"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d99d07ec1c8048ab86f3b7fb7009edcb\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 14 MAY 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e694a99b02c04ee3ab6344c870aca8bf\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 14 MAY 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2\u00A0p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c0245d24d928404bbd12e4c919feadf7\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a6a6e1bac3bd429e8daef47751e7b35b\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022b04a345c7e6844d8a0478ed9b29767f9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b04a345c7e6844d8a0478ed9b29767f9\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Assistant Speaker):\u003C/span\u003E Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King and pray for guidance in our deliberations, that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f3cbdf1f5ae84eeeaa8dd228db42bd1a\u0022\u003EObituaries\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225fc713c741764b3ba9bb2c424526293b\u0022\u003EPeter Malcolm Hilt\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022f771137b67f347b8943a6c054e7ae277\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f771137b67f347b8943a6c054e7ae277\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Members, I regret to inform the House of the death, on 19 April 2025, of Peter Malcolm Hilt, who represented the electorate of Glenfield from 1990 to 1996. He chaired the Government Administration Committee, was a member of the Justice and Law Reform Committee, and in 1995 became the last member to be appointed as Deputy Chairman of Committees. In 1996, he was the first to be appointed to the role of Assistant Speaker. I desire on behalf of this House to express our sense of loss and sympathy with the relatives of the late former member. I now ask members to stand with me to observe a period of silence as a mark of respect for his memory.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EMembers stood as a mark of respect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002228bf7f9074d945c5917f6502b59a29de\u0022\u003EVisitors\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b79c0baa18a54e97aa34c50a807360d8\u0022\u003EAssociation of Southeast Asian Nations\u2014Secretary-General and Delegation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022569682655a984563bd72afa125d88ba8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022569682655a984563bd72afa125d88ba8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sure that members would wish to welcome His Excellency Dr Kao Kim Hourn\u2014Secretary-General of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations\u2014and his accompanying delegation, who are in the gallery.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b6425114d8d046f5ab8f36b3bc20dc6f\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002214ddaa02e9ab41c297fe4d5a9a90cab3\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad6eee7b015a4ced909c35acf28d664e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad6eee7b015a4ced909c35acf28d664e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No petitions have been delivered to the Clerk. No papers have been delivered to the Clerk. No select committee reports have been delivered to the Clerk. The Clerk has been informed of the introduction of a bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u002267bae1e1b0dd4381b6bfb62b58893187\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002267bae1e1b0dd4381b6bfb62b58893187\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: Legislation Amendment Bill, introduction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u00226e23fd20dcc140728e6fabf2a48ec508\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e23fd20dcc140728e6fabf2a48ec508\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The bill is set down for first reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002287ef905bdf9c40aeaa6b17d367fde168\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bcd6793946ad4ebc881cd1bca29044d6\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ee64617a89d74acd91cf7ceab08797a9\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228ba11b3f-65ea-4f86-92e4-fe78ea522647\u0022 data-id=\u0022a70a176662eb454a8060f59a803963d9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ba11b3f-65ea-4f86-92e4-fe78ea522647\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a70a176662eb454a8060f59a803963d9\u0022\u003EDANA KIRKPATRICK (National\u2014East Coast)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has she seen on the Government\u2019s fiscal position?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022ce944ba100a04a3898226b7c2c675f39\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ce944ba100a04a3898226b7c2c675f39\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E There\u2019s been some recent ill-informed commentary suggesting New Zealand\u2019s fiscal position is strong and that our debt is not too high. I disagree. That view counts for New Zealand\u2019s super fund as if it were available for day-to-day costs. It is not. It was confirmed this week that we\u2019ll start contributing to superannuation from 2028. That money is already committed. The reality is our debt is very high by historic standards, we\u2019re spending significant amounts on interest, and our ability to respond to future shocks is limited. Now is the time to rebuild buffers, reduce waste, and get the books back on a sustainable path, and that is exactly what next week\u2019s Budget will do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ba11b3f-65ea-4f86-92e4-fe78ea522647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228252267bd91e4618afa47effeeef4e64\u0022\u003EDana Kirkpatrick\u003C/span\u003E: What is the scale of New Zealand\u2019s debt problem, and why does it matter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a368cd79c1384934a2ab03620ac4cb77\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Between 2019 and 2024, Government debt increased by nearly $120\u00A0billion, rising from under $58\u00A0billion to $175\u00A0billion. Net core Crown debt reached 42\u00A0percent of GDP last year, the highest since the mid-1990s. The Government is still borrowing around $500\u00A0million a week, and that is not sustainable. Last year, we paid $8.9\u00A0billion in interest, and that is money that cannot go to health, education, or infrastructure. High debt limits our ability to respond to future shocks, increases our exposure to global risks, and places an unfair tax burden on future generations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ba11b3f-65ea-4f86-92e4-fe78ea522647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1f2cd4cb5c34ddeade37a58189ae4d8\u0022\u003EDana Kirkpatrick\u003C/span\u003E: What is the Government doing to get debt under control while protecting essential services?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227818d93db1744a5ac1e5f79600ab98d\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: The Government is taking a responsible, balanced approach. We are not reducing essential services; we are re-prioritising existing spending towards high-priority areas. That means reducing low-value or wasteful spending and focusing on core services like health, education, and law and order. We\u2019re also limiting the growth in new spending. The goal is simple: to deliver better results from the money already being spent, not just rely on more borrowing and more tax. By rebuilding fiscal buffers and managing spending carefully, we will put New Zealand in a stronger position for whatever lies ahead.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ba11b3f-65ea-4f86-92e4-fe78ea522647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bb0f0d4be9e450fa296e88075eae472\u0022\u003EDana Kirkpatrick\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister considered alternative approaches to fiscal and economic management?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c62ced5741a74ebda859390d17765b05\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: I have seen some interesting proposals from \u201CPlanet La La Land\u201D, including an $88\u00A0billion tax grab, and unlike some members opposite, I\u2019m prepared to rule them out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022521fdfdd9b0d488f9e66d271ccc6d713\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m on my feet. I\u2019m sure even the Minister doesn\u2019t read documents from \u201CLa La Land\u201D. If it\u2019s the end of the question, we\u2019ll go to Laura McClure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223b675c73f65b4234bdc27586cc7d5f4e\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022 data-id=\u0022b43f35b40cab4d648b7deeae702af2bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b43f35b40cab4d648b7deeae702af2bf\u0022\u003ELAURA McCLURE (ACT)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Education: What recent announcements has he made regarding school attendance? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022 data-id=\u00220099f4bea73647e9b55c8bf9bd1b6e1e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220099f4bea73647e9b55c8bf9bd1b6e1e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Today, I announced, on behalf of the Government, that Budget 2025 includes a $140\u00A0million package of new spending to improve attendance at schools over the next four years. This includes around $123\u00A0million for the delivery of a new Attendance Service, and almost $17\u00A0million to support and strengthen front-line attendance services, with better information, better case management, and more efficiency so that children get back to school when they\u2019re not attending. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ff11d5700d541ac96d54577daf061b1\u0022\u003ELaura McClure\u003C/span\u003E: What reports has he seen about the existing Attendance Service? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7d3a3c249604c58b36c2783b93b1483\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: When I became the Associate Minister of Education, I asked the Education Review Office (ERO) to review the Attendance Service. The report found that the Attendance Service was ineffective. It found that the current system fails to consistently improve student attendance, because funding varies by provider. ERO and the Ministry of Education recommended substantial reform, and that is what we\u2019re doing. For example, the Government\u2019s attendance action plan will include a requirement for schools to have an attendance management plan aligned to the Stepped Attendance Response scheme, or STAR, and that new and improved Attendance Service will address all of the Education Review Office\u2019s recommendations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229cf137e721b646b89d4829260a114c82\u0022\u003ELaura McClure\u003C/span\u003E: How will the new Attendance Service be improved? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed10cfa6f4a144faaacf67afde581093\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: We have listened extensively to principals, attendance officers, youth aid police officers, and social workers in a series of hui or round tables\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f1a37bcca0a40c38a3b5e51b695b2b6\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: What about children? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e14460846efa43568a77124586b440f5\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014up and down this country. We have also listened to children\u2014for that member who is interested. What we have done through this consultation is ensure that new funding will mean increased capacity to take referrals for chronically absent and non-enrolled students, who will identify and address the reasons for their absence. Providers will be equitably resourced and will work with a range of social agencies. There will be clear expectations, and, altogether, we will see each community working in the way that the most effective communities that I\u2019ve listened to operate now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bb45a55ce1ec451e8b1a00f1400b7047\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022326211cecbae4799a0ae784e076f6b62\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022326211cecbae4799a0ae784e076f6b62\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022e4051d6276f341f5b336891e0f937b30\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e4051d6276f341f5b336891e0f937b30\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb3eb5b4695648e684b6559af0bf25f9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: What changed between Nicola Willis saying National \u201Cfully supported the 2020 law change to provide better pay equity for women\u201D, stating at the time \u201Cit establishes mechanisms which allow people to make claims where pay equity and equal pay principles are not upheld\u201D, and yesterday, when the Government tried to claim that the law change they fully endorsed at the time was wrong?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022734d2c8f4c2c4fa4875b270506cdb79b\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: As I said yesterday, the Minister\u2014it was a priority for her from day one. As we went through the course of the last 18 months, it became apparent that we have a broken, unworkable, unaffordable system left to us behind by the last Labour Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf0fde6607174321be70f5945f4247d9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: So was Nicola Willis wrong to describe the changes made in 2020 as \u201Ca National bill with a Labour sticker on it\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212d86e96084848a6bb3b6ede6684822b\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, as we said, we went through the last 18 months, as it became very apparent how broken the system actually is. I think the question for the member is actually: are you going to support the new, fairer, clearer system; or are you going back to the broken, unworkable, unaffordable Labour Act? [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bdc9f6d4e6924d2f91ee60fbefcfaf6a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Questions only come from one side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235aa358021df4987868ba522a13eea3c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: When he says it\u2019s unaffordable, is he saying the thing that changed between National fully endorsing better pay equity protection for women and their decision to repeal those extra provisions was that they found out it was going to cost more than they\u2019d previously thought?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229dcc096df82d4fcabc18dede2b082f77\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: No. The system has got completely out of whack as a Labour piece of law, in practice. When you have librarians being compared to fisheries officers, when you have administration workers being compared to civil engineers, it needs some sorting out. We are deeply committed to pay equity, but the practice had become unworkable, unaffordable, and broken. We\u2019re fixing it, like everything. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292269201d88c4ce2a3f2f78bc6b727a1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before the member asks his question, if the House will just quieten down, and certainly reduce the amount of barracking during answers to questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3686951e565435b9471a38f603c5f5b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by the statement made on his behalf in question time last week: \u201CWe believe that a lot of settlements being made now are settlements that should not be made\u201D; if so, which settlements does the Government believe should not be made?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec01799e974d46b6b3e14f0a55e0bdd9\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the point that we\u2019re trying to fix up is a few things. One is the fact that we have comparators that aren\u2019t realistic, and so we\u2019re being very clear about tightening up the hierarchy of comparators. The second thing is that many of the claims have been very broad. There have been up to 90 different occupations that often come together in one claim with multiple employers. All we\u2019re doing is going back to what was proposed in 2017, before Labour passed a law\u2014took three years, did it under urgency, created a lot of flaws\u2014and now we are fixing it up. And so the question for the member, again, is: are you with the new system or are you going back to the old system?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227930fc5fd2984bb5b8d9e7eb927e228f\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. First thing: I think the Prime Minister is well aware that he can\u2019t ask the Opposition questions, but he certainly can\u2019t ask the Opposition questions when he hasn\u2019t even answered the question that he was asked. The question that he was asked did have two parts. One was whether he stood by the statement that Winston Peters made on his behalf, and he hasn\u2019t indicated whether he did. The second is: if there were specific claims that he didn\u2019t think should have been made, which ones were they? He didn\u2019t deal with either of those two things.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c80f973f835449da70da302696731b1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think he was getting to it, but the Prime Minister may continue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249b7f3fc41d146529d571f82d55517d9\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, I\u2019ll just say it\u2019s not up to a Minister to determine the claims; we have a law to do that. We have changed the law, and under a new law, we expect pay equity claims to come forward, sadly. We\u2019ve put money aside to actually pay and make sure those settlements can be delivered. Again, the question is for the member: which system do you support?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022638280baab85413391ab2b3440f50347\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Why are primary school teachers eligible to lodge a pay equity claim under the new scheme but secondary school teachers are not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222784a8ef5cd141ca9fe7b61beec1d195\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, again, we\u2019ve tightened up the criteria\u2014going through, looking, making sure that there\u2019s good evidence for a pay equity claim where there is sex-based discrimination, making sure that there is a relevant hierarchy of comparators, making sure that the claims are not broad, that they are specific, and there\u2019s a good review period. You know, anyone\u2014any individual, any union\u2014can actually launch a claim under the new laws, and we encourage them to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222cbaed5b5da94f6788f7fc27308408c7\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I asked the Prime Minister why it was that secondary school teachers can\u2019t lodge a claim but primary school teachers can. He\u2019s just said that any union can lodge a claim, when that isn\u2019t true. He hasn\u2019t actually answered the question of why one group of teachers can and another group of teachers can\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e627149a5156493bb59414d8448e38d9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, look, you may not be getting an answer the way you want it, but the answers the Prime Minister gives stand. If that leads to further supplementaries or some other course of action, so be it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022638b2c16c64f43deab61dc1ffa8f14e9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Why does the Government think that women working in the funded sector\u2014like Plunket nurses, palliative care nurses, aged-care workers, and midwives\u2014should settle for less pay given his Government\u2019s decisions not to fund pay equity in those predominantly Government-funded sectors?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002248740d6a7fc24cbc8282e72feea280fc\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, individuals or unions can make claims under the new legislation. The criteria is clear. We\u2019ve changed the criteria\u2014I understand that\u2014to fix a broken, unworkable system, but individuals, unions may make new claims under the new law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222375f910ae9c4891ba774dc9691ec338\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Is he not aware that his Government has made an explicit decision not to fund pay equity claims in the funded sector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3fef048c1de4324ba7f236d824f2aff\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, I just say to the member: we have tightened up this legislation given how unworkable and broken it has become. We are making sure there is strong evidence for claims. If there\u2019s evidence and merit for claims, go forward\u2014if there is, in fact, a case around stronger, tighter comparisons on comparators, if there is actually a need for us to have a longer review period, and also to make sure that the claim is actually specific, not broad. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d51b67178a7c4e579dfbeb76cfb263a2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Good\u2014good. We\u2019ll just calm down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a99fd261a29c48ba9dbd79b56461cb5a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022 data-id=\u0022b5f78993193848ecacb8e5ad6a6bfb88\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b5f78993193848ecacb8e5ad6a6bfb88\u0022\u003ESAM UFFINDELL (National\u2014Tauranga)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Transport: What announcements has he made regarding the Government\u2019s crackdown on drunk drivers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022dbc11e9c7a234034b9f0414ed277166c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dbc11e9c7a234034b9f0414ed277166c\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s Road Safety Week, and I\u2019m pleased to confirm that our crackdown on drunk-driving is showing signs of success. Stats from 2024 show an almost 40\u00A0percent reduction in the number of road deaths where alcohol was a contributing factor. It\u2019s fantastic news; it shows our plan to improve road safety is working. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ba76b12067443f598cd8bffecd87e9e\u0022\u003ESam Uffindell\u003C/span\u003E: How is the Government tackling drunk-driving? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277dc6286256a452780f6bb2f97fffe2c\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re focused on improving road safety through road policing and enforcement, investment in new and safe roading infrastructure, and targeting contributors to fatal crashes such as drugs and alcohol. Police have really stepped up their efforts. In 2024, police delivered 4,118,159 breath and breath-screening tests\u2014the highest number recorded in a calendar year, smashing their target which was 3.3\u00A0million breath tests per year. They also exceeded their target of focusing 65\u00A0percent of their breath testing on the highest risk times. We\u2019re really proud of the police and we back them all the way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ea9a636173345aca3252043af361fdf\u0022\u003ESam Uffindell\u003C/span\u003E: What impact is this focus on drunk-driving having on the total road toll? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223abedafcd8724bb79feee577b2a679c6\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: It is making a difference. In 2023, there were 92 alcohol-related road deaths; last year, 2024, down to just 57. There\u2019s a steep reduction in alcohol-related road deaths; it\u2019s the lowest in a decade. It\u2019s also significant given the presence of factors that can drive up the road toll such as population increases, continued increases in the size of the vehicle fleet, and increases in the total vehicle kilometres travelled. Every avoidable road death is a tragedy. There\u2019s always more work to do, but this is a step in the right direction. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224396f0e8b04c4de1940e40719616ed38\u0022\u003ESam Uffindell\u003C/span\u003E: What other actions is the Government taking to reduce road deaths? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d266371e62dd4ea6a2e6a4005a709cfb\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, alcohol is one substance that can cause danger and death on our roads. Drugs are currently going untested. That\u2019s why the Government has passed, finally, Parliament\u2019s third attempt at roadside drug-testing, which will come into effect later in the year. Around 30\u00A0percent of our road deaths have resulted from crashes involving drivers who have consumed impairing prescription or illicit drugs. This will be a big step forward and bring our drug-testing regime into line with our very successful breath-testing regime. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4fc8381242d4820a8343e2fc36b16e1\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: On the question of road safety and alternative transport and drunkenness, does the Minister consider proposals to fund light rail right across Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch for $11\u00A0billion in this document which I\u2019ve got here [Displays Green Party document, with inserted picture of Soviet flag], when Auckland\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d4fcecb92ae4d5f9f468a8163ac7460\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Keep advertising!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fe342415-6351-4072-a17e-19dab2ef184d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242c76cc0826c4bdbb93e59a76fd4a02d\u0022\u003EFrancisco Hernandez\u003C/span\u003E: Thanks for the shout-out, Winston. Join the party\u2014I\u2019ll send you a membership form.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d4d5bc767374a32b5b58f5fd5411a44\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Listen. I don\u2019t want to send an entire party out but I will. When questions are being asked, regardless of whether you like them or not, you listen to them quietly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a917b0a4d88b4892b40ff4b8bf65029c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister consider proposals to fund light rail across Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch for $11\u00A0billion\u2014in this document right here\u2014when Auckland light rail alone would cost $15\u00A0billion, to be an example of the inebriated influence? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c462093487894b459f6008e92243a19f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it would be a question that may stand, although you can\u2019t use a Government question to attack an Opposition party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210e1a7f4d12742f682653ed6d7a18947\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I didn\u2019t. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd8faff4b32f4e1984ca3c899534a09d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I realise how skilfully you\u2019ve put that; no question about that. The problem is the question is about drink-driving, not railcar driving. So we\u2019ll give it a miss. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d61db2b85af43da8dd0959ac663931f\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. The last supplementary question asked by the original questioner widened the scope of the subject, and the Minister answered. That gave me a chance, which I was waiting for desperately, to ask the question correctly. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228481c3aeda44ee3b34efc5b6e45607e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, well there is always the problem of creeping scope on questions, and so a brief answer might be appropriate. It\u2019d better be brief\u2014like \u201CNo.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022144f83dc73b84064986260de417091f4\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, Mr Speaker, I noticed the member holding up a copy of the hammer and sickle, and I think that says it all about the party\u2019s plans he\u2019s talking about!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203b6d0186664448a8c03e5bbe58bd10b\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, sir. Thank you very much. Far be it for me to enter into an issue that involves another party, but there is actually an important principle here. The Deputy Prime Minister deliberately used that question to attack another party in this Parliament. He held up a document produced by that party. Now, that should have been enough clues to stomp down on the question. It should not have been allowed, regardless of what previous supplementaries touched on, and then the answer itself followed through with the exact thing that you tried to prevent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223509a111fcbf444f92bdcb933bd5aaad\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, that\u2019s true, and I\u2019ll deal with that outside of this particular forum. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b645b7cd79b4919a1a173845031bc67\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Why don\u2019t you dismiss the whole party? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221414\u0022 data-id=\u00227193e29c25384e5c9800602754616fa6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227193e29c25384e5c9800602754616fa6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Who spoke then? Question No. 5, the Hon Barbara Edmonds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002226f7da7061f34df7b4ab847acd1670e8\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc76022d4e4e4711ae8d9a77980fe608\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc76022d4e4e4711ae8d9a77980fe608\u0022\u003EHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour\u2014Mana)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Noa\u2019ia, Mr Speaker. Does she agree with Christopher Luxon, when describing FamilyBoost, that \u201COur view is it doesn\u2019t cost much more to administer\u201D; if so, how much has been spent on administering the scheme relative to the amount paid out?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u00223c019533b8d542f9982f90d4a0553735\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223c019533b8d542f9982f90d4a0553735\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, in context, which in this case was a quote made in Opposition long before Inland Revenue (IR) had given any advice. To the second part, as the member will know from working at IR, there is always a cost to administer tax credits and rebates, especially with a new scheme. For FamilyBoost, it was important to have systems in place to ensure integrity, make it easy to apply, deal with phone calls, and provide support and education for parents to claim what they are entitled to. I don\u2019t have information on actual administration costs, but IR received $12.1\u00A0million this year to administer FamilyBoost, reducing in future years. So far, more than 58,000 families have benefited from this payment, and I want to see many more benefit from it in the months ahead.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267c6af3faada4f68b027b957feb15450\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Have the admin costs of $14\u00A0million this year proven to be value for money since only half the number of families have taken up FamilyBoost, and only $48\u00A0million has been paid out?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286d13dcdc6f445aba469e87ff902e221\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: I want to see more families benefiting from this scheme, which puts cash directly in the bank accounts of people with high early childhood education costs. That\u2019s why I have asked Inland Revenue to provide me urgent advice on changes we can make to the scheme to ensure more New Zealand families can benefit from it, and I look forward to making announcements about that in June. The alternative, of course, is the approach that member proposes in which zero families would get a FamilyBoost payment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e43d8438906446ed9b2d7a3cd4a3a12b\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: When she said, \u201CI have told Inland Revenue I expect the cost to fall in coming years.\u201D, does that mean she has instructed Inland Revenue to spend less than the $11\u00A0million she has already allocated for admin costs in the next year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4868056d42745cf8c29a7427a17be29\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it is wonderful to see that we are now finally agreeing that it is always appropriate to look for efficiencies and reductions in Government spending that aren\u2019t driving value. That is my baseline expectation of every Government agency: look for efficiency; do it with less money if you possibly can\u2014and I have exactly the same expectation of the Inland Revenue Department.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a41e6691475b46e1a2c385673423b647\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Can she confirm that any money that hasn\u2019t been paid out to families for FamilyBoost this year will be returned to the Government, and Budget 2025 will reflect this?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3b02889952b48cfaead1fe36b77e83d\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Budget 2025 will be revealed on Budget day\u2014just a few sleeps to go. What I have made clear is that the indications of the amount that we wanted to spend on the scheme remain my intentions, and what I want to see is many more families benefiting from this scheme. I want those dollars in the bank accounts of Kiwi families who are struggling with the cost of living. They like this scheme. We just need more of them to be eligible for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6e73ccc754347cb91eb32771972c1e1\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: When will the remainder of the 100,000 families she promised FamilyBoost receive it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ae0b73aa61a643d8bb0f4f614eba29cd\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as I\u2019ve said, that\u2019s subject to future announcements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec8e54b06ece41169a5f3d41c04e14db\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: When will she admit that this policy failure has let down working families just like she has let down working women across the country? [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac8994b83c43449995e50fb8b872f9e8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, just ask the question again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239b24b0b13aa45a0b2ea813b39656b82\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: When will she admit that this policy failure has let down working families?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c9dd0d570ac4f6ea14c6e50a36a092b\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I disagree with several characterisations in that question, and I\u2019d just say this: that member wishes to support women and working women. When she sees misogynistic terms of abuse used against\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc2f90cdb4224e749eefdf53662517f0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just a minute.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4ecbc0190c74796aee02d242ef3010a\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014women, she should\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce57ec48956046bb8085989d7195cc03\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Stop there! The question is to answer from a Government perspective, not attack other members in the House, and that\u2019s the final warning on that one. Is there another supplementary? Question No. 6, the Hon Marama Davidson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022851677a41f1f488f8dacc6bcb78706f3\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u00228a6269d768d6406eb5dfa3956bc47b79\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228a6269d768d6406eb5dfa3956bc47b79\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E E tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga\u2014sorry, to the Prime Minister. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284c3ca7a73754cdb9e591d6e94e0f48a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, there\u2019s a wee conversation going on over here. You\u2019re obviously talking to me. What were you saying?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213f7275045294f8da023eb5d1def8bd1\u0022\u003EHon Dr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, no, I wasn\u2019t, sorry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022877330f9bf144e7796caf1d85f7e7e1c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, well, that\u2019s something, then, you should keep very quiet, to yourself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u002279732e47fc164cd68849f842f4d86580\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002279732e47fc164cd68849f842f4d86580\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: E tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E[Does he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022145a20a61d2048789429e2beec2d30b0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022145a20a61d2048789429e2beec2d30b0\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a76ce42ec16429ea0549fb10f7c81e1\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree that healthcare is a right and that access to it should not be determined by how much money you have?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227a27f65c45e4441b0ec5f2aa0183f09\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: We want all New Zealanders to have access to healthcare. Whether it\u2019s in the public system, the private system, we want their outcomes and their health needs met.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203d00450ace1452a96b2106540004f39\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that one in six adults in Aotearoa avoid seeing their GP due to costs, and, if so, what is he doing about it? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f7a3e2307bc450cba4c3a5c90d97aca\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I just encourage the member to look at the health Minister\u2019s recently announced primary care package, where he\u2019s doing everything he can to make sure that overseas doctors that are here in New Zealand\u2014that their qualifications are recognised so they can get into GP practices. The work that he\u2019s doing to incentivise attracting nurses and support and GPs into rural practices\u2014I just encourage the member to go look at that policy; I think there\u2019s a lot of things that she would want to support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a102cb015a974c39b8fc58b083b96c52\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: If improving access to GPs is a top priority, as said by his health Minister, then why has his Government not maximised GP training placements at Auckland and Otago universities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224af0b4e2bba142f8a619c0a9009856d2\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: The places will be up over 100 over the course of this term; I think the member may have not followed some of the announcements that have happened since we\u2019ve come to Government. But I think the other thing is it\u2019s incredibly sad that the member didn\u2019t actually support the Budget last year that led to $17\u00A0billion more going into healthcare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022941a8f27e33847669a200b3e35ca170f\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept Victoria University research findings that show primary care spending has not increased in real terms since 2009, and will his Government continue this austerity approach or invest in this sector so it can deliver the care New Zealanders need?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1933bb2cb324d648c1a6e8cbc72c331\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: What I can speak to is that this is a Government that has a record expenditure on healthcare. We spend close to $30\u00A0billion a year. We put another $17\u00A0billion in over the course of the last Budget, and the Minister of Finance has already confirmed there\u2019ll be more money going to health this year. We have a lot of money going in. We\u2019re doing some good work in expanding our workforce. We\u2019ve got clarity about the targets that we expect patients to receive. We want to see a higher-performing Health New Zealand and the Minister\u2019s doing a great job trying to get that performance improvement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed9c8cb5b6e340a9b8ca0f20c3ae6ae2\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the New Zealand Initiative that \u201CLack of GP access forces patients to emergency departments, overwhelming them nationwide \u2026 a financial haemorrhage hiding in plain sight.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243372141520d487395ca80b7a98866e3\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we know that there is huge pressure on our healthcare system that has built up over a long period of time. But I would just encourage the member to look at what we are doing in health because I think there are a lot of things the member would support. We\u2019re putting more money in, we\u2019re hiring more people, we\u2019ve got clarity around the targets, we\u2019re making sure things are patient-focused. We\u2019ve got work to do to make sure we get a high-performing Health New Zealand, but we\u2019re on to that too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218898375c51d4e698bed2c7191d3d914\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225faccdc1b93f437f8ca94824001d2e6a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question, the Rt Hon Winston Peters. I\u2019ll just say I do hope it\u2019s a genuine question, not a dig at the Opposition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226939066526ed4851aa7e04f563096da9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister agree that mining income and royalties will help out with paying for healthcare, and does he also consider that a proposal for mining royalties to increase from 2 to 4\u00A0percent in this document being an indication that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022326614ba67bd467c946d38657ceae61d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no\u2014sorry. The Rt Hon Winston Peters, that\u2019s an interesting topic for a speech. We\u2019ve got the general debate coming up shortly; you can expand it there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b5084e616e824e06af06183f63f54f3a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014M\u0101ori Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022 data-id=\u0022f5cd58baf8ed4b71b289035ecef2b242\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f5cd58baf8ed4b71b289035ecef2b242\u0022\u003ERAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E My question is to the Minister for M\u0101ori Development in absentia: does he stand by his statement\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u00224c7e305eab5d44eeaf7cf69caf1b18c0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224c7e305eab5d44eeaf7cf69caf1b18c0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No\u2014no. Start again. Sorry, look, the rules are very, very clear. You\u2019ve got to present the question to the House as it\u2019s on notice, and therefore as it\u2019s on the drill sheet, so that everyone knows exactly\u2014no adornments; nothing else. Please start again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022 data-id=\u0022036ff1020e144deaaebc9d9f66d84ece\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022036ff1020e144deaaebc9d9f66d84ece\u0022\u003ERAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for M\u0101ori Development: Does he stand by his statement that \u201COver the past 50 years, the Tribunal has made significant contributions to the M\u0101ori Crown relationship and informed the settlement of both historical and contemporary Treaty claims impacting generations of wh\u0101nau across the country\u201D? [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022135e28a1ede645c7b6f42e4a0c5da689\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Right, we will wait for total silence as the Minister replies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00220327f0d86a80459bb0fb44253b0699aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220327f0d86a80459bb0fb44253b0699aa\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Attorney-General)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for M\u0101ori Development: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232612f056ccb4e6888941f2ecaa8590a\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: What problem is he trying to solve by reviewing the Waitangi Tribunal when it is doing exactly what it was originally set up to do and has been doing an exemplary job for the last 50 years, like that member?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022025feb6edd624c08a75e74e1b92ad43f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just why the last bit in the question? It causes problems for everybody. The last bit was totally rhetorical and unnecessary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228932d7e081ea4a3c939d5a3a86b43dc0\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Move on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b69c15a455043d3a4cd94ba1afb507a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Excuse me! Ask the question again without the flick at the end.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db7a8e8eb5a04ea381603db089d2dd07\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: What problem is he trying to solve by reviewing the Waitangi Tribunal when it is doing exactly what it was originally set up to do and has been doing an exemplary job for the last 50 years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f87a3a0a51d34752900d759c95e442c6\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, the tribunal has been doing a good job, but the problem is\u2014they\u2019ve raised this issue as well with the Minister\u2014that after 50 years of doing the job and with the same legislation that they\u2019ve had, they know that they have a lot of claimants who are waiting an extremely long time to have their matters heard. They want to be more efficient, and the Minister has received many complaints from claimants as well as the tribunal that they need to be able to do their job in a more timely fashion, and the Minister is cognisant that that is a good thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228dcf2be9c6b2494c83aa9bd661ab1511\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: What accountability mechanisms, if any, are in place to ensure this review will not breach Te Tiriti o Waitangi or existing settlements, given this would normally be the role of the Waitangi Tribunal to determine?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022603bd5eb6a994b34a240f13f7ed462ea\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf the Minister, I think it would be very odd to have the tribunal reviewing itself. It is actually much better to have an independent, technical advisory group, led by eminent KC Bruce Gray, with a small but very talented and experienced group of people working with him. The Minister is very aware this is a serious matter and not one for joking, and he takes it very seriously.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5e187ad1ec142729bd391e1988a1154\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware of any other constitutional bodies being reviewed with the same level of scrutiny, or is it just the Waitangi Tribunal that\u2019s been lucky enough to be singled out?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022844c253478e945adabd799abf1fce4fe\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister: he is a highly educated and experienced person\u2014he\u2019s fully aware that, from time to time, courts have been reviewed in their structures. He\u2019s aware of the excellent work of the then Minister of Justice on the judicature review, which I think I may have had something to do with. He\u2019s also extremely aware that every tribunal in every system of justice and constitution from time to time needs to be reviewed. But it\u2019s great to hear that the member is so keen on exactly the same constitution that he\u2019s often railed against.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d253b2d292fa47abbc11279ef289b1b4\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the incoming Deputy Prime Minister that the Waitangi Tribunal has become woke and that, ironically, the Government is fast asleep?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279ac35cdd9374b5ca6e12679e81d97fe\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, I\u2019m sure the Minister has never heard the Hon David Seymour make those statements, but I do think that Mr Seymour agrees with the Minister very fully that this is a matter that needs to be reviewed. And when the Waitangi Tribunal\u2019s made clear some of the issues that they\u2019re having, of course the right thing to do is to consider a review and then to get on with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221064ee253b1246c1ab9efa5d34bc33b7\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister come to the conclusion that for some, the only good thing about the 1840s was the 1848 Communist Manifesto?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be74d625cff94eab805afdfc92ee9054\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Now, look, I\u2019m sorry, I have to say, in the world of three strikes and you\u2019re out, you\u2019ve used up your three strikes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225cb0a401391d493aaacdfe0e4a0db00d\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Workplace Relations and Safety\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6ddbdcdfd0641719a6d0232f57d7e4a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6ddbdcdfd0641719a6d0232f57d7e4a\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety: Does she agree with Andrea Vance, who said about the Equal Pay Amendment Bill, \u201CIt is a curious feminist moment, isn\u2019t it? Six girlbosses\u2014Willis, her hype-squad Judith Collins, Erica Stanford, Louise Upston, Nicola Grigg, and Brooke van Velden\u2014all united in a historic act of economic backhanding other women\u201D; if not, how is unilaterally stopping 33 pay equity claims not a historic act of economic backhanding other women?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6744eda531e404c940110cfd71792b2\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Sir, I raise a very serious point of order. It\u2019s quite clear in Standing Order 390(1)(c), it\u2019s quite clear from Speakers\u2019 rulings that it is not in order to quote in such a way you bring fellow members of the House into disrepute. How on earth this question got through your process\u2014that\u2019s something that obviously you can address. I\u2019m aware that Speakers\u2019 ruling 175 does enable a member to ask a Minister for matters that they\u2019re responsible for, but any reasonable person watching today knows that that member is asking a question containing material derived from an article designed to bring my colleagues into disrepute.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022938fe18b34fb459d9d23e1f8986e6170\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019ll thank you for firstly giving me the opportunity to review my own performance, and I will undertake that with some vigour. The first point is that Standing Order 390(1)(a) makes it clear that the bar for discreditable references is a very high one. Criticism of a Government policy\u2014even if it is in the strongest terms\u2014is permitted. That\u2019s why we have a Parliament. The system of accountability that we have means that if a Government Minister has responsibility in a particular area, they can be questioned on opinions that might come from somebody in the media, as is the case here. On further reference, Speakers\u2019 ruling 175/5\u2014Ministers can be asked if they agree with the opinions of others, so long as the opinion is about something the Minister is responsible for. That brings this\u2014although it\u2019s uncomfortable and could be considered a little pointed\u2014within the scope of the current Standing Orders and Speakers\u2019 rulings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022077dff37b5b64d07988fcf1004f35bbd\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. Speakers\u2019 ruling 175 has to be contrasted with 192. I\u2019d like you to look very carefully at Smith\u2019s ruling\u2014Speaker\u2019s ruling 192/5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d472eea2b3e4a648b981876d118976b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I will certainly do that. Thank you for the advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229cca4a9ada844fdb9cc2422d867c80c6\u0022\u003EHon Chris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I want to test with you the scope of what you\u2019ve just ruled. Are you now saying\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291670dafe5ac4a799ce3334c8a803f13\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Now, I want to make it clear I\u2019m quoting the Standing Orders and existing Speakers\u2019 rulings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226de7151278dd47b7bd5588d6e2a16da1\u0022\u003EHon Chris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Is it therefore in order, sir, for the Government to find any old article about anyone in the House and ask themselves questions about the Opposition in order to respond to particular areas within their scope of ministerial responsibility? Because that has the potential\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f8297fffc1f41a5ac86173e2ed95dd2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, it\u2019s not. That\u2019s a ridiculous proposition because the Standing Orders make it very clear that a question in the House cannot be used to attack the Opposition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c95723bd831947b4bcff3ad4aad2764e\u0022\u003EHon Chris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: But there are lots of ways through that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022942bae07fa634bbca0e3895c20be0fdb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. Stand on your feet if you\u2019re going to talk to me. If you can find some clever ways that get past me, good luck. If the Government wants to waste its time doing that, it\u2019s perfectly acceptable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cb85ace51b6455f81bf70cfad29d32f\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, I want to refer you to Standing Order 390(1)(c), which says \u201CQuestions must be concise and not contain \u2026 discreditable references to the House or any member of the Parliament or any offensive or unparliamentary expression.\u201D That catches the provision that Mr Jones is complaining about. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e45d235e40ef4b8b8a799727faac6a3d\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Do you want a mirror? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c19d010eac3b4b3b901fafa1e75ada12\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: You wouldn\u2019t know about the law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6a524519cd1484d82a0b166c8a5bb64\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, what did you say\u2014390-something? We may as well get it right. What was the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245cf48e07af44c34b6a92267abd15843\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s 390(1)(c): \u201Cdiscreditable references to the House or any member of Parliament or any offensive or unparliamentary expression.\u201D It says at the beginning \u201C(1) Questions must be concise and not contain [that]\u201D. So they\u2019re caught, and I don\u2019t know how it got through the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddae697e8a014255bdd541d5e202f020\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, well, the point is it says the \u201Cquestion\u201D must not contain\u2014the question itself is: does she agree with a comment made by someone else? I mean, how would a democracy work if there can be never any questions in the House about what people outside the House have to say\u2014what people are reading in their newspapers, etc., etc. Why would you want to deny the Minister the opportunity to refute that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f48bbce46764a75a25328b8a84adcb4\u0022\u003EHon Chris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order. This question refers to \u201Cgirlbosses\u201D and \u201Chype-squads\u201D. How can that be consistent with Speaker\u2019s ruling 192/5 about discreditable references to any members of Parliament and unparliamentary expression? I accept it\u2019s in a quotation from a newspaper article, which many members found offensive. How can those references possibly be in order? [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fa6c7c08a6e42359515d8da6a1adab0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, listen. We\u2019re going to start again if people can\u2019t do that. The next person that speaks during a point of order will be having an early afternoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ece4a3b90e4e4e239cdb3a8bb5211150\u0022\u003EHon Chris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: Primary questions and the purpose of question time is to elucidate facts, not to have a go at the Government Ministers by way of quoting offensive newspaper articles through quotations in primary questions. It clearly falls foul of Speaker\u2019s ruling 192/5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022deda12d68f8f403692c8588086fb78ba\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, but I\u2019ve just ruled that it doesn\u2019t. So that is the end of that and we\u2019ll have Brooke van Velden answer the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022 data-id=\u002275e7010becf7428ca664c835eb1904e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002275e7010becf7428ca664c835eb1904e7\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN (Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. It was hard to find a single sentence in Andrea Vance\u2019s article I agree with.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225be4ee6f5a8944588ef33e4c6addb645\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019d be enough of an answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef5c672581cc4522905c820ad287894a\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200302695c30e44abad1f81b4fde06bd5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, there\u2019s no point of order on this. You\u2019ve answered the question. It\u2019s a controversial question. I\u2019m keeping order in the House. The member would be advised to take my advice, resume her seat, and take the next supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d37cc731b45a44b48a61bb2313aa4973\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe that teachers are entitled to pay equity, and, if so, why did she say they don\u2019t have a right to be angry at her changes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3b8cd0b181741babf46a4585ca4bab4\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, point of order. I was not given the opportunity to answer the second part of that question, so I did not answer the primary question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226873c13ae8c6485197a842464db617ae\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: With respect, I ruled that you did answer enough of it, and I\u2019m now telling the House that the first supplementary does not relate to the primary. So we\u2019ll move on, if everyone\u2019s ready?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb396a22c1c747c18062614b92b62160\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I actually agree with the Minister in the sense that in not being allowed to answer the second part of the question, fully accepting that the first part was answered, it then makes the supplementary question that was asked not relevant. If the second part of the question was addressed by the Minister, the supplementary was absolutely linked to the primary, sir. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022526518c112d1451e8e3daec6f59eca9a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, but you can\u2019t suppose what the second part is. I\u2019ve taken a simple view that the first part of the primary question asked that the Minister agrees. She said she doesn\u2019t. There can\u2019t be a second part beyond that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e78ae412aec4323a84476ca757301d7\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a8c666a19f54e1483b87c3d23acad2c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: A point of order\u2014this better be something that\u2019s really useful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc8bd9c814474403b509dded8d93df89\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: I can assure you, Mr Speaker. We\u2019ve got a Minister here who has been attacked by a very questionable question. I think the best thing that can happen right now\u2014instead of everyone else interrupting\u2014is she be given a full opportunity to respond the way she wants to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240a2c7a23b06420293fa52701506bc79\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, thank you for your view. I don\u2019t agree with you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ef767a2bbd4439aade73bca1a1c59a7\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3c62497c7f145ecbe0a1552aaf8aa20\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, well, your first one was out of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4103063227a45c5bf54bdacc1c3e461\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: So I can bring one into order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220daf3ea3f8ba4c88a47bff170310fb37\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m a strong woman and I can speak for myself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b043077bb264f6c93b0eaf014bc3d86\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s good, and you only get to do that when you\u2019re called to do it. This is a highly controversial question. You answered that you didn\u2019t agree with anything in the article, and I\u2019ve ruled there can\u2019t be a further question on it. This question can attempt it, but I think we\u2019re going to be moving on if it doesn\u2019t meet the test.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed5b1231c0e54cf0870ad0b3a4aea216\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: How is unilaterally stopping 33 pay equity claims not \u201Ca historic act of economic backhanding other women\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022416416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002283ee0d7dc8854855a9161f959054fe8e\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: I disagree with the comments made, and particularly the note of the use of the term \u201Cbackhanded\u201D, which refers to Andrea Vance\u2019s article, which was quoted from this weekend.  I do not agree with the clearly gendered and patronising language that Andrea Vance used to reduce senior Cabinet Ministers to \u201Cgirlbosses\u201D, \u201Chype-squads\u201D, references to \u201Cgirl math\u201D, and \u201Cc[unts]\u201D. The women of this Government are hard-working, dedicated, and strong. No woman in this Parliament nor in this country should be subjected to sex-based discrimination. I\u2019ll tell you who I do agree with: I agree with the former Minister for Women, Jan Tinetti, who said that misogynistic abuse against women in public office was \u201Can indictment on our society.\u201D I actually think it\u2019s very curious\u2014and it\u2019s a very curious feminist moment\u2014when a former Minister for Women repeats parts of a clearly misogynistic article in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227632f510b7ea413a82d16a1b693eb31e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Good. [Interruption] That\u2019s enough. Just let me make it very clear that while the\u2014[Interruption] Who\u2019s speaking? Just let me make it as clear as I can: while the Minister was giving an answer that was quoting commentary from a news article, it may have been better to refrain from one word that was fully expressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aad79b8f56cd4be4be8e12f227c58c7f\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Is her idea of a \u201Crobust and workable\u201D pay equity system one that entrenches women being paid less than their worth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a76204253f0346269916018834bc5f0b\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: The whole point of a pay equity system is to find sex-based discrimination and stamp it out. That is what this Government is keeping. I have heard so many references from people across this Chamber to things that this Government is not doing. We are not cutting women\u2019s pay. We\u2019re not cutting equal pay. We\u2019re not removing a pay equity system. We are making the pay equity system better so that we can find sex-based discrimination and stamp it out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218020374af364296ad8f641885b03ae7\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Was changing the threshold for female-dominated work from 60 to 70\u00A0percent a result of feedback and consultation, or simply the first number the Minister thought of?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220577ee2b921146769f2ac111909b1da9\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: I can think of many numbers, and I would suspect that the Minister for Women should stop refraining from\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbca27ea6e3e44798f20dc36403a0a34\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Former.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209a80adf008e4ac99bc6e43ce66721cf\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry. The former Minister for Women should refrain from any attempt to conflate those numbers with girl math, like Andrea Vance did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225449d8816b0a4d1fa1dcbcecef0e9296\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: How about 8\u00A0percent? There\u2019s a number.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022933d021fc23f40a2b312457eee85f007\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b687bd2346e4123a2655cbf71082b55\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: There\u2019s a number\u20148\u00A0percent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296b26c8d7bdf45b99d17a9479f2eb651\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just wait\u2014just wait till your colleague has finished the rant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261c4cb7b72a34b25ba60abea31680794\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Was saving Nicola Willis\u2019 Budget worth gutting the future pay of 180,000 workers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc813cbb41634794957403085c3e6fc0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, you can start that question again. We\u2019ve had people being very pedantic about how questions should be asked; that certainly doesn\u2019t meet any test.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9a8c1516c0e499386f4cc4de8b7d52e\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Was saving the Budget\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022723577365468475ab41a4e97735d0b18\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, you can\u2019t make that point on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b52e773debe4d7dad1710f1126bb311\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: OK, I will go into my next one, Mr Speaker. Was \u201Csaving\u201D the Budget worth gutting the future of 180,000 workers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b8c997d1dcf41c68528f13b9ef89fed\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: Nobody\u2019s pay has been cut.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1423a297f324f328376ba2ac3872138\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Does she believe that teachers are entitled to pay equity, and, if so, why did she say they don\u2019t have a right to be angry at her changes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200890a6da2c444758f0423380c84957c\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: Anybody can bring a pay equity claim.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022241719c12f3e4e14b289a0e6364bdfe8\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Immigration\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022 data-id=\u0022619921357464462ab6e812deedee7504\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022619921357464462ab6e812deedee7504\u0022\u003EDr HAMISH CAMPBELL (National\u2014Ilam):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Immigration\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fbebaff4830d4a5a9f87b6e49161251a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, just hold on. There are far too many conversations going on around the House\u2014far too many conversations going on around the House. When we get a bit of quiet\u2014Dr Campbell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022 data-id=\u002235ca654273554fc388ad133bf683b4fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002235ca654273554fc388ad133bf683b4fa\u0022\u003EDr HAMISH CAMPBELL (National\u2014Ilam)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Immigration: What update can she provide about the recent changes to the Active Investor Plus Visa to attract more global investment to New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022 data-id=\u002207e0bd310a8442148099d9fce508cf3a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002207e0bd310a8442148099d9fce508cf3a\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Immigration):\u003C/span\u003E Since the Active Investor Plus Visa opened on 1\u00A0April, we have received 100 applications. Sixty-three of them are new. For context, in just six weeks, we\u2019ve received over half the number of applications that came in under the previous Government\u2019s policy in 2.5\u00A0years. It\u2019s not interest; it\u2019s action. These investors have indicated they\u2019ll be investing a minimum of $380\u00A0million into our business and economy\u2014how\u2019s that for \u201Cgirl math\u201D? They\u2019ll also be bringing girl networks and expertise to New Zealand businesses to create real opportunities for growth. New Zealand is open for business, open for investment, and serious about unlocking our economic potential.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d584c994576b414fa224cf1236f8fa50\u0022\u003EDr Hamish Campbell\u003C/span\u003E: How does the new Active Investor Plus Visa differ from previous policy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6689cca49f14e7b8c5cb1129b8ac5fe\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The previous policy settings were restrictive and uncompetitive. We\u2019ve replaced them with a modern, flexible framework featuring two clear pathways: growth and balanced. The growth category supports high-potential Kiwi businesses, while the balanced option allows a more conservative investment. Almost 80\u00A0percent of new applications are for the growth category, showing strong interest in active investments in New Zealand. We\u2019ve also removed the unnecessary hurdles like the English language test and reduced physical-presence requirements. This flexibility is key to making New Zealand a top-tier investment decision.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de7077319d9f4c1784641769aba5c517\u0022\u003EDr Hamish Campbell\u003C/span\u003E: What feedback has she received about the new Active Investor Plus Visa?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022faf10369900d4ddcbce65e46c5b89ac5\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Licensed immigration advisers and lawyers that I\u2019ve spoken to have been very positive. They\u2019ve all told me that they\u2019re seeing a significant increase in interest in the new visa, and some have advised they are recruiting new staff to be able to respond. Malcolm Pacific Immigration\u2019s CEO, David Cooper, also noted the offshore market is ready for these changes, with significant interest from Germany, the US, Japan, and Korea. By attracting foreign investment, this Government will boost economic growth, create more jobs, and foster long-term partnerships to help us ensure a prosperous future for New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c227e659113e455895e1ac89639cb6d8\u0022\u003EDr Hamish Campbell\u003C/span\u003E: Where are applications being received from?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c60af45cfc1f4d5d93022b9a0e139ac9\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re seeing significant global interest in these new investment settings. Sixty-two\u00A0percent of new applications are from the United States, with China and Hong Kong following, but applications have also been received from Germany, Singapore, Spain, Switzerland, Japan, Taiwan, and the Czech Republic. These investments will help grow businesses, create jobs, and provide new skills for young people. This is all part of our plan to grow the economy and provide higher-paying Kiwi jobs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f8acf39551874cbeb6d99dbba372e03c\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Public Service\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022 data-id=\u0022f3d9f3e39beb4ac588187854eab4d7d2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f3d9f3e39beb4ac588187854eab4d7d2\u0022\u003ECAMILLA BELICH (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for the Public Service: What impact will recent changes to the Equal Pay Act 1972 have on public sector workers, particularly women? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u0022d6e58880ead04da9a991b1af7dcf58fb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d6e58880ead04da9a991b1af7dcf58fb\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister for the Public Service):\u003C/span\u003E The changes to the Equal Pay Act do not cut women\u2019s pay or change their rights to equal pay. What they do is give women a system that focuses on the actual issue of sex-based discrimination. Equal pay is fully supported by the Government and remains protected in New Zealand law, as it has since 1972. Public sector workers can still make pay equity claims, but they will now have a much more robust, sustainable, and workable system. We expect that there will be additional pay equity settlements for further workforces under the Government\u2019s improved pay equity regime. It was, by the way, a National Government that delivered the first ever pay equity settlement in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bae480261b6c45dd8e45c1545fc268c8\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Has any public sector pay agreement been set at lower levels due to expected increases from future pay equity settlements? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce1b746571974fcc9f6d83ae6e54bc57\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m not sure whether or not they have. I haven\u2019t heard that, and, certainly, as the Minister for the Public Service, I might have heard that, but I\u2019m certainly not aware of that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9f8c62b1bab4ec885347c5db1758855\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Is cancelling 33 pay equity claims consistent with the commitment to close the gender pay gaps in the public sector? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf57a9bc14bf4675985e214cfc0a5b35\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: I am delighted to tell the member that the pay gap in the public sector is actually very low\u2014it\u2019s about 4\u00A0percent. Now, I actually think that of the particular claims that will be discontinued, nine are in the public sector and four are in the Public Service. These claims are still able to be raised under the new system, and further pay equity settlements are expected. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa81667a82424319b1c37bfc9c88dba6\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Is it consistent for the Government to claim it supports eliminating gender pay gaps while removing obligations to recognise pay equity and prevent gender bias, as proposed in her 6 May 2025 Cabinet paper? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227bdf39d5d092450795219952ec767659\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: I think it\u2019s really important to realise that women actually do a brilliant job, as do most men, and I look at this and say that women just want to be treated in a fair manner. They don\u2019t want to be patronised and told that if they do math, it\u2019s \u201Cgirl math\u201D, or that they should not be able to stand up for themselves or else they are suddenly referred to by indecent names and treated unfairly. I have always hoped that all the women in this Parliament\u2014and men\u2014would like to stand up for women to be able to be treated in a humane and decent manner, and not reduced to foul names. