"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225ee930129c7f47d3941bd4c47aec58fe\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 10 MARCH 2020\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226f86119e56f8406c9d7edf2e8a0ef203\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 10 MARCH 2020\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000004\u0022\u003EKarakia.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e8fdac2b42704018abbb3da625ddfb44\u0022\u003EObituaries\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a01bbe866b654942823f6bc3a84225bd\u0022\u003EJeanette Mary Fitzsimons CNZM\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00223d7439844c0948dc9e66a3f3ba215587\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223d7439844c0948dc9e66a3f3ba215587\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I regret to inform the House of the death on 5 March 2020 of former Green Party co-leader Jeanette Mary Fitzsimons CNZM, who was a member of Parliament from 1996 to 2010.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb5bade22beb420c8235b1b792622d8c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb5bade22beb420c8235b1b792622d8c\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to move a motion without notice on the passing of Jeanette Fitzsimons.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227e46f916f1ac467ca4beaf344f9230f8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221eb411760a48408f9105223a071ef333\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That this House mark the passing of Jeanette Fitzsimons, the Green Party\u2019s first female co-leader, celebrate her contributions to Aotearoa New Zealand, and express deep condolences to her wh\u0101nau and friends.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ET\u0113nei Te Whare P\u0101remata; t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ki a Papat\u016B\u0101nuku e takoto nei, mihi atu ki Te Whaea. Ki a r\u0101tou te hunga mate kua whet\u016Brangitia, haere, haere, haere atu r\u0101. Hoki mai ki a t\u0101tou te hunga ora, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. E k\u012B ana te k\u014Drero \u201CKa mahi te h\u014Dpua terenga whero.\u201D Nei r\u0101 te tuku i ng\u0101 kupu whakamana ki t\u0113nei mate, ko Jeanette Fitzsimons. T\u0113n\u0101 koe e Te M\u0101ngai o Te Whare. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E[This is Parliament; greetings to you. To Papat\u016B\u0101nuku, I acknowledge you Earth Mother. To those who have made the journey to the other side, farewell, farewell, farewell. Returning to the living, greetings one and all. It is said that \u201CDeath will do what death does.\u201D I offer my profound condolences at the passing of Jeanette Fitzsimons. Thank you, Mr Speaker. Thank you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EIt is my honour to stand with my co-leader, James Shaw, and all of our Green MPs here in this House to celebrate the life and acknowledge the passing of our much beloved first female co-leader of the Green Party of Aotearoa, Jeanette Fitzsimons. I acknowledge and send deep aroha to Harry and her children, Jeremy and Mark, and all of their mokopuna. I am thinking particularly of Rod Donald and family at this time, and especially of our friend Holly Donald, who works here in this House. I know that the loss of Rod while Jeanette was a co-leader had a massive impact on her and indeed on all of us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI am standing here thinking deeply of all of the past Green MPs and particularly those who served with Jeanette in this House. I am thinking of our founding members of the Green Party movement of our party\u2014those who have had a long association with her. Those people are really feeling the loss at this time very deeply, and I want to acknowledge their mamae. I am thinking of Metiria and Russel, with whom Jeanette had a close impact and working relationship. I am thinking of the Young Greens, who held their summer camp just recently in February, as we do every year, on Jeanette and Harry\u2019s farm, and were privileged to spend that weekend with her on her beloved riverbank, on her beloved campsite.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI am thankful for the people who have messaged us their love and their thoughts\u2014the many organisations, the many individuals who have had a long association with her over generations and over decades. This k\u014Drero that I stand with much honour to give now is on behalf of James and I and our Green MPs, and I acknowledge James will also be speaking later.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EAs I start to talk about her achievements, I note\u2014ironically\u2014that one of the biggest is she is noted for her humility, that people recall that her work was never about her as an individual, that she was very clear she was simply doing a job for the wellbeing of our planet and for our mokopuna and generations to come. She was part of the founding movement of our Green Party, right back from the days of the Values Party through to The Alliance, and then to become the Green Party that we have today. I wanted to start her achievements by recalling her own words, in that her mokopuna have been the touchstone of much of her work. She, of course, was the only Green to ever win an electorate seat, in 1999\u2014ground breaking and still, to this day, the only Green to win an electorate seat.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EShe also was the Government\u2019s spokesperson\u2014a quasi-Minister, in her own words\u2014who, in 1998, introduced the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Act, establishing energy efficiency and solar water heating frameworks, and the legacy of which we are still working through today, thanks to her pioneering. She, of course, helped to bring the climate change conversation into Parliament. She was a leading voice for a new, compassionate, ecologically sustainable economics that has influenced the Government\u2019s new wellbeing approach to this very day. In her valedictory speech, she called this an economy based on respect for people and for nature\u2014simple, but something that to date had not been called for yet. She expanded legal aid for environmental cases and funding for community conservation groups. She, of course, also chaired the Local Government and Environment Committee for six years, in her words, scrutinising the executive, listening to the people, and knocking the silly corners off bad legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EOver the weekend, our councils of the Green Party met for a weekend hui that we had long planned, and we started by having a round and reflection for the impact that she had on all of us. Whether you were someone who knew her for decades and generations or whether you were someone who hadn\u2019t yet had the privilege of meeting her, we talked about the fabric of experiences that all of us hold and the marvel and achievement of the work that she led and the person that she was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThere is very much a grieving sense of loss. As I continue to say, I thought we had her for quite a bit longer. I took for granted that she was going to continue to be around to mentor me as co-leader, to mentor us as Green politicians, and to hold us, as the Green Party, to account. I really did think that we had her for a lot longer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge and respect that a beautiful funeral, a small family and community and private affair, was held in Coromandel yesterday and respect and acknowledge the beauty that took place. We will be organising a wider, more public event here in Wellington in the weeks to come; I understand people are waiting for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI remember her telling me the time when one of our MPs rang her from this House to tell her that he was voting differently to what had been agreed. It was one of the funny stories when she was sitting me down as I was about to take up the mantle of co-leader and saying there is no job description, there is no expectation for what you might expect in doing this role, Marama, but one thing is for sure: you can expect the unexpected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI recall Harry talking about her trying so hard but failing\u2014after she left Parliament\u2014to get arrested for protecting our marine environment against fossil fuel exploration and drilling. This is only a testament to her work never stopping long after\u2014and to the very end of her life. She was a champion for a progressive vision that would protect our children, our people, and our planet, and she put herself on the line to exemplify exactly that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EJeanette\u2019s face keeps flashing up in front of me. I was very privileged, at that Young Greens summer camp that I mentioned, to stay the night with her on her farm, to have a political huddle\u2014that sort of time was special then. That sort of time with Jeanette was valuable to me in and of itself then. But right now, it\u2019s feeling even more special than I realised it ever was going to be. It was a huddle that confirmed her clarity of purpose for what we, as humans of this world, need to be taking responsibility for, need to be working together for, need to be seeking the change that is indeed going to protect our future, our planet, and our communities. It was an affirmation that she maintained her commitment to those political visions right through to the very end.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EMany people have many personal relationships and stories and reflections on her life. I\u2019ve enjoyed reading through a lot of them and hearing a lot of them over the weekend, and there will be more to come. For my time here in this House today, I simply wanted to signal our deep gratitude for her commitment to a kaupapa that was going to be for the good of all of us. There is grief and loss in the gap that has been created, but there is hope in the legacy and the commitment that she maintained and an added drive for all of us, particularly for us in the Green Party and movement, to continue to be steadfast on our principles and our values and to do good in this world. Once again, I send my love to Harry and her children, all of her friends, and her family. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u0022f90f18da7f334697a4c6bd0b05a3c3a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f90f18da7f334697a4c6bd0b05a3c3a5\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E I rise on behalf of the New Zealand Labour Party and on behalf of our coalition partner, the New Zealand First Party, to acknowledge the death of former Green Party co-leader Jeanette Fitzsimons CNZM, who passed away suddenly last Thursday night aged 75.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EJeanette will be remembered as a ground breaker, the first female co-leader of the Greens, the first Green MP to ever speak in this House, the first Green MP to win an electorate seat, and the first Green MP to hold an official Government position as spokesperson on energy efficiency. But this official record of impressive firsts only tells half the story. Her true parliamentary legacy will be the paths she laid on important environmental and conservation issues and the shift that she helped lead in our entire country\u2019s thinking, especially on climate change. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EIn many ways, Jeanette was by necessity a politician ahead of her time. Her job here was to agitate, to educate, to force change from those reluctant to make it. It seems strange now, but when Jeanette was first talking and writing about climate change, or global warming as it was often referred to then, she was an outlier, a bearer of an inconvenient truth. She was mocked and she was ridiculed for her earnest and persistent call for political action on the state of the planet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI entered Parliament some time after Jeanette and even I recall that the response to climate change at that time was not what it is today, and it\u2019s easy to forget that she was the champion of an issue that was not popular, that was not spoken of, and that was often rejected outright. I believe it is in large part due to her tenacity that we are now taking this issue seriously, and that the paths she laid meant this House could vote unanimously for the zero carbon Act\u2014a parliamentary consensus that would have been unimaginable when Jeanette was the lone voice when she first entered Parliament in 1996.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EJeanette was a true steward of the New Zealand environmental political movement. Starting out in the Values Party in the 1970s through to bringing the Greens into Parliament in their own right, Jeanette played a pivotal role over decades in building Green political representation in New Zealand and ensuring continuous representation in Parliament for the Greens since the first MMP election in 1996. She did that the old-fashioned way: holding public meetings, getting out media stories, writing op-eds, organising petitions, rallying, recruiting, and training new people. The bread-and-butter work of a political movement was never ever beneath her\u2014in fact, I suspect that\u2019s where she found her joy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EIn fact, her commitment to the new generation could be seen in\u2014as the co-leader of the Greens, Marama, has referenced\u2014the hosting of the Young Greens camp each year on her farm in Thames. Passing the baton on and supporting the next generation of environmentalists was so core to who she was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EJeanette once polled as the most trustworthy party leader in New Zealand\u2014a fitting endorsement of her kind, caring, and passionate brand of politics. I think that she would be proud of the New Zealand Green Party today in that they keep those values in this House till this day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EI recall her presence in this House. I recall her quiet dignity. I recall her intelligence, her respect for others, even when she wasn\u2019t offered that same respect in return. She was completely and utterly how she came across: a different type of politician and leader.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EHer post-parliamentary career was not an opportunity for Jeanette to put her feet up and take some well-earned rest; she continued to campaign, to protest, to try and get arrested from time to time, to make presentations to select committee, and to train and support others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003EHer final words spoken in this House were to the younger generation hungry for change. \u201CKia kaha\u2014you are the hope of the future. Haere r\u0101.\u201D, she said. Now it\u2019s time to say haere r\u0101 to you, Jeanette. Thank you for your leadership. Thank you for your determined optimism. Thank you for laying the path that ultimately has meant that you left this place better than you found it. Haere r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b127f289e26b41f6958866c616cec145\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b127f289e26b41f6958866c616cec145\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Jeanette Fitzsimons has left us far too early. I rise to speak on behalf of the National Party and the people of Coromandel. Jeanette Fitzsimons was a character and a personality larger than her sometimes diminutive stature might have foretold. She was always passionate, energetic, and articulate in her advocacy for the policies and principles that she held so dear and lived by every day of her life\u2014those were primarily the environment, conservation, and humanity. She was staunch always, with gritty and determined but often humble focus on achieving the goals that she wanted to. She never did it in a personal way; it was always about the policy, about the argument, about the debate, and about the issue rather than the person\u2014something that we sometimes have too little of in this place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EIn the Coromandel, she was always an active, articulate, and vocal presence in local communities, even after her time as the member of Parliament. She was never short of a well-considered, well-thought-out, and well-constructed contribution to any conversation or debate on any particular matter. She represented the Coromandel for just three years of her parliamentary career, from 1999-2002, but she left a local legacy that is much greater than often three years in this place might imply from an ordinary constituency MP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EJeanette was well regarded, well admired, and well respected locally, nationally, and internationally for her views and for the way that she expressed them and presented them not only to those that supported her but to those who were opposed or had a different view. No matter what our personal view might have been of those policies and thoughts and ideas that she had, one could never ever underestimate the sincerity or the level of conviction of those principles that she held dear and espoused at every opportunity. She lived, as others have said, by those principles every day of her life.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI had an opportunity to spend a couple of hours yesterday in the Kauaeranga Valley, near the farm, with Harry and the extended wh\u0101nau and friends at a very beautiful and typically Green-type affair, if I might say\u2014in a pleasing way. It was a very genuine, sincere, and pleasant afternoon beside the river, in the valley that she loved, with the people that she loved and who cared for her.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003ETowards the end of last winter, the Environment Committee was hearing submissions on the zero carbon bill. It was winter and a sub-committee had been meeting in Auckland City for nearly two days in a rather drab, cold, colourless community hall\u2014in Freemans Bay, from memory. Jeanette Fitzsimons arrived to make her submission on the zero carbon bill, but before she started to speak, she presented on the submissions table a posy of bright yellow daffodils taken from her garden in the Thames Valley that very morning. They sat there, a bright beacon of hope and inspiration, while she gave her considered submission in that otherwise drab room. Then, when she\u2019d finished her submission, the flowers stayed and they remained, and for the rest of the day those flowers stood on that table as a beacon of her contribution not only to the debate but as a measure of her views about the issues that we were talking. And they stayed there long after her submission had finished. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI want to extend condolences on behalf of the National Party and on behalf of the people of Coromandel to Harry, her children, and her wider wh\u0101nau. A bright green light has gone out on the Coromandel and across Aotearoa New Zealand too soon. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u0022a3f4f0aa4c664aa3bd90814a59b86411\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a3f4f0aa4c664aa3bd90814a59b86411\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E I wish to join with other party leaders, on behalf of ACT, in condolence to Jeanette Fitzsimons\u2019 family and in commemoration of her life and her contribution to New Zealand politics and this House. I\u2019m sure that as a lifelong proponent of and campaigner for the mixed-member proportional system, she would want it to be so. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI did not coincide with Jeanette Fitzsimons in this Parliament, nor, unfortunately, was I able to know her, but in a way, the fact that what I know of her has been learnt by osmosis, has bled out through society and through secondary connections, speaks all the more strongly to those values that I know she had.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThere are politicians who believe it is an achievement to hold a particular office. There are politicians who believe that it is about what she might have called the \u201Che said, she said\u201D BS. Jeanette Fitzsimons was clearly a politician who believed that being in office was not an achievement but presented the opportunity to achieve not on the personality but on the issues. That\u2019s why we hear so frequently in the last few days, as people up and down New Zealand have come to terms with her passing, words like \u201Cprincipled\u201D, \u201Ckind\u201D, \u201Cdogmatic\u201D, \u201Chumble\u201D, \u201Cachieving\u201D\u2014values that I think all of us should aspire to and values for which all of us can have a great admiration for Jeanette Fitzsimons.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI want to extend, again, condolences to her Green Party colleagues and the wider Green Party wh\u0101nau, and to those in her real biological wh\u0101nau\u2014they must be feeling such a sense of loss, and our thoughts are with them\u2014and of course, to her, our commemoration of a great life well lived. Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u002287e37188a52a417bbcd8becb266cf384\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002287e37188a52a417bbcd8becb266cf384\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I want to acknowledge and thank the members who have spoken and the memories that they\u2019ve shared. Those tributes, I think, reflect the extraordinary woman that Jeanette was. As others have said, Jeanette\u2019s approach to politics was to treat everyone with dignity and with respect. Her belief in the practice of non-violent social change always led her to seek to build consensus and common ground, particularly with those with whom she disagreed most strongly. There\u2019s a saying: \u201CFirst they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EI think, in the long run, Jeanette\u2019s greatest success will be seen to be in the area where people ridiculed her the most: in economics. In her own words, she said, \u201CGDP is both too narrow and too generalised to measure anything useful. It does not tell us whether the poor are getting poorer, and if most of society\u2019s wealth is held by a few. It does not tell us if we are paying more and more to control pollution and crime, rather than for real goods and services. It does not tell us if we are plundering the environment to [take] short-term monetary returns.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EJeanette\u2019s greatest regret was that she was unable to move the establishment on this point. Yet 10 years later, the current Minister of Finance had this to say: \u201Cif we\u2019ve got this so-called rock star economy, how is it that we have the worst homelessness in the OECD? How is it that you can\u2019t swim in most of New Zealand\u2019s rivers and lakes? How is it that child poverty [has] grown to the extent [that] it has? The answer, in my view, was because the government wasn\u2019t sufficiently valuing those things. And [because] it wasn\u2019t being valued properly, it wasn\u2019t being measured, and [because] it wasn\u2019t being measured, it wasn\u2019t being done.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003ENow, I acknowledge that the other side of the House is, at best, sceptical about this Government\u2019s wellbeing approach, and I also acknowledge that we are still a very long way from the holistic social, environmental, and economic guidance system for the country that Jeanette envisaged, but we have gotten started. I hope that she knew, in the end, that she had won.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EJeanette had already had a political career spanning two decades with the Values Party when I met her some time after the 1990 general election campaign. I was 18 or 19 or so, and I will never forget it. There was a hui at a lodge in \u014Ch\u0101kune to make some choices about the future of this emerging political party, the Greens. There were some heated debates about whether to be a political party or an outside pressure group, trying to reach consensus on how consensus-based decision-making should work, whether to have leaders or not and, if so, whether there should be one or two, or some other model entirely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003ENow, despite there being no clear consensus on that question at the time, it was clear to me that Jeanette was a beacon by which others navigated. The debates continued through dinner and through drinks and on into the lodge\u2019s sauna, where I was a little bit startled to find that not only were the policy prescriptions very northern European, so was the dress code. That\u2019s where I first learnt to focus on the policy, rather than the person. Now, thousands of people around the country will have their own stories of Jeanette: inspiring, challenging, humorous, poignant\u2014endless stories of a life so rich, and which touched so many. Each and every member of this Green Party caucus here has their own, which Marama and I cannot hope to do any justice to today. She mentored and guided each of us and all of us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EBut none of us here served alongside her in Parliament. Gareth Hughes, today our longest-serving MP, entered Parliament when Jeanette vacated it, 10 years ago last month. Gareth himself will retire at the coming election, and someone else will take up the mantle. That is Jeanette\u2019s legacy. She built a political party. She led it out of the wilderness and into Parliament. She helped to midwife it into Government, and it succeeds her.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EHer leadership was so profound that it has continued to guide the choices and shape the endeavours of a generation who only entered this place when she left it, and who remain even though she has passed beyond the veil. There are very few people in our history who can make that claim. She was not just a parliamentarian and a leader; she was a mother, a musician, a thinker, a writer, a wife, a friend, a farmer, an academic, an investor, a philanthropist, and a protester. She wanted a world where we could be counted, as she said, not by the size of our GDP and our incomes but by the warmth of our relationships with each other and with nature, by the health of our children and our elders and our rivers and our land. We want more people to share the secret of real happiness and satisfaction in life, which comes not from having more but from being more, and from being part of a society that values all its members and values the land, the water, and the other species with which we share them. Farewell, Jeanette, and thank you, and please give our love to Rod.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EWaiata\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003EMembers stood as a mark of respect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022297a638ad1004ed2a8b6c5ea61cba670\u0022\u003EMinisterial Statements\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022413c454aba7a4216a98b08394989702e\u0022\u003ECOVID-19 Outbreak\u2014Government\u2019s Response to Economic Effects\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002228a9484167ad4698a4e29098c16f9c97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002228a9484167ad4698a4e29098c16f9c97\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I wish to make a ministerial statement on the Government\u2019s response to the economic effects of COVID-19. While there is much uncertainty about the COVID-19 outbreak, it is clear that it is going to impact the world economy, and therefore New Zealand\u2019s economy, for much of 2020. As we know from events like the global financial crisis, New Zealand is not immune to economic shocks that occur offshore and that are beyond our control, but what we can do, alongside our public health response, is to support confidence with a plan to address domestic economic impacts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EOur first responsibility as a Government is the health and wellbeing of our citizens. That is why our response continues to be led by our public health response. This strong public health response will also ultimately be critical to ensuring our economy and our people come through this outbreak in good shape. We have committed to providing the necessary resources to support our health system to protect New Zealanders\u2019 health and wellbeing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EFrom an economic perspective, the Government has already made a number of immediate interventions, including support for the tourism and seafood industries, funding to increase regional business support programmes, and directing Government departments to pay businesses faster to support cash flow. Inland Revenue and the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) are supporting businesses and workers on issues like provisional tax readjustments, late payment and filing fees, wage instalment plans, and income support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EMSD\u2019s rapid response teams are in place in regions like Tai R\u0101whiti, and we have removed the stand-down period. I met yesterday with the chief executives of New Zealand\u2019s major banks, who told me that they are well-prepared, both in terms of their own operations and in their ability to work with their customers, to get through this. The options they highlighted for customers are reducing or suspending principal payments on loans and temporarily moving to interest-only repayments, helping with restructuring business loans, consolidating loans to help make repayments more manageable, providing access to short-term funding, and referring individual customers to budgeting services. I strongly encourage businesses and banks to talk now and make a plan to get through this challenging situation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EYesterday, the Government signalled its further steps as the impacts spread across the economy. Decisions on these measures need to balance the risks of poorly targeted spending and moving in time to support affected firms and individuals when they need it. Our business continuity package includes a targeted wage subsidy scheme for workers in the most adversely affected sectors, training and redeployment options for affected employees, and working with banks on the potential for future working capital support for companies that face temporary credit constraints. We will not be able to provide a wage subsidy for all affected firms during the duration of COVID-19. It will have to be temporary. It will also have to be tailor-made. We want to target the subsidies to those who are most affected and least able to adjust. Further details of this package will be announced next week. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EThese initiatives do not stop us from providing other forms of assistance to people and firms, but they are a sensible place to begin. We have also directed officials to develop longer-term macroeconomic measures that may be required to support the economy, businesses, and workers if there is a major, sustained global downturn. I reiterate that while we are planning for that situation, we are not predicting it, but planning for it is the responsible thing to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EI want to be clear that this situation is very different to other challenges the New Zealand economy has faced in the past decade. The Canterbury and Kaik\u014Dura earthquakes were events that impacted defined areas, where it was clear which businesses were affected, why, and how. With COVID-19, which is an evolving global health crisis, we are seeing different businesses in the same industries and in the same regions impacted differently. That is why a tailor-made response is required. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EThe global financial crisis was caused by the concerns about what financial institutions like banks were experiencing, but that\u2019s not what is happening here. We have a very sound and stable banking system and a sound underlying economy. We have been running surpluses. Our net debt position, at 19.5 percent of GDP, is well below what we inherited and well below other countries. We are already ahead of the curve with the $12 billion New Zealand Upgrade Programme, which is supporting the economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EThis is a global problem that New Zealand is well positioned to deal with, and because this Government has the interests of all New Zealanders at heart, if we all work together\u2014Government, businesses, and workers\u2014we will get through this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00223cb6265777b549f192082015829459fe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223cb6265777b549f192082015829459fe\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. The National Party shares the Government\u2019s concern about the economic consequences of the COVID-19 outbreak. Already, these have been significant for the businesses affected. People have lost their jobs, they\u2019ve had their hours reduced, they\u2019ve lost income, and they\u2019ve closed their restaurants without knowing when they\u2019ll open again. Some struggling businesses will fall over, and there\u2019s no longer a sense that the impact will be short and sharp, but only a question of how damaging it will be, and we have seen today that the latest business confidence figures are at their lowest levels since 2009. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWe support the initiatives announced so far. We support the tourism and seafood industries, and faster payments from Government departments. We support the efforts of IRD and the Ministry of Social Development to help with provisional tax adjustments and late payments, we agree that businesses in distress should be talking with their banks, and we acknowledge that the Government is putting together its business continuity package, including a targeted wage subsidy scheme for workers in the most adversely affected areas and industries. We were disappointed that the details weren\u2019t available yesterday. This has been going on for several weeks now, and it\u2019s our belief more urgency is required. Yes, it\u2019s complicated, and, yes, the boundaries have to be clearly defined, but we worry that the window to save jobs may be beginning to close. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWe also ask the Government to reconsider its plan to lift the minimum wage again on 1 April. The Government announced several very substantial increases to the minimum wage back in 2017, when the economy was growing strongly\u2014a 27 percent increase over three years. The situation has changed dramatically since then in the past few months. The April change will mean the minimum wage has lifted 20 percent in two years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EIt doesn\u2019t make sense to be proposing relief to businesses at the same time as significantly adding to their costs. Saving jobs should be the focus. The economic challenge before us is serious. The Government needs to shift its mind-set from adding costs to business to taking pressure off small and medium sized enterprises so that they can survive and continue to employ New Zealanders. So I urge the Minister to reconsider and postpone the 1 April rise for six months while we assess the situation. Nobody knows how widespread and deep the international slow-down will be. We need to hope for the best but prepare for the worst.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThanks to the discipline of successive Governments, the country has relatively low debt and the ability to provide stimulus if required. The ability to borrow, however, should not stop the Minister from taking a hard look at wasteful spending, such as with elements of the Provincial Growth Fund. Some of the money would be far better used in a business continuity package than it is being used now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWe also need to recognise the longer-term economic challenges haven\u2019t gone away. The Minister is wrong when he says that New Zealand entered this crisis with strong momentum. That\u2019s not correct. The latest estimate from the Reserve Bank is that New Zealand grew at 1.6 percent in 2019. So a clear, coherent growth plan is outlined. We believe it should include tax relief, a substantial infrastructure plan that is delivered, relief for small businesses, regulatory reduction such as we outlined yesterday, and policies focused on putting more money in the hands of New Zealand families.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EFinally, we thank the Minister for his offer of briefings from Treasury, and we undertake to work constructively to suggest ways forward as we confront this economic challenge together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002212a0f22c9bed4f6e9a1299f640e3d559\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212a0f22c9bed4f6e9a1299f640e3d559\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I thank the member the Hon Paul Goldsmith for that contribution\u2014in particular, his offer to work together. I\u2019m sure he\u2019ll appreciate the briefing that he\u2019s getting\u2014I think this afternoon\u2014from Treasury.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EThree quick points in response. The first of those is that this package and the work we have been doing has all been undertaken in consultation with the business community and, indeed, with the union movement. It is important that we continue to work with them. They are the people who are telling us that this package needs to be targeted and needs to ensure that it reaches the people who need it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EI also note in that regard, with reference to the member\u2019s comment about the minimum wage, that is precisely the across-the-board, sweeping, knee-jerk reaction that is not useful at this point. What is useful at this point is ensuring that support gets to businesses who need it via a targeted approach while also ensuring that our lowest-income New Zealanders get a fair go. We know that those on the minimum wage tend to spend the increases that they get because that is the nature of being on a low income, and we continue to support those New Zealanders to be able to move forward in that way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EThirdly, I just want to make reference to the member\u2019s comment about the timeliness of this package. All countries around the world are grappling with an evolving situation. He will not be able to find countries other than those directly in the eye of the storm who have taken actions beyond what this Government has done. In fact, this Government is well ahead of the curve, in part because of a fully funded infrastructure package that we announced at the end of January. The New Zealand Government has ensured that we are in a good position to deal with what is a serious situation, and we will continue to take a measured and active approach.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022263b5f865912465eb5109fe1673e85c6\u0022\u003EPersonal Explanations\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022917b7f978f9e450db8d5d3d1475e6353\u0022\u003EWritten Questions\u2014Corrections to Written Answers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u00228fc889e44b054be1a13235eea52b74d5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228fc889e44b054be1a13235eea52b74d5\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E Because it may be relevant to my answer for oral question No. 12 today, I wish to seek to correct an answer to a written question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab8b1076bc4c47ab950011b5c5a95ee2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member seeks the permission of the House\u2014the leave of the House\u2014in order to make a statement in order to correct an answer to a written question. Is there any objection to that? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022944cf77d0b57446aa43751fa7698427d\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: In preparing for oral questions, it became clear that the detail provided in a response to written question No. 31387 (2019) may not have been accurate. The Ministry of Social Development will be providing me with an amended answer to rectify this as soon as possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b7ab5d52c064e74b91ff288c6876807\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s the correction?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f258084ec66417eb82d200c4b8bceed\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s\u2014[Interruption] Order! Order! The member has made it clear that she has a new interim answer in place for that, as members do every now and again, unfortunately too often\u2014well, probably not often enough, because there are not enough Ministers who correct them when they should. But until the final answer is available, there\u2019s nothing I can do to sort it out any further. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee83a942478d4a038c7a389fcc3777e1\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I\u2019d just ask you to consider how this works, when the Minister herself, clearly, is aware\u2014because we don\u2019t, with all due respect, know exactly the contents of question 31387, but we can assume now that it relates to the number of families receiving support from Work and Income, and the question will be, if we\u2019ve relied on that answer for the verification for the question in the House, then how is it reasonable that we use some of our questions to a Minister, now based on incorrect information? The Minister will be able to refer to the fact that I\u2019ve corrected myself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274e847bd28d548689f1f61796669621a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sure, and it\u2019s a very fair point, and I\u2019m going to suggest to the House that if the member responsible for the question seeks the leave of the House to have a question tomorrow instead of today, and a proportion of the supplementaries be carried over as well, if the National Party so wish, then I think it would not be good if anyone declined leave for that to occur. So the member\u2019s got until the time to sort it out. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002260d4396c77b34a5bad585d2644d5b6f3\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002225609ad23c704591b002f73ad123e87c\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228748529ec8d6459892b440d848810bb9\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022 data-id=\u00225784424c9f6e46788a06f4f0cb6b64b8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225784424c9f6e46788a06f4f0cb6b64b8\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all her Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u0022a6c6f2ba751e46cbb09d2e20e09a86d2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a6c6f2ba751e46cbb09d2e20e09a86d2\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, particularly the proactive work we are undertaking in response to COVID-19. As has already been referenced in opening statements, we have already, in terms of the economic impacts of COVID-19 and following feedback from the business community and the union movement, required that Government agencies pay their bills within 10 working days. We\u2019ve already decided to remove the stand-down period for those who have lost their jobs in applying for benefits. We\u2019ve expanded the regional business partner programme, deployed the Ministry of Social Development\u2019s rapid response teams, and put in support for the tourism industry. Yesterday, we confirmed that we will also issue a business continuity package next week. It will include a targeted wage subsidy scheme for those most affected sectors, as well as training and redeployment for affected workers, and we are working with banks on future working capital to support those with temporary credit constraints. I do want to acknowledge that, actually, relative to many other economies that are affected by COVID-19, we are amongst a very few who are working on an economic response. There is not yet one from the UK, from the United States, or from Canada, and, when we see Australia\u2019s package, I anticipate there will be a heavy focus on infrastructure, which, of course, this Government has already put in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229791b309f43345f6af8e0015e3551f25\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the Bank of New Zealand that New Zealand is heading for a recession this year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226eab720d6754400bbde149740e05875\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: We have not received advice suggesting that from Treasury. But I do agree with the Bank of New Zealand\u2019s Stephen Toplis, who said this morning that this is a global issue and we should be targeted in our approach and not put in place blanket responses, which is exactly what we as a Government are developing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d271396baa17459f8bd93b6097bece07\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: So is the position that Treasury has not advised the Government at all on the likelihood of recession this year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221bef5c2b414c40ea95aa7bb282c109ea\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: I am reporting to the House that Treasury has not given us advice of that nature.