"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223b4d0103205240a38826885e4d77fd3e\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 3 JUNE 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bc132173a29e43989ff5108646d645ee\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 3 JUNE 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2\u00A0p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fed3401051194a3795478098cb1c8dc8\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022face73eeae194a50be69b56bbf1db6d5\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022db7fcb82-2c50-44e1-9f32-d9138c14006e\u0022 data-id=\u002256491f6be12d45908be35aeb647cf432\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db7fcb82-2c50-44e1-9f32-d9138c14006e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002256491f6be12d45908be35aeb647cf432\u0022\u003ELEMAUGA LYDIA SOSENE (Labour\u2014M\u0101ngere):\u003C/span\u003E Tatou ifo ma tatalo. Le Atua Silisili ese e, matou tesulaina lau Afio mo fa\u2018amanuiaga ma tofi ua e fa\u2018au\u2018uina ai i matou. E lafoa\u2018i ni o matou lagona ma manatua ta\u2018ito\u2018atasi i le amana\u2018iaina o le Tupu o Peretania. Matou te tatalo ina ia tonu ma fa\u2018amaoni fuafuaga ma fa\u2018ai\u2018uga uma i totonu o lenei Maota Fono. Ia talosia ta\u2018ita\u2018i o lenei M\u0101l\u014D ina ia maua le t\u014Df\u0101 mamao, le fa\u2018apalepale ma le agamal\u016B, au\u0101 le manuia ma le filem\u016B o Niu Sila. O le matou tatalo lea, e ala atu i le suafa pele o Iesu Keriso. Amene.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bd555150edfd45f2bb1e79f7288f9c37\u0022\u003ESpeaker\u2019s Observations\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d19d4347699b4983b0809293633f9985\u0022\u003ERt Hon Jim Bolger\u201490th Birthday\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u00220c2be8627f0d491895a23e3a91e5f4ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220c2be8627f0d491895a23e3a91e5f4ac\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Members, on 31 May this year, the Rt Hon Jim Bolger ONZ celebrated his 90th\u00A0birthday. Jim Bolger was a member of this House from 1972 to 1998. He served as Leader of the Opposition and was Prime Minister for seven years, before his retirement from this House. Post-Parliament, he served as New Zealand\u2019s Ambassador to the United States and, after that, was chair of New Zealand Post. He retains a keen interest in proceedings in this House and the betterment of New Zealand. I\u2019m sure members will want to stand and join with me in expressing our birthday wishes both to the Rt Hon Jim Bolger and Mrs Joan Bolger, who has been such a support to him.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a87e328607c543c5a67222a6f66b9d97\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022afe9f41b5f984a1fb2f843770b5e644c\u0022\u003EPublic Service Commission Report\u2014Complaints made to Fire and Emergency New Zealand\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u002231bd5957fcbb4a82887a6ef3265a2820\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002231bd5957fcbb4a82887a6ef3265a2820\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I received a letter from Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick seeking to debate, under Standing Order\u00A0399, the Public Service Commission report entitled Review of a Series of Complaints made to Fire and Emergency New Zealand. The release of a report does not in itself lead to an urgent debate\u2014Speakers\u2019 ruling 225/7. There must be some element of urgency to warrant setting aside the business of the House. An urgent debate is a way to hold the Government to account for its actions\u2014Speakers\u2019 ruling 218/2. No substantive Government action in response to the report has been indicated in the member\u2019s letter. The application is declined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022509974cfb26549aab986717a63e6cd74\u0022\u003EMotions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022627bf4afbc59449bbb87692c53f11976\u0022\u003EWaikato-Tainui Treaty Settlement, 30th Anniversary\u2014Leave Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca08645c9e3d4b0db0521c05c4929d25\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ef5a38c-0ef7-4d68-8621-dcbb47077e6e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca08645c9e3d4b0db0521c05c4929d25\u0022\u003EHANA-RAWHITI MAIPI-CLARKE (Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014Hauraki-Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E I seek leave to move a motion without notice and without debate that this House commemorates the 30-year anniversary of the Waikato-Tainui raupatu settlement signed at T\u016Brangawaewae Marae in May 1995. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u002295badd97d33b44ffb214e3b3042037b7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002295badd97d33b44ffb214e3b3042037b7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that particular course of action. Is there any objection? There appears to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u00227abf05acefc448f08d70480b74461314\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227abf05acefc448f08d70480b74461314\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Minister of Foreign Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. Point of order, Mr Speaker. If we look at the number of settlements there have been, then we\u2019ll be doing this every day for about one-third of the year\u2019s sittings. So it was not against the idea\u2014this was the first settlement we ever had\u2014but it\u2019s the inappropriate repetitiveness of it all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u00225d06c117b6dd47b1a8f4ab3102b26e85\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225d06c117b6dd47b1a8f4ab3102b26e85\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Though that is true, it was also the first settlement we had. None the less, leave is denied. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c4681964e91544179215c0796940d5e9\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fba40579123d4839b89775b8ff6b7ee4\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022d1889d290a9e4387a66696976863fd27\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d1889d290a9e4387a66696976863fd27\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022b8fc587342c447d1b469f74395c41060\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b8fc587342c447d1b469f74395c41060\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: Petition of NZEI Te Riu Roa requesting that the House urge the Government to invest in support staff professionals in schools during their collective negotiations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u002228cd09c70aa84f2bbf0f2623c372514c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002228cd09c70aa84f2bbf0f2623c372514c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That petition stands referred to the Petitions Committee. Ministers have delivered four papers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u002293847e8560134bd8bf2f309734066fd5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002293847e8560134bd8bf2f309734066fd5\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003ECrown Law Office strategic intentions for 2024-29\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EMinistry of Disabled People strategic intentions for 2025-28\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EReserve Bank of New Zealand Monetary Policy Statements for February 2025 and May 2025.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u00221e2127a5c7f2416f980ce1a2598901ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e2127a5c7f2416f980ce1a2598901ff\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Those papers are published under the authority of the House. Seven select committee reports have been delivered for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022882b01e5d8c0421490612f96db84e50e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022882b01e5d8c0421490612f96db84e50e\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003EReports of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ebriefing on the Reserve Bank\u2019s digital currency programme\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Epetition of Louise Bint\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ereview briefing on the 2023-24 annual review of the Government Superannuation Fund Authority\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003Ereport of the Health Committee on the briefing on cremation costs and associated matters\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003Ereports of the Petitions Committee on the:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Epetition of Carjam Online Ltd\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Epetition of Cheryl Singh\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003Ereport of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee on the briefing on the report of NZIER Northland Expressway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022607f3ebb968542a4807a91d042f03cfe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022607f3ebb968542a4807a91d042f03cfe\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The briefings are set down for consideration. No bills have been introduced.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c22576bf7cbe44c1ae90bfe20ac8e88e\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220015ea8d723a4112b701064602cd3eff\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222984a29ea2ce4f5a9001c027755490da\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022 data-id=\u0022f261b44041974beb925d3aaa9e99835b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f261b44041974beb925d3aaa9e99835b\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: E tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E[Does he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022104bd176dc6a427db922e70b5baa0700\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022104bd176dc6a427db922e70b5baa0700\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and particularly around Budget 2025, which is all about growing the economy to create jobs and help Kiwis get ahead. The Government\u2019s economic plan is working. By stopping wasteful spending, inflation is down, interest rates are falling, our economy is expected to grow, on average, 2.7\u00A0percent\u2014that means 240,000 new jobs being created in the next four years\u2014and, most importantly, wages are growing faster than inflation. This is a Government that\u2019s proud of what it\u2019s doing to get New Zealand back on track.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7b05e7bd12d43109335d82f144aca99\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the Government not budget for its own increased KiwiSaver employer contributions, as the John Key and Bill English - National Government did when they made similar KiwiSaver changes in 2011?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022921d08b4945946d3970b66a7f2b71092\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Because we think we can fund that quite adequately through baselines.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e035446c1c27468fa074b6141f827ba8\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept that if the increased KiwiSaver employer-contribution costs must be met out of agency baselines, driving wage growth lower than otherwise, and the cost will be represented in the next Budget, then for all intents and purposes, this is a predictable cost, which the Government has failed to budget for?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226deac4e901594c809e6e0ed7c5987b1f\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I just disagree completely. This is a Government that makes sure we get maximum value for money out of every dollar that we spend, and we expect each and every year to be looking at the total pool of expenditure, not just the layer cake of new spending but the total spend that happens on a portfolio. We expect that to be worked over really hard to make sure we\u2019re getting maximum value for money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0df18d7000444a89e9fe2ab8866eb21\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister saying there that he did not work really hard through the increased employer contributions to KiwiSaver that the Government is now liable for?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203553c3564d844699688f9d18ef6e05d\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: No\u2014I\u2019m just saying we\u2019re very comfortable that they\u2019ll be taken out of baseline.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4a6d5de88a04609bf1242bf004008d7\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister disagree with Treasury when it says, in their Budget Economic and Fiscal Update, that \u201CWe have assumed that employers will offset the majority (80\u00A0percent) of their higher contributions via lower-than-otherwise wage increases.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bb777b5f5c14b55a1dc512618af404b\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I just say to the member that the feedback that we have had around Government contributions is that people understand we are increasing contribution rates for employers and employees; that\u2019s a good pathway for New Zealand to be on. Whether I look at an 18-year-old on minimum wage, whether I look at a 30-year-old on the average wage, typically, it looks like they\u2019ll have 25\u00A0percent bigger retirement balances. Increasing the employer-employee contribution is good because it makes New Zealanders wealthier and have bigger retirement balances.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddbf3d5ba9cd4d5ba49094167f33f6da\u0022\u003EHon Nicola Willis\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister agree with the late Hon Sir Michael Cullen, who said, at the introduction of compulsory employer contributions to KiwiSaver, \u201CThe Government recognises that, over time, employer contributions may effectively form part of the wage negotiation process, which will be for employers and employees to mutually agree\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244877dcd7baf499ab8e79f43117e3433\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right\u2014yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022751b58d6a3ec41fbafc5bc1b3f5ea484\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: When the Prime Minister says he\u2019s going for growth, per Treasury\u2019s own advice why is this \u201Cgrowth\u201D at the expense of wage increases for New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225388dc661a9b44e2b5b3afd8f5d13735\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I am very proud that since this coalition Government was formed, in every single quarter, we have wages growing faster than inflation, and that was just not the case under a Labour-Greens Government before; it is under this Government. We take that very seriously, and when we look at the projected forecast out of this Budget, we see wages continuing to grow faster than inflation, we see low levels of inflation, we see 2.7\u00A0percent average growth rate over the four-year period, and 240,000 new jobs being created, because all the parties on this side of the House, in this coalition Government, believe in growth, growth, growth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b14655bd3205416584d910a01fa743b8\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed45213542e04d8d8ac289b15658fc5a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed45213542e04d8d8ac289b15658fc5a\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022bda54fac6e38402a8351ea6d5c6ae7d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bda54fac6e38402a8351ea6d5c6ae7d4\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, especially in education where our Government is delivering the most significant investment in learning support in a generation to better support Kiwi kids and to make sure they thrive at school. This means more teacher-aide hours. It means more learning support coordinators and earlier intervention to ensure that our kids are getting the tailored help they need and that teachers have more time to teach the basics brilliantly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b947f5b65a04d7d8e592b72ce8455e8\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his pre-election commitment to give Kiwi families with kids $250 a fortnight in tax cuts without cutting front-line public services or increasing borrowing; if so, how many families are actually receiving the full $250 a fortnight he promised them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242c75f0a3e2a4de1a879a5079e0a5065\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t have the numbers with me, but I am very proud of what we have done to lower tax rates for working New Zealanders. And I just say, on this side of the House, this coalition Government cares about working New Zealanders and that\u2019s why our tax relief plan, the first in 14 years, was of huge benefit to many New Zealanders and appreciated by working New Zealanders. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203bce1e7c143491185e421e2e7618bbd\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc3e39be191f4b1ca6d53039264b18cc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just a moment. Interjections are supposed to be rare and reasonable, not commentaries from your seat.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c503370c64d4e169a98efbdb1a3471a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: So why can\u2019t Nicola Willis or the IRD identify one single family who have received the full $250 FamilyBoost that he promised them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a93bd28f23d0482886664cd0cc6dda88\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I just encourage the member to put his question in writing, and we can come back with a more fulsome answer. But what I can tell you out there is that low and middle income working New Zealanders who were let down over something like 32 months with wages growing slower than actually inflation, are very, very grateful that under this Government, with the parties in this coalition Government, we are making sure that we deliver for low and middle income working New Zealanders. These were the people Labour used to care about, but not any more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221deb325c5b1740cca803ca9e3405e6e8\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: So how does an average $100 a week cut to the accommodation supplement for those working hard to make ends meet by taking in boarders help those low-income families with the cost of living crisis?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212f9c8f9e57d4c07bd2842852cfd8359\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it isn\u2019t unreasonable that we would expect that if you\u2019re earning income from boarding\u2014or from subletting, essentially\u2014that that income is considered in your calculation. That\u2019s a fair thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292e2c94fbcda45e3b0ecbea3130f75e9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Why has this Government cancelled pay parity for early childhood education (ECE) teachers, a profession dominated by women who were already reeling from the fact that his Government unilaterally cancelled, without notice, their active pay equity claim?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270ca26d6de044791bf1ec7f296951e80\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Pay parity still exists in ECE, but all we\u2019re doing is making sure that the owners of ECE establishments get to set the pay rates, not the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022185e8009329b4999b57e97d0352811d0\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: So how can he claim that pay parity still exists if it doesn\u2019t exist?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022beb969e926c8433991cd3ada43444cd7\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Exactly as I said: it does exist, but the question is we don\u2019t believe that just because you\u2019ve got a qualification and a Master\u2019s degree you should be paid more and be mandated to pay more than someone who\u2019s got 25 years of experience in ECE. That\u2019s up to owners to determine what they pay their workers so that they can work out what they charge to their consumers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022147899c0636349b0a50bbe742c331e8f\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Could I ask the Prime Minister: if a boarder is paying more than $100 per week, aren\u2019t you better off as a consequence of the simple mathematical equation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f16f6fa195c24397ab1e13cf8400fe9e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I just think it\u2019s entirely reasonable, actually, that any income generated through renting or subletting out to a boarder\u2014that income is included in any calculation that the Government offers support for.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228726960e87042dab1792fc6cefbb09c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: How will early childhood education services pay any teacher salary increases when the Government\u2019s offered them only a 0.5\u00A0percent funding increase, or does he expect them to pass that cost on to parents in the form of higher fees?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286985f5b1245484ebbba4dc5531a0135\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, again, we\u2019re leaving that for owners of ECE establishments to work out their cost base, to work out what they pay their workers, and, ultimately, what they charge their consumers. That is normal business practice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ad683cc8cf0d4e14bcd256a357d2e69b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Workplace Relations and Safety\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022 data-id=\u002272c3c54dffc54d398390c91cccfda830\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272c3c54dffc54d398390c91cccfda830\u0022\u003ELAURA McCLURE (ACT)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety: What recent announcements has she made about reforming WorkSafe?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022 data-id=\u002244819bc850ce4e29aac2370e646e3c20\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002244819bc850ce4e29aac2370e646e3c20\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN (Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety):\u003C/span\u003E Today, I announced that the Government has agreed to a range of changes that will significantly focus WorkSafe on critical risk and the issuing of more guidance and advice to businesses and workers. Last year, I travelled New Zealand and heard from businesses, workers, and people who deal with health and safety every day and who wished for more guidance and help from WorkSafe on how to comply with health and safety legislation only to be told it\u2019s not WorkSafe\u2019s job. My reforms address this issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a7dd7198d7b4596b0a9a2248c273165\u0022\u003ELaura McClure\u003C/span\u003E: What changes are already under way at WorkSafe?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d8aadbcf3644136b0721fe26cf971a7\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: I have written a letter of expectation to WorkSafe outlining this Government\u2019s focus and expectations, and I am pleased to note WorkSafe are on board with the changes. WorkSafe have also begun the mammoth task of updating its website guidance. Removing and replacing outdated guidance will make it much easier for people to find the help they are looking for and ensure WorkSafe are giving consistent and clear advice. Also, WorkSafe\u2019s road cone tip line is open and ready for business. You can find this at worksafe.govt.nz/road-cones. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228f20b644-642a-4c85-ade9-d5af32dc690b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c34f322151084239bea2278f610dc9a7\u0022\u003ELaura McClure\u003C/span\u003E: What is the Government\u2019s intention with the announced reform?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287d21fd80561445d927022c8836f2d14\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: My intention with these WorkSafe changes is to improve worker safety and reduce cost to business. A system that clearly focuses on reducing death and serious injuries rather than box-ticking exercises will see better outcomes. It will also reduce cost to businesses. This change is a benefit to both workers and businesses. The intention with the road cone tip line is that in future when members of the public see road cones on the road, they\u2019ll know it\u2019s for genuine risk reduction. Getting rid of overzealous use will be a benefit to all who see a road cone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226a5753a09a3447b697fd795f198db02e\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022 data-id=\u00222c77c43bb4ca4fdd8516b82229cbdafa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c77c43bb4ca4fdd8516b82229cbdafa\u0022\u003ENANCY LU (National)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What recent announcements has she made about business tax?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u0022e79ac942ba22474f9a791c9b6a096148\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e79ac942ba22474f9a791c9b6a096148\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E In the Budget, I announced a new tax incentive called \u201CInvestment Boost\u201D. Investment Boost allows New Zealand businesses to immediately deduct 20\u00A0percent of the cost of qualifying assets on top of depreciation. That means a much lower tax bill in the year they purchase, create, or construct the asset. The remaining book value of the asset is depreciated at normal rates. Loading deductions into the first year means that cash flow arising from investments is more favourable; the present value of the investment is greater; the after-tax returns are higher; more investment opportunities stack up financially, so more will be made, boosting growth and wages.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226190bd9b68f74b5cb3d76a0d024e8fd7\u0022\u003ENancy Lu\u003C/span\u003E: What effect will Investment Boost have on capital investment in productivity? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e80f8f2c49de4214916dcbdcf5f77647\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: New Zealand has long been recognised for its low rate of capital intensity\u2014that is, we lack the machinery, tools, and technology per worker that other countries have. As I said in my primary answer, Investment Boost makes more investment opportunities stack up financially so more will be made. That will lift New Zealand\u2019s capital stock. In turn, additional capital has an impact on the country\u2019s economic performance, as more capital per worker means higher productivity and higher wages. So in answer to the question: Investment Boost will lift capital investment and it will increase productivity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5099b08f7924b8b912083540fad819d\u0022\u003ENancy Lu\u003C/span\u003E: Who benefits from Investment Boost?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f1e5baf44704af496aabaf950561704\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as members in this House should know, a lot of people benefit when businesses do well. But let me quote from the regulatory impact statement that accompanied this policy\u2014and bear in mind, members, this is Inland Revenue and Treasury officials speaking, not me\u2014\u201COur view is the majority of the increase in national income from this policy would flow to workers. And this increase would come from a combination of higher wages and higher employment, and we therefore expect that the benefits of this policy will be spread broadly across a wide range of New Zealanders.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022afef6069b77e4e0aa21c4d6b9a1413c7\u0022\u003ENancy Lu\u003C/span\u003E: What reactions has she seen to the Investment Boost policy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022831346bda3c04c10a6e5378314112e35\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, Investment Boost has been welcomed by New Zealand businesses and tax experts. I\u2019ve had MPs from across the country share with me their positive stories about investment being brought forward and expanded in their communities. Robyn Walker, tax partner at Deloitte, said of Investment Boost that \u201COverall, this is a really positive change for businesses.\u201D Russell McVeagh said, \u201CThe Government\u2019s flagship Budget 2025 policy \u2026 is a credible demonstration of its focus on driving economic growth \u2026 and investment in New Zealand infrastructure.\u201D Even members opposite have said that Investment Boost is \u201Ca good business initiative\u201D\u2014that was the Hon Barbara Edmonds\u2014and \u201Cdoing something in this space is a good idea\u201D, and that was from the Hon Deborah Russell.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c4d0571555094e59953819fa43644608\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022 data-id=\u002281642e7b563747f2b347f1bec0fc3baa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281642e7b563747f2b347f1bec0fc3baa\u0022\u003EHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour\u2014Mana)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Does she stand by her statement about the Budget that \u201CWages are forecast to grow faster than the inflation rate, making wage earners better off, on average, in real terms\u201D; if so, what is the effect on wage growth over the forecast period of removing the $12.8\u00A0billion from future pay equity claims?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022 data-id=\u00223075e73b346a4e939f68010919629324\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223075e73b346a4e939f68010919629324\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS (Minister of Finance):\u003C/span\u003E Well, in answer to the first part of the question, yes, and that is borne out by the Budget documents. To the second part, I don\u2019t agree with the member\u2019s characterisation. In the Budget, $12.8\u00A0billion was removed from contingencies put aside to meet potential pay equity settlements under the previous regime that were expected to be wide ranging and increasingly divorced from actual sex-based discrimination. Those settlements may or may not have happened. Adequate funding remains in contingency to meet potential costs of future public sector pay equity settlements under our new regime. On that basis, compared to the half-year update, I\u2019m advised that wage growth is forecast by Treasury to be slightly lower across the forecast period because of pay equity and macroeconomic changes, and slightly higher because of Investment Boost. Overall, wage growth is expected to be slightly lower but starts from a higher base, meaning that actual wages in dollar terms\u2014which is what really matters to New Zealanders\u2014are expected to be higher right across the forecast period compared to the half-year update.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223dcdafb27be4426cb4ca40cb18bd0ba0\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: What does she say to Dame Marilyn Waring\u2014former member of Parliament for the National Party\u2014who says, \u201CWe want to know why such a large\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022562c5392a7d045b3b2d20b6b1247e345\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Fossil fuel.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb6f0f03a3294f85b418e0227d6f0972\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014\u201Cnumber of women who are not well paid become the collateral damage of balancing the Budget\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297583f4ec3c7484ab96ff103d601f509\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Before we hear that answer, can I say to the member who interjected during the question: do that again and it\u2019ll be a very early afternoon exit from the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237520de066c7488ba5b3f5286607995c\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I would say to that individual that she mischaracterises the nature of the Government\u2019s approach to pay equity and she should listen less to the misleading statements from the other side of the House. This Government is upholding pay equity with a workable, affordable, sustainable pay equity regime in law. We have also put aside funding for what we anticipate will be future settlements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022847cf6547baa40b88e36c2ed03e65874\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: What does she say to Roezy Thomson, a 33-year-old elderly support worker, who says that the changes to pay equity \u201Cmakes me feel \u2026 so undervalued and it makes me feel like quitting, but I actually love my job \u2026 We\u2019ve been waiting for this \u2026 pay rise [for ever] and this is just absolute [BS].\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022664b1289503843db8c7eb12ccac49777\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: What I would say to that person is your work is very much valued by this Government, and I think valued by all New Zealanders. You can anticipate that just like other workers across the country, when you enter bargaining\u2014whether via a collective bargaining process or through an individual employment process\u2014you will be able to bargain for increases according to your wages and conditions. At the same time, if you as an employee or your union wish to lodge a pay equity claim, the law will allow you to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228b29762cc004cd0ad0d376dd944fdf6\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with Fiona Archer, a retired support worker, who says, \u201CI have fought my whole life for equitable treatment of women, and I cannot believe we\u2019re having to do this again.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290303e6e05454239aea25e77765550cd\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I would say to that individual that if they have a pay equity claim which has merit in which they are able to demonstrate sex-based discrimination, then the law allows them to negotiate a settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022facc90f26f0541039158f08d1c567ed3\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: No, it doesn\u2019t. You actually stopped them being able\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202737b421d7e4402b7a3992b0ec2a6f9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Enough. The member\u2019s trying to ask her questions. Hold back a little bit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ffa59bae583f4074a4734c463884fe8c\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with Dame Judy McGregor, a former human rights commissioner, that \u201CI think this is a cruel abuse of human rights and I think the Government will pay for it. I don\u2019t think women will take this lying down.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b3f25910fd042108cb6144e98094ef5\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225d5f1641cbe4bfabaccfe887eaf948e\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: How can she say she is committed to pay equity when many working women across this country disagree with her and instead believe they are paying the price for her Budget decisions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f12da0af-dc73-4870-8f77-1d50a75eb44c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b863870702324f97b96d82cf5f34941a\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the facts are this: the Government has legislated a pay equity regime in law. The fact that members opposite are choosing to continue to tell New Zealanders that not only has the Government removed equal pay but we\u2019re also cutting women\u2019s wages and that pay equity has been eliminated is not my responsibility. But I would caution members to be careful about the statements they make to New Zealanders and the veracity of those statements, because boys who cry wolf don\u2019t get listened to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b8b1ece556954fe09c77d8a62d67d92e\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014RMA Reform\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022 data-id=\u0022e282b58f6c0a457e9fec0701e0d0ec13\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e282b58f6c0a457e9fec0701e0d0ec13\u0022\u003EDr VANESSA WEENINK (National\u2014Banks Peninsula)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister responsible for RMA Reform: What announcements has he made on reforming national direction under the Resource Management Act 1991?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022a4bcecc1819a455da154f4008cf8a316\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a4bcecc1819a455da154f4008cf8a316\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Last week, I announced, alongside the Hon Todd McClay and the Hon Simon Watts, the largest package of changes to national direction rules under the Resource Management Act (RMA) to make the RMA more workable while we develop our new planning system at pace. There are three documents open for consultation now: infrastructure and development, primary sector, and fresh water. They have been designed to have immediate impact on the ground without requiring millions and millions of dollars in implementation costs from councils.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225bdafe4958cf470cbedaa6053d05027d\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: How do these changes enable better infrastructure and support more housing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265aebafafa18411a9138e340919babc4\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: The most notable change is the introduction of a national policy statement on infrastructure. There is no instrument in the RMA that clearly states that infrastructure development is a good thing. It makes it harder for decision makers to properly take into account the clear and undeniable benefits of infrastructure, so we will have a national policy statement on one. We are also proposing new national direction to help our housing crisis: we are developing a national environmental standard on granny flats and also, for the first time, a national environmental standard on papak\u0101inga housing to synthesise the rules around the country to make sure that people who want to use their whenua can do so. We\u2019re also proposing a range of changes in relation to renewable energy and putting some real meat on the bones of the existing renewable energy national policy statement. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6eebf39486041cb89542d9e92d1e0a2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just wait while the House sort of gathers itself and just remembers that interjections are rare and reasonable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b02ecd04f00d436fa14a1a29a720214b\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: What changes can Kiwis expect to better enable our primary sectors?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e7b08f1b37b4a668809c7c602f4ecfd\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: There are a range of changes across the three documents. One notable one is to make it easier to consent a quarry or a mine. It is very difficult in New Zealand to consent or expand or even open a new quarry. And if we want 21st century living standards and the kind of infrastructure and roads that New Zealanders increasingly demand, we need the aggregate and the fill in order to build those roads. So it will be easier to open or expand a quarry. We are also making changes to the rules around highly productive lands, removing land use class 3 land from protection, letting farmers do more with their own land; we\u2019re removing the restrictions on non-intensive grazing of beef, cattle, and deer in wetlands; and a range of consenting requirement changes to better support our aquaculture and our forestry sector. I acknowledge the strong advocacy of the Minister for Regional Development and indeed the Minister for aquaculture, the Hon Shane Jones.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297e3d6be7abc41b69daa35fc59d95e86\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Heavy metal! Heavy metal!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf004a174cba40868a8125788e4a5238\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: What, are you going to play us some?