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277ef22a013e64218b34848e8e0963249\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I thank the member for her speech, but she didn\u2019t actually address either limb of the question, which referred to a specific decision she\u2019s made in a Cabinet paper. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221a73719a5ed4816ab5f0860a2c232af\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Oh well, if the Minister would like to add, that would be\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed92baee148641169d00f0be644c9a26\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: No, not really. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1959a1d290f4498a248853676beab80\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, well, I\u2019m asking the Minister to address the specifics of the question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291ba32cf735c44d39f60d241039664d3\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, she\u2019d need to ask the question again, please, because I was so enjoying myself\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e30cdd278204ce9a0e0e7f850c5a372\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f9521d4948d4bbbbc1b986c5cc6d08c\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014I forgot what her question was. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a581b0377d8c48a686ade04fd0a022b9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, everyone\u2019s got plenty of time today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a014d984150468e96e1ff0e0c7eea15\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Is it consistent for the Government to claim it supports eliminating gender pay gaps while removing obligations to recognise pay equity and prevent gender bias, as proposed in her 6 May 2025 Cabinet paper? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241f14d7723ea433aa53aa9e4ab40d004\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, it is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bdc92e0a84f94a5a94fa8a0b9ee1ea95\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, on balance, I think the question was answered, with all due respect. So that\u2019s two goes at it. Have you got another supplementary? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d66aadbc4db4acf89b4bc638cf92652\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: If she supports the agreed gender pay principle that trust and engagement improve performance, how does bypassing consultation with affected women align with this? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2463571d537436db8f9274d27c614db\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m sorry; the question doesn\u2019t seem to make sense to me. Perhaps if we could have it again? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228367f1e005b248ffb2708b3f8079503c\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Certainly. To the Minister: if she supports the agreed gender pay principle\u2014which is outlined in a document on the Public Service Commission\u2019s website\u2014that trust and engagement improve performance, how does bypassing consultation with affected women who have pay equity claims align with this? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7ecabe5da47498aaee1e8cddbcca368\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think the fact is that the Government has to make decisions, and even though we certainly are consulting with women\u2014because women are taxpayers; women are people who are going about their jobs\u2014the fact is that the Government has to make certain decisions. The Government has made a decision because the changes brought about that we\u2019ve inherited in the pay equity system made it unworkable, and it cannot be right to have civil engineers and librarians on the same level or treated as though they\u2019re doing the same job. They\u2019re quite different jobs. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f69761c8e2854ebdb91034c60185d296\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Will axing current pay equity claims mean lower future pay for affected public sector workers? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f501487b0ba0418b969cc4f54eb0d61e\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I wouldn\u2019t have thought so. They seem to have a very strident union that could assist them with collective bargaining. But I\u2019d also say this, which is that everybody needs to be treated with respect, whether they\u2019re on the centre or the right, or employer or employee, and there\u2019s nothing wrong with treating people as humans and not using the sorts of terms as though suddenly these women, who are taxpayers, are not valued as well. I think: why don\u2019t you just treat them with respect? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f3480bf7529748f895ab1481ca1c667b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Veterans\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd58184b456d4e04a21cd169e92ff004\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd58184b456d4e04a21cd169e92ff004\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN (National\u2014Waikato)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Veterans: What investments is the Government making to support veterans in Budget 2025?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u0022e25da846fb884eb6ab5ccd452d12efe4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e25da846fb884eb6ab5ccd452d12efe4\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Veterans):\u003C/span\u003E The Government\u2019s making significant investments to ensure that our New Zealand Defence Force remains a credible contributor here and overseas, but also looking after our people, past and present. That\u2019s why the Minister of Defence, Judith Collins, recently announced in the pre-Budget statement that there will be a boost of $1\u00A0million additional funding for Veterans\u2019 Affairs. This will specifically help to ensure that applications for the treatment they need and deserve will be processed in a much more timely fashion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255899d1d3a2e43249b30b58dd4b3a3d9\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Government making this investment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b8f2a575bc943eea84b65c9aee281b1\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s consistent with our efforts to improve public services across New Zealand, and that in turn must include that veterans have access to the timely services, such as treatment and rehabilitation, that they need. It\u2019s been a priority for me and the Government as a whole to reduce the period of time that veterans must wait to receive the processing of their claims. That\u2019s why last year, in fact, in the Budget, an additional $4\u00A0million had already been provided to ensure faster processing times.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abc10c473c194ed4b24b47d317af303c\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: What progress has been made to clear the backlog of applications for veterans\u2019 support?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224eac8c348710415aa0fdd13631c329aa\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Veterans\u2019 Affairs faced, at the peak of the backlog, some 2,800 unresolved claims. That was clearly unacceptable in the context of these personnel having served New Zealand with pride and distinction. Through a combination of hard work and the additional resourcing from Veterans\u2019 Affairs and the Government of the day, respectively, that backlog has been reduced to a little over 2,000 outstanding claims. That is still unacceptable. There is more work to do, but progress has been made and we look forward to continuing to make further progress in the weeks ahead.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3b55d21c0d2437eb8b8cd9146c668a2\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: What other recent announcements has the Government made for our veteran community?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ef2e91e99ce459fae1fc0cfa0e3fac9\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: The Government\u2019s also working to formally recognise more of our ex - New Zealand Defence Force service personnel as veterans in law. For those who\u2019ve worn the uniform, that particular word speaks to pride and holds deep personal meaning accordingly. We also intend to establish a national veterans\u2019 day, accompanied by an annual veterans\u2019 service award ceremony. As we speak, we\u2019re consulting with the veterans\u2019 community and all its key players about when this day should be commemorated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226b4112e84234491aa2ac96ddde768250\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022 data-id=\u002286c5999b52c74448b50fff2b565c5470\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286c5999b52c74448b50fff2b565c5470\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: E tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E[Does he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022e853691e47694139bbe4842ee36c60f6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e853691e47694139bbe4842ee36c60f6\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and I welcome the member\u2019s support for our coalition Government\u2019s support and use of gas. I notice in their alternative budget that they have $800\u00A0million set aside for securing gas supply and I think that\u2019s a good idea.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298a506a7ec584d7496a77b69e4403a24\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Good. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b702becc81124126bc13369c9edf8538\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his answer\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a08bece3c2041b8821f52f1d5d491a5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just a moment. You\u2019re here to answer questions about the Government, not to inform the Opposition of their own policies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fde75d085add4a52b1fdeff895e1c386\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m happy to debate the Green Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a639366b7e21491eafa54d5226bd4ec7\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3149b03df8e4920b4f3bd3d5d338cd9\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, we can.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d84cc1a710343ebabce23ae786e56ec\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick, you are trifling with the House. I\u2019ll cut your question off if you do that again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022125f50ec6c104187a644b060627605eb\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his answer yesterday, \u201CI am comfortable with the concept of profit\u201D in the context of our country having among the world\u2019s most expensive early childcare costs, clearly driven by profit motive?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e84f46fa5e334722afc8bdd11c8bc821\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think there\u2019s a lot of assumptions in that question. What I would say is that I\u2019m against $44\u00A0billion in additional debt, I\u2019m against $88\u00A0billion in additional tax, and that would be very worrying as an alternative Labour-Greens Government if that was followed through as real policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d9da9a071a34147b850af5be58d25e4\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. How can that question be allowed when it makes an argumentation about the cost drivers of early childcare education, which may be the member\u2019s ideological presupposition but actually has no basis in fact?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b72126ef6174755975987bac5b8b2ce\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ve had one of those days where people have said a lot of things that don\u2019t strictly comply with some of the Standing Orders that it has been suggested I should be strictly following. I thought it was question No. 12, the House was in a quiet state, and I thought it was a question the Prime Minister could relatively easily answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296db84c72e9641a29857f410e4f7ab59\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Why does the Prime Minister think we have among the most expensive early childhood education costs for parents in the world, while we also happen to have among the highest Government subsidies in the world for early childhood education, if not for the profit motive in the middle?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8987d5a5c574288a1ce43dcc79c3a80\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, many commentators have observed that we\u2019ve got high early childhood education costs, but we do have Government subsidies to support parents. One of those great programmes is FamilyBoost, and I encourage more parents to apply for support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6aaa634673e49579c3fa8871c1f5cb7\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: What would make the most difference for families in this country: his administratively expensive FamilyBoost, which just 249 families are receiving the full entitlement for, or publicly owned free early childhood education?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238f49d4ab7db45749649b9d2f52d4e6b\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: What would make the most difference to families in New Zealand is a Government that runs the economy incredibly well, that doesn\u2019t waste money, that lowers inflation, that lowers interest rates, that gets economic growth going, and that gets people in jobs. That\u2019s the work of this Government, you know; that\u2019s what we\u2019re doing. We want to lower the cost of living for New Zealanders and that\u2019s because we\u2019ve got good economic management. Fundamentally, if you care about working people, you run the economy well. Unfortunately, that didn\u2019t happen in the Labour-Greens Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b69ec39b5ed4cd0ab6a59049b9f6b0b\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Should early childhood education be free for families; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213ac2b33696d4621828b00cb105bfcb2\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we have an early childhood sector that, actually, the Minister\u2019s done some good work on, about taking out cost and compliance, by getting sensible regulation in place. Of course, parents have the support from Government with some subsidies and, also, as I say, the FamilyBoost programme\u2019s a great one and I encourage parents to sign up for it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ccc7fbc7314b4bb6afdc5b6ad21f2395\u0022\u003EPoint of Order\u2014Use of Quoted Material in Oral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u00224ffffd90604e4d868d5c1109763fa0a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ffffd90604e4d868d5c1109763fa0a5\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Oceans and Fisheries):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order. Sir, I want to raise a tricky point of order, because we had the most extraordinary day of language in the House. Speakers\u2019 ruling 188 deals with the acceptance of questions. We know\u2014those of us who have been around for a while\u2014that the Clerk\u2019s Office has a great deal of influence and guidance as to the content and character of questions. But the final arbiter, sir, is you. Then we go down to Speakers\u2019 rulings 191, where it makes specific reference to newspaper articles. When you go away, hopefully, and review today\u2019s events, can I urge you to not make the same mistake we made today by enabling a quote to slip into a question which was guaranteed to lead to disorder, presumably because the architect had that in mind. It\u2019s not good for the people in the gallery and it sure as hell ain\u2019t good for the people watching at home.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f287126969b432e989773e897525e69\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s also not particularly good for the member to tell me that I\u2019ve made a mistake.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225eb2505e058d4ac7b7e77f5759bef83a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10 to Minister\u2014Amended Answer\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022 data-id=\u00222119022204574591b4121fbe30fe78a4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222119022204574591b4121fbe30fe78a4\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS (Minister for the Public Service):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222962f07879d949b7959e0e09c3bbab11\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: A new point of order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208c0c1b051ba4a44b8701869ed660eb9\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, entirely new\u2014thank you, Mr Speaker. I seek leave to correct an answer to an oral question from today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca34726ebc4b4ad495baf909eecfbcb6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought. Is there any objection to that course of action? There appears to be none. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e26721e8a2af444cbd125965d4d432f6\u0022\u003EHon JUDITH COLLINS\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I answered a question from the member Camilla Belich regarding the gender pay gap. What I should have said was that the gender pay gap has decreased by 1\u00A0percent over the last year in the Public Service to 6.1\u00A0percent and that the pay has gone up 4\u00A0percent for men since 30 June 2023 and up 5.1\u00A0percent for women in that time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225edbeb4dd7204640b010a45ecfc65a50\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: We come to the end of question time. Before I call on an honourable member to move miscellaneous business, those who need to leave for other activities, other commitments, please do so quietly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002206fb06dac57b4fdd8d1a22694ef2388a\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e0af97031b704b158d5fc8b69b078ae0\u0022\u003EGeneral Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u00224f384ca74fd24958a2fe8f91d7a0b3d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f384ca74fd24958a2fe8f91d7a0b3d4\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the House take note of miscellaneous business. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EFundamentally, Budgets are about people and choices. We have already seen the choices this Government are making in this year\u2019s Budget. For landlords: billions of dollars. For tobacco companies: hundreds of millions of dollars. For the New Zealand Defence Force: billions of dollars. For low-paid, hard-working Kiwi women wanting pay equity, they get nothing\u2014\u201CGet back in line\u201D according to this Government. In fact, not just \u201CGet back in line\u201D but \u201CGet to the back of the line and start again.\u201D That\u2019s the message from this Government and this year\u2019s Budget for hard-working Kiwi women who have been fighting to be paid fairly. It says everything about this Government\u2019s twisted priorities that they are looking to balance the Budget by taking\u00A0billions of dollars away from our lowest-paid workforces. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s been a lot of contention in the last few days about the facts around pay equity, so let me just recap some of the facts that even the Government are not contesting. Fact number one: 33 existing pay equity claims covering 180,000 people, mostly women, have been extinguished. That is a fact that not even the Government are denying. Fact number two: not all of those 180,000 people are eligible to apply under the new pay equity regime that they have delivered. So some of those who are working through the process have found their claim extinguished, gone for ever; the promise of pay equity off the table for ever for them under this Government. Number three\u2014which, again, the Government are not contesting: that this change has saved them\u00A0billions of dollars.\u00A0Billions of dollars. In fact, David Seymour was caught telling the truth when he said that it had \u201Csaved the Government\u2019s Budget\u201D. The Government saved their Budget at the expense of low-paid, hard-working New Zealanders, most of whom are women. That is how the Government have chosen to balance their Budget, and that cannot be contested. Four, and a very clear claim: those who do pursue new claims will almost certainly get less under the new formula that the Government has come up with. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThose are clear facts. What we\u2019ve seen from the Government is gaslighting. I think New Zealanders know a cut when they see it, and this is undoubtedly a cut to the pay of hundreds of thousands of low-paid women in New Zealand, and they can see a cut when they are given one, and this Government has absolutely done that. Then we saw the defence from the Government, the myth that this was somehow a result of a flaw with the 2020 law. Well, let\u2019s go back and see what the National Party said at the time. Nicola Willis stood in this House, not far from where I\u2019m standing now, and actually said that the bill in 2020 \u201Cwas all National\u2019s work\u201D. In fact, she claimed it was their bill. She said it was \u201Ca National bill with a Labour sticker on it\u201D. And now she\u2019s trying to claim that the bill was wrong, despite the fact that, at the time, she was trying to say it was all their idea. I think New Zealanders can see gaslighting when they see it, and that is exactly what they are seeing from this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EThen we have seen Chris Bishop jumping on his high horse and saying, \u201CLabour needed to do better\u201D. I can only say I hope he didn\u2019t injure himself as he fell off his high horse when it was flying at breakneck speed in the opposite direction, because at the same time he was saying we needed to do better, his own party was posting artificial intelligence - generated images of me when he was saying that we needed to \u201Craise the tone\u201D of the debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003EDespite the best efforts of members on the other side, this isn\u2019t actually about us; it\u2019s about the low-paid New Zealand women who this Government are cutting\u00A0millions of dollars from the pay packets of. They try and say, \u201Cthat\u2019s not a pay cut\u201D. I think those who are now going to be paid less in the future because of the Government\u2019s decisions, the Government\u2019s choices, are going to feel like it\u2019s a pay cut. If we legislate it in this House to take away the two pay rises that members of the House\u2014including members opposite\u2014are going to get over the next 18 months, they would regard that as a pay cut. Why should low-paid New Zealand women regard it as anything other than a pay cut when this Government legislate, change the law, to cancel their pay equity claim and take away\u00A0billions of dollars that have been set aside to pay for fair pay for Kiwi women?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00220ee61974252a45ab935a0cf4d15a0c05\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220ee61974252a45ab935a0cf4d15a0c05\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E The \u201Cc\u201D word\u2019s been thrown around a bit in the last week. I want to read out some \u201Cc\u201D words that I think apply to the Labour Opposition: callous, cruel, and cowardly. I\u2019ll tell you what\u2019s callous: callous is spending the better part of five years as the alleged progressive feminist movement on the Opposition crying about gendered abuse of female MPs and, when it\u2019s doled out to women on the right, saying nothing. That is callous.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe standard you walk past is the standard you would set, and this week Chris Hipkins and the Labour Party senior MPs had an opportunity to stand up against misogyny and gendered abuse. In 2023, Chris Hipkins said there was \u201Cno question \u2026 women in leadership \u2026 [were] the subject of far more abuse and vitriol\u201D and \u201CI think we do have a responsibility as men to step up and to condemn that and to speak out against it.\u201D I agree. Fast-forward two years, after a disgusting column on the weekend, widely condemned around the country, using the \u201Cc\u201D word and other pejorative terms about senior women MPs on the right\u2014fast-forward two years later, what does Chris Hipkins say? Oh, that\u2019s just free speech: \u201CI\u2019m not going to tell them what they\u2019re allowed to say.\u201D, \u201CI believe in the independence of the media.\u201D, \u201CWhat [they] choose to publish is a question for them.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ENo one\u2019s disputing they can publish that. The question is: is it right? And Chris Hipkins, the alleged progressive feminist who leads the party that like to tell us that they are the \u201Cparty for women\u201D\u2014in fact, they spent much of the last week lying about that. He likes to tell us that they\u2019re the party for women. He had an opportunity to condemn that column and the pile-on that resulted afterwards, and he chose not to\u2014and I apologise, I shouldn\u2019t have said that, Mr Speaker, I know you\u2019re about to get to your feet. I shouldn\u2019t have said that word that you\u2019re not allowed to say.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022713be04a9cc949998c59cbd2f743c6d6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Then apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc6b6c91837d499c937118937e26e386\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: So that is callous. That\u2019s a \u201Cc\u201D word that applies to Chris Hipkins and the Labour Party. I\u2019ll tell you what else is cruel, is the double standards and the misleading statements that have been put out by the Labour Party over the course of the last week. Because this debate all started because of the actions the Government took when it comes to equal pay, and we have heard all sorts of nonsense from the Opposition. They have said on Facebook that National is cutting women\u2019s pay; that is not true. They have said that equal pay is being abolished; that is not true. They have said pay equity is being abolished; that is not true. They have said equal pay and pay equity claims can no longer proceed; that is not true. In fact, the Government has set aside more money for pay equity claims. The Labour Party really needs to do better when it comes to what they are saying about this controversial topic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe other point that I would say would be callous and cruel would be the alternative budget released by the Green Party, to segue to something completely different.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea4a211471f54d4d8690e3c2db8b4b3d\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Sing it!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e248a63d4fe4d28836d1f0879c6b330\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: She says \u201CSing it\u201D\u2014oh boy, I\u2019ll sing it. Here are the facts\u2014here is what they\u2019ve literally just put out in the last couple of hours: $44\u00A0billion in additional debt, taking debt to 50\u00A0percent of GDP. It\u2019s already gone up by $120\u00A0billion, but, \u201CNo, no, no, no, no\u201D, say the Greens, \u201CWe need more.\u201D; $88\u00A0billion in additional tax\u2014this is all in their budget; higher income tax rates, wealth tax, trust tax, inheritance tax, higher ACC levies, higher company tax, the private jet tax, higher mining taxes, and bringing back the tenant taxes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EOh, well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Labour Party\u2019s coalition partner. Goodness me, the next 18 months are going to be a good time. Because here\u2019s the question for the Labour Party: do they believe in all of these things? Because I can\u2019t wait to hear them talk about income tax, wealth taxes, trust taxes, ACC levies, and don\u2019t worry, here\u2019s a really good one: reducing the prison population and closing the military academies to pay for it, and paying everyone on the unemployment benefit more money. What a prescription for New Zealand! Bring on 2026. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022657af1a6bdee4bcc8ccf40cbffa71689\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, sir. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f73906521b604980883fffcb499f113a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a point of order; we\u2019ll be quiet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268eb734955804b06966fb709cd3f1d45\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: So Hansard will recall that in response to Chris Bishop indicating that he said something that was unparliamentary that you said, \u201CWell, apologise\u201D and he did not. I believe if we are going to ensure that parliamentary standards are adhered to that he should at least withdraw and apologise even though he has acknowledged he shouldn\u2019t have said it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e95d1f05bb6b45fb9d5ce47ae54d47b4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just\u2014I would have intervened, but I heard it asked as a question, which brings it slightly into order. Same discussion I had with you a couple of weeks ago. But for the sake of order, it might be useful to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e0e2d4eb8f545cf9e97d3a9374b49db\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: I did say it in my speech, but I withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022 data-id=\u002246a11eb79ce04193b0d839570e6366d0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002246a11eb79ce04193b0d839570e6366d0\u0022\u003ELAURA McCLURE (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. [Holds up image] This image is a naked image of me, but it is not real. This image is what we call a \u201Cdeepfake\u201D. It took me less than five minutes to make a series of deepfakes of myself. Scaringly, it was a quick Google search for the technology of what\u2019s available. When you type \u201Cdeepfake nudify\u201D into the Google search with your filter off, hundreds of sites appear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003EThe rise in sexually explicit material and deepfakes has become a huge issue. As our party\u2019s education spokesperson, not only do I hear the concerns of parents but I hear the concerns of teachers and principals, where this trend is increasing at an alarming rate. This worrying trend is becoming more prevalent with this available tech readily available to use\u2014anybody can use it. In fact, I didn\u2019t need to enter an email address; I just had to tick a box to say I was 18 and that it was my image and I could use it\u2014which is pretty scary, to be honest. It wasn\u2019t on an app that I downloaded, because the App Store has a pretty good filter to actually deal with quite a few of these things. It was just on our internet, not the deep dark web. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003EFor the victims, it is degrading and devastating. It even gives me the ick having to stand here in Parliament and hold up a photo of myself\u2014knowing that it\u2019s not me, but that it looks exactly like me. This technology is getting better and better every single day. Creating and posting deepfake porn without consent is a form of image-based abuse. Vaughan Couillault, the president of the Secondary Principals\u2019 Association of New Zealand, said, \u201CIt\u2019s not as low level and as simple as the perpetrator might think it is. It\u2019s not cheap entertainment, it\u2019s life-damaging work.\u201D Catherine Abel-Pattinson of Netsafe is quoted as saying, \u201CEvery day we answer the phone and we have suicidal people on the other end because stuff like this has been sent and it\u2019s not them.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003EWhile researching for this bill, I heard stories\u2014mostly from youth and nearly always female. All talked about the lack of consequence or support for victims in schools for this type of bullying and abuse. In a news report last year, it talked about two schools reeling from the spread of social media of deepfake pornographic images of their students. Fifteen of those students were at a school in North Canterbury, quite close to me. Around 50 at another location have asked to not be named.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003EOne story I have heard of this happening to is a migrant student, who not only was humiliated and degraded by it, it was also culturally crippling and devastating. This young girl went on to self-harm as a coping mechanism to deal with the effects of this trauma. Current legislation does not keep up with this tech and the world we live in. There is a grey area, and we haven\u2019t defined the use of AI for synthetic, sexually explicit content, images, or content providing harmful intent without this clarification, and it needs changing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003EI have a member\u2019s bill, that is in the tin right now, that we could actually close this gap. I think that everybody across this House would find how alarming this could be. This may not be limited to just celebrities any more\u2014or, potentially, politicians\u2014this could be your child, this could be your colleague, this could be your friend, or anyone within your wh\u0101nau. This Parliament, no matter what side of the political spectrum you come from, must act now to protect our most vulnerable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003EThis also leads me to the other issue currently being discussed amongst politicians, parents, schools, and our youth: it\u2019s the possibility of a social media ban. As a parent, I find it extremely worrying the effects that social media may be having on my children. They, very thankfully, are not on social media. I really welcome this House to have a deep and thorough debate, and I think it\u2019s important to see that today there is a select committee that is opening a type of inquiry into this. I think it\u2019s extremely important that we all engage in this. What we want to do and what we must do is we must make sure that we get the right settings in place, that we don\u2019t just act out of fear and concern and just rush in a piece of legislation that may not work. We need to think about how we can best protect our children, our youth, going forward. Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u002240a05b6875234a0f8343306c61a4a0e0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002240a05b6875234a0f8343306c61a4a0e0\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Today, we released the Green Budget, which shows that we can have an Aotearoa where everyone has what they need to live good lives, where we protect our rivers and our oceans and our native species, and where we leave our mokopuna with a stable planet. We have enough. It just takes political courage to make the decisions. There is enough to go around, there is enough kai for no one to starve, and there is enough money for everyone to have a livable income. We do have what we need to mitigate and adapt to climate change. We have what we need to protect our rivers and our health.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThe Greens are standing proudly behind our plan that shows Aotearoa that we can and must address the big issues that people care about. But for too long, the economic system has been rigged to benefit the rich at the expense of the wellbeing of everyone else and the wellbeing of our living systems.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EJust last week in this House, we saw this Government urgently rush through law that means that low-paid women are bearing the burden of this Government\u2019s tax cuts for the wealthy. Those are the types of economic choices that this Government chooses and that continue to bake in the inequities and the injustice of the uber-wealthy being able to hoard more wealth while the rest of the vast majority have to scrap over the crumbs. The Greens are proud of taxing wealth so that we can have free GP visits and free early childhood education and build more public housing and have livable incomes and protect our rivers and nurture our ecosystems. That is how we protect our economy\u2014by building our own resiliency, because we have the people, we have the land, and Governments have the tools to make sure that our communities are building the skills that we will all benefit from, like in our green-industry plan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EIt is insulting to hear this Prime Minister declare that New Zealand has been living beyond its means when so many families who are doing their best are struggling to make ends meet. Meanwhile, only 311 families have more wealth than 2.5\u00A0million of us. We can afford to pay workers, including women, what they are worth, but we cannot afford to keep propping up the super-rich. Unlocking the wealth we already have will help us invest back into the services that we all rely on, and I am proud of the Green Budget that we have released today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EDuring breast cancer treatment, I heard from women who had to go back to work after chemo infusion because our current ACC system does not provide for illness right at the time when their immunity is low and when they are feeling their crappiest, but they are worried about how they\u2019re going to pay their rent and look after their wh\u0101nau. The budget that we announced today would bring illness and sickness into the agency of comprehensive care to make sure that anyone diagnosed with illness can put their health and their wh\u0101nau first and not have the stress of having to worry about going back to work when they are sick. I know how important this is. I know every single family in here and every single person has a story of when it is so unjust and unfair for people to just not be able to focus on their health.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThose are the sorts of decisions that we have made in our budget today. We look forward to getting out to communities and discussing what this would mean, the way it would improve our lives and the lives of our mokopuna to come. No one should have to return to work when they are sick, and not everyone has the support that everyone deserves. We can change that. We can choose for our lives to be made better. We can choose to take care of each other and our living systems for our mokopuna to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EI am so proud of the work that we have done to share our Green Budget. I welcome all of the Government MPs talking about it the way that they are. Keep talking about it! We are going to keep talking about it. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022 data-id=\u00226617c5b982e248779a30f15e82fcb0a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226617c5b982e248779a30f15e82fcb0a9\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS (Minister of Revenue):\u003C/span\u003E Budget season has arrived, and we are now just eight sleeps away from the Minister of Finance revealing Budget 2025. But how could we forget one of the big announcements today, speaking of budgets. Of course we have seen Labour\u2019s coalition partner, the de-growth Greens, come out with their alternative budget, which focuses on taxing people more and letting debt skyrocket. I think we call it green waste.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EWhile the Government is focused on economic recovery, the Greens want to snatch more money out of the back pockets of hard-working Kiwis. While this Government is focused on getting the books back into surplus, that Opposition is thinking about skyrocketing debt and taking debt up by $44\u00A0billion, or over 53\u00A0percent of GDP. That is in stark contrast to what is required and that is not what you\u2019re going to see from this side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s reflect on Budget 2024. This Government promised tax relief and delivered it. We promised no new taxes and we delivered it. The first time in 14 years that tax relief has been given to hard-working Kiwis\u2014$3.7\u00A0billion back into the back pockets of hard-working Kiwis, and the Opposition voted against it. Budget 2024 also allocated $116\u00A0million over four years to support Inland Revenue (IRD) to collect debt and improve the tax compliance system. We know no one really likes paying taxes, but most Kiwis do the right thing and pay it. Those Kiwis meet their obligations, and we as a Government expect others to do the same.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EUnder the previous Government, New Zealand\u2019s tax debt rose substantially. For a party who loves taxes, the Greens and Labour aren\u2019t particularly good at collecting them. By the end of 2024, New Zealand\u2019s tax debt hit just over $8.5\u00A0billion. That is\u00A0billions of dollars that could be used and devoted to fund front-line services like schools, hospitals, and our Police. That\u2019s why we allocated in Budget 2024 more money for Inland Revenue to collect debt and to improve the tax system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s be clear: that investment isn\u2019t about punishing Kiwis who are doing their best and doing the right thing. It\u2019s about fairness. It\u2019s about making sure that that small number of Kiwis who are not paying their taxes are being followed up and ensuring that those people who do pay their taxes aren\u2019t being ripped off by those who deliberately don\u2019t. It\u2019s also about making sure that that money is used to fund the real things Kiwis need. These aren\u2019t abstract issues. They are real threats to our tax integrity in our system and it undermines trust and fairness.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003ETake the hidden economy. It\u2019s not just dodgy cash jobs; it\u2019s people operating entirely off the books while using the very services like health and education like the rest of us who pay for it. Or take electronic suppression software tools which are used to delete transaction records. It\u2019s deliberate action to avoid paying tax. We\u2019re already seeing significant results from that Budget\u2019s funding.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EIRD has ramped up audit activity by 50\u00A0percent this year and uncovered more than 2.5 times the tax discrepancies. By March, $1.2\u00A0billion had been assessed from audits. That\u2019s up $500\u00A0million from this time last year. Inland Revenue released figures on student loans yesterday. They collected more than $200\u00A0million in repayments since this time last year\u2014a 43\u00A0percent increase in the same period. Twelve thousand borrowers have been contacted, 1,300 have entered repayment schedules, and nearly 1,000 as a result of that activity have now fully paid off their overdue taxes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, these efforts show what is possible when we take a firm but fair approach focused on compliance. If you think that you might have outstanding tax debt, don\u2019t wait to be contacted by the IRD; they are there to help you. This Government is focused on delivering for Kiwis and every dollar we collect in those taxes is a dollar we don\u2019t need to borrow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u0022eca5a992e46e4b839d36c508443b2e2c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eca5a992e46e4b839d36c508443b2e2c\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. It was just over a week ago that we passed, through urgency, an egregious piece of legislation\u2014egregious piece of legislation\u2014which saw National cutting future women\u2019s pay to balance their Budget, taking money out of women\u2019s back pockets. It was said that it had to be rushed through\u2014it had to be rushed through. Their justification was that they might see an increase in claims. Well, how disingenuous is that? We know that claims took a long time to process. And why did they take a long time to process? Because they were robust.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EThe process that was put in place after the 2020 amendment Act was a robust process that made sure that we were getting it right. It was a process that was agreed across the House. The reason they put this through in urgency was it silenced voices. It silences the opposition that was going to be seen against this bill. Did it silence those voices? No, because people refused to be gaslit by this Government. We saw huge turnouts across the country, at very short notice, to protest against this, and we will see more over the coming weeks. That side of the House tried so hard\u2014so hard\u2014and are still trying so hard to justify this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EThe Minister of Finance said that she was shocked at how much these claims were costing when she came into her role. Was it that she was shocked at the cost of these claims, or was it that she was shocked at the extent of inequality across our society? Because that\u2019s exactly the pay inequities. What they are showing in this country is the extent of the inequality between those workforces that are male-dominated and those workforces that are female-dominated. It costs money to rectify inequality, but when you do rectify inequality, there are social and fiscal economic benefits for all, and they will ripple right through the community. So people that believe in trickle-down economics should be right behind and go hard-out for these pay equity claims.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EAmy Ross from the pay equity taskforce, who was the head of that before it was disbanded by that side of the House, said that they had conducted research that showed pay equity under the previous legislation, which they got rid of last week, reduced costs for Government through tax credits, income subsidies, and an increase on GST take. Money in communities revolved more. There was an increase in discretionary spending. But, most of all, people realised, and felt proud of the fact, that their work is being valued. Instead, what this Government has done is taken a short-term, rather than a long-term, look at this. They have made sure that they have put their priorities in finding money for tobacco companies, finding money for tax breaks for landlords, and finding money for tax cuts. That is what this is all about. Rather than taking a long-term look, they have taken the money out of the back pocket of women. Women are paying the price for their bad fiscal management. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EWomen and people around this country have had enough. They are tired. They are tired of talking about this like this is something that they will need to keep working for. This is a right. This is something that women should not be having to fight over, 50 years since the Equal Pay Act was first put in in the 1970s. The other area that I would mention is that they either have a misunderstanding or they are deliberately clouding the debate around comparators. They have said, \u201COh, we\u2019ve got this job and this job, and they do not add up.\u201D The job-evaluation process is not about that. It examines the skill, the responsibility, the effort, the experience, and the conditions of work, and it is an extremely robust process that was happening. That is why it took so long. For them to misrepresent it is them misrepresenting the work that women have been doing for centuries and are being undervalued for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI will go back to say that women and other people who are in those jobs have had enough. It is time we stood up as a Parliament. It is time that we said we will come together on this and not play short-term politics.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022 data-id=\u0022eff345ceb9404e8d822a1c15884f2acf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eff345ceb9404e8d822a1c15884f2acf\u0022\u003ESUZE REDMAYNE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E Boy racers are out of control across the mighty Rangit\u012Bkei, across New Zealand, and we are not alone; we\u2019re absolutely over it. New Zealanders are saying the same thing everywhere: enough is enough. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve had enough of the rise in antisocial behaviour, dangerous driving, illegal street racing, intimidating vehicle convoys, threats to police. Behaviour like this has left our communities fed up and fearful. I\u2019m proud to support our Government\u2019s decisive move to crack down on this behaviour with tougher laws, stronger penalties, and more powers for our police. The changes we announced over the weekend will give police more tools in their tool kit when trying to rid the streets of this kind of antisocial behaviour. More expensive fines to dish out, too; higher likelihood of offending cars being crushed\u2014bring back \u201CCrusher\u201D! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EThe good people of Rangit\u012Bkei have seen and heard more than enough. In March, Feilding residents endured three days\u2014three consecutive nights\u2014of road closures, roaring engines, street racers turning Makino Road into a skid pad. \u201CIt makes your blood boil.\u201D, one resident told me. Another told the local Manawat\u016B Standard: \u201CIt\u2019s just crazy. This is our intersection\u2014it\u2019s just littered with tyre rubber. They wreck the streets. It costs ratepayers money to fix it. It\u2019s out of control.\u201D She made 10 calls to 111. \u201CThe time for action is now,\u201D she said, \u201Cbefore we face further destruction or even worse, a tragic accident.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s exactly what happened last year in Himatangi: a spectator, a 16-year-old boy, lost his leg when a car went out of control. Gatherings of hoons and spectators routinely take over Halcombe Road near the K\u0101k\u0101riki Road Bridge, the Colyton Road turnoff at Kimbolton Road, and Mt Stewart Halcombe Road intersection. Suburban streets aren\u2019t immune either. The problem isn\u2019t just noise and roads and public safety; it\u2019s the escalating lawlessness. In Levin, my colleague Tim Costley witnessed things turning violent, with reports of drugs, weapons, and intimidation. An event in June 2024 was described by one officer as the worst situation of its kind he\u2019s ever encountered in his 26 years of policing. He said participants and spectators are displaying a new level of militancy and arrogance. It used to be that the boy racers would disappear as soon as they got wind the police were on their way. It\u2019s now more war than hide and seek. They\u2019re acting like \u201CThis is our patch and if we want to do burnouts, tough luck to you.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EMembers of the public have even resorted to vigilantism, using tractors to charge at racers\u2014not something I\u2019d recommend. It\u2019s Mad Max in Rongotea. While I understand the justified anger of the public, this is not the way to go. Our Government has acted to resolve these issues. Minister Chris Bishop and the Minister of Police, Mark Mitchell, are taking action. Under our new proposals, those caught fleeing the police, organising street races, or refusing to name drivers will face presumptive vehicle destruction. If you want to act like a hooligan, you can expect your car to be crushed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EThere will be new powers to manage illegal gatherings, by closing roads and issuing instant infringements, and the fine for making excessive noise is going to go up sixfold. We\u2019re backing our communities and backing our police with the tools they need to end this behaviour. We won\u2019t tolerate this any more. The legislation will be introduced to the House in the next few months. We\u2019re going to see it through all the way to the scrap metal heap. Our message to the people of Rangit\u012Bkei and the people of New Zealand is clear: we\u2019re empowering our police and taking back our community roads. We\u2019re putting these hoods on notice. To the boy racers: no more Fast \u0026amp; Furious. With this Government, reckless driving doesn\u2019t get you a sequel; it gets you a sentence and a crushed car. If you put lives at risk; you tear up our roads; if you engage in intimidating, illegal, antisocial behaviour, you will face the consequences and you will face life without your car. Thank you, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022 data-id=\u002229183a5184254af3a3dd3a4636010d8f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002229183a5184254af3a3dd3a4636010d8f\u0022\u003EH\u016AHANA LYNDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Speaker. I stand in the House, again, to talk about the fast-track legislation and the impact that it is having on local communities because this Government favours the ultra-wealthy big business over the voice of community. This Government has shut out the voice of community when we saw over 23,000 submissions submitted against the fast-track legislation and gave a hand up to 149 projects that saw those companies getting to the front of the line when developing across the country and shutting out us as te iwi M\u0101ori. Because, as te iwi M\u0101ori, we\u2019ve got a limited purview\u2014only 20 working days to respond to fast-track applications. That\u2019s how narrow it is for us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003ENow, in Tai Tokerau, we have zombie projects coming back into the rohe, like McCallum Bros, who were pushed out of P\u0101kiri after 80 years of sand mining, are now sniffing around Bream Bay, and will get the opportunity through the fast track to mine and dredge across te whanga o Whang\u0101rei for 35 years, five days a week, six hours a day. And that\u2019s coming into our rohe of Te Tai Tokerau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003EThe ultra-rich are the ones getting the hand up from this Government. When we look at Waipiro Bay, a current application which is live: 250-berth marina in the Bay of Islands. My k\u0101inga. [Holds up map of Waipiro Bay] As I might share with the House, this is whenua M\u0101ori. This is called Orokawa. Over here is the area where Waipiro Bay marina is to be established, with 250 berths, retail stores, a petrol station, and hospitality, in the back blocks of the Bay of Islands. That\u2019s my k\u0101inga. This is where our people gather kai. This is the p\u0101taka of Patukeha and Ngati Kuta. The community is being shut out of the fast-track process. Because that\u2019s the thing: this Government favours the ultra-wealthy to build a 250-berth marina in Waipiro Bay, the Bay of Islands, and forgets about those most impacted\u2014whenua M\u0101ori, Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act claimants, also our hau k\u0101inga and marae and hap\u016B and iwi\u2014with only 20 working days to respond. There is going to be massive visual impact with 250 boats parked up in Waipiro Bay, just around the corner from Parekura Bay, Orokawa bluff, where my t\u016Bpuna and wh\u0101nau currently live.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003EThis is like a lived experience right now, and this is what the rest of New Zealand has to look forward to through the fast-track legislation. Because it\u2019s not just the 149 projects; it\u2019s those that were not listed and are coming through the front door right now, impacting upon communities, impacting upon iwi M\u0101ori. Now, Patukeha and Ngati Kuta are unashamedly working with community, saying, \u201CNo. We don\u2019t want this development in our k\u0101inga. We know that there\u2019s going to be impact on our takutai moana.\u201D The hap\u016B is already under stress with the Caulerpa outbreak just around the corner at Omakiwi. There\u2019s a can in the area where Waipiro Bay is proposed to be built. You\u2019re meant to be protecting the takutai and yet, in the fast track, you\u2019re going to degrade the takutai, because you\u2019re going to be privatising takutai moana, locking out our customary interests as 11 hap\u016B and iwi and intensifying development. Scraping up the takutai. Nine hectares of sand\u2014of takutai moana\u2014will be tut\u016B-ed with by a company that is only there to furnish wealthy businessmen and landowners so they can park up their boats and yachts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003ETangata whenua have united with community, and today we have nearly 12,000 signatures on a petition launched only one week ago. That\u2019s how important fast track is to community is that it is the voice of the people coming through. It is showing support for Patukeha, Ngati Kuta, and all of the tangata whenua impacted, and this is what this Government prioritises: the ultra-wealthy, the rich, compared to us as iwi k\u0101inga, as community, shut out through a process that neglects the taiao and neglects the voice of mana i te whenua. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022 data-id=\u0022dec70f2e4e634635aa6a45d513a29594\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dec70f2e4e634635aa6a45d513a29594\u0022\u003ECAMILLA BELICH (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Last week, on 7 May 2025, this House took a step backwards for the rights of women when it unilaterally cancelled, without any notice and any due process, the pay equity claims for equal pay for work of equal value for 180,000 New Zealanders. This is a huge step backwards for our country, not only in relation to women\u2019s rights but also in relation to human rights. But we on this side of the House know that we are on the right side of history by standing up against these unilateral decisions that take literally\u00A0billions of dollars out of the back pockets of women.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003ENow, Budgets are a choice. It is a choice that the Government has to make, whether to build a future or to cut, and the National Party and the National-led Government, in this instance, are cutting what women are getting paid. They have managed to find hundreds of\u00A0millions of dollars for tobacco companies, but at the same time, they give with one hand to tobacco companies and take with the other from the pockets of working women.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard a lot about the particular scheme that was in place, and I would like to challenge anyone who has an issue with that law to provide evidence on any allegations that you make that it was unworkable. We have seen, since that last Act was passed, 10 settlements that have valued the historically underpaid work of working women. That shows that this process is working. Is it straightforward? No. Is it simple? No. Is it affordable and cheap and easy for the Government to find that money? It\u2019s a challenge to be able to fully address the historic undervaluation that women have suffered. But does that make it wrong? No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve also heard about the impact of comparators, and I would like to ask, rhetorically: how do you assess historic undervaluation without the use of comparators? The bill that the Government has put forward will continue to require the use of comparators. They will continue to require the comparison of jobs that, on the face of it, look very different. This is how undervaluation is assessed\u2014very, very carefully, very, very scientifically, in agreement, looking for the skills that underpin that. That is a part of this new law, and it shouldn\u2019t be used as a reason to attack the law that was lost.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EThe rhetoric around this has been strong, and it deserves to be, but I want to bring the debate back to the people who are really affected by this. I have something to read out from one of those people who were affected, a library worker whose claim has been extinguished. She says, \u201CThe end of our claim is devastating to myself and my colleagues. We were so close to a result, and to see that stripped away is so incredibly painful. We will go on providing for our community. We will continue to help elderly patrons with their technology problems. We will keep on helping children to develop their love of reading. We will keep on assisting patrons with other requests that we get every day. It\u2019s just now that we do it knowing that our Government does not value our work and in the knowledge that we will have to start our long fight for fair wages all over again. Our hearts are broken.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EThat is just one example that I have time to read in this short call, but I can assure the House that it is not an isolated example. Every single one of those 180,000 people that stood to benefit from those pay-equity claims will have similar stories of hope and similar stories of heartbreak at what this Government has decided to do\u2014similar stories of dreams for their family, of what they could finally do when their work was properly valued and similar stories of how those dreams have been taken away.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EThe Government has said that this was not about the Budget. No one believes that. They\u2019ve said that it won\u2019t make a big difference to women. No one believes that. They\u2019ve said it was about improving the law. No one believes that. They\u2019ve said that this pay equity, working for equal pay for work of equal value, was a grievance industry. That is simply not true. They have tried to blame those on this side of the House and tried to say that we are the ones at fault when they are the ones who are taking\u00A0billions of dollars away from undervalued women in New Zealand today. This is a shameful week for this Parliament, and I do not doubt that, when we come back to look at this period of history, we will see who was on the right side\u2014this side of the House\u2014and that that Government was in the wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022 data-id=\u00227cd0083843ff467a9e02499f1e15abfd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227cd0083843ff467a9e02499f1e15abfd\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Speaker, thank you for the opportunity to stand up in this general debate. The last time I had this awesome opportunity was late last year, and so much has happened to continue getting Takanini back on track that I\u2019d love to share with the House, and with my husband in the gallery and with people listening from across these walls. But, first, I\u2019d like to acknowledge our Anzacs, our veterans, and our M\u0101ori Battalion, particularly with Anzac Day just past a few weeks ago\u2014lest we forget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EJust the day before Anzac Day, we had the pleasure of hosting Minister Chris Bishop, Minister Simeon Brown, and Minister Judith Collins in Takanini as, collectively, they announced that the New Zealand Transport Agency Board had endorsed the investment case for stage one of the Mill Road project, and this is Manukau to Alfriston. In my maiden speech, I spoke about Mill Road, and I, along with many other MPs, have been fighting for Mill Road to be done for a very long time. The previous Labour administration said that they would do it in 2017. They reneged. Then they promised they\u2019d do it in 2020, and they reneged on that, again. But we\u2019re getting it done, and I cannot wait. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EAlso in April, a few weeks ago, Minister Stanford, the Minister of Education, announced 18 extra classrooms\u2014more rebuilds\u2014at Ormiston Senior College, and this is just wonderful news for the teachers, for the students, and for the parents in my patch, in Takanini. Flat Bush is one of the fastest-growing electorate areas in the country. This is going to help so much. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EIn February of this year\u2014it just keeps getting better for Takanini\u2014Minister Bishop announced our Government\u2019s plan to invest $200\u00A0million towards removing the train level crossings, most of which are in Takanini. This will mean less time in traffic, it\u2019s safer for drivers and for pedestrians, and it will improve productivity, something that we love to improve on this side of the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EThis year has seen so many beautiful cultural events take place in my electorate of Takanini. We celebrated the Cambodian Buddhist New Year at the Cambodian temple in April. Thank you, Mr Lim and your team for the beautiful display of culture you put on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EIn the first week of April as well, the PM and other Ministers were at Polyfest at the Manukau Sports Bowl, which is also in my electorate. I personally loved watching Alfriston College score on the Niuean stage, with their powerful and beautiful performance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EIn February, there was the official opening of the Auckland New Zealand Temple for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Thank you to the elders for opening up the temple for those small few weeks so that we could have a fascinating tour and learn more about their practices. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EThere was also the Lunar New Year at Manukau Sports Bowl in Takanini; Holi, the Festival of Colours, at Barry Curtis Park in Flat Bush; and the Tamil harvest festival, or Pongal, at Bruce Pulman Park. I love being the member of Parliament for Takanini. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EI\u2019m very proud of the six students from Ormiston Senior College that were in the eight finalists for the Auckland region for the Race Unity Speech Awards competition. One of those was the ultimate national winner, and I\u2019d like to acknowledge Jordyn Pillay from Ormiston Senior College for her outstanding speech. I\u2019d also like to acknowledge the principal, Tim Botting, and his team for obviously instilling so much confidence and self-reflection in their students. I\u2019d like to ask the House: what do we say to our young students about how to present themselves to the world as they embark on their futures?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EIf you don\u2019t mind, Mr Speaker, although most of my speech was filled with happy thoughts, I will end with this. Where are our standards, and what are we saying to our young girls when the Opposition members across the House\u2014not one of them has stood up and condemned the disgusting use of the \u201Cc\u201D word from a disgusting journalist last week. They\u2019re silent on the \u201Cc\u201D word, but they\u2019re not silent when it comes to manipulating a situation to harvest votes. It\u2019s disappointing, and I encourage them to not manipulate the broken hearts\u2014if they\u2019re going to say there are broken hearts of people\u2014to harvest votes, but to call out disgusting behaviour, just like we often do on other matters. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EMr Speaker, that\u2019s how I will end this speech. Thank you for this opportunity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022 data-id=\u00228c3b47e6fa8348ee85dd46ccfc093820\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c3b47e6fa8348ee85dd46ccfc093820\u0022\u003ERAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. The only \u201Cc\u201D word that\u2019s done more damage to us here in Aotearoa is \u201Ccolonisation\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EThis Government is committed to working against the needs of its people. They are committed to making aggressive and regressive changes to this country. And they are dedicated to blaming the system they inherited, to detract from how willing they are to keep the everyday people of Aotearoa suffering. What we are seeing is not hidden. What we are enduring is not subtle. It is blatant disregard for our people and it is unacceptable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EWhen Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori offer up transformative solutions or speak to an Aotearoa hou and what that will look like for our mokopuna, this Government is quick to scream \u201Cseparatist\u201D. They say \u201Cseparatist\u201D; we say \u201Cindependent\u201D. They say \u201Cradical\u201D; we say \u201Ctransformative\u201D. They say \u201Crace-based\u201D; we say \u201Crights-based\u201D. They say \u201Cdivisive\u201D; we say \u201Crestorative\u201D. They say \u201Cspecial treatment\u201D; we say \u201Cequal footing\u201D. They say \u201Cgrievance politics\u201D; we say \u201Cjustice\u201D. They say \u201Cbackward\u201D; we say \u201Chonouring our t\u012Bpuna\u201D. They say \u201Cidentity politics\u201D; we say \u201Cmana motuhake\u201D. Does Government fear anything aspirational; anything that dares to dream beyond the confines of comfort for the 1\u00A0percent? What they call \u201Cseparatism\u201D, we call \u201Cself-determination\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003ESelf-determination is not divisive. It means M\u0101ori designing solutions for M\u0101ori, based on our own tikanga, values, and aspirations. It means a future where both Te Tiriti partners thrive in their own right and in mutual respect. This self-determination is not only for the benefit of M\u0101ori but for the benefit of all of Aotearoa. A Whare M\u0101ori that speaks to sovereignty and partnership. A Whare M\u0101ori is not a breakaway State; it is a constitutional commitment to shared power, as promised in He Whakaputanga and Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It supports localised solutions and economic justice. It\u2019s about restoring what was promised under Te Tiriti o Waitangi: that M\u0101ori would have full authority over our lives, resources, and systems.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EWhen we speak to a M\u0101ori tax system, this calls for economic autonomy. When we speak to a M\u0101ori health system, we are calling for oranga grounded in kaupapa M\u0101ori\u2014models like Wh\u0101nau Ora that are centred around wairua, wh\u0101nau, and whenua, not just pharmaceuticals and profit. When we speak to M\u0101ori superannuation and ACC, we say that reflects intergenerational equity, where our needs, realities, and contributions are recognised. When we speak to M\u0101ori supermarkets, it is about feeding our people, controlling our supply chains, kai sovereignty, supporting M\u0101ori producers, and keeping profits in our communities. It is not exclusion; it\u2019s economic liberation. It\u2019s about creating a future where M\u0101ori are not an afterthought but a cornerstone of the society in Aotearoa. It\u2019s about honouring Te Tiriti. It is about building a nation where equity comes from empowerment, not assimilation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EOften this k\u014Drero is met with scoffs from across the room and heckles from those with the inability to think bigger, to think wider than the confines of Western colonial constructs. But Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori isn\u2019t responsible to you and the inability for you to see the bigger picture. We are responsible for normalising what an Aotearoa hou can look like for our people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EWhat does an Aotearoa hou look like for us? We would welcome you\u2014not just the landlords and the 1\u00A0percent but the unseen essential workers who work tirelessly to support this country, our takat\u0101pui wh\u0101nau, our wh\u0101nau with disabilities, and our wh\u0101nau who have immigrated and have so much expertise to offer Aotearoa. We would feed you proper school lunches, supporting kai sovereignty and alleviating the cost of living crisis. We will clothe you, not cut your benefits or subsidise prescriptions our kaum\u0101tua depend on. We will educate you on the history of Aotearoa and the partnership this country was founded on, under Te Tiriti. We would house you because housing is a right, not a business for profit at the expense of wh\u0101nau living on the streets. Everyone should have the right to a constant, warm, secure home. We would manaaki you, not incarcerate you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EThese are not radical ideas. So when you say \u201Crule breakers\u201D, we say \u201Cchange makers\u201D. They say \u201Cuncompromising\u201D; we say \u201Cprincipled\u201D. They say \u201Cdisorderly\u201D; we say \u201Cdisrupting injustice\u201D. You say \u201Cperformative\u201D; we say \u201Cunapologetic\u201D. They say, \u201Cactivist\u201D; we say \u201Cprotector of the people\u201D. They say \u201Ctoo M\u0101ori\u201D; we say, \u201CWe are good enough because our t\u012Bpuna made it so\u201D. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022 data-id=\u002259162febd147426a897c274d36e17092\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002259162febd147426a897c274d36e17092\u0022\u003EMIKE BUTTERICK (National\u2014Wairarapa):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. We\u2019re a pretty welcoming bunch in the Wairarapa. We welcome all and sundry to come and enjoy our region, but we don\u2019t want the idiots, the boy racers, because they are not welcome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003EIt\u2019d be an understatement to say that the people in the Wairarapa have had a gutsful. For far too long, the people that want to come into our region and cause mayhem have felt they\u2019re above the law. Well, guess what! It\u2019s all about to change and I welcome the proposed changes for tougher penalties to deter antisocial and intimidating driving wholeheartedly, as do all the people I\u2019ve spoken to since it was announced on Sunday. The landowners whose business is horses\u2014they told me about the thuggery, the intimidation, fireworks, exploding tyres, putting themselves at risk and their animals. They also expressed concern at the danger that not only locals but also the police find themselves in. They told me that the idiots involved think they\u2019re above the law and can do what they want. Well, we\u2019ll see about that. They told me that they heard about the announcement the other day and it\u2019s a really positive move. They did ask if they could push the button on the first car to get squashed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003EThe local council where that particular event took place is spending thousands to clean up the roads each year. In fact, one of the costs incurred for one intersection\u2014one intersection\u2014was $150,000. So not only do the ratepayers have to put up with the offenders, now they have to foot the bill to fix and change the roads. The council talked about threatening, intimidating behaviour, alcohol, mess, noise, mostly late at night, and the sheer frustration within the community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve talked to another resident that\u2019s had to put up with idiots in their urban neighbourhood repeatedly and the sheer intimidation it causes, let alone the stress, and they\u2019ve really been struggling. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003EI did a quick Google search on incidents in the Wairarapa. I ended up using half a tree to print out the articles. Here\u2019s one: \u201CBoy racers costing Carterton ratepayers thousands each month.\u201D Local mayor: \u201CThese idiot racers, these clowns, are going to get it wrong and someone is going to get killed.\u201D Johannes Ferreira: \u201CIt is a frustration when we have just resealed or remarked an area to turn up to go out every Monday and clean up tyres, tyre marks and damaged signs.\u201D The mayor, again: \u201CThere are a number of elderly residents [at one boy racing hotspot] and there\u2019s no way in Hades that an elderly couple are going to walk out there and photograph boy racers\u2019 number plates or ask them to stop. The intimidation factor is just too high and it\u2019s not worth the risk.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003EAnother one: \u201CViolent attack sparked after driver\u2019s car hit spectator\u201D. \u201CA boy racer who was attacked at a Wairarapa meet-up had \u2018spun out and hit the crowd\u2019 moments before the violence interrupted.\u201D \u201CI was just standing there and \u2026 all of a sudden this car comes out of nowhere, it had McDonald\u2019s trays on the back wheels and it spun out into the crowd.\u201D \u201CThe bystander said it was \u2018gutting\u2019 when a select few ruined the events for everybody else. The hosts and organisers that go to show off their skills, they just want it to be about skids\u2014a way to practice for competitions, some of the spectators get in the way and get drunk.\u201D, he said. \u201CI think we need a spot to go where all the interested people can go and practise safely.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003EWell, guess what! They\u2019ve already got somewhere to go. It\u2019s called the Masterton Motorplex. They\u2019ve got a place for them to go. It\u2019s safe for the drivers, safe for the spectators. Do they turn up? No. No, they don\u2019t turn up. They prefer to intimidate our locals and damage our roads. I\u2019ve got no sympathy for any of them. Go to the Motorplex if you want to burn a bit of rubber. If you don\u2019t want to do that, don\u2019t bother coming to our place; you\u2019re not welcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003EAnother one: \u201C\u00A0\u2018Horrific scenes\u2019 at Wairarapa boy racer event\u201D. \u201CWairarapa locals are outraged \u2026 Masterton District Council mayor Gary Caffell said the \u2018rather horrific scenes\u2019 were \u2018really disappointing\u2019 \u2026 the community was lucky to get away with nobody being seriously injured or killed as \u2018that could\u2019ve happened\u2019 \u2026 What needs to be done is that we need to get really tough.