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea259ff28ef742ea9bbe5152e9368511\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Is she going to ask them for advice?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d64827f7a5f4f909ebc701fe6db7cd4\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Of course we\u2019ve received advice on the economic position of New Zealand currently and going forward. The member already knows that we\u2019ve already reflected the likely impact on GDP, putting us in the position in the future to sit around between 2 and potentially 2.5 percent going forward. But we have not received that advice. The member seems disappointed at that reality, but that is not advice that has been received. Regardless of whether we\u2019ve received that advice or not, we are preparing. We are putting in place what is required to make sure that we maintain cash flow for businesses and that they are able to maintain their employees. That is where this Government\u2019s focus should be. And, also, the member will be receiving his own briefing from Treasury today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f953a4dc3c354de7a85cd8f9d1e47583\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Where in the world would it be a normal for a Prime Minister to ring up the head of Treasury and ask for advice that the economy, which the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance are running, is heading for a recession\u2014unless, of course, it was a National Party in charge at the time?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211e5cfa189bf465dadea09e5d132c68c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! There is a very small part of that question which the Prime Minister can answer. It\u2019s in the first part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd9f1ecf2cf54066bce0cb1bf6c64975\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: As I\u2019ve already said, we have not received that advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6866310e17141fd90edb0cc8ca11d3b\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does she not want to know from her Treasury where the New Zealand economy\u2014[Interruption] well, she can laugh, but I\u2019m asking the question\u2014is heading this year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7bcab6ab4a049e6808b1499b82986c9\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: They have said it is not. They are free to give us advice at any time. The point that I am making here is that whilst Treasury have not predicted, we are planning regardless. We are getting ahead of the impacts by putting in place a package to support the business community and our employers and our employees. That is our responsibility and we take it seriously.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c11b92f04d634852827b8934887d2ef5\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s Treasury\u2019s most recent advice on GDP this year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226efda993e7f44f2ebfc4fc14153a05e2\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: As I reported to this House, their predictions are similar to what we\u2019ve seen in some of the public commentary: that it would be, in the future, an impact resulting in between 2 percent and 2.5 percent, from memory\u2014so an impact similar to what some of the economists have said. But this is one point in time. This is a global situation that is evolving, and I expect that some of the advice we will get will evolve. Regardless, we need to prepare ourselves and prepare our economy, and we are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f10139efc7fb4c35895593b003af0de4\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with Sharon Zollner, chief economist at the ANZ, who has said, \u201CAt a time when businesses are very nervous, putting this year\u2019s minimum wage rises on hold would support employment and better social outcomes\u201D; and, if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022721d0806b3c741f39b1437246bfae6ed\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Our focus has to be on supporting businesses who are directly affected. That is why we are developing a targeted response through things like wage subsidies rather than what the BNZ has said: not putting in place a blanket response. The lowest-paid workers should not have to pay for the impacts of COVID-19\u2014first point. Second point: actually, the group that pays the minimum wage the most are our large employers, not our small ones. Third point: the minimum wage has a stimulatory effect. The more the low-income workers have in their pockets, the more they spend, which is exactly what the economy needs. And fourth point: that Opposition has said we need to support workers and their families; cutting their wages is not the way to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abc7c01b1acf4a8da7bf56048579223d\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister understand that if she doesn\u2019t change the minimum wage, the most vulnerable workers will pay for it on the dole, languishing there for a very long time indeed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db0305af38474b469d2a2648427b2b4a\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: The member seems to be suggesting that we should remove the increase in wages for every single minimum wage employee in New Zealand. That would affect 200,000 workers. That would mean less money going into the economy. Instead, to keep those people in jobs, we are working on a wage subsidy to do just that, without having a blanket hit to every single low-income worker in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bfb9f6126c7a45eea2c73649a4561270\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the words of encouragement from the Hon David Bennett that the community should be out panic buying, or in his case for toilet paper?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228711ffd4d8984f0496483d154af79c1f\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve seen a number of comments that I do not think have supported a sensible, rational response at a time when we need our community leaders to take a responsible approach. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a26478f37a884e229a920916137bfe05\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member asked the question. He should be quiet enough to listen to the answer instead of trying to drown it out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275c48abb6ebd4768a6da071409dcdf6c\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: What advice has she received on the number of job losses from the minimum wage increase on 1 April?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286f22143d8a9424db64d7ac3cead169b\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Every single time we do an increase in the minimum wage, from the time that we were last in Government to now, we have received such advice, and I again remind the member that every time we have done that, we have had jobs go up and unemployment go down. Now, actually, the final point I want to make: when we were last in the global financial crisis, we had a National Party in New Zealand who was focused on supporting the lowest-paid workers and taking what was called the \u201Csharp edges\u201D off the recession; now we have an Opposition who would rather have low-paid workers suffer. That is not the way to deal with this. We instead can support employers directly to stay in work and to have decent wages while they\u2019re there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f563b0ebe9f4033a012b96f47f9f004\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does she accept that increasing the minimum wage on 1 April will increase the number of people who will lose their jobs in this country?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022394477a917b449529e53709ccf9f3fc3\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: That is exactly what the business continuity package we are designing is designed to prevent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7f1d91e5ee449e896d3fe8dc0c6c512\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Has the advice on the number of job losses from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment at 6,500 as a result of the minimum wage increase on 1 April been updated to reflect the additional impact of coronavirus and, therefore, the increase in those job losses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252442edc1f8342288a8bc3d7b6e738a4\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: That assumes that advice is correct. I remind the member that we have presided over some of the lowest unemployment rates in a decade, all the while increasing the wages of New Zealand\u2014first point. Second point: 40 percent of businesses who rely on the minimum wage are large organisations; half of them are small businesses. So you do a disservice to those small businesses who are paying wages above minimum wage. Finally, there is a stimulatory effect as a result of minimum wages, which is exactly what we need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022651b504b6de9475ba613e9ede32ba540\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u002269f3fc0ce85140ef8deb1f37d92e8147\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269f3fc0ce85140ef8deb1f37d92e8147\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Is he confident that Government is taking the necessary steps to preserve jobs and strengthen the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u00226b070bbad5be406abe73a6aac719c9e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b070bbad5be406abe73a6aac719c9e5\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I am. This Government has acted swiftly and decisively to put in place a number of initiatives to help affected businesses and workers. These include support for the tourism and fisheries industries, an extra $4 million for the Regional Business Partner programme, as well as the support that workers and businesses get through the Ministry of Social Development and IRD. Yesterday, Cabinet approved work that we are doing alongside the business community to develop a business continuity package targeted at affected businesses, workers, and regions. This is on top of what is the most important part of our economic response\u2014the comprehensive public health response that the Government is overseeing. This public health response is our front line against the economic impacts of COVID-19, and I am proud of the work that our public health officials are doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c6d1503fd0245c3887f4702ece9ce01\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept that further substantial increases in the minimum wage will make it harder for businesses to stay in business?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298d50a93445a4ad693d0c0ff3c300647\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bfc4a3b99b214385bff67e606a488296\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Government still in the mind-set of adding costs to employers through further substantial minimum wage increases on 1 April?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225852f50ea3c4204afdabf38dfa126d3\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re not. The Government\u2019s mind-set is making sure that the lowest-income New Zealanders get a fair go, can put food on the table, and look after their families. This is a situation where we are in a phase where a targeted approach to supporting businesses who are affected is important while, at the same time, protecting the incomes of New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ff5ea9050124c9bb3dda0a80195ff9b\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister stand by the Government\u2019s policy of raising the minimum wage to $17.70 at this time last year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e57447aaf32f49a2a1f5f10b7effe8e0\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I stand by all of the Government\u2019s actions with regard to the minimum wage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cdbbb080b8da4d82992f612e0d851e3c\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: If the Minister agrees with the minimum wage where it is, why does he propose to raise it on businesses up and down New Zealand at a time of great economic difficulty?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022591f5fc8fdbf4e2cba750e450ad70355\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: We have traversed this material already. This is a situation where the lowest-income New Zealanders deserve to get a fair go. This is money that will circulate around the economy, having a stimulatory effect. We are working alongside our business community right now to make sure we do a targeted response.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a8515fb4d4444b88d64d09dd77f54ee\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Where does he think a struggling small business\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002278cdce21feea418088663bb794b8ae88\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member just lost next week\u2019s supplementaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a872cd68a1a24a93abf419b1a543dcd9\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Where does he think a struggling small business, say, in the hospitality sector right now, will find the money to pay the increase in the minimum wage?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260f510ca324a47bda346849fa1724274\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Businesses around New Zealand\u2014and this may come as a surprise to the member\u2014have been preparing for an increase in the minimum wage for some time. As the Prime Minister has already said, most small businesses in New Zealand pay their workers in excess of the minimum wage already. We on this side of the House stand alongside both the businesses and low-income New Zealanders in focusing on helping both of them through this situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022376a0bc0b3534b0aab4b9c41c0f78f2d\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Did he listen to the feedback from the business community, as expressed by the chief economist of ANZ, that postponement of the minimum wage is a \u201CNo-brainer\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a379c9fc136a46e4abca3a485bf2279c\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I heard that advice, but I also have heard from a number of other members of the business community how pleased they are with the business continuity package that we announced yesterday, that they\u2019ve welcomed this, and they realise that this is exactly the kind of approach we should be taking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227eb41e313bb94ea4991e775c7f6cc08c\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: How much, if any, of the $12 billion infrastructure spending announced at the start of the year will be spent in the first half of this year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209d9bad197fa4a71bcaadb9b8b4429de\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: As of the time of the announcement, we said that five projects would be started this year. We continue to spend already on infrastructure, before we even get to the $12 billion package, far in excess of the previous Government. There is more money going into transport, more money going into health infrastructure, more money going into education infrastructure\u2014the member should catch up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022965c867d36cb47e896e23ef20bacdaa0\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Given you have just removed all of the supplementaries allocated to ACT for the next five sitting days and removed any chance of holding the Government to account through supplementary questions, I just wonder: do you plan to penalise the Labour Party member who started the altercation for which you penalised ACT?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224aedb6e5603d4bd28caded3ddb9c1967\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: If the member sits down, I\u2019ll reply to him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0a593449ebe475283a7f835f9f3c29c\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a reasonable question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208a61f0e855c41ff9de31d0747da345e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member will resume his seat. I do not, because that member did not interject while Mr Goldsmith was speaking. That member did, twice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb144df5fc414c028323b767f757ae19\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2c3047c243b4a28a7a959fbb77b84ec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s looking for an extension?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022baac9235feed4903b4aeb1deb6800f38\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, your version of events is plainly impossible. It couldn\u2019t have happened that way, because it was an interchange where we were replying to each other. Andrew Little spoke three times, I spoke twice, so it is impossible that your version of events is true, or your treatment is fair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bcae1741e2d43d184c4104ab2cfdc25\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, in that particular case, I\u2019ll take two questions off the Labour Party now. I might say that, possibly because of his volume and almost certainly because of his direction, I could hear that member very loudly, as could everyone in the House, whereas I could not hear Mr Little. But the Labour Party will lose two supplementary questions today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022649e6fb378ed4e5c920ceb7a7d10a85f\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s good to see that you\u2019re at least formally upholding equality between members, but the effect of this judgment on the ability of the Opposition versus the Government is still grossly disproportionate on the two sides\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022900213dd09114b15a8dca07b7768a1c0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member will resume his seat. He should have thought of that before he started interjecting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225e3978d9b2024b3dabff5edfcf9fef14\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Conservation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd6b36b704f94ec5bafd0614cee23861\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd6b36b704f94ec5bafd0614cee23861\u0022\u003EHon JAMES SHAW (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Conservation: How will the goal of predator-free status by 2050 be achieved in Aotearoa New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u0022c0649a578f1b41de80211150e6779c89\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c0649a578f1b41de80211150e6779c89\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE (Minister of Conservation):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Yesterday, I was proud to launch the Government\u2019s Predator Free 2050 strategy towards a predator-free New Zealand and its accompanying action plan. They set out how we can turn the dream of being predator-free into a reality with Government, Department of Conservation, working alongside iwi, landholders, councils, local businesses, and community organisations to eradicate possums, stoats, and rats. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253f96856258b496b83592062da16d934\u0022\u003EHon James Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: What funding has the Government provided to support this plan?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ea40c39095949a5ab786f682bec726d\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: Unlike the previous Government, this Government has given the biggest increase in conservation funding since 2002, and that included $81 million in 2018 so that the department could undertake the largest ever aerial predator control operation, rather than the department having to go cap in hand, as it had to under the previous Government. And, in 2019, through the Provincial Growth Fund, there was an additional $19 million to Predator Free New Zealand Ltd, to expand the number of regional projects and to invest in new tools and technology for predator control.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227c215736-b512-41de-8f0c-6c5543fcfce7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff522da4eb104a919424d5964ebcc3fe\u0022\u003EHon James Shaw\u003C/span\u003E: And what involvement has the wider community had in the development of the Towards a Predator Free New Zealand strategy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e4e151a9113420f9a973d68f2402333\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: The Predator Free 2050 Strategy was developed by the Department of Conservation, in consultation with iwi, with input from technical experts, scientists, environmental organisations, communities, and the public. It draws on m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori, derived from generations of interaction between people and te taiao and expertise gained from decades of working successfully to eradicate predators from 117 of New Zealand\u2019s offshore islands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d654c713b15f4bee907f6836a477ee20\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Could I ask the Minister, how many 1080-free and predator-free initiatives\u2014like that on Waiheke Island\u2014has she launched since the new Government came to power?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b0625096f044690944ddf0b654ed536\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE\u003C/span\u003E: There is also an initiative in Otago for predator-free Dunedin and Otago Peninsula that relies a lot on trapping. Through the Provincial Growth Fund and that additional $3.5 million, there\u2019s a lot of work being done on new tools and technologies, traps, lures, new bait, all designed to provide a range of tools in the tool box\u2014much more investment in actually making predator-free happen than the National Party\u2019s dream. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022333cae3598e84fe998ffce7c907bda6a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! Both of you, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022671c6dd6dd6443bfa1f25fc7c969964a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u00224152c54946ef43288e1686435d41503e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224152c54946ef43288e1686435d41503e\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by his statement in relation to the coronavirus outbreak that New Zealand has \u201Camongst the toughest restrictions in the world\u201D; if so, how is he defining \u201Ctoughest\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u0022caf0db447d1d43bc893fa0db3c9621f5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022caf0db447d1d43bc893fa0db3c9621f5\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Yes\u2014for example, New Zealand was one of the first countries to impose travel restrictions on Iran, acting ahead of Australia and the United States, while the United Kingdom and Canada still have no COVID-19 - related travel restrictions. That is what I mean by being among the toughest restrictions in the world: taking early action based on good scientific and health advice in response to a rapidly evolving situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288dd28ee24b942ebb42df488787a2f3b\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that Australia imposed a travel ban on non-Australians from South Korea and advanced screening measures for travellers from Italy five days ago, and do we have the same measures?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227616300177d447b9c0c8e5df2a11e6a\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand acted swiftly in response to the outbreak of COVID-19 in South Korea. On Monday, 2 March, we began registering all arrivals from South Korea for self-isolation. That action came three days before Australia introduced its restrictions, and I\u2019m advised it continues to be an appropriate way to manage the risk of COVID-19 arriving here from South Korea. It may interest the member also to know that inbound travel from South Korea has dropped dramatically.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295b3081a9ff24bff895966513d7b4a8b\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Has he received correspondence from passengers arriving into Auckland Airport criticising the lack of screening compared to other airports they\u2019ve been to, and, if not, would he like to see some of mine?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f677db8b-66c5-4794-953c-bdf7aa425710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214d0b7a1970f4c1ca05e53872fed2cfc\u0022\u003EMarja Lubeck\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, nobody wants to see yours.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220efbcec7377041d1a59fdbc7844c9e14\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d9fe0b859a8483f9237f6fd35337741\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Health staff are now meeting all flights. We have health information being provided to everyone entering the country. All airlines have been asked to make a health announcement upon landing, and we are registering people who require self-isolation at the border. Our Health staff and Customs staff are doing good work at the border to keep the public safe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecc908c019394b01ac5ba147e01dbb55\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Is it the case that an infected passenger was able to arrive from Iran and go through Auckland Airport visibly ill and not stopped in a country with the \u201Ctoughest restrictions in the world\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ed18511f2de4918912603af88b0c3fc\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: In respect of the individual\u2019s circumstances, I think the member knows that the matter is a little more complex than that. He has been in receipt of briefings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243cecffe73404c2fa08674be8590b803\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: I seek the leave of the House to be counted as present in Parliament regardless of location for all of next week, because if I can\u2019t rely on you to stand up for my rights as an MP, there\u2019s very little point in being here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022634cf573d8934c5cba4020c1bd7d9a2e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! The member has the right to seek leave if he so wishes. Is there any objection?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225950bb5545d645b79c5d22df17aac904\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224bd1732f037d461c979715f70c1f0ad9\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, you want me here?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fee801600494909b54dabae5ff05a44\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Always.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d737a3e130f64d019327e7e599df8dc9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, members shouldn\u2019t mislead the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267068a07c15047c5a662743f110f3663\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that a passenger arriving from a country with confirmed coronavirus cases, and having been on a cruise, was not screened at Auckland Airport, despite notifying staff on her flight that she was unwell?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5216612e5ce4869a59ef14127bb6fd5\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Again, I think the member knows that the matter is a little more complex than that. At the time that individual was first treated, there were no reports of COVID-19 on the cruise ship she had been on. Standing down staff at the hospital has been taken as a precautionary measure based on best clinical practice, and North Shore Hospital has told us there\u2019s no impact on clinical care and they continue to provide services as usual. I think if the member\u2014well, what I would say is that the member has been in receipt of briefings from the Director-General of Health and myself, and last week the member asked me what support, if any, the Opposition can provide to help New Zealanders. I replied, saying that I saw a constructive role for the Opposition to play to ensure New Zealanders receive messages that are based on the best scientific and medical advice\u2014and I look forward to that happening if the member wants to continue to have a constructive working relationship on this issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b27f8495424442b1a2ed5f81e45be658\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: So will he support my call for an urgent inquiry into the circumstances that led to a probable coronavirus patient being in North Shore Hospital for five days without being identified as such, despite what he describes as measures amongst the toughest in the world?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221052b93947f24d328b66f6ad2cd1b1d4\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: At the time that individual was first treated at North Shore Hospital, there were no reports of COVID-19 on the cruise ship she had been on. I\u2019m assured that all appropriate public health measures, including contact tracing, are being taken in the circumstances. We have continued with a precautionary approach and are continually being updated with the best scientific and medical advice. The case definition has been broadened to emphasise the importance of clinicians using their clinical judgment, and that is something the member is aware of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022965485dd5da94740872a4c9afeb85420\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022 data-id=\u0022a1e90344bb634920a04a34f627c2ec83\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a1e90344bb634920a04a34f627c2ec83\u0022\u003EJAMIE STRANGE (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u00221906045af86b47e99540017040b97ef0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221906045af86b47e99540017040b97ef0\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The impact on New Zealand\u2019s economy from the global disruption caused by the COVID-19 outbreak is starting to show. I\u2019ve seen a wide range of reports on economic activity highlighting that different industries in different regions are being affected in different ways. For example, in ANZ\u2019s commentary on its Truckometer series for February, the bank economist said activity was \u201Cstill business as usual around most of the country\u201D as areas associated with logging were impacted more than others. This shows why a tailor-made response targeted at those industries and regions that are most affected is the appropriate way forward at this time as we work together with businesses to finalise the details of the Government\u2019s business continuity package.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291e5cb5cc95c4d6a9df9e8e5e7537674\u0022\u003EJamie Strange\u003C/span\u003E: What reports has he seen on the international context for the New Zealand economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c33c22f74e104846b830c10f62ff49f3\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The COVID-19 outbreak is causing a global economic shock as supply chains are disrupted and demand is impacted. We\u2019ve seen the global reaction to the virus spreading in countries outside China and reflected in the global stock markets in recent days. International credit ratings agency Standard \u0026amp; Poor\u2019s (S\u0026amp;P) last week cut its 2020 global growth forecast by half a percent, saying that Australia, Hong Kong, Japan, Korea, Singapore, and Thailand will either enter or flirt with recession. This highlights why the strength of the New Zealand economy going into this situation is important. S\u0026amp;P last week forecast 2 percent growth for 2020. We go into this with unemployment at 4 percent; Government debt, lower than we inherited it, at 19.5 percent of GDP; and, just today, we saw that manufacturing activity in the December quarter had had its strongest rise in six years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c2e823af-22b7-4411-8b12-14d7b43680ea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296a7c1ead1ae4c1f89d4699f216cb064\u0022\u003EJamie Strange\u003C/span\u003E: What actions is the Government taking to support businesses and workers through COVID-19?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b22077c53e14a16a50625c85214c6b7\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Yesterday, the Government signalled work on a business continuity package. The timely package includes a targeted wage subsidy and scheme for workers in the most adversely affected sectors, training and redeployment options for affected employees, and working with banks on the potential for future working capital support for companies that face temporary credit constraints. The measures we undertake as part of this package will be targeted to those businesses and workers who are most affected and least able to adjust. We\u2019ve also instructed officials to develop a macroeconomic programme in the event of a sustained global downturn. Our first responsibility as a Government is the health and wellbeing of our people, which is why our response continues to be led by a public health response. We stand ready to assist our businesses and workers as the economic impact of the global health crisis unfolds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022245935a78ac04a668d8b19f8d856d8e1\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022e3cfaa61e5f4495980f7c891eef1a128\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e3cfaa61e5f4495980f7c891eef1a128\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: Has the Ministry of Transport recommended to him that the NZ Infra proposal for Auckland light rail should be selected as the preferred delivery partner for the project, and what advice, if any, has the ministry provided about a start date for construction of the project?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022c55267d96cfc40be93ca422ecc1c1c27\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c55267d96cfc40be93ca422ecc1c1c27\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Transport: The Ministry of Transport has made a recommendation to the Government on the Auckland light rail project. Due to commercial sensitivity, I don\u2019t believe it\u2019s in the public interest to go into the details of that recommendation before Cabinet has made a decision on it. No advice has been given on a specific date for construction to start.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0287fac164044bdbc60d56efd899a4f\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Ministry of Transport recommended either of the two proposals for Auckland light rail?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022073ca928a1dc4d28a54ac06146cf12f2\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in my primary answer, I don\u2019t believe it\u2019s in the public interest to go into the detail of the advice that has been received until Cabinet has made a decision on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c35f9a791caf442a9e6c610d84b6e846\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: When he said last week that \u201CThe cost of capital is only one factor to be considered, there are an array of other issues.\u201D, what are the other issues?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cdbb2f833ce467b90304bddfe79985f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: All of those issues will be considered in the advice that\u2019s given to Cabinet. That advice has not gone to Cabinet yet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8b4024db8ac40348f47cd416ec8c6c4\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the New Zealand Infra proposal for light rail involve 1,500 pages of detailed route designs and stations when, according to the Ministry of Transport, the twin track process is designed to select a delivery partner and not choose a detailed proposal?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1ca634f998c47dca31cf14e9cd5c8f2\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s up to them what they put in their proposals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb07a9560ce7488fa780b670f2cb78db\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Has the ministry provided him with a best-case estimate of when construction could start on Auckland light rail, and, if so, what is it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4ed3c87d5a34580a9c4b01699524ba7\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: As I indicated in my primary answer, advice on a specific date for construction to start has not been provided.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d197f34b6c3342b1972bd1cc24729878\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Question No. 7, Simon O\u2019Connor. [Interruption] Order! Both of you again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022db1e3cde7452492c9a14b381141aec1e\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Housing (Public Housing)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u00221fa561ffd4f7492a892f4cb32e67c62a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221fa561ffd4f7492a892f4cb32e67c62a\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing): Can he confirm that almost 15,000 New Zealanders are currently waiting for a State house, and that the waiting list is more than double what it was when the National-led Government left office?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u00228cc13c4e51fc42458c01ba8fbe0ba826\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228cc13c4e51fc42458c01ba8fbe0ba826\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing)):\u003C/span\u003E I can advise that the January data on the public housing wait-list will be available publicly and to the member and the House very soon. For some time the waiting list has shown that New Zealand is facing a severe housing shortage and more people\u2014especially those with fewer resources\u2014are asking for help. The Government has placed a strong emphasis on people coming forward and telling us if they need housing support, and doing everything we can to get a roof over their heads, and this is contributing to more people requesting help from the Government than under National.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f32a32a1c91462e97c1acaaa5ec1088\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! While there\u2019s no requirement to give a yes, no, or an absolute answer, the second part of the question is one that, I think, needs more addressing than it received from the Minister. He will finish the answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0fd871c820148fe92a75660d31a82d6\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I am advised that the latest waiting list figures have the figure at 14,996 and that under the previous Government it was just a little under 6,000.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8c00be2a1fa498eb28d68820b1db844\u0022\u003ESimon O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Was the Prime Minister running a factual campaign when she said, in the Parliament, \u201CWe can house the homeless.\u201D, and, if so, how does he explain the Government now purchasing whole motel complexes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247fefb61e14b41e790f81be8a93ccb15\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: For some time the Government has used motels in order to house people who are in need of transitional housing while we ramp up the largest State building programme since the 1970s. This Government\u2019s approach is markedly different than the previous; we are building thousands of homes and the previous Government demolished thousands of homes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed93016fe7234b16bee461b12a5f9e68\u0022\u003ESimon O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: What is his response to Scott Figenshow of Community Housing Aotearoa, who said that motels were a band-aid and not a genuine solution to the housing crisis, in light of more and more motel places being utilised by this Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c8397e7f23d44009dbc4248d84b523e\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I agree with Mr Figenshow, it is a band-aid solution. We wouldn\u2019t need that band-aid if the previous Government hadn\u2019t sold and demolished State homes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b247e9b5022e42bcb11b13d047e6f909\u0022\u003ESimon O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that those \u201Cthousands of homes\u201D that were sold and demolished were often sold to community housing providers or new houses fourfold built upon?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c30ad5ccb784adca9397a0576db11b0\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m really glad that that member asked that question. It is true that a number of houses were transferred to the likes of Accessible Properties and the Tamaki Regeneration group. What National isn\u2019t telling us is that we\u2019re close to a further 3,000 homes between 2012 and 2017\u2014State homes\u2014that just went missing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002207dc4112-8a19-4dd6-a57c-878b47f8a9b6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201ee4f82f2a34b5f8711ff9ce38816cb\u0022\u003EHon Ron Mark\u003C/span\u003E: How many community houses would this Government have to provide in the Wairarapa today if a previous Government hadn\u2019t sold off the 585 to Trust House? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d920d0eb0fbf4505966437d0ec744d69\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: A double blow for the National Party there because it did nothing in the Wairarapa in the previous nine years of Government, and, I understand, sold off the entire State house stock, with the previous Government before the last Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240306682def54923800e7a59fd97effe\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that many of the State houses that were demolished were not replaced at all and the land sat vacant for years and years and years? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228362ea9c1298480f8985956b0b01c823\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I thank the Minister for the question, which is, yes. I have an example in my own electorate where land stood dormant and looked like a park for eight years, and lo and behold, when we came into Government, houses are being built. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c531e985f8814d52b141704e6c203c85\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Can he confirm that if the previous Government built houses at the same rate as this Government there wouldn\u2019t be a waiting list at all? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226bd29bf9fe44b39b7126bcf7021f0df\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: The questioner is correct. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f1194d8cf18446793071aee19539b56\u0022\u003ESimon O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister believe that his colleagues are becoming rather defensive in asking all these supplementary questions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fd0c250144d40c79b919979cf38a33c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! That was a deliberately disorderly question for which the member has no responsibility and Simon O\u2019Connor knows it, and chipping from my predecessor doesn\u2019t help.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dcd948293b374b6fa426d6295c37bd25\u0022\u003EHon Dr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that many of the houses that National claimed that they planned while in Government were in fact unfunded and it fell on Budget 2018 to provide the funding for what would have otherwise been ghost houses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a698933faa804dc19600a73c49dfdb86\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I thank that member and a number of members who have been proud enough to stand up and ask questions of me around public housing from this Government. We are proud that we have built nearly over 4,000 public housing spots since we came to office and have doubled the transitional housing places available since we came into Government, which, again, I would point out, is a marked difference to the previous Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c3e5327044c460aa680baccda8afdd7\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Could the Minister please confirm how many hundreds of millions of dollars was spent on State housing in Christchurch alone?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223664d0c51dd24d0b9fddf57371542206\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t have that figure on me but I would say that in Budget 2018\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223380088d19e44d30a0615c000488a070\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cdf45594b024065bb187551e39f88b2\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014this Government committed $328 million to building more State homes, of which we have delivered over 4,300; something we are very proud of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6a7750e33174b54bd223dc2ee382781\u0022\u003EHon Stuart Nash\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware that in Napier alone the previous Government pulled down about 130 State houses and apartments and didn\u2019t replace one of them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f5d51fb07614e33827747a1fc307ebf\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: Unfortunately, that is just one example of the previous Government who took their wrecking ball to many State homes around the country. We are swinging hammers, not wrecking balls; building homes, not wrecking them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227182050463f24e4d9e099f6888a6d473\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022 data-id=\u00224ab9691ab4cd49e8ae5f426432a92983\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ab9691ab4cd49e8ae5f426432a92983\u0022\u003EANGIE WARREN-CLARK (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: How will the decision to make COVID-19 a quarantinable disease help keep the public safe?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u0022e48809d0362e45e798c4a267913adc5f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e48809d0362e45e798c4a267913adc5f\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E New Zealand currently has only five confirmed cases of COVID-19, but we continue to plan and prepare for a range of possible scenarios. As part of that precautionary approach, Cabinet yesterday acted to make COVID-19 a quarantinable disease effective from tomorrow. That means that medical officers of health will have powers under the Health Act 1956 to quarantine ships, aircraft, and associated travellers coming into New Zealand where there are grounds to believe there may be cases of COVID-19 on board. We have not yet had any need for such powers, but this is another sensible precaution we can take to protect the public, and it\u2019s in line with the pandemic plan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b716bae9607403c829b77f61fba9644\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: How many cruise ships are currently in New Zealand, and how many are expected in coming weeks?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227866d312c0374110b43b10e42b6f1216\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m advised there are currently nine cruise ships in New Zealand ports. Before ships arrive in New Zealand, they have to make health declarations, and health staff are available to meet any vessels with crew or passengers of concern. I have not been advised of any current concerns about vessels in New Zealand, but by making COVID-19 a quarantinable disease, we now have the full range of powers necessary to respond in future. We are nearing the end of the peak season for cruise ships, with a further 11 expected to arrive in March and 10 in April.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261f09dcde47443b39bbb245ad83720c5\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: Are there any other benefits of making COVID-19 a quarantinable disease?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e937faa8cd80480cb3df6aab741dd34b\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. As a quarantinable disease, the Epidemic Preparedness Act also applies to COVID-19. That means, for example, that an epidemic notice could be issued to allow for a temporary relaxation of health practitioners registration and practice requirements under the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Act 2003. This could be used to make it easier for health professionals that are not currently practising to return to the workforce if required, although there is no suggestion at this stage that this will be required. These powers were last enabled in 2014 when viral fevers such as Ebola were named as a quarantinable disease.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e69d54bf54694c93bf3835c2548610e6\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Ethnic Communities\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022 data-id=\u0022161e34484d5443969f690b8910bc27b7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022161e34484d5443969f690b8910bc27b7\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Ethnic Communities: Does she stand by her statement that \u201CThe Government is committed to the wellbeing of New Zealand\u2019s ethnic communities\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022687dff41929646e4a5a304ee89642a76\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022687dff41929646e4a5a304ee89642a76\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA (Minister for Ethnic Communities):\u003C/span\u003E I stand by my full statement that the Government is committed to the wellbeing of New Zealand\u2019s ethnic communities and we are providing ongoing support to our Muslim families and brothers and sisters in the wake of the 15 March terror attacks. I\u2019m proud that as a Government, we have made an eightfold increase in the Ethnic Communities Development Fund, to $4.2 million per year, for direct funding of community groups; driven the largest expansion of the Office of Ethnic Communities in its history to ensure the Government works on the ground right alongside our ethnic communities; provided around $1.4 million immediately after the March 15 attacks to Muslim community groups and projects, activities that built connections for Muslim and non-Muslim communities through the Ethnic Communities Development Fund; co-hosted, with the Prime Minister, imams and Muslim leaders from all mosques across Aotearoa New Zealand; personally hosted 12 dialogues with Muslim women and Muslim youth and community leaders across New Zealand to develop a plan to address their key concerns; worked to deliver an employment action plan for ethnic communities, which includes tackling barriers to employment for ethnic communities; co-hosted with the Prime Minister a meeting with faith and interfaith leaders in Auckland. I also hosted four faith and interfaith hui in Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, and Dunedin to discuss ways of improving social inclusion, attended by over 300\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b5cdbe3540b48de8109bb73e1a4b6c8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! At the risk of appearing insensitive, that answer is far too long.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022105ecc5030cb446b8af289d1144ba038\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the comments of Narendra Bhana of the Auckland Indian Association that \u201CShane Jones\u2019 comments on [the] Indian students are racist. Period.\u201D; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022329ff03725a34662a2cdb7457de8e30a\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: It is my responsibility, as Minister for Ethnic Communities, to ensure social inclusion in Aotearoa New Zealand. You would have heard from the list of things that I actually stated before how the Minister for Ethnic Communities and the Office of Ethnic Communities are addressing social inclusion. The Prime Minister has already said that his comments are both \u201Cwrong\u201D and \u201Cloose\u201D. He was not speaking on behalf of the Government, and, as Minister for Ethnic Communities, I can only be responsible for my own comments. When it comes to supporting ethnic communities, there is no question that our Government supports ethnic communities strongly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228338f5939a764616bfcf397d113ade66\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Are statements such as \u201CI think the number of students that have come from India have ruined many of those institutions.\u201D and Indians \u201Chave no legitimate expectations in my view to bring your whole village to New Zealand\u201D representative of the Government\u2019s commitment to the wellbeing of New Zealand\u2019s ethnic communities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b250665d4c045f294c8c575fc975eb2\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: I do not agree. I strongly disagree with those comments, but, as I say, the Prime Minister has already been clear on this. The comments that were made were absolutely wrong, and it is not clear to me whether my responsibility as Minister for Ethnic Communities extends to being the \u201Cracist police\u201D. I will be held accountable for my own comments, but I am not actually responsible for other people\u2019s comments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215ceab79f62c4baca6ddcf5c3f6a0d37\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Government expect to achieve its \u201Cplan to build healthier, safer, and more connected communities\u201D for multi-ethnic New Zealanders when the Minister for Ethnic Communities and her office have no influence over the racist statements of other Ministers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202391a20adf74ef1af79d63e08827361\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: As I said earlier on, the Office of Ethnic Communities and I, as Minister for Ethnic Communities, do not agree with those statements. There is a lot of work that we are doing. In terms of the reports when we went and consulted with Muslim communities, we have come through with a lot of things that we would need to do to improve in a lot of areas. In terms of what we heard from the communities, they said that when they come through from overseas\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cabd14ed20f40d5b208d9f3aaf4565d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The member did address the question. The honourable Michael Wood\u2014sorry, Michael Wood. Premature; I apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b6f1d97828a4df1b14ae3ba0c7095ce\u0022\u003EMichael Wood\u003C/span\u003E: I thought it was OK, Mr Speaker. Does the Minister reject all statements of a discriminatory nature, including references to two-for-one ratios in respect of different ethnicities, and comparing Indian students to fridges?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb9f09d3f13e423b9c57f2fa05a1d8bb\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely. I reject all of those statements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225040f33236d845cdb2f068d11a0a8b00\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister for Ethnic Communities personally asked the Minister for Regional Economic Development to apologise to Indian New Zealanders for his comments; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdfbb826394e499eb8993f31b436b90c\u0022\u003EHon JENNY SALESA\u003C/span\u003E: The Prime Minister has had a lot of conversations with the Minister for Regional Economic Development, and I have had a conversation with the Minister myself, but it is actually up to all of us as individuals to be held to the statements that we make.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002266b866b1563c40698695568413f045a1\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Social Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022 data-id=\u0022317f13e94ed44e15a75901eacf161d80\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022317f13e94ed44e15a75901eacf161d80\u0022\u003EHon PAULA BENNETT (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development: Has she received any advice from the Ministry of Social Development on how the coronavirus outbreak will affect forecasts of the number of people on Jobseeker Support; if so, what did the advice state?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb16c9ef39fd497184595210b96fb94f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb16c9ef39fd497184595210b96fb94f\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Minister for Social Development):\u003C/span\u003E I have not received advice specifically on jobseeker support forecasts in relation to COVID-19. My focus has been on ensuring that the Ministry for Social Development (MSD) remains poised and ready to support those who are able to stay in work to find alternative work or enter into further upskilling and training, if and when required. We have already announced rapid response teams to provide expert support to affected employers and workers, and also the removal of stand-down periods for main benefit. Alongside our investment in work-focused case management, as well as initiatives like Mana in Mahi, MSD is in a good position to continue to support both employers and employees moving forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e0d2a4d3f394a8196a4081bbef27622\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister asked for projected forecasts on the number of the increase there may be of those on benefits due to the coronavirus?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219962162ba204719ab38c0f5853e023b\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: I haven\u2019t been alerted to the need for forecasts at this point. Updates to benefit forecasts will next be completed as part of the Budget Economic and Fiscal Update, which is set to be published on 14 May 2020.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225366106cbe4d4088ad6fd08253948878\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Given that jobseeker support numbers are already at similar highs to where they were during the global financial crisis, will the additional impact of the coronavirus cause this Government to set new records for the number of Kiwis on jobseeker support?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4cdc6735ca7484ca30027c795fc8566\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: As I\u2019ve said in the House before, we need to keep all figures in perspective. We have the lowest unemployment rate, at 4 percent, that we have experienced in a decade. We have a working-age population on benefit of 10.5 percent, which is relative, if not better, to every year that the previous Government were in. We are consistently focused on how we can support people into upskilling and training, and I think that that is shown through our investment in 263 more work-focused case managers. I think that we all need to remain conscious of what is going on with respect to COVID-19. We will continually assess the situation to make sure that we are acting in the best interests of New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002263776108-58dc-4cab-baf1-95282c61d0de\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f74a4360e0e43a69a329d1fc7eb7048\u0022\u003EHon Paula Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister seen projections as high as a further 40,000 people that could go on the jobseeker benefit due to the coronavirus?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb9011d786404c239ca42d753f46dd4b\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: I have been provided with no forecasted figures for the jobseeker benefit that align with the COVID-19 adverse event that we are facing, as I said earlier, but we remain poised. We think it\u2019s very important that we are prepared, as a Government agency, alongside all of the other Government agencies, and we will continue to do our job. For MSD, that is ensuring that New Zealanders who need financial support receive it, as well as receiving the support to get into upskilling and training and work\u2014that is our focus.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002215020d7573264e36938b47946271c3a9\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Small Business\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022 data-id=\u0022710ed36a2a0b417b8926a44fbb5f0179\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022710ed36a2a0b417b8926a44fbb5f0179\u0022\u003EKIRITAPU ALLAN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Small Business: What action has the Government taken to help small businesses be paid promptly?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u002205cab2f5574f4adf8117e14f44aaace5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205cab2f5574f4adf8117e14f44aaace5\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister for Small Business):\u003C/span\u003E In September 2019, the Minister of State Services and I directed Government departments to cut their repayment times to support New Zealand businesses. The target then was that 95 percent of domestic invoices are to be paid within 10 business days by June 2020. Yesterday, in response to COVID-19, the Prime Minister and the Minister of Finance wrote to all departments with an instruction to bring that target forward. All departments have been instructed to pay their bills within 10 working days, with immediate effect. We\u2019ve acted on prompter payments in response to talks with Business New Zealand, with banks, small businesses, tourism operators, and others. It\u2019s a tangible sign of action, and we are leading by example in our response to this global issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022286d0a5dfd7d42a0a2fe066beb4ab84d\u0022\u003EKiritapu Allan\u003C/span\u003E: What other action has the Government taken to help small businesses respond to the impacts of COVID-19?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d1c9d461b8c4b80aac3c2f9a668b775\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: The Government is teaming up with the business community as it responds to the impacts of COVID-19 on the New Zealand economy. The Minister of Finance and I have met with the Prime Minister\u2019s Business Advisory Council, the tourism association, and Xero. This morning, I met with representatives of the fishing industry in Nelson, the largest fishing port in Australasia. There have also been talks with Retail New Zealand. It\u2019s clear from these discussions that a tailor-made response is required, and a one-size-fits-all response is not what is needed or recommended. That is why in addition to faster payment times by Government agencies, we are also working with Xero to get real-time information about the impacts on business; working with the banks to ensure they are being proactive with their customers; working with Inland Revenue, which is also entering into instalment arrangements and waiving penalties on a case by case basis; and investing an extra $4 million in the Regional Business Partner programme to help businesses on the ground.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a8cab3e3-b023-4ce7-9f4b-2c4137029057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f195659733024fb6959d1ccc391a5464\u0022\u003EKiritapu Allan\u003C/span\u003E: What other action has the Government taken to help small businesses be paid promptly?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecca5e174e3e4d6eb3052d24f6052834\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in the House last week, late payments from large organisations to smaller suppliers can be crippling for these businesses. I have announced that I am prepared to legislate if payment terms and payment times for small businesses do not improve. I\u2019ve asked affected groups to comment on the idea and look forward to hearing that feedback after public consultation closes next month. The discussion document seeks the public views on legislation that would require a maximum payment term of 20 days to ensure small businesses are reimbursed for their services more quickly and the right for small businesses to charge interest on overdue invoices and debt recovery fees for late payment. This Government remains focused on protecting jobs and supporting workers and businesses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022567efea507ba4f4581255167cf889fb2\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc5c4011b74846e3b1eca5e94ceabd16\u0022\u003EHon Kris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave to correct part of an answer to a supplementary I gave during oral questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022add34ff9217d465484ddbd9ace1c7d2c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Was there a supplementary question there?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226676e57de07c43db92f61791df2def16\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258351986fdca49c1bfeea13487c4c652\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Todd McClay, we\u2019ll have that and then we\u2019ll\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0f78f60-c2fd-46f4-8138-72f39692fc20\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228e232cbbd9548689e2252de230f7a37\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. To the Minister: will he support National\u2019s call to defer the 1 April minimum wage increase to help small businesses cope with the economic effects of the COVID-19 virus?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba6932d000614926b562ec8d293a8da7\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022953620dd8e4f40f9bc4966c9b08bd5d6\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7 to Minister\u2014Amended Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022a4afcdeb2df84379bf6e02cf9ccdcdb7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a4afcdeb2df84379bf6e02cf9ccdcdb7\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Associate Minister of Housing (Public Housing)):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to correct part of an answer that I gave to a supplementary question earlier in oral questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220fae6d2962104f6a894cd806b8718324\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that process? There is not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221038cbd4d9234ef2818333089b2c9990\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI\u003C/span\u003E: I attached a number to Budget 2018 during the flow of supplementaries. That number should read $234 million.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c892d3b43546497dae806eafc59989ab\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u00223d6d5360d5bd42cf88462dac68f4d5a7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223d6d5360d5bd42cf88462dac68f4d5a7\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (National):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave for my question to be held over to the next sitting day, with the proportionate number of supplementary questions allocated. This is due to the Minister\u2019s statement that the written answers she provided\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022fe29c062cbc24001a30ecd5009c150b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fe29c062cbc24001a30ecd5009c150b4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The rest of this is unnecessary. The question is that one National Party question from today be held over until tomorrow. The question of supplementaries is, in fact, a matter for my discretion, and I\u2019ve indicated my view on that. Is there any objection to that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5b6f6cf26224c549e01c5fefa048d92\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, absolutely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022665e0d846dfc46e592403b7798fa63ec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: There is objection. And I\u2019ll say to the Hon Shane Jones, as a result of that process, the National Party, instead of having four additional supplementaries tomorrow, will have eight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b01c7cc78b944b1ad22b356c8a88e66\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Can we ask the question now?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3b0db61de094f92978f706c8b5059b9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member can ask the question if she wants.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9881ff403d3453e88a3d5d83f62edd1\u0022\u003EHon Gerry Brownlee\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. Well, thank you for the generous allocation of extra questions. Could we use some of those now on this question today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bdf1aecdf4814288ae559a580975c4bb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re absolutely welcome to use as many of the eight that have been allocated today if the member so wishes. I\u2019ll just say to Mr Jones that he puts the House in a very bad position when one of his colleague Ministers indicates at the beginning of question time that the basis of a question is wrong, and places the Opposition in a bad place and the Government in a bad place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb0d72269cd14f698fe22bfd10fb24a4\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I do agree that the Opposition is disadvantaged in this particular case, because the information they relied on in lodging this question is not accurate, and in order for them to lodge a more accurate question\u2014because they won\u2019t necessarily want to ask this question; they\u2019ll want to ask, possibly, a different question\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022189edd2d5603444593b39c637d0b09c7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, with the leave I put, they can ask any question they want.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d393ff24a5d40dea8f9d88c1eb4ccf2\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right. I am therefore seeking leave for the Opposition to have an additional primary question allocated to them tomorrow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022473e7753b20246a7af6bc106676d5c39\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think I just put that, and we\u2019re not meant to put things twice, but, given the discussion, I think we can be a bit loose on the rules. Is there any objection to that? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229dca797ed7fa4fdd8a617495be0219f8\u0022\u003EAbortion Legislation Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d81a0ec8e2064e0f9fe313b07f6457d7\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u002291ea2f5a002b45b491c0868d648d53f1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002291ea2f5a002b45b491c0868d648d53f1\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I raise a point of order, Madam Chair. I seek leave for the question on the amendments contained in my Supplementary Order Paper 455 to be put at the end of the committee\u2019s consideration of the bill and, if agreed to, for the amendments to apply to the bill as amended.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b069a0ac91bd41aca801ad06f491d093\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b069a0ac91bd41aca801ad06f491d093\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: So did everyone hear that? I\u2019m aware that there\u2019s quite a lot of noise in the Chamber. So leave is sought to consider Jan Logie\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper at the end of the part. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b7a5dc94ad6e4d9e9c2b7eb24a88c46f\u0022\u003EPart 1  Amendments to Contraception, Sterilisation, and Abortion Act 1977\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00223f09162caf6a41619ddf00b9089f54c3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223f09162caf6a41619ddf00b9089f54c3\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I expect we\u2019re going to have a good, intense scrutiny of this bill this afternoon, so I want to just make some opening remarks. There are a number of Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs). I won\u2019t comment in detail on each of them, but I just wanted to make a number of opening points. First of all, the way the debate has been conducted over this bill so far has, I think, been constructive. I know that there are very strong views held and there are members of the House\u2014like many members of the public\u2014who are opposed in principle to the idea of abortions, but that is not what this bill is about. We have a legal framework in place in this country for women to get an abortion. Roughly 13,000 abortions are carried out in New Zealand today, and this bill is about changing that framework, and the objective of it is to make it safer for women\u2014to make it safer for women by enabling women to get access to an abortion earlier than is currently the case, because the average time in which women in New Zealand get an abortion is one of the longest in the OECD. So that is what that is about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt is clear that from some of the proposed amendments and the SOPs that some members are keen to see some further hurdles or obstacles put in the way when a woman is making the choice, and the process of making the choice to get an abortion, and dealing with her medical practitioner. Some of the Supplementary Order Papers set out, in very prescriptive detail, what medical practitioners might have to do, or should do, in the event that they are consulted by a woman seeking an abortion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI make the point in principle that it is not appropriate, in my view, for legislation to start prescribing to medical practitioners\u2014qualified medical practitioners\u2014how they should conduct themselves in an age when they not only have high-quality training but they are subject to professional standards in each of their professions, subject to the oversight of the Health and Disability Commissioner and the powers of investigation there, as well as the standards set by, usually, their employers\u2014whether it\u2019s DHBs, whether it\u2019s private clinics and private medical practices. So simply setting out a bunch of prescriptive requirements, in my view, is not helpful, and I certainly won\u2019t be supporting any that do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThere is a Supplementary Order Paper in the name of Agnes Loheni\u2014I think it\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper 460\u2014that sets out, effectively, three different tests, depending on the point during the pregnancy at which a woman seeks an abortion. The first is up to nine weeks, the second is between nine and 20 weeks, and the third is following 20 weeks. I say of that Supplementary Order Paper that it puts in place obstacles that do not exist today. Supplementary Order Paper 460 represents a massive leap backwards in terms of the ability of women in this country to get medical advice and support and help in relation to an abortion than is the case today. It restricts the administration of an abortion after nine weeks to what is described as a \u201Cspecialist medical practitioner\u201D. Those specialist medical practitioners are not widely available\u2014certainly in many rural areas around New Zealand\u2014and would impose significant burdens on women in many parts of the country. So I certainly won\u2019t be supporting that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI go to the Supplementary Order Paper 462 from Joanne Hayes in relation to determining when a woman has the capacity to give informed consent, and I simply make the point that that is already covered off in our legislation. I know that there is a Supplementary Order Paper in the name of Nicky Wagner that seeks a change of language. But, again, notwithstanding the language, it is a provision that is already catered for in the current legislation. I have been handed a further amendment in the name of Simon O\u2019Connor, which refers to \u201CCare of children born after abortion\u201D. So this refers to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220cd2325109e04cc29e47cf91e2345808\u0022\u003ESimon O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Have a read, and come back to me. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022edcf5e794f984910ba3e2ce3b5619cbd\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: I would like to see the science about a child being born after an abortion, so I\u2019ll put that aside for now and maybe comment on that a little later. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI think it is very important that when we are making our considerations about the content of this bill and the Supplementary Order Papers in relation to it, we do actually observe what the medicine and the science says. I say that particularly in relation to some of the Supplementary Order Papers that touch on the issue of what happens in the post - 20 week period, because when you look at the incidence of abortion at that point, which is a very, very, very small number, and you understand the background of women who seek an abortion at that point, these are wanted pregnancies. These are situations where women, because of their health and possibly sometimes the health of the fetus, are put in that impossible situation of having to make a very, very difficult decision, and adding further requirements and obstacles to that point, or even referring to the idea of a child being born after an abortion, shows a lack of understanding about the reality of women in New Zealand today who seek an abortion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWomen at post - 20 weeks seeking an abortion do not do so willingly. They do so with a great sense that their health is at risk, and it is an extraordinarily difficult time for those women. I do not think this House should make assumptions about women in that situation. That has the potential to look, at its most charitable, extraordinarily patronising, but actually, in reality, it is showing a total lack of understanding about the reality of that situation. I have great respect for my colleague the member Simon O\u2019Connor, but I think he is ill-informed in his amendment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI go to some of the other Supplementary Order Papers, and Supplementary Order Paper 469 from Chris Penk, which relates to the law related to conscientious objection. It is introducing an additional path for seeking damages in employment situations. That is already taken care of by existing law. If someone has been poorly treated and wrongly treated and unlawfully treated in their employment, there are ample paths to take. One is under the Human Rights Act, if it relates to discrimination, and the other is under the Employment Relations Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIf I turn to the\u2014and that may, in fact, be in Part 2, so I won\u2019t refer to those. I\u2019ve made some general comments about some of the Supplementary Order Papers, but depending on how the debate takes place, I will respond to specific points made about specific Supplementary Order Papers. But I emphasise the point that those SOPs that actually seek to add more prescription in circumstances where none can usefully be added because of existing guidelines, rules, regulations, and professional requirements in addition to the moral obligations and requirements of the medical health practitioners, I personally certainly won\u2019t be supporting those. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIn the end, this is a bill about dealing with a piece of legislation that is more than 40 years old and that is clearly outdated, and for which the time has arrived for it to be updated and to be modernised to allow women in the modern age to, with the help of their health professional, make what is always a difficult decision and to get access to the healthcare and support that they need when they make that decision. I would hope that this House has moved on from an age of the past dominated by the thinking of men that women need to be sort of mollycoddled and cared for and over-regulated and totally regulated. We live in an age now where women are capable of making decisions about themselves and their health, and our legislation should reflect that. Our abortion legislation should reflect that too, and that is the spirit with which we should consider the Supplementary Order Papers in relation to this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI go back to the point I made before. I know there are members here who simply do not like the idea of abortions at all. That debate was won and lost in 1977, when the then relevant Minister, Venn Young, shepherded through the 1977 legislation. It was accepted that it was a legitimate choice for women to make and to seek healthcare and advice. A framework was set up in 1977 to do that, and it is now time to bring that framework into the modern age, which is what this bill seeks to do. I look forward to the remaining debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff88602816d24f708ce0b06553e8e650\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff88602816d24f708ce0b06553e8e650\u0022\u003EAGNES LOHENI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019m speaking in the committee stage of the Abortion Legislation Bill, and I would just like to comment on some of Minister\u2019s remarks leading into this part. The Minister has said, with specific reference to the Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) in my name\u2014SOP 460\u2014that it is a massive leap backwards and that the challenges are administrative ones. I would say that this actually is a key part of the bill. This proposed new section 11 in clause 7, on post - 20 weeks, amends the critical part of the bill which makes this one of the most liberal abortion regimes ever. So before I get on to my SOP, I\u2019m just going to refer to some of the select committee parts to this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EAs you know, 25,000 submissions were made on this bill, with 91.6 percent opposed. There is overwhelming public interest in this bill. In particular, in terms of assessing the concerns of submitters on this bill, many\u2014and I would say that it would be in the frame of 60 to 70 percent of those opposed\u2014have concerns around the statutory tests of the bill. The comment was made that they thought it would lead to abortion on demand up to birth. So there is a general consensus that abortions after 20 weeks should be limited to extreme situations, and, actually, the Minister of Justice himself, Mr Andrew Little, has stated that late-term abortions are rare and should only be sought in extreme circumstances, but that is exactly the opposite of what this bill seeks to achieve. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EIn particular, I refer to new section 11 in clause 7 of this bill. New section 11 in this bill\u2014and it\u2019s stated in my minority view, as well. I gave an assessment of a better reflection of what I thought was coming through the submissions. In particular, one of the changes in new section 11 was to add the word \u201Cclinically\u201D to make it \u201Cclinically appropriate\u201D\u2014that a health practitioner must reasonably believe that abortion is clinically appropriate. That is very vague and ambiguous. It is not the same as medically necessary. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EFurther down in section 11, it says that \u201Ca qualified health practitioner \u2026 must consult at least 1 other qualified health practitioner:\u201D, and I\u2019ve spoken in the House about this part before. There is no definition of what that consultation must entail. Does the second doctor cite the medical records, or even have a consultation in person with the woman? There is no accountability or checks and balances on whether that consultation actually happens. The bill is silent on what happens if the second doctor does not agree with the first doctor. So, in effect, that part is meaningless and doesn\u2019t add anything into putting some real boundaries or accountability into the post - 20 week criteria. So, in essence, it is actually still one doctor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EOverseas jurisdictions: if we look across to Australia, the Northern Territory, Queensland, South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria, Western Australia\u2014all these Australian jurisdictions have a requirement for two qualified medical practitioners for later-stage abortions, after either 16 weeks, 20 weeks, or 24 weeks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003ENew section 11 also had an addition in subsection (2), which was to have regard to the gestational age of the fetus. This part is utterly meaningless and does not set any upper limits on when abortion can take place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve highlighted two key flaws in this section. The criteria is so broad and subjective that it is legally meaningless, and the tests in section 11 cannot be enforced in practice. There is no meaningful ability to review a medical practitioner\u2019s application of this test, which is why I say that section 11 is critical, and, categorically, I will stand, again, by my statement\u2014that is, abortion on demand up to birth. I oppose this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u0022684265ed8fa7471987dcb9d244011c9e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022684265ed8fa7471987dcb9d244011c9e\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Helensville):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019m grateful to the Minister of Justice for his opening remarks in relation to my conscientious objection Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 469. Regrettably, however, the key feature that the Minister missed in relation to the SOP is about the unreasonable disruption aspect of what is currently in the bill, and I\u2019ll return to that in some detail shortly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EBut, first, let me say that the concept of conscientious objection as contained and upheld in my Supplementary Order Paper is one that\u2019s long been recognised in New Zealand law and society. The word \u201Cconscience\u201D comes from a root word meaning knowledge\u2014indeed, the word \u201Cscience\u201D is within the word \u201Cconscience\u201D. So it is appropriate that those medical professionals who wish to exercise their conscience in this regard are indeed relying on science in upholding the fact that the separate life that is the unborn child is scientifically upheld by such features as unique DNA, the capacity for self-movement, and so forth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe key aspect of this, as I say, is around the unreasonable disruption that currently would be able to be used as a basis for precluding the exercise of conscience. I would like it to be noted for the record that the SOP that I have prepared on this matter is very much based upon that that a majority of this House passed in the End of Life Choice Bill\u2014almost to the word, in fact, in a lot of different parts of it. So it is my hope that with a relatively modest proposal in relation to protecting conscience, the House and its committee that\u2019s now considering this provision of the bill will look favourably upon it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI would like to speak briefly to the mechanics of what it is that I\u2019m proposing and then go into some of the situations in which an exercise of conscience should be upheld in a way that is not currently the case. I\u2019m proposing, in what will be new section 19 of the relevant Act, in clause 7, \u201C(2) A is not under any obligation to provide \u2026 [a] service requested if [that person] A objects on the grounds of conscience\u201D. I\u2019ve omitted some words, but I don\u2019t believe I misrepresented the context. That person A is someone who\u2019s carrying out a wide range of activities, which could include contraception services, sterilisation, abortion, or information or advisory services in relation to the continuation or not of a pregnancy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe effect of the conscientious objection would not be to unduly delay the performance of the services being sought by the woman in question, because I\u2019ve specifically said that the referral, effectively, would need to take place at the earliest opportunity, and the nature of the referral that would be required would be that person A must tell B\u2014essentially, the woman seeking the abortion\u2014that they can attain the services from another health practitioner. So I believe that\u2019s pretty reasonable in balancing the different rights and responsibilities involved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe unreasonable disruption provision within the bill as it currently stands is such that a person who is working in a medical field\u2014and I use that term deliberately broadly\u2014including a nurse at a public hospital, might be considered to be unreasonably disrupting the activities in a way that the employer considers unreasonable but which they\u2014the person concerned herself or himself\u2014does not consider unreasonable. It is a very vague definition and, as such, is not suited to the irreducibility of freedom of conscience in such a controversial area as this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to address the argument that I anticipate would be made against the existence of a right of conscientious objection in relation to abortion, and it goes something along the following lines. They will say that a person should not seek employment where things will be done of which they disapprove. So we might give the example of a vegan who applies for a job at a butcher\u2019s shop. Well, with all due respect, the hospital is not the same as a butchery\u2014or, at least, should not be\u2014and that\u2019s because other activities that I would class as genuine healthcare also happen in hospitals. So it\u2019s entirely reasonable for a person to seek employment in a hospital, a public hospital, that performs health activities that a person has trained for and is happily carrying out without needing to be forced into a regime with which they are not comfortable and, indeed, which they are against\u2014which they are deeply opposed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI use the case of the public hospital deliberately. My chief correspondent in relation to this, who\u2019s inspired me to put forward this proposed SOP amendment, is a female nurse. I shouldn\u2019t need to point out that she\u2019s a female, but it somehow seems relevant in the context of the Minister\u2019s opening statement. She too has rights, and these rights, too, should be protected. In her case, these are to go about the work that she\u2019s trained for, that she performs very happily to the benefit of New Zealand society in the particular area that she serves, without being discriminated against in this way. For the purpose of the debate, I\u2019ll call her nurse Marcella\u2014not her real name, but she did not want me to use that, and for that I can hardly blame her.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo I think there\u2019s probably little more that I need to say in relation to the conscientious objection SOP. Obviously, I\u2019d be happy with any interaction that other members of the committee of the whole House or the Minister himself would provide in relation to that, but I\u2019d urge very serious consideration of that. It is a fundamental right, I believe, of New Zealanders that should not be undermined\u2014that they have the right of conscientious objection, at least to the point of being required to refer on for other services. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EIn my remaining time on this call, I\u2019d like to touch on a couple of other SOPs, not to steal the thunder of colleagues, but suffice to say that a number of them I\u2019ll be watching closely because I think they make very sensible suggestions to improve the bill as it currently stands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI did want to comment, though, on the SOP in the name of Jan Logie. I refer to SOP 326, which is one of the three that she\u2019s put forward. This is the one\u2014for those not having to hand immediately SOP 326\u2014and I\u2019ll quote from the end part of the explanatory note, because I think it actually summarises the issues involved very clearly indeed: \u201CThis amendment would also clarify that the offence of killing an unborn child applies only to death to an unborn child caused by an assault on the pregnant person, differentiating this from assault from an abortion sought by a pregnant person.\u201D So that\u2019s as stated in the SOP itself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI think this is what the Americans call saying the quiet part out loud. Here we have, in black and white, an acknowledgment that the type of assault\u2014bearing in mind that, as acknowledged by the SOP writer herself, we\u2019re talking about a particular form of assault being allowed and another form of assault not being allowed. It seems to me extraordinary that the rights of the entity variously referred to as the unborn child\u2014as it is currently in the Crimes Act\u2014or a fetus, if one prefers, can be dependent on the intent of the violence that\u2019s perpetrated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s vaguely reminiscent of the classic line from President Richard Nixon along the lines that if the president does it, it means it\u2019s not illegal, which is to say that the person carrying out an act against another is somehow significant to the commission of the offence. While there might be legal situations in which it\u2019s possible that that\u2019s the case, in the case of an unborn child it seems to me extraordinary that we could be even contemplating as a Parliament saying that if there is a deliberate act sanctioned by the law\u2014by which I mean sanctioned in the sense of permitted\u2014it would be OK to cause the death of an unborn child but in other situations that will not remain so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThat brings to the end my remarks on that particular SOP. Again, just to reiterate, I\u2019d be grateful for colleagues to very seriously consider my points in relation to conscientious objection. Others have made other points in relation to conscientious objection. I note that Dr Deborah Russell is proposing a regime whereby some health providers would need to state their position in relation to abortion but others would not. That seems to me unbalanced and therefore unfair. I think that all health providers should be treated in the same way\u2014namely that as the law would currently allow by default, an organisation would have to merely provide services in accordance with the law, accepting that conscientious objection should apply to individuals who want to exercise that within those organisations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad12876aa73740a6859d9f58359e08da\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad12876aa73740a6859d9f58359e08da\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Chair. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. I\u2019d like to speak to three Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs): 471, which is in my name, and also 472 and 476 in the name of the Hon Ruth Dyson. I speak to these SOPs from a place of being responsive to Lisa Lawrence, who\u2019s the president of the National Council of Women; also Terry Bellamak and Dame Margaret Sparrow, who, obviously, are champions for the Abortion Law Reform Association of New Zealand (ALRANZ). \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EThe context of these three SOPs are that, essentially, we want to guarantee, to women who are raped, access to emergency contraception. From our perspective, women in those circumstances, who have been sexually violated\u2014the proposition is that it is not only an unplanned pregnancy, but it\u2019s also an unwanted pregnancy. I think people would be shocked to know that women who have been raped have gone to health practitioners and asked for emergency contraception and not received it. So that\u2019s the reality of bringing these three specific SOPs to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo the rationale is when a woman has been a victim of violence, a victim of sexual violation, of rape, that, actually, access to emergency contraception within that context should not only be guaranteed by the State but it also should be guaranteed by whatever medical practitioner that person discloses to. Herein, I guess, is the most controversial aspect of my Supplementary Order Paper, because, in fact, I do want to take away a conscientious objection for a health practitioner that has a person disclose rape. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ENow, the reality of rape in New Zealand\u2014we don\u2019t actually know the comprehensive numbers, but based on sexual violation offences, there\u2019s about 3,500 a year. Some people estimate that\u2019s only 10 percent of the number of rapes that occur in New Zealand. So if a woman does go to the police and discloses sexual violation, my SOP will compel the police to have a relationship with a health practitioner that they can refer that person to, to ensure that they receive emergency contraception. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI guess the context of the definition of \u201Cemergency\u201D contraception is really important, from a Medical Council perspective, about what a medical emergency is. I quote: \u201Ca sudden, unforeseen injury, illness or complication, demanding immediate or early professional care to save life or prevent gross disability, pain or distress. The immediate responsibility of the doctor faced with, or called to an emergency is to apply his knowledge\u201D\u2014the language in the particular document\u2014\u201Cand skill to the saving of life and relief of suffering and to establish the most favourable conditions for his patient\u2019s ultimate recovery. This is the basic philosophy of medicine\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo I am clear that my SOP is controversial, because I\u2019m saying to medical practitioners, in that circumstance, you don\u2019t have a choice. There is a time limitation in terms of the efficacy of the two modes of emergency contraception. The first is oral contraception that, if you take within 12 hours, can almost guarantee the woman will not get pregnant, and up to 72 hours, that form of contraception may work. After 72 hours, the most effective form to ensure a woman does not get pregnant after she\u2019s been sexually violated is an intrauterine device. So I\u2019m asking the House to consider whether in that context we should actually suspend the right of individual practitioners. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ENow, my colleague the Hon Ruth Dyson is not focusing on the individual practitioner. Her solution, actually, is to have a responsive health system and for the Minister of Health, through the mechanisms that he has, to actually guarantee access to emergency contraception. The Minister of Health, through the Crown Funding Agreement, can ensure that a provider is available\u2014not an individual practitioner, but a provider\u2014to ensure that women in those circumstances receive the emergency contraception that I would hope she is entitled to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo those are the different, I guess, strategies to achieving an objective that has been highlighted by the National Council of Women, by ALRANZ, but by other women around the country who, as victims of sexual violence, deserve us\u2014[Bell rung]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00227c2b698c869f4811bf09e025323d99a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227c2b698c869f4811bf09e025323d99a8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I rang that a second too early. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u002277f2d1abab2a4bcca814eade381b9a00\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002277f2d1abab2a4bcca814eade381b9a00\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I rise to speak primarily to the Supplementary Order Paper in my name that is looking, in effect, to implement option A from the Law Commission\u2019s report and to remove the 20-week threshold. This, I\u2019m very aware, sits in direct contrast to the debate on those who are opposing this legislation, so I welcome this opportunity to talk to some of the reasons and counter some of the concerns that I believe misrepresent the potential impact of this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo removing the threshold\u2014there\u2019s a perception that\u2019s put out there that that will increase the number of abortions that happen post - 20 weeks. We have absolutely no evidence for that in any country that has done this. In fact, we have evidence to the contrary to that. Also, I do want to just say that it\u2019s currently possible to have an abortion after 20 weeks right now, under our current legislative framework. This is just changing the criteria to enable it to be more\u2014and I would say our proposition is to remove the criteria altogether to enable it to be a decision between the medical practitioner and the pregnant woman, the pregnant person, and her family, if they are involved. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe number of cases where this happens, it\u2019s incredibly rare. It\u2019s 0.75 percent, I think, of all abortions that happen at that stage, and almost all of them\u2014and the evidence that we heard on the select committee was from people who\u2019d been through it and supported others who had\u2014where they were wanted pregnancies. They had the crib set up in their room. They had planned their future as parents. Making people go through additional hoops and feeling as if the decision is being made by this place and the law rather than, actually, the urgency and their medical need and their health needs and their own morals, to me, is just wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI would say that we heard from the Cavanaghs, and they presented evidence from other people that they support. To give one example, Madison and her family chose peace after spending their life savings on IVF, and they chose an abortion at 24 weeks. Their baby had a rare disorder causing catastrophic brain malformations. That\u2019s not a decision for this place, and when people raise the question of there not being any upper limit in this legislation, you are potentially preventing these people being able to save their own lives or make a decision to prevent developmental harm as a pregnancy continues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t believe that is an ethical decision that can be made on a blanket basis in this House. I believe, and the Green Party believes with me, that that is a decision that can only be held with the pregnant person and their medical practitioner, with the best evidence possible. I would also say that the Law Commission, in their review of this, found that this option was the option that was most supported by health practitioners, and that this is the option that best fits with international human rights legislation. This is not a kind of a \u201Cway out\u201D option. It\u2019s not frivolous. It\u2019s not going to result in increased or frivolous terminations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EPeople are not frivolous. These are difficult, difficult decisions, and I believe that it is the job of this House to act compassionately to support those decisions to be made as carefully and appropriately as possible. And that is between a doctor\u2014or doctors, as is almost always the case\u2014and the people most directly impacted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022c6463633a7994f349eaec04410e14b90\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c6463633a7994f349eaec04410e14b90\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to, first of all, preface my statement in my speech\u2014I\u2019m hoping to speak throughout the debate in the committee stage\u2014that from my side, and I know a number of us, we love them both: both the choices of the mother and also the choices of the child. And I want to state that out front, because there are many of those who would try to draw a line between pro-life and pro-choice when, in actual fact, we support both. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe Minister of Justice started off his statements by saying making abortions safer for the woman is the intent of this bill. I want to quote from the report that came from the Attorney-General, and it\u2019s from paragraph No. 23, where he states this: \u201CIn considering limits on abortion access, I conclude there are two equally important interests at play: personal bodily autonomy, on the one hand, and a broad societal interest in the preservation of human life, on the other. \u2026 The broad societal interest in preserving human life is therefore a sufficiently important objective to justify a limitation on human rights, and limiting access of abortion is a rational way of achieving that objective.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThis issue is about two parts, not just one. And my Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) actually describes that. I want to quote further from the quote from the High Court in their submission, where it states this: \u201CCurrently our abortion law seeks to balance these competing interests by requiring each prospective abortion to qualify under statutory criteria and by making lawful abortion subject to criminal provisions.\u201D And here\u2019s the point, I think, that\u2019s important, that goes to the heart of some of my SOPs. The High Court states this: \u201Cthe legislature has recognised, through the abortion law, that the unborn child has a claim on the conscience of the community. We therefore consider it both unprincipled and inconsistent with the aspects of our current law to entirely disregard the interests of an unborn child, as this Bill proposes.\u201D There are both interests, there are two interests here, and I would like to speak to that in my SOP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EMy first SOP is SOP 470 and this is in regards to section 40, set out in new clause 16A, about \u201C(Commissioner may investigate breaches)\u201D. This Supplementary Order Paper in my name amends the Abortion Legislation Bill by inserting new clauses 16A and 16B, which give the Health and Disability Commissioner a mandate to investigate contraventions of the regulations that govern the provision of abortion services under the Contraception, Sterilisation, and Abortion Act of 1977 and the Crimes Act of 1961. This ensures that health practitioners are held to account in relation to the duties under this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230ea2baa7122459196757d2e8ced2775\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry to interrupt the member\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df60149afdd0482a82af74cfaf936a51\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: This is SOP 470.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bee09a20335547ef897ebf0bdb036e1e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right, but aren\u2019t you in the wrong part? Isn\u2019t that in Part 2? New clauses 16A and 16B\u2014isn\u2019t that in Part 2?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a37cbd0ef0ae4beb8aa95f09f7267963\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, yes it is. Sorry, Madam Chair. I can speak to another part of my SOP. I\u2019ll introduce another SOP then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4c24c0a8ce94a0d8dd89b5fe805f046\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: You have another SOP in Part 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022537ef53a6e004b85883ed14aa7079829\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: OK, yes, so I\u2019ve got two SOPs that I\u2019d like to\u2014but what I\u2019ll do is I will actually speak to, along with the SOP in my colleague\u2019s name: SOP 459 in the name of Melissa Lee. And this is in regards to clause 12 and section 183 and section 184, \u201CAbortion provided when sought on grounds of discrimination\u201D. And in particular in this SOP, clause 184(1), it states: \u201CA person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a term of imprisonment not exceeding 7 years if the person provides abortion services to a woman, having a reasonable belief that the abortion services are being sought on the grounds of\u2014\u201D and I move to clause (b) of this SOP\u2014\u201Cany disability or possible disability of the unborn child (except as provided for in subsection (2))\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248a79950e335464b98d3e9c0d1fe27a7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry but you\u2019re still in Part 2. So clause 12 is in Part 2 of the bill. I\u2019ll give you a third try. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a7086ddc6a945ffa453b275df2f2789\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: Give me a third try\u2014oh, third time lucky.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205b4fe487371468da7ec27e53fc7ff63\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: If you talk to your first amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228aa3435ec18845d18c3746f2fa00799d\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: OK, clause 7\u2014how does that go?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fca92685902c43e09f22c79aeaf9d17c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s good. That\u2019s excellent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abe4df382f754cbab8a64c6a2131c2eb\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: I was carried away; I hope I can seek your indulgence for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227f0c5a982f34a6da61cb6fb534727c9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I can tell that. I will give you another go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d74bc03eb144e74a19ab702371d7072\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: If I could speak on SOP 466, which I think is a great\u2014this is in regards to [Bell rung] Thank you, Madam Chair\u2014OK, third time lucky. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThis is SOP 466 in my name and this is, in particular, around cultural considerations. This SOP amends clause 7 of the Abortion Legislation Bill inserting a new section 18 to require that persons in organisations with duties or responsibilities under the bill recognise the cultural considerations relevant to the woman requesting abortion services \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThere\u2019ve been a number of submissions that have been submitted, out of the 25,000, that talked about the importance of these considerations. And in particular, I want to read from a couple of those submissions, and I want to refer to the submission that was made in regards to the issues for M\u0101ori in particular and why these considerations are critically important. In this regard, even under the Health and Disability Commissioner, cultural competencies are critically important to considering those issues and those needs that are prominent for a number of different woman and, in this case, who may have cultural considerations that are critically important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI want to refer to the submission from Te Oko Hou, which is a voluntary tribal collective of Hunga Whakapono M\u0101ori from many tribal networks and territories throughout New Zealand. Their submission was quite clearly in opposition to the Abortion Legislation Bill, but was based on a number of cultural considerations that I think are critically important in this regards. First of all, they talk about\u2014\u201CTe Oko Hou claims the unborn child as a taonga under article two of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and believes this deserves recognition and protection [under] the Crown.\u201D So the whole essence of cultural considerations is that we ensure\u2014and we have this throughout different types of health legislation\u2014that we provide an understanding of the importance of the roles of both language, of culture, and particularly of wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B in this particular case as stated here from the submission that was put forward in that regard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThey also go on to state, \u201CWe stand as a community on behalf of the traditional M\u0101ori status of the unborn child, to be confirmed as a \u2018taonga\u2019 as recognised under article two of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, just as the common notion of tamariki today being a taonga. Both our unborn children and our tamariki deserve protection through societal laws designed to preserve life.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIn their submission they are really clear. They felt that cultural consideration\u2014those who\u2019ve got competent services and also skillsets are critically important to the roles that they could play. We have this provision already in our health services, and we feel that this consideration as an amendment under SOP 466 will be critically important. As set out in new section 18(1) in SOP 466, \u201CAny person or organisation accorded a duty or responsibility under this Act must perform those duties or responsibilities in a manner that recognises, in relation to one requesting abortion services,\u2014(a) the woman\u2019s ethnic background:\u201D\u2014in this case, I\u2019ve given just some quotes from some of those submissions and many others that talked about, in particular, M\u0101ori and Pasifika in this case\u2014\u201C(b) the societal attitudes or customs of the woman and others within the woman\u2019s community, including proper recognition of\u2014\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EIn a number of the submissions that were put forward, many incidences were given of woman giving, I suppose, the trauma and the tragedy that they felt after having an abortion and the lack of support services that were there for them. We believe that having cultural consideration, those who are skilled can not only provide that service but ensure that they ask a line of inquiry: have they considered the support of the wh\u0101nau, of the hap\u016B, and even the iwi that may be available there as well?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EAlso too, in cultural considerations, \u201C(ii) the contribution those ties make to the woman\u2019s wellbeing: (iii) the woman\u2019s cultural and ethnic identity, language, and religious or ethical beliefs:\u201D and \u201C(c) the woman\u2019s spiritual beliefs, which may include a lack of spiritual beliefs.\u201D in this case. But more importantly, it\u2019s having those who are skilled enough to be able to provide that service, in particular, that we think is critically important. \u201C(2) A provider of abortion services must ensure that the services of a competent interpreter\u201D\u2014we know that we are not only just talking about women in this case, but many of the women that may come forward may have different language issues, and interpretation becomes critically important. We currently have those services available as a consideration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo I believe that this SOP is important. I hope that both the Minister and other members will consider that this would be, to me and to my mind and to others who have submitted, an important consideration to ensure that we have those who have both the skillset and the ability to provide that particular service in regards to cultural considerations. I submit this SOP to the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022 data-id=\u0022298edef80846484ab810c34deee72927\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022298edef80846484ab810c34deee72927\u0022\u003EJOANNE HAYES (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, and I am pleased to take a call on this part of the Abortion Legislation Bill in the committee of the whole House. I stand in support of the provision of abortion services to women who are not competent to make an informed choice and give informed consent. This bill does not\u2014does not\u2014offer these services to those women. These women do not have a voice. What this bill does is it treats all women as though they are all competent, and those that are not do not have a right here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EI am looking at clause 7\u2014after section 11, the insertion of 11A. What this Supplementary Order Paper on the new section 11A proposes is the provision of abortion services to a woman who is not competent to make an informed choice and give informed consent. We want to be able to protect them and give them those choices. The vulnerability of women who lack capacity to consent was highlighted in a recent English court that found that it was in the best interests of a 24-year-old woman with a learning disability to compel her to have an abortion that she did not want. While this decision was overturned on appeal, it highlights the necessity for robust safeguards to protect these vulnerable women, and that\u2019s who they are. There is currently danger of women being coerced and abused by virtue of their age or their intellectual capacity to have an abortion against their will.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe Human Rights Commission submission to the select committee stated that \u201CThe Code of Rights presumes every person to be competent to give informed consent unless reasonable grounds for believing otherwise. Where a person is not competent to give informed consent, a legal guardian or person holding an enduring power of attorney may consent on their behalf. Where there is no one available to consent on the consumer\u2019s behalf, a health practitioner is guided to consult a suitably experienced colleague before proceeding.\u201D While the Code of Rights may stipulate this, the bill contains no guidelines whatsoever related to the processes to be followed in the case of an inability to consent, and that is a real risk for vulnerable women. This amendment will ensure past and present views are fully taken into account and are facilitated as much as possible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EThe new section 11A starts out through the \u201CProvision of abortion services to woman who is not competent to make an informed choice and give informed consent (1) Prior to providing abortion services to a woman, the qualified health practitioner must determine whether the woman has capacity to\u2014(a) make an informed choice; and (b) to provide informed consent to abortion services.\u201D And this will take a test. It will take a test and, if it is found that the woman is incapable of making that decision, there needs to be some form of support for her, because she becomes so vulnerable. So my insertion of new section 11A protects vulnerable women. I think it actually adds to this bill. It makes it more robust and more protective of those women that have capacity issues, and I believe that there needs to be a legal guardian of the woman or somebody that is able to communicate with her to explain to her what has been put on around abortion services and allow her to make that informed consent without being bullied or coerced into that decision \u201Cby the court or an agent \u2026 following an application for the exercise of the court\u2019s jurisdiction under the relevant provisions of\u2014(i) the Care of Children Acts 2004: (ii) the Protection of Personal Property Rights Act 1988: (iii) and other relevant statute.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022758dcaf3-9976-43ac-8593-79f66ee4da22\u0022\u003EWe must look after these women who have capacity issues. We do not want to see them bullied. I believe that the insertion of new section 11A, in clause 7, does make this bill a better bill and more protective of those women who have competency issues. I don\u2019t support the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u002218af5b5c96a343f3af28d3bb5dcc66f1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002218af5b5c96a343f3af28d3bb5dcc66f1\u0022\u003EMARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I am going to speak primarily to my Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) in my name\u2014the Abortion Legislation Bill proposed amendment 474\u2014which is in Part 1; it is clause 5. This amendment is, essentially, about the right to safely access health services, and my amendment outlines that protecting this right can happen in a way that does not contravene other freedoms. I see this amendment as a way of living our values\u2014living Green values\u2014of respectful engagement and allowing people to also access a health service with dignity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EIf we go to the amendment that I am proposing, primarily it wants to improve the current provisions around establishing a safe area. There are three main ways that I want to improve the current proposals. The first one: I am proposing that it is the Director-General of Health who may establish a safe area instead of the Minister. This is part of streamlining a process for service providers to be able to establish a health area. This is also ensuring an independent decision maker is the way to establish the safe area rather than a ministerial or political appointment making the decision around establishing a safe area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EMy SOP maintains the high threshold for the establishment of safe areas. The high threshold is, for example, where it says that the director-general needs to be \u201Csatisfied that the establishment of a safe area\u2014(a) is necessary to protect the safety and wellbeing, and respect the privacy and dignity, of persons\u2014(i) accessing abortion services:\u201D\u2014and it continues on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EMy proposal also wants to give a clearer definition of restricted activities, such as restricting displaying signage with images or messages about abortion services or broadcasting or otherwise communicating such messages about abortion. The provisions as they stand are not clear, do not give a clear definition, and so my SOP goes a fair way to giving a little bit more certainty and definition for these safe areas to be established in the first place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThe third way that my SOP wants to improve the law, in the current proposals, is to actually provide that a breach of a safe area restriction is an infringement offence with a $500 fee as opposed to the $1,000 fee that is currently being proposed. This is because we do not want to criminalise protesting. We understand that the right to protest and the freedom of expression is a dearly held value across a society that affirms human rights, and indeed our bill of rights framework. For this reason, my proposal is wanting to reduce the fee but also do away with the power in the current provisions which enables a constable to arrest and take a person into custody without a warrant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EAgain, we do not want to criminalise protest and valid freedom of expression behaviour. We do want to find a clearer and more defined way to set up necessary safe areas. We need safe areas to allow any person wanting to access health services the right to access them with safety and with dignity. So we do see an important need for being able to set up safe areas. We want those safe areas to be established in a way that is far more streamlined for the providers and in a way that doesn\u2019t involve a political appointment and instead has an independent decision maker. I think I will leave it there for now. That is the SOP that I wish to submit to the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u00222b65df03cabc481aade5cf612b61958f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222b65df03cabc481aade5cf612b61958f\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Chair. Look, it won\u2019t be any surprise to the committee that I oppose this bill. I think one of the things I\u2019ve noticed in initial contributions is the assiduous avoidance of the fact that we\u2019re talking about an unborn child, and when we try to reconcile that with discussions here around human rights, it\u2019s the inescapable fact that what is gestating is a human child. I have yet to see any scientific evidence of a woman giving birth to anything other than a human child.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EFundamentally, I suppose the challenge I put to colleagues as they consider Supplementary Order Papers is to consider what they\u2019re asking for post-utero\u2014outside the womb. It\u2019s been put to us, I think by a Green contribution much earlier, around children with deformities, and so forth. And while one can, I suppose, begin to appreciate the argument, the absurdity, if not the horror, of it, of what happens post - nine months\u2014the idea that a child completely dependent on their parents or their mother, for a singular argument, could be dispatched, for want of a better word, simply because of their medical condition. Our lack of hope or compassion is, as I say, horrifying. So I suppose it\u2019s just a simple thought experiment: if one accepts it\u2019s a human being\u2014and it\u2019s hard to understand scientifically how one couldn\u2019t\u2014then human rights must apply. That has to be noted right from the start.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThe other is in response to the initial Minister\u2019s comment, and it is unfortunately coming from some members in the House who are, effectively, arguing with themselves. Again, a Green Party contribution earlier about how people feel around abortion and suggesting that others in this House see those decisions as frivolous\u2014again, that\u2019s argument with oneself. I don\u2019t think anyone believes the decision to abort is frivolous, or easily taken, or one without emotion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e8e240bbec9447fabc816e300ba369f\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: Why don\u2019t you trust people?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227114acb0a1b4e0fb169e28977d71218\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not the point. The simple thing in human life is that we don\u2019t decide whether something is morally or ethically right based on emotion. If it were, we\u2019d be in a very, very strange place. I suppose, to basically illustrate it to that member, it doesn\u2019t matter how compassionate, upset, worried a person is about whatever the subject is, it doesn\u2019t make something right or wrong. And just to really point it out, for post - 20 weeks, there is, in effect, absolutely no medical reason for either mother or baby that an abortion has to happen. Put it again in a very different way\u2014the baby can be birthed and it has no medical consequences at all. We are now talking a very deliberate decision\u2014a very deliberate decision\u2014post - 20 weeks to end that child\u2019s life. And again, it doesn\u2019t take away from the fraughtness of the decision, but I stand here very clearly to point out that the emotion of the decision has very little impact on whether the decision is right or wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s also been the suggestion from the Minister in the chair, the Hon Andrew Little, that there are people who disagree here in principle and therefore are blocking the bill\u2014well, of course that\u2019s what\u2019s happening. I do disagree with abortion in principle, and therefore I will oppose this bill. I mean, heavens, if we were going to apply this to other topics, would we have said this to William Wilberforce when he was opposing slavery and changes? \u201COh no, no, Mr Wilberforce, you can\u2019t oppose this bill on slavery, because the Parliament already decided it\u2019s OK.\u201D You know, train drivers in the 1930s and 1940s taking whole groups of people to terrible places\u2014\u201CWell, I\u2019m sorry, you can\u2019t disagree; we\u2019ve already passed some laws saying that taking people to a concentration camp is OK.\u201D I mean, it\u2019s an absolutely absurd argument. So no offence to the Minister\u2014I have respect for him\u2014but if people are going to try and bring rational arguments here that take me for more than a J-1 level of understanding, then bring it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESecondly, this whole notion of that distrust\u2014distrust, OK. This whole Parliament, I\u2019ve pointed out before, exists on the absolute premise that we do not trust people\u2014men, women, anything else. Our entire job is making laws because we don\u2019t trust people. And if you want me to illustrate the point really simply to those who are saying \u201CJust trust women with this decision.