"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002229e6ef38e6a240ebba2e20ab1d5e55eb\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 7 DECEMBER 2021\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ad8dfa553f19435f8bb227f933aad595\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 7 DECEMBER 2021\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ab326313429c496f9dea235c381b906b\u0022\u003Ekarakia/prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022106debfe1d1d4bd881fd65742a86a97c\u0022\u003Ekarakia/prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b54a8949a1e84b12a499f203c03c6e72\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b54a8949a1e84b12a499f203c03c6e72\u0022\u003EADRIAN RURAWHE (Deputy Speaker)\u003C/span\u003E: E te Atua kaha rawa, ka tuku whakamoemiti atu m\u0101tou, m\u014D ng\u0101 karakia kua waihotia mai ki runga i a m\u0101tou. Ka waiho i \u014D m\u0101tou p\u0101nga whaiaro katoa ki te taha. Ka mihi m\u0101tou ki te Ku\u012Bni, me te inoi atu m\u014D te \u0101rahitanga i roto i \u014D m\u0101tou whakaaroarohanga, kia m\u014Dhio ai, kia whakaiti ai t\u0101 m\u0101tou whakahaere i ng\u0101 take o te Whare nei, m\u014D te oranga, te maung\u0101rongo, me te aroha o Aotearoa. \u0100mene.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the Queen, and pray for guidance in our deliberations, that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom and humility, for the welfare, peace, and compassion of New Zealand. Amen.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d090eb83d3b9456f8be04c1e9509362a\u0022\u003EMotions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022cc977084ae6d449f9add40e5ccf546e7\u0022\u003EBlack Caps\u2014Ajaz Patel\u2019s Success\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd5399c709cd479f877750e403208c6b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd5399c709cd479f877750e403208c6b\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister for Sport and Recreation):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to move a motion without notice and without debate to celebrate the achievement of Black Cap Ajaz Patel.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dccbabb419744b4cad61f61d78618aa7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that course of action being taken? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a0e8b54333c4e1e96196232992902f8\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That this House congratulate Black Cap spinner Ajaz Patel on claiming all ten wickets in the first innings of the recent test against India, becoming only the third bowler in the history of men\u2019s test cricket to achieve the feat; that this House further acknowledge that this remarkable achievement was made all the more special in that it happened in Mumbai, the city of his birth, on a ground that he had dreamt of playing on; and that the House acknowledge him, his family, and all those who have supported him to get this far and note our enormous pride in his achievement and his newly acquired place in cricket 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id=\u0022cc5f69c901c74a09a55df8fac1dbe5b5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I present the Register of Pecuniary and Other Specified Interests of Members of Parliament, summary of amendments to annual returns and initial returns from newly elected members, December 2021. Those papers are published under the authority of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003ESelect committees reports have been delivered for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u00225d65ba72e84d4054b6211d7f1bb7d091\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225d65ba72e84d4054b6211d7f1bb7d091\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EReport of the Education and Workforce Committee on the petition of Amanda Drumm\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EReport of the Environment Committee on the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EReport of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the Unit Titles (Strengthening Body Corporate Governance and Other Matters) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EReports of the Petitions Committee on the petitions of Alexander Woods, Linzee McCutcheon, Luke Chandler, Richard Stein, Santiago Gonzalez Novillo\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EReport of the Primary Production Committee on the Biosecurity (Information for Incoming Passengers) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EReports of the Regulations Review Committee on a briefing about orders made under section 70 of the Health Act 1956\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EComplaint about the Coroners (Pathologists Fees) Regulations 2007, on COVID-19 public health response orders, and on the Subordinate Legislation Confirmation Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd745d8e96c343fdb3703adcff8b5dd3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd745d8e96c343fdb3703adcff8b5dd3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The bills are set down for second reading. The reports of the Regulations Review Committee are set down for consideration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EThe Clerk has been informed of the introduction of bills.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u002278fe51c051c54534b315baf8440ce11b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002278fe51c051c54534b315baf8440ce11b\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EEducation and Training Amendment Bill (No 2), introduction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EAccident Compensation (Maternal Birth Injury and Other Matters) Amendment Bill, introduction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EManiapoto Claims Settlement Bill, introduction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u00221381f0641eb249beb5ad41bec145841a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221381f0641eb249beb5ad41bec145841a\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: Those bills are set down for first reading. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228c64193d52db42518489e8a694c9473b\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022421c5a43fdc14833a7ff02f060baba01\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002265bfa7403abd4cfdb98fb0066ee24138\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022 data-id=\u00229f323c7123e74352994ae7162d8a4283\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f323c7123e74352994ae7162d8a4283\u0022\u003EBARBARA EDMONDS (Labour\u2014Mana)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has he seen on the New Zealand economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022af71b610ac7c461ca2002054b241df8f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022af71b610ac7c461ca2002054b241df8f\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E The National Construction Pipeline Report 2021 was released yesterday, and it highlighted the resilience of the construction sector during COVID-19 and noted that the outlook looks positive. Construction activity is forecast to grow steadily to about $48.3 billion in 2024, driven largely by the residential sector. The report shows residential construction has seen unprecedented interest in the past year despite these changing economic conditions, with more than 265,000 new dwellings forecast to be consented over the next six years, at an average of 44,000 dwellings a year. The construction sector is now our fourth-largest employer, with over 281,400 people for the year to the end of September, and the Government\u2019s investments in apprenticeships and trade training have supported this, with 171,000 people taking up the opportunity, including 81,000 apprentices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022212337c5224e4e50bf0c648c0e35efbd\u0022\u003EBarbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: How is activity in the infrastructure sector contributing to the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e72aa52c85244384be29b9ea741c3841\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the report also forecast an increase in infrastructure activity, which reflects the Government\u2019s $57.3 billion investment in infrastructure over five years to create jobs and lift productivity. Annual infrastructure expenditure will grow steadily to reach $11.2 billion in 2026, with growth expected to be particularly strong in the Auckland and Waikato - Bay of Plenty areas. The Government\u2019s swift actions to invest in infrastructure at the start of the pandemic have meant the sector has been able to retain and attract talent at a critical time, and the sector is now in a robust position to build back better and continue to deliver on this strong pipeline of work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e38e9b628b5c4aec8dd835fe91998507\u0022\u003EBarbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: What other reports has he seen on the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227265f341c30544c9a2cab86cce642f3f\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the latest set of Crown accounts shows the\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cbb316e29dd34a52b679fcb1c66c0cbb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I\u2019m only going to do this once: members must not pull their masks down in order to interject.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240934d4f5d4542d2b05e28a0b5620b2b\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014continued strength of the New Zealand economy despite the challenges of COVID-19\u2014[Interruption] It won\u2019t make more sense if you pull it down, Mr Bridges; it\u2019ll be the same. The accounts for the four months to the end of\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0cabe183b184362b944866e46d78fe4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! I made a ruling which did not relate to Mr Bridges, and I don\u2019t want references made to my rulings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5a012f4b24245319fabd405554e7ec6\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The accounts for the four months to the end of October factor in the improved starting position for the new financial year. Core Crown tax revenue was $2.5 billion above the Budget 2021 forecast, coming in at $31.8 billion. This was largely driven by better than expected corporate profits and more people being in work. The operating balance before gains and losses was a deficit of $7.8 billion, $1.8 billion higher than forecast, as restrictions triggered by the pandemic meant that Government had to put in place more financial support to protect jobs and livelihoods. Net core Crown debt stood at 34.2 percent of GDP, below the 36.7 percent forecast by the Treasury and significantly below most countries that we compare ourselves with. It continues to be appropriate for the Government to take a balanced approach and invest in supporting the recovery and dealing with the longstanding challenges that we have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f5416e3e9a7349089b0c89580f8e97ac\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u0022149880d3e17245c690d2dc3027eab8a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022149880d3e17245c690d2dc3027eab8a1\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all of her Government\u2019s statements and policies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u00229ca96608f5c248e69ba12742f4b0ce7f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229ca96608f5c248e69ba12742f4b0ce7f\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, particularly the recent announcement that Pharmac has signed an agreement for 60,000 courses of Pfizer\u2019s oral antiviral treatment. Clinical studies have shown this treatment is highly promising, with an 89 percent reduction in hospitalisations and deaths. Taken orally at the first sign of symptoms, it can significantly prevent people from getting really unwell and requiring hospitalisation. The Government\u2019s decision to ring-fence $300 million for Pharmac to purchase COVID-19 therapeutics, on top of an existing $175 million for medicines and supply chain costs, means New Zealanders will have access to six world-leading therapeutics. Three of these are already in use in our hospitals, and we\u2019re seeing the impact of that. Pending Medsafe approval, the remainder is scheduled to arrive in New Zealand early next year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287544b8b38f34ce18a094d40f348540f\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the Government employ Pharmac to negotiate and sign the agreement for molnupiravir, when the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) was tasked with the vaccine procurement for COVID-19; is the Government unhappy with MBIE\u2019s performance at procuring vaccines at all?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee1f5aa2fbe643ff8569cc4162a0d105\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f5907d5d49b4231817c197fdbeaaddb\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by Ashley Bloomfield\u2019s statement six days ago that \u201COur hospitalisations have very much levelled off across T\u0101maki-makau-rau\u201D; and, if so, why is Auckland at red when the COVID-19 website says red means the health system is facing \u201Can unsustainable number of hospitalisations.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222013bb1fbe944ed68d32b507856e31bf\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Happy to address that question in two parts. Obviously, Dr Bloomfield was referring to the fact that, indeed, as we see a decline in cases, which I know we all welcome in T\u0101maki-makau-rau, we are seeing, at the same time, a decline in hospitalisations\u2014as of today, 66 current hospitalisations across our hospital network. The reason that that\u2019s heartening is because it demonstrates that it\u2019s not just the case that we aren\u2019t picking up cases in the community. If we were, we would see those rates higher. To answer the second part of the member\u2019s question, we said right at the outset\u2014you might recall at the time that we announced that first set of settings for the country\u2014that this set of decisions early on in the transition would be different. We\u2019ve established criteria for the traffic light framework that will hold us in good stead for the management of the pandemic going forward. But as we move into it, we\u2019ve said we\u2019ll deliberately take a cautious approach, because we\u2019ve learnt from overseas: if you move too fast, you run the risk of those cases getting out of control, and no one wants that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b942ce9894054280b65762be0a6aa9f5\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Prime Minister give New Zealanders a date when they\u2019ll be able to look at Government websites such as the Unite against COVID-19 website and actually believe what it says instead of having the Prime Minister say, \u201CWell, this is just a start. We\u2019ll follow those rules later.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250746a85cddc484c8a6979dad8211a1d\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t think, as we transition into an entirely different way of doing things, that New Zealanders have an issue with us being cautious as we do that, because they want caution so that we maintain low case rates. Those countries who have given certain dates, like Denmark, who lifted the use of their vaccine passes in August, put them back in November; Israel, who lifted all their restrictions, brought their vaccine pass back; and Norway lifted in September, only to tell their people that they needed to bring them back in November. We\u2019re moving carefully so that we don\u2019t have to yo-yo in the way we\u2019ve seen other countries, who saw an explosion of cases because they moved too fast.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e55c2ee33a8461d9b8600ffb5a38b13\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister then saying it doesn\u2019t matter if New Zealand is the last country to emerge from COVID, so long as she never has to admit a mistake?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5712e14787644a7ad6a59f7edc7a8c0\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t call the lowest case rates in the OECD, the lowest hospitalisations, and the lowest death rate a mistake. I call them a plan which New Zealanders have stood firmly behind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b47e561d0d9140fe9ee11c517d1dafea\u0022\u003EChristopher Luxon\u003C/span\u003E: What is the point of the criteria if it\u2019s not being followed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227271990c41ad4e81abf64d2d4851357e\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: We will absolutely use the criteria to inform our decisions. But from the very beginning we said for that first set of decisions as we transition we would act carefully because we have an outbreak we need to maintain control over and we need to assess the impact of the outbreak. The member wasn\u2019t here for the alert level transition, but we did take similar steps as we transitioned into that as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022555777d040f344b3a294ae09c7cbf614\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Prime Minister confirm that on 1 December when some were arguing\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022619c78f35d7744fdb14e1b6b23a9da79\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! I don\u2019t know where that\u2019s coming from, but it\u2019s to stop.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022689171456e5343409712b5e505f2e1b0\u0022\u003EHon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Prime Minister confirm that on 1 December, when some were arguing that all restrictions should be lifted and the international borders should be reopened, there were just 130 cases reported in New Zealand as opposed to the 129,000 cases in the United States, the 48,000 cases in the United Kingdom, the 1,400 cases in Australia, or the 3,146 cases in Canada?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d5175b836b104cc9893f74a352dc7c54\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! [Interruption] Order! The member will resume his seat. [Interruption] The member will resume his seat. I mean, we do have a new shadow Leader of the House\u2014again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c172064800746398497ecdfe66b9762\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Not that new.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c585eae7545e4e63b1a16b24ab230765\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And if he wants to stay here he won\u2019t interject while I\u2019m on my feet, and he certainly will not deliberately breach the rules. He\u2019s meant to show leadership and an example and not interject during questions. [Interruption] No, the member was as well. It\u2019s no good just blaming Mr Bridges. Chris Hipkins\u2014oh, the Prime Minister. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237bf0911d8af46c7a75a765d44f1bde5\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Who will propose the times, locations, and protocols for checkpoints on public roads when iwi representatives are acting as enforcement officers under the COVID-19 public health Act amendments made last month; will these checkpoints be initiated by iwi, police, or the Director-General of Health?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e8f7ff2478b47c6a82e2bf32ee955f5\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: The police and the member will be obviously familiar with the elements of that bill, because it went to a select committee he sat on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a01acb9ca29a4f879b9c01f9e3c94c2b\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister agree with Treasury that New Zealand had the second-largest fiscal response to COVID-19 in the developed world even before the latest lockdown, and can she understand how borrowing and spending a hundred billion bucks might lead to 4.9 percent inflation and rising interest rates on Kiwis\u2019 mortgages?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d23e5b2cd7434bd08a9c57a5018602fe\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, we stand by the investment we made to keep New Zealanders connected to the labour market, because that has resulted in some of the lowest unemployment that New Zealand has seen, despite the fact we\u2019re in an economic crisis. At the same time, we went into this pandemic in this crisis with some of the lowest levels of debt relative to GDP in the OECD as well. And so that\u2019s stood us in good stead and allowed us to invest in our people. We stand by this investment. It\u2019s been the right thing to do. The member\u2019s assertion that that therefore has resulted in the inflationary pressures we\u2019ve seen\u2014around the world we\u2019re seeing it. The OECD has just revised up their inflation estimates to over 4 percent because of Omicron. It\u2019s very much pandemic related.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207f5e1d445bb4dd0899b037231f2cf57\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister stand by her finance Minister\u2019s statement from the 2021 Budget speech he gave, that \u201CWage growth \u2026 will outpace inflation, meaning more money in Kiwis\u2019 back pockets.\u201D, in light of ANZ\u2019s comment last week that real wages are now falling; and, if so, when will wages start to outpace cost increases as the Minister of Finance promised just six months ago?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e369429ed8941048cf034eff6e271e6\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Of course, it has, with wage growth being at around 3.5 percent and inflation around 2 percent. And at the time that the member made that statement, that was Treasury\u2019s future forecasting as well. What we see around the world, though, in the likes of the United States and others, is that we have seen inflation increase as we\u2019ve seen pressures on supply chain and increase in demand from consumers as our economies have recovered. We are not alone in experiencing that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229365350da6c74925ab339642e8283333\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Housing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221cd33f16-add4-4363-a2d4-f457841a5c4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022de8e257700f144fba8510465b138da7a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221cd33f16-add4-4363-a2d4-f457841a5c4c\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022de8e257700f144fba8510465b138da7a\u0022\u003EGLEN BENNETT (Labour\u2014New Plymouth)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: How has the Government\u2019s public house build programme supported young people into skilled jobs? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u00223b31fc05bd9341de84ffb74603f3aaaa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223b31fc05bd9341de84ffb74603f3aaaa\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E The Government is committed to addressing New Zealand\u2019s housing crisis by increasing the supply of houses across the country, including our own booming Government-led build programme. Recently, I announced that over 500 apprentices and cadets have been placed in work across the country through Government house-building projects. This represents hundreds more builders, carpenters, electricians, painters, drainlayers, and scaffolders who are part of building, upgrading, and maintaining the nearly 70,000 public houses across New Zealand. Our investment in apprenticeships is about creating jobs and opportunities for young people, stimulating local economies, and creating an ongoing pipeline of work that is building more houses than any Government since the 1970s. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221cd33f16-add4-4363-a2d4-f457841a5c4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac650acd727c46949a1ba8c411fda7a2\u0022\u003EGlen Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: How is the K\u0101inga Ora cadet and apprenticeship programme supporting young people into work? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dec18bd423374eb8b07035ca1bf642dc\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Through its cadet and apprenticeship programme, K\u0101inga Ora works with training and pastoral care providers, build partners, and subcontractors to help budding tradespeople into apprenticeships. Employers of K\u0101inga Ora apprentices are eligible for the Government\u2019s Apprenticeship Boost subsidy of up to $12,000 for first-year apprentices and $6,000 for second-year apprentices. Apprentices also receive a $1,500 tool kit grant to get them started. While these apprentices and cadets have been part of the Government\u2019s build programme, they have helped deliver over 6,800 newly built public homes in the past 3\u00BD years. The skills and trades learnt will benefit the wider building sector as they carve out a career in this sector. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221cd33f16-add4-4363-a2d4-f457841a5c4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9c19645516348cfb66303bd9888e65b\u0022\u003EGlen Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: How is K\u0101inga Ora changing its procurement approach to support employment for apprentices and cadets? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4cf91eacfac4b70826f07bc0f9a2873\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: K\u0101inga Ora is changing the way it contracts with build partners to provide more opportunities for apprentices and cadets. New multi-year agreements, which will replace most project-by-project build contracts, require that at least 5 percent of skilled work has to be undertaken by apprentices and trainees within the first six months of training. This increases to more than 15 percent of skilled work in year two of the agreement. This is just another way that we are supporting young people into skilled jobs while delivering a record number of public houses. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224b233391e55c4e23a300016791bd289e\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022bedd569fdc3b40bb9cc219a45844cbfe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bedd569fdc3b40bb9cc219a45844cbfe\u0022\u003ECHRISTOPHER LUXON (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does she stand by all of her Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022 data-id=\u00222532792dc81b479cbeb9b360a6f57372\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222532792dc81b479cbeb9b360a6f57372\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E May I begin by congratulating the member on his new role. Yes; in particular, I stand by this Government\u2019s ongoing successful response to the COVID-19 pandemic that for the past two years has seen New Zealand have the lowest cumulative number of cases, hospitalisations, and deaths per capita in the OECD, and now we can add extraordinarily high vaccination rates as well. At the same time, our economy has continued to perform with record levels of unemployment, high economic growth, and some of the longest stretches without restrictions of any comparable country. Over the past two years, this Government and New Zealand have provided a strong response to a global pandemic that continues. It, of course, hasn\u2019t been easy, but the results tell the country\u2019s story. That is why I proudly stand by this Government\u2019s statements and actions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267527c35ba0d40fd9d5dc15808f00250\u0022\u003EChristopher Luxon\u003C/span\u003E: Why did her Government spend more than $50 billion from its COVID fund before announcing any funding for extra ICU beds?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258f42843658f4f158ba54744c6213cdf\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I reject that question. What we know: one of the most important things that need to be provided are not just the beds but the staffing of the beds. Five nurses are required for every ICU\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9c48c13dcb84da780749c9237ef2a58\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfc253dbd2644801bd1e954da2a05f26\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Five ICU nurses are required per bed, so not only have we got 300 ICU or high dependency unit beds and the ability to surge to 500, we put aside funding in the Budget to ensure that we could train the staff required for the additional beds that we have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288dcced174824824aff923ff01ddea7a\u0022\u003EChristopher Luxon\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with\u2014sorry. At any\u2014sorry. Why did her Government choose to prioritise things like eradicating wallabies including a pandemic over increasing the number of fully staffed ICU beds?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd632720a99f49a99e92f6612042f4d6\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Again, I reject the premise of the member\u2019s question. So not only did we increase the amount of money that went into training our ICU staff, because that is the critical piece of the puzzle, we also have, of course, put in capital expenditure for ICU physical space as well: $10 million into the expansion of Tauranga\u2019s ICU space; a new ICU facility at Waitakere; 12 additional beds in Canterbury; and, in addition to the training that we\u2019ve provided for ICU nurses, $544 million for the operational spending of staffing for those new beds. But the one thing I would say: our focus has been ensuring people don\u2019t end up in ICU in the first place. We want to save lives, not have a situation where people are critically unwell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ff41f283a7a454f95ab6116a3eb83b6\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: If the problem with staffing more ICU beds was getting the nurses, why did it take until 20 October for the Government to set aside managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) space for nurses coming to look after those Kiwis she cares so much about?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225be7226803394c1c820bca854910568a\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: That is not true, first of all. Second of all, as I said, the funding for the additional staff was right at the beginning of the pandemic. Second point: if you only rely on surge capacity\u2014that is what happened in the UK. When you have ICU staff who come in to support a surge\u2014an overwhelming of a health workforce\u2014the death rate in ICU increases. Our goal has always been to stop that from occurring. If you are overwhelmed in a pandemic, people die, no matter how many staff you have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d660633d648a41efaa0423088ee4b293\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. My question was very specific about MIQ, not about funding, and not about the nature of staff, whether they were organised as surge staff, but about MIQ capacity and when it was announced. She did not address that at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d2970159cb974d45928f3b3427547b88\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The member started his question that way. Unfortunately, it had a tail which opened it up for the answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f02f370301a4ddaa8725816358faa55\u0022\u003EChristopher Luxon\u003C/span\u003E: So why did Wellington ICU specialist Dr Paul Young say recently, \u201CI challenge you to visit any ICU in the country and find one clinician\u2014just one\u2014who can show you their newly staffed ICU beds.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f41a56500bf4ce5b51b9ec03f16a413\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: As I\u2019ve said, we have increased the support and funding for ICU staff. We\u2019ve put an extra $100 million into capital funding for ICU beds. But ultimately, our goal has been not to put pressure on that part of the system. At the peak of this outbreak, my recollection is that we\u2019ve had 11 people in ICU. We have had capacity throughout the pandemic in our ICUs. We\u2019ve had surge capacity of an additional 200 beds. But if the member\u2019s goal is to simply have capacity, open up, and flood the ICU, we have a very different view of pandemic management.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246e6f3c9c86d4bb09761021e386f67ce\u0022\u003EChristopher Luxon\u003C/span\u003E: At any point in the first 12 months of the pandemic, did she actually pick up the phone and instruct her health Minister to increase the number of fully staffed ICU beds; if so, when?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022618b218809d74cd6b7b88cccd5df46eb\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve said multiple times now that part of our pandemic response, of course, has been about enabling not just physical beds but the capability and capacity to properly staff them. You can convert a ward, but you need the qualified staff in order to operate it in a way that people do not die. We have funded that. Again, though, I come back to the point that, throughout this pandemic, our issue has not been pressure on our ICU; our focus has been on making sure we don\u2019t have outbreaks that overwhelm our ICUs. If we at any point got to that level, it would mean contact tracing would have fallen over, it would have meant our public health units would be overwhelmed, it would have meant that we would have been like many other countries, and we have not been.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a70acb8529464256a0f1bba84ad08421\u0022\u003EChristopher Luxon\u003C/span\u003E: Why did it take her 21 months to announce additional funding for ICU beds when, during the same time, New South Wales was able to double their ICU capacity?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d34cd1c2308465f91ff8054d7f81e0e\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: If the member wishes to compare us to a state that had 75,000 cases and when the state of Victoria was setting up infrastructure in its car parks, that is the member\u2019s prerogative. I think what it demonstrates is that, no matter what your surge capacity or your ICU beds is, if you are overwhelmed, you are overwhelmed. No country in the world had capacity that allowed themselves to save people\u2019s lives if their ICUs were overwhelmed. That has never been our goal. We had a different strategy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f39d8954b07248f6bda3fae463eef060\u0022\u003EChristopher Luxon\u003C/span\u003E: What does she say to the Viaduct business owners I spoke with last week who are utterly confused by her traffic light framework, which suggests that they should already be at green; and when will she finally tell them what actually is the criteria for a colour change?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab65e38e1c274c328f8fa09177fefa3e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before that happens, I\u2019ve asked this side; it\u2019s same for the other side. Can you just leave it while questions are being asked?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226b054c3fd734c018bd1db99f913f468\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, I\u2019d say I\u2019m very pleased that we can see them open now. And what I\u2019m also pleased about is that people can go out with confidence, knowing we have an outbreak that is contained and that they can enjoy hospitality services again. I would also say that we very carefully designed the new framework so that it protects people\u2019s health but gives them certainty that, at every level, they can stay open. And, finally, what I would say is what I have said all the way through: this transition point is different. We are easing in at a point where we already have an active outbreak; that\u2019s different from the rest of the times we\u2019ve managed a framework before, and that\u2019s why we will be cautious about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235c15a52f61f415299f56d5faa3fc7ff\u0022\u003EChristopher Luxon\u003C/span\u003E: So, again, what is the criteria to go to orange?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206410b16cdd94d4cade73412a93401f0\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: As I have said in this House many times before, and on the podium many times before, of course vaccination is only one issue; outbreak is another. Auckland is the epicentre of an outbreak in New Zealand that the rest of the country continues to be concerned about. On the one hand, we of course have Auckland businesses that are pleased to be open; in other parts of country, we have concern about the spread of COVID. We have to manage all of those interests.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf1c93e3a9c7458cb62eeb806cd6baea\u0022\u003EChristopher Luxon\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree the failure to increase ICU beds during a pandemic is quite simply another illustration of her Government\u2019s ongoing failure to deliver and to actually get things done?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c821783aef44e22a9cbf06a82c0c1d9\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: My view of delivery\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a5e3f4a8b2e40338bff5ab4957bf3e7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order\u2014both sides!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5f9802fac274fe8819a65a36891974e\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014is the lowest case numbers in the OECD, the lowest level of hospitalisation, the lowest death rate, record low unemployment, growth in our economy, and debt rates relative to other countries in the OECD that are still far lower. I measure our success in the wellbeing of our people, and through joint efforts, we have helped to keep them alive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022586c3b448cd94dcab374df2a1d249083\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: What does the Prime Minister say to a nation whose tangata w\u2019enua now make up the highest hospitalised, doubling in the last month?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f79ab6e3e0a04b13b5a4ca8ec6b5ac5d\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: That we have a duty of care for everyone; that we do need to make sure that we\u2019re extending the protections that are available to us, particularly through vaccinations, to everyone; and that we need to work alongside iwi and hauora providers to make sure we\u2019re reaching those who currently don\u2019t have that level of protection. And what I would also say is that despite the urging of the Opposition to open our international borders, to remove the protections of the COVID protection framework, which they don\u2019t believe in, we will not do that, because we know it is protecting our people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa3d545c28684de4a836580f5871e2ba\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: What does the Prime Minister say, even against the warnings of M\u0101ori health experts, to the nation on why M\u0101ori are now making up more than 50 percent of the Delta cases?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aa2209f1-1889-4c24-b51d-cb2aedc7aa93\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f61e9a0ed9e48e29cd9a68ad33f1769\u0022\u003ERt Hon JACINDA ARDERN\u003C/span\u003E: There I would say that I am heartened by the rates of vaccination in the area that has been most affected by the outbreak. So, in T\u0101maki-makau-rau, we now have first-dose rates at 90 percent, and we\u2019re up to 84 percent first-dose rates across the country. The job is not done. So long as there is anyone that is unprotected by being unvaccinated, we have a job to do. We will not just rely on vaccines, though. Those countries who have had to quickly reimpose lockdowns and restrictions, and that\u2019s why we have the protection framework.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022d45181704c85429ba4b5350d8ddb98a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d45181704c85429ba4b5350d8ddb98a3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before I call the next question, I\u2019m going to just remind new members to the front bench who are very close to my microphone that when you\u2014yes, the two of you\u2014interject, it comes through my microphone and is\u2014[Interruption] No\u2014earlier it was, I think. Not just recently, but through the question time. And, therefore, when you are sitting where you are now\u2014and I sat there for far too long in my political career; it took me a while to learn the lessons\u2014can you just try and turn your volume down a little bit. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd584756b42f44d0b913452561c2d1dd\u0022\u003EChris Penk\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ll try.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3a6508b341140c0b0edadea57ad4584\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ll try?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224aed5ffefacf4697841ddb97dc1f01f5\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Economic and Regional Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022 data-id=\u002230600d5cd34f49afa92797c2ca87c215\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002230600d5cd34f49afa92797c2ca87c215\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT (Labour\u2014Northcote)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Economic and Regional Development: What announcements has he made on resources to support reactivating T\u0101maki Makaurau/Auckland?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022 data-id=\u00228449a99b352b4ee888c91e008a9c8707\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228449a99b352b4ee888c91e008a9c8707\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH (Minister for Economic and Regional Development):\u003C/span\u003E Last week, along with the Prime Minister and the Minister for Social Development, I announced a new support package to help provide economic, social, and cultural activities in Auckland over summer. The Auckland region has been hit hard by COVID-19 alert level restrictions, families need a break, and businesses need new customers. That\u2019s why I\u2019ve worked closely with the Auckland Council and economic development agency Auckland Unlimited to make 100,000 vouchers available for families and individuals for Auckland attractions, as well as discounts for free access to Auckland Council facilities to help get Aucklanders out and experience the city while providing much-needed foot traffic in the CBD. The package also includes a contestable fund for businesses or community organisations to organise events that are free for the public, bringing neighbourhoods and town centres back to life.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241d28fe9f6234f8185d2e525e8632bc0\u0022\u003EShanan Halbert\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Government encouraging Aucklanders to rediscover T\u0101maki-makau-rau?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206c73d3ca7bb4757ad5c919d413b4646\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: We want to encourage Auckland to rediscover the best local businesses and visitor attractions. The new funding will encourage wh\u0101nau to reengage with special qualities that make Auckland vibrant, modern, and exciting. This support will reach a wide range of communities and neighbourhoods through activities like Christmas markets, new year cultural activities, and council-run sports and leisure facilities. This package builds on the Government\u2019s support for Auckland, revitalising households, businesses, and community groups to get out and enjoy the best that the city has to offer through a targeted boost to the regional economy. It builds on other support already paid to date to Auckland workers and businesses, including $1.8 billion in wage subsidies and a further billion for Auckland businesses\u2019 fixed costs through the Resurgence Support Payment. A further transition payment for Auckland, Waikato, and Northland will also pay up to $490 million to businesses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e1cb965ff2f4d97adbfae3d994b528e\u0022\u003EShanan Halbert\u003C/span\u003E: What feedback has the Minister seen on this package?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bbded2ec-ac25-4a73-a380-3f4d87693084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203e39052774044e98fbc7dd29e9ba09c\u0022\u003EHon STUART NASH\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve seen great feedback on this package, including Mayor Phil Goff, who said that\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201CThis funding, which is in addition to the significant financial support already provided to Auckland businesses, recognises the sacrifices Aucklanders have made throughout the COVID-19 response to contain the virus\u201D. Auckland Unlimited chief executive Nick Hill said that they welcome and appreciate the package that will\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201Csupport Aucklanders who have felt the emotional, wellbeing and financial impacts of the latest lockdown.\u201D And, finally, Auckland Business Chamber commerce chief Michael Barnett said the spend was great initiative by the Government and Auckland Council\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201CThe scheme shows that central and our local council are thinking laterally, beyond the critical resurgence, transition and wage subsidy support packages to look ahead to stimulate economic recovery and vitality in the city over summer\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221939e751054b4a02a09b1f040b097630\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Housing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022310fb9a2309e409ebef1426687394dd5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022310fb9a2309e409ebef1426687394dd5\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: Is she confident K\u0101inga Ora is delivering value for money, and what concerns, if any, have been raised with her about K\u0101inga Ora\u2019s approach to public expenditure?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u0022e4731de8147b4e7db994b5ae75951705\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e4731de8147b4e7db994b5ae75951705\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E In reference to the first part of the question, yes, this Government is committed to addressing New Zealand\u2019s housing crisis, and K\u0101inga Ora are key part of our booming Government-led house build programme. K\u0101inga Ora have delivered an extra 8,000 warm, dry public housing places since November 2017, and 6,503 are brand new build homes. This Government is building more homes than any Government since the 1970s. In reference to the second part of the question, the inevitable concerns from private developers have been raised now that under this Government, K\u0101inga Ora is an active participant in the housing market\u2014rather than just a bystander\u2014through its land programme. However, our Government does realise that simply leaving the market to provide affordable houses for New Zealanders is exactly the type of thinking that delivered us a housing crisis.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af9d9e9be7d0462cae9210c89f2087e8\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Why did K\u0101inga Ora pay more than $70 million for Ferncliffe Farm in Tauranga, out-competing as many as 10 other prospective buyers who were ready to build houses on that land?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a9e24a64c37427d93a00e135b4fcd26\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Because when we established the $2 billion fund for K\u0101inga Ora to go out and buy land, it had very clear criteria around what needed to be there. Increasing their supply of affordable housing and social housing were a key part of it. And I do note that on 1 July, one of those bidders for the land wrote to me, telling me that the Ferncliffe Farm\u2014the development of this precinct\u2014would result in the creation of the most prestigious residential enclave in the Tauranga region, and further went on to say that it was in no way suited to the development of affordable housing. So, the reason why our Government paid $70 million for that land is because Tauranga has a housing crisis and it needs affordable houses, and on this side of the House we stand on the side of people wanting to provide those, not those standing for the most prestigious residential enclaves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229dc3dea2c87443bea5a9ca5d4d49e1c8\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Why should taxpayers have confidence that the Government agency which oversees KiwiBuild will get houses built on that land faster than a proven private developer would? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e1de63dc1c5468bac63c667eb4aa4d4\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I go back to the stats that I gave in the answer to the primary question: that as a Government, since November 2017, we have delivered 6,503 new build public houses. But where taxpayers can have some comfort is that we are a developer, through K\u0101inga Ora, that is committed to the provision of affordable and social housing. Other private developers who wanted to develop the land wanted to create the most prestigious residential enclave in Tauranga, and informed us it was in no way suitable for social housing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d43bc7897226467b8b0b38533d79d8a1\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Has she received complaints from major housing developers warning that K\u0101inga Ora\u2019s use of taxpayer funds to over-bid for land is stopping those developers from getting houses built, and is she concerned the Government\u2019s use of taxpayer money is pumping up the price of land? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4e0a2a11aaf4733b8c703efff7e4c3a\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: In relation to this particular parcel of land, there were two valuations, as per our policy, one of which was $68 million, the other was a range between $72.2 million and $74.8 million. We paid $70.4 million, so it was at the lower end of the valuations. We can say with absolute surety to private developers that we won\u2019t be competing with them to build the most prestigious residential enclaves in the country; we will be looking to build affordable and social housing. But I know that member is a member of a party that thought market participation in housing was flogging off social housing. We are one that thinks actual market participation is building houses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208c98417c7eb4fcead6e1a5b574b6999\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Why has K\u0101inga Ora spent more than $800 million on her Government\u2019s watch, purchasing homes on the private market in direct competition with first-home buyers, and does she think that\u2019s a good use of taxpayer money?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227dcc1e4f0503479fb18810fa5cf9613f\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: We have been over this many times in this House, around what the rate of buy-in by K\u0101inga Ora is. Under our Government, it has been trending down. It is currently this year somewhere around 21 percent, although I will need to check that number. I would put that against the buy-in rate from the private market of the previous National Government that got into the high 60 percent number. We represent something like less than 1 percent of all real estate transitions. That member should come up with some ideas of how it is we\u2019re going to solve the housing crisis rather than flirting around the edges like this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022834b4159344e4cae91401f52dde46f7b\u0022\u003EBrooke van Velden\u003C/span\u003E: How can she ensure that K\u0101inga Ora will always build more affordable homes than would have already been built to make up for bidding up the price of land?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229853347057a7464bb734421085b78974\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: When K\u0101inga Ora comes to Ministers and to Cabinet with a business case for the purchase of land, it has to have a break-down of what the plan for the building of houses through this fund will be. As a Government, we will always require K\u0101inga Ora to set aside affordable and public housing as part of that mix. That is why there is a case for public intervention and what differentiates us from private developers who want to use similar or the same parcels of land, in the case that has been brought up by the National Party, to develop the most prestigious residential enclave in Tauranga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec9b89915f024b3dbc5db84fc161501c\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: How can taxpayers be confident that K\u0101inga Ora is achieving value for the $2 billion K\u0101inga Ora land programme when documents released to me under the Official Information Act show Treasury has raised extensive concerns about the role of the programme, including coordination, decision making, and consultation issues?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022933e9463454f40a3a2a1975ec62d8bab\u0022\u003EHon Grant Robertson\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not unusual.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf542458fab84aa5bacb8432d5d4344d\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: As the Minister of Finance said, that is not an unusual situation. But how taxpayers can have confidence is that we have in place a clear process around what needs to be in a business case when it is being considered, what needs to be put in place, and, of course, there is external scrutiny of these as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e960cdf88fd14478b83eb2c8c5319e76\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Women\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u0022259fe0b52394481e86fed11d35584e13\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022259fe0b52394481e86fed11d35584e13\u0022\u003EGINNY ANDERSEN (Labour\u2014Hutt South)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Women: What progress has she seen on the $2 million COVID-19 community fund for women and girls?