\u201D Another one: \u201CBoy racers in Wairarapa hurl fireworks, rocks, and bottles at police.\u201D Another one: \u201CBoy racers leaving an unwanted mark\u201D; \u201CWairarapa, a boy racer \u2018epicentre\u2019.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003EWe\u2019re acting now, because we aren\u2019t willing to accept unsafe, unacceptable behaviour on our roads, in our community. If you want to act like a hooligan and put people\u2019s lives at risk, that\u2019s where the real rubber hits the road. You can expect to face the consequences and get your car crushed. At the end of the day, you reap what you sow. You want to break the law? Don\u2019t bother crying us a river of tears. You won\u2019t get any sympathy. Bye-bye little car, it\u2019s getting squashed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225665380b-62fd-4d75-85e0-0ed801a402e0\u0022\u003EThe debate having concluded, the motion lapsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002276c8954794fb4616ab32b95868b44a5c\u0022\u003ESittings of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fce8c376ee234118b52b0607ae2da9e8\u0022\u003ESittings of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022eba15db9a6494d5ea7811146b22ff2ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eba15db9a6494d5ea7811146b22ff2ac\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the sitting of the House today be extended into tomorrow morning for the first reading of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill, the remaining stages of the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill, and the first readings of the Credit Contracts and Consumer Finance Amendment Bill and the Financial Markets Conduct Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002201f41fdb77194b37a4862b5dd43f1deb\u0022\u003EAppointments\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c755da843eee4ac7887612cddda3bed8\u0022\u003EController and Auditor-General\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022a7270684f4cc486caf559c544b81da8a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a7270684f4cc486caf559c544b81da8a\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That, under section\u00A07(2) and in accordance with clause\u00A01 of Schedule 3 of the Public Audit Act 2001, the House recommend to the Governor-General that Grant James Taylor be appointed as Controller and Auditor-General for a term not exceeding seven years, commencing on 3\u00A0July 2025.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EMr Taylor is a chartered accountant and licensed auditor with years of experience in both the Office of the Controller and Auditor-General and in the private sector as a managing partner for Ernst \u0026amp; Young. He will become our 21st Auditor-General in office, which was first appointed in 1846.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI also want to congratulate and thank John Ryan, the outgoing Auditor-General, for his great contributions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff72990a4b0e4823b2ed6cd9321dc51a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff72990a4b0e4823b2ed6cd9321dc51a\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of the Labour Party, I would like to endorse the appointment of Grant Taylor as Auditor-General. This is something that only happens once every seven years, so I think it behoves the House to know a little bit about this job and how we\u2019ve arrived here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ELike most members of Parliament, the first real understanding we have of the role is when we arrive and we go to select committee and we\u2019re about to review the Minister or the ministry and all of a sudden, this mysterious organisation arrives and gives us some questions, tells us what we should be answering, and what we should be asking, more importantly. As a result, we understand the importance of an independent organisation reviewing Government spending.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EThe process of appointing this role is an important one. I have to congratulate my fellow members of the Officers of Parliament Committee, made up of members of all parties here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ENow, you might think that would perhaps risk a political decision. I can absolutely reassure the House that this was a search for the right person for this job as a result of an absolute understanding of the importance of the role. Chaired by the Speaker, I can actually give that assurance that we have arrived at a decision that has put the right person in this role for the next seven years, Grant Taylor. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EThe role itself\u2014it\u2019s quite a role. There are over 3,600 entities which are actually examined either directly or through the books of the Auditor-General\u2019s office. Obviously, that work\u2019s not all carried out by the office, but they ensure that the work is done, and they contract the work. In fact, Mr Taylor in his role at Ernst \u0026amp; Young (EY) was responsible for overseeing many of those audits. As a result\u2014of course\u2014he has a good knowledge of not only the role of the Auditor-General, but in fact the organisations which he has been auditing, many on contract on behalf of EY. In fact, he did actually work for the Auditor-General\u2019s office early in his career.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EIn ensuring that we bring someone to this role, which is a key role in New Zealand overseeing Government spending, it is someone that has that innate understanding of how New Zealand works. Mr Taylor is certainly that man. One thing that did attract me from his CV is he\u2019s a Naenae College boy\u2014State house boy from the Hutt Valley. That, again, shows, I think, in appointing someone to this role that New Zealand still is a country where anybody can rise to the top if they\u2019re given the right opportunity, and certainly Mr Taylor was given that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EOn behalf of the Labour Party, I can stand and reassure the House and those who will be meeting Mr Taylor for the first time\u2014particularly at select committees when he will be advising on how to make sure that Ministers are given the right questions and on behalf of their ministries\u2014that I actually have total confidence that we have the right man for the job. Therefore, I am very pleased to commend this appointment of Mr Grant Taylor to the House as Auditor-General.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022 data-id=\u0022b6fc7cf7b110453da8c1ed01ec1cebd3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b6fc7cf7b110453da8c1ed01ec1cebd3\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise on behalf of the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand to speak on the appointment of the Controller and Auditor-General. Like the previous speaker mentioned, the Controller and Auditor-General has a vital role when it comes to safeguarding the financial integrity of Aotearoa\u2019s parliamentary system of Government, and the Controller and Auditor-General is someone who leads the team that supports a lot of the work that we do here in Parliament, particularly when it comes to select committees.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EIn terms of the appointment itself, the current Controller and Auditor-General is John Ryan, who began in 2018. Again, we would just like the opportunity to thank Mr Ryan for his many years of public service. Best wishes for his future. In terms of the appointee, Grant James Taylor, as the previous speaker has mentioned, Mr Taylor is already a chartered accountant and a licensed auditor and a former managing partner for Ernst \u0026amp; Young. Although from the private sector, he has worked and collaborated with the Office of the Controller and Auditor-General for many, many years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EAlso, in terms of the process, again, I would like to thank all of the members of the Officers of Parliament Committee for the robust process that we had when we were looking to find the right person for the role. Again, like the previous speaker, Greg O\u2019Connor, has mentioned as well, this is something that we do take incredibly seriously, and it\u2019s something that all members of the Officers of Parliament Committee take very seriously and collaboratively to try and find the right person for this particular role.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EWith that, we do thank everyone who has expressed an interest in the Controller and Auditor-General. We welcome the appointment of Grant James Taylor, and we commend this appointment to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223dcad6016a0542dfad56f2e0263623fb\u0022\u003EOffices of Parliament\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226035b1fac58c400db48bca7c1d024e8c\u0022\u003EAddress to Governor-General\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022116b33bf43314f0b84defbf763619558\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022116b33bf43314f0b84defbf763619558\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That a respectful Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor-General commending to Her Excellency the alterations to the appropriations for the 2024-25 financial year in respect of Vote Audit and Vote Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, and the estimates of expenses to be incurred for each appropriation in 2025-26 in Vote Audit, Vote Ombudsmen, and Vote Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00225c8278ad9eeb43eab4fe60c31d4fe4ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225c8278ad9eeb43eab4fe60c31d4fe4ef\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u00228cf2d4f5c47d46cd83a4d71c14155ca2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228cf2d4f5c47d46cd83a4d71c14155ca2\u0022\u003EGREG O\u2019CONNOR (Labour\u2014\u014Ch\u0101riu):\u003C/span\u003E Once again, on behalf of the Labour Party, I commend the appropriation. Again, I\u2019ll commend my fellow members of the Officers of Parliament Committee where each\u2014the Auditor-General, the Ombudsman, and the Commissioner for the Environment\u2014came and gave us a good understanding of their roles, and certainly a justification for the spending and any adjustments required. So, with that, I\u2019m very pleased to commend this motion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022 data-id=\u00224d5db71d1f6148968ec47e3dfaee832f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224d5db71d1f6148968ec47e3dfaee832f\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise on behalf of the Green Party of Aotearoa to also support the alterations to the 2023-24 appropriations for Vote Audit, Vote Ombudsmen and Vote Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment and the 2024-25 draft budgets for the Office of the Controller and Auditor-General, the Office of the Ombudsman, and the Office of the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003ENow, for context as well to the House, this particular collective and this particular group, we\u2019re doing it in this way and going through the Officers of Parliament Committee to maintain the independence of such Offices of Parliament, and the Public Finance Act 1989 provides the funding for such. In terms of the submission also made by the three offices, we examined the submissions in conjunction with the Treasury, and I just want to take a little bit of time to go through the context for each one, starting with the Office of the Controller and Auditor-General.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EI think the main thing to recognise in terms of the Office of the Controller and Auditor-General is that, to the best of their abilities, they try to operate in a fiscally neutral environment, but due to certain circumstances around the COVID-19 pandemic there has been the requirement of capital injection into this. I think, in this case, what we are looking at here is that we have received reassurance from the Office of the Controller and Auditor-General that they are on track to ensure that they go back into that fiscally neutral environment, with no additional capital injection required other than a transfer of funding from the 2023-24 appropriation into the 2024-25 Budget. That is one of the really interesting observations that I think, as a collective, as a committee, we have observed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EI think, in terms of the second office, when we\u2019re looking at the Office of the Ombudsman, a couple of observations are, number one, what we have seen as a result of extreme weather events such as Cyclone Gabrielle. We have seen that there has been a triggering of a surge of complaints as a result, and in order for the office to both ensure that complaints are dealt promptly but also at the same time ensure that there\u2019s a high level of retention of staff, which is one of the concerns that we did address with the Office of the Ombudsman, there is an additional budget being set aside in terms of the remuneration for staff when it comes to the Office of the Ombudsman.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s also noted that, although in terms of the particular type of performance payment that has been suggested, it is not necessarily something that was initially supported by the Treasury. But again, as a committee, we think that it is important for us, and particularly for the office, to be able to retain some of the staff. I think there\u2019s another element of the funding that deserves mentioning in terms of the Office of the Ombudsman, which is the fact that the office is also seeking additional funding\u2014which this committee has supported\u2014around the office system upgrades to ensure that the system that the Office of the Ombudsman is using is robust and secure. This is particularly when it comes to things around cybersecurity and business continuity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EFinally, when it comes to the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, we are looking at, again, the Commissioner having not sought any additional funding for the time being. It is part of the baseline funding. It\u2019s also important to note that the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment\u2019s baseline budget has not increased in the last six years, and it is something that they have signalled they might be seeking, an increase in funding in the next year round, in order for them to maintain the level of staff and also in terms of the rising costs and around the inflation. If that wasn\u2019t being met, there might be some reductions in terms of the research budget and moving around some of the other budget. But, in terms of this year, they have not sought for any additional budget other than transferring funding of $50,000 from the 2023-24 appropriation into the 2024-25 Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EWith that, we support the recommendations that have been made, and we commend this to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to, and Address agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022fdaa92cb72444ca9aa395d286be77bdd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fdaa92cb72444ca9aa395d286be77bdd\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I declare the House in committee for further consideration of the Appropriation (2023/24 Confirmation and Validation) Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ffcfa0619d45421cbf0e07bc23917657\u0022\u003EAnnual Review Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d05d74baeceb4466b42438b7732dacf8\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000422\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 13 May on the Appropriation (2023/24 Confirmation and Validation) Bill.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022d587154964c04f749fe9edc36a842991\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d587154964c04f749fe9edc36a842991\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee for further consideration of the Appropriation (2023/24 Confirmation and Validation) Bill. This is the debate on the financial position of the Government and the annual reviews of departments, Officers of Parliament, Crown entities, public organisations, and State enterprises, as reported on by select committees.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EThere are 13 minutes remaining in this debate. New Zealand National has 17 minutes, New Zealand Labour has 13 minutes, Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand has 14\u00A0minutes, ACT New Zealand has no time remaining, New Zealand First has 16 minutes, and Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori has three minutes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EThe Government has indicated that the Minister of Climate Change will be available today for the remainder of this debate to respond to members\u2019 questions. The debate will be led off by the chairperson or another member of the Environment Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222481c794e9e344c9a9cecb128ad79796\u0022\u003EClimate Change\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a00bf4f5-c63a-49a0-b0e1-d3b37311377b\u0022 data-id=\u002247f3b6eb890947f4b2e2cc903258590c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a00bf4f5-c63a-49a0-b0e1-d3b37311377b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247f3b6eb890947f4b2e2cc903258590c\u0022\u003ECATHERINE WEDD (Chairperson of the Environment Committee):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. As the Environment Committee chair, I\u2019ll just take you through some of the main points made in the Climate Change Commission\u2019s annual review. The commission\u2019s total revenue for the 2023-24 year was $18.56\u00A0million and total expenditure was $20.38\u00A0million, resulting in a deficit of $1.82\u00A0million. One of the commission\u2019s statutory deliverables is to review the 2050 emissions reduction targets every five years. The current 2050 target reflects Parliament\u2019s judgment of how much New Zealand should reduce its emissions to contribute to global efforts to limit warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius. To achieve this, there are targets such as Nationally Determined Contributions and emissions reduction targets. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a00bf4f5-c63a-49a0-b0e1-d3b37311377b\u0022\u003EThe commission emphasised that it is in New Zealand\u2019s interest to reduce emissions. We heard that this is particularly so for the energy sector, where new technologies are already available, so that New Zealand can move towards being more energy independent. The commission told us that 80\u00A0percent of the markets New Zealand exports to by value have either got or are planning to require that emissions levels are disclosed. The commission said that accessing affluent markets is really important for New Zealand, because although there may be demand for New Zealand products, other countries may not be able to afford to buy them at the cost incurred to produce them. So we heard that adaptation to climate change is also about creating products and services that the world will value in the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a00bf4f5-c63a-49a0-b0e1-d3b37311377b\u0022\u003EAccording to the Government projections, the national sheep flock is declining, and that was alluded to during the annual review process, and the commission said that it is likely that that will continue. But the forecast for dairy cows is different. The commission said that emerging technologies will enable dairying to continue, while reducing the amount of biogenic methane emissions. The commission\u2019s modelling suggests that a 35\u00A0percent reduction in biogenic methane emissions can be achieved, with no loss to dairy protein production. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a00bf4f5-c63a-49a0-b0e1-d3b37311377b\u0022\u003EThose were some of the main points that were touched on, as well as transport policy, heavy vehicles, industrial allocation, forestry offsets, and agricultural emissions pricing\u2014and I\u2019ll let the Minister of Climate Change talk to that. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022 data-id=\u00226cd28fa87ea945dfaed034f27153a510\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226cd28fa87ea945dfaed034f27153a510\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS (Minister of Climate Change):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I acknowledge the Environment Committee chair\u2014Catherine Wedd\u2014and the Environment Committee for their great work and contribution on what is a very important topic. I thought it would be helpful to offer some opening remarks before we get into some questions, just to remind those that are watching in terms of the work that is under way by this Government in regards to climate change. I want to make it very clear from the outset that as a Government we are committed to meeting out climate change goals while driving economic growth. We\u2019re determined to meet our targets in a way that unlocks innovation, creates jobs, and also ensures that our businesses remain competitive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI want to remind those of some of the key milestones which have been achieved so far, and also a bit of an outline of some of the work ahead. Last year, within the term of the review, I released this Government\u2019s climate change strategy. This document provides a clear pathway for New Zealand in order to reduce its emissions and also, importantly, as we heard from the select committee chair, to adapt to the impacts of climate change. It is absolutely the reality that New Zealand is already dealing with the impacts of climate change. This year, which is obviously not part of the scope of the review, but it is important that we\u2019re now moving into implementation, the strategy that we released focuses on clean energy, boosting innovation, and supercharging sustainable investment, while also ensuring our communities are well prepared for a changing climate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003ENew Zealand already has a very strong foundation to do this. We have abundant renewable energy potential, world-class innovators\u2014particularly those within the agri sector\u2014and one of the world\u2019s most mature emissions trading schemes. We also released our second emissions reduction plan: a blueprint for reducing emissions for the second half of this decade. That is important because we do need a clear, robust, and practical plan in order to meet our targets. A plan that\u2019s focused on actions in key sectors, including agriculture, transport, energy, waste, as well as the New Zealand emissions trading scheme and sustainable finance. Some of the key policies included within that are through enabling more renewable energy projects through Electrify New Zealand, recognising carbon capture utilisation and storage through the emissions trading scheme, targeting a network of 10,000 electrical vehicle charging points by 2030\u2014and you would have seen more updates in regards to that recently\u2014exploring partnerships between the private sector and Government in order to plant more trees on Crown land, and leveraging the Waste Minimisation Fund to enable resource recovery systems and infrastructure to process organic waste.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EOur plan that we have released ensures and shows that we can have affordable and secure clean energy, we can have an efficient and competitive agricultural sector, and we can also have a booming economy while meeting our climate targets. With these policies, we are on track to meet New Zealand\u2019s first and second emissions budget and could reach net zero as early as 2044. The Government is committed to our climate targets, and this includes the first Nationally Determined Contribution, NDC1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EDuring this term, the Government has delivered specific action, consistent with our commitment. Specifically, delivering the climate strategy, delivering reduced New Zealand units to the emissions trading scheme auction through auction settings in 2024, and delivering the second emissions reduction plan. In partnership with industry, this Government is increasing and has increased funding to accelerate the development of tools to reduce agricultural emissions. Consistent with the Government\u2019s market-led approach, New Zealand businesses are leading in undertaking material levels of decarbonisation; for example, Genesis has committed to materially reduce and potentially eliminate coal from Huntly and replace it with torrefied biomass by 2028. We have also seen other initiatives through the primary sector to incentivise emissions reduction by the sector, which is important for farmers to reduce emissions overall.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EWe acknowledge that over the time, the gap between our projected domestic emissions and the NDC1 has reduced. When the NDC1 commitment was increased in 2021, the gap between our domestic emissions and the NDC1 was in the region of 149\u00A0million tonnes of CO2. If you now use projections from last year, and including the impact of policies that this Government has put in place and update the data based on the latest data available, the projections\u2014[Time expired]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022fe342415-6351-4072-a17e-19dab2ef184d\u0022 data-id=\u00221b03adf52dab4667b308a06c2fa4b1b7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fe342415-6351-4072-a17e-19dab2ef184d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221b03adf52dab4667b308a06c2fa4b1b7\u0022\u003EFRANCISCO HERNANDEZ (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I rise to take a call on behalf of the Green Party, and I\u2019m really looking forward to interrogating the actions that this Government has done within the first review period. It was heartening to hear the Minister of Climate Change refer to the Government\u2019s commitment to climate change, but, quite sadly, the rhetoric doesn\u2019t match the reality of the situation. This Government has slashed and burned its way through the previous Government\u2019s climate programme, leading to some very deep and very serious cuts in the climate change response. I\u2019m going to concentrate my remarks in the area of transport and waste, and my colleague Scott will follow on and ask some questions around energy and agriculture within the review period.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fe342415-6351-4072-a17e-19dab2ef184d\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s interesting that the Government mentions how committed they are. I\u2019d like to start by asking questions about the independent advice that the Government received in April 2024 from the Climate Change Commission. Does the Minister agree with the Climate Change Commission that offshore mitigation should only be used in force majeure cases, that it should not be used domestically? Does the Minister agree with the commission that achieving emissions budgets will require \u201Cfurther electrification of light transport including [further] phase out of light internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle imports \u2026 low carbon fuel alternatives and reductions in vehicle kilometres travelled \u2026 [and] increasing rates of active and public transport in urban areas.\u201D? And if the Minister agrees, why has the Government pursued policies in total contravention of this?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fe342415-6351-4072-a17e-19dab2ef184d\u0022\u003EOne of the first things that the Government did when they came into office\u2014and I wasn\u2019t even a member of Parliament then\u2014in December last year was repeal the Clean Car Discount under urgency, and also weaken the Clean Car Standards a few months later. Now, the cumulative effect of that, according to some independent modelling by Concept Consulting, is that by 2050, the impact of repealing these policies could have added up to 9.8 megatonnes of carbon equivalent avoided. Now, just for context, the current emissions profile of New Zealand in net terms is about 56 megatonnes. So we could have reduced one sixth of our current emissions just by keeping the Clean Car Discount and not weakening the Clean Car Standard as this Government did when they first came in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fe342415-6351-4072-a17e-19dab2ef184d\u0022\u003EOne of the other things they did around the transport area which was regressive and deeply unhelpful was the general policy statement\u2014a draft was released in March 2024 and finalised in June 2024. Now, according to analysis by Greater Auckland, the Minister ignored widespread concerns that these actions would actually decrease the amount of mode shift going to active transport and public transport, and overly prioritise road transport. So my question is: as the Minister of Climate Change, was he concerned by the general policy statement that came out, and does he agree with the officials who raised objections around the potential for these to actually decelerate the mode shift that was already happening?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fe342415-6351-4072-a17e-19dab2ef184d\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll turn my attention to the waste area because I only have a minute and a half left. We\u2019ve seen the work that this Government has done. They\u2019ve weakened the waste levy by reducing the de-hypothecation of it and making the funds available for landfill remediation and not just waste minimisation\u2014worthy causes, but it should be funded by a separate pool. They\u2019ve cancelled waste diversion policies such as kerbside organic collection and recycling. My question around the waste area is: to what extent have the changes in the waste levy shown up in the modelling, and what detrimental impact has that had towards this Government achieving emissions budget targets?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fe342415-6351-4072-a17e-19dab2ef184d\u0022\u003EThis is technically outside the review period, but since the Minister referred to it, I\u2019ll also ask a question about it: to what extent did the changes in the second emissions reduction plan, including the improved projections of achieving the net target earlier, rely on methodological changes, and to what extent do those rely on assumptions about increased forestry? Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u0022f7dc3e9d99cf44acab4561839e62a702\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f7dc3e9d99cf44acab4561839e62a702\u0022\u003EHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Climate change is an inescapable reality. No matter how much some might like to escape it and might pretend it isn\u2019t happening, no matter how much some on the Government benches might prefer to pretend it isn\u2019t happening, no matter how much some businesses might prefer it\u2019s not happening, it is happening to us. It\u2019s a huge obligation that we need to admit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003EIt was gratifying to hear that the Government is committed to its climate change goals while getting economic growth, but it turns out that in the last year, New Zealand has dropped seven places to 41st in the global Climate Change Performance Index, which ranks countries based on their emissions, on their deployment of renewable electricity, on their overall energy use, and climate policy. Seven places down to number 41. In that context, how is it possible for the Minister of Climate Change to sit in the chair and say that they\u2019re committed to action on climate change? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003EWhat exactly are the climate goals that this Government is committed to? We heard a series of tactics from the Minister, a series of actions that they might take, but what actually is the climate goal of this Government? Will the Minister state that this Government is absolutely committed to meeting the Paris Agreement? Will the Government state that it is absolutely committed to meeting the emissions budgets set out by the independent Climate Change Commission? Will it commit to ensuring that we have a just and equitable transition through climate change? Will it commit to ensuring that New Zealanders are equitably enabled to adapt to climate change? Could the Minister please state his commitments to climate change?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022 data-id=\u00226e423b83a8fe418fb0819e6a6504d1f9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e423b83a8fe418fb0819e6a6504d1f9\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS (Minister of Climate Change):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m very happy to reinforce some of the points I noted in the opening statements, and I refer again to the Government\u2019s strategy on responding to a change in climate\u2014the Government\u2019s climate strategy\u2014and the headline there, as it states: \u201CThe Government will meet its targets to reduce the impact of climate change and prepare for its future effects.\u201D As I noted previously in my contribution, the Government is also committed in regards to the targets, including its nationally determined commitment targets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThis Government has taken a number of steps in the period in which it has been in Government to put in place mechanisms in order to achieve its emissions reductions target. The question before raised waste minimisation, and that is a whole chapter in the emissions reduction plan that has been released by Government that outlines the mechanism and the processes for us to reduce emissions in that space. It is an important sector with plenty of opportunities to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThere was also a question in regards to methodology changes and assumptions. I think everyone will understand and be aware that forecasting involves assumptions and underlying changes. The prior Government made assumptions in regards to a number of aspects of policy, including such things as T\u012Bwai Point and its utilisation of energy, or the role in which Huntly was going to play in the future. This Government has a different view on that, and those are examples of changes that have been reflected in the modelling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI come back to the point: the plan that this Government is pursuing and this plan that the Government is implementing does put us on track in order to achieve net zero earlier than 2050\u2014as early as 2044. Taking away the politics, we should celebrate the fact that this is a country that is on track, and we do need to undertake and make gross emissions reductions, in addition to using forestry as a removal tool. We\u2019re committed to both of those mechanisms; they\u2019re both critically important and it is also reflective, ensuring that we have a credible emissions trading scheme (ETS) to do the heavy lifting in regards to emissions reduction in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThis Government has spent a huge amount of effort in terms of ensuring we have a credible ETS and a credible policy position. Again, the actions speak louder than words in terms of the actions that this Government has undertaken on that pathway, and we do have a plan in order to meet our targets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022604682c4ac984418a9fb3264786f0839\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022604682c4ac984418a9fb3264786f0839\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Just before I take the next call, I\u2019ll just warn members that the debate will be completing at about 5.55\u00A0p.m. Just because members have times left in their party, that doesn\u2019t mean the debate will go past 5.55\u00A0p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u00221752b72ec20041e2bec3c27ee7605dc1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221752b72ec20041e2bec3c27ee7605dc1\u0022\u003EHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E In light of what the Minister of Climate Change has just said, can the Minister then unequivocally say that his Government is committed to meeting the Paris Agreement? Not the nationally determined contributions, not the tactics, not the strategy. Is the Government unequivocally committed to achieving the Paris Agreement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022d8aa342625924f21b5a4e3087baa3865\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d8aa342625924f21b5a4e3087baa3865\u0022\u003ESCOTT WILLIS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I have some questions about the short-, medium-, and long-term actions the Government has been taking on climate change over the period from November 2023 to June 2024. I am mindful that just about everything that the Government has been doing has been making things worse\u2014from cutting the Clean Car Discount and opening up oil and gas and chanting the mantra of \u201Cgrowth\u201D as if, once we\u2019ve trashed this planet, we can all hitch a ride with Elon Musk to Mars and start over.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003ELast week, at the Antarctica Parliamentary Group meeting, we heard from Antarctica New Zealand about the global impacts of ice loss from Antarctica, in particular when the Thwaites Glacier gives way\u2014and it is known as the Doomsday Glacier\u2014it will raise the sea level by 0.8 metres, and it\u2019ll trigger more ice loss from Antarctica\u2014up to 4 metres of sea-level rise. This is something that is not really survivable for most societies, and it\u2019s easy to despair, but we have it within our power to change this, because every fraction of a degree matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EI want to know, from the Minister of Climate Change, where the Government is going to make up the 2\u00A0million tons of carbon, emitted out to 2050, that the Clean Car Discount was going to abate from, noting that the Clean Car Discount programme was fiscally neutral in the last six months of 2023. As we heard about the 10,000 fast chargers, I\u2019d like to know how many had been funded and installed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EI also want to know what the emissions impact had been from the decision to cut funding from active transport\u2014walking and cycling paths\u2014in half at last year\u2019s Budget. What\u2019s the climate cost of entrenching fossil-fuel transport?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EWhen flooding overwhelmed Civil Defence in \u014Ctepoti Dunedin in 2006, I rode across paddocks to rescue sheep that were drowning. Those flood events have happened on a regular basis ever since. We\u2019ve had repeat after repeat after repeat. Homeowners have lost insurance. We risk climate ghettos. The South Dunedin Future programme has created a model for collaborative community leadership on adaptation, and it\u2019s got exceptional buy-in from the community. But the Government\u2014in a kick in the guts for the South\u2014rejected an application from the Dunedin City Council and the Otago Regional Council for $132.5\u00A0million to support a buy-out of flood-prone properties to help that community\u2014the most densely inhabited, the most at risk from climate change, the most impoverished community in Aotearoa\u2014to help that with that adaptation effort, with the\u00A0millions that have been invested so far. That was rejected. What other support has the Government provided for the South Dunedin Future programme over that period, if any? And, with the gutting of the Climate Emergency Response Fund in May 2024, what alternative complementary funding was the Minister able to provide for climate change - related initiatives outside of the main Budget allowances, if any?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EI\u2019m also interested in the more general actions the Government may have taken over this period. What immediate actions has the Government engaged in that are more visible and simple to evaluate, such as brokering partnerships with housing in flood-hazard zones to foster innovation and adaptive housing, like developing climate-safe housing? I can refer the Minister to this report from the National Science Challenge called Our City, Our Climate, a report dealing with how the community feels about adapting to those climate impacts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EI\u2019m also interested in what the Minister might have to say on the other complementary programmes, such as the Warmer Kiwi Homes\u2019 investment in home upgrades. Has the Minister paid attention to reports such as Aukaha\u2019s Houses into Homes evaluation report on the home energy retrofit project, which has a recommendation in there that we need to resource solutions for whare beyond scope? Their recommendation is that, because there are houses that are being invested in by Government in flood-prone areas, that money is being wasted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022 data-id=\u0022ce4d3d822a564488b5297d7d201f6f1b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ce4d3d822a564488b5297d7d201f6f1b\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Labour\u2014Wigram):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chairman. I just have some quick questions for the Minister of Climate Change. I do remind the Minister that he hasn\u2019t answered my colleague the Hon Dr Deborah Russell\u2019s question about whether or not this Government is committed to the Paris Agreement, and whether that is a commitment that they will be adhering to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EMy questions are around industrial process heat that was covered off in the work of the climate commission, and also in various Environment Committee questions that have been put there. One of the things that we know in terms of reaching our emissions budget is that it is heavily dependent on the fact that New Zealand Steel is performing better than first anticipated in terms of the emissions reduction that that conversion is incurring. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003EWhat I want to know from the Minister is: what work is under way to further accelerate industrial conversions away from fossil fuels, and how the Minister is tracking that; what initiatives are being put in place, and what mechanisms to track conversions that are happening? We know the Government\u2019s withdrawing support by scrapping the Government Decarbonising Industry Fund scheme, but what have they replaced it with in terms of monitoring there? And whether or not the Minister is doing any work around industrial allocations, which in many ways has the perverse incentive of paying people to pollute and subsidising people to continue to emit, while at the same time objecting to partnering with businesses when they are reducing our emissions and reducing the burden on New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u00226854b510799f4d31a9b458dd87fefd57\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226854b510799f4d31a9b458dd87fefd57\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. A few questions from me about coal. One is: does the Minister of Climate Change realise that coal is a fossil fuel and not good for the climate? If so, why has this Government enabled coal mining through its Fast-track Approvals Act, which includes the Bathurst Resources Limited project and BT Mining Limited? Does he agree with the then Climate Change Commission chair, who presented in front of the Environment Committee, that those who promote fossil fuels are committing, \u201Ca crime against humanity\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EIf he doesn\u2019t have anything to say on coal today or to answer the other questions that have been put to him today, will he revoke the decision from his party\u2019s members and other Government members on the Environment Committee to halve his time in his appearance at the Environment Committee?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022ac9e19d004b648f48ab952cece2f5e7b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ac9e19d004b648f48ab952cece2f5e7b\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS (Minister of Climate Change):\u003C/span\u003E Sorry, members, I\u2019m just conscious of time so I do want to be able to provide answers to the questions that have been raised. To directly answer the point noted by the Hon Megan Woods in the context of this Government\u2019s commitments: I mean, I would remind the member that, actually, the commitments under the Paris Agreement include the nationally determined contribution, NDC, of which I\u2019ve now said on three occasions that as a Government we are committed to meeting, and that was again reinforced as part of the Biennial Transparency Report submission that the Government has recently made, and other obligations in regards to that. As a Government, we are continuing to fulfil our obligations in regard to that commitment and we are committed to our targets and committing to undertaking the work in regard to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EI want to answer the point also raised by the member in regard to South Dunedin. I think that is a very important aspect, and whether it\u2019s South Dunedin or Tair\u0101whiti or Auckland or Westport, many parts of our country are impacted by climate change, and it is important, as the member knows, that we move and have a position in regard to a framework to deal with the impacts of climate change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EWe did a cross-party consensus through an inquiry, and I acknowledge the members in the House who have actively participated on that. That is an important piece of work which this Government strongly supports, and we are working quickly to introduce legislation by the end of this year to support an enduring national adaptation framework which deals with the questions of: how do you share the costs, who pays, making sure that our citizens have the information and data to make informed decisions around where they buy and where they build and also dealing with citizens that don\u2019t have any choice in terms of where they are and the impacts that they are dealing with and how they can transition to a different state. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022713ccc5b-7ff0-4fa5-ab58-4780620184fe\u0022\u003EThey are very important questions for our communities, and they are important for, I think, the majority, if not all, in this House to come up with the answers. We are committed to working together with other members of the House to get resolution to that matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u00223a5fa48e50674dcd8f218a84ff765346\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223a5fa48e50674dcd8f218a84ff765346\u0022\u003EHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E In the context of living in a global community, we know that many of our trading agreements contain commitments to continuing to meet our climate and environmental goals. But given that our position in the world adaptation Climate Change Performance Index has dropped, has the Minister of Climate Change assessed whether any of our trade agreements are likely to be at risk because we are not meeting our climate goals? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022ec415e2639134657bc84968d5b4c80cc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ec415e2639134657bc84968d5b4c80cc\u0022\u003ESCOTT WILLIS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019d just like to return to the question of the different departments, the different ministries, that are working on programmes that might be impacted by climate. In relation to the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Authority, which funds the Warmer Kiwi Homes programme, we know that this programme really does help people in energy hardship, and it has great effect. But what we\u2019ve also discovered is that many homes are actually beyond repair or are in areas which will be impacted in the future. So what work has the Government been doing on checking whether programmes are suitable and are futureproofed? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EWe have a recommendation here from the Otago home energy report that says that a proportion of whare are in such poor condition that energy-efficient upgrades to the existing structure are largely ineffective and may actually extend hardship at high cost. Some whare are exposed to flooding or sea-level rise and have a limited lifespan. In these cases, investment is needed and solutions need to be developed in collaboration with wh\u0101nau and community in examples of new builds, climate-safe housing, etc. Has the Minister of Climate Change been working across Government and with the community sector to look at this? Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022794cf96757da4b4291d1c217137cdd9b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022794cf96757da4b4291d1c217137cdd9b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time for this debate has expired. The question is, That the report of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the annual financial statements of the Government for the 2023/24 financial year be noted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EReport noted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u002206bf242592ec48228e68289993d32ec5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002206bf242592ec48228e68289993d32ec5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question now is, That the reports of committees on annual reviews be noted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EReports of committees on annual reviews noted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u00229252314ec211425388f2d4ed6062d4aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229252314ec211425388f2d4ed6062d4aa\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question now is, That clauses\u00A01 to 9 and Schedules 1 to 3 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EClauses\u00A01 to 9 and Schedules 1 to 3 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EBill to be reported without amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022caca2dfdac2d4e2888116dd9f842472f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022caca2dfdac2d4e2888116dd9f842472f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker, the committee has considered the Appropriation (2023/24 Confirmation and Validation) Bill and reports it without amendment. I move, That the report be adopted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022d0fa7a5331e1402c8938cbd26371c8c9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d0fa7a5331e1402c8938cbd26371c8c9\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: This bill is set down for third reading immediately. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b7f09ca168b440c79b70332c9c6421b9\u0022\u003EAppropriation (2023/24 Confirmation and Validation) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fd9c63a3a25141b0b9961a750f5a09c8\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00221324ea18708b441e93f0b95998161f26\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221324ea18708b441e93f0b95998161f26\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Finance: I move, That the Appropriation (2023/24 Confirmation and Validation) Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022d8fd977b86c1491d9293e855b745beac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d8fd977b86c1491d9293e855b745beac\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002210af9241c4b84c27984e68ddf9761f72\u0022\u003EEducation and Training Amendment Bill (No\u00A02)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221943f09bbb784e5baf1c2c63a9fa7139\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000494\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 10 April.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022 data-id=\u0022aeb74b6c733a4ae49376d8e32b6bcdb8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aeb74b6c733a4ae49376d8e32b6bcdb8\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you for the opportunity to take a short call on the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No\u00A02). I want to start my contribution by just making a few high-level comments and observations. My view is that this bill is Government overreach because it will enable ministerial micro-management and the undermining of the teaching profession.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EThe bill is unnecessary and several of the amendments are already in practice. The bill removes some of the key parts of the Act that aim to promote and protect the rights of children and young people, such as those in Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the National Education and Learning Priorities (NELPs), and school strategic plans will no longer be required to be holistic approaches to educating children and young people from complex and diverse backgrounds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EThe bill deprioritises Te Tiriti o Waitangi and removes local curriculum\u2014removing local curriculum is a concern. Schools won\u2019t see the immediate impact, but there is nothing good in this bill: the Teaching Council should be independent\u2014National introduced the professional body\u2014and it should not be politicised through ministerial overreach; attendance management plans are already there; and the National Education and Learning Priorities were collectively developed by schools and removing them will narrow the curriculum. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EThose are some of my initial observations and thoughts about this bill. I want to spend some time, though, on noting for the House the fact that due to the rushed time frames for this bill, the regulatory impact statement (RIS) notes that they have not been able to undertake consultation on many of the proposals that are contained in this bill. Is anybody in the House surprised to hear that they have rushed the time frames and have not been able to consult with those that will be impacted by this legislation? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b18a23a1a3aa49c8a68269aeef87c2ed\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, there is a RIS this time, lucky us!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aeacd1da47df4db3a95d89f9c7aa66ed\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: I feel like, yeah, we should probably be happy there\u2019s a RIS that at least states that and is honest about that because that\u2019s not what we experienced last week when pay equity was rushed through in urgency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c685b165ee60417a946df8b5d8fa0546\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Stick to the bill, please. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226039ed96dd64ddc8a2e733877025dee\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s all relevant because, of course, the pay equity claims impact the teachers who this bill is about, doesn\u2019t it? The House is well aware of that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ESo we have here the regulatory impact statement for refocusing on the Government\u2019s priorities, and it notes here, in the regulatory impact statement, that, really, the Act doesn\u2019t allow for the small set of critical priorities of the Government to dictate what happens throughout the Education and Training Act. So they want to align the school\u2019s statutory objectives with the Government\u2019s priorities and reduce the number of mechanisms the Government uses to set these priorities. In here it notes that resourcing and timing constraints did not allow time to engage fulsomely on these proposals and the options did not consider non-statutory mechanisms for refocusing schools on the Government\u2019s priorities. Really, it\u2019s just giving effect to something that was in the coalition agreement. That\u2019s what this is about. It hasn\u2019t come from feedback that they have had from the sector on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ENow we have the regulatory impact statement for \u201CImproving accountability and transparency for standard setting and approval functions for initial teacher education\u201D. This is supposed to be independent, but what we have here is the possibility for, and it\u2019s noted here that there\u2019s potential sector opposition because evidence shows \u201Cchange is most successful when parties buy-in to the \u2026 process\u201D, but they were not consulted, and consideration should be given how to \u201Creassure\u201D\u2014but when it is being implemented, so after the fact. The \u201Cincreased accountability will increase government and ministerial influence\u201D. That should be a concern for everybody.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EWe do not support this bill, but I do look forward to the submission process and hearing what people have to say. But they should have been consulted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022 data-id=\u00229313c0673c354eb2b84e58e823800c83\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229313c0673c354eb2b84e58e823800c83\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise on behalf of the Green Party of Aotearoa to oppose this particular bill, and I\u2019ll give the reasons why we are opposing this bill. First of all, we\u2019re looking at changes to section 127 of the Education and Training Act, which is the crux of this bill. Now, one of the things that we hear this Government talk about all the time is the dire situation that we are facing in terms of literacy and numeracy in Aotearoa. Yes, there are definitely issues that need addressing. However, none of the issues are addressed in isolation. You cannot split it out and look at just student achievement only using one particular criteria to look at the student achievement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EWhat we are seeing is an engineered crisis by this Government when it comes to education, and addressing and skirting around the edges and trying to do anything other than addressing the real issue around the systemic barriers that we have seen in our education system. That was being addressed by section 127 of the Education and Training Act. The reason we have those four priorities is because we realised the issues that are facing our students and our country and our future collectively and holistically. By removing or deprioritising three of them, and by removing the Statement of National Education and Learning Priorities (NELP), it signals to the country that this is a Government that doesn\u2019t actually understand education. It is a Government that has never stood in front of a classroom and understood the needs of our \u0101konga in general, or just period. This is what we are seeing manifesting through this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003ENow, if you\u2019re looking at it more closely, during the consultation period, we had a document that says that, overwhelmingly, people did not support the changes to section\u00A0127 of the Education and Training Act. We saw 11 organisations\u2014that includes the New Zealand Educational Institute, the Post Primary Teachers\u2019 Association, the New Zealand Principals\u2019 Federation, I believe the Teaching Council, and also Te Akatea; some of the most independent and most senior, revered, and well-experienced organisations in Aotearoa\u2014coming out against any changes to section 127.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EBut what would that change manifest? This is something we would love to hear during the select committee stage. A couple of things: number one, the Minister of Education fundamentally does not understand what statutory interpretation means, and how do you interpret legislation? When you have paramount objectives and we have primary objectives, you need to fulfil the requirement of all of those. But when you push Te Tiriti o Waitangi down as a supporting objective of that paramount objective, it means that the school has the ability to determine and say that, \u201CComplying with and upholding Te Tiriti is not something that we see as achieving that paramount objective. Therefore, we do not need to adhere to that.\u201D That is what a supporting objective does, and that is what\u2019s being proposed in this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EWe\u2019re seeing the same thing here when it comes to putting down the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act (NZBORA) and also the Human Rights Act as a supporting objective, which is incredibly ironic because it challenges and contradicts the other section of this particular bill, around universities\u2014\u201CYes, we believe in freedom of expression, just not when it comes to schoolkids.\u201D That is what the changes to section 127 are signalling, because what we are seeing here is, under the current legislation, schools cannot, under NZBORA or the Human Rights Act, ask students to not wear certain items of clothing, and particularly taonga. But when we are seeing something like this being introduced, what does that signal to the community and to students on ensuring that they have a sense of belonging in our education system? It doesn\u2019t, and that is a concern.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EThe Government is putting\u00A0millions of dollars into truancy without actually addressing the fundamental levers of why our education system has not provided this kind of support to our students and to our future generations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EWhen it comes to the removal of NELP, which I have mentioned before, the removal of NELP also meant that we are fundamentally going to remove some of the action plans for certain communities that are much needed, including the action plan for Pacific students and Pacific education. Because of that, we will not support this bill, and will look forward to the select committee stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022 data-id=\u0022a678d89396804f43a5282d73f4c54083\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a678d89396804f43a5282d73f4c54083\u0022\u003EDr PARMJEET PARMAR (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I\u2019m taking this call on behalf of ACT to support the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No\u00A02). I\u2019m supporting this bill on behalf of ACT because this bill contains many initiatives that the ACT Party campaigned on for some time. It\u2019s really great to see that this bill has come before the House. I know that this bill is going to be referred to the Education and Workforce Committee. As a member of that select committee, I look forward to working on this bill in the select committee process as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EWe know that education plays a very important role in shaping young peoples\u2019 future. What we want to see is that, yes, while students achieve in their academic subjects, we also want to see that they are able to navigate the complexities of the world that we live in. That\u2019s why one of the topics that I want to talk about in this bill is about freedom of expression at universities, because this is something that the Hon David Seymour has been campaigning for, for a very, very long time. So it\u2019s really good to see that what this bill does is this bill imposes a duty on the council of a university to protect and promote academic freedom and freedom of expression. And also it requires that the university council, in their report, include how they have complied with this requirement and also the number and nature of complaints.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EThis is a very positive step, because what we have seen in so many cases at so many universities is that universities somehow have taken that kind of protective approach towards staff and students and they have been censoring some speakers from coming and speaking at university campuses. This kind of woke censorship needs to be reversed. That is what this bill will do and that is why the ACT Party is really proud to see that this policy is part of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258eae615-ef83-4df5-bace-6749bdd312a8\u0022\u003EWe know that young people should be able to challenge views that they hear and they should be also prepared to be challenged for their own views. They can be prepared for these things only when they go out and hear what is happening out there and they get the exposure to different kinds of views which sometimes other people think are controversial kinds of views. So we are really looking forward to working on this bill. Of course, along with this, there are some changes to the school boards\u2019 goals that this bill will make which are, again, positive steps, so the ACT Party supports this bill. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022 data-id=\u0022c1e002db7e544be7aefa87fbf435e82f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c1e002db7e544be7aefa87fbf435e82f\u0022\u003EANDY FOSTER (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E This a very good and very much needed bill. It is focusing education on education. We heard across the House there that it\u2019s an engineered crisis. No, it\u2019s not. The system is failing\u2014it\u2019s not delivering numeracy, it\u2019s not delivering literacy, it\u2019s not delivering attendance\u2014and this is all about fixing that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003EIt makes educational achievement the paramount objective, which is a great thing. It requires school boards to pay a lot of attention to getting kids actually at school. They can\u2019t learn if they\u2019re not there\u2014so monitoring that. It desires to lift teacher training standards, which we know is needed, and it imposes a duty on university councils to make sure that they protect and prioritise academic freedom and the freedom of expression, which is very, very important to this side of the House. I think it\u2019s a great bill, and I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022 data-id=\u0022411e14c170554158884bd3c9add9722e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022411e14c170554158884bd3c9add9722e\u0022\u003ESUZE REDMAYNE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E I have great pleasure in commending this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bfc2455ebbd44d49ddfd099785ae3fc\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker. I think it\u2019s me, isn\u2019t it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u002272f15ce3d69548b38c078d242690034e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272f15ce3d69548b38c078d242690034e\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m a bit confused about what\u2019s happening here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022123b0ae3bd7648118afd5a8866f0ef59\u0022\u003ET\u0101kuta Ferris\u003C/span\u003E: He aha? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224dcd0be5d8544a899d1a5f26d5c9de38\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: There is confusion because the M\u0101ori Party wasn\u2019t available to take their call when that call stood up, but I understand that the speaker is withdrawing from that call. So if you are seeking the call, Mr Ferris\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229ad02854567497690522ef706b2daf3\u0022\u003ET\u0101kuta Ferris\u003C/span\u003E: Yep\u2014kia ora. T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te P\u012Bka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d70590568104faaa7207630faac1c87\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I call T\u0101kuta Ferris. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022 data-id=\u0022b04c7c1c94ad40f8ac5e01d7c9c8904f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b04c7c1c94ad40f8ac5e01d7c9c8904f\u0022\u003ET\u0100KUTA FERRIS (Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. Ka t\u016B au ki te whakapuaki whakaaro m\u014D t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire e mea nei ko te Education and Training Amendment Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003E[Hello. Greetings, everyone. I stand to express some opinions about this particular bill called the Education and Training Amendment Bill.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EI just want to be really clear with the House, with the Minister of Education, and with the Associate Minister of Education that when it comes to M\u0101ori education, we do not need any help; we do not need any help from the Minister or any other part because, for decades now, te iwi M\u0101ori has championed their own independent education models, and for more than 50 years they have done outstanding work and now consistently produce outcomes that outperform the rest of the system. So, despite the many amendments and adjustments over time, the M\u0101ori-delivered, M\u0101ori - thought-up; M\u0101ori-directed; by M\u0101ori, for M\u0101ori, to M\u0101ori education has consistently done better than the central delivery of education for M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EIt sort of begs the question: why are we continually fighting the battle to prove that M\u0101ori understand education for M\u0101ori better than the Government, better than the centre? This is not a thing that\u2019s being debated; the experience over the last 50 years clearly demonstrates that the way forward for successful education for M\u0101ori children and adults is through M\u0101oridevised, delivered, monitored, -re-imagined delivery of education. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EThe bill that\u2019s before us is an unfortunate continuation of a particular type of thinking when it comes to education, inasmuch as the ultimate aim for it is to reorder the bill\u2014particularly the Treaty clause\u2014to give predominance to the idea that culture, identity, language, these types of things aren\u2019t really necessary in educational delivery, when the experience of te iwi M\u0101ori is the exact opposite. Also the fact that there is no evidence around that would support the idea that language, culture, and, indeed, the ways of the people are not important in the delivery or in the experience of education by them\u2014be they tamariki, or all the way through to adults\u2014when it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EIn the Ministry of Education\u2019s own publication, entitled He whakaaro | Educational Insights, it clearly states that the connection between language, identity, and culture has a positive impact on NCEA results for \u0101konga M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ENow, this is not a new discovery; it\u2019s not a new idea. The people who have championed M\u0101ori education for the last 50 years and produced amazing results have known that for a very long time. So why we\u2019re back reconsidering what the legislation looks like\u2014not to just forget about the other actions that have taken place by the Government\u2014we really have to consider: well, where to from here for te iwi M\u0101ori? And this move by the Minister to, effectively, demote Te Tiriti o Waitangi in the legislation is quite simply just a continuation of the attack on all things M\u0101ori that the Government has been undertaking for 18 months. Those things include the demotion of te reo M\u0101ori to a second-class language in our own whenua, the defunding of Te Ahu o te Reo M\u0101ori\u2014one of the most successful professional educational development programmes in education in Aotearoa\u2014the removal of funding for M\u0101ori resource teachers, all the way down to here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EHere we are now, considering how to water down or deprioritise the place of Te Tiriti o Waitangi in the legislation. Indeed, with the removal of the Statement of National Education and Learning Priorities, which basically requires that the education system include instilling in each child and young person an appreciation of the importance of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and te reo M\u0101ori, what else are we to think? What else are we to think and where does it leave us? Well, it leaves us with a Government who are trying to frame their changes as clarifying the role of Te Tiriti, when all it is doing is eroding the mana of Te Tiriti and continuing the identity erasure of the education policies of the 1800s and 1900s. We do not commend the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022 data-id=\u00226bb0ca0c02f44f54bbd7e7d0c834ef7a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226bb0ca0c02f44f54bbd7e7d0c834ef7a\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E One of the things that this bill supports is this Government\u2019s focus on attendance targets\u2014something that I know members of the House will be particularly interested in! I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022 data-id=\u002234289359241b42fdb9354e21fc8b5b66\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002234289359241b42fdb9354e21fc8b5b66\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. A Government that is focused on the things that matter in this country isn\u2019t a Government that is focused on the things that are in this bill. Tell me a university or a tertiary institution in this country that says that this is a priority. Tell me where a university or tertiary institution in this country has said that they want the Government meddling in their business, overreaching and making a decision about who can speak at their university? There is none. I have travelled around institutions across the motu, and universities don\u2019t agree with this legislation. They don\u2019t agree with this Government; they don\u2019t agree with the ACT Party. And where is the Minister for Universities speaking on this bill? It\u2019s because he doesn\u2019t agree with it either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EThis is an unnecessary Government overreach into our tertiary institutions and universities. Universities are independent institutions that can absolutely manage themselves. They need the ability to make decisions on health and safety\u2014this is what they tell me when I go and visit. When they host speakers, it\u2019s not a decision about freedom of speech; it\u2019s whether they can actually host an event safely for their students, staff, and the public\u2014do they have the right venues in place, and what are the risks that they have to manage? And what we\u2019re finding is that some far-left or far-right speakers that are hosted in institutions create a number of protests\u2014hundreds of people, in many instances, that will turn out. As a result, universities sometimes have to make the difficult decision not to host events. One of those reasons is because it\u2019s an expensive exercise. This Government expects universities to foot the costs to host speakers and events because the Government is meddling and they\u2019re overreaching in their business. That is unacceptable for a Government and an ACT Party that believes in organisations making their own decisions and making their own choices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229faf2b0c1b8a4a75b614852218100750\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: Some irony there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227bbd45ff10d143e683516ddf28247bba\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT\u003C/span\u003E: It is ironic\u2014isn\u2019t it ironic?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EBut this is this Government. This is, when, within the last 24 hours, the Minister for Vocational Education has launched legislation to replace Te P\u016Bkenga too and hasn\u2019t actually addressed the critical issues that confront the tertiary sector. It doesn\u2019t address the funding issues that the sector faces. It doesn\u2019t identify whereabouts institutions fit in that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003ESo I come back to my starting point: this is a Government that isn\u2019t focused on the issues that matter, that isn\u2019t focused on what New Zealanders are asking for from them. Particularly, it isn\u2019t a Government that is focused on what tertiary institutions, universities, and w\u0101nanga are asking of them. Most of all, they need help to address the funding inadequacies that we experience in the sector. That\u2019s what they want the Government to put on the table, not an overreaching piece of legislation that isn\u2019t necessary at the moment. They want to know how they can support learners within their institutions, and how they can address their pay inequity issues\u2014particularly for women, if we\u2019re speaking about librarians; support staff that this Government has shafted by taking away their right to put a pay equity claim forward. They\u2019ve removed that opportunity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EBut I come back to this piece of legislation\u2014universities don\u2019t want to be micro-managed. They\u2019re actually big enough, academic enough, intelligent enough, and independent enough in their own right to be led by their councils, to be led by their vice-chancellors, and to be trusted that they have the best interests of their learners, their staff, the public, and Aotearoa alike\u2014to be taken care of within their jurisdiction. The point here is that it\u2019s a duplication of provision. This request that\u2019s put forward can already happen. It\u2019s an overreach and it\u2019s just unnecessary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022 data-id=\u00226caec3d5aae04ef8b27e331b0040cadb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226caec3d5aae04ef8b27e331b0040cadb\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E While the public of New Zealand wait in vain for this Government to focus on the things that they really care about, like fixing the public health system, like getting more houses built, and by creating jobs at a time of high unemployment, what is the House\u2019s attention being directed at tonight? Stoking an imported culture war to satisfy some kind of negotiation that ACT have carried out in the coalition agreement to change the rules and impose an unnecessary burden on our tertiary institutions and our universities, who\u2014at first glance, looking at this bill\u2014are going to have to undertake a heavy bureaucratic reporting regime on freedom of speech.