"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022859c0227292348e2b55abfea7b927518\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 29 JUNE 2023\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a5a3aa9e6b1349c782cf00e9152a34cf\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 29 JUNE 2023\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b657a8d8ce364e208e308c7d4092c365\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022423938ad32724cdcbe0f9febf13abb26\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u00227fe3c0e0e554452d8b0b9e09130dbd51\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227fe3c0e0e554452d8b0b9e09130dbd51\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Deputy Speaker):\u003C/span\u003E Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King and pray for guidance in our deliberations that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002233222d1ef3f84d82a95d53bdd9fce0f7\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002286ada780e0454a958fc3c5f5e713e629\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u00222d6df82cd6514726b809c3ebad3e4dbc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d6df82cd6514726b809c3ebad3e4dbc\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Today the House will adjourn until Tuesday, 18 July. Legislation to be considered in that week will include the second readings of the Natural and Built Environment Bill and the Spatial Planning Bill, and the further stages of the Business Payment Practices Bill, the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill, the Fuel Industry Amendment Bill, and the Therapeutic Products Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022abcca30f42be47e3a92371aa98fa88ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022abcca30f42be47e3a92371aa98fa88ce\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E I thank the Leader of the House for that update and wish all members a relaxing, if busy, two-week recess before the final push. Can the Minister confirm that the business of the House in the first week back will also include a debate on the question of privilege related to time taken by the Minister of Education to correct a misleading statement? Can I note that in the end of that first week back, the Kermadec Ocean Sanctuary Bill will celebrate its seventh anniversary of having been reported back from the select committee, and would he agree that the best way to mark that milestone would be with a second reading?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u00228e7b4bcee79248d7a721220c6b5a3564\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228e7b4bcee79248d7a721220c6b5a3564\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E In answer to the first part of the question, yes, I can confirm that that report on that debate will occur in accordance with the Standing Orders. In answer to the second part of the member\u2019s question, I\u2019ll consider what the best way is to commemorate that moment. It may well need to involve alcohol.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022367048fe1fda4b4281aca33cac0c38aa\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d31372a0559c4ca58ac1c1b2aa2ef58d\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u002285895523e84f4dad8a866ecdd96d7e0f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002285895523e84f4dad8a866ecdd96d7e0f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc8210090b184540b70e8852e3a8e5f3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc8210090b184540b70e8852e3a8e5f3\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: Petition of Grant Rosoman, requesting that the House of Representatives stop the importation of products linked to forest destruction and human rights abuses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022a910a49b9c3a48d883b5b2a93bdbcb23\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a910a49b9c3a48d883b5b2a93bdbcb23\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That petition stands referred to the Petitions Committee. Ministers have delivered papers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022512d7bacb9bf4d7c8200e0b416746ef0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022512d7bacb9bf4d7c8200e0b416746ef0\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EGovernment response to the petitions of Morteza Sharifi\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E2023-27 statement of intent for the Climate Change Commission\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E2023-24 statement of performance expectations for the Climate Change Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022d945c354a16a4f4b8aa3ae8f2f0f2914\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d945c354a16a4f4b8aa3ae8f2f0f2914\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I present the 2023-24 annual plan of the Controller and Auditor-General. 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Select committee reports have been delivered for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022c0187f34b38d47a69f89b0df7cec6120\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c0187f34b38d47a69f89b0df7cec6120\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EReport of the Education and Workforce Committee on the briefing into postgraduate stipend support\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003Ereports of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ebriefing on the Government\u2019s economic response to the August 2021 COVID-19 outbreak\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EController and Auditor-General, The Auditor-General\u2019s strategic intentions to 2028\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Epetition of Toby Williams\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ereport of the Controller and Auditor-General, Inquiry into the Strategic Tourism Assets Protection Programme\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ereport of the Controller and Auditor-General, Auditor-General\u2019s mid-term review\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003Ereports of the Health Committee on the:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003E2021-22 annual review of the Hutt Valley District Health Board\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Epetition of Gerard Rushton\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003Ereport of the Privileges Committee on the question of privilege concerning the time taken by the Minister of Education to correct a misleading statement to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022104cb8efb0314d868123f48002184090\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022104cb8efb0314d868123f48002184090\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The reports of the Controller and Auditor-General, the report of the Privileges Committee, and the briefings are set down for consideration. No bills have been introduced.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ebb8f58b82ed4faebc12db1462dd9e57\u0022\u003EPersonal Explanations\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d260f9a181b5455383e096e460af9275\u0022\u003EPrivileges Committee\u2014Report on Correction of Misleading Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u00226c13dc7c4ae245b391c8f9e34acbc5b3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226c13dc7c4ae245b391c8f9e34acbc5b3\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave to make a personal statement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ccc29947bbf466f90403a0a26d6833f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247e1aeeef7b34c45af218bd0028b5927\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI\u003C/span\u003E: I have seen the report of the Privileges Committee titled Question of privilege concerning the time taken by the Minister of Education to correct a misleading statement in the House. I accept the committee\u2019s findings, and I apologise to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022499d839a937549e08c1f3d1ee9e406f4\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002218081c2ea948477584f053e8cbd3fe44\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ce080ab3e53f42ceb0a547227b60613a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Cyclone Recovery\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022 data-id=\u00224aa39e189b3e42e9ba2c7e646db9baea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224aa39e189b3e42e9ba2c7e646db9baea\u0022\u003ERACHEL BOYACK (Labour\u2014Nelson)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Cyclone Recovery: What announcements has the Government made about supporting the recovery in affected regions from recent extreme weather events?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u00221f5868caf7f34b9ea631b8a731ef56db\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221f5868caf7f34b9ea631b8a731ef56db\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister for Cyclone Recovery):\u003C/span\u003E The Government is continuing to support growers, farmers, and businesses with their recovery and rebuild from the recent North Island weather events. Today, we announced the North Island Weather Events Loan Guarantee Scheme, which will provide relief to affected firms seeking commercial lending. The scheme leverages the Crown\u2019s financial strength by carrying 80 percent of the credit risk on covered loans, allowing banks to reduce interest rates and offer more flexible terms. The Government\u2019s underwrite will support loans of up to five years, agreed by businesses and their banks, of up to $10 million from the scheme, including refinancing of existing loans. For example, a reduction in interest rates of 0.3\u00A0percent to 1.5 percent will be the equivalent of $9,000 to $45,000 in interest cost savings per year for the average firm supported, based on a theoretical borrowing of $3 million. Over the five years the scheme is in place, these savings could total between $45,000 and $225,000 for a firm with an average amount of debt, providing meaningful relief. Further details of the implementation of the scheme will be announced in the coming weeks. We\u2019re targeting around the end of July for the scheme to be up and running, providing time for banks to get systems in place. In the meantime, customers will be able to register their interest in looking at utilising the scheme with their bank.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c92a2b6b97a43ac9fe50edf68f26b95\u0022\u003ERachel Boyack\u003C/span\u003E: What else did the announcement say about support for affected business and primary producers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bef4129829e24fd9a5beeede8a0340e7\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The package also includes the North Island Weather Events Primary Producer Finance Scheme. This has been created to provide access to capital for affected growers and farmers who are unable to access lending without further support. The funding will be targeted towards severely affected businesses that have a reasonable likelihood of being commercially viable but cannot currently access commercial finance. This scheme enables the Government to provide concessionary loans and equity finance for land-based primary sector producers, up to $4\u00A0million per business from a pool of up to $240 million that has been set aside. This will provide a way for businesses to fully re-engage with lenders at a later date, once we have helped them get back on their feet. In turn, it contributes towards their recovery, and to recovery within the region in which they work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022903efe1101a64efdaff79cf6348cd4f3\u0022\u003ERachel Boyack\u003C/span\u003E: What reaction has he seen to the announcement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221cdeb2ffc4a04797921170aa56a8a09c\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: The reaction is the result of working together with affected sectors to identify the most suitable schemes for viable businesses, particularly when dealing with their banks. Horticulture New Zealand said today\u2019s announcement would enable their growers to make decisions now and \u201Cget on with the recovery and provide jobs for people in regional New Zealand.\u201D LeaderBrand have also welcomed the package, saying that \u201Cbeing supported in this way to get on with the recovery is a win-win for everyone involved.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca3b6170a82a45368c74895febc8b41d\u0022\u003ERachel Boyack\u003C/span\u003E: What other work is the Government doing to support those affected by the recent weather events?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202467c53681f4efc99aeb97a72093841\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Around $2 billion of support has already been committed so far, and this includes, for example, $74 million in grants to farmers and growers in the emergency phase of the response\u2014a $1 billion flood and cyclone recovery package as part of Budget 2023. In addition, another $6 billion in initial funding has been committed for the National Resilience Plan to focus on building back better, in particular\u2014in the first phase\u2014from the recent weather events. The Government is committed to working together with councils, iwi, banks, businesses, and insurers to find solutions for those in affected communities. As I have said previously, we cannot meet all the costs, particularly as we know that we will be seeing more extreme weather events like this, but what we can do is work alongside the community to find solutions, and we are striking a balance between supporting communities without taxpayers bearing all of the cost.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002206f91505bcef4a9a8ee193c446e37c90\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u00222aae43f7763a4c3f85e1ad213528fa69\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222aae43f7763a4c3f85e1ad213528fa69\u0022\u003ENICOLA WILLIS (Deputy Leader\u2014National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Acting Prime Minister: Does she stand by all of her Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5040b3bf17f430e81e427278c4d1651\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5040b3bf17f430e81e427278c4d1651\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Acting Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. In particular, I stand by the support package for growers, farmers, and businesses affected by North Island weather events that the Minister for Cyclone Recovery has just outlined to the House. This package was developed with primary producers and will provide relief to key growers, farmers, and businesses, and help their regions continue to recover.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfad7c45893341ebb339ff8dfa034ed7\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Is she concerned that New Zealanders with a car will be paying around $15 more every time they fill up at the pump after her Government rips off the fuel tax band-aid this weekend?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223687a3eaa889406a8d7a32b1d56a5a17\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: We were really concerned, earlier last year, when fuel nearly reached $3 per litre. We knew that at that time we needed to put that subsidy in place, but we knew that it wasn\u2019t going to last for ever. A little bit relieved that, of course, petrol prices have come down since then. That doesn\u2019t necessarily provide all the relief that those families need to feel, given that there will be a slight increase this week, but what they should know is that on 1 July, many of the initiatives that we announced at Budget 2023 will come into effect. Public transport will be cheaper\u2014or free for some\u2014early childhood education costs will reduce for many; the co-payment of prescriptions will come off for all New Zealanders. That is our attempt, at Budget 2023, to support wh\u0101nau through what is a very tough time right now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1f22acbd5614fc392d0d33ba14fa2f9\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Was the Prime Minister correct in February when he said, of the fuel tax subsidy extension, \u201CRight here and right now the increase in fuel costs is putting a significant amount of pressure on families\u201D, and, if so, what\u2019s changed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022237e7a2a11ca48a5a58bb7d9f258bc43\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b740d67dd3664ce4b7878821aed39e1f\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Why is every solution this Government has come up with to deal with the cost of living crisis nothing more than a temporary band-aid that inevitably creates more pain when the Government rips it off?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211bc44ce0b7a40e7b4552722b14187c9\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: The 1 July changes that are coming into effect certainly aren\u2019t temporary band-aids. We have said that the co-payment will be removed, and that\u2019s not temporary. The changes and access to childcare and the support for childcare costs is not temporary. The fact that those on the sole parent benefit will now get child support pass-on is not temporary\u2014but it is a reminder to the rest of New Zealand that those things are only guaranteed under this Government, and I think we need to make sure that the general public know that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de189b64ea364240bcfdbb6011fc516c\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by her statement on Tuesday that \u201CWe are in the fortunate position of our economy now doing better than what it was during pre-COVID times.\u201D, considering New Zealanders today are facing higher inflation, higher rents, higher food prices, higher house prices, and lower growth compared to pre-COVID levels; and, if she does stand by her statement, what is it in terms of the economy that\u2019s gotten better?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224203389152664e05a898369f05640afa\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: To the first part of the question, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fec34b2071a44f58b438e9fd0ba386c\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: What is it that\u2019s gotten better?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ea43d08c03b4538926adb904b19167b\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: As I said, our economy is now better than what it was pre-COVID; our unemployment rate is still at near-record lows, at 3.4 percent. That doesn\u2019t mean that New Zealanders aren\u2019t doing it tough at the moment: everyone is, internationally, because of global inflation increases and the impact that it\u2019s having on the cost of living. That is why we introduced the changes at Budget 2023 that we did, and we stand by those changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2d4690e5d73485d9f7bdc2191a1f1d4\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I\u2019ve had a couple of supps; that one was very specific. What\u2019s gotten better in terms of the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222ac416125a245f3bde1ea55d145243a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It was addressed. Have you got another question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223eaa4118ef894f19b155fc54484408fa\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. Why is New Zealand in recession, and Australia isn\u2019t?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d42404d4ee234e6caa26d31c764a33df\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: That member needs to look at the annual figure. It was two quarters where we did see a slight recession, but what is good is that the forecast is that in the next quarter it will go up, and we will be watching that very carefully.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d29d50b6b3644017af5dc1ea51674223\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Why does Australia have lower inflation than New Zealand, and why is the Acting Prime Minister gaslighting New Zealanders by telling them they should be relieved and grateful for this Government\u2019s failed economic management?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c970c9b2f3f43d28661042973944f0d\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI\u003C/span\u003E: We would never gaslight New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002285a24c927dda400f9da8d955945660bf\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Housing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad5e2255d84a45aebbb3aa38920a5305\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad5e2255d84a45aebbb3aa38920a5305\u0022\u003EPAUL EAGLE (Labour\u2014Rongotai)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: How is the Government incorporating innovative building solutions into the public housing rebuild?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u0022c0ab7ccedceb47799290e42912c63408\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c0ab7ccedceb47799290e42912c63408\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E Through our public house - build programme, the Government is delivering the most public houses since the second Labour Government under Walter Nash in the 1950s. This scale means we can incorporate new technologies and systems to build faster and better-quality homes more efficiently. In a first for central government - funded public housing in Australasia, K\u0101inga Ora has recently delivered a passive housing development in M\u0101ngere. These 18 homes utilise airtight construction, superior insulation, and a whole-house mechanical ventilation system to deliver a healthy home that is thermally efficient and better for the environment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db49a9b3f7424ca3a0687c546cc10037\u0022\u003EPaul Eagle\u003C/span\u003E: How will these innovative homes assist tenants to lower their household costs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fabe9cc8dccc4000beedef9bf3a2a3f0\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Not only are these homes incredibly warm and dry; they could see heating and cooling costs being as little as $1 per day, or, for a year, around $365. This is due to homes regulating their own temperature through smart design and the use of high-performing construction materials, meaning there is little need to run heaters during colder periods. These homes provide significant benefits to tenants and provide significant insights for sector-wide knowledge and capacity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8f3f48a9037470fb240355e22151c75\u0022\u003EPaul Eagle\u003C/span\u003E: How else is the Government supporting innovation in the residential construction sector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002216e2d1dc971f4749b265216789bf5044\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: K\u0101inga Ora has already delivered more than 400 public homes utilising off-site manufacturing, or OSM, including 150 this financial year alone, and it has contracts with eight New Zealand - based OSM manufacturers to deliver a further 300 public homes across 78 developments in the next two financial years. Off-site manufacturing has a range of benefits, including reduced construction time, less disruption to neighbours, improved health and safety, as well as improved quality, sustainability, and waste reduction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a89e6134ecd425891262e418b072792\u0022\u003EPaul Eagle\u003C/span\u003E: How will the Government\u2019s support of off-site manufacturing benefit the residential construction sector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022806bc033773d4b9fb20f3f44f6c2824c\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Internationally, other countries have successfully modernised their construction sectors. In Sweden, for example, more than 80 percent of homes are now built off site. Our Government is making the most of a generational opportunity to improve the way we build to create a smarter, more efficient, and sustainable construction process and sector. Tex Edwards recently acknowledged our effort, saying, \u201CCentral government pressure has created a pathway to reduce costs and align [New Zealand\u2019s home-building] with international best practice. Scale, OSM, standardisation and long-dated pipeline contracts will deliver a reduction in costs not just for K\u0101inga Ora but these will also flow through to kiwi first home buyers.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002220d243c1a2c04960b38fdc9a5cbe7261\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Housing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022 data-id=\u002215795f5baeaa4653a3192ef24460c05c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002215795f5baeaa4653a3192ef24460c05c\u0022\u003EJAN LOGIE (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Housing: What is the K\u0101inga Ora universal design standards target, and when did the board adopt this target?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u002226b05a44a2884a73b2332d5b96c0ec49\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002226b05a44a2884a73b2332d5b96c0ec49\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E The K\u0101inga Ora board adopted the accessibility policy in September 2019. The policy set an initial target of having at least 15 percent of K\u0101inga Ora public homes new-builds meeting full universal design standards, with the rest meeting as many of the universal design standards as possible. What the K\u0101inga Ora accessibility policy seeks to achieve is homes that were briefed after 1 October 2019 and contracted on or after 1\u00A0July\u00A02020 meeting those universal design targets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddf351b72ef94c87b72f84318b2ba2cb\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: Why, then, did the Minister say in the Social Services Committee on 21 June that the target was only put in place in 2021?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242bbc79aff1d4a30986f1e48d622c095\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: Because the policy was passed in 2019 with an implementation date for delivery from 2021. As we talked about at the select committee hearing, there is a lag between a policy being set and the homes that are contracted. It is only the homes that are contracted post 1\u00A0July\u00A02020 that will see delivery through into 2021.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4367610446341acb4fb640abe795885\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: Is it true, as reported by Stuff on 15 March, that K\u0101inga Ora reached 9 percent universal design for new-build public housing, which is actually only 1.5 percent of all new-build public housing, and, if so, why have they failed to meet their own targets?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277f260f9a6f946ea80793f42019b4c33\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: We are on track to deliver the targets for this financial year. There were some delays, as the member will know, some COVID-related construction delays, that meant that there was more in the pipeline that were contracted prior to those dates. What we are seeing, though, are some examples of some developments that are coming through that have incredibly high standards of the universal design targets\u2014for example, Greys Avenue: 60 percent of the new apartments will reach that. In \u0112puni, where the Prime Minister and I visited last week a 32-unit development, 50 percent of those units have been built to universal design standards. And in Highbury Triangle, in Auckland, where there are 192 units specifically designed for older people, all of those are accessible properties with wheelchair and mobility scooter ramps built to an incredibly high standard. So what we can see is that properties that are contracted later and being delivered now are far exceeding that target.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230593b6bd2db457ca1ef27f964bc4df0\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by her comment, \u201CI\u2019m not accepting the missed targets.\u201D, when data from K\u0101inga Ora\u2019s dashboard states that they built 1,266 homes while the policy was taking effect, with only 70 houses being built to full universal design by the end of 2022, nowhere near the 15\u00A0percent target?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a20fe2e6fd3e45e490424718ddb2d527\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve addressed the question that the member\u2019s just put, in previous answers. The member needs to look at when those projects were contracted. The reality is that it takes several years in terms of design, so delivery that you\u2019re going to see post that, many of those homes would have been contracted pre the 2020 date.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002269dfdffa-4227-42b6-875a-fc8033bc25cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddbce558483d4e53add92db80df21dbd\u0022\u003EJan Logie\u003C/span\u003E: Then why was the target set to be achieved between August 2021 and July 2022? That\u2019s what\u2019s in the policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222fcafe9faba4036aa610fa474c387e1\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS\u003C/span\u003E: As we\u2019ve also talked about in this House on multiple occasions, clearly there was a delay in construction throughout 2020 and 2021. In fact, very few homes could be constructed while the country was in lockdown. We have already acknowledged that that did have a delay in meeting those targets, as it did with construction targets more generally.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227812f617ae6b4960ad5db19cb880815a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022 data-id=\u0022f380256e04ad477b8127aaf1cce20c15\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f380256e04ad477b8127aaf1cce20c15\u0022\u003EDr LIZ CRAIG (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: What changes has the Government made to the Carer Support subsidy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022 data-id=\u0022e4fa9f3ade5a45dc8de578414760035e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e4fa9f3ade5a45dc8de578414760035e\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E From 1 July, Te Whatu Ora will increase the daily rate of subsidy paid to carers in the home. It will also widen how the subsidy can be used to support the work of the main carer. Under the changes, the daily rate of the carer support subsidy lifts from $64.50 in some regions to a minimum of $80 nationwide.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224da06f9aab2f41b1b2f971bb791ed1dd\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: So how will this improve access to care?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f308556d3cae4406ae72b49392e3c881\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL\u003C/span\u003E: This will improve access to care options, such as day programmes for respite for those in our community who cannot afford to privately top up the current daily allocation of carer support. Increasing the subsidy will also enable more people to be cared for in their communities and, therefore, reduce unnecessary hospital admissions among some of the most vulnerable members of our community. It also helps relieve pressure on the health system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239d5e67823dd488f8b02f3d3c9fcb962\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: How many people will be positively impacted by the change?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229af8e8ebf8db4dba9e20c28bdc02e8dd\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL\u003C/span\u003E: This change is expected to help more than 14,000 existing carers. Full-time carers or those looking after someone for four hours or more a day will be able to use the subsidy to take a break from their stressful work, reducing the risk of carer stress and burnout. Previously, carers could only claim one day\u2019s worth of their annual allocation of subsidy at a time. Now they will be able to claim for multiple days\u2019 worth at once in order to take a break. They will also be able to use the subsidy to compensate others living in the same household to provide respite or an external respite service.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223c5917bd-9c2f-4bdf-af2f-b13cd1a2c8bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022251a8df90115471b910fa6a7dc1aefee\u0022\u003EDr Liz Craig\u003C/span\u003E: Why has this change been made?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221836244a7d5347ba95a5f67cb8f99203\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL\u003C/span\u003E: Previously, 14 of the 20 districts paid $64.50 as the minimum support rate. That has now been lifted by a minimum of $15.50 to reduce inequities across the country. The 1 July change marks a move away from the inconsistency of multiple rates across the country, correcting inconsistencies in funding between Te Whatu Ora and other agencies as well, and shows the benefit of having one agency running the health system instead of 20 district health boards. We are slowly ending the postcode lottery for care.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002294c983faf3f74825bb72ee6824c97681\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Local Government\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022726bab6f845647f6a607030d0c7ee7c3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022726bab6f845647f6a607030d0c7ee7c3\u0022\u003ECHRIS BISHOP (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Local Government: Does he stand by all decisions made around the Government\u2019s water services reform programme in 2023?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u00226fbd988af6594181908f72e2cbac16b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226fbd988af6594181908f72e2cbac16b9\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Local Government: On behalf of the Minister, yes, in the context in which they were made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022201018da3d9744f492486a2e463aa2ad\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Has Cabinet agreed to the extra transition funds required as part of the move from four entities to 10, as mentioned in the regulatory impact statement on the Water Services Entities Amendment Bill, estimated at at least a billion dollars?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220930adbda05e4ddea6a069e38b64cbff\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Cabinet has indeed agreed to that process. I would note in the regulatory impact statement the member refers to, in a number of cases, while initial Crown funding is required, it will be recovered from the water services entities when they are operational.