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u002245da9240e4a344a7bf07ceedc584b68c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002245da9240e4a344a7bf07ceedc584b68c\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI (Minister for Women):\u003C/span\u003E Funding from the $2 million COVID19 Community Fund for women and girls has now been allocated to 160 successful applicants. Funding will support organisations helping w\u0101hine and k\u014Dtiro in Aotearoa New Zealand affected by the pandemic. This is the second time we have run this highly successful fund, and it is a proven model to reach our most vulnerable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a120c4271c14431810c7bbf8760a5ea\u0022\u003EGinny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: How will this funding make a difference in the lives of women and girls?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce48d4ea66834ce9b12528fa6469cda4\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI\u003C/span\u003E: This fund is supporting grassroots organisations that work with women and girls who have been detrimentally affected by the pandemic. This fund can help safeguard women\u2019s wellbeing. Successful applicants from this fund range from support for mental health services, safe houses for women and children experiencing family violence, support for retraining and upskilling for women who have lost their jobs, as well as increased support for volunteers that support women and girls, and essential supplies such as food, nappies, and sanitary products for marginalised women and girls.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0288526963644a59afa4cddb5922977\u0022\u003EGinny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: What other work is under way to support women and girls following the nationwide COVID-19 lockdown?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022667ae4858a8a47b6be915282a332db99\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI\u003C/span\u003E: We have a large number of projects under way that will help support women and girls following the nationwide COVID-19 lockdown. First, we are identifying and minimising barriers for women in employment through our Women\u2019s Employment Action Plan. We have seen welfare reforms ranging from lifting incomes for families and reducing sanctions on mothers. We\u2019ve seen a reduction in both the unemployment rates for women and the Public Service gender pay gap, and we continue to see the free period products roll out across New Zealand for all students. But I would like to make a special mention of Minister Davidson and her launch this morning of Te Aorerekura, the country\u2019s first national strategy to eliminate family violence and sexual violence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225b2467604e9349f0aa668c78ea6f9da8\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022 data-id=\u002275e86c1a3ace444e8f92afc7031481f3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002275e86c1a3ace444e8f92afc7031481f3\u0022\u003EHon SIMON BRIDGES (National\u2014Tauranga)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by his statement in his Budget speech earlier this year that wage growth \u201Cwill outpace inflation, meaning more money in Kiwis\u2019 back pockets\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022d0670a735dd844ceac91d4847830f71d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d0670a735dd844ceac91d4847830f71d\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Can I first congratulate the member on his new role. I stand by my statement in the context that those were the Treasury\u2019s Budget forecast at the time. But as the member might appreciate more than most, sometimes events can move quickly and numbers can shift around.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c58cb760219649bcb1d345712ac45cb7\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Very good. Does he accept the Government has failed to deliver on his Budget promise, considering inflation is now nearly 5 percent, more than double wage inflation of just 2.4 percent?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e5b7076d2164534906ab48b090e06fd\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Those were the forecasts at the time and I can assure the member that wage growth continues to be forecast to be strong, as it is at the moment around 3.5 percent. Inflation has risen, but the member will be aware that is a global phenomenon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b00d397f8b5486b8618c7e86b974907\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Well, does he accept that if wages are growing at 2.4 percent, inflation is growing at 5 percent, and house prices are growing at 30 percent, then New Zealanders are going backwards, in real terms, under this Government\u2019s watch?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022244f914964a24fa686f0c717e6368d58\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: No. What I do accept is, on this side of the House, we have had an economy that has grown faster than most others in the world through the COVID pandemic, that has unemployment at 3.4 percent, and that Standard \u0026amp; Poor\u2019s lifted our credit rating on. Yes, of course, a high inflation environment is challenging, and I look forward to the member\u2019s support for things like a minimum wage increase.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244d6c6062f79468e9a54401e104e715c\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept the view of ANZ economists who said last week that \u201CAll households are seeing cost increases, but for low-income Kiwis who spend the bulk of their income on essential goods and services, it\u2019s particularly hard to make ends meet right now; and for low income houses in this environment, the choice quickly becomes \u2018Do I have lunch this week or pay the rent?\u2019 \u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7b373c79a6d4b02a1d6249f5fb9db39\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: What I do accept is that, yes, low-income households are affected more by inflation increases, which is why it\u2019s so disappointing that the National Party has opposed the benefit increases that this Government has put in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022badb0a39-849c-462a-b32f-77fc017c9fc2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022215307d7b5a043ab81ac389d1587a0d2\u0022\u003EHon Simon Bridges\u003C/span\u003E: Isn\u2019t it now becoming obvious that this Government\u2019s economic management is failing New Zealanders because the cost of living is outstripping wage growth $2 to $1?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ba83fabd1cc49ca9914297630cdb648\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: No. What is obvious is that this Government has invested in making sure that New Zealanders keep their jobs; has seen an unemployment rate of 3.4 percent; and that Standard \u0026amp; Poor\u2019s, an international rating agency, gave us a credit uplift. I\u2019ll tend to listen to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220cd3d4d0f7624b78b90cb86c2b093a54\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002234ec4a4e-60bd-4a4d-b211-10f9324db3ac\u0022 data-id=\u002220d19f0763ea4e4098da1d8631d25f39\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002234ec4a4e-60bd-4a4d-b211-10f9324db3ac\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002220d19f0763ea4e4098da1d8631d25f39\u0022\u003EDr GAURAV SHARMA (Labour\u2014Hamilton West)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Health: What recent announcements has she made about testing for COVID-19?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022 data-id=\u0022cf1fba93a8d346dba2e85e728d2395ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cf1fba93a8d346dba2e85e728d2395ac\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Testing remains one of the key public health measures underpinning our response to COVID-19 and our successful transition to the COVID-19 Protection Framework. Last week, I announced we had passed a milestone of more than 5 million PCR tests processed. New Zealand\u2019s test positivity rate, a key measure of the effectiveness of our testing system, has consistently been one of the lowest in the world. That gives us confidence that we\u2019re missing very few cases in the community. I want to thank the thousands of skilled and dedicated workers who collect and process tests every day, as well as the team of 5 million who have now all been tested.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002234ec4a4e-60bd-4a4d-b211-10f9324db3ac\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225bb768e322484402ad53d75c1de73832\u0022\u003EDr Gaurav Sharma\u003C/span\u003E: What work is under way to ensure we continue to have sufficient testing capacity?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0992be68a774bfb8887ac39a754f206\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL\u003C/span\u003E: Last month, I announced a new testing strategy to support the transition to the new framework and to help minimise the spread of COVID19. A key part of that plan was expanding our PCR testing capacity. By the end of the year, we are on track to have a standing capacity for 40,000 PCR tests per day, and that will build to 60,000 in the first quarter of next year. Nasopharyngeal PCR tests will continue to be used as the primary diagnostic test, but this will be supplemented by saliva-based PCR testing, rapid antigen testing, and rapid PCR tests.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002234ec4a4e-60bd-4a4d-b211-10f9324db3ac\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022186f514320a0477f8834475dc3fedeb4\u0022\u003EDr Gaurav Sharma\u003C/span\u003E: What role do rapid antigen tests play in the new testing strategy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b28a92c08630423fbac76fae83caef9c\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL\u003C/span\u003E: The health advice is to continue to have a PCR test if you have COVID-19 symptoms. However, with more and more New Zealanders gaining protection through vaccinations, we can now introduce a wider range of routine testing options.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ec406e3e1d74e1cb27703ba6cc80321\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: What a great idea!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d010737c820431985708c3d333b87e7\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL\u003C/span\u003E: Rapid antigen tests can provide a result in 15 minutes, but require a high viral load and are more effective in the early stages of an individual\u2019s infectious period. The member opposite might want to listen\u2014he might learn something. They perform well when there is COVID in the community. These tests are now available to all businesses and healthcare settings in New Zealand, and, from 15 December, they will be available to the general public at pharmacies, with tests to be administered under the supervision of pharmacy staff. For asymptomatic surveillance testing, two or three times a week is recommended, and a PCR test will be required to confirm any positive results.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224a1cd9bb78bd4c0eb9b229ac229f2314\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014COVID-19 Response\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022448b46b264dd47639a583b3c9eeb3bad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022448b46b264dd47639a583b3c9eeb3bad\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for COVID-19 Response: Is he satisfied with the implementation of the COVID-19 Protection Framework, and what criteria, if any, exist for Auckland to move from Red to Orange in this framework? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022486614085c214c4a9f5b48c2692bdd1f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022486614085c214c4a9f5b48c2692bdd1f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Minister for COVID-19 Response):\u003C/span\u003E Absolutely yes, and I\u2019m incredibly proud of New Zealanders who have stepped up to be vaccinated, allowing us to move to that new framework: 94 percent of the eligible population have now had at least one dose of the vaccine, and 88 percent of the country have had two doses. As the Prime Minister set out yesterday and today, New Zealanders have shifted to the new framework relatively smoothly, and it\u2019s a testament to the adaptability and pragmatism of New Zealanders who just want to get the job done. With any significant transition like this, there will inevitably be a few issues that we\u2019ll continue to work through as they arise. In response to the second part of the member\u2019s question, we have outlined a number of health- and non - health-related criteria that will guide Cabinet\u2019s decision on how regions may move colours in the future. Given the majority of the country\u2019s cases are still coming from Auckland, being at red at this point helps to minimise the number of new cases ahead of the 15 December removal of the boundary around Auckland and, therefore, reduce the risk to the rest of New Zealand. As we settle into the new traffic light framework, people will see that our COVID response remains one where we push forward cautiously with fewer restrictions, more careful travel around the country, and family and friends united. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e60154ac521e45bda944d048a6aed4ad\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Has Cabinet settled on a number for vaccination and hospitalisations that would allow a region to move from red to orange and from orange to green, and, if so, what is the number? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf37fe071e1c4f699fb051544b1ee7f5\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: No, in answer to the first part of the question. As with our alert level system\u2014the one that we have just transitioned away from\u2014there is a need to consider a balance of factors. We did not have hard and fast rules as to exactly the trigger points for moving between level 1 and level 2, level 2 and level 3, and level 3 and level 4. We made those decisions based on a balance of facts presented at the time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a190f0f468524137a3cec3a3d20309d5\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: How can he be satisfied with the traffic light system when on Friday night the official food and drink service guidelines were changed to state that it wasn\u2019t mandatory for workers to be vaccinated\u2014a complete contradiction from what was announced two weeks earlier? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244a5fecbed354fa3b53451c83e7c6b7f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: The main change that happened on Friday night was greater clarity for those businesses who were trying to figure out whether they would count as a food service or a retail service, and so the guidelines were\u2014basically, greater clarity was provided so that for those businesses that, effectively, operate on a retail basis rather than people coming and dining in, they had greater clarity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223213886acddf4d9ca02af27fe28a374b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Education (School Operations)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022a6694f598f254851a2ac03ff1aa9acae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a6694f598f254851a2ac03ff1aa9acae\u0022\u003ETEANAU TUIONO (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Education (School Operations): Is she confident that education is accessible for disabled and high-needs tamariki across Aotearoa?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u00223e7fc3c542d1468aafc755097fc03aa4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e7fc3c542d1468aafc755097fc03aa4\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI (Associate Minister of Education (School Operations)):\u003C/span\u003E Our Government is committed to barrier-free access to education for all students, but we know that there is work to do to address the fact that some students aren\u2019t getting the right support they need when they need it. This is why in October, we announced a review into the support for students who are considered the highest needs for learning support intervention. This review will ensure that the tamariki of Aotearoa are receiving the education they deserve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5296a79d3974c659ab68202eade67b9\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: What is her response to reports that, on average, tamariki are waiting 80 days to access an early intervention service and that one-third of Ongoing Resourcing Scheme (ORS) funding applications are being rejected?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022399cf4d36e0f421281127a2abf713a7a\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI\u003C/span\u003E: Reducing the time that children wait for support continues to be a priority. The ministry has made progress with reducing wait times, and there\u2019s been significant increases in funding since 2018, but more work is needed in this area, and we do need to look at different ways that we can reduce those wait times by working with wh\u0101nau in a variety of different ways. What I would say for those people who are waiting or putting in ORS funding applications: these are the sorts of stories and the sorts of experiences that I want people to be able to tell in the high-needs review, so I ask and plead with those people who have had those experiences to please tell those stories to the high-needs reviews. I will also say that the wait times are in scope of the high-needs review.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bf534592dcc46a38238bb0beeed2247\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: Does she think learning support is adequately funded when parents are often paying for teacher-aides out of pocket or are making large donations so their tamariki can have support?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfb2f328a5fa422da64410feda22dde1\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI\u003C/span\u003E: Teacher-aides are incredible and do an amazing job of supporting our learners who have the highest needs within our schooling system, and conversations regarding funding mechanisms for teacher-aides are ongoing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ead76593c414f818fe420c7aade686f\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree that a dedicated learning support coordinator or Special Education Needs Coordinator in every school and early childhood education centre would make schools more accessible for disabled tamariki, and, if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227617202ab55849d3b07fd34b1f887b42\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI\u003C/span\u003E: We currently have evaluations that are in place around learning support coordinators that were implemented by this Government into about 620, 630 schools in this country. So we are waiting to see the final of that evaluation coming through. What I am very aware of is that I don\u2019t want to see a system that is bits and pieces here and there. One of the issues that we have seen in this country is that we have had a system that is not joined up and does not adequately meet the needs of our young people. I am really looking forward to the third tranche of that evaluation coming through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac80359f952245328e20fbbd33612b07\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: What is she doing to increase the number of specialists such as psychologists, physiotherapists, and resource teachers to meet student need?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba8de448edb34d7c8d2c6672a9f580f3\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI\u003C/span\u003E: Another group that are critically important for our tamariki in this country who have those high needs\u2014and I was a principal under the last National Government where that funding for those people was frozen due to the staffing freeze at that time. I know how important those people are, which is why this Government has put more funding in for those specialist people, including Budget 2021, with the intensive wraparound service support that we were able to get funding for that saw more psychologists go into place. But, clearly, there is more work to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022025a6739f4ad4bd2a7a08850b1396a19\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: Will she commit to ensuring that disabled children are not discriminated against in the education system and that all necessary steps are taken to ensure disabled children can thrive as learners in our schools?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022650b3f78e6db478db6b44d8ae5edfe1e\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI\u003C/span\u003E: That is exactly the intent of the high-needs review. We need a system that is responsive to the needs of our learner. We need that system to be able to move around the child rather than the child having to change for the needs of the system. That is exactly what I want to hear coming through from that high-needs review.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002280cb8bb56d8a40078d3179fa0952ca56\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022 data-id=\u0022f07581d5c5b84ccd917c4f05d2c16b4c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f07581d5c5b84ccd917c4f05d2c16b4c\u0022\u003EDr SHANE RETI (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: When will the first of the new ICU beds that he announced last week be operational, and why was this investment not made 21 months ago, when COVID-19 first reached our shores?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u002264e918cfa1d143b4b6d11bed71f92776\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002264e918cfa1d143b4b6d11bed71f92776\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E The additional ICU beds are planned to be operational in Canterbury, Waitemat\u0101, and Bay of Plenty DHBs by June 2022. These additional beds are funded out of an additional $100 million allocated for ICU infrastructure and supported by $544 million of operational funding available to fund ongoing costs like staffing, and this continues our trend of significant investment in the health system. In answer to the second part of the member\u2019s question: 21 months ago, the country was facing a significant period of uncertainty because of COVID-19. Our immediate focus, other than implementing a world-leading elimination strategy was on preparing existing facilities to surge up their capacity and to train staff to meet demand. This included purchasing more ventilators and improving oxygen in ventilation systems. In parallel, DHBs and the Ministry of Health started planning last year for permanent ICU capacity increases, using existing buildings and capability to meet any surge needs we might require. This worked successfully as we continued to eliminate COVID-19. Now as we continue to transition to the next stage of our response, DHBs have worked with the Ministry of Health to identify subcapital projects to physically expand designated ICU capacity and to resource these through workforce development and recruitment. This work has resulted in our ability to significantly increase baseline resourced ICU capacity by June 2022. It should be remembered that the New Zealand hospital system, even before the arrival of COVID, was widely regarded as being light in ICU capacity, a state which followed a significant increase in population from 2009 to 2017, accompanied by a significant under-investment in the public health system during that time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc5fa1dae7f14adab488b5c38e3c388a\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept, then, any responsibility for what Sir Brian Roche\u2019s independent COVID review found as, \u201Cthe very poor level of preparedness of hospitals for Delta.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270216592dd7d4cbab7f553de7ab59fe1\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think the performance of our hospital system in response to Delta, particularly in Auckland and more recently in Waikato, has been absolutely exemplary. You only have to look at the treatment that COVID patients have been given that has meant that, on average, their stays in hospital have been shorter than comparable cases around the world, and the stays in ICU have been shorter than have been necessary. That is entirely due to the clinical treatment of our COVID patients in our hospital system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022633524fc5edf4fb79756cc98ecf19917\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: Why are DHBs with high M\u0101ori and low vaccination rates not part of the very first ICU announcement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228df1bbe4e8bf41c5905a2b19ef5bff5c\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: The reality is the $100 million fund is available to all DHBs to present propositions for ICU expanded capacity. But the other point I would make is this: as the system has geared up to respond to COVID-19, as we enter the protection framework, as we remove the Auckland boundary over the next couple of weeks, and as people move around the country, and more DHBs and more hospitals will be picking up COVID patients, those hospitals have been setting themselves up to operate as regional networks of hospitals so that hospitals are supporting each other to make sure that they can afford the care and treatment that COVID patients need in the weeks and months ahead.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b3f213896f3450990d7e17529c05e34\u0022\u003EDr Shane Reti\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022279724de625941a59d3c0e6f29940e46\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! That concludes oral questions. Nice try!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223fd43e534aeb4ea4936532291f4cbd4d\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022353bcc0f532c44bea5c444229cd90398\u0022\u003ECOVID-19 Response\u2014Report into Deaths in Self-Isolation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u002279b253662c944b5da127e03b5d09ade8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002279b253662c944b5da127e03b5d09ade8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I have received a letter from Brooke van Velden seeking to debate under Standing Order 399 the findings of the independent review panel into two COVID-19 deaths in self-isolation. This is a particular matter of recent occurrence for which there is ministerial responsibility. The report was presented during the last adjournment. The matter is an important one. The report found that the deaths were potentially preventable. There is no other foreseeable opportunity to debate it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EBefore I call Brooke van Velden to move that the House takes note of this matter of urgent public importance, I do want to note that we have, within the precinct, a very large group of people who are here to view on screens Government order of the day No. 3, and, therefore, I seek the leave of the House for the urgent debate to take place after the conclusion of order of the day No. 3. Is there any objection to that occurring? There appears to be none. I\u2019ll now call, therefore, Chris Hipkins, for Government notice of motion No. 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u002207374df04a40473abcd5cb5a17171ba6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002207374df04a40473abcd5cb5a17171ba6\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Before I do that, a point of order, Mr Speaker. In making your decision on the urgent debate, I just wanted to check you were aware that that matter is still subject of a coroner\u2019s investigation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022571251d850bd4faf917828a537f16e1a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022571251d850bd4faf917828a537f16e1a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It might well be, but the Government, through its agency, has responded.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022efbf7897fbec4fe7bf5e8987b418d1ca\u0022\u003EOffices of Parliament\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002204b2adf8e8f34486941365f6648e0591\u0022\u003EAddress to Governor-General\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022118a5542ae9a42f4ab3a14a9cd549f00\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022118a5542ae9a42f4ab3a14a9cd549f00\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That a respectful Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor-General, commending to Her Excellency the alteration to the appropriation for the 2021/22 financial year in respect of Vote Audit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022983fa20f95644bfb92e63c488caf77c8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022983fa20f95644bfb92e63c488caf77c8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The proposed Address is available on the Table of the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EAddress adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e07494538801484aa5d1318cbab22456\u0022\u003EMotions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a039a09948ab42a3a7df650f61b936d6\u0022\u003EParliamentary Precincts\u2014Addition and Exclusion of Premises\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022f77f6dc92b5f40bfb692f4799857fee7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f77f6dc92b5f40bfb692f4799857fee7\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That under section 25(1) and (2) of the Parliamentary Service Act 2000 and effective on 25 November 2021, this House\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003Erevoke the Parliamentary Service (Additional Parliamentary Precincts) Resolution 2006, and \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003Eexclude from the parliamentary precincts the land and premises that are subject to the Bowen House lease, and\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003Eadd the following land or premises to the parliamentary precincts:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ethe land and buildings at 147 Lambton Quay, Wellington contained in record of title WN53A/210 and leased by the Parliamentary Corporation as at the date of this resolution, comprising levels 1 - 14 of the building, being 8,129.30m2 more or less, and the bike cage and 11 carparks in the basement of the building:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ethe land or premises known in the Bowen House lease as the Executive Wing Link, being the underground tunnel under Bowen Street linking Bowen House and the Executive Wing:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ethat part of the ground level of the building known in the Bowen House lease as Bowen House required for the purposes of maintaining access through to the Executive Wing Link:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ethe land and buildings at No. 1 The Terrace and No. 3 The Terrace in Certificate of Title WN 41C/804 and Certificate of Title WN 41C/805 and leased by the Parliamentary Corporation as at the date of this resolution, comprising:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003Ethe Sub-Basement (Viewing Gallery) at No. 3 The Terrace, being an area of 567.3m2, and\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp 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id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a719c8683e4494da8485d2c0aa8db04\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to. Those of that opinion will say Aye, to the contrary, No. No amendment for the Backbencher? The Ayes have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00220e5e9054e510494d9837e9cd656d4a2d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220e5e9054e510494d9837e9cd656d4a2d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022457073d50de04fb6897a7290457f8dac\u0022\u003EAhuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002256e5d76a4650460aab2a77e663ece61b\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00223228229ed9f048de8684b1e44e87d88c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223228229ed9f048de8684b1e44e87d88c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee for the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill. We come first to Part 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b412fa50d71044538a33797c0ddf5fbb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b412fa50d71044538a33797c0ddf5fbb\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave for all questions to be taken as one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00228e08368eb671416ab40c685ced0a3fb0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228e08368eb671416ab40c685ced0a3fb0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There appears to be none. Therefore, the question is that Parts 1 to 4, Schedules 1 to 5, and clauses 1 and 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002247108bdb6d874d3086a3e393705fb8f9\u0022\u003EParts 1 to 4, Schedules 1 to 5, and clauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u002287624eb2c2784d629e7296e36bffa924\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002287624eb2c2784d629e7296e36bffa924\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E This is an opportunity for the House in committee to deal with a Supplementary Order Paper (SOP) that deals with some technical matters. It amends the bill so that it is consistent with the most recent Trusts Act\u2014the Trusts Act 2019\u2014and so that those things line up. Nothing material changes in relation to the rest of the bill and the settlement, and therefore the deed. So this just makes sure that those things are consistent. The SOP has been prepared in consultation with the relevant agencies and the Mana Ahuriri Trust, and everybody has agreed with the proposed changes, and on that basis I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee8112cb175d48368a9161200e7a5f36\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee8112cb175d48368a9161200e7a5f36\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I stand as the National Party representative for this committee of the whole House stage, and concur with the Minister in the address to the committee this afternoon that the report on the bill, reported back by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, dated 10 August 2020, indicated that the recommendations were for proposed amendments which are minor and technical, and that the committee does not recommend any amendments to the bill as a result of the submissions that have been written and also heard. There were 34 submissions from interested groups and individuals, and oral evidence from nine submitters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThere was some contention in relation to the process around ratification and mandated authorities. It was deemed appropriate by the select committee after hearing those submissions that the matter was not something that was addressed within the bill\u2019s provisions, and, therefore, the committee deemed it appropriate that the recommendations regarding the elections were not something to be duly considered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThe only other aspect in relation to the submissions\u2014there were three submissions that were heard by the committee in relation to the summary of the historical account, and, as is often the case with many of these Treaty settlement bills, there are variable accounts based on whakapapa and based on the history that is recorded and passed down. The committee was of the view that in terms of addressing and resolving some of those recordings or differing perspectives as to what the hap\u016B\u2019s version as has been recorded in the bill, it was agreed that those differences in perspectives would be published on Te Arawhiti\u2019s website. And, accordingly, the committee came to the view that there was no need for any further amendments to the bill\u2019s provisions. So, accordingly, at this committee of the whole House stage, I commend the bill to the House for the third reading passage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u002218866143227949568258b9f0708fda99\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002218866143227949568258b9f0708fda99\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 60 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00226b34c990fc4e4e178600368cc4b18b6d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b34c990fc4e4e178600368cc4b18b6d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Parts 1 to 4, Schedules 1 to 5, and clauses 1 and 2, as amended, stand part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EParts 1 to 4, Schedules 1 to 5, and clauses 1 and 2, as amended, agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EBill to be reported with amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022eb8a1e736eea42cba5cff5c5f6aa76fb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eb8a1e736eea42cba5cff5c5f6aa76fb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Adrian Rurawhe)\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, the committee has considered the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill and reports it with amendment. I move, That the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022 data-id=\u00222f74e85d21f64382809205825fb8910f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222f74e85d21f64382809205825fb8910f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: In accordance with a determination of the Business Committee, this bill is set down for third reading forthwith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e6a33b0c0892460586f0dad96194f37d\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u002289e343318b76484eab0eff8c4aeb4a66\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002289e343318b76484eab0eff8c4aeb4a66\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move that the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e37548e79a874a569cf3dc081371487d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. You\u2019re presenting a legislative statement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c7ab3a1ad53434083c4a192c4aaa3ba\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I present a legislative statement to the House on the Mana Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279db8b64-1f9b-4416-9b81-a12963db9cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f75792336dd34149ad91f71ef4a87266\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website. The Hon Andrew Little.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262ae85e35f564617ba5a8a58444b82ee\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge that on the precincts of Parliament there are representatives of Mana Ahuriri who are here to mark this historic occasion. That is to say, the third reading of their bill. I know they are watching and I extend a very warm welcome to them. Many have travelled here today to be part of this occasion and to see and to witness for themselves this very important occasion. Ko aku mihi atu ki a koutou, ng\u0101 uri o Ahuriri Hap\u016B, nau mai haere mai ki t\u0113nei Whare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E[I greet you, the tribal descendants of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B, welcome to this House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI, again, say welcome. This day marks the final stage in progressing the Mana Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill by giving effect to their Treaty settlement. In doing this, it begins a process of healing and building a new, positive, and enduring relationship between the Crown and Ahuriri Hap\u016B. I acknowledge the patience and fortitude that Ahuriri Hap\u016B have shown over the many years that they have waited for this settlement. The Ahuriri Hap\u016B journey to settlement started in 1988, with their first claim filed with the Waitangi Tribunal. On 13 June 1995, the Waitangi Tribunal published its report on Te Whanganui-a-Orotu, recommending the Crown consider the return of the Landcorp farm, Roro o Kuri, and the Ahuriri Estuary. Negotiations began with the granting of mandate in February 2010. Six years of negotiations led to the Ahuriri Hap\u016B deed of settlement being signed on 2 November 2016.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EFollowing the deed of settlement signing, the Waitangi Tribunal heard an urgent claim regarding the mandate of Mana Ahuriri Incorporated. The tribunal recommended that full elections for all post settlement governance entity trustees be held prior to the legislation being passed. Following an agreement with the Mana Ahuriri Trust to hold trustee elections, this bill was introduced on 20 December 2019 and full elections were completed early this year. In addition to these challenges, since introduction the settlement legislation has also been delayed by the COVID-19 outbreak. Most recently, this third reading was scheduled for August this year, but was then delayed due to the country moving to alert level 4 lockdown in response to community transmission of the Delta variant of COVID-19.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s important to mention these challenges, if only to highlight the strength and persistence of Mana Ahuriri to reach this final milestone. It is finally time for the Crown to make redress to the people of Ahuriri for its breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I\u2019m saddened that Ahuriri Hap\u016B cannot be here physically in this session today, but it is nevertheless a great privilege and an honour to stand here today in this House to support enactment of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill as they watch from the banquet hall. I acknowledge the seven hap\u016B of Ahuriri Hap\u016B: Ng\u0101ti Hinepare, Ng\u0101ti M\u0101hu, Ng\u0101ti Matep\u016B, Ng\u0101ti Paarau, Ng\u0101i T\u0101whao, Ng\u0101i Te Ruruku, and Ng\u0101ti T\u016B. I wish to acknowledge those who are not with us today to witness the outcome of years of hard work, courage, and commitment. We cannot and do not forget those who have suffered the grievances and those who initiated and carried the claims process for the seven hap\u016B of Ahuriri. They are in our thoughts today. I particularly wish to acknowledge the leadership and work of Piri Prentice, Heitia Hiha, Barry Wilson, Joinella Maihi-Carroll, and Tania Eden, who have all completed a long and difficult task with a clear purpose and have done an excellent job for Ahuriri Hap\u016B.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EOn the Crown side, this long overdue settlement has been the work of successive Governments and numerous officials, and, in particular, I acknowledge and thank the Hon Paul Swain for his role as chief Crown negotiator; T\u0101 John Clarke for his role in assisting to bring Ahuriri Hap\u016B closer together; my predecessors, the late Hon Dr Sir Michael Cullen and the Hon Christopher Finlayson, who both worked closely with the Ahuriri Hap\u016B negotiation team; and officials from across agencies who have led and supported negotiations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill gives effect to the settlement package set out in the Ahuriri Hap\u016B deed of settlement, and acknowledges all the historic Te Tiriti o Waitangi claims of Ahuriri Hap\u016B. The bill, like the deed, acknowledges the Crown\u2019s historic breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, but also seeks to go some way in providing Ahuriri Hap\u016B with a strong foundation for their future social, cultural, and economic development. The historical account records that Ahuriri Hap\u016B sought to establish an ongoing and mutually beneficial relationship with the Crown after 1840. Ahuriri Hap\u016B, as Treaty partners, have fulfilled their obligations under the Treaty of Waitangi, something that the Crown has not done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EAhuriri Hap\u016B have suffered severe and lasting prejudice as a result of the Crown\u2019s breaches. The interests of Ahuriri Hap\u016B were not protected by the Crown when it purchased land or by the native land laws when they provided for a small number of individuals to dispossess hap\u016B and members of their lands. Not only have the hap\u016B been left virtually landless, but environmental change and urban development in the rohe of Ahuriri Hap\u016B, including Te Whanganui-a-Orotu, have been sources of great distress for the hap\u016B. The socioeconomic consequences of the Crown\u2019s breaches have been dire.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EA particular grievance addressed through the settlement relates to the Crown\u2019s 1866 attacks on \u014Cmarunui and Herepoho during the New Zealand Wars. The Crown resorted to force to settle a crisis that should have been resolved peacefully. Some members of the hap\u016B were killed defending themselves against the Crown\u2019s attacks, while others were captured by Crown forces and detained without trial in harsh conditions on the Chatham Islands. These events caused deep and long-lasting divisions amongst the hap\u016B, some of whom exercised their rangatiratanga to fight at the Crown\u2019s side. Some members of Ahuriri Hap\u016B made claims in the Waitangi Tribunal regarding the historical redress and the Ahuriri Hap\u016B deed of settlement, including in relation to \u014Cmarunui. To address those claims, the Crown agreed to record the perspectives of those claimants regarding the Battle of \u014Cmarunui. I\u2019m pleased to note that this work is currently under way, and I hope those agreements can be completed as soon as possible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ENo settlement package can ever truly fully compensate for the loss Ahuriri Hap\u016B have suffered for generations. In spite of this, Ahuriri Hap\u016B have graciously accepted a package of redress to acknowledge their connections to land and resources of significance. Due to the delay of years between signing the deed of settlement and today, it is appropriate to record for the Hansard some of that redress given effect to by this bill. A key piece of redress relates to Te Whanganui-a-Orotu, or the Ahuriri Estuary. The Crown acknowledges that Te Whanganui-a-Orotu and the islands in it are prized taonga and recognises the role of Ahuriri Hap\u016B as kaitiaki. The settlement provides for the establishment of a permanent multiparty statutory committee to promote the protection and enhancement of the environmental, economic, social, spiritual, historical, and cultural values of Te Muriwai o Te Whanga for present and future generations of the entire Napier community. In addition, Ahuriri Hap\u016B will receive cultural, commercial, and financial redress, including a kaitiaki fund to assist the work of the Estuary Management Committee; a right to purchase Ahuriri Station, as the tribunal recommended in 1995; a right to purchase the Crown\u2019s shares in Hawke\u2019s Bay Airport; the Crown\u2019s gift to Ahuriri Hap\u016B of Heipipi p\u0101 at the head Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu; the gift of Conservation House in Napier and land at Pakake; $19.5 million in financial redress; and shares in the Kaweka Gwavas Forestry Company.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EWhile nothing can compensate Ahuriri Hap\u016B for the harm the Crown caused them and their tipuna, through this settlement the Crown acknowledges and finally takes responsibility for the harm it has caused. It\u2019s my hope that this Treaty settlement will provide a platform from which Ahuriri Hap\u016B can design a new future for themselves and their mokopuna, in true Treaty partnership with the Crown. This is the time for reconciliation and for celebration for Ahuriri Hap\u016B, and the important step of restoring the relationship between the Crown and Ahuriri Hap\u016B. N\u014D reira, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b33ad605e7ab4636b8baa4c9b93839c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b33ad605e7ab4636b8baa4c9b93839c4\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Ko te p\u0101tai kia whakaaetia te m\u014Dtini.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[The question is that the motion be agreed to.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022 data-id=\u00221bfa8d20af9a416a8a74792183620472\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221bfa8d20af9a416a8a74792183620472\u0022\u003EHARETE HIPANGO (National):\u003C/span\u003E E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 karangatanga, t\u0113nei te p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru o Te Pire Whakataunga Ker\u0113me o ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ahuriri. Takitimu te waka. Ki ng\u0101 uri o ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Mana Ahuriri, nau mai haere mai ki t\u0113nei P\u0101remata, te w\u0101hi P\u0101remata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EKo Harete Hipango taku ingoa. Ko uri n\u014D Whanganui ahau. Ko au he mema n\u014D te P\u0101ti Nahinara.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003E[To the authorities, to all the voices and all those involved, this is the third reading of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill. Takitimu is the ancestral canoe. To all the descendants of the hap\u016B of the Mana Ahuriri Trust, welcome to Parliament, to the seat of Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EMy name is Harete Hipango. I am a descendant of Whanganui. I am a member of the National Party.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s my privilege to stand to address the House and also the people, the hap\u016B of Mana Ahuriri, who have gathered in the precincts of Parliament and, regrettably, are not able to be in the House today. However, the message that we convey: we are also connected with our whakarua and our wairua wherever you are placed within the precinct. It\u2019s a privilege always, but particularly today, to stand to address the people, the hap\u016B, the uri of Ahuriri who have gathered here today for the passage of their bill into law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThe Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill is comprised of 140 clauses\u2014soon to be sections\u2014four parts, and five schedules. And the process, as is well known by the people who have gathered in the precinct\u2014those of you who have travelled afar to be here today in Te Whanganui-a-Tara\u2014is that this journey has progressed over a period of generations. Minister Little mentioned that the recent journey commenced with the Waitangi Tribunal claim filed in 1988. The report was issued by the tribunal on 13 June 1995, and it advanced to an agreement in principle on 19 December 2013, through to a deed of settlement, signed on 2 November 2016. The Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill was introduced to the House on 12 March 2020, and I was privileged, along with other members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, to receive that at the committee, to receive and read 34 submissions, and to listen to nine of those oral submissions; to arrive at a determination, with a report filed and sent back to the House, dated 10 August 2020, with some minor amendments to the bill, to refine and fine-tune it, for it to advance to the second reading on 29 June of this year. And here I stand today, along with all of us in this precinct, on 14 December 2021, a historic moment for the people, the descendants, the hap\u016B of Ahuriri with the passage of this bill soon into law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThe Minister has addressed the elements of the bill. And, in summary, clause 8, the historical account\u2014and I always harken to the listeners, the members of the public, New Zealanders who do not know the story. Receiving the deeds of settlement, receiving these bills into this House of Representatives, is traversing a significant part of history, and it\u2019s the history that comes from the mouths of our t\u016Bpuna, conveyed by their descendants, and it\u2019s enshrined and scripted into law. The summary of the historical account is detailed in clause 8. Time does not permit me to give this due significance and relevance in my mention. I invite people to read the bill\u2014the Act. It is captured there. Also, the sentiment of the history is the mamae that has been carried by generations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EToday, in moving forward, we don\u2019t forget that mamae, we don\u2019t forget the burdens and the grievance, but today is a day to whakanui\u2014to celebrate\u2014because it is moving forward. It is moving forward with the acknowledgment, which is detailed at clause 9. And, again, the Crown is acknowledging all the wrongdoings, the harm, the mamae, the grievances, and the damage, and then, at clause 10, the apology, moving forward to remedy and ensure that, in moving forward, addressing the wrongdoings and the grievances of the past, the hap\u016B of Ahuriri move to a better place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EClause 10: \u201CThe Crown makes this apology to Ahuriri Hap\u016B, to their tipuna, and to their mokopuna\u201D\u2014our time in the present is a gift to move forward. \u201CThe Crown profoundly regrets its many failures \u2026 is deeply remorseful for the prejudice created \u2026 solemnly apologises for its policies, acts, and omissions that have left Ahuriri Hap\u016B virtually landless \u2026 [and] Through this settlement and this apology the Crown seeks to atone\u201D\u2014to atone\u2014\u201Cfor its past wrongs and begin the process of healing.\u201D And, with that, \u201CThe Crown looks forward to building a new, positive, and enduring relationship with Ahuriri Hap\u016B that fulfils the expectations of their tipuna and mokopuna, a relationship\u201D\u2014relationship\u2014\u201Cbased on mutual trust, partnership, and respect for the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles.\u201D Moving forward, those relationships that have been fraught in the past, the mamae that is still carried\u2014we live in hope, and these Treaty settlements are the opportunity, to remedy, to address, and to redress. Part 2 of the bill details the cultural redress, and Part 3 also looks into the implementation of how that cultural redress is effected. Part 4 is the commercial redress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EIn summary, this is a bill that is dealing with and addressing those approximately 1,505 registered members of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B, seven of which the Minister has detailed and outlined. The area of interest, as is well known by those who are from Ahuriri, but for the benefit of New Zealanders\u2014and again I say these are history lessons, but these are lessons in the essence of our present and the presence. The area of interest is bounded by the sea, to the east; the Kaweka Ranges, to the west; the Ngaruroro River, to the south; and the Esk River, to the north. Ahuriri Hap\u016B is one of six large natural groups which has negotiated this settlement and historic Treaty of Waitangi claims of Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu\u2014Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu being the third-largest tribal group in New Zealand. The bill will record and encapsulate and also capture the history, but also the opportunity in moving forward. In the opportunity in moving forward, I reference the cultural redress. I move to Part 3, which is specific to Te Muriwai o Te Whanga and the importance of those relationships, with the establishment of the committee, the engagement and recognition that the Komiti Muriwai o Te Whanga is an authority representing the interests of the Ahuriri peoples and hap\u016B. That is outlined in terms of the functions, at clause 85. And then Part 4 details the commercial redress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022868f3a11-6a23-474f-a25e-6bc1d4c6e93f\u0022\u003EThe importance of these bills is so significant, and we each have the privilege and the opportunity to acknowledge and to address\u2014it is recorded in the Hansard. But what is of most significance and importance is that the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill is celebrated by the uri, the descendants here today, on this occasion, to whakanui you all, but your t\u016Bpuna and the passage of this bill into law, going forward with the aspiration, the future, the hope to make a better difference in the world for your generations here and now and those to come. With privilege and in honour, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u00221ff78c692e014bd281a1ba13ffdf69a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ff78c692e014bd281a1ba13ffdf69a5\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Tuatahi, e tika ana ki te mihi ki taku whanaunga a Neville. N\u014D reira, e te whanaunga, i maumahara t\u014D mahi i te k\u014Dkiri i ng\u0101 kaupapa M\u0101ori m\u014D t\u0101tou te iwi M\u0101ori i roto i P\u014Dneke, i roto i Aotearoa, n\u014D reira e te whanaunga moe mai, moe mai, moe mai e koe ki ng\u0101 ringaringa o ng\u0101 matua t\u016Bpuna kua riro ki te p\u014D r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EKa nui t\u0113n\u0101. Ki a koutou, ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ahuriri, t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou, kua tae t\u0113nei mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101 ki te tautoko, ki te whakanui i t\u0113nei kaupapa. He H\u014Dnore nui ki te t\u016B, ki te tautoko te kaupapa ataahua i t\u0113nei w\u0101. N\u014D reira, ki a koutou e m\u0101takitaki mai i t\u0113nei w\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 te mihi ki a koutou. Haramai, haramai, nau mai t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Firstly, it is appropriate that I acknowledge my relative Neville. Therefore, to my relative, I remember your work championing M\u0101ori issues for us M\u0101ori in Wellington, in New Zealand. Therefore, my relative, may you rest in peace in the hands of the ancestors who have passed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI move on. To you, to the hap\u016B of Ahuriri, I greet you. You have come here today to support and celebrate this initiative. It is a great honour to stand and to support this beautiful initiative at this time. Therefore, to those of you watching now, that is my greeting to you. Welcome, welcome, welcome one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI just started off by giving a little mihi poroporoaki to one of our whanaunga who died a few weeks ago, known to everyone: Neville Baker, a person who advanced kaupapa like this all the time\u2014controversial kaupapa\u2014and as there for every M\u0101ori, and P\u0101keh\u0101, actually; one of the great bureaucrats of Aotearoa. He passed away a few weeks ago. I wanted to mention his name in the House because he\u2019s a man who deserves to have his name mentioned in the House. He would have supported this kaupapa. I\u2019m not sure which side. He was pretty controversial, Neville, with his Shelly Bay experiences, and his history, but much loved by people of all sides\u2014Labour, National, and M\u0101ori Party supporters. I remember that whanaunga very well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI want to welcome our people here today. It\u2019s a shame they couldn\u2019t be here in the gallery with us, coming all this way. You know, I give our apologies that they can\u2019t be here in the House. A long way to come to be sitting watching this on screen\u2014e mihi ana ki a koutou. I hope you enjoy this day and celebrate this day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ECan I support our Minister Andrew Little with his k\u014Drero and congratulate Ahuriri Hap\u016B, who have waited many years for this settlement. As you heard, their journey started in 1988 when they first filed with the Waitangi Tribunal. So it\u2019s been a long, long road, and we\u2019ve reached this time in terms of redress and compensation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIn terms of breaches of the Treaty, I have to be clear, as I always am with these types of settlements, that compensation can never ever justify the loss, the pain, and the injustices that our people endure. Yes, the Treaty settlement process can never properly compensate our people, but it\u2019s an opportunity to acknowledge, to reflect, and to admit the sins of past Governments. It\u2019s a process that I hope will provide opportunity for our people. I hope that Ahuriri people will be looking at this $19.5 million and thinking, \u201CWell, what can we do with this?\u201D It\u2019s hardly going to make them rich or billionaires, but it could make some differences over the over the next decade or so. For example, who would have ever thought that Tainui and Ng\u0101i Tahu would be worth $1.5 billion today after settling for $170 million in 1996? So the settlement can work, and if managed well, could do wonders for rangatahi and the people of Ahuriri.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo well done to the leadership. I want to thank those people for their mahi, as Minister Little did: Piri Prentice, Heitia Hiha, Barry Wilson, Joinella Maihi-Carroll, and my long-time friend Tania Eden, who has shown all her bureaucratic experience, I think, particularly over the last few months as she\u2019s navigated her way through this settlement. It\u2019s important also to acknowledge the Crown side, as the Hon Andrew Little did: the work done by the brilliant Sir Michael Cullen, the Hon Christopher Finlayson, chief negotiator Paul Swain, and mine and Meka Whaitiri and Rawiri Waititi\u2019s whanaunga, T\u0101 John Clarke.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s important to reiterate how this hap\u016B has been left landless. The social and economic consequences have been catastrophic. It\u2019s always important, I think, to make that observation. I want to acknowledge \u014Cmarunui, because that was mentioned also by the Minister today. When the Crown attacked \u014Cmarunui a crime was committed\u2014a terrible crime. People were killed, and a number of our people were shipped off to the Chatham Islands. It\u2019s caused huge division between members and hap\u016B and wh\u0101nau. So I think it\u2019s important too, as, again, Minister Little did, to acknowledge the Wai 2573 claimants who are addressing outstanding historical claims with the Crown at \u014Cmarunui. I encourage officials to conclude this agreement as quickly and as sympathetically as possible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI am pleased that along with the $19.5 million we have an agreement that the Ahuriri Hap\u016B will be kaitiaki for Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu and the islands. They are prized taonga\u2014an appropriate recognition. Also, Ahuriri Hap\u016B will receive cultural, commercial, and financial redress, including a kaitiaki fund to assist the work of the estuary management committee, a right to purchase Ahuriri Station, a right to purchase the Crown shares in Hawke\u2019s Bay Airport, the Crown\u2019s gift to Ahuriri Hap\u016B, the gift of Conservation House in Napier, and land at Pakake, and shares in the Kaweka Gwavas Forestry Company.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EOf course, as I said earlier, this still cannot compensate for the loss, but it is a start, and it is a beginning. The real test, I suppose, is: can we pull together to forge an opportunity together? Like all settlements, there are people who have opposed this one, and we, as members, have been lobbied strongly by people who don\u2019t want to settle, who don\u2019t think that is the way to go. That is one of the things, I suppose, that happens in terms of the Treaty settlement process all the time. Whether it was Tainui, whether it was Ng\u0101i Tahu, there were always people who said no. Eva Rickard was one of them in Tainui. Sandra Lee was one of them in terms of Ng\u0101i Tahu. So these are the pressures that our negotiators have to work with.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIn this case, we have my old mate and Minister Meka Whaitiri\u2019s old mate Denis O\u2019Reilly, who\u2019s been lobbying us so strongly it\u2019s not funny. Good on Denis, in terms of his mahi. He\u2019s been a huge advocate against us, and his wife, Taape, and Hinewai Ormsby. We understand that there is some opposition to this, as there always is with settlements. But we can only work with the mandated group. That\u2019s always the strategy that we have to follow. That\u2019s always the way we have to go, and that has been the case with this particular settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo I say to those people, the challenge will be to see if you can work with your whanaunga and find a way, navigate a way. It ain\u2019t easy; we\u2019ve seen that. We see that all the time. But this is the process that we\u2019re in, unless we want to abandon the whole settlement process and start from scratch again. That\u2019s not the case, I don\u2019t think, so I\u2019ll say to those people that I think they\u2019re coming to terms with this. There were two or three\u2014or might have only been one, was it? Was it only Dennis, I think, at the select committee? It doesn\u2019t matter. I respect where they\u2019re going, but I also respect where our negotiators went, and where our leadership went, led by the people who I talked about today, with Tania Eden now as the chair, and they have settled on a process. So I ask those people: can you work it out? Perhaps that is the biggest challenge. And I ask them: kia whakakotahi m\u014D te kaupapa [come together for this initiative].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI\u2019m sure you can all work it out. But it\u2019s an honour here today to talk about this, to talk about the history, to talk about the background, to talk about the fight, and to talk about the challenges ahead. I mihi to all our whanaunga who\u2019ve come here today. T\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 n\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022 data-id=\u00220d57eafb70f84d938bb2c90caa2c47d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220d57eafb70f84d938bb2c90caa2c47d3\u0022\u003EDr SHANE RETI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. E rau rangatira m\u0101, kia ora mai t\u0101tou. It is a privilege to speak to a Treaty bill at any time, but particularly the third reading, which is indeed a momentous occasion. I want to acknowledge the hap\u016B and all the hard work they\u2019ve done over many, many years to bring us to this point today. I also want to acknowledge officials, including the Hon Chris Finlayson for his diligence and preservice. I\u2019d also like to very much thank the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for their commitment to this cause, for shepherding it along, for being thoughtful in what they do, that brings this to the third reading, the last time this comes before the House, before these enabling provisions are passed to Ahuriri Hap\u016B.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EIn brief, the provisions by this bill include an historical account, which I\u2019ll come back to in just a moment; acknowledgments and apology from the Crown; the settlement for historical claims, which, again, I\u2019ll come back to; Ahuriri Hap\u016B are acknowledged as tangata whenua for the rohe; and the Heipipi Pa is established as a historic reserve; and the conservation and management of the Ahuriri Estuary is also part of this bill. The settlement package, I will come back to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EFor broadness and context\u2014and certainly I was more knowledgeable once I had looked into this\u2014Ahuriri Hap\u016B comprised about 1,505 registered members. The seven Ahuriri Hap\u016B are: Ng\u0101ti Hinepare, Ng\u0101ti M\u0101hu, Ng\u0101ti Matep\u016B, Ng\u0101ti Paarau, Ng\u0101i T\u0101whao, Ng\u0101ti T\u016B and Ng\u0101i Te Ruruku. It is that hap\u016B based around Napier and the Hawke\u2019s Bay, as has been commented, bounded by the sea to the east, the Kaweka Ranges to the west, the Ngaruroro River to the south, and the Esk River to the north.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThe historical account gives us some purpose to why we\u2019re here and why we\u2019re actually going through this settlement process, as has been commented by my whanaunga, as much as one can do, in modern terms, for redress of the past, acknowledging that it can never fully meet those claims and that mamae that has been done, but seeking, in modern terms, some redress as far as possible. The historical account talks about the late 1840s with the Ahuriri Hap\u016B around Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu, and around the time they were considering how they might incorporate and promote and establish a relationship with P\u0101keh\u0101 settlements. The Crown, in 1850, opened negotiations with Ahuriri M\u0101ori to purchase large blocks of land, and the Crown led them to believe that they\u2019d derive considerable benefit from this relationship when they purchased the Ahuriri block for \u00A31,500. It\u2019s long been contested that Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu, a place of high spiritual and cultural significance, was not included in the Ahuriri purchase. This has been a point of contention. There have been other points of difficulty; most Treaty settlements actually have some divergence of views that eventually come to the middle and eventually get us to a third reading, like we are here today. There were discussions around the mandate and some changes that needed to be made, and officials from the Office of Treaty Settlements were eventually able to reach an accommodation that did establish that the mandate was valid.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EI want to just very briefly describe the settlement package. It is the acknowledgment and apology by the Crown for the Crown\u2019s acts and omissions. It is cultural redress of the historical account, including natural resources redress, $500,000 to engage with the natural resources, $15,000 for the funding of powhenua, and the gifting of three cultural redress properties; financial and commercial redress of $19.5 million, including the purchase of Kaweka and Gwavas Crown forest land with Heretaunga and Tamatea, and the right to purchase a number of Crown properties, plus interest accrued on the financial commitments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EA Treaty settlement like this is an enabler, and, as it\u2019s been pointed out, it is not something that will immediately derive wealth for that particular hap\u016B. But it does become an enabler for what it might become in the future. We\u2019ve looked back collectively in the past and said, \u201CWe could do better, we need to do better.\u201D This is our effort today, in today\u2019s terms, to do exactly that, to enable, to capacity build that wh\u0101nau, that iwi, that hap\u016B so that they might be able to live and maximise their expectations of what a good life looks like.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003ESo it\u2019s always a privilege to be in the third reading of a bill. Again, I just acknowledge those who have got it to this point\u2014many, many people; some named, some not. But this is a really important piece of work and I commend this bill to the House and thank everyone who\u2019s brought it here today. Kia ora mai t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022 data-id=\u0022a482da3ae99c405692fdb25c4c7c42fc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a482da3ae99c405692fdb25c4c7c42fc\u0022\u003ET\u0100MATI COFFEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I join in the rest of the House in acknowledging that this is the third reading of this bill. I acknowledge our wh\u0101nau from Ahuriri, who have travelled a long way to be here today. It\u2019s unfortunate that they couldn\u2019t be here, but I know that they are listening to every word that we\u2019re saying, and this is the end of a very long road. As they say, one door closes; another one opens, and I know that they are keen to get the show on the road and actually to be able to embark on the future that they want for their people. So to ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ahuriri, we acknowledge you at this time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EThe select committees had a\u2014and I say \u201Cselect committees\u201D because there wasn\u2019t just one. This has been around for a wee while now and members have come and gone from the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and it\u2019s landed with us to be able to deliver it over the line here today for the third reading. But the select committees and the select committee members that have been part of this have all sat there and understood the depth of this. This is not an easy Treaty settlement; it has not been a straightforward process. This has been, as many Treaty settlements are, sometimes a complicating and frustrating process on both sides, but can I acknowledge the patience and the tenacity of ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ahuriri for actually getting to this point today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EOne of the main things that determines a Treaty settlement piece of legislation from any other bill is that it contains statutory acknowledgments, acknowledgments of the Crown for historical acts gone wrong, and it puts into ink and into the historical records of this House the way that the Crown treated M\u0101ori in days gone by. This is another settlement that will add some pages to that awful book of history where the Crown acted way outside of its remit, at a different place and time, but it sought to\u2014it had very different policies in the past to the policies that we have now. So the statutory acknowledgments are one part of a Treaty settlement legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EBut the other big thing is also the apology, and I know that many of the people that will be here listening to it from within the halls of Parliament, but also those wh\u0101nau back home, will be hanging out to hear the apology. Not enough do I hear the apology said in this House. It often goes unsaid. It often is something that is documented in their bill and sometimes read on the marae back home, but never usually in this House. So I\u2019m going to take my time today to be able to verbalise the apology that we the Crown give to the hap\u016B of Ahuriri. I want them to hear this and I want them to feel the sentiment behind it, because it\u2019s something that has been worked on from both sides. It\u2019s a point where both sides have landed on what that apology should look like, should sound like. I know that they scrutinise every single word in those apologies too. So to the wh\u0101nau and the hap\u016B of Ahuriri, this apology is for you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EAnd I read: \u201CThe Crown makes this apology to Ahuriri Hap\u016B, to their tipuna, and to their mokopuna. (a) For generations the relationship between the Crown and Ahuriri Hap\u016B has not fulfilled Ahuriri Hap\u016B expectations of a mutually beneficial partnership. Crown acts and omissions have hurt Ahuriri Hap\u016B and caused long-held and deeply felt grievances. Ahuriri Hap\u016B have pursued their claims for justice and redress from the Crown over many decades, but the Crown has failed, until now, to find an appropriate way to respond to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u201C(b) The Crown profoundly regrets its many failures to live up to its obligations under the Treaty of Waitangi in its dealings with Ahuriri Hap\u016B, and unreservedly apologises for the immense damage caused by its breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u201C(c) The Crown is deeply remorseful for the prejudice it created by purchasing so much Ahuriri Hap\u016B land in the 1850s, and for using divisive purchasing methods that involved Ahuriri Hap\u016B in conflict. The Crown deeply regrets that many Ahuriri Hap\u016B were dispossessed by the operation of the 10-owner rule. The Crown solemnly apologises for its policies, acts, and omissions that have left Ahuriri Hap\u016B virtually landless, and for the severe impacts the loss of ancestral lands and resources has had on the capacity of Ahuriri Hap\u016B for economic and social development, and physical, cultural, and spiritual well-being.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u201C(d) For too long, the Crown has failed to recognise the special relationship between Ahuriri Hap\u016B and their taonga, Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu. The Crown profoundly regrets the distress and anguish [that] generations of Ahuriri Hap\u016B have endured due to the Crown\u2019s acts and omissions in relation to Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u201C(e) Through this settlement and this apology the Crown seeks to atone for its past wrongs and begin the process of healing. The Crown looks forward to building a new, positive, and enduring relationship with Ahuriri Hap\u016B that fulfils the expectations of their tipuna and mokopuna, a relationship based on mutual trust, [on] partnership, and [on] respect for the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EI was able to go to the small p\u014D\u2019hiri that we had for the Ahuriri Hap\u016B just prior to coming into question time, and in that, from their paepae, the koroua got up and talked about the long road that it\u2019s taken to get them here. Can I acknowledge their pae today. Can I acknowledge their people. Can I acknowledge the wh\u0101nau back home that are looking forward to the next chapter in their journey. May the Crown for once be a partner with the Ahuriri Hap\u016B and walk hand in hand with them and really showcase the partnership that was signed up to under Te Tiriti o Waitangi all of those years ago. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022c8388a4170f749a89ddf7b4fba0a6266\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c8388a4170f749a89ddf7b4fba0a6266\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I rise as the Green Party\u2019s Te Tiriti spokesperson to offer our support at this third reading of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill. I speak on most but not all of the settlement bills for the Greens as our tangata Tiriti spokesperson, and this is because the Green Party acknowledges Te Tiriti o Waitangi as the founding document of our country and recognises that colonisation severed M\u0101ori from land and waters that sustained them\u2014were them\u2014and denied M\u0101ori tino rangatiratanga. This has brutalised wh\u0101nau M\u0101ori and resulted in many lives lost, and, as part of this process, white supremacy has denied settlers and all too many M\u0101ori access to matauranga M\u0101ori that could have provided warm, dry homes, ecological balance, multilingual communities, models of women\u2019s leadership, and shared parenting, to name just a few things. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ETangata Tiriti have lost through breaches of the Treaty the legitimacy of our place to stand on this land, and this means from our perspective that the work that needs to be done to de-imperialise our Government and society needs to be primarily done by non-M\u0101ori. So the Green Party encourages non-M\u0101ori to speak to these breaches and these bills and to be an active part of the work to repair these breaches, as we believe the model is needed for the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003ESo that is the context that we bring to all settlement bills, and I want to acknowledge the Ahuriri Hap\u016B today who are present and watching this settlement debate in the third reading: specifically, Ng\u0101ti Hinepare; Ng\u0101ti M\u0101hu; Ng\u0101ti Matep\u016B; Ngati Paarau, including Ng\u0101i Tahu Ahi; Ng\u0101i T\u0101whao; Ng\u0101ti T\u016B; and Ng\u0101i Te Ruruku. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI also add our acknowledgment, along with other speakers in the House today, around the long process to get here. It has been a struggle from the point of the Crown recognising the mandate in 2010, and then that being, in effect, sought again at a later date and there being intervention from the Waitangi Tribunal to call for further elections to ensure the integrity of the process for trustees to have that full confidence of the hap\u016B. I\u2019d like to acknowledge Minister Little for listening and working with hap\u016B through this process and, of course, acknowledge all of the people of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B, who have kept going and are holding things together for the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EEleven years on from the initial Crown mandate, 170 years - plus since breaches began\u2014it\u2019s a long time to be gaslit, abused, and wronged, and, more recently, a long time to be negotiating. So this settlement, which will be implemented following the passage of this legislation today, is significant. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EToday is a big, big day. I want to acknowledge some of the specifics of this settlement on that note of looking forward and specifically point to, I think, and acknowledge some of the role of hap\u016B that is reflected in the detail of the settlement, where the Crown acknowledges that Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu and the islands in it were prize taonga for Ahuriri Hap\u016B, and now, in this settlement, it recognises the role of hap\u016B as kaitiaki of Te Muriwai o Te Whanga, known by others in the area as the Ahuriri estuary and catchment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EI think it\u2019s really important to acknowledge again\u2014this comes up so often in settlements\u2014that so often we\u2019re dealing with restoring the role of hap\u016B as kaitiaki that was removed, to the detriment of our environment and our people. If only that role of kaitiaki had been able to be maintained, we would not see the widespread degradation of our lands that we see around us now and that we are struggling desperately to be able to repair. This settlement establishes a permanent statutory committee, Te Komiti Muriwai o Te Whanga, to ensure the protection and the enhancement of the environmental, economic, social, cultural, spiritual, historical, and cultural values of the area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWithin the settlement, there\u2019s also statutory acknowledgment for 11 specific areas and deeds of recognition for another 11 areas, and this is just about ensuring that hap\u016B are alerted to resource consent applications in areas where they have that connection, or that the Crown are obligated to consult and have regard to their views and work on those areas. It seems to me that if we acknowledge kaitiaki, then to require us to alert hap\u016B around resource consents seems a very small step towards actually acknowledging kaitiaki and the power and the meaning of that. I think, to be honest, if we are to truly acknowledge the power and the meaning of that, then more is required of us, but I acknowledge the achievement of getting these areas in the settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThere is the vesting or, as the Minister referred to it, the gifting\u2014or, as the Greens might refer to it, the returning of stolen goods\u2014of Pakake and Conservation House and Heipipi Pa Historic Reserve, and then there\u2019s the enabling of the right of first refusal over several properties and areas. Again, for the Greens, we always acknowledge that it\u2019s an achievement to get that into settlements, but it\u2019s still sits deeply uncomfortably to steal somebody\u2019s land and then say, \u201COh, you can buy it back off us.\u201D That\u2019s not really my understanding of justice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s the acknowledgment for name changes of six areas, and this is really important because, as we know, the power to name is the power over places. To change Bluff Hill, Hospital Hill, Napier Hill, and Scinde Island will now be, again, known as Mataruahou, there\u2019s a very different story that is told with that returning of that name, and this applies to five other places. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAlso within the bill is relationships\u2014it\u2019s actually an acknowledgment specifically in writing around the importance of a relationship between conservation, environment, and Te Papa Tongarewa, and Ahuriri Hap\u016B. That should be inherent in Te Tiriti o Waitangi anyway, but it sets up formal processes to ensure what the Greens would argue is inherent in Te Tiriti o Waitangi anyway. Then there is the settlement of $19.5 million, which is just a token. But, for us, it\u2019s not about property rights, but about that ongoing relationship between iwi and hap\u016B, and the Government, and Te Tiriti cannot be settled\u2014it is not something that can be done. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWe really do want to acknowledge the sacrifice made by the hap\u016B to get to this point and to gather their histories, and we acknowledge those who have worked to achieve this settlement but who have died before being able to see it completed. They contain powerful stories of our collective history. They are historical archives, but we must remember that history is never one story. We often learn history through stories that are told from one perspective, with a clear beginning, middle, and end. The saying \u201CHistory is written by victors\u201D absolutely has a resonance in this country with the failure to teach in truth or detail our collective history, and this has perpetuated Crown hegemony and power and has fed a disconnect and distrust between M\u0101ori and the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EWe acknowledge that the settlement process and the forcing together of large natural groupings does not make sense, and, actually, I do want to acknowledge the Wai 2573 claimants on behalf of Ng\u0101ti Parau, who are addressing outstanding historical matters with the Crown concerning events at \u014Cmarunui\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u002299844cce40624623a152047ac3ae9576\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002299844cce40624623a152047ac3ae9576\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Order! The member\u2019s time has expired. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u0022e4351843e77747c2901c3cd8d9e6a2ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e4351843e77747c2901c3cd8d9e6a2ef\u0022\u003EDAVID SEYMOUR (Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise on behalf of ACT in support of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill. It\u2019s always a great source of amusement for me to follow Jan Logie from the Greens, who has just, on behalf of a party that wants to tax and regulate every aspect of your life\u2014from what you learn at school to how you get around\u2014been railing against Crown hegemony and excess State power. But that\u2019s the Green Party for you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EACT supports these Treaty settlements, because they are an icon of New Zealand exceptionalism. Every country can look to its past and see things that it would rather not have to see\u2014it can see things that violated people\u2019s right over their body, over their property, over their dignity\u2014and a lot of countries get into a spiral of resentment and conflict that is impossible to prevent. Countries go through all sorts of truth and reconciliation commissions and all sorts of efforts to make good their past. I don\u2019t think that any country has done it as sincerely or successfully as New Zealand with its Treaty settlement process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EIt will never be perfect, because when you start with such grave imperfections, you can\u2019t achieve perfection, but if you compare it with what other countries have done, I think we should be very proud. That\u2019s not to take away from remaining grievances. That\u2019s not to say that everything is right. But I think it is a point of pride for New Zealand, what we\u2019ve achieved and are achieving with our Treaty settlement process, and that\u2019s why the ACT Party always stands in favour of Treaty settlements\u2014because we believe in the rule of law, we believe in property rights, and we believe in restraining the role of the State and the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003ESo I say on behalf of Parliament, our House of Representatives\u2014not the Crown, as some have said\u2014to those people in the Ahuriri Hap\u016B who have journeyed to Wellington today, who are unfortunately not able to be physically present in the gallery due to the COVID restrictions but have journeyed to be part of this historic moment for their people: welcome and I hope that this is a very special and pivotal point in the history of your people and your place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EI also want to say that this bill has a minor personal connection for me. While my own original, or oldest connections with New Zealand are from the Far North, Ng\u0101puhi; Ng\u0101ti Rereahu, to be precise, I do have a connection with Ahuriri\u2014New Zealand being a very small place. One of my old flatmates from just down in Taranaki Street, when I was a slightly more wayward youth compared with now, here in the city of Wellington was actually a member of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101rau, and Jan Logie was trying to read out a statement but got cut off because she\u2019d left it to the very end of her speech, and it\u2019s a pity she wasn\u2019t able to finish. He asked that we read into the Hansard something that they had tried to have acknowledged through their official process with the Crown but couldn\u2019t have acknowledged, and it was simply that it be acknowledged that the Wai 2573 claimants, those on behalf of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101rau, that is, are still addressing outstanding historical matters with the Crown concerning those events at \u014Cmarunui. I encourage officials to conclude that agreement as quickly and sympathetically as possible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EThose hailing from Ng\u0101ti P\u0101rau I think are being very magnanimous in this instance, because they were not entirely happy with everything that ended up in this bill. They still had some outstanding grievances; as I said, it\u2019s not always perfect. But they said, \u201CLook, we are not going to interrupt this special day for those others in this agreement, who after all are our wider wh\u0101nau. We will not further contest this. We will not in any way be difficult. We will allow this to go ahead without protestation from us.\u201D But they would just like the Hansard of the House of Representatives to have that statement, so that they are not unacknowledged in the passage of this bill. So I say to my old flatmate in this intimate country of ours, I hope I\u2019ve done you well by having that read into Hansard, and for those of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101rau, I hope that you do indeed get the closure that everybody has been seeking as rapidly as possible so that everybody can move on with enjoying what this settlement has delivered for the different peoples in the region.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003EWith that, I commend this bill to the House and give my best wishes on behalf of ACT for the future for all of those in the Ahuriri Hap\u016B who are touched by this settlement bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022 data-id=\u0022eb98ca160d88403f9ba6e42f0070c68b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eb98ca160d88403f9ba6e42f0070c68b\u0022\u003EWILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour\u2014Northland):\u003C/span\u003E E te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Otir\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa i roto i t\u0113nei Whare o t\u0101tou i te ahiahi nei, mihi kau ana ki a t\u0101tou. He H\u014Dnore t\u0113nei m\u014Dku te t\u016B ki te k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113nei pire i t\u0113nei r\u0101. Engari, he \u0101hua rerek\u0113 te \u0101hua o te Whare i t\u0113nei r\u0101 n\u0101 te mea kahore ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ahuriri i konei i roto i t\u0113nei Whare ki te whakarongo ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki a r\u0101tou, e p\u0101 ana ki \u014D r\u0101tou ker\u0113me, me t\u0113nei pire o r\u0101tou mahi i ng\u0101 tau maha kua pahure ake nei. E m\u014Dhio ana ahau kei konei r\u0101tou kei te Whare P\u0101remata engari kahore i roto i t\u0113nei Whare. N\u014D reira, e mihi ana ki a koutou ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ahuriri e m\u0101takitaki mai ana i runga i te pouaka whakaata, m\u0101tou e k\u014Drero ana e p\u0101 ana ki t\u014D pire, ki \u014D ker\u0113me i t\u0113nei ahiahi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u0100, ka huri ahau ki Te Pire Whakataunga Ker\u0113me a ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ahuriri. Ko t\u0113nei te p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru, me k\u012B ko te p\u0101nuitanga tata mutunga o t\u0113nei pire i roto i te Whare P\u0101remata, n\u014D reira, muri mai i t\u0113nei, ae, ko te whakataunga o ng\u0101 ker\u0113me, ko te whakatinanatanga i t\u0113r\u0101 whakaaetanga e hia k\u0113 te roa o te hainatanga o t\u0113r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EE hiahia ana ahau ki te wh\u0101ki atu i roto i te Whare i t\u0113nei ahiahi, me k\u012B atu i te 180 tau te roanga o te hainatanga o Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I muri tata mai i te hainatanga o Te Tiriti ka t\u012Bmata te puta mai ng\u0101 raruraru i waenganui i ng\u0101i t\u0101tou te iwi M\u0101ori me Te Karauna. Engari, i a au e p\u0101nui ana i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113nei pire me te kaupapa m\u014D ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ahuriri i kite ahau i t\u012Bmata t\u0113nei whawhai m\u014D te whakataunga o ng\u0101 ker\u0113me i te tau 1988. I taua w\u0101 e ono noa iho \u014Dku tau. E t\u016B ana ahau i roto i t\u0113nei Whare 33 tau mai i te t\u012Bmatanga o t\u0113r\u0101 tuku, tono atu i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me i mua i te aroaro o Te R\u014Dp\u016B Whakamana i Te Tiriti o Waitangi, n\u014D reira e mihi ana ki a koutou m\u014D t\u014D koutou mahi m\u014D t\u014D koutou manawaroa ki te whakatutuki i \u0113nei ker\u0113me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EKua kite ahau i tono atu te ker\u0113me tuatahi ki roto i Te R\u014Dp\u016B Whakamana i Te Tiriti o Waitangi, Te Taraipiuna r\u0101 i taua tau, \u0101, i puta te ripoata Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orot\u016B i te tau 1995, ka t\u012Bmata ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kei waenganui i te r\u014Dp\u016B o te hap\u016B me te Karauna i te tau 2010. E ono tau pea te roa o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero k\u0101tahi ka haina i te whakaaetanga whakataunga i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me i taua tau. Engari, i uru mai te pire tuatahi ki roto i t\u0113nei Whare P\u0101remata i te tau 2019. E mihi ana ahau ki ng\u0101 Minit\u0101 o taua w\u0101, ki ng\u0101 kaimahi o taua w\u0101 e whakawhitiwhiti ana i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kia whakatau i \u0113nei ker\u0113me. E mihi hoki ana ki te Komiti Whiriwhiri Take M\u0101ori o taua nohoanga o te Whare P\u0101remata. Ko t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 M\u0101ngai o Te Whare, ko Adrian t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 mema, k\u0101tahi an\u014D ia ka puta i t\u0113nei Whare, engari e mihi ana ki a ia, ki \u0113tahi atu o ng\u0101 mema hoki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 take i whakaroa ake te ture i roto i t\u0113nei Whare, ko te mate urut\u0101. Koir\u0101 te take k\u0101hore r\u0101tou i roto i te Whare i t\u0113nei r\u0101. N\u014D reira, e mihi ana an\u014D ki a koutou m\u014D t\u014D koutou manawaroa kia kite i te whakatutukinga o t\u0113nei pire, o t\u0113nei ture, i roto i te Whare i t\u0113nei ahiahi. N\u014D reira, he r\u0101 nui t\u0113nei m\u014D koutou, he nui taku aroha ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EI mua i taku houtanga mai ki roto i t\u0113nei Whare P\u0101remata ko w\u0113tahi o aku mahi ko ng\u0101 ker\u0113me m\u014D \u014Dku hap\u016B i roto i Ng\u0101puhi, n\u014D reira, e m\u014Dhio ana ahau ki \u014D koutou mahi ki te mamae m\u014D w\u0113nei momo take, n\u014D reira ko te hiahia ko t\u0113nei e whakatau ana i \u014D koutou ker\u0113me i mua i te Taraipiunara. Ko te hiahia ka pakari \u014D koutou hap\u016B i te whiwhinga o t\u0113nei, ka taea e koutou te anga whakamua kia pai ake t\u014D mahi tahi me te Karauna. Koir\u0101 taku tino hiahia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EN\u014D, reira, i runga i t\u0113nei, kahore ahau e hiahia ana kia roa ake taku k\u014Drero n\u0101 te roa o t\u0113nei kaupapa m\u014D te hap\u016B, i runga i t\u0113n\u0101, e tautoko ana ahau i t\u0113nei pire. Pau te kaha.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E[Madam Speaker, greetings to you and to all of you in this House of ours this afternoon, greetings one and all. It is a great honour for me to stand and speak to this bill today. But the House looks slightly different today because the hap\u016B of Ahuriri are not in the House to listen to the speeches about them, about their claims, and their work on this bill in the many preceding years. I know that they are in the Parliament buildings, but they are not in this Chamber. Therefore I greet you, the hap\u016B of Ahuriri who are watching this on the television while we discuss your bill and your claims this afternoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ESo, I turn to the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill. This is the third reading, that is to say the reading which is almost the final stage of this bill in the House of Parliament, therefore, after this, yes, that is the settlement of the claims, the embodiment of that agreement which was signed many years ago. I wish to state clearly in the House this afternoon that it is 180 years since the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi. Soon after the signing of the Treaty, problems began between us, the M\u0101ori iwi, and the Crown. But as I was reading the stories relating to this bill and the issue for the hap\u016B of Ahuriri, I saw that this battle for the settlement of the claims began in 1988. At that time I was only six years old. I stand in this House 33 years since the sending, the submission, of those claims to the Waitangi Tribunal, therefore I acknowledge you for your work and your perseverance to carry these claims to completion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EI found that the first submission on this claim was sent to the Waitangi Tribunal in that year and that the report on Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orot\u016B was published in 1995, then began the discussions between the hap\u016B grouping and the Crown in 2010. These discussions continued over about six years and the deed of settlement was signed in that year. But the first bill entered Parliament in 2019. I acknowledge the Ministers of that time, to the workers at that time, whose negotiations led to the settlement of these claims. I also want to acknowledge the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee of that sitting of Parliament. One of the Speakers of the House, Adrian, was one of the members, when he first appeared in this House, but I acknowledge him and some other members as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EOne of the reasons that slows down the making of laws in this House has been the pandemic. That is the reason why they are not in the House today. Therefore, I acknowledge you for your perseverance to see the completion of this bill, of this law, in the House this afternoon. Therefore, this is a great day for you, and I sincerely empathise with you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EBefore I entered Parliament some of my work was claim-related for my hap\u016B in Ng\u0101puhi, therefore I understand your work and the pain involved in these sorts of issues, therefore I hope that this will settle your claims in front of the Tribunal. I hope that your hap\u016B will be strengthened by this achievement, and you can find a way forwards to improve your collaboration with the Crown. That is my sincere hope.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ETherefore, on that basis, I don\u2019t want to make my speech any longer because this process has been long enough for the hap\u016B, and so I state that I resolutely support this bill.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f398cf4616fe4e5fbf45b6ecb67c1af0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f398cf4616fe4e5fbf45b6ecb67c1af0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jacqui Dean)\u003C/span\u003E: I call Chris Penk, five-minute call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u0022c462caa2a6154f13ac9118511cf14235\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c462caa2a6154f13ac9118511cf14235\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Kaipara ki Mahurangi):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. It\u2019s a privilege to be able to stand in this House and join others across the House to speak to the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill. Other speakers have said much more eloquently, I\u2019m sure, than I\u2019ll be able to\u2014including in te reo M\u0101ori most recently by Willow-Jean Prime, in very eloquent fashion\u2014some of the issues surrounding the passage of this legislation; of course, the historical context, but not merely a description of that which has been in the past but also a road map into the future for the hap\u016B and, of course, the Crown, being partners on this journey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo I do want to start by acknowledging those who have spoken, more particularly, of course, to those who are here in this building today, notwithstanding that you\u2019re not seated in the usual place that would be available to you for COVID-19 related reasons. But please know that we do feel your presence in this place and know that you are very welcome here in this, your House of Representatives.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe legislation is interesting, I think, because it sets out a number of different associations that the hap\u016B have had with the land, the resources that were denied them, and, obviously, some of these are of different kinds of natures and therefore the types of redress that are offered and agreed and encapsulated in the settlement bill reflect those different kinds of associations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo we see, for example, the apology redress, the cultural redress, and the financial and commercial redress. The dollar figures, it always seems to me, in these cases, as other contributors to the debate have noted, are relatively small compared with that which was confiscated oftentimes in these scenarios, but nevertheless has been formulated in a way that does finally and comprehensively\u2014to use the expression in the bill\u2014deal with these matters as between the hap\u016B and the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe different associations give rise to a number of different forms of redress. One of those is the vesting of properties. So there are three different sites that we see\u2014a couple to be vested in what lawyers would know as fee simple and the other as a reserve. But to me, more interesting, perhaps, is the relationship protocol. This indicates that not only is there a record of where the parties have been historically, but sets out the way ahead not merely to state an intention or a desire, but actually to require, in the legal sense, an ongoing relationship. We move from the transactional to the relational by having these things in a settlement bill. And so I hope that all involved will view that as a matter of some importance and significance for the future of the people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESome of the detail of that is in relation to the Minister of Conservation and director-general to issue deeds of recognition. I think there are a number of different things going on. So we\u2019ve got regard having to be paid to the statutory acknowledgment\u2014that\u2019s the acknowledgment in this bill. So the Environment Court, relevant consent authorities\u2014presumably of a local government nature\u2014and Heritage New Zealand must have such regard. And then there\u2019s also sort of going back the other way, so to speak, the right of the hap\u016B to be informed of resource consent applications, or notices of applications to be provided to them, so that they have the ongoing ability to understand that which is being contemplated for their land. Obviously, somewhat of a change from the historical context in which, you know, so little regard was paid to the property rights of hap\u016B originally. So there\u2019s some effort to make right what was wrong in that regard as well. Also, simply making a record of the association of Ahuriri Hap\u016B with the statutory area. So that\u2019s putting in black and white in this law the fact of the historical record, that acknowledgment, and, of course, the apology that goes with that being so important, as others have already recognised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo with that, my time draws to an end. But suffice to say that I hope all others will join me in recognising the journey not only to this place and back to the land of these people but also the journey in time to this place and beyond. And so we commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u00223ec83dbef168443fb8796ba299d84d0f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223ec83dbef168443fb8796ba299d84d0f\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean)\u003C/span\u003E: Rawiri Waititi\u2014five-minute call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022 data-id=\u00225b416ebfe4bb4bcbb1bc003a1cf326f1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225b416ebfe4bb4bcbb1bc003a1cf326f1\u0022\u003ERAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader\u2014Te Paati M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te P\u012Bka, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou i te Whare. K\u0101ti ake. Tuatahi ko te wehi ki a Ihowa r\u0101 ng\u0101 mano m\u014Dna e manaakitia nei i a t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EKua hoki te \u0101huatanga o te t\u012Bmatanga o \u0113nei k\u014Drero n\u014D te mea heip\u016B mai t\u0113r\u0101 t\u016B\u0101huatanga i roto i a Kahungunu hei te w\u0101 i a Te Toiarikiriki, n\u0101na i k\u012B atu kia haramai atu ahau. Ko t\u014Dna ingoa ko Te Tama-i-roro-p\u016Btea, n\u014D reira tika tonu kia whai kor\u014Dria ki t\u014Dna ingoa tapu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Hinepare, Ng\u0101ti M\u0101hu, Ng\u0101ti Matep\u016B, Ng\u0101ti Paarau, Ng\u0101i Tahu Ahi, Ng\u0101i T\u0101whao, Ng\u0101ti T\u016B, Ng\u0101i Te Ruruku, Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, Kahungunu m\u0101tangi rau, t\u0113nei te mihi, t\u0113nei te tangi. T\u0113nei te tangi i runga i te \u0101huatanga o \u014D t\u0101tou mate. Ng\u0101 mate putuputu o te w\u0101, ng\u0101 pakeke n\u0101 r\u0101tou an\u014D hoki t\u0113nei ara i para m\u014D koutou kia tutuki pai ai i ng\u0101 mahi i t\u0113nei r\u0101. N\u014D reira, tika tonu kia tangihia kia mihia kia poroporoakitia r\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou. N\u014D reira, e ng\u0101 mate o te w\u0101, ng\u0101 mate i roto i ng\u0101 tau maha, r\u0101tou i pupuri i te mana me te mauri o t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 ker\u0113me m\u014D Ahuriri, t\u0113nei te tangi. Haere, haere, whoatu r\u0101 koutou. Whoatu r\u0101 koutou i runga i te ara k\u014Drero kua parangaia e tino me te mano. Koutou kua haere ki tua o Reit\u016B ki tua o Reiao e te pae, ki te huinga o te kahurangi ki te k\u0101hui Matariki, e ng\u0101 mate, haere, haere, whakangaro atu r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003ET\u0113r\u0101 an\u014D ki a t\u0101tou, Ahuriri. Anei r\u0101 ng\u0101 te mokopuna a Kahukura Mihiata, ng\u0101 here, ng\u0101 tautakawaenga ki waenganui i a Te Wh\u0101nau \u0101 Apanui i a Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu. \u0100, me ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a te Ng\u0101puhi nei, Ng\u0101ti R\u0113hia n\u0101na i k\u012Bia nei, \u0101, tika tonu ana korero i haramai a Kahungunu ki Te Tai Tokerau, Ng\u0101ti Kahu. N\u014D reira, tika tonu ng\u0101 tautakawaenga, ng\u0101 whakapaparanga kua k\u014Drerohia hei roto i t\u0113nei Whare o t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EE, k\u0101ti ake. Ko t\u0101ku i t\u0113nei w\u0101, tika tonu a Willow-Jean. Ko ng\u0101 kaupapa p\u0113nei me k\u014Drero M\u0101ori t\u0101tou kia whakanui ake i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me kia rongo ai i \u014D t\u0101tou reo, te whawhai nui i \u014D t\u0101tou pakeke kia ora ai t\u0101tou, kia ora ai t\u0101tou i roto i ng\u0101 mahi o Te Tiriti o Waitangi, kia ora ai t\u0101tou i roto i t\u0113nei Whare e t\u016B nei, kia warowaro t\u014D t\u0101tou reo i ng\u0101 pakitara o t\u0113nei Whare. N\u014D reira, Ahuriri, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou i a koutou tutuki pai ai i t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 ker\u0113me i t\u0113nei r\u0101. Ahakoa te roa, ahakoa te taumaha, ahakoa ng\u0101 piki me ng\u0101 heke o t\u0113nei ara huarahi, kua tutuki i t\u0113nei r\u0101. Kua tutuki i t\u0113nei r\u0101 ahakoa k\u0101ore koutou e taea te haramai \u0101-tinana ki roto i t\u0113nei Whare kei konei koutou e whakarongo mai n\u0101 ki t\u0113nei t\u016B\u0101huatanga \u0101-tutukitanga. N\u014D reira, \u0101, tika tonu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EE ai ki Te Tiriti o Waitangi i whakaaetia te whakat\u016Bngia i te K\u0101wanatanga. Anei te K\u0101wanatanga me \u014Dna h\u0113 me \u014Dna h\u0101mene katoa. An\u0101, kua k\u014Drerohia i t\u0113nei r\u0101, kua whakahoki atu i te 1 paih\u0113neti noa iho i tangohia i a koutou. \u0100, in\u0101 te k\u014Drero o te Atikara Tuarua ka pupuri tonu ng\u0101 rangatira i t\u014D r\u0101tou mana motuhake me te rangatiranga. E kore t\u0113r\u0101 e mimiti i roto i a t\u0101tou ng\u0101 iwi puta noa i te motu. \u0100, ko te Atikara Tuatoru kia mana \u014Drite t\u0101tou katoa. K\u0101ore an\u014D t\u0113r\u0101 kia whakatutuki. N\u014D reira kei te aroha tonu atu t\u0101tou ki \u014D t\u0101tou iwi. Ahakoa kua tutuki pai ai t\u0113nei t\u016B\u0101huatanga i roto i te 1 paih\u0113neti me waiho ake m\u0101 \u014D t\u0101tou tamariki mokopuna, te 99 paih\u0113neti e toe ana. M\u0101 r\u0101tou an\u014D hoki e whawhai m\u014D taua t\u016B\u0101huatanga i roto i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me tiriti puta noa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EKotahi noa te mea o taku k\u014Drero. Kia kauaka rawa e tukuna kia full and final, waiho m\u014D \u0101 t\u0101tou tamariki mokopuna me makaia ko te k\u014Dpaki p\u016Btea me tangohia te \u0101huatanga o te mahi t\u0101ke i \u014D t\u0101tou p\u016Btea. Konei t\u0113tahi mea hei whakaarotanga m\u0101 t\u0101tou, e hika m\u0101. \u0100, me mea hoki me waiho ake m\u0101 ng\u0101 iwi an\u014D hoki t\u014D r\u0101tou mana motuhake me t\u014D r\u0101tou tino rangatiratanga e whai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, kua pau te taima ki a au, e rima miniti noa te w\u0101 ki a au. \u0100, t\u0113nei r\u0101 te mihi atu ki a t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei r\u0101, ki a Ahuriri, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E[Greetings, everyone. Greetings to you, Madam Speaker, greetings to one and all in the House. Enough. To begin with, my respects to the Lord and the blessings bestowed upon us all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EI have gone back to the beginning of this k\u014Drero because that situation occurred in Kahungunu in Toiarikiriki\u2019s time. It was he who told me to come. His name was Tama-i-roro-p\u016Btea, so we should honour his name.