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d13c12112d64a249b1b853865bc5763\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: That sounds like something you\u2019d like.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec7cb0875ece4c3089bcb1227fbe0ba1\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s not the kind of thing I like to see, Mr Bates, because I believe in academic freedom. And there have been a number of cases in recent years where our universities have found themselves in the middle of some pretty intense debates about who should and shouldn\u2019t be allowed to speak on university campuses. If you care about academic freedom, then you would realise that it\u2019s something that needs to be carefully looked after and nurtured. It\u2019s not a simple one-dimensional thing where anyone with any view and with anything to say should be given the space, particularly in a public institution, to express those views.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s no shortage of people out there peddling disinformation and of people preaching hate. My concern is that if the effect of this legislation would be to tie the hands of our tertiary institutions, forcing them to provide their public facilities to people who are preaching hate against, for instance, the trans community, to people who are Islamophobic, and to people who are Holocaust deniers, then I think that would be damaging for our democracy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EUniversities need to be given the academic freedom to make those decisions. I\u2019m a believer in free speech. I want to see a wide variety of views discussed and debated in our institutions. But, if the effect of this legislation is to tie the hands of universities and prevent them from exercising their judgment to protect freedom of speech in our tertiary institutions, then I think that would be a very backward step.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cbc37df2-57ae-4536-94ed-a2e39eecd585\u0022\u003EAs my colleagues have noted, this is a bill that is full of examples of ministerial overreach and micro-management. It\u2019s clearly pushing a political agenda, and I look forward to unpicking that and subjecting it, at select committee, to the kind of scrutiny that it deserves. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022 data-id=\u0022b506b5ed139e49919c639a50c1473321\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b506b5ed139e49919c639a50c1473321\u0022\u003EDr VANESSA WEENINK (National\u2014Banks Peninsula):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to rise in support of the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No\u00A02). This is a sensible bill that makes 11 proposals, mostly aimed at increasing attendance, to improve the outcomes for the children of our country. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d308c600a569490ab12a244f14670006\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No\u00A02) be now read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000549\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022499bb50c1c094815a672805f981e605a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022499bb50c1c094815a672805f981e605a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is, That the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No\u00A02) be considered by the Education and Workforce Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EBill referred to the Education and Workforce Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221df1679971134a9d938b2a38725acc2a\u0022\u003EInstruction to the Education and Workforce Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022a7094cb47cb24119a67fa75e52ff99b0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a7094cb47cb24119a67fa75e52ff99b0\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2) be reported to the House by 16 September 2025.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00220402cc4c5d6640b4a2de6f33e4688ed3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No\u00A02) be reported to the House by 16 September 2025.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00229b7a2f60228442238bca8cf98334da0c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229b7a2f60228442238bca8cf98334da0c\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I declare the House in committee for further consideration of the Social Security Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a53a8e3017f548a082c526cefcf99e69\u0022\u003ESocial Security Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022db844f0573004c74b45b4945f50b4e5d\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000558\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 6 May.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229fe43a80e59f4e579da26f43c1c1b7f6\u0022\u003EPart 1  Amendments to Social Security Act 2018 (continued)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022f4d73e8fa0ae4286ba66b80f96756093\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f4d73e8fa0ae4286ba66b80f96756093\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee on the Social Security Amendment Bill. Members, when we were last considering this bill, we were on the debate on Part\u00A01. Part\u00A01 is the debate on clauses\u00A03 to 58\u2014\u201CAmendments to Social Security Act 2018\u201D\u2014and Schedules 1 and 2. The question is, again, that Part\u00A01 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u00224ba79bc763214f8891dea47deb1007ba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ba79bc763214f8891dea47deb1007ba\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. So, yeah, we resume on Part\u00A01, and I want to acknowledge that this is a complex bill with quite a few insertions into the Social Security Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI wanted to pick up on new section 236A, which is being added to the Social Security Act under this bill, under clause\u00A015, particularly around the sanctions for first failure, report job search failure \u201Cwithout good and sufficient reason to meet requirements\u201D. I wanted to ask whether the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) had developed guidelines already to ensure people know how, and to what kind of jobs, to apply. Where has MSD gotten so far with developing these guidelines? So, for example, if you have, let\u2019s say, somebody who never pursued a degree and then is applying for a lot of jobs where, clearly, the person\u2019s qualifications are not matched with the jobs\u2014like, would the person then be deemed to have met the requirements under the job search non-financial sanction?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EIf so, I\u2019m just keen to get the Minister for Social Development and Employment\u2019s update on how she thinks this could be actually operationalised in a way that meets the intent or the desired intent from the Minister. In some ways, part of the reason why I think section 236A and the broader components of the report job search can end up becoming unworkable is that people can end up applying for jobs that clearly do not match the skills or even, for example, could be applying for jobs that are really, really far away but then they can\u2019t access things like the Transition To Work Grant to allow them to then relocate, etc.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThe other question I wanted to ask in this call was in relation to new section 236H, inserted by clause\u00A015B, in relation to upskilling. I noticed that there doesn\u2019t seem to be a definition of \u201Cupskilling\u201D, and so I wanted to ask whether she thinks that\u2019s a bit of a gap. I say this because the way that this sanction is laid out\u2014and I note, by the way, that this is one of the sanctions that didn\u2019t end up getting any public scrutiny via submissions because it was introduced later down the line, so the public did not get to submit on it. But I wanted to understand, as well: how will MSD end up defining \u201Cupskilling\u201D? If people are just required to attend specific workshops, for example, and comply with and participate in those for a prescribed minimum of hours, how then will MSD ensure that those actually are upskilling people\u2014right? It\u2019s different to just require people to attend seminars for the sake of attending seminars, but whether they\u2019re actually meeting the intent of upskilling. Has MSD developed guidelines to ensure that the prescribed workshops actually meet the intent of upskilling people?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI once again wanted to check why there is no\u2014in relationship to upskilling, but I guess this could apply to other sanctions, but specifically on here, why is there a prescribed minimum amount of hours laid out in the legislation but no maximum amount of hours? Is the Minister concerned that this could be utilised in the wrong way by a Minister or future Governments to then lay out a really unrealistic amount of maximum hours? I note that the status quo in so far as what we\u2019ve seen in the public is that the intent is to have a minimum five hours in one week for four weeks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI want to take this opportunity as well to speak to some amendments under my name that touch on clause\u00A015, and those are Amendment Papers 279 and 285. I haven\u2019t talked about those two amendments. The first one, 279, would delete new section 236A to remove \u201Cmoney management\u201D; and 285 would delete the new sections\u00A0236B, 236C, and 236D to remove \u201Ccommunity work experience\u201D. We believe that these two financial sections in particular are the most harmful. I wonder if the Minister would be open to removing the most harmful parts of the legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EOtherwise, I\u2019m quite keen for the Minister to address the other questions I laid out. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00225b3ab310bf40407cb8c781e2789b0b1f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225b3ab310bf40407cb8c781e2789b0b1f\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E There was a lengthy discussion last time the committee sat around the job search, so I\u2019m not going to repeat things that have been covered. In terms of the upskilling, the guidance will be developed in the next couple of months\u2014the go-live is not until October. In terms of the hours limit, we do still expect that people will be looking for a job. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022691daab6be2341b386211921750b5f6c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022691daab6be2341b386211921750b5f6c\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Just further to that k\u014Drero, I think one of the major worries we have is the impact on wh\u0101nau. That being the case, we\u2019re putting up amendments to help the Minister for Social Development and Employment in that regard, and so we have just provided a couple of amendments there. But we have to remember that in that March 2025 quarter, job seekers have increased\u2014209,839 people, in terms of receiving a jobseeker benefit. This is an increase of 22,000 people or 11.6\u00A0percent compared to the same time last year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThat being the case, we had a look at replacement section 236, inserted by clause\u00A015. After replacement section 236, after paragraph (p), we\u2019re wanting to insert that an assessment is completed within 10 working days on the impact of cancelling the main benefit on a person\u2019s family, because from what we see, there\u2019s no obligation on the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) in terms of follow up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo, again, the concern is, well, what about the kids? The whole punitive approach puts aside the obligations to the wider wh\u0101nau, to the kids. So I would like the Minister to consider that that be inserted, that an assessment is done within 10 working days on the impact of cancelling\u2014what that will have in terms of the impact on the wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI also want to add another clause\u00A0there that MSD considers the welfare of the client to ensure that the client has the support they need to pay for food and rent. I ask the Minister to answer what consideration is given to that wider wh\u0101nau and the impact that cutting the main benefit has on the kids and wider wh\u0101nau. The children and partners surely shouldn\u2019t have to go without if the parent is sanctioned and I think that we have to put some thought into that strategy. What happens to the client after being sanctioned? This has been a constant question through this process. Can she explain where they are meant to go?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAlso, in relation to my inclusion of subparagraph (d), ensuring there is not enough funds for food and rent, could the Minister clarify how that will be delivered? We could consider the utility for food banks and budget advisers to support the client and wh\u0101nau. So I\u2019m just asking, in this amendment, as I said, the earlier one, an assessment done within 10 working days on the impact that cancelling the main benefit will have on the family, and then that MSD must consider the welfare of the client and to ensure that the client has the support they need to pay for food and rent\u2014would the Minister consider that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0f3fcfb6dc94198b356bf2571667a5d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0f3fcfb6dc94198b356bf2571667a5d\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m not going to cover ground again that we\u2019ve already covered in terms of non-financial sanctions as they are and restrictions on sanctions on households with children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022 data-id=\u0022a57f4b8c2356402a8f085df7fa090b7c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a57f4b8c2356402a8f085df7fa090b7c\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN (National\u2014Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00228efad83afb154af482e3929a1cdca751\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228efad83afb154af482e3929a1cdca751\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not going to take that question, but I think we are getting close. Some of those issues have been well canvassed. We\u2019re looking for new material.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u00226b9692cef1864aaaa5d76124cac5ebbc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b9692cef1864aaaa5d76124cac5ebbc\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to point out to the Minister for Social Development and Employment that we have four distinct non-financial sanctions. Those have distinct effects on people. They deserve to be evaluated on their merits, and each of them insert different sections to the Social Security Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI really take issue with the Minister describing her bill as \u201Csimple\u201D when the person who was subbing in for her earlier, when we were last debating, couldn\u2019t even adequately define a relationship as the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) defines it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EAnyway, so moving on to clause\u00A017, which we haven\u2019t touched on. That\u2019s the insertion of section\u00A0239 into the Social Security Act, \u201CReduction or suspension of reduced benefit\u201D. I specifically want to touch on the continuation of sanctions following the regrant of specified benefit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EWhat I want to seek clarification on\u2014and I also ask this because of the additional section\u00A0239(1)(a)(iiia) and then (iiib), report job search and upskilling, which, as I said, didn\u2019t get adequate scrutiny at the Social Services and Community Committee because those were added later, even though a Cabinet paper actually noted that the Minister intended to insert them and then didn\u2019t publicly announce them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI wanted to ask the Minister whether in this new section she foresees that, if the benefit is cut and then regranted and people were subjected to a non-financial sanction, will the minimum time that they\u2019re required to comply with then reset, or whether\u2014for example, in the report job search, if they had complied for those three weeks, then their benefit was cut then regranted\u2014they would only then have to do their report job search sanction for one more week? Because even though the language in this bill says that, for example, in the new section 239(2)(a) and (b), there\u2019s no clarification of that minimum amount of time. So I wanted to get clarity from the Minister as to how she sees that new section 239 working in practice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI say this because I think that clarity is kindness. So far, what we do know is that people on the benefit, many of them who are struggling to survive on a daily basis, do not have the time to be going through the Social Security Act to understand, for example, the implications that if their benefit is cut then regranted whether they\u2019ll need to re-comply with that amount of time. So I\u2019m keen to understand this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI also wanted to understand, then, what this could mean in practice in relation to the new section stated in clause\u00A017 of this bill, for something like community work experience. I ask this because, for example, if you have someone on the benefit who was, say, two weeks into their community work experience non-financial sanction, had their benefit cut then regranted, then is deemed to then have to continue complying with the community work experience, does the Minister believe that it would be easy for that person to then participate once again with that same organisation and whether that would be feasible? If that organisation says, for example, \u201CYep, this beneficiary was working with us for two weeks. Their benefit got cut so they didn\u2019t have to attend. We actually don\u2019t have capacity to take them any more.\u201D, what would happen then? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThis clause\u00A017 just adds a blunt reintroduction of the sanction without adding any new ones to the reality that in practice it\u2019s a lot easier said than done, particularly for the community work experience sanction that involves a third party here\u2014an organisation. Equally, with upskilling, you could argue that that one also has a third party in the case of a, sort of, community organisation as well that MSD may be OK with the beneficiary working with. That\u2019s a question that I think is really important to get clarified.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI also want to ask whether MSD had developed, for example, any communications in plain language around how this would work in practice. What are the portals that people would then be able to access to understand with clarity what this new clause\u00A017 adds and the provisions that it touched on?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI\u2019m yet to take a call on clause\u00A018, by the way\u2014so this is around section 242\u2014but if the Chair allows me, I may just, for the benefit of time, continue with clause\u00A018, unless the Minister\u2019s keen to answer my previous questions. So this one is on adding section\u00A0242, \u201CFailures that cannot be counted\u201D. I wanted to ask, particularly with clause\u00A018(1) and then (2), whether MSD had worked since the report of the select committee on any projections on people having their benefits cancelled as a result of the changes to the failure count moved from 12 months to 24 months. If so, has she got any projection around, for example, how this specific clause\u2014I want to get clarity around how she thinks this could help meet her goal of reducing the number of people on the jobseeker benefit by 50,000. Specifically, I\u2019m curious to know: how far does she think clause\u00A018 takes her towards that goal and does MSD have any information that could help elucidate us on this?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003ESince I\u2019ve got 4\u00BD minutes remaining, I\u2019m going to move to clause\u00A019. So that is around the new section 243AAA. This is the exclusion of sanction for first or second failure, if not failure to accept offer of suitable employment, and timely recompliance occurs. I wanted to ask about this new section that\u2019s being added, particularly the new subclause\u00A0(a) that reads: \u201Cthe failure is not a failure to comply with the work-test obligation to accept any offer of suitable employment\u201D. I wanted to ask why not just allow people to re-comply, basically, because I\u2019m worried that this will end up being a bit of a blunt tool. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI also wanted to ask how MSD will define suitable employment under this new section. For example, is MSD thinking of suitable employment under this new section being work that meets caregiving arrangements, proximity to home, if somebody is on the jobseeker medical\u2014like whether, for example, the disability that someone has with their health conditions will be factored around the definition of suitable employment. I think this is particularly salient with the new job search sanction that is being added, because then people under those sanctions will be required to apply for a number of jobs. Do all those jobs have to be considered suitable employment? Because what if somebody under job search applies for a job that is actually not suitable and then they don\u2019t take it? Will they be subjected to the provisions that are added under this new section 243AAA?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThen I\u2019ll move us to\u2014actually, I\u2019ll just let the Minister answer that one before I move to clause\u00A019 and further.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u002264a657f50f0841be9571524134c05cff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002264a657f50f0841be9571524134c05cff\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E As I said, I\u2019m not going to repeat myself. The intention of this bill is all aimed at supporting more people into work, which is aligned with our target: making sure that job seekers know what their requirements are and that they fulfil them. If they have a non-financial sanction, of course they will need to complete that sanction, and these are non-financial. It\u2019s fairly straightforward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022074afcf8169d40b2895ab14b73620eda\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022074afcf8169d40b2895ab14b73620eda\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. With respect to the Minister for Social Development and Employment, I don\u2019t feel that she\u2019s adequately answered some of the questions that we\u2019ve had around some of the kaupapa M\u0101ori strategies that we\u2019ve talked about over the last few days. Given the disproportionate amount of the M\u0101ori population, sadly, who are on benefits and are high in these statistics, I would ask the Minister to consider some of this k\u014Drero with regards to working with M\u0101ori; by M\u0101ori, for M\u0101ori solutions; by M\u0101ori, for M\u0101ori strategies. I want the Minister to explain how M\u0101ori and other culturally appropriate interventions are being accommodated when sanctioning clients.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe all know, particularly with M\u0101ori, that when you create an environment conducive to the needs of M\u0101ori, their wh\u0101nau and community will see better outcomes. I\u2019m looking at clause\u00A015, replacement section 236C, just for the Minister\u2019s benefit. Also in relation to replacement section 236D, what other culturally appropriate interventions are being considered to support our Pasifika communities who are sanctioned, and can she explain how this is going to be prioritised so we can ensure they\u2019re not left on the streets with nothing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo I just want some response here from the Minister with regards to this kaupapa M\u0101ori area. I have a couple of amendments there to clause\u00A015, replacement section 236C: \u201CIn clause\u00A015, section 236C(2), after subparagraph (c), insert\u2014(d) MSD must provide culturally appropriate interventions (e) When the client is M\u0101ori, that a marae based option is provided\u201D or a pan-tribal strategy is put in place. So I think if the Minister could come back to us with regards to that, it would be very helpful, because I don\u2019t think we have traversed the M\u0101ori area adequately enough, given the high statistics in terms of M\u0101ori, sadly, in this area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWhile I\u2019m up, too, I would like to go to my next part, which would be Part\u00A01, clause\u00A036, \u201CNew section 280A inserted (Cancellation of young parent payment and incentive payments for continuing failure to comply)\u201D. So my amendment is clause\u00A036, new section\u00A0280A, to delete clause\u00A036, because it\u2019s far too punitive\u2014far too punitive\u2014in terms of young families. I want the Minister to consider that. This amendment is about ensuring that a young parent is not punitively sanctioned.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIt is important that young people\u2014particularly our young mums\u2014are not left in vulnerable situations. Sometimes, through no fault of their own, they\u2019re put on their own to work things out and it\u2019s so hard looking after their tamariki, their wh\u0101nau, let alone filling out forms. So I think a better way forward would be just to cancel out clause\u00A036, new section 280A, and delete clause\u00A036 altogether. We know with the young mums, if they\u2019re not supported financially, it leaves them in a vulnerable situation in terms of exploitation from partners. They could be in a domestic violence position situation\u2014not a good position for any young mum to be in. So why does the Government have to be so punitive in this situation? Why can\u2019t there be a more embracing, aroha-type strategy that is employed by this Government. It\u2019s a complex situation here, I understand that, but the section as it is currently written is too simplistic and too blunt of an instrument to adequately address this issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo I would ask the Minister to consider this in terms of going forward. I think that my amendments will be very helpful: clause\u00A036, new section 280A, deleting clause\u00A036. And going back to the other amendment that I had in clause\u00A015, replacement section 236(4)(c): \u201Cthat an assessment is done within 10 working days on the impact of cancelling the main benefit\u201D\u2014what will that have on the wh\u0101nau and is the punitive approach being adopted by the Government really the right approach at this time? I would ask the Minister to consider that and the amendments in front of her. Thank you, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022dc74e82b7f6e4ebfaf2dee69695f5479\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dc74e82b7f6e4ebfaf2dee69695f5479\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I take another call, can we talk to Part\u00A01 as a whole. This is not a clause\u00A0by clause\u00A0debate. Some of the contributions have become very repetitive. So we\u2019ve got the messaging, but we need questions for the Minister about the detail in the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022b43c912f23454295b2be468d56720fd2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b43c912f23454295b2be468d56720fd2\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. That is exactly what we\u2019re trying to do\u2014at least here in the Greens. I just want to make it clear to the Minister for Social Development and Employment because I have heard from the Minister that she has answered questions already, but she actually hasn\u2019t really touched on the substance of the sanctions she\u2019s introducing, including some that didn\u2019t get adequate select committee scrutiny. While I note that is not a clause\u00A0by clause\u00A0debate, I\u2019m saying the clauses\u00A0to aid the Minister in knowing what to respond to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI want to talk about the new section 252A around \u201CMSD must give notice of non-financial sanction\u201D. The Government is hoping to introduce a whole area that sets out how notice of non-financial sections have to communicated. One of the things I don\u2019t know that is present here is the means in which that notice must be given. So, for example, right now, the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) can use different ways of communicating with people\u2014literally from correspondence to MyMSD portal, to text, phone calls, etc.\u2014but I\u2019m concerned that, if there isn\u2019t a responsibility for MSD to use specific, or at least try to use specific, avenues to contact people, what I foresee will happen, as it has with the financial sanctions\u2014and I say this from my own experience in the front line\u2014is that we have people who, for example, don\u2019t have access to a phone and have lost access to MyMSD, people who have been chronically homeless, who MSD may have thought that they had communicated that somebody was going to have a non-financial sanction applied, but that person is literally homeless and hasn\u2019t received adequate support to then be on the receiving end of that communication.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThe way that the proposed section to the Social Security Act is laid out doesn\u2019t specify what the steps are that MSD needs to take in terms of the means that that is communicated. I don\u2019t believe that\u2019s been something the Minister has answered. I know she talked about the intent of the bill and supporting people to employment, but MSD then also has, in other commentaries, said there\u2019s no correlation with sanctions and employment. So I\u2019m also keen to understand whether MSD\u2019s recent comments that they have said to the public actually aligned with what she just said. But, yeah, I\u2019ve got a question there specifically to new section 252A being added.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI also wanted to ask about clause\u00A028 that amends new section 261 around how a person may re-comply after failing to comply. Again, the reason why I wanted to ask this is that there seems to be a very specific note of the drug-testing obligations here. I wanted to know whether the insertion of it is specifically with the intent of ramping up the use of drug testing within the welfare system. Right now, we have this obligation in place. It\u2019s rarely used. People are rarely sanctioned with it. It\u2019s kind of like a leftover of previous Governments that had intended to use it, and it just became a bit of a scaremongering thing. But, in practice\u2014at least in the front lines\u2014I rarely have seen people who have been subjected to it, and it just seems like it\u2019s stuck in legislation without getting used. Does the Minister intend to ramp up the use of sanctions in relation to drug-testing obligation; if not, what does she think is the use of adding it under the provisions of clause\u00A028? Is it because of, I guess, the requirements on some jobs to go through drug testing, for example? I\u2019m keen to get some clarity on this. This is because in clause\u00A028(2), we do have a specific mention of the \u201Creport job search\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI want to remind the Chair that these were added without proper scrutiny from the Social Services and Community Committee due to the lateness in which the Minister brought them to the committee. So this is the first time we actually have the ability to scrutinise the Minister on those two additional sanctions she decided to introduce late into the process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022 data-id=\u002281b8e5c0721f400ca76f5d5691a2b281\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281b8e5c0721f400ca76f5d5691a2b281\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I picked up an Amendment Paper\u00A0that I hadn\u2019t been aware of before. It\u2019s an Amendment Paper\u00A0on the Table which includes a change to clause\u00A050 and it seems to be about circumstances where someone dies while money management\u2019s imposed. I think this is a new Amendment Paper. I\u2019d like to know whether it is. It looks like it\u2019s a situation where a person dies and then it goes through a number of amendments that talk about what will happen in those circumstances. I would like the Minister for Social Development and Employment to just explain why this Amendment Paper\u00A0has come up. It looks like, to me, that there has been a consequence thought through and that there are amendments to change things to remedy that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not suggesting that there\u2019s anything particularly wrong with this amendment\u2014I simply don\u2019t know. But if I could just have it explained to me what the point of these amendments are, why they\u2019ve come up, and have they just come up. Is this what\u2019s happened, that they\u2019ve just been put on the Table? I don\u2019t remember these being on the Table last time. So can I please have an explanation of those amendments?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022173b0d16f98b4ad6b10072d39aeae394\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022173b0d16f98b4ad6b10072d39aeae394\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time\u2019s come for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break. The committee will resume after the dinner break at 7:30.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 5.58\u00A0p.m. to 7.30\u00A0p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022649b892fe1214d9693dfecf47b99b627\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022649b892fe1214d9693dfecf47b99b627\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Good evening, members. When we suspended for the dinner break, we were on the Social Security Amendment Bill. We were debating Part\u00A01. I want to be very clear that we are hearing some quite repetitive things at this point in time, and I am looking for a bit of record of what\u2019s been asked and I\u2019m looking for completely new questions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd7a1e3521d44b96932287e9ab73e8f2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd7a1e3521d44b96932287e9ab73e8f2\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I did ask some fresh questions just before I went, about an amendment that had been put and that I wanted to know about, but I\u2019d like to add a question that\u2019s absolutely fresh. There\u2019s an amendment on the Table that is about the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) considering the welfare of the clients, and I wanted to know from the Minister for Social Development and Employment whether she would consider an amendment which at least considered the welfare of the child involved. This is about having an assessment, 10 days in, on the impact of cancelling someone\u2019s main benefit, and my understanding is we\u2019re also cancelling the accommodation allowance in those situations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a pretty serious situation, but we also have an issue that often it\u2019s children in this family that are going to suffer the most. So would she consider an amendment that simply took this amendment and looked at having a 10 - working-day review where there are children involved, and then MSD is having to consider the welfare of the child. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aef6832b8b3a4de5b85aad50a6f1ec52\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, can I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222267082359e4c45bc72c263fd7a1541\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202aa5e89678e4c22a09e5ebc5e84c952\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just make a comment. I\u2019ve been checking my tracking sheet, and that question did come up on Thursday when I was in the committee of the whole House, and it has subsequently been asked. So we are\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a54f73f5c074cb599e3368238870364\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: The welfare of a child? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022339f8743e1eb4fcf85a04d6ab9a6101b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes\u2014yes, it was definitely asked. It has been asked a couple of times, actually, but it definitely did come up on Thursday. So I think we are starting to traverse things, and, you know, when there\u2019s a weekend in between, sometimes we get different people in the Chamber, so\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d99d2eb3c0c49bb8070a79119ea5558\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: I certainly haven\u2019t asked that, and I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d7e2c5f796c49b49b6ccc92a70aab96\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: No, I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219c5e60012564ffbae7480b12756ab79\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I appreciate it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7143dc018954b63b27c7b9973b60d3f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I appreciate you haven\u2019t, but it has been asked. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4774a0982644235a500699d9971bd31\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, thank you for the advice. The questions I asked before dinner were about an entirely different amendment, which was all about the death of someone and the impact on the benefit. Have we had those questions before? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280fbea2234ef46488791fac19ba4544d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to check, but if you\u2019ve asked it before dinner, it\u2019s on the sheet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252400ba76f62411b9c34ccbe2b653e47\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, it\u2019s on it; it just hasn\u2019t had an answer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7d42a5bb1f7438283b23dbac9168071\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: OK, thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5269102810143e89fb191a460c49d9f\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022bf2e03c21b4b464aa361e5afa69485f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bf2e03c21b4b464aa361e5afa69485f7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to call Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March just while I\u2019m checking on this, but I am serious about new questions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022cb44d4bb317043cbbe508e27c4baf7cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cb44d4bb317043cbbe508e27c4baf7cb\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Yeah. And I\u2019d just like to alert the Chair as well: I am trying to note the clauses\u00A0that I am referring to. I know that this is not a clause-by-clause\u00A0debate, but hopefully by moving through the clauses\u00A0and having individual questions I can demonstrate to the Chair that we are approaching this with good faith.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI wanted to move us to the provisions around automated decision-making, so these are clauses\u00A052 and 53, and I particularly wanted to ask the Minister for Social Development and Employment around my amendment to delete those clauses. We haven\u2019t really devoted much, if any, time to automated decision-making, but definitely not to my amendment to remove those clauses. Advocates on the ground have highlighted concerns around the expansion of the use of automated decision-making, and particularly when they come to the relation of application of sanctions and the expiry of benefits. We\u2019re really concerned that the application of sanctions should not be administered by computers without human interaction, and that even opening the scope to allow for that to be possible is really, really dangerous, particularly when we know that the Ministry for Social Development\u2019s accuracy rate when it comes to the application of, for example, benefit entitlements is not adequately applied in almost half of the cases. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI\u2019m interested to know whether the Minister would support my amendments to then do some more work around the actual scope, and define the scope of automated decision-making in a much more narrower sense, to ensure that we don\u2019t have these provisions that then enable any future Minister to broaden the scope. And I\u2019m also seeking guarantees from the Minister, because I don\u2019t believe that she has given many public guarantees at all around where she thinks, in her term as Minister, she will broaden or limit the scope of these provisions in clauses\u00A052 and 53 in relation to automated decision-making. Can she make any commitments right now around the areas she\u2019s not willing to go into when it comes to broadening the scope of automated decision-making? And if she can\u2019t make those commitments, I would recommend that she supports my amendment to then do some further work, so that the public has clarity about the intention she has in relation to expanding the scope. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EIn relation to that, I\u2019m also interested [Interruption]\u2014Madam Chair, Madam Chair\u2014I think I have, like, two minutes\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e576c2babd94b49999e2d4ac35bdea1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022144330d032ce437784cf3a8952bd51e1\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. I\u2019m also interested to know, in relationship to the expansion of automated decision-making in clauses\u00A052 and 53, how she intends to communicate that specific expansion to clients. I\u2019m also interested to know whether MSD is preparing\u2014for example, having provisions that let clients know when a decision has been taken by a human, or when, for example, something has been taken by the way of automated decision-making. How will a recipient of a benefit know when something is triggered as a result of the provisions in clauses\u00A052 and 53, as opposed to a case manager? I think, without having benefit recipients having certainty about whether a decision was made by a person or automated decision-making, I think then it creates even more confusion around, for example, if a beneficiary is to do a \u201Creview of decision\u201D\u2014so, for the committee, \u201Creview of decision\u201D is a paper you can fill out to challenge a decision made by Work and Income that can lead to a Benefit Review Committee; the Benefit Review Committee can decide on an outcome and that can even be further challenged by the Social Security Appeal Authority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI guess my question is, if automated decision-making is expanded, and somebody wants to challenge that, what\u2019s the level of accountability, then, in terms of when we have a Benefit Review Committee hearing, when someone is challenging a decision being made by automated decision-making? How does the Minister expect that to work? When we know, for example, as well, that the wait times for Benefit Review Committee hearings, when people are challenging decisions\u2014and this bill is introducing more decisions by MSD by nature of introducing more sanctions\u2014there\u2019s a huge delay to get a hearing. There\u2019s reports from advocates that the balance of those hearings is very skewed towards MSD, and there are also long wait times and lack of resources to then go to the Social Security Appeal Authority. The provisions in clauses\u00A052 and 53 concern me because I do think they will make the Benefit Review Committee hearings far more complex, confusing for benefit recipients, and there will be less clarity around who made the decisions. So any assurances on the scope, how that will be communicated when a decision has been made by automated decision-making, and how people can challenge decisions that are made through automated decision-making, would be greatly appreciated, as this has been an area of concern for many people at the front lines.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd03ef0c0e904c5faf6a98a6f701d59f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd03ef0c0e904c5faf6a98a6f701d59f\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E The answer has been given multiple times before. The whole concept of non-financial sanctions are only given by a Ministry of Social Development staff member who can take into account the individual circumstances of a person who has breached their obligations. It is why we are introducing non-financial sanctions, and a person, a human, who is at the front line, providing service to beneficiaries will be making that decision.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022ec07c92abcc24ae7b83d418c8f2053e3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ec07c92abcc24ae7b83d418c8f2053e3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Helen White, did you have a question about death? I said to you before, I thought it had been traversed and I can\u2019t find it. Just really quickly, what was your question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022 data-id=\u00221db27d1f28b74554a64eb283e84f1cdf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221db27d1f28b74554a64eb283e84f1cdf\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you. There was an Amendment Paper\u00A0on the Table that seemed to be all around where a spouse had died\u2014I suspect\u2014and it went through and it talked about the different treatment of a person in those situations. I was asking for a plain English explanation of what the amendments were.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022d75ecb5fb2904076a7b96870fa157f6c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d75ecb5fb2904076a7b96870fa157f6c\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s in the Amendment Paper, so if you just read it in plain English. You didn\u2019t actually have a question before. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f8bae0ed246843a09d1018882e05d6dd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f8bae0ed246843a09d1018882e05d6dd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Apparently the explanation\u2014the Minister\u2019s just answered: the explanation\u2019s in the Amendment Paper so I think the explanation\u2019s already there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd6c120f4e6c4c59bfe926ebc4333250\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd6c120f4e6c4c59bfe926ebc4333250\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order. Helen White was on her feet making a speech, and the Minister, quite outside of the Standing Orders, simply stood up and interrupted her. In your comment now, you seem to endorse that behaviour. Now, I accept that you can interrupt a member who you think is wandering off topic, but for the Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e959533b48734f03a54f24ce148858d9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e959533b48734f03a54f24ce148858d9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, thank you, Dr Duncan Webb. That is a relevant point, that members\u2014including Ministers\u2014should wait to be called. But I do deem now that the Minister has answered\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u002281864dcb9525474fa4a9dc7b8b34c3f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281864dcb9525474fa4a9dc7b8b34c3f8\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Speaking to the point of order. I\u2019m seeking some guidance in relation to that interruption, more importantly around the content of the interruption, because throughout this debate, we have been told by the Minister time and time again that questions have been answered. I would challenge that. And I\u2019m asking how are you, as the presiding officer, taking guidance to ensure that the Minister is not factually incorrect when it comes to her assertions that specific questions have been answered?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca81af9d5e3347c59b27bf66181f79cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca81af9d5e3347c59b27bf66181f79cd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Look, it\u2019s not my role to judge what the answer to the Minister\u2019s question is. The Minister has been taking calls, and it is not the job of the presiding officer to enforce that the Minister answers your question in a way that you will be satisfied, either. So what the Minister\u2019s answers are, are the Minister\u2019s answer and that\u2019s as far as our job goes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022 data-id=\u00222be1dfc8c2824e98920d08c7cb4c2f8c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222be1dfc8c2824e98920d08c7cb4c2f8c\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00221d6237906ac34ca9939d950afaf407ec\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00229e1c9445c9c44714865a672b51dc285f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229e1c9445c9c44714865a672b51dc285f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 of the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper\u00A0263 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0279 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00228411197c3ec4477680fc0ed3e1925f0b\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022bbe05fa308ed49aa98db561acdd11ae7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bbe05fa308ed49aa98db561acdd11ae7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 of the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper\u00A0263 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0285 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d9766f922edd42818ae0041ed3bdb1d7\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022ffb645da114e49419e6121cda0638e70\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ffb645da114e49419e6121cda0638e70\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper\u00A0263 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0284 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224ffcc45b9c064be69359b3592f3a0211\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022354a71a873564a7db4f4a3258a7ed374\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022354a71a873564a7db4f4a3258a7ed374\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0263 be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002246caa9ce88ff485a9563834087911077\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002215ca1b666de84176963ea8413e9e0eed\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002215ca1b666de84176963ea8413e9e0eed\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to insert new clause\u00A03A is out of order as being outside the scope of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A05 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022b31e2d5e7ca84c13970abe01ae3839b6\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227aa2007ef5de441f83980a0b2251dc43\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227aa2007ef5de441f83980a0b2251dc43\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0265 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022ed9163611e7146288fb8e7303e1dc44f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022314250d0f41d4fe38202f72d8f0e07b1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022314250d0f41d4fe38202f72d8f0e07b1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A010, new section 183A(1)(c) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224bbc22ba8318404a8a72639d3180e677\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00228516645098bc4d7997c15a7a62932e37\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228516645098bc4d7997c15a7a62932e37\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0266 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002252c4576df8584b2fb9d1918019ace623\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022420c285ae86f40a09cd2753eade7a2ea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022420c285ae86f40a09cd2753eade7a2ea\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to clause\u00A010 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0281 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229f91b9c6045c42baaee8568cb6885818\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002225b9c8c3820d4298bedbfe4245f1eb96\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002225b9c8c3820d4298bedbfe4245f1eb96\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0283 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002293fed4c9cc5542619a743bd9e81c14ff\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00223d1c5e3e2d9644e3a7d1f3a3d35ecbba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223d1c5e3e2d9644e3a7d1f3a3d35ecbba\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A012, new section 233A be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002203bce4f0e575439cbc15e513f9b80508\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f505362fe8ea445994187ead3b01c621\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f505362fe8ea445994187ead3b01c621\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A015, new section 236(4) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f86d0c3b3a1c46b3a7351cb24fc4f400\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d1aedb7965cf46588872f7be1ce262b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d1aedb7965cf46588872f7be1ce262b6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0269 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d430958049874824ba3c4d0ef66740ac\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022499e9be2472841e1b5f72a82524515b7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022499e9be2472841e1b5f72a82524515b7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A015, new section 236A(3) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022702d7d6b239d468ba193ae424690aba8\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f3d1a4fab5154d49981fe990c750109f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f3d1a4fab5154d49981fe990c750109f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0276 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002269a26e7c7c6e43ddab6efecbc02c564c\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227ecc2493fbeb42b388ea8be57cc43d64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227ecc2493fbeb42b388ea8be57cc43d64\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0264 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022161e1f3664fd4a72a1bbf98df763eef0\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022096ece1ac76f40a29655f877890d11a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022096ece1ac76f40a29655f877890d11a9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0270 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022da945e5c2a274780934889e304950b05\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022511f0d33d69749a1b4c98ad5bff8580c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022511f0d33d69749a1b4c98ad5bff8580c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0271 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002232abe22f66174ae787004eb6ecb12d0e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022057c89ee6c4044d8a52b9e4ef3023640\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022057c89ee6c4044d8a52b9e4ef3023640\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0272 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022b049044fc259473c9881982ba2351dcd\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d00c05f67b6c42fbb653ec4cf26d5538\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d00c05f67b6c42fbb653ec4cf26d5538\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A015, new section 236C(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022331f5bf600054b2bb571ea866efd8acc\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00225f43e867918d45f68e5b1c3361c8c0ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225f43e867918d45f68e5b1c3361c8c0ac\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0268 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002252289ce1cbbc4786aa837acab6158952\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002229fa35f7f36544bcb08f5194dc654ff2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002229fa35f7f36544bcb08f5194dc654ff2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0280 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e85bf3b0b9654f95b1e27a54f7fab6cd\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00220e7ce7bad7724dbe800856ad619a2ffe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220e7ce7bad7724dbe800856ad619a2ffe\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0267 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002211723b8caf3941449bc85dc837681c65\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00226deedf72e8334ba0a6a0d08ef80b2968\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226deedf72e8334ba0a6a0d08ef80b2968\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0278 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022c80851ae55fe470582efbed3e9a9d5aa\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002298011dcfb52a4f2f8aa411be9f27ff90\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002298011dcfb52a4f2f8aa411be9f27ff90\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0282 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225b5ba7c521e14531b4f31b6a70a7b382\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022ffd430c0416b495690be6e77b19aaf67\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ffd430c0416b495690be6e77b19aaf67\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0273 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002235acca62eca44c689027ef430987882d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00225a51140a54164ef89655540eb03c871b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225a51140a54164ef89655540eb03c871b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0274 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d373d778e8504e548598ef6ea6375e06\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00221a29912829af449892e496b1201c51e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221a29912829af449892e496b1201c51e5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0275 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00220b95c7dfa65a42e2a26b0eadfe10c3f2\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e2182e99c1d244b3b91461a47140d704\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e2182e99c1d244b3b91461a47140d704\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0277 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022976d1b1bbb724e47b7b4b95834c1de62\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022331f9e52973c4673b473db63764a4fe2\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Part\u00A01 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart\u00A01 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220993ea74c6d345a8a3e342b5adf957be\u0022\u003EPart\u00A02  Amendments to Social Security Regulations 2018 \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002249029c57241b4b08b36e15bd33b0b2cf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002249029c57241b4b08b36e15bd33b0b2cf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we now come to Part\u00A02. Part\u00A02 is the debate on clauses\u00A059 to 71\u2014\u201CAmendments to Social Security Regulations 2018\u201D\u2014and Schedules 3 and 4. The question is that Part\u00A02 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022539eb1727e96425d89b00287f5d51458\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022539eb1727e96425d89b00287f5d51458\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you so much, Madam Chair. I wanted to start this debate by addressing the provisions in clause\u00A060, particularly subclause\u00A0(1)(ab). There is language that is reflected in other types of sanctions here, and I am particularly interested in the prescribed minimum amount of time. I think it\u2019s really interesting that in the regulations we\u2019ve only set out a prescribed minimum but not a prescribed maximum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI want to know whether the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) have any guidelines to ensure that case managers don\u2019t act in a vindictive matter to then set out an unreasonable amount of hours that people are expected to comply with, for example, community work experience. Without those regulations creating a maximum, what is to stop a case manager saying to someone, \u201CI\u2019m expecting you to do 50 hours a week.\u201D, for example? There\u2019s nothing in the regulations that literally sets that out. Yet, we do have a minimum, which seems to me like the Minister for Social Development and Employment has chosen to ensure that beneficiaries are complying with a bare amount of hours, but nothing to protect beneficiaries from case managers who may have not received adequate training, who may want to act in a vindictive matter to set an unreasonable amount of time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThis matters because the Minister has just outlined that one of her priorities is getting more people into employment. If a case manager acts in a vindictive way because of the lack of provisions in the regulations to lay out a maximum number of hours, what is to then, you know, create the conditions where somebody is engaging in community work experience for, say, 40 to 50 hours a week, and then is unable to actually find the time to find work? I guess to me that is really concerning. Like, how will the Minister create safeguards around this? If there\u2019s no safeguards in the legislation, can she at least give us assurance that the staff will be given guidance on the maximum amount of hours?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI also wanted to ask about subclause\u00A0(2). This is after regulations 163(ab). There\u2019s a line here that talks about training programmes: \u201Cemployment-related training programmes or courses that MSD considers are suitable, for the non-financial sanction called upskilling;\u201D. I wanted to ask whether MSD had already developed a suitability framework in relation to the language and the regulations that talks about suitability, because we don\u2019t have the language in here more granularly defined. How will MSD ensure that they are assessing the suitability of this in a way that it is accurate, and doesn\u2019t lead to discrepancies between offices across the country? So any guidance on whether MSD had already developed these for staff so that the implementation of the upskilling non-financial sanction does not lead to potential harm\u2014people being placed in courses and programmes that are not suitable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EIn the spirit of making sure that I am adding new content, I will move on to clause\u00A061. This is around the community work experience, and I probably will have a range of questions around this because I\u2019m really concerned that in the regulations there\u2019s been a prescribed language around, for example, people having to participate in community work experience for an amount of time, you know, for having to be there in one or more positions. But there is nothing about how participation will be measured and who is responsible for actually, for example, reporting on participation in relation to community work experience. Like, where does the onus lie?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThis is concerning because, for example, I can see that MSD could decide that the onus on reporting the participation, laid out in this new section 163B, may fall on the beneficiary. If it falls on the beneficiary, then will the portal be created? Will the beneficiary self-report how many hours they have attended in community work experience? Does this fall on the community organisation? What are the tools that will be given to those community organisations to ensure that they can actually adequately report on the number of hours and days that the beneficiary is participating in community work experience?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EWill the onus on counting the amount of hours fall with MSD, and, if so, what are the staffing resources allocations that will be used by MSD to ensure that the number of hours and days that people participate in community work experience are adequately reported and that the beneficiary actually has that information available to them? Will the beneficiary be able to track those number of hours in a portal? How will the beneficiary make sure that they know how they\u2019re tracking and the compliance with the community work experience?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EIf it is the community organisation that is in charge of tracking compliance, what are the safeguards that the Minister is putting in place to ensure that, for example, you don\u2019t have community organisations that, for example, could say, \u201CI really like this person on the benefit. I kind of don\u2019t really believe that this person should be participating here, but I want to give them a free pass, so I\u2019m just going to let them participate.\u201D\u2014basically, you know, count their participation, but they\u2019re not actually attending.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EWill there be anything to ensure that she can actually enforce the community work experience sanction and the organisations that she\u2019s engaging with are actually engaging in good faith? Because we know a lot of these organisations have responded really negatively to this non-financial sanction. Some of them could say \u201CI\u2019m going to opt in\u201D, but then not really follow through with complying with what\u2019s out there. So what will the Minister do to ensure that this works as she\u2019s intending it to? Right now, the regulations that she\u2019s laid out only prescribe the amount of weeks and hours that someone has to participate in, but there\u2019s genuinely nothing here around measuring participation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EEqually, on clause\u00A061A, on new regulations 163C and 163D on \u201Creport job search\u201D, I\u2019m equally interested in how participation will be measured. But this is different, right? Like, community work experience participation is somebody literally going into a place\u2014report job search is literally someone saying, \u201CI have applied for this many jobs.\u201D Has MSD developed the tools to ensure that, for example, somebody can report on MyMSD? Will that be verbally? Will that be over the phone? I think this is really important because those regulations are really high level. A lot of it will fall on how that is operationalised, and without giving clarity to people on this, how will we as legislators know that the operationalisation of these regulations is actually going to work at all? We have been given so few details on the job search activity side of things in particular, which is why I\u2019m really interested in knowing whether the ministry has developed any guidelines around this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EFinally for this call\u2014to give the Minister a chance to respond, because otherwise I think we\u2019re not going to get a decent engagement\u2014I wanted to move on to clause\u00A065. These are where we replace regulation 189 with a range of other conditions in which section 334 of the Act specified benefit does not expire under section 332 of the Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI particularly wanted to point to (a), where it says that \u201Cthe beneficiary is a patient in hospital care with the meaning of section 4(1) of the Health and Disability Services (Safety) Act 2001:\u201D. Basically, this means that if somebody is in hospital care, their benefit does not expire. But at the same time, we know that the health system is particularly overburdened, people are being discharged a lot sooner than they should be. The hospital doesn\u2019t have the capacity to adequately care for people, so we could have, for example, somebody being discharged from hospital care and yet still being in really ill health and not receiving the care that they deserve. Yet because they\u2019re not deemed to be within hospital care, their benefit could still expire.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EDoes she think that actually the wording of \u201Cthe beneficiary is a patient in hospital care\u201D is adequate or whether language, for example, around \u201Cthe beneficiary is a patient who is in ill health\u201D or just to kind of broaden the definition so it\u2019s better suited to actually take into account the state of our health system? I think this is important. These are regulations, which means they\u2019re easier to modernise to ensure that they\u2019re fit for purpose for current circumstances.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EAlso on this one, I also want to touch on section 189(e), which is around kind of giving a broader range of circumstances. For example, the second part of the sentence says \u201Cor may be affected by any exceptional circumstances other than those prescribed by paragraphs (c) and (d).\u201D Is there guidance to staff around what counts as \u201Cexceptional circumstances\u201D, or are we just leaving it to the discretion of case managers? If the Minister would be able to elucidate on the guidance that she\u2019s aware that is given to staff to ensure that people\u2019s benefits do not expire if they\u2019re facing exceptional circumstances, that would be really valuable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI think that would also be valuable to have it on the Hansard so that people on the benefit listening to this debate have clarity around how she intends to apply these so-called \u201Cexceptional circumstances\u201D under clause\u00A065.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00229d743f61e6e74de1bdb565b046e13164\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229d743f61e6e74de1bdb565b046e13164\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ll go through some of the queries that the member raised but I do want to say, as I have answered in the previous part of this debate, the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) is in the process of issuing guidance for their staff, which is very normal after any piece of legislation is introduced and passed in the House. So I\u2019m not going to answer questions around the guidelines again, because that\u2019s MSD\u2019s job to prepare them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022244f914832744a35a4c7f4157d998cc7\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u003C/span\u003E: So no guidelines have been developed on anything?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aba9c7f4f80f4c948032f6a0aa6b50d8\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: I have said they are going to be prepared in time for the bill to be enacted and for the second two\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e9085fc0ca8f4c10bdd5083f6f85bae4\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s pretty soon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a537acfceb0e440fa6b4e05f08c973f4\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: It is October, so I\u2019m not going to keep repeating myself in this committee. I have huge confidence in the MSD front line and the case managers. They get enormously excited\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba8d220aea7a42e3b2ee8147b7e3637e\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u003C/span\u003E: Half of their decisions are wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209182f05a00840d1a15a572033bc1b7f\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014when they see someone who\u2019s on the jobseeker benefit actually get a job. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c1fe3071c5541c88a3cff4969374793\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Are we listening to the answers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acd18dce79f44daaadf74b50a41d6da7\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u003C/span\u003E: I am.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c89b6ed861d34817a390c8e86fbd244c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022830ac83590924704a53770d1c9f74ef6\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: So in terms of community work experience, it\u2019s stated on page\u00A031, the prescribed number of minimum hours per week is four. That is because, as I said in my answer to a question in the earlier part, people are still expected to be engaging in their obligations to look for and prepare for and apply for jobs. So five hours is a reasonable minimum for someone to participate in community work while they continue their job search.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u002299dc479a1c774662ae084e73b6835865\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002299dc479a1c774662ae084e73b6835865\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s interesting, the Minister for Social Development and Employment addressed the issue of having a minimum number of hours but completely omitted the reality that she has not set out a maximum number of hours, which means there\u2019s nothing stopping a case manager actually acting in a vindictive way to set out requirements that would actually prevent people from seeking employment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI also wanted to ask whether, if she\u2019s saying that none of those guidelines have been fully developed and they\u2019re under development\u2014is it her expectation that front-line caseworkers will be able to feed into those guidelines being developed? I ask this because we have heard again from the front lines that\u2014well, we have heard from the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) that the front line is over capacity. Is MSD actually consulting with the front line to ensure that the guidelines reflect the current experiences and capacity that they\u2019re under, and who else is MSD consulting with when it comes to development of these guidelines?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EShe talked about how some of this won\u2019t come into effect until October, which actually could give MSD ample time to, for example, consult with community organisations or even do a survey of people on the benefit to ensure that these guidelines reflect the experience on the ground. I want to understand the level of resourcing it\u2019s utilising to develop these guidelines and who is actually being consulted, if anyone, in the development of these. I think this is the best opportunity to ask the process that MSD is undertaking in the development of those guidelines. I think people should not be left in the shadows around how these are developed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI think the reason why asking about the process to develop these guidelines is really important\u2014before becoming an MP, working at Auckland Action Against Poverty, I did an Official Information Act request around, for example, the training modules around MSD\u2019s caseworkers being able to assess whether someone\u2019s in a relationship in the nature of marriage. What we found, for example, at the time is that they were encouraged to prod people with questions about their intimate sex lives, and that was really concerning. People raised concerns about the process that MSD used to investigate people and how staff were enabled to do this, and that triggered a whole response by the Privacy Commissioner, who did a whole inquiry into benefit investigations. So, you know, if the Minister is not giving us robust answers on the processes that are being constructed around these guidelines, I really worry that staff will be left with really poor training modules.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI also wanted to ask whether she expects that MSD staffers will have to at some point re-sit any of the training modules that I\u2019m assuming will be created to ensure that staffers have the tools to implement these non-financial sanctions. We know that the training modules exist, but there is little clarity about how often people are asked to re-sit these training modules to ensure that they just don\u2019t have to do it, for example, at the beginning of their work and then assume that they absorbed all the information and therefore they can apply these non-financial sanctions accurately and as laid out in the legislation. So does she expect that the guidelines developed by MSD will require staffers to constantly be refreshed on these, and, if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI wanted to move on to clause\u00A066 now. Here we\u2019re talking about new Regulation 190C, the \u201CRequirements completed in 20 working days starting on expiry date\u201D. I\u2019m going to go to subclause\u00A0(2), \u201CMSD must regrant the person\u2019s specified benefit if MSD is satisfied that\u2014 \u2026 (b) on and after that expiry date, and unless exceptional circumstances prevented the person from doing so, the person continued to meet \u2026 eligibility criteria for that benefit.