the fact that it relates to requesting and receiving services. Third, just a quick note on the terminology within that: consumer and provider. Fourth, relating to a petition that was received today, and I\u2019d like the opportunity to highlight that. Then, finally, just establishing to whose benefit exactly the SOP is envisaged to be for. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo, looking at the first of those aspects, I\u2019ve started with the words \u201CDespite anything else contained in this Code\u201D. The reason for that\u2014and, of course, remembering that this is in relation to the code of patients\u2019 rights, as we might say\u2014is this is designed and specifically set up to be an overriding provision whereby everything else in the code is subject to this. Everything else takes a backseat to this overriding provision\u2014this suggestion that I\u2019m about to make. The reason for that is because the right not to be deprived arbitrarily of life is an overriding consideration in itself. The right to life is a fundamental right in the sense that other rights depend upon it\u2014almost all other rights, I suppose we could say. So, for that reason, I want to make it clear that this proposal is such that we would have a person be able to rely on this right notwithstanding anything else that is said in the code of patient rights. So that\u2019s the first thing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe second thing is the right itself that I would be establishing. That\u2019s for a consumer\u2014I\u2019ll come back to that word in a moment\u2014to have the right to request and receive services only from particular providers. The significance of those two different verbs in relation to services is, of course, that the person has the right to request them and the right to receive them as well. Therefore, there\u2019s a corresponding responsibility on the so-called provider to provide such services, and so it is we sort of have a right-handed duty engaged within that one phrase. Just noting quickly as to terminology that it is a provider and a consumer as defined within the code of rights that I am referring to, in case that terminology should seem strange for what would otherwise traditionally be, for example, a doctor-patient relationship. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ENow, passing to the fourth point that I had highlighted I would be bringing to attention of the House: a petition was received today by the Parliament in the name of Ren\u00E9e Joubert, and it pointed to a petition that had been signed by some 2,600 or so other New Zealanders. That referred to, essentially, the same sort of idea as captured in the SOP. I\u2019d like to talk a bit more about it after the break. It is specifically in relation to those who have advocated for such an idea: those who provide care for vulnerable Kiwis towards the end of their life, those who receive such care already\u2014maybe in a palliative situation, maybe in a situation of terminal illness of an uncertain prognosis, certainly many disabled and elderly New Zealanders\u2014those who are very much at the crossroads, the cross-section, and, indeed, the crosshairs of Mr Seymour\u2019s proposal. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo it is that I think it appropriate as we debate Part 4 of the End of Life Choice Bill that we give some recognition to this petition, this proposal from outside the House, and that we inside the Chamber debating and considering ways that we can improve the bill give some expression and voice to that. I want to give fellow members an opportunity to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ade182cbc00485b8c3ed25f19207fd0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as it relates to Part 4. It would be good if the member would get on with relating the petition to Part 4. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223181579d7afd42abb46687e55e09943a\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Yes indeed, Madam Chair. The petition is exactly the same subject matter of SOP 381. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad239ad2ed9546b7887399914bc969eb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Good. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa93f8d28cf043779c1f346dca89f56f\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Happy to clarify. So it is that, as reflected in the petition and, indeed, similar wording but not identical within the explanatory note, and I\u2019ll take the liberty of quoting from my own explanatory notes: \u201CThis choice will be meaningful for Kiwis who might otherwise fear diagnosis and prognosis from \u2018providers\u2019 (to use the language of the Code of Patient Rights) whose practice includes ending the lives of patients.\u201D So just to spell out very clearly that the SOP is concerned\u2014both in the sense of having as its subject matter but also concerned as in anxious\u2014for those who are feeling in a particularly vulnerable situation, and who could be more vulnerable than those with a terminal illness and all that that implies, including often times at least a temporary situation of depression, as the science indicates is entirely common\u2014certainly not uncommon. It\u2019s for their benefit that we would provide a choice for them to receive services from someone who isn\u2019t actively engaged in providing euthanasia and assisted suicide. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe reason is probably obvious, at least to 119 members of the House, but I\u2019ll spell it out for the benefit of the 120th, which is around, basically, the chilling effect\u2014the fear that a person might have in terms of disclosing the extent of their situation, or even going along to receive health services in the first place and hearing the implications for them that might be put on offer. At least nominally, of course, there is a choice under the bill, and I acknowledge that that at least in philosophical terms is the starting point of the sponsor of the bill and some others who have supported it thus far. But, of course, without rehashing previous discussions in previous parts, of course, the notion of choice in that sense can be rather fluid and flexible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI just want to focus on that word \u201Cchoice\u201D as I\u2019ve used it in that SOP\u2019s explanatory note and also in terms of the right, because, by implication, a right can be exercised or not exercised. There\u2019s an implicit choice even there. That is, of course, if the raison d\u2019\u00EAtre, if the rationale for the bill is, of course, around choice, then it should not only be that a person has the choice to die in a certain way and at a certain time and by requiring the State to participate in that, but they should also have the right, actively, to opt out of that. This is not dissimilar, in a way, to the choice that might have been expressed previously in relation to conscientious objection and so on, but they were covered elsewhere, so, again, I hasten to get in ahead of you there, Madam Chair. We won\u2019t go there again, but just to point out this is a different thing. This is a thing that\u2019s quite specific to this SOP in this part because it has not been covered elsewhere, and it\u2019s because this is a suggestion that will amend that which is elsewhere on our statute book\u2014I use the term \u201Cstatute\u201D rather loosely there. It\u2019s a legislative instrument. It\u2019s if not primary legislation then regulations\u2014in effect, a code which is very important to the lives and health rights of Kiwis. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EAs such, it is hugely important that colleagues who are minded to support the bill in all other respects do need to\u2014I would urge them\u2014understand and to engage with the fact that this choice has got to be both ways. Patients and New Zealanders have to have the choice not to engage in this way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u00228ae4abafb9dd40399fb1763f1f37f1ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228ae4abafb9dd40399fb1763f1f37f1ae\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I\u2019m very delighted, of a sort, to take a call on Part 4. It\u2019s called \u201CRelated matters\u201D, obviously, because that\u2019s what it\u2019s titled. There are some substantial elements to this, as there have been with all elements of the bill. So I actually want to start particularly around clause 28. I\u2019m very happy to be corrected\u2014that allows me to talk on some of the schedules, the related parts on the schedules? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e1a420699434e3ea63e8fe501c22f48\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Mmm. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224bb0d32360324328aa8209d128884c53\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Tremendous. Clause 28, both in what returned from the Justice Committee from Part 4 and as also affirmed on Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 269, in someone\u2019s name, has, effectively, moved what were amendments to other pieces of legislation\u2014such as the Burials and Cremations Act\u2014out of the bill proper and into the Schedule section. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EAnd there are two elements I want to raise on what is on SOP 269. Firstly, to do with the Schedule, in Part 1 we have, in the proposed clause 46CA, a certificate of the cause of death, and in clause 46CA(2) we have a rather backwards-looking piece of text here\u2014and the member in the chair might care to understand or opine. It talks about the medical practitioner or nurse practitioner\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db6debeddf594a48a39cf243341b606e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry to interrupt the member. In whose name is SOP 269? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af2ef58d31c24a7bbf499c86352755cd\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t know, actually. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f25ed2b6b02b467894d517fbb7ee7001\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Are you sure it\u2019s not 259? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e947e8796618423fbe06492f3dbdffca\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, apologies: SOP 259. I\u2019m not wearing my glasses. Actually, strangely, if I might, the piece of paper itself says SOP 259, but at the bottom of the document it says \u201C269\u20142/SOP 25\u201D\u2014apologies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212e2152aec7e4b03b0e4aafa4e84102e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s all right. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc7fc3bebf7745efbec8be9c31889783\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, without my glasses\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0fa67e2211f4876a67d523646508c99\u0022\u003EHon Clare Curran\u003C/span\u003E: Do you want to borrow mine? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7d3b4110226432bb3dea9bf47f3afd6\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m tempted, but then it\u2019s a vanity issue. I\u2019m happy to put that on the record. Anyway, vanitas vanitatum. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo what clause 46CA on SOP 259\u2014and thank you, Madam Chair\u2014looks to do is reference \u201Cmedical practitioner\u201D or \u201Cnurse practitioner\u201D. Now, in and of itself, that\u2019s not a problem, but those in the House who\u2019ve been here a little while will know that we passed a piece of legislation around, basically, replacing terms like \u201Cmedical practitioner\u201D with \u201Chealth practitioner\u201D. So we\u2019ve ended up with a rather perverse dynamic, I\u2019d suggest, here of actually limiting those who are available to actually sign the certificate of death. I would like to know whether the member in the chair is conscious that he has actually limited things here\u2014and maybe it\u2019s for a good reason. But, again, what we did a couple of years ago was to make sure that where once documents related to the certification of death were only the purview of a medical practitioner\u2014particularly for those maybe not as versed in health, a medical practitioner is, effectively, and solely, a doctor\u2014we changed the law to mean that, actually, anyone who is a health practitioner, and that would include nurse practitioner, would be included. So I raise that as an option there: that actually we amend it. I might table an amendment later to try and tidy that up. I think it would be more in line with existing legislation. I think the member who took the initial call was talking up that this particular Schedule coming out of clause 28, links clause 28, is meant to align things. If that is true, then there should be an amendment to clause 46CA(2) to, basically, say \u201Ca health practitioner who is available to the person must, before the death, give the certification.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThe next element that\u2019s in this Schedule, which in turn relates to clause 28, is in Part 2. It\u2019s something I\u2019ve had a problem with for a long, long time. It\u2019s in relation to births, deaths, marriages, and relationships registrations. It\u2019s always rather long, but the second subparagraph there of new regulation 7(1)(a)(xiiia)\u2014or \u201C13a\u201D, if you take out the Roman parlance\u2014is to indicate that the person died of their terminal illness. That is completely inaccurate. I would ask that that be removed. The person in a euthanasia assisted suicide situation does, by definition, not die of their terminal illness. If they were to die of their terminal illness, they\u2019d be dead. They die because someone has injected them with a poison and a muscle relaxant\u2014or in other cases, sedation, initially in their cup of tea, followed by the prescribed drug. So this is a falsity, and I think it\u2019s disrespectful to the Parliament and to good legislation that we\u2019re, effectively, lying here. As I say, it\u2019s not what killed them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EIf we carry on. So once we\u2019ve, let\u2019s say, accepted that deliberate falsity, we then have to\u2014which I think is positive. Subparagraph (xiiic) talks about the interval between the onset of death and the cause. I think that is fantastic. As I\u2019ve said in the House a few times, most people think that when you\u2019re being euthanised or assisted to suicide it\u2019s quick. That\u2019s not the case. People can last for days. I think that\u2019ll be important for that to be recorded. It\u2019s possibly another tabled amendment to that, because you do have\u2014it is rare\u2014the rare situations where someone will take or be injected with the poison\u2014a barbital, usually\u2014and they actually vomit it up. It\u2019s all quite messy, but they, in a sense, recover, and so they have to be euthanised a second time. There\u2019s a lack of clarity whether or not in that case they would take the initial act of suiciding and continue until it\u2019s finished the second or third time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EWe also have, with subparagraph (xiiid), something which is an impossibility. It asks that the person who\u2019s died as a result of suicide\u2014I\u2019ll just use that to speed things up. It says, \u201Cthe interval between the onset of the terminal illness that gave rise\u201D. Again, it\u2019s an example of completely sloppy drafting. Very few of us know when a terminal illness starts. We know when the diagnosis is given to us, but it\u2019s an absolute medical absurdity that someone knows when the terminal illness arises. For a very simple example: say, I may well be suffering a terminal illness at the moment\u2014no, I\u2019m not an ACT supporter. I won\u2019t know until I\u2019ve actually been to the doctor, who gives me my diagnosis. So this subparagraph (xiiid) is creating an impossibility. There is no way that someone can indicate\u2014a doctor or otherwise\u2014when the onset of the terminal illness was. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo, again, the member might attempt to show some medical knowledge and explain why he continues to be happy with the deliberate falsification of documents; the lack of clarity around subparagraph (xiiic) of whether or not multiple attempts to kill someone is taken as a singular action; and, as I say, with subparagraph (xiiid), how on earth it is possible that the onset of a terminal illness can be rightly put in, and because the member is very interested in form filling out\u2014in fact, this clause, if you will, is in some ways even more substantial about forms and documentations and ticking boxes than actually the provisions which allow a New Zealander to be killed by the State. He may want to look at what legal ramifications there could be with keeping subparagraph (xiiid) in place, because the mischievous amongst us could see many ways of actually beginning to query documentation. In order to illustrate this somewhat, if\u2014and I think some members, from their SOPs, have documents around filling things out wrongly\u2014a doctor in, I suppose, good faith with subparagraph (xiiid) attempts to say when they knew the terminal illness started, that can become a disputable fact on this very basic premise: that because it is not known definitively, it can never be known definitively. Therefore, the doctor who notes here in subparagraph (xiiid) that it started at date X is in error immediately\u2014they\u2019re in error immediately. In some ways, they can never be right\u2014and that obviously opens it up for attack in interpretation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EIt just needs a vexatious family member who, you know, might be a little bit upset that mum\u2019s being terminated\u2014or their 18-year-old, for that matter, if they are a mum or dad\u2014who might say, \u201CActually that form was filled out incorrectly. The doctor who took care of my son or daughter has incorrectly noted the onset of the terminal illness. I believe it started for my 18-year-old who was depressed and ill.\u201D At this date, the doctor says that\u2014we end up with a dispute: who\u2019s going to be right or wrong? How can that be proven? And, personally, I think it would be unfortunate if the doctor or the nurse practitioner who\u2019s filling out this document was to find themselves being fined whatever amount of money. I think Melissa Lee raises some good points. That would be unfortunate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo those are my particular observations to do with the certification of death. As I say, why does it not just say \u201Chealth practitioner\u201D rather than the old, rather out-of-date legislation references? And again with Part 2 of the Schedule to do with the replacement of regulation 7(1)(a)(xiii) and the subsequent subparagraphs (xiiia), (xiiib), (xiiic), and (xiiid) of the Births, Deaths, Marriages, and Relationships Registration (Prescribed Information) Regulations\u2014actually these are erroneous forms. So I would be keen to know why we are trying to create lies in official documents and why, if we\u2019re going to have the confidence to have the State killing people, that we just don\u2019t say, \u201CLook, they were euthanised. That\u2019s what killed them.\u201D Again, it\u2019s inaccuracy and I\u2019m a great believer in that. As I say, fundamentally, you don\u2019t die of a terminal illness; you die of a poison. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022 data-id=\u00220d1f161b07fc468287166ae9c775a759\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220d1f161b07fc468287166ae9c775a759\u0022\u003EAGNES LOHENI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I\u2019m delighted to rise and speak on Part 4 of this committee stage of the End of Life Choice Bill and, in particular, Madam Chair, I\u2019m going to speak to Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 372 in my name. That\u2019s an amendment to SOP 259 by David Seymour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EThis SOP proposes to insert the words \u201Cgesture or\u201D in clause 24A(3) in order to allow a person to communicate not only by written or spoken words but also by gestures in the event that they wish to rescind their request for a lethal dose. In order to qualify as an eligible person under this Act, a person needs to have been diagnosed with a terminal illness that is expected to end their life within six months. However, an eligible person is also required to be in an advanced state of irreversible decline in physical capability. The phrase \u201Cdecline in physical capability\u201D is another way of saying \u201Ca physical disability\u201D. So if we look at that in terms of that decline in physical capability, that also may be something that reflects, or is, in fact, to do with an impairment of their speech, inability for that person to clearly articulate their intentions orally. So that person may be at an advanced state of irreversible decline in the physical capability to speak. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003ESo in this process of a person making their wishes known around this bill, there may be several months between the period where this person has been deemed approved for this process and the actual date for the event to take place, and that could be months\u2014that period between the eligibility assessment and the administration, and in that period it is feasible that a person may have an impairment or may even lose the ability to speak or to clearly articulate orally what their intentions are. So the gestures may be the only way the person can communicate. It may be the only way that they can respond to the medical practitioner or to the nurse petitioner when that practitioner questions them as in clause 16 whether they still wish to receive the lethal dose at that specific time. By requiring just speech or writing, this bill discriminates against people who for any reason are unable to speak or unable to communicate using oral language, and so the SOP is to insert that the words in clause 24A(3) include \u201Cgesture or\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like in my remaining time to speak to another SOP in my name, SOP 379\u2014in clause 27(2), to delete \u201C, without lawful excuse,\u201D. This SOP really, again, goes to the heart of making sure we are accountable and giving integrity to the process. Surely we, as legislators, will not give a free pass to anyone who completes an approved form for another person without their consent; likewise, for altering or destroying the approved form for another person without their consent. Maybe the member in the chair, David Seymour, may like to explain for what scenario we would have a lawful excuse for those particular instances that I have described. Again, we are here to make this bill as safe as possible, and I would ask members in the Chamber to please consider the SOPs that I\u2019ve highlighted tonight, 372 and 379, in my name. Thank you, Madam Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022 data-id=\u00221409f84bb0bb45a0b729b6fd3cf20633\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221409f84bb0bb45a0b729b6fd3cf20633\u0022\u003EPAULO GARCIA (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I stand to speak in favour of my Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 377 in my name. Specifically, it relates to clause 26 of SOP 259 penned by the member David Seymour. The specific topic that clause 26 addresses is immunity from criminal liability. I speak in support of my SOP on the basis that the reason for the SOP, which requests the amendment of deleting clause 26(3), is that\u2014the reason, well, it is quite simple. The basis that I ask for the deletion of the clause is quite simple, but it shows up a misappreciation of what a right actually is. So the basis for the SOP is that the clause is redundant. It is my proposal to the members that it is unnecessary to state that an offence is not committed by a person who seeks assisted dying. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003EThe clause implies that requesting assisted dying is an offence under another enactment. But it is not an offence anywhere in New Zealand law to request one\u2019s own death nor to attempt suicide. So there is no good reason to believe that seeking assisted dying could be an offence as well. If a person, under the current law, approaches a medical practitioner or any other person to request a lethal dose of medication to assist that person to die, the person who made such a request would not have committed any offence or crime. However, under current law, if the doctor who receives such a request would accede to it and administer a lethal dose with the intention of ending the person\u2019s life, then the doctor would be committing an offence. Such a doctor could be charged with culpable homicide. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003EI also take issue with the notion that requesting euthanasia is a right. There is no such thing as a right to request that one\u2019s life be ended\u2014not in the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act nor in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It may be more appropriate for this bill that an eligible person be \u201Callowed\u201D to request assisted dying, but it would not be appropriate to state in the bill that such a request is actually a right. A good analogy about this to demonstrate the difference between what is allowable and what is a right: in New Zealand, a person is allowed to own a cat. Owning a cat is not against the law; however, owning a cat is not a right. If it were a right, it would mean that if a person didn\u2019t own a cat, then it would be the duty of the State, or someone, to ensure that the person gets one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003EOne person\u2019s right is another person\u2019s duty. If an eligible person were to have a right to request assisted dying, it follows that other parties would have the duty to ensure an eligible person is adequately informed of this right and informed about how to exercise it. An eligible person may perceive such a communication, then, as pressure to request that as an expectation to at least consider ending one\u2019s own life. Such information may trigger a person who is already suffering from depression or mental illness to make that decision to ask for assisted dying. Thank you, Madam Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u0022a22e3304ca6441ad827fd58f88ce0f46\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a22e3304ca6441ad827fd58f88ce0f46\u0022\u003EJAN TINETTI (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022 data-id=\u0022db3fa3ab43df4ea9abad752145ad1234\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022db3fa3ab43df4ea9abad752145ad1234\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN (National\u2014Pakuranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate the opportunity to take a call on this bill, because it is a matter of life and death and it is something which members on both sides of this debate should take very seriously in engaging with. There are a large number of Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) which have been put forward. There are a lot of MPs who have, and I would like to speak to mine\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223df77691bf134648b87fd1d3d8e55b51\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Good, get on with it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022862b16c4372543d4978dd5b11c4842b7\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014which is Supplementary Order Paper 376, and I will get to it because it\u2019s important, as are all of the Supplementary Order Papers. The Supplementary Order Paper 376 goes to the heart of the issue of immunity from criminal proceedings and criminal liability. We\u2019ve heard David Seymour talk about how this bill is designed to try and ensure that there is a process to ensure that people who are engaged in the process, health professionals, etc., have some protection, and I understand that. I understand that there should be protection, if this bill is to pass, for people who are engaged in that process to have protection so that they don\u2019t face criminal proceedings. However, what this bill does is open up what is a very important part of our law, and that is the presumption that one person should not take the life of another. This bill changes that and, therefore, it is a burden on this House to ensure that there are protections, that there are safeguards so that the people who are having their lives ended are people who have complied completely with every single part of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ENow, my SOP seeks to delete subclauses (5) and (6) of clause 26. I would make the point that most of clause 26 is new, as part of Supplementary Order Paper 259, David Seymour\u2019s; very little has actually survived the rewrite that he\u2019s proposing, so mine is seeking to amend his and remove those two subclauses. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like the member to explain why he believes that it is needed in there to have subclauses (5) and (6), which provide immunity from criminal liabilities for \u201CB or that person, [who acts] in good faith, and believing on reasonable grounds that A wishes to exercise the option of assisted dying under this Act,\u2014(a) takes any action that causes, assists, or facilitates the death of A in accordance with the requirements of this Act\u201D and then, in paragraph (b), if that person \u201Cfails to take any action and that failure causes, assists, or facilitates the death of A in accordance with the requirements of this Act \u2026 is immune from liability\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ENow, there is an example which is used in here which is an example of \u201Can attending nurse practitioner who, under section 16(5)(a), is available to A, and takes no action to revive A\u201D. That is an example that the member in charge is proposing to put in there. Now, that\u2019s a serious failure to comply. The serious failure to comply is an attending nurse practitioner who is available and takes no action to revive. Now, is the member saying that there should be immunity in all instances for all failures to comply? Or is the member saying that what he is giving the nurse or the attending practitioner is the ability to, essentially, do what they like in these situations? This is a very important question, and I ask that the member actually takes a call and responds to it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EThe other point I\u2019d like to make is that the words being used here are the words of \u201Cgood faith\u201D and \u201Cbelieving on reasonable grounds\u201D. Now, I\u2019d like to ask the member in the chair what he means by \u201Cgood faith\u201D? What threshold is that? Because it\u2019s not defined in the bill. This is a term which he is going to leave to the courts to determine, whether something has been done in good faith or not. I ask the member to explain why he\u2019s decided to use the words \u201Cgood faith\u201D? Why has he not used language of \u201Ctaken every reasonable step\u201D or \u201Ctaken every step possible\u201D? Just acting in good faith seems to have been the lowest possible threshold that he could think of to place into this clause. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EIt also says \u201Cbelieving on reasonable grounds\u201D. Well, this is not about just believing on reasonable grounds. This is a process which, in my mind\u2014and in, I think, most members of this House\u2019s minds\u2014it should be a process where the attending medical practitioner knows for certain that that is the will of the person, not just something which they believe on reasonable grounds. I ask for support for Supplementary Order Paper 376. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u00229cae9097e0f848d8b0f55ff3915d7fda\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229cae9097e0f848d8b0f55ff3915d7fda\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I take a call on Part 4, \u201CRelated matters\u201D, and, in particular, clauses 24 and pertaining to this current Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 259. I have taken into consideration what you have stated at the beginning of this sitting, and what I\u2019d like to do is to then\u2014and I\u2019ve amended that and I want to table an SOP in a moment, but in particular on clauses 24 and 24A, in regards to \u201CAdvance directive, etc., may not provide for assisted dying\u201D, and in particular, clause 24A(2). It\u2019s a concern, because as it states, as it is currently written, \u201CA person who, after signing and dating the request form, wishes to rescind a request to exercise the option of receiving assisted dying under this Act must communicate that wish to the attending medical practitioner or the attending nurse practitioner orally, in writing\u201D, in which, it\u2019s stated clearly here, will be a rescind document. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe SOP that I am wanting to introduce is in regards to the challenges around culture and communication. Many of those who are in vulnerable situations are often not given and afforded the ability to be able to understand the clarity around the decisions that they are making, both from a health and from a medical practitioner\u2019s point of view, and the views that are there. It\u2019s quite clear that we have many cultural competencies; we have culture considerations that are put in place in many forms of legislation to take this into consideration. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWhy is this important? We have over 220 ethnic groups that are recognised in New Zealand at the moment. We have 190 different languages that are there. Many times over, most Government departments ensure that there is cultural competency. Why? Because we know the challenges that are before patients, before medical practitioners. It doesn\u2019t get any more serious than this, where a person has to make a decision around life and death, and according to this clause it only has to be indicated orally. So the question that has to go to the member of the bill, who talks about the importance of choice: what about the importance of ensuring that people know what choices that they are making? Many times when we think about it in different cases with different cultures, people may be asked the question, and if I talk about the Pasifika community, people will nod and say yes. \u201CDo you understand?\u201D \u201CYes.\u201D The truth and the reality is they do not understand the technical implications in this regard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo I think it\u2019s critically important that this has to have some amendment to it if we are to include this bill into the House. I\u2019d like to include in my SOP cultural considerations. There have been numerous departments who have actually had those culture considerations. It\u2019s about oral considerations, it\u2019s about written, and it\u2019s about interpretation of certain words. I state on the record that I was the chairperson for the Auckland District Health Board Pacific Health Advisory Committee. Even under that, there were many situations in which we had families that were going into hospital, having care and consideration, even in regards to palliative care, and yet they needed to have an interpreter there at every point and at every decision to ensure that they were fully aware and fully conscious of the decisions that would be made on their behalf. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EAlso in that regard, while we may be looking at a system that is monolithic in the sense that there is one way\u2014I know the sponsor of this bill just thinks that we\u2019re some big melting pot, we\u2019re all just chocolate covered, we\u2019re all going to be one, and that we\u2019re homogenous\u2014the reality is there is huge diversity in this nation and in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI would like to put it to this committee that the members on the other side would consider this very clause\u2014would consider this very clause. It\u2019s critically important that we look at that and look at it in regards to the specialist services that are regarded into this case. I think in this regards, when I\u2019m talking to Part 4, and clause 24A in particular, and clause 24A(2)\u2014a person who, after signing, would decide to rescind a decision\u2014that\u2019s critically important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI also too want to speak too in regards to the SOP 373 from Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi, which would amend clause 24B inside SOP 259. This is in regards to the welfare guardians, and what it seeks to include, from SOP 373, is that it would include \u201Cand attorneys\u201D. The purpose and the reason for that from Mr Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi is to ensure\u2014the fact is that it is not only the welfare guardians but there potentially could be that in which not having a power of attorney could and should include what you call attorneys in this case, and I think that\u2019s critically important. [Bell rung]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257499bb47f2946c7a7aafd43802b6df2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I call the Hon Alfred Ngaro. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1d12cbc9c284a8e8c4ba7e7d06ee9a2\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for allowing me to complete, on behalf of my colleague who can\u2019t be here, SOP 373. Again, what it states\u2014and it states in here\u2014in regards to after clause 24B on SOP 259, \u201CWelfare guardians\u201D, is that it would insert \u201Cand attorneys\u201D in this case. That\u2019s critically important. As it reads, as the full part of the bill, welfare guardians\u2014and then including \u201Cand attorneys\u201D\u2014have no power to make decisions to take action under this Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThis is a vulnerable time. We need to ensure that the right safeguards are put in place. As it further reads in the bill, \u201CA welfare guardian\u201D\u2014\u201Cand attorney\u201D\u2014\u201Cappointed under the Protection of Personal and Property Rights Act 1998 for a person does not, in that capacity, have the power to make any decision, or take any action, under this Act for that person.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWe are in a situation where elder abuse is at a state in which there\u2019s real concern, and it often has been shown, whether it be through Age Concern and other organisations, NGOs, that are involved in the situation\u2014they\u2019ve clearly indicated that 75 percent of that type of elder abuse is by either family members or people that are trusted and known around them. These safeguards, in this regard\u2014in regards to SOP 373\u2014are critically important so that we ensure that the right people are put in place in that regard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI want to then conclude my part by talking about SOP 379 in the name of Agnes Loheni, which talks to clause 27: \u201Cwithout lawful excuse,\u201D. This Supplementary Order Paper amends Supplementary Order Paper 259 amending the End of Life Choice Bill by clarifying that legislators do not contemplate that there could be any lawful excuse for (a) completing an approved form for another person without their consent or (b) altering or destroying an approved form for another person without their consent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWe think, and I believe, that these clauses are critically important. Part of our role as legislators is to make this bill the best possible. Even though we don\u2019t support the bill\u2014it is unsafe\u2014we do want to try and ensure that, actually, there are some clauses in there that ensure that in regards to the vulnerable situation around the consenting, unless there are powers of attorney\u2014this is a critically important part. I want to state that this SOP 379 again goes to the heart of the issue to make this bill safe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI want to end my final comments in the time that I have available, and I want to refer back again to clause 24. Again, it\u2019s about the other rights and duties not affected, and my SOP that I will submit and table for the committee talks about some of those cultural considerations that are there, and, in part of that, \u201CA provider of assisted dying services must ensure that the services of a competent interpreter are provided for a person who requests assisted dying services,\u201D. It is often those that are more vulnerable\u2014we know that we\u2019ve already seen that in New Zealand alone, the inequities in regards to M\u0101ori in the healthcare services are already out there. We know that it\u2019s there. Many members on the other side realise that this is the reality. What we are stating here is that we have the appropriate interpreters, number one, who understand the medical conditions, the ramifications, but also who understand the values and views of those different cultures that are there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWe know that even under the Coroners Act, that has been passed in this House, that consideration is put into law, and it does state things such as the values, beliefs, and customs but also the spiritual considerations of those family members and those people in that regards. I think it\u2019s critically important that cultural consideration be recognised. That ensures the fact is that people are fully aware\u2014they\u2019re competent of the situation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIn many cases, we\u2019ve heard from doctors who\u2019ve said sometimes there is a misdiagnosis. If there has already been\u2014as stated in this part of the bill\u2014an advance directive and there needs to be a change, if the appropriate interpreter has not been put in place to rescind the decision, then that puts that person in a vulnerable situation. We\u2019ve already seen that happen in other jurisdictions internationally. There\u2019s been a case that\u2019s gone to the high court in the Netherlands, and in that case, again, an advance directive was there. However, at that point in time, the patient themselves wanted to rescind, and they tried to do that orally. It was a tragic situation where the family members had to hold that person down\u2014that patient down\u2014so that they could be administered a lethal dose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s the reasons why on this side we would urge that there would be some consideration to these SOPs and that there would be consideration around cultural considerations to make it appropriate and right so people fully understand the decisions that are being made on their behalf and the decisions that they\u2019re making in regards to assisted dying. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecb9070d6d52447eba74c767e6d5e8aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecb9070d6d52447eba74c767e6d5e8aa\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I call Harete Hipango. I don\u2019t think the member was in the Chamber when we began and I made it clear that the Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) in your name, SOP 383, relating to duties in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi, was out of order and therefore there will be no debate on those SOPs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u00224feab84576ba4d1b87cc0fc84fc490e9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224feab84576ba4d1b87cc0fc84fc490e9\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ve been briefed since, Madam Chair. Thank you. I now speak to Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 259. That has been accepted through the Clerk\u2019s Office. It is on the Table, and I intend to address the committee and members of the public in relation to this Supplementary Order Paper. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ETo those of us who are viewing out there in the public, a Supplementary Order Paper is an amendment to what is proposed under this bill. There are a number of amendments that have put by my colleagues here in the committee, and this is critically and literally a matter of life and death. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EMadam Chair and everybody who is listening in, I stand to speak to this Supplementary Order Paper 259, which is in relation to clause 27B, proposed to be inserted after clause 27A, which addresses and states duties in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi. Madam Chair and members and members of the public\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224092fd94fca245a9b4e550ba24d302e7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry to interrupt the member, but that has been ruled out of order, and no debate on that SOP. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223956422e3d5a4aaa8a18aef895ae4c22\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair, my understanding is, as I have been briefed, that it had been resubmitted and that the clerks had endorsed or approved that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e87d67b3e724c27bd632ce4ac715767\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m sorry, but I don\u2019t have it in front of me, so\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd298acbd63e4d76a6b8ee6d13ac1ab9\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: Well, until we clear that, Madam Chair, then perhaps\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223daf7942dd0b447d9b525c1214030b9c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, but I have ruled that there is no debate on that until something is put in front of me, because, actually, it is the presiding officer who decides whether something is in order or not. It\u2019s not\u2014the officials can give advice, but it\u2019s the presiding officer, and I haven\u2019t seen anything to make a decision on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002234e7748cdaea4e7b9c12f6e0929af48f\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e8ed01776114a60b4cc93c15c3877f2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: If you\u2019re going to challenge my ruling\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221468e462d924c38b6c381acd9dfe760\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not. My point of order is to seek clarification that we, presumably, are able to speak to the subject matter\u2014provided we don\u2019t\u2014that might happen to have been contained\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267e3a7820677492dacbf3470bfdaf636\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: No. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022651c5d6a9c4241caafdd70bd1c306f1a\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: My understanding is that we can\u2019t speak to SOPs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c1ef315a1074ee299e4f220610d1e25\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: No. I ruled very clearly at the beginning that those two were out of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022311d791863814b4aa8279f583024d8fd\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. Those two SOPs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fde10edc213d46f9932e64e30db5a865\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Those two SOPs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022639fdbcd77ae4c098ab0dc28462f4325\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: But the fact that a debating point might happen also to be reflected in the SOP. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228769305f99d049e3bc867f3a8abc2fbf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the Hon Alfred Ngaro just debated it\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208d35d6cc4114c12ad509a4bc94c1c01\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: Certainly, but if you\u2019re making a ruling on the basis of repetition\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a86d7e3b284540b3acd3cfbe0584504e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014circuitously. Sit down\u2014sit down. The member Harete Hipango started referring to the Treaty of Waitangi and her SOP. That is ruled out. If it is changed, then I have to see it before we can allow any further debate. I don\u2019t want another point of order; I have ruled. Harete Hipango had the floor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229ca814959734b08958f7221084b9545\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. Well, until such time\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b7fc1803fb04e189f2995951b11a750\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: If she wants to continue her call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222888b7c2dbdf49fa9c6900eb8cb69553\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: If the Chair would indulge me to do so. Accordingly, I won\u2019t be speaking to that SOP, but if I may address the committee generally, then, in relation to issues of concern following on from my colleagues\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e418f8f51ab4ac1ae42710a23d5adee\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: As long as they relate to Part 4 and not general discussion around the bill, because, to date, the committee has accepted that there will be an end of life\u2014you know, we\u2019ve gone through all that in parts earlier. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c80b8c3520f4e8d9eb9492971a48b6d\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: All right. In my submission, then, I refer to clause 27A on SOP 259, which specifically states, \u201CThe Director-General may approve and issue forms for the purposes of this Act.\u201D Also, I know that this matter has been debated previously, but this has correlation and relevance under Part 1, \u201CPurpose of Act\u201D, and the purpose of the Act is \u201Cto establish a lawful process for assisting eligible persons who exercise that option.\u201D So I\u2019m just going to defer to the director-general, if this bill is passed into law, having the ability, the mandate, to approve and issue forms for the purposes of this Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI\u2019m now going to segue that into the relevance of the Treaty of Waitangi. There may not be a provision\u2014it has been ruled out, and I accept and heed that from the Chair\u2014but these are matters, critically, of life and death. I have previously addressed the House around the responsibility that we have as legislators, and also that the State and the Crown has, in terms of protections and responsibilities to care and provide for our most vulnerable. Our most vulnerable, I submit, are, here, those persons who are afflicted with a terminal illness, and it is a case of a decision to be made around life and death. The relevance around the provisions of the Treaty of Waitangi or the principles of that\u2014and I correlate this to legislation that is the law of this land in relation to care and protection and the welfare of our children, the Oranga Tamariki Act, which provides or states specific duties of the chief executive in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi. Madam Chair, members of the public and of this House, I premise that we know that the foundation of our nation is on the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022663751346b944e5f975d6cee0cc40c17\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Look, I\u2019m sorry, I\u2019m going to interrupt the member because we are debating Part 4. The member talked about clause 27A, where the director-general may approve forms. She needs to relate anything that she\u2019s saying specifically to that clause. Just general conversations, I\u2019m sorry, are out of scope. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293b75dc7e9874cb48b1f443a01e927bf\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: All right then, Madam Chair. If I may, then, just making reference to the legislation that is in place in terms of protecting the vulnerable\u2014and I mentioned a reference to the children\u2014I\u2019m going to bring that back to this law as it relates to the forms and regulations that the director-general may approve. I put it that there are many forms and regulations that chief executives and directors-general of State agencies are required, in terms of recognition of those principles under the Treaty of Waitangi and the relationship with the State or the providers of that care around this\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b51a0fcac5064807ba18450e3d02128e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I\u2019m sorry, but you\u2019re going to have to relate it to the actual forms that the director-general will issue that are in this part, described in this part, as part of this process, OK? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be0658dd75cf401e95e1f86b6e632472\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m conscious my time is about to run out. I will contemplate that, because the whole point of clause 27A as it has been inserted is that it\u2019s there for the director-general to devise what those forms are. I will address the committee later in terms of some of those specific points, if I may. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6d9184632cc49e18485590aa5dc2e95\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6d9184632cc49e18485590aa5dc2e95\u0022\u003EJO LUXTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022 data-id=\u00221c60ac32446a40d08fbd211bda1e2cea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c60ac32446a40d08fbd211bda1e2cea\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Good call. I did actually earlier say that I have four Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) in my name, and I\u2019d like to now move and speak on Supplementary Order Paper 364, and it might actually assist some of my colleagues whose SOPs have been ruled out. I guess I was being a little bit facetious when I actually wanted to replace a full stop in clause 24(1)(c), page 17, line 10 with a colon, but that is actually to facilitate a new clause (d): \u201Cfreedom of religion or belief, or to manifest their religion or belief, as set out in sections 13 and 15 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.\u201D The end of life choice, as I said earlier, and many of my colleagues have also agreed, is actually a life or death decision. This is finality if someone actually makes a mistake. This amendment is to ensure that \u201Cthe religious, cultural, and faith-based customs of persons will not be affected by the implementation of this Bill.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EEarlier, my colleague Alfred Ngaro talked about some of the cultural issues that are actually faced by medical doctors, and if I can perhaps bring some personal experiences that I have actually experienced in my lifetime in New Zealand when I was earlier in my\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b83b330135d4506a8a75ee53d74df8a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, no. Good try. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce1acc0087654921bd5ba38fcd280307\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE\u003C/span\u003E: I am trying to relate it back to the mistakes that the doctors could actually make. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc94467cbb584216a5dfa0cebabf63db\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no. No. We\u2019re past that. We want you to be debating your SOP in this particular part of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cea3d3c27e5541fdae26cc1b9e2442b5\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, the End of Life Choice Bill\u2014to ensure that the religious, cultural, and faith-based customs of a person will not be affected. I\u2019m trying to actually say, if you listen to me and if you could indulge me\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4fbb298b5574506aaff948fd3d64760\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I am listening to you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8357b381011478ea554ebecb2ef2fb0\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. For example\u2014and I\u2019m bringing some of the experiences that I\u2019ve had\u2014when I interpreted for a student who was actually in trouble with the school, and when they were called into the principal\u2019s office, their head was bowed down and their eyes were cast down, and the interpretation of the principal of that behaviour was that they were, in fact, guilty. They were not; they were just paying respect to the principal. These are some of the differences in our culture, in our languages, and sometimes, when a doctor is actually asking a patient, \u201CDo you not have pain?\u201D, when the patient says, \u201CMm-hmm.\u201D, that does not actually mean that they do not have pain, nor does it actually mean that they have pain\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5fbd1f3a82f45719d0d6b6d397c0057\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re not debating that part of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4c7e17107aa480a9c460a5cf75bc578\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE\u003C/span\u003E: These are cultural issues\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4121e01651a454cb08435b53dd0772a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Melissa Lee, we are not debating that part of the bill. We\u2019re past that. We\u2019re now on Part 4. You\u2019re talking about clause 24, which is other rights and duties that aren\u2019t affected\u2014if you could just focus on that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f3f2b8b6e664abb9e4a3ecd7d4e7e3a\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, and I appreciate you clarifying that, and I was just trying to actually talk to the amendment that I have just presented. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EIf I could actually move on to support my colleague Maggie Barry\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 374, where it replaces clause 25. Clause 25 basically talks about a person and if they, in fact, die as a result of the provision of assisted dying. It actually says in clause 25 \u201C(a) taken to have died as if assisted dying had not been provided; and (b) taken to have died from\u2014(i) the terminal illness referred to in section 4(c)(i) from which they suffered; or (ii) the grievous and irremediable medical condition referred to in section 4(c)(ii) from which they suffered:\u201D. What Maggie Barry is actually trying to do, in effect, by replacing that clause with her amendment, is to suggest that we should not actually try and hoodwink the actual reason why someone had, in fact, died. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EIn effect, this bill of David Seymour\u2019s is trying to say that the person did not, in fact, die from a lethal dose of a poison. What they\u2019re actually saying is that for the purposes of someone claiming an insurance policy, they do not actually say the real reason why that person had, in fact, died, and it is actually trying to say that that person did not die as a result of an end of life choice decision and what the doctors had, in fact, done to them as a result of their request. That, to me, is actually a lie, and I do not think that legislation should facilitate the falsehood that this law is actually trying to\u2014[Time expired]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u0022b9f979339ee44cebbf6a9de3e500802f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b9f979339ee44cebbf6a9de3e500802f\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Appreciate the call. As a heads-up, as a courtesy to the committee, I want to address two Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) in my name\u2014hope that I get these ones right; once again, I lost my glasses\u2014SOP 378\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222aa0b524-c38d-45aa-bd5b-99c5927085f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c320e961a32426eb8148ebee9cde44d\u0022\u003EHon Clare Curran\u003C/span\u003E: You can borrow mine. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cbe85ad4ad84e43aff62c9b3de59d03\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014that\u2019s a proposed amendment to SOP 259\u2014once again, I do thank the kind offer\u2014and SOP 369. I hope that will ensure relevancy as we continue to dissect this bill. The first one, that being SOP 378, as I say, is an amendment to SOP 259. What this is suggesting is that what is currently as clause 27(1)\u2014to replace what is currently defined as \u201Ca medical practitioner, nurse practitioner, or psychiatrist\u201D with \u201CAny person\u201D. What I am positing here to the committee is that is far too narrow when it comes to the case of who\u2019s actually committing an offence or, particularly speaking, wilfully failing to comply. So, at the moment, when we think of the range of people who are involved with assisted suicide or euthanasia, there is a multiplicity of people involved: obviously doctors, obviously nurses, nurse practitioners, psychiatrists. Those are three and that\u2019s spelt out in SOP 259. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EMy issue, fundamentally and first and foremost, is actually there are more than those three categories of persons who are involved with assisted suicide and euthanasia. Psychologists may still be involved. They may not be the prescribed individuals, but a psychologist will still be involved. Nurses will still be involved. In fact, it\u2019s fairly common practice that nurses are assisting with dying, when one looks at overseas jurisdictions, and, importantly, as I\u2019ve pointed out to the House before, there\u2019s only about 300 nurse practitioners in the country. So we are instantly limiting a whole array of people who may, for one reason or another, be involved with assisted suicide and euthanasia from no longer being able to be held to account as wilfully failing to comply with the legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ETo further illustrate the point, this also excludes pharmacists. So a pharmacist is not mentioned, on SOP 259, in clause 27(1) in Part 4. So a pharmacist who does not comply with the correct procedures around providing lethal doses of drugs will not be captured as someone who\u2019s actually wilfully committing an offence. That, I would suggest to the committee, is a bit of a problem. Without banging on my usual mantra, but I will because I\u2019ve just indicated I would, this is again an example of sloppiness, absolute sloppiness, in the legal drafting. We know in this House that when we make mistakes, we always have to come back and fix it, and in this case, a, we create ourselves more work and, b, we kill people. So it\u2019s too, too narrow. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThe other point which comes out of SOP 378 is to make sure we don\u2019t end up with a rather strange and perverse situation where someone may inadvertently or intentionally commit an offence. Again, they are wilfully, if you will, failing to comply because they themselves haven\u2019t brought them under the current jurisdiction of a medical practitioner, nurse practitioner, or psychiatrist. In other words, someone, you could argue, acting in good faith\u2014I think Simeon Brown touched on it\u2014acts in good faith, does not comply with the rules, and there are copious rules, round and round in circles in this bill. But if they don\u2019t wilfully comply, they can only be held to account, as the legislation is currently written, if they\u2019re a medical practitioner, a nurse practitioner, or a psychiatrist. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo, for the sake of the committee, figure out a situation, if I might phrase it that way, where a doctor has not actually completed their registration. They haven\u2019t completed their registration. So all of a sudden they are no longer, as it is currently written in SOP 259, a medical practitioner. So they may have wilfully failed to comply, but they have no longer actually got their practising certificate. It\u2019s a small opportunity. It\u2019s an odd opportunity, but, as the drafting is currently, they would not actually be able to\u2014[Time expired]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u00223fca76c867dd468d9cbb8702ff8725cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223fca76c867dd468d9cbb8702ff8725cb\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you to the members who have risen to their feet so far and made a contribution to the debate in committee tonight. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EWe had Melissa Lee, who said that she was worried an administrative error could lead to death and would only be punished by a $10,000 fine or three-month prison term. As I explained in my opening contribution, if somebody dies at your hand and you were negligent or didn\u2019t follow the provisions in this bill of good faith, then you fall on the mercy of the Crimes Act, where the penalties are much, much greater. The administrative penalties are there for scenarios where someone fails to follow the Act but a person doesn\u2019t die. Melissa Lee then said something about people participating under the Act needing to be able to talk to me personally. That was novel. I would say to Melissa Lee that I can almost guarantee that every person involved in the drafting and passing of the Crimes Act 1961 is no longer around to be talked to. Nevertheless, the Crimes Act continues to function very well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EChris Penk suggested under Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 381 that we should have the option of a person to access a medical practitioner who can somehow declare or be clear that they do not participate in end of life choice\u2014that they are a conscientious objector. There\u2019s nothing to stop a doctor from saying that they\u2019re such a person, but to make it a legal right, I think, would be deeply troubling because it would amount to Parliament saying to the community that we can\u2019t trust doctors to treat each different patient that comes before them without fear or favour. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s a very good signal for Parliament to be sending to the people out there, particularly the medical profession. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ESimon O\u2019Connor asked, \u201CWell, what happens in relation to the cause of death being recorded as being the thing that qualified the person to have assisted death or to be a person eligible for assisted dying under this legislation?\u201D There were several people, actually, who raised the fact that under the requirements of this legislation, the death certificate says that the person died of the illness that qualified them to be eligible for assisted dying, also the fact that they died from assisted dying. So anybody reading that certificate, I think, can figure out that this was done under the law. The person had a given condition which qualified them for the End of Life Choice Bill and also that they died from the End of Life Choice Bill. There\u2019s no subterfuge. It\u2019s very easy for anybody to read and understand what that\u2019s saying. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ESimon O\u2019Connor also raised the possibility that doctors would not be able to say accurately when the onset of a person\u2019s terminal illness was and therefore could be subject to legal challenge. Well, clearly we rely on the medical expertise of doctors to act in good faith. Currently under the law, if doctors could be sued for getting things like that wrong currently, there\u2019d be a lot of doctors in court. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EAgnes Loheni said that under SOP 372, she wanted clause 24A to be amended so that there didn\u2019t need to be any particular words when expressing a gesture, was in effect what she was saying. She wanted clause 24A(3) to say that a gesture could be used. Well, clause 24A(2), the clause right before it, says that a gesture can be used. Clause 24A(3) just clarifies that if you do use words you don\u2019t need any particular words. It would be a nonsense for the legislation to say that a gesture needn\u2019t have any particular words behind it. I used to think this Parliament would be better with more engineers in it, but I\u2019m becoming less and less certain. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EPaulo Garcia\u2014where is he? Mate, slow down. I couldn\u2019t keep up with what he was saying. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ee1798f675b4aab9fb5278d2cd78e8b\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. I believe that the member in the chair has referred to the absence of another member of the committee. Whether or not deliberately, it\u2019s a breach of the Standing Orders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022106d2e4bb07949cf8fba1fe2386d3a10\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I think that\u2019s a bit unfair. I think he was looking for him. He didn\u2019t actually say he was absent, but I will remind him to be careful. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290e461ad930740f7b10066071cf69fb3\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. If I couldn\u2019t have seen him, I certainly wouldn\u2019t have remarked upon that. I did honestly seek him because I wanted to address him. I try to address as many members as possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ESimeon Brown wanted to remove the criminal immunity provisions from this bill. In my view, that amendment is actually out of order because the Chairperson gave very clear instructions to the committee that there would be a form of assisted dying, and an assisted dying law is nothing if not a set of provisions under which somebody can be immune from the criminal law that would normally apply to aiding in somebody\u2019s death. So it\u2019s not something that\u2019s at all compatible with the rest of the bill. Then he also asked, \u201CWhy do we have the term \u2018good faith\u2019? What does that mean?\u201D \u201CGood faith\u201D means that the person wasn\u2019t harbouring any other motivations that they did not reveal. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EAlfred Ngaro asked about cultural competency. I think that\u2019s a very serious concern. It is critical that medical professionals\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231f4d221dbad44fbb8a7484cb6e01fd8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry to interrupt the member, but the time has come for me to leave the Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a070740a0963478db1f8ac55f4d587e6\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: I was addressing some of the concerns that members had raised in earlier speeches before the dinner break, and I\u2019d addressed what had been said by Melissa Lee, Chris Penk, Simon O\u2019Connor, Agnes Loheni, Paulo Garcia, and Simeon Brown. I then come to what was said by Alfred Ngaro. Alfred Ngaro asked that an amendment be supported asking medical practitioners playing a role under the Act to respect the cultural values of their patients. I\u2019d point Mr Ngaro to the Health and Disability Commissioner\u2019s code of rights that all patients have access to. Of course we expect all medical professionals in New Zealand to be respectful of who their patients are. It would be quite extraordinary if that wasn\u2019t the case, and I think it would be a terrible signal for Parliament to send, that in specific instances they\u2019re required to carry out those kinds of duties, because the implication might be that they weren\u2019t expected to carry out duties of cultural competency in other settings. I think that\u2019s a terrible signal to be sending. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EHe also spoke to Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 373. That amendment asked why the bill doesn\u2019t explicitly rule out the use of a power of attorney given that there is a clause\u2014clause 24B\u2014that says, \u201CWelfare guardians have no power to make decisions or \u2026 actions under this Act\u201D. The reason is that welfare guardians are people who act for somebody who has never had the competency to make a particular decision. We felt we needed to clarify that. On the other hand, when it comes to powers of attorney, those are people who express previously expressed views by a person who can no longer express them. If we look at clause 24A(2), it\u2019s already quite clear that \u201Cany provision expressing such a wish is included by the person in an advance written or oral directive, will, contract, or other document (not being a rescind document)\u201D is an invalid provision. So that has already been addressed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EFinally, we come to Simon O\u2019Connor, who advocated for SOP 378. He noted that the penalties set out in clause 27, I think it is, are offences for a medical practitioner, a nurse practitioner, or a psychiatrist, and he asked why there wouldn\u2019t be offences identified for other people. I want to just go into this in a little bit of detail, because the way that this bill works is it provides immunity to the sanctions under the Crimes Act if a person carries out the duties required under this Act. If you\u2019re not carrying out a duty under this Act, then you can\u2019t be eligible for the immunity from the Crimes Act, and you\u2019re subject to all of the sanctions in the Crimes Act for anything that you may do. So the reason why pharmacists, for instance, are not included in clause 27 is simply that there is not a requirement on them to do any specific thing under this Act, QED there is no way that they could gain the immunity provision anyway. So it would be rather odd for them to be in any way required not to carry out an offence. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI\u2019d comment to Mr O\u2019Connor\u2014he said several times that he felt the drafting of the legislation was sloppy. Well, I\u2019d like to reassure members of the committee that this bill initially drafted by me has been overseen through a select committee. It\u2019s had advice from the justice department, thanks to the Minister of Justice, and had oversight from the Parliamentary Counsel Office. They are very impressive legal drafters; I would say the best in the country. It\u2019s also had advice pro bono from Russell McVeagh, one of New Zealand\u2019s oldest and most reputable law firms, who\u2019ve given a huge amount of their time for free. So, when you put all that together, the quality of drafting and the advice that\u2019s gone into it is very high, and I\u2019d caution members against saying it\u2019s sloppy, particularly when they reveal that they fundamentally don\u2019t understand the bill in the amendments that they put forth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ESo that\u2019s the contribution I have in the time that I\u2019ve got in this particular slot, but I welcome any other contributions people may make, assuming, of course, that they are new material and things that I haven\u2019t already addressed and are relevant to provisions in this bill, particularly Part 4. Thank you, Mr Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022 data-id=\u0022a827c94d8f464157b69e873de6426894\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a827c94d8f464157b69e873de6426894\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN (National\u2014Pakuranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair, and thank you for the opportunity to take a call on this bill and to be able to continue the conversation around Part 4 of the End of Life Choice Bill and to bring new material and new perspectives to this debate, and I\u2019m glad that you are the determiner of that. I\u2019d like to speak in support of my Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 371, and this is amending David Seymour\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 259. What it proposes to do here is in regards to clause 24A, which is around advance care directives and how they may not be provided for assisted dying, or how they may provide, and the interaction between the choice that someone makes to have their life ended through assisted dying and what they may have or may not have already said in a will, in an advance written or oral directive, in a contract, or other document. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EWhat the Supplementary Order Paper specifically is is in regards to clause 24A(2), and it is to remove the second part of that clause, which is \u201Cand to the extent that any provision expressing such a wish is included by the person in an advance written or oral directive, will, contract, or other document (not being a rescind document) that provision is invalid\u201D. So what my Supplementary Order Paper aims to do is to ensure that, if someone does choose to rescind their will or change their mind, basically, this SOP is designed to ensure that there is no conflict or hierarchy between the decision they\u2019re making to go forward with having their life ended and a previous document they may have signed where they\u2019ve already said that they don\u2019t want to end their life through assisted suicide. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EEssentially, at the moment, what this clause is saying is that the express wish of the person at that time is what stands, and what my Supplementary Order Paper will ensure that that person has to do is actually first rescind their previous will or rescind their previous advance written directive so that it ensures that it is very clear to the health practitioner or to the person who is assisting them through the process what that person\u2019s will is. This is to remove any conflict between the two. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI guess the important point here is that we are dealing here with matters of life and death. We want to ensure that if this bill passes into law, the people who are having their lives ended through assisted dying are the people who have made it very abundantly clear that that is the choice and that there is no conflict of what they may or may not have said. What is important in that is that we want to ensure that we don\u2019t have this conflict, because if something does go wrong or if there\u2019s a review or if there\u2019s something else which happens later, we don\u2019t want to have a conflict of what their intentions were. So my Supplementary Order Paper is aimed at trying to address that conflict, and by doing so, it removes the second part of that clause. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI would, while I\u2019ve got the call, also just speak briefly to Supplementary Order Paper 367 in the name of my colleague Melissa Lee, and that is to do with the penalties which are inserted here under offences in clause 27. The wording here is around the offences and what they mean and the actual penalties which can be put in place. The member has tried to downplay these penalties as being important, but I think it is incredibly important. When one looks at proposed clause 27(1), it says, \u201CA person who is a medical practitioner or specialist commits an offence if the medical practitioner, nurse practitioner, or psychiatrist wilfully fails to comply with any requirement of this Act.\u201D Now, if they do that\u2014if they wilfully fail to comply\u2014they have committed an offence. The penalty, which is here, is a maximum of three months\u2019 imprisonment\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf1c428c05a74f9a9ab31f0392519265\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: How much? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf0eb1d24ebb4d56bf7d6ca7f7a2b4c0\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014three months\u2019 imprisonment\u2014or a fine not exceeding $10,000. I think that\u2019s absolutely, abhorrently low. We\u2019re talking, again, here about life and death, and I urge members to consider Supplementary Order Paper 367 in the name of Melissa Lee, which seeks to bring those into line with what I think this House should find appropriate. Thank you, Mr Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u00229c34567ec3064731817f598d4eff9e07\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229c34567ec3064731817f598d4eff9e07\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te Heamana. Wan shang hao. Hsieh hsieh. I appreciate the call, Mr Chair, and I specifically want to talk to Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 381 in the debate on Part 4, \u201CRelated matters\u201D, of this End of Life Choice Bill. I have to commend Chris Penk, who has been incredibly productive. Essentially, his proposition is that a consumer has the right to request and receive services from only a provider who does not provide services authorised by the End of Life Choice Bill. Obviously, the End of Life Choice Bill doesn\u2019t authorise specific providers. It actually is the option of any person who has a terminal illness, through their own intervention, to talk in the first instance to their medical practitioner. That then instigates a series of other engagements to ensure that person can give informed consent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EBut, in highlighting this specific SOP, I do want to acknowledge that today, 2,605 New Zealanders came to our Parliament. They presented a petition, and that petition requested that Parliament provides disabled people and others the choice to receive services from only the health professionals who don\u2019t engage in assisted dying. I want to focus on the amendment on SOP 259 to the Schedule of the Health and Disability Commissioner (Code of Health and Disability Services Consumers\u2019 Rights) Regulations 1996 which is, in fact, proposed clause 5A, \u201CEnd of Life Choice Act 2017\u201D, of that Schedule. If you read through all of that particular section of the bill, it makes some exemptions, and those exemptions are as already codified in the health and disability consumer code of rights. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo we\u2019re actually about ensuring that there isn\u2019t any conflict between that particular code and this piece of legislation\u2014and I\u2019ll give us an example. In the proposed legislation, proposed clause 5A(2) and (3) focuses on right 4(2) of the code and also on clause 7 and clause 7(1) of the end of life choice legislation. Now, you have to understand what the end of life choice legislation says in order to see the relevance to the code. So those particular sections are titled \u201CAssisted dying must not be initiated by health practitioner\u201D\u2014that\u2019s a fundamental principle. This bill is not about medical practitioners telling their patients that this option exists; this is about patients who are empowered choosing end of life choice themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EClause 7(1) is actually really important because the health practitioner \u201Cmust not\u201D initiate the discussion, and they may not make a suggestion. Now, where this overlaps with the whole intention of the Code of Health and Disability Services Consumers\u2019 Rights is actually an assumption within the code that people have the competence to give informed consent. One of the issues that we should be aware of is that within the code of disability rights, because it\u2019s assumed people can give informed consent, there is actually, through the provisions of some of these rights\u2014and I\u2019ll just focus on one in particular. This right is that if the person isn\u2019t competent and they haven\u2019t got a power of attorney, the provider actually may decide the service that is best in the interests of the consumer; so what this particular clause does is suspend the code of rights and makes the provisions in this bill paramount. So that\u2019s incredibly important because, based on the code of consumer rights, actually, the requirement to go through a series of processes that ensure the person is competent to give informed consent could be compromised if that code of rights was held to be paramount over the provisions in this piece of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EThe other thing I wanted to highlight is that actually already contained within the code of rights\u2014it\u2019s right 1(3)\u2014is \u201CEvery provider must take action to\u2014(a) inform consumers of their rights; and (b) enable consumers to exercise their rights.\u201D So, in fact, already contained within the Health and Disability Commissioner (Code of Health and Disability Services Consumers\u2019 Rights) Regulations 1996 is a requirement that consumers are informed of their rights, and it enables consumers to exercise their rights over what health services they choose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo, when you not only think about the SOP but think about it in conjunction with the petition\u2014which is, in fact, what happened today; Chris Penk met the petitioners\u2014they wanted to make sure that they don\u2019t engage with health professionals that provide assisted dying. That\u2019s already in the code. You know, consumers can ask health practitioners whether they support end of life choice, and if that health practitioner says yes, then it\u2019s well within that person\u2019s right to say, \u201CWell, I\u2019m choosing not to be one of your patients. As a consumer, I have autonomy. I can make these decisions for myself.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo this is superfluous\u2014that\u2019s the point. We don\u2019t actually need this SOP. It doesn\u2019t add any value. It certainly doesn\u2019t add any value to the section in the legislation, and\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ee966ed130f4e86868cb42b9cc6bf8a\u0022\u003ESimon O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: No power imbalance? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223da50d220fe4031be1b49eb9166a8f2\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL\u003C/span\u003E: No, it doesn\u2019t\u2014not at all. In fact, this would contradict the whole intention of the exclusions to the health and disability consumer rights legislation, which is why we\u2019re saying right up front\u2014because the other assumption in this is that clinicians can talk to their patients about all their options. I mean, that\u2019s a part of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ERight 6(1)(b) in the Code of Health and Disability Services Consumers\u2019 Rights is \u201Can explanation of the options available, including an assessment of the expected risks, side effects, benefits, and costs of each option;\u201D. So, in fact, under the code of rights currently, clinicians would have the opportunity and would be able to talk to their patients about end of life choice options. So that\u2019s why the exemptions are really clear in this piece of legislation that we will not allow that to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EYou know, this bill is really clear that nothing will happen unless the patient initiates it themselves. If they do not initiate the conversation with their health professional, nothing can happen. If there is coercion in any form, it would negate the ability and the integrity of this piece of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m actually just highlighting for the committee that what Chris Penk is attempting to do is already covered, but also I fear that it will actually contradict the intention of this bill, which is actually to empower people with a terminal illness who want to make an end of life choice decision to initiate that conversation with their health practitioner before anything else happens. Kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u0022d3bfaf7b45114d6cacbd3418bd647f8d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d3bfaf7b45114d6cacbd3418bd647f8d\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e Te Mana Whakaw\u0101. Just prior to the dinner break, there was some miscommunication around a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) that had been submitted in my name and initially ruled out of order. But it has been resubmitted, and it is under SOP 384\u2014in fact, there are two of them\u2014and SOP 385. I will address the committee in relation to SOP 383 as it relates to proposed new clause 27B of the bill at this time, and that relates to\u2014looking to the correct bill, it is \u201CThe Director-General may approve forms and issue forms for the purposes of this Act.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261e9769d623f4bd784008cea7ef38829\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: You can speak to SOP 384, but not SOP 383. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbf72d47c8444d7786b94b6d43b8b440\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: Could you please clarify, Mr Chair, why that would be? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fad95e41db54279b617d5546bc11a4b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: SOP 383 has been ruled out as belonging to Part 2, but you can speak to SOP 384. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dbf92bc43d6249c48e404d228b28cb8b\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: All right, Mr Chair, and then perhaps some inquiry will be made about SOP 383, because it\u2019s been communicated to me that it had been accepted. I accept that you don\u2019t have that before you at this point in time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EIn relation to SOP 384\u2014and I need to get the correct papers to hand around that\u2014that is talking about duties in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi as pertain to the responsibilities of the responsible organisation. In other words, the health service provider would have a requirement around providing a practical commitment to the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi. My submission to the Chair, to the House, and to members of the public is that in relation to the director-general approving and issuing forms, those forms would be as to the process and the procedure that would be implemented under this bill, around the terminally ill seeking to not only provide informed consent but the treatment around medication or the injection to end their lives. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThe particular part in terms of the Treaty of Waitangi and under this Supplementary Order Paper, an amendment to what is proposed in clause 27A on Supplementary Order Paper 259, is that there becomes a requirement and an obligation and a commitment, as there is under other legislation pertaining to vulnerable persons in this land, to the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and that is around process and procedure. It\u2019s well-known, as I\u2019ve indicated in the House before, that we have laws of the land, we have legislation, that is there to provide safeguards, protections, for our vulnerable people. In other words, a classic example of this is our children under the Oranga Tamariki Act 1989. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EUnder this SOP, it has been taken word for word, the proposed amendment to proposed new clause 27A, which I now have there inserted as proposed new clause 27B. It is taken word for word from the Oranga Tamariki Act, section 7AA, the duties that are incumbent on an agent of the State\u2014an agent of the State\u2014to comply with what the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi are in terms of the application of process and procedure for the treatment of our people. I talk about, specifically, how this has bearing in relation to the recognition of the principles under the Treaty of Waitangi\u2014as is well-known, article 1, k\u0101wanatanga. It is about that principle as it relates to governorship and the ability for M\u0101ori, who would be the recipients of any type of treatment under this bill, around them and the organisation that would be providing the service and the care, to be bound by these commitments of principles of partnership. I talk about the k\u0101wanatanga principle: the right of the Crown to make laws and its obligation to govern but M\u0101ori interests, in particular, having an appropriate priority. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EComing back to this particular proposed SOP for an amendment to clause 27A is around the issuing of forms as it relates to process and procedure. I will be seeking to extend this call also, because, going into article 2, which is the premise of legislation relating to the protection of our vulnerable\u2014that is our children; it is there clearly in law\u2014there has been no consideration factored into this bill around the protection of our vulnerable. The principle of rangatiratanga, which is the second article of the Treaty, guarantees Te Iwi M\u0101ori the control and enjoyment of the resources of their taonga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EWe talk about and I\u2019ve heard repeatedly in the House \u201CHe aha te mea nui? He tangata, he tangata, he tangata.\u201D\u2014what is the most important? Our people, our people, our people. I sat and listened in the House last evening. There was debate around the Local Government Act and there was, in fact, from members in this House, recognition in the importance of not only the Treaty and the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi but the relevance of tikanga, the relevance of tikanga M\u0101ori, and that\u2019s where I come back to again: process and procedure\u2014article 2, rangatiratanga principle. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThis SOP is also seeking to have endorsed and accepted by way of process and procedure article 3, the principle of equality and the principle of equity. We are dealing with a piece of proposed law here that is targeting our most vulnerable, that is literally a matter of life and death. We must not overlook the relevance and the important of the principle of equality and equity for those who are seeking to be treated under the law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ESo the third article, guaranteeing legal equality between M\u0101ori and other citizens\u2014\u201Cother citizens\u201D are also all other cultural ethnic groups, the diversity that makes up the face and the shape of this nation. This bill does not address that in any form whatsoever\u2014the principles, the articles of the Treaty of Waitangi\u2014and it is well-known that the legislation of this land requires that commitment, which has been mandated in numerous pieces of legislation that have been before this House: last night, the Local Government Act; earlier in the year, the Coroners (Access to Body of Dead Person) Amendment Act, and the relevance and significant of those cultural factors, values, considerations. I implore the members of this House, I implore members of the public, that we have a duty of care and responsibility to our most vulnerable. This bill that\u2019s proposed has no lens, no optics whatsoever, in terms of addressing that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI will state again categorically: I know that I am the only member of Parliament in this House who has practised law, who has advocated for our vulnerable, who has advocated for the care, protection, welfare, oversight, and also the checking and the tests of the evidence there before the courts to ensure that the safeguards are in place. In this bill, it\u2019s purported that they are. I categorically can declare that that is not the case, and I denounce what is proposed here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI will also go back to an earlier conversation that I had with the sponsor of the bill. I highlighted and brought to his attention that the template for these checks and balances around safety in a health procedural aspect is the Mental Health Act, and the sponsor well knows that I said that that was the template and that was the standard. I have practised as a district inspector in the mental health courts, where those of our vulnerable people have been detained in the mental health units, and we have had the checks and balances. We have had independent scrutiny. It has not been left to the discretion of the medical practitioner, who is not versed, who is not trained in ascertaining what legal competency is\u2014and the sponsor may well shake his head. I am yet to be enlightened as to whether he has those 30 years of practising experience that I have as a lawyer advocating in that place and in that space. But where the evidence is tested before an independent determiner of fact, called a judge, there is no optics or lens or oversight or independent scrutiny; the competency, the legal capacity of that vulnerable person to make an informed decision around providing informed consent, is left to a medical practitioner. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EIn wrapping up this part of my address to the committee, I am going to share from a personal experience. I was appointed as a welfare guardian for my father. I have a legal background, and he was dying, and it was very clear that the medical practitioner knew. It was on the record: they had seen it and they had initialled beside it that I was the person to have been consulted around any change in medical treatment and care. That medical practitioner took it upon herself\u2014it happened to be an international doctor\u2014to say, \u201CNope. Not going to go there.\u201D and make the decision to withdraw any treatment. My father died soon after. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u002299dd42683f78460195324db6f7c45741\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002299dd42683f78460195324db6f7c45741\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to add to the debate with some fresh perspectives, but also too I just want to build on what I think is a very substantive contribution by my colleague Harete Hipango in regards to Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 384. If one looks at the Supplementary Order Paper, the particular part that I want to draw attention to is proposed clause 27B(1), where it states, \u201CAny organisation that is accorded a duty or responsibility under this Act (a \u2018responsible organisation\u2019) must perform those duties or responsibilities in a manner that recognises and provides a practical commitment to the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi\u201D. I want to talk about in my contribution what those practical principles and commitment entails. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EMr Seymour, when talking about cultural competencies and considerations, said it was a very serious issue, but then said, \u201CJust let the people choose.\u201D If that was the case, then why is it that we have disparities and inequities for M\u0101ori currently, even in our current health system? Why is it that consistently\u2014if Mr Seymour was to go back to that comment, then there would be no need or consideration to have interpreters, to have a consideration under law, as we live under a bicultural nation. Why? Because it\u2019s important to have those principles there, and it just seems that Mr Seymour dismisses it as not being important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI want to state on record why those are important, picking up the point about a practical commitment. I want to quote from the guidelines for cultural assessments for M\u0101ori under the Intellectual Disability (Compulsory Care and Rehabilitation) Act 2003. This is an Act that has been passed in Parliament. It is in law, and, in particular, around disability and health issues that face those in which an assessment needs to be made, it\u2019s stated quite clearly here, under section 23 of this Act, that a M\u0101ori cultural assessment is carried out consecutively with a specialist assessment and support needs assessment, which identifies disability and medical needs, which goes to the heart of this issue that we\u2019re debating today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIt is likely that a different person to the M\u0101ori cultural assessor will undertake a specialist assessment. Therefore, it is important that the M\u0101ori cultural and specialist assessment complement each other and have a clear focus on the best outcome for the person and their wh\u0101nau. That\u2019s the practical commitment that\u2019s made in this SOP. So while there are high principles that have been discussed and have been debated here in this House, I want to go down to this SOP, which talks about the practical commitment that actually is in law, which is in policy, which is activated. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ENowhere in this bill has there ever been any consideration. I think it\u2019s dismissive of Mr Seymour to stand up and say, \u201CCultural consideration? It\u2019s important, but let\u2019s just let the people choose.\u201D If we had allowed that, we would have a system that does not allow for the complexities of language and culture. In this, it\u2019s quite clear that it talks about those assessments. It goes even further, because I want to quote from the Medical Council of New Zealand, which talks about a statement on cultural competencies related to this SOP. Stated here in the SOP, which talks about a cultural competency, and if we look at proposed clause 27B\u2014and I\u2019m quoting from subclause (2)(c)(iv)\u2014it is \u201Cprovide, and regularly review, guidance to persons discharging functions under this Act to support cultural competency as a best-practice feature of the responsible organisation.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EUnder the Medical Council of New Zealand, there\u2019s a statement on cultural competency that clearly states this: \u201CThe Council has developed a complementary Statement on best practices when providing care to M\u0101ori patients and their wh\u0101nau which deals with the standard expected of doctors when dealing with M\u0101ori patients.\u201D There is nothing in this bill that requires that for any health medical practitioner\u2014in particular, to deal with M\u0101ori, as this SOP is\u2014they are required to both understand and know and be competent to be able to reflect their values and their views. In particular, in some cases where the language that\u2019s used in this circumstance has to be quite specific, I think that\u2019s critically important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIf as a nation and as a Government and as a department we have made sure that these safeguards are in place, why has this not been enacted inside this bill? Why are members on the other side not standing up and taking a call to also too advocate that this be in place? I think it\u2019s critically important that these cultural competencies are practical, are pragmatic, but, more importantly, ensure that those safeguards are in place for the safety of anyone that makes the freedom to choose assisted suicide. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1570557e618430092373633c32ac941\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1570557e618430092373633c32ac941\u0022\u003EJAN TINETTI (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u002289ce16b40d8444408fe301727fbd9ed9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002289ce16b40d8444408fe301727fbd9ed9\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I suspect this might be my last call, actually. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e09d2f3e531d48318cdfb45e11fda832\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: It is indeed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a57258e1f23e448aa78a77371053d324\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Fantastic. That\u2019ll give great pleasure to the committee, I\u2019m sure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EA couple of very quick comments. I\u2019m very pleased that Louisa Wall contributed. Kudos to her\u2014I respect. Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 381\u2014Chris Penk\u2019s SOP\u2014is, effectively, addressing, I would suggest, a power imbalance. In an ideal world, it\u2019s great that a person, disabled or otherwise, sick or otherwise, can have a free and easy conversation with a doctor, but, fundamentally, there are power imbalances. The best analogy I could give is all the legislation we have around workplace relations because, arguably, I could apply that to the same case that if you\u2019re going for a job, you just sit down with your employer. You\u2019re both individuals and you freely engage in chat and choose and negotiate your wages. But we don\u2019t do that. We put extra layers of protection in. As far as I can comment from what I\u2019ve heard from the disabled community in particular\u2014who are not spared, I should add, by this bill, despite the cosmetic supposed changes\u2014they would say that it\u2019s not always easy to have those conversations. If the specialist looking after you is the only one in the country, to what extent are you free to challenge them on their views? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThe second element, of course, is yes it\u2019s great if people follow process. One of them is that a doctor is not meant to initiate the conversations, but, of course, once the person is dead, which can happen rather rapidly in this bill, then there\u2019s no way to prove that otherwise. I continue to and will happily say, regardless of what the member in the chair has said about lawyers involved, that this is a shoddy piece of legislation, and I think I\u2019ve demonstrated part by part the glaring holes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve tabled an amendment\u2014because personal votes are fantastic\u2014around offences. I engaged it earlier, replacing the words \u201Cmedical practitioner, nurse practitioner, or specialist health practitioner\u201D. At the end of the day, the offences, by being so specific to three categories, instantly and by law keeps others out. Yep, you might not want to have to extend that to, I don\u2019t know, podiatrists and proctologists, but actually there are nurses who are involved, there are pharmacists who are involved, and if the member in the chair actually read his own bill, he would notice that clause 27(2) actually talks quite specifically about completed prescribed forms. Well, yes, that\u2019s a doctor who writes out a prescription, but a pharmacist can also destroy prescribed forms, and by a huge lack in this bill, again by shoddy workmanship, that is lacking. So a great tabled amendment there\u2014looking forward to voting on that one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI want to talk to my last SOP 369\u2014yes, I have my glasses this time. SOP 369, again, is an example where there\u2019s shoddy lawmaking. This is to amend the bill itself in clause 24. It\u2019s in the section where, basically, it talks about a person not having to\u2014well, it\u2019s about \u201COther rights and duties not affected\u201D. At the moment, it\u2019s drafted that a person is only able to\u2014\u201C(1) Nothing in [the] Act\u201D, it says \u201Caffects a person\u2019s rights to\u2014(a) refuse to receive nutrition: (b) refuse to receive hydration: [or] (c) refuse to receive life-sustaining medical treatment.\u201D Those who understand the law\u2014and I\u2019m not going to presume to be enough of an expert, but, actually, when you start listing things by prescription, statutory interpretation says, well, if it\u2019s not on the list, then it\u2019s therefore not relevant. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo my SOP says that, if you\u2019re going to talk about refusing the likes of nutrition and liquids, you should also say as part of ones rights and duties that you can also receive them. So, again, it\u2019s a rather important element in law that, if you\u2019re going to list options, all available options should be there. In the current drafting, despite these supposed great luminaries who have written it, they seem to have forgotten to put in the word \u201Creceive\u201D; that actually a person should be able to receive nutrition, receive hydration, and receive life-sustaining medical treatment, and that is absent currently, willingly or otherwise. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThe other problem that flows out of it, and we\u2019ve seen this from overseas, is that by the way it\u2019s currently worded a person who is actually not, if you will, terminally ill and about to die can, by the interpretation of this bill, by refusing normal procedure or normal life-giving activities such as, you know, eating, can make themselves terminal, if you will, and then are valid or are able to take use of this euthanasia and assisted suicide bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve seen in other jurisdictions, including the likes of California, and in other jurisdictions that the member in the chair loves to talk about, where someone who is not able to be euthanised or assist themselves to die refuses basic things such as eating and drinking, which therefore makes them able to fall within the ambit of a euthanasia bill. I think that is problematic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022 data-id=\u0022c4c93cab0cf749968ab6594ac02eda2e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c4c93cab0cf749968ab6594ac02eda2e\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I would like to speak to a couple of my Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) tonight. I begin with SOP 367 in my name. It actually amends clause 27(2), and I guess what I\u2019m trying to say is that in any other area of life and law, the law actually draws a clear distinction between natural death and unnatural death: murder, manslaughter, and currently assisted suicide is actually treated as a crime, because they end life prematurely in an unnatural way. The line between natural death and unnatural death is unambiguous and makes it easy for all of us and society, I guess, to hold those to account whose actions, in fact, cause the death of someone unnaturally. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EIn clause 27, \u201COffences\u201D, in Part 2, this current bill talks about \u201C(1) A person who is a medical practitioner or specialist commits an offence if the medical practitioner or specialist wilfully fails to comply with any requirement of this Act.\u201D, and in subclause (2), it actually talks about \u201CA person commits an offence if the person, without lawful excuse,\u2014(a) completes or partially completes a prescribed form for any other person without that other person\u2019s consent; or (b) alters or destroys a completed or partially completed prescribed form without the consent of the person who completed or partially completed the form.