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022edfe3353a8d642afb8284a64a739283f\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Did the Government appropriate the extra transition funds required in Budget 2023, and, if so, what appropriation or appropriations is the money contained in?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa974761cdb2455ca793aea2f1fed947\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, appropriations already exist for the overall reform programme. When new appropriations are required, they occur when those decisions are made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b76e4357d8f4dfbac33503b822de567\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: So in relation to the extra billion dollars\u2014at least\u2014required, is that money appropriated for in previous Budgets, including the latest one?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226fbd1c2f444e40a5a6198712691419fe\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s actually the same answer I\u2019ve just given to the member: sometimes when the Government carries a cost for a period of time before that is transferred across, that can be reflected in the Government accounts; other times it doesn\u2019t need to be because that cost will be paid back within the time that the Government accounts allow for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200fab1055194474cbe2e357337f8a79b\u0022\u003ENicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Dodgy books.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb933a14426e422e9810a01d4acbdc19\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Has he talked to his officials\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293f08977a6b043f9897e00db34bc353b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! We\u2019ll hear this in silence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e9b2e626be845d88f622ab6c0de5a72\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: All good?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea312e6e80b4404784999315aa4e9f6a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Questions are asked in silence. Chris Bishop.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a22b9d353864101ae30947eb8888fd9\u0022\u003EHon Andrew Little\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. The deputy leader of the National Party made a statement just now by way of interjection that reflected on the integrity of the Minister of Finance in a way that I would submit is contrary to the Standing Orders and the good order of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d84ce0f115e46fbb3affaba6730750c\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, that may have been the implication taken by Minister Little, but there was no reference to any individual and therefore no reflection on that person.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e01c2593cfb54f309d61503fc8011c6f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will make this ruling. There has been an increase of interjections, badly timed interjections, during question time, when questions, in particular, are being asked. I would ask every member to stop doing that. I did hear the comment\u2014timing wasn\u2019t perfect, but I\u2019m loath to rule it as being personally directed at a member. However, the member ought to be careful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022181388b0dd294118a38b6df2b3ab151e\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Has he talked to his officials about the 32 unauthorised changes made to the Water Services Legislation Bill by Department of Internal Affairs officials that in some cases went directly against the instructions of the Finance and Expenditure Committee, and, if so, what did he say?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022effc5044bab34798b018d4e19b799cd7\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, the Minister speaks regularly with the officials who are responsible for this work. In terms of that specific matter, we\u2019ll have to get back to the member, and I\u2019m sure the Minister will do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202fc56b9008445be9c6170920a387ab1\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why has Cabinet not altered the position under the three waters reform programme where it is compulsory for a water services entity to respond to a Te Mana o te Wai statement issued by relevant mana whenua, but not compulsory for the water services entity to respond to a community priority statement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cbde1a7d34a4227bbda1dd53d5c0161\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: Those are two distinct processes, and I\u2019m sure the member will be well aware that Te Mana o te Wai statements have been around since I think about 2014. The National Party included them within the resource management amendment reforms. They find their basis in the fact that, among other places, the Supreme Court agreed that there are rights and interests of M\u0101ori in water, and, in fact, the Rt Hon Bill English made that statement at the Supreme Court.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222705a9ad05684dc8bfaaffb1bbd39aa3\u0022\u003EChris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Why is it the Government position that the only way to give effect to legitimate M\u0101ori rights and interests in water is to privilege only mana whenua with the ability to issue directive and prescriptive statements to new water infrastructure bodies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280900e20fee147d7851ad64262abcd04\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I completely reject the assertions in the member\u2019s question. Te Mana o te Wai has been part of the resource management framework in New Zealand for many, many years. It is reflective of M\u0101ori rights and interests in water, which, as I say, previously, the National Party has acknowledged has been the case. Clearly, Bill English\u2019s words no longer mean anything to the National Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b648ea9a0e054a85bdc2a2b84fc57ecf\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Statistics\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a97e1705-20b1-4844-8140-1090426c1397\u0022 data-id=\u0022c7653165e6c84b3b982e47294670a524\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a97e1705-20b1-4844-8140-1090426c1397\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c7653165e6c84b3b982e47294670a524\u0022\u003EDAMIEN SMITH (ACT)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Statistics: Does she have confidence that Stats New Zealand will achieve the 90 percent completion rate target for the New Zealand Census 2023, and is she \u201Cabsolutely\u201D willing to resign as Minister if this target isn\u2019t met by 5 pm tomorrow?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u0022f73eefccd1f846319e692829bd95e97f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f73eefccd1f846319e692829bd95e97f\u0022\u003EHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Minister of Statistics):\u003C/span\u003E I am absolutely confident that Tatauranga Aotearoa Statistics New Zealand will deliver an excellent census that will give Government agencies, city and district councils, iwi and hap\u016B, and community groups and businesses good information to plan for the future. The collection period for the census ends at 5 p.m. tomorrow. However, the census process is continuing as returns are gathered, processed, and checked. The completion rate for the census will not be known until towards the end of 2024, after the postenumeration survey is completed and evaluated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a97e1705-20b1-4844-8140-1090426c1397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227709e8676ec144a4a51915ec1a2c0135\u0022\u003EDamien Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Does she accept that she has ultimate responsibility for the census failing to meet its target completion rate, and, if the Minister doesn\u2019t, who has the ultimate responsibility?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c473fe24c960485c80b95edb897b0d6a\u0022\u003EHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL\u003C/span\u003E: I reject the use of the word \u201Cfailing\u201D there. The census has in fact succeeded. We are sitting on an 89 percent return rate at the moment, and, in fact, there has been particular success with increasing the rate of return from our M\u0101ori and Pasifika populations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258baa209-edaf-42a5-92d6-b2613c144bfb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022830554e56f404d9fa82b528004896b2b\u0022\u003ENicole McKee\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. The question that was asked of the Minister was about accepting responsibility, and, if not the Minister, then who. She addressed a word that was said in the question without actually addressing the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ba4568552584670a3c975647a4bc1bf\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And that would probably be addressed that way if the Minister chooses to do so. The way to avoid it is to not use such words. Are there further supplementaries?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a97e1705-20b1-4844-8140-1090426c1397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a25802fa3f9548cab7ea85b033e49855\u0022\u003EDamien Smith\u003C/span\u003E: How does she measure the effectiveness of spending hundreds of thousands of taxpayers\u2019 dollars on vouchers for sports games and fast food for people who did not complete the census on time, when she doesn\u2019t know the number of people who filled out the census in return for these vouchers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022944b03730f184120a1566ee818b3dde3\u0022\u003EHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL\u003C/span\u003E: It is impossible to know exactly how many people filled out their census forms at events\u2014community events, engagement events, and the like\u2014where people were drawn into events in order to complete their census. The reason that it\u2019s impossible, though, is it\u2019s not just the vouchers, not just the events, but it\u2019s the extended reach of that, beyond that, that encouraged people, that made them aware of the census and, therefore, encouraged them to complete their forms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a97e1705-20b1-4844-8140-1090426c1397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022505609783995400f8f3dcf7585d438c8\u0022\u003EDamien Smith\u003C/span\u003E: How did she spend $300 million on the census and get such a poor result, and is it not a reflection of the lack of trust New Zealanders have in this Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1691b59689d4b5192f44d0a4d4fdb04\u0022\u003EHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL\u003C/span\u003E: I again reject the particular word. It was not a poor result. We have had an excellent result from the census so far, where we\u2019ve gotten an 89 percent return rate. We\u2019ve gotten increased return rates for M\u0101ori and Pasifika. And by the time those return rates are combined with administrative data, we will get an excellent coverage rate of 97 to 98 percent. We\u2019ve got a good census.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002298b68106a9dc4d6dbc91edf8a63262db\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014M\u0101ori Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022 data-id=\u00223752cd04392144d58fcc37fd832b04ab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223752cd04392144d58fcc37fd832b04ab\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS (Labour\u2014Manurewa)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for M\u0101ori Development: What recent announcements has the Government made about support for owners of whenua M\u0101ori in Tair\u0101whiti and Hawke\u2019s Bay?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u002204a038ad128b441da130313b7aaedf3a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002204a038ad128b441da130313b7aaedf3a\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ve just announced $30 million of funding to help\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243b9fddfacf247f6ac401d893dfcdb6b\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: How much?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223252680016b246d2b29f93d47c0035ed\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014$30 million of funding to help whenua M\u0101ori owners in Tair\u0101whiti and Hawke\u2019s Bay with the clean-up of sediment and debris on their whenua. The Minister of Forestry and I have also announced that $2 million of the $10.15 million woody debris fund announced as part of Budget 2023 has been allocated specifically to manage woody debris in catchments on whenua M\u0101ori. This funding recognises hapori M\u0101ori, community M\u0101ori, are still dealing with the aftermath of the cyclone. The Government is committed to continue to support the recovery of communities affected by the cyclone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e9b11164e774ed4911905b3617da608\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: How will this funding benefit owners of whenua M\u0101ori in Tair\u0101whiti and Hawke\u2019s Bay?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf4bfa4e40b74a8a8309312d0f8497eb\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Owners of whenua M\u0101ori can apply to Te Puni K\u014Dkiri, which is really good because they can get direct access for their grants to help clean up sediment and debris on their whenua. This helps owners make their own decisions about how to manage the clean-up. Owners of whenua M\u0101ori who have completed or started their clean up can also apply for grants. We recognise that iwi and hapori M\u0101ori moved quickly after the cyclone to get started on the clean-up. This funding may be able to help them with those costs. The $2 million from the woody debris fund will also be available as grants to clean up woody debris in catchments on whenua M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4358847700d4f1c92d128630ce03c15\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: When will this funding be available?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282173140af3c4d109634326fee61b301\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Funding will be available from 1 July 2023. M\u0101ori land owners in Te Tair\u0101whiti and the Hawke\u2019s Bay can contact the Whenua M\u0101ori service in Te Puni K\u014Dkiri for more information and advice about how to apply.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9ffc38b48544a7b8890598158ca3a86\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: What other assistance is being made available to help clean up debris and sediment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229af8b19651884e3ea69a7aa3411bf398\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Last month, my colleagues the Minister of Local Government and the Associate Minister for Cyclone Recovery announced funding of $102 million to help councils process and dispose of debris and to manage sediment on council land. They also announced $70\u00A0million to assist commercial properties with their clean-up. Some owners of whenua M\u0101ori will meet the criteria for commercial funding. Te Puni K\u014Dkiri is supporting landowners who choose this route through the application process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dfe9a044707943248c4efbe265b4901e\u0022\u003EHon Meka Whaitiri\u003C/span\u003E: Why has it taken nearly five months to get targeted funding to remove silt from whenua M\u0101ori in Tair\u0101whiti and Hawke\u2019s Bay?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e348e22f05d44cbca2de6d6e82f5e87a\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s been a tough process for this Government, it\u2019s been a tough process for this country, but we\u2019re committed to looking after not just our own people but all the people in the different communities, and I\u2019m proud of the response from this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fefe903f34c4b678a4413601b04f4ca\u0022\u003EHon Meka Whaitiri\u003C/span\u003E: Will he support Te Paati M\u0101ori\u2019s policy of $100 million for a dedicated clean-up fund for tangata whenua; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f893d585b63445168d3e55a2be2cd13a\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: I will support any fund in terms of supporting our people if it\u2019s thought through well, which clearly that view has not been.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223d5a8d6b45b34717b96603b227d4690b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Corrections\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022 data-id=\u002233d82421f2074810ab854143bd1fad9e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002233d82421f2074810ab854143bd1fad9e\u0022\u003EHon MARK MITCHELL (National\u2014Whangapar\u0101oa)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Corrections: Does he agree with the reported statement of the Chief Ombudsman following his report initiated after the Waikeria Prison riot, \u201CCorrections was being defensive, risk averse and believed it had made changes when there was no evidence of it on the ground\u201D; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022 data-id=\u00224db34fdca55741af95b069efc9d36549\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224db34fdca55741af95b069efc9d36549\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS (Minister of Corrections):\u003C/span\u003E I think it\u2019s important to remember that prisons aren\u2019t an ordinary work environment. We need to be realistic about the serious challenges and risks front-line staff are managing every day. Any change needs to be made with the safety of staff and prisoners front of mind. I agree that it can take time in an organisation as large as this for changes to be made from top to bottom, and I\u2019ve expressed that I think progress on recommendations on the ground should be faster. Safety and the humane treatment of prisoners are not mutually exclusive, which is why Corrections has acknowledged that it can do more, and that is why they have accepted all of the Ombudsman\u2019s recommendations made of them, which I\u2019m supportive of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f68fef05a524cc2849da884b3c0db8a\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Chief Ombudsman\u2019s concern about a divide between senior leadership and the front line at Corrections include him?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b928e48e2ab4a2b928b00a0a25cf5df\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: I absolutely back our staff on the front line and acknowledge the challenging work that they do. I think the reality is that with a large operational agency, there\u2019s always a challenge to face in how the central leadership and the front-line staff are linked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022172b85b1ac124b779f0cebdbae3c040e\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: How can Kiwis have any confidence in his leadership of Corrections when the Chief Ombudsman says that Corrections accepted most of the recommendations yet the riots occurred?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223f4247d6ab346bd9fe9ec1924d97757\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: First of all, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s helpful to speculate on what would\u2019ve changed the behaviour of the rioters. Ultimately, it was unacceptable and endangered staff, other prisoners, and themselves. But a number of changes were made immediately as a result of that Ombudsman\u2019s report in 2020. There was an ongoing programme of maintenance of cells. The yards were being checked daily for damage. There was increased resourcing in the property area. There was development of consistent streamlined procedures for ordering and managing prisoners\u2019 clothing. They were providing prisoners with additional food and additional food to prisoners with their evening meals. So there were a number of changes that were made as a result of the August 2020 report, but, ultimately, it\u2019s pointless speculating on what might have changed the behaviour of those rioters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d5573db3637c4b3899e4d2854ebfd8e8\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Why after six years of his leadership is the Chief Ombudsman reporting that because Corrections have been too slow to act, the fair treatment and rights of prisoners have unfortunately been the collateral damage?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1278d6845eb4d66821d3de92689af09\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: I disagree with much of that, but I have expressed that I think the recommendations made by the Ombudsman should\u2019ve been implemented faster. I\u2019ve continuously expressed that to the leadership of Corrections.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f10556aa0075485ab9f46abbd1f06412\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: What does he say to the Chief Ombudsman, who said, \u201CI was concerned to find that people I interviewed during the course of my investigation consistently described a divided organisation and a pattern of disconnection at all levels, mainly between front-line prison staff and head office.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225911233940ad4cedbb701f9b1f68c9f5\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: I have made my expectations clear, but, like I say, with an organisation as large as Corrections, it is possible that there is a gap between those in head office and those working on the front line. But I also have to say that despite the fact that I would like the pace of change to be quicker, there has still been a large number of changes made. In fact, there are six organisations that have oversight of Corrections, and since October 2017 there have been almost 3,000 recommendations made, of which over 80 percent have been completed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f6daf7f86424390a1bac267fb3c12eb\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: How embarrassing is it for the Minister that the Corrections union is presenting pens to guests inscribed with \u201CWhere\u2019s Kelvin?\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5b3d672253d4eab8646655fb227d10a\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: How embarrassing is it for the spokesperson for the Opposition that in all the time that he\u2019s been the spokesperson, this is the first question he\u2019s asked me, and, secondly, where was he at Estimates?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245671736bf684fcbb8ee02c9ab50d982\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave to table this pen from the Corrections Association of New Zealand, inscribed \u201CWhere\u2019s Kelvin?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1dd9fdcd9fe472ba6a026d9d5a9f412\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022315b56a1c2a9481a987fa5e3c4697b14\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, no, I don\u2019t need that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022802874a3-deca-48b7-9d33-9087058892f5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291d90c59de344c89b8a8144f07517ff4\u0022\u003EHon KELVIN DAVIS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I just wanted to make the point\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022508b844b6aca4e16bc49d3dbde6e40c1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no, no, no\u2014no, sit down. Anything with writing on it can be tabled with the agreement of the House. The member needs to tell me when it was published.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248a02a21-c1ac-4159-8789-485ad614bd01\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c1422c094524581a53c7c4f13094f61\u0022\u003EHon Mark Mitchell\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, all I can tell you is that it\u2019s not readily available to the public; it\u2019s only given to people that front up to the Corrections union.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220bf53b2afdfc424db8275def7cf07206\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, well, I hope we\u2019re not starting a new trend of tabling all kinds and all manner of things. However, I\u2019ll put the leave. Leave has been sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ELeave received to table object.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221b21fbefcc3e4a07908a146a79110364\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Local Government\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022 data-id=\u0022e8986c21a11b47439d4a5ba1437438d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e8986c21a11b47439d4a5ba1437438d3\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT (ACT)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Local Government: Does he intend that in the Water Services Entities Amendment Bill, the powers awarded to the wider population through community priority statements are less than those awarded to local M\u0101ori through Te Mana o te Wai statements, and does he think assigning input on water management on the basis of iwi affiliation will help provide effective and efficient water services?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u0022bcf15ff368004f239478b3adfa39e91d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bcf15ff368004f239478b3adfa39e91d\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Local Government: On behalf of the Minister, the provision of effective and efficient water services continues to be the responsibility of the entity board, which is appointed on expertise, skills, and experience alone. Community priority statements add another tool for communities to have a say on the long-term direction of their water services entity. They are distinct from Te Mana o te Wai statements, which acknowledge the special rights and interests of M\u0101ori in water. These rights were recognised by the Supreme Court and previous Governments on the basis that Te Mana o te Wai statements extend well beyond the activities of just water services entities, give effect to Treaty settlements, are already integrated into our planning system, and do give effect to a Supreme Court decision. As the member is aware, the amendment bill strengthens the voice of the wider population, as he calls it, in the water services entities by aligning them to regional communities of interest and ensuring every district is represented on a regional representative group.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ccd86c00a82442b097b7fbbe34241534\u0022\u003ESimon Court\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister explain how having Te Mana o te Wai protect the mauri of the wai will help provide effective and efficient water services when, according to the Ministry for the Environment, mauri is not defined; it is a Te ao M\u0101ori concept that speaks both to the life energy that flows through all things and the interconnectedness of all things?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df9cac1aa53e40399c7ed50692443c49\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, Te Mana o Te Wai statements reflect the interests and rights of M\u0101ori in water that have been known about and exercised by Governments since 2013. Any member of this House who believes that we can have effective and efficient water services bodies without making sure that those rights and interests are recognised is dreaming.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224998093703ed4973997158c4aa779e04\u0022\u003ESimon Court\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister confident that recommendations made through Te Mana o te Wai statements will improve the efficiency and affordability of water services, and how would he expect those to be prioritised in circumstances where Te Mana o Te Wai statements are contrary to those aims?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280233457d7564390959b693b663616a2\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, as I said in my primary answer, the provision of effective and efficient water services continues to be the responsibility of the entity board which is appointed on expertise, skills, and experience. They will take into account a range of matters, including Te Mana o Te Wai statements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226333a0a4579146f4abdaf956fa987844\u0022\u003ESimon Court\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230dc93aa0e95489b892d1411313ff962\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no more supplementaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224d5377dd7ec540408925203d17d92898\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Housing (M\u0101ori Housing)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022 data-id=\u002270ead74840e94edf9a18d3edb8272f02\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002270ead74840e94edf9a18d3edb8272f02\u0022\u003ETAMA POTAKA (National\u2014Hamilton West)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Housing (M\u0101ori Housing): E hia ng\u0101 k\u0101inga hou kua whakaritea ki te h\u014Dtaka Whai K\u0101inga Oranga, \u0101, tokohia ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau kua h\u016Bnuku atu ki aua k\u0101inga m\u0101 te h\u014Dtaka r\u0101?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E[How many new homes have been contracted through the Whai K\u0101inga Whai Oranga programme, and how many wh\u0101nau M\u0101ori have moved into homes completed through the programme?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u00223a774be8adf74fdf859e0c32a81e88fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223a774be8adf74fdf859e0c32a81e88fa\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Associate Minister of Housing (M\u0101ori Housing)):\u003C/span\u003E That\u2019s a beautiful question. I want to thank that member for that question, because Whai K\u0101inga Whai Oranga has been one of the great successes of this Government. M\u0101ori housing stands out. I want to thank Minister Megan Woods for all her support. Bringing together Te Puni K\u014Dkiri and the ministry of housing has seen a real change, and we\u2019ve got people all around the country flourishing. I want to thank that member for this opportunity to talk about this, because we launched Whai K\u0101inga Whai Oranga in 2021 and we made it clear that that was a four-year programme to build 1,000 homes for wh\u0101nau M\u0101ori by June 2025. I\u2019m proud to inform that member, who\u2019s been a great supporter\u2014him and his family and his wife. They\u2019ve been great supporters of M\u0101ori housing and M\u0101ori development; I really think he\u2019s been a terrific supporter, actually. I\u2019m proud to inform that member that we\u2019re well on track to deliver on this commitment. To date, we\u2019ve contracted 1,003 homes, with a further 15 homes being approved and they\u2019re in the contracting process, bringing the total approval to 1,018. In response to the second part of the question, I want everyone to understand this because the member was speaking M\u0101ori and quite rightly so. I applaud him for that. But he was asking about how many wh\u0101nau have moved in: 62 at this stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a6a8c0b6f924b2bb74c219d3e18c0d0\u0022\u003ETama Potaka\u003C/span\u003E: He aha te kaute p\u016Btea m\u014D te kaupapa iwi prototypes i raro i te h\u014Dtaka Whai K\u0101inga Whai Oranga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E[What is the Budget allocation for the iwi prototypes initiative under the Whai K\u0101inga Whai Oranga programme?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e0371db9c73420d95808720580c59ce\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: In terms of the p\u016Btea that has been approved so far, in the 2023 Budget we put aside $200 million additional but $150 million specifically for Whai K\u0101inga Whai Oranga so that we could support the p\u016Btea that was put aside in 2021, which was $700 million. The National Government never put aside one cent\u2014they never put aside one cent in terms of by M\u0101ori, for M\u0101ori programmes. Again, I want to thank ourselves for this brilliant strategy\u2014in particular, Minister Megan Woods, Minister Grant Robertson, Minister Kelvin Davis, who have started this innovative and brilliant, brilliant programme that we\u2019ve never ever seen before from any other Government in history. As well as that, there\u2019s incredible M\u0101ori providers that that member has supported. We\u2019ve got Toitu Tairawhiti with Willie Te Aho on the East Coast. We\u2019ve got Ka Uruora with Jamie\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a437fafe7c5e4ddeb0dacb3f73351aeb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I ask the Minister to wind up his speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d157300b4314f03ae7b70f12b67436d\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Can I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbf517e8efa5454faade630f97ef84f8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ve answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e74178a809044c0858fbc55f0cd73fb\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299fbb68eb6bb45d39ac179a2a3b3b81d\u0022\u003ETama Potaka\u003C/span\u003E: E hia ng\u0101 k\u0101inga hou kua oti te hang\u0101 ake i t\u014D te kaupapa iwi prototypes, \u0101, e m\u0101kona ana t\u014D ng\u0101kau i t\u0113r\u0101 nama?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E[How many new homes have been built under the iwi prototypes initiative, and is that satisfactory to you?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253ee79833dec4953876373fc27832793\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Kei te harikoa taku ng\u0101kau i t\u0113nei w\u0101, e hoa, harikoa. Kei te tino whakah\u012Bh\u012B m\u0101tou, n\u0101 te mea he tino rawe t\u0101 m\u0101tou rautaki e p\u0101 ana ki te hanga whare. E mihi ana ki te Minita, ki a Megan Woods m\u014D tana kaha ki te k\u014Dkiri i t\u0113nei kaupapa me te Minita m\u014D te p\u016Btea, Grant Robertson me Kelvin Davis. Kei te tino whakah\u012Bh\u012B t\u014D m\u0101tou k\u0101hui M\u0101ori. E mihi ana ki a koe, e hoa m\u014D t\u014D tautoko ki a m\u0101tou i ng\u0101 w\u0101 katoa. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[My heart is happy at this point, my friend. We are very proud because our strategy for building houses is a good one. I acknowledge the Minister Megan Woods for her hard work in leading this initiative, and to the finance Minister, Grant Robertson, and Kelvin Davis. Our M\u0101ori caucus is very proud. I acknowledge you, my friend, for your unwavering support. Thank you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc7028dc90e2488aaa20e764d5557d9f\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. That was a great reply, and congratulated just about everybody on the Labour front bench, but it didn\u2019t answer the question of how many have been completed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022565c1387325d4075a30c6133957f027e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, that\u2019s correct. It wasn\u2019t. Do you want to ask it again? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf9f34cf82c6412cb7b1b96c5d9fe8be\u0022\u003EHon Nanaia Mahuta\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220da41f8fc2f04ecbb782e15bb6836cf6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, no. I\u2019m going to give Tama Potaka the opportunity to ask the question again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f017d4cd3a246fca9a0ad0f00554977\u0022\u003ETama Potaka\u003C/span\u003E: Ka pai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256426b7a9d9b4bc1b772b5e73365b49c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Order! In silence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281011ce565554a099a126ee7044cdf21\u0022\u003ETama Potaka\u003C/span\u003E: E hia k\u0113 ng\u0101 k\u0101inga hou kua oti te hang\u0101 ake i t\u014D te kaupapa iwi prototypes, \u0101, e m\u0101kona ana t\u014D ng\u0101kau i te nama r\u0101?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E[How many new houses have been built as a result of the iwi prototypes initiative, and are you satisfied with that number?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fa843d971f445e4b0fefff9dc895ac2\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: In terms of the numbers, in terms of the iwi prototypes, and in terms of where we\u2019re working in terms of Whai K\u0101inga Whai Oranga, I\u2019ll go through the numbers for everyone. I want to go through all the numbers: 517 of 1,018 homes have been approved or contracted or have resource consent; 246 have commenced build; and 62 homes have been built and received code completion\u201462 homes. Now, you can rubbish that, but we started at the end of 2021. We\u2019ve made a start. There was no strategy from Tama Potaka\u2019s National Party and I know that\u2019s why he\u2019s asking the question\u2014to embarrass his colleagues\u2014and I thank you for the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b13cc3d86a84c9eaf0cad7200c2e9e2\u0022\u003EHon Nanaia Mahuta\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister confirm that by partnering with iwi, Whai K\u0101inga Whai Oranga enables the Government to increase housing options on whenua M\u0101ori or by leveraging the M\u0101ori asset base?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d089280096f74d289fd62f71c642340c\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely. The reality is that the funding provided by Whai K\u0101inga Whai Oranga is a grant and that funding can be used by those M\u0101ori housing providers to either employ local M\u0101ori directly or support other local M\u0101ori businesses. The beauty about the strategy is it\u2019s not just about a house. It\u2019s just not about a k\u0101inga. It\u2019s about a whole new lifestyle. We bring in employment around these people. We also get them to learn their whakapapa, to learn a bit of reo. It\u2019s a whole wh\u0101nau-type approach and it makes us very, very proud as a Government to produce this, and I know Tama Potaka\u2019s proud of us too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022191ef0b7ab8f444c98530d742c5c2965\u0022\u003ETama Potaka\u003C/span\u003E: Kei a wai te whakautu tika? Kei a koe i wh\u0101ki mai ai e ono tekau m\u0101 rua ng\u0101 whare hou kua hang\u0101 i t\u0113nei p\u016Btea. Kei te Minita Matua r\u0101nei, a Megan Woods, i whakautu mai ai i t\u0113r\u0101 wiki i te komiti social services, tata ki te kotahi rau ng\u0101 whare hou kua hangaia mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E[Who has the correct answer? According to what you said, 62 new houses were built using this funding. According to the Minister Megan Woods, she answered last week in the Social Services and Community Committee that nearly 100 new houses were built.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8bd8c7d60994c0c8b526759c745e342\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: E hoa, ehara n\u014Dku te h\u0113, e hoa. E hoa, ehara n\u014Dku te h\u0113. K\u014Drero ki a Megan Woods. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[My friend, it\u2019s not my fault, my friend. My friend, it\u2019s not my fault. Talk to Megan Woods.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EKi ahau [to me] she was pretty close\u2014not too far off a hundred.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f20e27d73f0040369cce8183dbc843bf\u0022\u003ETama Potaka\u003C/span\u003E: E hia ng\u0101 k\u0101inga hou kua hangaia atu ki Ihum\u0101tao?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E[How many new houses have been built at Ihum\u0101tao?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207332262872f4819959ad8d8bbe8d606\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Ihum\u0101tao was a different situation. I have to say I\u2019m proud of the work that has gone on down there, but we have five years\u2014we have five years to produce a result and now we\u2019re about 18 months into this so far. It\u2019s not just about houses; it\u2019s about wh\u0101nau, it\u2019s about communities, it\u2019s about working through, and we came up with an innovative strategy. And do you know what that strategy was? Work with the community, work with the people, and work with Tama Potaka\u2019s relations, and we have done a wonderful job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022321238014e79427fbe4d815ae4469bfc\u0022\u003EHon Michael Woodhouse\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. Another very flowery response but the question was very direct: how many had been built?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022798e2708b5be4f46977c4f08e7753460\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, I think it was addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002298104ecf4aa249a48bbaf3a710d6289a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Commerce and Consumer Affairs\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022 data-id=\u0022c665fdb03f774164b001727084021475\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c665fdb03f774164b001727084021475\u0022\u003EANGIE WARREN-CLARK (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs: What is the Government doing to support the transition to a low-emissions, climate-resilient future for businesses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u00222510f070bc6a4d65aae15bef96a1f27c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222510f070bc6a4d65aae15bef96a1f27c\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E The Financial Markets Authority (FMA) has released new guidance for large entities preparing to make climaterelated disclosures for the first time. These new disclosures are a big stride forward for the climate in three ways: first, they encourage entities to consider the short-, medium-, and long-term risks and opportunities that climate change presents to their businesses; second, it provides the format for a business to demonstrate publicly what its approach to these risks and opportunities is; third, they enable investors and other stakeholders to assess the merits of their approach to climate risks and opportunities that the business has taken. The Government is radically improving the consistency and transparency of business information on climate change, and I commend the FMA for their work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022574b3d4ad46845a5abad1e9b7f780cea\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: What is the purpose of the climate standards?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d5bbd5fc2bc24aa8a9ca9e441a34ec0d\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB\u003C/span\u003E: The overall aim of the Aotearoa New Zealand Climate Standards framework is supporting the allocation of capital towards activities that are consistent with a transition to a low-emissions, climate-resilient future. By entities systematically disclosing reliable information about climate risk and opportunities, the market will be able to make more informed choices about where to invest capital. That is a very good thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231b8ed1cbb8040b4941c70dc4cd94db3\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: How does the new guidance help businesses meet their reporting requirements?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff642b2469e2436fb04012f7f097cfca\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB\u003C/span\u003E: Businesses need to know what records they should be keeping in order to meet these new standards, and the FMA have published draft guidance on this. Businesses can choose to work through the standards themselves, or they may wish to engage an external provider to help them. The FMA has put out an information sheet on what businesses should consider and what questions they might ask before engaging an outside party for this work. Finally, the FMA has published its plan for monitoring, as they move from building the system to operating it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e60c1237-5e2d-4d0a-9678-ab10db67d1b7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022daf7d4f3b8ed42df812086660f92eea7\u0022\u003EAngie Warren-Clark\u003C/span\u003E: What are the next steps in the plan for climate reporting?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022835e8c0819a94aebbe0ad645ef953a27\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB\u003C/span\u003E: Large businesses that are required to report against climate standards are now preparing to do so, with the guidance of the FMA, and I thank them for that work. The FMA\u2019s approach going forward will be pragmatic, focused on outcomes, and will include education to support businesses\u2019 successful transition to the new reporting standards. We all know that we need a low-emission, climate-resilient future, and this Government is making progress to make sure that happens. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d052e825446e4623a21e2cd0abf38b1f\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222cc920b487a44237959493b4f1461504\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022 data-id=\u0022cda68259bc6d43e8a58150abbe3ef48b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cda68259bc6d43e8a58150abbe3ef48b\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I present a legislative statement on the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2bb229d4e094fc2aaa8c47f030bc853\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Kua t\u0101ngia taua tau\u0101ki \u0101 ture i raro i te mana i raro i te mana o te Whare, \u0101, ka kitea ki te pae tukutuku a te P\u0101remata. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[That statement has been published under the authority of the House; also, you will find it on the parliamentary website.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e0094a164ce4e78a152e13c0a6713ac\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW LITTLE\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to consider the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ET\u0101kiri mai ana te ata ki runga o ng\u0101kau m\u0101rohirohi korihi ana te manu kaupapa ka \u0101o, ka \u0101o, ka awatea t\u012Bhei mauriora. E mihi ana ki a koutou kua tae mai i runga i te kaupapa o te r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. E mihi ana ki te hunga mate, haere, haere, haere atu r\u0101. Ki a t\u0101tou te hunga ora t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou, t\u0113nei au, t\u0113nei m\u0101tou te K\u0101wanatanga e mihi ana ki te kaupapa o te w\u0101, Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003E[The dawn breaks on the stout of heart, the birds sing out, the sun rises, it\u2019s the breath of life. Acknowledgments to you all who have arrived here to support this meeting of the day, thank you, thank you, thank you all. I acknowledge our loved ones who have departed, farewell. To us the living, this is I, this is the Government, acknowledging the bill that brought us together, Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s an honour and a privilege for me to be here today to speak in support of the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill. This bill is the next step following the deed of settlement signing by Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui and the Crown here at Parliament nearly a year ago. It has taken many years for Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui to reach this point in their settlement journey. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EFirst, I want to acknowledge the t\u012Bpuna and esteemed members of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui who have since passed on and who are not with us to witness this significant day. I know you will hold their contributions and memory front of mind during today\u2019s proceedings. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui negotiators, Russell Karu and Amelia Williams, for their dedication to their people and this settlement since negotiations began in 2011. I also acknowledge the trustees of the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Trust, the governance entity for this settlement, who, unfortunately, could not be with us here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EOn the Crown side, I want to acknowledge the work of the chief Crown negotiators Michael Dreaver and also the Hon Rick Barker. I acknowledge my predecessor the Hon Chris Finlayson for the work that he did in the initial engagements with Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui and many other Hauraki iwi, and I thank my ministerial colleagues and Crown agencies for their support to achieve this settlement with Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ENegotiations with Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui began at Ngahutoitoi Marae in 2011, when iwi members formally gave the negotiators, Amelia Williams and Russell Karu, the mandate to negotiate a comprehensive, historical Treaty settlement with the Crown on behalf of the iwi. An agreement in principle was reached in 2011, and the deed of settlement was initialled in 2017 and then signed here, at Parliament, in July last year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe deed of settlement records the Crown\u2019s acknowledgment of, and the apology for, the Crown\u2019s breaches of the Treaty in relation to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. Between 1865 and 1868, the Crown confiscated 290,000 acres of land around Tauranga, including lands in which Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui had interests. From 1868, the rangatira Te Keepa Raharuhi entered agreements for gold prospecting and mining on Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui lands in the hope that Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui could retain ownership of their land and gain income from leases in mining agreements. Instead, the Native Land Court processes left Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui in debt, and the Crown\u2019s lease arrangements for mining at \u014Chinemuri did not provide Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui any income from goldmining on their lands. Later, Crown purchasing and the operation of native land laws and public works takings further alienated, divided, and fragmented Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIn 1895, the Crown authorised the discharge of mine tailings, including cyanide-treated waste, into the \u014Chinemuri and Waihou rivers. Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui used the rivers as water sources for washing and drinking, and the poisonous discharges caused illness and, in some cases, death. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003ECrown actions and omissions caused harm to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui communities, wh\u0101nau, hap\u016B, and iwi, and left Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui virtually landless by the 1920s. To put that into context, before the land alienations started, Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui had literally tens of thousands of acres of land. By 1896, that was down to 2,500 acres of land, and then, by the early part of the 20th century, it was just 290 acres. That was the level of devastation of landholdings of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui caused by the Crown\u2019s actions. In the deed, the Crown acknowledges that until now, it has failed to address the longstanding grievances of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui in an appropriate way, and that recognition and provision of redress for these grievances is long overdue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EThe Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill will give effect to the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui settlement package, and this includes financial redress of $6 million, the vesting of seven sites of cultural significance in Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, including Mimitu P\u0101 and Tawhitiaraia, and two sites jointly vested with neighbouring iwi Hako and Ng\u0101ti Tamater\u0101, including Karangahake. The Karangahake area is especially significant to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. It has been described as the manawa, or heart, of their rohe, and I\u2019m pleased their relationship with this area will be recognised by the redress through this bill. The redress also includes relationship protocols with Crown agencies, statements of association for 14 areas of significance, including the \u014Chinemuri River and its tributaries, and enhancing Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui\u2019s ability to participate in resource management processes. It also includes an overlay classification, or whenua r\u0101hui, which provides for the Crown to acknowledge iwi values in relation to Karangahake Scenic Reserve, and, finally, a cultural redress payment for Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui cultural revitalisation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EIn the coming weeks, this country will celebrate Matariki. Matariki represents many things but, most importantly, new beginnings such as the beginning of the new year. In the same way, this first reading of the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill represents a new beginning for Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui and the Crown. While no settlement package could ever fully compensate for such a magnitude of loss, suffering, and prejudice, it\u2019s my sincere hope that this package will provide a foundation for prosperity for Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui and provide a foundation for the Crown to rebuild its relationship with Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui based on trust, cooperation, and partnership, as it should have been many generations ago. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022106966ef-8cc3-434a-9dbe-dd76b708c2a1\u0022\u003EI propose that the bill should proceed without delay to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I commend this bill to the House. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, mauri ora ki a t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u0022d551e6572f2e40a08257a62d1a8cd82e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d551e6572f2e40a08257a62d1a8cd82e\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: Kia ora, Minita. Ko te p\u0101tai kia whakaaetia te m\u014Dtini. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Minister. The question is that the motion be agreed to.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022 data-id=\u0022d5a32b2ec19b473e9cf8cd6ea932aaca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d5a32b2ec19b473e9cf8cd6ea932aaca\u0022\u003EJOSEPH MOONEY (National\u2014Southland):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, huri noa i te Whare nei, he mihi atu ki a koutou katoa. T\u0113nei te mihi nau mai haere mai te iwi o Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, he mihi atu ki a koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Speaker, and throughout the House today, acknowledgments to you all. I am delighted to welcome you all here. Welcome, Tara Tokanui nation, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EI rise to speak on the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill for its first reading. This bill gives effect to certain matters containing the deed of settlement, signed on 28 July 2022 between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. It is the final settlement between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui of all historical Te Tiriti o Waitangi claims resulting from acts or omissions by the Crown before 21\u00A0September\u00A01992. I wish to take a moment to acknowledge the work done by the negotiators; the Crown officials; the present Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Andrew Little; the previous Minister Christopher Finlayson; and all others who have been involved in, no doubt, a big piece of work to get it to this point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EThis package includes an agreed historical account, Crown acknowledgments and apology, a cultural redress of $444,166, financial and commercial redress of $6 million, and collective redress through the Pare Hauraki Collective Redress Deed. The iwi of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui has an area of interest centred around the Hauraki region, and the 2018 census estimated that Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui had 834 members. Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui and Ng\u0101ti Koi traced their origins to Tara, who migrated from Maungatautari in the 16th century. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EThis bill is intended to address the wrongs that have been done in the past as best as that can be done. Always in these Treaty settlement processes there can never be a full reflection of wrongs that have been done in the past, but this is intended to address that as best as possible to provide a base from which the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui can move forward and importantly, create a better future for their iwi and for those who follow and come after them, which is what these Treaty settlement processes are intended to do\u2014and it certainly is my hope that that will be the case here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EWe are supporting this through to select committee. There are a few things that we will wish to seek a little bit more detail on at the select committee, including some of the governance arrangements that are proposed in this, the conservation framework, some of the catchment authorities, and the proposal to transfer ownership of any Crown minerals and lands transferred to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui except for petroleum, gold, silver and uranium. So we will be seeking some more information and clarity, and look forward to hearing from the community and from other interested members, and, importantly, from Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui if they wish to speak at that process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EBut this is an important process; it is an important step forward, and it is good to see that this is able to be progressed towards what is, hopefully\u2014well, what should be the final step in this process in respect of the issues that are addressed in the bill. I do note that Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui is also a member of the Hauraki Collective and will receive collective redress through the Pare Hauraki Collective Redress Deed, which does include other iwi, and there\u2019s no doubt it\u2019s been a very select piece of work in its own right, but that will be addressed separately in another bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EPaeroa and the area around it is a special place. I can say I have been there a number of times over my lifetime and known people who lived there and had a deep connection to the environment; in fact, an old friend of my mum\u2019s was a potter who had a little section just outside of Paeroa and had done a lot of work rehabilitating that land, growing trees, and making some pretty amazing pottery. So I know some of the objectives that are set out in this bill, about improving the environmental outcomes, and the quality of water, etc., will be well welcomed by many in that region, and that\u2019s something that will find a wide community of interest who have agreement on those tenets that this bill does touch on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EI was an army reservist at one point\u2014I\u2019ll just throw this in here\u2014and I did have the privilege one day, on Anzac Day, to go in as an army reservist and present arms to recognise those who have gone before and those who have sacrificed for a country, which, I note, would have been members of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui as well in years past. So I will conclude my contribution, and we will have more to say. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EI do look forward to this and I hope that I have an opportunity to hear evidence when this matter comes before the select committee. These are quite special, these processes, and they are certainly very challenging for all involved. But it\u2019s really important that we are able to resolve these issues as best we can; to put right as best we can in the current time those things that have gone wrong in the past, and to create a solid and enduring basis for people to be able to live good lives going into the future, which is what these settlement bills aim to do. So thank you, Madam Speaker, and with that I will conclude my contribution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022 data-id=\u0022d53854b1dc624d1f9023c1c9efb932bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d53854b1dc624d1f9023c1c9efb932bf\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Speaker. Ng\u0101 mihi o te w\u0101 Matariki hei a koe. As the Minister said, this is the time of Matariki. Matariki is in the sky and that is a time for all of us to look to the year ahead and the possibilities that it brings us, but it\u2019s also a time to reflect on the power of te p\u014D and te whaiao, those periods of time in our metaphysical history as well as our real time at the beginning of the day before the dawn breaks. It\u2019s a time of possibility but it\u2019s also the time of profound darkness and the difference between the darkness and the light is what we notice there with te whaiao, and that time is the time for us to think about those things that we have done, which have wronged the people around us. I allude to those parts of our history as M\u0101ori because it is in all of our whakapapa, because these settlement bills are some of the most important work that this Parliament does. They are the time for the Crown to atone, to say sorry for things we have done that have wronged people, that have hurt generations, and that now we have the opportunity to put right. It\u2019s a real privilege as a member of Parliament to be a part of that process, and it\u2019s not one that any of us take lightly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003ESo to those members of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui who are watching today, I say thank you for the opportunity to be a part of this process, this moment in history for you, and to carry with us our role of stewarding this bill to effect the deed of settlement, which you have entered into with the Crown in good faith, through its final part of the process of lawmaking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003EIf I can take the House to one of the most important parts of this bill, which is giving effect to the agreed historical account in the deed, those historical accounts are a feature of all settlements\u2014as my colleague on the other side of the House alluded to, this bill is a part of a broader collective settlement which is an approach that the Crown elected to take in June 2009, when it was proposed that a regional approach to Treaty settlements for iwi and hap\u016B with interests in the Hauraki region would be taken. The Pare Hauraki settlement is a piece of collective redress which acknowledges the overlapping interests that all of the iwi and hap\u016B have within this piece of land, and that goes along with a sort of shared account of those collective interests. But it\u2019s in this bill that Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui has an agreed account of its history, and so it\u2019s important to recognise that\u2014it might be the most important part of it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003EThese grievances stem back to te raupatu in Tauranga in 1864 to the land which is known as Waimat\u0101, which is the name given by Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui to the land which would become known as the Tauranga Confiscation District. Those lands have been subject to a number of inquiries by the Waitangi Tribunal, and I have a personal connection to those inquiries because my father was involved in them as one of the original historical researchers in the time before he was a journalist. He spent years of his life recording interviews and direct evidence with kaum\u0101tua and kuia from around the region, who told their oral histories and the recollections of what happened in Tauranga to them personally and also to their wh\u0101nau\u2014recollections of trauma that had been handed down to them, and it was something that they carried and they shared with him. He was also responsible for compiling notes from the Native Land Court and writings of the chiefs of the area to the Native Land Court and to the commissioner who was the representative of the Crown in Hauraki at the time. Those reports that the Waitangi Tribunal has compiled\u2014Te Raupatu o Tauranga Moana, the report on the Tauranga confiscation claims; the Hauraki report; the Tauranga Moana report on post-raupatu claims in the Hauraki settlement overlay the claims inquiry. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003EAll of those inquiries have given the Crown and the Minister the benefit of those historical accounts which have been prepared by many people over time, thinking about the legal rights that arise from each of those instances. So that has informed the deeds that have been agreed that we have before us, which this legislation gives effect to. It\u2019s a real benefit to the Ministers when those historical inquires have been done by the Waitangi Tribunal and by the historians who have been involved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003EOne of the letters I spoke of as being evidence in the Native Land Court is recorded in the historical account, and I want to present it to the House as an example of the kind of writings that make the case. \u201CIn October 1869, Te Keepa Raharuhi\u201D\u2014which the Minister referred to\u2014\u201Cwrote to the Native Minister and the Crown\u2019s representative in Hauraki asking them to honour undertakings negotiated at an earlier hui\u201D. He wrote, \u201CE hoa m\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drua. He kupu t\u0101ku kia k\u014Drua, ko m\u0101tou whakaaro kua t\u016Bturu ki runga ki o t\u0101tou whakaaro. E hoa m\u0101, tera pea m\u0101tou e mate i te Hauhau, e ngari kei a k\u014Drua te whakaaro kia m\u0101tou. K\u0101ore hoki e tahi o m\u0101tou i whiwhi i te tika, i enei mo te wahi, e kino ai Te Hauhau kia m\u0101tou. E hoa m\u0101, t\u0113nei ano t\u0113tehi o a m\u0101tou kupu kia k\u014Drua. K\u014D matou p\u012Bh\u012B whenua i roto i te rohe a te Kawana, i te takiw\u0101 o Katikati i tukua e m\u0101tou kia Te Maki i mua. Whaka-ae ana ia i t\u0113nei ra ka tukua atu e m\u0101tou kia k\u014Drua, ma k\u014Drua e whakaputa mai kia m\u0101tou. He oi ano te kupu kia k\u014Drua.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E[\u201CFriends, greetings. I have a message to you both, our thoughts, we have agreed to what us and you suggested. Friends, we may die at the hands of the Hauhau, but we will leave our decisions to you. Not one of us received any rights to this block where the Hauhaus may not like us. Friends, this is another message to you. Our piece of land within the boundaries of the Government, in the Katikati district, we gave to Mackay before. He agrees on this day to give over to you, for you to hand back to us. This is all we have to say.\u201D]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003EThat writing from the chief represented the plight of his people. It is about his fear of attack and of the vulnerability of his people, not only through the land takings\u2014because Crown land was not set aside for his people\u2014but also to neighbours, who in the context of the 1860s when raupatu had occurred, it had destabilised the community of iwi and hap\u016B who were living on the land at the time. So it\u2019s representative of the political strife and the real threat to people\u2019s lives at that time that the Crown was interfering and taking land in an ecology and a community that had been working before that. In the decades before Te Keepa was writing, there had been prosperous trade in the region, but land takings over time and raupatu and then outright conflict had destabilised the society, and that is the context in which he was writing to the Crown\u2014an appeal of working together, of collaboration, which fell on deaf ears. That is part of why the Crown needs to atone for that now. It\u2019s not only the loss of land and loss of life; it\u2019s also the loss of trust that came about during those years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003EI\u2019m proud to be the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, which will consider this bill, and I look forward to more discussions in the select committee about the history which is so important to recognise. I commend this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022 data-id=\u0022c11560bf6db2450181279482645ad2ba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c11560bf6db2450181279482645ad2ba\u0022\u003ETAMA POTAKA (National\u2014Hamilton West):\u003C/span\u003E E t\u016B nei au i runga i te whakaaro, \u201Cn\u014Du t\u014Du piki amokura, n\u014Dku t\u014Dku piki amokura\u201D, me te tautoko hoki i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0113nei w\u0101. \u0100e, e tika ana te k\u014Drero, e taku tuahine, ko te w\u0101 o te Matariki. Engari i mua mai i t\u0113r\u0101 k\u0101hui whet\u016B, ko Puanga t\u0113r\u0101. I muri mai ko Te Atutahi, n\u0101 reira Puanga, Matariki, Atutahi, e mihi ana, e mihi ana.