\u201D, well, why should the police ever prosecute a woman for driving in any other way than she chooses right? Just think about it\u2014just think about it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EAnd then we had the question around doctors. We should have no structures around what doctors do. I just want to point out to the Minister in the chair, the Hon Andrew Little, that one of his colleagues has a bill in the ballot around therapy and conversions that will be limiting what doctors do\u2014and I\u2019m not trying to get into that debate itself. What I\u2019m pointing out is that arguing that doctors should just be allowed to do what they want to do is contradicted by one of his own members. And then, on top of that, we\u2019ve got the wider discussions around the whole conscientious\u2014[Time expired]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u00226cb518dea2b94aa783f726e798abf7b8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226cb518dea2b94aa783f726e798abf7b8\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. There\u2019s just a few points in response to that speaker that I\u2019d like to raise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI guess in my previous contribution and previously, I do feel an emotional connection to the experience of people that have gone through this. And that certainly does inform my position on this bill, which is that I hold compassion for their experience and I want us to have a law that enables them to be able to make the right decisions for themselves without stigmatisation or interference from this place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EBut it is also rational. And I would point to the fact that there was quite a strong statement\u2014and I wish I\u2019d got it down to be able to repeat it back\u2014about the position of wanting to remove the 20 weeks not being consistent with any human rights perspective, where, actually, that is not the case. In the Law Commission\u2019s report, I point the previous contributor to page 79, where they note\u2014and in chapter 3 additionally\u2014that \u201Cinternational human rights law supports the removal of third party authorisation requirements and other statutory restrictions on abortion.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI thank the member for also stating clearly his opposition to abortion\u2014and I absolutely support people\u2019s right to that view, and to express that view, and for that to be represented in this House. That is appropriate; there is not consensus in this country on abortion. However, one in four women are likely to have had an abortion in this country. We are not going to stop that. The numbers are decreasing because, actually, it\u2019s about good medical practice and good relationships and access to contraception, and we are supporting more of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EBut I would also make the point that the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court recognises forced pregnancy as a crime against humanity. The fact that the human rights agencies around the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women has been calling on this country through several reports now\u2014three, I think\u2014to decriminalise abortion in this country and to support appropriate decision-making in relation to abortion\u2014and this is in consideration of ethics, of law, and of international comparisons, as well as human rights. There were, I think, quite a few submitters who pointed out some language in the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child as evidence against this piece of legislation, but did not look to the understanding of that language and the consensus understanding across different nations that\u2014while it talks to the right to life\u2014there is an understanding of the rights and sexual and reproductive health rights of women and that that does not stand against countries decriminalising abortion in any way. So while I do absolutely hold to this on an emotional level and see the importance of this House acting with compassion to the forefront, there is very strong logic supported by health practitioners that lies behind this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAnd when I hear the previous speaker say that there is no medical reason ever for a post - 20 weeks termination, I do just want to point out that that will result in the death of a significant number of women\u2014if his world view was put into legislation. And not just through taking their own lives, which we know happens when we suppress access to good abortion care, but also through removing the ability of doctors to save women\u2019s lives, which was partly the case for the Cavanaghs, as mentioned earlier. That is a consequence I really suspect very few people in this House would have any support for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022 data-id=\u00222ef96a4605044bbd988fc64cbe7f7cfd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222ef96a4605044bbd988fc64cbe7f7cfd\u0022\u003EHon NICKY WAGNER (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Chair. And thank you for the opportunity to give my contribution on this Abortion Legislation Bill. I would like to speak to Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 468, which is in my name. This SOP provides for a new clause, 6AA, and this clause would be inserted after clause 6 on page 5, after line 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EWhat it will do is replace the heading that now exists, which is \u201CAdministering of contraceptives to mentally subnormal females\u201D. The new clause would read: \u201CAdministration of contraceptives to persons without capacity to make or communicate decisions\u201D. This is really a technical amendment. It is designed to modernise the language of the Act and to remove the term \u201Csubnormal females\u201D. This term is offensive in the 21st century, and I think it\u2019s offensive to all of us in this House as a description of someone with an intellectual disability.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EThere is absolutely no change to the intent of this bill with this SOP. The description of the term \u201Cnot to have the capacity to consent\u201D is aligned with the provisions, the terms, and clinical tests within the Protection of Personal and Property Rights Act 1988 and the Care of Children Act 2004. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EFinally, the SOP also clarifies that a parent or a guardian, including a welfare guardian, with a clinician may consent to the administration of contraceptives, but emphasises also that any decision must be made consistently with the promotion and protection of the welfare of that person. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002292824476-4e66-4052-8435-b049833d8b83\u0022\u003EI urge members in this House to support SOP 468 in my name. It is solely focused on language, it is not a policy change, and I believe that we all agree that describing a disabled person as subnormal has no place in the 21st century and certainly no place in legislation promoted by this House. Thank you, Mr Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022 data-id=\u0022b09934a1c7bb47ee879e446c5cc459e6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b09934a1c7bb47ee879e446c5cc459e6\u0022\u003EDr PARMJEET PARMAR (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I would like to take this opportunity to speak to my Supplementary Order Paper 475. This Supplementary Order Paper is to address one specific concern that I have about this legislation. I thought hard about this issue before putting this Supplementary Order Paper forward, because I don\u2019t want to see any kind of ethnic profiling happening to address this issue that I am going to talk about, and I don\u2019t want to see any kind of punitive measures put in place for ethnic communities. As parliamentarians, it\u2019s our job to ensure that the legislation works for all communities and not leave it to the communities to ensure that the legislation works for them. So this is our opportunity in the committee of the whole House to address the specific concern that I have\u2014that is, of sex-selective abortions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThis is a reality in the world. Yes, sex-selective abortions happen and in some communities they happen more than in others. I want to acknowledge overseas Governments. They have taken all possible measures to ensure that it doesn\u2019t happen, but it is the mind-set that will take a while to change. So the changes I am proposing here, through my Supplementary Order Paper, can be put into two groups. The first group is about reducing the 20 weeks\u2019 time that is allowed in this legislation for open access to abortion up to 12 weeks, and this is in clause 7, inserting new sections 10 and 11. I\u2019m proposing that 20 weeks be amended to 12 weeks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EWhy? Because when a person is pregnant, of course they have to go through several medical tests, but at week 18 we know that around that time women undergo an ultrasound scan. That is an important part of medical testing to ensure the wellbeing of the fetus, but at that time very easily the gender of the fetus can also be found out and that is actually a normal process in the whole medical care that is provided to a pregnant women. I fully support that; yes, women should get all possible tests they should have to ensure the wellbeing of their fetus, but that is something that is very easy to do at 20 weeks. So by reducing the time from 20 weeks to 12 weeks, it will not be that easy. I\u2019m not saying that the gender of the fetus cannot be detected before 12 weeks, but what I\u2019m saying is that it is difficult and by 20 weeks it becomes really easy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003ESo for someone who goes for an ultrasound scan at 18 weeks, finds out it is a female fetus\u2014and I\u2019m specifically talking about the mentality that is there to prefer a male child over a female fetus\u2014they then have around two weeks\u2019 time to access an abortion. I don\u2019t want to see that happening here in New Zealand. The argument that there is no evidence of such abortions happening here in New Zealand, in my view, is baseless, because we haven\u2019t gone out to collect that kind of evidence, so we don\u2019t have any evidence, and with this legislation it will become really easy for people to access a sex-selective abortion. So the numbers might increase, but it will be really hard for us to know if they have been because of this reason, because I don\u2019t think people will truthfully declare the reason for the abortion if they seek that abortion after their ultrasound scan at 18 weeks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThe second component of my Supplementary Order Paper is to insert a new subsection\u2014this is after new section 20F(1). This is again in clause 7. This says that a qualified health practitioner must refuse to provide fetal ultrasound screening to a person where the qualified health practitioner has reason to believe that the person is undergoing that ultrasound scanning only to find out the sex of a fetus, and, secondly, that that information will be used to go out and get an abortion to ensure that the fetus that is carried to the full term is of a preferred sex.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003ESo I have objection to this. In this legislation there is no protection for health practitioners to say no on this ground. So it\u2019s really important that we provide this safeguard\u2014this ability to health professionals. We put a lot of responsibility on them and they\u2019re the best judge to decide if any kind of medical testing is needed for medical reasons or not. I can fully understand that families, when they have a woman that is pregnant, get quite anxious and sometimes they want to undergo some testing, and it should be the medical practitioner deciding whether that medical testing is required or not. And if the medical practitioner thinks that testing is only to identify the sex of the fetus, then they should be able to say no to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u0022109cb8d587aa4844997886921366b82e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022109cb8d587aa4844997886921366b82e\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Labour\u2014Port Hills):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Can I just take a call to speak in support of my own Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) 472 and 476. I\u2019ve had some queries from colleagues from both sides of the House, because the second part of SOP 472 looks remarkably similar to SOP 476. I\u2019ve submitted SOP 476 earlier today to cover off the eventuality that the second part of SOP 472 might be determined as out of scope by the presiding officer, so that\u2019s my back-up provision. But I\u2019d like to just explain briefly what these two SOPs do and why the select committee that I had the privilege of chairing didn\u2019t recommend these changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EMembers of the committee will know that in the bill there is provision for conscientious objection. So if there\u2019s someone anywhere along the spectrum of engagement with a person seeking an abortion or seeking emergency contraception, the person to whom that request is made is able to say, \u201CI don\u2019t do this.\u201D\u2014they can register a conscientious objection. The Abortion Legislation Committee did a very generous and fair allowance for conscientious objection, in my view. The bill further says that if a woman is seeking emergency contraception which avoids her getting pregnant\u2014that\u2019s the purpose of emergency contraception\u2014she might go to a chemist who says, \u201CNo, I\u2019m a conscientious objector; I\u2019m not going to dispense that prescription for you.\u201D, the bill requires that chemist to give the woman the name of somebody who will dispense the prescription to her.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EWhat the select committee didn\u2019t think of, and what this SOP seeks to correct, is that there\u2019s no requirement for that information about the non-conscientious objector to be nearby. So we could have a woman in Whanganui\u2014a fine town, if I may say so\u2014seeking emergency contraception, and the chemist says, \u201CNo, I\u2019m a conscientious objector; here\u2019s a provider.\u201D, and the provider\u2019s in Invercargill\u2014hopeless. So all my SOP seeks to do is say \u201Cthe nearest provider.\u201D It delivers what the select committee\u2019s intention was and clearly provides this House with security that any opportunity that we have to avoid unwanted pregnancies, and therefore abortions, should be taken. So that\u2019s why I\u2019m strongly supportive of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003EThe second part of my SOP 472, which is now in new SOP 476, is to require the Minister of Health to ensure that emergency contraception is available throughout the country. We heard terrible stories at the select committee about a lack of equity of access to services, both in emergency contraception and in abortion services. We know that we have a large number of small, isolated communities, and if you happen to live in one of those areas\u2014Kiritapu Allan will be able to name many of them from her part of the world\u2014it is totally unacceptable for women in those towns to be unable to access emergency contraception solely on the basis of where they live. So that\u2019s what the second part of SOP 472 and the new SOP 476 seek to address: making sure that the information that the woman gets is helpful\u2014they will be able to go down the road or, you know, not too far away to get access to emergency contraception\u2014and the Minister of Health will have an obligation to ensure that it\u2019s provided. So that\u2019s, simply summarised, my two SOPs. Mr Chairman, thank you for the call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c585eddfbc084b0da1bd77e934bf89c8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c585eddfbc084b0da1bd77e934bf89c8\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I would like to comment on a number of amendments proposed to Part 1 of this Abortion Legislation Bill. Darroch Ball is proposing that, much as the recently passed End of Life Choice Act, this bill become an Act that is passed only, in truth, when there\u2019s a referendum to confirm it. I, of course, supported a referendum on the End of Life Choice Act; regretfully I don\u2019t think there\u2019s a need for that on this Act, and, therefore, I\u2019m opposing that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EOn the other hand, Jan Logie\u2019s amendments on Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 325 propose that Model A, as recommended by the Law Commission, be introduced or at least restored to this initiative. When Newshub\u2019s Tova O\u2019Brien did a straw poll of MPs asking which model they support, I\u2019m proud to say that I was one of only three MPs who supported Model A. Model A would mean that there was no statutory test at any point of pregnancy. It goes to the practical reality that abortion is a matter between a woman and a doctor, and the only thing that the State can do by putting in place a statutory framework is to make it more difficult, more stigmatising, and more traumatic\u2014and I\u2019m opposed to that. I hope that Jan Logie\u2019s amendment will get up and pass.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThere is also another amendment by Jan Logie to replace \u201Cwoman\u201D with \u201Cpregnant woman or other pregnant person\u201D. I understand the intent of what she is trying to do, but I do have to say that getting bogged down in these definitional debates is a great frustration for people who want to pass this law; I don\u2019t think I can support that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EMelissa Lee, I have to say, is perhaps the most heartfelt person putting an amendment up on this legislation. She is deeply concerned about sex selection and disability. She has put two amendments that would prevent\u2014in theory, at least\u2014people having abortions for the purposes of sex selection or stopping a baby being born with a disability. I think it would be churlish not to think very hard about what Melissa Lee is saying. However, it\u2019s also important that when we consider legislation that we look not only at the intentions, which in this case are absolutely noble, but also that we think carefully about the effects or the outcomes of a legislative initiative. In this case, it is very difficult to imagine how this law is going to prevent a person truly determined to practise sex selection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThe Abortion Legislation Committee that was chaired by Ruth Dyson, that I was a member of, considered this issue very carefully, and we decided to put a declaration that the Parliament does not approve of abortion for those purposes. We also recognised that we couldn\u2019t effectively stop determined people; what we might achieve inadvertently, by putting such a condition in the law, is to create prejudice as a way of trying to detect who might be carrying this out. Unfortunately, the practical reality is that women who are from a culture that is thought to practise sex selection, for instance, are going to find themselves discriminated against. So in a bid to remove one prejudice we fail, but we introduce another. So I say, with some regret, to Melissa Lee that I for one can\u2019t support that, and I don\u2019t think others should.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThere are amendments in the name of Agnes Loheni. I question some of the science around anaesthetising a fetus. In terms of the 20-week restriction, I think that just shows a real lack of compassion for that tiny portion of women who find themselves in need to abort a wanted pregnancy often to save their own lives. I really think that she needs to take a look at her SOP and, frankly, at herself before she brings things like that to this committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s Jo Hayes\u2019 amendment saying that there needs to be informed consent. Well, we have a lot of debates like this over the End of Life Choice Act, and consistently what was found was that the Code of Health and Disability Services Consumers\u2019 Rights already requires that, so it would be somewhat redundant. We then have Jo Hayes saying that children shouldn\u2019t consent to an abortion. I think, ultimately, wherever you fall out on the side of this particular issue, you should be very cautious about how you impose it on children. So, obviously, no one would want children or minors to be pregnant; I don\u2019t think that should be the case\u2014it\u2019s almost illegal\u2014and I don\u2019t think that they should be seeking abortions either. But given the circumstances that some people face, it\u2019s really not clear how a prohibition on abortion is going to make matters better, as it won\u2019t with adults. So I can\u2019t support that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThere are a number of further amendments that have been tabled later, and I just want to comment on two of them. One of them is in the name of Ruth Dyson, which, as you might expect from her, is eminently sensible, and I think that deserves the committee\u2019s support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThe other one is from Marama Davidson, which says that there should be amendments to the extent that the safe areas still exist but they\u2019re initiated by the provider, the clinic in question, rather than the Director-General of Health, and that the test is more objective and that it\u2019s any discussion of abortion services, and that it becomes an infringement notice regime. Now, as somebody who is always concerned about protecting freedom of expression, I think there\u2019s a lot of merit in that particular amendment. However, there are also some major flaws in it. For one, an infringement notice regime, while technically defensible for those accused, in practice means that you can be suppressed simply on the basis of an officer or a constable deciding that they don\u2019t like what you\u2019re doing. You do not have the kind of defences when a prosecution must be brought. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ESecondly, the issue that I find a little bit odd with it is that in a sense, it\u2019s a pass for people to be able to protest according to ability to pay. That, from a civil liberties point of view, I find very difficult. So I do think that that Marama Davidson\u2019s amendment is better than the status quo, but I think that it is actually not the best amendment for people who are concerned about freedom of speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI have an amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 464, which would remove the safe area provisions from this legislation. The reasoning for doing that is several. First of all, we all know that freedom of expression is critically important to New Zealand. We should only remove it if we feel that there is a very justifiable reason. Now, the Law Commission has said, \u201CThe commission has not seen any clear evidence that the existing laws around intimidating and anti-social behaviour are inadequate, as would be required to justify the introduction of safe access zones.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EIt is also true, and I hope the Minister will get up and tell us\u2014I\u2019m sure he\u2019ll tell us\u2014that Crown Law has said that Crown Law believes that the impairment of freedom of expression is justified in this particular instance. Well, that\u2019s all well and good, but I would rather that this committee takes the facts from the advisers and makes the value judgments ourselves. The Law Commission has done the most rigorous and robust empirical study of whether there truly is a problem out there with people harassing and intimidating women around abortion clinics. They\u2019ve said that there is not a problem. It\u2019s not up to Crown Law to make value judgments; it\u2019s up to elected representatives.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ESecondly, we need to think very carefully about the implications of this legislation, because what it means is that the society has decided that on an ad hoc basis, when there\u2019s people we don\u2019t like\u2014and I, for one, don\u2019t like anti-abortion protesters very much\u2014that we are going to introduce a makeshift law that suppresses freedom of speech on an ad hoc basis. People might think very carefully about the words of a member who changed her mind and just told me in the last few minutes that she\u2019s supporting this. She said, \u201CHad a change of mind. You\u2019re right. Freedoms of movement and the right to protest is a value that\u2019s critical in a democratic country.\u201D In New Zealand, we might want to think carefully about groups of students, about farmers, about oil and gas industry people who might say, actually, \u201CWe want the kinds of protection from protest activity that those people got in the Abortion Legislation Bill.\u201D That\u2019s the precedent that\u2019s being set here, and I think we should be really careful about setting such a precedent when the Law Commission says there is not a problem. Thank you, Mr Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022 data-id=\u0022c6fe0bd7c0424b56a0ca053aeceb5ea1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c6fe0bd7c0424b56a0ca053aeceb5ea1\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN (National\u2014Pakuranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call on the Abortion Legislation Bill. Firstly, I\u2019d like to ask Minister Little a question which relates to my Supplementary Order Paper 465. My Supplementary Order Paper seeks to make an amendment around the collection of data and the publishing of data which is in clause 7, in replacement sections 20D and 20E. My question primarily relates to why clause 20E has a limitation period of 18 months for the collection of information from abortion services which are provided. Now, I\u2019d like the Minister to take a call and explain this. He hasn\u2019t explained the rationale regarding this part of the bill yet, but I do think it\u2019s an important piece because this bill does change the nature and change the way in which information in relation to abortions are collected in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ECurrently, the Abortion Supervisory Committee has the responsibility of collecting that information and publishing an annual report. Under this bill, the Abortion Supervisory Committee will be abolished and it will become the duty of the Director-General of Health to collect, collate, analyse, and publish information. Under replacement section 20D(1) \u201CThe Director-General must\u2014(a) collect, collate, analyse, and publish information about the provision of\u2014(i) abortion services in New Zealand; and (ii) counselling services in relation to, or in connection with, the provision of abortion services; and (b) develop and publish standards for the services described in paragraph (a).\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EIn the next section, replacement section 20E, abortion service providers are to notify the director-general about abortion services provided. There\u2019s a range of pieces of information which they have to provide, some of which is provided in Schedule 2. Right at the end under replacement section 20E(5) it says, \u201CThis section is repealed on the expiry of 18 months after the date on which it comes into force.\u201D I guess my first question to the Minister is why is there an expiry date in regards to this second part of the collection of information when there are other parts of this legislation which require information to be collected for much longer periods? One of these could be replacement section 20F(2), which requires that there must be \u201CNot later than 5 years after the commencement of this section\u201D a report around sex selection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003ESo what we\u2019re seeing here is, I think, a discrepancy whereby the abortion service providers are only required to collect information about the abortions provided in New Zealand for only a period of 18 months, but there are other aspects of this bill which require information and reports to be created, which require up to five years or longer. So I\u2019m asking the Minister if he could take a call and explain this discrepancy to me. And if it is his will, as is it would be mine, I would suggest that my Supplementary Order Paper may be an opportunity where we can look to remove this subsection 5 in replacement section 20E so that this section continues in perpetuity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not sure if that\u2019s the intention, so that\u2019s one of the reasons why I ask the question. But I would also argue that this should be the intention of this legislation, that we do want to see this information collected for a longer period of time so that it\u2019s not only able to be used for the purposes outlined in other parts of this bill but also so that there can be comparisons made between the information provided by the Abortion Supervisory Committee in the annual reports that they currently provide and the reports which will then be provided under this new piece of legislation, assuming that it passes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EIn my Supplementary Order Paper it also included a couple of additional sections which could be included in the Schedule, which would essentially mean that the report provided by the director-general is going to be the same as what was provided by the Abortion Supervisory Committee, so there is a direct comparison between the two. I do ask the Minister to be able to answer those questions, to outline to the Chamber the rationale for this discrepancy, and I hope that we can work together to fix it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00223867e079df1f478fb2a46a096cb4d76e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223867e079df1f478fb2a46a096cb4d76e\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair, and I thank Mr Brown for his invitation to speak. I had intended to go through a number of responses to a number of contributions, but I\u2019ll deal with his because I think Mr Brown makes a good point. It certainly has been the intention\u2014I think that the committee had intended it\u2014that there will still be a continued collection of relevant statistical information so that we know what is happening in relation to the incidence of abortion in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThat proposed replacement section 20E is a transitional section. We know that the Abortion Supervisory Committee collects information, collects data, and publishes that data. That was intended to ensure that that continues: the data specified in subsection (1) of that proposed section, as well as the data set out in Schedule 2 in accordance with subsection (2) of that proposed section 20E. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EHowever, that part of the bill, and specifically replacement section 20D, requires the director-general to collect, collate, analyse, and publish information. It is set out there and describes the information that has to be collected. I would also refer the member to proposed section 21, which is a general regulation-making power where the Governor-General can provide, by way of regulation, requirements and stipulations on the director-general. That would also include a requirement in relation to the information that has to be collected and collated, analysed and published. So I think that is covered off.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI think where the member\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 480 goes a little bit far is in some of the information that he wants collected. So it\u2019s not just the previous pregnancies but viable pregnancies and what have you. That is not necessary to evaluate the impact of, or the significance of, or the incidence of, abortions in New Zealand. So that is the reason why I don\u2019t support his SOP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIf I could just go through some of the points that I and the other Minister who has sat in the chair on my behalf have recorded, the points that have been made. I\u2019ll do my best to rattle through these, to provide a response to members who have put in effort to put in SOPs, and taking the time to speak to them. I think that is the right way for these debates to continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI do note the member Agnes Loheni\u2019s reference to abortion on demand up to birth. It\u2019s a sad trope that gets trotted out by the anti-abortionists about abortion up to birth. There is no abortion up to birth; there never has been abortion up to birth in New Zealand. We regulate in relation to up to 20 weeks. When the Law Commission was looking at the question about where you put the threshold, it was all about fetal viability.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EOther jurisdictions that have reformed their abortion laws more recently: I think of Queensland in Australia that has a threshold of 22 weeks; I think of the state of New York in the United States that has a threshold of 24 weeks. Because the medical evidence, generally speaking, suggests that fetal viability is not possible until at least 23 weeks. We have set it at 20 weeks. I think that is the right thing to do, and reflects the law that has been in place since 1977. So it does not help the debate when we get into extreme\u2014and, frankly, inaccurate\u2014labelling like that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI know the member wants to change the language from \u201Cclinically appropriate\u201D to \u201Cmedically appropriate\u201D. That reflects, I think, the fact that our medical profession now is bound by a set of articulated standards that did not exist 40 years ago. When Venn Young was pushing the legislation through at the time, the medical profession was very much, sort of, operating like a conclave. It was even tighter and more secret than, you know, electing a pope, but that\u2019s changed now. We have an openness and a transparency in our medical profession that we did not have 40 years ago. Those standards and the clinical standards that the medical profession of all types\u2014health practitioners\u2014operate to are known. They all have their own various colleges and professional standard-setting bodies\u2014their disciplinary bodies. We didn\u2019t have that 40 years ago, perhaps apart from the New Zealand Medical Association, which didn\u2019t do a great deal at that time\u2014a little bit more busy more recently, because people know their medical rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI want to go to the point made by Alfred Ngaro about his SOP relating to Treaty rights. I know he says that M\u0101ori he\u2019s spoken to regard pregnancy as tapu, and therefore a taonga. But the Treaty deals with the obligations as between the Crown and M\u0101ori collectively. The Treaty was never intended to deal with the rights of a patient consulting a doctor\u2014that is not what the Treaty was about, and so we do not need to go that far. So I don\u2019t support the SOP that that member has put up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe member Jo Hayes refers to her SOP 462, and she\u2019s concerned about women being coerced to give consent, and the issue of whether or not they\u2019re capable of giving consent. Medical professionals are required, as a matter of course, to determine the capacity of their patients, whether they can give consent. In a situation like this, where a woman is consulting her medical professional, an issue that a medical professional has to be alert to is whether there is an element of coercion. That has always been the case in relation to these things. Medical professionals must advise if they are concerned that the person who is consulting with them may be under some sort of coercion or intimidation, and what have you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI\u2019m going to come to the issue of safe areas. I know the member Marama Davidson talked about her SOP 474, and would prefer it if the decision was left to the Director-General of Health, rather than the Minister. For the reasons that David Seymour has well articulated\u2014which is that it is, in the end, a political issue, and political considerations will apply\u2014I think it should sit with the Minister, but I\u2019ll come to that in a little more depth, to respond to the points that Mr Seymour has made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI acknowledge my friend and parliamentary colleague Simon O\u2019Connor and his amendment regarding births following abortion. I should say, although I said that that never happens, I am corrected. It does happen extremely rarely, when an abortion happens very late in the pregnancy. I\u2019ll go back to the point that others have made: women do not decide on a whim, substantially through the pregnancy, that they\u2019ve changed their mind, they don\u2019t want the pregnancy. By 20 weeks, women want the pregnancy. They want that child, but something goes seriously wrong, and they have to consult their medical professional, and the question of abortion might arise. Now, he\u2019s concerned about the situation\u2014the very, very and extremely rare situation\u2014in which, having consulted about an abortion, the fetus is viable, and can be delivered viably. I acknowledge that point, but there are medical professional obligations that already surround that particular situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the points made by Nicky Wagner in her SOP 468. I agree with her that the language is out of date. A lot of the language in the rest of that legislation is out of date, but I do note that this legislation deals solely with the issue of abortion. I would like to think at some point this House could come back at a later stage, at the very least, just to tidy up the language in the legislation so it is not cast in the offensive terms that it is at the moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ETo Parmjeet Parmar, who has raised her issue about ethnic profiling, I repeat the point that I think David Seymour made, which is to deal with that issue in the way proposed in that SOP, SOP 475, ends up, in effect, requiring a medical practitioner to exercise a level of prejudice that may not be helpful\u2014in fact, may be harmful. I don\u2019t agree with that SOP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ETo David Seymour: I won\u2019t go through the SOPs he says he doesn\u2019t support, because I largely agree with him on each of those. I make this point in relation to his SOP 464 about removing the safe area or safe zone provisions. I agree with him. I know he doesn\u2019t think I do sometimes, but I totally agree with him and his concern. I look to him as the champion of freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It is the right thing for a party of his ilk to do. He does it very well, and I respect him for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EHe refers to the Law Commission saying there was no evidence of the need for this. I recite to him the age-old adage, \u201Cabsence of evidence is not evidence of absence\u201D. So the Law Commission didn\u2019t see it, but the reality is that others came to the Abortion Legislation Committee and expressed their experience. Just from some of them that went to the select committee\u2014Scott Summerfeld said, \u201CI want to be clear, these anti-abortion protests are harassment.\u201D He was talking about things that have actually happened. They are directly targeted at people accessing abortion services in a very deliberate manner. There were other contributions as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI want to make this point too: the purpose of the safe area provision, with all the safeguards around it, it\u2019s not guaranteed in any particular case. A DHB has to make the case to the Minister at the time, who has to be satisfied that there is a need, and that it is a justified limitation on the freedom of speech or freedom of expression. This is about prevention. It\u2019s no good saying to a woman who\u2019s been intimidated and harassed, \u201CYou can lay complaint afterwards.\u201D They should not be subject to that when what they are doing is consulting a medical practitioner about a decision they must be entitled to make.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022 data-id=\u00228fdbe99cf0404dfd9135027bbe67f651\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228fdbe99cf0404dfd9135027bbe67f651\u0022\u003EPAULO GARCIA (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I stand to speak to Supplementary Order Paper 466, as it seeks to amend clause 7 of the Abortion Legislation Bill Part 1. This is in the name of Alfred Ngaro. The amendment seeks to include a requirement to have individuals or organisations who are tasked with responsibilities under the bill ensure that the cultural background of persons seeking abortions be taken into consideration when assessing their situation and giving them advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003EThe House knows very well that I am a New Zealander of Filipino descent. I represent a community of first generation migrants. And due to the migration settings in the past decade or so, when Filipino skilled migrants arrived in New Zealand and doubled in number, the immigration settings had Filipinos arriving with young children, children in their teens, and young adults. The relevance of these facts goes to the probability that when a young person comes seeking an abortion, the request is made out of a desire to keep her pregnancy secret. This desire is based on many, many factors, but most likely on the basis that the father is absolutely absent or is coercive towards that point. There is also, in our culture especially, that feeling of shame or desire not to cause distress to her parents and extended family.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003EI speak for families in this situation\u2014Filipino families, families of other migrant communities, I also speak for all families who will identify with the words that I am speaking. These circumstances place the person asking for an abortion in a vulnerable state, where she makes the request already predisposed to having an abortion due to her circumstances and, quite truly, not really out of her own free choice. Culturally, for Filipinos and many migrant communities as well and families out there, there would be an overwhelming desire for families to come in support of a pregnant teen, to make sure that she gets that support from family and allow her to carry on, give birth, take care of the child, and continue to live a life where she can study and work\u2014a meaningful life.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003ETaking that into consideration will allow the advisers of the person who seeks an abortion to be able to take into consideration and include these circumstances in their advice, especially, on top of these considerations as new migrants, where English is not their first language. A perfect storm is gathering, where young women are driven to decide to have abortions, even as their families would be more than willing to help them through a pregnancy. The full extent of the abortion process, therefore, must be described in clear detail\u2014taking all of their circumstances into consideration and including the level of physical pain and, of course, the possibility of resulting isolation due to her cultural circumstances must be described to her clearly to help her and give her the advice that she needs at that point when she seeks this advice: looking for an abortion. Thank you, Mr Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022 data-id=\u00224bf2a15f099f4ec89127d3481b6d078f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224bf2a15f099f4ec89127d3481b6d078f\u0022\u003EAGNES LOHENI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I\u2019d just like to comment on some of the Minister\u2019s remarks in regard to Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 460 in my name. I mean, it\u2019s clear to me in the reading of section 11, which I notice that the Minister never refers to the actual parts that I\u2019ve raised in this bill on section 11, on what is not defined, what is now not accountable. And it is, actually, in my SOP that I am striving to find just that little bit of recognition\u2014just a small semblance of recognition for some rights of the unborn child, which makes up the two parts of what happens: the two people that are involved in an abortion. That is what I\u2019m seeking to get some little balance on, because it is totally out of kilter in this bill\u2014totally out of kilter. All the rights now are with one party, and I\u2019ve said to the Minister, Andrew Little, that in the wording\u2014and I think I\u2019ve been very, very clear in the wording\u2014about why I believe that this will lead to abortion on demand. He\u2019s very quick to dismiss that. Just, \u201COh, this is just ridiculous.