\u201D It goes on to talk about the penalties. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EWhat my Supplementary Order Paper is actually trying to do is make it clearer so that the unnatural death is actually highlighted, because we\u2019re not talking about a natural death; we\u2019re talking about an unnatural death and a wilful act of someone who is actually doing this. My suggestion is to insert \u201C(c) undertake an act to end the life of a person without their consent; or (d) conspires to end the life of a person without their consent; or (e) initiates a conversation with a person regarding their choice to end their life in a way that directs them to decide to end their life; or (f) undertakes any other activity that unduly influences the decision of a person to end their life.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EAs other members have earlier said, the penalty that is prescribed in this bill is actually a three-month jail sentence and a $10,000 fine for someone who is wilfully trying to end someone\u2019s life, which is unnatural. They are trying to end somebody else\u2019s life unnaturally, and it is not a natural death. To me, a three-month imprisonment and a $10,000 fine is not good enough. My proposal in my Supplementary Order Paper suggests that we actually go to an imprisonment, which is actually much tougher, of 14 years, and a fine not exceeding $250,000, which I think is actually much better than the current bill as it is written. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI would also like to talk about my Supplementary Order Paper 364, where I am inserting: \u201C(d) freedom of religion or belief, or to manifest their religion or belief, as set out in sections 13 and 15 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990.\u201D The reason I actually say that is that the act of faith, the right of religion being denied to those who seek the terminal end\u2014it is a terminal end; it is finality of their creation\u2014is a heart-breaking matter. We cannot allow it to manifest by denying this amendment\u2014their right to faith. The faith of the dying can be the strongest of all. The love of their families, of their church, and of their community is most at risk during the final moments, and at the end embraces their being into eternity. We must embrace the second dying at the end; share the love of their final moment, not consign them to the terror of the absence of their faith, their spirit, and their religion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI am adding that part into this bill so that they actually have that right. The denial of faith of our nation can be rectified in my Supplementary Order Paper 364 by inserting them clear as doubt\u2014enshrining them into law before us. We, by the passage of SOP 364, ensure that section 6 and not sections 4 and 5 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act of 1990 are upheld in the inevitable court cases to come with this shameful legislation. My Supplementary Order Paper, I think, is actually very clear. The right of the faithful actually does matter. The love of their religion does matter. Their community, their customs, and their life, in fact, do matter, and, above all, their rights shall not be denied at the very end of their days when it\u2019s most needed. The manifestation of our faith is the most important thing that we have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u00227223b1bd93eb442bbce1b7420ad40594\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227223b1bd93eb442bbce1b7420ad40594\u0022\u003EGINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022504d0177f7134faebe95c30578d4277c\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 65\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 46; New Zealand First 9; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 8; ACT New Zealand 1; Ross.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 55.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000730\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 368 in the name of Paulo Garcia to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to clause 23 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00227951e828a4544074a01af793b4609560\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 38\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n 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\u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000732\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 370 in the name of Chris Penk to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to insert new clause 24A be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002242a3bf07fba5479dabd3a3b572c6e5b4\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n 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      \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 70\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000734\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 371 in the name of Simeon Brown to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to insert new clause 24A be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d4c878eb607544c9bcfdb94bbeeb6ca6\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 70\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000736\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 372 in the name of Agnes Loheni to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to insert new clause 24A be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002205805a7ea33c4b96a3082f106736258f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 50\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000738\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 373 in the name of Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to insert new clause 24B be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022dfd35c3c3dcf4a87a350fef9829d2fa7\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 70\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000740\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 374 in the name of the Hon Maggie Barry to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to clause 25 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225153e2139c314e31a024ea0123b3691e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 38\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 81\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000742\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 375 in the name of Chris Penk to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to insert new clause 25A be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002236dbe7e4977548718a782e21c3bdb721\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 46\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              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   \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford 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(P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000744\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 377 in the name of Paulo Garcia to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to clause 26 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00227f59b47feed54ac6ad253425432655d1\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 38\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee 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(P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000746\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 376 in the name of Simeon Brown to the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to clause 26 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d33cd3efc37c4dc58a62ae3a8f959b53\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment to the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 38\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 81\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000747\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000748\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 378 in the name of Simon O\u2019Connor to the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to clause 27(1) be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022ee72c57fc83b404ca8a9567ebf7d04f9\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 50\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000749\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000750\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment in the name of Simon O\u2019Connor to the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the same of David Seymour to clause 27(1) be agreed 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      \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000752\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000753\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 379 in the name of Agnes Loheni to the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to clause 27(2) be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226aeb6c4309eb4801bdc2b536bcb972c8\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 70\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022e6b43a5ce1fe4a22ab89d3362803ea2a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e6b43a5ce1fe4a22ab89d3362803ea2a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Just reminding members that Harete Hipango\u2019s amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 383 to insert new clause 27B on David Seymour\u2019s SOP 259 is out of order as more appropriately belonging to Part 2 of the bill. Also, as previously advised, the Hon Alfred Ngaro\u2019s amendment set out on SOP 382 to insert new clause 27B on David Seymour\u2019s SOP 259 is out of order as more appropriately belonging to Part 2 of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 384 in the name of Harete Hipango to the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222c054d11604d4d2585cf4cdf453a5c1a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 51\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              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(P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              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        \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000756\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000757\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to Part 4 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca 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       \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              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            \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 48\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      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(P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022221be8c2b93e44c29506a82dcb789272\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022221be8c2b93e44c29506a82dcb789272\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Louisa Wall\u2019s amendment deleting clauses 23 to 28 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 235 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 369 in the name of Simon O\u2019Connor to clause 24(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 364 in the name of Melissa Lee to clause 24(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022ba6462cda6504cba902f04b2b0977db2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ba6462cda6504cba902f04b2b0977db2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Melissa Lee\u2019s amendment to delete clause 25 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 365 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee on David Seymour\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 259. Melissa Lee\u2019s amendment to replace clauses 26 and 26A set out on Supplementary Order Paper 366 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee on David Seymour\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 259.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 367 in the name of Melissa Lee to clause 27 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022bc5d895cbc644e508ed76337028a4520\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan 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(P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022616dcf64a7cb497f8c30c729a919916b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022616dcf64a7cb497f8c30c729a919916b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Chris Penk\u2019s amendments inserting new clauses 27A and 27B set out on Supplementary Order Paper 216 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee on David Seymour\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 259.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 217 in the name of Simon O\u2019Connor to insert new clauses 27A and 27B be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000767\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000768\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 218 in the name of Simon O\u2019Connor to insert new clause 29 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000769\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022697a122037f74146b3517832b1c60390\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That Part 4 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 69\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECollins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 50\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart 4 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000770\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000771\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 380 in the name of Kanwaljit Singh Bakshi to the Schedule be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000772\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000773\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 381 in the name of Chris Penk to the Schedule be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000774\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000775\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 259 in the name of David Seymour to the Schedule be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00228689b49cda6146d9ac7bd7df0c51c57d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 70\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n 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data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00228c844df4066943aab6f013086877046f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000776\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c844df4066943aab6f013086877046f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Louisa Wall\u2019s amendment replacing the Schedule set out on Supplementary Order Paper 235 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee on David Seymour\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 259.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000777\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the Schedule as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000778\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESchedule as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000779\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000780\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe Chairperson reported progress on the End of Life Choice Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2019092593965bc4394c4f62bcef410d71e78396000781\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp 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