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224803e8a4bcbc474389389a246fa9fd67\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Resources\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b21beb09-9d9b-4414-9bb1-ddba249459d5\u0022 data-id=\u00223781297f81d04d09b333073878f0ce6f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b21beb09-9d9b-4414-9bb1-ddba249459d5\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223781297f81d04d09b333073878f0ce6f\u0022\u003ETANYA UNKOVICH (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Resources: What announcements has he made regarding energy security in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022 data-id=\u00228ebe8ee2736547f18579c01bd04e5609\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228ebe8ee2736547f18579c01bd04e5609\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Resources):\u003C/span\u003E Gas is short. Talk is cheap. We\u2019re not talking about red or green effluent. New Zealand\u2019s natural gas reserves have been in decline as a consequence of a foolish and dangerous decision. Our Government has set aside a contingency of $200\u00A0million to overcome sovereign risk perceptions that have grown since a fateful decision of 2018. It signals a willingness for the Crown to take a commercial stake\u201410\u00A0percent or 15\u00A0percent, possibly\u2014to turn around the declining fortunes in our energy sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ab4a76be0ee4d8db9bbe06d8f77bd7c\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, sir. It is not appropriate for questions of a Minister\u2019s own party to be used to make what is quite clearly a political point. It is one thing, as you\u2019ve outlined, to indicate a situation, but that was loaded with commentary that is debatable. That was actually not a factual statement; that was a political statement and it shouldn\u2019t have been allowed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d77bbd8a86d24822931baa09e2d80194\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m sorry; I completely disagree with you. I was listening to these answers. I said before that it\u2019s not unreasonable for a Government to comment on a previously made Government decision. That\u2019s what happened here. As for other commentary there, if it\u2019s debatable, it\u2019s debatable. It\u2019s not necessarily out of order as an answer to a question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227200f47ea7da4972afb2a2e8bdd2f178\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, sir. For clarity, are you saying that it is OK for Ministers to label previous Governments\u2019 policies as foolish? Because if it is, that is actually quite a move from the previous directions you\u2019ve given this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d735bde5e014f2594d5fc04b17a2715\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I don\u2019t believe it is along the lines that you\u2019re suggesting. It would be odd if a current Government could not refer to something that they had campaigned against as having a particular characterisation. So with all due respect, I don\u2019t think that is a reasonable point for me to follow up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b21beb09-9d9b-4414-9bb1-ddba249459d5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3ee10f1f72248b2a5f28bae0e268ddb\u0022\u003ETanya Unkovich\u003C/span\u003E: Why is security of gas supply critical for New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4ae486102ab4097876e98a738f56201\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Decisions riddled with woke ideology of the past Government\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac9a3fd41b6d41a4aea96c6ad4e7214c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, hang on. Stop. Members should not continue speaking while I\u2019m on my feet. Now, this really does go right to the heart of it, and before I get the point of order from the Hon Kieran McAnulty\u2014which, this time, would be something I should work on\u2014I think the member needs to start again without the descriptions of various commitments that elected members of this Parliament have held. I think that\u2019s most unreasonable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002289b8e3d973174160bf4f6c33cb0d1f17\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: We are the first nation to transition from gas to imported coal to get through our winters. It is evidence of unintended consequences from decisions that have been made. Natural gas will continue to produce a critical level of firming, to enable Kiwis to enjoy affordable energy, security of energy, for at least the next 20 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f7e00a5517a4efc81659066bfb3695c\u0022\u003ESteve Abel\u003C/span\u003E: A finite resource.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ad84c92521849a2bf21afce85a1e02e\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: As I\u2019ve said, enough of the Green emissions. This is not about haka expulsions; this is serious commerce. I say to my colleagues across the House, as the sake of energy is far more important than the tawdry and minuscule beliefs of minor parties such as\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1f8d6a3862246cb97941992eac4b33a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. I don\u2019t want to terminate the question, but if we keep going down that line, I will. Tanya Unkovich\u2014one more try.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b21beb09-9d9b-4414-9bb1-ddba249459d5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b11f69880474aebb52a8e3519b347e2\u0022\u003ETanya Unkovich\u003C/span\u003E: How does the planned co-investment in gas production by the Government address sovereign risk concerns?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239fd230c20eb4028a1ac1316ab853967\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Sadly, ideological sludge does not make for good energy. This Government is rebuilding investor confidence, which, in the gas and petroleum sector, suffered a decline, and nowhere will we do it more rapidly than in the brilliant area of Taranaki, where my voice and ideas are being widely embraced. Then we will turn our attention to Te Wai Pounamu, the South Island, where there is a huge gas field just waiting for investment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022141cc9210b9a4aa2b0e7d0ced3766061\u0022\u003EHon Dr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: When will he release Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) advice\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c3cce6d87f84aeb96b2c0efa32263c5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, we\u2019re not having that conversation or conversations while a question\u2019s being asked.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237a99b65-4919-4800-830d-3dd7c920d5cd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdd412ae71b648f0978a7ade2ce03bd5\u0022\u003EHon Dr Megan Woods\u003C/span\u003E: When will he release MFAT advice on the impact of the $200\u00A0million gas subsidies on New Zealand\u2019s free-trade deals?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec56d8b01d094c29bfea048761cc4b7a\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s difficult to answer a question which contains a lie.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be5ae859f8b046e1a8a042f529dce380\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry, you\u2019re going to have to withdraw and apologise for that reference and then try a different answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dafe882f04f946caa734f997f9a4f795\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I withdraw and apologise. It is not the view of either this Minister or the Government that the policy represented through the $200\u00A0million capital fund is a subsidy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b21beb09-9d9b-4414-9bb1-ddba249459d5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f72ce70dd23940d5818b47b047aaf6b3\u0022\u003ETanya Unkovich\u003C/span\u003E: How does this help\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7e3c53c8fd44bb09959df83e5be9bb0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just a moment. Just wait for a minute. All questions are heard in silence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b21beb09-9d9b-4414-9bb1-ddba249459d5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e32b540a905414db4540c9ed97b4b55\u0022\u003ETanya Unkovich\u003C/span\u003E: How does this help the New Zealand economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220d1dbd54ced4e5c8196699b3328d35c\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Energy is essential for the growth of the New Zealand economy\u2014energy in relation to access to imported coal, further gas developments, the development of new sources of geothermal energy\u2014and it\u2019s a part of a broader strategy, not the least of which is mining for mineral sands off the coast of Taranaki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022729dad35ff6c455e804817735b594f90\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister give the House any reason why a country would prefer inferior coal from another country rather than superior coal from its own?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f44431ef-b505-4e94-9f57-a60b0a569bf7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c99f1387f1cd4891808bcb7bfe2ed7f1\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Naturally, our economy does have coal. Our country produces export coal. At the heart of the issue\u2014which is why this particular Minister is producing great outcomes in relation to natural resources\u2014we must stop relying on other sources of coal and critical minerals in terms of self-sufficiency, which is why titanium and vanadium, soon to be discovered in vast quantities off the coast of Taranaki, is on its way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002210466395454f4e35b8b523983aa26cb3\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022 data-id=\u002227714aa320754df581de5a4ab3d2b7bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002227714aa320754df581de5a4ab3d2b7bf\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by his statement in relation to emergency department wait times, \u201CI expect Health New Zealand to empower clinicians at local levels to fix bottlenecks in real time\u201D; if so, is he confident this has occurred ahead of winter 2025?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022 data-id=\u00228d89483e98534b078e51849ea54ccfb0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228d89483e98534b078e51849ea54ccfb0\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY (Associate Minister of Health)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Health: In the context it was made, yes. Our Government has made it clear that our focus is on putting patients first and ensuring that all New Zealanders have access to timely, quality healthcare. That\u2019s why we\u2019ve brought back the shorter stays in emergency departments (EDs) health target. I\u2019m advised by Health New Zealand that every region and district has a winter preparedness plan in place to improve acute flow through their emergency departments this coming winter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290949507bd274b8ab58a2be9d3bf1be7\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think empowered clinicians would choose that only one in 10 patients got timely treatment for a heart attack at Middlemore Hospital, or is it a sign of under-resourcing and indifference from the Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe4e9a2cf6cd413299d7c48e32e4b902\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister: I\u2019ve been very clear at the frustration at the pressure on our emergency departments. That member quoted about empowering our clinicians; that\u2019s why we wouldn\u2019t have taken a wrecking ball to the health system in the middle of a pandemic. That\u2019s why we\u2019ve brought back four regions of Health New Zealand to ensure we have local decision-making, to have readiness plans in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a240c98619c49eb94daa82e3f00a0d0\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Does he think empowered clinicians in Middlemore emergency department would choose for patients to suffer harm on 43 separate occasions, as reported, or is it a sign of under-resourcing and indifference from the Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d11ab7c7d7dd41ba9bd7b96328d72178\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: This Government has put a record amount of funding into health: $16.68\u00A0billion over three years. We\u2019re empowering our clinicians by returning decision making as close to the front line as possible, unlike that last Government that took a wrecking ball to the health system in the middle of the pandemic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022443b1a0295e64a7c8c5be9a98ac7e803\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Now, look, you\u2019ve got to stop using terms like that. You can say that they made some changes or some other such, but not those sort of particular descriptors.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b625054888344706a3a8f29c66cded0c\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: If the Minister\u2019s claim of record investment is correct, why were clinicians\u2019 requests for merely $3\u00A0million in one of our largest emergency departments to ensure it was properly staffed turned down by the Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb781118ba1647a0adad2536702606a5\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: I think that member should get her facts straight. Nothing was declined. What she is referring to is a quality report that went to a quality committee. There was a number of initiatives in that report. Some have been completed, some are under way, and they\u2019re been assessed at the moment, including opening up 20 new beds in a ward to ease flow in that ED that she\u2019s referring to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac99cfbd952346fbb875c51a95de1ea3\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister saying that a request for $3.6\u00A0million to address staffing in Middlemore Hospital\u2019s emergency department was not made?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ffba4ec8063545dbb82f4172eff4a2bb\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the health Minister: I have been advised that there was no request. It was a quality report sent to a quality committee, and that member should quite rightly get her facts straight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b14093c502442a9bb5b5edfe0b109fa\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Well, why won\u2019t he accept responsibility for under-resourcing in the department instead of passing the blame on to clinicians and management, when he\u2019s the Minister of Health?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297a887527fa84155a1ff8c62b088f290\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the health Minister: there is nothing more than taking responsibility and accountability by returning health targets. When we left office, the health target for six hours\u2019 wait in ED was at 90\u00A0percent. In 2023, that went down to 70\u00A0percent. That is taking responsibility, unlike that member who asked the question\u2014when she was on the front page: \u201CNew health minister at odds with front-line health workers over staff shortages [in ED]\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002269ed9c0dc26e434d813baefa5ea13115\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s enough. You can\u2019t do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221bf20f14bebb4dda97961a098d6ece93\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc2a8de1c65f44c5a6a0213b3fb1d44b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc2a8de1c65f44c5a6a0213b3fb1d44b\u0022\u003EDr HAMISH CAMPBELL (National\u2014Ilam)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: What announcements has she made regarding learning support as part of Budget 2025? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022 data-id=\u00220cf33d62c30542f284c71119357d3a0e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220cf33d62c30542f284c71119357d3a0e\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Budget 2025 delivers the largest investment in learning support in a generation. The Government is transforming and boosting the Early Intervention Service, extending it to the end of year 1, with hundreds of additional specialist teachers; delivering a learning support coordinator to every school with year 1 to 8 students; delivering a historic shift to the way our Ongoing Resourcing Scheme, or the ORS scheme, is funded, guaranteeing that every child who is eligible for the service gets the support they need; and, across the system, we are giving over 2\u00A0million teacher-aide hours from 2028, starting with an additional 900,000 from next year. My message for teachers and parents is that we\u2019ve heard you and we have delivered. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd61d8c5d7c44ca385fb38b6635863db\u0022\u003EDr Hamish Campbell\u003C/span\u003E: How does the expansion of the early intervention scheme deliver for learners with additional needs? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211d66b500d2649b8a36f0e9d2bb550db\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: We are heavily investing in expanding the Early Intervention Service to reach thousands more children with the support they need. We\u2019re delivering the expansion of the Early Intervention Service from early childhood to the end of year 1, with an additional 560 fulltime-equivalent specialists, including educational psychologists, speech language therapists, and early intervention teachers. This investment will do two things: it will provide additional support to the 7,000 students already receiving the service and will reduce wait times for the over 3,000 children currently on the wait-list. Supporting the transition to school is vital, and this is what delivery looks like. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223392978ef6014e50bc06b7226d649d86\u0022\u003EDr Hamish Campbell\u003C/span\u003E: How is this announcement supporting schools? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eeac1dd418124e8b86a2d4130948684c\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Every part of this package is designed to deliver more support to schools, but\u2014importantly\u2014Budget 2025 delivers a learning support coordinator for every school with a year 0 to 8 student, and, as part of Budget 2025, every school with a year 0 to 8 student will have a learning support coordinator. That will benefit 300,000 students who currently do not have access to a learning support coordinator in their school. Importantly, we are guaranteeing that every small and rural school will have a minimum of a day a week with a learning support coordinator, and they will be able to be used flexibly. Schools without a learning support coordinator have been let down for years. This is what delivery looks like. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230d16b77007043d18e29f8d5121c125e\u0022\u003EDr Hamish Campbell\u003C/span\u003E: How is this announcement supporting teachers? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa0e4fac4c8f4b80a3d751efbc42ef12\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I have been at schools up and down the country where teachers have consistently asked for extra support in the classroom for their children with additional needs. We are powering up the front-line support and investing early to ensure our kids get the tailored help they need by building up to a total of 2\u00A0million teacher-aide hours from 2028, with an additional almost 900,000 kicking in from next year. We\u2019re also funding our teacher-aides to undertake professional learning and development so that they have the knowledge they need to help our learners with neurodiversity and behavioural needs. Teachers have asked us for this support and we are delivering. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222837c142-c937-468e-9984-bc646d066687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225456e434cd874b438268b4c7fe1a1c02\u0022\u003EDr Hamish Campbell\u003C/span\u003E: What feedback has she received regarding these announcements? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3930c883af3492781af7a6d876c4aec\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, one principal wrote to me to say, \u201CWhat is written here is significant and far better than I have seen from any Government. It is clear that you have listened.\u201D; another principal wrote that she jumped for joy when she heard about the investment into learning support; and, finally, I received this text from another principal, saying, \u201CThanks for listening and understanding what we need to enhance the educational chances for all students. I have just put off my retirement so I can be part of these exciting changes.\u201D Instead of spending the last 18 months on Cabinet papers that went nowhere and reviews that delivered nothing, we have just got on with delivering. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022564a7feaab944e20a6a707f7d0c72ce5\u0022\u003ERima Nakhle\u003C/span\u003E: This side of the House is so happy. [Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224beb76d54a8a456a958caf2df3394a54\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Everything all right down there? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f9e5c309664b4893b2c334386a55d782\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u002287e0e01c1f7743349463aa51065ba8a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002287e0e01c1f7743349463aa51065ba8a8\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: E tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E[Does he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc3a54b49c724b2d97ba20a7b0b98c5c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc3a54b49c724b2d97ba20a7b0b98c5c\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, and especially around driving economic growth. That\u2019s why our Government is proud to have introduced Investment Boost\u2014a tax incentive which makes it easier for tradies and farmers and small-business owners to invest in new assets, to increase productivity and lift wages. It\u2019s only through a strong, growing economy that we can create the jobs, lift wages, and help New Zealanders get ahead and deal with the cost of living.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a724f2283f5148c6a7999a61b66b646a\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Is he concerned, then, that the Treasury\u2019s forecast in his Budget found that child poverty rates are set to remain overall at their current levels until at least 2029, meaning tens of thousands of tamariki will continue to grow up in conditions that will undermine their chances of a healthy, productive life?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227da9511bec1b4d05a3df960671008898\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, there is always more for us to do around improving and fighting child poverty. But the way we do that is that we run a really good economy, and that means cutting the wasteful spending, lowering inflation, lowering interest rates, getting the economy growing so that people have great jobs and great work, and that\u2019s what we\u2019re doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299c8ade113b443d0899067b7968585b2\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Is he concerned, then, that Treasury forecasts found the two primary policy changes noted in his Budget\u2019s Child Poverty Report\u2014which is lifting the Working for Families threshold and changes to the accommodation supplement\u2014will not have a statistically significant impact on child poverty measures?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241f0ee4397f74663b3b88808175d8a05\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m actually proud of this Budget, because what we\u2019re doing is growing our economy so that we can lift wages for all. We are making sure that we actually have targeted cost of living support for Working for Families that is helpful for low and middle income working families, but, importantly, it\u2019s getting the macroeconomics right. It\u2019s about managing this economy well, and that\u2019s what this coalition Government is doing. We\u2019re getting on, fixing up the mess left behind, and dealing with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226301296e25914d4daf02e21407155456\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Dr Bonnie Robinson, director of the Salvation Army\u2019s Social Policy and Parliamentary Unit, who said, \u201CThis Budget shows a government content with maintaining the status quo in terms of child poverty. But when the status quo means children living in cars and families relying on foodbanks, that is simply not good enough.\u201D, and, if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022885bc3ca01df4a7f8b1c7eb8d510132e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think it\u2019s a bit rich coming from the member whose Government\u2014that last Labour - Greens Government\u2014had 23,000 more kids go into poverty. This is a Government that\u2019s working incredibly hard and has prioritised economic growth so that we can actually help all families do well in New Zealand. We\u2019re proud of what we\u2019ve got going on here. We have got rid of the wasteful spending. We\u2019ve got inflation down, lowering the cost of living. We have wages growing faster than inflation every quarter of this Government, unlike the previous one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3790701adbb46cc8c98cc754578ec97\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Can he explain how cutting financial support for around 13,000 low-income households who have boarders, often family, to make ends meet, is consistent with a commitment to reduce child poverty?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238804e21ff224b00aeda80d04573251e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s all about fairness and making sure that when an assessment\u2019s undertaken to get support from the taxpayers, all sources of revenue are considered in that. That\u2019s an anomaly that we\u2019re fixing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275197e1f08c44cd388cdc105c33239bc\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with economist Shamubeel Eaqub that this Budget is \u201Canti - young people, anti - poor people and anti - brown people.\u201D, or is this a mischaracterisation of cuts to early childhood education funding, cuts to young people\u2019s benefits, or removing targeted funding for M\u0101ori housing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a35c7a789474dd4afb63bcbc1efccd6\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I disagree completely. As the member talked on housing, I think this is a Government that\u2019s incredibly proud of its housing record. We have house prices stable, we have rents stable, we have taken 7,000 people off the social housing register, and, most importantly, we\u2019ve taken 2,100 kids out of motel emergency accommodation and they\u2019re in great homes with social housing providers and with K\u0101inga Ora. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9e258e387f84ac9a21be7664fe15575\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yelling across the House like that is just not on. It\u2019s something I\u2019ve tended to tolerate because of the member\u2019s position in the House but it can\u2019t continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002223e16c220cea4a828517cfd10937b15b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Workplace Relations and Safety\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022 data-id=\u002286f398bef3274404b84abaa342e061c3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286f398bef3274404b84abaa342e061c3\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety: Does she stand by her proposed changes to WorkSafe; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022 data-id=\u00227259787ea1f5429cba8201e3982b58a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227259787ea1f5429cba8201e3982b58a3\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN (Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety):\u003C/span\u003E Absolutely\u2014last year, I travelled New Zealand and heard from businesses, workers, and people who deal with health and safety every day who wished for more guidance and help from WorkSafe on how to comply with health and safety legislation, only to be told it\u2019s not WorkSafe\u2019s job. My reforms address this issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8eb6a8bde8b41a4b9d0fcd9f9e92a7b\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Was she advised in her briefing to the incoming Minister that \u201Corganisations inspected by WorkSafe have lower rates of serious ACC claims compared to non-inspected organisations.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff5cbb9773314f839c46d784a8a8de81\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019d have to cast my mind back nearly 18 months to all of the briefings that I received when I first arrived, but if I look at one of the briefings that I know I did see, because I still have this one in front of me, this was the Business Leaders\u2019 Health and Safety Forum report, which found that in comparison to another country that we quite often compare ourselves to\u2014Australia\u2014we have far more use of enforceable undertakings than Australia, we\u2019ve had more legal proceedings yet fewer won than Australia, we\u2019ve had far more fines imposed relative to our economic size than Australia, but we don\u2019t have the same proactive relationship. That\u2019s the report that I recall seeing and that\u2019s what I\u2019m focusing on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea77bfbbf15d42bca150f604b7dda228\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by her April 2024 statement, \u201CIf people know that there\u2019s a possibility for a labour inspectorate agent to come into their place, or the WorkSafe agents to come into their place and inspect whether they are complying with the law, you\u2019ve got both a carrot for compliance and the stick.\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022053b1b38071a4ddd9b71d6e6442fcb07\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: Of course I do. That\u2019s exactly what\u2019s still happening. We have WorkSafe inspectors going into worksites every day. That\u2019s not stopping; that\u2019s continuing. We\u2019re still having enforcement activity, prosecutions will still happen, and it\u2019s important that we do have that stick. But what we\u2019ve heard time and time again from business owners and workers is that when they\u2019ve been asking for guidance and advice on what they need to do to comply with the law, they haven\u2019t received it. It\u2019s important we have the upfront guidance for people who are asking for it so that WorkSafe is there to help; it\u2019s not just there to harm. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5992f8a46da49a6affe4fe7049f4cf8\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Will her changes refocusing WorkSafe from an enforcement agency to an advisory agency decrease workplace accident and fatality rates; if so, by how much?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef261a29e8014795b3ca7fa31cf3b876\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: My intention with this policy is worker safety. We want businesses, we want workers, and we want WorkSafe focused on critical risks, the activities that will lead to death and serious injury. We have had far too much focus on tick-box exercises\u2014making sure that people are complying and having a paper trail rather than identifying those critical and serious risks so we can focus on it, we can have guidance for it, and we can make sure that our workers are safe. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286c16696369f4784920766f37ee72867\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: What modelling has she commissioned that shows refocusing WorkSafe from an enforcement agency to an advisory agency will decrease workplace injury and fatality rates?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250606bb630904deb83f77ec74dafa3eb\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: I think the member will be very aware that we are a Government, we are not a business. We set the rules that allow businesses to then follow them, and there are more things that happen in a business than just the rule that the Government sets. You\u2019ve got the health and safety; you\u2019ve got the Holidays Act; you\u2019ve got so much red-tape regulation imposed by Government; you\u2019ve got individual contributions; you\u2019ve got managers, workers, individual workplace relationships. It\u2019s not possible to model every single interaction that workers and businesses have on a shop floor. But what we can say with confidence is that our intention is that we will see a decrease in deaths and a decrease in serious injury because we are asking business owners, workers, and WorkSafe to focus on reductions of critical risks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229eef65cd-ce82-441c-af1b-954ea0782a04\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca9bde1e43e244d0a56c6612657bb2e6\u0022\u003EHon Jan Tinetti\u003C/span\u003E: Does she still expect WorkSafe to undertake at least 2,200 interventions a year to ensure minimum compliance with employment standards, as they were required to do under now removed performance measures?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266f06e7e-afa8-457f-a105-048b86a13282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8d9e1356bc34d0889c0d0b3252d0bde\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: The previous Government removed and changed performance measures within WorkSafe. We have not seen good accountability of WorkSafe for years. We, as a Government, are refocusing WorkSafe\u2019s efforts so we know where the money is going, we know that it\u2019s being spent on guidance documents for businesses and workers who are struggling to know how to follow the rules. It needs to be easier, but we\u2019re also asking them to enforce the law too. You can have both the carrot and stick.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222c2d72ff52294ae69cb8bd3c91693e6a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Housing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022 data-id=\u002243449a83f3a4403bae94456e9c6640a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002243449a83f3a4403bae94456e9c6640a9\u0022\u003EPAULO GARCIA (National\u2014New Lynn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Housing: What recent announcements has he made about social housing tenancies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022 data-id=\u0022744c47b846674051a9d1aef184bf2060\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022744c47b846674051a9d1aef184bf2060\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA (Associate Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E Talofa lava e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. In March 2024, the Government directed K\u0101inga Ora to remove the Sustaining Tenancies Framework and take firm action against abusive K\u0101inga Ora tenants. Over the past 12 months to April 2025, 63 tenancies have been terminated for disruptive and abusive behaviour\u2014a significant increase on the previous 12 months, which saw 11 tenancies terminated; and two the year before, 2022-23. This is highlighting improvements in K\u0101inga Ora tenancy management as a result of firmer and faster action being taken.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022085bfc83dea84cc0afa5ea89850b6511\u0022\u003EPaulo Garcia\u003C/span\u003E: How have these improvements been achieved?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a98b6d2c35df4b6f838a8904e2d2ade7\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: Under the previous Sustaining Tenancies Framework, disruptive and abusive behaviour in taxpayer-subsidised K\u0101inga Ora homes had little formal response from K\u0101inga Ora, resulting in some communities living in angst and in fear. K\u0101inga Ora has increased their use of formal notices under the Residential Tenancies Act by 600\u00A0percent on last year\u2019s activity, with 1,463 being issued in this financial year. Where tenants receive three formal notices, K\u0101inga Ora can apply to the Tenancy Tribunal to end the tenancy. Only 2\u00A0percent of notices issued in the past 10 months have been third notices, signalling that the change of approach is working.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ed6e8a8159d45dbb6434ef467e0a139\u0022\u003EPaulo Garcia\u003C/span\u003E: What impact is this having on communities?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af45245aada8411d93171d56b19a6718\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: We believe in strong wh\u0101nau and strong communities. The vast majority of the tenants across the 76,000 K\u0101inga Ora homes are neither disruptive nor abusive. The approach this Government is taking ultimately benefits everyone involved by recalibrating negative behaviour through formal warnings and following through with real consequences in the rare circumstances that tenants\u2019 behaviour doesn\u2019t improve. This Government will not tolerate disruptive or abusive behaviour in K\u0101inga Ora housing, and there are many, many wh\u0101nau on the social housing register that are willing to move into such housing if vacated.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296b6265ed29a42ea9186016eab13a9ce\u0022\u003EPaulo Garcia\u003C/span\u003E: What supports are in place for tenants who receive formal warnings or have their tenancies terminated?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232601127-a1e9-4ba0-b6af-99865a84a209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5d95f5aed7f4422afb80be6e727ce17\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: There are many support services\u2014transitional housing, Housing First, rapid rehousing, housing support products\u2014that provide financial assistance and tautoko, including rent and bond support. K\u0101inga Ora uses relocation to another neighbourhood as a tool to incentivise tenants to change their behaviour, unless the behaviour is very severe. If the tenancy is terminated and another home is not offered, K\u0101inga Ora often seeks to help them move on by referring tenants to an alternative provider and support service. Where such wh\u0101nau have significant vulnerabilities, K\u0101inga Ora will try to work with providers and support services to secure accommodation before ending the tenancy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bfceedb784d643a8978c69e27e57545c\u0022\u003EQuestions to Members\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227682112b80844d7aa1156c3f91a54738\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Finance and Expenditure Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022116e59a22b8d47f2a094c823eb514ef9\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central)\u003C/span\u003E to the Chairperson of the Finance and Expenditure Committee: Why did he respond to the referral by the House to the Finance and Expenditure Committee of the Regulatory Standards Bill with a six-month reporting deadline by issuing a call for submissions with a four-week deadline?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u00223066d108bf1b4ad7a0aed5f4e5f7972b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223066d108bf1b4ad7a0aed5f4e5f7972b\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer (Chairperson of the Finance and Expenditure Committee):\u003C/span\u003E I received a letter as Finance and Expenditure Committee chair from the Minister for Regulation on 23\u00A0May stating that he had misspoken on his intended report back during the first reading on 22\u00A0May, when he stated, \u201CI intend to move that the bill be reported to the House by 23\u00A0December.\u201D, when he in fact meant to say 23\u00A0September. Taking the Minister at his word, my decision, which I\u2019m empowered to make as chair, was to open submissions for four weeks from 26\u00A0May. Submissions will close on 23\u00A0June. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228f7b6a0e5cfb4b71b1186f754690badc\u0022\u003EStuart Smith\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I understand that Labour are out of supplementary questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f94423f63ba4d79ba4943ff1db09f8a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, they might be, but this is nothing to do with the normal question roster, and for a question to a member, it\u2019s entirely at the Speaker\u2019s discretion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244ebd5b2534a40b3bd0b9a7a810e4e32\u0022\u003EHon Dr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: Will he call meetings and manage the Finance and Expenditure Committee\u2019s business in accordance with a shortened time frame, as requested by David Seymour; or in accordance with a six-month time frame accorded by this House, given the considerable interest in the Regulatory Standards Bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227f5a01049e24c57b12b646ba7afc953\u0022\u003ECAMERON BREWER\u003C/span\u003E: The member can make as many claims as he wants, but he is dancing on the head of a pin. Can I quote that according to McGee\u2019s Parliamentary Practice in New Zealand, \u201Cit is not uncommon for bills referred to select committee for four months to have a submissions period of four weeks\u201D. In fact, the Public Works (Critical Infrastructure) Amendment Bill and the Building and Construction (Small Stand-alone Dwellings) Amendment Bill are both currently being considered by the Transport and Infrastructure Committee for four weeks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e755179570a34ae18f1a5a2ec73ce258\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Would the member now like to address the question that was asked, which essentially was asking: is the decision of this House to be disregarded? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222372d1397215404e99e4c47ce745829c\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. This House has issued no such explicit instruction; there is no such decision to regard. There\u2019s merely a default convention. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a45046a260ab49a5b2cd82aadc5fdd22\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m sorry, but the Standing Orders disagree with you. Please answer the question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022792ca4e274374081b861d031214c9088\u0022\u003ECAMERON BREWER\u003C/span\u003E: I genuinely believe that it was not the intention of the House. The member clearly misspoke. He would not have put a seven-month report back on, nor would have he suggested it be reported back a week after Parliament rises before Christmas. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6e099d481ab43908b069706847602f9\u0022\u003EHon Dr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. The question was very simple: will he do what this House has directed; or will he do what David Seymour, by correspondence, has directed? He still hasn\u2019t addressed the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224570bde775264b0a8a232d4dda155035\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, he did in his earlier answer point to the fact that\u2014he quoted McGee, which is a great document of guidance to this House, augmented by the work of Dr David Wilson who sits in front of me, making it very clear that those decisions can be made by the chair of the select committee, which he\u2019s done. That will end the matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002284fbbdacb0c047c6bb1289613613f0a1\u0022\u003EBudget Debate\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002260eca7d932cb4b54b600ac5deb46d74c\u0022\u003EAppropriation (2025/26 Estimates) Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000226\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 22 May on the .\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00220fd13763f57140e5a868b6331a2142be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220fd13763f57140e5a868b6331a2142be\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. New Zealanders, I think, are realistic about the scale of the challenge facing this Government. They know that in November 2023, they voted for a new Government and a new direction and a change of approach away from tax, spend, and record debt. And I think over the last 18 or so months\u2014because we are at the inflection point of this Government\u2019s time in office, or at least so far\u2014the scale of the challenge has become really apparent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI think they intuitively knew back in November 2023 that things were going awry in the country. They knew that debt was up by 120\u00A0billion bucks in six years. They knew that Government spending had risen by around 80\u00A0percent in that time, and they did get to November and say, \u201CWhat have we actually accomplished in the last six years? We\u2019ve had a lot of talk about kindness and empathy. We\u2019ve had banning of oil and gas. We\u2019ve had a lot of spending. We\u2019ve had a bucket load of discussion documents, working groups.