\u201D In terms of that, I hear that some guidelines are being developed; is MSD reusing any previous modules or documents to then create these ones as laid out in that very specific regulation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI will go back to my earlier questions, just to recap: who is being consulted in the development of these guidelines? Will staff be required to sit through training modules more than once to make sure that they are equipped with the tools to apply these sanctions accurately? How does she expect, as a Minister, safeguards to be put in place so that, for example, we don\u2019t end up having community organisations reporting that someone is attending community work experience when they may actually not be doing so? And what are her expectations around how organisations will report on compliance with these non-financial sanctions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022 data-id=\u0022be4d1817bdf64ebd9209056b29d081d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be4d1817bdf64ebd9209056b29d081d4\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022fffb85fab2804f45ad2538417b4d0fa9\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000708\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002204b5050535a8488f8d4f31608024d306\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002204b5050535a8488f8d4f31608024d306\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A02 of the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper\u00A0263 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0279 are out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A02 of the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper\u00A0set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0285 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part\u00A02 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0263 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227cc15bc3cd8741f6bf4fb938608bf43e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227cc15bc3cd8741f6bf4fb938608bf43e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A02 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0276 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A02 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0267 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e17e4b420bd240f89f780a8c02e34714\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb4b2940b3074e86b6d5f244cf851300\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb4b2940b3074e86b6d5f244cf851300\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A02 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0273 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223432263350a047388dc233ae3790bd5d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022950ded0fa3ac4976a6e7e0d3c47d93e0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022950ded0fa3ac4976a6e7e0d3c47d93e0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A02 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0274 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002248057b7086274a1b9d7bd52aa63853e9\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022ffe3dd36ab2a48c883ddf8a6ddb1608d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ffe3dd36ab2a48c883ddf8a6ddb1608d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A02 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0275 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e5823583d6544491bc53dbf1046491e5\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00220d0e17b0bc71431cb435ff62e23bc50d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220d0e17b0bc71431cb435ff62e23bc50d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A016, new regulation 163A be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022c148b9834d8349c9ac52b3bef92532aa\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E55 Ayes\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E68 Noes\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022712f4761fde84e01a284c2571e3f792c\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Part\u00A02 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart\u00A02 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223ed621b70a1545e5b3ee145d7cafcd1d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Schedule 1 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESchedule 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00226aa5939598ab4860a43f3190c8721886\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226aa5939598ab4860a43f3190c8721886\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to Schedule 2 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0283 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222c39e82bf091409f930bc49a2a8fb498\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Schedule 2 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESchedule 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022af9fc67db81e4b79b152028b68dcab72\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Schedule 3 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESchedule 3 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022b201f32decd84ad680c5a66dd67fd1f7\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Schedule 4 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESchedule 4 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bef11f67048f4d78bd4166374ffb4815\u0022\u003EClauses\u00A01 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e80cd8fad2674608b71a35cd3baaa8b3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e80cd8fad2674608b71a35cd3baaa8b3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to our final debate, clauses\u00A01 and 2. This is the debate on \u201CTitle\u201D and \u201CCommencement\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022f914139f62f54f79884f0fa8d0974507\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f914139f62f54f79884f0fa8d0974507\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Before I go into the title, I want to talk about the commencement. I think there\u2019s a few things to note here, and that is because we have different parts of the bill coming into effect at different times. We\u2019ve got three different dates: 26 May, then we\u2019ve got 1 July, and then we have provisions that would be coming into place on 20 October 2025. I wanted to ask the Minister for Social Development and Employment: in the previous parts of the debate, we have heard about how guidelines and the operationalisation of some of these non-financial sanctions are still being developed, yet we\u2019ve got, basically, three different dates. Can the Minister tell us to what extent some of these guidelines on operationalising this piece of legislation have been developed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EIt seems to me like there was no sort of sense of information being given to us, when I asked about the guidelines that are being developed by the Minister in relationship to the non-financial sanctions. Because the report job search and the upskilling non-financial sanctions were added quite late into the piece, I am assuming that is why we have that 20 October 2025 date\u2014that is, to give the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) an adequate amount of time to prepare guidelines, because the Minister just dumped those in the select committee quite late into the stage, even though she flagged it in a Cabinet document really early and then told no one. Compared to upskilling and the report job search, how much work has already been done in developing training modules, guidelines\u2014you know, changes to the MyMSD portal or otherwise\u2014for the provisions that would be coming into force on 26 May and 1 July, compared to the provisions that would be coming into place on October 2025?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI also wanted to know what level of consultation was done with MSD and who was consulted in MSD to ensure that 20 October 2025 was a good enough date to ensure that adequate guidelines were being developed for the upskilling and the report job search. Again, we did not really get much clarity around who exactly is being consulted around these guidelines, when I asked that in the debate on Part\u00A02, so I am trying to seek clarity on this in the commencement parts of the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThe other question I had was also in relation to the provisions that will come into effect on 1 July. This is relatively soon, and so I wanted to ask: to what point have we got, in terms of not just developing guidelines for MSD staffers but the websites that are going to be created to communicate the changes to people on the benefit? With the traffic light system, there was, you know, quite a lot of communication that came through to people on the benefit to explain these changes. Obviously, those changes were not legislative in the traffic light system; these are, and there are real, material consequences attached to these non-financial sanctions. For the tranche of changes that are coming into effect on 1 July, what forms of communication will she be using to ensure that benefit recipients are able to have the information that they need? And will she be communicating to people on the benefit before 20 October around the changes that are incoming? Because there\u2019s ample of time before 20 October. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI\u2019m assuming that the more time she gives people on the benefit to understand these two non-financial sanctions that are coming into effect, the more people will be able to comply with them. Otherwise, if there\u2019s not ample time being given to explain how those will work in detail, I\u2019m assuming there will be more people who could end up being subjected to these non-financial sanctions and actually unable to comply with them. Any clarity on this would be appreciated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EJust to not conflate issues, I\u2019ll take some questions on the title itself in a moment, but I\u2019ll give the Minister a chance to answer any of my questions on commencement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00227fc131c8032f4c1cbbe454af54b5eb7a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227fc131c8032f4c1cbbe454af54b5eb7a\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E Well, the member Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March has laid out the different implementation dates, so he\u2019s clearly aware of what they are. How those guidelines are developed is an operational matter for the Ministry of Social Development. They\u2019ve been working hard, and I\u2019m confident they\u2019ll have them ready and they\u2019ll communicate it in the way they need to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022a610a799dca64c7d9beab3705d047d68\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a610a799dca64c7d9beab3705d047d68\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I want to talk about, obviously, the title, Social Security Amendment Bill. I think we\u2019ve probably agreed, on the side, that a better title would be \u201CSocial Security (Boot the Beneficiaries) Amendment Bill\u201D. We think that\u2019s a much better title. Given the outrage from many of our people in the community who just don\u2019t think this is a fair response to their plight, and the punitive actions that have been taken by this Government, not representing the depth of feeling in the communities. We have huge concerns, and that\u2019s why this bill isn\u2019t labelled lightly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u201CBoot the Beneficiaries\u201D seems a very reasonable title, given the extreme work, now, that our team at the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) will have to undertake. We\u2019re talking about huge pressures now at the front line for MSD, and, of course, there\u2019s been a loss of over 700 jobs. So you\u2019re talking about a loss of over 700 jobs in terms of backroom staff there, and yet they\u2019ve got this huge workload, so we don\u2019t see how they\u2019re going to cope. They\u2019ve got an extra 30,000 more people that they\u2019re going to have to cope with. It is beyond us here on this side of the Chamber how they\u2019re going to cope with this. So penalising them with sanctions that remove the agency of spending money with a money management scheme that makes it impossible for beneficiaries\u2014that\u2019s what they\u2019re saying. Thats what they were saying throughout the select committee stage. The money management scheme makes it impossible for beneficiaries to pay for rent, power bills, and their ability to buy school uniforms. Are we listening to our communities? This is what this is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI wasn\u2019t on the Social Services and Community Committee myself, and Helen White\u2019s been speaking on this, but reading through\u2014we\u2019re new to the committee, but that\u2019s what they were saying: \u201CYou are penalising us with sanctions, and you\u2019re making it very difficult in terms of looking after our wh\u0101nau, looking after our family, and looking after our communities.\u201D So I asked, looking over there at Shane Jones\u2014it\u2019s sad that he\u2019s now on this punitive style; he once worked with me in terms of getting young people off the couch. That was his thing. Now he wants to push them through the couch. I don\u2019t know what\u2019s happened to him. You know, it\u2019s a total change from Shane Jones and the aroha he used to show when he was with the Labour Party. He\u2019s changed since he\u2019s moved to the other side, and he\u2019s become so punitive, and now he wants to bury his own relations and push them through the couch.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe don\u2019t require a punitive approach here, Minister Jones. We need you to go back to where you were a few years ago, but sadly you\u2019re not there. We all have problems with these beneficiaries. We all have problems. Some of them are our relations, some of them are our friends, but they\u2019re part of us, so constantly punishing them is not the way, is not the strategy, going forward. We must have a more embracing aroha approach, which is what was the case under the previous Labour Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI ask the Minister for Social Development and Employment to think about that as we go forward with regards to this, in terms of doubling the time and making it tougher for wh\u0101nau, damning this kaupapa with needless bureaucracy that will be managed by a faceless AI program. I mean, that was one of the major concerns, and you\u2019re talking about disabled people who have to try and traverse their way through this type of kaupapa\u2014incredibly difficult. So from our community and from all the responses that have come forward, it is quite clear that the title of this kaupapa is incredibly misnamed. I think you just drop in the \u201CSocial Security (Boot the Beneficiaries) Amendment Bill\u201D, and this side of the Chamber would be very, very happy going forward, because I think that encapsulates what our community is saying, a community that\u2019s been left out, that has not been consulted properly, that doesn\u2019t really know where they stand at the moment, and that needs more consultation going forward. So that\u2019s my k\u014Drero with regards to this title. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u00229a9a08b7a98c4ef7a6dfb946dd581288\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229a9a08b7a98c4ef7a6dfb946dd581288\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you so much, Mr Chair. While I take the point of the Minister for Social Development and Employment that she has confidence in the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) developing these guidelines, I\u2019m keen to know whether she has sought any briefings or advice or updates on the development of these guidelines since this bill finished at the select committee stage. So far, I haven\u2019t seen the Minister engage with the substance of this. I\u2019m concerned she\u2019s just fobbing it off as operational issues when, actually, these are material issues for our communities\u2014the stuff in this piece of legislation could literally deprive people of the means to survive. She doesn\u2019t need to believe me; she can just see the report and the evidence and the advice from MSD.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI want to go on to the title. I want to ask the Minister whether she came up with such a bland and nondescript title because she hadn\u2019t finished writing the bill. I wonder if whether that\u2019s the reason she had to come up with a title that does not accurately reflect what\u2019s in the bill. Most other bills from this Government actually have names that often do reflect the intent of the Government in the bill. What we\u2019ve seen so far throughout this debate is the Minister constantly just either adding bits to this bill, in the name of two extra financial sanctions, or, for example, putting Ministers in the chair who were completely out of their depth and unwilling to engage accurately on the provisions of this bill. She may want to check the Hansard, but, for example, James Meager couldn\u2019t even accurately describe what a relationship was, in relation to the welfare system. So I recommend that she may want to talk to her colleagues around engaging both with the substance of what she\u2019s doing and the broader welfare system to ensure that we have a bill and a debate that accurately reflects what is happening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EWith that in mind, I was wondering whether the Minister may be open to adopting some of my amendments on the title, which I do think accurately describe in a neutral way what is happening with this bill. For example, amendments that would just simply describe that this is adding more benefit sanctions and other matters\u2014you know, for example, she could add to the title: Social Security \u201C(Four Additional New Benefit Sanctions)\u201D Amendment Bill. I do think she may want to also consider titles that accurately describe the impact on people, which is that this bill will push more people into poverty. This is the end result of the so-called non-financial sanctions, particularly with compulsory money management. So I am just curious as to why she decided to name this bill the Social Security Amendment Bill\u2014such a bland, bland term\u2014without actually describing the impact of the bill and its title.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI think this is also particularly important because members of the community will just see the Social Security Amendment Bill becoming law, and the problem is that if you\u2019re the everyday person and you\u2019re not really engaging with the Minister\u2019s low social media following, I think it\u2019s going to be hard to understand, you know, what the actual impacts are of this piece of legislation just by looking at the title. I think good lawmaking should include accurately naming bills. I do think the Minister has an opportunity here to describe the legislation for what it is: an attack on the poor, an attack on people on the benefit; a bill that does not have any evidential basis, that does not support people into employment, and, if anything, will more likely overburden the front line at MSD who already told us that they\u2019re oversubscribed. So I do think the Minister should, in good faith, take some of my amendments that I genuinely think better measure and describe what she\u2019s trying to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI also think that she may want to take up the opportunity to describe this bill as simply taking measures to reduce people receiving income support by 50,000, because this is ultimately what it will do. It\u2019s not about supporting people into employment. There\u2019s nothing in this bill that actually does that. What it does is create new mechanisms for people to be stripped of income support\u2014which, yeah, does help her meet her target of having 50,000 fewer people on the benefit, but it does not support, you know, anything to help people have decent incomes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI think she may also want to consider whether a better name for this bill could be something along the lines of \u201CMeasures to Increase Child Poverty\u201D. We\u2019ve already seen that under her watch, food insecurity and material hardship for children is increasing. I think this bill will just contribute to that. I did try to ask in previous times, in the annual review debate, whether she thinks any of her policies will increase and exacerbate these issues. This is a bill that will do that. So why not just say it, own it, and name it for what it is: an attack on the poor and some of our most vulnerable families, who she actually made unemployed and are now receiving income support. So I welcome the Minister\u2019s engagement on why she chose this title.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022 data-id=\u00220157d6140e0e4671b3b335218265556e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220157d6140e0e4671b3b335218265556e\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you. I was wondering whether the Minister for Social Development and Employment would consider a name that is more accurate in terms of what this bill is to do\u2014something along the lines of the \u201CBlame Anybody Else and Distract from our own Failings Bill\u201D. We have the situation at the present time where unemployment is up\u2014it hasn\u2019t been this high for years\u2014and what this Government has done is it has spent its precious time putting through a bill where we are blaming and sanctioning people for their state of unemployment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003ENow, I made an earlier comment in the first part about the relationship between this and other bills that have gone through this House. Late last year, we had a bill where we changed the law so that the Reserve Bank governor no longer had to take into account a maximum sustainable employment goal, because this Government wanted more unemployment. It wanted more unemployment because that would lead to wages going down as there was more supply in the market, and that would stop inflation on the back of good wages, of higher wages.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003ENow, that\u2019s fine if you own a house. It absolutely kills you if you\u2019re an ordinary New Zealander, many of whom can\u2019t own a house, many of whose wealth is not through that source. What we really need in this country is full employment, and we had it. We had really good employment. While that\u2019s difficult in terms of inflation, that\u2019s a really important value of mine that we do that. Yet in this climate what we\u2019ve got is growing unemployment, and what does the Government do? It brings in a law which talks about sanctioning beneficiaries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EWe know some of those beneficiaries are the good people of Kinleith who have worked really, really hard all their lives. What\u2019s the Government done to help them when manufacturing has got into trouble in this country? Where\u2019s the Government for the people of Kinleith? Where\u2019s the Government for people in our manufacturing sector? Where\u2019s the Government when it comes to supporting our workers in New Zealand on low pay who have been impacted by pay equity issues? Out the door. They\u2019re all just going to have their wages reduced and if they\u2019re made unemployed, that\u2019s really a good thing because it\u2019s going to bring down inflation. That seems to be the logic\u2014that that is the kind of trickle down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EThis bill where there\u2019s not really any need for it, where we\u2019ve got 5\u00A0percent unemployment, where our greatest sector of people who are unemployed are our youth. The youth rates of unemployment are through the roof under this Government. That\u2019s not because they\u2019re all lazy. That\u2019s because there are pockets of our population that are not able to find employment in a market this Government is responsible for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003ESo what do we do? We bring about a bill like this, which is all about blaming those people and saying that they\u2019re slackers. Well, they\u2019re not slackers in Kinleith, and they\u2019re not actually slackers who are unemployed at the present time, because they weren\u2019t unemployed under a Labour Government; they were employed. The numbers have gone up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003ERather than spend our lives distracting from the state of the economy\u2014which has been engineered to have higher unemployment\u2014we could actually concentrate on turning around the situation and concentrate on full employment. The Reserve Bank governor might again consider maximum sustainable employment as one of the objectives of an economy that is trying to bring wellbeing to most New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EPerhaps the Minister would reconsider the name of this bill, and this bill could actually be reflective of the calculated distraction away from what\u2019s actually going on, which is higher unemployment not through the fault of people all slacking around on the couch and needing money management. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EI just wanted to turn for a minute to the issue of budget services, because this bill contains a money management tool, when in fact people are getting about 300 bucks a week. You try it. I would say you try to manage your money when you\u2019re getting $300 a week. What did we do? We cut budget services because we were trying to save money. Apparently, it was a waste of money to spend it on our budget services. Yet we are asking for money management here. I would ask that the Minister consider\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e9d9248694149d1b405e73bc6254e97\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022 data-id=\u002225435b4e2a2944df8f5b88ba36fe130c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002225435b4e2a2944df8f5b88ba36fe130c\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I have a question\u2014well, I have a series of questions\u2014for the Minister for Social Development around the commencement, and one of the things that is immediately noticeable is the three variations when it comes to the commencement date. The first one is the Monday after the Budget, and then 1 July\u2014that\u2019s understandable\u2014but having a third commencement date is really puzzling for me, because there seems to be this arbitrary date when it comes to 20 October 2025, and, understandably, that is on the basis of the two new sanctions that the Minister has introduced as part of this bill. However, one of the things that we are seeing when it comes to this bill is a Government that has put forward more \u201Cblue tape\u201D for people to be able to access benefits, to be able to access the support that they wanted, and to create as much of a bureaucratic and convoluted system as possible so that the least number of people are able to access the support that is needed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EI think that that is clearly reflected here in the commencement date, and let\u2019s just go to the first part, because the thing is when it comes to this series of commencement dates, one of the things that is also quite noticeable\u2014for example, in new Part\u00A014 of Schedule 1 of the Social Security Regulations 2018, in Schedule 4 of this bill\u2014is that there are also retrospective elements when it comes to certain dates being allocated. So I think that in terms of the actual date itself, it doesn\u2019t affect the purpose of this bill all that much. However, what it does affect is the implementation of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003ENow, the Minister has mentioned that that is an operational matter\u2014that\u2019s what the Minister has said. However, I actually don\u2019t think that in that case, it\u2019s a convincing enough argument for two reasons, and I\u2019ll just give two examples of that when it comes to why just simply referring to having the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) be able to implement this on the basis of these commencement dates is not viable. The first one is that what we don\u2019t know and what we haven\u2019t anticipated, but let\u2019s say that as part of Budget 2024, what we did see was the severe cuts to the Public Service, and there have been a number of cuts to MSD, as well. Therefore, what MSD is possibly telling the Minister now may not be reflective of what is going to happen in a month\u2019s time, or, indeed, in a couple of weeks\u2019 time. So I don\u2019t know if the Minister actually, when we are looking at the commencement dates, has taken into consideration, when MSD is giving advice to the Minister on the viability of those dates, the potential changes to the structure of MSD as a result of anything that is upcoming, which, I\u2019m sure, is of Budget sensitivity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000752\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EThe other example that I would just like to give is something that is actually very topical right now, which is the announcement that was made in the 2024 Budget around FamilyBoost. It was at that time, as well, that it was considered an operational matter that it was reliant on IRD to be able to implement it really smoothly, like the Minister is now saying that she has faith in MSD to implement these sanctions on the basis of the commencement dates that we see here. However, what we do see when it comes to FamilyBoost is that the Government has overestimated the capacity of IRD to do that, and what we\u2019re seeing is $14\u00A0million being put towards the administration of it. Now, I don\u2019t know if the Minister is able to advise on the basis of the commencement dates here that we are able to see this similar blowout when it comes to admin costs in order to implement these sanctions, and that is something that we have not heard the Minister articulate clearly throughout the entire committee stage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EMy question to the Minister in this case is: would the Minister consider my current tabled amendment, which actually removes a lot of the clutter that we do see under clause\u00A02 of this bill? It is removing subclause\u00A0(1A), removing subclause\u00A0(1) and subclause\u00A0(2), and removing subclause\u00A0(3), and making it nice and easy and simple to say that this Act, in its entirety, comes into force on 20\u00A0October 2025. Now, that would give reassurance not only to the communities but also to MSD that any changes as a result of the upcoming Budget will likely have petered out by October and that any structures that may change internally or organisationally may be able to adjust as a result of the Budget announcement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EI would very much like to hear from the Minister if she would consider\u2014I\u2019m not saying to remove part of the sanctions or part of the bill. All I\u2019m asking for is to make it simple and to extend the bill\u2019s commencement date to 20 October 2025, in its entirety. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022 data-id=\u00224dd268d810304ac99b22363b4a4cec78\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224dd268d810304ac99b22363b4a4cec78\u0022\u003EDAVID MacLEOD (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022f41eb0a380b846ef824e05b9bb149e63\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000756\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f41eb0a380b846ef824e05b9bb149e63\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: I will take another call from the Opposition, but just a reminder that this is the debate on the title and commencement. It is a narrow debate, so if people can keep it narrow; we don\u2019t want to hear general debate speeches. The time for that is not now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022f92990d7dde14ece97c17f482113fcab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000757\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f92990d7dde14ece97c17f482113fcab\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Yeah, Mr Chair, just further on the title and the commencement date. I did put up a very reasonable title before, as I\u2019m sure Mr Meager\u2014I\u2019m sure he agrees with it, because as we all know, he\u2019s got prime ministerial aspirations and so he\u2019ll agree with anyone to advance his career. But anyway, coming back to the title [Interruption]\u2014I just had to refer to that, because we know that National\u2019s in a lot of trouble at the moment, as we all know. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI thought, given the impact that this kaupapa has on our communities, given the impact that the reapplication every 26 weeks has in terms of trying to get a benefit, that that is every reason why the commencement date should be extended for another 12 months. I think we all want to be reasonable here, we don\u2019t want to be too punitive, do we? Do we? I look back at the Welfare Expert Advisory Group, who recommended the 52-week reapplication requirements be removed, citing that \u201CThere is little evidence in support of using obligations and sanctions (as in the current system) to change behaviour; rather, there is research indicating that they compound social harm and disconnectedness.\u201D I think that that type of k\u014Drero, from people who know our communities, is every reason that we have to be careful when we make change. As a Government, we did not advance all the recommendations from the Welfare Expert Advisory Group, but we certainly took a lot of what they said on board. They also recommended that money management be abolished, and yet we have a Government ignoring that type of k\u014Drero.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a80292e5bf5940fdb909dbb1bb89d86a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: I think some of this are enjoying this history, but can you link it back to the title and commencement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb70fdd6726248ce9ca8815df1c2740f\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m citing these examples because I think that we should not be implementing these types of punitive strategies immediately. I think that we should be working with our communities, working with our community organisations, our different groups, and working these things up. Mind you, we\u2019re totally opposed to them, but we have, through the whole process, heard from our people that they totally reject and resent the application of this kaupapa. So, that being the case, surely we should be postponing what we should be doing. On that basis, we are saying that let\u2019s put this off for another 12 months, maybe 24 months\u2014that would be better\u2014and have a look at it again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EOn top of that, we have a Government who is cutting services. The Ministry for Social Development (MSD) really does not have the capacity to deal with the projected changes, and\u2014so many examples: the regulatory impact statement (RIS) highlights the consequences that MSD will have to direct more resources towards compliance\u2014that\u2019s what it says\u2014and they\u2019ll be required to put less resources into helping beneficiaries into work. So if that\u2019s not a warning that these types of changes are far too soon, I don\u2019t know what is. Research cited in the RIS highlighted that \u201CSanctions may increase mental and physical health problems\u201D, including substance abuse and poverty. So wouldn\u2019t a caring Government want to try and put that type of change off to way, way down the track? The RIS highlights that previous work on reapplications show that cancellations of the benefit as part of the reapplication process often led to a new application, suggesting procedural denials rather than ineligibility. I think that the other side should have a think about this as they want to make changes. I think that a better strategy would be to have a transition-type strategy over the next year or two, rather than implement a very punitive strategy on communities who, at the moment, hate this Government very much. Thank you, Mr Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022319227f0eeec4407bc0db05f6700dc0a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2014a contribution focused on the title and commencement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u00227ba8f95c9f704662b25892d0802ed621\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227ba8f95c9f704662b25892d0802ed621\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I will be adding new points on the commencement dates. Thank you very much, Mr Chair, I do take your guidance quite seriously on this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI wanted to ask about the staffing capacity in relationship to the third tranche of policies coming into effect on 20 October. Was there a reason that the Minister for Social Development and Employment also added 20 October as a direct result of the staff not having capacity to implement this policy; if not, what was the reason, other than that? Because so far, in the public realm, we mostly just have statements from the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) saying that the traffic light system has now really overburdened them. There are programmes for things like preventing homelessness that have now been put on pause as a result of that and so I\u2019m asking whether that\u2019s the reason why there\u2019s the 20 October date. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EAdditionally, I\u2019m curious to know whether the Minister has requested, since introducing those two additional sanctions to, for example, Cabinet, to increase the resourcing for staff and to expand the number of staff working at MSD at the front lines to ensure that she can adequately implement the second tranche of sanctions coming into place on 20 October. I know that she mentioned earlier that she had confidence around the setting up of the guidelines, but MSD has, in my view, in my opinion, not expressed confidence around the capacity they have to continue implementing the current set of programmes to the point that some are now being dropped. So my new point was around the staffing capacity and whether that was the rationale for having the 20 October date as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EMy other question would be on whether she expects, in the commencement sort of period that we have, that she\u2019ll continue developing\u2014or she expects MSD to continue developing\u2014for example, modules and/or communications to clients around the benefit sanctions coming in 1 July. So between 1 July and 20 October, whether she expects there will be ongoing work to develop communications on the implementation of compulsory money management as well as the obligation failure count. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000767\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EWe haven\u2019t really talked about the obligation failure count in relationship to the commencement date, and I wanted to ask whether the obligation failure count extensions\u2014that is, the fact that obligation failures will now be accumulated for twice as long than before, whether those will start accumulating basically at the commencement date of 1 July or whether she thinks that beneficiaries should be given a bit of a sort of reprieve to just be aware that this is coming into place; whether she expects communications to come before 1 July around the obligation failure count. Because I could see that, for example, if her intent is that people are complying more with the obligations laid out in legislation, having those communications come out before 1 July would, again, ensure that people are not accumulating more failure counts, assuming that they\u2019ll reset in a 12-month period as opposed to twice as long as it is being now laid out in this piece of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000768\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI worry that without those clear communications being put out before 1 July, that people could end up assuming that those obligation failures will reset in a specific period that they assume would have been the case, and so I\u2019m hoping to seek clarity on how the Minister seeks to mitigate any adverse consequences that may come from the staged process that she has.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000769\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThe other thing that I want to speak to, and this is in relation to my colleague Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment, is why not just have everything come into place in October? It just makes sense to me\u2014right?\u2014that, like, we have this one bill with one commencement date that enables both the MSD front lines to prepare and for the people who are receiving income support to adequately prepare for these new punishments that are being added, as opposed to having a much more convoluted process that just, again, as others have outlined, increases the bureaucracy that people have to go through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000770\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003ETo recap for the Chair, I\u2019m asking as to whether the lack of staff capacity factors in it all in setting the date of 20 October, and, if so, what steps is the Minister taking to increase that capacity so that we don\u2019t have other work programmes being dropped like we have seen as a result of the Government initiatives?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022 data-id=\u00223b94210c77e048ecb7e524737e729b0a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000771\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223b94210c77e048ecb7e524737e729b0a\u0022\u003ETOM RUTHERFORD (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022483106a49ca14c5689d398186750354a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022478b397a23944e69bc86351a40548535\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022478b397a23944e69bc86351a40548535\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Insecurity Amendment Act 2024\u201D is out of order as merely being an attempt to criticise the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000773\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EMariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Devastation Amendment Act 2024\u201D is out of order as merely an attempt to criticise the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EMariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CKick us while we\u2019re Down Amendment Act 2024\u201D is out of order as being merely an attempt to criticise the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000775\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EMariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Deprivation Amendment Act 2024\u201D is out of order as merely an attempt to criticise the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000776\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Security (Pushing People Into Poverty) Amendment Bill\u201D is out of order as merely being an attempt to criticise the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000777\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Security (Making People Reapply Twice as Often and Other Matters) Amendment Bill\u201D is out of order as merely being an attempt to criticise the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000778\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Security (Additional Barriers to Continue Receiving a Benefit) Amendment Bill\u201D is out of order as being merely an attempt to criticise the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000779\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Security (Measures to Increase Child Poverty and Other Matters) Amendment Bill\u201D is out of order as being merely an attempt to criticise the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000780\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EThe question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Security (Additional Benefit Sanctions and Other Matters) Amendment Bill\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d9cae1d96077447f8ae36e464c37fe2e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022c7fed235075640a981940f51bd84b173\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000781\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c7fed235075640a981940f51bd84b173\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Security (Four New Benefit Sanctions and Other Matters) Amendment Bill\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224e4458014a1b45d8b720786cf9dfaddd\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022b72a30817d2e4a2dac32f705c40bbf9d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000782\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b72a30817d2e4a2dac32f705c40bbf9d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 to change the title to \u201CSocial Security (Measures to Reduce People Receiving Income Support by 50,000) Amendment Bill\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022592f4aa045174413934ce5ab833739bb\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022b2f8752ec4be45c0ba62a194bbe6033d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause\u00A01 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause\u00A01 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022c2602497d56244a699c999c6310a4043\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000783\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c2602497d56244a699c999c6310a4043\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to clause\u00A02 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0263 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a788aa223c6748d58f0aac801b5454d3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022889dd7f983db44b89cedf91f2efff68a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000784\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022889dd7f983db44b89cedf91f2efff68a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s amendment to clause\u00A02 set out on Amendment Paper\u00A0282 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022b511324fd56744b3b5e071355eb62207\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u00226efeebdef5294119a2711e4d3fb290a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000785\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226efeebdef5294119a2711e4d3fb290a3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendments to clause\u00A02 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022359c3444d1da4d3a981876e0bad097aa\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022235ad59bf57544748c9b92f084c74a06\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000786\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022235ad59bf57544748c9b92f084c74a06\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to clause\u00A02 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002210e795c09d26496295d4f365c94f0f6e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022c750af60992e4c30935969dd3046aa6c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000787\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c750af60992e4c30935969dd3046aa6c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendments to clause\u00A02 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022338869b298c749f5a7f48583e281de33\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222925ab95df894b73b33cb1ad8554e44e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause\u00A02 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause\u00A02 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000788\u0022\u003EBill to be reported with amendment.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000789\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u00221c7714dfcccd42079352c55cfff75ad0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000790\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c7714dfcccd42079352c55cfff75ad0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker, the committee has considered the Social Security Amendment Bill and reports it with amendment. I move, That the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b4d3962bcd07478289600d0c8691b4f3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000791\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b4d3962bcd07478289600d0c8691b4f3\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the report be adopted. Those of that opinion will say Aye, to the contrary No. The Ayes have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000792\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267799e643bf74e3c9e9a33d4a0396f45\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u003C/span\u003E: No, the Noes have it. Party vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000793\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206d9be624f534d8bb9dd4de094c82894\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Are we sure we want to have a vote on procedure? Can I ask that question again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000794\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291579938b95b4813bc7fd4f89727b1c0\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u003C/span\u003E: Sure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000795\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0ec0685ab3d41d9875a930fd6ab6195\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000797\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000798\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223662135777fd4f1f8d08abf4759f69b0\u0022\u003ERacing Industry Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000799\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d11b44d82b2340a7b9be2d179831f660\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1d0aebdf529487fb0f6aee2e85c9367\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000800\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1d0aebdf529487fb0f6aee2e85c9367\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Oceans and Fisheries)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister for Racing: I present a legislative statement on the Racing Industry Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000801\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f42b7c81103d4aedb6e8ec98a7b66323\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000802\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d84f6a9aa3424760a0ff6e1b367631df\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Racing Industry Amendment Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000803\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThis bill amends the Racing Industry Act 2020. I want to traverse a number of the points, for affirmation and reinforcement, that were made in the first reading. Quite simply, it\u2019s designed to safeguard the sustainability of our racing industry, which is almost fully funded by the TAB. This industry should not be underestimated, generating $1.9\u00A0billion to our economy in 2022-23, employing 13,500 fulltime-equivalents across the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000804\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ELet it be known that less than 8\u00A0percent of the horses in group 1 races in Australia are from New Zealand but, consistent with the renown and the prestige associated with this incredibly important domestic industry, nigh on 22\u00A0percent of all races at an elite level are won by our horses. So we have an opportunity to grow the racing industry, both domestically and in terms of international exports, and, in turn, grow the returns in terms of what we believe this industry is capable of generating\u2014an industry that sadly has been overlooked, neglected, at a time where marginal concerns threaten to overwhelm animal industries such as this one. The current system needs to be futureproofed, and we need to do better so that we generate the surplus and every horse or every service that generates overseas income shows that this is a contributor to doubling our nation\u2019s exports.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000805\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThe legislation will retain betting revenue in New Zealand and enable us to do particularly well given the industry has faced a host of other threats in terms of people being able to engage in betting activity without the nation State collecting a fair return.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000806\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ENow, let us focus just for a moment on the Governance and Administration Committee\u2019s scrutiny of the bill. This committee\u2014and we have to acknowledge the people who have served on the committee\u2014have recommended that it be passed. There were 101 submissions on the bill, and the select committee showed a great deal of diligence and professionalism in addressing the issues raised by these various submitters. The House should note a vote of thanks for the thoroughness in terms of the submissions process and acknowledge the people who made the effort and came and spoke to this committee of our Parliament. To do what? To improve the quality of the bill. It\u2019s a timely reminder that there are many of us in the House who should always pay attention to what can be learnt through the select committee process, where a select committee process is appropriate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000807\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThe committee recommended various amendments, and no doubt they will be addressed in the committee stages, but one or three are deserving of mention. Most provisions in the bill will come into force after Royal assent. Clauses\u00A0related to the repeal of the point of consumption charge will take effect two years after Royal assent, enabling any outstanding charges to be collected from offshore operators on bets that were placed before the monopoly comes into force. The committee correctly recommends an amendment that would allow this repeal to take place sooner, rather than in two years, by Order in Council if the cost of collecting the charges outweighs the remaining money to be collected. There\u2019s an expansion of ministerial powers to be able to request information from the TAB, and the chief executive of the department shall be empowered to request info from the TAB. Provisions for regulation-making powers relating to harm minimisation and consumer protection will be provided for. And we understand the committee was generally satisfied such powers were broad enough to deal with the kinds of regulations that could be made in the future to ensure that we do not encounter difficulties of an ultra vires nature.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000808\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThe committee recommended amendments to the regulation-making powers to provide more certainty, given the nature of the requirements that could be placed on the TAB in the future. The committee\u2019s recommendations are sensible changes\u2014however, with one caveat. We give notice of our intention to place and table an Amendment Paper\u00A0during the committee of the whole House. The committee heard concerns from submitters regarding potential misuse of TAB\u2019s ability to refuse bets without reasonable cause. Therefore, the committee recommended this ability be removed, and the legislation limits its ability to refuse a bet. It is understood this was to ensure that if the TAB is going to refuse an individual\u2019s bet, it should be on reasonable grounds\u2014not, for example, on the basis that an individual is simply a successful punter. We appreciate the good intent this represents, and we are committed to ensuring adequate consumer protections, as this could have unintended consequences for this important industry\u2014i.e., racing and sports.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000809\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EIt will also restore clause\u00A08 to how it was drafted when the bill was introduced. Thus, this will make TAB New Zealand\u2019s ability to refuse bets subject to regulations made under the consumer protection provisions. The Amendment Paper\u00A0moves the changes at select committee into regulation-making powers, giving us more time and flexibility. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000810\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EThe bill is a positive step towards protecting the future of this industry\u2014something near and dear to the leader of my party, the party we belong to\u2014and it builds on our global reputation as a leading racing nation. Once again, we thank the Governance and Administration Committee, people who made the submissions, and officials for their work. Mr Speaker, thank you. I recommend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022526f7c4a78ea417a80c82bbac05aa153\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000811\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022526f7c4a78ea417a80c82bbac05aa153\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that that motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022 data-id=\u002297ddc6ced50b453a9bb9faef720c7004\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000812\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297ddc6ced50b453a9bb9faef720c7004\u0022\u003ETANGI UTIKERE (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E Kia orana, Mr Speaker, meitaki maata. It\u2019s a pleasure to rise on behalf of the Labour Party and speak in the second reading of this bill. I want to pick up on some of the aspects that the Minister the Hon Shane Jones has just noted in his second reading speech. But before I do, I think it\u2019s important to note that this does continue a suite a work that was initiated under the previous Labour Government. The reason for that is because, as the Minister himself has alluded to, this is an industry that is vital and important to New Zealand\u2019s economy, and the sustainability, protection, and support that this House can offer the industry is very, very important indeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000813\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EI think we all have our own reflections on race meetings that many of us may have been to over the course of our lives, and over the course, perhaps, of the last 12 months, whether it\u2019s a meeting at Wingatui or Addington or whether it\u2019s some of those other meetings like the Golden Kiwi, which, actually, my colleague Lemauga Lydia Sosene and I were able to go this year. There are prime examples within the industry, and that is just one snapshot of what happens, of that $1.9\u00A0billion value-add that actually is contributed to the New Zealand economy from this very important industry. So the Minister is correct when he says that it\u2019s an industry that should not be underestimated, and certainly one that should not be overlooked and neglected, and that\u2019s exactly why Labour in Government sought to kick-start this suite of changes to do exactly that. So it is pleasing to see that the racing Minister has picked that up and has carried that mantle on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000814\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EThe number of individuals that are employed and engaged in this industry\u2014I know the Minister has touched on that, but it does lend itself to the numbers\u2014and not just around fulltime-equivalents but the number of volunteers and others that are associated with this industry, is in excess of 40,000 people domestically. That naturally leans into the fact that we are a global leader when it comes to that sense of racing excellence, whether it be breeding or whether it be those that are involved in ownership, training, or others parts of the system as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000815\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EWe supported this to the Governance and Administration Committee. It went through a number of changes that the Labour Party were very happy to support, and we will be supporting it at second reading this evening. I want to acknowledge the work of the Governance and Administration Committee. My colleague Camilla Belich chairs that committee, and prior to her was Rachel Boyack. Both of those chairs have navigated this bill through the process. I do want to also acknowledge the many submissions that were received and the submitters that took time to work through that, and also the officials that were part of that process as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000816\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EWhat this will do is, basically, strengthen the legislative net of the around $180\u00A0million a year annually that, effectively, goes offshore from New Zealand in the form of online betting for sports and for racing. Ensuring that that legislative net provision is put in place to, basically, capture that $180\u00A0million\u2014I\u2019d suggest that that\u2019s a conservative estimate at the moment\u2014will ensure that that injection of cash or revenue into the industry is maintained domestically to continue to grow the industry and make it strong as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000817\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EOne of the changes that the select committee did pursue was around the nature of the TAB being able to, basically, refuse a bet and the circumstances that exist within which the TAB could do that. Now, what we heard from submitters was quite an element of concern that there doesn\u2019t seem to be any guidance or any framework around the decisions that may be taken by the TAB. Certainly, we heard about a lack of communication in terms of, once that decision had been taken by the TAB, often a punter not knowing the reasons behind that. So the Labour Party very clearly supported the change in the legislation to insert particular criteria upon which the TAB could only refuse a bet, and, subsequent to that, to ensure that there was a provision for that to be communicated to the punter in a reasonable time frame so that they knew, actually, that their bet was not going to be accepted and the reasons for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000818\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EI know that the Minister has already tabled the Amendment Paper\u00A0that has been referred to this evening. The position of the Labour Party\u2014we will no doubt get through that when we get to the committee of the whole House stage\u2014is that there must be legislative provision within this bill for those changes to be made so that the TAB follow through on that and also that they communicate with punters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000819\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003ESo whilst it is pleasing to hear from the Minister in the House this evening that the movement of that from the primary legislation to secondary legislation in the form of regulations is what the Minister and the Government are seeking, the reason for that is to provide the time and the flexibility to do that. So we will have some questions in committee about how that could be achieved to ensure that it does give support and does honour the intention of the select committee who were unanimous around wanting that change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000820\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EThe other disappointing fact that we did deal with is the Government\u2019s position that there was not going to be any movement on the TAB\u2019s current\u2014they currently hold a number of class 4 gaming licences; these are, effectively, your pokie licences. What the Labour Party, supported by the Greens, in our differing view\u2014or comment in the report\u2014clearly indicated is that this was part of a conversation when the former Government was initiating this change. We would have liked to have seen that commitment honoured so that in exchange, effectively, for the TAB receiving a guaranteed legislative net of money\u2014so revenue\u2014they would, effectively, give up their ownership to the class 4 licences. It\u2019s disappointing that that has not flowed through. Yes, we hear that the TAB is a gold standard operator and all of those sorts of things, but this is also about harm minimisation, which is also incorporated in the bill. That is pleasing to see.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EThere are a number of other changes that I\u2019m sure we will refer to at committee stage, but, on this side of the House, we support the industry. As I say, that is why we initiated these changes. It\u2019s pleasing to see that the Government have picked that up and have continued on with that. Along the way, I guess the provision to give the Minister and the Department of Internal Affairs more powers so that they can provide a little bit of incentive around information being forthcoming as well is something that is important. So on this side of the House at second reading, we commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022 data-id=\u00221ec8f93636d848c8b5ec0ccaa9f6a19d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000822\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ec8f93636d848c8b5ec0ccaa9f6a19d\u0022\u003ECELIA WADE-BROWN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E E te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. I rise today on behalf of the Greens to speak in support of the Racing Industry Amendment Bill; a bill that, while on the mechanics of who controls online betting, in truth sits at the intersection of racing, sport, and gambling harm in Aotearoa New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000823\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EIn many ways, this bill is much less about horse racing and much more about gambling in the digital age, and they\u2019re deeply intertwined. Look, for some people, gambling is a fun and social day at the races; I certainly enjoy the Wellington Cup at Trentham\u2014despite having to buy a new hat every year. For others, though, more seriously, it can be an addiction. It\u2019s one that leads to real harm, broken relationships, and financial ruin.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000824\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s be clear: without gambling, the horse racing industry as it currently stands would not be viable. TAB New Zealand contributes over 90\u00A0percent of the annual income for New Zealand\u2019s racing codes\u2014that\u2019s a staggering figure. But it doesn\u2019t really end at the track, because gambling on sports now makes up an increasing share of TAB New Zealand\u2019s revenue. Popular codes: rugby, rugby league, cricket, football, basketball, and tennis. In fact, Tennis New Zealand reported that roughly a third of its annual income comes from TAB New Zealand. Over 30 sporting codes also benefit, which is a sign of how deeply gambling has become woven into the financial lifeblood of sport in Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000825\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003ENow, you can compare that to some other countries. China, despite a black market in gambling, only has lotteries. In India, betting even on cricket is illegal\u2014though no doubt it happens; there is a large underground market. Singapore permits betting on only horse racing and football. I remember my grandmother doing the football pools in England. Japan restricts legal betting to a really interesting mixture: horse, motorboat, and bicycle racing\u2014not between them; separately\u2014and some motorsports. It could be fun. But, look, are we really comfortable with making sport so reliant on gambling, particularly when sports that have got really healthy participation but don\u2019t have those bet-able moments don\u2019t score in the same way? Are they going to be supported as much? Again, this is a question of where our collective taxes are going and whether online gambling is letting us off the hook.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000826\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EIn their submission, New Zealand Football highlighted this very tension. They wrote: \u201CThe Racing Industry Amendment Bill is \u2026 critical for the future of sport in this country, with class four funding [declining], sponsorship opportunities [falling,] and a collapsed domestic broadcast market, sports profits from wagering via the TAB have never been more important.\u201D Mind you, they further noted the lack of transparency in how sports funding is allocated by TAB. I\u2019d ask, particularly: why is every sports allocation confidential?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000827\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EThe bill doesn\u2019t resolve those questions, but we agreed that some of those concerns are worthy of future scrutiny. And while we recognise the financial role that the TAB plays for sport and racing, it\u2019s crucial to acknowledge what\u2019s not being adequately addressed: the global virtual betting market is forecast to quadruple in the next seven years, from US$118\u00A0billion to US$448\u00A0billion. That\u2019s happening while our environment is being degraded and children are going hungry. That\u2019s the context in which we debate this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000828\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EAnother concern is that funding for harm minimisation is quite a small\u00A0percentage of the profits. Reducing and preventing gambling addiction remains woefully inadequate. If we\u2019re going to continue depending on gambling revenue, then we must take far stronger action to mitigate its consequences.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000829\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to reflect briefly on the process. The Governance and Administration Committee received\u2014I thought it was 91 submissions, but maybe the Minister for Racing found another 10. Despite a less-than-ideal consultation period\u2014we\u2019d never have done it at council\u2014running over the December-January holiday, some significant voices were heard, and while the scope of the bill was narrow, there were many important issues raised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000830\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EOne aspect I was pleased to see clarified is that remote gambling, while illegal in most cases, does not criminalise the individual gamblers, so it doesn\u2019t contribute to extra harm for them, but the rules in this bill prohibit any operators other than TAB New Zealand from offering online racing or sports betting to New Zealanders. It\u2019s interesting how, in this whole House, we\u2019re all supporting, in this case, a monopoly. It\u2019s a pragmatic and just approach.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000831\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EI was concerned to learn, to my colleague\u2019s point about class 4 gambling machine licences\u2014I didn\u2019t know until after submissions had closed, because, unfortunately, I don\u2019t think any of the submissions mentioned it\u2014that the previous Government had floated the idea of taking away the class 4 gambling machine licences in exchange for that online betting monopoly. Class 4 gambling is the most damaging form of gambling with pokies outside of casinos. We learnt a lot about that on council; we all have our gambling venues policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000832\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EWhen I was mayor in 2015, we did limit the number of gaming machines, and then in 2021 they did a better job and adopted a no-new-venues policy, a sinking lid. I mean, we\u2019re talking about pokies outside casinos. Some here will remember some debates about establishing a casino in Wellington. Andy Foster will remember the 1990s proposal by Casinos Austria. It never went ahead, partly due to central government placing a moratorium. Good old former mayor Mark Blumsky changed his stance after seeing overseas casinos up close, and he joined some of us in concluding that the social harm outweighed any financial benefit. I\u2019m pleased to see no such proposal has gained traction since.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000833\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EBut coming back to this bill, the select committee process was limited in scope. We didn\u2019t address broader questions around the class 4 venues, direct funding for sports participation, increased animal welfare in racing, or comprehensive protections from gambling addiction. These are all issues that matter deeply, and the Green Party will continue to push for them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000834\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003EI want to close with a statement quoting from TAB New Zealand\u2019s submission itself: \u201C[The Racing Amendment] Bill seeks to catch up with the digital transformation that has occurred this century, and accelerated [over] the last five years, to protect the original intent of [the] TAB\u201D. So, yes, this bill updates the law to reflect a digital reality, but it also leaves many complex ethical, social, and public health questions unresolved. As virtual betting, fantasy sports, and novelty gambling continue to grow, we must remain vigilant. We must ask not just what makes money but what kind of society that money builds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022 data-id=\u0022abf6850db626444481d6ffdbc3e7f32c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000835\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022abf6850db626444481d6ffdbc3e7f32c\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m glad to get a chance to rise and pass some remarks in the final stages of this House\u2019s nocturnal activities. The ACT Party supports this Racing Industry Amendment Bill. The racing industry is a hugely important part of New Zealand\u2019s economy; our employment base, as we\u2019ve heard; and also, in a way, our national pride, as the Minister for Oceans and Fisheries alluded to with New Zealand bloodline successes over the Tasman, and also a shared experience that New Zealanders have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000836\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just like to pass a quick story about my son. A couple of years ago, when he was about five, he came running into the house and said, \u201CMum, mum, can you spot me $20 for the ponies?\u201D That was his grandfather who\u2019d put him up to that. And I thought we all know what that lingo\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000837\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281cdb72923c242099c1c7c4b758dba3e\u0022\u003ETom Rutherford\u003C/span\u003E: Not Lucko!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000838\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca4b00c7c3234e29a0133356975758b1\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, Lucko. We all know what that lingo means; what a punter means. It\u2019s part of the New Zealand culture and it\u2019s an important part of our economy and also it needs to be supported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000839\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EIn this second reading, as reported back from the Governance and Administration Committee, I\u2019ve taken our chance to stand up and say something on this because the ACT Party doesn\u2019t have a permanent member on that committee. So I think the initial comments we\u2019ve had about monopolies and monopolistic power and other things\u2014we\u2019ve got an amendment that I think the committee did a good job highlighting in the process, and I\u2019m glad that the Minister for Racing has tabled an amendment to actually address those concerns. It\u2019s something that I\u2019m looking forward to hearing the Minister address further in the committee stage, because when you\u2019re going to start having section 92s, where you can refuse any bet, you\u2019re going to have to do something about making sure that that\u2019s restrained. So moving it into regulatory powers, I hope that\u2019s the right thing to do. I\u2019m looking forward to hearing the Minister get some questions on that. But I\u2019ll leave it at that. ACT supports this bill. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022d40ea11c170e42cfaebd896dafe36d24\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000840\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d40ea11c170e42cfaebd896dafe36d24\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: This debate is interrupted and is set down for resumption next sitting day. The House is suspended and I will resume the Chair at 9 a.m. tomorrow for the extended sitting. P\u014D atarau, p\u014D m\u0101rie.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000841\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202505149ff7c45980df435198a0260e0446496e000842\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 9.57\u00A0p.m. to 9 a.