\u201D, but, actually, he doesn\u2019t actually come back and argue the points that I have made into section 11 and the new criteria in this bill\u2014they are so broad as to be meaningless, and I stand by what I say. So that\u2019s what I\u2019m trying to do: try and get some little semblance of recognition which has been totally wiped out in this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EI won\u2019t comment any more on that part. I\u2019d just like to make some comments in regard to member Jan Logie\u2019s SOP\u2014her SOP 325\u2014which is, ultimately, to go to option A. And I noticed one of the comments raised was that this was the option that was most supported by health practitioners. So is that the suggestion by the member\u2014that health practitioners should be the legislators for this bill? Because I\u2019m pretty sure that the member was in the same committee with me, where there were over 25,000 submissions on this bill, of which over 91 percent were opposed. The member also stated, and it\u2019s been heard before in the Chamber a couple of times today, \u201Cwanted pregnancies\u201D\u2014\u201CEvery pregnancy post - 20 weeks is a wanted pregnancy.\u201D Well, we would like that to be the case, but actually we know as legislators that we have to provide a law to account for situations where that is not the case, because I\u2019m not a mind reader and I\u2019m pretty sure the Minister\u2019s not a mind reader either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003ESo we have\u2014in the current law, and I\u2019ve heard this before\u2014very rare and exceptional circumstances for abortions post - 20 weeks. We have a law now\u2014the current law now allows for those very rare and exceptional circumstances. So I have laid claim\u2014and I\u2019ve put in an SOP here\u2014to make sure that we leave it; to make sure that it is restricted to those very rare and special circumstances, and that\u2019s what\u2019s in my SOP.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EThe other one that I\u2019d like to comment on is that the member continues to say in this House that one in four women have abortions. That is completely false\u2014that is completely false. Statistics New Zealand\u2014very recent data\u2014have confirmed that for every 1,000 women aged between 15 and 44, between 13 and 21 of them have had an abortion that year, and, over the last five years, that has averaged at just under 14 abortions per 1,000 women. There is another study by the University of Auckland, which found that it was one in 10 women. So even if you take that number\u2014that one in 10\u2014it is completely out of the ballpark and is completely wrong and misleading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46106ec-7b2f-4d6f-a7f2-8525ae4550f6\u0022\u003EI would just like to, quickly, in my short time remaining, raise that I do have an SOP around fetal pain. This is around trying to find some humane treatment of those unborn babies post - 20 weeks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022 data-id=\u0022498d5e7fcc2e422ea8a869d0125f87d5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022498d5e7fcc2e422ea8a869d0125f87d5\u0022\u003EMELISSA LEE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair\u2014good choice. It is the first time that I\u2019ve had an opportunity to get up and speak on this particular bill. I\u2019d like to state, first of all, my intention to vote against this bill once again and actually put on record how offended I was at the very thought that some members actually think that, just because I am voting against this bill, I am opposed to abortion purely because of my religious views, and that I must be some sort of a religious zealot. I actually find that very offensive, and I\u2019d like to state that before I actually get going. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI have a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP), which I will speak to in the second part of this bill\u2014SOP 459. It is in Part 2, so I won\u2019t go into the detail of it right now, but I have also flagged to members that I intend to split the bill so that there is a differentiation between the gender selection and the disability selection in terms of discrimination. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EOne of the things that the Minister of Justice spoke about earlier when he was responding to some of the SOPs that were presented by different members and one of the things that he talked about in regard to Dr Parmjeet Parmar, and the fact that he reflected on Mr David Seymour\u2019s response to that and on how that was going to be creating more confusion\u2014I think he was actually confusing Dr Parmar\u2019s SOP with my SOP in relation to the gender selection issue, and abortion for the sole purpose of sex selection and how that might actually create ethnic profiling. I think the only person who has so far done any kind of ethnic profiling is that Minister, because there is nothing in my SOP that deals with anything that is actually ethnic. He has already decided that some ethnic communities are profiling the gender of the child in utero and are choosing to abort. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EWhat I wanted was purely to remove the discrimination, because I know for a fact that there are parents of children who actually have three boys already and they don\u2019t want another boy; so they want to have a girl child. The reverse is also true, which is that there are some families who have three girls, for example, and they don\u2019t want any other girls. They want a boy child. I want to remove that discrimination that exists. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003ESure, we have ethnic communities in other countries\u2014for example, in China, they\u2019ve actually had a one-child policy, where only the boy child was preferred. The boy child was preferred because in some ethnic cultures\u2014not just China, but including Korea\u2014boy children are actually known as the superannuation guarantee for the parents, because boy children are thought to be the ones who will look after their elderly parents when they are older. So that is the reason why they are wanted. But what happened in China, for example, was it was a Government policy, and more than 30 million boy children, who are all grown up now, don\u2019t have wives, because there they aborted girl children because that\u2019s what they wanted. That was a policy. But what my Supplementary Order Paper\u2014and new section 20F in clause 7 of this particular bill, dealing with abortion for the sole purpose of sex selection, is something that I am really concerned about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EIf the select committee members and the Minister are concerned about that particular issue and saying that New Zealand doesn\u2019t actually agree with doing abortions on the basis of gender discrimination, we should be doing something about it. Just to say that \u201COh, it\u2019s going to cause ethnic profiling.\u201D I don\u2019t think is enough of an answer. We already know there\u2019s a problem. We need to actually deal with it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EThe other thing is I find it offensive when women in this House, or any other people, say that abortion is the sexual and reproductive right of every woman and that a child in utero\u2014a baby in utero\u2014is another part of a woman\u2019s body. A baby growing in a woman\u2019s uterus is not like an appendix. Cutting out an appendix and cutting out a child in utero is not the same, and I particularly oppose this bill because of that post - 20 week to no-limit abortion. I think it is absolutely abhorrent, and that is the reason why I oppose this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002218f9e3ea-81c5-4414-af48-d6bb843a9227\u0022\u003EI will get to my SOP further down the track when we\u2019re discussing Part 2. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022 data-id=\u00222ecffa4e2f7b4374bc4fe17d15fab45c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222ecffa4e2f7b4374bc4fe17d15fab45c\u0022\u003EHon NIKKI KAYE (National\u2014Auckland Central):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak in this debate. I am supporting this legislation for reasons that I have previously spoken about: the importance of ensuring that women have equal rights in New Zealand and that they have access to safe abortions. We know there are significant issues around access in terms of New Zealand, but also I believe that we have a very archaic law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EThe specific issue and Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) that I wanted to deal with is actually David Seymour\u2019s SOP 464 around safe zones. This has been an incredibly hard decision for me on this SOP, because I am what I would consider one of the most liberal members in the House. I believe in freedom of speech and I believe in freedom of political communication, but I will not be supporting David Seymour\u2019s SOP, which is a very hard decision and I\u2019ll tell you why. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EBasically, I don\u2019t buy the argument that there isn\u2019t some harm that does occur with some women, and some of the submitters turned up to select committee and actually said that. This is not an unusual provision across the world, and, in fact, I\u2019ve just been reading a lengthy judgment from Australia\u2014a 200-page decision\u2014whereby, as I understand it, most of the jurisdictions and territories in Australia have something like these safe zones. Basically, when you look at that particular case and you look at the balance that is being struck here, there is this recognition that with freedom of speech and freedom of political communication, there are limits to that if there is harm that is being caused by individuals. I accept David\u2019s argument that the Law Commission has said that there isn\u2019t significant evidence of this, but with all due respect, we are dealing with a different legal framework. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EI have personally experienced and many other members in the House have experienced some of the bullying and intimidation that has come from some of the people who have been submitting. I have heard the stories of some of the people who have put in submissions, and I can\u2019t, with my conscience, support David\u2019s SOP, because I don\u2019t actually have confidence in the bullying and intimidation laws in New Zealand. So the ideal thing here for me, from a parliamentary perspective, when our schools are rife with bullying and our country has a major bullying issue, would be to properly deal with that with a legislative perspective, but we don\u2019t have that bill before Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003ESo I have been in a very difficult situation on this bill because my absolute instincts are to support David\u2019s removal of these safe zones, but I know that the rest of our law is deficient and that there will be women who will be intimidated and who will be harassed, and the reality is that it is not an unlimited provision. The reality is there will be protesters outside those safe zones. They will have the ability, as was noted in a 200-page legal case in Australia, where there are limits and proscription around these safe zones. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ed2d10c1-43b7-41d9-9f5c-0c313f70e625\u0022\u003EI will also be supporting, unusually, Marama Davidson\u2019s SOP 474 because, again, and I know that there will be lots of different views in this House, I think there has been an attempt to better balance\u2014and I think David noted this in his speech to the committee\u2014the right of freedom of expression and the right to protest and to be able to have people\u2019s views heard. Thank you very much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e2731acbed034b169339791e08cf78a2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e2731acbed034b169339791e08cf78a2\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Chair. Actually, it\u2019s appropriate that I follow the Hon Nikki Kaye, because I too want to speak to Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 464, in the name of David Seymour. In doing so, I do want to acknowledge that, within his SOP, he has referenced the Law Commission, and it\u2019s true that they didn\u2019t recommend safe areas. It\u2019s also true that Crown Law said that in implementing these, the right to freedom of expression is impaired. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EBut I\u2019ve managed to find two pieces of evidence that actually will help us, as a Parliament, decide on the balance that is being struck, I believe, within this bill. The first is from the US, and it\u2019s titled \u201CEffect of abortion protesters on women\u2019s emotional response to abortion\u201D. It was conducted by looking at 30 facilities. They interviewed 956 women who were going to those clinics for an abortion, and 25 percent of the women interviewed said that it had little effect and 16 percent said that it had quite a lot, or that they became extremely upset\u2014that it was a difficult enough situation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EThe second piece of research I want to highlight is titled \u201CAnti-abortion protest and the effectiveness of Victoria\u2019s safe access zones: an analysis\u201D, and it looks at safe access zones in Tasmania, ACT, Victoria, the Northern Territory, and New South Wales. Tasmania was the first jurisdiction to implement these safe access zones, in 2013.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EEssentially, this is what they said about what the protesters actually say and do: they intrude into people\u2019s personal space\u2014of patients and of family members who choose to accompany people wanting to have an abortion. They dispense propaganda, including fetal dolls. They implore them not to kill their babies. They castigate them as murderers. They heckle them. They threaten them. They verbally abuse them. Some of them are stopped from exiting their cars, and some of them are physically stopped from entering the clinic. This is not just the women and their families and friends who take them to these abortion clinics but also the staff. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI actually think we need to think about that context of our health practitioners working in those facilities who have to endure all of that type of abuse every day. I believe there is a health and safety element to the provisions in the bill, and, therefore, when we think about the health and safety provisions\u2014that a provider will go to their DHB, who will go to the Ministry of Health, and then, in consultation with the Ministry of Justice, they will then designate a particular clinic as requiring a safe zone. So when we look at the, I think, quite logical step that the Abortion Legislation Committee has recommended and the Minister of Justice has recommended\u2014we\u2019re not having blanket safe zones; what we\u2019re doing is providing a mechanism so that the Governor-General, by Order in Council, on the recommendation of the Ministry of Health after consulting with the Ministry of Justice, can put these in place. They will be in particular sites, I imagine. I know Dunedin has been particularly awful. We know that\u2014the people on the commission heard that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo when I think about the context of the bill, the context of abortion\u2014and we\u2019ve all seen it: the emotion; the placards outside that are supposed to scare us into not voting for this piece of legislation. Let\u2019s all be real about the efficacy of these safe zones and the need of these safe zones. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo do I believe that it\u2019s a justified limitation on freedom of expression? Absolutely. No woman, no parent, no family member, no friend, and no staff member who is going into a facility to enable what is already a very difficult situation should have to be abused in such a way\u2014to interfere with a woman\u2019s right to a medical procedure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo I welcome the Minister\u2019s comments, because I do think the health and safety aspect is particularly crucial. As Nikki Kaye pointed out, we have a bullying and harassment and intimidation culture in New Zealand. For us not to futureproof this legislation to ensure we have the tools to deal with it, if it does happen\u2014it may not happen now; that\u2019s David Seymour\u2019s argument. But, actually, we\u2019ve seen what this bill has generated. We\u2019ve received it in our inboxes. We\u2019ve seen it out on the front steps of Parliament. For us not to actually have the tools and the mechanisms to rid ourselves of this abuse and harassment, and, as I\u2019ve already highlighted, women who are already in a difficult situation, to upset them even more is unconscionable. So I want to thank the Minister and thank the select committee for ensuring that these safe zones will exist but they will only exist if they\u2019re needed. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u00224d9d43bdb46343d4826db76ae55640ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224d9d43bdb46343d4826db76ae55640ce\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. Thank you, Mr Chair, for the call this evening before going into the dinner break. My contribution is in relation to Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 467, amending clause 7 of the Abortion Legislation Bill by inserting new section 18. I invite everybody to look at that, because it is rather lengthy. I particularly invite the Minister of Justice also, who carries the responsibility as Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, to factor in\u2014and I hearken to the phrase from my colleague across the House Louisa Wall\u2014futureproofing this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EMy SOP is in relation to the placement of cultural considerations to be recognised within this bill. This bill deliberately omits, for some unknown reason, when we have a Government\u2014and it is a Government bill\u2014that talks about the importance of diversity within our nationhood, our nationscape, but also the importance of welfare, caring, and transparency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI\u2019m returning to clause 18 as proposed: cultural considerations to be recognised. In addressing the House, the explanatory note to this Supplementary Order Paper\u2014for the benefit of members of the public listening in\u2014is very much prefacing the health disparity and outcome for New Zealand M\u0101ori, which is far worse and disproportionate than for non-M\u0101ori in our nation. This bill is very much focused on the accessibility and availability of a quality abortion service. This debate is to reform health outcomes for women, the pregnant women, many of whom are in fact children under the age of 14, and it\u2019s also very important, with this health reform, to be cognisant of the fact that we are not absent of cultural context and the relationship of the Treaty of Waitangi and where that is positioned in our nationscape.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThis bill is very much consequent on the Crimes Act 1961 and the Contraception, Sterilisation, and Abortion Act 1977, both of which have no specific reference of any cultural construct or context or mention of the Treaty of Waitangi\u2014thus the very reason for my Supplementary Order Paper for the inclusion and the inclusivity of this in terms of equality, abortion service, and the provision of care. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThis bill should be\u2014as our Government has repeatedly purported in many bills that have been introduced to this House\u2014about the welfare and wellbeing of our most vulnerable. In this instance, we\u2019re talking about abortion service and the availability and accessibility of that for women. But we must not forget the fact that the unborn child has a touch of humanity and humanness about this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThis SOP, in terms of cultural considerations, looking to the wording of it\u2014and I would seek to take another call because it is very lengthy, in fact\u2014talks about \u201C(2) The performance of duties or responsibilities in accordance with \u2026 a responsible organisation [which] must ensure\u201D\u2014and it goes through the detailing of the wellbeing of a woman being the centre of that decision making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ENow, I\u2019ve heard repeatedly before the House, throughout the debates on the first reading, the second reading, and now the committee of the whole House, this is all premised on the woman\u2019s rights\u2014all rights; less responsibility, if any responsibility. So I\u2019m inviting the House and the Minister of Justice, the Minister of Treaty settlements, to factor in the significant place of Treaty rights within our nationscape and this bill around the responsibility with the organisations, the service providers, for abortion treatment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI will refer briefly\u2014and again seek to extend a call if permitted\u2014to the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000. It\u2019s noted that it has as its specific purpose, \u201Cto provide for the public funding and provision of personal health services, public health services, and disability support services,\u201D and, at section 3(1)(b) of that Act, \u201Cto reduce health disparities by improving the health outcomes of M\u0101ori and other population groups:\u201D. That\u2019s a purpose that is under the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000 in relation to the specific provision of healthcare services, which the Abortion Legislation Bill is premised upon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EUnder section 4 of the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000 is the specific section there to do with the Treaty of Waitangi, which states, \u201CIn order to recognise and respect the principles of the Treaty of Waitangi\u201D\u2014to recognise and respect; there\u2019s no mandatory requirement in terms of the inclusion of that with the provision and delivery of services, which is the very point that my SOP is seeking for the inclusion under the Abortion Legislation Bill\u2014\u201Cand with a view to improving health outcomes for M\u0101ori\u201D\u2014and I\u2019ve returned to section 3 again of the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act\u2014\u201CPart 3 provides for mechanisms to enable M\u0101ori to contribute to decision-making on, and to participate in the delivery\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb0c96f981c94ea085f77f96056af044\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry to interrupt the member, but it\u2019s come time for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229921970ce4dc47cb8d7a5a4e0a082bc4\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair, thank you for permitting me to resume the call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EPrior to the dinner break, I was speaking, addressing the committee, on Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 467, in my name, in relation to clause 7, seeking to introduce clause 18. I was speaking to the committee in relation to section 4 under the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000; that section specifically relating to the placement of the Treaty of Waitangi. My contribution to the committee is signalling that under the Abortion Legislation Bill\u2014inviting all members of this committee for the inclusion of cultural considerations, particularly premised on the recognition of the partnership rights and principles under the Treaty of Waitangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI was speaking to the committee around section 4, talking about, in particular, the services that district health boards must provide, as has been detailed under the commentary on the Abortion Legislation Bill, and around the availability of the services. It is my view, in a submission, that there is a compromising of that, absent the SOP issues that I raise. Section 4 is outlining that there is a requirement under the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act for the provision of health services by the district health boards, that there is a view\u2014it\u2019s only a view; there\u2019s nothing mandatory around that\u2014for the improvement of health outcomes for M\u0101ori. Part 3 under the particular New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act also speaks about providing for mechanisms to enable M\u0101ori to contribute to decision making and to participate. There is nothing mandatory within the provisions of the New Zealand Public Health and Disability Act 2000 for the district health boards to factor in more than just consideration or enabling contribution and participation, but the actual equity of access to health services.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ENow, I invite members to look at page 13 of the commentary under the Abortion Legislation Bill, and there\u2019s specific concern that\u2019s outlined there where submissions made to the select committee detailed the inequity of access to abortion services throughout New Zealand. So the very purpose of Supplementary Order Paper 467, that I\u2019m introducing, is inviting all members of the committee and, in particular, the Minister of Justice, who is also the Minister of Treaty settlements, to factor in the due placement and consideration of my Supplementary Order Paper. Although it may be specific in terms of cultural construct and context around addressing the disparity and inequity of M\u0101ori, this is not just specific to M\u0101ori. It is about a M\u0101ori cultural lens and the placement of that that is of benefit for all of those who seek to access the abortion services that are provided, as is outlined in the Abortion Legislation Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EI also reference that when it comes to looking out for, caring, and protecting our vulnerable\u2014and certainly under this bill there is a focus on the woman, and much has been spoken about the woman\u2019s rights\u2014my SOP is about the responsibility of health service providers in the provision of that care. I will invite all members also\u2014when the Government under the Children\u2019s Act of 2014 looked at the strategy for improving children\u2019s wellbeing and an Oranga Tamariki action plan, there is a specific section under section 4A, again, that details the duties of the responsible Minister and the service provision around addressing issues pertaining to principles under the Treaty of Waitangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003ETime is limited. This is a detailed bill. The SOP is to improve the bill. The whole point of my Supplementary Order Paper is inviting all members to consider the improvements that this would give to women accessing abortion services.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022 data-id=\u0022f4eb4da29df24e81b0708172d8fc4943\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f4eb4da29df24e81b0708172d8fc4943\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I wish to take the opportunity to ask the Minister a very simple question. It has arisen from a number of emails that I\u2019ve received from local people in Wairarapa, who I believe are sincerely and genuinely concerned around what they believe is in this bill. Given this is the committee of the whole House stage, I\u2019d like to invite the Minister to address their concerns. Their emails read that they believe that this bill, as it\u2019s written, would allow up-to-birth abortions, with a specific concern around those babies that have been diagnosed with Down syndrome. Now, it\u2019s my view that if this bill allowed that, then I don\u2019t think there\u2019s a single person in this House that would vote for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003EBut given the nature of this debate and the stage that we\u2019re in, we have an opportunity to ask the Minister a very specific question, and that is what I would like to pose to the Minister. Can you please, Minister, take the opportunity to outline to members here tonight, and those that are watching, how that is not the case in the bill as it\u2019s currently written. I believe those who have written to me sincerely and genuinely worried, perhaps they have been informed of this or perhaps this is a conclusion that they have come to themselves, but nevertheless I think that this is a good opportunity, through the parliamentary process, to reassure these people that what they fear is actually not the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022bda3657a1c0e491a8680d834635c4a8a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bda3657a1c0e491a8680d834635c4a8a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I call\u2014um. Let\u2019s have a look.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ff23064a7514e72ae001de802869187\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: Chris Penk.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256503126ae014be9b8fdf621ba5bcc15\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! Simon O\u2019Connor.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022 data-id=\u00224c1b03928afa4c8394aa57f3ad5f19fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224c1b03928afa4c8394aa57f3ad5f19fa\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR (National\u2014T\u0101maki):\u003C/span\u003E Had I had to defer, I probably would have deferred to Greg O\u2019Connor. Look, I just want to make another quick contribution\u2014I suspect before we start hearing attempts to shut the debate down. I might actually come down to the whole Down syndrome thing at the end\u2014obviously, the question\u2019s to the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EBut can I acknowledge those hundreds of people who are writing in, and I certainly sit on the side that does believe\u2014and actually not a belief: knows that this bill does allow abortion up to birth. It\u2019s a fallacy to suggest otherwise. This does allow it. Infrequent\u2014I think the Minister has touched on that. I\u2019m certainly not here suggesting we\u2019re going to see thousands, necessarily. But this bill does allow it; a little similar to another death bill that progressed through this House last year. The meanings that are put through in clause 11 to what are to be the requirements or criteria are meaningless medically and legally. Suggesting that a clinician\u2014who actually doesn\u2019t have to be a doctor, strictly speaking, because it now talks about health practitioner\u2014is to consider, by the way, the gestational age of the fetus, sounds great, but \u201Cconsidering\u201D is not actually an imploration of any nature. So actually I do have concerns for the community at large.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI obviously, and it has been articulated before, have concerns for the babies because as I keep saying, they\u2019re human beings, and I\u2019m a great believer in human rights. I do have real concerns for the Down syndrome community in particular, for two reasons. There are many, many instances, in fact\u2014some of it was noted on The Project last night; I have to say it\u2019s actually good to see the media doing at least one story that actually tries to comprehensively look at this book rather than acting as a tool of propaganda. But they\u2019re saying actually the pressure that\u2019s on parents with Down syndrome children to abort\u2014and I think it\u2019s weird, in the most polite way I can put it, to think that it\u2019s magically going to stop post - 20 weeks. In fact, all it\u2019s going to do is continue\u2014that pressure will now continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI would just ask the Minister if he takes a call\u2014I\u2019d love him to get his officials\u2019 advice and tell me in the last 10 years how many Down syndrome children have been born in Iceland. I think I could count the number on one hand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d3e1cd8622b4cb7825d2f1f34b23ede\u0022\u003EHon Ruth Dyson\u003C/span\u003E: Rubbish!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f3e7e34d66e4ffc81d321f5393a7928\u0022\u003ESIMON O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: And someone says \u201CRubbish!\u201D because everything that Ruth Dyson doesn\u2019t like is rubbish.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ESo then\u2014[Interruption]\u2014and now they get upset. So I invite the Minister to give us a breakdown in recent years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003ELook, very quickly on a couple of points, I won\u2019t be supporting Jan Logie\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 455. [Interruption] You know, I\u2019d just love it if they had that passion for unborn children\u2014what a difference that would make, that little bit of care.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u2019s, we won\u2019t support. Unfortunately, for me it just dehumanises to the nth degree. The SOP even focuses on changing the causes of death. Fundamentally, in her SOP 326, the fact that, actually, the death of a child is to be so ignored that any crime or harm must only focus on the mother is an incredibly dehumanising element. It won\u2019t surprise the member that I won\u2019t support her SOP around women, men, and others\u2014women have babies; that\u2019s a scientific fact, and I\u2019m all for clear conversation there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b6b1d74-9e5e-42ba-a922-85b0ea7f5ab6\u0022\u003EI will just turn my last attention to what was my tabled amendment around children born after abortion. I want to thank and acknowledge the Minister of Justice for coming and, in effect, correcting an earlier statement\u2014that this does happen. Again, this doesn\u2019t happen often, but I would suggest to the committee that just once is conceptually enough. Most abortions at a late stage are successful\u2014it\u2019s what the clinicians want\u2014but it is possible, and it has happened numerous times\u2014again, not saying hundreds\u2014that the child is born; the abortion is, effectively, botched. So it\u2019s a bit of a concern. And I want to make it absolutely clear in this legislation that if a baby is born, it is birthed, that the abortion is botched\u2014it could be a surgical abortion or a chemical abortion\u2014healthcare must be provided to that child. And I want members to allow that to sink in: that if the abortion is botched, all that this amendment is asking is that a doctor or doctors in attendance, or the nurses, if it\u2019s not being done surgically, I\u2019m asking\u2014Madam Chair? [Bell rung]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00221f0fd949a06c401786b90326111e764b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221f0fd949a06c401786b90326111e764b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I hadn\u2019t rung the bell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022010772344be9443193d212a596547601\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022320cf64203754a1093a7cc69cdfdd89f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I call Greg O\u2019Connor. Just before the member starts, can I just remind members that this is a very serious debate, and actually people have quite deeply held views and we should all be respecting one another. And I\u2019ll remind some particular members that they cannot move their seats in order to gain advantage for interjections. And they have particularly loud voices. I call Greg O\u2019Connor.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022be77770d71ee4b9c96d6d950a697bc0b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be77770d71ee4b9c96d6d950a697bc0b\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I rise to speak to my tabled amendment, which relates to section 11 in clause 7 of Part 1, and this is purely about the provision of abortion services to women more than 20 weeks pregnant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EI agree wholeheartedly with the Minister in the chair, the Minister of Justice, who spoke at the beginning, who said this is not a rerun of the abortion debate. Those who are watching who are hoping that this is an opportunity to rerun abortion\u2014they will be disappointed. What this is about\u2014and I agree\u2014is taking it out of the Crimes Act. This is about a provision that was introduced legally in the 1970s and we are now looking at where and what legislation it exists under today. So my amendment speaks purely about the provision of abortion services to women more than 20 weeks pregnant. I fear that without proper criteria, we will end up with a larger number of abortions post - 20 weeks than any of us here intended or thought would happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ENow, somewhat personally, I call this the \u201CMichael clause\u201D. Michael\u2019s the name of my son who is disabled, and we weren\u2019t aware before Michael\u2019s birth that he was disabled. But had we been and had we existed under the proposed provisions, considerable pressure would have come to bear: a little bit of an unspoken pressure on us as parents, on probably the medical people who were advising us that this option would have been\u2014certainly, it was never compulsory, certainly it would have always been a choice, but this is something where, actually, all of a sudden, a pressure would have come on not to bring a child into the world who was somewhat less than perfect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ENow, I\u2019m not opposed to having a provision which allows abortions post - 20 weeks. But the current provisions are far too wide. Simply, if you look at the bill as it\u2019s proposed, new section 11(1) set out in clause 7 states, \u201CA qualified health practitioner may only provide abortion services to a woman who is more than 20 weeks pregnant if the health practitioner reasonably believes that the abortion is clinically appropriate in the circumstances.\u201D That is the criterion. Now, there are considerations. They must consult at least one other qualified health practitioner\u2014consult. They can consult. As we know, consultation is not decision making, and what is consultation? And they must have regard to all relevant legal, professional, ethical standards to which the qualified health practitioner is subject. Well, again, that is the same as any decision any doctor makes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo my amendment to section 11 outlines some relatively simple, but I think safer, criteria that will ensure that where consideration is being given to abortion post - 20 weeks\u2014and there will be occasions when it should be given\u2014there are some relatively simple provisions that should be applied: that the woman is more than 20 weeks pregnant, that there is a risk to the life or of serious harm to the physical or mental health of the woman, and that the fetus is so medically impaired as to be unlikely to survive beyond birth. And they are relatively simple criteria, but it just ensures that there will actually be some consideration there beyond simply\u2014and I have to say there is some very subjective terminology around what is appropriate in the circumstances\u2014\u201Cif the health practitioner reasonably believes that the abortion is clinically appropriate in the circumstances.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo I would encourage those members in the committee, anyone who is watching, to actually look seriously at this provision because it will simply give the reassurance that many\u2014my colleague from the Wairarapa Kieran McAnulty just spoke of some of the emails he\u2019s getting. We are all being inundated with emails. And these are good people. People who are opposed to this are not bad; these are people who genuinely understand and believe in what they\u2019re doing. But what they want is some reassurance, particularly beyond 20 weeks. And please, I would ask those members present in the Chamber or considering their vote to look at section 11 and my tabled amendment, which is simply putting some safety criteria that will ensure that those considering abortion after 20 weeks are guided by this committee and what they should consider. Thank you, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u002210d49c3e844c43dba5bd5704be0e78e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002210d49c3e844c43dba5bd5704be0e78e7\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019ll take the opportunity to respond to the last few speakers, but I\u2019ll start with my colleague Greg O\u2019Connor, who spoke just now in relation to his amendment. I understand the point he\u2019s making. I think, following the Law Commission\u2019s consideration\u2014and they put up the options, and we drafted up a bill, and the Abortion Legislation Committee considered it\u2014it was very clear from the submissions received and the deliberations by the select committee they wanted that gestational threshold of 20 weeks to require a stricter test than had originally been intended, for the reasons, I think, that Mr O\u2019Connor talked about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThey are that at 20 weeks it is a very serious decision. That said, the women who are making the decision know that. Women at 20 weeks don\u2019t feel they are called upon to make that decision on a whim. They are called upon to confront that judgment because of their own health and, potentially, the health of the fetus. So it\u2019s a situation that women don\u2019t want to be in, and, typically, it is a wanted pregnancy, but a crisis has emerged in their pregnancy. So I think we all get the significance and the seriousness of the situation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe problem with Mr O\u2019Connor\u2019s amendment and his proposed amendments in clause 7 of the bill in proposed new section 11 is that it creates a set of criteria that are more restrictive than the current legislation and, arguably, even more restrictive than that proposed by Agnes Loheni. So he requires that the woman has to be more than 20 weeks pregnant, and there is a risk to the life or serious harm to the physical or mental health of the woman, and the fetus is so medically impaired as to be unlikely to survive beyond birth, and it is appropriate to carry out the birth in order to avert the risk\u2014it refers to \u201Cthe\u201D risk but there are multiple risks referred to. So that would suggest that the woman might be seriously compromised but if the fetus is not so seriously compromised, then the woman\u2019s life is to be expended. Conversely, if the fetus is severely compromised but the woman is not subject to serious physical harm or mental health, then the pregnancy must continue to term. That\u2019s what that provision means, Mr O\u2019Connor, and I can\u2019t support it and I won\u2019t be supporting it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ELet me start with Paulo Garcia and his contribution in support of Supplementary Order Paper 466 and the references to \u201Ccultural background\u201D. The same applies, I think, to the remarks made by Melissa Lee in support of her Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 459\u2014actually, it might be her other SOP. In fact, it might not be Melissa Lee at all. In fact, I think it is Harete Hipango in her SOP 467. In relation to both of those that call upon the medical practitioners to take account of cultural considerations\u2014or, in the case of Harete Hipango\u2019s SOP, the Treaty of Waitangi\u2014I just say that that is entirely inappropriate in a consultation between a woman of whatever ethnic background consulting with her medical practitioner on an abortion. The only considerations that apply are her health and, possibly, the health of the fetus, depending on what the circumstances are. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt is not relevant to the determination that that woman and her medical professional have to make that the community from which that woman comes has a set of cultural considerations that may counter her decision. That\u2019s not relevant, and we should not be legislating for that, because that is to undermine the autonomy of women in those circumstances, and that is not something that this House should countenance. It cuts across basic human rights that are enshrined in our human rights legislation and, indeed, in our New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, and we should not countenance it. I reject those two SOPs. I reject them strongly, and I invite the rest of the committee to do so. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EAgnes Loheni referred to her SOP 460. She talked about recognition of the rights of the unborn child, and I know there\u2019s the language of the \u201Cunborn child\u201D. Abortions that take place before nine weeks, or even before 12 weeks, do not entail an unborn child. It is not an unborn child, and I reject the language of that\u2014that this somehow is a debate about unborn children. It is about women making a decision early in their pregnancy and being able to do so safely and properly. I reject Agnes Loheni\u2019s arguments, and indeed the arguments of others who have said, including Simon O\u2019Connor, that the criteria set out in proposed section 11, in clause 7 of the bill, are somehow meaningless. They are not. They are very clear about the post - 20 week decision on abortion that a woman takes with her medical practitioner, and so they refer to a qualified health practitioner only providing abortion services to a woman who is more than 20 weeks \u201Cif the health practitioner reasonably believes that the abortion is clinically appropriate\u201D. That does have meaning. There\u2019s got to be a medical basis to it. It has to meet clinical criteria. I go back to the points I\u2019ve already made about the standards to which our health professionals now must conduct themselves as way different and way beyond anything that prevailed 40 years ago. It is different. Those standards are set, they are articulated, they are accessible to the public, and they are enforced by professional organisations as well as the Health and Disability Commissioner. So there is meaning attached to that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThen, in considering whether the abortion is clinically appropriate, there\u2019s a set of circumstances that a health practitioner has to take into account having consulted at least one other health practitioner\u2014and that would be standard anyway; by 20 weeks, this is a surgical procedure, and health professionals are consulting colleagues and others. They have to do so, and they have to have regard to the \u201Crelevant legal, professional, and ethical standards\u201D to which they are subject. Those are clear as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThis is something new\u2014or reasonably modern\u2014in the last 20 or 25 years: the idea that health practitioners not only have standards but can be held to account for them. We possibly have the Cartwright Inquiry into National Women\u2019s Hospital to thank for that. But that is the way the medical profession operates. I know medical professionals who, at some point in their medical professional career, are terrified at the standards that they are held to\u2014or some of the older ones anyway, because they never expected that when they entered the profession. It is a good thing for consumers of health services that we now have that in New Zealand, and the same will apply to women seeking an abortion. So, in addition to those relevant legal, professional, and ethical standards, the health practitioner has to consider the woman\u2019s physical health, mental health, overall wellbeing, and the gestational age of the fetus. That threshold does mean something. It has to mean something, and it has to be taken into account. So I reject those who submit that that is somehow meaningless. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI know that Agnes Loheni rejects Jan Logie\u2019s SOP calling for, effectively, going to option A of the Law Commission report. I have to agree with her on that because I know that the process we\u2019ve gone through, in terms of dealing with parties in Parliament as well as the select committee, is that we\u2019ve arrived at the framework that we\u2019ve got, which is, basically, option C of the Law Commission\u2019s report but modified to take account of other considerations. So I simply acknowledge that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ETo Melissa Lee, who raised her SOP 459 and sex selection or disability discrimination, I simply say that that is already taken account of. The sex selection issue is taken account of by an expressed statement in the bill, and issues of any suggestion that a woman would be seeking an abortion on those sorts of grounds\u2014that is for health professionals subject to their relevant legal, ethical, and professional obligations to deal with. But what we also cannot legislate for is a situation where those health professionals are called upon to exercise their own prejudices in relation to various ethnicities in order to do so, and I reject that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the contribution from Nikki Kaye and from Louisa Wall. I\u2019ve spoken to Harete Hipango\u2019s SOP, and I have nothing further to say about that. In answer to Kieran McAnulty\u2019s question he raised about the communications he is receiving about whether the bill will allow up-to-birth abortion\u2014no, it won\u2019t; there\u2019s no such thing as abortion at birth. Let\u2019s have a look at the figures. The number of abortions after 20 weeks is a very, very minuscule amount. The number at 22 weeks is an even more minuscule amount. Abortions, typically, do not take place after 24 weeks. There is no such thing as full-term abortion. In relation to Down syndrome, again, the health professional advising the woman is subject to all of those legal, professional, and other considerations before giving that advice. The critical criteria are the woman\u2019s mental health and physical health and wellbeing and indeed, if it comes to the distress of the fetus, the status of the fetus as well. Those are the considerations that apply. That\u2019s what must be taken into account. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve dealt with Simon O\u2019Connor\u2019s issues, and I\u2019ve dealt with Greg O\u2019Connor\u2019s issues. I see there is another tabled amendment from Greg O\u2019Connor relating to proposed section 11. In the remaining seconds, I\u2019ll have a quick read of it, and I see that it proposes \u201Cthere is a risk to life\u201D. It now introduces the alternative\u2014the \u201Cor\u201D. It is a skimpied-down version; however, I reject it for reasons I\u2019ve already articulated. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed33ac72372d4f6a9ebb070487a73ca6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed33ac72372d4f6a9ebb070487a73ca6\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u2019CONNOR (Minister of Agriculture):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I rise in support of my cousin\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper\u2014not because of my second name at all. I have been in this House for some time, and this is the first time I have spoken on abortion legislation. Before, everyone had considered me somewhat of a conservative. This time, and when this bill was introduced, I voted for it to go to the select committee and be considered. I have to say that, in the many years I\u2019ve been in here, the one thing that has pleased me is to see abortion numbers go down from 18,000, which was the case last time we debated this legislation, now to 13,000. So by, I guess, a reasonable measure, you would say that the legislation is good. My heart goes out to any woman who faces that terrible dilemma of considering abortion. I would never, in this House, on this legislation, point a finger in any direction. We are all entitled to our views. We all are brought up in different ways and have different values, and every time you point a finger, there are three pointing back at oneself. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EWe talk and we hear a lot about rights, and that does concern me because responsibilities go with rights, and I don\u2019t often hear the term \u201Cresponsibilities\u201D used when this debate is in this House. I have responsibilities as a member of Parliament, and when it comes to a conscience vote, it\u2019s to uphold my views and my values and my conscience\u2014and I\u2019ve done that all the way through. I am here to support the rights and advocate for the responsibilities of any New Zealander, of any age, of any gender, of any ethnicity, of any religious belief. I\u2019m not standing here as a Catholic, although I\u2019m proud of my values that have been formed around that Church. But I\u2019m not here in the way that many are, in somewhat of a righteous way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EI receive emails on this piece of legislation\u2014and I have done on the euthanasia bill\u2014and I just welcome and invite those same people to send me emails when it comes to support for solo mothers or when it comes to support for special education for the children who are born and who need extra care. Dare I suggest that there\u2019s some hypocrisy in being absolutely righteous about things prior to birth or close to death and not being very righteous when it comes to the responsibilities of looking after New Zealanders through their life? Each and every New Zealander\u2014regardless of where they\u2019re born, regardless of their parents\u2019 position\u2014should have opportunities to a good life. We don\u2019t always advocate as strongly for that as we do for things around abortion and around euthanasia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EI have a responsibility, as a Minister, for animal welfare. During this debate, from the time that this bill was introduced, I was confronted with an issue and a bit of advice that said that I had to consider zebrafish eggs of four days of age and the possibility that they are sentient. Sentience is a definition applied to animals which says they have feelings, and we have a responsibility, as a civilised nation, to uphold sentience and the rights of animals\u2014and that\u2019s my role. I struggle with a piece of legislation that doesn\u2019t recognise the rights, I guess, of a fetus. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EWe got rid of inductions in cows because we consider it abhorrent that we would force cows to abort, because it has an impact\u2014obviously, it kills the calf\u2014and perhaps an impact on the cows. I\u2019m not a vet and I\u2019m not one to make judgments other than now receiving a bit of advice that says perhaps we have to look at a code of welfare for four-day-old zebrafish eggs shocked me into a position of thinking if we pass a piece of legislation about the rights of individuals, but without the responsibilities to a fetus\u2014and I\u2019m not making a judgment on 12 weeks or 14 weeks or 20 weeks; I realised it\u2019s a medical dilemma in there, and I\u2019m not stepping away from that\u2014but I have to say that there\u2019s an inconsistency creeping in to our consideration of life and our responsibility to New Zealanders when we consider\u2014or we\u2019ve been asked to consider\u2014sentience and the rights of animals, but we turn our back on the rights and the responsibilities to care for a fetus. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022 data-id=\u00227bbc007a90f64db78df4c11a732224e1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227bbc007a90f64db78df4c11a732224e1\u0022\u003EIAN McKELVIE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E Well, it\u2019s an interesting thing to follow three O\u2019Connors, and I\u2019ll put the Scottish Presbyterian view because clearly they don\u2019t share the same view I do. I suppose in a funny way it\u2019s a privilege to take a call on what I\u2019ve probably found in my time in this building the most difficult bill I\u2019ve had to deal with. I want to congratulate, firstly, the Minister on bringing this and promoting it in the manner he has, because I think he\u2019s considered it extremely well. I voted for this bill at first reading and second reading with some very strong concerns about it, I guess, and those concerns have been recognised in the course of some of the Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) that have been presented right now, and I just want to talk about those SOPs briefly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI want to talk firstly about Agnes Loheni\u2019s SOP that she\u2019s introduced to the committee, and I think that it deals with an issue that concerns me greatly, and that\u2019s the way we manage the abortion beyond 20 weeks. That concerned me in my first reading speech. The Minister has addressed that, and I\u2019m not sure that we\u2019ll ever know whether we\u2019re right or wrong on this issue. It\u2019s a very tricky issue; it\u2019s a difficult issue to deal with. And Greg O\u2019Connor has introduced an SOP which takes the attitude a little differently to that point of view, and I support his SOP as well. So, at the end of the day, you can\u2019t support all this stuff, but I think we\u2019ve got to make a judgment on this that gets us out the other end, so that we\u2019re confident that we\u2019ve gone in the right space on it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI wasn\u2019t going to comment on Damien O\u2019Connor\u2019s speech, but it\u2019s a very interesting point because I think it is a very different issue between the issue he was talking about and my view of this, which is primarily to preserve the rights of a woman to deal with things as she sees fit. I\u2019d have to say I\u2019m no judge of this and I don\u2019t pretend to be a judge of it\u2014I would get into a great deal of difficulty or trouble if I ever thought I knew what I was talking about with respect to that\u2014but I do think that this is all about a person\u2019s right to be what she or he wants to be in life and to deal with things that challenge them in a manner that allows life to move on and the world to get on in a manner that that is best for us all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI want to make a very important point here, because I think that we\u2019ve failed historically in New Zealand to manage the issues that would have prevented us from ever having to pass this bill. I think that\u2019s a challenge that we can\u2019t deal with. We\u2019ve clearly tried many times to deal with that challenge and we\u2019ve failed. So I think that the alternative is to put in place a bill that manages the situation that humanity has been unable to manage, frankly. I think that\u2019s the greatest challenge we\u2019ve got in this House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EA couple of other things I want to deal with, with respect to SOPs. One is Darroch Ball\u2019s SOP, which, frankly, I think is typical New Zealand First\u2014dodge the issue and put it out there. The interesting thing about that is that, if you\u2019ve listened to the debate in this House over the last two readings and this debate tonight, the issues that we\u2019ve had to deal with as members of Parliament\u2014and I\u2019ve certainly been removed from it from the perspective of being on the select committee and things\u2014are hugely complex and very complicated, and I think the Minister\u2019s gone to great lengths to explain that. But for the people out there to understand the issues that he\u2019s had to deal with, and that this House has to deal with, is almost impossible. So I think to put it out there for the public to make a judgment on issues that we\u2019ve had to deal with\u2014hugely technical, very complicated, and very controversial\u2014is extraordinarily irresponsible of this House. We\u2019re put here to make the difficult decisions in life for people. We\u2019re given the tools to do it with and we\u2019re given extraordinary resource to make sure we understand it. So I\u2019ve got to oppose that SOP on the basis that I think it\u2019s not the proper way to go about business, and I don\u2019t think we should do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003ESo the other couple of SOPs I wanted to talk about very briefly\u2014one which concerns me and has, I guess, been an important part of my life, and that\u2019s the Down syndrome issue, which has been highly publicised in the last couple of days. I think, again, that\u2019s a very challenging issue for a mother to have to confront, for a family to have to confront. I think that\u2014given the explanation the Minister has given us tonight and the position we\u2019ll probably end up at on that\u2014it\u2019s too difficult to deal with, frankly, and I think that the bill deals with it in a manner that\u2019s probably the best way we can deal with it. I think, knowing what I know about Down syndrome kids, it would be a massive privilege to have a child who had Down syndrome, because they\u2019re extraordinary people. Not everyone thinks like that, and that\u2019s an issue we\u2019ve got to deal with. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EA couple of other things\u2014very briefly because I haven\u2019t got long to go. I wanted to talk very quickly about David Seymour\u2019s SOP, 464, because I frankly think that if we\u2019ve got a bill, we\u2019re confident, and we can pass, it should pass on its merits, and the world should face it on its merits. And so, in an odd way, I support the SOP of David Seymour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003ESo that\u2019s the issues I wanted to deal with. You could talk for hours on this. It\u2019s an extremely difficult topic to deal with, and I think that we\u2019re in the best space we could get to in this Chamber. I\u2019m sure the results of these discussions will get us where we want to be. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u002205efcf94df87489e968cf648d452addd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205efcf94df87489e968cf648d452addd\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, and can I thank the Minister in the chair, the Hon Andrew Little, for highlighting the mistake I\u2019d actually made in my amendment? It was a mistake, and it just shows for those watching that this political process, the committee of the whole House, is actually a very good process. It is designed to make sure that the legislation that goes forward from here to its third reading has gone through the sort of scrutiny that it should do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m pleased that the Minister actually did point it out and I now have a new tabled amendment\u2014which, can I just make clear to those here, we\u2019re talking about \u201Cor\u201D, not \u201Cand\u201D. So where a woman is able to avail herself of an abortion over 20 weeks, provided the woman is more than 20 weeks pregnant and either there is a risk to the life, or of serious harm to the physical and mental health of the woman, or the fetus is so medically impaired as to be unlikely to survive beyond birth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EAgain, as I said in my first speech, I\u2019d invite those listening to think about this and to just think about that we are now dealing with the issue around the mental and physical health of the mother, which is important; it is what we\u2019re here to do and what we should be talking about. But we are also addressing those concerns that much of the correspondence we\u2019ve received is about, which are those of: what is\u2014let\u2019s face it\u2014a viable human being? Generally, around 22 weeks. We\u2019re talking about a period between 20, 22, and 23 weeks, but we\u2019re well aware now of cases where there are children who are born at 22 and 23 weeks who survive and thrive. So it was always going to be a certain amount of arbitrariness among those who designed this bill. I know there was considerable debate about 22, 20 weeks. I know in overseas jurisdictions\u2014I was speaking to some Australian colleagues tonight, and we were talking about the different states over there haven\u2019t been able to settle on 22, 24, and 20 weeks. So there is that period we are talking about, around about that 20 to 25 weeks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EAgain, can I implore those who believe that this is a debate on abortion to bring your minds down closer to what the real issue is, because the issue you think you\u2019re debating, if you\u2019re debating abortion per se\u2014that\u2019s not what we\u2019re debating here. We are debating now about\u2014and certainly as part of my amendment\u2014post - 20 weeks, and what the criteria should be before someone can avail themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EI think we can actually come together much more as a country. I believe that those emails we\u2019re receiving, if people actually really seriously thought about this and we agreed, and it will take a certain amount of agreement, that the viability of a fetus, the viability of a child, is around the time where a debate should be\u2014that\u2019s where this debate should be. I know there\u2019ll be those saying that, no, it should be\u2014and even my cousin talked about that stage of two, four days. I think we\u2019ve matured enough as a society and the debate is mature enough that we can just bring it down, and I\u2019d ask those who are going to be voting tonight and those listening to this post - 20 weeks and just give our electorates, those out there who have the concerns\u2014I think, with the inclusion of this amendment, we can give some of that security. We can give some of that reassurance that my colleague\u2014again, I refer to my colleague Kieran McAnulty\u2014talked about, with all those emails we\u2019re receiving. That\u2019s what we also want to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s not just a matter of being dogmatic here. We have so many different things as MPs, but one of the things is we actually all want to do the right thing by our constituents, and that\u2019s what we\u2019ll be doing. Those who are on the polar sides of this debate, let\u2019s just see if we can find a little bit of middle ground that will actually bring this together. I\u2019m going to ask people in this Chamber who are going to be voting, or those who may be even considering their proxy vote, to have a good look at this amendment of mine. I believe it might just arrive us in the place where we will all go back to our electorates, back to our offices, and while we won\u2019t keep everyone happy, we will reassure many more people than we would if we stick to our polarised positions on this bill. Thank you, Madam Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u00220acc65093eb04cfd8a3e32d0666ae084\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220acc65093eb04cfd8a3e32d0666ae084\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. There\u2019s a few Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) I\u2019m hoping I can cover off in this contribution now, but, firstly, I do just want to clear up that in a previous speech I gave the statistics of one in four women in this country having experienced an abortion. That was challenged by the member Agnes Loheni saying that that was just not true. Well, actually, it\u2019s in the Law Commission\u2019s report, at chapter 2, page 31. They cite research that women born in 1972 and 1973\u2014they found that one in four had had an abortion, and the Abortion Supervisory Committee states that around 30 percent of women have had an abortion in this country. This is verified data. I am not making things up in this debate. This is the reality in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EBefore I get on to the SOPs, but also just talking about some of the tone around some of the debate, we have had quite a few people opposing the legislation on faith grounds, and I respect that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI also do just want to share what a member of my electorate in her Facebook post this evening\u2014because I think it applies to all of our communities\u2014said: \u201CAs a Samoan woman, we\u2019re not encouraged to talk about these things, but I have to because the silence of this is deafening. I\u2019ve sat with young, vulnerable Pacific women who made this choice because of a circumstance they felt they couldn\u2019t control. I\u2019ve taken them to counsellors who have helped them through the tough times because of a decision that they know will be with them for life. I\u2019ve also heard the stories of young Pacific women who had their pregnancies, gave birth in bathrooms, and left their babies in dumpsters. Sadly, there are also those who are not here to share this pain. Then there is this truth. There are daughters, sisters, mothers, and friends that may have experienced this and you don\u2019t and will never know because it becomes their shame that they carry.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThat relates to this legislation and my advocacy for option A, because at the heart of option A is removing the stigma and enabling people to talk about their accessing of healthcare needs, as so many women are doing, but are living with shame because we stigmatise this and pretend it\u2019s not happening. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI also would like to speak to three amendments\u2014specifically, Marama Davidson\u2019s SOP 474 to improve the safe zone provisions from the existing legislation. I want to say that I don\u2019t see this as a freedom of expression debate. I see this as how we can prevent a specific form of harassment that is proven to cause harm. We\u2019ve got really, really strong evidence of that harm. It\u2019s not about protesting; it is about intimidation and harassment and the fact that our current settings, as I\u2019ve seen in some communities where there have been attempts to get councils to pass bylaws, where there\u2019s been the attempts to get the police to enforce harassment laws, when women have come to others and are saying that they\u2019re feeling really harmed by these approaches, and nobody would intervene\u2014and my concern is that criminalising is too high a threshold. We\u2019re not going to get the police intervening when they think it\u2019s going to criminalise people. So this is a compromise in terms of setting up an infringement process, and I think it balances freedom of speech and having an active vehicle to prevent harassment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to speak to my SOP 455. I\u2019ve been getting some flak for this amendment, which is to change the language from the legislation that just refers to \u201Cwoman\u201D to talk about \u201Cpregnant woman and other pregnant people\u201D. But I do just want to say that we were presented with evidence from trans men who are or who have been pregnant, who recounted to us the barriers that they\u2019ve encountered in reality, in life, accessing maternity services. Just adding these simple additional words in this piece of legislation would help remove those actual barriers to decent healthcare that people are experiencing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ETo many in this House, this may be the first they\u2019ve heard of trans men having babies, but let me assure you, it happens\u2014and non-binary people as well. This is something that not many people are aware of, but there\u2019s a growing number of people who are coming out. The Youth 2000 survey of 2012 found that 4 percent of young people either identified as trans or were unsure of their gender. If we\u2019re going to futureproof our legislation, let\u2019s do this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022 data-id=\u0022348a4c8cbc994d55822e178335aca3a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022348a4c8cbc994d55822e178335aca3a8\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY (Junior Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022 data-id=\u00229de85caad0ef42d8812c8b14cc21b44e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229de85caad0ef42d8812c8b14cc21b44e\u0022\u003ELOUISA WALL (Labour\u2014Manurewa): \u003C/span\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Chair. Actually, I\u2019ll pick up from where my colleague Jan Logie left off. I support Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 455, and I think the question is why do \u201Cwoman\u201D and \u201Cother person\u201D and \u201Cpregnant woman or other pregnant person\u201D actually matter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI managed to find, like I always do, a nice little definition from the European Parliament which was published in 2018. It says this: \u201CGender-neutral language is a generic term, covering the use of non-sexist language, inclusive language, or gender-fair language.\u201D, and the purpose of this gender-neutral language is \u201Cto avoid word choices which may be interpreted as biased, discriminatory or demeaning by implying that one sex or social gender is the norm. Using gender-fair and inclusive language \u2026 helps [to] reduce gender stereotyping, promotes social change and contributes to achieving gender equality.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s why this SOP matters, and it\u2019s up to us whether we think it\u2019s relevant. We may say it\u2019s PC BS, but, actually, for some people this helps them feel included in society because we\u2019ve named them and acknowledged them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI want to speak and acknowledge my mate Greg O\u2019Connor, because I know that his contribution tonight is because he loves his son Michael, his 27-year-old son. I also want to acknowledge Colleen and Barry Brown, whose 40-year-old son Trav\u2014he\u2019s a Down syndrome boy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo some of the issues we\u2019ve had about this post - 20 weeks, I\u2019d just like to give us some statistics. I do have to thank Dr Helen Paterson, who\u2019s a gynaecologist, obstetrician, and surgeon. She performs a lot of abortions over 20 weeks. So we know that 89 percent of abortions in New Zealand are performed before 13 weeks. In 37 percent of those abortions, the women actually were using contraception and the contraception failed. Forty percent of pregnancies in New Zealand are unplanned, and I guess the size of these unplanned, unwanted, could be encapsulated as part of the total number of abortions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EFrom the 21st week, which everybody has been talking about this evening, there\u2019s actually been 56\u201456 of 13,282 in 2018. Why? Well, 75 percent were because of congenital abnormalities. Those abnormalities are trisomy-21, which is Down syndrome; they are trisomy-18, which is Edwards syndrome; and they are trisomy-13, which is Patau syndrome. Now, the reality is that parents can have these tests. At 14 weeks, you have a blood test and you have a scan, and also at 20 weeks there\u2019s a blood test. We provide this information to parents, and we have done so in New Zealand since 2004 so that parents can make a decision, an informed choice, about whether they want to continue with the pregnancy. In 8.3 percent it is maternal conditions, and we heard from the Cavanaghs. I wasn\u2019t at the Abortion Legislation Committee but, actually, this is about mothers who may die. That\u2019s why they have abortions\u2014because if they don\u2019t have them, the mothers will die. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EThe big statistic that I want to leave the committee with before I finish my contribution is that 22 abortions happen for children under the age of 15 years. For 62 fifteen-year-olds in New Zealand in 2018, 74 percent of those children had parents involved in the decision about whether to have an abortion. And this is the cracker, everybody: in 25 percent, the father of the baby that has been aborted is the child\u2019s father. So we\u2019re actually talking about incest. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003ESo that is the reality, and I will take this opportunity to share one of those case studies. It was a 12-year-old girl who presented at the 28th week, and the doctors decided that actually the baby was healthy and happy, but for the 12-year-old child the trauma of having a baby resulted in an abortion. So, based on the statistics, they\u2019re the nine outside of the 75 percent congenital abnormalities and the 8.3 percent maternal conditions. So that\u2019s what we\u2019re really talking about, ladies and gentlemen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b4a597dd-ed8b-42b8-975b-40c6e0cdaee1\u0022\u003EI would have thought that we would empower our medical practitioners\u2014those who are actually performing these abortions\u2014to do what is in the best interests of the mother, the pregnant person, and that we have faith and trust in them. Kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb13e25be7da4f7090fc70ac4f0c72ec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb13e25be7da4f7090fc70ac4f0c72ec\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I wasn\u2019t going to take a second call, but I felt, just with some of the comments that were made, especially by Jan Logie just in regards to, I suppose, some of the cultural considerations for Pacific\u2014and she made some comments in there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003ESo my Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 466 particularly talks about cultural considerations. I know that the Minister of Justice has commented on them and he\u2019s talked about the fact that the Treaty of Waitangi and other issues like that are not relevant to this case because an individual is an individual. I\u2019d like to remind the Minister\u2014and I want to commend him because up in Waitangi, his kaik\u014Drero on the paepae was something to be acknowledged, and I do acknowledge him for that. But, see, it\u2019s one thing to be able to speak on the paepae; it\u2019s another thing to understand the culture and the understanding of the culture. The cultural consideration here is not about the fact of the rights of the individual; it\u2019s about the issue of\u2014and we talk about tino rangatiratanga, self-determination, but whakawhanaungatanga is also about the aspect of the collective, communal support. See, what I\u2019d like the Minister to understand is that when we talk about cultural considerations, it\u2019s not just about the Treaty; it\u2019s the understanding about the cultural construct that wraps around that person, and the reasons why, at the moment, there\u2019s an element of shame for a number of those. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve been involved in cases, whether it be family members or those in the community, where I\u2019ve seen the shame. I have to say to the member Jan Logie and the incidences that she\u2019s given, you know, just to make it more accessible and more liberal does not deal with the issue. The issue is the connectedness and a sense of belonging to wh\u0101nau and to family, as to the reasons why they weren\u2019t able to. So the member can talk about that and give these instances, but making it more liberal will not deal with the issue. It may help in some instances, right? But here\u2019s the truth of it: wouldn\u2019t we all want them to be reconnected back to the love and the care and the sense of belonging in wh\u0101nau and family? That\u2019s what we\u2019re talking about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EWhen we\u2019re talking about this cultural consideration, I wanted to read to the Minister from this submission that was made by the New Zealand Nurses Organisation, which, by the way, do support the bill and the reforms. However, they make a proviso in their submission. On page 6, they declare this: \u201CThese rights include [need to have] access to a health system that has culturally competent health professionals to provide [a] quality care that best supports the client\u201D. Minister, what we are talking about there is not whether you can quote the articles of the Treaty; what we are talking about is understanding the cultural constructs here. It may be M\u0101ori, it could be Pacific, and there are a number of others that are there, but if we don\u2019t have people who are appropriate, who are skilled and able, then we miss the point altogether. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EMaking it more accessible, making it more affordable, and making it more liberal won\u2019t deal with the heart of the issue for, often, a number of these young women, and all the incidences that Louisa Wall has actually shared with us tonight, because it comes from a place of brokenness. That brokenness will not be solved by the fact of making things more liberal. Hence the reasons why I seriously put towards the Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022243f68a08482440a864b622506d21f53\u0022\u003EHon David Parker\u003C/span\u003E: The incest has already occurred. How do you fix that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5ae6e6ef0304386a7aa7ca9da625219\u0022\u003EHon ALFRED NGARO\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014cultural consideration, which is about having the appropriate\u2014Mr Parker, you might want to listen to this\u2014people who have the skills and the ability to deal with that. That\u2019s what we\u2019re talking about. That\u2019s what was in the submission and many other submissions. Do we have that consideration? We do that in other Acts, we do that in the health system already, and now we\u2019re going to have one of the most contentious issues in places where there is brokenness, and often there is shame, and you cannot consider to have people who are skilled enough to deal with that? I have to say that would be a shame. That would be a shame on this Parliament that we could not consider that issue\u2014we could not consider that issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EThe Minister made a comment about that and in regards to, actually, the SOP that David Seymour put forward\u2014SOP 406. He made this comment, and, as he said, it\u2019s an old adage: \u201CThe absence of evidence does not mean there\u2019s the evidence in that absence\u201D. I want to tell the Minister: when he first commissioned the Law Commission, there were no conditions to talk about in a regulatory impact report as to the reasons why we were amending or changing the law\u2014there was an absence of that. Instead, what did we do? It was already predetermined politically that this was going to happen. So I have to say to the Minister: you cannot turn around and say there\u2019s a lack of evidence, when there was no evidence right at the start as to reasons why we should change this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022695678cf-542a-4616-9e0a-86990caec192\u0022\u003EI come to this point: people can stand up in this Chamber and quote these different issues that are relevant, stories of those that are there, but this bill as it currently is will not heal the brokenness or the shame that often isn\u2019t considered in there that the mother, the wh\u0101nau, and the family need to heal themselves. Those are the reasons why I commend this SOP to the committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022a5768bc049b8401eb8ba78c58d9713e9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a5768bc049b8401eb8ba78c58d9713e9\u0022\u003EHon MAGGIE BARRY (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Remind me again why this bill is needed. We were told that this Government bill emerged from a policy decision from the Government, an idea conceived to apparently decriminalise women who had abortions by removing it from the Crimes Act and by making it a health issue. Many of us felt, \u201CFair enough.\u201D But why do we really need to have new legislation to do that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EThe Crimes Act already specifically excludes women from liability for having an unlawful abortion, and women are not criminalised now for accessing abortion services. No woman, indeed, has ever been criminalised in the 40 years that this supposedly inadequate law has been around. I contest, therefore, it is fit for modern purpose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EBut if women are uncomfortable about this, and many of us in this House are motivated to see that the right thing is done, then why not take a review\u2014the sort of review that could be done by the royal commission? A straightforward amendment to the Contraception, Sterilisation, and Abortion Act, section 44, would achieve that aim of removing criminality for the woman. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EBut this is a bill that goes so much further than just shifting it across into a health issue, because it decriminalises women but it also decriminalises abortion. Many of us in this House and many people who have written and talked to me about this are deeply uneasy about the later-term abortions, and, you know, this is a bill that significantly expands the criteria for abortion after 20 weeks and does go so far as to repeal criminal sanctions against any health practitioners who provide an unlawful abortion. So decriminalising abortion and doing later-term ones are things that do not sit easily with many of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI am particularly worried about the provisions for making decisions about terminating a child\u2019s life in the terms of this bill. It\u2019s unenforceable and there is no genuine\u2014it\u2019s hard to imagine the circumstances in which an abortion would not be allowed. Let\u2019s put it this way. As others have pointed out\u2014and I refer to Melissa Lee\u2019s contribution and her Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 459\u2014there are potentially grounds for discrimination on the basis of the gender of the fetus and also whether the child has a disability, because taking it beyond 20 weeks means that the ability to determine whether a child has a disability is far more apparent. The provisions that she set out in her SOP to provide a certificate confirming that the doctors \u201Care of the reasonable opinion, formed in good faith, that the unborn child is affected by a condition that is likely to lead to the death of the unborn child either before or within 28 days of birth.\u201D spells it out very carefully, I think. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EOthers have mentioned, you know, the Downright Discrimination NZ submission that has come before us, that Down syndrome children will be actively discriminated against and aborted before they are even born. I believe that, again, SOP 459 in the name of Melissa Lee does provide some safeguards there. Downright Discrimination, which represents not only the wh\u0101nau but also the people living with Down syndrome themselves, point out that in jurisdictions such as Victoria in Australia, where they changed the law 12 years ago, there has been a dramatic increase in the number of children who are aborted between 20 weeks and birth. The data shows that since 2008, there have been 1,685 abortions of babies specifically with a disability. So the idea that later-term pregnancies at the moment, under the current law, will not increase\u2014I think if you look across the Tasman and look at what\u2019s available there, then you will find that there are ample measures and ample room for worry that this will occur here in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022736a5c0b-8df3-4047-ba26-632ba2798b4c\u0022\u003EI agree also with the amendment in the name of Greg O\u2014Greg O\u2019Connor. I did nearly choke on that one, but I do support your amendment, Greg. I think that it is something that has been a careful consideration around trying to come to terms with the unease in this House about having more than 20 weeks allowable and freed up for abortions. I think that the two medical specialist practitioners that are spelt out in your amendment who can determine whether there\u2019s risk to life or of serious harm to the physical or mental health, and also if the child is impaired\u2014that there should be something done about it. I\u2019d like the Minister in the chair, the Hon Andrew Little, to answer this question, and it\u2019s been skirted around. When does life begin, Minister: at conception, at birth, at 20 weeks\u2014for those of us who\u2019ve felt the kick, who\u2019ve seen the heartbeat? Where does it start? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca527593da924b3a93f1203e6d4ff485\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca527593da924b3a93f1203e6d4ff485\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I\u2019ll just briefly make a couple of comments in response to two earlier speeches. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThe question is not whether we like abortion. The question is not when life begins. The question is not are we particularly disturbed by the idea of abortion to select sex or to even discriminate against people with disability. Those aren\u2019t the questions. The question in this House is what the law should be. It\u2019s incumbent on those who want the law to be State intervention in abortion to show that the intervention will achieve the outcomes they seek\u2014that it will reduce abortion and that it will reduce discriminatory abortion\u2014and, in fact, there is no evidence, anywhere in the world, that it does. There is great evidence that it stigmatises, criminalises, and inconveniences women in discriminatory ways. That\u2019s what the evidence is. So let\u2019s stop getting up, peacocking, parading, and saying how righteous we are and how terrible it is\u2014we know that. Everyone knows that. The question is what the law should be and how effective the law is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI just say, in support of Jan Logie, that she claimed that a quarter of women have had an abortion, and she was pilloried for that. Well, actually, for someone that has an engineering degree and knows a bit about maths, it\u2019s not difficult to work out. There\u2019s 13,000 abortions a year. There\u2019s 30,000 females born in each cohort. So, if you do the maths, that\u2019s actually 40 percent, but some people have more than one, which takes you to 25 percent. So there you go\u2014you do the maths. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s actually not what I\u2019m here to talk about. I took a call to talk about Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 464. I briefly outlined the amendment and the case for it earlier, and I\u2019d like to make that case again and respond to some of the criticisms that have been levelled at it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThe cause of free speech makes you some unexpected bedfellows. In the course of standing up for this cause, I have dealt with and stood up for some of the most odious ogres that cannot claim a part of humanity. I have stuck up for the rights of people with odious views about race, even. At one point I was defending Nicky Hager, and you may have seen on the news: \u201CDavid Seymour to host radical feminist conference at Parliament\u201D. I gave sanctuary to people who were having their right to freedom of speech challenged in that instance, unexpected as the headline was. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ESo the question when it comes to safe areas, and the interaction between freedom of speech and having the safe areas, is not whether we think the people that do it are odious\u2014I think they are, personally. It\u2019s not whether they cause harm. I have no doubt that they will harm and distress women attempting to access abortion. The question, again, is what the laws should be. That\u2019s why this committee exists. That\u2019s why this Parliament exists. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI want to make the case to the committee that a law that attempts to criminalise, or even just make it an infringement, to protest and talk to people outside clinics and tell them that abortion is bad\u2014a law that does that, first of all, is redundant. For the worst of the harm that people have talked about, people need only look at section 4 of the Summary Offences Act\u2014something that in my view already goes far too far\u2014which says that to offend, intimidate, insult, or threaten somebody, or to make someone feel uncomfortable, almost, is already a crime under the Summary Offences Act. It\u2019s an offence, so we have laws to stop that. The Law Commission found that those laws are currently effective and that they do restrain people from causing the kinds of harm that we\u2019re worried about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI think we\u2019ve spent too much time importing a foreign narrative, but too many members of this Parliament, or at least the ones that have told me that they won\u2019t vote for this amendment, have said that they are worried because of the abuse they personally have received, being members of Parliament in this debate, and they don\u2019t want that visited on other people. Well, that\u2019s very compassionate. But what I\u2019d finally say to people is that if we pass this law as it stands, without the amendments on SOP 464, and we continue on our path of banning people from expressing themselves in an arbitrary area, the protests will be right on the 150-metre barrier, the resentment will be all the greater, and, actually, this Parliament will be creating exactly the division that those members are opposed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI\u2019m hoping, Madam Chair, you\u2019ll give me another minute, because I just want to finish this\u2014[Bell rung]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022 data-id=\u0022b5b3128b6cf9482187441e12fbced407\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b5b3128b6cf9482187441e12fbced407\u0022\u003ESIMEON BROWN (National\u2014Pakuranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for the opportunity to take a second call on the Abortion Legislation Bill. I just want to take on from where my colleague Kieran McAnulty was asking questions earlier of the Minister of Justice around the issue around Down syndrome children and whether this legislation would allow for them to be aborted. I don\u2019t feel the Minister actually adequately answered his question, because the question was shrouded in the language\u2014and I know that Kieran McAnulty has probably been receiving the same emails that I\u2019ve been receiving. I acknowledge everyone in my electorate who have been emailing me around whether this legislation will allow for abortion up to birth for those children with Down syndrome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI ask the Minister to answer the question. Remove the language \u201Cabortion up to birth\u201D\u2014it\u2019s not language that I\u2019ve used. I ask the Minister to answer the question as to whether this legislation will, post - 20 weeks, allow for the aborting of a child who is at a gestational age post - 20 weeks at any point. That is the question that my constituents are asking in that email. That is the question which I believe he needs to stand up and give a straight answer to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI just want to acknowledge the amendment that Greg O\u2019Connor has put forward. I will be supporting his amendment and Supplementary Order Paper 460 in the name of Agnes Loheni. They both seek to do the same thing, in many ways, which is to ensure that for those rare cases where there are\u2014and I\u2019ve heard it being said by the Minister and I\u2019ve heard it being said by members on the other side. \u201CRare and exceptional cases\u201D\u2014that there are very clear and defined terms as to what those rare and exceptional cases should be. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EGreg O\u2019Connor is very right to say, when he looks at this bill and reads it, that the terminology post - 20 weeks is very vague. When I spoke on this bill at the first reading, I said that one of the key concerns that I had on this bill was that it was around the post - 20 week criteria. I accept the argument which is being put forward around\u2014and I think Greg O\u2019Connor said it\u2014removing the argument of abortion from it. Well, I ask people on the other side of this debate from me to also remove the argument of abortion from it, and whether it is right or wrong, and ask the question: what should the law be post - 20 weeks? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI think the vast majority of New Zealanders would accept that if the law was going to be the same as it is now, then that is where the law should lie. That is something which I\u2019m asking the Minister: on what basis does he believe that post - 20 weeks in New Zealand, the law needs to be changed to the criteria that are in the bill that is before Parliament? What examples can he give of women seeking abortion and requiring abortion now who can\u2019t get it but will be able to under this law, or who can\u2019t get it but should be able to under this bill? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI ask the Minister to give some examples to the committee, and to explain that to this committee as to why he thinks that that change is justified, because I\u2019ve heard from the Minister that we have to justify our reasons why the change shouldn\u2019t happen. I think the Minister needs to stand up and actually take a call and explain why the change does need to happen. What\u2019s the justification for making the change? What are the cases where there is a need for the law to be changed to legislation which is more vague, which is more permissive, and which he is arguing there is a case for the change, because I haven\u2019t seen it. I ask the Minister to take a call and explain to this Parliament and explain to the public and explain to those people who have been emailing me\u2014my constituents\u2014that one question: will it allow for the abortion of those children with Down syndrome post - 20 weeks? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003EI implore Kieran McAnulty\u2014he said that if it happens once, he said he would oppose that. So I ask the Minister to clarify: will it happen once? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00221dbd96dbea994c6f9faaad618322e0d7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221dbd96dbea994c6f9faaad618322e0d7\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m happy to take a call to respond to a number of speakers, but I\u2019ll start with Simeon Brown\u2019s contribution just now, which requires me to address Greg O\u2019Connor\u2019s latest amendment, which does remove the cumulative requirements to justify an abortion after 20 weeks. But what it, effectively, does is returns us to the status quo, and the challenge in relation to that is the very reason\u2014and as so many women told both the Law Commission when it did its inquiry and, indeed, the Abortion Legislation Committee, is the current law requires women to lie to get an abortion. It requires women to lie and to say they would have some serious mental health condition as a result of it. So the whole intention was to move away from there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EEven at the post - 20 week level, even where women are not required to lie, let\u2019s remember that at that point the decision is about a wanted pregnancy, and the woman has been thrown into a health crisis that calls on her to confront a decision about abortion. So to Mr Brown and to others who say, \u201CGive us an example of why it shouldn\u2019t carry on.\u201D, it\u2019s because life has moved on. Our understanding has moved on. Women do not, at a whim, decide at 20 weeks or 24 weeks that that\u2019s it\u2014they\u2019ve had enough of this, they\u2019re out of here. That\u2019s not how life works. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe law should reflect the way people actually live their lives and should reflect the way that women can be trusted to make decisions about their bodies. That\u2019s what the law should reflect; not some sort of male paradigm that doesn\u2019t trust women and wants to have a whole heap of obstacles and hoops that women have to go through. That\u2019s the difference. That\u2019s what people asked for. That\u2019s what the law change is reflecting. That\u2019s what the Law Commission inquiry threw up. That\u2019s what the select committee heard. That is what the bill is that came before this House, and it is not for me to justify that any longer\u2014that has been justified already. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt is incumbent on members who want to retain the status quo or go even further backwards to justify why their view of women, and why it is they cannot trust women, means that the rest of this House should legislate accordingly. I reject it entirely\u2014I reject it entirely. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve dealt with Greg O\u2019Connor\u2019s latest amendment. Jan Logie made a contribution, and members will decide whether or not they want to change the language. As I\u2019ve said, the bill got to a point as a result of compromises from a range of people across the political spectrum that gave us the bill we\u2019ve got now, and I think that is the best way to achieve enduring change. I acknowledge the contribution of Louisa Wall. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the contribution of Alfred Ngaro. Again, I say Alfred Ngaro has misconceived the situation. Of course our health system should be reflective of our Treaty-based multicultural world that we\u2019re in, and our legislation does that. The legislation that deals with the health system does that. It calls upon health providers to be sensitive to different cultures, but principally our Treaty obligations in our Treaty partnership. But this is legislation covering a decision that a woman makes in conjunction with her health professional about a medical procedure that she is considering undergoing, and that is abortion. That is not a matter for the Treaty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWhere the Treaty is relevant is where that woman is able to go. Is she able to go to a practitioner who has been trained in a way that is culturally sensitive to her needs, to an institution that is culturally sensitive to her needs, and to a system that is culturally sensitive to her needs? Those are the system issues which our Treaty obliges us to ensure is sensitive to our Treaty obligations, and to other cultural needs. I repeat, with all due respect to my good friend the Hon Alfred Ngaro, I think his Supplementary Order Paper 466 is misconceived in that regard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI acknowledge Maggie Barry\u2019s contribution, which covered a lot of ground, but really challenged why we should have abortion at all. I\u2019m sorry, Ms Barry, but that train has long left the station. We\u2019re now talking about the legal framework we want in place. There will be a legal framework after this debate. There will be no such thing as no right to have an abortion in New Zealand, so it would be helpful if people focused on the actual debate, not on something they\u2019d like to have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI conclude\u2014unfortunately, in my last remaining seconds\u2014by responding to David Seymour yet again. Nothing in the safe zone provision is stopping people expressing their view. What it is is preventing women from being intimidated and harassed when they go to get an abortion, and if he wants to know by way of comparison, every Australian state or territory apart from the ACT has an automatic safe zone. This is discretionary. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022 data-id=\u00228099b6c747fc4cf5afeb16c78a96f764\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022098b8334-57f8-4062-bac6-bfbc3474e88e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228099b6c747fc4cf5afeb16c78a96f764\u0022\u003EMICHAEL WOOD (Senior Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002298b59752bb3c484e9d64ea8280dfc06e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 63\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 46; New Zealand First 9; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 57\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 55; ACT New Zealand 1; Ross.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022d2a5b3e34bf04b2e83d09f15c42d2186\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d2a5b3e34bf04b2e83d09f15c42d2186\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to the voting on Part 1. We will deal with each amendment in the order they would appear in the bill. This means that all amendments to clause 5 will be taken before those amendments to clause 6 and so on. Where two amendments would appear in the same place, we will vote on the one released first. Because many Supplementary Order Papers (SOPs) contain amendments to different clauses, there may be multiple questions on a single SOP, so members should look closely at the specific amendment they are being asked to vote on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 460 in the name of Agnes Loheni to clause 5 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002206e4c99817724df89eaffdc8c2fb973c\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 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\u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000607\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 464 in the name of David Seymour to clause 5 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022bb62bbb559c540cba8c21127bab7d3c6\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 56\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv 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agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c4aa7b22d7024847b53e7bab9905f55f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c4aa7b22d7024847b53e7bab9905f55f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, before I put the next question, can I ask all members that are holding proxies to make certain that they vote correctly and that all members present also make sure that they vote correctly. These votes are taking longer than they ought to. I just want you all to take care.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe Hon Nicky Wagner\u2019s amendment inserting new clause 6AA set out on Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 468 is out of order as being outside the scope of the bill. The question is that Jan Logie\u2019s amendment to amend new section 10\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266d66a477d4e441e80af6f3e85414445\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. I was just mindful that the House is the master of its own destiny and was wanting to seek leave of the House to actually consider Nicky Wagner\u2019s SOP. If there is unanimous support for it, then I think we can pass it and take this opportunity to rid this piece of legislation of that terribly disablist language.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd07f60081a64651acccd27fc56ccd60\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, and as the member said herself, that is the power of the House, not the committee of the whole House, and an instruction should have been\u2014a motion for that instruction\u2014moved before we went into committee, so the ruling stands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253ae66d98fdc40feb1901def514d8871\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. Without wishing to challenge your ruling, Mr Chair, the difficulty with that is that the Chair\u2019s decision on whether the SOP is out of order is not made until we get to this stage in the voting process of the committee of the whole House. So we have something of a conundrum where there is reasonably widespread support for the bill. I\u2019m not sure we can do this during a vote, but we could report progress and consider that matter in the House, but you can appreciate the difficulty that the committee has that we\u2019ve only now found out that the amendment is out of scope.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228591f676bd524c2b9e89fb9e6c34f899\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve accepted a closure motion. That means that all of the motions relevant to this part need to be put. The only way that that can be overruled is by leave of the committee to report progress to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258f962a2a35a42bfa75f507a913225b0\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Chairperson. According to Standing Order 4, I move that any Standing Orders preventing this amendment being voted upon be suspended.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c44e807308943c39b9df470d0c7a397\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Only the House can give that power, not the committee of the whole House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230c030565b324beb9e074462eec67486\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Really?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224eade58cf7c24b3ea7c5190263236959\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 325 in the name of Jan Logie to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002206c9911c90174a839d43c2bde4efbd40\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp 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\u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D\u003C/td\u003E\n              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(P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000621\u0022\u003EThe result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 12, Noes 107.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000622\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 460 in the name of Agnes Loheni to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00221f2b5fc64ea64a2d8385d18eade3ab01\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed 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\u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson \u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022938a546cd083423097ca5728099c1229\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022938a546cd083423097ca5728099c1229\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: We have a correction, I think, for the previous vote, on Supplementary Order Paper 325. Before I give it, can I again stress that members should take care when they\u2019re voting, particularly if they have given their proxy to another member and they are also present and they vote differently to the proxy they have given. Therefore, on the previous vote, the Ayes are 12; the Noes are 106.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 475 in the name of Dr Parmjeet Parmar to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022afa433b9bca0418b8435c6dfbd21bc96\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 29\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          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\u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAbstentions 1\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000625\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 461 in the name of Agnes Loheni to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002250e3ccccb43c4ea6bcceb99e79a775b4\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 43\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 76\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000626\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment in the name of Greg O\u2019Connor to clause 7 be agreed to: \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000627\u0022\u003Ein clause 7, replace new section 11 with:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000628\u0022\u003E11\tProvision of abortion services to women more than 20 weeks pregnant\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000629\u0022\u003E\tAn abortion may be carried out on a woman who is more than 20 weeks pregnant only if two specialist medical practitioners, after examining the woman, have provided a certificate confirming that they have formed the reasonable belief in good faith that\u2014\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000630\u0022\u003E(a)\tthe woman is more than 20 weeks pregnant; and\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000631\u0022\u003E(b)\teither\u2014\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000632\u0022\u003E(i)\tthere is risk to the life, or of serious harm to the physical or mental health, of the woman; or\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000633\u0022\u003E(ii)\tthe fetus is so medically impaired as to be unlikely to survive beyond birth; and\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000634\u0022\u003E(c)\tit is appropriate to carry out the abortion in order to avert the risk referred to in paragraph (b).\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002292f887c5f6ff44f1ad7fad1d063c3036\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 45\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n   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  \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000635\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 462 in the name of Joanne Hayes to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000636\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000637\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 464 in the name of David Seymour to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000638\u0022\u003EAmendment agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u0022be0531c9573648bdae563725c20f0518\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be0531c9573648bdae563725c20f0518\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Marama Davidson\u2019s amendments to replace new sections 15 to 17 and amend new section 21 in clause 7 set out on Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) 474 are out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee in relation to SOP\u2014[Interruption] They agreed to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f66d67647c60485db58f5032c1b832b7\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Madam Chairperson. Could I just check the vote and how it evolved around David Seymour\u2019s SOP and what the outcome of that vote was?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215416aec7ed44e86935ca00d5526a048\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I put the vote. I said the Ayes have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea65142fa02d4d19a62c088a0c06ec59\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I\u2019m just wanting to check and to see if I needed to correct my vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268dfe433a33348e7be06987a818e06a5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it was a vote on the voices, so I have no way of knowing\u2014the committee has no way of knowing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c89fb6eab0b74466a4efc8ab9ce1362a\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: But what was the outcome for us to note\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d7e885188f04540a547b63a56ea8c93\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: The outcome was that the amendment was agreed to on the voices. No one called for a personal vote, no one called for a party vote, so the amendment was agreed to. That\u2019s perfectly in order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eaf45784534145f68aed86d71454f754\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: And is it possible to go back and ask\u2014no?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e352ce78cfd4f1c8a03c3bb03a51d8b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: No. Oh, I\u2019m sorry, you could seek leave to go back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022 data-id=\u002280bf5e4f410c464e93819d023cf9dce1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275a05f96-2474-4c90-a6ea-cf7b5798e03e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002280bf5e4f410c464e93819d023cf9dce1\u0022\u003EHon RUTH DYSON (Labour\u2014Port Hills):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave for a personal vote to be taken on that vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022 data-id=\u00225552b1c1ea694016b4786fee4589dcc8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225552b1c1ea694016b4786fee4589dcc8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought. Is there any objection to that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200588fd2b4b445e8a2d36042ba6fd3ae\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249e187ea8c4441e7be5506143918318c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Anne Tolley)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m afraid that\u2019s fairly\u2014OK. OK, so just to repeat then, that knocks out SOP 474 in the name of Marama Davidson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022977cccaf-581d-4f48-924e-32bf6c54a93d\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 466 in the name of the Hon Alfred Ngaro to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002214a6474dd1c54c5484c2e80916840aea\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 38\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 81\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000653\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 467 in the name of Harete Hipango to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f33bc5b18c5f43baad295c9a24f903bd\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 34\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 84\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000654\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 469 in the name of Chris Penk to new section 19 in clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a331a498715c4af08d67d9b3182f36f8\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 35\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 83\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000655\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 472 in the name of the Hon Ruth Dyson to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e54ea7358231493d98ac49ab6e51ae81\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 77\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 41\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAbstentions 1\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000656\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 473 in the name of Dr Deborah Russell to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002228e351e6821a48119a308f58fd744a3e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 19\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 99\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000657\u0022\u003EThe result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 19, Noes 100.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000658\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 469 in the name of Chris Penk to new section 20 in clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002240983adaac864923b63306d6db8ca655\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 36\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 82\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000659\u0022\u003EThe result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 36, Noes 83.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u002286519c726cfa4dd6ba43854673a369c6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286519c726cfa4dd6ba43854673a369c6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ruth Dyson\u2019s amendment to insert new section 20AAA in clause 7 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 472 is out of order as being outside the scope of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 476 in the name of the Hon Ruth Dyson to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226c6cc0ce30704035bb6b75e7c3580d91\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 74\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford 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\u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000662\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 480 in the name of Simeon Brown to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a10d24dd6bce4089a33bc7e66dadd2c2\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 37\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n            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\u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000663\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the amendment set out on Supplementary Order Paper 475 in the name of Dr Parmjeet Parmar to clause 7 be agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002274c4ff2039aa4578abc3e11e6265904e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 30\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 88\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECarter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKuriger (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERobertson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EClark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELees-Galloway (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERoss\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECoffey (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELittle\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWilliams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECraig (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERussell\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWillis\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESage (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoods (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAbstentions 1\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000664\u0022\u003EThe question was put that the following amendment in the name of Simon O\u2019Connor to clause 7 be agreed to: \u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000665\u0022\u003EAfter section 21, insert:\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000666\u0022\u003E22\tCare of child born after abortion\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000667\u0022\u003E(1)\tThis section applies if an abortion results in a child being born.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000668\u0022\u003E(2)\tA qualified health practitioner who performed the abortion that results in the birth of a child, or any other health practitioner present at the time the child is born, has a duty to provide the child with appropriate medical care and treatment.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000669\u0022\u003E(3)\tFor the avoidance of doubt, the duty owed by any health practitioner to provide medical care and treatment to a child born as a result of an abortion is no different than the duty owed to provide medical care and treatment to a child born other than as a result of an abortion.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222929f993cc614256bc790b52768b8724\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 37\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKing (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWood\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 80\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly 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\u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e4ac4afd02ba41ac8e762bf8cff7e23b\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA personal vote was called for on the question, That Part 1 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 79\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAdams (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGenter (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcAnulty (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESwarbrick (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAllan (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGhahraman (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcKelvie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETabuteau (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EAndersen (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHenare (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell C (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETinetti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EArdern (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipkins (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMitchell M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETolley\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBall (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHudson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENash (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETwyford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBayly (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHughes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParker (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003Evan de Molen\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHuo (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPatterson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWagner (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBennett P (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJackson (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPeters (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWall\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBidois\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EJones (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPrime (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWarren-Clark\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBishop (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKaye (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERadhakrishnan\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWebb\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              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(P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ECurran (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELogie\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESepuloni (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYang (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavidson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELubeck\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESeymour (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDavis (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELuxton (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EShaw (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDoocey\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMallard\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESimpson\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EEagle (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMarcroft\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESio (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFaafoi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMark (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith S (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EFalloon\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMartin\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStanford (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDyson\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 40\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\n        \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\n          \u003Ctable\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBakshi (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EKanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor S\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EUpston (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBridges (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee D\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EParmar\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWalker\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrown\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELee M\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPenk\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWhaitiri (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBrownlee (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ELoheni\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EPugh (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EWoodhouse\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDean (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMacindoe (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EReti (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYoung (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EDowie (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMahuta (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ERurawhe\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EYule (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGarcia\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMcClay (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESalesa (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGoldsmith (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EMuller (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EScott (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EGuy (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ENgaro\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ESmith N (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003E\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHayes (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor D (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EStrange (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETeller:\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n            \u003Ctr\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EHipango (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EO\u2019Connor G\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003ETirikatene (P)\u003C/td\u003E\n              \u003Ctd\u003EBarry\u003C/td\u003E\n            \u003C/tr\u003E\n          \u003C/table\u003E\n        \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003C/div\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart 1 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000670\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000671\u0022\u003EThe Chairperson reported progress on the Abortion Legislation Bill, no progress on the Taxation (KiwiSaver, Student Loans, and Remedial Matters) Bill, and no progress on the Smoke-free Environments (Prohibiting Smoking in Motor Vehicles Carrying Children) Amendment Bill.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000672\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202003103372991ac2b84035a276e36ed11cb0c1000673\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 12.18 a.m. (Wednesday)\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"