\u201D\u2014I think we got to 275 or something by the end; we had David Parker issuing industry transformation plans as if the Government could sit here in Wellington in the Beehive and write these massive doorstop documents that no one ever read apart from the officials. I think they thought, \u201CWhat have we really got to show for it? Because child poverty hasn\u2019t improved. In fact, it\u2019s got worse. The number of kids living in material hardship has increased. It\u2019s got worse.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThey looked at our energy crisis and said, \u201CWell, hang on a minute, we\u2019re importing millions of tons of Indonesian coal at the same time as we banned oil and gas exploration.\u201D They looked at our education standards and thought, \u201CWhy is it that in a country as wealthy on paper as New Zealand, kids go to school and can\u2019t read and write? Despite millions of dollars poured into the education system, educational results are getting worse because we\u2019ve got a curriculum based on airy-fairy notions, not based on facts, not based on knowledge.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThey looked at our welfare system and said, \u201CWhy is it that 18- and 19-year-olds who go on the benefit spend 20 years on average when they go on to the benefit?\u201D They looked at law and order and said, \u201CHow is it that in a country like New Zealand, we have kids as young as 14 and 15 going out at night and literally ramming the doors of dairies and Four Squares and Pak \u2018N Saves around the country, and there don\u2019t seem to be any consequences for bad behaviour? Why is it that we live in a country like that?\u201D And they thought, \u201CLaw and order is out of control, education is in crisis, you can sit around on welfare and there are no responsibilities\u2014no, there\u2019s all the rights but no responsibilities.\u201D, and they voted for a better way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EBut fundamentally underlying it all, there was a sense that the previous Government had no idea what they were doing about the genuine issues facing New Zealand. In particular, they had no real pathway forward when it comes to growth, because many of the problems facing New Zealand, like child poverty, educational underachievement, law and order, social inequity throughout our society\u2014many of those issues\u2014not all of them but many of them; I would say almost all of them\u2014are so much easier to deal with when you have an economy that is growing. And we inherited, as a Government, a recession. We inherited an economy that had not really grown for a number of years. In fact, in per capita terms, we\u2019ve been declining for a long time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWhat we have now, and this Budget demonstrates this, is a Government focused not just on the short term\u2014which is very important, and I\u2019ll turn to that\u2014but fundamentally, a Government focused on the levers of growth, dealing with the underlying economic settings that have held us back for far too long. You can see that through Resource Management Act reform. You can see that through the reforms we\u2019re making around housing. You can see that in the reforms we are making to our education system and the reforms that we are making to our welfare system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EBecause there\u2019s no one silver bullet to our productivity challenges and our growth challenges. The honest answer is we have to do a whole lot of things really well. We have to focus on a whole lot of things all at the same time, and we haven\u2019t been doing that; instead, we\u2019ve put many issues in the too-hard basket.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EBut the first task of this Government\u2014and this Budget reflects this\u2014is to get back to some level of fiscal discipline because the fiscal Armageddon that we inherited in November 2023 was utterly out of control. What last year\u2019s Budget and this year\u2019s Budget does is\u2014it\u2019s actually a concept that used to be known. It was known in the 2008 to 2017 period. It was a concept that was deleted from the dictionaries in the six years after that, and it\u2019s a concept called reprioritisation, which is that if the Government wants to spend more money on a particular thing, the first thing we should do is look at what the Government spends money on now and say, \u201CHang on a minute, might there be a better way? Might there be something we can stop doing and invest it in higher-priority areas?\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EEducation is a classic example of that. A focus on reprioritisation by the Minister of Education has meant that this Government\u2014this Government that the Opposition says hates the poor and everyone who\u2019s underprivileged in society\u2014is making the single biggest investment in learning support in a generation. Hundreds of millions of dollars for more teacher-aide hours, for early intervention, looking after those who have been failed by the system for year after year after year. And we can do that while we reprioritise lower-value expenditure inside the Ministry of Education.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ESo reprioritisation is a concept that was a foreign notion to members opposite. Grant Robertson\u2014here\u2019s how I reckon he did his Budgets: all the bids came in and he put all the bids on his big notice board in his office, then he got out his big darts and he literally just threw them at the notice board and whatever he hit went into the Budget. There was never any savings, except right at the very last minute when he tried to save his skin during the election campaign and he realised that a 2\u00A0percent baseline cut\u2014which even members on the Opposition, who were in the Government at the time, complained about that and said, \u201COh, this is going to be a nightmare. How are we going to do this? You\u2019re asking us to save money.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThis was in an environment when Government spending had gone up by 80\u00A0percent in six years\u2014baseline increases. Remember all the operating allowances? He would dutifully intone at every half-year update: \u201CThis is going to be a tough Budget. We\u2019re going to stick to our $3.5\u00A0billion new operating allowances.\u201D Everyone would say, \u201COh, yeah.\u201D\u2014and bear in mind, the operating allowance on this Budget is the lowest it\u2019s been for a decade: $1.3\u00A0billion\u2014and everyone would say, \u201COh yes, well, he\u2019s really tightening the screws on the economy this time around\u201D. Every May, on the third Thursday of the month, he\u2019d turn up and he\u2019d say, \u201COh, look, due to circumstances outside my control, we\u2019ve had to break the allowance in $4\u00A0billion, $5\u00A0billion, or $6\u00A0billion.\u201D In fact, Budget 2022, which was the nadir of this approach\u2014that\u2019s the Budget, remember, when dead people, French backpackers, and investment bankers in London got the cost of living payment; a billion-dollar payment in that year. That was counted as outside the allowance. He\u2019d invented his own fiscal rule and said, \u201CNo, no, no, we\u2019re not going to count that as recurrent spending. Just count that outside the allowance.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ESo they never got to grips with the idea that, ultimately, it is taxpayers\u2019 money. It\u2019s not the Government\u2019s money; it is taxpayers\u2019 money. It is money taken from New Zealanders, who expect us to deliver public goods and expect us to deliver on the things that they pay taxes for, like a police force, like a prison system, like an education system that actually teaches our kids how to read, like a welfare system that doesn\u2019t provide a hammock for people but makes sure that people who are in need get support, people in housing need get support, but not an endless largesse that just gives money over for nothing. And that is ultimately what they don\u2019t understand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ETheir response to the Budget has been instructive. In five days, they had five different positions on pay equity. Chris Hipkins firstly said they\u2019d reverse it. Then he said that he\u2019d changed his mind and that they\u2019d have to look at it. Then Barbara Edmonds said that they would reverse it. Then they said that they might reverse it, and then, finally, they ended up saying, \u201CWhatever happens, we\u2019ll reverse it, regardless of the cost.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWell, this Government has had to make tough decisions, and pay equity is one of those tough decisions to get the Government\u2019s books back into the black in time and to refocus the Budget on priorities that actually matter to New Zealanders. They have no plan for New Zealand other than tax, spend, and borrow and hope. As New Zealanders showed in November 2023, that is no plan at all, and I\u2019m looking forward to the next 18 months.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022 data-id=\u00228476b3b139874509977706d8a9622322\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228476b3b139874509977706d8a9622322\u0022\u003EHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour\u2014Mana):\u003C/span\u003E Clearly, there are no consequences for bad behaviour on the Government side of the House. For the last five minutes\u2014again, just like leading up to Budget\u2014all you heard from the Government benches was \u201CLabour this, Barbara Edmonds that, Chris Hipkins this\u201D because there\u2019s nothing fun in their Budget to celebrate, which is why they\u2019re concentrated on this side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EOute fa\u2019atalofa atu ma le fa\u2019aloalo, malo le soifua maua ma le lagi e mama. Manuia le vaiaso o le Gagana Samoa to the almost 214,000 Samoans in our country today. My parents came to New Zealand from Samoa to give their children a better education. Before my mother died from cancer, she was an aged-care worker who worked for various rest homes across Auckland. I come from a family of aged-care sector workers, with four aunts who have worked or currently work in that sector today. Caring is in our bones. Despite how hard the job is\u2014whether you have to hand-feed someone, whether you have to shower them, whether you have to clean up after them when they\u2019ve had an accident\u2014I am so proud of my aunties and my mother who did this very humble job despite the long hours and the low pay.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EWhat I\u2019m not proud of is this Government\u2019s Budget, so I wholeheartedly agree with Chris Hipkins and the motion he put to Parliament on 22 May that this House has no confidence in the Government\u2019s Budget. It has chosen to pay for this Budget by cutting the wages of working women. This Budget will for ever be known as the Budget that cut women\u2019s pay. Cutting women\u2019s pay to make the Budget add up was a deliberate decision by Nicola Willis and this Government. The Government changed that law under urgency, wiping 33 claims off the books, and hoped they\u2019d get away with it. But I give credit to David Seymour, the new Deputy Prime Minister: he was the one telling the truth when he said that their decision saved the Budget a staggering $12\u00A0billion\u2014$12\u00A0billion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EWhen I reflected on the speeches given by the Government Ministers, both when the legislation that set the tone for this year\u2019s Budget went through and their speeches in 2020, I heard a lot of words about our daughters and their futures. Let me make it clear: it\u2019s not about our daughters. I have six daughters, and although they are front of mind when I have to top up their phones or give them money, they are not front of my mind when we are talking about pay equity. I am thinking about the daughters of community midwives. I\u2019m thinking about the daughters of Plunket nurses, the daughters of aged-care workers and care and support workers, who are some of the hardest-working women that I know of. I\u2019m thinking of their girls, because I know my girls will be OK\u2014I know they\u2019ll be fine. They have a tertiary-educated mother who is on a six-figure salary, parents who can provide a stable, warm roof over their heads and can top up their phones whenever they need it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EWhat this Budget said to the daughters of those hard-working women is that your mother\u2019s contribution to the economy is less than a man\u2019s. When you take money that has been set aside for future pay rises and you put it into something else, that is a cut. It is, very plain and simple, a cut. If we are not here in this House to lift the wages of low-income and our lowest-paid workers, why are we here? Ask yourself that question. Why are you here? Why are members of this House here but for lifting the wages of everyday Kiwis? If growth was a panacea for lifting wages, then why did we even need an Equal Pay Act in the first place? We needed it because there were clear structural issues. This National-led Government has lifted up the ladder after them, and they should be ashamed. Every single one of those Government members should be ashamed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EYou hear a lot about the growth Budget, and, speaking of the growth Budget, I agree again with Chris Hipkins: this is a growth Budget all right\u2014growth in unemployment. There will be 22,000 more people on the jobseeker benefit as a result of this Government\u2019s decisions. Growth in New Zealanders leaving, as it\u2019s clear to them this Budget had nothing in there for them, to keep them in our country, and the Government doesn\u2019t value their skills. The number of graduate nurses I have spoken to in the last year who, due to the hiring freezes by this Government, have been unable to secure a job a year later, unable to secure a job despite finishing their studies and qualifying, is a shameful, shameful indictment on this Government, who seem to know about the cost of everything but the value of nothing. New Zealand might as well be known as the \u201CUniversity of Australia\u201D, where you can train here, you can qualify, get a plane ticket, go to Australia where you will earn more money and buy your first home.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EThis is a growth Budget all right: this is a growth Budget for homelessness. Savings of a billion dollars by tightening the criteria in access to emergency housing is evident by the number of homeless people on our streets. You need only walk through the Auckland CBD; you need only walk through the Wellington CBD to see the number of homeless people who are on our streets every day. When housing support advocates are saying we have a problem\u2014we have a problem\u2014you need to listen to them. Vicki Sykes, the chief executive of the Monte Cecilia Housing Trust, says, \u201CWe see every day more and more people coming to us desperate for housing and finding it more difficult to navigate MSD.\u201D Clearly, the Ministry of Social Development have a lack of resources, and the Minister has said he\u2019s shifting the focus to the jobseeker support. However, that doesn\u2019t solve the issue of homelessness and emergency housing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EThis is a growth Budget: a growth in waiting lists by failing to adequately service our healthcare needs in this country. It\u2019s no wonder why we have Middlemore Hospital, in one of our highest-needs areas in the country, reporting that we have 1,500\u20141,500\u2014patients who were treated in corridors over a period of just over a month. This is an absolute disgrace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EThis is also the Budget of growing hopelessness for our young people, for our rangatahi. This Budget raided their KiwiSaver accounts. It left more out in the cold by saying to 18- and 19-year-olds, \u201CYou now have to depend on your parents. You\u2019re old enough to drink, you\u2019re old enough to vote, but, actually, you now have to depend on your parents.\u201D Where are the jobs for these 18- and 19-year-olds? When unemployment is now forecast to be higher than Nicola Willis\u2019 own half-yearly economic update, where are the jobs? Where are the supports to get our youth into jobs, employment, or training? Where are the apprenticeships? Where is the support for our tertiary education sector? This Budget leaves our universities uncertain about their ability to deliver their programmes because of funding shortages. That\u2019s not the New Zealand we need right now. These young 18-year-olds as well, due to the cuts in the KiwiSaver Government contribution, will now have $66,000 less when they go to retire\u2014they will have $66,000 less.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EFinally, this Budget just reinforces the economic mismanagement by this cruel and visionless Government. The Government have and are continuing to mismanage our economy. They have shrunk the economy, which is why they need to borrow more, and growth is lower than when we left the books in the pre-election fiscal update in 2023\u2014it\u2019s worse. Yes, every country has had post-pandemic issues; everyone acknowledges that, but we are doing much worse than others because the National Party and the National-led Government have mismanaged this economy. And Nicola Willis has just shrunk the pie. She\u2019s given the best pieces of it to foreign tech companies, to landlords, to tobacco companies, and now the gas industry. But she\u2019s telling New Zealand families, communities, workers, especially working women: \u201CYou can just have the crumbs.\u201D\u2014you can just have the crumbs. I\u2019m still looking for that family, that mysterious ghost family who was applicable for a $250 tax cut. I\u2019m waiting for the Government to tell me about where they are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261725fea-7d5e-4d1f-8fd3-e5779bb7a14d\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, every Budget is a choice. These choices are meant to reflect the underlying values of the Government of the day. The decision to cut women\u2019s pay is not just bad for the economy; it\u2019s a direct assault on our values as New Zealanders. We, the Labour Party, stand with working women across the country. We\u2019re not going to let the Government assault what we value as a country: a job with decent pay for a day\u2019s work, a home that we can call our own, and access to healthcare when we need it the most. I do not commend this Budget to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1dbe57248fe464e97f4479e3b8fc7fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1dbe57248fe464e97f4479e3b8fc7fa\u0022\u003ECAMERON BREWER (National\u2014Upper Harbour):\u003C/span\u003E If you ever want any indication of how bereft the Labour Party are of ideas, take a look on their website\u2014the Labour Party website. They have not put a media statement out for eight days\u2014not a media statement out for eight days\u2014in fact, their last media statement, on Monday 26 May, was talking about bugs on school lunches or something. They are so irrelevant with their ideas, they have no plan, they have no ideas, and now they walk out behind themselves wondering what\u2019s coming up next. Well, I\u2019ll tell you what\u2019s coming up next. What\u2019s coming up next is the Fieldays\u2014oh, the Fieldays\u2014and there is going to be a lot of fun at the Fieldays. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EThe Labour Party tent\u2014and I think it will be a tent, because I don\u2019t know if they\u2019ll be bold enough to put up a marquee\u2014it\u2019ll be a very small tent, and they\u2019ll be in very new red bands. And the Labour Party tent, what will it say? If you listen to everything that they say in the House, we can only anticipate that they will be going out there saying, \u201CReverse Investment Boost. Reverse Investment Boost.\u201D Any of those farmers that wanted, or are getting already, 20\u00A0percent off their taxable income, off equipment, off tools, off tractors, and that\u2014no, Labour, we presume, are reversing Investment Boost. What else are they going to be doing? Are they going to be reversing the KiwiSaver changes\u2014bring back the Government contribution for those earning $180,000-plus? Is that the Labour Party policy? Did the Labour Party address that in six years? No, they just keep pouring in a Government contribution to those earning over $180,000.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EWhat about reversing learning support? All the extra funding and all the extra support that this Government is putting in\u2014are they going to reverse that? In fact, why didn\u2019t they do it? Why didn\u2019t they do it when they had six years, and frankly, an absolute majority. They could have whipped that up in the caucus room, brought it out here, and put billions of dollars towards learning support\u2014millions and millions, over many years\u2014and they chose not to. They chose not to. If I go around my schools in Upper Harbour, some of the schools say that up to\u2014if not more than\u201420\u00A0percent of the kids have higher needs and need learning support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EWe inherited an economy where inflation was 7.3\u00A0percent. Inflation is now down to 2.5\u00A0percent. Our fiscal policy and our careful fiscal management, our spending management, our constrained Government spending is complementing the Reserve Bank\u2019s monetary policy beautifully. Our operating allowance, as Mr Bishop told us, of $1.3\u00A0billion\u2014that new money\u2014is the lowest it\u2019s been for a decade, and that is due to the reprioritisations where every Minister\u2014that we are so proud of, whether they be National, whether they be ACT, or whether they be New Zealand First\u2014has gone through all their expenditure and found savings, putting it from the back office to the front office, putting it into high value projects. And that is what we are supporting today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EWith the last Government we saw, from 2019 to 2024, net Crown debt increase dangerously from $58\u00A0billion to $175\u00A0billion. That is their legacy. That is their legacy. The saddest thing about that is it just loads it on the next generation. We will be bringing it down per GDP\u2014don\u2019t you worry about that. But the interest bill on that, in the meantime, is nearly $9\u00A0billion dollars\u2014nearly $9\u00A0billion\u2014nearly tripling under the last Government. As we often say, on this side of the House: thanks, Labour\u2014thanks! We\u2019re here to fix up the mess. As that ANZ economist said, in the New Zealand Herald, not so long ago, we are here to clean up the mess.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EKiwiSaver: we are really proud of what we\u2019ve done with KiwiSaver. We are really proud with what we\u2019ve done there, and Barbara Edmonds can go on all she wants about the Government contribution. Let\u2019s put that in some context. We have reduced the Government contribution\u2014the maximum Government contribution\u2014by $260 a year. That is $5 a week that we have reduced the contribution by. But by increasing the default contribution, by both employers and employees, over three years\u2014from 3\u00A0percent to 3.5\u00A0percent to 4\u00A0percent\u2014we are ensuring that our young working New Zealanders now will be hundreds of thousands of dollars\u2019 worth better off at the end of their working career, when they go into retirement, than what would have been, so forget about this end of the Government contribution; that is $5 a week. What we have ensured with this Budget is that our contribution, by default, is lifting up that much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve also ensured that the KiwiSaver is now extended to 16- and 17-year-olds. They are now eligible for Government contributions and for employer contributions, and why wouldn\u2019t we allow our young people? Why aren\u2019t they backing our young people? Why isn\u2019t the Green Party\u2014the supposed \u201Cparty of the youth\u201D\u2014why aren\u2019t they saying to 16- and 17-year-olds that are working part-time and full-time, \u201CYou too can get a Government contribution. You too can have your employer contribute and match\u201D? No\u2014they voted against that. They voted against that. This comes in an environment where we know that our superannuation costs are blowing out. They will be $71\u00A0billion in 25 years, by 2050.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EInvestment Boost: in the nearly 30 years I\u2019ve been in and around politics, or as a member of the National Party, I\u2019ve never seen a positive policy come out of a Budget that\u2019s given so much traction and had so much excitement and so much positive response than the Investment Boost. And why is that? Because basically\u2014I\u2019m sure there\u2019s a little asterisk and caveats here\u2014it applies to every business in New Zealand. That means that you can get 20\u00A0percent off at tax time. It\u2019s a rebate\u201420\u00A0percent off\u2014whether it be office equipment, whether it be tools, whether it be tractors at the Fieldays, whether it be that $1,000 laptop, or whether it be the $1\u00A0million commercial building. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EAnd we are a country of small businesses. Ninety-seven\u00A0percent of our businesses in New Zealand employ 20 or fewer people. We have got over 600,000 small businesses, and now they have got this brilliant policy, where they can bring their investment forward, they can invest in their businesses, it will lift capital investment, and it will boost productivity. That is something that we are really proud of, and that is something, if you don\u2019t know anything about it\u2014and I\u2019m talking to truth radio and Parliament TV here\u2014then you need to get out and find out about it. Ask your accountant. Ask your business adviser. Investment Boost is an amazing thing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EFinally, I wanted to talk about what I think, for me, is the third most important thing in this Budget, and that is learning support. Learning support, as our fantastic Minister of Education\u2014I know what one principal in my area said: \u201CWe are just pleased that there\u2019s a Minister of Education that doesn\u2019t start every sentence with \u2018When I was a principal.\u2019\u00A0\u201D That used to drive them completely mad: \u201CWhen I was a principal.\u201D No, this Minister of Education is putting in the biggest package into learning support in a generation, and what does that mean for additional teacher-aide hours? Eight hundred and ninety-six thousand additional hours this financial year, lifting to over 2\u00A0million in 2028-29.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EThis is a significant, significant package for learning support, for those higher-needs kids. As the Hon Erica Stanford said, \u201CParents across the country should know\u2014if your child needs extra help, they\u2019re going to get it.\u201D This is great news for our principals; this is great news for our teachers. Because we\u2019ve all been hauled into the principal\u2019s office\u2014I more so than most\u2014and they have said, \u201CWe are sick of having to pick kids\u2014who gets the Ongoing Resourcing Scheme funding and who doesn\u2019t.\u201D Well, this is demand-led. Any child in this country that\u2019s got higher needs will finally get the support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003EThey call themselves a caring, compassionate Labour Party. They didn\u2019t give this support. We\u2019re giving this support. They didn\u2019t make the changes to KiwiSaver. We\u2019re making the changes to KiwiSaver. They didn\u2019t back small- and medium-sized businesses. We\u2019re backing business. This is a great Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022 data-id=\u00222465ab5af6cd493586a8480a76dfd38b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222465ab5af6cd493586a8480a76dfd38b\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E This Budget reminds me of one of the most difficult patients I\u2019ve ever had to look after. I remember in the late 2000s working in old ward 16 of Wellington Hospital with a mid-aged 50-ish year-old man, a white South African migrant to New Zealand who had one of the worst gastrointestinal bleeds I\u2019ve ever seen. I and three nurses worked all night to keep that man alive. We really struggled, and we were putting blood into him as fast as it was coming out. He actually made it, which we were very pleased about, but the fact is you cannot go on like that for long. That reminds me of this Budget because that is exactly what is happening to the health system. This Government will crow about record investment to the health system, but the fact is that funding is ripped away the moment it lands in the health system\u2019s books.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003ELast year, the Government funded the health system to $1.3\u00A0billion, mostly by cuts made to the health system\u2019s own budget. This year, they have funded the health system an extra $1.3\u00A0billion, and that is almost entirely swallowed up by the health system\u2019s deficit, which stands at $1.1\u00A0billion. While there is money moving around the Government\u2019s books, the fact is none of it is landing in the services New Zealanders need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard about how increased superannuation costs for employers\u2014including the health system\u2014are landing in Health New Zealand\u2019s baseline, so they\u2019ll have to find money for that. The Government\u2019s botched pay equity promises have to be funded out of Health New Zealand\u2019s budget, so that\u2019s another call that they weren\u2019t anticipating on their budget. That means very little is left for pay rises or filling the vacancies we know exist in our health system. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EWe need more doctors, more nurses, more social workers, more midwives because every year the health system has to look after more people, and older people. That is why every year the health system is said by Treasury to need that $1.3\u00A0billion or more, and yet it will not be available to our health system this year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard this afternoon in Parliament about Middlemore Hospital, and I think it is an example that shows the impact of this Government\u2019s underfunding on the health system. They received a report that said a record 1,500 people waited in corridors over a month in Middlemore emergency department (ED), there were 46 instances of serious harm, and people dying in undignified settings. They raised the alarm about this. They asked for $3.6\u00A0million and that could not be found for a large ED in our largest city. That is the state of it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EThe Government is underfunding the health system because it is not putting up the money it needs to keep going and to keep up with growing numbers. The Government will wave its hands and say, \u201COh well, we\u2019ve got targets.\u201D Well, can I point out that a target without the resourcing to deliver it is nothing but a cynical exercise in shifting blame from the Government\u2014who should take responsibility for funding\u2014on to clinicians who struggle to meet those targets without resources.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve seen a series of announcements in this Budget about capital expenditure. The total capital expenditure in this Budget is $1\u00A0billion, far less than in every other year under Labour except for the last year where it was nothing. The fact is this Government, when we know we have an infrastructure debt, is underfunding the building of hospitals. That\u2019s why Nelson is only getting half the hospital they need. Dunedin\u2019s hospital was scaled back. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003ELet me bring you back to Wellington Hospital\u2014where I worked for all of my career before coming to Parliament. What happened there? Well, we moved into a new hospital in 2009 and moved out of the ward in which I cared for that man with his terrible bleeding event\u2014we moved into a new hospital. The other day I saw Simeon Brown standing outside that new hospital saying it needed another 36 beds, only 15 years after we got our new hospital. That is what happens when you underfund capital expenditure. When you scale back every build, these once-in-a-generation projects have to be redone every decade. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022aed260be-c954-464b-bb75-85579e53d05a\u0022\u003EThis Government is underfunding health. Do not believe what they say about record investment. It is all going on Health New Zealand\u2019s deficit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022 data-id=\u00226b7afb7816dc48e4bcb7f8bc86851dfa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b7afb7816dc48e4bcb7f8bc86851dfa\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri):\u003C/span\u003E We know things are pretty dire when the emergency departments at hospitals become the place of last resort for people with mental illness. That is exactly what is happening, thanks to this Government and a lousy Budget that put virtually no new money into mental health. We know that mental health is getting worse under this Government. When we look at the context, we can see cuts to places like Segar House in Auckland, which is needed for chronically suicidal people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EWe have the Mental Health and Wellbeing Commission, which last week reported that fewer people are accessing specialist services and addiction services, despite the fact that the Government\u2019s own reporting shows a significant increase in the waste-water testing with drugs showing. So how is it that they are not accessing it? Well, the Government\u2019s own report from the Mental Health and Wellbeing Commission says it is to do with the workforce gaps. The Budget would have been the perfect opportunity to address that, including the 1,594 fulltime-equivalents that the NCAT\u2014which is the National Committee for Addiction Treatment\u2014has identified as missing from the non-governmental organisation (NGO) front line. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EBut no they did not. Instead, they threw a paltry bit of money to help the transition at emergency departments for the withdrawal of police. That was far too little, far too late. We have already seen traumatised staff members, traumatised patients, traumatised clinicians, traumatised people under the Mental Health Act because there has not been a strategy in place. There is no comprehensive strategy. The mental health workers do not have restraint powers and do not want restraint powers. And the work has simply not been done to equip them. That is something that should have been thought of long ago. The money that went into that could have gone into the front line, into addiction services; instead, it\u2019s a bit of a patch-up job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EMeanwhile, there have been cuts to the funded sector. There are some 56,000 people every year that access those front-line NGO services. And yet, we have had 5,000 people in the sector who now will have their pay equity claims cut. They are experiencing burnout. Many of them have gone to Australia. There is no pathway for them to get that pay equity sorted out. They are in a context of Oranga Tamariki contracts that have been cut. And now, just last week, many reputable addiction services throughout the motu have received a pro forma letter from this Government, saying that they\u2019ve got contracts coming up, rolling over in 30 June or 30 September\u2014didn\u2019t even distinguish which timeline\u2014and said, \u201CYou might get a letter saying that your services are being extended.\u201D But no specificity of which contracts, no specificity of whether they will be able to keep their staff on, and just a pro forma letter\u2014absolutely lousy. It\u2019s probably a result of the fact that this Government has gutted the Public Service and didn\u2019t have the staff to write the letters properly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EThey would not run a business like this. How do they expect the NGO sector, who are dealing with a front-line mental health crisis and mental trauma, to be doing the work when they\u2019re putting them in this pressure cooker? No pay equity, burnout, uncertainty over contracts, no workforce plan, and a little bit of money going towards transitioning away from the police. Absolutely hopeless Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EAnd then they talk about baselines. Even on TVNZ on Saturday night, the Minister for Mental Health referred to the psychiatry baseline of 33 psychiatrists. Well, where on earth did that figure come from? Because the royal Australia - New Zealand psychiatrists group have the information that the baseline is actually 44. They did that work in conjunction with the Government\u2014it is a shared document with Health New Zealand. But the Government insists on making those baselines look better so that they can game them. We\u2019ve seen that with the psychology roles as well. They gamed them from 90 down to 50 to make them easier to achieve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EInstead of putting money into this Budget, the Government instead tries to fiddle with the goalposts, fiddle with the narrative, and say, \u201CEverything\u2019s going OK.\u201D Well, I tell you it\u2019s not. And where we see the evidence of that is in the emergency departments. That is where we are seeing homeless people turn up. That is where we are seeing people with mental trauma turn up. That is where we are seeing people waiting for hours and hours, unable to be seen because there is not the front-line workforce to support them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003ESo when it comes to the health budget, mental health\u2014which should have been a deserving recipient\u2014got absolutely nothing. Shameful day. Mental health is getting worse under this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022 data-id=\u002206c12ebf7dad489abdc4fb06ca8a9efc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002206c12ebf7dad489abdc4fb06ca8a9efc\u0022\u003ERYAN HAMILTON (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m so proud to be able to speak on Budget 2025. There are so many good things to say about it, and yet I\u2019ve only got 10\u00A0minutes to say it all. But the good news is that there are lots of us on this side of the House who are also going to share and take different parts to really break down the goodness that is the Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EI remember at campaign time, our Prime Minister said that we don\u2019t have a tax problem in this country but a spending problem. Over the last couple of Budgets, we\u2019ve worked diligently to restrain poor spending and reprioritise that into the things that are most important to New Zealand around health, law and order, and education, and I\u2019m going to help break down just a little of that shortly. This Budget is a responsible Budget. It\u2019s not just about rebuilding our economy but also the confidence of hard-working New Zealanders who deserve much better for their taxes and trust in Government. This Budget is a Budget that faces the facts. It doesn\u2019t duck all the hard calls or scoot it off to the next lot; it deals with it head on, and it\u2019s a perfect Budget for the environment we find ourselves in. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EAs a previous speaker, Cameron Brewer, alluded to, we inherited a debt problem of $9\u00A0billion interest a year\u2014$9\u00A0billion. In a constrained environment and in a recessionary environment, with high inflation and high interest over the last two years, our Minister of Finance has worked diligently to claw that back and provide a Budget that New Zealand can be proud of, and I want to just focus on a few of those things today. I want to talk about KiwiSaver and I want to talk about the additional investment in health, education, and law and order; the launch of the Investment Boost and Invest New Zealand; our funding to support our Defence Force; the new infrastructure of $1\u00A0billion in hospitals and $700\u00A0million in schools; and, of course, the targeted cost of living to middle and low income New Zealanders, not to mention the largest boost in a generation to our schools with Ongoing Resourcing Scheme (ORS) funding in our special needs. It\u2019s so important and so crucial. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003ELet me start with KiwiSaver. I\u2019m so pleased that our Government is lifting those minimum thresholds from 3\u00A0percent to 4\u00A0percent, both for employees and for employers. It\u2019s such a key change and it\u2019s only a small thing, but compounded over time, it makes such a big difference. We know that last year, 42,000 Kiwis used their KiwiSaver to get into their first homes\u201442,000 Kiwis\u2014and now that not only are we dropping the age to 16- and 17-year-olds to get the Government contribution but employers can contribute up to 4\u00A0percent as well, it\u2019s going to make a significant difference to getting our young people into homes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EThe housing challenge in New Zealand is real, and we\u2019re hitting it from all angles. From KiwiSaver and from an investment in infrastructure perspective to social housing, emergency housing, and affordable housing, we\u2019re doing it all, and, of course, expanding the financial literacy programme in schools is just brilliant. Combining that with KiwiSaver at a young age, it\u2019s just going to give our people the ability to retire with dignity, and we know that that\u2019s a really important thing, which I think we agree on, on both sides of the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EI want to talk a little bit about Investment Boost. We\u2019re reigniting the engine room, as it were, and we\u2019ve heard about Fieldays. I\u2019m sure that just about everyone in this House is looking forward to Fieldays. We\u2019re looking forward to being there, in force, with our blue Swanndris and our blue jackets and our gumboots, and we\u2019ll even wander past the Labour tent and offer them a coffee. They might be a bit cold out there and we\u2019d want to extend a nice coffee to them, as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EBut I was talking to one of the businesses that will be\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002239cecb424c51426b88a05099ad0a3e7c\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I was just wondering what this is about the cold! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227436adbe876d4582942b240776ca11f4\u0022\u003ERYAN HAMILTON\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right. Power Farming Waikato\u2014they\u2019re based in Morrinsville. I rang the CEO just before, and I asked what was some of the feedback he\u2019d heard around Investment Boost. He said, \u201CI\u2019ve heard lots of good things. It feels like somebody is listening. Finally, a Government that supports farmers.\u201D, and that\u2019s awesome. They\u2019re a major New Zealand - wide firm and they\u2019re in Australia and they\u2019re in America. They\u2019re a big player, but they\u2019ve got their feet on the ground and their feed in Red Band gumboots. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EI talked to the new Fieldays CEO, Richard Lindroos, just before, and he said he\u2019s had great feedback from both exhibitors and the farming community. He said that on the back of the official cash rate dropping\u2014well, I added the banking inquiry\u2014the banking inquiry that\u2019s being conducted putting sunlight on rural lending, good Fonterra payouts, and now accelerated depreciation, he\u2019s very excited about the Fieldays, Madam Speaker, and I can see by the glint in your eye that possibly you are too. It\u2019s just going to be fantastic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EFieldays is the largest event in the Southern Hemisphere, and over 100,000 visitors are going to be there. Will you be there, Dan Bidois? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265091a2e2a3a4a929fc6f75bca2d851d\u0022\u003EDan Bidois\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll be there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed6c200c6f714897a89433a3fd4bb8fe\u0022\u003ERYAN HAMILTON\u003C/span\u003E: Will you be there, Cameron Brewer? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4b530f520024a8fa1bdd70072f5604b\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: Oh yeah, I\u2019ll be going. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc08102f9c994e0eb98cb974880f8c00\u0022\u003ERYAN HAMILTON\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, fantastic. It\u2019s going to be awesome. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EActually, on that note, mentioning Fieldays being the largest event in the Southern Hemisphere\u2014just up from the good, fastest-growing city of Hamilton\u2014may I just acknowledge the outgoing CEO, Peter Nation, who has served in that capacity excellently over the last few years and who was also a recent recipient in the King\u2019s honours and was made an Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit for his services to the agricultural industry and for governance. This is also on the back of international flights coming out of Waikato next Monday, with Jetstar flying to the Gold Coast and Sydney just before the Fieldays, which is going to be fantastic. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EBut back to the Budget. I want to talk about Invest New Zealand. We\u2019ve got Investment Boost, which is accelerated depreciation\u2014which has been talked about. It supports business investing in capital, which means they can invest in their business, which supports growth, productivity, and more employees, which is really important. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EBut with Invest New Zealand, our Prime Minister has been going overseas, and he said that Kiwis have been going over for a long time and it\u2019s all very nice and they\u2019re very polite, but we just haven\u2019t had a commercial arrangement and not much commercial dealings. So what we\u2019re creating is a one-stop shop. So $85\u00A0million is being established over four years to set up Invest New Zealand. New Zealand\u2019s economy has been shrinking per capita, and we\u2019ve been losing ground. Business confidence has dropped and the cost of capital has soared, so this Budget answers that with Invest New Zealand and, of course, Investment Boost, which I mentioned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EInvest New Zealand is a dedicated investment-attraction agency designed to bring high-quality capital into our regions, into our industries, and into our innovation sectors. It\u2019s about getting capital flowing again, especially for high-tech advanced manufacturing, clean energy, and agritech sectors, where New Zealand can win globally. This isn\u2019t about picking winners; it\u2019s about removing friction, removing bureaucracy, and supporting regional start-ups, deep tech, and R\u00A0\u0026amp;\u00A0D, where Investment Boost can co-invest with private capital. This includes supporting M\u0101ori enterprise, regional start-ups, and a whole bunch of other capabilities and capacities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EThis is really exciting. This is about New Zealand growing up and setting up the shop that will not only enable foreign direct investment (FDI) but actually show the pathways and create those opportunities. It\u2019s about New Zealand growing up. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EThe main function of Invest New Zealand will be to facilitate and enable increased investment from overseas. It\u2019s going to be fantastic. While not prescribed within the Act, it will also enable Invest New Zealand to operate activities such as attracting FDI, encouraging multinational companies to set up operations in New Zealand, and acting as a one-stop shop for all unsolicited investment inquiries. It will be maintaining a pipeline of investable opportunities and investor onboarding, facilitating collaboration, and supporting existing investors. It\u2019s very exciting, and I\u2019m looking forward to\u2014I think, hopefully, we will go to the committee of the whole House later tonight, with Minister \u201CTrade\u201D McClay, and that\u2019s going to be awesome to see that going. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EI do want to touch a little bit on education. As has been mentioned by Cameron Brewer, this has been one of the largest investments in education\u2014and particularly learning support\u2014in a generation. I\u2019ve been visiting schools this year. I was at Hamilton Boys\u2019 High School, Woodstock Primary School, Hamilton East School, and Peachgrove Intermediate School, and when I\u2019m sitting in those smoko rooms with staff, I\u2019ll always get winged by a couple of people who are just saying, \u201CWe need help with learning support and the ORS funding. It\u2019s our biggest challenge.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EBack when I went to school, there might have been a couple of kids challenged with learning and capability, but that demand has grown through attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, fetal alcohol syndrome, autism, English as a second language\u2014all these challenges\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205d4aef324d948e7aaeb69dbd8599940\u0022\u003EDan Bidois\u003C/span\u003E: Dyslexia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206254a06bd954e25beade55e33c8025c\u0022\u003ERYAN HAMILTON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and dyslexia\u2014there\u2019s more. What\u2019s the other one there? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275a166407917489c9a7bd5a6d4f670d8\u0022\u003EDan Bidois\u003C/span\u003E: Dyspraxia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229807ca31944a421b92a9ec075a8d6a5c\u0022\u003ERYAN HAMILTON\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. You know, that\u2019s just such a challenge on our teachers. It\u2019s not only an unfair disadvantage for those children but it\u2019s a disruption to those in the class, and it was so good to see so much investment in this space. There is $266\u00A0million to extend the Early Intervention Service from early childhood education to the end of year 1 primary, which is also crucial and is so much needed. There is $122\u00A0million to meet increased demand for the Ongoing Resourcing Scheme; $192\u00A0million to ensure that over three years, all years 1 to 8 schools and kura are funded for a learning support coordinator; $43\u00A0million for an extra 78 fulltime-equivalent speech language therapists; $3\u00A0million of investment in our teacher-aides; $4\u00A0million to employ 25 intern educational psychologists; and $90\u00A0million of capital for our schools. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s so much good stuff in this Budget. I\u2019m so excited and I\u2019m so pleased to see it get through urgency the other week, and I look forward to continuing the other stages of legislation to help New Zealand to be all that it can be. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00225d3e80e2d6e84d8e836a52a000041d08\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225d3e80e2d6e84d8e836a52a000041d08\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u002220d1e8faee0e44e19c55e9cd0d315604\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002220d1e8faee0e44e19c55e9cd0d315604\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Speaker, thank you very much. I first want to acknowledge that it\u2019s pretty obvious that in Aotearoa, our people value our living systems, our thriving wildlife, our natural resources, our natural world. Whether it\u2019s our fresh water, our oceans, our clean and healthy soil, our air, our native species\u2014which includes our animals, yes, but also our plants and our trees\u2014we love them all around the country, all different corners of our country. We have a generational agreement that we cherish our precious taonga of Papat\u016B\u0101nuku, which is why I was not surprised but disappointed to see that this Budget, again, is a clear choice from this Government that they do not prioritise protecting and conserving our natural world, our natural heritage for mokopuna to come. Preserving our land, our natural living systems, is a responsibility that we have to mokopuna generations to come, to those not even here, and a Government Budget reflects the choices and the values that it places on different parts of who we are and what we believe is important. So this Budget is absolutely putting nature further at risk. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EIf I can, we are talking about Budget 2025, but I think it\u2019s relevant to also note that no Budget sits in an isolated self, that we also note the funding cuts to the Department of Conservation (DOC) from Budget 2024. Hopefully, we\u2019ll have seen that in this Budget, then, it recognises the massive pressure that our Department of Conservation are having to withstand, and we\u2019ll have seen more investment into protecting and conserving nature. But instead, we saw more cuts\u2014and I will go quickly over some of the cuts\u2014but the impact of the cuts, and the ongoing cuts that we are seeing from this Government, means that, currently, we have 4,000 precious native species at risk of extinction. The cuts to the work to protect them means that we are going to end up saying goodbye to some of\u2014and this is the only country where they are\u2014our own native species. Once the species is gone, that\u2019s it. We cannot reverse extinction. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EOne would think that every Government places at its heart a priority to at least protect our native species. What we have seen instead in this Government\u2019s Budget, even just 2025, with things like closing the M\u0101tauranga Kura Taiao Fund; closing the Nature Heritage Fund; ending the discretionary Treaty of Waitangi grant payments for conservation\u2014look, which was already measly, where iwi and hap\u016B already uphold incredible generosity\u2014disestablishing\u2014oh my goodness!\u2014Predator Free, a cut of $12.6\u00A0million to one of the most successful community-led initiatives, one that I know National Governments have stood in communities and heralded\u2014heralded over successive Governments as well\u2014but a massive cut to that; the closure of the Crown Land Acquisition Fund; the reduction in policy services\u2014the reduction in policy services, on top of a wildlife Act that was rushed through urgency to enable the killing of one of our native species like kiwi and that will require the Department of Conservation to actually do more administrative work to enable that legislation to go through. But instead, we are seeing more cuts to the back rooms of the people who actually need to do the extra work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003EThese are choices. These are values that any Government highlights, and I am proud to say to New Zealanders that we should be investing further in protecting our environment, rather than cutting; that the Greens in Government managed to secure the largest investment in conservation ever. We would continue to make those choices of prioritising the oranga of Papat\u016B\u0101nuku for generations to come. Those are the choices that the Greens have always been clear about, have got a successful record on in securing. That is the differentiation: that we are clear to the people of this country what we care about. The continued squeeze on DOC funding ultimately puts its projects, its work, and our shared environment at risk. Our responsibility to generations to come to protect Papat\u016B\u0101nuku under this Budget are made clear; that this Government is neglecting that responsibility. I am proud that we have given people another choice to what this Budget and its cuts have presented to the people. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb0e03ae7e39487096e4267f0d63adef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb0e03ae7e39487096e4267f0d63adef\u0022\u003EH\u016AHANA LYNDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Speaker. I rise on behalf of Te R\u014Dp\u016B K\u0101k\u0101riki to speak about the health system\u2014and a cup of tea that I shared with a rural GP in Northland. He said to me\u2014which was so disturbing\u2014that he believed that our health system was on life support. He shared that, and he was shy, because he\u2019s trying his best in rural Northland to serve a community that is spread across dusty roads with limited access and not enough internet to connect up and deliver sufficient services into backlogged rural Northland. And to hear that from someone on the front line, I\u2019m disappointed in what the Budget has brought forward for primary care but also for hospital services and for our kaimahi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003EWhen I reflect on what our unions have told us, the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists have already said that the additional funding provided in this Budget is not enough to keep up the public health system, even at a standstill. Because we need to remember that health inflation is higher than general inflation\u2014remember that. Demographics, population growth, looking at the rurality of our communities, our health inflation continues to rise and the investment of this Government continues to drop and create further inequities between the haves and the have-nots. Because healthcare is not a luxury; it\u2019s a human right. And whether you live in Palmerston North; in Te R\u0101whiti, Northland; in Central Auckland; or here in Wellington, you should be able to access quality, timely healthcare assistance\u2014wherever you come from. And that\u2019s what we\u2019re not seeing in this Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003EThis Budget is shutting its doors on the very kaimahi who are on the front line as you turn your back on pay parity for our care workers and as you turn your back on the pay difference between those nurses who are in hospitals, \u201Cte hunga whai rawa\u201D [\u201Cthe wealthy\u201D]\u2014an up to 20\u00A0percent difference compared to those who work for M\u0101ori health providers and community services and primary care. Pay parity is a right. Why can we not recognise those who are on the front line servicing the health and wellbeing of our elders in aged care, our kaimahi as community health workers, and those who are in communities driving long distances, unable to get the parity that they deserve as wahine in community compared to those who work in the hospital system?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003ENow, if we look at what\u2019s happening right now, I just received in my inbox an email from the New Zealand Nurses Organisation, who, on behalf of the staff of Wellington Regional Hospital, Kenepuru, and Hutt Valley, have reached out and said, \u201CThere is understaffing in our hospitals\u201D, that the EDs are being crippled by the burden of so many wh\u0101nau coming in through the front door. And they say, \u201CStaffing is still an ongoing issue across Wellington Regional Hospital, Kenepuru, and the Hutt Valley.\u201D That just dropped into my emails just five minutes ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003ENow, we can\u2019t say that the Budget has delivered outcomes for all\u2014not at all. You can say that you\u2019ve provided a boost in primary care, after hours, urgent care\u2014kia ora; additional funding for training of doctors and nursing and then extending access to prescriptions; oh well, kia ora t\u0101tou\u2014but you\u2019ve turned your back on the 33 claims for pay parity. You\u2019re turning your back on Wellington Regional Hospital, Kenepuru, Hutt Valley as the staff are pleading for further resource to the front line, where they are saying they do not feel safe in the workplace because they don\u2019t have enough colleagues and staffing around them, and that the charge nurses are under pressure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003EAnd when do we really look at our EDs? We\u2019ve heard it in the House already around our EDs being under pressure because the burden of health impact is hitting the front door of hospitals. It\u2019s not in primary care. Our doctors are full. Our doctors are full in primary care. And yep, you might train a few more doctors, but half of them are retiring, too\u2014just saying. We need to bring in a workforce plan that is connected and provides more space in universities than existing training programmes\u2014not creating a new one at Waikato University that\u2019s not even relevant. Just lift the numbers that are available in Otago. They just celebrated a massive anniversary, a milestone, last week. Lift those numbers\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d285e33ee844113bc5cf9345248ec1b\u0022\u003ERyan Hamilton\u003C/span\u003E: We did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224eb5eb7237d54c25b828a1b5e40cc219\u0022\u003EH\u016AHANA LYNDON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and provide the space. No, no, no, no, this is tangible. This is for rural Northland. This is for Palmerston North. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e12b233b5d6d47ce9af21203dd6319eb\u0022\u003EAndy Foster\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s what we\u2019re doing; you\u2019ve missed it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286956e31d8c64027a4b0fa7464dadb83\u0022\u003EH\u016AHANA LYNDON\u003C/span\u003E: Oh no, no, I\u2019m really well aware of what\u2019s going on in primary care and they feel ignored despite the little bit of funding that you\u2019ve provided. I look forward to seeing what this Government\u2019s going to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d03052457692498587fbea08acdefd5a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d03052457692498587fbea08acdefd5a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This is a split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u0022daa823a51b69410e87095f3e54b06ebe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022daa823a51b69410e87095f3e54b06ebe\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. Budgets are about choices. This Government has decided once again that trickle-down economics are going to solve the challenges in this country. What they always forget is that the number one issue in the last election and even to this day\u2014and their own polling will tell them this\u2014is the cost of living crisis, the cost of living challenge in our communities up and down this country, not just the poorest communities but the working class communities and communities right across the country. What this Government believes is that their decision in this Budget means that eventually some kind of benefit will trickle down to those who need it the most\u2014those who need it the most.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard time and time again from this Government about how eventually it\u2019ll get there, and things will start to look better, and these are the foundational building blocks to a brighter future. What it looks like to me is an attempt by this Government to once again brush aside what really matters to Kiwis, push aside the hard challenges that are facing this country, and once again make decisions in the interests of the few. We\u2019ve seen that in this Budget. We\u2019ve seen that in the rhetoric from this Government from the time they took office. It shouldn\u2019t surprise us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EIn the last Budget, we know that the choice was for the tobacco industry and for landlords. At this particular Budget, what we know is that the decisions by this Government have been against the healthcare sector, have been against women and our lowest-paid workers in this country, and against our young people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ENow, if you\u2019re looking towards building blocks for the future, one would automatically think we should invest in our younger people\u2014make sure that they have opportunities to train, make sure they have opportunities for employment. What we haven\u2019t seen in this Budget is something that incentivises our young people to want to work, study, train, and stay here in New Zealand. It\u2019s been clear to everybody across the House that the best ticket is the ticket to Australia. Nothing from this Government has said to our young people, \u201COh no, we want you to be here and be a part of rebuilding our future for this country.\u201D Absolutely nothing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWe know that when you turn 18 you can have a drink at the pub. When you turn 18 you can sign up for the army, the navy, or the air force. Now all of a sudden, our 18-year-olds and 19-year-olds once again have the spotlight put on them without any incentive to make sure that they are successful in life, because a successful young person is a successful future for this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWhat we also know is throughout the past year and a half this Government has talked big on health. My colleagues on this side of the House have made it very clear that simply because you set a target in the emergency department (ED) doesn\u2019t mean you\u2019re actually fixing the problem. What we\u2019ve heard from this Minister of Health and in this Budget is, \u201COh, we\u2019ve got these teams that will go in and support different hospitals to bring down ED\u201D\u2014that still doesn\u2019t deal with the issue. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWhat we know in places like Nelson\u2014and my colleague will speak to that\u2014and other places that have an expectation of healthcare and delivery in their communities is that it is not being met, and nothing in this Budget has said to them that that promise will be delivered upon. We need to look across places like the Dunedin Hospital. We need to look at places like the Whang\u0101rei Hospital. Just the other day I was in the Starship Hospital in the Auckland central region, and I can tell you even that place needs a lot of love. What did they get from this Government? Absolutely nothing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWhat we do know from this Government is that wait times to see GPs are still on the increase. It\u2019s hard to get to see a GP. Out in West Auckland we heard from a GP, a nurse, and a patient all in the same debate saying that the services that they get and receive in Wait\u0101kere are simply not good enough. We have patients with extreme needs who are sitting in the hallway waiting to be seen by a nurse who is overrun, overworked, overstretched, and underpaid. That\u2019s what we heard. It\u2019s clear from this Government that the Budget isn\u2019t going to deliver for those people right around the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EJust finally, in the final 50 seconds that I have, sadly, we didn\u2019t get the opportunity today to speak about the 30-year commemoration of the signing of the deed of settlement between Waikato-Tainui and the Crown, a milestone moment that this House no doubt is proud of. What I want to say though, to this House\u2014and to members in particular in the Government benches\u2014is it is also a blueprint for how you build for the future. The success that they\u2019ve been able to garner over 30 years with a long strategic vision to deliver for this country\u2014and when I say this country I mean this country. Some members in this House believe, \u201COh, it\u2019s only benefiting the M\u0101ori.\u201D It\u2019s not. One need only look in Hamilton at the co-investment opportunities that come from settlements like the one Waikato-Tainui did with the Crown. We should be celebrating that, and we should be looking at that as the blueprint for the future of this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022 data-id=\u00226dd339710e6543338225f592fe801a2d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226dd339710e6543338225f592fe801a2d\u0022\u003ERACHEL BOYACK (Labour\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E Budgets are a choice. You can choose to build for the future or to cut. Make no mistake: in Budget 2025, National and the Government are cutting back plans for the rebuild of Nelson Hospital. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003ELabour had a fantastic plan to rebuild Nelson Hospital. Our plan was for one large acute services building that would house all of the critical services inside that building. The building would have allowed for 255 beds, an increase of 92 beds; there would have been eight theatres\u2014two new theatres from the six we currently have\u2014and a larger emergency department. The entire building would have been designed to withstand the alpine fault rupturing at an eight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003ENow, the first sign of trouble about the plan under this Government came before the election, when the then Leader of the Opposition, Christopher Luxon, said, when he was asked about Nelson Hospital, \u201CWe\u2019ll look at it.\u201D\u2014we\u2019ll look at it. Now, I raised the alarm in the media and I was accused of misinformation, but I was very clear that National\u2019s approach to health and their tax cuts would put Nelson Hospital\u2019s rebuild at risk. Unfortunately\u2014and I say \u201Cunfortunately\u201D\u2014I have been proved right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003ELast year, National instead announced a series of smaller buildings\u2014two of them; two smaller buildings. At that time, I said, \u201CI bet we\u2019re only going to get one.\u201D Well, guess what! I\u2019ve been proved right again. In National\u2019s health infrastructure plan released earlier this year, there was only one building\u2014a smaller building. So gone is the large acute services building that will serve Nelson\u2019s growing and ageing population based on the modelled number of beds needed, and now we\u2019re only getting one small building. That was confirmed recently in the Budget: one building for $500\u00A0million. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003ETwo hundred and seven points of care, including\u2014I think the Minister forgot that he\u2019s no longer the transport Minister\u2014a transit lounge, whatever that means. So instead of Labour\u2019s 255 beds, we get 207 points of care, including a transit lounge.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003ESo we\u2019ve got half the number of new beds, no new theatres, and no commitment that the buildings that will be refurbished will be able to withstand the alpine fault going at eight. I\u2019ve asked the Minister about that in written questions and have not had a response, and that is not good enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003ENelson, under this Government, is getting half the investment that they would have had under Labour, and half a hospital. We had a plan and we started that plan. We put the first amount of money into it, and the enabling works began under Labour. We had a plan to fix Nelson Hospital\u2019s infrastructure, but National has kicked that can down the road.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003EHere is my prediction: it will be delayed. They\u2019ll build this $500\u00A0million hospital, it\u2019ll probably end up costing a lot more and it will be delayed, and we will be back in 10 years\u2019 time to have another conversation, because guess what! The number of beds in that building does not meet the need of our growing and ageing population. Nelson is one of the fastest-growing areas in the country because people choose to retire there. Guess what they need! They need healthcare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003ESo I am livid because the people of Nelson were promised a hospital by the National Party prior to the election. Instead, we\u2019ve had a delay. It is two years now since that election. They could have got on with that plan. We left it there for them. Here it is. It\u2019s on a plate for you. Here is a plan to build a hospital for the people of Nelson. You delayed. You cancelled. You downgraded it. It is not acceptable for the people of Nelson to have to accept half a hospital, half the number of beds, and no new theatres\u2014Dr Katie Ben said, last week, that we need more theatres; one of them is actually going to be out of action because the floor\u2019s all over the place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003ESo this is a Government that doesn\u2019t deliver for health. It never built hospitals the last time it was in Government. We\u2019re not going to be seeing the hospitals that this country needs now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022 data-id=\u00221c335b7ebf944f59ab0807fd376d0bcc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c335b7ebf944f59ab0807fd376d0bcc\u0022\u003ENANCY LU (National):\u003C/span\u003E I rise to call in strong support for Budget 2025, a responsible, future-focused plan that delivers for families, businesses, and communities all across New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003EThe member before me, Rachel Boyack, spoke about Budgets being about a choice. Well, unfortunately, the last Government didn\u2019t really leave much of a choice for all New Zealanders, because when this Government took office we inherited an economy in recession, with inflation at high records, interest rates soaring, and a very unsustainable structural deficit. That deficit wasn\u2019t just a short-term issue, it reflected a longstanding imbalance in public finances\u2014very irresponsible by the last Government\u2014that has burdened the current and the future generations, if left unchecked and unhelped.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003ELet me put that into real terms for all New Zealanders, those carrying home loans, business loans, and personal loans: in 2023\u2014and I\u2019ve done some checking\u2014under the last Government, small and medium sized businesses were crushed by borrowing costs; average business overdraft rates reached an average 12.07\u00A0percent, with some as high as over 20\u00A0percent. Now, fast-forward to mid-2025; just 18 months under a National-led Government and borrowing conditions have remarkably improved. As of February this year, the average business credit rates have fallen to 6.63\u00A0percent, and a further reduction of floating business rates to 4.8\u00A0percent in May this year. In March 2023, under that Labour Government, inflation peaked at 6.7\u00A0percent, driven by rising costs in housing, food, transport\u2014basic needs that affect all of us. By the first quarter of 2025, inflation had fallen back to 2.5\u00A0percent\u2014safely within the Reserve Bank\u2019s 1 to 3\u00A0percent target range. The moderation has also allowed a series of official cash rate reductions, from 5.5\u00A0percent in August 2024 to 3.25\u00A0percent as of now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003ENow, these aren\u2019t just numbers; they mean something for all New Zealanders. There are also decisions to reflect the current conditions in New Zealand, and it will help to stimulate the economy and ease financial pressure. So we\u2019re now seeing the results. For homeowners, the relief is very, very tangible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c951478397248e488a4f347023e646a\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: What about renters? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022447758ec07704ace9be68e9aca103081\u0022\u003ENANCY LU\u003C/span\u003E: In 2023\u2014and that also goes to renting\u2014the floating mortgage rate was, in April 2023, 8.61\u00A0percent, and fixed rates averaged over 7.3\u00A0percent. Now, today, the one- to three-year fixed mortgage rates are as low as below 5\u00A0percent; that\u2019s from as high as 8.6\u00A0percent to under 5\u00A0percent. So, for any family with a $500,000 mortgage, that is over $300 saved\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd68328cf5f44eb0babf58a6c502a6a3\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Are they homeowners or are they landlords?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206d4a7b5fb8046b8abcba85ac4ee49b4\u0022\u003ENANCY LU\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014every fortnight. That goes to the landlords, the renters, and everyone in New Zealand. That is real relief, driven by responsible and disciplined fiscal management. So this Budget in front of us now gets New Zealand back on track. It is disciplined, it is growth oriented, and it sets out a clear path to return the Government books back to surplus by 2028-29. It restores balance and rebuilds resilience, and this is the Budget to grow the pie for all New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003EOne of my most exciting points in the Budget is about Investment Boost, and some of the members on this side of the House have stood up and strongly supported the Investment Boost. I have to put it on record here: when we talked about Investment Boost and when we debated this last week in urgency, the week before in this House, a lot of the Opposition members actually voted down Investment Boost. They didn\u2019t want businesses to invest; they want businesses to hold back, stop investing, or delay investing, so they don\u2019t hire people, so we don\u2019t grow the pie. But this Investment Boost\u2014now, let\u2019s put it on record\u2014is actually a game-changer for manufacturers, builders, rural producers, and small businesses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003EThese are some of the quotes that I\u2019ve found. Dunedin manufacturers call this tax reduction a great step forward. BusinessNZ says it will drive capital upgrades. The Employers and Manufacturers Association says it will boost productivity and eventually put more back into workers\u2019 back pockets. This is what we mean. It is the investment that will go into businesses, that will go into fixed assets, that will continue to grow business, grow the pie, grow the return, and eventually grow higher employment for New Zealand, grow higher GDP for New Zealand, grow higher tax revenue for the Government so that we can invest into the front line and the Public Service. It will go back into higher wages for all of our workers\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e47eabe394e34ad986675f315e611dae\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: More jobs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224bd8e149e1f7447793d0af0f4b7a6991\u0022\u003ENANCY LU\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and more jobs. That\u2019s right, exactly, from a great, great MP in Christchurch, Vanessa Weenink. That is very important for her and for one of the fastest-growing cities in New Zealand, in Christchurch.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003EI also need to talk about KiwiSaver. This really, really sings to my heart. From 2026, the default contribution rates will rise to 3.5\u00A0percent, and eventually to 4\u00A0percent by 2028, and with the update on the Government\u2019s contribution, that is to be more targeted for people who really, really need that extra little bit of help from the Government to incentivise them to save for their future. Now, the Retirement Commission have come out and said, \u201CLook, these changes could make savings that will last 30\u00A0percent longer.\u201D Also on public record is that 80\u00A0percent of contributors will actually benefit from this eventual move and change by the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve also seen impact statements where an average New Zealander who retires at 65 years of age under the new scheme will have an additional $102,817 in their KiwiSaver savings. That\u2019s a six-digit New Zealand dollar savings in their KiwiSaver. Now, who wouldn\u2019t like an additional $100,000 in their KiwiSaver? Well, we on this side of the House want it. I\u2019m sure every one of us on this side of the House wants it, but let\u2019s put it on record: it\u2019s the members opposite in this House that have said no; no to the change and no to New Zealanders who want additional savings for KiwiSaver, both from themselves but also from their employers. But that\u2019s OK, there are far more\u2014and let\u2019s see if the Opposition will be happy with at least maybe one thing in the Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003EIn education, Budget 2025 delivers the largest ever investment in learning support in a generation, including $266\u00A0million to expand early intervention services, including 560 new specialists, including 900,000 more teacher-aide hours, including $39.9\u00A0million on hands-on science kits for years zero to 8 students, including $161\u00A0million for new school infrastructure in Canterbury. There we go. There is so much in the education budget but, guess what, the Opposition have said no. In health, Budget 2025 delivers $285\u00A0million in performance-based funding for primary care; over $1.3\u00A0billion to improve GP access, digital health services, and after-hours care; and $1\u00A0billion investment in hospitals\u2019 infrastructures, including Nelson, Auckland, and Wellington; allows 12-month prescriptions, where clinically appropriate; and expands urgent daytime care. And guess what! The Opposition have said no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003EThere is more\u2014there is more. We\u2019re also giving additional budget for our rural communities, including a new $206\u00A0million for the Primary Sector Growth Fund; including continued support for catchment groups and rural wellbeing; extending Investment Boost to every single corner, including all of our farmers, including for their machinery and equipment. With all of this, Budget 2025 is forecasting a real GDP growth of 2.9\u00A0percent in the 2025-26 year, an additional 240,000 people in jobs over the next four years, and wage growth that is consistently outpacing inflation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d4dae97-e385-42a3-9791-5440c8cc9b3c\u0022\u003ESo, beyond all these numbers, the National-led Government, the Government side, have said, \u201CYes, we want that growth Budget. Yes, we want to grow the pie. Yes, we want everybody in New Zealand to be better off under our guardianship of taxpayers\u2019 money.\u201D But it\u2019s the Opposition who have all said, \u201CNo, we don\u2019t want additional investment growth. No, we don\u2019t want additional superannuation savings. And, no, we don\u2019t want better healthcare, better education\u2014and no; I\u2019m saying no.\u201D But yet the Opposition have no plan. They have no plan, just to say, \u201CWe can do it better.\u201D They don\u2019t have any plans. So, with that, I commend this Budget to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022 data-id=\u002255bfd5b966264e38b98b8fc300be42e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002255bfd5b966264e38b98b8fc300be42e7\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Budget 2025 is a turning point. It\u2019s a Budget that restores discipline, rewards hard work, and invests in the services that Kiwis need. It\u2019s also a Budget where ACT has delivered real results\u2014not just promises but savings, reforms, deregulation, and reinvestment of taxpayers\u2019 hard-earned money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EWhy is this important? Well, this country is on track to have a national debt of over $200\u00A0billion by the end of the decade if we don\u2019t make some savings and turn things around. This year, we\u2019re forecasting to spend over $50\u00A0billion on welfare for New Zealanders. That is important, but we can\u2019t afford to look after our most needy and our retired people unless we can find savings elsewhere. With a debt forecast to hit $200\u00A0billion, that means interest costs on that debt of somewhere around $11\u00A0billion in total. That\u2019s more than we spend on defence and police and corrections combined\u2014more than we spend on primary, secondary, and tertiary education combined. It\u2019s completely unacceptable. We cannot tolerate it. That\u2019s why ACT, as part of this coalition Government, is laser-focused on making the savings we need to so we can afford the things that are important for all New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EACT has done what we said we\u2019d do. We\u2019d said we\u2019d cut waste. We said we\u2019d rein in the bloated public sector. We\u2019ve led the charge. ACT\u2019s David Seymour has found $115\u00A0million in permanent public sector savings. Those are savings locked in every year. In total, this Government has found savings of $5.3\u00A0billion. I\u2019m looking at the Opposition now. They\u2019re just staring at me with blank looks on their faces. They can\u2019t imagine finding $5.3\u00A0billion worth of savings, but that\u2019s what this Government has done\u2014that\u2019s what this Government has done\u2014with ACT as part of the coalition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ENow, we didn\u2019t stop there. ACT\u2019s Brooke van Velden has driven structural reforms\u2014crucial changes to pay equity rules, ensuring fairness but without writing blank cheques that could never be cashed. Hear that, Labour? David Seymour has championed the Regulatory Standards Bill to stop unnecessary and costly regulations before they cost the taxpayer money. Imagine that? Identifying laws that probably won\u2019t work, might not deliver the benefits, are just going to cost money, and stopping them before they happen. That\u2019s what ACT has delivered. It would be fair to say that ACT would do even more than we have achieved in this Budget\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215e020afd1d14103b1c94b3df9610381\u0022\u003EDan Bidois\u003C/span\u003E: Tell us about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e0e0be1071c4c13b66dc1e8e1f7d58c\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014but that this Government is doing much more than a Government without ACT. Isn\u2019t it, Dan Bidois? Thank you. Thank you for your encouragement. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003ECutting the size of Government is not ideological\u2014it is practical, it\u2019s necessary, it\u2019s vital. Every dollar we save from wasteful spending is a dollar we can either return to the taxpayer or reinvest in infrastructure and services that are vital, not just nice-to-haves. That is what responsible Government looks like. I know the Opposition members\u2014they\u2019re looking down at their phones\u2014they really don\u2019t want to hear it. It\u2019s terrifying to them. It\u2019s terrifying.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s the alternative? Well, why don\u2019t we have a look at the Green Budget that the Green Party\u2014Te P\u0101ti K\u0101k\u0101riki\u2014put up. Now, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan is clapping. He\u2019s clapping like a performing seal, because that\u2019s what the party of circuses was offering. The \u201CMinistry of Green Works\u201D: $8\u00A0billion for 40,000 cool-sounding green jobs that would produce nothing\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d29913f49b23440595dc3bf0c14de034\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you for reading it!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac0315b177db43e38f6d3ad439e1d2a7\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014but the smell of unicorn farts, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan. The Green Party was proposing to buy back private shareholders\u2019 shares in the electricity companies. Why would you spend billions of dollars buying shares off people or buying shares from New Zealand\u2019s superannuation funds, for example, or some teenager\u2019s Sharesies account, just so you can return the electricity companies to some bloated Government department? This is the madness of the Green Party budget. And all of this was to be funded by a new wealth tax; higher corporate tax; a private jet tax; and, incredibly, a tax on increased mining royalties. At least the owners of private jets and mines could feel safe under a potential Green - Labour - Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori Government, because it turns out the Greens are relying on private jet owners and mining companies to prop up their fanciful ideas. Well, it\u2019s so wild it would be funny if that party being in Government wasn\u2019t such a terrifying risk to current and future New Zealanders\u2019 wealth and prosperity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EWhat is the alternative? Well, we heard that Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014I mean, it would be fair to say that if they\u2019d been here for the Budget, we might have heard more; but let\u2019s just cast back\u2014would propose a separate budget for M\u0101ori. Now, who knows how you would find out who gets some of this budget? Would you have to subject yourself to a DNA test, Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke? I mean, how would we find out? Would David Seymour, the leader of the ACT Party, qualify for some of this M\u0101ori budget that Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori wanted? I mean, can I cast back in my whakapapa and potentially find a tenuous link to some of this p\u016Btea that Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori wanted to reserve? Well, more shocking and disturbing than a race-based party is the silence of Labour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a82f3c93f5f248a2b9aa207de569f8c3\u0022\u003EHelen White\u003C/span\u003E: Fearmongering about us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022962fa2da820f4a488756bef380516716\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT\u003C/span\u003E: Now, that member, Helen White, has a lot to say for herself now, but what we haven\u2019t heard from Helen White, or anyone in Labour, is what an alternative budget might look like, how to sustain the things New Zealand needs, where to find savings. Because, guess what, being in power for six years like the previous Labour-led Government, they couldn\u2019t find any savings. Each year, they just added to and added to and added to spending. They increased core Crown spending by over 40\u00A0percent, doubled the debt from $100\u00A0billion to $200\u00A0billion, which my children and probably grandchildren will still be paying back unless we make the necessary savings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s important about this Budget is not just the savings but being able to use that money saved to reinvest where it matters. We\u2019ve been able to invest $5.5\u00A0billion more into the health system as a result of this Budget\u2014as a result of savings in this Budget. We\u2019re investing over $700\u00A0million more in education. Because, if there\u2019s one thing that will secure our future, even in the face of some of the poor arguments and poor logic that we hear here in the House, it\u2019s educating our young people so they can argue back against some of the foolish concepts we hear from Labour and the Greens and these race-based parties in Parliament. We\u2019re building infrastructure\u2014infrastructure like roads, bridges, and so on\u2014that will serve New Zealanders for generations. That\u2019s what ACT believes in: saving smart and spending wisely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EThinking about business, because one of the things that we need to invest in is making sure that people want to invest in New Zealand\u2014restoring our reputation. A reputation destroyed, caned, burned after six years of the previous Labour Government. Investment Boost for business will allow 20\u00A0percent depreciation on capital investments in the first year of that new investment. That means improving cash flows for those businesses who might be manufacturers wanting to invest in new equipment; who might be contractors wanting to invest in new diggers and rollers; of course, farmers who might want to invest in new tractors or other shiny new farm toys, which they\u2019ll be able to test out at Fieldays next week in the Waikato. What it\u2019s about is improving cash flows in that first year so that those employers can employ more people to operate that gear, to improve their productivity, to return greater profits for their business, which actually means\u2014to those on the other side of the House\u2014paying more taxes generated from productivity, not just by cutting up the pie into smaller and smaller bits.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EACT is proud to be the conscience of this Government when it comes to saving\u2014the party that demanded value and got it out of Budget 2025. We\u2019ve proven it\u2019s possible to reduce the size of Government and still deliver more to everyday Kiwis. What New Zealanders up and down the country are telling us at our public meetings and when we go out on to farms, when we go to construction businesses and manufacturers: \u201CKeep doing it, ACT. Keep playing that important, that vital role in Government. We need you.\u201D And what I\u2019ll say back to them is we\u2019re just getting started. I commend this Budget to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022046967eb72ff4947b8dc93b174b3a332\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022046967eb72ff4947b8dc93b174b3a332\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Just before I call the next speaker, Mr Court, I noticed you\u2019ve changed speaking position in the House, as has your party. For a Speaker with an ailing eyesight, I can see a lot more now that you\u2019re sitting there, including the fact you\u2019re wearing your badge.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022 data-id=\u0022afb89e5d57cc485f96f11f173ab1eb23\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022afb89e5d57cc485f96f11f173ab1eb23\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s been great to listen to some of the debates here today about the Budget. I\u2019ve particularly enjoyed hearing from Labour\u2019s finance spokesperson, Barbara Edmonds, and I\u2019ve enjoyed hearing from her because in the last couple of weeks, I\u2019ve heard a lot of public statements around the Budget: she likes our Investment Boost, she supports it, she likes the KiwiSaver changes. But it is good to hear from her today about her position on the Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EI wish to just address a question that she asked members on this side of the House. She said, \u201CWhy are we here?\u201D I\u2019m here to raise the productive capacity of our people here in New Zealand because it is through our productive capacity that we can raise wages and raise our standard of living. Actually, I think there\u2019s a shared intention across this House around living standards, but there is a difference in the means by which we get there. We believe, on this side of the House, that it\u2019s people that generate economic growth, not Government. We believe that a large and vibrant private sector is what we need in this Government, coupled with a very small and limited role for Government. On this side of the House, we back individuals to get on with it and to make a better life for themselves over the need for the State. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThis brings me to today\u2019s discussion about the Budget. Now, I must say, for members in this House, that Budgets really change lives. What they do is set the direction and tone for lasting change in the future. I wish to home in on a wonderful community in Auckland called Northcote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c884a2bdc22f4247b1d971c0f4966ad9\u0022\u003EShanan Halbert\u003C/span\u003E: Tell us what you\u2019ve done. Tell us your outcomes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0ac03139eaf45618308ea5de5011981\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m so glad we\u2019ve got the former member of Northcote in the House, who\u2019s a great asset to the National Party. We want him to stand again because he is a huge asset for us in Northcote. But what I want to say is that Northcote is a wonderful place to live, work, and raise a family. I\u2019ve got a child, and it is wonderful to know that he is being raised in a wonderful neighbourhood. But we want to make it even better, and that is what this Budget\u2019s all about. It\u2019s about going for growth so that the North Shore and the Northcote electorate is in a better position in the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EI wish to focus on four areas of the Budget. The first is what my good colleague here Cameron Brewer loves to talk about: Investment Boost. Investment Boost has had great resounding support in our communities. I will talk about a great, large business in Northcote. I\u2019ve heard from them, and I can\u2019t say the business\u2019s name because it\u2019s confidential, but they have told me, \u201CActually, we\u2019re looking at plans to roll out solar,\u201D and bring their investment plans forward to invest in solar because of Investment Boost. That is great. It\u2019s a win for the economy and it\u2019s a win for the environment. OK, so that is Investment Boost and that\u2019s going to make a difference to how many businesses in Northcote? Ten thousand small to medium sized businesses in Northcote, up and down my community, who are going to be able to apply for Investment Boost across this country. That\u2019s 600,000 businesses across New Zealand. That\u2019s not insignificant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003ENow let\u2019s go to KiwiSaver. Now, I\u2019m on record as saying that there is nothing more we can do to position our future for this country better than savings. That is what this policy is about: it is about raising the national savings rates because savings equals investment. And guess what! You can\u2019t grow the economy without investment. So that is what this policy is about: it\u2019s about raising our superannuation, or dare I say \u201CKiwiSaver\u201D, contributions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221298def65ba147fc9e49f38f1c9d225f\u0022\u003EShanan Halbert\u003C/span\u003E: There was more investment in Northcote under Labour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224195b7f3affd4056934c8fb8fae512ac\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS\u003C/span\u003E: And guess how much, Shanan? Guess how many workers in your electorate\u2014that I represent, thankfully? Thirty-eight thousand\u201438,000\u2014Shanan, our best asset for the National Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EOK, so let us talk about learning support. We\u2019ve heard a lot from Minister Erica Stanford about learning support, the best and most significant change in learning support in a generation. I want to talk about how many schools in the Northcote electorate are going to get a dedicated learning resource. Let\u2019s go through them: Beach Haven Primary, Birkdale Intermediate School, Glenfield Intermediate School, Birkdale North, Birkdale Primary, Chelsea Primary is getting a dedicated learning support coordinator, Glenfield Primary, Kauri Park Primary, Marlborough Primary, St Mary\u2019s School in Onewa Rd, Sunnybrae School, Verrans Primary, and Windy Ridge. They are all getting\u2014guess what!\u2014a dedicated learning support coordinator. So that is fantastic news because, Mr Speaker, I know in your electorate, like mine, you get the same feedback, that every principal has been screaming out for more support for those with difficult learning needs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThe last area is around early learning, early learning centres, and the operational funding increase that will enable them to do what they do really well for kids right across the Northcote electorate. I\u2019m very lucky to have my son, who\u2019s now at daycare, and to see the tremendous contribution that people in the early learning sector make to make sure that the future of New Zealand is looking bright, and it\u2019s going to look even brighter thanks to the increase in operational funding that is going our way from the Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003ESo that is all part of our plan to grow the economy so that we\u2019ve got a better future right here in New Zealand and don\u2019t have to leave for better, brighter futures overseas. And through growth, this is our solution to the toughest economic challenge that we\u2019ve faced in a generation. As Simon Court from ACT said, our debt is going to balloon to $200\u00A0billion by 2029. We\u2019re dealing with huge public budget deficits because the previous Government doubled our debt. We are back in a positive growth trajectory after several years of negative growth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EAs the finance Minister, Nicola Willis, has said, we\u2019ve got massive structural deficits. If you believe The New Zealand Initiative and the OECD and the IMF, you\u2019ll see that that\u2019s one of the largest structural deficits in the developed world. So that is the challenge that we\u2019re facing: cleaning up their mess so that we\u2019ve got a better future right here at home. And we do face tough economic challenges in the future with an ageing population. By 2040, two out of every five people will be over the age of 60. That is going to put enormous pressure on our healthcare system, and that is why we have to review and look very deeply at the way we fund our services and make sure that we\u2019re getting the best value from those.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s why it\u2019s all about going for growth. Now, you might ask me, what\u2019s the alternative to going for growth? Well, we\u2019ve heard the alternative from the main Opposition party, the Green Party, and that\u2019s an $88\u00A0billion plan to tax, borrow, spend, and hope our way to a brighter future. In fact, it is telling that the Labour Party don\u2019t know what to do on this matter. They support it; they don\u2019t. But that is the reality: if Labour get into power at the next election, we\u2019re going to be dealing with an $88\u00A0billion tax plan that they\u2019re going to be handed from the Green Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThe Opposition has said Budgets are about choices\u2014but this is all about a choice. Do we want growth or do we want debt and to tax and spend our way to a brighter future? On this side of the House, we are very clear: it is through growth that we can get ahead and create a prosperous society so that the over a million New Zealanders who live overseas see this country as a better place to bring their family up, and so that my son, in the future, doesn\u2019t have to leave like they have and like I have done, and actually can stay in New Zealand and have the great opportunities to get ahead right here in New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003EThis has been a fantastic debate. I\u2019ve loved every moment of hearing the speakers in this House, right up and down, from Labour\u2019s finance spokesperson, who loves our Budget, and to our side of the House. I just want to say, from the bottom of my heart, thank you to the coalition Government for putting in place the building blocks for future success for our country and for our electorate of Northcote. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u00226ead48f279414075b84e3a47abe89ac5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ead48f279414075b84e3a47abe89ac5\u0022\u003EHon PRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. They say that a Budget is a moral document, and it is, because it reflects the choices that a Government makes and it reflects the values that underpin decisions made in a Budget. This Budget\u2014Budget 2025\u2014was funded by the choice that this Government made to cancel 33 active pay equity claims. One of those was care and support workers\u2014about 66,000 of them, mostly women who work across mental health institutions, disability organisations, addiction organisations; critical work to keep society going, but women largely who are underpaid and undervalued, and this Government has taken money away from their paycheques to balance their books.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EWhat is in it? What were disability communities, for example, wanting to see in the Budget? A plan. A strategy. Some sort of cohesive action that would undo the trauma that this Government has unleashed on disability communities since they took office. They have narrowed what disabled people can use their funding for. They have taken away respite options for carers. They have stopped people who need residential care facilities from being able to access them. They have gutted Whaikaha, a ministry that disabled people fought for. And now NASCs\u2014needs assessment service centres\u2014that assess the needs of disabled people have waiting lists. For the first time ever, hundreds of disabled people who need to access Disability Support Services cannot, because of the funding that this Government has reduced. This is a Budget that barely keeps the lights on for disability communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThey crow about learning support. I will accept that the sector has asked for more funding into learning support, but this is not it. The feedback from parents and principals that I\u2019ve heard is that this is not transformative; it is just putting more money into a broken system, which is why we did the Highest Needs Review. They could have just implemented that. But no, it\u2019s window dressing because it sounds good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EWhat about conservation? This is the \u201CNo BS Budget\u201D\u2014it\u2019s the \u201CNo Biodiversity Support Budget\u201D, for sure, because there was nothing in this to protect biodiversity while we have the highest rate of species extinction in the world. Nothing to protect biodiversity decline, but a cut to Jobs for Nature, Nature Heritage funding cut, and the disestablishment of Predator Free 2050 Ltd in the middle of a consultation that this Government is running about Predator Free\u2014no heads-up, no warning; they were only told on Budget day with everyone else. How disrespectful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EYet what is this Government doing? They\u2019re just making it easier to kill protected species. They\u2019re making it easier to protect pests. What are we seeing in train from this Government? A sanctuary for stoats. What\u2019s going to be next, wetlands for weasels? Like, all they\u2019re going to do is ensure that pests are protected and that biodiversity continues to decline.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EWhere is the Hauraki Gulf / T\u012Bkapa Moana Marine Protection Bill? This week, it is one year since the Environment Committee recommended unanimously that that bill pass to reverse the decline of the Hauraki Gulf. Where is it? We haven\u2019t seen it. We\u2019ve heard that there\u2019s going to be some eleventh-hour amendments to protect fishers and to continue the decline of the Hauraki Gulf\u2014massive issue for Auckland, for example, languishing on the Order Paper. That was a bill\u2014after 10 years of consultation\u2014that Labour in Government introduced to the House, and this Government is just twiddling their thumbs, refusing to do anything about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThe International Visitor Levy went up. This Government is going to make $190\u00A0million from that, and a measly $20\u00A0million is going back into conservation after all the cuts. Yet they\u2019ve found $2.9\u00A0billion for landlords, $200\u00A0million for offshore oil and gas companies, $216\u00A0million for a tobacco company. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThis is a \u201Cgrowth Budget\u201D according to this Government; all we\u2019ve seen is growth in the cost of living issues, growth in environmental degradation, growth in the number of disabled New Zealanders who cannot access support services, growth in unemployment, and growth in the number of Kiwis leaving this country in droves. This is a Budget that this Government should be ashamed of, because it makes life harder for those who can least afford it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u00228c37971cc6564b19a85013d16ca351f0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c37971cc6564b19a85013d16ca351f0\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I want to talk about this Budget, which is good for possums, good for utes\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258f406c48f8349b289fe8141edf8d593\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: We love possums.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a15fac5138da40dcbc9b5bff5a376253\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014bad for women. That is what this Budget is about. Oh, and Government members tell us that they love possums, and we know that because that is what this Budget demonstrates. But they\u2019re not commenting on my comment that it\u2019s bad for women\u2014crickets on that side of the House. We know it\u2019s bad for women because we\u2019ve spent a lot of time in this House talking about pay equity. Or rather, this side of the House has been doing all the talking, and that side has been crickets. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EWe haven\u2019t had answers to questions from Ministers in committee stage. When the bill was introduced with no notice, we heard David Seymour say that it was saving the Budget. Next minute, we\u2019ve got the Prime Minister saying, \u201CNo, no, no. This urgent legislation passed through all stages in urgency with no select committee process, and the Opposition didn\u2019t see the bill until it was tabled when the Minister started speaking but this pay equity bill has nothing to do with the Budget.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003ESo what happens the next week when the Budget rolls around? Well, anyone listening closely to the House when the Budget dropped at 2\u00A0p.m. on the Thursday will have heard me give an audible gasp when I read a Newsroom story on Twitter\u2014because that got to me faster than the Budget being delivered out\u2014that $12\u00A0billion was looking to be saved from pay equity. Yet the Prime Minister had the gall to say to us just the week before, \u201CNo, no, no. This has nothing to do with pay equity.\u201D It is astounding.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EPossums, the thing that this Government loves: this Budget got rid of what the National Government established when it was last in Government. The John Key Government set up Predator Free 2050 Ltd. Then the Minister of Conservation was just the week or so before setting out objectives for Predator Free 2050, so maybe nobody had told him what was in the Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212334435a8b5452aab845280a040cf9f\u0022\u003EHon Priyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: Chaos.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b289c9f0ee414ed5963bcb68747d45e1\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING\u003C/span\u003E: \u201CChaos\u201D, my friend Priyanca Radhakrishnan says. It certainly sounds like chaos to me, just like the urgent legislation that he put through all stages\u2014urgency for wildlife\u2014where he didn\u2019t seem to understand that his legislation did not apply to new Government roads.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EUtes: let me speak about utes for a minute. Government members are saying that they love utes. I know this because I\u2019ve heard them speak about utes so often in their Budget speeches. They are all there crowing about how wonderful Fieldays is going to be because everyone is going to be out buying new utes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003ENow, productivity is a good word, and we\u2019re interested in productivity. How it is that everybody going and buying a new ute at Fieldays is going to lead to productivity is a very interesting question, one that I have not heard answered from the other side. Here it\u2019s a big Budget item and it\u2019s something that I know many of my constituent manufacturing companies will be very pleased about. They\u2019re interested in productivity and doing more of that manufacturing out of Dunedin, but there are no criteria for this scheme. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThere was a great opportunity\u2014you could have had a climate lens over this policy or even a productivity lens over this. But did we get that? No. Instead, did we get a $200\u00A0million subsidy to oil and gas? Yes, we did. That\u2019s exactly what we did. Oh, international companies, come and look for something that doesn\u2019t exist here, and we\u2019ll give you $200\u00A0million. We\u2019ll go against all of our international agreements that we do not subsidise oil and gas. That is what this Budget does, and it is a disgrace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u00221bc8a2deeb264840bd42a77ca0a0e278\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221bc8a2deeb264840bd42a77ca0a0e278\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Again, before I call the next speaker, just relating back to the change in seating. I know when you\u2019re sitting at the back of the House, you need big boys\u2019 voices to be heard. You don\u2019t need to be quite as loud when you\u2019re sitting here, because, once again, the Speaker can hear you a lot more vociferously and may interfere.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022 data-id=\u0022634537edd6e54e339c92703c45ca9175\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022634537edd6e54e339c92703c45ca9175\u0022\u003EHon CASEY COSTELLO (Minister for Seniors):\u003C/span\u003E We have heard the word: that it is about \u201Cchoice\u201D. I think it\u2019s poignant to call on that narrative\u2014that this is about choice\u2014because I think the reason we have Budget 2025 is because the previous Government left us a mess. Because they didn\u2019t make choices, they said yes to everything\u2014an 80\u00A0percent increase in expenditure and no increase in delivery. What happened is that Budget 2025 is about choice. It\u2019s about hard choice, it\u2019s about difficult choice, it\u2019s about the choices that need to be made to ensure we are not burdening future generations with crippling debt. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EBudget 2025 was for everyday Kiwis; the Budget that recognises those hard-working Kiwi battlers, from whom we take tax dollars. For every single dollar we take from that taxpayer, we are entrusted to make really good choices. Every dollar that we take\u2014ever dollar we are accountable for\u2014we have to be accountable to those taxpayers, we have to be accountable for the outcomes that we need to deliver. And with every decision we make on how that dollar is spent, we have to speak about the investment that that dollar is going to deliver\u2014the investment in the future of our economy, the investment in education, the investment in law and order, the investment in health, the investment in economic growth, and the investment in accessing our natural resources. When we do the right thing and we make the investments wisely, then we have the ability to make those bigger decisions, those bigger choices, because we have more funds to do it, without incurring further debt. It is essential that we take practical actions, which means those tough decisions\u2014those difficult choices\u2014have to be made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EI\u2019m really proud to say that New Zealand First\u2019s practical, pragmatic methodology has shone through in Budget 2025. We have seen the practical initiatives that are so important. We heard frequently in the speeches from the opposite side of the House about how we didn\u2019t put money in, as if putting money in is delivery. Putting money in is a solution. Putting money in does not deliver accountability, it does not deliver measures, and it does not deliver targets. That is what we\u2019ve done in this Budget. That\u2019s what we are focused on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EI want to talk about the pragmatic investment in the valued demographic that New Zealand First has so long championed: our over-65s. This Budget has not only safeguarded the initiatives New Zealand First has championed throughout our political life; it has delivered more. Twenty years ago, we campaigned on the SuperGold card, the free off-peak travel\u2014one of the greatest congestion-reduction initiatives\u2014the 10\u00A0percent electricity rebate, which has become the winter energy payment; and we\u2019ve passed more on the upgrade to the GoldCard, to access concessions through the SuperGold hub. Today, we have over 5,000 offers and thousands of businesses that are offering discounts to that demographic. In this Budget, we have invested a further $154\u00A0million in the rates rebate scheme. This changes the thresholds of eligibility, which means an additional 66,000 SuperGold cardholders will have access to the rates rebate scheme. This is the practical stuff. This is about the choices that mean we are delivering right now into the back pockets of our seniors. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EThis Budget allocation of super reflects New Zealand First\u2019s commitment to retain the superannuation eligibility. The Rt Hon Winston Peters\u2014my leader; champion for seniors\u2014has long ensured that we will protect the age of superannuation so that we can live our lives with dignity as we age in New Zealand. Our over-65s have toiled long and hard to deliver the country we now inherit and enjoy, and we will continue to defend that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EAs we discuss the issues of superannuation affordability, I would like to highlight some of the key statistics. At the moment, superannuation costs New Zealand 5.5\u00A0percent of GDP, and when you compare that to the OECD average of 7.7\u00A0percent, we know that we can continue to support our seniors, who have worked hard all their life and deserve the quality of life that we can deliver.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First also ensured that the superannuation amount was tagged to the mean wage at 66\u00A0percent, increasing it from 60\u00A0percent as it had been previously. We know we can do more in this sector\u2014and we will\u2014but we are taking the difficult choices to make sure we can afford to do the things we are promising to do. We also included in this Budget a $24\u00A0million funding uplift to aged care, to help our older people get the care they need. We want to see older people being able to transition to the treatment and care in the best possible place that is the most suitable. This is a small step to be taken in a big issue, but it is a step in the right direction. We acknowledge the hard work that the aged-care sector does in delivering quality of care, and we will continue to support this demographic. Budget 2025\u2019s commitment of the $24\u00A0million is an important step in the right direction. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EThere are other things that we have done in this Budget that New Zealand First campaigned for, that are important to our very core. Firstly, we have doubled the money supporting the wonderful volunteers who are the M\u0101ori wardens. They are the presence in our small communities. They are the presence that bind difficult situations, support events, and create a volunteer network throughout this country. This doubled funding will ensure that they can do more, they can grow more, and they can support more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EIn addition, we have invested an extra $35\u00A0million into Customs to target transnational, serious organised crime. We know that we have a meth epidemic, and we know we want to do a lot more to fight it. But the reality is we cannot do it all\u2014we do things practically, we do things in solid steps, and we will ensure this investment delivers the strengthening of our borders that we need to ensure that our communities are not victimised further by international cartels that make those that can least afford to pay it pay the highest price.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EThis Budget is exactly as has been outlined: it is about choice. It is about the fact that, sometimes, when the grown-ups are in the room, you have to make some tough choices. You can\u2019t give everything to everybody all the time, because, ultimately, we are accountable to every single taxpayer dollar that we take off New Zealanders, and every decision we make has to be in the best interest of those that give us that money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EAs we grow our economy\u2014and this is the key point of this Budget\u2014as we invest in how we can access our own natural resources, as we invest in economic growth, as we support those hard-working Kiwi battlers that give us those tax dollars, we know that we will be able to do more. But we will not do it by continuing to bind our future generations to a crippling debt that is completely unaccountable to the people that trust us with their money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022feb2e3ca-4ad3-4c7c-9958-b10d28c83bc8\u0022\u003EThis is a good, solid Budget that is practical common sense; hard decisions that will make our economy stronger in the long run and make our country stronger in the long run. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022 data-id=\u00223366849f8b0249f79eaee2e061b87850\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223366849f8b0249f79eaee2e061b87850\u0022\u003ESAM UFFINDELL (National\u2014Tauranga):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Before I kick in, I\u2019d just like to say hello to the members up in the gallery from Five Forks Primary School in North Otago: year 7 students up there with Miles Anderson, their hard-working MP. Welcome to Parliament. And they will be inspired\u2014as I\u2019m sure many people around New Zealand are\u2014with this Budget, because, as the previous speaker the Hon Casey Costello was saying, this is a solid Budget, this is a responsible Budget, and this is a Budget that delivers for New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003ELook, the Budget secures New Zealand\u2019s economic and fiscal recovery. And there were a number of challenges that we have been facing. We have moved to advanced reforms to make sure that New Zealanders can have a better way of life. If we take a moment to reflect, we\u2019re coming off a very high period of inflation, soaring debt, soaring interest rates, and a cost of living crisis throughout New Zealand that hit the poor and the vulnerable hardest and delivered a set of circumstances that were challenging for significant segments of New Zealand society. This Government has been working extremely hard to get that under control and deliver the economic and fiscal conditions to bring down inflation, to enable the Reserve Bank of New Zealand to reduce interest rates, and that\u2019s now being seen through homeowners throughout New Zealand. They have more money in their back pocket, and renters do as well because rents haven\u2019t gone up\u2014unlike the $170 they went up over the previous Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EThis is a Government that understands that the first thing you have to do to run a successful country is to get the books in order to run a sound economic gain, control costs, deliver economic growth, and go from there. We have planted a very solid base, and this Budget heads in that direction. And one of the highlights\u2014and it\u2019s been pretty well touted\u2014is around the Investment Boost, which I\u2019m afraid that not all members of this House voted to support. But it has been a very popular policy. As I was back in my electorate last week, I was going around doorknocking a fair bit and I did hear a number of people come up and tell me specifically what a fantastic\u2014fantastic\u2014policy they thought this was. I\u2019ll read a message I got from someone very quickly: \u201CInfo for you, since the rebate was announced, the phone has not stopped ringing. It\u2019s been mad. For the first time in a very long time, farmers and contractors actually feel like the Government gives a \u2026 and are trying to help.\u201D It is a really, really positive thing and, as the finance Minister said earlier today, it\u2019s giving companies and contractors the incentive they need\u2014the incentive boost they need\u2014to make that capital investment. We are building New Zealand\u2019s capital stock that will result in growing wages, a growing economy, increased productivity. This is a step in the right direction, and it\u2019s been very positively endorsed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003ESome other key pieces: you know, as chair of the Health Committee, naturally I\u2019m inclined to look at what has been happening in health. There were some good announcements in this piece: hospital and specialist services, an increase of $5.5\u00A0billion; primary services and community services, highlighted by the Minister as a very important piece that we need to get right, and it is, frankly, which is why we\u2019ve seen a lot more investment in that. And it\u2019s with that investment there that we can, hopefully, stop people from needing that more acute care that they need further on down the road by getting it right in the primary and community space. Over a billion dollars for additional cancer treatments and other medicines that Pharmac announced over the last 12 months. This is very good policy. And in Tauranga as well, very happy to see the Minister announce just prior to the Budget that there would be the ability for a 24/7 urgent care clinic. I\u2019m definitely hopeful that it\u2019ll be in my electorate. I can see Mr Luxton nodding his head. He wants it there too, I\u2019m sure. He\u2019d probably like it in P\u0101p\u0101moa. But look, I think this is a fantastic thing for our city and our region regardless. It\u2019s a fast-growing region, and we definitely need that care to take pressure off the emergency departments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EEducation\u2019s been talked about a fair bit, and it really has. There were some really good announcements in the education space\u2014fantastic announcements. There was a piece around learning support, and that was a fantastic announcement because the week before this Budget\u2014dreadfully wet week; we don\u2019t usually have them in Tauranga, but we did that week\u2014I went out to Tauriko School and I took a walk through, and the teachers said, \u201CLook, what we need more than anything is learning support.