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Hinepare, Ng\u0101ti M\u0101hu, Ng\u0101ti Matep\u016B, Ng\u0101ti Paarau, Ng\u0101i Tahu Ahi, Ng\u0101i T\u0101whao, Ng\u0101ti T\u016B, Ng\u0101i Te Ruruku, Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu, Kahungunu of the many winds, this is my greeting, this is my lament. This is my lament to our dead, to the frequent deaths of this time, to the old people who have cleared the way for you to bring this work to completion today. Therefore, it is right to lament, to acknowledge and to farewell them. Therefore, to the dead of this time, to those who have died in the many years that have before, to those who have held the authority and the life force of this Ahuriri claim, this is my lament. Go, go, go forth. Go forth upon the storied pathway forged by the many before you. Farewell to beyond Reit\u016B, beyond Reiao on the horizon, to where the multitudes are gathered, to Pleiades; to you all who now rest in peace, farewell, farewell, farewell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EReturning to ourselves, Ahuriri. There we have the grandchildren of Kahukura Mihiata, the connections and the links between Te Wh\u0101nau-\u0101-Apanui and Kahungunu. And, those stories of this one from Ng\u0101puhi, Ng\u0101ti R\u0113hia who said, and they are right, that Kahungunu went to Northland, to Ng\u0101ti Kahu. Therefore, what has been said about these go-betweens and generations in this House today is correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EMoving on. I would like to say now, Willow-Jean was spot on. For issues such as this we should all speak M\u0101ori to celebrate the claims, to hear our language, the great battle of our old people, so that we could survive, so that we can participate in the work relating to the Treaty of Waitangi, so that we can stand in this House and so that our language can be heard in the walls of this House. Therefore, Ahuriri, I acknowledge you. I acknowledge you on the completion of this claim today. Despite the length, despite the burdens, despite the ups and downs of this process, it will be completed today. It will be completed today despite the fact that you can\u2019t be here in person in this House, but you are here listening to this final stage of completion. Therefore, yes, it is appropriate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EAccording to the Treaty of Waitangi, agreement was given to set up the Government. Here is the Government, warts and all. Look, it has been talked about today that only 1 percent of what was stolen by you has been returned. And, according to article 1 the chiefs would hold on to their independence and their chieftainship. That concept has not been extinguished amongst the M\u0101ori tribes all around this country. And, according to article 3, we should all be equal. That has not yet been achieved. Therefore, we should all feel sorry for our iwi. Despite the successful resolution of the return of 1 percent, we must leave the other 99 percent for our children and grandchildren to deal with. They would also have to fight for that in all Treaty claims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EMy speech has one point. If we do not achieve full and final settlement it will be for our children and grandchildren to drop the fiscal envelope and to recoup our money by way of tax. That is something we all really need to think about. And, I also have to say we must also leave the tribes to pursue their own independence and chieftainship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003ESo, I have run out of time\u2014there were only five minutes allotted for me. I acknowledge you all today, to Ahuriri, greetings, greetings, be well everyone.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022 data-id=\u00225ec4c6bc7ce64dee89f272c4017f91f1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225ec4c6bc7ce64dee89f272c4017f91f1\u0022\u003ERINO TIRIKATENE (Labour\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. Otir\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou e ng\u0101 mema H\u014Dnore o te Whare P\u0101remata. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101 nui whakahirahira. E ng\u0101 hap\u016B maha o Ahuriri, nau mai, nau mai whakatau mai, nau mai whakatau mai ki te Whare P\u0101remata, ki te ana o te raiona. M\u014D koutou t\u0113nei r\u0101 nui whakahirahira. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou ng\u0101 hap\u016B maha, ae, ko Ng\u0101ti Hinepare, Ng\u0101ti M\u0101hu, Ng\u0101ti Matep\u016B, Ng\u0101ti Paarau, Ng\u0101i T\u0101whao, Ng\u0101i Te Ruruku me Ng\u0101ti T\u016B, ae. Nau mai, nau mai whakatau mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ENau mai, whakatau mai ki te whakatutuki i ng\u0101 wawat\u0101 o r\u0101tou m\u0101, ka huri t\u016B me mihi atu ki ng\u0101 tini aitu\u0101 kua whet\u016Brangitia, haere, haere koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EHoki mai ki a t\u0101tou te kanohi ora e pae nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003E[Greetings, Madam Speaker. I also greet the honourable members of the House of Parliament. Greetings to you all on this highly significant day. To the many hap\u016B of Ahuriri, welcome, welcome, welcome to Parliament, to the lion\u2019s den. This highly significant day is about you. Greetings to all the many hap\u016B, indeed, to Ng\u0101ti Hinepare, Ng\u0101ti M\u0101hu, Ng\u0101ti Matep\u016B, Ng\u0101ti Paarau, Ng\u0101i T\u0101whao, Ng\u0101i Te Ruruku and Ng\u0101ti T\u016B. Welcome, welcome, welcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EWelcome to the fulfilment the dreams of those who have passed, and I turn to acknowledge the many who have become stars in the heavens; may you rest in peace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EReturning to ourselves the living, sitting here, greetings, greetings, greetings one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI\u2019m delighted to speak at the final reading of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill\u2014the penultimate region of the great Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu\u2014that we are now passing into law. I want to acknowledge all the hap\u016B of Ahuriri ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa, which I have just welcomed and joined with everyone to welcome with their welcomes to this House. I acknowledge their long journey, which started way back in the 1980s, through Waitangi Tribunal claims, all the way through to today where finally\u2014we\u2019ve had a few intervening legal processes that have also come up over the years\u2014here we are. Here we are to celebrate the passage of this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge all those that have travelled that cannot be in this House today who I know are tuning in. As an uri of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101hauwera, I\u2019m very proud to mihi to all my tini whanaungas of Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu and, in particular, Ahuriri, who are here to celebrate today. We all celebrate because this is a very historic and significant occasion. I\u2019m delighted that I was able to play a small part in the last Parliament as chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. We heard the submissions on this bill, travelled up to Napier, and it\u2019s always a great privilege to be able to visit the beautiful areas from where Ahuriri Hap\u016B originate and represent. It was not without some degree of discord at times, but I\u2019m pleased that all of the issues that were raised have managed to be resolved, in particular the issue around the mandate. There was a desire\u2014a directive, I guess\u2014to ensure that there were elections held to renew the mandate for Ahuriri. That has since occurred, and there is a reconstituted body of representatives for Ahuriri. So I want to acknowledge them for going through all of those various processes to ensure that the Minister and this Parliament can proudly and confidently pass this legislation, knowing that all those intervening steps have been met, and I acknowledge them all for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EAs I recall, they were colourful hearings that we conducted at times. I vividly remember our Deputy Speaker, who was a member on the committee at the time\u2014never one to back down\u2014 engaged with one submitter and it got a bit testy. So much so that he was propositioned outside to settle it out there. Ha, ha! Never the one to back down, our Deputy Speaker stood his ground in true Te Tai Hau\u0101uru fashion. But, fortunately, the good chair of the committee was able to bring kia tau te rangimarie, we were able to sort it out at that point, although our dear member for Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti was at the ready with her M\u0101ori wardens just in case things flared up. But such is the spirit of collegialness and whanaungatanga that we share as members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee that we were able to resolve those issues in a rangimarie way. And here we are with this historic bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EI want to just acknowledge features of this bill, which I think are significant. We talked about the issue of M\u0101ori rights and interests to fresh water. And this was raised by my colleague Louisa Wall just now. I do want to acknowledge the statutory acknowledgment and deeds of recognition contained in this deed of settlement which is put into force fully through this legislation. They are over the sacred rivers of Ahuriri hap\u016B, from Esk River and its tributaries, all the way through to Ngaruroro River, T\u016Btaekur\u012B River\u2014those famous rivers that we hear in those beautiful Kahungunu waiata. Ahuriri Hap\u016B have deeds of recognition recognising their historical and spiritual and traditional relationships as the tangata whenua status over those water bodies. So I do commend those instruments being recognised in this settlement and through this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003EThere is a long history which Ahuriri have had to endure, whether it\u2019s landlessness, the dispossession of lands, the conflicts that arose through no fault of Ahuriri actually, but they were just caught up in these conflicts\u2014\u014Cmarunui in particular, and the other Crown attacks in Herepoho during the New Zealand Wars. It was a dark period in our nation\u2019s history and Mana Ahuriri certainly felt the brunt of the aftermath of those conflicts, only being left with a mere wee fraction of land, but virtually completely landless and with all of the resulting hardships that a dispossessed people has faced. And not only over the lands but over their tribal domain of their water bodies and, in particular, the estuary of Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu. It\u2019s right that we instil a new level of relationship and authority for Mana Ahuriri over their ancestral landscapes and their water bodies and traditional lands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281825190-fd5d-4ed0-bb80-f12f3c93e653\u0022\u003ESo there is so much that we can talk about, and I want to acknowledge all the contributions from around the House which are all in support of this bill. The next step from here is that new era of a relationship which every Treaty settlement is really the basis for. I want to acknowledge Minister Little for his work and all the Ministers and officials and negotiators and everyone that\u2019s been involved over the many years to ensure that we have gotten to this point. So I don\u2019t want to prolong this any longer than it has to be, only to just add my tautoko. I also want to acknowledge my colleague, tuahine, the Hon Meka Whaitiri for her staunch advocacy as a member of Mana Ahuriri herself, and as one who has played such an active role in ensuring that she has provided that tautoko for all of her wh\u0101nau to ensure that we get to the successful passage of this legislation. With that, I wish Mana Ahuriri all the very best and I commend this bill to the House. Kia ora, t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022 data-id=\u00222f2baca9d7d644f7a424e81174039a28\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222f2baca9d7d644f7a424e81174039a28\u0022\u003EIAN McKELVIE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. It\u2019s a privilege to speak on the third reading of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill. It\u2019s always a pleasure to follow Rino Tirikatene when he speaks because you know that whatever I say, they\u2019ll believe him and they won\u2019t believe me. I always quite like that, because he\u2019s a man of his word and I always enjoy listening to him because he has great stories to tell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EIt is a privilege to be part of the Treaty settlement process in this House, and I accept that we\u2019ll never get any briefing to the point of being perfect. We can\u2019t, because we\u2019re trying to redress or address the challenges of the past, and that\u2019s always been a bit of a challenge. But it\u2019s been a privilege for me. This is the third time I\u2019ve spoken on this bill. So I\u2019ve spoken on all three readings of it. I\u2019ve never had the privilege of sitting on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, interestingly, so I\u2019ve never been part of the deliberation of these bills. I know that throughout this afternoon a lot of the fact of the bill\u2019s been talked about, so I won\u2019t talk about a lot of that because it\u2019s not really my place to do so. But I do think that it\u2019s a privilege to be part of something where we\u2019re acknowledging the challenges of the past, apologising for those challenges of the past as best we can, and, I guess, trying to put right what\u2019s happened before. And often when you look at the progress of the Treaty settlements in New Zealand, and where they\u2019ve been successful, they\u2019ve been hugely successful, and I congratulate all those recipients of those settlements for the way in which they\u2019ve managed them and the work they\u2019ve done to get them to, I guess, the point they get to, at any one time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EYou might wonder what an old bloke of Scottish descent is doing speaking on a bill like this in the House, but the Ahuriri area actually goes right into the Rangit\u012Bkei. So when you drive over to the K\u0101wekas and go into Hawke\u2019s Bay, you\u2019re basically looking at this whole area, from my part of the world where I go across there. And I\u2019m fortunate enough to have a mother, a daughter, and two grandsons, all who live right in Ahuriri itself. So I spend a bit of time there. On the weekend, I was walking around the estuary, actually, looking for National Party voters\u2014and they\u2019re pretty slim there. There was no more National Party voters there than there was snapper in the estuary. But it is a beautiful part of Hawke\u2019s Bay, and I accept the fact that nature dramatically changed the nature of that in 1931. But it is an interesting part of Hawke\u2019s Bay.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s one or two other things I think are worth commenting on, with respect to what\u2019s going on in this area at the moment. You\u2019ve got to think about\u2014we\u2019ll put these things in perspective, and if you look at Conservation House, it\u2019s a beautiful old building in the middle of Napier, and it very much reminds me, actually, of the Government buildings across the road here. You just have to hope that those sort of things are preserved for future generations because they are pretty special.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EThe other thing I think is really interesting about this part of the country is that Scinde Island, which is part of the settlement of this, is, of course, the home of the grave of Sir Donald McLean. If you go back in history, he was the cause, or could be well blamed for, a lot of the problems that have arisen in the process that\u2019s led to this settlement. So it\u2019s a very interesting history some of these settlements have too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EBut I do think that it\u2019s important that we put these in perspective and that we do our very best, at least, I guess, to honour the challenges of the past. I find it extremely difficult to think that we\u2019re trying to rectify something that started occurring 160 or 170 years ago and continued for probably nearly 100 years, and then from that time on, really nothing happened until the settlement process started, I guess, in this case, nearly some 35 or 40 years ago. But having got to this point, I just want to wish all those recipients of the settlement, the Ahuriri Hap\u016B and all associated with it, all the best for the future. I think it\u2019s really important that we get this through the House. I wish them a safe journey home, and I think it\u2019s really important that we acknowledge that this House has done its very best to get this bill to a point that at least is acceptable and deals with some of the challenges of the past.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EJust before I stop, Harete Hipango asked me to apologise\u2014she had Christmas coming a week early during the course of her speech, and she was very worried. She mentioned the date of the 14th of the 12th, when in fact it was the 7th. So she was in a hurry to get home. But she wanted me to apologise on her behalf for that mistake she made during the course of her speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6c42c44-3622-4c9c-98b8-793fb5ec15cc\u0022\u003EI wish the Ahuriri Hap\u016B and all associated with it all the best going forward, and I congratulate them on getting this thing finally to a fractious, I suppose, at times, agreement. But, none the less, they\u2019ve got it to an agreement, got it to a point of an agreement, and the apology I hope will be accepted and I hope that progress is made in the future. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u00229fe085b1fed2408888402c253b9b4e89\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229fe085b1fed2408888402c253b9b4e89\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Minister of Customs):\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESome say that she,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003Eis just a fantasy\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBut I can swear,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003Ethat she is there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo come along with me\u2026\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EWhen the night is still,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003Eand the moon is clear\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EYou can see Pania,\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003Eof the reef appear\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EKua tae mai a P\u0101nia, kua tae mai a Karitoki, kua tae mai a Morimori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, e ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ahuriri kua huihui mai i runga i kauapa whakanui, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[Pania has arrived, Karitoki has arrived, Morimori has arrived.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ETherefore, to the hap\u016B of Ahuriri who have gathered here in the spirit of celebration, greetings, greetings, greetings one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ETo those that have travelled all the way from Ahuriri but can\u2019t be here in the debating chamber, but I know they\u2019re on precinct, can I extend my warm welcome to them all. It is an absolute pleasure to be the final speech on this third reading of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill. Can I acknowledge those that may be watching at home. I\u2019m probably going to get a text from my mother that says, \u201CStick to your day job.\u201D, but, you know, I know she would want to be here, but I want to acknowledge all the hap\u016B of Ahuriri that have come along. It is unfortunate we cannot have them here in the debating chamber, because it gives that sense of grandeur that Treaty bills absolutely deserve, particularly on the third and final reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ECan I too acknowledge those that are not here today. I want to particularly mention Uncle Heitia and Margaret H\u012Bha, Ron Toatoa, Fred Reti.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThese were the wh\u0101nau whose whakaahuas came to the p\u014D\u2019hiri today. So those that are no longer with us, I want to mihi to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI want to also acknowledge all those involved in the settlement: obviously, the Hon Chris Finlayson; obviously, our colleague the Hon Michael Cullen; and, of course, the current Minister of Treaty settlements, the Hon Andrew Little. The Ahuriri negotiators: I want to particularly acknowledge Piriniha Prentice, Barry Wilson, Joinella Maihi-Carroll, and, of course, the Te Arawhiti officials and all those\u2014our M\u0101ori Affairs Committee colleagues, everyone that\u2019s made today possible. It has been a long journey, and it\u2019s not been without its challenges, but today is a day of acknowledging the harm and the hurt of the past but also of celebrating, and with great expectation, what is to come before us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EThere are two parts particularly that I want to draw attention to in my contribution this afternoon, and it is around underscoring M\u0101ori land legislation yet again, as it appears in this particular settlement, and how generous the hap\u016B of Ahuriri were in 1840 when they settled Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu, which is the greater Ahuriri-Napier area. In 1851, they allowed the Crown to purchase the Ahuriri Block for \u00A31,500. In the mid-1850s, tension was created. M\u0101ori were killed, with the Crown obstinately obsessed with getting more land. In 1865, you had more legislation passed by this House. It introduced the 10-owners rule that led to greater alienation in this particular settlement when in 1870, 51,000 acres of 54,000 acres were alienated under the 10-owner rule. I want to underscore that, because I\u2019ve stood in this House many times to look after the very little M\u0101ori whenua we have in M\u0101ori hands, and here\u2019s a classic example, in acknowledging this third reading, that another iwi not only had their land taken off them but, actually, their legislation that enabled the guarantees that weren\u2019t promised and upheld. That\u2019s what we are acknowledging here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EIn 1874, more land was gifted to the Napier Harbour Board. In the settlement, the Minister talked about shares in the Napier airport. I\u2019m hoping that the Port of Napier will also learn the history of how they came to be and how the Crown enabled them with whenua from the local hap\u016B of Ahuriri.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo I want to acknowledge those particular histories of this claim, but I\u2019m under no illusion that both the apology and the cultural redress and the financial redress in this settlement of something to the tune of $19.5 million will aid and abet the opportunities that these hap\u016B so well deserve. The gifting and losing of so much land in a key strategic city of the Kahungunu estate\u2014Ahuriri is the gateway into Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu. It is the gateway because it\u2019s the airport site and it has a port and it also has a railway. This is why it is regarded as strategically in a very important area of the Kahungunu estate. Therefore, my message to those in Napier, in Ahuriri, our business sector, our councils: please work alongside these people, because they\u2019re not going anywhere, and now they\u2019ve got $19.5 million, not to mention the statutory acknowledgments over many of our strategic waterways. It makes sense that the people of Napier work alongside them, and I\u2019m pleased that the member that just took his seat prior to me getting up, Ian McKelvie, said that he found no National supporters walking around the estuary of Te Whanganui-\u0101-Orotu\u2014probably he was looking in the wrong place, because there\u2019s no whare around there. Maybe he should go up the Bluff Hill\u2014maybe there\u2019s plenty up there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBut the point being that these people have actually sacrificed\u2014I shouldn\u2019t say \u201Cthese people\u201D, because they\u2019re my people, our people. Our t\u012Bpuna have sacrificed significantly to the growth and development of Ahuriri-Napier, and it is important in the passing of this bill, in its third and final reading, that we look forward to the opportunities. At today\u2019s 1 p.m. p\u014D\u2019hiri, our speaker from our side acknowledged ng\u0101 mokopuna o ng\u0101 moemoea, and I want to leave in my contribution the opportunity for ng\u0101 mokopuna of ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ahuriri, because this settlement gives the opportunity for the settlement trust, in its responsibility to those mokopuna\u2014to share the story of all mokopuna across Ahuriri-Napier, of all mokopuna throughout the Ng\u0101ti Kahungunu estate, to share this important story of what transpired for the people and the hap\u016B of Ahuriri. It is an important part of our history that we must acknowledge and we must share throughout our kura, of Hawke\u2019s Bay, of Ahuriri.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo there are opportunities here for all people, and I have no doubt that under the new leadership of this trust\u2014I want to acknowledge Tania Eden. I also want to acknowledge the newly appointed chief executive, Liz Munroe. I want to congratulate these w\u0101hine toa for the positions that they have taken up, but more importantly, to lead our people into those opportunities that are quite clearly around and within the Ahuriri area. It is my pleasure and my honour to commend the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill to the House. Mauri ora ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a95eaef52a7748fd8b2872cdf0677a05\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002266fa524c6268429ab57f3cc2bf25d474\u0022\u003ECOVID-19 Response\u2014Report into Deaths in Self-Isolation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022 data-id=\u00229cbb3794a4444ff3b882bbfccd9799b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a25943b-cb3b-49c3-bd10-74316fae17f1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229cbb3794a4444ff3b882bbfccd9799b9\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jacqui Dean)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, earlier this afternoon, the Speaker accepted an urgent debate application on the findings of the independent review panel into two COVID-19 deaths in self-isolation, and the House gave leave for it to be held following the third reading of the Ahuriri Hap\u016B Claims Settlement Bill. I therefore call on Brooke van Velden to move that the House take note of a matter of urgent public importance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022 data-id=\u00221a83f2ffc3d64bf7ba17471d170d9c97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221a83f2ffc3d64bf7ba17471d170d9c97\u0022\u003EBROOKE VAN VELDEN (Deputy Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I move, That the House take note of a matter of urgent public importance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EPeople put their faith in this Government every single day that the Government will act with the best intentions to keep them safe\u2014keep them safe from harm. We especially expect this to be done in a time of crisis like the COVID response. That\u2019s why New Zealanders have tuned into announcements every day during lockdowns, to make sure they\u2019re hearing the most up-to-date information about what they can do to keep others in their community safe, to keep their family safe, and to make sure that if they are ill or they have COVID, they know how to keep other members of their community safe. We are all collectively working hard to make sure that we get through this COVID response together. People have stayed at home. They\u2019ve done the right thing. People who have had positive COVID tests have turned themselves in for managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) spots and done the right thing to prevent infections and spread throughout the community. People have been at home for months with their kids, making sure that they\u2019re not putting their own children in harm\u2019s way. And people have, sadly, been missing their cancer appointments and their screenings and diagnosis. A lot of people have put their lives on hold because the Government has asked us to do the right thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EIn exchange, the expectation is that the Government will do the right thing by New Zealanders and that they will take on that duty of care, and work hard to put New Zealanders first and put our safety first. But this hasn\u2019t happened. New Zealanders have the right to expect good government and expect an efficient system that puts them first. The system has failed New Zealanders, and, in this particular case, it has failed two New Zealanders, who have died as a result of home isolation. I want to acknowledge those people who may be watching who are family members or friends of those two people who died while at home isolating and doing the right thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EBut we have to acknowledge how we ended up in this situation. The Government failed in its duty of care to New Zealanders by consistently being slow off the mark throughout the entire COVID response. We have been slow to put systems in place since COVID hit our shores last year. We\u2019ve had vaccines: they took ages to actually get procured and come to New Zealand and be put in arms. We\u2019ve had the vaccine roll-out, still, to this day, not be complete, but the vaccine passport, at the same time, wasn\u2019t done in tandem, and that\u2019s taken extra time too. We\u2019ve seen delays when it came to rapid antigen testing and putting that in place in communities when it could\u2019ve been done months ago. When we had home isolation, we knew, from talking to doctors in the community, that they were asking for this to be put in place months before the Government actually rolled it out. They were slow making sure that we had a plan to keep New Zealanders safe in their homes. And we have been slow with basic things like making sure that we have ICU capacity in the hospitals. We had 18 months, and not a single new ICU bed put in place. And we\u2019ve also had nurse shortages. You know, I talked to a woman who was locked out of New Zealand, and she was a critical care ICU nurse without her family here in New Zealand, struggling to get back through the border because she wasn\u2019t seen as essential to the COVID response, to get back through the border. That\u2019s how slow and badly planned this COVID response has been.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EBut when it comes to self-isolation, we weren\u2019t prepared for Delta at all. We had, at the beginning of this latest lockdown, MIQ that was being used, and we knew that the cases would increase as people ran out of MIQ spots. And that\u2019s exactly what happened. So the Government rolled out self-isolation, and they weren\u2019t prepared for what that would actually mean in reality. They announced it after we went into a Delta outbreak. That\u2019s why I\u2019ve brought this debate to Parliament\u2014because people have died at home, at home while they have been isolating away from the community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003ELast week, we saw findings of a review into home isolation that said that these deaths were potentially preventable deaths. Deaths that are preventable is extremely significant to Parliament. This is one of the largest errors that policy can make\u2014to lead to potential preventable deaths. There is nothing more significant to people than that they would lose their lives from an error of Parliament and an error of the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EI have a real concern, and the ACT Party has a real concern, with what this means for New Zealanders now. We have thousands of people who are currently isolating at home, and as we go into summer, as we see the COVID protection framework being rolled out, which is more commonly referred to as \u201Cthe traffic light system\u201D, this means that more people will be moving around the country, more people will be contracting COVID-19, and we will see more cases in the community self-isolating. We need to know that the system will actually be prepared for an increased number of cases and that people will have care when they\u2019re doing the right thing by isolating and staying out of the community. It is absolutely essential that we are scrutinising what is happening, because people deserve good care; they have a right to it. If we\u2019re asking people to stay home, we need to ensure that they have faith in the system so that they actually do it. This debate, I have to stress, is not about politics; it is about people. It is about people because people have lost their lives. Two people have died and more are potentially at risk currently self-isolating.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EThe Minister of Health, Andrew Little, stood in Parliament two weeks ago, after I questioned him in the House, and I asked, \u201CDoes he have confidence in the home isolation system?\u201D And the Minister assured me that he did have confidence in the system. He also raised that every person who is COVID positive and isolating at home should have a clinical assessment from a GP or another competent clinician if a GP is not available to assess them when they get a positive case. He also said that we do have metrics for clinical assessment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EBut if you look at what has been coming out of these report findings, what the Minister and the people in charge and the Government have been saying is completely different to what the doctors and the people working on the front lines of the COVID response have been seeing in their communities. Papakura GP Dr Harwood said that top officials said that protocols were being followed but that the k\u014Drero on the ground was completely different. People weren\u2019t having contact with public health, and pulse oximeters weren\u2019t being issued to people who did have a positive case. The Counties Manukau chief executive and spokeswoman for the Auckland home isolation system said that the system buckled under pressure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EWe need to know that the system can continue going forward, and we have so many questions because the findings of this review said that there were problems with assessments and clinical safety, welfare needs, mental wellbeing of COVID-19 patients, issues with connectivity between all parts of the system to ensure clinical oversight. There was a need for stronger clinical governance, for adequate reporting systems, and rapid, informed review of adverse events.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t want to go too in depth into the cases of the two people who died, out of respect for their families, but there are some issues that do need to be addressed. In the case of case A, it took five days before Healthline even attempted to call him, because the system was overloaded with patients. When Healthline calls went unanswered, the case was not escalated as a case for priority. The man\u2019s wh\u0101nau were not contacted after he was unable to be reached by Healthline. And his GP first received a written contact eight days after he tested positive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EIn the case of case B, the information about his ill health when he was discharged from hospital was not shared with Healthline, despite it being recorded by the hospital staff. The administration of medication that created an artificial sense of patient wellbeing was never considered in an initial or follow-up clinical assessment. Data from his pulse oximeter was not adequately collected, because he had difficulty using it. And a backlogged system meant the appropriate action was not taken when he was determined to be in need of urgent medical review.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EThe Government and the system failed two New Zealanders, and the ACT Party has questions about what went wrong. We know that we\u2019ve seen some of these report findings, but, importantly, we need to know what changes have been made to the system so that this doesn\u2019t happen again for another New Zealander. We need to know that as we go into summer, thousands of New Zealanders will be safe, they will get the adequate care that they deserve, and they won\u2019t be another one\u2014another person who is let down and loses their life because of bad public policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EWe need to know where the pulse oximeters are for every person who\u2019s got them. We know that the Minister says we have nearly 30,000 pulse oximeters in New Zealand, and yet we\u2019re not issuing them in every case. I don\u2019t understand why we are giving different abilities of care to different New Zealanders throughout the country. Every person should be expected to receive the same amount of care when they are at home.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EWhy isn\u2019t the Ministry of Health as available as it should be to New Zealanders? Why are some people spending days waiting for a phone call while others will receive them within 24 hours? Why is there not more consistency with the calls? And why is it that some people when we\u2019re being promised that they\u2019ll be contacted by a GP, or somebody who\u2019s clinically trained, are not being contacted by these people? They are being contacted by people who have already gone to the media and said, \u201CWe are not adequately trained to deal with this.\u201D I think that is very disappointing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EThe actions going forward are that every person should be issued a pulse oximeter. There are thousands of them. We should give them to everybody, not just the ones that the Minister believes are clinically assessed for it. We should be ensuring that GPs and clinically trained people are contacting people who are COVID positive within 24 hours of them having their positive test and then being at home. We need to ensure that the Minister is being transparent. It\u2019s not good enough that the Government can stand up and say that they have confidence in the system and say things are working well, when people who are on the front line are painting a very different picture. We need to know what\u2019s going wrong so it can be rectified. The Government needs scrutiny because people have a right to know what is actually going on. New Zealanders need to know that if they get sick and if they stay at home, they have certainty that they will get good care. There are thousands of people who are currently sitting at home wondering, \u201CWill I be next? Will that happen to me? How am I supposed to know how to keep care of myself if people are not contacting me, to know how I\u2019m supposed to do that?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003EI want to just end on acknowledging the two people that did die. I think it is a real shame that this Government and its systems led to that, and I think we can do better and we have to do better for all of those other New Zealanders who are currently self-isolating and who will be self-isolating over summer. We need to provide certainty that they will get the care that they need. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u00225be0a4f7edaa4814a8bbdccf44b8db18\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225be0a4f7edaa4814a8bbdccf44b8db18\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker, and can I begin by firstly acknowledging the tragedy of this situation and of these two deaths, and express my condolences to the families and wh\u0101nau of these two men who lost their lives when they were isolating at home with COVID.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s important, as indeed the member who has just resumed her seat, Brooke van Velden, says, that there is transparency and openness, and it was because of those deaths\u2014it was straight after the first death that the investigation, which is the subject of this report, was commenced. It was a day later that the second death happened and the report was amended to include that second death as well. The report was conducted by a group of people, a number of clinicians, as well as those working in the welfare front line as well. They have concluded their report. They\u2019ve made their findings and they\u2019ve made some recommendations, and they have done that in a matter of weeks, and we now have the benefit of their report. The report writers of course acknowledge that their review and their focus was on the processes from the time at which these men entered the care in the community system to the time of their deaths, but it is for the coroner to rule on cause of death. So I think we do need to pay heed to the content of the report in terms of the processes that they examined for two patients who came under the care of the care in the community system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI should acknowledge also that the DHBs who are responsible for the organisation that provides the care in community service, the Northern Region Health Coordination Centre\u2014those DHBs have apologised for the failings of that system. Indeed, the DHBs said\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201CWe unreservedly accept the findings of the review and apologise to the wh\u0101nau for the shortfalls in the response provided.\u201D The DHBs go on to acknowledge the input that wh\u0101nau had into the completion of the report. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt was interesting to note that writers of the report made a comment about the speed with which things were happening, and indeed, at the time they were writing their report, they made the comment, and I quote, \u201CThe panel acknowledges that changes to the care and community systems are being introduced daily, informed by the issues that are arising. We are acutely aware that even in the few days of the review period, some of the recommendations we will make are becoming a reality.\u201D So the review panel was aware that as a consequence of these events, changes were already being made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe review panel also acknowledged the speed of change that was happening around this time, and they acknowledged that the speed with which the number of daily cases was rising in Auckland had overwhelmed the system. They pointed out, for example, that at the time that they were writing the report, the system was supporting 1,255 patients with COVID and their wh\u0101nau and close contacts: a total of 2,835 people in 885 households. And just a matter of weeks before, there was one organisation being required to support just 50 families at the commencement of the programme. That is how quickly things changed. For the record, there are now over 6,500 people being supported in the system, and that is requiring a daily programme of a size that has never had to be geared up before. None of that is comfort to the wh\u0101nau and families of these men who have died. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe Government has been acutely aware, since the beginning of the pandemic last year and since the beginning of the August outbreak in Auckland, that the measures that the Government supports and the measures that the health system has to put in place have to prioritise preserving life, and that is what we have done and that is why the track record of this country when it comes to the management of COVID has been to see one of the lowest levels of mortality and one of the lowest case numbers of any country in the world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EAs Delta arrived and we managed our response to that, we knew that we had to adapt our system to allow for more people to recover from COVID in the community. That planning started in September. On 14 October, myself and some colleagues confirmed the model that we were adopting, the care in the community model, which was very much based on models that had already been put in place in Canada and in New South Wales. That was the model that was being put in place as Auckland, in particular, was adapting to the rapid rise in case numbers that were experienced at that time. The reality is the system as it was, and during its adaptation, was being overwhelmed and, tragically, the steps that ought to have been taken in relation to these two men were not taken. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe Government had made clear its expectation that the priority is a clinical assessment of those who are being required to isolate at home or to remain at home while they are being cared for. Because the first question is, is that the right place for them to be, and have all the relevant factors been taken into account\u2014both them, their health and their health profile, the rest of the household, and indeed other personal circumstances that might be applicable? So the first question that the system needs to answer is should the person even be at home? The system was used to referring anybody with COVID immediately to a managed isolation facility, but that wasn\u2019t going to continue and it never was going to be a permanent feature, because at some point, as the population became vaccinated and as we became used to COVID and as more therapeutics came on that could help us manage COVID, we knew that we had to prepare for more people being able to recover at home. Those are all the steps that this Government has backed and supported and financed in preparation of a change of mode in response to this virus. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ESo in addition to prioritising the clinical assessment, we also had to prioritise a welfare assessment. There are some who can look after themselves at home, but not everybody is in that circumstance. There are some people who have a number of other issues, including wh\u0101nau members, it might be pets, it might be their personal circumstances and their employment relationships and what-have-you that have to also be taken care of. If they are living on their own and they can\u2019t go out and get food, then that has to be supplied and they have to be supported for that as well. So all of that was part of the model that was being put in place and is in place now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI think what became clear is that the transition from the public health assessment, which was what the system was geared up to do primarily because they knew that once a person had returned a positive test they\u2019d be whistled off to managed isolation or to hospital\u2014but the shift from public health assessment to personal, clinical, and welfare assessment was too slow. The system did not keep up and so the right assessments were not carried out by the right people at the right time. But the reviewers, as they recorded in this report, have noted that changes that they have recommended should be made were already being changed at the very time that they were examining the processes. And I can say with confidence that those processes have changed, and when I see the way the system has responded in other places where the outbreak has just emerged\u2014so, for example, in Nelson last week where an outbreak emerged, I\u2019m confident that the DHB, which like all DHBs had engaged in the preparation planning, was prepared, was ready, was waiting, and was able to respond effectively and quickly and properly to the needs of that community and those who returned positive tests. And that has happened. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThere are a number of things that the report has highlighted where there were inadequacies in the system. The reality is some of these have been historical problems, the relics of an extended period of time where the investment in health infrastructure was at an appallingly and embarrassingly low level\u2014so little or no investment in our IT platforms and our health system. So we\u2019re meant to have a national health system, but we allowed 120 different systems to set up because the previous Government just didn\u2019t have its eye on the ball, just ignored the problems. So we now have\u2014we\u2019ve started the investment in an IT platform that means that all the systems talk to each other and are accessible wherever you are in the country. But it wasn\u2019t ready. It hasn\u2019t been ready. We had to build a system especially for our border management when COVID arrived\u2014the border case management system. We had to build that especially for COVID in New Zealand, a system that is accessible nationwide and can track cases coming in. But that was to map people crossing the border who had COVID. That was all it was set up to do, and it had to be adapted, and it has taken time to adapt it to do a much more complex and comprehensive function. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EBut, see, that\u2019s what happens when you run down a health system, and even with the best effort that has been made in the last four years to massively increase investment and do the massive catch-up job, sometimes you just don\u2019t catch up fast enough. But I acknowledge the work that the health system has done: the Ministry of Health, DHBs, and an amazing health workforce that has, frankly, been under the pump month after month after month, since this virus arrived, to provide the best care possible. But it hasn\u2019t been perfect\u2014but it hasn\u2019t been perfect\u2014and I again acknowledge the tragic loss of these two men. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIf there is a lesson in this anywhere at all\u2014and there is a lesson, actually\u2014this virus has highlighted a number of things about our health system. One is that you cannot, year after year, short change our health system and expect a world-class health system 10 years later. Also, we know there is inequity in our health system\u2014huge inequity in our health system\u2014and the light has been truly shone on it in recent months and indicated by these two cases as well, where it is pretty clear, according to the report, that the proper cultural responses were not made; that two M\u0101ori men who needed care were not communicated with in an appropriate way. Community organisations who could have provided appropriate intervention were not plugged into the system sufficiently to enable that to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ESo those things have been acknowledged and those things are known, and the system has adapted and continues to improve and will always continue to improve. When we have events like this\u2014tragic events such as this\u2014we need to know and the system needs to have confidence that it can examine itself, that it can find its shortcomings, and that it can be given the opportunity to overcome its shortcomings and, at the very least, honour the loss of these two men in the improvements that will be made that will be for the benefit of everybody else in Aotearoa New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI\u2019m confident that those who have led the system at the DHB level, at the regional health coordination centre level, and at the ministry level have understood what the gaps were and were rapidly trying to deal with them as case numbers were rising, and have taken the steps and made the measures, with the support of Government, with the support of additional investment, to ensure that everything that can possibly be done to prevent this sort of thing happening again has been, and is being, and will continue to be done. That is what we owe people\u2014that is what we owe people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe member who opened the debate was right when she said that people put their faith in Government to act with best intentions, especially in a crisis like this, and that in exchange for the sacrifices that people have made and are making, every effort is made to ensure the system is as effective as possible. I can assure the member, and I assure this House, that is what has happened. Every person, every public servant, every clinician, every person on the end of a phone, every person involved in the community, the community organisations, the NGOs who have been involved, and everybody in this precinct who gets to be involved and gets to make decisions, that is the value that has underpinned everything we have done. But tragically, it will never be perfect and we have discovered imperfections, and the clinicians and others who put this report together have revealed those imperfections, and steps were being taken at the time, have been taken since, and are being taken now to make sure we have the best system possible to respond to COVID, not just in T\u0101maki-makau-rau any more, and Waikato, but right around the motu, right around Aotearoa New Zealand, and I\u2019m confident the system is a good one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u002289bfb70287e94fb7bddae0bf8b059fd8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002289bfb70287e94fb7bddae0bf8b059fd8\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Assistant Speaker. If I could give you the \u201Ctoo long; didn\u2019t read\u201D version of that Minister\u2019s lamentable 15-minute contribution to this very important debate, it would be: \u201CTwo people have died in preventable ways in a Government-run home isolation system. That\u2019s terrible and we weren\u2019t ready.\u201D That\u2019s basically the short summary of a very lamentable 15-minute contribution in this debate, which is: we accept that two people have died in preventable ways\u2014and that\u2019s to quote the northern health organisations\u2019 review of those deaths\u2014we don\u2019t like that, that\u2019s regrettable, and the system wasn\u2019t ready. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWell, my question to the Government is: why was the system not ready? What we had was a stunning admission just then from the Government, and in their response to media reports of these deaths, that the system was not schooled up, the system was not geared up to cope with the number of daily cases that presented in this most recent outbreak. And I quote the Minister: \u201CThe system wasn\u2019t ready for the rapid escalation in the number of daily cases. \u2026 [We expected] 100 to 120 cases a day. \u2026 [We were not ready for] 150 to 200.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EHere\u2019s a question. Why was the system not ready? When is Andrew Little as the Minister of Health going to stop blaming everyone other than the Government and his own ministry for the failings that he presides over? Because the thing that has come through with this Government, whether it\u2019s vaccination passes or business or the health system readiness or rapid antigen testing, or anything at all\u2014when it comes to COVID, the clear theme that comes through is it\u2019s everybody else\u2019s fault but the Government\u2019s. Everything that happens is everyone else\u2019s fault. It\u2019s never the responsibility of the Ministers. They\u2019re always able to disclaim responsibility. It\u2019s always somebody else\u2019s fault. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWell, the question for Andrew Little and the Government Ministers that will follow in this very important debate moved by Brooke van Velden is: why was the system not ready? Why has Sir Brian Roche written a report to Government in September this year, 23 September, saying that there are urgent issues with respect to New Zealand\u2019s preparedness for reconnecting\u2014in other words, opening up. And the current outbreak\u2014and remember, this is in September and the outbreak started in August\u2014has revealed the very poor level of preparedness of the hospital systems for Delta. Why is that the case?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI put it to you that, unfortunately, the Government spent the first few months of this year assuming that elimination would work. They assumed that they\u2019d run the same playbook as 2020, which was very successful, which was that we would erect the border barriers, not let anybody in, and we would use the hard measures of lockdowns to eliminate COVID from New Zealand again. The reason I say that I think the Government thought that is because that\u2019s pretty much what the Prime Minister said. When Delta turned up on 17 August and it had been in the community for a few days, but the first case came through the system on 17 August\u2014everyone remembers; here we go again. Delta has arrived; 20 percent vaccination. The numbers were so low. The Prime Minister turned up on national television and she said \u201Cshort and sharp\u201D. Remember that? Remember a \u201Cshort and sharp lockdown\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EPoor old David Seymour got a $3,000 parking bill because he believed her. I would have thought a guy who\u2019s been in Parliament for four years would know better than to believe the Prime Minister, when it comes to exhortations from the podium of truth or the podium of mistruth, as is now being called\u2014the podium of platitudes, as we now call it on this side, because that\u2019s all we get these days. We don\u2019t get the truth from the podium; we get platitudes. But I would have thought David Seymour as an experienced member of Parliament would know better than to believe what he listens to from that podium. He got a $3,000 parking fine, poor guy, because he thought it was going to be short and sharp. What\u2019s that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d3e06d6a9f946488d9c6e56cc16e9c3\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: You can\u2019t even trust the PM with your parking now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223180d4901b6949059c68285d5929e5cb\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: You can\u2019t even trust the Prime Minister with your parking. He thought it would be short and sharp. And as it turned out, because there was no prep work whatsoever for Delta, it was not short and sharp, and because our vaccination rates were so low\u201420 percent in mid-August\u2014we had to do the lockdown and it went on and on because there was no prep work for Delta. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EAnd as it turned out, as the outbreak persisted, the Government had no idea what to do. Now, a sensible Government would have listened to people like Rako Science, who said, \u201CLet\u2019s scale up the testing\u2014let\u2019s scale up the saliva testing that we can provide. Let\u2019s carpet-bomb South Auckland with rapid antigen tests to try and find as many people with COVID as possible.\u201D But no, no, no. This smart Government that eliminated COVID last year, they knew better. They\u2019d just run the 2020 playbook and all would be well. Well, actually, what happened was all was not well, and we have now spent four months, the better part of the last four months of this year, in Auckland in a lockdown which is only now lessening. There was no back-up plan from the Government. I don\u2019t like using the word \u201CPlan B\u201D, because of the connotations that that has come to be associated with. So I talk about back-up plan. There was no back-up plan. It was assumed that elimination would work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EAnd we know from the Government\u2019s own documents that from August the officials were writing to Ministers Peeni Henare and David Clark. They were writing to the Ministers saying: we are now starting some work on Delta. In August! Why were the officials writing to Ministers in August, saying things like: \u201CWe\u2019re setting up a work programme to consider the effect of Delta on New Zealand.\u201D? Hmm. What a sensible idea that would be! I\u2019ll tell you when it would have been a sensible idea to do: maybe back in March and April, because Delta was in managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) from the first week of April. The Prime Minister says, \u201COh, well, Delta. It\u2019s a very tricky virus, you know. Look, there\u2019s no playbook for it.\u201D Actually, there was a playbook. We knew what was coming because we were the last to get it. That\u2019s the other thing. We were the last to get Delta because we\u2019re at the bottom of the world and we had these high barriers, and we looked at the UK and we looked at the United States and we looked at Australia and we knew that it was going to come. But the Government only got on top of doing some work on it in August\u2014in August! It\u2019s just unfathomable when it was in MIQ since April. That is the context for this report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe Government should have been ready. It was as clear as day to anybody that at some point COVID was going to turn up here again and we had to be ready for it, and the Government had no plan. That\u2019s the context with which this report comes, because if you read the report, it makes it very clear that the Government had to very quickly stand up a home isolation system. Just read it. Page five: \u201CThe speed of change mandated by the rapid rise in cases cannot be over-emphasised, with consequences including confusion and delayed response. \u2026 the rapid increase in the number of patients requiring the service far exceeded planning and expectations. Capacity \u2026 was initially overwhelmed.\u201D That\u2019s in the report and the Minister accepts it. The Minister accepts the findings of the report and he says, \u201CWell, we\u2019ll put it right.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWell, that\u2019s all very well and good now, but we need to know, and the House needs to know, why that was not done earlier. Why did the Government spend April, May, June, July, August, September in denial about what Delta would bring?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc50a7a5f9bf42fc82f41fc98e92cc0f\u0022\u003EBarbara Kuriger\u003C/span\u003E: Because they\u2019re hopeless.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecda068cc8b94606a460dccb601f966f\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Because they\u2019re hopeless, says Barbara Kuriger. Why did the Government spend all that time assuming that elimination would work? It\u2019s possible to walk and chew gum at the same time, or it should be, for a competent Government. Clearly, we had to try and make elimination work. No one doubts that as a strategy. We adopted an elimination strategy that enjoyed bipartisan support across the Parliament, particularly in the first six months of this year. Clearly, we had to make elimination work, but you don\u2019t put all your eggs in one basket. You do not. You have to plan for the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWhat the Government should have been doing was saying, \u201CIn the event that Delta turns up, it will spread. What will we do when it does? Well, we\u2019re going to end up with a lot of cases in ICU and a lot of cases in hospital, and we\u2019re going to end up with some cases in the community; we need a plan for that.\u201D What is so clear from these documents, from reading the Sir Brian Roche advice of September and reading the Northern Region Health Coordination Centre\u2019s own report is that no one bothered to do that. No one bothered to say: go away and do some work on home isolation. I got an Official Information Act (OIA) response from the Whanganui DHB the other day. Three weeks ago, I OIA\u2019d them and I said, \u201CWhat\u2019s your home isolation plan? I want to see a copy of it.\u201D They hadn\u2019t even produced one. This was three weeks ago, in mid-November. You know, you ask yourself why that is the case, and the reality is there\u2019s probably no central direction. So I find this incredibly depressing, because it was so clear that we needed to be planning for the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EGood government is not just about responding to what\u2019s in front of you on a day-to-day basis; it\u2019s not. It\u2019s not just about reacting week by week and turning up in question time and saying things are OK when they\u2019re not. That\u2019s not good government. Good government is thinking ahead. Good government is actually directing the officials to think ahead and to think about what\u2019s coming. And the tragedy of these reports and the tragedy of these two poor men who have died is they died in preventable ways. That\u2019s what the report says. If this Government had been on the job and competent from the outset, they would not have died. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb849b2104ae4abba42fd63c3f01661b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb849b2104ae4abba42fd63c3f01661b\u0022\u003EDr ELIZABETH KEREKERE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E E te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. N\u0101, te mea tuatahi he mihi aroha ki te wh\u0101nau pani o \u0113r\u0101 t\u0101ne. Mauria mai ng\u0101 tini aitu\u0101 hei tangihia hei maumaharatia. Haere ki te puna wairua, ki te puna roimata, ki te puna tangata. Haere, haere, haere atu r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003E[Madam Speaker, greetings. Firstly, I would like send my condolences to the bereaved families of those men. Carry with you the many deaths that need to be mourned and remembered. Go to the spring of the spirit, to the well of tears, to the source of life. May they rest in peace.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003EI begin today by acknowledging the wh\u0101nau and friends of these men\u2014people who loved them, who are mourning, and who are rightfully angry at these tragic and seemingly completely preventable deaths. We\u2019ll take part in this debate because we want to honour their lives and all the people who have so far passed away from this pandemic. We hope that it will continue to be the wake-up call that the Government needs, but we acknowledge the hard work of the Government. We acknowledge how hard our health workers, our community people, how everybody has rallied, and M\u0101ori communities and Pasifika, all our migrant people\u2014everybody is working as hard as they can. They are tired. They are really tired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003EHowever, some of this, and the impact on M\u0101ori, is because of some key strategic decisions that were made that from the beginning have impacted on us. So, from day one, the Government decided against an equity approach. An age-based vaccination roll-out inherently and completely disadvantaged M\u0101ori from the beginning because of our underlying health conditions that see us die on average 20 years younger, because of overcrowded housing, but mostly because of the institutional racism that the health system is set up on. That\u2019s just not me and the Greens saying that. In this report, and I quote, \u201CMost importantly the system design has not developed with equity at its heart. The combination of lower vaccination rates in M\u0101ori and Pasifika, and the spread of COVID-19 in low socio-demographic and marginalised communities has meant that the burden of COVID-19 has fallen disproportionately on M\u0101ori and Pasifika communities. There is a risk that the current\u201D\u2014this is the community supported isolation and quarantine\u2014\u201Csystem could further magnify this inequity.\u201D So that is the place we start from.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003EEvery single M\u0101ori and even non-M\u0101ori expert that we have spoken to and that I have questioned in the Health Committee that has gone on record has agreed that even if the rest of the country has 100 percent vaccinations, if M\u0101ori do not, it doesn\u2019t matter. They will be fine generally; we will not. So we make up about half of the cases, despite being less than 20 percent of the population. Nearly 85 percent of M\u0101ori have had one dose; that is great, that is awesome\u201472 percent have had two. While nearly all DHBs have reached that magic 90 percent first dose, and Tai R\u0101whiti is so close, only two DHBs in the country have got 90 percent of M\u0101ori that have had their first dose.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003EAnd when we look at this report that has been done, I was so, so sad reading this, because I know how hard people in our health workforce are working. No one there wants to make mistakes. No one wanted to be the person who realised that the call wasn\u2019t made because of the technology. Those are horrible, horrible reasons and horrible things to deal with in your work. What struck me, though, in both these cases is it was not just one thing that happened; it was a succession of things that went wrong. Things escalated, and in some cases the escalation that should have happened never did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003ESo we acknowledge things are moving very, very fast. We acknowledge we\u2019re trying to work things out with old systems. We acknowledge that the health system has multiple systems that do not speak to each other, and that holds us back not just for this, but in probably most aspects of health. And the new health system\u2014we\u2019re looking and waiting for the magical IT unified system that will have no glitches, that will speak to everybody and everybody\u2019s information will be updated, their correct name and gender will be in the system, their iwi, perhaps, will be connected to their name.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003ESo supporting our workforce. People need everything in place to do their job well. We understand the key times, the key places where our most qualified people need to make the decision. People on the end of a phone who are not qualified cannot make those assessments. They can triage things, they can tell you who to call, but we need those systems in place. We need enough of those people with those qualifications. I absolutely agree with my colleagues who are saying, \u201CWhat are we doing about all those people who are waiting to come here but do not have an MIQ spot? Qualified health workers that we need right now in our system.\u201D We need to unify the families of people who have come here for that purpose, because that\u2019s a health and wellbeing thing for our staff.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003EWe absolutely need the technology that allows people to do their job properly, but we also need those strong local connections. My first thing when I hear somebody\u2019s self-isolating, it\u2019s like, \u201CWhere are they?\u201D Lots of us are living in overcrowded spaces. Where have they gone to be by themselves? And it may be, because we don\u2019t know all the details, that these were people who lived alone, but where were their families? Why were their families not told? So those local connections\u2014who\u2019s stepping in to check on them? Who\u2019s coming to just see if they\u2019re all right, even if they\u2019re standing outside the door to have a chat? Who\u2019s bringing them food? Who\u2019s making sure their cat\u2019s all right? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003EIt really disturbed me, that thing about the oximeter, because some of our people who are given these pieces of technology to use\u2014and it said in the review that even though they were struggling with it and didn\u2019t know how to use it, they were still sent away with them. Now, that was critical to monitoring that person that it was used and updated, because they didn\u2019t know how to use it, the information wasn\u2019t updated, so one of the ways the alert could have been raised never happened. A simple, simple thing of someone going to the house and checking they know how to use it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227ec53e32-05ab-4c6b-a080-4024e72a9099\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve spoken in this House before about whare tapa wh\u0101; that our health system mainly focuses on the tinana, the bodily integrity, what happens to our physical self. But I think one of those other aspects is around wh\u0101nau. We have to stop treating each case as an individual and look at where they fit in their wh\u0101nau, who is their community of support around them, and then helping resource those wh\u0101nau, those community people who will be the ones that will go in and check on them\u2014their hinengaro; their mental wellbeing. These are unprecedented times, but actually we\u2019ve had things like this before, because, for M\u0101ori, even though COVID impacts on M\u0101ori disproportionately, it\u2019s just the latest thing. There\u2019ll be something after this. We\u2019re not designed for these P\u0101keh\u0101 diseases. We are pinning all of our hope on the M\u0101ori Health Authority. There\u2019s a lot of burden going on this one little statutory authority to fix\u2014centuries of problems with M\u0101ori health, but this one is happening right now. So for the same reason that the Government knew they had to set up an independent M\u0101ori authority if they wanted to make an impact on M\u0101ori health for COVID, for whether it\u2019s home isolation, whether it\u2019s MIQ, however things are rolling out, if you want M\u0101ori to live, you ask the M\u0101ori experts what to do and then you do it. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora huihui mai t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u00225901c554277a4128b76bf17d22126a39\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225901c554277a4128b76bf17d22126a39\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Associate Minister of Health (M\u0101ori Health)):\u003C/span\u003E E aku apa whatukura e te ika huirua kua riro atu ki te p\u014D, kia t\u0101pai ake ki tini kua riro atu i t\u0113nei t\u0101ima o te urut\u0101, kia tangihia w\u0101 t\u0101tou mate ki te t\u0101huhu k\u014Drero o t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare e t\u016B nei. Ki a koutou katoa kua riro atu ki te p\u014D, haere mai, haere.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa whakahokia mai ng\u0101 r\u0101rangi k\u014Drero ki a t\u0101tou, e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[To my many spiritual ancestors and to the two victims who have recently passed away, adding to the many who have passed during the time of this epidemic, let us lament our dead as they pass into the history of this House. To all those who have passed away, may you rest in peace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EBringing the discussions back to ourselves, Madam Speaker, greetings to you and greetings to all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAs I have done on many occasions, I stand first to lament the loss of these two gentlemen. Of course we send them and farewell them, with all of those whom we\u2019ve farewelled during this tricky time and challenging time of COVID-19, whether they\u2019ve passed because of the disease of COVID-19 or whether they\u2019ve passed during the time of lockdown. We know that these particular challenges on our wh\u0101nau have been heightened in the M\u0101ori community, heightened in the Pacific community, but I will say this: heightened across all communities of Aotearoa. And I want to take the opportunity to farewell them and farewell them appropriately here in the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe Minister of Health has already explained that we accept the recommendations from this report. We know that, as COVID-19 has been in our community, in particular over the last four months, we have required a system that must be agile and nimble during what is a particularly tricky time, and if I can echo the sentiments of our colleague Dr Kerekere in thanking a hard-working health sector\u2014and I mean hard-working. I\u2019ve travelled the country to meet with M\u0101ori health providers, primary health organisations (PHOs), pharmacies, health leadership, and I acknowledge the role that they\u2019ve played in adapting to these tricky COVID times and making sure they can continue to serve their community and not in a one-size-fits-all approach. And I\u2019ll come to that a little bit later in my contribution, as we look towards what the report recommends and how we might continue to make sure that we\u2019ve got a better system that will continue to serve our people, as we look towards the new protection framework and, of course, the 15 December date that has been offered to allow the people in T\u0101maki-makau-rau more freedoms across the country and the ability to travel. What we know, in the conversations in the community, is that, while we count down to 15 December, communities right across the country are looking towards the right model that suits them for care in the community. And I can say that if we get the framework right, the leadership right, the most important part will be how we connect it to the execution on the ground\u2014the way that we implement it amongst our people\u2014and that\u2019s going to be key.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIf we look towards these two gentlemen and acknowledge their M\u0101ori whakapapa\u2014and Dr Kerekere is right in saying that we can\u2019t simply look towards a clinical assessment. While we acknowledge, in the report, that that was lacking, we acknowledge too that that must be one of the first priorities as we find wh\u0101nau members and community members who contract COVID, to have a clear clinical assessment early. From there, we must look towards the entire system to cater for them and their wh\u0101nau. And I want to give an example: what we know, in recent times, is a particular person in a wh\u0101nau has contracted COVID-19, and what\u2019s happened is that the health response was strong\u2014actually, a strong clinical assessment, a strong connection with the wh\u0101nau\u2014and then, sadly, what happened was the social connection wasn\u2019t there. In a remote area, how was that wh\u0101nau supposed to be able to go and get the needs of their tamariki, their mokopuna who all live in the same house? And who stepped into the breach? M\u0101ori health providers\u2014M\u0101ori health providers. And we\u2019ve heard it right across the country. I suspect members right across the country have heard the same line: trusted members of the community\u2014not just anybody but a trusted member, and a skilled member, and the right person in that community to continue to work with that family.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ESo we accept these recommendations, and as the report already outlines, we\u2019ve already gone some way to making sure that we can fulfil those recommendations, to make sure we can adjust the system to be able to respond. And I want to come back to a previous point I\u2019ve made: it is important that we have a good structure and good leadership here, but the system must be able to respond according to its environment, and we know that these particular cases are in T\u0101maki-makau-rau, where, despite the challenges on the health sector, there is a health infrastructure there that you will not find in either Kait\u0101ia, Te Tai R\u0101whiti, and more remote, rural area across Aotearoa. So we need to make sure the settings are right to allow the ability for our providers in our community to lead the isolation at home. And I want to come to that very shortly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI want to address a couple of the points that have already been made by members from the other side of the House. One of them is: \u201COK, what has the Government done to be able to prepare ourselves for COVID-19?\u201D\u2014and in particular the Delta strain. I have been travelling the length of this country since March to promote the most effective tool to protect our wh\u0101nau during these times, whether it was before Delta or even after Delta, and that is the vaccine. I can tell you that certain members on the other side of the House have proven a roadblock or challenged the push for equity in this space as we\u2019ve looked to support M\u0101ori communities to vaccinate, to make sure that our people have the number one tool that will help them in the onset of COVID-19 in their community. Those efforts continue today, and I want to be clear to the M\u0101ori community in particular, but also to our Pacific community, our ethnic communities, and our tangata whaikaha communities: we will not give up on you. We will continue to push the vaccine to make sure it\u2019s readily available to you, to help give you the best protection as we move forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThe other part I want to touch on is, of course\u2014right, we accept the recommendations of the review, of the report\u2014where to from here? And I\u2019m actually quite proud to stand here and say that, about a month and a half ago, we announced a significant investment of funds to be able to make sure that, amongst iwi and in particular in M\u0101ori communities, we can support them now to do the planning for care in community. And I\u2019ll tell you what makes that special: not only do we have the health expertise to be able to do that, led by M\u0101ori health providers, PHOs, and regions, but we also have the more fulsome tapa wh\u0101 model that Dr Kerekere refers to that are led by iwi, led by hap\u016B, led by M\u0101ori communities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAnd I want to really emphasise that point, because I\u2019ll tell you why: in recent days, a member from the ACT Party has likened the actions of iwi to protect their community to thuggery, calling them thugs. Now, what we know is that for this model to be successful, we need iwi on board. In fact, I\u2019ve seen multiple iwi plans for care in community which are fantastic\u2014iwi-led, community-led. For example, Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bwharetoa showed me their plan, which would look toward isolating the case of COVID. They\u2019d wrap around support in the wh\u0101nau, and instead of putting the positive case into the marae, what they\u2019ll do is take in the wh\u0101nau, those who test negative, and put them on to the marae, where we would normally care for and cater for our wh\u0101nau while wrapping the health services around the positive case isolating at home. Now, that\u2019s how you do M\u0101ori care in community, and the support that we are giving iwi to plan this, to lead this amongst our own people, in our own communities is really important. Now, that planning isn\u2019t just done in T\u0101maki-makau-rau, where a large percentage of our M\u0101ori population are. In fact, 74 percent of Ng\u0101puhi live in T\u0101maki-makau-rau. What it also does is support our more rural, isolated communities, and that\u2019s going to be the key so that we don\u2019t repeat the mistakes that have been identified in this report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ESo we\u2019ve got a job to do to continue to support those efforts, and I acknowledge that as we look towards care in the community, as we look towards making sure that M\u0101ori actually can play a lead role in this space, we need to continue to drive home some very key messages to our community: (1) vaccination. Our rates are climbing for M\u0101ori, and I\u2019m proud of that. In fact, if we look towards all the vaccination programmes ever run in this country, we have now well exceeded the best that M\u0101ori communities have ever done in the past on a vaccination programme. Long may that continue. The next one is to allow the space and to resource M\u0101ori communities to do this. And I\u2019m proud to say that on this side of the House, we are doing that now, and we will continue to do that. Ultimately, though, as we look towards the way that we care in community and the 15 December date that I\u2019ve already mentioned, who\u2019s going to lead this? It is going to be our community. It\u2019ll get there with strong health leadership from the centre, from this Government, from health infrastructure across the country, and I\u2019m confident that, as we move forward into the coming weeks and months, we will manage this well during summer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022 data-id=\u0022c8585c3deea34848be094a0333ea8bff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c8585c3deea34848be094a0333ea8bff\u0022\u003EDr SHANE RETI (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I te tuatahi, ki \u0113nei mate, haere ki te k\u0101inga t\u016Bturu o t\u014D t\u0101tou Matua i te Rangi, moe mai, moe mai r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003E[Firstly, to those who have passed, go to the permanent dwelling place of our Father in Heaven; may you rest in peace.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EFirst of all, I want to acknowledge these two people who have succumbed to this terrible disease and extend thoughts to them, and particularly to their family. I want to, in this offering, address several parts around these very sad reports. First of all, why did this happen? Secondly, what actually happened? And third, most importantly, where to from here?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThe question of why this happened\u2014well, this is a sad tragedy of being underprepared through this report. The Government was underprepared for increasing community cases, and while it\u2019s alluded to in the report, I actually find the answers in written question No. 52015, which asks questions around home isolation. The answer to this question was this: \u201CA rapid increase in COVID-19 cases during the August 2021 community outbreak put pressure on managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) places and it was necessary to quickly implement a community isolation and quarantine option.\u201D\u2014it was necessary to quickly implement a community isolation and quarantine option.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThis Government was unprepared. They had 18 months from the first COVID outbreak in 2020, and yet when COVID cases went up this year in August 2021, 18 months later, they had to quickly look at implementing a community isolation programme\u2014hospital at home. When did we start doing ICU-lite? Surely that\u2019s an oxymoron in itself. When did we start pushing cases out into the community and saying, \u201COh, by the way, our health system\u2019s unprepared, so you just help yourself.\u201D? \u201COh, by the way, we\u2019ll give you one of these things.\u201D, which is the pulse oximeter that I keep in Parliament for who knows when. When we say, \u201CHere\u2019s your hospital at home. Good luck to you. God bless you. Figure it out.\u201D, when did that happen? When did we start saying to the community, \u201CYou\u2019re responsible, because we don\u2019t prepare the health system properly, and you just figure it out.\u201D Because that\u2019s what it looks like through these cases here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EIf we look at what actually happened\u2014reading through the cases themselves is quite revealing, and there\u2019s a number of points, but I\u2019ve broken it down to two: first of all, the risk factors, and secondly, communication. In case A, the risk factors were very clear. The person was living alone and they were unvaccinated. So the risks start going up just by virtue of that, quite aside from any of their personal demographics, how old they were, what other pre-existing conditions they may have. That was risk enough, as is being pointed out in the case review.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThen, secondly, for me, it\u2019s the communication aspect. What didn\u2019t we learn from the KFC worker in South Auckland who could not be contacted? They didn\u2019t bother to turn and knock at the door. Three or four days later, as I recall, was when they were first contacted, and we\u2019ve revisited that same mistake. We have not been a learning enterprise during coronavirus.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EHere\u2019s what the findings from the case reviews are for case A around communication: there was a five-day delay in the COVID Healthline making the first attempt at phone contact. How can that be? Discharged home, sent home, and five days before Healthline makes contact. Then when that failed, case A\u2019s wh\u0101nau were not contacted. How can that be? Written contact\u2014and I\u2019ll come back to primary care\u2014with case A\u2019s last known GP was not made until many days later. Secondly, the information that was seeking to be collected was poor quality, it wasn\u2019t clear, it was inconsistent. We should have learnt from the outbreak last year many, many things that would have helped this time. Again, communication. If I look at case A, I pull out two things: risk factors and communication.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EIf I look at case B, there\u2019s two slightly different things here\u2014a little bit different. I need to acknowledge it\u2019s always hard when a person self-discharges against advice. That\u2019s challenging. They\u2019re making a call of their own autonomy, and it\u2019s against medical advice. That just raises the risks. It is what it is. That was the call. That raises the risks. It should have raised the response as well. But, in fact, what happened was the public health team weren\u2019t aware of the self-discharge status, and when they were sent home, they were sent home with a pulse oximeter, by all accounts, looking at the findings, with really not much health literacy around what that means.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EI think we need to be careful we don\u2019t overreach with pulse oximeters. They\u2019re just one measure, one tool to assess a person\u2019s status. For example, you\u2019ve got to think of it like a thermometer. If I take someone\u2019s temperature and they\u2019re a normal temperature, if they look sick, they\u2019re sick. I don\u2019t care what their thermometer is saying. So you\u2019ve got to weigh up a whole lot of other things, not just the oxygen sats or the pulse that the pulse oximeter is telling you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EIf I wanted to make it something more ubiquitous in the environment, I think of it like a peak flow meter. People will have more of a sense of that. Those people with asthma who blow get a peak respiratory flow rate through their peak flow meter. A pulse oximeter is just like that. It\u2019s just a measure. If the person\u2019s short of breath and they\u2019ve got other things going on with them, actually, that\u2019s the whole picture we need to be talking about. So I don\u2019t want to be distracted. This is not a hospital in the home. It\u2019s not ICU-lite. It\u2019s just one tool that needs to have a lot of health literacy around it to do a good job. I accept some of the overseas studies that have shown that it\u2019s important, and I think it probably is, but we\u2019ve got to wrap around the other education parts to make it really effective.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003ESo then what also happened was it failed to have primary care involved. So on 18\u00A0October, Allan Moffitt from ProCare goes to a meeting with the Northern Region Health Coordination Centre (NHRCC) and he\u2019s angry. He\u2019s angry because primary care haven\u2019t been involved, because what the system tried to do initially was say, \u201CNah, we\u2019re not going to involve primary care. What we\u2019ll actually do is we\u2019ll use the doctors in MIQ. The few that we\u2019ve got who are managing MIQ, they\u2019re going to be our response. They\u2019ll do the hospital at home.\u201D, and that failed miserably. GPs were telling them, \u201CThis will fail. If you don\u2019t involve us, what\u2019s going to happen is when you get overwhelmed, it will drop back on us. We will again be the safety net.\u201D Sure enough, that\u2019s what played out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003ESo Allan Moffitt goes to a meeting with NHRCC on 18 October, and he\u2019s ready to do \u201Cbattle\u201D with the system to say, \u201CWe have to be involved.\u201D Thankfully, when he got there, by all accounts, they\u2019d also figured it out\u2014\u201COh, we\u2019re going to have to have primary care involved. Yes, Allan, you\u2019re right. Let\u2019s sweep in behind ProCare. Let\u2019s bring others on board.\u201D Late again\u2014just as late as primary care has been to give the vaccine, like pharmacies have been late to give the vaccine.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EBig shout-out to pharmacies printing out the COVID passports, by the way. My goodness, we\u2019d be struggling if they weren\u2019t doing that for older people and laminating it. Shout-out to pharmacy. Thanks for doing that. That\u2019s really helpful. But, again, they\u2019ve been late to other parts of this response.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003ESo we need to get to the \u201CWhat next?\u201D What learnings are we going to take from this? What do we understand could be a better response than what has been? So we already said it was hopeless, it was late, it was underprepared\u2014yeah, yeah, yeah. So what are we going to do tomorrow? I must admit, some of the recommendations in the investigation are useful: the piloting of new models with M\u0101ori and Pasifika providers to provide holistic clinical social welfare and mental wellbeing support\u2014that\u2019s a good idea. I\u2019m a big fan of treating people in a culturally competent context. You get a better outcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EImmediate clinical assessment using information already available\u2014so this is going to be integration with primary care databases. What we\u2019re struggling on one level with Wh\u0101nau Ora and John Tamihere\u2014struggling with that. But one of the cases, it was very clear that the information was held in the primary care database. The discharge summary hadn\u2019t got out to the public health people, and that would have been extremely useful if it had.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EReduction of the time taken between a positive test and the first clinical assessment\u2014that must be another key performance indicator (KPI). As we\u2019re assessing the system, as we\u2019re assessing contact tracing\u2014that should be a KPI. Give it a number, something that people can be accountable for. From your positive test to the time you\u2019re first called for a clinical assessment it should be this, and then report it. Put it out in the public domain. Be transparent with it, so we can all hold ourselves accountable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThe launch of a hospital in the home initiative across all three DHBs for cases needing a lot of health support\u2014that\u2019s what we\u2019re talking about. Door knocking for those who are not able to be contacted, particularly those isolating alone. We should have learnt this from the KFC worker in South Auckland a year ago. This was exactly that situation. We did not learn. When they cannot be contacted a certain number of times, hop in the car and knock on the door, surely. The establishment of a Community Supported Isolation and Quarantine System clinical governance group with the purpose of identifying emerging risks and trends\u2014that\u2019s just appropriate self-monitoring.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EHere\u2019s one of my concerns: so this whole philosophy of hospital at home. On one level, it does have a place. But here\u2019s my concern\u2014because this is fundamentally what the business case for the whole health sector reforms are predicated on: keep people at home, don\u2019t send them to hospital, kick them out early, so you\u2019ve got an early discharge, and push them back into the community. Look at the business case. Look at the business case and the risks for the health sector reforms, and it is exactly this. My concern is this is what we\u2019re going to see, because this is how capable they are at managing health at home, this is how capable they are at managing hospitals at home, and this is what the business case\u2014have a look at the risks. It\u2019s really clear for both the M\u0101ori Health Authority and for Health New Zealand. This is where the money\u2019s going to be made. This is the big saving. Oh, and by the way, there\u2019s no mention of primary care or how exactly this is supposed to roll out. But that\u2019s where the cost-benefits lie in this keeping people at home. I\u2019d have to say, the track record from this Government in these two cases of doing that successfully gives me a sense of foreboding for the whole health sector reforms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022861a1798-a396-4a6c-b9e2-7d2f15d4a001\u0022\u003EThis has been a fail. Pick up the learnings. Do a better job. We\u2019re happy to help with that, but we need to do a better job. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u002286913c4c96d64e8db893951736d1475d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286913c4c96d64e8db893951736d1475d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time has come for me to leave the chair for the dinner break. I will resume the chair at 7 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u002203580d2c62a24d03a5e15321815f978c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203580d2c62a24d03a5e15321815f978c\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is resumed. Before the dinner break, we were in an urgent debate, and we\u2019re up to a Labour Party call\u2014five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022 data-id=\u002253e4bb956f7a49749228b3c996df57f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002253e4bb956f7a49749228b3c996df57f8\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I want to share my condolences with the families of the two men whose deaths were investigated as part of the report that we are currently debating tonight. If I reflect upon the families of patients who have passed away, who I have worked with, I think about the universal sense that I picked up from those families: that they want to see lessons learnt to understand what went wrong, if anything, for their family members, so that systems can improve. For that reason, I thank those families for being forthcoming with the investigations that were undertaken in relation to those two deaths so that we can find out how to better improve our systems, and in case these deaths could have been prevented.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s important to note that the review that we have seen published relates to a moment in time\u2014a specific moment in time\u2014when the community self-isolation and quarantine model was being rapidly scaled. As the results of the review say, many of the findings of it have already been implemented. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EI want to talk about a few areas\u2014those relating to process, equity, and information technology. It is clear that there were areas where either the processes were not followed or those processes were not suitable, and there are areas of gaps in communication\u2014communication that should have occurred and didn\u2019t. These certainly contributed to the care of both men and may have contributed to their outcomes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s worth noting that there are a variety of systems improvements under way. Notably, all patients being cared for in the model will be clinically assessed within 24 hours of their being diagnosed. There are scheduled health and welfare checks and clear information to be provided to patients. Underpinning all of this are clinical protocols including assessments and escalation pathways. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EI was surprised by the comments of Dr Reti, the last speaker in this debate. He described this system as \u201CICU-lite\u201D. That\u2019s surprising to me, having cared for people with infections in this country for a long time, because we know that the vast majority of influenza is treated in the community. The vast majority of pneumonias are treated in the community. Of course the COVID response involves standing up appropriate clinical care in the community. That is the only feasible way to really care for COVID at any scale. So I am surprised that Mr Reti seems to have a different view on this and that the idea that high quality care should be provided in the community isn\u2019t a goal he shares. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EWe need to think carefully about equity in the roll-out of these plans. The reason why equity matters is that most of our patients that we are caring for will be people who are unvaccinated. Increasingly, by definition, people who are unvaccinated have some type of barrier in accessing care\u2014whether that is their socio-economic status, cultural or language barriers, prior bad experiences in the health system, or lack of trust in the Government, even. Our challenge for our health services is that those who need us most now will be those that we have traditionally struggled to serve. That\u2019s why there are important improvements under way, including the involvement of M\u0101ori and Pacific providers to provide that manaaki\u2014that early wraparound support\u2014in the patient journey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EFinally, the reports document the decades of under-investment that have led to information technology problems that are widespread. I think anyone who works in our health system will not be surprised that things like primary care data are not available to specialist or other services. I\u2019m proud that this Government has worked to remediate those things through historic investments in our health information technology systems. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EWe honour those who have died from COVID-19 by learning from their deaths. I am pleased for the opportunity to debate this report. I thank the member from ACT for initiating this debate so that we can have the opportunity to cast light on these findings. The lessons are at the heart of the community-care model that Minister Little has now implemented. It is with these lessons in mind that we go forward and make sure that New Zealanders can have confidence that we can care for them, should they have COVID in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022 data-id=\u00221343637c18764b9ebe083ca696321e36\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221343637c18764b9ebe083ca696321e36\u0022\u003ESIMON WATTS (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to speak on the independent review into the deaths of two people who tested positive with COVID-19 who were self-isolating, and I wish to acknowledge the ACT member for bringing this urgent debate to this House. I also want to acknowledge the two gentlemen, one 60 years old and one 50 years old, from Glen Eden and Mount Eden, who died on 3 November and 5 November. I want to acknowledge their family, their wh\u0101nau, and their friends. These were tragic deaths, and that is acknowledged in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge the independent committee that has prepared this report, in particular Dr Jonathan Christiansen, the chief medical officer from Waitemat\u0101 District Health Board, and Dr Penny Andrew\u2014both individuals that I have worked with closely when I was at that district health board, both individuals who I hold in very high regard and are respected within their sector. I also want to acknowledge Selah Hart, who has contributed as part of that committee as well\u2014her contribution in terms of M\u0101ori health and progress within that sector is to be acknowledged\u2014and Norma Lane, who previously was a member of the executive with St John Ambulance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThe report indicated four recommendations, and I think we\u2019ve heard in the House today what they are, but the need for earlier assessment of clinical safety, welfare, and mental health was one of the significant findings. The finding in regards to better connectivity between the parts of the system and particularly around the clinical oversight was also a factor that played into the sad outcome that we were dealing with here, and the heightened focus around equity and cultural safety, particularly for M\u0101ori and Pasifika. Lastly, I think the important recommendation was around the need for strong clinical governance and adequate reporting systems and the need for that to be very agile in terms of the pace at which it operates. These deaths, as the committee and the panel have found\u2014both deaths\u2014were potentially preventable and there were missed opportunities contributing to that outcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThe accountability for the system failures falls squarely with the Minister and this Government. The lack of preparedness in regards to COVID-19 has been highlighted by the findings recently in the last couple of weeks by Sir Brian Roche. The lack of planning in the response has been indicated\u2014the Government had adequate time to prepare for this eventuality\u2014and the lack of engagement with primary care, which I think has been raised, and particularly by Dr Shane Reti. Primary care, which sits at the heart of delivery of healthcare services within our communities; primary care, who were left outside for too long before being engaged.