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002285ee453e86df407ca48482f4b14db55e\u0022\u003EWEDNESDAY, 14 MAY 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022cac43065773446079f8a39983393311a\u0022\u003E(continued on Thursday, 15 May 2025)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002234e27dc5b51949f59d7ec396c739a3cf\u0022\u003EBusiness of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bf561611a32c4b22933971c63ff74b1a\u0022\u003EBusiness of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022c7212ea30a7b4ee69347fcbab2481079\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c7212ea30a7b4ee69347fcbab2481079\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The House is resumed for the extended sitting: Government orders of the day, continued. Members, in accordance with the determination of the Business Committee, the House will debate the first reading of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill, to be followed immediately by the remaining stages of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221142dd0b8a554ed097cb5864393e1699\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221af63ec844604d64b4d32535c2f9d4aa\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00221422e6c3a7ad49889fd865ff2c3795e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221422e6c3a7ad49889fd865ff2c3795e7\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to present a legislative statement on the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e059bf6e05104bbb9f4919bcb76850e0\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave has been sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is none, and leave has been given. The legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e55fe486eb5b42499cd1d6d479dc468d\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to consider the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ET\u0101kiri mai te ata, ka ao, ka ao, ka awatea. E mihi ana ki a koutou kua tau mai nei i runga i te karanga o te r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 mate, haere, haere, haere ki te p\u014D. Ki a t\u0101tou te hunga ora, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ETihei mauri ora! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EKa mihi au ki ng\u0101 mana o \u0113nei whenua, ko Te \u0100tiawa, ko Ng\u0101ti Toa Rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ko te K\u0101wanatanga t\u0113nei e mihi nei ki te kaupapa o te w\u0101. E Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E[Dawn breaks, it lightens, it brightens, it is day. I acknowledge you who have come here in support of the call of the day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ETo the dearly departed, rest in peace, go into the night. To us, the living, greetings to all of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EIt is the breath of life! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the authorities of these lands, Te \u0100tiawa and Ng\u0101ti Toa Rangatira, greetings to all of you. The Government hereby acknowledges the undertaking of the day. Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, thanks and greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EIn March, I was welcomed on to the Ng\u0101p\u016Bwaiwaha Marae in Taumarunui to sign Te Pua o Te Riri Kore, the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua deed of settlement. It was a great occasion, and I\u2019ll never forget it. The sun was shining in Taumarunui and I received a warm greeting. I want to thank the members of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua who have gathered to watch the bill being read for the first time, both here in the gallery and online across the motu. You have shown great strength and determination in coming to this point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EIt was a special occasion. I did make the mistake of deciding to drive myself from Auckland to Taumarunui and I got a ticket on the way back, but that\u2019s by the by. I\u2019ll set that aside. Today marks a significant milestone in the shared history of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua and the Crown, and it\u2019s a testament to the commitment of everybody involved that the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua settlement journey has been a long one, and it\u2019s important today to remember and pay tribute to leaders and the many wh\u0101nau members who passed on before they could see the fruits of their efforts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EOne significant leader was the late chair of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Iwi Trust Eugene Taupene, who passed away in 2020 in the midst of the COVID-19 lockdowns. I personally didn\u2019t have the honour of meeting Eugene, but his rich legacy has guided these negotiations. I want to acknowledge and thank the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua negotiation team for their collective effort\u2014the chair Graham Bell and his team: your wisdom, patience, and determination were critical in achieving this settlement, which truly promotes reconciliation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EOn the Crown\u2019s side, I acknowledge the work of my predecessors, the Hon Christopher Finlayson and the Hon Andrew Little. I particularly want to acknowledge the work of the Chief Crown Negotiator, Dr John Wood. I want to thank my ministerial colleagues, Crown agencies, local authorities, and members of Parliament who are here today to mark this occasion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EToday\u2019s speaking marks another milestone for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua in their settlement journey. Negotiations started in 2017 but Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua have been looking for justice for generations. As Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua negotiations manager Aaron Rice-Edwards said, \u201CWe\u2019ve been an iwi that has been pushed in the shadows but we\u2019ve always been a tough fighting iwi. We never give up. It\u2019s taken us over 160 years to come to this point, to realise that vision of riri kore (no more fighting.)\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe settlement is grounded in the Crown\u2019s acknowledgments and apology for its many breaches of Te Tiriti. I formally delivered the Crown apology to Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua at the signing of the deed of settlement in March. During the ceremony, we all felt the enduring hurt of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. The day was a poignant reminder of the importance of the Crown recognising and acknowledging its wrongdoings. At the ceremony, I also spoke of the statutory pardons for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua t\u012Bpuna and M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu and Te Rangi\u0101tea, which are facilitated through the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua settlement. Alongside the deed, this bill records the Crown\u2019s treatment of Te Rangi\u0101tea and M\u0101tene and the resulting intergenerational stigma and mamae experienced by their uri and by Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. This bill will enact long-overdue statutory pardons for these Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua t\u012Bpuna who were treated so harshly by the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EIn recognising the harm caused, we\u2019ve worked with Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua to build a redress package that addresses these grievances. It provides for the return of 64 sites of deep cultural significance to be transferred as cultural redress, including sites that will be jointly vested with some other groups; a cultural revitalisation fund; and recognition of the innate connection of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua to their rohe, and their obligations as tangata tiaki, through a range of mechanisms such as Te Pou Taia\u2014a joint management committee\u2014relationship redress with many Crown agencies, and financial and commercial redress of $19 million for the right to purchase a number of commercial properties.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe deed of settlement also recognises the importance of Te Pou Tikanga to Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, the innate values that underpin Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2019s aspirations for Treaty settlement, and the vision for a restored relationship with the Crown. It\u2019s my hope that this settlement will mark the beginning of a strengthened relationship between Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua and the Crown, based on mutual trust, cooperation, and partnership.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EMadam Speaker, friends: no settlement can fully compensate for the loss and prejudice that Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua people suffered. Through this settlement, the Crown hopes to restore its honour and alleviate Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2019s deep sense of grievance. Today is about looking forward to the future, while acknowledging the long and difficult journey it\u2019s taken to get there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI believe that the settlement lays the cultural and economic foundations for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua to reestablish their connection with their rohe, strengthen their identity, and provide for a stronger cultural, social, and economic future for generations to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI think there are huge opportunities in the decades to come for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2014particularly the new generation coming through\u2014to thrive and prosper and build on the opportunity that is provided here, and to restore particularly economic prospects. I acknowledge that this is the first reading of three to support the passage of this legislation through the House, and my preference is that the bill should proceed without delay to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee so that we can progress this settlement as soon as we can. I commend this bill to the House. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022615ba1a6cb5846e2bab069b6b62319f6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022615ba1a6cb5846e2bab069b6b62319f6\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u002266bd3d48b20948d08db4c33fae022fac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002266bd3d48b20948d08db4c33fae022fac\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. Ko te mihi tuatahi ki te Atua n\u0101na nei ng\u0101 mea katoa. Ko te mihi tuarua ki te Whare e t\u016B nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, te hunga mate ki te hunga mate. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, te hunga ora ki te hunga ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EKi ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, t\u0113nei te mihi maioha, t\u0113nei te mihi whakam\u0101nawa ki a koutou. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, huihui mai t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. The first greeting is to God to whom all things belong. The second greeting is to the House that stands here, greetings. As the lines of descent connect us all, the deceased come together. As the lines of descent connect us all, the living also come together. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ETo the descendants of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, affectionate and venerated greetings to you. And so, thanks and greetings to you, to all of us gathered here.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EToday marks a significant moment in the House; one of reflection, one of long overdue recognition, and one\u2014hopefully\u2014of hope, as well, for the future. I\u2019m humbled to be able to speak today in the first reading of your bill, the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill, that gives legislative recognition to Te Pua o Te Riri Kore, the deed of settlement between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, signed on 29 March at Ng\u0101p\u016Bwaiwaha Marae in Taumarunui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThis is not the beginning of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua story, nor is it the end. It is a chapter that, I believe, carries a great weight\u2014a chapter built on strength of the generations of your uri wh\u0101nau, hap\u016B, and the leaders who never gave up pursuit of justice, truth, and tino rangatiratanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EYour rohe encompasses the Upper Whanganui River, stretching from the slopes of Mount Ruapehu to the townships of Taumarunui, \u014Cwhango, and National Park as well. In the early 19th\u00A0century, some Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua hap\u016B also settled in Heretaunga in the Hutt Valley, where I hail from now. Their history is one of connection, connection to the whenua, to the waters, to the taonga, and the natural world, as well as one another. But it is also a history that is marked by systemic marginalisation and profound breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EFrom the 1840s onwards, the Crown failed Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua in its most fundamental responsibilities as a Treaty partner. In 1846, when conflict broke out in the Wellington region, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua t\u016Bpuna were targeted and punished not for wrongdoing but just for their presence, for their resistance, and for their identity. Te Rangi\u0101tea was sentenced to life imprisonment and died behind bars. M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu was hanged. Five others were exiled to Australia. These were the actions of a Government not seeking peace; they were acts of domination, they were acts of fear, and they were acts of injustice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThis set in motion decades of Crown aggression in Whanganui, in Taranaki, and in the Rohe P\u014Dtae of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua that stood beside the K\u012Bngitanga in times of war. You stood to protect what was rightfully yours, your culture, and your rangatiratanga, and yet the Crown continued to meet Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua with force, with confiscation, and with legislative trickery. From the 1860s onwards, the Native Land Court used much of this to individualise and alienate Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua land. Much of this was done without any consultation, without informed consent, and with no fair compensation. The Waimarino Block was awarded in hearings where many Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua never knew it was even happening, and was quickly purchased by the Crown, including lands where k\u0101inga once stood. Promises made during the construction of the North Island main trunk railway were not kept.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThis is an opportunity for some of these injustices to be addressed, for what is contained within this bill to enable Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua to move forward. I want to say today that I look with hope for this to be moved ahead, and I wish to acknowledge all of those who have come here today for the passage of the first reading of this bill today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EHe mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, huihui mai t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E[Warm regards to you all. And so, greetings and thanks to you, to all of us assembled here.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022 data-id=\u00223853201138a944a5a448994fafa7a7a6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223853201138a944a5a448994fafa7a7a6\u0022\u003ESTEVE ABEL (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Speaker. Kia ora, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua in the gallery. It is always tough reading, but it particularly strikes me, reading your settlement bill\u2014and I commend the size of it and the scale of it\u2014that, from that first decade since the signing of our founding agreement, Te Tiriti o Waitangi, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua has been mistreated by the Crown, and in every subsequent decade from 1840, when the t\u016Bpuna were wrongly killed and five exiled to Australia, to Tasmania, with the specific instruction that they be treated poorly. \u201CTreat the prisoners harshly\u201D were the instructions of the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EIn the 1850s, H\u0101ua joined the K\u012Bngitanga movement, a movement to defend the lands of iwi M\u0101ori from invasion by the British. They were at Parihaka; they supported that protest. When the Crown invaded, in 1881, they arrested H\u0101ua people and destroyed their property. In the 1860s, they were labelled as \u201Chauhau\u201D and \u201Crebels\u201D by the Crown and have suffered the stigma of that labelling. Then, through to the 1880s, the Northern Main Trunk Railway was put through their lands. The Crown used public works legislation, and when we speak in this House, to this day, about the problem of public works acquisition of M\u0101ori land, here it is; it begins during the colonisation of Aotearoa and the Main Trunk Line. Further, land was acquired for dams, the Taumarunui native township, the Crown establishment of the Tongariro National Park, without consulting H\u0101ua\u2014incident after incident, in decade after decade. It is a means of understanding the unrelenting mistreatment by the Crown of this iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti H\u0101ua are virtually unable to exercise kaitiakitanga over the forests, waterways, the k\u0101inga, and the w\u0101hi tapu of the rohe, and have suffered poverty, poor housing, low educational achievement, and lack of opportunities for social and economic development. This, in turn, has damaged the spiritual and cultural wellbeing of the iwi and led to the dispersal of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua population to urban centres. They have persistently called for the maintenance and recognition of their rangatiratanga, and here today, in this House, it is our purpose, as the representatives of P\u0101remata, this Parliament, to take that step towards restoration of the rangatiratanga of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. I am very glad to be speaking in support of this bill, which takes that step.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EI read the accounts of the court martialling and sentencing of Te Rangi\u0101tea, an elderly and sick and immensely unwell man, who was confined for life, and M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu, to be hanged by the neck until dead, and the grisly and exceptionally harsh behaviour of the Crown. At the time of his hanging, the commanding military officer said it was \u201Ca most sanguinely display of vengeance\u201D\u2014vengeance? This is the nature and the character of the British invasion and theft of M\u0101ori land in our history, in this country, in this place. Here we must stand, in this House, and acknowledge it and make good. I want to say that this bill pardons Te Rangi\u0101tea and M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu for their convictions and recognises their character, their mana, and reputation as well as that of their uri, and we stand in support of that recognition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EWe stand in support of that pardon, and we thank you for your presence here, because you, by your presence here, are in fact going some way to restoring the honour of the Crown. Kia ora koutou. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022 data-id=\u002215389e9467284285a6928cd7f2d021b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002215389e9467284285a6928cd7f2d021b4\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam speaker. A bill that has been a long time coming has been introduced to the House today by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, who has reflected on the experiences he\u2019s had in Taumarunui when the deed of settlement was signed. This is another step on the journey that this Minister is continuing on behalf of the Crown, on behalf of this Government, on behalf of this Parliament, and on behalf of New Zealand, to seek, as Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua has done, a meaningful relationship with the Crown in a peaceful way\u2014a journey that Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua has been on for a long time\u2014and this bill is recognising that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EPutting down the historical context of it, the stories, as we\u2019ve just heard, the extreme martial law\u2014extrajudicial\u2014the way the British and the Crown acted over decades and decades has been put down on paper, and we\u2019re trying to find a way forward as one people in this country, with our own pasts and histories and things to look back at, things to look forward to, but we need to make amends as best we can and seek forgiveness as best we can. That\u2019s what this apology and this settlement is trying to do, on behalf of the Crown, today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EThank you, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, for your patience and your persistence. Thank you to your representatives, who have come here today; I\u2019m sure we will see many more of your iwi coming to this House as this bill progresses through the House. We need to accept what\u2019s happened in the past and make amends as best we can; that\u2019s what this bill is doing. The ACT Party supports this bill. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f81ef2a68b9946d6a9111ba629897546\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f81ef2a68b9946d6a9111ba629897546\u0022\u003EDAVID MacLEOD (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e te M\u0101ngai. Ruapehu Maunga, Whanganui Awa, mai i Te K\u0101hui Maunga ki Tangaroa, ko au te awa, ko te awa ko au. Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua iwi, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua tangata e t\u016B, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EKo Taranaki Maunga e mihi nei, ti\u2019ei mauri ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. Ruapehu mountain, Whanganui river, from the Alpine Clan to the sea, I am the river and the river is me. The people of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, the citizenry of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua that stand here, greetings to you and to us all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EMount Taranaki greets you, it is the breath of life.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EI am pleased to talk, as the chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, in this first reading of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill. This bill gives effect to matters contained in Te Pua o Te Riri Kore, the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua deed of settlement of historical claims. Te Pua o Te Riri Kore was signed earlier this year by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations on 29 March 2025, between the Crown, the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Iwi Trust, and Te Whiringa K\u0101kaho o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. The bill contains provisions related to redress that require legislation for their implementation. Other aspects of the settlement are provided for only in Te Pua o Te Riri Kore, as they do not require legislative authority.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EI believe that anyone living in New Zealand cannot fully understand the place where they reside without the knowledge of its history, and a great place to start is the historical account contained in local Treaty settlements. When reading the historical accounts within this bill, you realise that breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi began immediately after its signing. The historical account illustrates the many occasions where the Crown did not meet its obligations as a Treaty partner. Of all the travesties that are accounted for in this bill, t\u016Bpuna losing their lives is a poignant one for me. One t\u016Bpuna\u2014Te Rangi\u0101tea\u2014was sentenced to confinement for life, and died soon thereafter in prison. Another t\u016Bpuna\u2014M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu\u2014was sentenced to death and was executed by hanging. This all occurred in the 1840s, where there was a conflict over land in Heretaunga between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. During that conflict, a number of t\u016Bpuna were captured, including Te Rangi\u0101tea and M\u0101tene. But other t\u016Bpuna were captured and exiled to Australia as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EAs the case is with other historical accounts contained in Treaty settlements throughout New Zealand, the Crown caused numerous wrongful conflicts. From the late 1850s, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua joined the K\u012Bngitanga movement and supported their whanaunga in fighting the Crown in Taranaki. In 1865, the Crown confiscated land in Taranaki, which included land in which Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua had interests. That same year, the Crown ordered an attack on the K\u012Bngitanga at \u014Chautahi P\u0101. Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua supported the peaceful protest at Parihaka against the Crown\u2019s attempt to enforce land confiscations. In 1881, the Crown invaded Parihaka, arrested Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua people, along with many others, and destroyed their property, along with other great travesties. Since the 1860s, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua have endured the intergenerational stigma of being labelled hauhau and rebels by the Crown. The amount of land that Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua were dispossessed of by the Crown is immense, from land for the North Island main trunk railway to the very large Waimarino block, to lands on the banks of the Whanganui River, or to the Taumarunui native township, all occurring with various wrongdoings by the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EOne cannot change the past, but you can change the future. This settlement contains a redress package that returns culturally significant sites. It has a cultural revitalisation fund, financial redress, and statutory pardons for the two t\u016Bpuna who were tried under martial law and treated with exceptional hardship, who I spoke of earlier. Settlement packages never go far enough in the minds of many, but I do truly hope that this settlement bill provides opportunities for a better future for a very proud iwi, which is Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022 data-id=\u002257049b921acf4ebb8603c774127c09f1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002257049b921acf4ebb8603c774127c09f1\u0022\u003EHANA-RAWHITI MAIPI-CLARKE (Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, otir\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 t\u0101tou. E t\u016B ana ahau ki te tuku i ng\u0101 whakah\u014Dnore ki t\u014D t\u0101tou ariki nui, Ku\u012Bni Nga wai hono i te po, te whare k\u0101hui ariki wh\u0101nui tonu, rire rire hau, pai m\u0101rire. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 mana whenua o Ng\u0101p\u016Bwaiwaha, e Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua ki te rangi, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua ki te nuku, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua e t\u016B ake nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker, indeed greetings to us all. I stand to offer recognition of the honour of our great monarch, Queen Nga wai hono i te po, the wider royal family, peace and goodwill to all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003ETo those with authority over the land of Ng\u0101p\u016Bwaiwaha, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua on high, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua on the land, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua who stand here.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003EI stand here sharing threads of hononga as an uri of what once was called Hauhau and Pai M\u0101rire faith, and also as a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. T\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou m\u014D t\u0101 koutou h\u012Bkoi roa, m\u014D t\u014D koutou hokinga mai ki te \u016Bkaip\u014D. T\u0113n\u0101 rawa koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003E[I hereby acknowledge you for your long journey, and your return to the homeland. Many greetings to you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003ELet us be clear: today is not a celebration of justice delivered. It is a solemn recognition of mamae endured, of rangatiratanga undermined, and of whakapapa forced to conform to a Crown-controlled process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003EWe mihi to Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. We acknowledge your strength, your persistence, and all that your iwi have endured to reach this point. Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua have arrived here not just bearing the weight of raupatu but the burden of being forced to negotiate their identity through a framework not of your making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003EThe settlement signed at Ng\u0101p\u016Bwaiwaha Marae on 29 March represents both the potential of redress and limitations of a system that remains fundamentally colonial. This Treaty settlement process is Crown controlled. We know the Crown sets the rules. These processes are determined by the Crown and often limit discussion, limiting an equitable redress. We know settlements are capped at representing 1 percent of what was lost, and the future generations will come back to 99\u00A0percent. \u201CFull and final\u201D for M\u0101ori, but never final for the Crown, who retain the power to legislate and override, forcing iwi to into Western legal entities\u2014they must form Crown-approved legal structures.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003ESettlements create division: a process that fractures whakapapa, forcing our people into artificial legal entities, and a process that creates division, sometimes, and not unity among whanaunga. Let us not pretend this is justice. This is a political process, not a just one. It is what the Crown is willing to concede, not what Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua are truly owed. Still, within the constraints of this framework, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua have carved a path forward. The statutory pardons for M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu and Te Rangi\u0101tea are powerful. They restore the mana of two rangatira wrongly convicted for defending their people. These were not just isolated acts of injustice. They were calculated attacks on an iwi defending its whenua, its oranga, and its tino rangatiratanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003EThe return of 64 culturally significant sites, including Makakote P\u0101, Ng\u0101 Huinga, Whakapapa Island, and the guardianship of Hikurangi Maunga alongside Maniapoto\u2014these are more than land parcels. They are reciprocities of identity, whakapapa, and wairua. The $6 million cultural revitalisation fund and $20.4 million in financial redress, while a fraction of what was lost, may support Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua in rebuilding the economic and cultural foundations endured by colonisation. The creation of Te T\u0101tairango o Te Karauna provides a platform, though imperfect, for ongoing engagement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003EBut let us be clear: partnership was promised in 1840. It should not require a settlement to begin. This is not an end; this is a beginning, but one born not from justice but compromise. Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua iwi deserve more than an apology. They deserve full rangatiratanga. The Crown must now go beyond symbolic acts. It must stop weaponising legal processes and start honouring the full process and promise of Te Tiriti.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti H\u0101ua, uri of warriors and orators, your mokopuna will stand taller because of what you have reclaimed. Ka tika a muri, ka tika a mua\u2014when we put things right, when we put the past right, we clear a path for the future. Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori stands in support of this bill in its full entirety. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003EM\u0101 te tika, m\u0101 te pono ka t\u016B te mana motuhake. T\u0113n\u0101 rawa koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003E[Through truth and integrity will self-determination be realised. Many greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022 data-id=\u00229245feaba25d4b4f870037798635c523\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229245feaba25d4b4f870037798635c523\u0022\u003ESUZE REDMAYNE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ko Ruapehu te maunga, ko Turakina te awa, n\u014D Rangit\u012Bkei ahau. Ko Dossor Redmayne t\u014Dku w\u2019\u0101nau, ko Suze t\u014Dku ingoa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Haere mai ki te Whare P\u0101remata. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003E[Greetings to you all. Ruapehu is my ancestral mountain, Turakina is my river, I am from Rangit\u012Bkei. My family is Dossor Redmayne, Suze is my name. Greetings and thanks to you all. Welcome to Parliament House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EToday we celebrate Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. One of the tangata whenua tribes of Te K\u0101hui Maunga, Ki Tangaroa\u2014the mountains to the sea. The work to reach this day, the first reading of the Nati H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill, spans decades, with resilience, persistence, and aroha passed down through your kaum\u0101tua, your negotiators, and your wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EThere are many to acknowledge and thank: Graham \u201CTinka\u201D Bell, chair of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Iwi Trust, and vice chair Lois Tutemahurangi, who couldn\u2019t be here today due to the recent passing of her brother Keith Rama\u2014ng\u0101 mihi; Brett Anderson, Aaron Rice-Edwards, Joey Allen, Louise Wahapa, Piki Taiaroa-Whatarangi. Ng\u0101 mihi to all those trustees past, too, who have played a significant role: Jim Anderson, Rum\u0101tiki Henry, Teresa Hall, and others. And finally, to those who are no longer with us, but on whose giant shoulders this mahi started: Eugene Topine, Hikaia and Celia Amohia, Titi Tihu, Archie Taiaroa, Kevin and Flo Amohia, Ngaire Amohia Etana\u2014just to name a few.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge you all, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua: your strength, your dignity, and your unwavering pursuit of justice. For generations, your people have carried the weight of the Crown\u2019s actions. Today, the Crown acknowledges and apologises for its breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. You suffered extensive harm as a result of unjust and unlawful Crown actions. This included warfare, the unlawful deaths of your t\u016Bpuna, the confiscation and wrongful purchase of lands, and the erosion of your tribal structures and leadership. These actions tore at the fabric of your iwi. They caused deep intergenerational trauma and enduring loss of t\u016Bpuna, of land, and of your reo.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EToday, the Crown seeks not to erase history but to recognise it, to apologise for it, and to look to a shared future. The settlement includes both financial and cultural redress as a means of restoring the Crown\u2019s recognition of the mana of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua and enabling a new era of prosperity and self-determination. It recognises Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2019s deep and enduring connection to your whenua, your awa, and your taonga tuku iho. But more than redress itself, this is a foundation. It\u2019s a platform from which Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua can continue to grow on your own terms, in line with your aspirations and grounded in your tikanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003ETinka, I am truly grateful for having got to know you over the last couple of years. Your determination and commitment is infectious; your k\u014Drero wise and inspiring. During our most recent conversation last week, while you were sitting on the side of the hill in a bush, you talked about Minister Goldsmith\u2019s commitment to this process. You were gracious and grateful. He turned up and fronted up, you said. As did you, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u201496.6 percent of your members agreed to the settlement package and post-settlement arrangements. I know you\u2019re excited about the future, Tinka; excited about creating a powerful and revered region for all wh\u0101nau, for M\u0101ori and non-M\u0101ori. I could feel your energy for the name of your post-settlement governance entity, what it symbolises, and the mana it carries, which lives in your heart and the hearts of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003ETe Whiringa K\u0101kaho o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua takes inspiration for its name from the whakatauk\u012B \u201CWhiria ng\u0101 k\u0101kaho, e kore e w\u2019ati\u201D\u2014\u201CWeave together the k\u0101kaho reeds, they become unbreakable\u201D. Your name emphasises strength and unity. Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, you knew before the Crown acknowledged it: unity is a key driver of any collective endeavour. Te Whiringa K\u0101kaho o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua reflects and celebrates this kaupapa. To the people of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, thank you. Thank you for your generosity in engaging in this process. Thank you for holding to your mana and for walking a path that was never easy but always principled.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257c0c650-e6a0-4475-b66d-5281ede8b1e3\u0022\u003EAs we look ahead, may this settlement be a stepping stone to renewed prosperity, cultural strength, and enduring rangatiratanga for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0dc2f3690294f68be53de7cc9997f1f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0dc2f3690294f68be53de7cc9997f1f\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Speaker. Ki a koutou, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, kua tae mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101, e mihi ana ki a koutou. E mihi ana ki a koutou i whakarangatira i a m\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101. Rawe. Rawe ki te kite i a koutou, ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua, ng\u0101 rangatira. E m\u014Dhio m\u0101tou ki \u0101 koutou mahi ki te k\u014Dkiri i t\u0113nei kaupapa. E mihi ana ki a koutou. Waim\u0101rie ana m\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101 ki te kite i a koutou. N\u014D reira t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. To you, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, who have come here at this time, I acknowledge you. I thank you who have honoured us at this time. Great. It is great to see you, the elders, the leaders. We aware of your work to progress this endeavour. I acknowledge you. We are fortunate at this time to see you. And so, I hereby greet all of you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAfter that mihi, Tinka, I\u2019m a bit worried about you and your National Party affiliations\u2014a bit too close there, I thought! I thought you were with us there for a few years, when you were with Te Puni K\u014Dkiri, but clearly you\u2019ve changed sides, as we have to in this changing world. But I want to mihi to our last MP who put that k\u014Drero out there, because that\u2019s what it\u2019s all about: getting to work with Governments, whoever they are. So ng\u0101 mihi nui ki a koe, Tinka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EYou know, sometimes I feel I\u2019m part of you, too, you know? As you know, I\u2019ve got a long relationship with Taumarunui. That bloody Archie Taiaroa used to drive me crazy. He used to tell me I was an urbanite who was lost and needed to find my way home, and my mother used to tell him to shush up. And she used to tell Shane Jones to shush up too, because he was the chairman of the fisheries commission. We remember Archie Taiaroa well, don\u2019t we, Shane? He was such a rangatira in terms of this kaupapa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EArchie sort of set the base, didn\u2019t he? I think of him sometimes when I\u2019m back in Taumarunui with my Auntie Chrissy, who always has pakangas with you too! She tells you she should be running the tribe and running Ng\u0101ti Maniapoto, and then can\u2019t get on the Ng\u0101ti Maniapoto board, you know?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI feel so much a part of Taumarunui, given my grandparents had a farm just outside of Taumarunui, at Matiere, and I played rugby down there. I should have made the King Country team, I thought. So I look at you today and I mihi to you and I acknowledge all the people. I think about all the people from that time\u2014our people who know how to work with Governments. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo I just want to join in all the praise. I was going to get a bit negative\u2014I feel in a bit of a negative sort of space\u2014but I watched our Minister this morning, Minister Goldsmith. You know, it\u2019s a funny time for us in te ao M\u0101ori, as we see what\u2019s happening around us, and I\u2019ll get on to that a bit later in the day\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f66b5742209e4196bb2473d18fc65998\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4c039e2fd2e41e3ad580660acaa439f\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ve got Shane Jones, as you know\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d06f10062fe43fbb89b2b0503f17413\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Kia \u016B ki te kaupapa, e kara. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[Stay on topic, my friend.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de1dc3542b9247668cd2c7fb28c54cd0\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u201C\u016A ki te kaupapa\u201D [\u201CStay on topic\u201D]\u2014that suits Shane Jones right now. I want to get on to his kaupapa at the tribunal, but I might save it for another time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EBut this is a time to celebrate. It\u2019s time to celebrate, and sometimes we have to say that, well, we got here. But we had some challenges from Ng\u0101ti Ranginui about our rangatahi\u2014you know, \u201CWho\u2019s going to inspire us?\u201D, they said, and I want to get on to that. But I think that\u2019s one of the challenges for the tribe, particularly in Taumarunui, because you\u2019re sort of in the middle of nowhere, right\u2014I mean, Taumarunui is not exactly the most exciting town in Aotearoa. So how do we pass on the benefits of this settlement and inspire some of the rangatahi around Taumarunui, so that when they go to Auckland, they are representing Taumarunui? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EYou know, we hear all the k\u014Drero from these Ng\u0101puhi that \u201COh, I\u2019m from Ng\u0101puhi.\u201D, or we might hear \u201CI\u2019m from Ng\u0101ti Porou.\u201D, but we don\u2019t have enough of them talking about the tribe. But they should do, given the proud legacy that\u2019s been put in place by Archie; by you, Tinka; and by you, kaum\u0101tua. You want them to carry the kaupapa all the time. You want them to say\u2014you know, some of us can\u2019t even say the tribe\u2019s name well enough, you know? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EWe need to teach our rangatahi all of these sorts of things, because that\u2019s part of being part of a settlement, isn\u2019t it? It\u2019s not just about the p\u016Btea; it\u2019s carrying the name, it\u2019s carrying the iwi, it\u2019s carrying the t\u012Bpuna, and I think these are the lessons from these settlements. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ELong ago, we gave up on seeing justice in terms of the p\u016Btea, because we all know in the House that the p\u016Btea can never represent the justice. But the apology does mean something. The apology does mean something, and it gives us a chance to think, \u201CWell, where to now?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ESo I say today, and I mihi to you all and to the House for this acknowledgment. I look forward to the next steps in terms of this settlement and where you go as a tribe in terms of your inspiration with rangatahi, and, again, to you, Tinka\u2014even though you\u2019ve changed sides\u2014mihi nui ki a koe, koutou katoa i tae mai nei, t\u0113nei te mihi i a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[Big congratulations to you, to all of you who are in attendance. This is my greeting to you, greetings to you all. Thank you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022 data-id=\u00223fecb716e1b74b52a66ceb98232ef862\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223fecb716e1b74b52a66ceb98232ef862\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Ko Ruapehu te maunga, ko W\u2019anganui te awa, n\u014D W\u2019anganui ahau. Ko Carl Bates taku ingoa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E[Greetings and thanks to you all. Ruapehu is my ancestral mountain, W\u2019anganui is my ancestral river, I am from W\u2019anganui. My name is Carl Bates. Greetings and thanks to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003EWelcome, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, to te Whare P\u0101remata. Welcome to your House, to our House. Welcome to this very special day in your journey. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003ESuze Redmayne, my colleague and friend, spoke to me after the deed of settlement was signed on 29\u00A0March earlier this year, and spoke to me about how significantly and how profoundly the morning had touched her and the k\u014Drero and the stories and the engagement she had that morning. Willie has just spoken\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb23ad970c4a441883e14eb1b8dd6bee\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Willie Jackson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9e0bb64b1d142729b8947526177dec1\u0022\u003ECARL BATES\u003C/span\u003E: Willie Jackson has spoken about who would like to go to some rohe around this country. Madam Speaker, I\u2019m sure I can speak for you, as a member of Parliament in that area; my colleague Suze Redmayne; and, of course, myself as the member of Parliament, the mema P\u0101remata, for Whanganui\u2014that we all love coming to Taumarunui to engage with you and see you. I\u2019m looking forward in my future role\u2014as the rohe that I am responsible for expands a little, maybe after the next election\u2014to spending a little bit more time engaging and getting to know you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003ESuze spoke about the significance of the statutory pardons for the t\u016Bpuna Te Rangi\u0101tea and M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu when she spoke to me after the signing of the deed of settlement. It was interesting that just late last year, I\u2019d been reading a book, because the Prime Minister, in his wisdom, had added me on to the Justice Committee. I\u2019m an accountant, not a lawyer. I\u2019m the better of the two professions. I know how to look after the p\u016Btea. But I thought I\u2019d better learn a little bit more about the journey that New Zealand has been on, and I read a book, Fragile Foundations: The Application of English Criminal Law to Crimes Committed in New Zealand between 1826 and 1907. It spoke about the story of your t\u016Bpuna as one of many stories like theirs across the country, and the way in which the application of British law in New Zealand had been challenged and how we had these fragile foundations on which justice in New Zealand was built.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003EWhen I joined this House and had my maiden speech, I spoke about the story of Taranaki Maunga and its journey down the Whanganui awa, up the coast, ultimately settling to where it is now, and the tears that it left behind that create the awa that we all live by and are part of. When I shared that story and shared how I\u2019d learnt that at primary school, I never thought in that moment that I\u2019d be referencing that story so many times in such a short period of time I\u2019ve had the privilege and the honour of standing in this House. I hope that through each settlement that I\u2019ve had the privilege of speaking on as a member for the rohe that we all love and is close to our hearts\u2014that each settlement that goes through this House breathes more life into our awa and enables all people who live by our river, by our awa, to look forward to what, in this case, the post-settlement entity is going to provide as an opportunity for your people. I look forward, in my role, to working with you and being part of that journey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003EToday is a special day, and there are members who I think are probably more qualified than me to k\u014Drero this morning who are going to be part of the journey as this bill is taken through the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. But it really is a recognition, I think, from this side of the House that we have our local members of Parliament that represent the rohe in which these settlements relate speak on the bill, and hopefully be part of a positive journey where we can have a few less tears go down our awa in the years to come. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022 data-id=\u0022f4441d17818842d984651f2f500270e8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f4441d17818842d984651f2f500270e8\u0022\u003ERt Hon ADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. Otir\u0101 e t\u016B tautoko ana ahau i te mihi ka tukuna atu e Te \u0100tiawa ki a koutou, ki a t\u0101tou, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, i t\u0113nei ata. N\u014D reira nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. Indeed, I stand in support of the greetings offered to you, to us, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, by Te \u0100tiawa this morning. And so, welcome, welcome, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ERightfully so, today, Hansard will record the names Rangi\u0101tea and M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu in the records of today\u2019s Hansard. I say that because I can\u2019t imagine how difficult it has been. Ng\u0101 uri of these two kaum\u0101tua have had to carry the burden of what happened to their t\u016Bpuna, and it\u2019s right that this House acknowledges the incidents that happened under martial law in Aotearoa. It should never have happened. It should never happen again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge all of the uri of these rangatira for carrying that burden. I won\u2019t say the word, but they were labelled. It wasn\u2019t right that they should be given labels, and they paid the ultimate price for standing up for their rights in our country. There have been many mentions of those who\u2019ve been involved. I won\u2019t name all of them, but I can\u2019t help but think that uncle Archie Taiaroa will be happy today. I want to acknowledge everyone that has carried this kaupapa to this day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI also want to encourage all of the members of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua to submit to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. We heard from the chair, David MacLeod. I am absolutely certain that he will manage the process of getting this bill through the committee\u2014every part of it\u2014in a way that, hopefully, we see the second reading before the end of the year. I would so enjoy if we were able to pass this bill before Christmas, and it is possible. I\u2019m saying to all other parties that we in the Labour Party will work collaboratively to make sure that that happens.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EI want to also just highlight a recent report from the Controller and Auditor-General. The name of the report is How public organisations are fulfilling Treaty settlements. I encourage the leadership of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua to have a read. It\u2019s my sincere hope that the issues that have been raised in that report will not be a burden on Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. If you read the report, you will see how the implementation of Treaty settlements have been impacted basically by the inability of public organisations to be able to deliver on the settlement. I\u2019m not speaking out of turn here. It\u2019s well documented that there are agreements that have come through this House that still have not yet been delivered on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003ESo there are a lot of mechanisms within this Treaty settlement that we\u2019re about to finish the first reading on. I encourage Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua to have a look at it and to be vocal: tell the Government, tell the Crown\u2014no matter who it is\u2014that your expectation of delivering what\u2019s in the settlement actually gets delivered\u2014because no amount of apology will ever satisfy any of us if we don\u2019t deliver on what we say we\u2019re going to\u2014so that this Parliament never ever impacts on Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua in the way that it has that\u2019s recognised within the settlement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira ki a koutou, ko te t\u016Bmanako kia uhia mai e te Runga Rawa \u0101na manaakitanga ki runga ki a koutou, o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. T\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 t\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a434482b-7ac1-4862-9ce7-13e63289dee3\u0022\u003E[And so, to you, the hope is that the Most High covers you, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, with his care. Greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u00227fddb53c5a064082b00382105b243135\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227fddb53c5a064082b00382105b243135\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Oceans and Fisheries):\u003C/span\u003E E kara, e Atawhai, maranga wairua mai. T\u0113nei an\u014D te rangi i whakaritea, ka kitea kua oti te whakaea, kua oti te whakatutuki ng\u0101 t\u016Bmanako i wah\u0101 mai e koe i \u014D h\u012Bkoinga maha ki Te \u016Apoko-o-te-ika. T\u0113nei an\u014D hoki te r\u0101 i whakaritea hei whakamihi m\u0101 te motu, hei whakamihi m\u0101 te Whare P\u0101remata ki te ngoi, ki te werawera, ki te kaha, ki ng\u0101 roimata i tukua kia taea ai e t\u014D iwi, e t\u014D hanga a Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua te whakatutuki i t\u0101 r\u0101tou i ohia ai i te w\u0101 i a koe e matomato tonu ana. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira e te iwi, koutou kua tat\u016B mai ki Te \u016Apoko-o-te-ika, t\u0113nei te Whare e t\u016B nei a m\u0101tou, he pononga n\u0101 koutou. Ko te kawa o t\u0113nei w\u0101hi, ka pau te toru tau kei a koutou te rangatiratanga me aha w\u0113nei tuari, w\u0113nei pononga w\u0101 koutou. N\u0101 reira ko t\u0101 m\u0101tou he tautoko i roto i te p\u0101nuitanga o t\u0113nei pire i t\u0113nei r\u0101. Te ngako o roto, ng\u0101 tikanga kua whakap\u016Bmautia ki te kapu o te pepa, me te wahanga i oti i t\u014D koutou w\u0101 te whakaea. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EHe w\u0101 an\u014D e haere ake nei, m\u0101 \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D an\u014D \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D e k\u014Drero. M\u0101ku, me t\u014Dku rangatira, a Winitana, me t\u014D m\u0101tou p\u0101ti e k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0113nei w\u0101 tonu. Engari tukua m\u0101ku an\u014D t\u0113tahi kupu e whakatakoto ki t\u014D koutou aroaro: ko te tau 1976, ahau te kaik\u014Drero i te Manu K\u014Drero i t\u014D m\u0101tou kura, i T\u012Bpene. Ka meinga m\u0101tou kia haere ake ki Taumarunui. K\u0101tahi te w\u0101hi anuanu ko t\u0113n\u0101, koia ko Taumarunui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EEngari tokomaha noa atu \u014D m\u0101tou m\u0101tua o Ng\u0101puhi i heke ki reira, mahi puhi ai. Ko taku taokete t\u0113tahi, a Jim Reihana me tana wahine, te kaihana a Archie. N\u014D r\u0101ua te whare i te taha tonu o te marae i te pokap\u016B o te t\u0101one, i Taumarunui. I reira m\u0101tou, ng\u0101 poi o T\u012Bpene, koia te w\u0101 i t\u016Btaki ai ahau ki a Tiki P\u0101reti r\u0101ua ko Titi Tehu. M\u0113n\u0101 \u014D koutou kaum\u0101tua, n\u0101na m\u0101tou ng\u0101 poi o T\u012Bpene i whakatau. Ko te w\u0101 t\u0113r\u0101 i \u0101kona mat\u0101tingia ai m\u0101tou ki te h\u012Btor\u012Ba i t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101hi, me te whakapapa o t\u0113r\u0101 w\u0101hi ahakoa 17 noa iho ng\u0101 tau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira t\u0113nei t\u016Bnga \u014Dku he tuohu me te mahara ake ki \u014D koutou m\u0101tua. N\u0101 reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[My friend, Atawhai, rise in spirit. This is the day that was determined to see the conclusion of the resolution and achievement of the hopes that you carried on your many journeys to Wellington. This is also the day that was decided on for the nation and Parliament House to acknowledge the energy, the sweat, the strength, and the tears that were expended so that your iwi, your people of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, would be able to accomplish what they desired while you were still with us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAnd so, to the iwi, you who have arrived in Wellington, to this House of ours that stands here, it is your servant. The protocol of this place is that once three years are up, you then have the authority to decide what these servants, these attendants of yours are to do. And so, what we are doing is supporting the reading of this bill today. The essence of it, the procedures that have been enshrined on the surface of the paper, and the burden whose realisation was brought to completion in your time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAt a future time, it will be up to tomorrow to speak for tomorrow. It is up to myself and my leader, Winston, and our party to speak of this time. However, allow me to offer one more word before you: it was the year 1976, I was the speaker in our school, in St Stephen\u2019s, in the Manu K\u014Drero speech competition. We were then made to go to Taumarunui. What a cold place that was, Taumarunui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EHowever, many of our parents from Ng\u0101puhi moved there to work in the forestry. My brother-in-law was one, Jim Reihana, and his wife, Archie\u2019s cousin. The house right beside the marae in the middle of the town, Taumarunui, was theirs. If they are your elders, they were the ones that welcomed us, the St Stephen\u2019s boys. That was the time at which we started to be taught the history of that place, the genealogy of that place, even though we were only 17 years old. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAnd so, this speech of mine is a bowing of the head in remembrance of your forebears. And so, greetings to you, indeed to all of us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ENaturally, we stand and speak in support of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill. As I said in our M\u0101ori language, we acknowledge the generations that have gone on, and one of them I have already done in an earlier speech in my career: read into the record the tohunga of this broad area of Ruapehu, Whanganui, Taumarunui, \u0101 Titi Tihu, and also his fellow traveller, the descendant of the trader Barrett, known on the marae up at that area and a feature of the Kaitupeka Marae of the 1970s: Tiki Parete.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ENow the task lies with those who will carry the settlement forward, and it\u2019s a timely reminder how onerous, from time to time, that responsibility will be. It\u2019s important that all of us take note of the recent report of the audit department that reminds each Government that these are ongoing obligations. The focus of giving effect to the Treaty will gather momentum when seen in the context of what did the Crown commit itself to do in relation to individual, specific settlements. I have no doubt in my mind, as further refinements go forward with other work pertaining to the broader Treaty debate, this is an area that will remain of high importance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ESo, to the broader wh\u0101nau of Archie Taiaroa, to the current leaders, to the community of Taumarunui: a place to shelter\u2014I hope that this settlement represents a piringa, a place to shelter, in times of adversity in the future. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00223b3dd6148d564649ba9fd9959b654c3d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223b3dd6148d564649ba9fd9959b654c3d\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is, That the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill be considered by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EBill referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022da4a1d8836bc4626bd3227b30968c231\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da4a1d8836bc4626bd3227b30968c231\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Permission has been granted for a waiata, and we\u2019d love to hear your voices, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EWaiata\u2014\u201CKoia Nei\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u00226961895822cf492990f978605a2db088\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226961895822cf492990f978605a2db088\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ll just wait until people leave the gallery\u2014and perhaps other people are making their way in\u2014before we take the next call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou e te Whare. E mihi kau ana ki a koutou i tau mai i t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 r\u0101. Ko te \u0101hua nei ko te rahinga o koutou i tae mai. Heoi an\u014D e taka ana te w\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113nei te p\u0101nuitanga tuarua. Ka mutu t\u0113r\u0101 ko te committee of the Whole House. Ka mutu t\u0113r\u0101 ko te p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru. K\u0101re au e hiahia kia noho roa koutou, n\u014D reira me t\u012Bmata t\u0101tou in\u0101ianei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai ki t\u014D Whare. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E[Greetings to the House. I greet you who have come here this particular day. It appears that most of you have arrived. Anyway, time is passing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EThis is the second reading. Upon its conclusion, it will be the committee of the whole House. Once that is concluded, it will be the third reading. I do not want you to be sitting for too long, so we should begin now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003EAnd so, welcome, welcome, welcome to your House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022883ee9852d084558b7292145b087eb8e\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022336606f85b4b49f7bf76ff743862de5e\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00221b1d3742690d4962b4b182f00dca6e82\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221b1d3742690d4962b4b182f00dca6e82\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to present a legislative statement on the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5f1ff92b2804bdc87c81f6da7ca47eb\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave has been sought for that course of action. Is there any objection? There is none. That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263bf32323e6848158d0f53274b04286e\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ETihei mauri ora! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ETe Whare e t\u016B nei, e te Whare Miere, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Te papa i waho nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Te mana whenua o t\u0113nei rohe, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Te hunga mate, haere, haere, haere. Haere ki te whenua o ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna. Te hunga ora, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EKa mihi ki ng\u0101 maunga k\u014Drero, ki ng\u0101 awa rangatira, ki te whenua taurikura o ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, e ng\u0101 k\u0101wai rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E[The breath of life! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe House that stands here, the Beehive, greetings. The land outside, greetings. The mandated authority of this region, greetings. The dearly departed, farewell, farewell, farewell. Farewell to the land of the ancestors. To the living, greetings to you, to all of us. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the storied mountains, the noble rivers, the bountiful land of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, the lines of noble descent, greetings to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThis bill gives effect to the deed of settlement signed by Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui and the Crown in June 2012, which settles all the historical Treaty settlement claims of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. It is a privilege to welcome everybody here this morning to Parliament to host you for the final readings of the bill, and it was a wonderful opportunity to meet earlier and to have some kai together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui is an iwi based in the Tauranga region, one of three Tauranga Moana Iwi alongside Ng\u0101ti P\u016Bkenga, and Ng\u0101i Te Rangi. Their area of interest extends from Ng\u0101 Kuri o Wai Whare, north of Tauranga, inland of the summit of Mount Te Aroha, extending south-east along the Kaimai range to P\u016Bwhenua and reaching south into the Mangorewa River.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui are hap\u016B-centric and this is the source of great pride to them. The primary hap\u016B affiliated with Ng\u0101ti Ranginui are Pirir\u0101kau, Ng\u0101ti Taka, Wairoa hap\u016B, Ng\u0101ti Hangarau, Ng\u0101i Tamar\u0101waho, Ng\u0101i Te Ahi, Ng\u0101ti Ruahine, and Ng\u0101ti Te Wai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EAccording to the 2023 census, 9,967 people, precisely, affiliate to Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and their historical claims relate to the war and raupatu in Tauranga, Crown purchasing of the Te Puna-Katikati blocks, and the operation and impact of the native land laws and land loss. The quantum in the financial commercial redress is $38 million.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI draw members\u2019 attention to the Order Paper and note that the third reading of the bill is scheduled to come next, when we\u2019ll speak more about the hap\u016B and the significance of the settlement. In this reading, I just want to focus on the relevant procedural matters enabling the bill today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe bill had been part of an omnibus bill, along with the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective Redress Bill, which was introduced into Parliament in November 2015 and read a first time in April 2016. In 2016, the omnibus bill was considered by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, which included public submissions. The committee received and considered seven written submissions and three supplementary submissions and reported back, but Parliament did not consider it because Ng\u0101ti Ranginui asked for the progress of the bill to be paused to enable them to address overlapping claims with the Hauraki iwi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EIn late 2022, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui approached the Crown about finalising their Treaty settlement as soon as possible. This proposal was discussed with the other two Tauranga Moana Iwi who are party to the omnibus bill\u2014Ng\u0101i Te Rangi and Ng\u0101ti P\u016Bkenga\u2014and they agreed that the omnibus bill could be divided so that Ng\u0101ti Ranginui could proceed while the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective Redress Bill continues to be held for a second reading. The previous Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, Andrew Little, agreed to propose the division of the omnibus bill to Cabinet so that Ng\u0101ti Ranginui could move to the second and third readings and on to enactment, and in September\u00A02023, Cabinet agreed to this. I\u2019m pleased to be able to pick up this work and to progress this bill today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ETwo Amendment Papers were drafted by the Parliamentary Counsel Office, one to divide the omnibus bill and the other to make minor technical changes required to reflect changes that have occurred since then. I want to thank the Parliamentary Counsel Office for doing that. On 21\u00A0March\u00A02024, I moved a motion in the House to discharge the omnibus bill from the second reading and to refer it to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to consider Amendment Papers. The M\u0101ori Affairs committee has considered those Amendment Papers and reported the omnibus bill back to Parliament as two separate bills: Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective Redress Bill and Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill. The committee has agreed to their recommendations and updates technical terms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe most substantial change over time is the relationship redress in cultural and heritage sector agencies. Up to 2016, the Crown offered a taonga t\u016Bturu protocol which was solely with the Ministry of Culture and Heritage. In 2017, a collective relationship agreement, Whakaaetanga Tiaki Taonga, was developed to provide a relationship with the wider range of cultural agencies, and the Amendment Paper makes these changes. I thank the committee for its consideration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Ranginui has worked tirelessly with my officials to bring the settlement to this point. I look forward to speaking about the particulars and the details of the bill in the third reading speech coming up soon. So, Mr Speaker, I commend this bill to the House. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5f8ae6b403a44c8b2f119b521b5e217\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5f8ae6b403a44c8b2f119b521b5e217\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Kua t\u0101ngia t\u0113nei tau\u0101k\u012B \u0101-ture i raro i te mana o te Whare, \u0101, ka kitea ki te paetukutuku a te P\u0101remata. Ko te p\u0101tai kia whakaaetia te m\u014Dtini. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E[This legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be seen on the Parliament website. The question is that the motion be agreed to.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u002213108d28b7464f84a5c9724ab48e8170\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002213108d28b7464f84a5c9724ab48e8170\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Ko te mihi tuatahi ki te Atua n\u0101na nei ng\u0101 mea katoa. Ko te mihi tuarua ki te Whare e t\u016B nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, te hunga mate ki te hunga mate. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, te hunga ora ki te hunga ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou o te iwi, ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. He mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa i t\u0113nei r\u0101 whakahirahira. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, huihui mai t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E[The first acknowledgment is to God, to whom all things belong. The second acknowledgment is to the House that stands here, greetings. As the lines of descent connect us all, the deceased come together. As the lines of descent connect us all, the living also come together. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EI hereby greet you of the people, the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. A warm greeting to you all on this important day. And so, greetings and thanks to you, and all of us assembled here.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EI stand today to speak on the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill, a bill that marks both an end and also a beginning. It marks the end of a long and painful chapter in a history that we need to acknowledge, and that is part of what we are doing today. Also, I would like to think, and I hope, that it\u2019s a beginning in a new relationship between the Crown and Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui\u2014one grounded in acknowledgment, one grounded in redress, and also one grounded in a hope for a better future for both parties to this agreement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThe suffering endured by Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui was not incidental. It was not accidental. It was systemic, it was targeted, and it was unjust. This is reflected accurately in the Waitangi Tribunal\u2019s report, Te Raupatu o Tauranga Moana. It lays out clearly the devastating impact of the Crown\u2019s actions. Actions that stripped over 290,000 acres of land from hap\u016B, undermined hap\u016B authority, and led to generations of marginalisation. These breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, especially article 2, which guaranteed tino rangatiratanga, were profound. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThe raupatu of Tauranga Moana followed the Crown\u2019s aggressive military campaign. It included the infamous battles of Gate P\u0101 and Te Ranga. Under the shadow of the Crown\u2019s New Zealand Settlements Act 1863, the Crown labelled the people of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui as \u201Crebels\u201D, as it tried to justify the seizure of their whenua. But history shows us clearly that these were not the actions of what the Crown called \u201Crebels\u201D. These were the actions of a people defending their homes, their whakapapa, and their sovereignty. In this bill, the Crown formally apologises for those actions. That apology is not symbolic; it is a necessary act of recognition, and without that acknowledgment, there can be no hope of reconciliation. Without truth, there can be no justice, and this bill reaffirms both.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ELabour has long upheld Te Tiriti o Waitangi as the foundation of our land, our country. Not just historically, but as a living, breathing document. It is a covenant. Te Tiriti speaks not just to the rights of M\u0101ori but also to those responsibilities of the Crown. Those responsibilities were clearly broken for Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and this bill seeks to redress some form of justice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EIn doing so, we must recognise the context from which it has emerged. Originally, part of the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective Redress and Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill, this settlement was designed to address the shared and overlapping interests of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, Ng\u0101i Te Rangi, and Ng\u0101ti P\u016Bkenga through collective redress. But as the process evolved, it became clear that unity did not equate to uniformity, as often is the case with the Treaty settlements process. Each iwi and hap\u016B has its own k\u014Drero, its own priorities, and its own pace. The decision to divide the omnibus bill, made by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee after careful consideration, allowed the bill to proceed independently, reflecting the readiness and the mandate of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui to move forward. This was the right decision. No settlement should be delayed because of complexities elsewhere, and every hap\u016B has the right to see its own journey to justice recognised on its own terms. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThis bill has been shaped by many years of negotiation and refinement. It reflects not just the endurance of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui but also advice, advocacy, and the courage of all those who have worked to bring it to this point in time. I would like to acknowledge the negotiators, those who worked in the Office of Treaty Settlements, and all of those wh\u0101nau and individuals who have supported behind the scenes, whether it be preparing kai, organising papers, or doing all of the endless hours of work to bring this claim to this point in time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThe Treaty settlements process is far from perfect. It does not even equate to a drop in the bucket to what has been taken and lost. But I genuinely hope that this process paves a way of hope, opportunity, for the next generation to take this land of ours and to make it into something that recognises who you are, what you can become, and what we can share together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira, he mihi mahana ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E[And so, warm regards to you all today. Greetings one and all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022 data-id=\u002218515e9a9fa54e66ac769b249be85415\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002218515e9a9fa54e66ac769b249be85415\u0022\u003ESTEVE ABEL (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker, and kia ora, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. We stand in these settlement speeches to acknowledge the harm caused to your iwi in the process of colonisation and raupatu\u2014the injustice of the way that the Crown treated Ng\u0101ti Ranginui and the people of Tauranga Moana.