\u201D And we went into a classroom, and it was clear that some students there had challenges, and that meant the whole class had challenges, frankly. What this will do is deliver that student who needs it the support that they need, and enable, then, the teachers and the rest of the students to progress with the lesson plans. It is a fantastic piece of news for schools around New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve got a little list here, if you\u2019ll indulge me, of schools in my electorate who will be getting learning support coordinators through Budget 2025: Bethlehem College, Greenpark School, Greerton Village School, Merivale School, Mount Maunganui Primary School, Mount Maunganui Intermediate, Omanu School, Pyes Pa Road School, Taumata School, Tauranga Adventist School, Tauranga Intermediate, Tauranga Primary School, Tauranga Waldorf School, Tauriko School, and possibly in my electorate next term, Te Puna School. That is a fantastic piece of news for all of those schools, and I\u2019ve already received some notes from them about how happy they are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EBut wait, there\u2019s more\u2014there\u2019s more\u2014just when you thought I was going to move on to another topic. It\u2019s a very serious matter, actually. It\u2019s about mathematics and there is a significant boost\u2014around $100\u00A0million\u2014for mathematics. The stats are clear that the more you progress through school with mathematics and understand it\u2014I believe it\u2019s for every year you progress, you will earn 7\u00A0percent more on average. That makes a real difference to people\u2019s lives, and it means that when they go through primary school, if they understand the concept, they\u2019re more likely to continue with it. Minister Stanford has done a fantastic job in this space, and I was extremely pleased when I saw that announced in Budget 2025, as I\u2019m sure many schools and parents around New Zealand were as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EI also want to touch upon something that Minister Costello said a little bit earlier, and that was around the rates rebates for 66,000 people on a SuperGold card. They will be getting assistance with their rates. We know that people on fixed incomes can do it pretty tough, especially when inflation was running away like it was in the previous term. It\u2019s especially important as well in Tauranga, a city that has the highest city council rates across New Zealand, when I checked yesterday. I know that the good people of Tauranga, a significant proportion of them as well, who are superannuitants on the gold card, will benefit from this scheme. It\u2019s a fantastic scheme; thank you, Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EThe last thing I\u2019ll touch on is around KiwiSaver, and I thought the changes announced there were fantastic. Increasing the contribution rates to 4\u00A0percent default\u2014we know we\u2019ve got a challenge in New Zealand where we don\u2019t have the retirement savings that we need. We are well challenged there, especially when you look over the Ditch and see where Australia is at: they have a huge amount of capital under asset management; we don\u2019t have that. They are enabled, through that, to invest in a whole number of enterprises. But it also means that when people turn 65 or retire, they can sustain themselves in retirement. We have far too many stories in New Zealand where people are unable to because the pension simply doesn\u2019t meet their cost of living\u2014it simply doesn\u2019t. We know we\u2019ve got a demographic shift, a demographic challenge there, and we can\u2019t have all people simply relying on the State, as much as the other side would like that to be the case. We need them to be self-sufficient, so increasing that rate is a step in the right direction; so is increasing it for 16- and 17-year-olds so they can begin that journey.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EThis is a very sensible Budget. It\u2019s a grown-up Budget and it reflects a Government that understands the basic fundamentals of what is needed to run a country. From this point, we will deliver the economic growth that has been outlined, and this is a fantastic fiscal strategy report, which I would have liked to have got to, but it does outline where we\u2019ve been and where we\u2019re heading, and the great opportunities ahead for New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b978dee7-18cf-424c-8004-b165bda971ff\u0022\u003EMinister Bishop said earlier this afternoon around being excited for the next 18 months, and I can tell you I certainly am excited for those, too. This is a fantastic Budget\u2014fantastic Budget\u2014for New Zealanders. I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u00220ad10dd76a8b41ec8958d2ee4264433e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220ad10dd76a8b41ec8958d2ee4264433e\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: A five-minute split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022e7b6c4aabbbf4f1680415cf0f7a0aff0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e7b6c4aabbbf4f1680415cf0f7a0aff0\u0022\u003ESCOTT WILLIS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Oh yes, some of us look forward to winter and getting nice and cosy in front of the fire, but for far too many, winter literally means being left out in the cold and choosing between heating and eating. Why won\u2019t this Government act for ordinary Kiwis, those who are struggling with energy hardship? It\u2019s now winter. Why is the Government gifting $3\u00A0billion in tax cuts for landlords when people are doing it tough?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EWhat really would have helped people\u2014and helped landlords, even\u2014would have been support for warm, dry, energy-efficient homes. But this Government, over the last two Budgets, has cut over $230\u00A0million from the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Authority. Everyone knows that investment in energy efficiency pays huge dividends, well beyond the financial: dividends in increased wellbeing, comfort, lower stress, healthy children, greater productivity. That funding has been cut right back, crippling the Energy Efficiency and Conservation Authority. Why has this Government decided that ordinary Kiwis should be left out in the cold while landlords and big tobacco bank the gains?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EJust this morning, my office received an email asking for action on the increasing hardship of electricity prices for a household in difficulty. Last week at Electrify Queenstown, Rewiring Aotearoa launched its 2025 policy manifesto, demonstrating that the barriers like our outdated regulations and biased pricing structures alongside limited finance are all holding us back from an energy system fit for the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EThe Government just seems to want to keep things the same, but if the Minister actually applied some energy, we could change things. The status quo is not delivering cheaper prices or cleaner power or smarter systems; the status quo is keeping fossil fuels in the system and energy hardship in our homes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EThe burning of fossils for electricity doesn\u2019t just increase climate pollution; it sets the price of electricity, and last winter we experienced significant spikes in wholesale electricity prices. Prices rose from around $300 a megawatt hour to over $800 a megawatt hour as a result of our broken electricity market. The Minister cannot seriously believe that providing a $200\u00A0million subsidy to a high-stakes gamble to open up a new gas field is the answer to electricity prices. Come on; pull your heads out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s not only expensive fossil fuels that are causing the price spike; lines companies are planning substantial investment over the next five years in new lines. Lines company expenditure on growth and renewals is set to increase from $717\u00A0million in 2022 to $1.4\u00A0billion a year in 2031. That increase is going to flow through to lines charges. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EWhere is the innovation and flex here? The country cannot afford this type of expenditure, and the electricity industry has been slow to adapt. It\u2019s time for the Government to act and set the direction. We can have cheaper, cleaner, smarter power. We just need some political will. So what is the Minister doing to get us into the 21st century? I heard that there\u2019s some interest in solar. What I hear from people experiencing energy hardship, as well as from professionals in the energy sector, is that doing nothing is not an option. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EWe heard it\u2019s time for boldness. We heard it\u2019s time for clarity. We heard it\u2019s time for collaboration. What we\u2019ve got at the moment is disjointed, chaotic, incoherent energy policy that does not serve our people, does not provide relief, and does not take an intergenerational perspective. It\u2019s a motley patchwork with no strategy, just slogans when we need leadership. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EIs the Minister going to accept the challenge laid down by Rewiring Aotearoa, where he\u2019s pictured as our nation\u2019s hero, \u201CMinister Megawatts\u201D, to create a cheaper, cleaner, more resilient electric future that benefits New Zealanders? It\u2019s time for the Minister to don his cape and fly into action, not hide.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227a31ee40-34c3-42b0-9459-7a7e9c815d6a\u0022 data-id=\u002290a060b176974d959ea3e44555cfe311\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a31ee40-34c3-42b0-9459-7a7e9c815d6a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290a060b176974d959ea3e44555cfe311\u0022\u003EKAHURANGI CARTER (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Budgets are more than spreadsheets; they are a values statement. They are a window into who this Government does and doesn\u2019t prioritise. In a country where over 156,000 children wake up in cold, damp homes; where families are skipping meals to pay the rent; where care-experienced rangatahi are still being harmed by the very systems meant to protect them\u2014this Budget could have prioritised children. It could have invested in wh\u0101nau, in prevention, in healing. It could have sent a clear message that every child in Aotearoa deserves safety, stability, and aroha. But instead, it does the opposite. Budget 2025-26 makes one thing clear: tamariki are not this Government\u2019s priority. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a31ee40-34c3-42b0-9459-7a7e9c815d6a\u0022\u003EOver the last year, we\u2019ve had report after report exposing how deeply broken our child welfare system is. First, we had the Independent Children\u2019s Monitor report in August 2024, which told us that children are no safer today than when Malachi Subecz was murdered. Then we had the Auditor-General report, which exposed a damning contracting process at Oranga Tamariki, where community providers\u2014the very lifeline for wh\u0101nau\u2014were left in the dark, contracts slashed, and no analysis was done on the impacts for tamariki. Just weeks ago, we had the devastating UNICEF report, which confirmed what we already knew: New Zealand ranks last in the OECD for youth mental wellbeing, 35th out of 41 for child physical health, and our educational inequality gap is widening. This should have been the moment for the Government to finally centre all its decisions in children, a chance to transform our broken child welfare system and make real change. These reports made the need for action undeniable, but instead, this Budget turns its back on children. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a31ee40-34c3-42b0-9459-7a7e9c815d6a\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s talk about Vote Oranga Tamariki, a Budget which could have been a turning point. Instead, the Minister has cut funding to independent advocacy services by 37\u00A0percent from $6.37\u00A0million to $4\u00A0million. This appropriation funds service providers such as VOYCE - Whakarongo Mai, one of the only organisations independently tasked with holding the Minister and Oranga Tamariki to account on behalf of children in care, especially those who have suffered abuse or neglect while in the system. Let that sink in. At a time when the royal commission of inquiry into abuse in care has called for stronger, not weaker, independent oversight to protect these tamariki, the Government is cutting the very services designed to safeguard their voices and wellbeing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a31ee40-34c3-42b0-9459-7a7e9c815d6a\u0022\u003EAnd if that wasn\u2019t enough, Oranga Tamariki is also quietly cutting $182\u00A0million in so-called back-office functions to meet the savings promised in 2024-25. Let\u2019s be clear: these are the very staff responsible for managing contracts with community providers, where the Auditor-General reported damning contracting processes with no regard for tamariki impact. Prevention remains less than one-third of Oranga Tamariki funding, despite every single review calling for early, wh\u0101nau-led support stopping the harm before it happens. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a31ee40-34c3-42b0-9459-7a7e9c815d6a\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s not forget about child poverty. The Child Poverty Report highlighted what we already know: this Government\u2019s policies are keeping more children in poverty. It is likely the Government will not meet any of their 2028 child poverty reduction targets. Balancing the books on the backs of our most vulnerable children is not fiscal responsibility. None of this is inevitable. It is the result of cruel political choices. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a31ee40-34c3-42b0-9459-7a7e9c815d6a\u0022\u003EThe Green Party has a clear, costed plan to end child poverty, including a family top-up of $220 for the first child and $135 for each additional child, changing the abatement rates for the family tax credit under Working for Families, and doubling the Best Start payment. We would commit to real prevention by ensuring that at least 50\u00A0percent of Oranga Tamariki\u2019s investments go to early intervention, wh\u0101nau-led, culturally grounded support, and we would legislate to make child impact assessments mandatory in every major decision the Government makes. Budgets are more than spreadsheets; they are a values statement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022 data-id=\u00226a2764a60bd046eebe8dc3d948807acd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226a2764a60bd046eebe8dc3d948807acd\u0022\u003EDAVID MacLEOD (National\u2014New Plymouth):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I couldn\u2019t help but think, watching the kids up there in the gallery just before: what are they looking at? What are they listening to here in the House? I think it\u2019s really important for people like that, and people that are watching on TV, that we are actually doing something that is a legal requirement of Government on an annual basis. We\u2019ve had the Budget announcement\u2014a little over a couple of weeks ago now, or not quite\u2014and this is a requirement under the Public Finance Act; of us having to move the adoption of this bill, which actually sets in place the appropriations, or the way in which this Government is going to be spending its money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EIf I was going to be talking to my kids at home about, well, what\u2019s this Budget situation\u2014if I took the analogy of just our home budget, and we all have one ourselves, we all look on an annual basis and think: well, what kind of income are we actually going to be generating in that 12-month period? That sets out what we are looking at spending that money on as we go through. Everything has a time and place. Sometimes you\u2019re actually in a good position where the income is actually really good and you\u2019ve got some options in your life to be able to go and buy things that perhaps you might call the nice-to-haves rather than need-to-haves. But then there are other times where things are tight. We talk about the cost of living, and the fact is the country is in a position at the moment where we\u2019ve got to get things back in order with regards to it. So that dictates where our choices and where our priorities lie.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EThe Budget itself we\u2019re looking at, we\u2019ve got the revenue that comes in to the Government\u2014we\u2019ve got all the taxes that are earned, we\u2019ve got the levies, we\u2019ve got the fees, we\u2019ve even got the returns of some of the Government\u2019s investments that we have\u2014and we\u2019ve got a significant amount of money that actually comes in to the Government on an annual basis. But then there\u2019s the money out component of it. We\u2019ve got 28 Ministers in our Government, and they\u2019ve got 78 different portfolios\u2014a lot of portfolios\u2014but there are also a lot of choices. At the end of the day, every Minister gets a quantum of money and it\u2019s up to them to prioritise where that money is spent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003ENow, the debate that we\u2019re having in the House is about those priorities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3ebc09379a241a1badb2d1270d80252\u0022\u003EShanan Halbert\u003C/span\u003E: Brewer will be there soon. Brewer\u2019s next up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022983932a74499449f9ee5b5e320336664\u0022\u003EDAVID MacLEOD\u003C/span\u003E: I hear from the Opposition with regards to the interjections that they choose different methods of spending the money to what we are as a Government. But this coalition Government is in lock step and committed, and the Cabinet is supported in totality of exactly what this Budget is portraying and what it\u2019s conveying to the public. It\u2019s good to know that we are going to be adopting this bill and setting it in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EWhen you look at the economy, we all want a strong economy. What is it that strong economy means? Well, I tell you: when we came into Government over 18 months ago, we did not have a strong economy. The official cash rate (OCR) was out of control, inflation was out of control, everything was out of control. So it\u2019s very pleasing that in 18 months\u201418 short months\u2014we\u2019ve managed to pull some levers, been able to get the OCR back down to about 3.25\u00A0percent. And who knows? We might even have another cut coming shortly\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222859e56bb68a48f28c08aa776e4809f8\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, no. You\u2019re on to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cdf87ff6f46547cab14c3df2f5751462\u0022\u003EDAVID MacLEOD\u003C/span\u003E: Cameron Brewer, you\u2019d really like that, wouldn\u2019t you\u2014and that there, what does that dictate? That dictates the lending. We\u2019ve got home loans that have now got a 4 in front of their\u00A0percentages of what they\u2019re actually paying. That is a great outcome and I\u2019m sure that many New Zealanders are actually enjoying that. The inflation itself: we went from the highs of over 7\u00A0percent\u20147.3\u00A0percent at its highest in recent times\u2014and we\u2019re now back down to 2.5\u00A0percent. Thankfully, that\u2019s within the bandwidth that we actually try to have with regards to our Reserve Bank of 1 to 3\u00A0percent of having that under control. So it\u2019s great to see that we\u2019ve got that under control.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EOne of the areas that we haven\u2019t got under control\u2014and we\u2019re working so hard and that\u2019s what this Budget is all about, and remembering that this Budget is called the \u201CGrowth Budget\u201D\u2014is about employment. So unemployment is actually relatively high\u2014it\u2019s at about 5.1\u00A0percent\u2014but if we actually realise what this Budget\u2019s going to deliver, that will actually help us in driving the unemployment rate in the right direction down itself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EIf I look at some of the Budget at a glance, so to speak, there\u2019s an amount of $6.8\u00A0billion that\u2019s in new capital investment. Now, new capital was going into some great initiatives: the likes of hospitals\u2014everybody\u2019s been talking about hospitals recently and we\u2019ve got announcements with regards to Auckland and Nelson Hospital. But back in my electorate, the New Plymouth Hospital, just the other day, our Minister of Health, Simeon Brown, came along and he announced that there will be the extra $59.2\u00A0million that\u2019s required to complete the build there. Now, it has run over budget, that build there, but of course it was actually building in a very challenging time through the COVID area, through the significant increase in material cost, etc. All of that there has dictated that it\u2019s needed more monies and I\u2019m pleased that this Budget has allowed that and the Minister has announced that commitment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EThe capital investment is also going into education. That\u2019s good news. Education: we\u2019re going to be having new schools, we\u2019re going to be having expansion of existing schools, and also this is paying for the much-needed maintenance on the many schools that are actually struggling in that space.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EAnother area of capital investment is in the New Zealand Defence Force\u2014$2.7\u00A0billion. Now, the Minister of Defence has actually announced that we are aiming for a 2\u00A0percent of GDP goal with regards to our defence spend by the year 2032-33. That\u2019s an ambitious goal in a relatively short time, but it\u2019s an important goal nevertheless. It\u2019s actually a figure\u20142\u00A0percent of GDP\u2014that\u2019s often used globally of what is expected in some ways by some of our counterpart Governments around the world, of us actually playing our part in this space itself. New Zealand has a very proud history with regards to doing deployments overseas and helping not exactly at the warface or out there at the front lines, but actually behind that and helping local forces with education and the likes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EOther things that I\u2019d like to mention that have been announced: we\u2019ve spoken about the rates rebates: an extra 66,000 SuperGold cardholders are now going to be eligible for the rates rebate scheme\u2014well, should I say more of it\u2014and noting that that is moving the actual threshold of an annual income per household of SuperGold cardholders from $31,500 or thereabouts, up to $45,000. That\u2019s a significant increase of the threshold that gives them the ability to gain the full rebate, and the rebate itself per annum has had a small increase up to the $805. So that\u2019s good news for the SuperGold cardholders themselves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve also had the teacher-aides. Now, my colleague Sam Uffindell mentioned about the teacher-aides or the help within classrooms. I think every person in this House, if you go to schools, there is one common conversation that will be said to you by the principal, and that is absolutely the challenges that are presented in education for helping perhaps the more challenged children with education. We want our teachers to be teaching and advancing those other kids there, but we don\u2019t want them distracted in any great way by what you might call some of the more challenged children in those classes. Having more teacher-aides in the classroom is of great assistance, and that\u2019s to the tune of over 2\u00A0million extra hours of teacher-aides\u2014is what the Minister of Education has announced\u2014by the year 2028.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003ENow, we did hear the previous Green speaker, Kahurangi Carter, talk passionately about energy, and I do want to talk about energy. Basically, the comments were: well, where does gas fit in this? Of course, it\u2019s in the negative mind-set from the Green Party and my mind-set is absolutely to the positive. And it may not come as a surprise; I\u2019m from Taranaki, the energy province of New Zealand. But I say that because I remain unconvinced that without gas being our transitional energy, we\u2019re going to be able to keep our energy trilemma in balance. The energy trilemma being making sure we\u2019ve got secure energy, having energy when we need it; having affordable energy, making sure that our exporters\u2014we are an exporting nation\u2014actually have a cost structure with regards to energy that doesn\u2019t make them uncompetitive globally, that\u2019s going to drive the country bankrupt real quick if our exporters can\u2019t deliver that there; and the other, third, leg of the trilemma is, of course, the sustainable energy, having as green an energy as we possibly can.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003EAt the moment, we are reliant\u2014when we have no wind blowing, no sun shining, in the middle of the winter when we\u2019ve got the highest energy requirements of electricity\u2014on burning coal. Natural gas is 40\u00A0percent\u201440\u00A0percent\u2014cleaner than coal. I cannot understand why we have the huge stockpile of coal in Huntly when we can find natural gas. I\u2019ve heard that from the companies that do the exploration: it\u2019s not a fallacy, which is what I hear from some members of the Opposition. Gas is there; we need to find it. I\u2019m very pleased that this Government has actually tagged $200\u00A0million to help regain the confidence by playing a stake in that and potentially having a stake of up to 10 to 15\u00A0percent in exploration wells. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca74cd7a8b234aacbd69ba813f75915e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca74cd7a8b234aacbd69ba813f75915e\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: This is a five-minute split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u00222d3ed598afe946018e1840251b374484\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d3ed598afe946018e1840251b374484\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker. There we have a member of the National Party extolling the virtues of a $200\u00A0million subsidy to the gas industry. Those are the choices they make. They make the choice not only to open up offshore gas and oil exploration but to pay people to do it, to actually hand over cash. Where does that cash come from? Well, it comes from KiwiSaver. It comes from halving the Government contribution to KiwiSaver. And you know what? When that gas company buys a brand new billion-dollar oil rig and puts a $200\u00A0million tax deduction in on that day, where does that money come from? Well, maybe that comes from the Best Start payments that they\u2019ve cut. Maybe that\u2019s where that cut comes from, because those are the choices that this Government is making. They are not supporting families, they are not supporting children, they\u2019re not supporting women. Of course, we know the fallacy that that Government put out that the pay equity reforms weren\u2019t about the Budget, when the only way that the Government could come anywhere close to having a respectable Budget was by taking $12\u00A0billion away from working women. Those are the choices that this Government is making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EBut you know what? I just want to touch in my brief amount of time on two of the smaller Budget lines, because did you know that there\u2019s one department that\u2019s getting a year-on-year increase in funding over and above baseline? It\u2019s a 5\u00A0percent increase every single year. Who\u2019s that? Oh, that would be David Seymour\u2019s pet ministry, the Ministry for Regulation. Every year, a percent increase whilst Oranga Tamariki is cutting funds and is in disarray, whilst the Police can\u2019t recruit, whilst all around our country our Public Service is cutting services at the front line to meet Nicola Willis\u2019 Budget demands. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour\u2019s ministry is getting 5\u00A0percent more, year on year, for the next four Budget rounds. That\u2019s so he can push his vanity bill, the Regulatory Standards Bill, the bill which says not that we must take into account the welfare of our community or our environment or biodiversity or our social cohesion, or Te Tiriti\u2014no, no, what it\u2019s got to preserve is the rights of property owners, that their rights might not be impaired; that if in fact their personal property rights are impaired, they must be compensated, so that when we next come to regulate vaping and tell people that they can\u2019t sell vapes to 18year-olds, for example, we\u2019d have to pay them for taking the privilege of selling vapes away from them. That\u2019s the kind of Budget that we\u2019ve got here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EHere\u2019s another small cut. So we\u2019ve got David Seymour getting a 5\u00A0percent increase, but in the Ministry of Justice and courts, Te Ao M\u0101rama\u2014one of our most effective programmes to make sure that the experience of the court process is good for victims and is effective in stopping reoffending\u2014is being cut. It was to be rolled out around the country. It\u2019s in eight courtrooms at the moment, in the District Court, and what it does is it connects offenders with appropriate services in the community to give them the supports to rehabilitate and not reoffend, and it\u2019s been shown to be really effective. In fact, the Chief District Court Judge called it\u2014on one occasion\u2014transformative, and it also supports victims through the process, to reduce the harm of the offender. So here we have a programme which reduces the harm of offending, improves outcomes for victims, and basically makes the courts work effectively, but in her penny pinching and scrabbling around to find the cash for gas exploration, Nicola Willis has cut that programme. It will no longer be rolled out around the country, and our judiciary will do their best but won\u2019t have the financial resources to do it effectively.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003ESo here we have it, a Government of choices: money for gas exploration but not for early childhood Best Start payments; money for tax breaks for big businesses but no money for our lowest-paid women workers. That\u0027s the choices this Government makes; it\u0027s shameful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022 data-id=\u0022441f42a5df1648e2b03bfe13eac11378\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022441f42a5df1648e2b03bfe13eac11378\u0022\u003EHon JO LUXTON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I wish I could say it was a pleasure to stand up and take a call on this, but, actually, it is not. It is a shameful, shameful Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI recall the Prime Minister out on the campaign trail or when they first became a Government, saying, \u201CWe\u2019re going to have a laser-sharp focus\u201D\u2014a laser-sharp focus\u2014\u201Con the cost of living.\u201D Well, I say, from the last two Budgets, the Prime Minister has had a laser-sharp focus on increasing the cost of living. If that was his goal, then he has well and truly succeeded.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI note that many of the Government members that have stood up and made contributions in the Chamber today, including senior Ministers and including the Prime Minister when he stood up and made his contribution a week or so ago, all they could talk about was Labour. I say that\u2019s because they know that this is one of the most unpopular Budgets this country has seen in decades.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EAll Cameron Brewer could talk about in his contribution was trawling through the Labour Party\u2019s website, because he had nothing good to say about this Budget, so he had to look for something to talk about. So he thought, \u201CWell, maybe I\u2019ll look on the Labour Party\u2019s website. They\u2019ve probably got something worth talking about.\u201D So he trawled through the Labour Party\u2019s website and then he said, \u201COh, I was looking for media statements from Labour.\u201D, because clearly it\u2019s more interesting than talking about the Budget. Then he went to go on and mock the statement that had come out about \u201Cbugs in lunches\u201D, as he referred to it. I say that is so dismissive. I guarantee that if it was his child\u2019s lunch that had a bug in it and Labour was in Government, he would be screaming from the rooftops about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003ERyan Hamilton talked about all the great things in the Budget and all the great things he was going to talk about. He listed a few things and then he went on to talk about Fieldays because Fieldays is fun, it\u2019s interesting, and it\u2019s exciting\u2014and it is far, far better than this Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EDan Bidois talked about how wonderful it was that his son was in daycare. That is the value that they put on early childhood education (ECE), by calling it \u201Cdaycare\u201D. We see that no more clearly than in the latest move by Minister David Seymour with regards to pay parity for the ECE sector, and pretty much just getting rid of it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI want to talk about the Budget now\u2014the Budget that takes away from our hard-working women in New Zealand who have been fighting for pay equity. These are the women that have paid for the National-led Government\u2019s Budget\u2014women that were our heroes during the pandemic; women who were essential front-line workers; women who this Government has, basically, said, \u201CYou don\u2019t matter. Your workers have no value.\u201D I notice none of the Government MPs have mentioned pay equity in any of their contributions today, because they are ashamed\u2014and if they aren\u2019t, then they should be very ashamed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI want to talk about care and support workers. I have a Down\u2019s syndrome sister who has wonderful care and support workers. One I want to talk about, in particular, is Rebekah Hope. Rebekah Hope helps to support my sister in her day-to-day care needs, taking her to doctors appointments, hospitals, and all those really important things that help Teresa live a good, good life. Teresa is quite an easy person to care for; she\u2019s not hugely disabled and doesn\u2019t require lifting and all the other things that plenty of our care and support workers have to do. Rebekah\u2019s contributed to the local Ashburton newspaper. She said she was furious\u2014and I\u2019ll quote her\u2014that she can see that this is all about making the Budget work: \u201CAll we want is what we actually deserve to be paid. Maybe they should come and do our job for a day and see what we actually do.\u201D I challenge members across the House to take Rebekah up on her invitation to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003EI also want to talk briefly, in the short amount of time I have left, around biosecurity. I\u2019m concerned that the biosecurity budget has been slashed overall, and I\u2019m extremely concerned about the issue of Caulerpa up in Northland and the issue it\u2019s going to cause and is causing in our underwater seabeds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244967dc4-6cc7-4567-b8ef-cc3a9b354544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8c2f3221861404e8b0c483c800442ba\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: You ignored it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002226b88bf1-f634-40e7-8019-e75cc483ace7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce3762a24964496080008973f801c980\u0022\u003EHon JO LUXTON\u003C/span\u003E: No, we had not ignored it. Labour put money into it, but this is a shameful Budget. I\u2019ve run out of time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022 data-id=\u002236783cee3cf24e078d9e04e36a0ad5b2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002236783cee3cf24e078d9e04e36a0ad5b2\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN (National\u2014Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Happy to take a call on this and correct some of the misrepresentations that came from that last speaker, the Hon Jo Luxton, because, quite frankly, it was completely out of touch. Now, Mr Bishop, the first person who spoke in the debate today, mentioned the pay equity piece that the former member\u2014the member that just spoke\u2014said hadn\u2019t been mentioned at all. It was in the very first speech. Labour have a history of not listening, and this is just another example of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EBecause, actually, they also have no plan, and we\u2019ve seen that throughout. Mr Webb trying to find one little nit-picking thing to have a go at because, frankly, they know, on balance, this is a practical, pragmatic, and progressive Budget. This Budget is going for growth, and this Budget will help get New Zealand back on track. Because, unfortunately, we had six years of suffering under the lacklustre Labour lot that sent New Zealand into a terrible spin. Inflation at record highs: 7.3\u00A0percent\u2014an outrageously high level of inflation\u2014and an extra $100\u00A0billion of debt. Their only moto seemed to be: \u201CSpending equals success.\u201D As long as they spent more, then they must be achieving more. Yet, without a doubt, you could look across just about any portfolio area and see failure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ELabour failed to deliver better health outcomes for New Zealanders, they failed to deliver better educational performance for New Zealanders, they failed to keep New Zealanders safer in their communities, and they failed the economy. It was an utter mess. We heard that constantly on the campaign trail and I\u2019ve heard it since\u2014Kiwis that have been suffering because of the decisions made by the last Labour Government. They, frankly, let New Zealand down. They should have done better, but this Government now is stepping up and delivering a plan that will get New Zealand back on track.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ENow, there are a number of aspects that we\u2019ve heard canvassed on this side of the House that will help deliver on that ambition from this Government. Now, some of the ones that I\u2019ve been hearing over the last week in the wonderful Waikato electorate, as I\u2019ve been going around the communities, doing my regular cafe catch-ups\u2014and last week was in Morrinsville, Te Aroha, Huntly, Matamata\u2014hearing from locals, coming out to give their views on the Budget, what it might mean for them, and what they\u2019re seeing out and about in the community more broadly. There was strong support for the Investment Boost policy in particular. The business community saw that as a massive opportunity to streamline or to bring forward some of the planned investment that they had to actually deliver on that project for them and their business in a more timely manner. Now, they would have made that decision\u2014this is what I was hearing\u2014in most cases at some point, but this policy will help bring that forwards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EOf course, we have the largest agricultural event in the Southern Hemisphere coming up just next week in the wonderful Waikato region: the Fieldays. I\u2019m sure that will be a fantastic gauge of the impact of the Investment Boost policy as farmers and business owners head to the Fieldays with the view to investing, if they are looking to purchase, or, indeed, for exhibiters, confident that they will be increasing the level of sales that they would otherwise have had off the back of this policy. So that one in particular has been particularly strong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ENow, alongside that, I\u2019ve also seen a strong level of support for the change in policy around access to benefits for 18- and 19-year-olds. Now, we must have more ambition for our young New Zealanders than letting them suffer in a life of benefit dependency like the Labour Government would have them do. They would have them languish, reliant on the State year after year. We know the stats. We know that if you go on a benefit at 18\u00A0years old, you are likely to spend, on average, 20 years on that benefit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238508e12eebd48c797d4bcfcbb29f487\u0022\u003EHon Scott Simpson\u003C/span\u003E: How long?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc0ed5ae14cf4ed49121a7333f4c8436\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN\u003C/span\u003E: Twenty years on a benefit, Mr Simpson. We all know, on this side, that it is totally unacceptable and we refuse to accept that as an acceptable level of ambition for New Zealanders. So we are saying to our young New Zealanders: \u201CYou must aim higher. Go into further study or get a job. And, actually, if you don\u2019t do either of those things, then you need to step up and find a solution, because this is not up to the taxpayers of New Zealand to fund your lifestyle sitting on the couch.\u201D Now, the Green Party might like that, and we hear time and time again about how we just need to give money to people and it will all be OK. Well, unfortunately, the problem is you run out of other people\u2019s money to spend, eventually\u2014that\u2019s the problem with socialism.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ENow, also, some of the feedback I heard around the Waikato was a strong level of confidence and enthusiasm for the new policy around KiwiSaver\u2014enabling 16- and 17year-olds to now actually be part of KiwiSaver and to have those contributions going up over time. For anyone who jumps on to the online calculators, you can see clearly now with this new policy that they will have, on average, about $180,000 more by the time they reach retirement age. Now, that is another way that this Government is demonstrating ambition for New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EWe are going for growth. We are getting the country back on track and we refuse to accept the mediocrity that the previous lot perpetrated. Our country suffered, and we heard that with the high inflation rates. We heard that with the lawlessness, the educational outcomes, the health performance\u2014all of those areas that despite money being shoved out the door day after day to try and deliver better outcomes, it, frankly, did not. There was no accountability. So this Government is focused on bringing that back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ENow, the other one that I heard quite strongly in the community was around the prescriptions, actually, around the Waikato community when I was having my regular coffee catch-ups. It\u2019s a great way to engage with constituents. For those of us on this side, most of us are constituency MPs, so we\u2019re regularly out in our communities and hearing from the coalface what they see, what they\u2019re feeling, and therefore what we can do in this place\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e027ebbd78944c9bb38149a014d7c533\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u003C/span\u003E: Spoke to a single homeless person lately?