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge the St John Ambulance crews who responded to at least one of the victims, according to media reports, and just acknowledge the challenges and difficulties which those individuals face day to day as first responders, in responding to what are difficult clinical challenges, and the role which they do, and for all the officers that are out there right now protecting and keeping our community safe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThe Deputy Prime Minister noted after the sad passing of these two individuals that at the time he remained confident in the self-isolation system. The Director-General of Health, Dr Ashley Bloomfield, was quoted just after, saying that the home isolation system was working well overall. It is clear\u2014crystal clear\u2014from this independent review that the findings of the review show that the reality of the situation of systematic failures is very different from what has been quoted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI also want to just acknowledge some of the comments that the Minister of Health made this evening\u2014acknowledgment that, actually, part of this failure is due to the poor delivery of prior Governments. In a quote: \u201Csometimes you \u2026 don\u2019t catch up fast enough.\u201D was the type of feedback that we\u2019ve had from a Minister. What this shows very clearly is a Minister who is not willing to take responsibility, a Minister who is not willing to accept the accountability of his office, and, as a result, the system has failed two Kiwis.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThe lesson here from these findings is that we need to and must do better. We must protect those most vulnerable within our communities, and this Government, this House, must take every action necessary in order to protect those individuals and take accountability for those actions, as and when they are required. Mr Speaker, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022 data-id=\u00222253b93e34514d47a04f068e838ca51c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222253b93e34514d47a04f068e838ca51c\u0022\u003EHon AUPITO WILLIAM SIO (Associate Minister of Health (Pacific Peoples)):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker, for this opportunity. I want to acknowledge the contributions made by people across the House on this particular matter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the ACT Party for raising this debate on a matter that\u2019s quite painful, particularly when we acknowledge that two people have died, which has been part of this report. I want to convey, on behalf of this side of the House, our sincere condolences to the men who are tabled in this report who died in the month of November. No amount of rhetoric in this House will bring back the lives of the loved ones belonging to those extended families in Auckland. I think perhaps what we can look at is that by acknowledging the mistakes that the system has made\u2014and all of us have a part to play in that\u2014and looking at how we can improve the health system, that\u2019s the kind of legacy that I\u2019m hopeful will remove the pain that the wh\u0101nau of the two men referred to in this report feel. Condolences to them for their loss. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s also important to acknowledge the staff of our health system, both the Northern Regional Health Coordination Centre across the Auckland region and everybody that has been working at the grassroots level. Most of us in this House have no idea of the kind of effort that has gone in from last year, which was a very different scene, to this year, which, again, is very different from last year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EAs painful as it is for everybody concerned, I want to acknowledge and thank the members of the independent panels who have been part of this report and those who volunteered to give feedback to the independent members. It would not have been easy, but here\u2019s the thing, ladies and gentlemen: our health system is one where we do not blame our people, because we need to adopt this no-blame system so that people working in the health system are able to feel confident in coming forward and in acknowledging the faults and the flaws of a system, and it is our task as politicians to make sure that we pick up on the recommendations\u2014every single one of those recommendations\u2014and improve on it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003ESo to those who are part of the health system in Auckland, but I know also those throughout the whole country in the health system stand in solidarity, I am one of many of our Ministers who sit in, day in, day out, and hear the day-to-day reports from our health workers. There are times when I\u2019m upset with the way things are flowing, but, by and large, in the health system we\u2019ve got people who are dedicated to giving their all for the sake of our community. Why? Because this Government laid down a strong foundation when we became the Government that we\u2019d prioritise lives and we\u2019d prioritise livelihoods, and I think, as challenging as it has been for our health system, that has been their mandate and that has been what everybody has been working towards. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EIn trying to draw a line and in looking forward in an attempt to acknowledge that there were faults and mistakes that have been made but acknowledging how we do better than this going forward, I want to acknowledge those who have spoken in support and acknowledgment of the inequities that our communities face, particularly the challenges of M\u0101ori, Pasifika, and people with disabilities, because when somebody who gets infected with COVID\u2014as we\u2019ve seen with both case A and case B\u2014it\u2019s not just COVID that we\u2019re dealing with; it\u2019s other long-term conditions that that side of the House knew about and that we on this side of the House have always known about. That\u2019s why we\u2019re talking equity. Never before in the nine years of the previous Government has there been a discussion about equity. For the first time ever, we\u2019re talking about equity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003ESo it\u2019s not just COVID. COVID has highlighted long-term conditions which make M\u0101ori, which make Pasifika, and which make people with other physical disabilities more vulnerable than other members of our society. Diabetes, rheumatic fever, heart diseases, high blood pressure\u2014these are the things that are being highlighted as a consequence of COVID. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003ESo, in many ways, let\u2019s learn from this. You know, if you look at case A, I acknowledge, as painful as it is, that the initial phone call was prompt, as the report says, but the clinical background wasn\u2019t made available to the caller. The risks weren\u2019t fully assessed. The template itself wasn\u2019t fit for purpose. There was a delay in the clinical assessment by a registered health person. There was no follow-up when the patient didn\u2019t answer the phone. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EWhat that highlighted also was the fact that last year, what we saw when people were infected was that it was a totally different group of people. This year, since August, over 9,000 people have been infected, largely M\u0101ori and Pasifika. At the moment, our numbers stand at 45 percent for M\u0101ori, about 30 percent for Pasifika, 20 percent or so for P\u0101keh\u0101, and for Asian communities, the highest vaccinated group, they\u2019ve been relatively safeguarded because of the vaccination. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EIn case B, the person discharged himself against medical advice. The COVID Healthline weren\u2019t aware of his clinical condition. The public health team were unaware of the circumstances of the self-discharge. The oximeter machine was provided with training, but the patient still had difficulty using it. That\u2019s normal, and I suppose what that also highlighted was that within our health system, you have a number of factors and a number of streams of work that are separated. The left hand often doesn\u2019t know what the right is doing. What we are trying to do as a Government is to get more collaboration and more line of sight across. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge our health providers\u2014M\u0101ori, Pasifika, and our general health providers\u2014right across the motu. It\u2019s been relentless, this year. If we thought last year was unrelenting, this year has been relentless for them. It\u2019s gone on two years now that our health workers have been on the ground having to face all of this, and I just want to acknowledge and thank them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EThe p\u016Btea that this Government has provided to our health system and, more particularly, to our M\u0101ori and Pasifika health and disability providers\u2014they have said that never before has there been an investment of this kind. In the pilot that is taking place with the Fono Trust and South Seas Healthcare in Auckland, they are providing this holistic, whole of care, end-to-end support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EFace to face is important. What we\u2019re recognising since August is that the cohort that has now been infected, largely\u2014M\u0101ori, Pasifika, and others\u2014are the ones that we do need to pay attention to, and we need to understand that they speak different languages. We need to understand that the holistic approach means that we\u2019ve got to involve their wh\u0101nau into this, and, more importantly, you see that the report also says that there has been year in, year out of under-investment into the system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EWe need to get our system in place so that we\u2019re sharing that information across the motu so that people on the ground are able to save lives, and that\u2019s what this Government is about. It is about trying to do the best under the circumstances. The whole world is grappling with this, but, suffice to say, despite the high number of infections and despite the relative number of deaths, if you compare that to what\u2019s happening in Fiji, in Papua New Guinea, in Australia, in the US, and in Europe, our system has helped keep us safe thus far. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003EIn the new environment that we\u2019re now in with the COVID-19 Protection Framework, there is a lot more work that we have to do to get confidence to our communities to be prepared for home isolation. We need to engage and provide education and workshops, and that\u2019s a whole new year coming up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b398827c-6bf5-403e-90dc-ff03205302a5\u0022\u003ENext year is going to be different from this year. I say to all our providers: take a well-earned break. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022a0145c3caf364244bb52276464eaa47a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a0145c3caf364244bb52276464eaa47a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The time for this debate has expired. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EThe debate having concluded, the motion lapsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002279b37a997ee24fe8afcba29443bf0ad2\u0022\u003EResource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c5fc32481c204e5ea96c41cda646a559\u0022\u003EDischarge and Referral to Environment Committee\u2014Not Agreed\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022 data-id=\u00222199d630c01e4b77aee90410decaf515\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222199d630c01e4b77aee90410decaf515\u0022\u003EBROOKE VAN VELDEN (Deputy Leader\u2014ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Mr Speaker. Thank you. I move, That the order of the day for the second reading of the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill be discharged and that the bill be referred to the Environment Committee for further consideration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229d5aa87b48a149f891a5f479c850bd71\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 20\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10; ACT New Zealand 10.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 98\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 65; New Zealand National 33.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002226daa6d031be4640b16f19e0f9cea299\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022 data-id=\u00220e92ba59506340afb5cea551aa112a29\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220e92ba59506340afb5cea551aa112a29\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I present a legislative statement on the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223db343f70fda4caca4787843490c06dd\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277b39a90ae00473aa31507de2e6009da\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EJust before I go into the merits of this bill, I really can\u2019t ignore the attempt by the ACT Party to once again turn their back on their traditional viewpoint that the Resource Management Act (RMA) is part of the problem for the housing crisis. I find it incredible that they\u2019ve turned their back upon that long history of their party and instead backed the interests of the Epsom electorate of their leader, and I think the National Party has actually wedged the ACT Party on this particular issue, because, actually, the ACT Party have got absolutely no credibility when it comes to the Resource Management Act and housing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThis Government is committed to ensuring that we offer more choice to Kiwis so that they can have a warm, dry, safe place to call home. This is especially important for our younger generation, our low-income and most vulnerable populations\u2014disproportionately M\u0101ori\u2014and our elderly, who increasingly are struggling to find affordable places to live in our largest cities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe Government has worked across the Chamber with the National Party to develop this bill, and I believe it signals a stable and enduring policy for this very important aspect of housing policy. Now, there\u2019ll be a lot of disagreement over other areas of housing policy, and there\u2019s no grand accord being reached in respect of these issues. But in respect of this issue, across the two main parties of this Parliament representing the vast majority of the votes in this country, we now have agreement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThis bill allows for a greater supply of more affordable homes, predominantly three-storey townhouses and units. It will allow existing homeowners to renovate their properties more easily, it will better enable papa k\u0101inga, and provide more options for renters, and yet the ACT Party opposes it. This will better meet the diverse physical and social needs of our communities, and yet the ACT Party opposes it. As countless overseas examples show us, denser rather than sprawling urban areas are essential to well-functioning, livable cities\u2014up, not out\u2014and yet the ACT Party opposes it. People living closer to their workplaces and the services they need will be served by this bill. It enables land infrastructure and associated investment to be used more productively and efficiently, and yet the ACT Party opposes it. We know from the cost-benefit analysis attached to the report\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d79a181476e94258a538ab7985a2e494\u0022\u003ESimon Court\u003C/span\u003E: Six-year-old data\u2014six-year-old data.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e8744ebfa3142ef873ddd3bef6c940e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, you don\u2019t need to be a brain surgeon to know that infrastructure is more efficiently provided in a dense city than it is in a sprawling city, and the Infrastructure Commission nailed it when they came to the select committee and said that it is people being housed that cause infrastructure cost; not the shape of the city, predominantly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EWe know that this will not only reduce the encroachment of the city ever further outwards, protecting the natural environment and the productive horticultural land that we rely upon for food production. We also know that within city, it will free up land for shared spaces because we\u2019ll be using the other land more efficiently\u2014things like parks. It\u2019ll also enable lower-carbon lifestyles as it\u2019s easier for people to get to their jobs, to their businesses, and to essential community services, and yet the ACT Party opposes it\u2014and they\u2019re still carping on the other side as if their position is in one iota justifiable, which it is not. This is going to bring new housing in existing neighbourhoods. It\u2019ll help link people into their existing services and networks, and help them stay connected with their friends and family. It\u2019ll bring vibrancy and new economic opportunities as we regenerate our urban areas for more inclusive cities as we grow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EAt its core, the bill does two things. It accelerates the existing National Policy Statement (NPS) on Urban Development, and, secondly, and perhaps more importantly, it enhances the level of intensification that the NPS on Urban Development enjoins, and it also means that those opportunities will be spread across the city, including to Epsom, which is probably why the ACT Party opposes it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003ECan I thank the chair of the committee, the Hon Eugenie Sage, and all the members of the Environment Committee for their consideration of the bill. They did a lot of work. Can I acknowledge those that took the time to make a submission: 966 in writing; 183 by video conference. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe committee has proposed several constructive amendments to the bill, which I welcome, and this will help ensure that it meets the needs of people who live in these cities. The recommendations will be reflected in a Supplementary Order Paper that\u2019s already been provided to the select committee, and it\u2019s already been published on the Ministry for the Environment website. It\u2019s going through a final scrub at the Parliamentary Counsel Office before the formal version is tabled in the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI want to briefly outline the bill\u2019s key provisions and the changes that are proposed. An intensification streamlined planning process modelled on the streamlined planning process introduced by the previous National Government is being used to make it faster and easier for councils to implement the national policy statement on urban development and these new medium-density residential standards (MDRS). It sets a series of steps out, and this process will require the 14 councils who, collectively, are the tier 1 urban areas\u2014these are Auckland, Greater Hamilton, Tauranga, Wellington, and Christchurch\u2014and it\u2019ll bring forward the existing NPS on Urban Development by a year. It\u2019ll also apply to tier 2 councils experiencing housing supply issues, and we\u2019re expecting some of them, because there\u2019s a lot of councils that really like this\u2014they\u2019re going to be lining up, saying, \u201CPick us as well.\u201D, because they want to do the right thing by their people, even though the ACT Party opposes it. They acknowledge the acute housing need in their areas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EIn addition, the committee has recommended that tier 3 councils can also request the Minister for the Environment to involve themselves. Also, the committee recommends that before the Minister for the Environment makes that decision, he\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022145d87e5c25944cb88d0178fa1bbe2d5\u0022\u003ESimon Court\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s you\u2014it\u2019s you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d699d0c731842b9a5a77a7ed4755847\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right\u2014it\u2019s me at the moment. It won\u2019t always be me, you\u2019ll be pleased to know. The committee has recommended consultation with the Minister for M\u0101ori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003ETier 1 councils and any others that are included will have up until August 2022 to notify their intensification planning instruments. There are then processes set out in the bill that say that after notification, the proposed plan changes go to an independent hearing panel, which is appointed to hear public submissions on the council\u2019s planning instrument, and then make recommendations back to the councils. Where there are disputes\u2014[Member\u2019s cellphone makes \u201Cboing, boing\u201D sound]\u2014they\u2019re settled by the Minister for the Environment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230127d0bef3547038a220324f21d1140\u0022\u003ESimon Court\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right\u2014that\u2019s what it sounds like when it hits the wall. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200b31c85b89e4421bc32c1baa0038c88\u0022\u003EHon DAVID PARKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think that was another commentary on the ACT Party, actually.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EHaving considered the submissions, the committee made some other recommendations. They\u2019ve recommended that we broaden the scope of the streamlined planning process that\u2019s being used so that they can make consequential changes that are complementary to the MDRS and the NPS urban de-intensification policies. They want us to clarify that existing plan provisions which are not inconsistent with the bill will continue to have effect. They make it clear that only specified standards in the new medium-density residential standard will have immediate effect, and other rules like updating financial contributions will be subject to some further consultation requirements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EIn respect of the main other changes: as to the standards, populations of less than 5,000 people are being excluded, so the likes of Akaroa and other small townships and offshore islands aren\u2019t included because they\u2019re not as appropriate for this intensification. Also, there were submissions on some more standards, with one for glazing: a minimum of 20 percent will be required for street frontage of the dwellings. It has to be glazed to improve street safety and appearance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EA minimum of 20 percent of the site will be needed to be planted or grassed\u2014this will also encourage existing trees to be protected\u2014and the outdoor spaces can be grouped so that units can group their outdoor spaces to create a shared, larger outdoor space. There\u2019s a slight change to front setbacks: they\u2019re reduced so as to leave more land at the back, where most of the shared space or individual space will be, and the height to boundary is recommended to be changed. At four metres at the boundary, with a 60-degree recession plane, it, effectively, means that for every metre in, you go 2 metres up. That results in a net loss of intensification of only 4 percent, but it has a better outcome in respect of shading or sun. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EThe building height and coverage standards remain unchanged. There\u2019s a recommendation from the committee that we include schools so that they can take advantage of these provisions without occupying all of their fields.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f5d71749-ae91-4af7-b2bd-77260398912a\u0022\u003EI recommend this bill to the House and I look forward to hearing other contributions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022b04eae5ce622427a96c5bafb1432928d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b04eae5ce622427a96c5bafb1432928d\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022e06bf699b5334c85b681102c4b1d32fb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e06bf699b5334c85b681102c4b1d32fb\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (Deputy Leader\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E National continues to support this bill. We do so because, quite simply, this bill will do more to enable desperately needed new houses in this country than any other policy initiative initiated by this Labour-led Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EWe note, on our side of the House, that the bill that we will pass in this House must be very much improved from the legislation that was brought to the select committee, and we acknowledge the select committee process, which has brought about recommendations for more than 50 pages of amendments to improve this bill. I\u2019m going to discuss those improvements in this contribution, but before I do so, I want to take the minds of the members in this House back to 2017, and I want you to recall the debates that were had then about what was termed at the time by one Jacinda Ardern as a housing crisis. I recall those debates, because I remember Bill English saying that, actually, until we addressed the restrictive land-use regulation that has burdened this country for so long\u2014until we addressed that\u2014we would continue to prevent housing supply. At that time, while National was putting forward ideas for reform of the Resource Management Act (RMA) that we now debate in this House today, it was Jacinda Ardern who said, \u201CNo, no. The solution is 100,000 KiwiBuild homes.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EWell, here we are, four years later, and the 100,000 KiwiBuild homes never eventuated, nor will they ever. Then there was the promise to tax overseas speculators, and that didn\u2019t solve the housing crisis, either. Then we\u2019ve had the punitive measures against landlords to change the ring-fencing of losses, to change interest deductibility rules, and to extend brightline tests, and that hasn\u2019t helped, either. So we are the National Party and we have come to help, and this bill is a result of our desire to help this Government make the underlying reforms which are required to enable housing supply.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003ELet me turn to the select committee process because that has been, I think, an exemplar of how Parliament can work together to make legislation better. We had hundreds of submissions from experts, from local authorities, from residents\u2019 associations\u2014from people impacted by this bill. We gave those submissions detailed consideration. The select committee considering this bill has meet for more than 56 hours, and we have done so because we want this legislation to work as well as possible. I want to thank the submitters, whose observations and whose expertise will make sure that this bill can be much more enduring into the future. Their thoughts and their concerns have been addressed in a number of amendments which are in the Supplementary Order Paper that the Minister has discussed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EAt its heart, this bill will support the supply of new dwellings. It creates greater rights to build for those with sections in our major urban areas and it will reduce the red tape, the cost, and the complexity that is too often associated with the resource consent process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EThere are some key areas that have been changed as a result of our deliberations. This first is around design standards. We had many submitters come to the committee and say, \u201CYes to more housing, yes to more density in our urban areas, but let\u2019s do it well.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EAcross the committee, I think there was widespread agreement that we can do density well and we should do density well, and in order to service that goal, the committee are recommending some key changes: the introduction of landscaping requirements so that 20 percent of a section must be landscaped with new development, the introduction of glazing requirements so that houses facing the street have to have some windows, amending the proposed standards around outlook and outdoor living space requirements to enhance the livability and amenity of this denser housing, and\u2014critically\u2014a reduction in height in relation to boundary of new dwellings from what had been proposed in the original bill at 6 metres down to 4 metres. That is a pragmatic decision by the committee to make that recommendation. It recognises those who had concern about loss of sunlight and loss of amenity, but it does so in a way that will still allow more dwellings to be added much more easily than they can be today. I note also in relation to design standards that the Ministry for the Environment and the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development have said that they will immediately begin developing a national medium-density design guide in consultation with local government and stakeholders to ensure that as we build more housing in our urban centres, we do so well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EThe second area that the select committee focused on was ensuring that councils have the discretion to exclude those areas which are not suited to density of the sort proposed in the medium-density residential zone. Now, this is achieved in the bill via what are termed qualifying matters. These qualifying matters are really important for giving councils flexibility to manage development in certain areas where density may not be a good idea. So it\u2019s for matters of national importance such as the natural character of the coastal environment, wetlands, lakes, and rivers, protection of outstanding natural features, landscapes, and historic heritage, management of significant risks from natural hazards, the requirement for the safe and efficient operation of infrastructure, and scope to identify other qualifying matters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EIn the select committee process some submitters queried whether or not these qualifying matters would be able to be used in practice because of the information requirements required and the effort and resources needed. So what the amendments the committee has recommended propose is that councils don\u2019t need to provide significant additional evidence to justify inclusion of specified qualifying matters. Instead, they can use that evaluation information that has been created through previous planning processes. I think that that is a critical clarification to have made. So, in practice, that would mean that where, for example, a council has previously identified a ponding area or an identified flood-flow path, then they can take the evidence of that and say, \u201CThat\u2019s why we\u2019re not having density here.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EA third issue that the select committee has addressed is around infrastructure, and I want to start by saying something really simple on this\u2014because it has gone over the heads of some\u2014which is this: the actual increased demand for infrastructure results from population increase. Nothing in this bill in and of itself will mean population increase. What this bill will potentially do is shift the pattern of development and the number of dwellings. In fact, in an ideal world, what this bill could result in is less overcrowded houses and more dwellings, which wouldn\u2019t actually increase infrastructure demand. But we have added some additional provisions. One is to allow councils to amend their district-wide planning provisions for things like stormwater management, fencing, earthworks, and infrastructure, and allowing them to use those district-wide provisions to set standards for those matters and allowing local councils to recalibrate how they use financial contribution tools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EFinally, another critical area of study for the select committee was around the transitional provisions for private plan changes that are being facilitated in order to allow greenfields development. Now, here in the National Party, we believe there is still a huge amount of scope in New Zealand for greenfields housing development. We say yes to density. We also say yes to greenfields development. So it has been important to us that this bill not stall private plan changes that are under way, and, in fact, it was the intent of the majority of the committee that at best, this bill could actually accelerate those sorts of plan changes. So there have been changes to the transitional provisions in this bill to clarify that that is the case, and we note that some plan change applicants may, in fact, see this bill as an opportunity to increase the number of dwellings within their proposal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003EThis is a bill which will make a difference, not just next year or the year after; this is a bill that will allow for more responsive housing supply in New Zealand for generations to come. It is appropriate that the select committee have studied the details carefully and have made a number of very thoughtful amendments. National is proud to support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u0022c33c3169a26544d78011770d089408be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c33c3169a26544d78011770d089408be\u0022\u003ERACHEL BROOKING (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m delighted to be speaking on the second reading of the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. As we\u2019ve heard from the previous speakers, we do have a housing shortage in New Zealand and in our bigger cities, and the best place to put people is in centres close to jobs. However, very often those centres close to the jobs are zoned for a single house, and this bill will change that in many different places.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EBefore going into that, though, I want to thank the chair of the committee, the Hon Eugenie Sage. She is a Green Party member, and we\u2019re talking a lot about a bipartisan accord here from across the House, and that is with Labour and National. Not everything that has been agreed to by National and Labour is agreed to by the Greens, and you see that in the report from the select committee, but I really want to thank her for her incredible and constructive chairing in getting us through what was a lot of work in a very short time frame. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EAs you\u2019ve heard, we\u2019ve heard from a lot of submitters. We heard from them on a Saturday. We had 183 oral submissions and almost 32 hours of hearings. As we\u2019ve been hearing, this is bipartisan, but the members in the committee\u2014I must admit to perhaps being the most vocal\u2014have asked a lot of questions of advisers and of submitters because we really did want to do our best to bring back as good a bill as we possibly could. So we had 24 hours of private consideration within the select committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003ESo what this bill does\u2014and I think it\u2019s important. Often in the media, we\u2019re talking about this really in relation to those medium-density residential standards that will apply to residential zones in these tier 1 cities, and we\u2019ve heard from the previous speaker about what they do and some suggested changes to those. But what it also does is it increases the speed at which the National Policy Statement on Urban Development (NPS-UD) will be implemented for these councils. That is a very important urban planning tool because it really allows for a lot of densification intensification around those centre areas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EHow it does this, and this is something that we worked a lot on in the select committee, is that there\u2019s an intensification planning instrument\u2014an IPI\u2014and this instrument is what the councils will develop to implement both the NPS-UD and also the medium-density residential standards. The NPS-UD won\u2019t always apply to a residential zone, but where it does apply to a residential zone, then the medium-density residential standards will be the underlying density zoning, and we\u2019ve improved that link in our recommendations throughout the select committee report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve also improved the link to the plans that already exist and the different planning provisions that might relate to things that we\u2019re calling related provisions\u2014the things like fences and earthworks and hazards. As the previous speaker, Nicola Willis, also said, there are a lot of qualifying matters that can be brought across from plans as well. So there\u2019ll be a lot of clarification in the Supplementary Order Paper that Minister Parker referred to, and that is now available online.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EWe also extended that IPI to including provision for papa k\u0101inga provisions, and already in the bill as introduced was the financial contributions aspect of that. In the select committee as well, as the previous speaker just said, we were working very hard on the transitional provisions because we heard from a lot of councils and developers that the way the bill was introduced might actually set back some good work that\u2019s being done to allow more intensification. We didn\u2019t want to do that, so there are lots of amendments around those transitional provisions. Another change is to that definition of \u201Cresidential zone\u201D so that it\u2019s not going to apply to offshore islands or small townships like Oxford or Akaroa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThis bill\u2014often people say it\u2019s going to lead to slum housing. Issues of the quality of a building are in the Building Act and the building code, not in the Resource Management Act, so I want to say that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EI look forward to the committee stage of this bill. Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u00222242b7f900234e40992b1c8c1586ede8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222242b7f900234e40992b1c8c1586ede8\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to take a call in the second reading of the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. I want to endorse the previous speakers on both sides of the House so far in this debate for their informed and articulate contributions to this second reading debate, because this is something of significance in terms of a bipartisan approach to solving the housing dilemma that has been confronting our country now for far too many years and, if we are not careful as parliamentarians, it will continue to confront us and future generations for years to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003ESo, on this side of the House, we are supporting this legislation because, simply, this is, effectively, National Party policy and it\u2019s the sort of thing that we have campaigned on now for several elections. Indeed, as we go through this second reading, it\u2019s worth recalling and considering what the select committee heard, and the submission that was made by a lot of submitters was that the primary problem has been red tape and a confused, expensive, and convoluted Resource Management Act process that has made the ability to intensify housing in our urban centres extremely difficult. It\u2019s made it expensive and time-consuming, and so, largely, the result of that has been that any development that has occurred has been, essentially, the preserve of the large professional developers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EWhat this bill seeks to do is actually unlock the potential for intensification literally in people\u2019s backyards, and that\u2019s a good thing. It\u2019s good because what it means is that for property owners, they are going to be able to release the capital asset and equity in their property, and in terms of intensifying and building maybe a granny flat or a further dwelling on the backyard of their property, this legislation is going to make that doable. It\u2019s going to make it easier, it\u2019s going to make it quicker, and they\u2019re going to be able to reap the rewards of that investment equity returned to them while, at the same time, increasing the density of dwellings in our major urban centres.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EWe heard a number of submitters who provided us with terrific examples of quality, intensive, domestic housing developments in other cities around the world. In fact, some of the most famous and livable cities in the world have exactly the type of dwelling that this bill envisages being built in our tier 1 council areas, and some tier 2 ones if they want it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EThe legislation will even provide for other councils, if they want to make application, to participate in the mechanisms that this legislation provides as well. That too is a good thing, because what this bill is all about is\u2014the key is in the name\u2014enabling houses to be built: enabling housing supply and other matters. So the other matters include qualifying matters\u2014the sorts of things that councils and residents in the leafy suburbs want to protect. They want to protect the amenity value. They want to protect historic areas within the area that provide character, and those things are important. So this piece of legislation provides that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EWe heard from a very large number of submitters in a short period of time, and they included some 966 submissions\u2014so, nearly a thousand\u2014and more than a thousand documents presented to the select committee in a short period of time. We spent a lot of hours on Zoom meetings and sometimes, as the deputy chair of the Environment Committee said, even on a Saturday. But that was because we wanted to hear from each and every submitter that wanted to participate, and I want to join with the deputy chair of the committee in congratulating the chair of the committee, the Hon Eugenie Sage, for the manner and style that she chaired this committee with. Now, it\u2019s not often that you\u2019ll hear me praising a Green Party member in this Chamber, but I have to say that she did an outstanding job under sometimes quite time-constrained challenges. She did a very, very good job, and so I give her credit for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EGiving property owners the right to build is a fundamental National Party principle, because we on this side of the House believe in private property rights, and it\u2019s been fascinating to see some parties that we thought believed in private property rights actually dancing on the head of a pin and trying to find every possible reason not to support this legislation. It\u2019s been a very edifying, eye-opening example of, I guess, parish pump politics at its not necessarily best, and others will probably speak about that. Certainly, commentators have noticed the academic gymnastics being performed by one party in this House as they try to justify their position in opposition to building houses and to solving and providing enduring cross-party legislation that will give certainty not only to property owners but to councils, to developers, and to the people who are building and investing in infrastructure around our urban centres. They need to know that the two major parties in this Parliament support and back this legislation, and that gives them certainty. It gives them certainty of investment, certainty of planning, and certainty around the future of what they want to do on their property, in their neighbourhood, in their towns, and in their cities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003ESo, on this side of the House, we wanted to thank the submitters, who provided an enormous range of quality submissions, very well-thought-out and very well presented. The bill has come back from select committee as a significantly improved piece of legislation to the one that was debated in this House at first reading, and that\u2019s how it should work in this Parliament. So, on this side of the House, we support the second reading, and we will do so through to the third reading. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022 data-id=\u002247d2677831cb4a84868fe03ca210b663\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247d2677831cb4a84868fe03ca210b663\u0022\u003ET\u0100MATI COFFEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Speaker, thank you for the call. This has been a labour of love, actually, working on Saturdays and listening to submitters present. I echo the thoughts of everybody else here who\u2019s talked about the depth of experience that came forward in those submissions. Yes, this is a truncated process, and, yes, this is a quick time frame, but, actually, the people who really care about this space, they fronted up. They wanted some time in front of the committee and we gave them their time and we asked them questions, and we made sure that we took all of those recommendations and we put it into this report. So I\u2019m proud to stand here and talk about this report and the various measures that we\u2019ve taken as a committee to make sure that we\u2019re navigating through a really decent piece of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EM\u0101ori are at the sharp end of the housing insecurity spectrum, and it\u2019s for this reason and with that lens that I\u2019ve participated in this. I look to my own hometown of Rotorua and I see the complete housing supply that we don\u2019t have, the real need to be able to build more houses, and the real need to be able to also build in an appropriate cultural way too. I want to expand on that just a little bit, because our planning laws here in New Zealand, they\u2019re like everything else that was built in this country: they\u2019re from a very colonial paradigm. If we look back to how M\u0101ori used to live, actually it was many to a section. That was called a papa k\u0101inga, and, actually, we saw less and less of those in all of the big State housing projects that have been built in the past. It was one family, one home. But that was, indeed, a time and place back in New Zealand\u2019s history where we thought a little bit differently. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to think that we\u2019re a little bit more educated and a little bit more intelligent now, and what this bill does is it actually opens up the opportunity for multigenerational living. That\u2019s what this does, and I use my own example. Back home, I live upstairs; I\u2019ve got my mum and dad living downstairs. Our son gets to hang out with his nan and his koro regularly. On a daily basis, he gets to go and check in with them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EI\u2019m a big fan of intergenerational living in the same space. When I go back home and I talk to our wh\u0101nau M\u0101ori and they say, \u201CWe need more houses. How can we make sure that I\u2019ve got my nan and my koro living with me and my moko over here who needs a house as well. How do we make sure that we do that on our land?\u201D What this bill is going to do is it\u2019s going to open it up for those wh\u0101nau that are in our tier 1 councils\u2014so our big cities\u2014all around the country, but it\u2019s also opening the door to some tier 2 and tier 3 councils that choose to go through the process as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EWe had a really strong submission from the Rotorua Lakes Council, who sat next to the Te Arawa Lakes Trust, who sat next to Te Tatau o Te Arawa partnership board, and together they said, \u201CWe are facing such an acute housing shortage in this city that, yes, we really, really want to be included in these changes. This is going to be great for big cities but it\u2019s also going to be great for our city too because we know what the sharp end of the housing insecurity spectrum looks like. We know what homelessness looks like. We\u2019re rich in land, but we need a bit of help with the planning laws to be able to enable housing that is culturally appropriate and able to have wh\u0101nau living in the same space.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not going to talk too long on this. Suffice to say that we did put a lot of effort into this, and I want to again echo the bipartisan nature of doing this. It\u2019s a problem for the whole country. Housing is still the number one issue\u2014housing and COVID-19. But housing is still one of those top issues that we face as a country all around Aotearoa. So this bill can\u2019t come too soon, and for that reason I absolutely commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022 data-id=\u0022f0b0133ee8344dcfa4f1b630c3fd75c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f0b0133ee8344dcfa4f1b630c3fd75c1\u0022\u003EHon EUGENIE SAGE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. Thank you. I\u2019m pleased to speak on the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. The provisions in this bill will influence what sorts of homes people live in and the shape, texture, and pattern of urban neighbourhoods for decades. It\u2019s a very important bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThe Green Party is supporting the bill because we strongly support intensification of housing development and urban renewal. It can help us tackle our housing crisis. It can avoid urban sprawl and the loss of productive growing land. It can help reduce transport emissions and protect the climate. So the question is not whether to intensify; it\u2019s how to do it well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThere was wide support for the intent of the bill in submissions, for that intention of improving housing choice and affordability and encouraging intensification in our cities to ensure that everyone has a warm, dry place to call home. There\u2019s also widespread recognition in the submissions that we need to shift away from the single-housing typology to a much more diverse mix of housing types: apartments, terrace houses, flats, and several-storey units. But there were significant concerns with the medium-density residential standards and the way the bill cuts across the efforts of councils to implement the National Policy Statement on Urban Development. So I\u2019d like to talk about some of the improvements through what was a very constructive and collaborative select committee process\u2014and I thank members for their kind comments\u2014and also highlight some areas where the Green Party thinks further changes are needed and where we will be tabling our Supplementary Order Papers at the committee stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003ESo, first of all, some comments about the whole process. It\u2019s very challenging to compress a normal six-month process for a bill into six weeks, especially with T\u0101maki-makau-rau in the middle of an alert level 3 lockdown. Fast law is much less likely to be good law, because of the reduced time for the public to consider it, to consider any unanticipated consequences and any implementation issues. There\u2019s been no consideration here, for example, on who will benefit from the uplift in land values that goes with increased development rights, and this was why we supported the ACT motion to remit the bill back to the select committee to allow further time to consider it. It was troubling that there was no prior engagement with local authorities, iwi and hap\u016B, and stakeholders before the bill was introduced. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThe regulatory impact statement was finished in May 2021, but there was seemingly a cone of silence around the bill. I don\u2019t know whether that was driven by Ministers or by agencies, but where you fail to have engagement with key stakeholders, there\u2019s often poor problem definition and a limited range of potential responses. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThe Green Party\u2019s got a really strong commitment to local democracy and appropriate decision-making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EWe need a much more active and engaged partnership between central government and local government, and iwi and hap\u016B in terms of the way our cities and towns develop, the way infrastructure develops, the investment in that, and public transport\u2014all these things that shape our urban environments. That partnership between central government and local government was missing from the bill, and it is the poorer for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003ECouncils presented their submissions very professionally, but I did detect quite considerable frustration about the lack of consultation and about how their knowledge and expertise about their communities and their places had not been recognised in the drafting of the bill, and their concerns too about the way in which allowing pepper-pot infill development right across virtually all residential zones in our largest cities cut across their work to actively implement the National Policy Statement on Urban Development. We had councils involved in Future Proof Waikato\u2014Hamilton City Council, Tainui, Waip\u0101 and Waikato district councils\u2014all saying that they\u2019ve been really working with central government agencies like Waka Kotahi to plan future transport development, and this bill just sliced across that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EDespite having only three weeks to make submissions, I, like others, acknowledge the huge expertise and effort that councils, the urban design community, iwi, community organisations, individual renters, residents\u2019 associations, and many others went to to make more than a thousand submissions, and there were 183 that appeared before us in hearings. Public submissions and select committee consideration always improves legislation, and it certainly did with this bill. But, despite that, the bill still has gaps. There are still potentially implementation issues, and because it has these medium-density residential standards, and these are the sort of detail that one would expect normally in the national planning standards or in regulations\u2014the national environmental standards\u2014the Green Party recommends that new Schedule 3A be taken out of the bill and gazetted as regulations so that if there are issues that arise, they can be more easily amended than primary legislation can through this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EThe bill should be welcomed by those who consider that existing plan policies and rules prevent innovation in housing form and the construction of more intensive flats, units, terraced houses, and apartments. It will succeed if it leads to more of those sorts of housing options, which provide a good daily living environment for their inhabitants, are close to public transport routes, are close to services such as shops and schools, and make our suburbs more interesting places to live. It will fail if its permissive approach to infill development blights neighbourhoods with poorly designed apartments and units which provide their inhabitants with cramped living spaces and damp living conditions, overwhelm their neighbours, and replace trees with expanses of concrete. Housing developers can design and build houses faster; it\u2019ll be the question of whether, with no need for a resource consent, they do that and focus on maximising their commercial return, or they respect residents and neighbourhoods and provide really good quality buildings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003ESo the Green Party acknowledges the many changes that have been made through select committee, and other speakers have noted those\u2014the increase in outdoor space, the increase in outlook, the requirement that buildings interact more with the street through the requirement for 20 percent of the frontage to be windows\u2014but we are doing urban density with urgency, with the bill being passed, potentially, before Christmas. We are not doing anything to protect nature in our cities with any urgency. There has already been wholesale loss of urban trees in centres like Auckland, continuing with the loss of a century-old p\u014Dhutukawa just last week in Khyber Pass. This bill does nothing to protect urban trees. We have a 20 percent site being required to be landscaped in grass or plants. The Green Party would like to see that increased to 35 percent to provide a stronger incentive to retain urban trees, because all suburbs should be leafy suburbs and should have the benefits that trees provide in terms of shade, reducing the urban heat island effect, taking up stormwater and helping reduce peak stormwater flows, and improving air quality and buffering from noise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EWe also need some other changes to the density standards. This bill is all about allowing infill development of three buildings of up to three stories as a permitted activity with no need for a resource consent right across residential zones. But, as someone who emailed me yesterday said, there are several thousand lots in Grey Lynn, for example, where some hope this bill will have some impact: \u201CAlmost all those sections are long skinny rectangles, exactly 40 feet or 12.2 metres wide. They are not suitable for three-storey development lot by lot.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EWe need incentives in this bill to encourage developers to amalgamate single lots so that we can have larger-scale perimeter block development which allows areas to be set aside for green space, which has the buildings interacting much more with the street, and which provides the high quality of urban density that we see in many cities in Europe. But the bill doesn\u2019t provide the standards to encourage developers to amalgamate the lots to do that, and the Green Party has a Supplementary Order Paper that will do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e122e0e6-61c6-4d17-9a79-6ad2ac7d127e\u0022\u003EOne of the other major issues is in relation to private plan changes. Yes, the medium-density residential standards will apply as an underlying zoning, but we believe there needs to be a requirement for an upzoning to be of this medium density so that we don\u2019t get the cookie cutter, single-storey suburban sprawl that we\u2019re seeing in Christchurch, in areas like Prebbleton, Lincoln, and Rolleston, with those private plan changes that don\u2019t promote more dense living. So that is a major failing in the bill and one, again, that we would like to see National and Labour consider in our SOP. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022 data-id=\u00226617f0862deb4ca6bde7a6f5d14c71d0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226617f0862deb4ca6bde7a6f5d14c71d0\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s true that there is a problem with housing, and ACT is pleased to see that it\u2019s acknowledged it is a supply issue. We need to get this right. There is a problem with housing affordability. It\u2019s an intergenerational issue of fairness, opportunity, and overall welfare of people who cannot afford to buy a home. But this bill won\u2019t solve these problems. As Minister Parker described when he spoke on the second reading, what he didn\u2019t realise is that it\u2019s actually possible to have better planning laws and still oppose this bill, which does nothing to improve planning laws and actually get more houses built.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EWe believe a bipartisan approach to solving issues is not a bad thing. But it would have been helpful, hearing that there was a regulatory impact statement back in May, to have actually taken that to the people who build houses and who develop land, and to the local government people, who could tell you about all the faults that they brought to the select committee and told us about over five days\u2014in an awfully compressed period\u2014when many of those people were working under level 3 lockdown conditions at homes with children at home and trying to manage businesses under those awful lockdown conditions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ENow, submitters were able to laser in on the problems with this bill, because they are glaringly obvious to practitioners and people who actually develop and build homes. They pointed out that poorly crafted deals hatched in secret between political rivals which lead to rushed law changes may have missed something, particularly when they\u2019re brought to the House and pushed through under urgency. That is not the kind of lawmaking which is enduring and will actually fix housing supply.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ECouncils and developers actually pointed to issues like a lack of infrastructure that allows them to intensify in existing town centres close to the community services, where we understand more people should be living because that\u2019s where it\u2019s good to live. But the infrastructure is missing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EHamilton, that relatively young city\u2014a city of the future, even\u2014actually lacks capacity for infrastructure in the older parts of the city, where they want to build up, but are severely constrained. They estimated $4 billion just to meet the intensification requirements for the existing National Policy Statement on Urban Development. But this Government has given them $320 million through the Housing Acceleration Fund. That\u2019s less than a tenth of what they need to actually deliver the homes that could be built right now in Hamilton, so the Government appears to have its priorities wrong. That\u2019s why ACT believes we actually need to reform infrastructure funding and financing in order to unlock land for housing. That is something we\u2019ve campaigned on for years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EThe submitters who came to the Environment Committee told us the same thing over and over again. We heard examples. We heard a Grey Lynn artist, of all people, bring up infrastructure in Grey Lynn as the reason why more homes couldn\u2019t be built. She pointed to a project to separate hundred-year-old sewerage and stormwater as the reason why you couldn\u2019t build more houses in Grey Lynn. That project\u2019s 10 years overdue, and everybody who lives there knows you can\u2019t swim anywhere around there because of the sewage overflows. So zoning to add thousands more potential homes is a complete waste of time, and it\u2019s terrible for the environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EWe heard a developer tell us that if they want to put up the first five houses in the street and there\u2019s a pipe big enough, they can connect, and all they pay is the standard development contribution. The guy who comes along with the next five is told \u201CSorry, there\u2019s no more capacity. But if you upgrade the entire network in the street and maybe a bit further, and you spend a couple of million bucks doing it, we\u2019ll let you build your five houses.\u201D Well, guess how much that adds to the cost of a new dwelling? In some cases\u2014not $85,000, like Auckland Council is asking for\u2014hundreds of thousands of dollars.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EDevelopers pointed out that their master plans already allow for mixed-use, higher-density apartments and terraces with an average density of around 40 homes per hectare. That\u2019s very, very high by international standards. This bill means years of infrastructure planning and environmental and geotechnical investigations goes in the bin, because, by applying the medium-density residential standard to those developments, all of their infrastructure design, all of their planning, and all of their environmental discharge modelling goes in the bin and they can\u2019t use it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EHamish Anderson, from Adare group\u2014he\u2019s a guy who\u2019s in charge of a 7,000 home development at Peacocke in the east of Hamilton. He estimated that this bill will delay, even if they go ahead and redesign, do all that stuff that this bill will allow them to do\u2014and I see members opposite who sat on the committee with me shaking their heads, still in denial. Hamish Anderson said that this bill, through redesign, would cause a delay of 36 months and add up to $4 million for a development that\u2019s literally months away from proceeding. Nigel McKenna, from the Templeton Group, formerly Todd Property, with $8 billion worth of projects in the pipeline, and Bill Loutit, from the Beachlands South consortium\u2014which actually includes the Government\u2019s own New Zealand Superannuation Fund as a major funder\u2014told us exactly the same thing. Delay, delay; cost, cost\u2014houses won\u2019t be built any faster. In fact, this bill risks extinguishing development projects altogether.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EThe other thing they told us was that this bill appears to have been designed by planners for planners in central government, because the developers\u2014all they want is access to fast-tracking, the same so-called privileges that the Government is according itself and these tier 1 councils, but these exclude private developers. They\u2019ll be stuck with the existing Resource Management Act (RMA) processes, which can take years to progress plan changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EThey also pointed out something that is so perverse and confounding I had to ask a number of them to please repeat it, and that was that there\u2019ll still be an RMA process that they have to go through. They\u2019re going to have to go through two planning processes. Auckland Council said they\u2019re going to have to set up a whole new department to run this new planning process in parallel to the RMA process they still have to go through. If Minister Parker thinks that supporting this bill will actually get more houses built and reduce red tape, well, unfortunately, Mr Parker, that\u2019s not what\u2019s going to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ENow, ACT asked the committee for more time to consider submissions and work to improve the bill. We want to make planning laws better so we can get more houses built. The National Party and the Labour Party voted down our motion. ACT asked the committee to please write to the Business Committee and seek to have infrastructure funding added to the bill and have the bill expanded to become and omnibus bill, but both the National Party and the Labour Party voted down ACT\u2019s motion. Today, ACT proposed a motion to send the bill back to select committee for a full hearing because we do want to work to reduce red tape to get the bill right. The Government and the National Party voted that down, but we do appreciate the support from the Green Party for this proposal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s clear that in this bill and the amendments, the urban design features are being negotiated away between the Government and the National Party. We know this because we can read about it almost hour by hour in the mainstream media, as the horse-trading about whether it is 6 metres or 5 metres or 4 metres in height to boundary, and all of these things are literally being negotiated in the media. Now, that\u2019s not how good laws are made in a democracy. That\u2019s not how enduring laws are made which actually solve really complex problems. As a civil engineer who came to Parliament to solve difficult problems, to find ways to change laws to get things built faster, to deliver infrastructure more affordably, and to reduce barriers to get stuff built, I was shocked. I am shocked. So were the submitters, so were the people who do want to get more stuff built\u2014they were shocked. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ENow, ACT has proposed a number of policies over the years, and it turns out many of the submitters to committee agree with us. We had Urban Auckland propose 50 percent GST sharing between central government and councils. We heard that\u2014the Infrastructure Commission\u2014private sector investment in the form of public-private partnerships would be very, very helpful to get more large-scale infrastructure built to free up the capacity for more housing. We heard that fast-tracked planning and consenting processes should be available not just to councils and Government departments like K\u0101inga Ora but to the private sector too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EACT opposes this bill in its current form, but we do want to work to improve it. That\u2019s our offer. Parliament needs to deliver a better\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u00228fab1f8f86964b7193de42cc1c31cd97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228fab1f8f86964b7193de42cc1c31cd97\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s time has expired. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022 data-id=\u0022ae8bdb8f880b4b309e6ac59c8a9e5627\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ae8bdb8f880b4b309e6ac59c8a9e5627\u0022\u003ETANGI UTIKERE (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E Kia orana, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m delighted to take a call. Even though there\u2019s still a chance that the ACT Party could see some reason and an opportunity to cut some red tape, it seems as though that\u2019s not going to be the case this evening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EI want to add to the chorus of thanks that has already been expressed by members of the House this evening, particularly to my colleagues on the Environment Committee for the bipartisanship approach to what is obviously a significant issue. But I also want to commend our chair, the Hon Eugenie Sage, who I think actually exudes much patience and fairness to all\u2014even Mr Court as a member of the committee. Where perhaps others may have terminated the leeway a little bit earlier than our chair did, she certainly indicated some patience there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EBut I also want to acknowledge the staff, because while members this evening have identified that we have spent some time dealing with this particular bill, I know that the staff from the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development, from the Ministry for the Environment, from Parliamentary Counsel Office, and also our select committee secretariat, alongside others, have spent more time than we have around this issue. So I want to acknowledge their significant contribution and support as well, alongside the submissions that we received from many, many people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EThis bill will enable an increase in medium-density housing, and I\u2019m pleased, actually, that it will provide an increase in that particular space, but more so in the area of affordability and variety in suburbs, particularly in our main urban areas. The select committee did consider a number of factors and made a number of recommendations, and I\u2019m delighted to hear from the Minister this evening that he welcomes the hard work but also those suggestions as well. When I look at the medium-density residential standards and what they will provide, yes, they provide an opportunity in this bill to apply to tier 1 councils in our large urban areas but also to tier 2 councils and tier 3 councils if the Minister, upon application, is satisfied that there is an acute housing need. Obviously, there\u2019s a process that needs to go alongside that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003ESo when I step back and think of the work that the select committee have done and look at what is in the report and in the bill and what is to come, this really is an enabling piece of legislation because it does cut red tape but it also will provide opportunities for many individuals and wh\u0101nau in circumstances where currently they are constrained by restrictive council planning rules and approaches. These changes do not disadvantage councils who are already in a process that is seeking to modify, in a good way, medium-density, so having no disadvantage in that particular sphere or area is really important as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EFinally, I want to touch on the urban design aspects, particularly around the minimum requirements for outdoor space. We\u2019ve heard this evening that the select committee is recommending a minimum area for ground units of 20 square metres, but what I think is really helpful is the suggestion from the select committee that, actually, in some areas it is appropriate to have a communal approach to that, and to ensure that there is an opportunity for good urban design and form but also place-making, livability, and vitality so that people can actually come together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003ESo this does speed up the introduction of intensification policies as a result of the National Policy Statement on Urban Development, and that\u2019s a good thing. On that basis, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022ec6aec4576c74c3a9a66f2f12897cf5e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ec6aec4576c74c3a9a66f2f12897cf5e\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022142eb63ba8564124875764190803c220\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022142eb63ba8564124875764190803c220\u0022\u003EHon GERRY BROWNLEE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I never thought I\u2019d come to the House and hear the ACT Party passionately pleading for more rules to be inflicted on people in New Zealand. I\u2019ve normally got quite a bit of time for Mr Court. I think he\u2019s a very intelligent man who makes great contributions. But, man, oh man, where did that speech come from? Here we have a bill that is going to allow a whole lot more flexibility for people who want to use some of their surplus land or use a section that might be cleared for that purpose to create more houses for New Zealanders who desperately need them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003ELook, I\u2019ve heard all the talk from a lot of people who have said to me, \u201CWell, what about all these boxes that have been built in Christchurch?\u201D I\u2019ve got to say to Eugenie Sage, go and have a look at the rules inflicted on the city by the regional council, because that\u2019s what\u2019s being built at the moment under the current rules. We have a city council there, of course, that has had its head in the sand literally for decades, not wanting to create more space for people to develop sections, and I think it\u2019s got to a point after four years of absolute neglect from the Labour Party that we\u2019ve had to come to this situation. So while there is certainly a bipartisan aspect to this bill, no one should think that it\u2019s a willing party on all sides coming to the table. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m very pleased that Nicola Willis has been able to negotiate some very reasonable changes in this bill. I understand a 50-point Supplementary Order Paper is coming that will make a difference to boundary offsets, will make a difference to height, will make a difference to the outdoor living space, and will encourage a better sort of garden-type arrangement inside these areas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve got to say, just on that score, in our city of Christchurch, we\u2019ve got a council-owned organisation called Orion who run around the city with more chainsaws than you can shake a stick at, although why you\u2019d ever shake a stick in front of a chainsaw is beyond me. They\u2019re cutting down trees left, right, and centre for fear that the powerlines are going to get affected. So we\u2019ve got a whole lot of things that go on from councils that just indicate a general level of incompetence and a general level of eye off the ball.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EEarlier in the debate, the Hon David Parker made the extraordinary statement that the brightline test has done a wonderful job in containing house prices in this country. Well, let\u2019s have a look at it. In the last 12 months, the average house price in New Zealand\u2019s gone up by $150,000. So if someone in here, or anywhere in New Zealand, bought a house 12 months ago and sold it today, there\u2019s $150,000 over and above the price they paid 12 months ago. They pay out their brightline tax and walk away with $100,000 profit. It\u2019s great business, if you can get it, and the fact of the matter is that that is tax chasing a price.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EThen you look at the tax content inside a brand new house. For a start, if it\u2019s $700,000, there\u2019s about $120,000 worth of GST and there\u2019s profit tax on every input that goes into that house, as well as the PAYE for everyone who puts the thing together, so the Government does exceptionally well out of these things. It\u2019s a massive tax take. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EThen look at new subdivisions. Now, Mr Court spoke of the difficulty for one developer that\u2019s out there and some of the extraordinary prices they have to pay to the council for the privilege of providing a rating base to the council by virtue of new titles. You look at it: the costs from local government inside that new house price is extraordinary. Add up that and the Government stuff, and it is a massive, massive part of that $700,000 to $800,000 average price, now, for a brand new, three-bedroom home somewhere in New Zealand, and not a home that might have been built in the 1970s, 1960s, 1950s, or before, on a much smaller site and in a much denser arrangement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003ESo what we have to recognise is that there is massive demand out there for new housing. New housing chases the price of existing housing, and unless there are these sorts of moves made that get some of those nutty planners out of the way and get councils starting to focus on what some of their core business should be, then it is absolutely essential that the Parliament takes a strong view on it. It won\u2019t please everybody\u2014I know that\u2014but in the end, young people in this country have a right to live somewhere and have a right to some home ownership, and this is one way that we can ensure that they have at least a chance at that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6d1f09f43cc4a20bc81b118646d72cf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6d1f09f43cc4a20bc81b118646d72cf\u0022\u003EDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader\u2014Te Paati M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou e te Whare. I rise to speak in support of the second reading of the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. When National can unite with Labour on one of the biggest challenges facing Aotearoa despite not having unity amongst themselves, it sends a very strong message that the housing crisis is something this Parliament is taking seriously. So I commend the intent of this bill, as one of the parts of the solution to housing supply, and the bipartisan nature that has come into its being. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EWe have seen analysis that suggests this bill leads up to 100,000 homes being built over the next eight years and prevents around $198 billion of wealth transfer to landlords and speculators, but we do have to ask what will this actually mean for the grassroots, for w\u2019\u0101nau on benefits, for those trying to break into the housing market, and those trying to become homeowners, because increasing housing supply is one thing, but who supplies that housing is another matter entirely. Without building more social and State houses, the best we can expect from this bill is to slow the increase in rents and lower the costs of homeownership by creating more competition for speculators and landlords. It will also make it easier for people to get into the private rental properties. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EIn other words, this is a capitalist solution to a problem that was caused by capitalism, and, as usual, it is the big property developers and landlords who are set to benefit the most from a crisis they created. It will do very little, if anything, to get more M\u0101ori into homeownership. So while Te Paati M\u0101ori are supporting this bill, we are supporting it as just one part of the solution. We are under no illusions that this falls far short of the holistic approach we need for housing in Aotearoa, especially for tangata w\u2019enua. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003ESince 1986, the number of M\u0101ori forced to rent has increased by 88.3 percent. Seventy percent of M\u0101ori can\u2019t afford homes and are living in rentals, one-third of M\u0101ori live in a house considered damp and/or overcrowded, M\u0101ori make up 50 percent of the waiting list for social housing, 30 percent of M\u0101ori pay rent that is over 30 percent of their weekly income, and 33 percent of M\u0101ori will shift residence every three years. At the same time, there were 191,646 unoccupied houses on census night 2018, and 38,000 of those ghost houses were in T\u0101maki-makau-rau. I have said this all before, the party has said this all before, and we\u2019ll keep on saying it until it sticks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EFor the majority of w\u2019\u0101nau, finding an affordable house to rent, let alone a house to own, is currently completely unattainable. So while we stand in support of this bill as one small part of the package, it does not address the income inequality and systemic racism that is locking M\u0101ori out of the housing market. What is being done to address the fact that P\u0101keh\u0101 have a net worth almost five times higher than M\u0101ori, while non-M\u0101ori have a 13 percent higher median wage; how does this help the 12,000 tangata w\u2019enua who are homeless in their own home; and how will it see more M\u0101ori owning their homes when homeownership for M\u0101ori is at 26 percent, compared with 41 percent for non-M\u0101ori?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EThe Crown needs to recognise the severe disadvantage that M\u0101ori face in the housing market and immediately introduce a M\u0101ori housing package that includes targeted financial support schemes to help with deposits such as the old M\u0101ori Affairs loans in the past. They also need to address supply through building social housing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard a lot of positive talk about this new partnership between Labour and National, and we\u2019d like to remind both parties that this is more of an affair than a monogamous relationship. The Crown already had a partner: it\u2019s called tangata w\u2019enua. All w\u2019\u0101nau have a right to a warm, leak-free, secure home. Every New Zealander knows there is a housing crisis. It is not just M\u0101ori who live in cars, garages, and under hedges. However, it is only when non-M\u0101ori also suffer in a housing crisis that the Government decides to do something.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EFor M\u0101ori, this housing crisis and all of the issues surrounding it is the most significant Treaty breach of today. It is time this Government treats it as such. This bill does not do that by any measure, but it will help renters with this done. Kia ora koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022 data-id=\u0022c62b5dee95d24ca9b753cd9b9bcfa1b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c62b5dee95d24ca9b753cd9b9bcfa1b9\u0022\u003EANAHILA KANONGATA\u2019A-SUISUIKI (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e te Mana Whakaw\u0101. It\u2019s an honour and a privilege to make a brief contribution to debate on the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill. I\u2019d like to acknowledge the leadership of the Minister for the Environment, the Hon David Parker, and the leadership of Nicola Willis, and I congratulate the member on her new role, because it is with that leadership that we arrive here today at the second reading of this bill. I also want to acknowledge the leadership of the Environment Committee chair, the Hon Eugenie Sage, and her wisdom and her intelligence and her patience to deal with some of the members in our select committee. Of course, I want to also acknowledge the leadership of the deputy chair, Rachel Brooking, in terms of her intelligence and insights that she brings into here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EWhen I joined the select committee, there were only two acronyms that I really understood. There was the AUP, which was the Auckland Unitary Plan, and the RMA, the Resource Management Act. I have been schooled and my brain is still exploding. The ISPP, or the intensification streamlined planning process, requires the intensive planning instrument, or the IPI, and the NPS-UD, or the National Policy Statement on Urban Development, and, of course, all those details we talked about in detail and the submitters submitted on them. One thing that I really like about what the select committee came out with is the new independent hearing panel, because the independent hearing panel must\u2014must\u2014have somebody on that panel who has knowledge of m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003ESo the other word that I learnt, the new acronym, is the medium-density residential standards. I live in tier 1 Auckland City, and I\u2019m honoured and I\u2019m privileged to be living in a place where the Auckland Unitary Plan has designated it from being a single-house zone in Onehunga. It used to be just one house, and now it houses 42 apartments: mixed owner-occupied, KiwiBuild, and renters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003ESo I want to acknowledge that. Before I get to that, I want to acknowledge the officials who have helped us and that have stayed up all night working on this, but I want to go into the submitters, in terms of the young people. The young people submitted and I think, if I themed the submissions by young people, there were three themes. They said that they support this bipartisan approach and that they have hope\u2014they have hope\u2014to one day own a home in New Zealand and to have solutions for climate change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EParticularly, I want to acknowledge Xuzong Chen. His submission was about allowing people to live near the places that they work. He also said that students and our younger generations need to have some hope for the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003EOscar Sims lives in tier 1 Auckland, like I do. What he said was that in terms of the AUP\u2014in terms of that, I spoke about how I\u2019m living in an apartment built from that plan. However, there are places in Auckland that are still the status quo. What this bill does will enable those places to remain the status quo, because Oscar Sims says that in Auckland, where I live, too little homes are built in parts of Auckland. That\u2019s because the Auckland Unitary Plan is busy building elsewhere like Papakura and like Onehunga, but there are places in Auckland Central that are still the status quo. This bill addresses that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003ELast but not least, we had a young submitter. His name is Mitchell Palmer. He\u2019s a student at Yale University, studying in Singapore. He\u2019s living overseas. He said that one day, he wishes to be able to buy an affordable home here, in his birth country. I commend this bill to the House. Malo. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022 data-id=\u002252a72d747d244ef8ad3820e141797068\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252a72d747d244ef8ad3820e141797068\u0022\u003ESIMON WATTS (National\u2014North Shore):\u003C/span\u003E Jeez, I must say, listening to the previous member, Anahila Kanongata\u2019a-Suisuiki, that I really do wish I was on the Environment Committee. It sounds like it was a remarkable place to be, and it\u2019s always good to hear a lot of passion and energy in the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI rise on behalf of National to speak on the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill at its second reading. National supports this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge\u2014and, as I said, I wasn\u2019t on the select committee, but what I\u2019ve heard from my colleagues is consistent\u2014that Eugenie Sage, as chair, was respectful and thoughtful throughout, and I think those were the two words that have resonated on this side of the House in terms of this. This was a challenging bill under the time line in which the committee was faced, and the way in which she conducted herself in that role was well appreciated from our team. I also want to acknowledge the Hon Scott Simpson and our deputy leader, Nicola Willis, for their contribution in terms of that process. It has not often, I must say, in my short time in this House that we have been part of a process that is bipartisan, and I think that that has been acknowledged by a number of speakers here already.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge, on behalf of our team, the officials at the Parliamentary Counsel Office for their significant contribution. It\u2019s referred to in the fact of the long hours that the select committee put into this, but I think it would be fair to say, as it often is the case with the officials that we have supporting us in our roles, that it probably would have been twice, if not three times, the amount of time that went on in the background in order to contribute to this bill, and that is appreciated as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThere was a significant number of amendments that have, obviously, been put in following that select committee process. As the member of Parliament for North Shore, I obviously had a large number of comments and feedback in regards to this bill after the first reading. I know a number of members from my community and many communities across Auckland contributed throughout that select committee process. I think what we have seen as a result of those amendments is the select committee process doing what it\u2019s meant to do, and that is to listen and take on board the feedback of our local communities and people from around the country: experts, iwi and hap\u016B, developers, and those in the commercial sector, and, of course, our local government. All of that feedback has been taken on board very diligently by the select committee and, as a result, we have got nearly 50 points of amendment that will be coming through on a Supplementary Order Paper at the committee of the whole House stage, which is good to hear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003ELook, I must say, looking at some of the feedback, there were significant concerns raised in terms of the short time frame, and we acknowledge that this was a reduced time frame from what we would normally expect in the select committee process, which probably prevented the usual scrutiny. But, as I\u2019ve said, the committee did work very hard on that. There were 183 oral submissions and 966 submissions overall, and over 1,000 documents of correspondence that was\u2014as was referred to\u2014from a number of community groups and individuals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge local government across our country in terms of their contribution to this process. Obviously, in my home city of Auckland, Auckland Council made two actual submissions as part of that process. I think their feedback was constructive and concise. It was absolutely, I know, from the committee\u2019s perspective, taken on board, and you can see a number of the amendments that have resulted follow on from that feedback process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThe key elements that have changed we\u2019ve talked about, but, primarily, we\u2019ve seen changes in regards to higher design standards. I think that was something that was quite significant in the submission made by Auckland Council, in particular. There are more concessions for councils in regards to qualifying matters, the protection or exclusion of already existing heritage zones\u2014which, obviously, is very important in my home electorate; particularly in Devonport\u2014environmental concerns, and other factors as well. The changes also amend in regards to height to boundary and the other elements that we\u2019ve talked around such as sunlight, etc. This also, I think, reflects that this is really trying to achieve a higher quality of outcome in terms of what we\u2019re doing, and, again, that reflects some of the feedback made by submitters and, in particular, Auckland Council. Lastly, around the district plan changes, that\u2019s the fourth element in which we\u2019ve seen some significant amendments within this bill, and it is something that will carry us forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EA significant proportion of the feedback that I had was from young people within my community of the North Shore. These are young people who are struggling to afford to buy their first home, they are struggling to find a home to rent, and they are hopeful in terms of being able to participate in the homeownership process, as have many generations before them, but the reality is that this is a significant challenge. It\u2019s a significant challenge that has faced our country for a period of time, and I think while there is no silver bullet in terms of solutions, the ability for both sides of this House to work together to put in place actions that will make and support this process and support the futures of our young people in particular is, I think, a good thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThere was a recent survey undertaken in terms of the New Zealand Issues Monitor in October. It referred to the fact that over half of Kiwis in this country rank housing affordability as the No. 1 issue that they face. Sixty percent of those people were women, and I think that also acknowledges the importance of this process and that it is the No. 1 issue for people who live in Auckland.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI think that is pretty much what I wanted to leave and cover off this evening. Again, thank you very much to the select committee for your contribution. I\u2019m looking forward to seeing this bill proceed through this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022 data-id=\u00228d1d2ca4a9ea4024afc2cf867e355976\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228d1d2ca4a9ea4024afc2cf867e355976\u0022\u003EANGIE WARREN-CLARK (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Look, it is a real pleasure to be the last speaker on this bill, the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003EWe did have a very busy select committee period, but I do want to add my voice to everyone who has spoken before me in regards to acknowledging the chairperson, the Hon Eugenie Sage, who was very diligent. I swear she read everything twice\u2014and with over 966 submissions, I think that\u2019s pretty amazing\u2014and she kept a very calm demeanour. It\u2019s quite an exhausting pace that we set, so I want to acknowledge the chairperson for her good work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003EI also want to recognise Nicola Willis, who during the sitting of the select committee was elected as deputy leader of the National Party. I want to acknowledge that you continued to do this work while also busily doing other things, obviously. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003EMy Ministers, both the Hon David Parker and the Hon Megan Woods\u2014I want to acknowledge them for their work together to bring this bill together. We know that there is a significant issue in this country. The homelessness issue and the housing crisis that we have has happened over generations. We know that each and every party that has come here today has probably had part of the responsibility of not solving that problem, and so that\u2019s why I\u2019m very delighted that today we have pretty much, pretty much\u2014almost\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022819907821de44f6fbe47adeaf7ea92ab\u0022\u003ETangi Utikere\u003C/span\u003E: Still a chance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdfee8fdfc0f4ebf9139ce0f069620fc\u0022\u003EANGIE WARREN-CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: Still a chance. Everyone is in agreement that this is something that needs to happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003EI spoke to my husband, actually, who is a builder. In part of when I was talking about the bill after the first reading, I explained to him what was going to be happening, and he said, \u201CBoy, that will absolutely shift things. It will absolutely shift things.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003EPapa k\u0101inga, it will enable the brownfields developments, and it will enable people to put that granny flat on the back of their house for their mum or dad or even their children, and some of these things are about solutions. The\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdebdc0e47c546b28a479f6297b60889\u0022\u003EKieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Well said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aeaf93c97f1144909e4d382568e7baf7\u0022\u003EANGIE WARREN-CLARK\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014way that we\u2014thank you\u2014particularly want to see things go is to ensure that there are people in houses and that there are people in communities that have good, warm, dry places. Therefore, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223b67f091c7d9442fa698dfc7487a27fd\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Resource Management (Enabling Housing Supply and Other Matters) Amendment Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 110\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 65; New Zealand National 33; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10; Te Paati M\u0101ori 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 10\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EACT New Zealand 10.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000693\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c54fd47c05ce478cb71584f6de606e92\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c54fd47c05ce478cb71584f6de606e92\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Births, Deaths, Marriages, and Relationships Registration Bill and the Sexual Violence Legislation Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229473786d23dc448c86463cb26106d163\u0022\u003EHansS_20211207_054270000#S#HansDeb_20211207_20211207_51#6801\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228cdd3a1835c241059936b6f7168811e6\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f4fe29e1ac134510af4964b8e90313dd\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022a40cdd76cc8d4d80aaddd2990a3f10f6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a40cdd76cc8d4d80aaddd2990a3f10f6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee on the Births, Deaths, Marriages, and Relationships Registration Bill and the Sexual Violence Legislation Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228252afab22bc4282bac5d7f05a235b73\u0022\u003EHansS_20211207_054285000#S#HansDeb_20211207_20211207_51#6800\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022703c5a3c74144ae39aee2824f6a862a1\u0022\u003EBirths, Deaths, Marriages, and Relationships Registration Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00226ca6350060d34fb9af25cc067599f1a4\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022055436770cb040a29320928d5621a10f\u0022\u003EParts 1 to 6, Schedules 1 to 3, and clauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022449f253e0c1c4ed7b44f198ddc9032e6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022449f253e0c1c4ed7b44f198ddc9032e6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: We come first to the Births, Deaths, Marriages, and Relationships Registration Bill. The question is that Part 1 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022 data-id=\u0022af0c0e7ebde548568d48dfc1fbdafd65\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022af0c0e7ebde548568d48dfc1fbdafd65\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY (Chief Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order. I seek leave for all parts to be taken as one debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022f5e11d92ae244485b0d4adbd85a38ff8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f5e11d92ae244485b0d4adbd85a38ff8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection? The question is that Parts 1 to 6, Schedules 1 to 3, and clauses 1 and 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Supplementary Order Paper 59, set out in Supplementary Order Paper 104, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u00224c9983337bc74d5cb3393c45d850609e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224c9983337bc74d5cb3393c45d850609e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments set out on Supplementary Order Paper 59, as amended, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EAmendments, as amended, agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EParts 1 to 6, Schedules 1 to 3, and clauses 1 and 2, as amended, agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EBill to be reported with amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fab505edd3f64fe19e7b38ac1d60162a\u0022\u003ESexual Violence Legislation Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00227d8fba04d36a4e12a0c01a0f7d801adf\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e443266abf0d47568a9ea7c0f0ed35f9\u0022\u003EPart 1  Amendments to Evidence Act 2006\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022 data-id=\u0022e58ab61f2262462c97ab184817ed4eda\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e58ab61f2262462c97ab184817ed4eda\u0022\u003EKIERAN McANULTY (Chief Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave for all parts to be taken as one debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022b635e3ca09734d31b88ef0c479e9fb8a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b635e3ca09734d31b88ef0c479e9fb8a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection. The question is that Part 1 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022beaa78ae9f6646ceac131fbad002097f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022beaa78ae9f6646ceac131fbad002097f\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Chair, thank you for the chance to speak to the Sexual Violence Legislation Bill. Can I acknowledge all parties in the House who have contributed to second reading speeches which, I think, on the whole, were very supportive of the thrust of this piece of legislation\u2014to make the experience of those who have experienced sexual violence, or allegedly experienced, to have a much better experience of the court process in order to ensure that we don\u2019t retraumatise victims as part of that court process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThis piece of legislation has come about by two reviews by the Law Commission in 2015, and one undertaken and delivered back under my predecessor, the Hon Andrew Little in 2019. My recollection of the second reading debate, again, was relatively overwhelming support for most of the components of this piece of legislation. But some debate and concern around fair trial rights around two clauses within the piece of legislation\u2014around clause 8 and clause 14, I believe. Clause 8 is around the admissibility of evidence about a complainant\u2019s sex life, and a higher threshold in which evidence can be brought into the court process\u2014about the particulars of a complainant\u2019s sexual experience with someone who is a defendant, or parties who might be a defendant, other than to state or claim of fact that there has been sexual experience between the complainant and defendant or defendants. There has been some concern around that from the legal fraternity and from Opposition parties around the obligations under the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act around fair trial rights. I would point out\u2014because they obviously made, at the second reading stage, a plea for a change of policy within this piece of legislation\u2014we do believe that the bill as it stands does protect the rights of defendants, and gives judges the discretion in cases where further information or further evidence may need to be gleaned about particular instances between the complainant and a defendant. That can be done to ensure that a fair trial is heard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThe other clause in Part 1 that was cause for debate was around clause 14 and the ability for claimants or propensity witnesses to be able to give evidence by means other than appearing in the court physically itself. This isn\u2019t necessarily something new, but under this piece of legislation, again, based on work undertaken by the Law Commission, it would be a right for complainants and propensity witnesses to give evidence by way of video or other technology prior to the trial occurring. Again, some concern around that, around fair trial rights. I would also point out, again, that we believe that the legislation as it stands, and aspects of the current regime, enable the judiciary to have discretion about, for example, the ability to call a witness again for cross-examination if the judge deems that fit. So that is why, and that\u2019s a rationale for not making any changes that are sought through the Opposition Supplementary Order Papers, or the requests in the second reading speeches, or the extensive lobbying and public campaigning by some in the legal fraternity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThe heart of this legislation is to ensure that we have safe environments in which people can feel they can come forward to make complaints, in order for complainants to feel that they are not retraumatised, and, in essence, to get to the point before they get to a court case to feel comfortable to come forward. Certainly, the feedback from both of those Law Commission reports is that there is an issue with the ability of people being confident to come forward to make complaints about sexual violence\u2014because of concern around what would happen in terms of retraumatisation in a court trial, because of concerns around what might happen in terms of questioning, for example.