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EI have some of my earliest memories of travelling with my parents down from T\u0101maki-makau-rau, in a little Mini, on gravel roads, through the Karangahake Gorge, to Tauranga, where my grandmother lived. She lost her first husband in the Hastings-Napier earthquake in 1931 and travelled with two young children to Tauranga to start a shop in Cameron Road\u2014a florist and antique shop. When I was a kid, I didn\u2019t know the meaning of this word \u201CCameron\u201D. We now know the weight and gravity of the history associated with that name and the impact on your people and the people of the Waikato and the people of the Bay of Plenty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EMy mother was born in 1938, in Tauranga, and she spent her childhood raised in the Bay of Plenty. On her deathbed her older brother John called me\u2014she\u2019d lost her ability to speak\u2014and he said, \u201CRecall to your mum how, when we were kids, we would take the horses down to P\u0101p\u0101moa Beach, and we would take off the saddles and the bridles and we would ride them bareback into the breaking waves, and we\u2019d shriek with laughter. The horses loved the sea, and we loved the sea.\u201D I recounted that story to my mother, and she smiled, and she wept\u2014that was her memory of her childhood, her most precious memory.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EWe, as tangata Tiriti, me as a P\u0101keh\u0101, come to understand that the blessing of the life that we enjoy in these lands, and the \u201Chaere mai, haere mai, haere mai\u201D that we were offered when our ancestors first arrived\u2014that is what we must make account for, in understanding the atrocities and the horrors of the history that led to our presence in these lands, that led to my mother\u2019s childhood in Tauranga. Here today, for us to account for that history and to make good that history in so far as we can\u2014because there is no recompense, there is no compensation, there is no satisfactory acknowledgment of the impact of the raupatu and the loss of lands and the loss of the ability to exercise self-determination and the rangatiratanga. But here, today, the purpose of this bill and the settlement is to take that step towards fulfilling the ability of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui to express their rangatiratanga as mana whenua, as mana tangata, as mana moana of your part of the world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EI bumped into a gentleman that I met down in the Bay of Plenty, in Tauranga, actually, in the resistance against the Petrobras oil drilling. I was part of Greenpeace, and we stood with Te Wh\u0101nau-\u0101-Apanui and Ng\u0101ti Porou and other iwi of the Bay of Plenty against that drilling there. Ng\u0101ti Ranginui sang a version of \u201CIn the Ghetto\u201D, I believe, but changed all the lyrics to be about resisting the desecration of the customary waters of the peoples of the Bay of Plenty with oil drilling, and that resistance was effective. I would say that, in this reading, in this history, in this account, in this bill, we see the incredible resilience and dignity of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, in your holding on to your rights of tino rangatiratanga in your rohe, in your lands, in your waters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EThe infamous image of the kuia giving water to Booth at the Gate P\u0101 battle. That image of the dignity of M\u0101ori in expressing aroha, even to their assaulter\u2014this is something that we, as a nation, must recall. We must remember that it is tangata whenua M\u0101ori who have shown the generosity that embodies the core spirit of what makes Aotearoa what it is to this day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the raupatu and the confiscation of the Tauranga district lands, that it had a devastating effect on the welfare and the economy of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui hap\u016B and deprived those hap\u016B of w\u0101hi tapu, access to natural resources, and opportunities for development at Tauranga, and prevented Ng\u0101ti Ranginui from exercising mana and rangatiratanga over land and resources within the Tauranga Moana\u2014a scorched-earth policy. Shameful\u2014a shameful history. We thank you, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, for being here today, because you go some way to restoring the honour of the Crown by your presence, so thank you for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EAs tangata Tiriti, we must account for this history, we must understand it, we must seek to step into it, and we must open our hearts to the generosity of the likes of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui in seeking reconciliation. But that must take serious account of the impact of colonisation. I echo the feelings of my colleague from the Labour Party that these settlements are never sufficient. They are, in a sense, less than a 1 percent offering of what is lost, and we, as Te P\u0101ti K\u0101k\u0101riki, do not accept the principle of a full and final settlement. Whilst this settlement is that\u2014because that is the current legislative structure, and we will be supporting this bill\u2014we do not accept the principle as correct. The relationship between tangata Tiriti and tangata whenua is a living and eternal relationship. Te Tiriti o Waitangi is a living agreement. It is a binding contract which is the founding of the relationship with tangata whenua M\u0101ori and all those who came since, whether we are P\u0101keh\u0101 or tauiwi. So the idea that we would settle the relationship makes no sense\u2014it has no logic to it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EHoki whenua mai [Land return] is a deeply held principle by Te P\u0101ti K\u0101k\u0101riki. If we recognise that in the essence, the sordid land grab, in the words of Cameron himself\u2014the sordid land grab\u2014that was the raupatu in the Bay of Plenty and the Waikato and Taranaki, well, the obvious amends is to give back the land\u2014return the land\u2014and I\u2019m glad to see that this bill goes some way to returning some of that land. But we must recognise and we must be welcome to step into the truth, that for us to truly make amends for colonisation and the impact of it, we must be prepared to return more land and allow tino rangatiratanga, in the terms of tangata whenua M\u0101ori\u2014in their terms\u2014to be expressed, as was the contract, as was the agreement that we, my ancestors, signed up to in 1840. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EWe today commend this bill to the House. We thank you, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, for being here, and we acknowledge your dignity and your mana. Kia ora koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022 data-id=\u0022d021f33ab9ea4a4d90fd78b7aa5191a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d021f33ab9ea4a4d90fd78b7aa5191a3\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, Ng\u0101ti Te Wai, Pirir\u0101kau, Ng\u0101ti Taka, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, Ng\u0101ti Pango, Ng\u0101ti Kahu, Ng\u0101ti Hangarau, Ng\u0101i Tamar\u0101waho, Ng\u0101i Te Ahi, Ng\u0101ti Ruahine, and all your t\u012Bpuna and all your ancestors that you represent here today and your descendants to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EI have stood and spoken in this House on behalf of the ACT Party on a few Treaty settlement bills. In the 18 months since I\u2019ve been elected, I\u2019ve been privileged to speak on the Whakat\u014Dhea Claims Settlement Act\u2014close to home\u2014and, recently, the Te Ture m\u014D \u014C-R\u0101kau, Te Pae o Maumahara 2025/\u014C-R\u0101kau Remembrance Act 2025, the history of which touches deeply in some of the history outlined in the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EThis is, for me, an emotional moment to speak on such a bill. I am a child of P\u0101p\u0101moa. I come from the Bay of Plenty; this is where I am from. I read about the history, and it\u2019s history that I know quite well\u2014as much as one who didn\u2019t descend from it and live part of it can hope to know. These acknowledgments are long overdue. When I was a young fulla\u2014I actually said something similar in the \u014C-R\u0101kau Act\u2014I probably spent too much time wagging school, but I was doing some things. At one point, I drove over to the site of the Battle of \u014Cr\u0101kau by myself when I should have been at school, because I was interested in the history. But that history stemmed from a story that I have shared with some people, some who are even in this gallery today, where I went about trying to understand the history of my own area because I didn\u2019t feel like I was learning it properly. I remember one day I left school\u2014probably during English class\u2014and got my way over to Pyes P\u0101 and went looking for a battle site that I\u2019d read about but didn\u2019t know anything about and wasn\u2019t being taught about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EActually, first I should say, growing up, my generation started learning about Gate P\u0101, better known as Pukehinahina. We started learning about that, and it was talked about the way the toa and the w\u0101hine treated with their enemy\u2014there was a declaration on the way that M\u0101ori toa were going to treat with their enemies. I found the great line \u201CIf thy enemy hungers, feed him; if he thirsts, give him drink.\u201D to exemplify what I\u2019m trying to talk about here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EPukehinahina was a known battle. It was sat there as a monument with an Anglican church on it, and we all knew it was there, but we didn\u2019t know about Te Ranga. I went looking that day for the battle site. I had old maps that I\u2019d found\u2014God bless the internet for giving information out. I was trying to track the topography of the land and the rivers and the road, trying to find this place. So imagine a 15-year-old\u2014myself\u2014bashing through a bramble bush on the side of the road and finding this concrete plinth with old writing on it that could barely be understood. You know, it was not a well-kept mark of the site. But, for me, I could start to see the way things happened there, and it was deeply emotional for me sitting there\u2014I mean, remember, I was 15 years old; this was quite a shocking thing to try and discover for oneself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EI\u2019m glad and proud that today that site has been taken care of, acknowledged, and shown to the people of Tauranga and the people that travelled that road between Rotorua and Tauranga. But I recognise also the deep pain of the battle of Te Ranga, and the way that pain has carried on through the generations probably reflects why it was not in the state that it is now. It is a good thing that it is now being looked after, but I can completely empathise with those who would rather have just looked away and not thought about that particular site.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EThe raupatu and confiscations are something that Tauranga was\u2014you know, reading Victory at Gate P\u0101?, Buddy Mikaere\u2019s book, you can see the constraints on the descendants. You know, moving into areas like Judea, in Tauranga\u2014\u201CJu-daya\u201D, I suppose, if anyone else is reading it\u2014how that was marginal land, and how they no longer had access to places like K\u014Dp\u016Brererua and the fertile places around to harvest kai and grow. It was not a great\u2014\u201Cnot great\u201D is an understatement; it was a horrible, horrible situation for a century, for decades and decades. But today, this House starts to recognise, by going through the motions of passing into law, the deed of settlement. That has, as we\u2019ve heard, been a long time coming back from the splitting of the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective Redress Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EAlso, I note that in some of the settlement, there is land to be returned. A lot of people outside of the Bay of Plenty know about Mount Maunganui\u2014Mauao\u2014know about the hill that sort of sits there and is the symbol of our area and a sacred hill to Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. There\u2019s also hills like P\u016Bwhenua and \u014Ct\u0101newainuku getting returned in this settlement in a way\u2014still with access to the public, but returning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003ETalking to my wife this morning, I asked, \u201CWhat are you doing today, darling?\u201D She said, \u201CI\u2019m going to go and get the bloody stoat that I\u2019ve heard is running around in \u014Ct\u0101newainuku right now.\u201D So as I stand here speaking about the settlement and how \u014Ct\u0101newainuku is being returned, my wife is currently out there trying to eradicate pests on that very piece of whenua, and I felt that was quite a poetic situation to find myself, and ourselves, in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EMy children are being raised in the area. They\u2019re learning about where all the reefs are. They learn where the hills are and the rivers. I don\u2019t shy back from telling them about the history of Tauranga, but I also tell them that this is their place. This is where they\u2019re from. This is where they\u2019ll always be able to come back to. We know the rivers, as much as I can discover them and my family can discover them. We know the waters, the hills, and the bush as much as we can. It probably was a bit too much as a young fulla trying to get out and go places that perhaps weren\u2019t always public access, but I wanted to experience everything that our beautiful rohe, your beautiful rohe, has to show.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003ETauranga was supposed to be a safe harbour. It was discovered by Tamatea-arikinui and the waka T\u0101kitimu, eventually opening up for your people to settle. Te Awanui, Tauranga Harbour, was supposed to be\u2014and it is\u2014a safe harbour. Te Awanui was supposed to be a safe harbour and it was not. The Crown ships came in, opened up another front of the Waikato Wars, and that\u2019s where this pain starts. Today, we\u2019re not finishing the pain but we\u2019re taking another step on that path of sorting it out. I thank you very much for listening to me ramble on. Ng\u0101 mihi. Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7519f5809ce4c5187bb82c167885fe5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7519f5809ce4c5187bb82c167885fe5\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Forty-five years ago, in a meeting of the National Party caucus, a then young MP with a M\u0101ori background, one of only four who had won a European seat since 1854, raised the contrast of Arthur Allan Thomas getting a $1 million while the M\u0101ori in Tauranga were being offered $200,000. There are some people here who remember that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EThe reality is that we were the beneficiaries of the representation from the Tauranga M\u0101ori of a man called \u201CEd\u201D Morgan, a brilliant legal scholar from Oxford University who spent four years in Changi prison and yet went down to Tauranga to practise law and acted for the M\u0101ori at the time. He came before the then select committee and he said this to the members of Parliament representing this issue, in which a pittance was being paid to the people of Tauranga. He said to the members of Parliament: \u201CYou sit here in the seat of princes. May you treat this matter in a princely fashion.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EWell, that did not happen. It\u2019s the last thing that happened. But times move on and, four years later, someone who had a connection because some of his relations are buried at Matakana Island became, in the snap election, the MP for Tauranga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce7ccb11eb444f479b81cd0646e11387\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Who was that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218eccc4b228c454bbb5e50c0a0ff5a51\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: And happily said, in all those years, \u201CI\u2019m entirely happy to be the MP for Tauranga\u201D, as all sorts of aspersions were being flung at us. So this is a great day, delayed though it may be, but one should remember the facts of the matter and how sometimes one is able to help. Do you remember: it\u2019s 1990\u2014one\u2014and we have a situation where the kiwifruit ownership by M\u0101ori in Tauranga is over 10 percent of nationwide and it\u2019s indebted to the tune of $92 million, all occasioned by Treasury and the Ministry of M\u0101ori Affairs making the decision and not the local M\u0101ori themselves. Then, the MP for Tauranga, as you will recall, started an action against the Minister of Finance, saying, \u201CYou have failed to exercise a duty of care, and we\u2019re going to take you to court.\u201D Well, they caved in and that $92 million was written off. Sometimes things do work out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ECan I say to the people of Tauranga that it\u2019s great to see you here today and, so late in the piece nevertheless, in a settlement that is much more acceptable. I didn\u2019t come down to speak today until I was watching on television and I saw you all here, and I thought I\u2019d better get down and put this story right. The last thing is that you are in the area where one of the most significant ports coming into the future still remains to be Tauranga. Could I just say, from this far away still, don\u2019t let that be sold to someone else. Make sure it remains in local control. It will be far more valuable in the years to come if people have the foresight to see the shape of transport and shipping in the future, going forward. It will be seriously, seriously important, and at a critical time, as I\u2019m watching from this far away, I see that some want to sell it. Make sure, whether you\u2019re European or M\u0101ori in Tauranga, that that doesn\u2019t happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003EKia ora t\u0101tou. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022 data-id=\u00224a241a26717b4b3e9133939c09f204fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224a241a26717b4b3e9133939c09f204fa\u0022\u003ET\u0100KUTA FERRIS (Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014Te Tai Tonga):\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ETau ake au ki te tau nei ko Rua-tipua ko Rua-tawhito\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ENgarue i runga, ngarue i raro\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ENgarue i Te Iho a T\u0101ne, Te Iho a T\u0101ne ko taku waka ko Takitimu. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ERere mai te maramara, ko Ihinui, ko Ihiroa, ko Te \u0100whiorangi\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EE ko wai kei runga nei, e t\u016B p\u0101-whaiake\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EE ko au ko Uenuku, e t\u016B p\u0101-whaiake. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EE Rata, e Rata! He aha t\u0101u e hanga, e t\u016B p\u0101-whaiake\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EInumia te kawa\u2014t\u0101kina te kawa! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ETe kawa t\u016B\u0101nihinihi te kawa\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ETe kawa t\u016B\u0101rangaranga te kawa\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ETe kawa o wai? Te kawa o Takitimu\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EInumia te waka o T\u012Brari, inumia te waka o T\u012Brara\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EInumia te waka o Rongokako, inumia te waka o Tamatea-ariki-nui\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ETuruki turuki, paneke paneke\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ETuruki turuki, paneke paneke\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EHaramai te toki, haumi e, hui e, t\u0101iki e.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003E[I recite the recitation, it is Rua-the-powerful, Rua-the-ancient\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EReverberation above, reverberation below\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EReverberation upon the essence of T\u0101ne, the essence of T\u0101ne, my ancestral canoe is Takitimu\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EThe woodchips fly, it is Ihinui, Ihiroa and Te \u0100whiorangi\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EWho is this above me, launch the canoe\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EIt is I, it is Uenuku, launch the canoe\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ER\u0101t\u0101, R\u0101t\u0101! What have you constructed, launch the canoe\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EInternalise the ceremony\u2014recite the ceremony!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EThe ceremony is one of breadth\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EThe ceremony is one of turbulence\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EWhose ceremony is it? It is the ceremony of Takitimu\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EInternalise the canoe of T\u012Brari, internalise the canoe of Tirara\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EInternalise the vessel of Rongokako, internalise the vessel of Tamatea-ariki-nui\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EAdvance, advance, progress, progress\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EAdvance, advance, progress, progress\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EThe adze comes forth\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EIt coalesces, it assembles, it is bound.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira kei ng\u0101 hekenga o Tamatea-ariki-nui, heke rawa mai ki a Rongokako, ki a Tamatea-p\u014Dkai-whenua. Rere iho nei ko Ranginui t\u014Dmua, ko Kahungunu t\u014Dmuri. Haere mai, haere mai, haere mai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EWhakatau mai ki roto ki t\u0113nei Whare. Kawea mai ng\u0101 nawe o r\u0101tou m\u0101 hei whakatutuki i roto i t\u0113nei rangi. A rau mahara, a rau manako, ng\u0101 hiahia o te hunga kua ngaro nei i a t\u0101tou. Hoki nei \u014Dku mahara ki t\u0113r\u0101 p\u0101p\u0101 o koutou, he p\u0101p\u0101 n\u014D m\u0101tou, ki a Te Huik\u0101kahu m\u014Dna i tohe roa kia toit\u016B te rangatiratanga o Ranginui, o Tauranga Moana ki runga ki te mata o te whenua. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EKei ng\u0101 m\u0101tua t\u012Bpuna i te p\u014D, e ara. E ara, hoki wairua mai i roto i t\u0113nei w\u0101. E whai nei ng\u0101 mokopuna i te ara i parangia e r\u0101tou i roto i te w\u0101 i a r\u0101tou, k\u012Bhai r\u0101tou i eke ki te toi ora kia tae ki t\u0113nei w\u0101. Hoki wairua mai, hoki wairua mai, hoki wairua mai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EKawea mai t\u014D r\u0101tou ihi ki roto ki t\u0113nei r\u0101 kia \u0101ta whakarongo ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a t\u0113n\u0101, a t\u0113n\u0101, a t\u0113n\u0101 i roto i t\u0113nei Whare. K\u0101re au m\u014D te t\u014Dwai i ng\u0101 mahi kua oti k\u0113 i a koutou te whakatutuki i roto i ng\u0101 rau mahara, i ng\u0101 tau maha. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou i \u0101 koutou mahi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EHe mahi ka haere ao te p\u014D, p\u014D te ao, whakatipuranga atu, whakatipuranga mai ka ea te k\u014Drero, \u201Chinga atu he t\u0113t\u0113kura\u201D; kua tae mai te t\u0113t\u0113kura o t\u0113nei r\u0101. Haere mai r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EHaere mai r\u0101 me te tini t\u016Bmanako m\u014D te \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D. Kawea mai \u014D mokopuna i roto i t\u0113nei r\u0101 kia titia te whatumanawa, te ng\u0101kau, te p\u0101tukitanga o te whakatipuranga ka heke mai, ka heke mai, ka heke mai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EMe t\u014D t\u0101tou m\u014Dhio, t\u0113nei tohe a te iwi M\u0101ori, e kore e oti i te r\u0101 nei. Ahakoa t\u0113r\u0101 taha o t\u0113nei k\u014Drero, e mea nei au ki a t\u0101tou i roto i t\u0113nei r\u0101, tau\u0101raia te p\u014D, t\u012Btoko ko te ao m\u0101rama. Kia whitikina \u0101 t\u0101tou tamariki, \u0101 t\u0101tou mokopuna ki ng\u0101 hihi o Tama-nui-te-r\u0101, kia kaua r\u0101 e noho nei ko t\u0101tou i roto i te kupenga a te K\u0101wanatanga, engari kia \u016B t\u0101tou ki roto ki te kupenga o ng\u0101 mahi a ng\u0101 m\u0101tua t\u012Bpuna, tat\u016B iho ki a koutou o Tauranga Moana i roto i t\u0113nei rangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EE hika m\u0101, kia tika te whakahua o \u014D koutou ingoa i roto i t\u0113nei r\u0101. M\u0101ku te r\u0101rangi. N\u014D reira kei ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o te r\u014Dp\u016B whakamana i ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ranginui, ar\u0101 ki a Pirir\u0101kau, ki a Ng\u0101ti Taka, ki a Wairoa hap\u016B ar\u0101 Ng\u0101ti Kahu, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, koutou tahi me Ng\u0101ti Pango, Ng\u0101ti Hangarau, Ng\u0101i Tamar\u0101waho, Ng\u0101i Te Ahi, Ng\u0101ti Ruahine, koutou tahi, t\u0101tou me k\u012B, me Ng\u0101ti Te Wai. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EKotahi taku k\u014Drero ki te Whare ki te reo P\u0101keh\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003E[And so to the descendants of Tamatea-ariki-nui, descending to Rongokako, and to Tamatea-p\u014Dkai-whenua. Flowing on to Ranginui first and Kahungunu later. Welcome, welcome, welcome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EWelcome into this House. Bring with you the grievances of those who have passed on to be resolved today. The many memories, the many hopes, the desires of those who have been lost to us. My memories return to that patriarch of yours, a patriarch of ours also, to Te Huik\u0101kahu, who fought for so long so that the sovereignty of Ranginui and Tauranga Moana would remain on the face of the earth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ETo the forebears and ancestors in the darkness, arise. Arise and return to us in spirit at this time. The grandchildren are following the path that was blazed by them during their time, they did not reach the pinnacle of health in order to be here at this time. Return, return, return to us in spirit. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EBring with you their enduring power today to carefully listen to the comments of each of us in this House. I will not repeat the actions that you have already completed through the many memories and many years. I congratulate you on your work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EIt is a job that continues by night and by day, and with each successive generation the saying is embodied, \u201Cas a leader passes\u201D; the leadership of today has arrived. Welcome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EWelcome to you and your many hopes for the future. Bring with you your grandchildren today so that it may be embedded in the bosom, the heart, the heartbeat of the generations to come. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EAnd we are aware that this struggle of the M\u0101ori people will not end today. Despite the opposing side of this discussion, I say to us today cross the threshold of darkness, the world of light rises. That our children and our grandchildren may be illuminated by the rays of Tama-nui-te-r\u0101, so that we do not remain within the net of the Government, but we instead engage in the net of the actions of the forebears and ancestors, and including you of Tauranga Moana today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EMy friends, let your names be pronounced accurately today. Allow me to list them. Therefore to all the hap\u016B of the mandated authority of the hap\u016B of Ranginui, that is to Pirir\u0101kau, to Ng\u0101ti Taka, to the Wairoa hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Kahu, Ng\u0101ti Rangi, you along with Ng\u0101ti Pango, Ng\u0101ti Hangarau, Ng\u0101i Tamar\u0101waho, Ng\u0101i Te Ahi, Ng\u0101ti Ruahine, all of you, I should say all of us, with Ng\u0101ti Te Wai. My thanks, congratulations, and greetings to all of you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003EI have one comment to make to this House in English.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002287c850cf-18f6-4be0-935a-0e24e0a352ae\u0022\u003ETo the Government: this apology is in your name. I hope that from today, this afternoon, and every day into the future, you treat Ranginui with the respect, the sanctity, the honour, and the mana that is in this apology. E te P\u012Bka, t\u0113n\u0101 koe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022 data-id=\u002251b2fef801c74ec1a7a7e2e3b6ca8aac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002251b2fef801c74ec1a7a7e2e3b6ca8aac\u0022\u003EBENJAMIN DOYLE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E E te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, nei r\u0101 te mihi ki a koe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EKi te hunga mate, koutou ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui kua rere atu ki tua o te \u0101rai, koutou i patua ai e te Karauna i te pakanga o Pukehinahina me te pakanga o Te Ranga, moe mai, moe mai, moe mai r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EKi a koutou, ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui kua tae mai i t\u0113nei r\u0101, kei te rere ng\u0101 mihi maioha ki a koutou katoa. Kua roa te haere engari kia mataara, kei te tata tonu te whakatau, kei te tata tonu te iti Kahurangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003E[Mr Speaker, I acknowledge you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003ETo the dearly departed, the ancestors of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui who have gone beyond the veil, you who were killed by the Crown in the battle of Gate P\u0101 and the battle of Te Ranga, rest in peace. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003ETo you, the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui who have arrived here today, warm regards flow to all of you. It has been a long journey but remain alert, settlement is close, the valued treasure is close.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EI wish to acknowledge the descendants of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, those who have made the long journey today to be here, whether in body or in spirit. I wish to acknowledge those who did not make it, those who began this long journey many, many years ago, and who now watch from above as stars in the great cloak of Ranginui. They have returned to the final resting place of our ancestors but their legacy and their spirit lives on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EIt is my great pleasure as always to rise in support of a bill such as this. Of course, the passing of legislation is a crucial step in the process of redress, as is the issuing of a formal apology by the Crown, an accurate historical record, a recognition of the Crown\u2019s failings and violence, a return of lands, and a payment of compensation, but it could never truly be enough to compensate for the immense loss and pain suffered at the behest of the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EAs long as the web of colonialism exists in Aotearoa and around the world there is little justice for indigenous peoples. This means there is still work to be done to transform our society into one which recognises the unique place and experience of tangata whenua in Aotearoa as the original custodians and descendants of this land.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EThis day marks a milestone in that journey for the Crown and Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. But we still have so far to go. N\u0101 reira, e tika ana te k\u014Drero i \u014D t\u0101tou t\u016Bpuna \u201CTitiro whakamuri, k\u014Dkiri whakamua\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003E[Therefore, the saying of our ancestors is true \u201CLook back, go forwards\u201D.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022 data-id=\u002257854bc244f842fcb1993ff6e817e264\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002257854bc244f842fcb1993ff6e817e264\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E Tihei mauri ora! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 iwi, e rau rangatira, m\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Te Whare e t\u016B nei t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Te papa e takoto nei t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Kei ng\u0101 mate haere, haere, haere. Nau mai haere mai ki te Whare P\u0101remata. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EKo Dan Bidios t\u014Dku ingoa. Ko Tainui te waka, ko Waikato te awa, ko Kakepuku te m\u0101unga, ko Ng\u0101ti Maniapoto te iwi. Ko Ng\u0101ti Huia te hap\u016B. Ko Te Kauwae te marae. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E[\u2019Tis the breath of life! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003ETo the esteemed, the many voices, the people, and the distinguished leaders, greetings to you all. The House standing, greetings to you. The ground we are upon, salutations to you. To our departed, farewell, farewell, farewell. Welcome here to the Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EMy name is Dan Bidois. Tainui is my canoe, Waikato is the river, Kakepuku the mountain and M\u0101niapoto is the nation. Ng\u0101ti Huia is the subtribe. Te Kauwae is the marae. Thank you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a pleasure to speak in what is the second reading of the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill. I wish to acknowledge the journey that Ng\u0101ti Ranginui has been on for 161 years to get acknowledgment from the Crown, from this House, for the wrongs that have been done and to redress for those wrongs, and, most importantly, to pave way for the future. It is a great privilege to speak in this debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t have a direct connections to the Tauranga, Bay of Plenty area, but my t\u016Bpuna do. Often I get asked if I\u2019m related to the Bidoises of Te Puna, and I have to say, \u201CNo, unfortunately, I\u2019m not.\u201D I am actually related to the Bidoises in Te Puna, but the Bidoises that came from France had 14 children, so we all go back to that strand of one of those 14 children.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EIt is a fantastic part of New Zealand, a fantastic part of Aotearoa, and a great privilege to have played a small part in this bill in my role when I was on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. This bill has been backwards and forwards some times since it was originally introduced in 2012. One of the first steps that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee did was to divide this bill from the Tauranga Moana collective redress bill. It is great to see the willingness of the iwi to move forward. I certainly look forward to hearing the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective Redress Bill in its final reading, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThis is an important day. It is a good day for the hap\u016B and the iwi of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. I will be speaking again in the third reading. So I will save a more fulsome debate around the purpose of the bill and our aspirations and our willingness to engage for the third reading. So I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u0022eba06e19f9834f65b68f27b3566b7416\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eba06e19f9834f65b68f27b3566b7416\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. E papaki kau ana ng\u0101 tai. He tai wiwi, he tai wawa he tai ki uta he tai ki waho. Ko t\u0113nei te tai o te tangata e tau nei ki konei. Aku nui, aku rahi t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E[The coast is clapping. They ascend and descend to the shores and out to the ocean. Here are the waves of people whom have arrived here. Dear esteemed, dear noble people, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve often sat here in Treaty settlement bills and heard the readings and I\u2019ve loved the experience, and I\u2019ve often thought, what would it be like\u2014what would it be like to see my friends in the gallery? I look up there and I can see so many of you up there today, and I\u2019m getting emotional already and I\u2019m still going to get through a third reading speech yet. But it is just so wonderful to see you here and to be part of the redress but also the celebrations and the moving forward at the same time, and I am so grateful that I have got the opportunity to talk with you, to talk around what\u2019s happening in this process, but also to be part of your journey as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003ENow, I want to talk about my connections to Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and I\u2019ll start with where you came from. Ng\u0101ti Ranginui descended from Tamatea Arikinui, captain of the T\u0101kitimu Waka, and when the T\u0101kitimu Waka arrived at Tauranga, Tamatea Arikinui conducted rituals and ceremonies on Mauao to open the whenua for occupation. One such ritual which I have a deep connection with was the establishment of the two altars of Ahurewa. These were developed to establish centres of w\u0101nanga of learning. These were Rehutai on Mauao, and Hikutai on Tutara w\u0101nanga, and it\u2019s the Tutara w\u0101nanga where my connection goes to, and I am for ever grateful that you wrap your arms around me in my journey when I was so fortunate to have the opportunity to have an impact on the lives of your mokopuna and your tamariki and your rangatahi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI\u2019m actually going to extend that a little bit: my husband Dave and I are forever grateful. I acknowledge that Dave is now at the Merivale Community Centre, and I\u2019m doing a shout-out to them to get them on Hansard but also because they\u2019ve got a watch party going on there today because they are so excited, and many of them couldn\u2019t come down, but they are so excited to see this reading coming through. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EThe second reading of a bill is often around the process; the \u201Cwhat has happened to date?\u201D This has been a long process, and settlement bills are a long process, but this one more so in many cases because there was the omnibus. There was the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective Redress, and now we\u2019re talking to the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill, so that\u2019s been part of that long journey as well. No journey and no redress is ever going to make up for the hurt and the long history of hurt that has been experienced, but, as I know, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui are resilient and are strong and fight their corner\u2014gosh, do I know that really, really well\u2014and that is why it\u2019s just such an honour to be here speaking in the House today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EAs many of the speakers have said here so far, we have the third reading coming up, and the third reading is where we will talk a lot more about some of the people in the journey along the way and some of the hurt that has happened in that journey along the way. But this, as I said, is a long history that you have had in the Tauranga Moana region, and that long history is being recognised here today. No longer are people now saying Tauranga is quite a new city; we are actually recognising you as the mana whenua, alongside the other two iwi of Tauranga Moana. You are being recognised here today, and we will talk further about that in the third reading. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI look forward to sharing that journey, and I look forward to hearing more of that. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022 data-id=\u00222dd64c447e4c43508cfe9d6aec1c3c73\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222dd64c447e4c43508cfe9d6aec1c3c73\u0022\u003ETOM RUTHERFORD (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E I rise today to speak in support of the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill during its second reading. As the member of Parliament for the Bay of Plenty, I have the privilege of representing a region rich in history, culture, and significance to many iwi, including Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EThis settlement is not just words on paper or numbers on a ledger. It represents generations of patience, perseverance, and the pursuit of justice. The journey to this moment has been long and challenging. The original omnibus bill, the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective Redress and Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill, was introduced in November 2015, nearly a decade ago\u2014I had only just finished school at that time. It was considered by a select committee in 2017 and had been awaiting its second reading in the House since then. In 2022 Ng\u0101ti Ranginui approached the Crown about finalising their Treaty settlement as soon as possible. I\u2019m pleased to note that the other iwi who are part of the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective, Ng\u0101i Te Rangi and Ng\u0101ti P\u016Bkenga, agreed to the bill being divided so that Ng\u0101ti Ranginui legislation could proceed independently.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EOn 21 March last year, the House agreed that the omnibus bill be referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for consideration of two Amendment Papers, and after careful consideration the committee divided the bill on 3 April, allowing this Ng\u0101ti Ranginui settlement to progress while issues with the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective continue to be resolved. This approach speaks to the balance we must strike in these matters, respecting the unity and shared interests of iwi while also acknowledging the autonomy and unique circumstances of each group. I commend the Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Settlement Trust and their negotiating team for their enduring commitment through what has been a lengthy process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EToday, as we debate this bill, we must reflect on the profound significance of what we are addressing. This settlement acknowledges the deep mamae, the pain and suffering, carried by Ng\u0101ti Ranginui since the raupatu of 1864. The Crown\u2019s actions during this period, the unjust war, forced land takings, and scorched earth campaign undermined the mana and connection to whenua of these hap\u016B. According to the 2023 census, 14,928 affiliate to Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and 57 percent of them are under the age of 30\u2014sorry to my friends Tamati Tata and Turi Ngatai, who are in the public gallery and who fall just outside of that age range.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Ranginui\u2019s historical Treaty of Waitangi claims relate specifically to war in Tauranga, Crown purchasing of certain land, the operation and effects of native land laws, M\u0101ori land legislation, and public works taking in the 20th century. These are not distant historical footnotes but lived realities that continue to shape communities in our electorate today. I acknowledge the hap\u016B, who have maintained their tikanga despite generations of alienation and marginalisation in their own rohe. Your resilience is remarkable, and this settlement represents not just recognition of past wrongs but a foundation for future prosperity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EWhen I walk through the Bay of Plenty, I see the legacy of these historical injustices, but I also see the strength and determination of tangata whenua, who have never surrendered their connection to place and identity. This settlement, while it cannot undo the past, provides meaningful acknowledgement and redress. The bill before us includes significant elements: financial and commercial redress of $38 million, which will provide economic opportunities for current and future generations; the return of five sites of cultural significance; two properties of cultural significance vested jointly with other iwi; and relationship redress with key Crown agencies. The settlement also includes the vesting of w\u0101hi tapu and a right of first refusal over certain Crown lands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve had the privilege of speaking with kaum\u0101tua and rangitahi from Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. What strikes me most is how they speak of this settlement not primarily in terms of financial compensation but as a platform for cultural revitalisation, a language-land connection identity and tino rangatiratanga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EI had so much I wanted to say. I have so many friends sitting in the gallery today who have rightly come to see not just the second reading but the third reading and this bill becoming law. I support this bill, not just as one of the Bay of Plenty MPs but as someone who believes deeply in the importance of addressing historical injustices. The passage of this legislation will mark a significant milestone for Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, for the Bay of Plenty region, for our nation. It demonstrates our commitment to honouring the Treaty of Waitangi and building genuine partnerships based on mutual respect and understanding. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022 data-id=\u002217f3010cc3c64cf7b3f56aa5c84191e9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002217f3010cc3c64cf7b3f56aa5c84191e9\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. Rapua te huarahi wh\u0101nui hei ara whakapiri i ng\u0101 iwi e rua i runga i te whakaaro kotahi. Tihei mauri ora! Kei aku nui, kei aku rahi. Ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata o te motu. Takitumu waka, ng\u0101 uri o Tamatearikinui, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101. T\u0113nei te mihi mai i \u014Dku iwi Ng\u0101ti Whitikaupeka ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101, he r\u0101 whakahirahira m\u014D koutou katoa. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, mauriora ki a t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. Pursue the pathway that brings us two people together under the one thought. Greetings all. Dear esteemed, dear noblemen. The people of the land. Takitumu canoe, and the descendants of Tamatearikinui, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, this is my greetings to you today. I acknowledge you on behalf of my people of Ng\u0101ti Whitikaupeka. This is a big day for you all. And so, thank you, thank you thank you, good health to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EWh\u0101nau m\u0101, can I acknowledge each and every one of you in the gallery today: those that can be with us and, of course, those that cannot be with us today. I want to acknowledge the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill in the second reading here in te Whare P\u0101remata before us all today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EAt the moment, it\u2019s a bittersweet moment as we look back to the past and we look at where we are now. We also acknowledge the difficult and tumultuous times of the last 18 months. Today, we make an apology. We make an apology on behalf of the Crown to yourself, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, but it doesn\u2019t stop here. The values, the k\u014Drero, that we all put into this House today, stand true. Those values are a way forward for all of us to acknowledge, to honour Te Tiriti o Waitangi, the partnership and the commitment that our wh\u0101nau, M\u0101ori, and P\u0101keh\u0101 alike signed up to back in 1840 in a kaupapa that we must honour now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve seen today, and as I look across the House, wh\u0101nau, friends, ng\u0101 hononga katoa [all the relationships]. Wh\u0101ea Ng\u0101reta e mihi ana ki a koe, ki t\u014D wh\u0101nau hoki. Matua Turi t\u0113n\u0101 koe i muri r\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E[Wh\u0101ea Ng\u0101reta, I acknowledge you and your family. Matua Turi, greetings to you at the back there.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EBut, particularly, I think of many of my friends and hononga back to Waipapa Taumata Rau and Te W\u0101nanga o Aotearoa. My friend Rohario Murray messaged me this morning because she\u2019s stuck at the airport. She sent me some words that I want to put on record today for Hansard, because the small thing that we can do as members of Parliament is to represent those that we love, those that we have connection with in this House on their special day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EShe said, \u201CThese words acknowledge that the Crown unreservedly apologises for not having honoured its obligations to the Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui under Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and regrets its failure to acknowledge the mana and rangatiratanga of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui for many generations. The Crown deeply regrets that, over time, its actions severed Ng\u0101ti Ranginui hap\u016B from their traditional lands, deprived them of opportunities for development, caused significant harm to the social and economic development of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, undermined the wellbeing of the iwi and its hap\u016B, damaged the autonomy and ability to exercise customary rights and responsibilities, and marginalised them within their own rohe.\u201D Rohario goes on to say, \u201CE te wh\u0101nau, the work doesn\u2019t end today, but the vision carries on, brighter, bolder, and grounded in whakapapa.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003ET\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou katoa Ng\u0101ti Ranginui i t\u0113nei r\u0101. He kaupapa nunui he kaupapa roroa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, mauriora ki a t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E[This is my salutations to you all Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. This is a big day and a long day for you. thank you, and good health to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022 data-id=\u0022245f66e60a3c46bca2b961e9097772ea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022245f66e60a3c46bca2b961e9097772ea\u0022\u003ESAM UFFINDELL (National\u2014Tauranga):\u003C/span\u003E Ki ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, nau mai haere mai ki t\u0113nei Whare P\u0101remata. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E[To the people of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, welcome to the Parliament. Thank you, thank you, thank you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge everyone here in the gallery. It was great to be here with you this morning for the mihi whakatau and some kai. I also want to acknowledge everyone who can\u2019t be here: elders, t\u012Bpuna passed, and also everyone back home in Tauranga Moana. Kia ora to all of you on this historic day. It\u2019s so good to have you here to be able to address the past wrongs that were done to your hap\u016B and your iwi: the historic breaches of Te Tiriti, the confiscation of land, the loss of cultural sites, the loss of mana, the marginalisation\u2014this is a step towards addressing all of that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EIt is also an opportunity for all of you to move forward. We heard this morning about wanting to look forward. Acknowledging the past, yes, but also taking the opportunity of the future to build economic opportunities for you and your wh\u0101nau. This is the launching pad for that, so I want to acknowledge that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EI want to also say that as the MP for Tauranga, I will work to engage as constructively as I can, not only with Ng\u0101ti Ranginui but with the other two iwi in Tauranga Moana, so I can filter back what you need from us and, also, to know that I am always there for you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003ELook, there is so much more I want to say, and I will have that opportunity in the third reading. We do need to get this done because I know you will want this third reading to get done by 1\u00A0p.m. today, so I will leave it there. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u00224f69bf39b0c7424699463755a5cb0949\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f69bf39b0c7424699463755a5cb0949\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. K\u0101ti kia whakam\u0101rama atu ki w\u014Dku rahi, ki \u014Dku tini whanaunga o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui hei te p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru ka whakaranea ake ahau i waku mihi me waku k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0113nei kaupapa te pire kei mua i a t\u0101tou. Me te mea an\u014D hoki kia ea te amuamu a t\u014Dku matua a Willie Jackson he aha te take k\u0101ore kei a ia t\u0113tahi k\u0101meta kia kite atu ki runga i w\u0101 t\u0101tou hoa mahi ki roto i te Whare? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. And so allow me to explain to my relations of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui that on the third reading I will elaborate my acknowledgments and my speech pertaining to this bill before us. And also to satisfy the arguments made by my uncle Willie Jackson. Why does he not have a camera to see our work colleagues above in this House?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EHowever, I do want to take a very quick opportunity in the second reading\u2014as I scan the House, there are four members who were here at the reading of the bill that was done about 10 years ago with respect to the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective, and here we are with Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWhat I observed this morning with Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2014who were the first bill this morning\u2014was something I hadn\u2019t seen before in my 12 years in the House. While I accept that the Business Committee is the way to look towards how we might finesse this tikanga of ours as we\u2019ve all accepted with respect to Treaty settlements, I do want to put it on the record and on floor of the House for consideration of parties as we get to the Business Committee that what we normally do is five-minute calls for the first reading, 10-minute calls for the second reading, and 10-minute calls for the third reading. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI wonder if perhaps there is scope and if there\u2019s a will in the House to flip the second and first reading calls as the first reading is an important one where our tribes and our wh\u0101nau who come here to start of the process of the bill\u2014I think that deserves the time of a 10-minute call for members across the House while the negotiations after the select committee continue with officials, the Minister, and of course the tribe. By the time we get to the second reading\u2014and I support this bill\u2014what\u2019s here in the Amendment Paper and bills of this nature are already complete. What we do here are just some technical minor changes if that\u2019s all that\u2019s required. Then we go into 10-minute calls for the third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI leave that thought on the floor of Parliament whereby if we could for this particular process in the future flip the second reading time frame for the first readings, and the first reading time frame into the second reading, so that we can honour the mahi that we do here today and the work that so many have done to make sure that this particular kaupapa\u2014and many other kaupapa like it\u2014progress into the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare ka waiho \u0113nei k\u014Drero ki te p\u0101t\u016B o t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare. He pito k\u014Drero ka whakahokia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Therefore, Mr Speaker, I\u2019ll conclude my speech here within the walls of our House. I stand down.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022 data-id=\u0022038b5863cc504065af6dc56afd00aae4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022038b5863cc504065af6dc56afd00aae4\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini):\u003C/span\u003E It really is a privilege to stand up and make my contribution to the beautiful k\u014Drero that\u2019s taking place this morning. We\u2019re in the second reading of the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill, and I\u2019m absolutely privileged\u2014and I thank the House for this privilege, and the people of Takanini that put me here\u2014that I\u2019m the deputy chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. In front of me is the chair, my good friend David MacLeod, and I\u2019ve got Dan Bidois, my good friend who helped shepherd this bill as we went through the changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard some very profound and detailed accounts of what\u2019s involved in this settlement bill, so if you don\u2019t mind, as the last speaker on the second reading, what I would like to do is maybe just a few acknowledgments. I\u2019d like to acknowledge the attendance of the Rt Hon Dame Patsy Reddy, our former Governor-General. Thank you for being here, and thank you for your tautoko for this important mahi. I\u2019d like to also acknowledge our kuia and our kaum\u0101tua across the House in the gallery. Thank you for making the journey here, and thank you for teaching the generations that come after you how important this type of kaupapa is as well, and to never give up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to also acknowledge the presence of my good friend Matt Winiata, the chair of the Manurewa Local Board\u2014and I\u2019m so pleased to see your father here. Mr Ranginui David Winiata, thank you for raising your son to be the person he is. Matt was on the news a few months ago for shedding tears when he gave a k\u014Drero to the Auckland mayor saying, \u201CManurewa has a lot of vulnerable communities. Please, please make sure that p\u016Btea\u201D\u2014money\u2014\u201Ccomes to Manurewa.\u201D So thank you for being here today. Thank you for the love that you give South Auckland communities, Matthew.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ll go towards a third reading now. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022f39855629f124b2c8515e682481ad6ab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f39855629f124b2c8515e682481ad6ab\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill is set down for committee stage immediately. I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00226f11665a5e8548b29cfe667a79cb20e5\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223bf88681834f420bbcff33d37dcdb8e8\u0022\u003EPart 4  Preliminary matters and settlement of historical claims\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002271a5e691e0994105804aa842f53dcd86\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002271a5e691e0994105804aa842f53dcd86\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee on Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill. The bill was divided from the Tauranga Moana Iwi Collective Redress and Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill. Parts 4 to 6 and Schedules 4 to 6 of that bill were divided into Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill. We therefore begin with the debate on Part 4. Part 4 is the debate on clauses 76 to 92, \u201CPreliminary matters and settlement of historical claims\u201D. The question is that Part 4 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 4 set out on Amendment Paper 288 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EPart 4 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022690c3666e851413aa9274161352558ad\u0022\u003EPart 5  Cultural redress\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d48e28bd2e9a4d6e8a43869564bf6bbc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d48e28bd2e9a4d6e8a43869564bf6bbc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to Part 5. This is the debate on clauses 93 to 152, \u201CCultural redress\u201D, and Schedules 4 and 5. The question is that Part 5 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 5 set out on Amendment Paper 288 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EPart 5 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fffe74fe30914902a23d15495cb0ac8c\u0022\u003EPart 6  Commercial redress\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00221f2ac5fae56740baa2fb3b746d04aa67\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221f2ac5fae56740baa2fb3b746d04aa67\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to Part 6, the debate on clauses 153 to 197, \u201CCommercial redress\u201D, and Schedule 6. The question is that Part 6 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 6 set out on Amendment Paper 288 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EPart 6 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b7e4336f9b1a456884acd595ba9e8fa3\u0022\u003ESchedule 4\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e67eb61b979e47f7b71879db5e92fcd5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e67eb61b979e47f7b71879db5e92fcd5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Schedule 4: the question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Schedule 4 set out on Amendment Paper 288 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ESchedule 4 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f5def3de12f74c0c84ab59ba89596ae5\u0022\u003ESchedule 5\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b79dd2e05a334057999f8d6281c59f81\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b79dd2e05a334057999f8d6281c59f81\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Schedule 5 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ESchedule 5 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002251a283a6ffb8493d9ef138d66aed6fcf\u0022\u003ESchedule 6\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022c62f342d9902448c8b23fd29dd710b47\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c62f342d9902448c8b23fd29dd710b47\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Schedule 6 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ESchedule 6 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d6cdc804759b4e6ba4f8c14169dc811a\u0022\u003EClauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022395d9a8681484772a45e8665edd9e080\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022395d9a8681484772a45e8665edd9e080\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we now come to our final debate, clauses 1 and 2, on the title and commencement. The question is that clause 1 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EClause 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc400af6484c45329e9d49501bb09109\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc400af6484c45329e9d49501bb09109\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that clause 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EClause 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EBill to be reported with amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00220dc664f46b9e489e90c52fafa78b7027\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220dc664f46b9e489e90c52fafa78b7027\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, the committee has considered Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill and reports it with amendment. I move, That the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222850d9331f514b3786c7f9697a84ad0c\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022 data-id=\u00223f39e7140d694f16b0968d607cd36f27\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223f39e7140d694f16b0968d607cd36f27\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EE rere tonu atu ng\u0101 mihi kua mihia ki ng\u0101 uri o ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou. E ng\u0101 k\u0101wai rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003E[I\u2019d like to add to the acknowledgments made to the people of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. Greetings to you, dear esteemed leaders, greetings to you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI had the privilege of moving the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill earlier today, and it\u2019s now my honour to see this bill reach its third reading; a significant occasion, as it draws to a close the individual settlement journey for Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, which has been a long time coming. In fact, it was all the way back in 2012, when the late iwi leader Colin Bidois said, \u201CWe are coming out of a long tunnel, the job had been done and now was the time to pass the baton to the next generation.\u201D It\u2019s an honour to be here to carry that baton to the finish line on behalf of this Parliament and to mark this particular occasion. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI begin by acknowledging Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, who have joined us in the House, many who have travelled long distances to witness this occasion. I\u2019d like to welcome those who are tuning in and watching or listening on live stream or on the radio today. I want to thank Stan for giving me this scarf that came from Maharaia Winiata\u2019s visit to Edinburgh, and I\u2019m wearing it with pride today to acknowledge this occasion. I pay tribute to the t\u016Bpuna and kaum\u0101tua who took the first steps to seek justice for Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, who had a clear vision of what they wanted to see for their people. I deeply regret that many are no longer with us to witness this momentous occasion, where the vision of achieving redress for the iwi has become reality. I spoke this morning about the long history, and going back, way back, to the 1860s, when appeals were made to rectify things, decade after decade, and today, finally, we have the acknowledgment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI acknowledge the representatives of the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Settlement Trust, the post-settlement governance entity that will receive the settlement\u2019s assets on behalf of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and will represent the iwi in its ongoing relationship with the Crown. I thank the settlement trust and the negotiating team for their enduring efforts; I particularly want to acknowledge Te Pio Kawe, Kimiora Rawiri, Rob Irwin, and Huik\u0101kahu Brian Kawe, who championed the settlement. When I met with the group, they advised me it had been a long journey, and all the kaum\u0101tua who presented the claims at the Waitangi Tribunal had, sadly, passed on. To honour these t\u016Bpuna, Kimiora Rawiri made the deliberate decision to be present in Tauranga Moana today, to be with the people who made this day possible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Ranginui acted honourably and reasonably in its negotiations with the Crown, with dedication and hard work into completing this. So I want to acknowledge the two previous Ministers, Christopher Finlayson and Andrew Little, as well as the Government agencies and local authorities that worked hard to make this happen. I want to extend my thanks to Dame Patsy Reddy, who I saw up in the crowd there, who was the chief Crown negotiator for these negotiations, ably supported by officials from the Office of Treaty Settlements and Takutai Moana: Te Tari Whakatau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EAs we gather here today for this important day, we also look back on the past and recognise that the Crown severely wronged Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui in the years following. The settlement and the Crown acknowledge its historical breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi, including that it was ultimately responsible for the outbreak of war in Tauranga in 1864, in which Crown troops killed members of the hap\u016B and wounded others in the battles of Pukehinahina and Te Ranga. The Crown has acknowledged that the raupatu of lands in Tauranga and subsequent Tauranga District Lands Acts 1867 and 1868 were unjust and a breach of the Treaty of Waitangi. In the subsequent bush campaign, the Crown inflicted the scorched earth policy, destroying villages and cultivations, which forced many to flee. The policy had a devastating effect on the welfare and economy of the Ng\u0101ti Ranginui hap\u016B. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe Crown has acknowledged the conduct was unreasonable and unnecessary, and was a breach of the Treaty. The raupatu, along with the purchase of the Te Puna-Katikati block soon after, and the operation impacted the native land laws, flaws in the Crown purchasing and the acquisition of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and, in a number of different ways, left Ng\u0101ti Ranginui without sufficient land for their present and future needs. This contributed to the many hap\u016B enduring long periods of social deprivation, and the historical account goes into great detail about that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe Crown has acknowledged that it failed to deal in a satisfactory way with the grievances raised by successive generations of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and recognised that those grievances were sound, were real. On 21 June 2012, at the signing of the deed of settlement, the Crown apologised to Ng\u0101ti Ranginui for its actions and omissions, and expressed profound regret for its breaches. I regret the time has taken so long for the apology to be enshrined in law, and I\u2019m thankful that it will be rectified by the passing, imminently, of this bill today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EThe settlement provides redress that will recognise traditional cultural, spiritual associations of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui in their rohe, which includes vesting 15 sites with significance, and two sites jointly with other iwi, and a wide range of relationship redress with Crown agencies. That includes financial and commercial redress of $38 million, which will provide Ng\u0101ti Ranginui with an economic foundation to build a durable settlement. Of course, no amount of settlement can ever fully compensate for the losses suffered, but it does represent a commitment to establish a partnership that begins to restore the Crown relationship with Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and starts a new journey towards reconciliation and prosperity. I note this journey will include the Tauranga Moana iwi collective redress and natural resources arrangements over Tauranga Moana. Mr Kawe has reminded me that Ng\u0101ti Ranginui will not see the completion of their claims without that redress, and it will be provided for in future legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003EI heard the challenge this morning to inspire the rangatahi. That is the job not just of this Parliament but, of course, of all of us here in the House, and you on the marae, in your schools, in your homes, to inspire the next generation going forward. Our Government, of course, is committed to growing our economy so we can attain high living standards, by restoring law and order so people can feel safe in their communities, and to deliver great public services such as education, ensuring that our kids are going to school, getting a world-class education, and being prepared to succeed in the modern world. This, genuinely, I believe, is a land of opportunity. Sure, it\u2019s not perfect, but show me a country that is. And, yes, we\u2019ll have disagreements going forward\u2014of course we will. But the good thing is that we can talk to each other still, civilly, live in peace, and work through the challenges that we face.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253f86481-33c1-48b2-893b-c11cc0bd673d\u0022\u003ESo I firmly believe that the opportunity here is for Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui to enter a golden age in the years ahead. I commend this bill to the House. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022f98d3a8077b247e1ae8e7c01edeb343a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f98d3a8077b247e1ae8e7c01edeb343a\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u00227f4b1556c1034b96a1790641d5bcfb44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227f4b1556c1034b96a1790641d5bcfb44\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker. Ki a koutou Ng\u0101ti Ranginui i tae mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101, e mihi ana ki a koutou. E tika ana ki te maumahara ng\u0101 rangatira kua hinga. N\u014D reira moe mai moe mai moe mai r\u0101. Ka nui t\u0113n\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EKi a koutou te hunga tae mai nei, e mihi ana ki a koutou. E m\u014Dhio ana t\u0101tou katoa ki te mahi tinihanga o te Karauna. Me maumahara t\u0113n\u0101. Engari ko t\u0113nei te w\u0101 ki te whakatikatika t\u0113r\u0101 kaupapa. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E[To you, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, who have arrived here today, greetings to you. It is important to remember our esteemed leaders who have passed. And so, farewell and rest in peace. That\u2019s that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ETo you the people who have arrived here, greetings to you. We understand the deceiving act made by the Crown. Lest not forget that. But this is a time to rectify that. And so, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s good to have everyone here, and you would have heard all the k\u014Drero today supporting the kaupapa\u2014apart from Winston Peters, who went off on another tangent. I\u2019m not sure what kaupapa he was talking about today, but it certainly wasn\u2019t the bill. It was lovely to see him, though. He was a wonderful Tauranga MP, wasn\u2019t he? He was a wonderful Tauranga MP, and I had a bit of a k\u014Drero with him out there, but he certainly wanted to get that k\u014Drero out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge Dame Patsy here, for your tautoko for our various kaupapa and for being tremendous through the years, and our rangatira who are here today. It\u2019s really good to see you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EKiritapu Allan and Mita Ririnui, both former Labour MPs\u2014hopefully, still Labour MPs. It\u2019s good to see them, and they\u2019re here because of a very serious kaupapa, a kaupapa that is repeated time and time again in terms of what has happened to our people. Scorched-earth policy, the denial of the opportunity to advance tino rangatiratanga\u2014it\u2019s all the same. The theme is all the same, and you hear it time and time again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s why it\u2019s good to hear that k\u014Drero coming through, but I really did enjoy that k\u014Drero from\u2014who was our young man this morning? Te Pio, was it? He wasn\u2019t so young, actually, when I looked at him\u2014he looked a bit older than me! But he was asking for inspiration in terms of housing, health, and\u2014you know, \u201CInspire us: housing, health, education.\u201D I thought it was a good k\u014Drero. Well, have I got the party for you! And guess what! It\u2019s not the M\u0101ori Party; it\u2019s the Labour Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EBut I thought it was a great k\u014Drero, to get up after our whaik\u014Drero and challenge us about what the kaupapa are going forward, because there\u2019s only so much you can do. With these p\u016Btea or with a transfer of properties, there\u2019s only so much you can do. You can\u2019t have Governments who say, \u201CWell, there\u2019s the Treaty settlement, M\u0101oris. Now, go away.\u201D I heard that k\u014Drero this morning. It was a challenge we had to deal with when I was a Minister, when Kiritapu Allan was a Minister, and when Mita Ririnui was a Minister\u2014it\u2019s that \u201CHang on, it can\u2019t be just a Treaty settlement.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EI thought that was a tremendous k\u014Drero this morning, and that\u2019s why I\u2019d put it to the Minister: what are we going to do in terms of housing, what are we going to do in terms of health, what are we going to do in terms of education? That\u2019s what the people were saying\u2014that\u2019s what you\u2019re saying now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EBut we all come to these types of hui and we all behave and we don\u2019t put down challenges. Well, I\u2019m not one of those ones who behaves. I\u2019ve got to put down a challenge, too, to this Government over here, because the sad thing is we\u2019ve got a nation of M\u0101ori under attack\u2014let\u2019s not forget this. And I know that everybody says, \u201COh, kia whakakotahi m\u014D te kaupapa\u201D [unite for the cause], but, hang on, we\u2019ve got a Tribunal under attack, we\u2019ve got M\u0101ori health under attack.