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EHei whakaw\u0101w\u0101hi i \u0101ku k\u014Drero e tere nei i te ahiahi, ko te rau matataki o te aumihi, o te auaroha ki a Whetumarama Wereta. Tautoko ana i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, n\u014D Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, n\u014D Ng\u0101i Te Rangi kua ngaro ki tana t\u0101ne, a T\u016Bmanako. Engari hei t\u0101 te k\u014Drero, n\u0101na ng\u0101 whet\u016B m\u0101rama me t\u0113r\u0101 k\u0101tuarehe tangata kait\u0101, a Matiu Rata, i tuhi mai, i whakarite mai ai i ng\u0101 pepa e k\u012Bia nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101 ko te Ture Treaty of Waitangi 1975. I roto i t\u014D Whetumarama me T\u016Bmanako r\u016Bma whakaata, ehara i te Whakaata M\u0101ori, Whakaata P\u0101keh\u0101, n\u0101na me t\u014Dna ringa tuhi i whai mai i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a Matiu Rata i t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u00A0N\u0101 reira e mihi ana ki a ia me te whakatakoto hoki i te huarahi kei te takahia i t\u0113nei w\u0101 e Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. Mei ka kore a ia me t\u014Dna momo a Matiu m\u0101, ka kore t\u0101tou e w\u0101nanga i t\u0113nei kaupapa i t\u0113nei w\u0101. H\u0101unga ko \u0101na mahi ki te k\u0101hui m\u0101tauranga o P\u012Bkau, ki te K\u014Dmihana R\u014Dera, m\u014D ng\u0101 mahi p\u014Dti, te taonga o te mate, te manawa t\u012Bt\u012B, te k\u0101k\u0101kura o te mahi tatauranga. N\u014D te Paati Reipa \u014Dna whakaaro, engari m\u014D t\u0101tou katoa \u0101na mahi. Kei te mihi atu ki a ia me te whare p\u014Dtae p\u016B\u0101wai mai, ka hui e, ka t\u0101iki e.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003ETe Aroha me Moehau ng\u0101 maunga. T\u012Bkapa te p\u0101taka kai, T\u012Bkapa Moana. \u014Chinemuri te awa. Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui te iwi. Ngahutoitoi te marae. Te Awap\u016B te tupuna whare, me Te Aroha te wharekai. E mihi ana.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EKei ng\u0101 uri whakaheke a Whatihua, t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 k\u0101wai tupuna o te waka o Tainui, tae atu ki a Tara me ng\u0101 iwi taketake a Ng\u0101 Marama, tae atu ki a Tokanui, nau mai, haere mai ki t\u014D koutou nei Whare Miere, ki t\u014D koutou nei whare t\u014Drangap\u016B. Me te mea nei mauria mai \u014D koutou wawata kia p\u016B\u0101wai mai an\u014D ng\u0101 uaratanga me ng\u0101 whakatinanatanga a ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna m\u0101tua. Te whakahohou i te rongo ki t\u0113nei Whakaaetanga Whakataunga i waenganui i a koutou me te Karauna. \u0100e, ko te whakahoki whenua t\u0113r\u0101, ko ng\u0101 whakap\u0101ha me ng\u0101 mihi a te Karauna t\u0113r\u0101, te whakarite p\u016Btea me te whakar\u0101rangi manat\u016B, te whakar\u0101rangi kawenata i waenganui i a koutou me ng\u0101 maikuku o te Karauna \u0101 ng\u0101 rangi ka heke.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EMai i Maungatautari ki Paeroa ki Hauraki, me wh\u0101ki ka tika \u0113nei papa k\u0101inga hei t\u0101piri atu ki ng\u0101 miniti o t\u0113nei Whare: te wai o Rongomai, P\u012Braurahi, Mimitu, Tawhitiaraia, Pouarua, Maramarua, t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 k\u0101t\u016B p\u0101mu nui o Hauraki, te Kura M\u0101ia, \u014Cp\u016Bkeko, Whangamat\u0101, tae atu ki T\u016Bhua, ki te motu r\u0101, te m\u016Brau o te tini, te wenerau o te mano m\u014D ng\u0101 taonga toka, ng\u0101 taonga k\u014Dhatu whakahaehae i te poho a t\u0113n\u0101, a t\u0113n\u0101. Ng\u0101 repo me ng\u0101 wai a waka a Tiki Te Aroha, te puna ora, te puna kai a t\u016Bpuna m\u0101tua ki te p\u014D. Kei ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna te tai o Whakarea. Matarehua Maioro m\u0101, hoki mai an\u014D hei rama, hei \u0101rahi hoki i t\u014D koutou iwi e tere nei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EKua kitea ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga o t\u0113nei momo pepa, te whakariterite mai i ng\u0101 kokoraho a iwi m\u0101, a hap\u016B m\u0101. Kei te whakapono te Karauna me t\u014D koutou iwi ki ng\u0101 h\u012Btori me ng\u0101 hurt-ori o te iwi, ng\u0101 p\u016Btea, ng\u0101 rawa, me \u0113r\u0101 atu o ng\u0101 k\u0101t\u016B ahuatanga, ng\u0101 hononga i waenganui i a koutou me te Karauna. Engari kei te t\u0101h\u016Bh\u016B o t\u014D koutou nei whare tupuna, a Te Awap\u016B, me ng\u0101 pakitara \u0101-whare, e maumahara ana ki ng\u0101 w\u0101 o te heke, ki ng\u0101 w\u0101 o te piki, me te ake ake e tere nei. Ng\u0101 mahi hoko whenua, whakap\u0113hi tangata a te Karauna. \u0112r\u0101 k\u014Drero a taku tua\u2019ine, a taku hoa, a Arena, e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 mahi raupatu ki Tauranga Moana, me te t\u0101hae i ng\u0101 whenua a Tara Tokanui, e mihi ana ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 mahi ki te whakat\u016B rua k\u014Dura ki \u014Chinemuri, ki \u014Cwh\u0101roa, ka kino hoki ng\u0101 mahi o t\u0113r\u0101 rautau, me ng\u0101 k\u012Banga a te k\u014Dti whenua, me ng\u0101 hononga, ng\u0101 mahi t\u0101mana p\u016Btea i waenganui i \u014D koutou t\u016Bpuna me te Karauna. E p\u0113r\u0101 ana ki \u0113te\u2019i atu o ng\u0101 iwi e tere nei ki te Ika a M\u0101ui p\u0113r\u0101 i a W\u2019anganui me M\u014Dkai P\u0101tea, t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga o te t\u0101mana, he mahi kino rawa, ehara i te kino o te reka, he kino te kino.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EKa paitini \u014D koutou awa, ka ngaro hoki ng\u0101 repo, ka pekepeke mai Te Keepa m\u0101, heoi t\u0113 rongo a te Karauna me \u0113nei \u0101huatanga. K\u0101tahi te whakaawa i ng\u0101 m\u0101nia me ng\u0101 repo o Hauraki kua tere atu ki te moana, kua tere atu ng\u0101 wai me ng\u0101 kai. \u0112r\u0101 o ng\u0101 drainage schemes nei ki Hauraki, e hoa, tapu tapu tapu rawa te kite i a koutou i te r\u0101 nei, wetiweti, e hoa m\u0101, wetiweti.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EKa whakam\u012Bharo, ka matakoakoa hoki e \u014D koutou piringa ki Aongatete, ki Karangahake, ki Wharekawa hoki, me \u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 k\u0101t\u016B whanaungatanga i waenganui i a koutou me ng\u0101 iwi katoa o Pare Hauraki. P\u0113r\u0101 i a Ng\u0101ti Hei me Ng\u0101ti Paoa i ng\u0101 wiki ka taha ake nei, me t\u0113r\u0101 iwi taketake a Wiremu Brown m\u0101 ki Ng\u0101i Tai ki T\u0101maki. Me te mea nei, te k\u012B mai a ruahine, te tupuna wahine o Waikato a Te Puea, \u201Cmahia te mahi hei painga m\u014D te iwi\u201D. Ka pai hoki. Te whai mai i a Te Puea, ki te tika mai te utu, hokona. Koir\u0101 ng\u0101 k\u014Drero m\u014D te K\u0101reti o Paeroa e tere nei, e whakatakoto nei hei kura, hei rawa moni \u0101-tau m\u0101 koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EKei te t\u0101rewa tonu \u0113te\u2019i \u0101huatanga o te pire m\u014D m\u0101tou o te Paati Kahurangi, m\u014D m\u0101tou o te R\u014Dp\u016B N\u0101hinara, engari ki t\u014D Te Awa Matua, e tino tautoko ana i \u0113nei mahi, te rere o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, te rere o te haere, ng\u0101 whakariterite kei mua i te aroaro o te tangata. Me ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a taku hoa, a H\u014Dhepa Mooney m\u014D t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EAtu i t\u0113r\u0101 ko ng\u0101 whakahaeretanga i waenganui i a koutou ko Te Papa Atawhai; ki te whai rongoa koutou, me whakam\u014Dhio mai ki a m\u0101tou katoa i te mea ehara i te mahi poka noa, ehara i te mahi hanga noa; he mahi kai tangata te mahi tahi me Te Papa Atawhai. E mihi ana ki a Willow-Jean i t\u0113nei w\u0101 e whakaupoko nei i t\u0113r\u0101 taha o te Karauna.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EE tika ana te k\u014Drero, e mihi ana ki ng\u0101 Minita n\u0101 r\u0101ua hoki i \u0101rahi mai ai i t\u0113nei kaupapa. Ko Kiritopa Finlayson i te tuatahi, engari kua riro i t\u0113nei w\u0101 m\u0101 Anaru Paku te whakahoki i t\u0113nei \u0101huatanga, i t\u0113nei pepa ki mua i te aroaro o ng\u0101 kait\u014Drangap\u016B i t\u0113nei w\u0101. N\u014D reira kei te mihi au ki te Minita m\u014D \u0113nei \u0101huatanga, m\u014D ng\u0101 ker\u0113me M\u0101ori, a Anaru Paku, me te mea nei m\u0101kona ana te ng\u0101kau, e koa ana te wairua o tana hiakai, o tana ngana ki te tautoko, ki te kaha whakahaere i ng\u0101 ker\u0113me i kei mua i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare nei. Ahakoa he mahi kai tangata, he uaua par\u0101oa \u014Dna i t\u0113nei w\u0101. N\u0101 reira kei te mihi atu ki a ia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EK\u0101ore e roa ka whiriwhiri mai, ka kitekite mai i a koutou e whai ana i t\u014D koutou huarahi. Hei whakatauira hoki i t\u0113r\u0101 huarahi, ka kite mai i a Waikato-Tainui, ka kite mai i a Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, ka kite mai i ng\u0101 k\u0101t\u016B iwi katoa o Te Ika a M\u0101ui, whiti atu ki Te Wai Pounamu, me ng\u0101 motu tautoko a Wharekauri.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003ETaihoa ake nei, t\u0113n\u0101 pea, k\u0101ore au i kite i te pounamu L\u0026amp;P, te pounamu R\u0113mana me te Paeroa i roto i t\u0113nei pire, me te whakaaro hoki t\u0113n\u0101 pea k\u0101ore i tau atu t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero i waenganui i a koutou, engari ko te tikanga me ng\u0101 whakatauk\u012B a kui m\u0101, a koro m\u0101, \u201Cm\u0101 mua ka kitea a muri; m\u0101 muri ka ora a mua\u201D. N\u0101 reira ki a Russell, t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 hoa r\u014Dia, ki a Amelia, engari ki a koutou katoa, nau mai, kawe mai i \u0113nei m\u0101nuka takoto ki mua i a t\u0101tou. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E[I stand on the concept, \u201Cyour school of thought is yours, my school of thought is mine\u201D, and I also support the statements made at this time. Yes, the comment is true, my sister, it is now the time of Matariki. But prior to that was that other constellation, it is Puanga. Afterwards it was Atutahi, and so Puanga, Matariki, Atutahi, I greet you, I acknowledge you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003ETo open my statements that will flow this afternoon, effusive acknowledgments and condolences for Whetumarama Wereta. I support the comments, from Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, from Ng\u0101i Te Rangi, she has gone on to her husband, to T\u016Bmanako. But according to the narrative, it was her, alongside that other esteemed gentleman, Matiu Rata, who aligned the bright stars, who wrote and prepared the papers known these days as the Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975. Inside the television room of Whetumarama and T\u016Bmanako, not M\u0101ori Television, mainstream television, it was her and her drafting hand that followed the discourse of Matiu Rata at that time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003ESo I acknowledge her who blazed the path that is being walked at this time by Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. If it wasn\u2019t for her and her ilk, Matiu and others, we would not be debating this topic at this time. That alongside her work with the academic community of P\u012Bkau, the Law Commission, her work in elections, the treasure who has passed on, the determination, the eminent leader in the statistics sector. Her ideas were from the Labour Party, but her work was for all of us. I acknowledge her and the house of grieving that flourishes, assembled and bound in conclusion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003ETe Aroha and Moehau are the mountains. T\u012Bkapa is the food source, the Hauraki Gulf. \u014Chinemuri is the river. Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui is the iwi Ngahutoitoi is the marae. Te Awap\u016B is the ancestral hall, and Te Aroha is the dining hall. Greetings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003ETo the descendants of Te Whatihua, that ancestral line from the Tainui canoe, including Tara and the indigenous people, Ng\u0101 Marama, and including Tokanui, welcome, welcome to your Beehive, to your house of politics. And also bring with you your aspirations so that they may flourish, as well as the values of the forebears, and the implementation. The forging of peace through this deed of settlement between you and the Crown. Yes, that includes the return of land, that includes the apologies and acknowledgments of the Crown, the organising of finances and the listing of various ministries, the alignment of covenants between you and the claws of the Crown in the days that follow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EFrom Maungatautari to Paeroa to Hauraki, it is appropriate to mention these settlements so they are included in the minutes of this House: the water of Rongomai, P\u012Braurahi, Mimitu, Tawhitiaraia, Pouarua, Maramarua, that enormous farm in Hauraki, Kura M\u0101ia, \u014Cp\u016Bkeko, Whangamat\u0101, all the way to Mayor Island, to that island, that inspires the masses, and is envied by the multitudes for the stone artefacts, the stone implements that are used to lacerate the chests of the many. The wetlands and the waterways of Tiki Te Aroha, the fountain of wellbeing, the source of nourishment of our late forebears. To the ancestors of the coast of Whakarea, Matarehua Maioro and others, return to us to light and lead the way for your people that have sailed here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EThe nature of these kinds of papers is easy to see, the preparation of the claims of the many iwi, the many hap\u016B. The Crown and your iwi believe the histories and the hurt-stories of the people, the finances, the resources, and those types of things, the connections between you and the Crown. But the ridgepole of your ancestral hall, of Te Awap\u016B, and the walls of the house, remember the times of the ups and the times of the downs, and the eternity that flows on. The alienation of land, the suppression of the people by the Crown. Those statements of my sister, my colleague, Arena, with respect to the confiscations in Tauranga Moana, and the theft of the lands of Tara Tokanui, I acknowledge you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EThe work to establish gold mines at \u014Chinemuri, at \u014Cwh\u0101roa, the actions of that century are indeed wicked, not wickedly good, but wickedly wicked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EYour rivers were polluted, the wetlands disappeared, Te Keepa and others jumped up and down, but the Crown did not hear these things. Then the drainage of the plains and wetlands of Hauraki that flowed out to the sea, the water and food washed away. Those types of drainage schemes in Hauraki, oh boy, what an amazing thing it is to see you here today, awesome, my friends, awesome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EI am amazed and happy also because of your relationships in Aongatete, Karangahake, and Wharekawa too, and those types of relationships between you and all of the iwi of Coromandel and Hauraki. Like Ngati Hei and Ng\u0101ti Paoa in recent weeks, and that indigenous people of Wiremu Brown and others in Ng\u0101ti Tai ki T\u0101maki. And also, in the words of the matriarch, the female ancestor of Waikato, Te Puea, \u201Cdo the work for the benefit of the people\u201D. So good. Following the example of Te Puea, if the price is right, buy it. Those are the statements about Paeroa College that sails on, established to be an asset, an annual income resource for you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003ESome of the features of this bill are still pending for us of the blue party, for us of the National Party, but according to Te Awa Matua, we very much support this work, the flow of the discussion, the flow of the journey, and the arrangements that are now before us. And the statements of my colleague, Joseph Mooney, about that very thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EAside from that, the management between yourselves and the Department of Conservation; if you find a solution, you must inform all of us because it is not something that can be done off the cuff, it is no simple thing; it is dog-eat-dog working alongside the Department of Conservation. I acknowledge Willow-Jean at this time that is heading up that side of the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EThe comment is true, I acknowledge the Ministers who have lead this work. Initially it was Christopher Finlayson, but it has been left up to Andrew Little at this time to return this thing, this paper before the politicians at this time. So I acknowledge the Minister for this thing, for the M\u0101ori claims, Andrew Little, and also my heart is satisfied, my soul is happy due to the hunger, and the persistence to support, and to strongly manage the claims that are before our House. Even though it is a soul destroying job, he has the strength of a whale at this time. So I thank him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EIt won\u2019t be long before we discuss, before we see you following your pathway. As an example of that pathway, we see Waikato-Tainui, we see Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, we see all manner of iwi in the North Island, crossing over to the South Island, and the supportive islands of the Chathams.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003EHang on a minute, perhaps, I have yet to see the L\u0026amp;P bottle, the Lemon and Paeroa bottle in this bill, and the thought occurs that that discussion hasn\u2019t landed among you, but in the customs and proverbs of our matriarchs, of our patriarchs, \u201Cthrough the work by those leading, those who are supporting are seen; and by the work of those supporting, those that are leading are made strong\u201D. So to Russell, that one of my lawyer colleagues, and to Amelia, but to all of you, welcome. Bring before all of us these challenges. Greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc9187d52ee2472f811950eec97de80c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc9187d52ee2472f811950eec97de80c\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E Ka tanuku, ka tanuku ka tanuku te tihi o maunga nui a h\u0101, he kapo ki te whet\u016B he kapo ki te marama he kapo ki t\u0101tou, kei aku raukura ka riro r\u0101, he tangi ana te ng\u0101kau i te rironga a Whetumarama Wereta \u012Bnanahi nei. N\u014D reira e kui he tika ki te maumahara t\u014D mahi m\u014D Te Ao M\u0101ori, he wahine toa, he wahine matatau, n\u014D reira e kui moe mai, moe mai, moe mai r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[The mountain there yonder has collapsed. Snatch the stars, snatch the moon, snatch humankind as it does, our departed have gone from us. My heart aches for the loss of Whetumarama Wereta only yesterday. Therefore, it is right to pay homage to your tireless efforts for the world of the M\u0101ori, a courageous woman, a wise woman, and so rest well, rest well, rest well in peace.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI want to support the previous speaker in his beautiful poroporoaki. We\u2019re starting off by saluting this kui who\u2019s died, and one of the\u2014as most M\u0101ori members in the House know\u2014most influential kui and M\u0101ori women in recent years, Whetu Wereta. She was a M\u0101ori statistician, whom there were very few of, and had a huge influence in terms of people around Wellington. She trained people like Peter Douglas, which must have been tough, but she also trained Peter Douglas, who\u2019s with the Prime Minister\u2019s office, and Geoff Short, one of our finest bureaucrats. She trained my wife also, and was a mentor for my wife. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI wanted to just mention her today because I was listening to the member Tama Potaka, with his beautiful poroporoaki, and I wanted to tautoko that because some of these kui, some of these w\u0101hine, are very much some of the unsung heroes of Te Ao M\u0101ori. Her husband, of course, was a bit of a star\u2014T\u016Bmanako, as we know. But she was the tuar\u0101\u2014she was the backbone. She was brilliant. A lot of people are going out and I want that member to hoatu taku aroha ki t\u014Dna wh\u0101nau [pay my respects to her family] when he goes out to pay his respects, and she\u2019ll be going to R\u0101tana P\u0101 on Saturday. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EShe was manager for the M\u0101ori Statistics and the Ministry of M\u0101ori Development. She also spent time at the Department of Internal Affairs. She rejoined the Department of Statistics as the general manager, and Whetu served on the New Zealand National Commission for UNESCO. She was a member of the five-person 1985-86 New Zealand Royal Commission on the Electoral System. We salute her, we remember her, and we thank her and her wh\u0101nau for her contribution to this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIn terms of today\u2019s bill, in terms of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, I\u2019m very happy along with other members to tautoko our kaupapa today. While this is the first reading, I think we\u2019re all just making different points. As I was reading through this and looking to the\u2014listening to the Chair and others talking about this kaupapa, I can\u2019t help but be absorbed by the story of the rangatira Te Keepa Raharuhi, who, like many of our people, had faith in the system in 1868, and he entered into agreements for gold, prospecting and mining on Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui lands in the hope that his people Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui could retain ownership of their land, and gain income from leases in mining agreements. Instead, sadly, the Native Land Court processes left Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui in debt, and the Crown\u2019s lease arrangements for mining at \u014Chinemuri did not provide Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui any income from goldmining on their lands. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThat story from that rangatira is replicated in so many settlements that it can bring you to tears. It\u2019s something that when I was going through the settlement, I thought that this story has just been retold and said in so many settlements, and I just want to salute that rangatira\u2019s legacy. He\u2019s someone to remember, and I\u2019ll talk further on this kaupapa as we get into the second and third reading. Tika ana ki te maumahara t\u0113nei rangatira, tana mahi ki te kokiri te kaupapa kokiri te kaupapa i ng\u0101 w\u0101 katoa he poto te k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei wa, Madam Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[It is right to pay homage to this esteemed individual, his esteemed efforts to take charge of this matter, to always carry out the work that needs doing. I\u2019ll keep my speech short at this stage, Madam Speaker. Thank you all very much.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022 data-id=\u0022ae3543e57912455187a7c292ffd1044b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ae3543e57912455187a7c292ffd1044b\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E The ACT Party is proud to support this settlement. The ACT Party supports the concept of property rights, and where one group of New Zealanders find that their property rights have been impacted by the behaviour or the actions of another group, including the Crown, the ACT Party believes that those people whose property rights have been infringed should have their day in court, and, in this case, their day in Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ESo the ACT Party will support this claims settlement bill. I do note that many of the places that the redress\u2014particularly the cultural redress properties and Ng\u0101 Whenua R\u0101hui\u2014applies to are places that many New Zealanders would recognise and enjoy, particularly people travelling regularly from Auckland to the Bay of Plenty and vice versa, through the Karangahake Gorge. So it is of great interest to many people that these places have care and protection, and that is what this bill anticipates.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EIt is also wonderful to see the acknowledgment that the minerals in part of the lands that have been returned to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui are available to be developed, because one thing that New Zealand is blessed with is many minerals, not just gold and silver but others that are absolutely vital as we move into a technology century. If we want to achieve a low-emissions, low-carbon economy, having access to those minerals and being able to derive value from them means that we can create not just economic value but social benefits from the employment that development of those mineral resources allows.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ESo we hope that under the guardianship and care of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, they will find a way to develop the land that is available to them and to enrich themselves and their people for many generations to come. So, with that, I just want to summarise that the ACT Party supports this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u002285ed7d0d4d4a4e9380a34ef4de5df6ec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002285ed7d0d4d4a4e9380a34ef4de5df6ec\u0022\u003ETEANAU TUIONO (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. Ka t\u016B ake t\u0113nei hei M\u0101ngai m\u014D ng\u0101 K\u0101kariki ki te t\u0101piri atu aku nei mihi ki ng\u0101 mema katoa o te Whare. Ki a koutou Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui m\u0113n\u0101 kei te noho i konei ki te Whare nei r\u0101nei ki roto i te ao tiwi te reo irirangi r\u0101nei anei m\u0101tou e tautoko ana tautoko katoa ng\u0101 mihi ki a r\u0101tou m\u0101 kua riro atu ki te p\u014D r\u0101tou an\u014D i whakapou werawera i roto i ng\u0101 tau kia tau t\u0113nei pire ki t\u014Dna \u0101huatanga katoa, n\u014D reira ng\u0101 ringa rehe ng\u0101 ringa whiti ng\u0101 ringa ikah\u0101pai i t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 kaupapa anei m\u0101tou ng\u0101 K\u0101kariki e mihi atu ana ki t\u0113n\u0101 o ng\u0101 kaupapa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EI au e rangahau ana ng\u0101 kaupapa k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire i te mea ko te mea pai ki au kia m\u0101rama te taha o te t\u0101tai whakapapa te taha o te tangata me te piringa ki te whenua m\u0101 runga i t\u0113r\u0101 m\u0101rama ka puta te m\u014Dhio i t\u0113nei mea ng\u0101 ngau kino ng\u0101 t\u016Bkino a ng\u0101 k\u0101wana a te Karauna ki \u0113nei o ng\u0101 iwi kia tino m\u0101rama t\u0101tou ki t\u0113n\u0101 n\u014D reira mihi atu ki a koutou Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui ki t\u014D hitori. I haere au ki t\u0101 koutou nei pae tukutuku kia tino m\u014Dhio au i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero tuku iho mai \u014D koutou nei m\u0101tua t\u012Bpuna.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EI heke a Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui mai i maunga Tautari i ng\u0101 r\u0101 o mua k\u0101tahi ka whakarite p\u0101 me te k\u0101inga tata ki te t\u0101one e t\u016B nei a Paeroa i au i whakaaro ake m\u014D te taha Paeroa i te mea ehara n\u014D taku taha M\u0101ori engari n\u014D taku taha kuki airini i te w\u0101 i te h\u016Bnuku mai \u014Dku wh\u0101nau mai te Kuki Airani ko te t\u0101one tuatahi i noho nei r\u0101tou ko Paeroa. K\u0101tahi p\u0113r\u0101 te nuinga o ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata i hunuku mai i ng\u0101 Airani i heke m\u0101tou katoa ki T\u0101maki Makaurau, n\u014D reira e mihi atu ki a koutou e noho tonu ana ki t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 t\u0101one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EA Tara he p\u0101nga n\u014Dna i te mea ko ia te teina o Te Kauwhata me T\u016Bk\u014Drehu he mokopuna r\u0101tou \u014D Raukawa. He karangatahi a ia ki a Marutuahu. Ki roto i ng\u0101 pire i p\u0101nuihia e m\u0101tou ki roto i ng\u0101 wiki, kua kaha putaputa \u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 ingoa i te mea m\u0113n\u0101 kei te whakaaro t\u0101tou ki ng\u0101 horopaki o Tikapa Moana k\u0101ore e kore he piringa he wehenga he tukinga \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 w\u0101, heoi an\u014D, n\u0101 te t\u0101tai o te whakapapa o te wh\u0101nau o te hap\u016B o te iwi t\u0113r\u0101 te wh\u0101riki e hono i a t\u0101tou ki a t\u0101tou otir\u0101 i a r\u0101tou ki a r\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EE ai ki ng\u0101 rangahau ko te ingoa o Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui he toka an\u014D i whakaaro e te kawenata i waenganui o te awa p\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Tara me te r\u0101e o Ng\u0101ti Hako n\u0101 t\u014D r\u0101tou nei whakapapa ki a Ng\u0101 M\u0101rama ki t\u014Dna m\u0101rena ki a Hoturoa ka mutu ko Tarawa n\u014D Ng\u0101ti Hako me Ng\u0101 M\u0101rama t\u0113r\u0101 ng\u0101 piringa whakapapa. Heoi i au i p\u0101nuihia ki ng\u0101 kino huhua ki roto i te pire mai r\u0101n\u014D i te mea i p\u0113r\u0101 ki ng\u0101 pire o mua kei konei ki roto i t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire i timata ki roto i te pire me te toha atu i waenganui i te tau 1865 ki te tau 1868 ka raupatuhia e te Karauna \u0113tahi 2,090 \u0113ka i ng\u0101 whenua huri noa i Tauranga. Tini te mano o te tangata whenua i \u0113nei whenua, ahakoa te whakahoki a te Karauna te nuinga o taua rohe ki \u0113tahi atu M\u0101ori me te pupuri tonu i \u0113tahi 50,000 \u0113ka m\u014Dna, e p\u0101 n\u014D Tara Tokanui ki ng\u0101 whenua i riro i t\u0113nei raupatu. I te tau 1864 ka hokona e te Karauna \u0113tahi whenua i ng\u0101 poraka o Katikati me Te Puna m\u014Dna i t\u0113tahi atu iwi. Ka riro \u0113tahi whenua o Ng\u0101ti Koi i taua w\u0101 ko Ng\u0101ti Koi ko r\u0101tou i t\u0113nei tauhokohoko. I hoatu whenua ki \u0113tahi atu, ko \u0113nei ng\u0101 p\u014Draruraru ka puta ki t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 ngaukino ki te iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EHaere tonu ka taka te w\u0101 ka kite i t\u0113r\u0101 i roto i ng\u0101 tau ng\u0101 tino raru ki a Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. I te marama 1868 ko ng\u0101 rangatira o Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui tonu \u0113tahi i h\u0101ina i tetahi whakaetanga me te Karauna kia whakat\u016B maina, mahinga koura i \u014Chinemuri. I te tau 1870 ka tono te rangatira o Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui t\u0113r\u0101 tipuna i k\u014Drero te Whare, Te Keepa Raharuhi ki te K\u014Dti Whenua M\u0101ori kia \u0101ta tirohia te taitara m\u014D te \u014Cwh\u0101roa kia whak\u0101etia te mahinga koura n\u0101 runga i t\u0113r\u0101 n\u0101 ng\u0101 imi haere o ng\u0101 nama o te iwi te whai i ng\u0101 tukanga o te k\u014Dti ka p\u012Bkaungia e te iwi te taumahatanga ki runga i t\u0113r\u0101, m\u0101 runga i t\u0113r\u0101 ka iti haere t\u014D r\u0101tou nei mau ki \u014D r\u0101tou nei whenua ki \u0101 r\u0101tou nei rawa. Hei tauira an\u014D mai i te tau 1872 ka timata t\u0113tahi o ng\u0101 \u0101piha o te Karauna ki te utu t\u014Dmua i mua i te whakawhiwhinga taitara ki te whenua ki te tangata takitahi, i a m\u0101tou ka p\u0101nui i \u0113nei pire ko t\u0113nei kaupapa i t\u012Bno kitea. Haramai te Karauna k\u0101tahi ka takitahi te Karauna i te whenua, \u0101 t\u014Dna w\u0101 ka ngaro atu te whenua. I te mea he iwi takitini m\u0101tou te iwi, m\u0113n\u0101 kei te takitahi te whenua, mea rawa ka ngaro haere. I kite m\u0101tou i t\u0113r\u0101 ki roto i ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga ng\u0101 tukanga o te k\u014Dti ki a Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ETae noa ki te w\u0101 kua tino raru an\u014D te taiao, ki \u0113tahi atu kua paru i ng\u0101 toinga o ng\u0101 maina ki roto i te awa ka paru katoa mai i t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga k\u0101tahi ka porot\u016B t\u014D r\u0101tou nei tipuna me ng\u0101 M\u0101ori ki t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga. Me matua m\u014Dhio mai t\u0101tou ki ng\u0101 whakaaro o r\u0101tou m\u0101 n\u0101 te mea kei te noho t\u0101tou i roto i te horopaki o ng\u0101 p\u014Draru o te \u0101huarangi i kite t\u0101tou ng\u0101 paru ki roto i ng\u0101 awa n\u014D reira i whakaaro an\u014D \u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 tipuna i te w\u0101 i whawhai r\u0101tou m\u014D \u014D r\u0101tou nei whenua. Anei an\u014D ko Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. He tauira an\u014D m\u014D t\u0113r\u0101. N\u014D reira me kaha t\u0101tou ki te hoki atu ki t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga kia matua m\u014Dhio mai t\u0101tou, kia tiaki t\u0101tou te taiao ka tiaki t\u0101tou te tangata. Te piringa o te tangata ki te whenua; koira te take e k\u012B ana he tangata whenua an\u014D t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ETe rahinga o \u0113nei pire kua haramai i mua i a m\u0101tou te K\u014Dmiti Whiriwhiri Take M\u0101ori, ehara i te m\u0101ma, he uaua. He maha ng\u0101 aupiki ng\u0101 auheke, he maha ng\u0101 pouritanga ki t\u0113n\u0101 i haere mai i mua i te komiti, n\u014D reira k\u0101ore \u0113nei momo whakataunga kereme e \u0101hei ana te ea i \u0113n\u0101 o ng\u0101 tino p\u014Duri, heoi, ko t\u0113tahi mea pai o \u0113nei matapaki k\u014Drero \u0113tahi w\u0101 tautohetohe k\u014Drero ko te puta o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kia tuku iho ki \u014D r\u0101tou nei mokopuna kia tukuiho ki \u014D r\u0101tou nei tamariki. N\u014D reira e tika ana te k\u014Drero ko t\u0113nei te w\u0101 o Matariki, me m\u0101nawatia a Matariki, me m\u0101nawatia ano hoki \u014D t\u0101tou nei h\u012Btori, te katoa, te h\u012Btori kei raro i \u014D r\u0101tou nei rekereke. M\u0101 runga i t\u0113n\u0101 te m\u0101rama o te tangata ki te h\u012Btori kei raro i \u014D r\u0101tou nei waewae kei raro i \u014D r\u0101tou nei rekereke. Ka taea e te tangata te tino m\u014Dhio ko wai ia, kei hea ia. He aha te take e p\u0113nei ana te iti me te rahi o te whenua kei te M\u0101ori m\u0101 runga i t\u0113n\u0101 ka puta t\u0101tou katoa ki te \u0101o m\u0101rama. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EKi a m\u0101tou ng\u0101 K\u0101kariki, ko t\u0113nei mea Te Tiriti o Waitangi ehara i te kirimana noa ehara i te mea ka haere noa ki te hokomaha ki te tauhokohoko, kao. Ko t\u0113nei mea Te Tiriti o Waitangi he kawenata he t\u016B\u0101papa m\u014D t\u0101tou katoa e noho ana ki Aotearoa nei. Ki runga i te ora ki runga i te pae, ki runga i ng\u0101 whakaaro o r\u0101tou m\u0101 i waitohu i Te Tiriti o Waitangi ki Waitangi i taua w\u0101. N\u014D reira ko ahau an\u014D t\u0113nei n\u014D ng\u0101 Te Paati K\u0101kariki e mihi kau ana ki a koutou katoa ng\u0101 ringa rehe ng\u0101 ringa h\u0101pai o t\u0113nei kaupapa Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, otir\u0101 te Whare t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E[Greetings, Speaker. I stand here as a representative for the Greens to extend a warm welcome to all the members of the House. To you Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, if you are here present or if you have tuned in via the radio station or TV, we are here to support, and to also support the acknowledgments to our loved ones who have been received by the night, and to everyone who gave their indefatigable efforts in the years to settle this bill to its full completion, and so to the experts of this matter here are the Greens in full acknowledgement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EAs I was researching the relevant information regarding this bill, because I think it\u2019s important to understand the genealogy and the connection to the land, through that you will understand the difficulties by the Crown towards these nations, and so acknowledgments to you all, Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, and to your history. I searched up your webpage so that I could fully understand your history from your ancestors. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ESo in the old times, Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui left from Maunga Tautari and then set up their village near the small town Paeroa, which brings back memories regarding not my M\u0101ori side but my Cook Island side, when my families moved over from the Cook Islands where Paeroa was the first town in which they all settled. Then, like the majority of the rest that moved over from the Cooks, we all ended up in Auckland, and so I would like to acknowledge everyone still living in that town. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ETara has connections because he is the younger sibling to Te Kauwhata and T\u016Bk\u014Drehu who are all grandchildren of Raukawa, and a first cousin to Marutuahu. In the bill that I read in the past weeks those names appear often because if we think about Tikapa Moana no doubt there were times of separation, connections and time of strife as well, however, it is through genealogical connections to family, to nations that connects us together. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EAccording to research, the name of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, a rock that the kawenata thought was between the river of Ng\u0101ti Tara and the bridge of Ng\u0101ti Hako, and it was through the genealogy to Ng\u0101 M\u0101rama to her marriage to Hoturoa, also, Tarawa is from Ng\u0101ti Hako and Ng\u0101 M\u0101rama, these are the genealogical links. Moreover, as I read all the bad in the bill from way back, because that\u2019s how it was in all the old bills, in this bill it starts between the year 1865 to 1868, where the Crown confiscated around 2,090 acres of land around the Tauranga region. There were multitudes living around this are, although the Crown gave back most of that land to other M\u0101ori and held on to about 50,000 acres for the Crown, including an area of Tara Tokanui that was confiscated. In the year 1864, the Crown bought some lands in the Katikati and Te Puna blocks for itself from other tribes. Some lands from Ng\u0101ti Koi at that time, they were selling and buying. Land was given to others, these were some of the challenges that the iwi had to go through. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EMoreover, as time went on many troubles came before Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. In the year 1868, the leaders of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui signed the agreement with the Crown to establish a gold mining project in \u014Chinemuri. In the year 1870, the leader who is spoken about in the House, Te Keepa Raharuhi sent to the Native Land Court to carefully look at the title for \u014Cwh\u0101roa to approve the goldmining, and due to that the difficulties of following that rules made it hard on that, and because of that their ability to hold on to their land and assets became difficult. Another example, in the year 1872, one of the Crown officers started to pay early before given the title to the land to the one person, and so, Speaker, when we read the bill this matter is very evident. The Crown came and then they divided the land, in time the land was lost. Because we are a multi-nation people, if the land is divided, in time no doubt it would be lost. We saw that in the court procedures to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ERight up to when the land becomes waste, to others the leftover waste from the mine made its way to the river and due to that it became filthy, and then their ancestor and the M\u0101ori of the time protested. We really need to understand how they felt back then because we sit in the context with different challenges, they saw the waste in their rivers and so that was what they fought for when fighting for their lands. And that is Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. Another example. And so we must be wise to go back to that process so that we are properly informed. So that we take care of the land and the people. The connection of the people to the land; as the saying goes, people are the land. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EThe many types of bills that are presented before us, the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, they aren\u2019t easy; they are hard. There are many ups and downs, and sorrow shown with what comes before the committee. So these settlement claims will not fully satisfy for the difficulties that have happened, however, some benefit moving forward is the discussions to have, and with the children as well. So it\u2019s correct to say give thanks to Matariki, to honour Matariki, and to honour our history under their presence. People can fully understand who they are where they are and why the small and big things are done by M\u0101ori on their land, and through that we are all born to this world of light. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ETo us, the Greens, the Treaty of Waitangi is not only a contract; it\u2019s not as if you just go to the shop to buy things, no. The Treaty of Waitangi is an agreement a foundation for all of us living here in New Zealand. Bonded by love and life, bonded by the people who signed the Treaty of Waitangi during that time. So this is me from the Greens thanking you all the experts and leaders of this kaupapa, Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, thank you all, and also the House, thank you all as well.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022 data-id=\u0022fe3e0909acbd4c76881067b12831c6bb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fe3e0909acbd4c76881067b12831c6bb\u0022\u003ET\u0100MATI COFFEY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to take a call on this, the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill, and here we are again, in this House, talking about historical Treaty settlements. It is an uncomfortable truth for us as members of Parliament to come to this House, representing the Crown, knowing that it was the Crown that actually stripped Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui and many of our iwi across the land of their land, of their language, of their culture, and it\u2019s an uncomfortable truth that we stand here today in this House and try and redress those wrongs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EYou see, this is a shining example of colonisation, and I think that sometimes we don\u2019t really\u2014I think sometimes people that hear that word, they don\u2019t dig into it, they don\u2019t understand it, and so they put up a big barrier. If they were to only understand it\u2014what we\u2019re talking about right here now with this historical Treaty settlement, the uncomfortable truth about the actions of the Crown to alienate a people from their land and from their culture\u2014then maybe there\u2019d be a bit more sympathy out there in Aotearoa for the plight of M\u0101ori. But, unfortunately, there are still some people that will see this settlement, it will pass, and they will still believe that M\u0101ori are getting too much. They will still believe that we should not create spaces and places for M\u0101ori to be able to achieve the rangatiratanga and the mana motuhake that was signed up to in Te Tiriti o Waitangi all those years ago, back in 1840, and that covers the ones that did sign it but also the ones that didn\u2019t sign it as well, because there\u2019s plenty of iwi that didn\u2019t sign it, but they were affected by it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003ESo this for me represents an attempt at trying to bring mana back to the people of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, to bring some redress, for the Crown to be able to accept the part that it played in that whole space, and an opportunity for, hopefully, the wider New Zealand public to understand that actually we\u2019re still not out of the woods. We should be doing a better job of publicising these settlements so that we can share some of the hurt and the pain and the suffering, the loss of housing, the loss of land, the loss of language. We can share that with wider New Zealand so that they actually understand the pain that sits in these documents\u2014the absolute pain.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EFor that reason, I need to read some of the acknowledgments, because I fear as though we don\u2019t do a good job in this House of acknowledging that. I hope that some very intelligent people out there cut this up into little videos and play it out there on social media and share it so that people understand this settlement and the role that it plays in the history and the milestones of the people of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, but also understand that this is part of a long process that we\u2019ve been on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EWhile some iwi have done really well\u2014they\u2019ve settled, they\u2019ve moved on, and they\u2019ve been able to address that historical pain\u2014there are some that are still in the line and there are some that aren\u2019t even in the line that wish they could get in the line. This is k\u014Drero that\u2019s going to go on well past my time here in Parliament, but if there\u2019s one hope that I have, it\u2019s that we do a better job of telling these stories. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003ESo for that reason, I\u2019ve got some time; I\u2019m going to read through some of the acknowledgements that are listed as clause 9 in this settlement bill: \u201C(1) The Crown acknowledges that until now it has failed to deal with the long-standing grievances of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui in an appropriate way and that recognition of, and provision of redress for, these grievances is long overdue. (2) The Crown acknowledges that the Tauranga confiscation/raupatu and the subsequent Tauranga District Lands Act 1867 and Tauranga District Lands Act 1868 compulsorily extinguished all customary interests within the confiscation district, including those of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, and this was unjust and breached te Tiriti o Waitangi/the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles. (3) The Crown acknowledges that it failed to actively protect Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui interests in lands that they wished to retain when it initiated the purchase of Te Puna and Katikati blocks in 1864 without investigating the rights of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, and this failure was in breach of te Tiriti o Waitangi/the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles. (4) The Crown further acknowledges that\u2014(a) Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui wh\u0101nau and hap\u016B had no choice but to participate in the Native Land Court system to protect their land against claims from others and to integrate land into the modern economy; and (b) the native land system caused division between hap\u016B, and the Native Land Court title determination process carried significant costs, including survey and hearing costs, which at times led to further alienations of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui land; and (c) the operation and impact of the native land laws, in particular the awarding of land to individual members of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui rather than to the iwi or hap\u016B, made those lands more susceptible to partition, fragmentation, and alienation; and (d) this contributed to the further erosion of the traditional tribal structures of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, which were based on collective tribal and hap\u016B custodianship of land, and the Crown failed to take adequate steps to protect those structures and this was a breach of te Tiriti o Waitangi/the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles. (5) The Crown acknowledges that\u2014(a) it sought to purchase Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui interests in land blocks before title to the land was [even] determined by the Native Land Court, making payments that sometimes took the form of goods from storekeepers charged against Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui land; and (b) it made these payments despite recognising that they created severe divisions among M\u0101ori of the area; and (c) it agreed to lease the \u014Chinemuri block from some of the owners in 1875 and assumed control of the leased land without the consent of all the owners. All the rents payable to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui were used to repay the advances paid before 1875 even though some of the owners had not accepted any of these advances; and (d) it resumed purchasing \u014Chinemuri in 1877 despite its commitment in 1875 to refrain from purchasing \u014Chinemuri lands; and (e) it used monopoly powers in all negotiations to purchase Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui lands; and (f) the combined effect of these actions was that the Crown failed to actively protect the interests of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, and this was a breach of te Tiriti o Waitangi/the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s a lot in this bill, and I want to thank the people of the tribe that have gotten to this point. And, as a previous member suggested, there are only about 800 of them left. So to them, I acknowledge your pain. I acknowledge their suffering. I acknowledge their kuia, their koroua, their t\u016Bpuna kuia, their t\u016Bpuna koroua that are no longer here to be able to witness this. I wish them the best on their journey, and I hope\u2014I really do hope\u2014that we continue to make strides as a country by acknowledging these past wrongs, by acknowledging the stories, by taking down that wall that some people put up when they hear about colonisation, that uncomfortable truth of colonisation. I hope that our young people, when they\u2019re taught history in our schools, understand their local stories. And I hope that those people that benefited from the raupatu, benefited from the confiscation by the Crown of those lands, acknowledge the history of that whakapapa of that land and how fortunate they are that they\u2019ve been able to build their wealth on stolen land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226590faa0-f76b-4386-84f3-9b06296cc772\u0022\u003EThis is a really important part in the Treaty process. I really hope that we can continue to tell these stories\u2014not just Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, but I think it\u2019s time for us as a country to revise some of those stories as well. Because, I tell you what: once these settlements happen, they get a staple and they go on the shelf. We owe it to the people of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui to do more than just put a staple on it and add it on the list of Treaty settlements. We owe it to their t\u016Bpuna, to the people that were parted from their land, to the people that died fighting for their land to do more. To do more: to be able to enable the people of that land to achieve their tino rangatiratanga and their mana motuhake as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224dee2d44bcf341059ca3db3928e3e9f4\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: The next call is a split call. I call on Todd Muller\u2014five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u00220750d7de63514497ba2c54e1748037d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220750d7de63514497ba2c54e1748037d3\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. Can I just firstly acknowledge the contribution of T\u0101mati Coffey. There\u2019s a strange thing in this place that when we have the moment to reflect on Treaty settlement bills, it tends to bring the best of politicians to the table\u2014from all sides. I think we have heard it today from all speakers, but I think T\u0101mati Coffey\u2019s determination for this House to hear the historical record and the pain that has caused Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui over the years\u2014it was a powerful contribution and I want to acknowledge that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EObviously, the National Party supports this bill, and we will support it as it goes through select committee. But, in the short time that I have, I want to simply continue T\u0101mati Coffey\u2019s contribution by reflecting on some of the actions of the Crown\u2014he got up to about the 1880s.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003ESo, in 1882, the Native Land Court awarded the Crown 31,000 acres of land in \u014Chinemuri for mining\u2014only 3,700 acres were available to non-sellers, and particularly Te Keepa. But, by 1896, Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui were left with just approximately 2,500 acres. I often reflect, in the context of the conversations that we all have today and that people reflect on in terms of their own commercial interests, that it is beyond our ability to comprehend, actually, the pain that that would cause if you applied a modern context to that degree of confiscation. So you are just left with 2,500 acres. But, then, in 1895, the Crown authorises the discharge of mine tailings into the Waihou River and \u014Chinemuri River, including cyanide-treated wastes. By 1900, a Crown official estimates that the local M\u0101ori needed an alternative water supply because the river was polluted and unfit for either human or animal consumption. The Crown eventually initiated a number of schemes to try and control flooding because of the discharge of mining waste into the rivers, causing silt. And all this area\u2014the last remaining land for Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui\u2014was the land that was being affected.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EBut it doesn\u2019t stop there, because, in the early 1900s, the Crown established the Hauraki Plains drainage scheme to drain the swamp and develop it for farming. Through to 1995, the land which Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui had traditionally occupied was taken under the Public Works Act for works related for that scheme. So the 2,500 acres that Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui retained in 1896 was reduced to 232 acres.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EI just want to reinforce the message that has been said, particularly by T\u0101mati today: that it is, in the summary of historical account and acknowledgments and the apology of the Crown, so critical that we\u2014as a Parliament; and broader, actually as a nation\u2014never lose sight of this. I think, again, it was a fair contribution to say that these bills are passed and they\u2019re put into a file somewhere with a staple, and people move on. But, actually, it\u2019s important that we allow that history to always be refreshed and understood that it is still with us today, as we all seek to build a stronger and more prosperous Aotearoa. This doesn\u2019t get wiped from history; it is part of us. It should be acknowledged, and that is the power of what we\u2019re doing today. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022 data-id=\u00222d3cb478516440e8b2163f6adf74fd48\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d14b1afe-2069-41e4-96fa-c8dc81a991a4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d3cb478516440e8b2163f6adf74fd48\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Jenny Salesa)\u003C/span\u003E: I call the Hon Meka Whaitiri\u2014five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022 data-id=\u002291547ade1ea14e60a49e8b5c94abb55c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002291547ade1ea14e60a49e8b5c94abb55c\u0022\u003EHon MEKA WHAITIRI (Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E He mihi tuatahi, e ng\u0101 mate o te w\u0101. E te m\u0101reikura, Whetumarama Wereta, kua hinga, haere i te taha o t\u014D hoa rangatira o T\u016Bmanako haere, haere, haere atu r\u0101. Ko t\u014Dna wh\u0101nau, kua p\u016B\u0101wai, kia kaha, kia maia, kia manawanui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003E[First, acknowledgments to recent loved ones who have passed. The esteemed Whetumarama Wereta who has passed, farewell back to your husband, T\u016Bmanako, I bid you farewell. The family has blossomed. Be resolute, be brave, and be strong.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI was saddened to hear in the contributions today of the passing of Whetumarama Wereta, who was clearly somebody that had a significant role alongside many others in this particular bill that we are reading for the first time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ECan I mihi to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui for the work that they have done in bringing this bill to the House. But I want to add the unjust Treaty process that we find ourselves in, because, at the hands of the Crown, these people\u2019s land, as previous speakers have acknowledged, went from probably in excess of 290,000 acres, which was confiscated, right down to currently 232 acres\u2014that was at the hands of the Crown. Not only did they confiscate their land, acquired their land; they put paru into their rivers, and so I feel very, very saddened for these people, Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. But it is their day. It is their tino rangatiratanga that has brought this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EBut I wanted to acknowledge their hard work and acknowledge the passing of Whetu Wereta. Like many, maybe, in this House, I came to know Whetu as a very young person when I first started in the Public Service. She was inspiring for me, as a young M\u0101ori woman, to claim such heights, and she had such great mana, Whetu, as did her husband, T\u016Bmanako. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo here we are discussing and contributing to a reading of the bill, but its premise is in an unjust settlement process that previous speakers in this House have alluded to. It\u2019s unjust because not only has the Crown taken these people\u2019s land but they determine the process in which we settle, and for Te Paati M\u0101ori, on their behalf, it is important that I put on record that Tiriti o Waitangi is not to be settled. It should never ever be settled, I say to colleagues in this House. We should never have \u201CTe Tiriti\u201D and \u201Csettlement\u201D in the same sentence. It\u2019s about honouring the Tiriti, if we go back to 1840 and the purpose in which it was signed, and that is why it\u2019s important that we acknowledge that it\u2019s an unjust process and an unjust system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge all the work that the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui negotiators have done to get it to this place. I don\u2019t want to repeat what messages other contributors to this bill have said, but in reading particularly the deed of settlement, which gives us broadly how this bill came about, it gives an insight into the historical account. There were a couple of facts that my attention was drawn to that I want to raise in my contribution here, and that is that the deed of mandate, the process in which we acknowledge who is going to negotiate on behalf of this iwi, was signed on 29 June 2011. The agreement in principle (AIP), which is what iwi agree with the Crown are the key areas that we have negotiated for, was signed a month later on 22 July 2011. The deed of settlement was not signed until 1\u00A0June\u00A02017. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022073496a0-73b7-426f-97f8-916bd542b0fa\u0022\u003ESo the question I have to ask is, why did it take six years from AIP to deed of settlement? Perhaps that\u2019s something that the select committee can traverse and perhaps come back to this House on. I support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022 data-id=\u0022809e8a6ab88144b086062b54d8786455\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022809e8a6ab88144b086062b54d8786455\u0022\u003EPAUL EAGLE (Labour\u2014Rongotai):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s my pleasure to speak on the first reading of this, the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill. E te iwi Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa, ng\u0101 mihi nui. Kia koutou. Can I say as a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, it is an honour to speak on any claims settlement bill and it\u2019s certainly been one of the highlights for me personally to work through each and every one of these claims that have come through the committee, this House, and to learn about the grievances but also the facts surrounding some of these, which are often at odds with how history presents itself. So I\u2019m looking forward to taking this through the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EI want to just focus on the big picture here, and it certainly gives effect to the elements of the Ng\u0101ti Paoa deed of settlement signed on 20 March 2021 between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Paoa. You\u2019ll see an explanatory note to the bill states that the deed provides for the settlement of all historical Treaty of Waitangi claims of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui against the Crown. Certainly, the bill aims to address all aspects of the settlement that require legislation, and today is the start of that process in the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EThe settlement outlines, as they all do, the redress, which includes an agreed historical account. Sometimes, these can take some time to get right. The previous speaker talked about the length of time between signing the agreement in principle\u2014the AIP\u2014through to how it lands here. But I know, working through other settlements, that getting an accurate account of history documented as part of this process is very important\u2014getting those Crown acknowledgments right, the apology itself. That\u2019s critical, as is the cultural redress and financial and commercial.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EWhen I look at the package that pertains to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, we know already that it includes $6 million in terms of the financial redress. Those seven sites of cultural significance for Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui include Mimitu P\u0101 and Tawhitiaraia. Those two sites are jointly vested with the neighbouring iwi Hako and Ng\u0101ti Tamater\u0101, including Karangahake\u2014that area, Karangahake, being especially significant to Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. I know that the Minister Andrew Little talked about it being the manawa, or the heart, of their rohe. I\u2019m pleased that their relationship with this area will be recognised through this redress and provided through the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EOne of the things that\u2019s been happening in Parliament of late has been some accords, and I guess those have been good processes for some who have settled, and this redress includes relationship protocols with Crown agencies. An accord of such may be something that they\u2019d like to package to ensure that those things in the settlement are delivered upon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EThere will also be statements of association for the 14 areas of significance. They include the \u014Chinemuri River that enhances Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui\u2019s ability to participate in the resource management process. An overlay classification for whenua r\u0101hui, which provides for the Crown to acknowledge those iwi values in relation to Karangahake Scenic Reserve, and then that cultural redress payment for revitalisation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve talked a lot about the history today, and that\u2019s been valuable in terms of recognising those who have put some work in here. I was at the settlement signing here in Parliament nearly a year ago, and so we\u2019ve heard, also, that it\u2019s taken many years to reach this point. So can I acknowledge the t\u016Bpuna, those members of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui who have since passed but have very much been part of this process and who are not here today to see the start of what will be finalised, hopefully, this term.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the Minister\u2014I\u2019ve talked about the Hon Andrew Little, but also his predecessor the Hon Christopher Finlayson\u2014for their work; their negotiators, Russell Karu and Amelia Williams, because they were the ones who were part of this process since 2011; the trustees of the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Trust, the governance entity for this settlement. They are not here today, unfortunately, but that\u2019s an important part of the process too. Often, there is a change in the governance structure once settlement is made into the post-settlement entity and getting that structure right to deliver on those points I made earlier in terms of the financial redress, the cultural redress, but also to set them up in a way that they will be able to deliver on the promises and to do the things that they want to do in the way that they want to do it. I also want to acknowledge the work of the Chief Crown Negotiator Michael Dreaver and, more recently, the Hon Rick Barker, for their work too; those Crown agencies of Te Arawhiti and others who have worked together to achieve this settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EWhen I look back at when this process first started, it began at Ngahutoitoi Marae in 2011, and along with Russell Koru and Amelia Williams. That, essentially, was when the mandate was made to negotiate this settlement with the Crown. That was reached in 2011, and the AIP\u2014the agreement in principle\u2014was signed in 2017 right here, as I said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EThere are some points in history that I want to reinforce they have been made well. I think one of the saddest things that comes through all settlements is, I guess, the Crown purchasing and the operation of the native land laws together, say, with the Public Works Act, where land is taken, the people are alienated, divided, and fragmented. That certainly was the case with Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui. I think one of the saddest things, for me, is learning that there was some authorisation made by the Crown in terms of some discharge, which would certainly not be allowed to be made in this time in the \u014Chinemuri and Waihou rivers. Those discharges ultimately caused illness and death. It\u2019s not unique, but it\u2019s great that we\u2019re able to be in a position where we\u2019re able to acknowledge those who passed, and, for many, they may not have known why. So, for us to expose, document\u2014and I made mention of getting the accuracy of the history right, because too often these sorts of incidents or the exposure of such incidents are so horrific that there\u2019s a temptation not to ensure that they are put in. This is in the Crown address in terms of its history. I acknowledge both parties for achieving that. The third point on this is that by 2020, Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui was, essentially, landless. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022217f4585-f6ef-408d-9318-8a6b8506920b\u0022\u003EThat, I guess, sums up, for me, the first step in this House of addressing the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill. I look forward to working through this on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5b64e2aaf214a23b29eb7efbb40fa3f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5b64e2aaf214a23b29eb7efbb40fa3f\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON (National\u2014Coromandel):\u003C/span\u003E Well, thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise as the member of Parliament for Coromandel, an electoral constituency area that includes most of the rohe of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui, and it\u2019s an area that I travel through regularly, have come to love, and enjoy its particular nature, its history, and its beauty. But there are scars on that rohe, there are scars on that land, and there are scars that some of my colleagues across the Parliament this afternoon have clearly set out. I\u2019m not going to go further on that matter because I think T\u0101mati Coffey, Todd Muller, and Paul Eagle have done a very good job in that regard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EOne of the slightly strange and perverse historical features of our Parliament is that every word is written down\u2014every word that is spoken in this place is written down for the record and is kept for posterity, and that\u2019s a good thing. Many of those words are wasted words, in many respects. Many of those words, and in too much of the work that we do in this place, are aggressive, are adversarial, are petty in some ways, and are partisan. But when it comes to pieces of legislation of this sort, there is unanimity, there is, I hope, a sense of trying, inadequately, we know\u2014inadequately\u2014but trying, genuinely and sincerely, to right some egregious wrongs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EI hope that in years to come, there won\u2019t just be a staple on a piece of paper in a filed document somewhere; I hope that in years to come, when we\u2019re all long gone from this place, there will be people yet to be born who will come and maybe look at the words that have been spoken in a debate like this, and they will learn something. They will learn something about the process of Treaty settlements, which were originally commenced a long time ago by Jim Bolger and Sir Doug Graham\u2014highly criticised at the time, highly contentious. But, here we are, all those years later, still working our way through this process, still trying to right wrongs, still trying to educate people of my generation and other generations who were not taught the history, who were not taught the background, who were simply told that this is the way things were and that everything was fine, and we know better than that now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EFrom time to time\u2014not recently, I must confess\u2014I have had an opportunity to cycle along the banks of the \u014Chinemuri River. People who will know the Karangahake Gorge will know the road is on one side of the river, and now the cycleway, the Hauraki Rail Trail cycleway\u2014it\u2019s one of the most ridden pieces of the cycleway in the country. It\u2019s beautiful, and I can recommend it and can endorse recommendations for anyone who wants to go and have a very good cycle ride to go and do it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EBut as people cycle through that area, I can\u2019t help but notice the physical scars on the land, and I\u2019m thinking particularly of the Victoria Battery that stands on the banksides there where you can still see the massive concrete cyanide tanks that not only leached but flushed cyanide into the river and polluted it to a point where it could not be fit for either human or animal consumption. That\u2019s very sad because those monuments, that physical stuff, are still there. If you go further up in to where the kilns were burning 24 hours a day, seven days a week, and burning massive, massive quantities of native timber\u2014literally, just raked and pulled out from the hillsides and the hills around the Karangahake\u2014and see those kilns there and the physical scars that are still there as you cycle through this, as I say, very peaceful, tranquil part of the cycleway, it\u2019s a confronting physical aspect of our collective history. Then, more recently, there was the draining of the wetlands and the impact that that has had on the land and the people who occupy it and, sadly, those who are no longer with us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003ESo I want to join with others in this House in acknowledging what now has been a long journey, and when we were debating the Ng\u0101ti Paoa and Ng\u0101ti Hei first reading pieces of legislation only a couple of weeks ago, I reminded the House that the year 2011 is etched into my mind very clearly, because that was the year that I was first selected to be a candidate for Parliament, and then, later in that year, elected. People were saying to me right from that time, early in 2011, \u201CGet ready, the Treaty settlements are coming. The Hauraki Treaty collective settlement is coming. Get ready for it. It\u2019ll be six months away\u2014get ready.\u201D, and then, every consecutive six months for the last 12 years, people have been saying to me, \u201CIt\u2019ll just be six months; it\u2019ll just be six months.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EWell, here we are getting closer to what has been a very long six months, where the people of Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui have been patient, have been generous with their time, and have been very understanding of a settlement process that is by no means adequate or appropriate in terms of the hurt and the payment and the suffering and the history that has taken place. But their generosity of spirit and their patience brings us to the point where we are today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EWe\u2019re a step closer to a formalisation of the process. We\u2019re a step closer, at the end of this debate in a few minutes, to the bill being voted on and then being sent to select committee, where some of the outstanding issues that have yet to be resolved and tested and talked about will take place at select committee, and that\u2019s a good process. Then we\u2019ll come back and have a second reading and then a third reading, and then the bill will be passed to become part of the law of the land. That is, I think, appropriate: slow\u2014interminably slow\u2014but a process none the less.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003ESo, in acknowledging people who in years to come may read some of the words that have been spoken here today, I hope that this is another step along the way to a brighter, better future\u2014a more prosperous, a more optimistic, and a more united future for us all and those that will follow us. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022 data-id=\u00221ea9a6dda9bc4c1fa285082b1c4432eb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ea9a6dda9bc4c1fa285082b1c4432eb\u0022\u003EHon NANAIA MAHUTA (Minister of Foreign Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113nei ka t\u016B au ki te tuku aku whakaaro m\u014D te p\u0101nui tuatahi o te pire nei. Matariki t\u0101puapua, Matariki whanaunga kore Matariki tohu mate. T\u0113r\u0101 a Pohutukawa e h\u0101o nei e t\u014D nei i te tini ki te p\u014D. T\u0113nei me haere wheturangitia atu ra koutou ng\u0101 m\u0101tanga o Tara Tokanui, koutou kei te waka a M\u0101ui, kei te ika a M\u0101ui - te hautupua. Tupua Nuku kia hono atu koe ki te k\u0101hui whet\u016B hau e piataata mai na e whakanikoniko i te waka o Taramainuku. Whatu ngarongaro te tangata toit\u016B te whenua toit\u016B te kupu ko te kupu ki a koutou r\u0101 haere, haere, haere.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EKa tika me mihi atu r\u0101 Tara Tokanui ki a Ngai Te Rangi, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui t\u0113r\u0101 ki a Whetumarama Wereta me t\u014Dna momo kua rongo t\u0101tou te nui o tana mahi i te w\u0101 o te ora hei whakapou kaha kia hiki kia h\u0101pai i ng\u0101 kaupapa m\u014D te iwi M\u0101ori, he ringa rehe he kai rangahau he wahine humarie ki te nuinga o ana mahi. N\u014D reira e Whetu ka hoki ng\u0101 mahara i te wa ka noho koe kei runga i t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 poari hei whakariterite i ng\u0101 t\u016Bru M\u0101ori i raro i te komihana p\u014Dti, nui o mahi ki a m\u0101tou nei. Ko te whakaaro ki t\u014D wh\u0101nau i t\u0113nei w\u0101, ko t\u0101 r\u0101tou nei t\u0101onga ko te w\u0101 ka mahue ake t\u0113r\u0101 pouri. N\u014D reira i t\u0113nei w\u0101 tonu haere okioki e au te moe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EMehemea ka titiro ake ki te rohe whanui o Tara Tokanui m\u0101ma noa te rongo ki ng\u0101 hononga \u0101-whanaunga, \u0101 rohe, ki Hauraki wh\u0101nui tat\u016B atu r\u0101 ki Ng\u0101i Te Rangi, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui \u0101 hipa atu ki te p\u016Btake o te hononga nui ki a m\u0101tou ki Waikato. N\u014D reira e mihi ana ki te nui o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kua puta mai i t\u0113nei w\u0101 te taumahatanga o te whakahaere o ng\u0101 take Tiriti. Ehara t\u0113nei he huarahi m\u0101ma he huarahi tino tino taumaha na runga i te \u0101huatanga o te hitori e rua ng\u0101 w\u0101hanga ki a Tara Tokanui m\u014D te rironga atu o r\u0101tou whenua t\u0113tahi m\u014D te take raupatu ko ng\u0101 mahi o te Karauna kia tangohia ng\u0101 whenua o Tara Tokanui. Te mamae nui e kawea nei e r\u0101tou. Tuarua ko te ture, i raro i te ture o te Public Works Act t\u0113r\u0101 t\u0113tahi an\u014D o ng\u0101 patutanga me ki kei runga i a Tara Tokanui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, ko t\u0101ku ki a r\u0101tou kia kaha kia kaha kia maia i ng\u0101 au piki me ng\u0101 auheke o te w\u0101 kia kaha kia maia ki te whakatakoto tika \u0101 koutou nei kaupapa i mua i te komiti taketake te wetewete i te maha o \u014D koutou nei hiahia whakaaro kaore e kore ka puta mai \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 whakaaro awangawanga i mua i a koutou; \u0113ngari i te mutunga me anga whakamua m\u014D te anamata te tino take ka t\u0101ea koutou t\u0101tou te rapu i ng\u0101 oranga o ng\u0101 take Tiriti. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EKa nui te mihi atu r\u0101 ki ng\u0101 Minita o mua ki a Chris Finlayson o in\u0101ianei ki Andrew Little ar\u0101 ki ng\u0101 apiha o te Karauna ki ng\u0101 kaiwero o Tara Tokanui n\u0101 koutou te mahi nunui hei whakatakoto te nui o ng\u0101 hiahia kei roto ki t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 kaupapa i t\u0113nei w\u0101 tonu. Ka hoki ng\u0101 whakaaro ki te hononga a Tara Tokanui ki to r\u0101tou whenua ki te ia o \u014Chinemuri ki a r\u0101tou nei marae maha t\u0113r\u0101 ki a Ngahutoitoi ko te tumanako m\u0101 ng\u0101 whakatupuranga e kite i ng\u0101 painga e kite nei koutou me mahia kia whakamahi i ng\u0101 painga mo ratou ake ake tonu atu. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003E[I\u2019d like to stand and express my thoughts about the first reading of this bill. Matariki the rainy season, Matariki of the departed loved ones, Matariki the sign of passing. There yonder is Pohutukawa pulling and scooping the multitudes towards the night. Farewell to the wise and noble of Tara Tokanui, everyone on the great canoe of M\u0101ui and the great fish of M\u0101ui, the demigod. Tupua Nuku where you connect to the clusters of stars that adorn and beautify the mystical canoe of Taramainuku. People fade away but the land always remains, and so does the word, and this word I send forth to you, farewell, farewell, farewell. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s also important to acknowledge Ng\u0101i Te Rangi and Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, to Whetumarama Wereta and people of such calibre. We are very familiar with her huge efforts while she was still alive, her efforts to support and advocate for kaupapa pertaining to iwi M\u0101ori, a hard worker, a curious mind, a compassionate woman during her time working. And so, Whetu, I remember the time you sat on the board to manage M\u0101ori seats under the voting commission. We saw you worked a lot. The thoughts at this stage are to your family. What they have on their side is time to heal the sadness. And so, for now, farewell and rest in peace. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EIf you look towards the wider region of Tara Tokanui, you will also see the many kinships and relationships around the region, from wider Hauraki all the way to Ng\u0101i Te Rangi, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and further towards the wider region of my people of the Waikato. And so I want to acknowledge what has previously been said pertaining to the difficulties and issues of the Treaty. This isn\u2019t easy; it is very difficult, especially in regards to the past, in which there were two events that rendered Tara Tokanui without land: one was the taking of land by the Crown to take the lands of Tara Tokanui, the oppression of their people; second was the law, under the Public Works Act, which had major repercussions against Tara Tokanui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI encourage them to remain diligent and brave during the ups and downs of time, and to remain forward thinking when it comes to laying down your case before the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, to calculate and discuss your aspirations, and I have no doubt that there will be times where you will disagree with what has been said before you; however, at the end of the day, you must always push forward for the future is the main concern. Only then will we all see the benefits of te Tiriti. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EI also want to acknowledge the former Minister Chris Finlayson and the current Minister, Andrew Little, and to the officials of the Crown, and to the leaders also of Tara Tokanui, whose huge efforts go unseen. I\u2019d also like to acknowledge Tara Tokanui\u2019s connections to their lands, to \u014Chinemuri, their many marae, to Ngahutoitoi as well, with the hope that the future generation will see the benefits that you wish for them so that you can work towards that goal for ever and ever. Thank you all very much.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220e7e8da2-a6a1-41bb-aeb0-a49be255a293\u0022\u003EBill read a first time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1400265d81c4de5b3c0cd3bf2de7e1d\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is, That the Ng\u0101ti Tara Tokanui Claims Settlement Bill be considered by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EBill referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002281da38f37d61441fa7fb541d026a3e98\u0022\u003EDeposit Takers Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002245424f73659d4241a9ab6b59a1fee4c2\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022 data-id=\u002242246afaead949e2a90176d4cdb1e177\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002242246afaead949e2a90176d4cdb1e177\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E I present a legislative statement on the Deposit Takers Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a5332e212dd488fb43fa9938df9cd8a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fb254cfa05c470db3550e41ea19f271\u0022\u003EHon GRANT ROBERTSON\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Deposit Takers Bill be now read a third time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EThis piece of legislation is the third in the trilogy that emerged out of the Reserve Bank Act review\u2014the first of those widened the objectives of the bank and changed its decision-making processes to be a more modern form of monetary policy decision making; the second of those dealt with the institutional arrangements of the Reserve Bank. This, the third bill, deals with the modernisation of legislation for arrangements for deposit takers\u2014in other words, banks and non-bank deposit takers, such as credit unions, building societies, and retail funded finance companies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003ECan I, at the outset of this contribution, thank everybody who has been involved in what has been a very, very long piece of work. This is a piece of work that began as far back as the end of 2017 and beginning of 2018 when our Government came into office and we set about the Reserve Bank Act review. At that time, it was clear that it was a very big undertaking and that it needed to be split apart\u2014as is being done at the moment, with the third of these three bills. At that time consultation began\u2014and I want to thank everybody who has been involved in that consultation within the broader finance sector and indeed the wider community. I want to especially thank the officials from both the Reserve Bank and the Treasury who have been heavily involved in the drafting work and the redrafting work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EAnd I do, as I did in earlier reading, want to especially thank the Finance and Expenditure Committee, who I believe did excellent work to improve the quality of this bill, and I know that members of that committee will get a chance to talk about that in the coming calls on this bill. In particular\u2014and I do just want to briefly mention this again\u2014the work that was done to alter clause 3 and clause 4 of the bill around the purposes and the principles, in addition to the vitally important and core purpose of the legislation: to ensure we have a stable financial system, that we also ensure that the system has diversity, and that the management of it, the supervision of it, has proportionality. So those principles around stability, diversity, and proportionality now feed through in a coherent way in clauses 3 and 4 of the bill as a result of what the select committee did, and I think that is a really good example of how a select committee can add value to the legislation and can reflect the views of submitters, because we do want a diverse deposit-taking sector that provides to depositors a range of options that are in line with their lives and their circumstances. Equally, we want those to be institutions that are stable and strong and that we can have confidence in, and I think what the select committee did in those changes is indeed quite significant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve dealt with, in other readings, some of the core provisions of this: particularly around the modernisation of licensing, supervision, and enforcement. These are serious powers\u2014and this came up during the committee of the whole House stage a couple of times\u2014these are serious powers that the Reserve Bank has, but they\u2019re important ones, because New Zealanders need to know, if they\u2019ve got money in a bank, credit union, or building society, that that institution is strong, stable, well-governed, and behaving in line with the law. Unfortunately, in our history, New Zealanders have had examples where that hasn\u2019t happened, and in those examples that has caused significant financial distress to a wide range of New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EThis bill makes a strong attempt to create a modernised and rigorous regime, and as I\u2019ve said in a couple of the other, earlier readings of this, earlier in the year, when we saw Silicon Valley Bank\u2014signature bank in the US\u2014New Zealanders rightly raised their eyebrows and said \u201CCould that happen to us?\u201D The thing I can say to New Zealanders is our banking system is more robust and rigorous in how a bank is established. It is more robust and rigorous in that jurisdiction, as it is too in these supervision and in these licensing and enforcement regimes that are covered in this bill. So New Zealanders can have confidence in the system we have, but its legislation that gives them that confidence and underpins it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EIn the remaining time I\u2019m going to take today, I want to talk about what is being created under this legislation, and that is the new depositor compensation scheme. And this is a red-letter day; this is something that has been discussed for years in New Zealand, about whether or not we should do as most other countries do and have some kind of standing scheme for the time when the very, very worst happens and people\u2019s deposits are at risk. Now, I know\u2014and we all know\u2014what happens when you don\u2019t have that scheme: you have an ad hoc response. Invariably, it is the Government that people turn to and say \u201CWell, can you help us out in this situation?\u201D I vividly recall my first election campaign; we had Mr Simpson talking about his. It was Mr Woodhouse\u2019s first election campaign as well in 2008, when in the middle of that, we were faced with these issues. I can recall being at the Labour Party\u2019s launch of its campaign, and Michael Cullen was off to the side of the stage, on his phone, working out what to do in the face of a potential collapse and run. So these are real issues. They don\u2019t happen very often, because our banking system is stable and our financial system is stable, but when they do happen, we want New Zealanders to have confidence that they will be looked after.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003ESo today, when we pass this legislation, we will create that depositor compensation scheme. We\u2019ve again\u2014over the course of that consultation\u2014made improvements in how that scheme is going to operate. We started out with a protection limit of $50,000 for a deposit. We consulted, and out of that consultation it emerged that that wasn\u2019t going to cover enough New Zealanders, so we increased it to $100,000. That means that 93 percent of depositors are covered, and I think, of actual deposits\u2014obviously that number is a bit different, because that missing 7 percent have quite large deposits. But that\u2019s $100,000 in each bank, or in each institution\u2014so if people have spread their money out, they would be covered in the event that it would happen in another institution. So that gives New Zealanders that basic assurance that their money is going to be looked after if the worst thing happens. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EWhat happens from here: when the legislation passes today, the Reserve Bank and the Treasury will enter into a period of consultation around the funding strategy and the levy framework. So yes, this will be levy funded: the levy will be on those deposit takers, and the funding framework for that will need to make sure that the scheme is able to fund itself\u2014and when it does have to pay out, it\u2019s able to manage itself. When we look internationally, this can be done with a fairly modest levy on those institutions, and I hope those institutions will see that as part of their responsibility to be part of a banking system. Invariably, some costs may be passed on to those who are putting their money into the bank, but we hope that banks will be absorb as much of this as possible as part of their licence, as it were\u2014a social one, in this case\u2014to operate in New Zealand. So the piece of work that will take place over the next months will get us to the point that the scheme can be operational in 2024. That will be an important day for New Zealanders to know that that scheme and that backstop is there, and I\u2019m very proud of our Government for having addressed a longstanding issue; a longstanding absence in our framework of the way that we ensure that New Zealanders\u2019 money is looked after, and I look forward to the deposit compensation scheme coming into force.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226007dc96-f459-4cdd-9972-4fde2c994088\u0022\u003EWith that, I am proud of the fact that we have now completed three bits of legislation as a result of the Reserve Bank of New Zealand review. We have a modernised bank; we have a system that is designed for confidence in our financial system and confidence in the way monetary policy is created. This bill contributes strongly to that. I again thank everybody who has contributed to it, and I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022a336547d0bb74d4fa9df6d7a40f611fc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a336547d0bb74d4fa9df6d7a40f611fc\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022695774133c2840c69dc325718cd1e160\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022695774133c2840c69dc325718cd1e160\u0022\u003EHon MICHAEL WOODHOUSE (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Can I begin by joining with the Minister of Finance in his thanks to everybody who\u2019s been involved in this. As he said, it\u2019s been a long journey of over five years. In fact, it\u2019s straddled virtually the term of this Government. I hope it\u2019ll bookend it, but that\u2019ll be over to others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EI was an interloper on the Finance and Expenditure Committee over the last few months and, as a consequence, I\u2019m sure members of that committee will agree that this is a notoriously complex piece of legislation to get one\u2019s head around, and for that reason we needed to rely very heavily on officials and the experts that were advising the committee. I think they did an excellent job in advising the committee, but so too did the committee do a good job in taking that advice and turning the bill into a better shape. It came in in reasonably good shape; it\u2019s come out of that process in better shape.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s interesting to reflect on the fact that when it came in, the winds of change have blown since then. Barbara Edmonds was the chair of the committee; she\u2019s now the Hon Barbara Edmonds, Minister for Economic Development; Ingrid Leary, a member of that committee, is now the chair of the committee. The bill will get Royal assent tomorrow but many parts of it aren\u2019t going to come in for potentially months and in some cases automatically after four years if certain things haven\u2019t happened. There\u2019s every likelihood that we\u2019ll have a new Minister of Finance in that time, maybe a new Minister of Economic Development\u2014well, definitely a new Minister of Economic Development if we get a new Minister of Finance. The point is that the sorts of banking and Reserve Bank monetary policy legislation does need to endure across administrations. It\u2019s important that legislation like this does have broad support across the House, because if there is strong opposition to the things that the Government of the day is doing and we continue to yoyo from a policy perspective across Governments with this important fiscal and monetary in particular\u2014monetary policy framework\u2014then that is not good for banking stability.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EI\u2019m pleased to note that, actually, in our history by and large, certainly in the last 30 or 40 years, we\u2019ve had that. Now, that\u2019s got some caveats in it, I think, as the Minister said. This is the trifecta. The first two bills did have some things that we had some serious concerns about to the degree that it may have been undermining the independence of the Reserve Bank and allowing the Minister of Finance to have perhaps a little more hands on influence than was appropriate. And time will tell whether or not that manifests, but overall, with those caveats, there is broad support. Indeed, the National Party will continue to support the Deposit Takers Bill at third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThe Minister has talked about one of the significant changes that will be brought in by this, and that is the introduction of the depositor compensation scheme, effectively. And this is a really interesting issue. I don\u2019t call it a red-letter day, I think it\u2019s probably slightly hyperbolic to describe it as that, because there is the risk, as had been kicked around by the select committee, of the moral hazard that comes with such a scheme. Indeed, with any investment, whether it\u2019s cash deposits, equities, bonds, buildings, there is always a reasonably high correlation between risk and return. So for those people who are prepared to seek a higher return, the corollary is that there will be a higher risk, and it\u2019s of interest to me to see whether or not this will change behaviour in the retail deposit market once the depositor compensation scheme comes up. It is a caveat, it\u2019s not an opposition to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EI think the other thing that is a bit of a caveat to me in this is the number and extent of powers that are being given to the Reserve Bank during a crisis. It\u2019s really important to imagine what\u2014it\u2019s all very well to pass legislation in times of relative stability in our banking system, but that can be upset. Indeed, Mr Robertson and I did experience that. His Minister of Finance at the time, the late Sir Michael Cullen, was required to put in place the retail deposit guarantee scheme, which the Hon Bill English enhanced and then had to call upon with the collapse of South Canterbury Finance. When that occurred, I was a backbencher. By the time that was being mopped up, I was in Cabinet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThat was a particularly challenging period both for the country and for the Government to negotiate through that period. But the powers that are being given through this bill are quite strong: the powers to suspend debt payments, to negotiate with creditors, to suspend deposit repayments and cancel liabilities to creditors, converting unsecured liabilities to equity. These are quite strong powers. Frankly, if I was a depositor in a bank or a non-bank organisation that was on the brink of collapse, converting my cash into a share is probably not something that I would be particularly enamoured towards. So these are quite broad powers that I hope we don\u2019t test for a very long time, if ever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThe other thing also that has troubled us to some degree is the extent to which the reach of regulation balances that risk with efficiency in the bank and non-bank market. Now, I don\u2019t think that risk is as high as some of the other concerns I have, but it is real that every time we put in place a levy or a requirement, ultimately the costs of that fall on the customer. It\u2019s too easy to say, \u201CWell, the banks make billions of dollars and therefore they can pay.\u201D The fact is they do, but they also have an enormous capital base, and rates of return on capital are not nearly as extravagant as some in the media or in the Government might have thought. Ironically, we\u2019re having a banking inquiry commencing at the moment on the basis not that our banks are at risk, but that our banks are so strong they could be making hyper-profits.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EAnd this is one of the problems with what I call commodity products. If one thinks of things like petrol or cash, in this case, a deposit interest rate, or milk or anything that\u2019s pretty generic if you like\u2014we try and dress them up as different\u2014what happens is that pure competition and pure collusion look almost exactly the same. It\u2019s really hard to tell one from the other. If when returning to Dunedin, Dr Clark drives along Kaikorai Valley Road and there is at that time a price increase in petrol, he\u2019ll notice that all four of the service stations along that road will increase or decrease their prices at the pump at the same time, almost. Now, does one suspect collusion? I don\u2019t. I know that\u2019s because of competition, but it\u2019s really hard to tell the difference. And I think the banking inquiry will sort of run into this challenge that actually the banks that we have are strong and rightly so\u2014we want a strong banking system\u2014but they\u2019re also highly competitive. I hope that the introduction and passing of this legislation doesn\u2019t have the opposite effect of what we want, and that is to reduce the number of players in the market at just the same time as we want to actually increase competition in our banking sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c83012b4-3939-4753-80fc-1956a3e2bd1e\u0022\u003EThe other thing about efficiency\u2014and I see Dr Clark nodding. Although this is a criticism, we do sometimes pass well-intended legislation that has unintended consequences. It\u2019s a score draw in that respect with, I think, the previous Government having passed anti - money laundering legislation that ended up being very, very unwieldy, and I think needs streamlining and simplifying, so too the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act has probably burdened stakeholders to a much greater degree than I think the Minister or the Government anticipated, and there\u2019s still, in my view, some work to do there. I hope we don\u2019t add the Deposit Takers Act to that list of well-meaning but unwieldy pieces of legislation. The good thing, I guess, is that if we do have broad support across the House for the monetary policy framework that we have in our legislation, if there are things that need to be improved in the future, we can. But with that, I have pleasure in confirming that the National Party will continue to support this bill at third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022 data-id=\u0022472706742d7d40d5b5822f8e14cc4672\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022472706742d7d40d5b5822f8e14cc4672\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019d just like to pick up on a couple of points made by the Minister Grant Robertson in the previous contribution around the flexibility, proportionality, and competition, because in fact the issues that the Hon Michael Woodhouse raised around the need for flexibility and proportionality, so that smaller players and a diversity of players in the market can thrive, are exactly the reason that the Finance and Expenditure Committee did make those fairly significant changes both around access to the financial system in terms of the purpose but more particularly around diversity and diversity of provider and diversity of people accessing the players in the market. Because it was our view that this type of more nuanced approach to regulation would ultimately lead to greater competition and that, in turn would lead to more stability. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003ESo it\u2019s interesting that one of the debates we had in the select committee was when we looked at including those elements, there seemed to be an assumption at times from various people that the stability of the financial system and the elements of diversity and access were mutually exclusive, where in fact some of us believe that they do go in the same direction very much for those competition reasons that I\u2019ve just stated. Nevertheless, there is a backstop in the legislation to ensure that if they are at odds with each other it is stability of the financial system that will take primacy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EThe other thing I\u2019d just like to raise is around what will happen now with the standards. The Minister mentioned what would happen henceforth. The conditions of regulation will now be replaced by standards under the Legislation Act 2019, and that means that the work that the Reserve Bank does will go before the Regulations Review Committee. But also the Reserve Bank has undertaken to come back to the Finance and Expenditure Committee, whether under this Parliament or much more likely the next, and we just all wanted that in the Hansard to ensure that they do that, because a lot of the devil will be in the detail, and the proportionality and the functioning of those standards will be really important. We are aware that the Reserve Bank is in effect writing its own rules, so that oversight will be critical. With that, I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00223afc2fb88b854d379a89d2767304cc46\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223afc2fb88b854d379a89d2767304cc46\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (National\u2014Papakura):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m happy to support this bill, and, as the chair of the Regulations Review Committee, I of course look forward to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba90079bda34457ba09c2f0d14b9bc81\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, a great committee\u2014great committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf69405399434c0f8c20aef048f37ab2\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: It is a great speech, thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf483727548c4e78804e80096cfe2fbd\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a great committee\u2014great committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb377ae0fb8c4c19954e9f31a73a0fef\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: A great committee\u2014yes, it is that too, and we have a lot of cross-party support for everything on the committee, normally. The reason that it does need to actually look at all these regulations coming through, and particularly those of the Reserve Bank coming through\u2014and I see Helen White, the deputy chair of the committee here, nodding away, agreeing with me, which is a very good thing to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EWhat we see on that committee, though, from time to time\u2014in fact, quite frequently\u2014is that not every entity whose regulations that we review, and particularly not some Government entities, take the whole process as seriously as we would like them to. So I can assure the Reserve Bank\u2014who, I am sure, is listening somewhere\u2014that we will take a very careful look at their regulations, and particularly at any complaints that we have. We\u2019re very ably assisted on the Regulations Review Committee by the particularly capable officials that we have working with us from parliamentary counsel, legislative counsel, who are, I find, just a delight to work with and very professional. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EIt is good to have this sort of legislation coming through where we have cross-party support. I think this is the sort of thing that the public would expect us to do. It is, essentially, an insurance scheme for depositors, and I think it can\u2014if it works as intended\u2014work as an opportunity to enable other deposit takers to be able to at least compete in some way with the big four Australian-owned banks, which, as we know, are incredibly powerful in the market. They take up about 85 percent of deposits. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s very good to have such big players in the market because of the stability of the Australian economy and the strength of it, but the problem is that, as has been said to me from time to time, they\u2019re always there with an umbrella when the sun is shining, but they\u2019re not always there with the umbrella once the rain starts. I think that that is true, particularly for those people involved in things like property development that have found it very hard to get any funding lines at all at the moment, yet they were there only a few years ago. I think too that we\u2019re seeing those banks move very much towards models that mean that they don\u2019t always finance the industries or sectors that they have in the past because of perceptions around whether or not, they\u2019re, essentially, politically correct to do so. I think that\u2019s a real shame, and that\u2019s why we need to actually have to give a little bit of help to some of those financial institutions and deposit takers to give them a little bit of an even playing field when it comes to being able to take people\u2019s deposits. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThere is a limit, obviously, to compensation of $100,000 per person per institution or deposit taker, so it\u2019s not a blank cheque. Hopefully, we won\u2019t need to use it, but the fact is that we most likely will at some stage, because one of the upshots of the results from the global financial crisis in 2007 to probably 2010 was that a lot of the mezzanine financing that used to be available for people in business and, particularly, development suddenly was no longer there, and so that left them very much at the mercy of the big banks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ECertainly, when I first started practising law, we used to have solicitors\u2019 nominee companies that used to be involved in a lot of lending to developers and others being able to have different terms from banks, but always at higher interest rates because higher risk brings higher interest rates. Those have all mostly disappeared because of the liability for the partners in those law firms if something went wrong, and also the reputational risk as well as the personal risk of having to pay out of their own money as partners in a law firm should they lose money or where there\u2019s been some sort of fraud or something like that by a staff member. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ESo these are all the things that have happened over the years that actually tightened the screws on the ability of people to access financing. It really does mean that when you\u2019re looking at, say, innovation, for instance, or technology areas, it\u2019s very, very hard for anybody to get any funding at the moment from those areas, and I think there\u2019s a real opportunity here for some people involved in the deposit taking and finance areas to look at opportunities for them to be involved in that sort of financing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EBut it\u2019s pretty hard, and I just think it\u2019s like one of those things where sometimes we put a lot of regulations and rules in where we\u2019re trying to protect everybody, and I think that\u2019s one of the things we found with the\u2014what was it called again?\u2014the CCCFA, or the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Act. It ended up with banks turning down people to get home loans because of the numbers of flat whites they had had that day or something\u2014for spending too much, they thought, on coffees. It was ridiculous behaviour, given that, actually, people can adjust their own behaviours. When they\u2019ve got a mortgage to pay as opposed to rent to pay, they can make those decisions. But that sort of nanny State-ism and trying to protect people can actually end up keeping people away from the opportunity to better their own situation and to build their own assets. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ESo I think you always have to be very careful with this, and this is one of the reasons I think this seems to me to be a reasonable response to a situation. I think with the Reserve Bank too, we\u2019ll be taking a very clear look at just how that is being used. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EBut the other thing is we need to always be aware, as we perhaps were on the CCCFA, that sometimes you just have to come back to Parliament\u2014or we have to come back to Parliament\u2014and change the rules if they\u2019re not working in accordance with the way that we anticipate them to do, because whatever we anticipate may not be the way they work. I agree with the Hon Michael Woodhouse that the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act, which I actually had to be the poor Minister to bring it through, finally\u2014what a dreadful piece of legislation. Basically, the European Union was making it really clear that if we didn\u2019t do it, our banks weren\u2019t going to be able to operate in the EU. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s what happens when you\u2019re part of the international world\u2014you know, in the world, you have to actually do these things. But that doesn\u2019t mean to say we can\u2019t come back to it and say, \u201CHow is this holding back businesses, how is it leading to less productivity, and how is it adding more cost?\u201D We should always be open to review, because if every piece of legislation was going to be perfect from now until the foreseeable future, then why would we ever come back with amendments? The fact is that every piece of legislation should be able to be looked to say: is it bringing out behaviours that we expect it to do and is it working well, and, if not, then how can we make that change that is obviously necessary? I think that\u2019s what we need to be open to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003ESo if this piece of legislation doesn\u2019t work out in the way we think it will, we\u2019ll have to come back with an amendment. But I hope that it does work and I hope that we end up with some more competition in the deposit takers sector, but I also hope that we always say to people that they should understand that where there is more risk, there\u2019ll be more interest, and where there is more interest, there\u2019ll be more risk. That\u2019s not a golden rule, but if something sounds too good to be true, it most likely is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022 data-id=\u00227d8788ebe8874073b07810aae4ea139e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227d8788ebe8874073b07810aae4ea139e\u0022\u003EHon Dr DAVID CLARK (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s a delight to speak on the Deposit Takers Bill, which I\u2019ve interacted with at various points in various guises over many years, and it\u2019s interesting to hear other members\u2019 reflect on their connections with it through its long passage through the policy and parliamentary stages.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EI do want to just draw a couple of points that Ingrid Leary, the member for Taieri, has touched on around the proportionality framework\u2014I really support her comments. And I also note the fantastic influence of Dunedin members on this bill\u2014we\u2019ll claim Grant Robertson back\u2014of course, Rachel Brooking and Ingrid Leary both chairing the Finance and Expenditure Committee (FEC), and the Hon Michael Woodhouse making contributions, as you heard earlier. There\u2019s some really good Dunedin input into this bill, and I think it\u2019s the better for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003ESo the bill, as we\u2019ve heard, does some really important things: setting clear objectives for the new deposit taker regime; it sets out the licensing process for deposit takers; it provides the Reserve Bank with power to set standards for deposit takers, it might be capital requirements or liquidity requirements; and it also expands the ability of the Reserve Bank to supervise and enforce the provisions in the deposit takers regime. And of course, much of the debate has focused around or commented on the deposit compensation scheme of up to $100,000 per deposit and per institution. All of those things were a real response to the International Monetary Fund\u2019s review of the New Zealand financial sector regulation in 2016-17. So it\u2019s got a good pedigree and achieves things that we would want to see to make our banking sector more stable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EBut I wanted to just note the proportionality framework that is going to be developed by the Reserve Bank and the fact that they\u2019ve committed to bringing that back in its draft form to receive some feedback from the FEC, probably in the next Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EJust for context, we know that registered banks account for $650 billion in assets in the New Zealand market, whereas the non-bank deposit taking sector accounts for just over $3 billion\u2014it\u2019s a really big difference. Members of that committee felt it incredibly important that the regime really looked at where the risk was and responded in a proportionate fashion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003EI do again congratulate the members the Hon Rachel Brooking and Ingrid Leary\u2014both Dunedin colleagues\u2014for their input into this bill and the overseeing of these changes that have, I think, made the bill stronger and better and, hopefully, more responsive to the needs of New Zealanders. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022 data-id=\u0022fe1affe8ce4c4e43ac8c6f3674af2398\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fe1affe8ce4c4e43ac8c6f3674af2398\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Look, the ACT Party won\u2019t be supporting the Deposit Takers Bill. Damien Smith, our representative on the Finance and Expenditure Committee, has made it clear that ACT is very, very concerned about the moral hazard that a Government underwriting depositors may create. I just want to refresh the memory of the House on what ACT\u2019s primary concerns are\u2014a depositor and a deposit taker isolated from the consequences of risky behaviour, which could increase its occurrence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EEvidence from overseas is that deposit insurance only increases the risk because depositors feel that they don\u2019t need to pay as much careful attention to the nature of the investments that they\u2019re putting their money into, because it creates the sense that, well, the Government will take care of us, the Government will sort it out, the Government will bail out the bank or the non-bank deposit taker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EWhat is a much more important factor in preventing runs on banks where depositors might lose their investments is a strong, credible financial institution, and New Zealand is very fortunate that our four main trading banks are anchored in our neighbouring country, Australia, where they have enormous balance sheets and where they have extensive investments in hard assets, including minerals and resources, to underpin the solvency of their banks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ENew Zealand is a relatively small market with only 5 million people, only 3 million who work, and not all of those are net taxpayers. And yet, the cost of deposit takers\u2019 insurance is going to fall primarily on the Crown. It\u2019s going to require an expansion of Reserve Bank powers, and it\u2019s also going to be funded by levies on deposit takers, which means an increase in cost and a reduction in return.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022897406e0b0e74f2da781a66dce96099e\u0022\u003EHon Dr David Clark\u003C/span\u003E: Not the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022305dbe84ba90450b993647eedbc4e98f\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the Hon David Clark says \u201Cnot the Crown\u201D, but the entire sense that the bill has created\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225bbd9f26-fdb0-4b85-a836-0fc46e1bba3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022350dc9453064489681e7af52130177b1\u0022\u003EHon Dr David Clark\u003C/span\u003E: The sense! The vibe!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229629b70cd4894ad5b95cf7744c8ee76f\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014the vibe\u2014is that the Crown is on the hook, that the Government will take care of you. That\u2019s the moral hazard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EACT believes that strong, credible financial institutions, especially a credible Reserve Bank and a credible Governor of the Reserve Bank, are far more important to ensure that deposit takers and depositors feel confident and are protected than this legislation. That is why ACT would reform the Reserve Bank of New Zealand Act to ensure that the board has appointees that are credible economists with significant financial governance experience. It turns out that the Reserve Bank has been recruiting people and it says explicitly in the recruitment advertisements: no economics experience or qualifications required. So if anything is going to undermine the confidence in our banking depositors and deposit taking institutions, it\u2019s having the sector administered by people who are not in fact economists and don\u2019t have any financial experience. That\u2019s why ACT would reform the Reserve Bank of New Zealand Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ESo ACT will not be supporting this bill, but we look forward, should there be a change of Government, to opening up the discussion again and delivering a far better outcome for New Zealand borrowers and New Zealand investors. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022 data-id=\u0022b5915b24912e4c2c8d173749ccc0f9c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b5915b24912e4c2c8d173749ccc0f9c4\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e te Whare. I\u2019m just going to take a short call on this bill. As I said in my second reading speech on the bill, this bill will finally implement something that the Green Party has called for since 2013, at least\u2014so over 10 years. At that time, Russel Norman was our co-leader and finance spokesperson, and made the point that this type of scheme would be similar to an Australian type of scheme. Far from what the previous speaker said, it\u2019s not actually falling on the Crown. It\u2019s ensuring that ordinary people don\u2019t lose their savings up to $100,000. Their savings are protected in the case of financial insolvency, or a collapse in the financial sector. It ensures that the funds that are available for that are paid by the institutions themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EOf course, those institutions, especially the four largest banks operating in New Zealand, which are not owned in New Zealand, have been excessively profitable for many, many years. This is a sector that cannot fail, it is too big to fail, and takes excess profit and takes\u2014essentially a, kind of, I would say, tax in the way that the parties on the right use the word tax. Like it\u2019s money that New Zealanders are paying, but rather than it going towards public services or public goods that benefit New Zealanders, it\u2019s going to the private shareholders of the banks, and that\u2019s not particularly good for the economy, it\u2019s not good for our people\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a3b831c00414f67b1ae2b93a4c4c3b2\u0022\u003ESimon Court\u003C/span\u003E: It kind of is because then they keep lending us money. I mean that\u2019s the point isn\u2019t it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8d6d82cffa444b0b8611e2ec2bb782d\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: My colleague to the right seems to think that the banks are the ones who are responsible for the society and the good that we have, these private shareholders. And yet, the banks are institutions that exist because of rules made up by people, and at the moment those rules are enabling those shareholders to make excess profit, to make lots and lots of money at the expense of New Zealanders, and, you know, at the expense of the environment in some cases. It\u2019s one thing for something to be sustainable, but it\u2019s quite another for it to take in excess profit. So those are things that are quite clearly defined in the field of economics. I say to my colleague, who I don\u2019t believe has an economics degree, who was previously complaining about people who don\u2019t have an economics study commenting on such things\u2014quite the irony. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EAnyway. Look, the bill is good. It\u2019s brought in the deposit guarantee scheme that we\u2019ve been calling for over 10 years. It\u2019s great that the two largest parties are supporting that. I guess it takes about 10 years for National and Labour to catch up with the Green Party, but that\u2019s fine. We\u2019ll almost be able to make it on climate change since they now admit that climate change exists. Maybe in 10\u00A0years they\u2019ll support policies that actually take action on climate change. That would be good. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EIn terms of the changes that were made during the select committee process, while I wasn\u2019t on the select committee, I was happy to see that there was special consideration given to non-bank deposit takers. I laud the role of credit unions and other types of societies that provide really important access to finance for communities, and the Green Party would like to see a much bigger role for them in our society so that people have access to finance and financial services without having to pay the extra for, you know, the big Aussie-based banks for their senior executives and their board members to have lavish lifestyles on their lavish salaries. For their shareholders to get excessive returns while people are struggling with a cost of living crisis here in New Zealand\u2014struggling with rising interest rates, rising food prices, which are related to rising interest rates. The point is all of these rules are made up by people and we can change them so they work for people and the environment, and let\u2019s do that. That\u2019s what the Green Party wants to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022 data-id=\u00221ab485c62c2d49d18f2de985d875fc0a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ab485c62c2d49d18f2de985d875fc0a\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m going to make a very short contribution. I think I will just go to two points. One, I absolutely agree that the small cooperatives and non-bank depositors have really had their interests protected in this in a way that was the result of the work and the thought of the select committee. What came to us didn\u2019t really have that kind of accommodation and what left did. I think that\u2019s a really good thing, because I belong to one of those, and I think that they\u2019re a very good part of our market.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EThe other point I wanted to make was that this idea of securing deposits has been around for a long time. In fact, in America, they\u2019ve had it since 1933. It has been one of the things that\u2019s made their system more stable at times. I don\u2019t think it was the Greens\u2019 idea; I think it\u2019s a general principle and it\u2019s a good one and it stabilises things. I reject the idea that there\u2019s a moral hazard in doing it. It makes good sense. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u0022c89a6f6fc7c84ad6af0c4c13d6551088\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c89a6f6fc7c84ad6af0c4c13d6551088\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E Look, I look forward to adding a few comments to the top drawer contributions that we\u2019ve had this afternoon on this bill. I appreciate the contribution of Simon Court, bringing in one of the greatest movies, actually, of all time\u2014The Castle\u2014talking about the fact that he didn\u2019t really \u201Cget the vibe\u201D of the thing. Well, mate, that speech of yours \u201Cis going straight to the pool room\u201D\u2014straight to the pool room! It was\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221e7aadf694f46d18359dee89e2a1fbf\u0022\u003EHon Phil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Tell him he\u2019s dreaming.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc5a4436ff4e4c459fc4deccee5b8545\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, exactly\u2014he is dreaming. But frankly, I agree with the comments that have been made. This is not a moral hazard at all; this is sensible legislation, and National and Labour, have actually, you know, collectively worked through it to get it to a good place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the Greens\u2019 contribution by Julie Anne Genter. She is right\u2014every one-in-a-hundred of their ideas is actually worth reflecting on and putting in some legislation. So she is right that the National Party does see merit in this, but I wouldn\u2019t get her hopes up that it\u2019s going to occur again any time soon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s had a very good select committee process. You heard that from the contributions of the members across both sides of the House who have been involved in this bill from its inception. The contributions from submitters were insightful and saw a number of sensible changes that we support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EWe think this actually strikes the right balance between contributing to a stable and efficient financial system, on the one hand, without being overly burdensome on deposit takers. I think it does strike the right balance, we support it, and it\u2019s a piece of legislation that we hope can quickly progress this afternoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221cd33f16-add4-4363-a2d4-f457841a5c4c\u0022 data-id=\u0022711fd08488b54d909cc2182974d66a5d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221cd33f16-add4-4363-a2d4-f457841a5c4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022711fd08488b54d909cc2182974d66a5d\u0022\u003EGLEN BENNETT (Labour\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E I would like to commend the previous speaker, Todd Muller, and I want this to move through quickly as well, as it\u2019s good legislation. Therefore, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253fbee6644e34667baa4156531c3a10e\u0022\u003EHon Phil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u00227f623835bd11487487afece13e27aac7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227f623835bd11487487afece13e27aac7\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that motion be agreed to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f68d1872fb9476ca5789a1508852edf\u0022\u003EHon Phil Twyford\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270eb76cdf1b742eb8d56f0f1e3c8f69d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, we have another\u2014I apologise, Mr Twyford. I call the Hon Phil Twyford.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00223ac78501a3a94e4ab22f9943a442f033\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223ac78501a3a94e4ab22f9943a442f033\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E Unaccustomed as I am, Madam Speaker\u2014a very brief call. I just wanted to say a couple of things. One is just to credit the Hon Grant Robertson for stewarding through this triptych of Reserve Bank reform legislation that modernises one of our most important institutions. This bill is all about the financial stability and the resilience of the system and there\u2019s been some very good work done through these three bits of law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003ESecondly, just to really note that when there are bank runs, when there are financial crises, as there are under capitalism\u2014think to think about the 1997 Asian financial crisis, think about the global financial crisis, the great crash of 1929 is the one in our folk memory\u2014Governments generally are quick to bail out the banks to buy some stability, but generally what happens is that it\u2019s ordinary people who lose their shirts. Ordinary people are the ones who suffer, whose living standards get hammered and assets get devalued when there are big financial crises. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s good about this bill is that at the heart of it is this deposit insurance scheme, which will provide some backup, some confidence, some reassurance to depositors and, in doing so, actually inject some confidence and stability into the system as a whole. So it\u2019s well worthwhile. And I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u0022e7116c1d2c5049eb97e6a6c59297458c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e7116c1d2c5049eb97e6a6c59297458c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, everyone is in support that needs to be to get the Deposit Takers Bill through, so well done to the members of the Finance and Expenditure Committee and to those that have worked on this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThe financial arrangements in New Zealand become more acute when there are difficult times, as we are experiencing at the moment, so people take a greater interest in what their position is at these particular times. To ensure that deposit takers have got some security will be something that they will no doubt be very satisfied to see, and to give them that comfort at this time. They\u2019re also getting reasonably good interest rates at the moment so they should be doubly happy with their position in the banking sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EOne of the big things about the banking sector at the moment, though, is the role of the Reserve Bank, and they have had sustained criticism from this side and for good reason. The Reserve Bank simply got it wrong in regards to COVID and interest rates in the last few months, leading to the last couple of years. Their failure, in many regards, needs the sunlight of this House to really look at it, because if you\u2019re looking at the interest rates\u2014and deposit takers are experiencing high interest rates at the moment\u2014the other side of that is that borrowers are experiencing very high interest rates, and the impact of that on our economy is huge. The role of the Reserve Bank in managing the economy has been something that many people have been disappointed in in the last few years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s all right us passing legislation like this to try and protect deposit takers, but the reality is that the Reserve Bank has a bigger role in actually looking after the economic fundamentals of our banking system and setting interest rates effectively. That is the most important thing in the banking sector\u2014the setting of interest rates and the security available.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EWe support the bill, but we have some concerns around the role that the Reserve Bank has played in the last couple of years. A deposit taker\u2019s guarantee is nice, but a Reserve Bank that actually manages the financial affairs of the country better would be of much more financial support to the New Zealand economy at this time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225cf229a9-8722-46b2-a37e-b528e075be7d\u0022 data-id=\u0022cbd7ff3fe0a6407ab986d481e9071e4f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cf229a9-8722-46b2-a37e-b528e075be7d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cbd7ff3fe0a6407ab986d481e9071e4f\u0022\u003EANGELA ROBERTS (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Speaker. It is a pleasure to rise and take the final call on the Deposit Takers Bill. I do despair as somebody\u2019s who\u2019s obviously had a colleague in the education system who\u2019s failed to teach basic economics to some members in this House. The idea that the sky is falling, there\u2019s moral hazard, and there\u2019s magnificent risk if we pursue this legislation is interesting, given that we were only one of two countries in the OECD that has yet to undertake such a piece of work. So a bit confused there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cf229a9-8722-46b2-a37e-b528e075be7d\u0022\u003EBut, anyway, as we\u2019ve already heard, this bill is about confidence. Confidence is a really important part of our financial system, and confidence that\u2019s actually based on fact really helps to ensure stability. So the deposit compensation scheme helps to give some certainty and fact. When we have that, then it helps ensure stability and certainty and confidence, and it\u2019s sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cf229a9-8722-46b2-a37e-b528e075be7d\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve heard about all the amazing collaboration that has made sure that this bill is as strong as it can be. As somebody who is simply a mere client of a bank, I\u2019m very grateful for all of the hard mahi that\u2019s gone in. Because of that, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022bd6c983812f24b63a4afbfd39c785bbe\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Deposit Takers Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 109\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 62; New Zealand National 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati M\u0101ori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 10\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EACT New Zealand 10.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000465\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002239fe9d13eaa74572a60f7cb05422a502\u0022\u003EWorker Protection (Migrant and Other Employees) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00227d0a2bbec48042f790e4abdb77bda9d8\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000468\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 28 June.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225cf229a9-8722-46b2-a37e-b528e075be7d\u0022 data-id=\u00223e1fa9ca0abf42c6a710e8bc1ba0f435\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cf229a9-8722-46b2-a37e-b528e075be7d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e1fa9ca0abf42c6a710e8bc1ba0f435\u0022\u003EANGELA ROBERTS (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. It is a great pleasure to rise and take a call on this third reading of the Worker Protection (Migrant and Other Employees) Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cf229a9-8722-46b2-a37e-b528e075be7d\u0022\u003EJust like the last bill that we passed, the Deposit Takers Bill, this bill is the third in a series of bills that have resulted from a significant piece of work culminating from the temporary migrant worker exploitation review. We\u2019ve heard a lot of concern in relation to this bill that this is some big heavy-handed thing that isn\u2019t going to solve anything.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cf229a9-8722-46b2-a37e-b528e075be7d\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s actually got to be seen in the light of the suite of reforms that have come into play. This is about making sure there\u2019s an opportunity for low-level intervention; an opportunity to establish a more proportionate and efficient enforcement toolkit for immigration officers to make sure that we can intervene before things get out of hand and exploitation becomes something that is\u2014we\u2019ve heard the stories\u2014really quite awful and unacceptable. It is a sensible thing to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225cf229a9-8722-46b2-a37e-b528e075be7d\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve got three new employment infringement notices that really nip things in the bud. \u201CCan you produce a payslip?\u201D is a very valid question to be able to ask any employer. It\u2019s a legal requirement and it\u2019s really simple, and it\u2019s a really good way of starting to ask questions of employers about the responsibilities that they have. Those low-level, early interventions to help to educate\u2014rather than waiting for things to get completely out of hand\u2014means that it is with great pleasure that I recommend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022 data-id=\u0022a7de16410ff040ac9714d802ecf9307a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a7de16410ff040ac9714d802ecf9307a\u0022\u003EDr JAMES McDOWALL (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to rise on behalf of ACT to take a call on the third reading of the Worker Protection (Migrant and Other Employees) Bill. As ACT has already stated in prior readings, we are going to oppose this bill. The Associate Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety, in the opening statement, said that this is a fit for purpose, gradual infringement regime\u2014or words that effect anyway. I\u2019d just like to touch on a few issues that we have with the bill, as to why we don\u2019t think that is particularly the case. I would also mention that the case that the Minister mentioned at the start of the third reading, highlighted at the beginning of her speech. Sympathetic as I am to that case, that is a situation which is already in breach of the law, in breach of the Immigration Act. These are cases that frequently go through the system, so not something that this bill would especially be focused on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003EThe Minister also, when explaining the justification or need for this bill, stated that immigration officers can only resort to criminal offences. I heard that and I thought, \u201CIt\u2019s almost as if the Immigration Act 2009 doesn\u2019t exist at all if we take that statement literally.