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EOn that, that\u2019s just an opening statement to kind of lay the foundation for what I\u2019m sure will be a number of questions around Part 1, around those contentious clauses. But, again, I would reiterate: I think, on the whole, most of the House agreed with the thrust of the components of this piece of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u002201a8bc59b3584947a49b99b0e0ffb9b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002201a8bc59b3584947a49b99b0e0ffb9b4\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair for the opportunity to say a few words and ask some questions of the Minister in the chair, Kris Faafoi. Obviously, I\u2019m very new to this portfolio following the arrival of a new leadership team here in the National Party, one that will, effectively, hold this Government to account and reflect the widespread frustration there is across the country over the general conduct of this Government in a whole host of areas. So we\u2019re very much looking forward to that discussion, and I\u2019m very much looking forward to our role in Opposition of opposing and proposing better justice policies for this country\u2014a country where, after a couple of decades of making great progress on reducing crime statistics and the victims of crime in this country, in the past few years most statistics have turned around in the wrong direction and are getting worse.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWe heard today in select committee that family violence has increased around 60 percent in the past five years, which is having a huge impact on people\u2019s lives. Sexual violence is obviously a component of that and something that we\u2019re focusing on in this legislation here today introduced into this Parliament. I don\u2019t think anybody, reasonably, looking from the outside would dispute the basic proposition that, overall, victims of sexual crimes have a hard row to hoe in terms of getting justice, because of, fundamentally, the difficulties of proving what went on in situations where it\u2019s not easy to prove. So there are many, many instances where justice is denied, and so I think there is a widespread desire to do what we can to reduce the retraumatisation of complainants, including victims of crime, and to make the process as effective as possible in attaining justice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EAs we always do in every element of the law, we recognise that there are two sides to this equation and being able to defend oneself against accusations is equally important, and the rule of law needs to be observed in all those ways. So it is, I think, disappointing to hear from the Minister that notwithstanding all the very many submissions and very serious issues raised by the New Zealand Law Society and the Auckland district council and many legal elements of the fraternity around elements of this bill, very little changes have ultimately been made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ll be laying out a couple of Supplementary Order Papers in the name of my colleague Chris Penk on a couple of issues that have been raised, and I thought I\u2019d start with the one around clause 8, which is in relation to the sexual experience or connection between the complainant and the defendant being relevant or discussed in the course of the hearing. I think, again, widespread concern about practices in the past, dredging up all manner of stories and accusations or implications against the complainant or even, potentially, the victim of the crime and getting into territory that is not relevant, and so the rules have been tightened over the years. This tightens it even more in relation to really reflecting at all on a prior relationship between the complainant and the defendant. So I\u2019d like the Minister to explain exactly how he is confident that what is being proposed here and not being changed at all will still ensure defendants have the ability to raise important and relevant issues in the case. I\u2019d like him to justify that a bit more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022805e9c41987742a0a7f98fc5c849a936\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022805e9c41987742a0a7f98fc5c849a936\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Can I begin by congratulating the member on his new role as justice spokesperson for the Opposition. I would point the member to page 10 of the bill under clause 8: new section 44A outlines a number of processes that a party who does wish to ask any further questions or ask for admissibility of any further evidence over and above the fact that there is a relationship or there has been a sexual relationship in the past which is black and white, a fact, can propose to do that via application to the judge, or the judge can direct for that if the judge believes that that\u2019s in the best interests of fair trial. I believe that does strike the right balance in order to get to the desired outcome of this piece of legislation to keep the victims safe from further retraumatisation of going through particular instances and in great detail, or a line or manner of questioning which may again retraumatise or revictimise the complainant, but also give the defendant\u2019s counsel the ability to further question if they believe it is in the interests of a fair trial.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00226b7c9a0853894a3885460707062cd580\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b7c9a0853894a3885460707062cd580\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Minister, for those comments, recognising, of course, that the stakes are very high for both the complainants and the defendants. Of course, being convicted of such a crime and sent to prison is a very serious matter for the person involved as well. So ensuring that everybody has their chance to raise issues is important. So the threshold now is much higher.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ESimilarly, the next question relates to new section 44 in relation to the\u2014sorry, I\u2019m just trying to find the jolly part\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d894869176a4ee2b4b41ce8ea092222\u0022\u003EHon Kris Faafoi\u003C/span\u003E: Page 8?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295cce76b281547138fea84dc4a472cf8\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. No\u2014no, I\u2019ve moved on from page 8 in terms of the pre-trial reporting. The issue raised, again, by a number of parties, is that under the current arrangements under the Evidence Act, the judge may direct evidence to be gathered in an alternative way, including cross-examination taking place prior to trial. A number of submitters highlighted a Court of Appeal judgment of 2011 detailing that rare and exceptional circumstances would make such a course of action appropriate. So this is allowing for rather than the complainant being in the full court on the stand during the trial, instead to do a pre-recorded interview, maybe even a year before it goes to trial. So that has been allowed under the current arrangements in very rare and exceptional circumstances. This bill would make that process an entitlement, effectively, rather than at the discretion of the judge. So it would make it much more common.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThat has real implications for the defendant\u2019s right to a fair trial, as protected by the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, particularly because the pre-trial recording offers no opportunity for the defendant to question a witness based on what happens during the trial, and what may happen subsequent to the recording. So a number of submitters\u2014serious submitters\u2014raised serious questions about that and the impact that it has on the fair trial process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ESo I suppose, again, I\u2019d like to hear from the Minister. The Minister rather glibly said at the beginning that \u201CYou know, well, we just introduced this bill. We heard all the submissions are deeply concerned about it, but fundamentally we\u2019re not changing anything and we think everything\u2019s fine.\u201D I\u2019d like a bit more meat on the sandwich from the Minister to explain exactly how he is so confident that defendants will have the ability to have their basic, basic opportunity to effectively cross-examine the complainant and have the ability to defend themselves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022f94c443d4cd441b5ac9ab489aacd442b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f94c443d4cd441b5ac9ab489aacd442b\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E If we think of the motivation for the piece of this legislation to try and assist victims of sexual violence, to not retraumatise them in the trial period, the ability for complainants or propensity witnesses to give evidence\u2014let\u2019s use the example that the member gave\u2014via video. It may be some time before the trial actually takes place. I guess the motivation for that is to ensure that the complainant or anyone else who is going to give evidence can do that at a period that is suitable to them and not something that would prolong the pain or the suffering of a defendant, because they may have to wait a year, as the member mentioned, between either giving that evidence and the trial actually occurring. So I guess the proposition within the piece of legislation meets that test.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThere were, obviously, concerns about any lag between the video evidence being gathered and the trial actually happening. I would note to the member that the defendant\u2019s counsel also get access to that evidence at the time that it is gathered. I note there is a Government Supplementary Order Paper on the table which gives the ability for the judge in a trial or overlooking the issue to put conditions on the access to that video evidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EBut I would also remind the member of the point that I made in my opening remarks, in terms of striking that balance between protecting victims within this legislation and the right to a fair trial. If the judge believes that the giving of evidence via video, whatever the circumstances may be, and the way that it is presented is not providing fair trial rights to the defendant, they can and they do have the discretion to have the ability to recall a defendant in order for cross-examination to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003ENow, obviously, I think if you\u2019re taking a victim-centric approach or view here, we would hope that that would be rare and reasonable, because of what we are hoping to achieve with this legislation. But in the interest of fair trial rights, there is the ability for the judge to do that. So that\u2019s why we believe the valve that\u2019s available to the judge in that case of that ilk will allow evidence to be garnered again from the defendant in order for the defendant to express his or her rights to a fair trial.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u002200a4cfd2a49242b3aebc66e2309544b0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002200a4cfd2a49242b3aebc66e2309544b0\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. It\u2019s a real pleasure to take a call in the committee stage of the Sexual Violence Legislation Bill. I want to acknowledge the Minister Hon Kris Faafoi in bringing this back into the House on the day that the Government launched Te Aorerekura: the national strategy for ending family violence and sexual violence within 25 years. I think that is a really significant piece of work. We know from survivors of sexual violence as well as their advocates that the right to an appropriate justice system is of real concern. This has been on the agenda for a very long time. Some of the provisions in this go back specifically to the taskforce for action, I think, from 2009 and what Simon Power, the then Minister of Justice, described as the best road map the country had had for ending sexual violence. This work is really long overdue and is not actually putting us in the advanced path of any country in the world. This is just catching us up with some other jurisdictions that we like to compare ourselves to, and just ensuring basic dignity in our court system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThere are a lot of provisions in this piece of legislation that are really important. The extending around communications assistance to those who may have trouble following the court processes. As a non-legal person myself, I have a lot of sympathy for that, let alone for people with learning disabilities for particular impairments that may make it that much harder. That is of benefit to every single person in our court process\u2014the defendant as well as the complainant. That is provided for in this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EProviding instances where the judge must intervene if they believe the questioning is inappropriate, misleading, or needlessly repetitive, because we\u2019ve got recent evidence of those behaviours happening unchecked in our courts and judges telling us that they\u2019re not intervening because they fear there being an appeal process based on their intervention. So we need to give judges that legal certainty to be able to stop those behaviours.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EAlso, around judicial direction to address rape myths if they haven\u2019t been addressed through the process in the trial. That was a non-exhaustive list but I commend the select committee for their work on adding to some of the rape myths that were identified: looking at the things around where the suggestions that the way somebody dressed meant they wanted to be raped; that they abdicated their right to consent by the way they dressed or the fact that they\u2019ve been flirting with somebody. We have recent analysis of a court case\u2014truly shocking\u2014where somebody had flirted with the defendant earlier in the evening and that was absolutely used to suggest that that person had consented to the rape, because they\u2019d flirted and sat on their knees\u2014clearly consent to having sex several hours later! In my world, those things don\u2019t flow on from each other. There\u2019s quite a few steps where you need to say yes or no along the way before you get to sex. And other examples around drinking and alcohol or drugs, and how that affects decision making. And it\u2019s really important that juries get that information about what is rape, because we know that there are a lot of myths in our society and that there\u2019s a lot of victim blaming, and that can lead to what I characterise and use inappropriately as miscarriages of justice, when juries make decisions based on myths, rather than an accurate understanding of the law and an understanding of what is rape.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003EThe controversial parts of this bill\u2014and I do want to follow up from the Hon Paul Goldsmith\u2019s questioning around prerecords and the fact that the Court of Appeal had said that it should only be rare or exceptional circumstances. I noticed the member Emily Henderson just coming into the House tonight and noticing that her academic work critiqued that ruling, when she was a research fellow at Auckland University, and noting that the Court of Appeal did not draw on the evidence of 20 years of prerecording for child witnesses in sexual violence cases in Western Australia that found that there was not an undermining of the right to a fair trial. In fact, it had strengthened the fair trial and good interrogation of evidence through that process, rather than undermining it. I would also point the member to the fact that the legislation around this point also\u2014[Time expired]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u00222a0789cb6630404ea75c4ea79909bb0c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a0789cb6630404ea75c4ea79909bb0c\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Just a quick contribution. First of all, can I acknowledge my two Green colleagues in the House tonight, the Hon Marama Davidson and Jan Logie\u2014obviously, on the day that we\u2019ve launched our national action plan on sexual violence and family violence. I want to acknowledge the work that both of those members have undertaken to get us to that point and congratulate them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EOne point that I wanted to raise, upon my re-reading of the Hansard from the second reading debate, was an assertion from Opposition members about who was either supportive or not supportive of this piece of legislation. I know the judiciary don\u2019t like to be dragged into debates in this House or into politics, but they were, in the second reading debate, from members to my left about whether or not they were supportive of this legislation. Now, I don\u2019t think they\u2019ve made a declaration about whether they\u2019re supportive of this legislation, but there was a Court of Appeal ruling in 2020 which made it very clear that the judiciary is more supportive of the use of the types of video evidence that we are looking at in this piece of legislation. In that ruling, the Court of Appeal judges said, \u201CWe see considerable merit in pre-recording the evidence of a vulnerable witness before trial. Not only does this provide a vulnerable witness with a more accommodating environment in which to give their evidence; it also provides counsel and the trial judge with an opportunity to take any remedial steps that may be required after the vulnerable witness gives his or her evidence.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge the argument that the Opposition is making, because I do think we need to make sure that we are addressing questions around fair trial rights, but I do believe the safeguards within this legislation actually offer that well and truly. There have been concerns in other jurisdictions across the Tasman, where similar concerns were raised ahead of regimes such as this being introduced, but time and evidence have suggested that the concerns that were raised pre these kinds of regimes being introduced haven\u2019t been borne out, because of safeguards like that which are a part of this legislation being there. So, again, respectful of the concern\u2014I think it\u2019s a valid one to have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThe other thing I do want to note was part of the contribution of Jan Logie, about some of the types of questioning. I\u2019ve had meetings with both sides of the ledger here, in terms of what does and what doesn\u2019t happen in some of these trials, and the types or manner in which questions are being asked. I think the reality is, and I\u2019m convinced, that they still do, and whether it is motivated to be intimidatory, it is for those who are answering the questions. So I think one of the components of this piece of legislation is that a judge has discretion not only to make judgments around the question but also the manner in which the questions are being asked. And I think, again, that is another component of this piece of legislation which has been well looked into by the Law Commission twice and which I think will, effectively, mean better justice is served. And I mean that by allowing a safe environment for victims or alleged victims of sexual violence to be able to have their day and their say in court against a defendant but also to ensure that those fair trial rights are protected as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u0022629736d77784417e9d6d1d93d3378ede\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022629736d77784417e9d6d1d93d3378ede\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Minister for the Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. I want to firstly congratulate Minister Faafoi for progressing this legislation through the House. I do actually acknowledge, genuinely, across the House that I believe we all want to see safer responses for victims and survivors of family violence and sexual violence, and I want to hold to that. I want to genuinely uphold that I truly believe that that is what representatives in this House want to see. I want to take us back, and the Minister, Hon Kris Faafoi, himself mentioned in the opening statements tonight that we go back to the purpose of what this legislation is trying to do: to make sure that we are addressing primary concerns here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EHon Kris Faafoi, for example, just talked about how we can make sure that we are preserving the principle of fair trial and that, in fact, there is international and other evidence to show that with the safeguards, the concerns of breaking the integrity of the principle of a fair trial have not been borne out. What I want to say and what we know is that the risks and the under-reporting of sexual violence and family violence has been borne out. That is very clear and has been in front of us for many, many decades. Right now we have, unfortunately, around 80 percent of violence and harm going unreported, but for sexual violence, it is in fact even higher, the vast majority\u2014around 94 percent of sexual violence goes unreported. This legislation is part of the essential and long overdue necessary steps that we all need to take to ensure that when victims and survivors want to truly see justice and accountability, that we are at least making changes in our legislative and court processes to give people more faith and trust that that is indeed what will happen: that we will deliver justice and accountability.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EMy colleague Jan Logie\u2014who for the Green Party has been our outstanding holder of this legislation, who has been our outstanding spokesperson\u2014also referred to the ongoing evidence and the evidence of our colleague here in the House, Emily Henderson, which has shown what has been borne out. We can hold that to our own high standards in this House about what the cause, what the principle\u2014what this legislation is trying to do; it is trying to improve and maintain the principle of a fair trial.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EOh my goodness, the time goes. I did want to draw on the voices of advocates, victim survivor advocates, and the sector. I particularly acknowledge Te Ohaakii a Hine\u2014National Network Ending Sexual Violence Together\u2014TOAH-NNEST\u2014for their sharp and critical analysis on what we all know was also challenged and continues to be challenged here in the House. I acknowledge Hon Kris Faafoi\u2019s approach in actually making sure that we do answer and debate those valid law and legal legislation challenges that are being raised. The very critical debate that I too want to uphold around the principles of a fair trial. The sector and victim survivor advocates have absolutely gone directly to those very debates as well and have asked, in fact, that where there are issues, where we do need to strengthen and make sure we are tightening up the principles of a fair trial, then we seek operational solutions to make sure, for example, in the\u2014I believe it\u2019s actually clauses 13 and 14, but also pages 13 and 14 in the Supplementary Order Paper that refer to the giving of evidence by family violence complainants and the giving of evidence by sexual case complainants or propensity witnesses, that the video evidence and alternative evidence options are a small but important part of how we want to improve safety for justice, including victims and survivors and complainants through our justice process, and that there are ways to seek solutions to uphold the important principle of a right to a fair trial. Thank you, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258baa209-edaf-42a5-92d6-b2613c144bfb\u0022 data-id=\u0022132bee3f4ce7473da6025053d30f7b18\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258baa209-edaf-42a5-92d6-b2613c144bfb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022132bee3f4ce7473da6025053d30f7b18\u0022\u003ENICOLE McKEE (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Minister, I commend you for the work that has been done on this bill. One of the things that the ACT Party are really focused on is making sure that victims are at the centre of our justice system. We have supported this bill through this process, the first reading and the second reading, and I must admit, Minister, when we got through the select committee and the recommendations that came back, we were actually considering not supporting it because we had similar concerns to our colleagues in the National Party. We\u2019re very pleased to see your Supplementary Order Paper 105, because it addresses those issues that we had. In saying that, I just want to let National know that their member\u2019s bill\u2014there\u2019s one of them that we will not be supporting purely because we believe it\u2019s already been addressed in the Government\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258baa209-edaf-42a5-92d6-b2613c144bfb\u0022\u003EBut, Minister, one of the concerns that we did have at the time\u2014and you actually have addressed it already when you\u2019ve stood and spoken\u2014is that while we want to put our victims at the centre of the justice system, of course, there was that balance that you talked about earlier where we had defendants possibly being the subject of some vexatious complaints. I believe that you have balanced that out and we congratulate you for that. Where my question comes is if we have a victim who has given video evidence before the trial and there is a need for that victim to be cross-examined later on, is there any support that\u2019s been put aside for those victims if they do have to come back within that system? Because while we\u2019re saying we do need to protect them, we also need to look after them to make sure that we don\u2019t give them an opportunity and then ultimately revictimise them in a way that enables a defendant to have the ability to be able to defend themselves as well. So it\u2019s about support for the victims if we\u2019re going to change the way that they give evidence. And I just wonder if there is anything there for those victims. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u002254c458d291d24deca1c6671f3e498124\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000752\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002254c458d291d24deca1c6671f3e498124\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Can I thank the member Nicole McKee on two fronts: obviously, for continuing support for the legislation; we do appreciate that. And also, I think it\u2019s a fair question to ask if a complainant is going to go through the process twice. They will still have the flexibility of arrangements that are available to them, either existing or that come through this piece of legislation. They will have the option of either giving their evidence or responding to questions which have to be set out via video recording. I think there\u2019s also the ability, if they are choosing to be physically in the courtroom at the time, to have a screen available as well so they don\u2019t see the defendant. And also they will still continue to have a court victims adviser available to them to be able to walk them through what will no doubt be\u2014unfortunately, they would have experienced some of it\u2014a foreign experience to them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003ESo again, I think the components of this legislation, the flexibility in this legislation, but also the safeguards will have a flow-on effect if someone were to have to experience the questioning twice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u0022a4c2ec98974247d8902d915fc2b3e4f6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a4c2ec98974247d8902d915fc2b3e4f6\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (National):\u003C/span\u003E Just want to reassure Marama Davidson, my colleague, that yes, indeed, we do all share a desire to ensure that justice is attained by victims of crime and particularly in this area of sexual violence. I don\u2019t think you\u2019ll find anybody in this Parliament or anybody in this country who doesn\u2019t agree with that broad proposition. What we also recognise is that we live in an imperfect world and that the stakes are high in this area for, obviously, victims of crime but also for defendants where things have been alleged that didn\u2019t happen, and that is the purpose of the trial. We wouldn\u2019t be having trials if there weren\u2019t those circumstances. So it\u2019s important that everybody has access to a fair trial and the right to defend themselves. That\u2019s what we are trying to tease out through this process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe other question, because, indeed, the stakes are very, very high in these cases. People\u2019s lives, of course, are affected colossally by the outcomes. So it\u2019s quite natural that there will be a fair amount of tension over the process. There\u2019s no way to avoid that given the stakes. So managing that process in a way that is civil and appropriate is, of course, something that we all turn our minds to, and views on that change over the decades, and have changed colossally.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000756\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe question that I have, though, of course, one of my observations, having been in Parliament now for 10 years, is that I don\u2019t know what the exact ratio is, but quite often legislation passed by this House actually has the opposite effect of what was intended. Life is complex and, particularly in regulations, we set out to do one thing, we pass a law, and actually, it turns out that the consequence was completely unintended, and it\u2019s something quite different. That has been raised by a number of submitters in regard to this one, which is to say, in relation to turning a pre-trial recording of a cross examination maybe a year or maybe two years before it actually goes to trial from something that is rare and exceptional into potentially standard practice could have the unintended consequence of, well, first, turning that situation into an area of great legal confrontation and debate and a fair amount of legal drama around that. But then given the fact that it may well be that quite often it is judged as necessary, on basic rights to justice, to recall that complainant back for the actual trial, you might end up having made the attempt to reduce re-traumatisation of complainants, actually getting to a situation where more often they\u2019re doubly retraumatised as a matter of course.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000757\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ESo, I\u2019m sure that\u2019s not the Minister\u2019s intention. I\u2019m sure that\u2019s not the drafters of this legislation\u2019s intention. But many people who work in the sector, and know it inside out, and know how it operates, and know how lawyers operate, and how the world really works, are deeply concerned that this could, well indeed, be the outcome. So the Minister, sort of, batted it off. Everything will be fine, don\u2019t worry, and it won\u2019t happen. I\u2019m struggling a little bit with the tightrope, which is to say there\u2019s a very high threshold before the judge would order a recall. But, we\u2019re also concerned about the rights of defendants to a fair trial. So if that is a major concern, well, then the recalls will happen reasonably frequently, in which case you\u2019ve got the re-traumatisation happening more often, or if it doesn\u2019t happen hardly ever at all, then we do have a real issue around the rights of the defendants to, under the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, be able to defend themselves effectively. So I want to hear more from the Minister on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u00221aa4fa7b117a48a3aa6dd0976c3501e9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221aa4fa7b117a48a3aa6dd0976c3501e9\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E I guess, given the situation, I do think that\u2019s a fair question to ask. What I would remind the member is that this is not a piece of legislation\u2014to pick up a theme that has been used to my left\u2014that has been rushed through any policy process. It\u2019s the product of two Law Commission reports and quite a lot of work from the Ministry of Justice, in consultation with many stakeholders, in order for us to find the right balance in terms of fair trial rights and also the protection of victims in a process which, again, is foreign to probably 99 percent of New Zealanders and that no one wants to find themselves party to in the first place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EI again\u2014and it may not be to the pleasure of the member\u2014reiterate the safeguards are a discretion and the ability for a judge, if they see fit, to seek the ability to garner more information. We do have options to do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EThe legislation, obviously, isn\u2019t passed, so we don\u2019t have anything to fall back on in a New Zealand context. But I would point to a close jurisdiction which undertook an evaluation of a pilot and reported back in 2018, in New South Wales. My understanding of the report back from the evaluation of their pilot was just like we have in this situation here. There was concern around fair trial rights and what might happen as a result, in the order of what the Hon Mr Goldsmith mentioned. I think the scenario he was painting was that we try to help, but we end up making things worse, potentially by having a retrial, for example. The evaluation in New South Wales found that despite the concern around the process, there were no appeals in any of the cases where similar components of this legislation in the regime across the Tasman were used.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003EAgain, I do think it\u2019s fair to raise the concern and raise the question, because that is the right thing to do in order to strike with precision that balance between the defendants\u2019 rights and also the complainants\u2019 rights. But the evidence we have from jurisdictions that are similar to us is that that does not translate into concerns being borne out by appeals in those cases where these types of methods are used. Certainly, in New South Wales, which is a jurisdiction very similar to us, their evaluation of their pilot came back with no appeals of those sexual violence cases where these methods were used.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u0022f4858caa35a5433a9dad6adbb0aea7fc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f4858caa35a5433a9dad6adbb0aea7fc\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Minister for the Prevention of Family and Sexual Violence):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I actually am appreciating this debate in the Chamber tonight. I am going to acknowledge the Hon Paul Goldsmith in that the principle that the member is actually raising is that \u201CAre we making sure?\u201D\u2014what I just heard in the most recent contribution from the Hon Paul Goldsmith is that \u201CAre we making sure that we are guarding against the unintended consequences, that we are not, in fact, actually setting up victims and survivors for further traumatisation?\u201D I want to acknowledge the principle of that debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EWe have heard some of the opposition\u2014not necessarily in the parties tonight in this House, but from the community and from the sector\u2014which does not even try to uphold the principle of making sure that we are not further re-traumatising victims and survivors through the justice processes. So this is a really good crux of this debate here in the Chamber, where we have representatives from all across the different sides of the room holding on to these important principles and debating the pathways to uphold them. I absolutely want to acknowledge authentic political debate that actually crosses party divides, something which we should be seeking to do as often as possible when it comes to such important issues that there are high stakes\u2014I completely agree; I think all of us agree\u2014for not upholding the right to fair trials.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThere are high stakes for making sure that we are upholding actual justice processes. On that, I again would then fall back\u2014I was supposed to make this a short contribution\u2014to the crux of the sector and part of the drive behind this legislation, which goes back to the risks of videos and evidential video interviews being shared with the world, which are higher than ever, especially when a common reaction of those accused of adult sexual assault is to attack the character of the victim by ridiculing the accusations and\u2014and this is the crux\u2014by making that evidence public, and that we have had instances, and I know that\u2019s what this legislation is wanting to address. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003ESo if we take it back to that principle, if we take it back to what we are actually trying to do with this legislation, and taking on board what the Hon Kris Faafoi has just outlined in terms of, again, comparative examples for our Aotearoa New Zealand demographics and country demographics, and understanding where we can learn on how we can better protect everyone, and also the evidence in what we know around pre-recorded cross-examinations. When walking alongside victims, we know that the anticipation and subjection to cross-examination is, of course, a stressful experience\u2014of course\u2014and that this is almost always conducted during a hearing, even in cases with child victims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EBut here\u2019s the crux that I wanted to pick up on: allowing pre-recording of cross-examination improves accuracy of testimony and increases fairness of trial. So making sure that we can and must do that bit of work in the House, in legislation, and, again, my point\u2014I do repeat it\u2014of looking for operational changes of policy changes to any concerns that might restrict defendants\u2019 access to a fair trial, to viewing the evidence, in that we can actually put this legislation in place and get regulations, per the consultation, working with victims\u2019 advocates\u2014and I think this is key\u2014in those regulations, to making sure\u2014making sure\u2014that we have got a strong framework that both upholds the right to a fair trial and protects and does not retraumatise victims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000767\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EMy last few seconds is, you know, this goes to broader work. And, yes, thank you, I received the acknowledgments of launching Te Aorerekura strategy to end family violence and sexual violence, along with many colleagues who have worked on that in that we are moving away from, also, such an adversarial approach to justice. I welcome this step. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u00225778de1f535648b28a92844e53f3e996\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000768\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225778de1f535648b28a92844e53f3e996\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Kaipara ki Mahurangi):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Can I start by acknowledging the point that has been made by a couple of members on both sides of the House, so to speak. Of course we all do want, ultimately, the same thing, I believe, which is, of course, that no victim of sexual violence is retraumatised, but, of course, at the same time, we want to have a process that establishes the truth of a matter in a fair trial so that any convictions are safe, so to speak. So I think it\u2019s gracious of members who maybe have approached this from another perspective to others to acknowledge that the intentions each of the other are good in this space.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000769\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EIn that spirit, I do want to state for the record that which has already been traversed at first reading and second reading, but not at length, Madam Chair, you\u2019ll be pleased to know. But there are a number of really positive features in the bill in addition to the well-intentioned basis on which it has been brought forward. So we\u2019ve talked before, for example, about the rights of victims in relation to victim impact statements and the way that those can be made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000770\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EIn relation to the particular\u2014really, down to, basically, a couple of points in this legislation that we\u2019ve continued to discuss, because there\u2019s been some nervousness, as you will have gathered, on this side of the House about the way they might play out, and my colleague the Hon Paul Goldsmith has voiced that, I think, really well in relation to the potential for unintended consequences, with the right of recall under section 99 of the Evidence Act potentially re-traumatising or having a second bite at the cherry being required in relation to evidence being given.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000771\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI would just make the point that is probably reasonably obvious: the length of time between an incident, or alleged incident, and the giving of evidence is really problematic, for all involved oftentimes. I think it does reflect a deep-seated difficulty and problem in our justice system, one that\u2019s been quite longstanding and is getting worse\u2014but is, to be fair, a longstanding one\u2014which is the delay in trials taking place and the additional stress that that imposes upon all of those whose lives are upended and put on hold when the outcome of a day in court is delayed for such a significant period of time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI think we\u2019ve talked about previously\u2014and certainly I\u2019ve recorded in the Supplementary Order Paper regarding the pre-trial recording of cross-examination\u2014the fact that, under section 103 of the Evidence Act already, evidence can be directed to be given in an alternative way, including, for example, pre-recorded by way of cross examination that is before the trial starts. That does lead to an interesting point around the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, section 25(e), which I don\u2019t believe was traversed particularly thoroughly, with all due respect, in the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act vet and advice in relation to the bill. So that\u2019s the right of a person to be present at the trial and to present a defence, and if the discussion\u2014that is to say the cross-examination\u2014has taken place before the trial and cross-examination can\u2019t take place on the basis of things that have emerged during a trial, that is potentially quite problematic in terms of that New Zealand Bill of Rights Act freedom or right that\u2019s supposed to be protected in that instrument.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000773\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EThe other one that\u2019s been discussed\u2014again, by others, and I don\u2019t intend to go into it more fully than needed\u2014is in relation to a complainant\u2019s previous sexual experience with the defendant. That seems instinctively to be a different category from saying that her or his sexual disposition is one thing\u2014and, of course, we all would say, I believe, that we wouldn\u2019t want someone to not receive a fair hearing if she or he were to say or for it to be said of them, \u201COh, they always act in a certain way\u201D; you know, that they were \u201Casking for it\u201D, or whatever. I think we can safely assume that no one here would think that that was a reasonable basis for dismissing a good-faith complaint, but, at the same time, it might be that if two people\u2014or more, I suppose\u2014have engaged in a certain activity in the past, that is at least potentially relevant and should not be something that is necessarily precluded or which is regarded as not likely to be relevant in a court.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003ESo I would just urge the Minister to respond, if he\u2019s able, for the sake of the record, or at least turn his mind to the fact that there are already Evidence Act requirements around relevance and whether evidence is unfairly prejudicial. So, having placed that on the record, I do reiterate our commitment to the broader mahi of sexual violence legislation\u2014[Time expired]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u00222a96bb92bb5a42198a1200ca42c88591\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000775\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a96bb92bb5a42198a1200ca42c88591\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Can I thank the member, Chris Penk, for the contribution. Just for the record\u2014because the member did raise bill of rights issues and any New Zealand Bill of Rights Act (BORA) vet\u2014both the bill and Supplementary Order Paper 105, which has been tabled, have been through the BORA process and received the Crown Law tick of approval in terms of that process. So it\u2019s been through the ringer twice, including the changes that have been made via the Supplementary Order Paper. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u00228bd5d24d97914d5b869decccde5c1142\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000776\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228bd5d24d97914d5b869decccde5c1142\u0022\u003EDr DUNCAN WEBB (Junior Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the question be now put.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000777\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022a0fe4a785433480d975621ebc045bc4c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000778\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a0fe4a785433480d975621ebc045bc4c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 105 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000779\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022b94d4bb96aa24457a9a8583b561e9801\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000780\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b94d4bb96aa24457a9a8583b561e9801\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: Chris Penk\u2019s amendments to clause 14, new section 106D(7) and 106G to 106J are out of order as inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u002263c2ffbf76604296b24d352d6a599855\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000781\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002263c2ffbf76604296b24d352d6a599855\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Chris Penk\u2019s remaining amendments to Part 1 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 5 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022c0ecd223fe8e46aa990ac8b519993734\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 33\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 33.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 85\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 65; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10; ACT New Zealand 10.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022bee94fe36a25426795560ff0137a06c7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000782\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bee94fe36a25426795560ff0137a06c7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Chris Penk\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Supplementary Order Paper 11 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002213e00735e2d04f2eb55965fde1a7f0ef\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 43\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 33; ACT New Zealand 10.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 75\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 65; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 10.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000783\u0022\u003EPart 1, as amended, agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000784\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022814f59f3fd2e4ac18379c13f35a20d81\u0022\u003EPart 2  Amendments to Victims\u2019 Rights Act 2002\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u002299d280cfd81a40f9a0504b211a45b6ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000785\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002299d280cfd81a40f9a0504b211a45b6ee\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we now come to Part 2. This is the debate on clauses 18 to 27 in Part 2 of the Schedule Amendments to Victims\u2019 Rights Act 2002. The question is that Part 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u0022adfe1720cd3542cbaa6e5060a117fca7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000786\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022adfe1720cd3542cbaa6e5060a117fca7\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Kaipara ki Mahurangi):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I think it\u2019s always a significant matter when we are considering ways that we can make the lives of victims easier, and so it\u2019s commendable that Amendments to Victims\u2019 Rights Act 2002 are contemplated by Part 2. So I just wonder if the Minister can give us some explanation, for the sake of the record, in relation the victim impact statements. So we see in new clause 22A, as it will be within that Act, to do with the presentation of such statements to accord in some other manner. So if the Minister can give the House some kind of explanation about the thinking behind that, and the way that he believes that that will be helpful I would greatly appreciate it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022625087bc6e5544f3b613b0bb107e519a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000787\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022625087bc6e5544f3b613b0bb107e519a\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Can I thank the member for the question, because I think this is something that the whole House will agree on, in terms of victims being able to have the right to use the same methods in which they would give evidence at a trial to make the victim impact statement post trial, usually at the sentencing point of the process. They can use video recordings. Again, if they want to be in court but not to see the defendant\u2014or the person who\u2019s been prosecuted, at this stage, if they\u2019re giving a victim impact statement\u2014they can also use that means. I guess this is giving the right of flexibility for victims to be able to give their victim impact statement in a way that suits them, and I think the ability to do that, again, will give some safety to the victim and a sense of closure and the ability to bring closure in a way that they would like to happen, as opposed to in an open court with a defendant present looking at them directly. So I think, again, this is a good thing as part of the process for victims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u00224a36ea6a2a0a44db8a245f203314534a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000788\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224a36ea6a2a0a44db8a245f203314534a\u0022\u003ECHRIS PENK (National\u2014Kaipara ki Mahurangi):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Can I acknowledge the Minister for taking the trouble to set out that philosophy behind the victim impact statement method of presentation being alternative.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000789\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003EI have a question in relation to a new section 28D\u2014\u201CD\u201D for delta as it will be\u2014which is headed \u201CCourt may be cleared when victim impact statement read or otherwise presented to court\u201D. I just wonder if the Minister can explain whether it\u2019s his understanding that that is already able to be the case under the current law, and whether this bill is really, essentially, affirming that or providing a bit of a guideline, or if it\u2019s more in the fact of it being something that creates a new right that isn\u2019t, you know, essentially on the statute book or by way of case law or perhaps practise of various court jurisdictions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022340ee0422c474e33885fffd20ef94055\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000790\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290ea1538-43e8-4257-bd80-df3ccd1e5f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022340ee0422c474e33885fffd20ef94055\u0022\u003EHon KRIS FAAFOI (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E Clarifying that it is not a right for that to happen in that manner at this stage. If the judge declares that doing it in that manner would cause undue stress to the person giving the victim impact statement, they can ask for that to be done. My understanding, I believe, although I might need to be clarified of this, is that while you can clear the court, I think the media might be able to be present in the court at the same time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u00224773f2fd9e594884bae5f202d8ea55f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000791\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224773f2fd9e594884bae5f202d8ea55f8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time has come for me to leave the chair to report progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000792\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EProgress to be reported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000793\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002261a69214dbaf40c892b7448e2292650e\u0022\u003EReport of Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000795\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ea2b26f8da4e4ef28af270f4dae6bf19\u0022\u003EReport of Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u00224029a3217a64434d88d5f796db4f389d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000794\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224029a3217a64434d88d5f796db4f389d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, the committee has considered the Births, Deaths, Marriages, and Relationships Registration Bill and reports it with amendment. The committee has also considered the Sexual Violence Legislation Bill and reports progress. I move, That the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000797\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20211207fabf0a6d23cc44d2bccb7e458b96b014000798\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 9.57 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"