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287720e5d1b5e4421b73b033151d29065\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014to help improve their lives. Now, the other side don\u2019t have that. And I hear the Greens going off on a tangent again\u2014no surprises there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EBut the 12-month prescription was the other one that came through for a lot of people who are regularly going and getting prescriptions to now be able to only do that over a 12-month period, instead of three months. It saves cost in terms of doctors\u2019 fees, it saves prescription fees, and it actually frees up capacity at those medical centres. In rural communities like Matamata, like Morrinsville, where there is pressure on the medical sector, we need to do anything we can to help alleviate that. This is a great policy to support exactly that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ENow, alongside that, we\u2019ve heard some of the great investment in education. As a parent of primary-aged students myself, I\u2019m very pleased to see that additional focus of learning support going into schools, because I\u2019ve heard that too as I\u2019ve engaged with them, many schools around the Waikato electorate, the need for some additional focus for those that have more diverse learning needs in the classroom to get that more one-on-one support to enable the class more broadly to continue with their learning plans under the teacher\u2019s guidance. This will be a great contributor to delivering exactly that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EOf course, health, as I mentioned, is a big priority in the Waikato, and we\u2019ve seen some great enthusiasm for that prescription policy. Alongside that, of course, is the 24/7 digital health that we\u2019ll be rolling out and the improvement to infrastructure in the health sector. There is a lot of benefit coming to our health sector, indeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EAnd we heard from Ms Luxton her concerns around the pay equity piece. Now, we on this side back pay equity, and that\u2019s why we\u2019ve realigned it to focus specifically on the pay equity piece. That happened before the Budget, because what had happened, unfortunately, under Labour, was they\u2019d just given carte blanche to the unions to bring any sort of grievance as a faux mechanism to try and lift pay rates across the board. We are bringing it back\u2014have brought it back\u2014to focusing on pay equity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003EThat has enabled, under this Budget, the delivery of many of these beneficial policies that I\u2019ve heard consistently last week around the Waikato\u2014and I know my colleagues have as well\u2014which are greatly appreciated by community members; policies that will deliver a direct, daily benefit for them in their lives. That sort of stuff matters. That\u2019s why we do it. That\u2019s why we\u2019ve brought forward a practical, pragmatic, and progressive Budget to actually ensure that we are delivering for New Zealanders over the next four years and beyond, because, of course, we have more ambition than just focusing on the immediate future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ESo alongside the health and education, law and order\u2014more front-line police effort. That\u2019s always appreciated as well. I\u2019ve seen some great improvements there, but there is ongoing pressure that our police face day to day, and I really just want to thank them, because I know they do a magnificent job. I catch up with area commanders in the Waikato regularly and I hear the great work that they\u2019re doing and I thank them and their members for continually putting up that effort.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ENow, defence is an area that I want to touch on in my last minute, because it is fantastic to see a significant boost to defence funding. This is an area where, over a long period of time now, we haven\u2019t invested as much as we should have, quite frankly. This is a critical function of any State, is to look after its citizens\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295b8f13eff054fa6a7cbb16960541a61\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Of us being the lapdog of the US.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225da23ba037da43f7bc55476df07eab05\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and to make sure that it maintains its sovereign integrity. Members in the Green Party might not like that idea, but, actually, that\u2019s how democracy works. That\u2019s what a Government must do and that\u2019s what this Government is doing. We\u2019re investing significantly in more advanced technologies, because, actually, that\u2019s a critical part of ensuring we can respond to the evolving global situation. We are seeing storm clouds on the horizon, so we must do that, but not just from an offensive capability\u2014of course, an offensive capability is an important part of any military\u2014but, actually, to ensure that we can respond to humanitarian assistance and disaster relief needs around the Pacific region but here at home as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022071f7800-2755-41b6-83df-07ebaf867ae2\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m very pleased with these decisions that have been made in the Budget. It is a progressive Budget and New Zealand will have a fantastic future off the back of it. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022130737880b2f4367a8ed441dcd1d380d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022130737880b2f4367a8ed441dcd1d380d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The time has come for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break. The House will resume at 7.30\u00A0p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 5.56\u00A0p.m. to 7.30\u00A0p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022f0173c75fb4e459d8ea064c100177a88\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f0173c75fb4e459d8ea064c100177a88\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Good evening, members. When we broke for the dinner break, we were on the second reading of the Appropriation (2025/26 Estimates) Bill and the amendments proposed to it. We are up to the Green Party call, which I understand is a split call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u00227fd0c82588be431c8e01be1805c237af\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227fd0c82588be431c8e01be1805c237af\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. This Budget has been balanced off the back of the people who are doing it the toughest, and you don\u2019t have to believe me; you\u2019ve just got to look at the numbers. If you look at, for example, what the Government has done when it comes to KiwiSaver, they\u2019ve talked a lot about how people will be better off by the time they reach retirement, but if you\u2019re a minimum wage worker, due to the way that the Government has balanced the Budget, you\u2019re likely to actually be $9.40 worse off each week as a result of that. I think about a lot of the minimum wage workers who are living week to week, scraping by each day before the pay cheque, saving the few dollars that remained in their bank account, many of whom would have thought, \u201CWhy should I be signing up to KiwiSaver when, actually, I\u2019m going to be worse off as a result of this Government?\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI think the Government has got a really disconnected and out-of-touch view when it comes to low-income people, because for them to keep talking about the so-called benefit that low-income earners will see down the line ignores the reality that too many families are doing it tough right now and they\u2019ve found very little relief in this Government\u2019s Budget. Once again, this Government has, for example, chosen to punish people in public housing and in affordable rentals by stripping them of the accommodation supplement, and 13,200 people will be worse off as a result of this Government\u2019s decisions. Some of them will be worse off, on average, by $100 each week. Some of them\u2014the rest\u2014will be, on average, over $130 worse off each week. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThat may not mean a lot to the members who spend a lot of time in the Koru lounge, but it certainly means a lot for families who struggle to make ends meet. A hundred dollars literally is the difference between being able to put food on the table and being able to afford your bills, and I\u2019m sick and tired of listening to the Government members talk about these changes as if it\u2019s about fairness when, actually, it ends up punishing and stripping thousands of households of their ability to make ends meet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EToday, we heard in the House about how Christopher Luxon says that we\u2019ve got to do more to tackle child poverty. Well, more to do when? They\u2019ve already had two Budgets to show us that they\u2019re serious about tackling child poverty, and what\u2019s worse in this Government\u2019s Budget is we\u2019re going to see, basically, nil progress on addressing child poverty. The material hardship of children, on the other hand, will continue to get worse. \u201CMaterial hardship\u201D is the definition that we used to talk about\u2014the reality that children don\u2019t have enough to live on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229cc3abf978e34f34bf122bf04224139a\u0022\u003EStuart Smith\u003C/span\u003E: You had six years\u2014it got worse. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220af2c6a8b5741709d37a7052df2be24\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: And, yeah, it got worse in the previous Government, as well, and, yeah, the Greens were critical of that. The Greens have been championing for a guaranteed income so that we can lift all families out of poverty. We fought hard to end benefit sanctions in the previous Government and in the term before, and I actually think our families in poverty deserve far more than having the main parties taking jabs at each other and saying, \u201COh, you didn\u2019t do as much.\u201D, and \u201CYou didn\u2019t do as much, either.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EDo you know what? We could actually do enough. We could tax the wealthy few and actually guarantee livable incomes. We could have thriving public services if we chose to. But, instead, this Government is literally choosing to cut the potential wage increases of some of our lowest-paid women and to actually leave some of the workers in some of the most undervalued industries worse off, because employers will end up basically reducing wage growth as a result of the changes to KiwiSaver\u2014and, again, you don\u2019t have to believe me; that\u2019s been reported and analysed for the Government\u2019s own ministries. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EIt just reeks of complete disconnection with everyday people to have members on the other side\u2014literally, in the call just before mine\u2014talking about how they\u2019ve been out in cafes talking to everyday people, but I bet you that they haven\u2019t talked to a single person living in poverty, they haven\u2019t talked to a single person who is homeless right now, and they haven\u2019t talked to the people who have been rejected for emergency housing and been left to languish on the streets. Instead, they\u2019ve decided to talk about their imaginary beneficiaries that they\u2019ve decided to create and role play\u2014you know, the so-called teenagers that are refusing to take a job and are playing PlayStation all day\u2014when, I\u2019ll tell you what: this Government has actively chosen to cut jobs to deal with inflation. They drove up unemployment and put the boot down on people on the benefit by preventing countless 18 to 19yearolds from accessing income support. This, again, just shows that this isn\u2019t a Government that is ruling for the many, but rather for their wealthy mates, because those effective tax cuts that they\u2019re giving to companies won\u2019t trickle down to the everyday person. That hasn\u2019t worked for 40 years, and it won\u2019t work now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EWhat I want to tell people is that a different world is absolutely possible and it\u2019s within our reach. If we choose to have a Government that is bold enough to tax the wealthy few and actually, potentially, tax work less than we do right now and tax assets and wealth more, we could have the public services that we deserve. Voters deserve far better than a Government that is telling the voters to eat coal this Christmas, and we deserve a Government that is serious about addressing child poverty. I think our communities have had enough of a Government that is quite willing to put the boot down on some of the families doing it the toughest, and this Government will be punished for letting poverty and inequality increase under their watch while they have no remorse about it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022 data-id=\u0022d770e18c78034296ab427957693cfda3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d770e18c78034296ab427957693cfda3\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Government talks about the fact that they\u2019re investing a lot in education in this Budget, so I think it is important for us to actually break down exactly what they are investing in. Let\u2019s start with early childhood education (ECE). We know that the Government contributes roughly $2.7\u00A0billion in ECE each year. We also know that for parents, they are paying some of the highest costs for ECE in OECD countries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EThis year, even more surprisingly, not only have we seen announcements by the now Deputy Prime Minister and from the Associate Minister of Education on more hardship and penalties and sanctions and also the further punching down of ECE teachers in Aotearoa, but what we are also seeing is an effective 0.5\u00A0percent increase in the ECE funding compared to what we saw before of 2.1\u00A0percent in terms of inflation. That is, effectively, a cut to the ECE sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EWe know the failed experiment of the Government when it comes to FamilyBoost last year that out of the 100,000 families they said they promised\u2014only half of them have managed to get any money from FamilyBoost in reality. What we are seeing is the Government trying their best to put forward blue and yellow tape to the people and to the families of Aotearoa New Zealand to prevent them from actually accessing the support that they need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EWhat we have proposed in a Green Budget is to nationalise and to have free ECE services because, frankly, that is what our tamariki, that\u2019s what our mokopuna deserve in Aotearoa. They deserve to have that. We should not be pushing the cost of ECE on to parents who are already struggling as it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EWhen the Government talks about how much they care for the people of Aotearoa, how about our future generations? How about the parents who are just doing their best to support their child? Why would we consider continuously taking on debt\u2014the Government hates debt, but the debt that this Government is taking on is against our mokopuna. That is what we are seeing in this Budget more than ever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EBut one of the other things that the Government likes to talk about in terms of education is just how much money they have put into learning support. We have seen reports that they put something along the lines of $646\u00A0million into learning support, but let us break that down again. I am going to use Minister of Education Erica Stanford\u2019s favourite term, which is reprioritisation, because that is what we see when it comes to the investment that we are making when it comes to learning support and education in this Budget. What we are seeing is that the Government wants to paint this nice picture of them investing a lot, but in effect they are basically taking it from one side and trying to put it in the other and painting it like we are putting more money into it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EWhen we are working from the summary of initiatives of all of the numbers around learning support\u2014of the initiatives\u2014balancing it with all of the savings they\u2019ve made from learning support they have taken away, what we\u2019re actually seeing is investment of roughly $180\u00A0million compared to the $650\u00A0million that they\u2019ve been parading around saying that they have invested in learning support. That is disingenuous and frankly that is insulting to the educators of Aotearoa New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EThe Minister today in oral questions talked about the fact that \u201COne school tells me\u201D\u2014one school, one principal, \u201Ctells me\u201D\u2014because that\u2019s all she could find. She could not use genuine statistics to rationalise her poor judgment and her poor decisions and lack of support on funding to the education sector. Because you know what? The Government has given $153\u00A0million to charter schools, which only support roughly\u2014as at the beginning of this year\u2014215 students. That\u2019s how much money they have given to charter schools to that many students compared to $180\u00A0million for learning support for the entire country in this Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EThis Government, when it comes to numbers, has a seriously inflated sense of numbers, much like their ego. This is not how we should be looking at the way that we look after our future generations. This is incredibly problematic, and the Greens will not support it because this is terrible for education.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022f21ddd6918cf4fb085fe2251ae21ac35\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f21ddd6918cf4fb085fe2251ae21ac35\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I understand this is a split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022 data-id=\u00225941f3f49d5a4ff5ba0590b7702f162d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225941f3f49d5a4ff5ba0590b7702f162d\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. Now, five minutes is just simply not enough time to address all of the concerns that I have with this year\u2019s Budget, because I have the portfolios of education and children. But I\u2019m going to do my best to highlight some of the key issues that I have with the Government\u2019s Budget. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EI will read out the response from the Post-Primary Teachers\u2019 Association: \u201CBitter\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244967dc4-6cc7-4567-b8ef-cc3a9b354544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8e83947642d4b26bf9a50cae87c10ec\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, your mates\u2014known for their balance!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4b7c914bdd94f319c376d3c81b2997a\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, and not yours. Ready? \u201CBittersweet, \u201Ctainted money\u201D, education dollars from money set aside to fund claims for \u201Chundreds of thousands of workers.\u201D New Zealand Educational Institute Te Riu Roa: it is being funded by \u201Cgutting pay equity\u201D and defunding K\u0101hui Ako, resource teachers M\u0101ori, and resource teachers Literacy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ESo this Minister stands up and boasts about the largest investment in learning support in a generation, but the teachers know because they understand\u2014they can add\u2014and they know that they are paying for the learning support they have been crying out for. That funding, that \u201Creprioritisation\u201D of funding from pay equity claims and from apparently underperforming programmes, has funded this learning support. Everybody needs to understand that this was not new money that the Minister got from the Minister of Finance. This is not new money from the Government. This is a reprioritisation, aka a cut to fund these. Right, that was two minutes just to explain that that $614\u00A0million has come from reprioritisation of programmes like K\u0101hui Ako, which is going to impact\u2014as we know from the leaked documentation\u2014over 4,000 roles, 600 full-time teacher equivalents (FTTEs), over $300\u00A0million in funding from an apparently underperforming programme\u2014wait for it\u2014introduced by Hekia Parata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ESo is this the National Government, once again, getting rid of one of its own policies, one of its own initiatives to fund this? But resource teachers M\u0101ori, resource teachers Literacy\u2014literally cutting jobs and learning support to fund jobs and learning support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003ETwo minutes to go; I\u2019d better move on to children. We have this Government investing almost $33\u00A0million\u2014$33\u00A0million\u2014in their failed boot camp experiment. It has failed. The Minister will not be honest with the public; the Prime Minister will not be honest with the public and tell the public what the reoffending statistics are. We have asked time and time again to show us the evidence that this intervention is reducing reoffending. And the Minister and the Prime Minister both refuse to give the public that information. Yet they\u2019re going to splash around another $33\u00A0million on the failed boot camp experiment. The pilot hasn\u2019t even finished, they are bringing the bill back for its second reading in Parliament, and they have not evaluated that programme, and they\u2019re going to be entrenching it into law and giving over $15\u00A0million for the young serious offender category and legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EShame on this Government, who is supposed to be making evidence-based decisions and yet there is no evidence to support that significant investment into their vanity project of boot camps. The last vanity project I would like to talk about is that of David Seymour for charter schools. We heard this evening that over $100\u00A0million is being invested into charter schools. Not a single State school has converted in the last financial year. It\u2019s five times more per student to fund a charter school than it is to a public school.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221ebd1031-ea10-4c3d-bb56-2cd99528ae91\u0022\u003EIn the final 20 seconds that I have left, I want to say this Budget also was supposed to address the abuse in care, and we know that announcement and that funding that was announced from this Budget did not go down with survivors because they are simply putting more money into the system which they are opposed to. We do not support the Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022 data-id=\u002265ae2e3e801a4a27b3ded1cabef3d262\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002265ae2e3e801a4a27b3ded1cabef3d262\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. Madam Speaker, this is a \u201CBS Budget\u201D. It is a \u201CBS Budget\u201D because it takes $12.8\u00A0billion out of the back pockets of women workers: our mums, our sisters, our aunties, our nieces, all of the women that matter in our lives. This is a continual punch down from this Government on the groups that don\u2019t agree with them, and this Budget is just one more example.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003ENational is cutting and making women and young people pay. However you dress it up, this Budget is a cut for students, it\u2019s a cut for staff, it\u2019s a cut for tertiary education, and it\u2019s a cut for women working in the sector through the cancellation of their pay equity claims: our clerical staff, our administrative staff, our librarians, women that matter in the tertiary workforce. It does not address in this Budget any of the funding challenges that the sector hoped for, no matter where they work, whether in w\u0101nanga, in universities, or in polytechnics.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EWhen unemployment is at its highest, at 5.2\u00A0percent, and almost double that for M\u0101ori and Pacific, more people are choosing to study, and this Budget does not adequately address training a skilled workforce for the future. The 4\u00A0percent funding increase that equalled $64\u00A0million per year for universities has been cut by this Government. This was put aside to support the funding shortfall that universities have experienced for over a decade. Instead, this Government has chosen to only invest in science, technology, engineering, and maths (STEM) subjects. There is no net gain. As a result, this Budget will put some universities in a financial position that is no longer viable, particularly those who have less STEM subjects available. And what does this mean? It means more cuts, more cuts to staffing, more cuts to courses, and unsustainability of the tertiary education sector. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EThese funding changes just simply don\u2019t make sense. Budgets are a choice to invest and build for the future or to cut, and this one does exactly that. This Budget subscribes to an unrealistic notion that Governments can make students\u2019 choices for them and that is just not true. Even Universities New Zealand CEO Chris Whelan has said today, \u201CThere seems to be a belief that somehow universities\u201D\u2014and Minister Reti, if he\u2019s listening\u2014\u201Cif they\u2019re given more funding for science, technology, engineering, maths-type subjects, can persuade students to drop doing the liberal arts or social sciences and shift across. The reality is that\u2019s just not the case.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s be clear: all fields of university study contribute to building a skilled workforce in Aotearoa New Zealand, and it\u2019s one that we desperately need. This does include arts degrees, it does include commerce degrees, and it does include nursing and teaching degrees that we must invest in. The reality of Budget 2025 is that students will be paying more to study because of this Government\u2019s decision to allow institutions to increase student fees up to 6\u00A0percent. That is incredible during a cost of living crisis that the Government promised to change and they simply haven\u2019t. And because of this Government, when they graduate they will have to pay back more in loan repayments despite not being any better off.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003EThe transition away from Te P\u016Bkenga remains uncertain under this Budget. It offers nothing to the providers out there, the staff, and the students. The Minister\u2019s new industry skills boards only receive 46\u00A0percent of the funding that workforce development councils had, and they are expected to deliver the same work for the same pay. There is a theme that comes across this particular Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229c069cdb-968c-4f11-b126-92f9c655148b\u0022\u003ESo as I stated, this Budget does nothing for tertiaries, for universities, for w\u0101nanga, or for polytechnics. It\u2019s a Budget that takes from women and young people, and I do not commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022 data-id=\u002258e3397a5e144874ac88047dc6db0edf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002258e3397a5e144874ac88047dc6db0edf\u0022\u003EHon SCOTT SIMPSON (Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That this debate be now adjourned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298dbeffa-e059-49d5-8bbf-579cbaead9a3\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f28a69a932d24f8f94da572bd83db69b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f28a69a932d24f8f94da572bd83db69b\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Social Security (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Bill, the Invest New Zealand Bill, and the Rates Rebate Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b18e1555896e4500a7b894ae2a5299a2\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022af3128cc81e7413e84df8b3ca1125c65\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022d390bb03b78f484f9aa51e92e4375835\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d390bb03b78f484f9aa51e92e4375835\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee on the Social Security (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Bill, the Invest New Zealand Bill, and the Rates Rebate Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002248785f0b89f14dee8ef801dab6648276\u0022\u003ESocial Security (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fa356ee4cc304c469dcbbb3bdb556d05\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000556\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 22 May.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c6e2666c86f84ff194eaad0bdf416019\u0022\u003EPart 2  Other amendments to principal Act (continued)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u002244bc1de8c55e45f8902191c61320267b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002244bc1de8c55e45f8902191c61320267b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We come first to the Social Security (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Bill, but before we begin, I would like to inform the committee that, at the end of the debate on Part 1 of this bill, an amendment lodged by Arena Williams was not properly dealt with. No question was put on it nor was the amendment ruled out of order at the time. The amendment in question proposes to replace every instance of the word \u201Cmandatory\u201D with \u201Cautomated decision-making system\u201D in new Subpart 3A of Part 6, as inserted by clause\u00A04. I am ruling now that the amendment is out of order as being contrary to the objects and principles of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EMembers, when we were last considering this bill, we were debating Part 2. Once again, the question is that Part 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022d850fdc1f1b3478ba9e1d741349e0af7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d850fdc1f1b3478ba9e1d741349e0af7\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Before we continue, I thought I would just make some remarks on Part 2. For those who were following this debate last time we talked about it, this is a page\u2014it\u2019s a page of the bill, this part\u2014and it creates a regulation-making power. So I thought it would be useful to the committee to state that the regulations will be able to be made for two purposes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThe first regulation-making power will allow specified benefits to be added or removed from the list, that will be subject to mandatory reviews. As I noted during the debate on the last part, this power has been carefully created to ensure that primary legislation includes a list of payments that cannot be added to the list via regulation. This means that there are some payments which cannot be subject to mandatory reviews, which, of course, maintains parliamentary sovereignty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThe second regulation-making power will allow for exceptions to the Ministry of Social Development\u2019s (MSD) requirement to review specified benefits to be outlined in legislation. As I, again, outlined during the debate on the last part, the kinds of circumstances that are intended to be included are when a client\u2019s in hospital for more than 13 weeks or the client\u2019s in a residential disability care or rest home care, or the client resides in or is present in and cannot reasonably leave an area in respect of which a state of local or national emergency is in force, or if there\u2019s a major system outage that prevents MSD from meeting the review requirements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EThis part also provides transitional requirements for arrangements. These outline how clients will be moved on to the new regime of reviews. Clients will generally have their first review 52 weeks after their specified benefit commenced. If they have more than one specified benefit, their first review date will be based on their main benefit\u2019s commencement date or the payment that commenced first, if the client does not receive a main benefit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022 data-id=\u0022b727c3a34f9b4bf1903d7dc9eab5101d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b727c3a34f9b4bf1903d7dc9eab5101d\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019d like to ask about new section\u00A0438A and I\u2019d like to ask about subsection\u00A0(1)(a) of that where you\u2019ve described the right to make regulations and you\u2019ve also gone on in (b) to talk about the prescribed circumstances for an exception. So I want to know, first of all, why the Minister for Social Development and Employment decided not to actually elaborate on the nature of those designations. Why are they so open-ended in this situation? If we\u2019d been to a select committee, it would be very likely that we would have more detail, but I\u2019d like the Minister to explain why that has happened.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to ask about the second part of that, the prescribing circumstances, because although the Minister has talked about some of those circumstances, the list is quite eclectic. It doesn\u2019t have a principle attached to it, and so I am concerned. We heard from the Hon Damien O\u2019Connor in the last committee hearing on this, and he talked about how the impact on older people was quite significant, that it was an issue that would probably affect their mental health because it would be so stressful. You will recall he talked about a driver\u2019s licence situation where many of our constituents actually get really distressed by that need to go and sit their driver\u2019s licence, and now people with an accommodation supplement who are elderly are going to have to come in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003ESo I would like to know from the Minister, rather than her just shaking her head, whether it would be within the scope of this circumstance that the Ministry of Social Development take into account what\u2019s going on for the person in that situation. So either we look at it and see that there is a very low benefit to these things when you\u2019re over 65 and that it\u2019s causing distress as a general class, or maybe it\u2019s the individual themselves where it\u2019s tipping the balance. We often got people on sickness benefits, but I also am interested in the issue about the distress caused to people where there\u2019s very little history of not disclosing information. It might be possible in the regulation to tidy this up, and I\u2019d like to know whether that is possible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to know, in terms of designating the kinds of benefits that we\u2019re talking about here, what happens if the name of the benefit changes. That happens from time to time. The Government says it\u2019s a \u201Chelping hand\u201D benefit, for example\u2014they\u2019re very fond of that phrase\u2014and they\u2019ll say it\u2019s a helping hand benefit. Does that suddenly get added to the list or is it something\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022094b0ff4-e404-451b-b4a9-ad12bd4dee56\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f710305b306d4f59b6c26ccca9649b7c\u0022\u003EStuart Smith\u003C/span\u003E: You think the regulation powers might be handy if the name changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c19040f1ecb4a41aaa23d30563bd824\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Well, this is the job of the Minister to answer the question for the public, who haven\u2019t got that information. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003ECan the Minister talk about the scope of that regulation in terms of a change like that? Are we going to see\u2014because there will be a lot of people out there who are fearful that this is the creep and that we\u2019ve got a list at the moment of what might be in, but it\u2019s not actually tied down in this way and that by regulation there can be a change. So if there is a new benefit, will that decision be made? And if the name of the benefit now, something similar replaces it with a new name, does the regulation apply in this situation? These are genuine questions. We\u2019ve got a whole lot of New Zealand that are very upset about the fact that they are going to have to pay $100 a week when they\u2019re in a low-income situation because they\u2019ve got a boarder. So it\u2019s very important that they know whether they will be in or out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003ESo I would like to know\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d64de4c1-ef68-477e-9c50-db5cbdf99404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c376705817b42ac84b79b200115c039\u0022\u003ETom Rutherford\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225bf76eb809574736ac08895028c8ad92\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and I\u2019m asking the questions on behalf of them, which is what my job is, Mr Smith\u2014my job is to ask those questions. So I would like an answer for the New Zealand public who are worrying tonight that they are going to have to pay $100 a week that they didn\u2019t have to pay before. Where is that scope? Is this it or is it actually going to creep wider than this? Is there going to be like-for-like replacement, or is in fact that list going to grow? And why the Minister has not\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c40537baad340abaf7735ffe9487759\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s time has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u00223a6dd2357e7a451a9f9266326e04fe58\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223a6dd2357e7a451a9f9266326e04fe58\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Just further to what my colleague Helen White was saying: it\u2019s the stigmatising, in terms of our people at the coalface, that is really, really making us angry on this side, and the punitive nature of this whole bill. That\u2019s why we\u2019re trying to help you, Mr Smith, with our different amendments that we\u2019re putting up. We\u2019re trying to help the Minister for Social Development and Employment, and that\u2019s why I\u2019ve got a suggestion, in terms of \u201CNew Part 11 inserted into Schedule 1\u201D, and I\u2019m talking about Part 2, of course. What we\u2019re looking at doing is to help the Minister maybe delete the whole clause, delete new clause\u00A0105. This new clause\u00A0105 means a benefit can be reviewed after 52 weeks. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EMy amendment says that we just delete it altogether, but the problem is even if the benefit had been granted long before the bill comes into force\u2014that\u2019s the problem, there\u2019s no give; there\u2019s no concession in terms of our people. They may have been on going through the process. They may be at 32 weeks, 42 weeks, and they\u2019ve already gone through this process, and then all of a sudden they have to be reviewed at 52 weeks. The point is that beneficiaries have to prepare for a review at very, very short notice, and the stress and the pressures on beneficiaries, as we have been constantly saying, are far, far too much, incredibly unfair. So that\u2019s why the amendment has been put up, that we should just delete this clause and actually get the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) back to their core priorities, and that\u2019s getting people into work. That\u2019s where the Government have got no plan\u2014got no plan in terms of getting people back into work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002231e14629-7251-4b68-9f90-22b71db0b1c1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe4ea4a5e89545fca47a1fcb9fc3abba\u0022\u003EDavid MacLeod\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! That\u2019s what this is about, Willie. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281ca435939ea4857b356d7b693d7fa19\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Check the unemployment rates out there, Mr MacLeod, and you will see your M\u0101ori unemployment rates have gone up considerably. That is because there is no plan. Targeted programmes have been abandoned\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022862819ec4c704f6e8f8ee7255d72ef4d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Back to the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205d5ce4504704af7af2109245b14c61e\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s part of my amendment actually, Madam Chair\u2014you might want to read it. This whole clause, I should say, is more about compliance rather than creating meaningful pathways into employment. That\u2019s why I\u2019m saying to the Minister with my amendment that she should consider deleting it altogether. I recommend that she considers deleting the clause so that MSD can concentrate on their core duties of getting people into work, not booting people out into homelessness or on to the side because they don\u2019t have the manpower to actually deal with all the compliance. Rather than burdening people with compliance, can we look at the clause being totally deleted? That amendment is in front of the Minister right now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u002269c312e2bfc44fd1a73fa0d07ea09c3f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269c312e2bfc44fd1a73fa0d07ea09c3f\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E I want to bring the committee back to the fact that this is just about regulation-making powers. I\u2019ve specified the two purposes. So this is about making it straightforward. I know members have talked about a whole range of other things that are completely irrelevant to this bill. As I said, in the regulation-making power, this part also includes the transitional arrangements, so clients will have their first review 52 weeks after their specified benefit commenced. I\u2019m not sure what the member was talking about in terms of only having a couple of weeks\u2019 notice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u00221e5fbb6a3ceb4cdaac82c90a336e691b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e5fbb6a3ceb4cdaac82c90a336e691b\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I wanted to pick up on the new Part 11 inserted into Schedule 1. These are the provisions related to the Social Security (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Act 2025. I\u2019m looking at new clause\u00A0105(2)(c). This is where it reads, \u201Cthe date on which MSD last contacted the beneficiary to confirm whether the information MSD holds regarding the beneficiary\u2019s circumstances is correct.