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f4b71d22ed6455bb5329ad7f7ba3f94\u0022\u003EJoseph Mooney\u003C/span\u003E: Not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ccfed93fd134036a103203b386af1a7\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CNot true\u201D\u2014\u201CNot true\u201D! We\u2019ve got a Treaty under attack, and shortly you\u2019ll hear from a party who are under attack\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224478157b0bf2414c9d191d3decb51a02\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Right, Mr Jackson\u2014the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022123944995f594a1eaf6c9186ff972c98\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: This is the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8711e65265441b6ad7299d17e33a566\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7a7bb4e0b6f42b0a16d827178b35587\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: This is the bill. I\u2019m talking about the bill and the ramifications coming from this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea0d17d2b53e4e369465f085994d1ef1\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b12f5cc91bf041afb2517c8b7af089ec\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m talking about the bill. I\u2019m talking about what\u2019s happening in terms of our people and what the flow-on is happening in terms of the bill. This was put on the floor this morning by our people. They put this on the floor in terms of: what is the future, where is the investment from the Government, and where are we going? It\u2019s only right\u2014I know what you\u2019re saying, Mr Speaker. You\u2019re talking about a bill, but what is the flow-on in terms of M\u0101ori society and what is the future for our people? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ENow, what I\u2019d say today is that you can\u2019t just apologise for the past and forget about what\u2019s happening now, surely\u2014surely, Mr Speaker\u2014and that\u2019s what our people are saying. So if you\u2019d heard the k\u014Drero this morning and the challenges this morning, the speakers in te reo M\u0101ori and in English\u2014I\u2019m only translating what I heard. I\u2019m sure the audience here would reiterate that, and they\u2019re saying, \u201CThis is all good and well, but what about our input? What about some investment? What about some follow-up? What about what\u2019s happening politically in this Parliament, in terms of certain members?\u201D\u2014that was in the k\u014Drero today. [Assistant Speaker gestures for member to resume seat] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ENo, I\u2019m not sitting down\u2014I\u2019m not sitting down. I\u2019m not sitting down. You don\u2019t walk over our kaupapa as it suits you, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7cd090dc6454754ba18d5130f8cc6b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7cd090dc6454754ba18d5130f8cc6b6\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave the House, Mr Jackson. [Interruption] Leave the House, Mr Jackson. Leave the House, Mr Jackson. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f56ceb084ab344c7ac51b9e97cd6cc52\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3585779f7344c25a0c895c2dfb0670f\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: No, there will be no point of order. Mr Jackson, in light of the\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson withdrew from the Chamber. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecf790ee6b604e2fadb77247da5e79ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecf790ee6b604e2fadb77247da5e79ae\u0022\u003EDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Mr Speaker. This kaupapa is about Te Tiriti. That is the only way that this settlement has come into the House. You should not be using this power to stop k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0101 t\u0101tou Tiriti\u2014Te Tiriti n\u014D te tino rangatiratanga [speaking about our Tiriti\u2014Te Tiriti in regards to tino rangatiratanga]. This is not an expertise that this House has. There is no grounds to be using your power to silence the voices of those who are here to tautoko this kaupapa today. That is out of line.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u00221b5d8959f60249ed8f58f9b7738c3c4d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221b5d8959f60249ed8f58f9b7738c3c4d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022 data-id=\u00220f7600e7b8ae4f2c9ef62bf99525ddbe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220f7600e7b8ae4f2c9ef62bf99525ddbe\u0022\u003ESTEVE ABEL (Green):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s a very unfortunate occurrence that\u2019s just happened, Mr Speaker, because you can well understand what it feels like for tangata whenua M\u0101ori when they come into this House, which is a House built only through the possibility of the agreement between tangata whenua M\u0101ori and the Crown in 1840. Every board in this House and no board in this House could stand but for that agreement. And you understand what it must feel like for M\u0101ori when one of their people is ejected from the House for speaking the truths that we all know to be true about the need for us to make proper amends for colonisation. And the purpose of this bill\u2014I believe it is utterly relevant to the bill; I agree with Debbie Ngarewa-Packer and I agree with Willie Jackson. We are speaking to the bill when we speak about what the future holds for Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EWhat I wanted to say was that when I talk to people who are not New Zealanders, who have not had the privilege and the blessing of being raised in the bosom of this land and at the generosity of tangata whenua M\u0101ori, I try to explain to them what M\u0101ori culture is and I say it is a host culture\u2014it is a host culture. If you show up on a marae, despite all the horrors of what has been done to M\u0101ori by colonisation, you will still get haere mai, haere mai, haere mai\u2014welcome, welcome, welcome\u2014and they will give you a cup of tea. First of all, they will hongi you. The hongi is an extraordinary greeting because it is where people touch faces\u2014the most intimate greeting. It\u2019s extraordinary as a cultural form; we share the breath of life, tihei mauri ora. They give you a cup of tea, they feed you more than you can eat, they sing you songs, and then they offer you a bed in the belly of their ancestor, in the wharenui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EThis is the generosity of tangata whenua M\u0101ori that we all, as tangata Tiriti, are the beneficiaries of. This is the generosity of Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui in their coming here today to assist in restoration of the dignity of the Crown. But we must assist in that restoration. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s New Zealand Music Month this month, and I think one of the most important songs written in the last 25 years was written 20 years ago by a guy called Dave Dobbyn. It\u2019s a song called \u201CWelcome Home\u201D, and the opening lyric is:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003ETonight I am feeling for you\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EUnder the state of a strange land\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EYou have sacrificed much to be here\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EThere for the graces I offer my hand\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EWelcome home\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003ELater in the song he says, \u201CYou\u2019ll find most of us here with our hearts wide open\u201D\u2014you\u2019ll find most of us here with our hearts wide open. And then he also says:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s a woman with her hands trembling\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EHaere mai\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EAnd she sings with a mountain\u2019s memory\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EHaere mai\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EThis is the kaupapa of tangata whenua M\u0101ori across this land. My mother, raised in Tauranga, was raised in the bosom of that love and generosity of the Tauranga Moana peoples, and I am eternally thankful for that blessing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EOne of the kaum\u0101tua today said that\u2014my paucity of understanding of te reo M\u0101ori, but I did pick up one thing he said: ng\u0101 kaupapa Papat\u016B\u0101nuku and te whenua [the subjects about Papat\u016B\u0101nuku and the land]. I recall that in 2011, shortly before the struggle against the Petrobras drilling in the Rauk\u016Bmara Basin, I went down to the beach of P\u0101p\u0101moa, where my mother had swum as a child, and we scraped the oil off the beach from the Rena oil spill, with the local iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EIt is my hope and my dream for our nation that we stand together and we stand for the restoration of Papat\u016B\u0101nuku, and that we recognise that together we are stronger. That is the pact and the bond of love, I believe, that was made in 1840 in the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and we must restore the true meaning and sense of that agreement to work together in mutual respect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EIn the words of Moana Jackson, that Treaty is a profound and visionary base upon which to build a country, and here, today, this settlement bill is about upholding Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It is about stepping us towards that profound and visionary nationhood. It is only possible in acknowledging the truth and the darkness of our history. It is only possible in us being with our hearts wide open and listening and paying attention and genuinely wanting to hear. Because Te Tiriti is a pathway to the relationship, but the relationship is the living thing. So we must uphold that relationship through listening and through respect. I commend this bill to the House. Kia ora koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022 data-id=\u002229f1ce1eeaa44673a99a563fc938037d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002229f1ce1eeaa44673a99a563fc938037d\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to rise and take this call for the third reading. You all saw my second reading speech, so I won\u2019t go on too long; I\u2019ll be respectful of the time and make sure we can get on to the planned activities afterwards. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EAt my second reading speech, I talked about my experience and touched on the history a little bit, and the present state of affairs. But what I actually do want to talk about is the future of Tauranga. Tauranga is an amazing part of New Zealand. It\u2019s the export hub. We have the port. We have the beaches. We have the people. We have a growing population of people who are outward-looking, who want to do well, who want New Zealand to be a thriving place and want the beating heart of the\u2014I call it the upper central North Island. Like we, in Tauranga, are where the future will be for New Zealand. But we have to get some things right. We have to get our incredibly expensive housing under control. We have to get our infrastructure sorted. We\u2019ve got a lot of things to fix when it comes to the public services in our area. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EMoves like this to recognise past wrongs, make amends, and set up post-settlement entities that are committed to the area to be brought in financially, brought in culturally, brought in spiritually, brought in as a community\u2014that\u2019s how we\u2019re going to grow and create a future for our people, of all stripes and whatever time they arrived. The only way we can do this is by being future-focused and thinking about where we\u2019re going.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EThe city has got a bright future. We have dark clouds; we have issues come through every now and again, but moves like this set up for the future is what we need to be doing. If you want to stand up and do a speech, as I\u2019m sort of touching on now, you should save it for a general debate speech. But what I\u2019m saying is that Tauranga with Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, with what you have come today to hear the Crown apologise for\u2014recognising the past and make settlements and plans for the future, is what we are trying to do. We are trying as a country, as a Parliament, to put New Zealand on the path to where we want to go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EI thank you for coming to this House today to hear our korero, to hear the Crown and every member of this House from every party stand up and talk to it. I thank you for the forgiveness that you\u2019ve shown, the welcome, and what you\u2019ve given to the people of Tauranga, including my family, and I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1a678a6a9994d7382116f3be806d6cf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1a678a6a9994d7382116f3be806d6cf\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Oceans and Fisheries):\u003C/span\u003E Hei t\u012Bmata ko te reo M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EE te iwi koutou kua tau mai ki te aroaro o te Whare P\u0101remata ki te pae o te Whare P\u0101remata nau mai haere mai. I roto i ng\u0101 mihi i puakina ai i te w\u0101 tuatahi o t\u0113nei tohe o t\u0113nei h\u012Bkoi o koutou i whakaingoatia ai ko te ingoa o t\u0113r\u0101 manukura o te w\u0101 n\u014D \u014Dku m\u0101tua a Maharaia Winiata. Me whakahua e au te ingoa \u014D t\u014D koutou m\u0101rohirohi a Maharaia. Me tana whakatauki \u201CIn\u0101 aro pai ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata ki ng\u0101 mea papai ka taea ng\u0101 mea papai\u201D. Me whaka\u016B e t\u0101tou i a t\u0101tou e k\u014Drero ana m\u014D te r\u0101 \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D, me p\u0113hea r\u0101nei te pai me p\u0113hea r\u0101nei ng\u0101 hua, me p\u0113hea r\u0101nei he tauira hou e whakar\u0101nea ai m\u0101 roto i t\u0113nei whakataunga kua oti i a koutou ka whakaeangia i t\u0113nei w\u0101. N\u0101 reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou Takitimu waka, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou M\u0101taatua waka, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou Arawa waka me te mahara ka wehe atu a Kahungunu i a m\u0101tou i roto i te Tai Tokerau ka noho ka awhiawhi ka hap\u016B k\u014D wai r\u0101nei, n\u0101 ko koutou ng\u0101 uri. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[I\u2019ll start my k\u014Drero in the M\u0101ori language. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003ETo you people who have arrived here to Parliament, to the debating chamber, welcome. During the first debate pertaining to this bill I spoke about that esteemed leader of yours, Maharaia Winiata. I shall make mention of that bloke of yours, Maharaia. And his saying as well: \u201CIf people focus on the good in things they will inherit good benefits\u201D. We need to instil this as we speak about the future and its benefits, its outcomes, and also what are the new possible avenues we can look in to within this settlement as it comes to fruition. And so, greetings to you Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, Takitimu waka, M\u0101taatua waka, Arawa waka and to also remember the eponymous ancestor Kahungunu who once lived in the northern region and slept around with who knows, and hence we have you the descendants.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI want to join and remind New Zealanders, remind the House, that this has been a very long journey for this particular tribe from Tauranga Moana. Hailing from Tai Tokerau, there are many connections in relation to this part of te ao M\u0101ori, but this day belongs to you people. This is a group of M\u0101ori leaders, wh\u0101nau, who made a decision, pragmatically, within the confines of what successive Governments have been prepared to stand up for. We will craft together, we will agree, to an endowment to take us forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EAs we must say at every single reading: this is only one step of the journey. We are a nation of 5\u00A0million\u00A0-\u00A0odd\u00A0people\u2014and, by the way, I belong to a party that doesn\u2019t like the notion of a big population\u2014I would remind everyone that these settlements, an act of pragmatism, settled, however, with the best of intentions, integrity, represent a t\u016B\u0101papa\u2014a platform\u2014to go forward on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t really want to recite the various elements of the history of Tauranga Moana from a M\u0101ori perspective, because that\u2019s been done. I want to talk a little bit about what needs to carry on. I look forward to working with the leaders of Tauranga Moana over a future for Pukehinahina, working with my colleagues, with the blessings, hopefully, of the senior members of the other side of the House, so those iconic sites are portrayed, are promoted, are accepted, as a key feature of what it means to belong to our country and recognise the past of our country in the context of that particular part of the Bay of Plenty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI also want to remind the House that there are quite a few marae down there that were the recipients of the Provincial Growth Fund. But the hap\u016B up there [Points to the gallery] forgot rule No. 1 in M\u0101oridom. Reciprocity: n\u0101ku te p\u016Btea m\u0101 koutou te p\u014Dti\u2014engari horekau koutou i p\u014Dti m\u014Dku [we have the money, you have the votes\u2014although you didn\u2019t vote for me]. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI\u2019m sure that the members that hail from this part of our motu know that there is an enormous amount of work to be done, but we are focused on upgrading infrastructure. Recently, I had the privilege of going and standing in that area with Waitaha and related people around the broader Tauranga area to ensure that, when Tauranga grows, when this area prospers\u2014because it is in the \u201Cgolden triangle\u201D\u2014that integrated and central to that journey are tangata whenua. That is why a Treaty settlement does represent leverage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t want to broaden our discussions beyond that, because, really, we should celebrate the fact that one of our smaller iwi\u2014and I too come from a smaller iwi: Ng\u0101i Takoto and Te Aup\u014Duri\u2014have made a courageous decision to move on from a chequered past which represents an imperfect history of our country. But our greatness lies in front of us, and with settlements of this nature, with willing fellow travellers, don\u2019t underestimate what we can do; and we need to do it together, because we are a small cork bobbing around in a broad, huge world, and unless we work together, unless we commit to share the responsibility of enriching our nation, the rest of the world does not owe us a living. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003EKi te hunga taketake koutou kua tat\u016B mai ki roto i te Whare i te rangi nei, ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou. T\u0101ria te w\u0101 m\u0101tou ka puta \u0101 tinana atu ki waenga tonu i a koutou t\u016B tahi, mahi tahi, kia ea i a t\u0101tou t\u0113tahi tauira hou e taea te whakawhanake \u0101-ng\u0101kau, \u0101-tinana, \u0101-wairua hoki. Kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E[To you who have come to this House today, salutations to you. In due time, we will come to you in person to stand together and work together to implement new solutions so that you develop physically, wholeheartedly, and in spirit as well. Thank you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022 data-id=\u002224520d53ace8433ba1da9bd5cdabcbbb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002224520d53ace8433ba1da9bd5cdabcbbb\u0022\u003ERAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave from the House to plead for another five minutes as I whakapapa to this iwi, and as their M\u0101ori representative in Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221947cb4cbaf3467688be50b827da19a0\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll put the leave. Leave is requested for a five-minute extension for Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori. Is there any objection? Yes, there is. So it\u2019s a five-minute call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6a5046095014bce80e99b197686f6b2\u0022\u003ERAWIRI WAITITI\u003C/span\u003E: How miserable. M\u014Drena t\u0101tou. Ka tangohia taku p\u014Dtae. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E[I take my hat off.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EI wear this p\u014Dtae in this House as an acknowledgment of my t\u016Bpuna that went to World War II\u2014Ng\u0101 Kaupoai [the Cowboys]\u2014as I see this place as the trenches of a modern-day war. Today, as our people sit in the gallery, the war comes to a halt as I acknowledge the years of sacrifice by this iwi. I\u2019m not going to call you a small iwi or a big iwi; you are an iwi with mana and you stand in that in your own right, as we do in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EI find it difficult today, as this will be the final speech before I also am ejected from this House. They continue to eject us from the House. Te Tiriti was a promise of k\u0101wanatanga over their own people. Article 2 was the assertion of our pre-existing rights to be undisturbed of our full and exclusive rights to our whenua, to our moana, to our k\u0101inga, to our taonga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EYou will receive 1 percent of your total due, and be told that this is full and final. This must never be full and final. The other 99 percent\u2014the door must be left open to our mokopuna to continue to fight. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EI will never apologise for what I do in this House, but I feel an apology to my people\u2014that you will be silenced for 21 days, when one of the most ruthless legislations will hit this House next week and a Budget that will ignore you. We don\u2019t need promises from any party in this House. We need economic autonomy. We need economic sovereignty. We need to be left alone to do what we need to do, to be undisturbed of our full and exclusive rights. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003ETika tonu ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a Willie. E k\u012B e k\u012B kua pan\u0101ia ia ki waho. I h\u0101menetia \u014D t\u0101tou m\u0101tua t\u012Bpuna. Kei te h\u0101mene tonu t\u0101tou i t\u0113nei r\u0101. T\u0101hae whenua, t\u0101hae moana, t\u0101hae mokopuna. Me p\u0113hea r\u0101 t\u0101tou e whakaatu ki te ao te mana kei a t\u0101ua te M\u0101ori. Ranginui maranga mai, maranga mai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E[What Willie said was correct. What a shame he has been ejected. Our ancestors were punished. And we are still punished today. Confiscating our lands, our waters, and our grandchildren. How are we to show our mana M\u0101ori to the world? Ranginui, rise up, rise up.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EThis Treaty claim mustn\u2019t be in vain of the many that didn\u2019t see this claim go through. Our mokopuna who are not yet born, we must declare to them that we will never be silent in this House and that haka is an elevation of our voice and the voices of our ancestors that have gone, our voices today, and the voices of our mokopuna that are to come. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003EKia kaua t\u0101tou e wareware ki t\u0113r\u0101. N\u014D reira e ng\u0101 uri o Te Rangihouhiri t\u0113n\u0101 koutou t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E[Let us not forget that. And so, descendants of Te Rangihouhiri, salutations to you, thank you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022 data-id=\u0022974c10f5db36496686ee4fc8681a16f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022974c10f5db36496686ee4fc8681a16f8\u0022\u003EBENJAMIN DOYLE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E E te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. E te wh\u0101nau wh\u0101nui o ng\u0101 hap\u016B me ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ki te whenua, ki te moana, ki ng\u0101 m\u0101unga ng\u0101 awa ng\u0101 ng\u0101here hoki o Tauranga Moana karanga mai, karanga mai, karanga mai. E t\u016B ana nei he uri n\u014D te Tai Tokerau. N\u014D Ng\u0101puhi nui tonu ahau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. Greetings to you the extended tribe and descendants of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. To the land, the ocean, the mountains, the rivers and the forests of Tauranga Moana, call upon us. I stand, a descendant of the Northland tribes. I am from all of Ng\u0101puhi.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EThe first time I visited Pukehinahina and Te Ranga P\u0101, I was taken there by Matua Tamati Tata, a kaumatua from Ng\u0101i Tamar\u0101waho of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. On that day, our ope stood silently in the rain, the tears of Ranginui soaking our cheeks as Matua Tamati shared testimony of what the land and its descendants had witnessed. I can recall with perfect clarity the crack of thunder, like the explosion of a cannon, punctuating our contemplation and fracturing time to transport us back a century and a half earlier to the so-called Battle of Gate P\u0101, as though the atua were demanding that we never forget that place or the people who belong to it or the theft of lands and lives at the hands of the Crown. Nothing can undo that mamae\u2014the pain and loss. No compensation will ever be enough, and for that I am so sorry. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EToday, Parliament will pass the Treaty settlement bill for Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and of course it is my great honour to stand on behalf of the Greens to express our support for its passage. Professor Joanna Kidman, of Ng\u0101ti Maniapoto and Ng\u0101ti Raukawa, and Dr Vincent O\u2019Malley wrote that \u201Cpublic and State memory can be fickle in settler nations and is often at odds with tribal memory\u201D. Iwi and hap\u016B histories must be honoured and told, not whitewashed or denied. Tangata whenua, through the ongoing machinations of colonisation, are continuously being gaslit into believing that our stories do not matter, when in fact they have been stolen and warped and sold to us as a lie or myth or shame.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EThe passing of this bill represents the remembering, reclaiming, and retelling of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui histories, by and for not only them, but for those who came before and those who are yet to arrive. It will restore ingoa M\u0101ori to places whose original names were erased or written over\u2014Te Wh\u0101ngai-a-Tamar\u0101waho, Te Hopuni, Huharua, and Te Wharepoti, to name a few. But the Crown will only return a fraction of the land ripped away through raupatu and the compensation offered could never match the mauri of the whenua which Ng\u0101ti Ranginui always were, rightly are, and will always be true descendants and custodians of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EToday does not mark a conclusion but, rather, the reset of a relationship between the Crown and Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui\u2014a commitment which, unless actualised and honoured, is mere lip service. That is why we, as representatives of the Crown, must always uphold our obligations and commitments to this relationship, as for over a century our predecessors have failed to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003ETo the descendants of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui who have gathered here or are listening from afar: thank you for your patience, your fight, your love, and your incredible grace. You have demonstrated what it means to lead with heart and spirit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003EI wish to conclude with the words of Dr Maharaia Winiata, who reminds us to hold on to the aspirations of our ancestors for something better and in doing so knowing everything is possible: \u201CIn\u0101 aro atu ana te oranga ki ng\u0101 mea pai, ka rere te wairua, ka taea ng\u0101 mea katoa.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d088ed10-ea30-49bf-892c-b67c5121038f\u0022\u003E[\u201CIf life is focused on the good things, the spirit will fly, everything becomes possible.\u201D]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022 data-id=\u002214c6918b2c0b48e8803831d258013575\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002214c6918b2c0b48e8803831d258013575\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. E te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, kia ora koutou katoa. One of the great aspects of Treaty settlements is the lack of partisanship shown in this House. All parties, as far as I know, have voted for and supported all Treaty settlements that have gone through this House\u2014all 102, if I\u2019m not mistaken. I have felt this this bipartisanship most acutely on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. Today is a day for this House to continue the spirit and tradition of non-partisanship, to pass the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101pu o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill, to acknowledge the wrongs of the Crown, and to begin a process of reconciliation, healing, and renewal, and to realise the promise of the people here today, the people of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, for our nation and for the promise of the Treaty of Waitangi\u2014to uphold and to live up to the articles in the Treaty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EA lot has been said today about the atrocities of the past. Today, it goes on record that this House acknowledges those atrocities. Part of this process is a redress package, which includes $38\u00A0million. I acknowledge what other speakers have said: no amount of redress can make up for the mamae and the loss that this iwi have felt over 161 years. But this redress will enable them to move forward, to begin that process to look to the future. What does that future look like? Well, that future certainly, as I understand, is about the revitalisation of te reo, the revitalisation of M\u0101ori culture, the social development, and economic development.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EWe have had speaker after speaker speak about the opportunities in the great area of Tauranga, of the Bay of Plenty, for the people of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. It is our hope, at least, collectively, that they can turn their attention to the future. I\u2019ve heard Ministers in this House say that they look forward to working with the iwi on their shared goals and aspirations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EI wish to acknowledge a number of people in this House. The first are Ministers Finlayson, Little, and Goldsmith. I also wish to acknowledge the local officials and negotiators as part of this process\u2014and Dame Patsy Reddy, it\u2019s nice to see you here today. Local MPs past\u2014Winston Peters\u2014and present. We\u2019ve got a number of local MPs\u2014my colleague Sam Uffindell, Tom Rutherford, Rawiri Waititi, and those past as well\u2014and my colleagues who were on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to look at this bill and examine it in more detail.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThis is a good day. This is a good day where we acknowledge the past and make amends for that so that we can move forward together as one people and as one nation. It is on that basis that I commend this bill to the House. No reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u00224a4f3f1bd601400b82dfbf1b5212846d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224a4f3f1bd601400b82dfbf1b5212846d\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker, and kia ora an\u014D. My colleague sitting beside me\u2014Shanan Halbert\u2014mentioned in his second reading speech that one of the jobs that we can do as politicians during these settlement bills is actually talk about some of the people and get their names on the Hansard. Somebody that I want to talk about a little bit here today has had, or had had, a long history of unifying Ng\u0101ti Ranginui over time. So I want to talk about a dear friend, a confidant, and leader, Dr Morehu Ngatoko Rahipere, who, along with many leaders of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, was a catalyst for the shepherding of this claim.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EMorehu was a driving force for the unification of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui in his time. He was a gentle and wise kaum\u0101tua whose guidance to me is something that I will always remember. I remember coming into my job as tumuaki at Merivale. I wondered for a bit what I\u2019d come to. But I remember the first meeting with Morehu, and I remember him giving me the OK\u2014\u201CYou\u2019ve got this. You\u2019ve absolutely got this.\u201D\u2014and I will never forget that. I\u2019ll never forget the gentleness and the wiseness, but I\u2019ll also never forget how strong he was as well and how he could make many of our parents quiver in their boots as he would just walk through our carpark. He was an amazing man.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI also remember when he found out that there had not been a p\u014Dwhiri or welcome for me at Merivale and he ensured that that was going to be rectified. So he arranged for a p\u014Dwhiri to happen at the Huria Marae because that was the first time that I had been there. I think, Graham, that was the first time he saw you and he said, \u201CYou\u2019ve brought someone really impressive along with you.\u201D So there\u2019s a lot that I remember very fondly from him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EHe was a descendant of Paraone Koikoi, whose son Ihakara was killed at the Battle of Gate P\u0101. It was Paraone Koikoi who was forcibly taken to Te Papa following the battle, to witness his land\u2019s confiscation. It was cut up and given to soldiers and surrendered M\u0101ori. Whilst it was clear that this deeply hurt Morehu, and the scars of this remained throughout his time, he had the fortitude to see the best in people, and his demeanour meant that if you were in his presence, you felt the impact beyond the words he expressed; more so the wairua he exuded.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EMorehu is the example of the potential for change, for the understanding and most certainly for tolerance, and I honour his family, his hap\u016B, his marae Huria and Wairoa, and his iwi that are here today as we finally deliver and participate in the second reading and third reading of the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EThat hurt that happened all those years ago is felt strongly throughout Tauranga Moana today. I saw that hurt. I saw so many young people who had lost touch with their identity and their whakapapa. I saw the result of that. I saw that those young people had lost hope in many ways of their future. But I also saw an iwi that were standing up and wanting to do the best going forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI do credit my time at Merivale as the best experience of my life. We knew that we had young people that had, through the hurts that happened so many years ago, lost their way a little bit. But we had a community there who worked alongside iwi to ensure that we could turn that around, and that is still happening within Tauranga Moana today. The settlement that we see here today is another step in the direction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EWhat we want for our mokopuna, our tamariki, and our rangatahi is a positive, bright future going forward, and I see that. I see that with the young people that we see coming through, and it is wonderful to have them here as part of this celebration\u2014this acknowledgment of the hurt but this celebration of this milestone of heading forward. But as we\u2019ve heard here today, this is not the end of the journey. This is still right near the start of the journey: the acknowledgment by the Crown of the hurt that has been caused, the redress and the work towards really supporting the iwi to become the amazing people that the world will see\u2014that we know they already are\u2014and to have that support of all of us around you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI still go through Tauranga and I go to events that happen, such as the commemoration of the Battle of Gate P\u0101 on 29 April every year. I always make sure I go to those events, because every single year I hear more about that history and more of that understanding, and I strongly believe that the more that we acknowledge the history, the more that we acknowledge the true history of what has happened, young people will have a different future because they\u2019re acknowledging the wrongs and the hurt that happened in the past and they take that into their brighter future going forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EI am happy to say that that is one of the things I\u2019m very proud about\u2014the Aotearoa history curriculum. And I will say that the Tauranga Moana iwi coming together and influencing the delivery of that in schools in the Tauranga Moana region is second to none. The work that you have done to facilitate that and support that is a shining example to the rest of Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti Ranginui, I speak humbly to you. You were written out of the history books for an uncompromising and staunch stance to protect your land, your language, and your culture. Despite generations of legislation passed in this House, and in local government buildings in your whenua, you have survived. You have planted and ignited that fire within your tamariki, your mokopuna, many of whom are here today. The mana and the mauri are there to be defiant, to be M\u0101ori, to be proud, and I salute you. You have a vision for your people to actively participate in all aspects of Tauranga Moana as mana whenua, in partnership with many others, including the Government, with a clear view to realising the dreams of your t\u012Bpuna, distant and recent, like Morehu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003ELet this day, this moment, this legislation provide you with that extra bit of respiration of your story to be etched in your memory for ever. But you don\u2019t need this House to give you that permission; in fact, we already know that you have never wavered. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003EMorehu, I remember and honour you. I shed a tear today, knowing you are smiling from ear to ear, seeing this day finally arrive. E te ngaro e te ngaro Ranginui, ka kitea ka kitea ka kitea\u2014Ranginui, who was, who is once lost by the hands of others is seen, is heard, and is present. Kia ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022824990945bac40499ad0bdf469bd4e53\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022824990945bac40499ad0bdf469bd4e53\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I call on Dan Bidois\u2014oh, my apologies. I call on Sam Uffindell. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022 data-id=\u002286b5752ceca24154b299757506e41e17\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286b5752ceca24154b299757506e41e17\u0022\u003ESAM UFFINDELL (National\u2014Tauranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285977d5b48634d468bdd1af46a6858be\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just a slight height difference there!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235fc366d27da4a5581a404e6506979f5\u0022\u003ESAM UFFINDELL\u003C/span\u003E: E ng\u0101 iwi, e ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 karangatanga maha.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E[To the authorities, to all the voices and the many involved.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s an honour to be able to rise and speak in favour in the third reading of the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill. I want to, once again, acknowledge everyone up here in the gallery: this is your day. To all of the elders here, this is a very special day. I know that there are a lot of people who won\u2019t be able to be here, they may have passed, they may be back home in Tauranga\u2014and kia ora to everyone there as well. I want to give a mention to the chair of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, Charlie Rahiri, and to all of his wh\u0101nau and to all of the different hap\u016B that are here for this claims settlement. And also, too, some of our elders that we see around the moana a lot: I won\u2019t call you out by name, but it\u2019s very good to have seen you here in the gallery and to have seen you for breakfast in the mihi whakatau earlier today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EAs I mentioned earlier, this is long overdue. I remember last year, with the Hon Jan Tinetti, we were there at St George\u2019s church, where they had the 160th commemoration of the Battle of Gate P\u0101 (Pukehinahina). It\u2019s quite incredible to think that everything that happened back there\u2014the confiscation of land, the loss of mana, the loss of the ability to make a living on the land\u2014it has taken 160 years to get us to be here in this House where the Crown is apologising and making redress for what has happened. While that is likely not to fulfil the damage or the hurt that did occur, it is, hopefully\u2014as was called out at the breakfast this morning\u2014an opportunity to start to repair and also to move forward and to take the opportunity that is, hopefully, there through this settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EAs part of the settlement, it does call for cultural redress, reserve management. There is a financial compensation of $38 million, a return of 15 sites of cultural significance, and also a redress of the relationship with Crown agencies. And as was called for, there is a desire that it doesn\u2019t just end here but there is a desire and a commitment to improve the relationship between the Crown and the Government and the hap\u016B and iwi here today. As I mentioned in the second reading, I give you my pledge that I will do more than what I have already done to help to build those relationships and to be closer to you, to learn more about what has happened, and to bring your voice back here into Government, as the member for Tauranga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EThere are some significant economic opportunities. When a member rose to speak at the breakfast, they said that your iwi want several things, but there was a quest for better education, a quest for better housing, and a quest for economic development opportunities. Those are three things that we all want. We need our young people to be educated so that they can have the best chance that they can have in life. We need more housing. We know in Tauranga how unaffordable housing is. It is the most expensive major city in New Zealand. And we need to make sure that we do a lot more, that that housing is provided and accessible for you and your families and your children so that they can have a proper shot at living a life of dignity and fulfilment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EAnd then there are the economic opportunities. I note that we have significant opportunities in the Bay of Plenty around kiwifruit. I was talking earlier today with Whetu Rolleston\u2014one of many Rollestons, no doubt, here in the gallery\u2014around the opportunities with kiwifruit, and M\u0101ori have a very vested interest in making sure that those can be realised. I do acknowledge that there have been some real challenges in M\u0101ori raising equity to upgrade or purchase orchards, because it constrains how M\u0101ori land is viewed, and that there is an existing inequity there that does need to be addressed. But there are big opportunities there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EThere are big opportunities in the seafood space around Tauranga Moana. I heard the former member from Tauranga\u2014the Rt Hon Winston Peters\u2014talk about the Port of Tauranga and the considerable opportunities. I would echo his wish that divestment by Bay of Plenty Regional Council is picked up and kept in local hands as much as possible. I\u2019m glad to see some nodding heads in the audience on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003ELook, I want to acknowledge everyone who has helped make today happen. Dame Patsy Reddy has also been mentioned a number of times already. The previous Ministers Finlay and Little, and today the Hon Paul Goldsmith, and all of the rangatira here today that have fed into this process to make it a reality. This is your day. This is an historic day for Tauranga Moana; for Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, for your hap\u016B, and for your iwi; and, as I see the pictures up there being held in the gallery, your t\u016Bpuna\u2014I\u2019m sure that they would have wanted to be here and I\u2019m sure they are here in spirit to see this settlement occur.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003ELook, it is an honour to be able to speak in favour of this bill. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u0022076052249d4c4d7d9b95bfd787f2be45\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022076052249d4c4d7d9b95bfd787f2be45\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EKa tangi te titi ka tangi te k\u0101k\u0101 ka tangi hoki ahau, tihei mauri ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou ng\u0101 hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, he mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThe titi cries, the k\u0101k\u0101 cries, and so do I, \u2019tis the breath of life. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThis is the acknowledgment to the people of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. A warm greeting to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EAs we come together today in this third and final reading of your bill, it is good that we discuss, as well, the claims that you bring within this bill, what that represents in the Treaty relationship going forward, and, as this House continues to grapple with what that Treaty relationship looks like, in the way our tikanga plays out in the Whare and how we bring this House into being also a marae of ways\u2014that\u2019s how I consider it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EWhen this House is considering Treaty settlement bills, we take on a different \u0101hua, we take on a different way, and we accommodate, as much as we possibly can, in the constraints of what we are, to provide a forum where two peoples can come together to understand and connect. We\u2019re still evolving as we grapple with that, but I think it is important to note that that is part of what the ongoing Treaty relationship is. It is understanding and working together as much as we possibly can, and it is having that door open to ongoing conversation which I believe is the ongoing Treaty relationship, which will always continue to be a struggle but it is having that door open, it is having that dialogue available, and being able to openly talk to each other, which embodies the Treaty relationship and how it will go forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EAs part of that, I think it is important that we are able to discuss not only the historical claims that are a part of this bill but how they impact on the future, in those contemporary claims, such as what housing will be provided for your iwi, what the job opportunities are, and what are the hauora services that are going to continue to work within your communities. Those are just as relevant today as the historical claims that are in this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EI would like to acknowledge that, yes, this bill is important for the redress it carries\u2014the financial redress of $38 million, the cultural redress of those name changes, those w\u0101hi tapu, those important elements, and also the apology from the Crown. But what is that apology if it does not have a genuine commitment to an ongoing Treaty relationship\u2014that is how we conduct ourselves in this House, on this day, and how we take ourselves forward into the next steps. Because it is on our shoulders right now in terms of how we create a future for the future generations of M\u0101ori and P\u0101keh\u0101 and everybody else in New Zealand. It\u2019s on our shoulders right now how we conduct ourselves to pave that way forward for the next generation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EI\u2019m so proud to be here today. I\u2019m humbled to be part of this chapter of history. But there is a long way for us to go\u2014a long way. I wish you all the very best, from the bottom of my heart, and all the best in your future ongoing endeavours and aspirations\u2014wawata katoa. He mihi mahana ki a koutou. He mihi aroha ki a koutou. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou t\u0113n\u0101 koutou t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E[A warm greeting to you all. And a heartfelt greetings to you all. So then, greetings, greetings, greetings to us all.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022 data-id=\u0022d9b8097cbee642b58909781c09e73d0d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d9b8097cbee642b58909781c09e73d0d\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise as we enter in the final stages of the third reading of this very important kaupapa today, the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill. Thank you to the House for giving me this opportunity to make my contribution to what is a historical day, as we\u2019ve heard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EJust a recap on what\u2019s going to be going forward after today\u2014the main provisions of the bill: there are provisions for cultural redress; financial and commercial redress of $38\u00A0million\u2014nowhere near what you\u2019ve lost, but it\u2019s something; the return of 15 sites of cultural significance; two properties of cultural significance vested jointly with other iwi; and relationship redress with Crown agencies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EMr Speaker, a colleague from across the House earlier read out part of the apology, and, if you don\u2019t mind, I\u2019d also like to read part of it as well, the apology in the bill. It says: \u201CThrough this apology the Crown seeks atonement for the wrongs of the past and to establish a new relationship with the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui based on mutual trust, cooperation, and respect for \u2026 the Treaty of Waitangi\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to draw the attention of the House very briefly, if I may, to a public hearing that took place yesterday as part of our M\u0101ori Affairs Committee mahi. It was the report of the Controller and Auditor-General with respect to how public organisations are fulfilling Treaty settlements. I\u2019d encourage members of the public to read this, especially in light of when we\u2019re talking about going forward with our Treaty settlements and the obligations. It was quite confronting and quite damning, if I\u2019m allowed to say that, Mr Speaker. And I know that members of the committee were determined to help and to do whatever we can to make sure that obligations are met going forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EMy colleague Tom Rutherford, the MP for the Bay of Plenty, who is sitting beside me\u2014very young but very wise\u2014in his second reading speech spoke about the patience, thanking our Tauranga wh\u0101nau here today for your patience. When we think about this patience, what are we talking about? We\u2019re talking about over 150 years of patience. And if I was to think of a picture, it\u2019s almost like you\u2019ve been chiselling away\u2014chiselling away at a sculpture where the medium making up the sculpture is your tears, and the tears of those before you. It\u2019s almost like it\u2019s been bound together with immense heartache. I\u2019m so sorry. I\u2019m sorry that you came here today for just a little bit of closure, and yet what you saw was a shameless display of disrespect for what you\u2019ve been through, and theatrics.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EThank you for constantly teaching me, a person that was born in Australia to parents from Lebanon, who has my own issues with countries around Lebanon that have tried to overtake Lebanon and crush our language and our culture. Thank you for teaching me patience and thank you for teaching me that forgiveness is actually never ending, because that\u2019s constantly what I feel with every Treaty settlement that we try to progress. Yes, there\u2019s a lot of flaws, as we can see by this report, but I know that I and a lot of my colleagues are trying.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003ESo God bless you as you go forward, and God bless the other two iwi with their progression in gaining some type of settlement. And I pray for all of you going forward that your mokopuna can reap some rewards from what\u2019s happening today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003EI commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u0022e16bbe905782430282cf34c76f088cb1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e16bbe905782430282cf34c76f088cb1\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E K\u0101ti e te Whare, kua w\u0101w\u0101hia e \u014Dku tuakana e Charlie e t\u014Dku p\u0101p\u0101 e T\u0101mati ng\u0101 whakapapa here o \u014Dku rahi o Te Tai Tokerau ki roto i a koutou o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. N\u014D reira e mihi kau atu ana ki a koutou, otir\u0101 ki a t\u0101tou katoa kua tau iho mai ki runga i te kaupapa kua whakak\u0101hui ai t\u0101tou i te r\u0101 nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa huri atu ki a koe kei taku p\u0101p\u0101 e Turi. Me taku tangi m\u014Dteatea ki t\u014D p\u0101p\u0101, ki a Kihi kua roa rawa e takahi nei i te nukuroa ki roto i au o Te Tai Tokerau. Me t\u0101na k\u014Drero ki \u014Dku iwi, ki \u014Dku rahi, \u201CKia \u016B ki te mana motuhake o te hap\u016B. Tirohia ki ng\u0101 painga o t\u0113n\u0101 wh\u0101nau, o t\u0113n\u0101 wh\u0101nau kia t\u016B pakari mai ai ko ng\u0101 hap\u016B ki roto i ng\u0101 mahi kei mua i te aroaro.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EE taku p\u0101p\u0101, e Kihi, hoki wairua mai ki roto ki w\u0113nei k\u014Drero. E taku tuakana e Frank, ka rere ng\u0101 mihi me ng\u0101 roimata ki t\u014D p\u0101p\u0101, ki a Huik\u0101kahu. Te hunga n\u0101 r\u0101tou t\u0113nei kaupapa i k\u014Dkiri ki roto ki ng\u0101 tau maha kua pahure ake nei. N\u0101 r\u0101tou ng\u0101 mamae me ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a ng\u0101 m\u0101tua t\u016Bpuna i k\u014Dkiri kei m\u014Dnenehu ki te p\u016B o mahara, kia korikori tonu nei ki runga i te rae o t\u0113n\u0101, o t\u0113n\u0101 o t\u0101tou e tau nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira te hunga wairua, te hunga mate ki a koutou, haere, haere, haere. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u0101 ka whakahokia mai ng\u0101 r\u0101rangi k\u014Drero ki a t\u0101tou me t\u0101 t\u0101tou kaupapa, e te iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI a au e rangahau ana i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113nei kaupapa, kaua m\u014D te kawenga o te ker\u0113me m\u014D ng\u0101 tau tata kua pahure ake nei, engari ka hoki waku mahi rangahau ki roto ki te taima o t\u014Dku tupuna o Tau Henare. N\u0101 i te tau 1927, i puta mai te ripoata e k\u012Bia nei ko te Sim inquiry. N\u0101 i taua taima ko t\u014Dku tupuna a Tau Henare he mema o t\u0113nei Whare. Ka t\u016B mai taku tupuna me t\u0101na k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113r\u0101 kaupapa i rangahau i ng\u0101 t\u016Bkinotanga a te K\u0101wanatanga ki runga i a koutou o Tauranga Moana. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAnei te k\u014Drero a t\u014Dku tupuna, a Tau Henare. Hei t\u0101na, \u201CKo ng\u0101 kino o te K\u0101wanatanga an\u014D nei he waikura; ka kore e moe, ka kore e mutu.\u201D Ne? Ka waiho atu au i t\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drero ki runga i a t\u0101tou katoa i te r\u0101 nei. N\u0101 ko taua tau r\u0101, an\u0101, ko te 1927. An\u0101, anga mai ki t\u0113nei w\u0101 tonu, te t\u016Bnga mai o tana mokopuna tuarua ki roto i t\u0113nei Whare, kua kitea kei te p\u0113r\u0101 tonu. E tika ana w\u0101na k\u014Drero ki t\u0113nei Whare, otir\u0101 ki te katoa i taua taima, i te tau 1927. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira e aku rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101, kua k\u014Dkirihia n\u0101 koutou i t\u0113nei kaupapa kia \u016Bngutungutu i ng\u0101 \u014D ngotongoto kia pakari ai ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui ki roto i ng\u0101 tau maha kei mua i a koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKoin\u0101 t\u0101ku e hari nei; koin\u0101 t\u0101ku e p\u014Duri nei. E p\u014Duri nei. Kua rongo atu koutou katoa ki te \u0101huatanga o \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kei roto i t\u0113nei Whare. E hoa, ko te mahi a w\u0113tahi hei w\u0101w\u0101hi i ng\u0101 take M\u0101ori kia noho ki t\u0113nei pouaka, ki t\u0113r\u0101 pouaka. Engari o te ao o te M\u0101ori, e tika ana te k\u014Drero, an\u0101, ko ng\u0101 kokonga o te whare ka kitea, engari ko ng\u0101 kokonga o te ng\u0101kau ka kore e kitea. N\u0101 i te r\u0101 nei kua rongo koutou i te ng\u0101kau o \u0113tahi o m\u0101tou e h\u0101ngai p\u016B atu ana ki ng\u0101 kaupapa e k\u014Dkirihia nei e te Whare i te r\u0101 nei, an\u0101 ko t\u0101 koutou take kei mua i te aroaro o te K\u0101wanatanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKei te kapo ake au i \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 kupu i rangona e m\u0101ua ko taringa i te ata nei. An\u0101 ko te k\u012B a t\u014Dku tuakana, a Te Pio i te rahi i tae mai ki mua i te aroaro o Te \u0100tiawa i te ata nei, me tana hiahia m\u0101 t\u0113nei Whare \u0113tahi mahi hei whakaohooho ake i a t\u0101ua te M\u0101ori, hei whakaihiihi ake i \u0101 t\u0101tou rangatahi, i \u0101 t\u0101tou tamariki mokopuna. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D ka t\u016Bohu t\u0113nei Ng\u0101puhi ki mua i a koutou, me te k\u012B atu e ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, e hoa, ko koutou k\u0113 \u0113n\u0101 i whakaohooho nei i a au, whakaihiihi nei i a au. Kia tiro atu an\u014D au ki roto i a au an\u014D o Te Tai Tokerau kei te anga p\u0113hea m\u0101tou ki hea? N\u0101, koutou t\u0113n\u0101 i takahi nei i t\u0113nei huarahi, para nei i t\u0113nei huarahi mai i te w\u0101 o \u014D t\u0101tou m\u0101tua t\u016Bpuna tae noa ki t\u0113nei w\u0101. E kara e Te Pio, e mihi atu ana ki a koe me \u014D k\u014Drero hei whakaaweawe, hei whakaohooho ake i a t\u0101ua te M\u0101ori ki ng\u0101 mahi nui kei mua i te aroaro o t\u0113n\u0101 iwi, o t\u0113n\u0101 iwi, o ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui i te r\u0101 nei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira e \u014Dku rangatira, kua kite atu ahau i te \u0101huatanga o \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 w\u0101w\u0101hitanga ki roto i te pire, me taku hari kua whakahokia atu ng\u0101 w\u0101hi whenua ki a koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI rangona e m\u0101ua ko taringa i te r\u0101 nei te k\u014Drero a t\u014Dku matua, a te H\u014Dnore a Shane Jones, e p\u0101 ana ki te whenua r\u0101, i tau te pakanga ki runga o Pukehinahina, me tana tono mai ki t\u0113nei taha o te Whare, an\u0101 ko ng\u0101 mema matua, ng\u0101 mema teitei o t\u0113nei taha o te Whare hei tautoko atu i ng\u0101 wh\u0101inga o koutou, me tana tautoko ake i te kaupapa o Pukehinahina. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EE te Whare, i k\u014D atu i te 10 tau ki muri, ko au te heamana o te kaupapa Homai He R\u0101. Ko au te heamana i k\u014Dkiri i ng\u0101 take katoa e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 w\u0101hi pakanga i te w\u0101 o \u014D t\u0101tou m\u0101tua, \u014D t\u0101tou t\u016Bpuna. I taua w\u0101 tonu ko au te heamana o te p\u0101 pakanga, a Ruapekapeka, i Te Taitokerau. An\u0101, i noho tahi m\u0101tou katoa ko koutou, te hunga o \u014Cr\u0101kau, o Pukehinahina me ng\u0101 w\u0101hi huri, huri noa i te motu wh\u0101nui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI reira m\u0101tou, ka k\u014Dkirihia te kaupapa, me te k\u014Drero, \u0101e, me tautoko tonu te whakahokinga mai o te whenua, ka tahi. Me te whakapakari ake, me te hahu ake an\u014D i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a \u014D t\u0101tou m\u0101tua t\u016Bpuna, ka rua. An\u0101 me \u016B tonu ki te tapu me te mauri o aua w\u0101hi m\u014D \u0101 t\u0101tou mokopuna tamariki \u0101 taihoa ake nei. Koia ko ng\u0101 wh\u0101inga i taua w\u0101, ar\u0101, koia ko ng\u0101 wh\u0101inga tonu i t\u0113nei w\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira kia kapo ake ahau i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a taku p\u0101p\u0101, a Shane Jones, ar\u0101 ki t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare me te wero m\u014D te \u0101huatanga ki a Pukehinahina. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EK\u0101ti e aku rangatira, kua roa rawa t\u0101 koutou h\u016Bnuku mai i te nukuroa kia tau iho mai ki runga ki t\u0113nei Whare, k\u0101re e kore he nui tonu ng\u0101 mahi kei mua i \u014D koutou aroaro hei oranga m\u014D \u0101 t\u0101tou tamariki mokopuna \u0101 taihoa ake nei. Engari kei te tika ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a \u0113tahi o m\u0101tou o t\u0113nei Whare. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EM\u014D te \u0101huatanga ki te Tiriti o Waitangi, ka kore e oti noa, ka kore e pau i te wera o te r\u0101, engari ka \u016B tonu ki te ng\u0101kau me te whatumanawa o t\u0113n\u0101, o t\u0113n\u0101 o koutou; o t\u0113n\u0101, o t\u0113n\u0101 o t\u0101tou. N\u014D reira me p\u0113r\u0101 tonu ka tika. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EKa mutu ka tiro atu ahau ki te toenga o taku taima, n\u0101 kua k\u014Drero atu ahau m\u014D te \u0101huatanga ki te k\u0101meta: ka kitea ki t\u0113r\u0101 taha o te Whare, engari ka kore e kitea ki t\u0113nei taha o te Whare. Kei te m\u014Dhio a Turi ki taku whakapapa ki a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 pea ko te huarahi tika kia t\u012Bkina atu e Peeni t\u0113tahi k\u0101meta m\u014Dku, an\u0101 ki roto i taku poraka whenua kei roto i te ingoa o t\u014Dku tupuna, a T\u0101peka, m\u014D \u0101na hea kei roto i ng\u0101 poraka whenua kei roto i a koutou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 pea te huarahi tika kia t\u012Bkina atu e au taku k\u0101meta hei kawenga ki roto i t\u0113nei Whare me ng\u0101 kaupapa maha huri, huri noa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EK\u0101ti, e aku rangatira, me p\u0113nei pea taku k\u014Drero whakamutunga ki a t\u0101tou katoa i te r\u0101 nei: ko \u0113nei k\u014Drero ka whakairihia ake r\u0101 ki te t\u0101huhu k\u014Drero o Ranginui e t\u016B nei, ka poupoua ki roto i a Papat\u016B\u0101nuku e wh\u0101rikihia nei. Ka tirohia ki ng\u0101 pae maunga, ki ng\u0101 awa whakatere taniwha, ki ng\u0101 awa me ng\u0101 tapuwae a \u014D t\u0101tou m\u0101tua t\u016Bpuna hei paraninga ki te rae m\u014D te hunga o n\u0101ianei me te hunga o \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D. Ka wh\u012Btikina ki te ora, ka wh\u012Btikina ki te oranga tonutanga o t\u0101ua te iwi M\u0101ori, o ng\u0101 hap\u016B maha o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETuruturu \u014Dwhitiwhiti, whakamaua kia tina. Haumi e, hui e, t\u0101iki e. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E[Well, to the House, my senior Charlie and my uncle T\u0101mati have already opened the genealogies that bind my people of Northland to you, Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. Therefore I greet you, indeed all of us that have arrived here on the item that has brought us all together today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI turn to you, my uncle Turi. We should grieve for your father, for Kihi, who journeyed across the land to my people, to Northland, for a long time. And his statement to my iwi, to my people, \u201CHold fast to the self-determination of the hap\u016B. Look to the advantages of each family so that the hap\u016B may stand strong in the endeavours before you.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETo my uncle Kihi, return in spirit to these discussions. To my senior Frank, condolences and tears flow to your father, to Huik\u0101kahu. To those who progressed this initiative for so many years past, those who pushed through the anguish and progressed the words of our forebears and ancestors so they are not relegated to the memory banks, so that they remain in motion across the front of mind of each of us here. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAnd so, to the souls of the departed, rest in peace. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ELet the focus of my statements now return to us and our work, people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAs I researched the information regarding this subject, not for the passage of the claim in recent years past, but my research efforts within the time of my ancestor Tau Henare. Now, in 1927, the report was produced that was known as the Sim inquiry. Now, at that time my ancestor, Tau Henare, was a member of this House. My ancestor stood to speak on that initiative to research the abuses of the Government on you, Tauranga Moana. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EHere is the speech of my ancestor Tau Henare. According to him, \u201CThe evils of the Government are like rust; they don\u2019t sleep, they don\u2019t end.\u201D Right? I will leave that statement for all of us today. That was on that day\u2014i.e., in 1927. Now we address this particular time, and the rising of his great-grandchild in this House, it can be seen that things are just the same. His comment to this House is true, indeed for all of that time, in 1927. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAnd so, to my noble leaders, you have progressed this work so that delectable fruits may cascade to strengthen all the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui over the many years before you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThat is what pleases me; that is also what saddens me. Saddens me. You have all heard the nature of some of the comments within this House. My friend, what some would do is split off the various M\u0101ori issues to sit within this box and that box. But the world of the M\u0101ori, the statement is true\u2014i.e., the corners of the house can be seen, but the corners of the heart are never seen. And so today you have felt the heart of some of us regarding the work being progressed by the House today, and your issue that is before the Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI will take some of the words that my ear and I heard this morning. That is the comment of my senior, of Te Pio, when many of you arrived before Te \u0100tiawa this morning, and his desire that this House might endeavour to rouse us, the M\u0101ori people, and energise our young people, our children and grandchildren. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EHowever, this Ng\u0101puhi bows before you, and says to all hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, my friend, you indeed are the ones that rouse me, and that energise me. Let me take a look at myself, at Northland, where are we heading to? Well it has been you that walked this path, and that blazed this path since the time of our forebears and ancestors right up until this time. My friend Te Pio, I acknowledge you and your comments that inspire and arouse us, the M\u0101ori people, for the great endeavours before each of the iwi and all of the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAnd so, my noble leaders, I have seen the nature of some of the sections within the bill, and I am happy that land assets have been returned to you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EMy ear and I heard today the speech of my uncle the Hon Shane Jones regarding that land, where war came to Gate P\u0101, and his appeal to this side of the House\u2014i.e., the senior members, the prominent members of this side of the House to support your aspirations, and his support of the initiative of Pukehinahina. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETo the House, over 10 years ago, I was the chairperson of initiative Homai He R\u0101. I was the chairperson that progressed all of the issues regarding the battle site in the time of our forebears and ancestors. At that particular time, I was the chairperson for the battle fortress Ruapekapeka, in Northland. Now, we sat together with you, the people of \u014Cr\u0101kau and Pukehinahina and similar sites all across the country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EThere we were, progressing the initiative, and discussing, yes, and supporting the return of land, in the first instance. And also strengthening and resurrecting the narratives of our forebears and ancestors, in the second instance. And also maintaining the sanctity and life force of those places for our grandchildren and children in the future. Those were the goals at that time\u2014i.e., those remain the goals at this time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ETherefore, I take the statements of my uncle Shane Jones\u2014i.e., to our House and the challenge with respect to Gate P\u0101. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWell, noble leaders, you have been traversing the length of the land for a long time now to come to this House, without doubt there is much to be done before you for the benefit of our children and grandchildren to come. However, the statements of some of us of this House are true. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWith regard to the Treaty of Waitangi, it will never truly end, it will not be burnt up in the heat of the sun, but it will remain in the heart and soul of each of you, of each of us. And so it is appropriate that it be so. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EFurthermore, as I look to the remainder of my time, I have spoken about the factors surrounding the scarf; it can be seen on that side of the House, but it can\u2019t be seen on this side of the House. Turi knows my genealogy to you. Perhaps the right pathway for Peeni to access a scarf for me, now, is through my land block in the name of my ancestor, T\u0101peka, and his shares in the land block amongst you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EPerhaps that is the right pathway for me to access my scarf to carry within this House and the many initiatives surrounding it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWell, my leaders, perhaps my closing statement to all of us this day should be this: these are the discussions that will be suspended on the apex ridge of heaven above, and embedded within the earth spread out below. Look to the mountain ranges, to the rivers of our spiritual guardians, to the rivers and the footsteps of our ancestors and forebears to be immortalised in memory for those of today and those of tomorrow. To be bound by wellbeing, to be bound by eternal health of us, the M\u0101ori people, and the many hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ELet it be realised, let it transcend, and be bound tight. It coalesces, it assembles, it is done.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022 data-id=\u002220d54c3201684c7fb94cf71b54c2ddd0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002220d54c3201684c7fb94cf71b54c2ddd0\u0022\u003ETOM RUTHERFORD (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I look up to my friends in the gallery and I reassure you that I\u2019m the last speaker. I\u2019m the last politician you\u2019re going to have to hear from today, talking before we actually see the action. And so I say: thank you so much for sitting in the gallery for the last nearly three hours, listening to the debate, speaking about your home, what this means, what it means for you going forward. So I say: thank you so much for putting up with all of us and coming to spend time with us, and I\u2019m the lucky last. I hope they\u2019ve saved the best till last, but you\u2019ll be the judge of that\u2014you\u2019ll be the judge of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EI do rise to speak on the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill, now at its third and final reading. I just want to quickly thank Neil Te Kani, who is watching from Tauranga and sent me a text and thanked me for my speech in the second reading. And I say thank you to Neil because I wear a pounamu every day that he gave to me and blessed for me. So thank you, Neil, for doing that on my behalf.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a privilege to witness this momentous occasion, the culmination of a journey that began long before this legislation was first introduced nearly a decade ago. In my speech during the second reading, I outlined the history of this bill and the significance of the settlement for Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. Today, as we prepare to pass this legislation into law, I want to reflect on what it means for our region and for New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EFirst, I wish to acknowledge once more the representatives of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui who have journeyed to be with us today, and those who have worked tirelessly throughout this lengthy process. Your patience, persistence, and commitment to your people has brought us to this moment. The settlement we are finalising today addresses historical injustices that have shaped our region for generations. The raupatu of 1864, the undermining of hap\u016B authority, and the systematic alienation of land\u2014these actions by the Crown violated the Treaty of Waitangi and created wounds that have endured across generations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EAs the bill completes its passage through Parliament, we\u2019re not just transferring assets or making financial redress; we\u2019re acknowledging the truth, restoring mana, and creating opportunities for genuine healing and development. For the 14,928 people who affiliate to Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, more than half who are under the age of 30, the settlement represents not just closure for historical grievances but a platform for future aspirations. The $38\u00A0million redress, the return of culturally significant sites, and the establishment of meaningful relationships with Crown agencies will establish Ng\u0101ti Ranginui to build on their vision for cultural revitalisation and economic development.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EThroughout the progress of this bill, I\u2019ve been heartened by the spirit of kotahitanga, demonstrated by all involved. The agreement of Ng\u0101i Te Rangi and Ng\u0101ti P\u016Bkenga to allow the settlement to proceed independently speaks to the mutual respect and the understanding among the iwi of Tauranga Moana. The unanimous support from the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee and the broad cross-party backing for this legislation reminds us that Treaty settlements transcend political divisions. When we work together to address historical injustices, we strengthen the foundations of our nation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EWith the passage of this bill, the Crown\u2019s formal apology will be enshrined in law, acknowledging the specific breaches of the Treaty and expressing genuine remorse for the suffering caused. As one of the Bay of Plenty MPs, I\u2019ve witnessed the profound impact that unresolved Treaty claims have had on our communities. The finalisation of this settlement removes a significant barrier to progress and creates space for new opportunities. I\u2019m particularly excited about what this means for the hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, and others, who have maintained their strength despite generations of challenges. The settlement provides tools and resources to support their cultural, social, and economic aspirations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EWhile this settlement marks the end of a long legal process, it truly is a beginning. It establishes a foundation for the future relationship between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti Ranginui, one based on partnership, respect, and shared prosperity. As we conclude the legislative process, I acknowledge those who have contributed to bringing this settlement to fruition: the negotiators, the trustees, Crown officials, parliamentarians past and present, and the many community members who have supported this journey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EThe settlement is a testament to the enduring strength and vision of Ng\u0101ti Ranginui. It\u2019s also a reminder of our collective responsibility to honour the Treaty of Waitangi and to build a more just and equitable New Zealand. It\u2019s with great pride that I support the third and final reading of the Ng\u0101 Hap\u016B o Ng\u0101ti Ranginui Claims Settlement Bill. May it serve as another step towards healing, reconciliation, and shared prosperity for all New Zealanders. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EWaiata\u2014\u201CE rongo\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003EHaka\u2014\u201CTe haka o Ranginui\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022b95452fc5e3c4205bddd0f31a60e1f0f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b95452fc5e3c4205bddd0f31a60e1f0f\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The House is suspended, and will resume at 2 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 12.58 p.m. (Thursday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025051495854e1414294f71bef49f4912701721000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"