\u201D, because immigration officers have significant power. Anyone who has dealt directly with Immigration New Zealand (INZ) over the years will know that that power trip can be quite real, and migrants are often terrified of officials. And that\u2019s not to mention the Labour Inspectorate. With their powers, they can go in there and, effectively, end business operations overnight on a whim if they see fit for right reasons, wrong reasons\u2014whatever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003ERegarding the document request powers\u2014which we\u2019ve labelled \u201Cfishing expeditions\u201D previously and will continue to do so\u2014the idea that requesting payslips and employee records will effectively identify bad employers is quite naive because, in many cases, there will be no documentation or the documentation will be completely falsified, like it is already. I would also ask if such a power of information request will end wage recycling. This is something that is quite common in the migrant space, and especially in cases where the migrant has worked with their employer and has set up this wage recycling arrangement with them, and they\u2019re happy to do that\u2014well, \u201Chappy\u201D is probably the wrong word, but they\u2019ve been put to a point where they have to do that in order to fulfil visa requirements or residency requirements, and so on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003EI would also just mention the lack of the reasonable grounds. I\u2019m kind of in two minds about this\u2014the fact that reasonable grounds hasn\u2019t been covered for these inquisitions. I don\u2019t think, based on my experience with INZ, that it would actually make much of a difference if it is zero or not. If we take, sort of, a more extreme example\u2014look at the dawn raids. And when I say the \u201Cdawn raids\u201D, I\u2019m specifically referring to the 29 of them that have happened since the Government made its apology in August 2021. The Government can have its view of how they want the system to be run, and INZ can get carried away and do things regardless. And not a single application to the national compliance manager was declined in that time\u2014they were all approved. So were those grounds met? Who knows?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003ESo if we look at the Accredited Employer Work Visa scheme, which is a scheme that, in our opinion, will not help with migrant exploitation in the way it\u2019s set up, it has been watered down substantially and has done little to address worker shortages. The scheme is effectively a self-assessment, with little to no review of the employer, and mandates that employers watch some self-help videos that were produced by bureaucrats in Immigration New Zealand. Now, I don\u2019t know how many businesses have actually watched those videos or how many thorough self-assessments have been done, but I suspect not many. If that\u2019s one of the cornerstones to find good employers, then that\u2019s just not reasonable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003EWhat migrants are looking for is a pathway to residency, ultimately. Specifically the skilled migrant category is a big part of that, especially now that it\u2019s reopened. The Government\u2019s announcement, though, of the changes that are forthcoming this year shuts the door on a lot of those migrants who are not considered high skilled, according to the Australian and New Zealand Standard Classification of Occupations system, the antiquated list of occupations that the Government said they were going to stop using, but they\u2019re still going to use it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003EThis will lead to more rule breaking, because suddenly a whole lot of migrants on temporary work visas no longer have that pathway to residency. So therefore, there is a greater incentive to actually infringe the rules and there\u2019ll be more migrant exploitation as a result. The new skilled migrant category has a built-in disincentive for even trying, because if those migrants don\u2019t qualify, their one-time work visa expires and then they\u2019re effectively shut out. They can\u2019t come back; they can\u2019t get another visa. It\u2019s a stand-down period. So I\u2019m not sure how that\u2019s supposed to help with migrant exploitation, but that\u2019s the Government\u2019s immigration system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003ERegarding the publishing of company names, practically speaking\u2014I mean, I\u2019m not opposed to it, but what\u2019s the point? Because at the end of the day, INZ can stop\u2014and it\u2019s in the bill\u2014those employers hiring migrants anyway, right? So it literally says they get fined, they get the infringement notices, they pay the thousand dollars. The thousand bucks to them is meaningless. Really, the point is they can no longer hire migrants. So this public register thing\u2014again, fine. Not opposed to it, but really, what\u2019s the point? So that\u2019s one issue there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003ERegarding the Supplementary Order Paper, we\u2019re pleased to see some focus on this. That was introduced, according to the Minister, to ensure that information obtained from the employer under that section cannot be used by an immigration officer in future to prejudice that application. Now, this is good in theory. Practically, what will it mean for that migrant further down the track especially? They may not use that information right there and then and they may try to help them, as was discussed in the committee stage, to get a migrant exploitation visa\u2014or rather, a work visa or a resident class visa, but further down the track will this actually affect their future applications? Because as soon as something goes wrong with a visa application and you get into sort of appeals territory, it gets insanely complicated and the likelihood of success just diminishes over time. So this is quite tricky. I\u2019d just say, look, compliance officers, immigration officers are human after all, and, you know, they can\u2019t unsee something they\u2019ve seen. So how will this actually roll out? I\u2019m not confident this is going to work very well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003EThe Minister admits that this will not eliminate migrant exploitation, which is a very obvious fact. But the question is: could this make it worse? And I\u2019ll just point out that many nefarious employers who are nefarious in their violation of the immigration system, they\u2019re getting even more sophisticated, and have done so for many years, at getting around INZ\u2019s compliance officers, at breaking the rules, at going undetected. I just wonder if this sort of system is going to actually give them even more reason to get even more sophisticated, because at the end of the day, if you look at the Accredited Employer Work Visa system, it\u2019s a continuation\u2014just like \u201Cessential skills\u201D back in the day\u2014of tying migrants to their employer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003ETo change even role types within the same organisation, they\u2019ve got to go through a bureaucratic process. To change employers, they\u2019ve got to go through an even bigger one. So locking them into that arrangement is a cause of migrant exploitation that I just wish the Government would look into and admit that there is work to do here. And certainly, from ACT\u2019s point of view, we would remove that requirement and, in time, abolish the accredited employer work visa system as a whole, because it is a total rort.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ff1ad5a3-e02a-4ffe-a961-ef69bdaee1c9\u0022\u003ESo, look, we\u2019re opposing the bill. We\u2019ll take the ideology out of the system. We\u2019ll make it simple: a viable option so that businesses can get on with it and that we can finally once and for all eradicate migrant exploitation. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022f208523b29a64a2ab365baa685c33650\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f208523b29a64a2ab365baa685c33650\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise on behalf of the Green Party to support the third reading of the Worker Protection (Migrant and Other Employees) Bill. As other speakers have noted and traversed in the previous readings, this creates a regime to aim to tackle low-level offending, and wraps around other measures to discourage exploitation, and, I think, most importantly, to also create a regime that creates consequences for employers. I think this is what will contribute in this bill to addressing exploitation, particularly the publishing of names of employers convicted of immigration offences. We\u2019re going to have to do a lot more work to prevent the phoenixing of companies who are caught in these offences, but I think that the move towards actually having a register of employers who are caught exploiting workers will actually help create more awareness and accountability in order to send a message to employers that exploitation won\u2019t come without consequences.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThrough the passage of this bill, one of the key things the Green Party raised\u2014and I feel really stoked that we successfully secured amendments to the bill\u2014was the use of information by immigration officials and how that information could be used. It\u2019s really good to see an acknowledgment that, in order to create a robust system, we need to take workers\u2019 experiences and migrant experiences into account, and for this regime to work, in practice, we need to give migrants a certainty that they\u2019re able to raise matters of exploitation without them fearing that they or their colleagues will face adverse consequences. So we do welcome the Minister\u2019s Supplementary Order Paper (SOP), which comes from our own SOP, as the Minister has acknowledged, to tackle this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EBut there are unresolved questions. Look, the ACT Party and the Greens may not have a lot in common on many topics, but the previous speaker, James McDowall, raised some really valid points in terms of having to keep a close eye on how this will end up working in practice. I think that Immigration New Zealand will need to take a really robust approach to ensuring that the SOP will work as intended, because, as Mr McDowall said, once the case manager sees some information, they can\u2019t unsee it. That is so true in terms of, then, what may drive decisions within Immigration New Zealand regarding how further investigations may happen in practice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThe other thing we wanted to touch on as this regime will start being put into practice is addressing the core drivers of exploitation. Yes, again, the consequence component is really, really important, and this bill does go some way towards addressing this, but, ultimately, one of the key drivers of exploitation is how we set up the visa system altogether. I think, unlike the other side of the party that wants to abolish the Accredited Employer Work Visa scheme, I want to make sure that we build it in a way that enables this bill to work as best intended so that a lot of the low-level offences that are being caught by this bill are not a direct result of the way we\u2019ve designed the visa system\u2014right?\u2014because so much of the low-level offences that we see, and, actually, more serious offences that we end up seeing, come from the binding of workers to single employers. That in itself creates the power dynamics and the situations where we end up having a bill like this trying to address some of those offences, right? So I do urge\u2014well, and this will fall on Minister Little more than the Minister in charge of this bill\u2014to address employer-bound visas, so that, actually, we can focus on the offences that come from employers\u2019 behaviour and not because of the way we\u2019ve designed the visa system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EBut, overall, we do support this bill and we do think, actually, that this will be an evolving piece of work, right? We will need to see how the infringement regime actually\u2014whether they\u2019re punitive enough to discourage exploitation happening, whether we need to tweak those settings in the future, whether we are also creating the wraparound support for migrants who are raising exploitation, to enable this bill to happen, and therefore we\u2019ll need to have a conversation about the settings of the Migrant Exploitation Protection Work Visa and whether those themselves are enabling workers who are in workplaces that are being affected by this bill to adequately be supported into other forms of employment, because right now it\u2019s a six-month visa and there\u2019s no entrenched support for people who need to leave their visas to that one in order to escape exploitation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003ESo I think the key message that we want to send is that, in order for this bill to work as intended, we need to look at the broader settings of the immigration system, and, at all levels, we need to incorporate workers\u2019 voices and migrants\u2019 voices because the SOP from the Minister and the contributions towards this SOP were coming from constituents that we talked to, who they themselves said, \u201CI\u2019m really scared of raising these matters with Immigration New Zealand because of fear of them being put into a limited visa.\u201D, which that visa then doesn\u2019t allow you to apply to other visas in the future, right? That is the experience that many migrants are facing right now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m really keen to see the passage of this bill, really keen to see this working in practice, and really keen to continue to work with the Minister to make any further amendments that may be required.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002283dca3a7-93a6-4a78-a313-6fce42ebe49e\u0022 data-id=\u00221d07fe0e74354fd8b86e4c5f4b20f980\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002283dca3a7-93a6-4a78-a313-6fce42ebe49e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221d07fe0e74354fd8b86e4c5f4b20f980\u0022\u003EVANUSHI WALTERS (Labour\u2014Upper Harbour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. There\u2019s a saying that goes: \u201CDon\u2019t confuse justice with the law.\u201D Justice is about fair outcomes and about equity; the law is the tool that helps to get us there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002283dca3a7-93a6-4a78-a313-6fce42ebe49e\u0022\u003EBut sometimes those tools don\u2019t reach into the shadows and, unfortunately, that is where many of our migrant workers are working. Migrant workers are more likely to be underpaid, denied leave, work excessive hours, and denied basic employment protections\u2014although these are already law. So measures like requiring document production, while they might seem small; while, as my ACT Party colleague said, they might be considered \u201Cfishing expeditions\u201D, in my view, in this side of the House\u2019s view, it\u2019s about equalising access to justice. It\u2019s about creating tools that can and do reach into those shadows to protect migrant workers\u2019 rights. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u0022917e16d9089d43efbffc6f78b997a54c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022917e16d9089d43efbffc6f78b997a54c\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: I understand this is a split call. Todd Muller\u2014five minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022 data-id=\u0022ec86b94bc17f401f9de51770dbdae76b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ec86b94bc17f401f9de51770dbdae76b\u0022\u003ETODD MULLER (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think one of the key reasons that we are opposing this legislation and this bill this evening is based on the contribution from the previous speaker, Vanushi Walters, when she said that from their side of the House this is all about justice; however, she acknowledged that some could critique this as creating the conditions for fishing trips, essentially, by overzealous immigration desk officers. At one level, when you hear that, you think, you know, what\u2019s that all about? But from my experience in the New Zealand kiwifruit industry over the years, and particularly when you hear their very strong resistance, along with Business New Zealand, to this bill, they are very clear about the fact that there has been migrant worker exploitation in that sector and in others, that when it occurs there should be the full force of the law, particularly when it is at the more egregious side of, you know, impacting individuals poorly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EBut rather than dealing with the significant and harder and more complex issue of egregious migrant worker exploitation, the Government has, through this bill, created a mechanism that, essentially, gives a desk officer in Immigration New Zealand in Tauranga the ability to say, \u201CWell, actually, it\u2019s the kiwifruit harvest season. This is a sector where perhaps a couple of contractors at the margins might be, you know, not following every single rule. I\u2019m not exactly sure where that is, so what I\u2019m going to do is I\u2019m now just going to go out and demand this documentation from every single contractor in the middle of a harvest when you have six weeks to, you know, to pick a $2\u00A0billion crop.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EOn the one hand, the Government will stand and crow about the growth of the primary sector and the importance of those export returns to the New Zealand economic story, but where the sort of rubber hits the road, when a business is trying to get kiwifruit picked under pressure and you\u2019ve got a whole lot of people in that space trying to follow the rules and do the right thing, the Government\u2019s view is \u201CNo, what we should do is create this power for desk officers to really get their faces in everyone\u2019s business when they\u2019re under the most pressure.\u201D, trying to be able to give every single piece of documentation that is expected\u2014names, addresses, locations; all the detail of every single person that\u2019s on their orchard at that time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003EI can see this creating significant cost and frustration, and it\u2019s likely, frankly, to have the perverse effect when you will find\u2014and I\u2019m sure this will happen\u2014that in time when the desk officer for Immigration turns up, there will be people scampering, and so you end up not actually being able to sit with the sector and work with New Zealand kiwifruit growers, Zespri and the like, to actually identify the real challenges, the real culprits, if you like, but instead creating frameworks that that simply won\u2019t deliver for New Zealand when, frankly, we need resources and we need people and we need labour, particularly for some of those rural sectors.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fdb01002-a7cf-4a77-8f05-678d24a36849\u0022\u003ESo we think the Government has got their focus wrong. Typically, there\u2019s high-end rhetoric around the importance of ensuring that migrant worker exploitation is reduced, but then they go to the low-hanging fruit, if you like: administrative obligations that will only frustrate and cause, I think, significant disruption for sectors when they\u2019re at their most stretched. So, poorly thought through and actually won\u2019t deliver the big changes that are needed to reduce significant migrant exploitation at the larger end, and that\u2019s why the National Party opposes this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221cd33f16-add4-4363-a2d4-f457841a5c4c\u0022 data-id=\u002293dacf23b1474dc9acefc01239b711e0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221cd33f16-add4-4363-a2d4-f457841a5c4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002293dacf23b1474dc9acefc01239b711e0\u0022\u003EGLEN BENNETT (Labour\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Speaker. There\u2019s been some good, robust debate today on this piece of legislation. As was said by our Green Party colleague, we want to see this enacted so therefore\u2014on that case and that matter\u2014I will commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc07468e14a349a09532ee6fb271d4a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc07468e14a349a09532ee6fb271d4a5\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I just want to tell one anecdote which will help the New Zealand public understand this. I had a case that involved three chefs; they were Indian chefs. They were really scared about what Immigration would do when they raised issues which were absolutely exploitative practices. They were working 92 hours a week, they had their passports taken away, and when they complained, they were kicked out on the street.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EThey were really concerned about that, and I know that this law and this Supplementary Order Paper will help people come forward. I know that people going in and demanding basic information will also help make New Zealand a better place to work. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022 data-id=\u002289b86d442b7249ebb97957685f980919\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002289b86d442b7249ebb97957685f980919\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT (National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I once remember a proud Labour Party that stood for migrants, that actually believed in migration\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221cd33f16-add4-4363-a2d4-f457841a5c4c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022116f49f0814f4b0db40cfea59397e504\u0022\u003EGlen Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: We do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c59fe66054d47aa912ac09900d98a82\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: And one of the members said, \u201CWe do.\u201D Well, we have experienced the worst period of migration in New Zealand\u2019s history under this Government. OK, they might blame Winston Peters because he campaigned on anti-immigration rhetoric, but the reality is when they had a chance, they kept it going. The union movement took over the Labour Party members and decided it didn\u2019t want migrant workers in New Zealand. They will do anything to stop migration and they have shown that over the last two terms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EAnd New Zealand has suffered from that failure of the Labour Party. I remember years ago when I was first elected and we would go to all these events and the Labour Party members were there every Friday, Saturday night and they were telling all the migrant communities, \u201CWe are for you, we\u2019re for you.\u201D And as soon as they got in Government, they turned the tap off\u2014they turned the tap off\u2014and they stopped migration. Pre-COVID, they stopped migration; post-COVID, they stopped migration. They\u2019ve only let in migration this year to try and get the economy looking good for an election; that\u2019s all they\u2019re doing. And migrants are well aware that post-election, if Labour gets back in, they will stop migration again, because the unions don\u2019t want migrants.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272fe15b82ee249dcaa12c9b7546c4317\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Order! Mr Bennett.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eabc1ccde72743baae80436612b21444\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: I am on the bill, because this bill can essentially hurt migration, because it\u2019s going to be harder for employers to want to take that risk: there\u2019s the risk that there will be people coming after you in another Government department trying to inhibit your business.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThe ability of current processes to deal with these things is possible. Nobody wants to see any exploitation of workers\u2019 rights, and nobody wants to see exploitation of migrant workers\u2019 rights, and there are processes now to do that. But the Labour Party doesn\u2019t want migrants in New Zealand\u2014they have made that very clear. And that is the nub of what we see in the Labour Party. That is why the migrant vote will come back to National at this election, because the migrants\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea7e59e1f53c46fb9d51b85b53c02a03\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d5deb69a4f0495b82c30dbaa121bda1\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: And Kieran McAnulty laughs, but, you know, I don\u2019t know too many Filipino dairy farm workers in the Wairarapa that are going to vote for the Labour Party, and I don\u2019t know too many dairy owners that are going to vote for the Labour Party, or businesspeople who have had to do it really hard and who know that their safety and security have been put at risk because of the Labour Party, and who know that they don\u2019t have the ability to stay long term.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8aba14c39b14f7895640dd9fae5d07e\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: Stick to the subject.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc071ee4bcdd42dc90c82bf10bf154b8\u0022\u003EHon DAVID BENNETT\u003C/span\u003E: Wow\u2014Willie Jackson sticking to the subject! This is the man that took half an hour at question time to tell us the story, you know? Ha, ha! Go back to sleep, Willie, it\u2019s OK. We\u2019ve only got 10 minutes to go and you can get out of here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThe reality is that the greatest injustice we do in this country is we don\u2019t let migrants stay. We as a country have got a very poor record of allowing people to stay. We put up all these barriers around income levels you have to have, skill levels, English language requirements\u2014all those sorts of things. And we take away the very people who are the future of this country, and their children, who will build this country even more. We should be enhancing migration in New Zealand. We should be welcoming people who want to come to this country, because they add so much to this country. We shouldn\u2019t be trying to pass legislation to make it harder for migrants to come to New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003EThe Labour Party wants to make it harder for migrants to come to New Zealand. They\u2019ve said that; they\u2019ve proved it. [Interruption] And I say to Ibrahim Omer, a great member for the Labour Party: stand up against the leadership of the Labour Party, stand up against them for the last six years when they stopped migration, stand up for those migrants that want to come here and be part of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eaf79431-1033-44f1-a633-22633da52c0d\u0022\u003ESo this bill we are opposing, but the big problem we have in New Zealand is that we don\u2019t welcome migration. We can say it all we like, but the reality is that we don\u2019t let people come here and make their future here, and that is the problem. The Labour Government is the worst party in this Parliament at doing that. The Labour Government have shown over the last six years that they are anti-migrant and they are anti - the future of this country. That should not be allowed going forward. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc9f63639aeb4e2f9aa985aed3b00977\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002295945ace-51e8-4dbc-a0e3-c19f4ed99ed9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc9f63639aeb4e2f9aa985aed3b00977\u0022\u003EANAHILA KANONGATA\u0027A (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e te Mana Whakaw\u0101. It would be remiss of me not to comment on that last speaker, I think it was four minutes full of filibustering that we didn\u2019t need to hear. Anyway, it\u2019s an honour and a privilege to speak on the Worker Protection (Migrant and Other Employees) Bill. It\u2019s in the name: protection, protection, worker protection. This completes the Government\u2019s manifesto commitment of 2020 in terms of continuing to stamp out migrant worker exploitation. Judge us\u2014if there\u2019s a statement I remember from leaders on this side it\u2019s, \u201CJudge us by our actions\u201D. This is our action. We said that we would continue to stamp out migrant worker exploitation, and this is going towards that\u2014stamping out migrant worker exploitation. I commend the Worker Protection (Migrant and Other Employees) Bill to the House. M\u0101l\u014D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225350580aaf7943619c840057b8c43b4a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Worker Protection (Migrant and Other Employees) Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 75\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 62; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 9; Te Paati M\u0101ori 2; Kerekere; Whaitiri.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 44\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 34; ACT New Zealand 10.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000518\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002298b1369825c84c7386edac3704aa8c58\u0022\u003ECrown Minerals Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022419b266198904f86946b526dbc7be63e\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000521\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 8 June.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022 data-id=\u00229a196edaa38942888cbddf71743a8668\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229a196edaa38942888cbddf71743a8668\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ll make a short contribution, really just to say that this bill is about creating more flexibility in managing Crown-owned minerals for the benefit of New Zealand. There\u2019s two notable things, really. One is that it replaces the word \u201Cpromote\u201D in the bill with \u201Cmanage\u201D, in the context of managing this resource in a climate change environment, and that\u2019s fairly self-explanatory. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EThe second one is just around the duty to consult with iwi and hap\u016B. Instead of making it a \u201Cmay\u201D, consulting is now a \u201Cmust\u201D, and actually the way the permit holder applicants consult with M\u0101ori can be taken into account in terms of whether that permit is granted and the conditions. So quite a bit of strengthening there and an updating of legislation that was passed in 1991. I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022 data-id=\u0022eac24d05b78844fca9d930f82b847e7b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eac24d05b78844fca9d930f82b847e7b\u0022\u003EJOSEPH MOONEY (National\u2014Southland):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise to speak on the Crown Minerals Amendment Bill. The National Party is opposed to this bill. We have stringent environmental considerations which all extractive mining companies in New Zealand must meet in order to gain consent. Unfortunately, this legislation adds more bureaucracy, more layers of consultation, which ultimately will make it more expensive to do business in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003ESomewhat ironically, green technologies\u2014or what people think of as a green technology such as electric vehicles, wind turbines, and solar panels, etc.\u2014require metals; they require minerals for wiring, batteries, and other components, including copper, lithium, cobalt, manganese, nickel, graphite. Mobile phones, which everyone has, require a number of things: copper, lithium, cobalt, manganese, tungsten, etc. Solar panels need metals such as tellurium\u2014might have pronounced that incorrectly\u2014and silicon for the solar cells that turn sunlight into electricity. I mean, all of these technologies that people think as green technologies require minerals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s increasing discussion that people are talking about\u2014particularly in the green economy discussion\u2014about a circular economy and trying to reduce the distance that goods have to be transported. With the focus of Labour, it\u2019s quite ironic that they are focusing more on extracting minerals from other nations, where we have no control over what\u2019s happening in terms of the environmental considerations, and transporting a very long distance to New Zealand rather than doing it in a sensible, managed way right here in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003EIn terms of protecting our environment and making sure the environment, where it is disturbed, is restored, we have very stringent conditions here in New Zealand. It\u2019s, frankly, a bit of an own goal that Labour is bringing this bill in to take away the promotion of the use of Government-owned minerals right here in New Zealand, which we need for the technologies that we are going to have to build if we are to transition to what people call the \u201Cgreen economy\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003ESo, unfortunately, it\u2019s a bill that we cannot support as we think that although it might be wellmeaning, it is not going to achieve the outcomes that the Labour Government is seeking to make. So with that, I will end my contribution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022 data-id=\u00229a2f383dd7ee4e4e83a1cbc1cfcc8bdf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229a2f383dd7ee4e4e83a1cbc1cfcc8bdf\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Poto Williams)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time has come for me to wish you a safe and relaxing recess. The House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. on Tuesday, 18 July 2023. P\u014D m\u0101rie.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20230629579840ddea3e4636845983a6b23d7909000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c0e0c86e-e14d-4daa-9bc8-1b5a3d7defeb\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 5.57 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"