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003ENow, I wanted to focus on that last part of the sentence. I had a few questions in relation to how it\u2019s worded because right now the wording is really open, so it just talks about beneficiary circumstances. What I wanted to ask is what set of circumstances the Minister for Social Development and Employment hopes that the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) checks in relation to that clause\u00A0105. For example, will relationship status be part of what MSD checks in terms of whether the beneficiary\u2019s circumstances are correct? I\u2019m seeing the officials nod\u2014I can\u2019t tell if it\u2019s a confirmation, but I\u2019m looking forward to the Minister answering that. The reason why I ask this is because this piece of legislation was introduced off the back of the changes to how the accommodation supplement is calculated for people who have boarders. In fact, I mean, the rhetoric has been talked about in relation to the implementation of that other bill, but for example, we know that a lot of fraud investigations happen and a large majority of them are in relation to people\u2019s relationship status.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI did want to ask if the Minister would name the set of circumstances that MSD will check in this new clause\u00A0105 to see as part of the Schedule, and if relationship is part of that, what else would she see MSD touching. I ask this as well because I take us back to the savings that the Government is making as part of this bill. We know that there\u2019s around $238\u00A0million in savings when it comes to benefit or related expenses. I want to know if the Minister has a distributional analysis of where that is coming from, like, for example, which benefits are being targeted as a result of that and which groups are disproportionately likely to be targeted and where these savings are coming from. This relates to the Schedule because, for example, if a beneficiary\u2019s relationship status is part of what is being assessed, we could see solo parents, particularly, being disproportionately affected as a result of this. We know that a lot of solo parents end up being deemed to be in a relationship in the nature of marriage when they\u2019re just starting to reconnect and starting to date people, for example. They may not be in a relationship in the nature of marriage, but MSD considers them to be so. That\u2019s a very common experience in the front line.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI am concerned that the language in clause\u00A0105 is left so open when it comes to beneficiary circumstances because it doesn\u2019t give clarity to the person on the benefit as to what MSD has scope for in terms of asking. If I\u2019m a person on the benefit now subjected to the provisions in this bill, I\u2019ll have basically\u2014like, it kind of gives MSD carte blanche in terms of the kind of circumstances they can ask about. To recap, I\u2019m keen to ask: does MSD already have a set of circumstances that they will check up against? If so, what are those? Is relationship status included in that? Then I\u2019m also keen to see if the Minister would provide a breakdown on the types of benefits and groups that will most likely be represented in that $238\u00A0million worth of savings in the benefits or related expenses as savings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EFinally, my last question relates to whether, if a beneficiary is deemed to have been overpaid as part of these mandatory reviews, MSD will continue applying debt to the person on the benefit because they\u2019ve been deemed to have been overpaid. Now, if that is the case, does she believe that the provisions in the Schedule in terms of the timings could lead to a reduction in people\u2019s weekly incomes in the long run because of them having that income subtracted from their main benefit on a weekly basis? I just want to clarify that if these mandatory reviews happen and MSD realises they\u2019ve been overpaying people\u2014whether a debt will be automatically established and what repayment levels is MSD expected to set as part of that. But I\u2019m particularly hoping to see a list of the circumstances that MSD will check against in new clause\u00A0105, inserted by the Schedule. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022501b9847c6fb4d77b5a1b7ff45c00348\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022501b9847c6fb4d77b5a1b7ff45c00348\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E I did go through this in Part 1\u2014the circumstances\u2014it\u2019s all about eligibility and about rate. And just a reminder to the committee that when somebody signs on to a benefit, they commit to identifying and notifying the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) when there is a change of circumstance. So there is already a requirement that they notify MSD of a change of circumstances\u2014anything that affects their eligibility. In this case, in terms of mandatory review, it might be that we find that somebody isn\u2019t receiving all of what they are entitled to, so as a result of their annual review, their payments might go up. But as I say, I\u2019m not going to go into things that are in Part 1. I\u2019ve been clear about that in Part\u00A01. This is a very simple regulation-making power alone. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022 data-id=\u002249fc453359c94e2b84410d0ae4130e41\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002249fc453359c94e2b84410d0ae4130e41\u0022\u003EDr VANESSA WEENINK (National\u2014Banks Peninsula):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022 data-id=\u002263ca1a3e98ae44dcb3c9dd527502c609\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002263ca1a3e98ae44dcb3c9dd527502c609\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I would just preface my comments with a reminder that we have not had the opportunity to go through a select committee process. We\u2019ve only just started on Part 2, and there are some things around Part 2 that are quite problematic, including what I would like to discuss, which is at new section\u00A0438A, the regulations, (1)(b), \u201Cprescribing circumstances for the exception under \u2026 310E(1) [for] the requirement for [the] MSD to undertake a mandatory review\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EThe first question really is around the kind of language that is used which does not give any wiggle room for beneficiaries or for their circumstances\u2014this is all about letting the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) off the requirement. When I look over at what is covered in new section\u00A0310B(1), that is \u201Cwithin 52 weeks [upon] the date [in] which the benefit commences;\u201D, and so on. I\u2019m wondering what happens in the transitional arrangements, if there is something where the regulations would speak to that, or are the transitional arrangements all included in the subsequent section? Which could be problematic because we\u2019ve got 52 weeks specified, and in transitional arrangements there may not be 52 weeks. I\u2019m pretty sure my colleague Priyanca Radhakrishnan is going to be speaking further about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EThe second question I have is in relation to section\u00A0310E(1)(b)(i). It says: \u201Cdefinition of disruption, replace \u2018that section\u2019 with \u2018that section and [then that]\u2019.\u201D Now, this is an example of how clunky this legislation is. It says under new section\u00A0310E(1)(b)(i): \u201Cthere is a disruption to an automated electronic system used for mandatory reviews by MSD of specified benefits; or\u201D. Subclause\u00A0(2) is not included and I\u2019m wondering why that is not included when there is an \u201Cor\u201D already in subclause\u00A0(1)\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4fd39dfefff4dcfb526b85c3cced44a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry to interrupt the member. Can you please refer us to the page number you\u2019ve got?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e9dc1765764646cb9050b9cfa2fe1081\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY\u003C/span\u003E: Page\u00A0six of the bill. So section\u00A0310E(1)(b)\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0eb4786b09c4dd989dd56a218f63db0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Which is Part 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236b7ad25b10c4eb792acd1f1cb121ac9\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, in the Schedule under Part 2\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b62eb7f450624546b388885fa0b545d2\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: You were referring back to it, though.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca645c098b8949f79b4798ccf8bf400c\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m referring back to it. In Schedule 2, it is amending section\u00A0310E(1)(b)(i), which we have not discussed, in relation to the wording that is being used. And the question that I have is around whether that disruption is technical; is it to do with power cuts; what happens if there is a staffing disruption? But also if I look at the writing, it says (b)(i) \u201Cor\u201D\u2014it doesn\u2019t go on to specify prescribed circumstances that apply to the beneficiary. Why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EAnd then if we go down to prescribed circumstances, this is incredibly clunky. It says \u201Ccircumstances in which MSD is not required under this section to undertake a mandatory review that MSD would, but for this section, be required to [undertake]\u201D. I\u2019m kind of keen to know how well the Minister for Social Development and Employment knows the legislation to be able to explain to us why that has not been included when all of those two sections are supposed to be together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EMadam Chair, this is definitely in Part 2. This is around the Schedule 2 amendment, and so it would be good to understand what she thinks that is supposed to capture and why there is only kind of half of the section that all belongs together and all has previously, suddenly is decimated for the purpose of this Schedule; and why have they not just included it in its totality, which would have made more sense?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u002203b654fe3d0842d38d8f23d3fbd9dc23\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203b654fe3d0842d38d8f23d3fbd9dc23\u0022\u003EHon PRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. There are just two points that I want to make related to Part 2, before I get to a couple of questions for the Minister for Social Development and Employment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EOne is what this person calls a \u201Cvoluntary submission\u201D that was sent in just yesterday, and given that we don\u2019t have a select committee process considering this bill as it was being considered under urgency, I did just want to point to a few points that this person makes. This person is disabled and is potentially impacted by this bill. One point that he or she makes\u2014the name is withheld because they\u2019re worried about repercussions if their name is actually out in the public domain\u2014is a concern for new section\u00A0438A, inserted by clause\u00A06. I take the point that the Minister makes, that this part is just about regulations; however, the crux of the bill is actually in regulations, which is, firstly, odd for a piece of legislation, given that so much detail wouldn\u2019t be in the body of the primary legislation, but is going to be in regulations. I draw the attention of the committee to 438A(1)(b), which is the \u201Cprescribing circumstances for the exception\u201D. I know that we have traversed potential exceptions that might be included in this bill, when we debated Part 1 of the bill; however, the fact that there\u2019s such a lack of detail as to what the exceptions will be is a cause for concern, and it is a cause for concern for this person who has written to me, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThey outline, also, the 20-working-day review deadline as absolutely unfair, and they say, \u201CThe bill requires clients to initiate a review decision within 20 working days. This time frame is inaccessible to many disabled people living with chronic pain, fatigue, executive dysfunction, trauma, neurological deficit, hospitalisation, or cognitive overload. It fails to account for illness-related time distortion, the difficulty of accessing GPs or support workers, and the need for rest during flareups.\u201D I won\u2019t read the detail of all of the other points that are made by this person, but the unclear review criteria\u2014and I just point to the point that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March made, as well\u2014and the lack of clarity around the detail that goes into this bill is causing a huge amount of concern, particularly for those in disability communities. I would just like to register that with the Minister, who is, of course, also the Minister for Disability Issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EThe question that I have is in the Schedule. I request some clarity from the Minister, because, in reading this, it seems to me that there is retrospectivity in this. Clause\u00A0105, in Part 11 inserted into Schedule 1 of the Act, by the Schedule of the bill, and, really, clause\u00A0106 as well, both go to outline the fact that the first statutory review date for specified benefit granted and commences before the commencement date. So my reading of the two clauses here seems to be that if a benefit is granted before the date of commencement of this piece of legislation, the mandatory review will then have to take place 52 weeks from when that benefit was granted. So, presumably, if someone is granted a specified benefit now, and the bill comes into effect, in, I think it\u2019s\u2014what?\u2014March 2026, from memory, does that mean that the 52 weeks\u2019 mandatory review period kicks in from now? I\u2019d like to ask the Minister how that\u2019s fair and what the consideration was that went into including retrospectivity into this bill. I think that all 105, 106, and 107 basically apply to that, and I would, as I\u2019ve said, like some clarity from the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00224a864a15782346528d7ead569ecfe29e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224a864a15782346528d7ead569ecfe29e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m just going to alert members that there is very little new material coming through. There\u2019s quite a lot of repetition and referring to the same clauses in the same part. So I\u2019m looking for new material, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022e3fe0c4017124eb0965eeffcc23d9022\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e3fe0c4017124eb0965eeffcc23d9022\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you so much, Madam Chair. I do think it\u2019s important to remind the Government members that we did not have a select committee session to unpack this bill adequately and it is important to note that in the regulations\u2014well, basically, what\u2019s found in the Schedule does actually have a lot of complexities, no matter what the Minister for Social Development and Employment may say that this is a simple bill; it\u2019s a massive expansion of automated decision-making. But one of the things that the Minister just said in answer to my question is she said that all circumstances that would normally be reviewed are a part of that. That makes me believe that relationship status therefore is considered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EWhat I wanted to ask the Minister, particularly around this, in relation to the answer she gave me, is whether she has accounted for any unintended costs that may arise as a result of the way that the Schedule is worded when it comes to additional pressures that the fraud investigation unit may face as a result of this? So I ask this because, for example, there was some analysis done by the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) in the bill that this is helping implement\u2014this is the accommodation supplement one\u2014around how there were, basically, additional costs that would likely be brought too by the nature of more people needing hardship assistance, etc. I\u2019m really concerned that because we only have the regulatory impact statement (RIS) and we don\u2019t have an analysis by MSD, we haven\u2019t gotten clarification as to whether there\u2019s any unintended potential costs arising to how the Schedule is worded.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI\u2019m particularly interested in the fraud investigation unit as to how it relates to the provisions in the regulations, because I can see that if, for example, MSD believes that someone\u2019s circumstances have changed\u2014or are incorrect, sorry\u2014and the beneficiary says they haven\u2019t, and MSD disputes that, an investigation could likely be started. I think this is important because often the people they are investigating are solo parents\u2014this is to do with their relationship status, as I\u2019ve pointed out earlier. But the Minister hasn\u2019t addressed the fact of potential unintended costs that may arise as a result of this, specifically the language and the really broad way that this is written. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThe other question I had is\u2014again, because she has just been giving us broad statements and not actually engaged with our questions in depth\u2014I just want to clarify whether, for example, changes in circumstances could be automated and decision making could now be given to the decision to evaluate or to, for example, confirm that the information that MSD holds in relationship to someone\u2019s disability is correct. I think that would be a really problematic thing for automated decision-making to be used for, because already disabled people are facing quite a lot of medicalisation in our welfare system. Because she\u2019s kind of just said, \u201CLook, any circumstances that could affect benefit eligibility are to be considered.\u201D because of the way that the Schedule is written. Am I to take this as someone\u2019s disability and health conditions being part of what automated decision-making could ascertain as to whether MSD holds that correct information? I think that\u2019s really concerning. So some clarity around both the relationship status and people\u2019s disabilities and medical conditions would be really valuable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EAnd if the Minister genuinely intends for automated decision-making to cover literally everything that could affect someone\u2019s benefit eligibility, as she just outlined in her previous answer, that tells me that the use of automated decision-making is going to be extremely broad. How will MSD, for example, ascertain\u2014as per the language in new Part 11 inserted into Schedule 1, section\u00A0105(2)(c)\u2014\u201Cconfirm whether the information MSD holds regarding the beneficiary\u2019s circumstances is correct.\u201D? How will MSD actually, for example, test that in relation to someone\u2019s health? Because we haven\u2019t seen the algorithm. We haven\u2019t seen the variables that come within the algorithm or the datasets that MSD is using. It\u2019s really hard for us to ascertain how automated decision-making will operate and the information that those people will be able to access.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EFinally, will clients be able to access the algorithm, if it changes, that is used to trigger these mandatory reviews? Because clients could access, for example, the files that MSD holds. Often you can request that. But if somebody is subjected to a mandatory review, will a person on the benefit be able to access the data that was used by automated decision-making to make these assessments? That\u2019s not something that\u2014this will, basically, I believe, be covered in the Schedule, but it\u2019s not really covered in the RIS. And because we didn\u2019t have robust analysis from MSD, due to the use of urgency and the lack of select committee, I am really concerned that there\u2019s no clarity about how a client will be able to ascertain that if they\u2019re challenged around the circumstances, how will then a client be able to\u2014[Time expired]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022 data-id=\u00223e5b457afc934e5daa23e84b893112af\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229188988b-e79b-4381-969a-982d0ebdb3ca\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e5b457afc934e5daa23e84b893112af\u0022\u003EPAULO GARCIA (National\u2014New Lynn):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00227f10d843afd24f9f9ac9667795474183\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00225c19072cbdff4e22a82e047cd9296939\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225c19072cbdff4e22a82e047cd9296939\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Camilla Belich\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A to insert new subsection\u00A0(3) requiring the Governor-General to consider hardship when making specified regulations be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224b647a02c52148dfb85bb24f51465681\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00222e67b927454c44d3a59cccbd98fbf7ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222e67b927454c44d3a59cccbd98fbf7ac\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Arena Williams\u2019 nine tabled amendments to clause\u00A06 inserting paragraphs (c) into new section\u00A0438A where those paragraphs begin with the words \u201Cgiving effect to\u201D, \u201Cto review\u201D, \u201Cto disregard\u201D, \u201Cconsidering the views of\u201D, and \u201Cdisallowing any provision of\u201D are out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A by replacing every instance of the word \u201Cbenefit\u201D with words beginning with \u201Cessential support in the form of the social safety net\u201D is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A by replacing \u201CGovernor-General may, by Order in Council\u201D with \u201CMinister in consultation with community advocates\u201D is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A by replacing the heading with words starting with \u201CBroad and unusual regulation-making powers\u201D is out of order as not being a serious amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A by deleting all of the words after \u201Cthe following purposes:\u201D is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A to replace every instance of the word \u201Cexception\u201D with \u201Ccompassionate consideration\u201D is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A to delete every instance of the word \u201Cmandatory\u201D is out of order as being contrary to the objects and principles of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A to replace paragraph (b) with a paragraph regarding a process for fair and just treatment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00220175724f26614b4ab234e67b0d83f3db\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022a803ed9bad1c40689fb0841045eafeb1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a803ed9bad1c40689fb0841045eafeb1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A by inserting paragraph (c) regarding prescribing mandatory considerations of compassion and fairness be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002246c9319250c74eaab0c506feb5038f1d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022a66e4fb624524cd88d2ada4e4129cbd7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a66e4fb624524cd88d2ada4e4129cbd7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A by inserting paragraph (c) regarding prescribing circumstances for the exception of beneficiaries be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00221c82bf3cf8ef4cf9a65b4706a9777521\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022c45378941956415a9cf7ed5ded571d4f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c45378941956415a9cf7ed5ded571d4f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A to insert subsection\u00A0(1A) requiring any regulations to be reviewed no later than four years is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A to insert subsection\u00A0(1A) providing that any new benefits or kinds of benefits may not be included in any regulations made under that section\u00A0be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002201c90c5453784e408af505fdc9b8704d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022af420a3030a245fc9a287a174dd7e61d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022af420a3030a245fc9a287a174dd7e61d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A to insert subsection\u00A0(1A) providing that any regulation shall not introduce new benefits is out of order as being the same in substance as the previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A(1)(a) by inserting the words \u201Cwhere that designation is fair and reasonable to beneficiaries\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022fc4e354780e3451fa0f85746de6e23bf\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00228b52e1ae25cc4ae2abb082f4fcb42243\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b52e1ae25cc4ae2abb082f4fcb42243\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A06 amending new section\u00A0438A(1)(b) by replacing \u201Ccircumstances\u201D with \u201Call of the compassionate considerations that should be given careful weighting by a natural person not AI\u201D be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022764394a52e944a02a6bf933c520c68ce\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022906262c4a89f40118ace4e833a376678\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022906262c4a89f40118ace4e833a376678\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 6 deleting new section\u00A0438A(1)(a) is out of order as being contrary to the principles and objects of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0438A(3), stating that \u201CNothing in the regulation-making power is intended to confer retrospective or retroactive effect or power.\u201D be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223ecbf113c39b45d88444bc6e1c48aaf0\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00224243cef018194ded837934e2084dada9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224243cef018194ded837934e2084dada9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0428A(3) stating that regulations made under the section\u00A0must not be retrospective or retroactive, or made if there is a chance of retrospectivity, is out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0428A(3) stating that regulations made under this section must not contravene any rights in the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act or the rights of any child be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022ca2bf20b762546f8bfaf04cd36eb1cca\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00222ac730d47e9f461fa67178f871ebacde\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222ac730d47e9f461fa67178f871ebacde\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0438A(3) providing for regulations to be fair and reasonable, not retrospective, and not matters of policy be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022961d775231aa489faed83fecd8a5defc\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022f2028bf72c20438fb5621e770af70b2f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f2028bf72c20438fb5621e770af70b2f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0438A(3) providing for regulations to not contravene the rights of disabled people, children, or vulnerable people be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002291e640b1e3b94beeb80f1511d247079a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00227565b68bc7f2448ca6e88e85d97e408a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227565b68bc7f2448ca6e88e85d97e408a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0438A(3) providing for regulations to not be retrospective and to be independently reviewed every five years be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022eabe18754b724926861027fca022822c\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u002245df36bb50ed44ec84efdf33c10ea1f5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002245df36bb50ed44ec84efdf33c10ea1f5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0438A(3) providing for regulations to not be unfair to beneficiaries or unjust overall be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022b67b85e7b2c141bb9950b7afd9b8315b\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00223d3d0bfbb81043ea9566bcae400b6b3a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223d3d0bfbb81043ea9566bcae400b6b3a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0438A(3) providing for regulations to not have the effect of materially worsening child poverty indicators or contravening the rights of any child be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226d1449feaf4a41ec8f8c8cb65436a1b3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00222d9b7ce369e84172b9f635e67a19d7b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d9b7ce369e84172b9f635e67a19d7b6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0438A(3) providing for regulations to not result in material hardship or a person losing an entitlement they previously had be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002240f1405e6b2b4e9ca50488d39a9b9b0a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea3fccea4ee1415a9f6c2cc8b68627b2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea3fccea4ee1415a9f6c2cc8b68627b2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 6 inserting new section\u00A0438A(3) providing for regulations to give effect to human rights and Te Tiriti o Waitangi be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002269775bdeeff7408c9c928a8dfda7fb51\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229f55d5cb183e4ab4950a973c3890cdd7\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Part 2 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022805c7efb538144939a34c51c8d1ccfaf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022805c7efb538144939a34c51c8d1ccfaf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We now come to the questions on the Schedule. The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending new clause 104 of Schedule 1 to replace the words \u201Cthe date on which the amendment Act comes into force\u201D with \u201Ca date determined by Order in Council\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022929d75d59e4d4ee68e3108bf6ef03711\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022c27c8fb1d4ec4b799586293b44e2c181\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c27c8fb1d4ec4b799586293b44e2c181\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending new clause 104 of Schedule 1 to replace the commencement date with \u201C2 March 2028\u201D is out of order as being contrary to the objects and principles of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EKahurangi Carter\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending new clause 104 of Schedule 1 to replace \u201Cthe date on which\u201D with \u201Cthe date after which\u201D is out of order as not providing sufficient certainty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule deleting clause\u00A0105 of Schedule 1 be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e572c2da98404e959e0e4d388ba52209\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd265bf89dfe450f835bb9fd0f9ce4b2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd265bf89dfe450f835bb9fd0f9ce4b2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending clause 105(1) to replace \u201Cbefore\u201D with \u201Cthe day of\u201D is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending clause 105(1)(b) to insert \u201Cor will commence within two weeks\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229f7901b4af4e4ab491cbf1d163f9d3b3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00223ed0d734c45741e8aa25048ccfac6da9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223ed0d734c45741e8aa25048ccfac6da9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Camilla Belich\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending clause 105(2) of Schedule 1 to insert the words \u201Cor a longer period if necessary to reduce undue hardship\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222124380d41ce4b138f622f6b87d938dd\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022327511e8330441b5a49d6a81eaf91bc8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022327511e8330441b5a49d6a81eaf91bc8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending clause 105(2) of Schedule 1 to replace \u201Cno later than\u201D with \u201Cno earlier than\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022541a7c93e7ac4116944567168548c106\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022283ef578c9d841739c15a2fc8b93b713\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022283ef578c9d841739c15a2fc8b93b713\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Benjamin Doyle\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending clause 105(2) of Schedule 1 to replace \u201Cmust\u201D with \u201Ccould\u201D be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223ef91b64c05e4de2bdd3ba5374059d63\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022a2609d7f97ce42f1a59b0ac93613b658\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a2609d7f97ce42f1a59b0ac93613b658\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending clause 105(2)(a) to replace \u201Cthe day on which\u201D with \u201Cthe day after which\u201D is out of order as not providing sufficient certainty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending clause 105(2)(c) to include the words \u201Cand received a response from the beneficiary\u201D be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022ea0479796a20468c9e55a3d389d09caf\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022fad1bdfd64b24cc9842c755fa86921ab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fad1bdfd64b24cc9842c755fa86921ab\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending clause 105(2) to insert paragraphs (d) and (e) is out of order as not being in the proper form of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe question is that Camilla Belich\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule amending clause 106(2) of Schedule 1 to insert the words \u201Cor a longer period if necessary to reduce undue hardship\u201D be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224ee456401e4e4dc48069ee70df617597\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00224c9fe681823f486eaefc34730cbb7622\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224c9fe681823f486eaefc34730cbb7622\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to the Schedule inserting new clause 108 into Schedule 1 relating to exemptions to mandatory reviews is out of order as more properly associated with another part, consideration of which has been completed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a7546ccb461342a5b99ac3fbd726d312\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Schedule be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESchedule agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a7eabb54465e463abc4533bc9e8caf92\u0022\u003EClauses 1 to 3\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022389b24b0a7c3485b8933155bbb5f6fcf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022389b24b0a7c3485b8933155bbb5f6fcf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we now come to our final debate. This is on clauses 1 to 3: \u201CTitle\u201D, \u201CCommencement\u201D, and \u201CPrincipal Act\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022a3db1f1b08094e0aabd76fe106ff58c0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a3db1f1b08094e0aabd76fe106ff58c0\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Chair, thank you very much. This is one of those bills that does not come into place, basically\u2014as in its Royal assent\u2014it\u2019s got a very specific date in March, and I did want to ask about the potential fiscal reasons as to why this may be. Because I note in the regulatory impact statement (RIS), we have a comment in paragraph 52 about the initial IT costs for implementing mandatory reviews being $5.3\u00A0million, and the fulltime-equivalent (FTE) costs being $7.5\u00A0million. Now, can I assume that there will not be ongoing IT costs in relationship to that? I think this is probably the best place to ask this question. But I wanted to ask as well about the staging of the building of, for example, any additional IT changes that need to be made, as well the hiring processes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EBecause basically, what we\u2019re expecting is that automatic decision-making will be set up and ready and broadened by March next year. And then, secondly, that everybody who would have been hired or moved to these roles, per the cost in the FTE section of the RIS, would have been hired and doing their work, and there would be probably no vacancies that would be left unfilled for quite some time. So I wanted to ask about, sort of, what is the staging implementation of this in terms of, particularly, any IT changes that need to come into place before March, and the level of confidence that the Ministry of Social Development (MSD) has given her. So this is not her confidence that I\u2019m asking for but MSD\u2019s level of confidence in being able to have these systems ready by the commencement date.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EI say this because, again, we have seen in other programmes that MSD has, for example\u2014the front lines are struggling and they\u2019re at overcapacity; they have said it themselves. So I wanted to ask about how she expects\u2014between passing this bill and the commencement date\u2014the staging of any IT changes that need to happen. I also wanted to ask whether she intends to notify the hundreds of thousands of people affected by this bill of the changes prior to the commencement date. When does she expect to send communications on these changes? And does she think that it would be responsible to let people know prior to 1 March\u2014basically, as soon as possible\u2014to give rolling notifications that this is coming up?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThe reason why I wanted to get certainty about the comms in relationship to this is because we know that there will be $230\u00A0million worth of savings and benefits or related expenses. People on the benefit stand to lose weekly income as a result of this bill. I do worry that without adequate communications, a lot of people could be caught off guard by these mandatory reviews. And as we discussed in Part 2, because of the really broad language in the Schedule, I think beneficiaries could use the time between now and March to, for example, change whether the circumstances that they have put forward to MSD are correct. I think, in some ways, to avoid people being overpaid and then slapped with debt, MSD could use the time to actually communicate to people what this expression of automatic decision-making could entail.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003ETo recap: I\u2019m interested to know, is there a staged implementation of the, for example, IT changes that are between now and the commencement date? Secondly, between now and the commencement date, will the Minister for Social Development and Employment expect MSD to send communications notifying people of these changes and an explanation of how automatic decision-making will work; and, if not, why not? And when does she expect communications to be sent out from MSD to clients directly around this?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003EThis is because, actually, there was no press release\u2014to my knowledge\u2014issued in relationship to this bill. And the Minister, I think, hasn\u2019t really made a lot of song and dance about this bill in the media, in any of her comms, so I don\u2019t expect the general public to learn about the provisions in this bill up until the commencement date, when then they will start finding out that these automatic decision-making - led reviews are starting to happen. I think they would benefit\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226943015a5d314c2995a807b72ab5fbc6\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211183598c6af41dcbe86bb6d07f09cda\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Louise Upston. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c938c98a0e94866b114a105c8f4e116\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: I haven\u2019t finished. Can she interrupt my call if I\u2019ve still got time left?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd8a07f323e14942be03cbc9f9cfafae\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002245bc48d33fde42bb9bad9d6e09be2581\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: I didn\u2019t think so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247d518792f26435888bf4de3e7513e62\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014my apologies. You\u2019ve got 18 seconds. My bad. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3b976576c3a48408162776ab989281e\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. In the last 10 seconds: staged implementation; communications, how frequent; and whether she thinks it\u2019s adequate to leave it until the commencement date. Thank you very much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00226ac67ec73e084914a0464205505a7f8e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ac67ec73e084914a0464205505a7f8e\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E This is the title and commencement. The title says what it is on the tin, which is the Social Security (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Bill. It comes in on 2 March, which allows sufficient time for\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259320d5faacc4e81a04ad2e7dc68160e\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, we know that. We\u2019re asking you questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268732290ef4740a99ebe4a227933b5fc\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: Do you want an answer or not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022 data-id=\u002201a3ff6edcbd4af59a9026fd8cab7c44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002201a3ff6edcbd4af59a9026fd8cab7c44\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to ask about, first of all, the commencement date, and I\u2019ll go back and ask about the title. My amendment on the commencement date is one that asks for a four-year extension. My logic in asking the Minister for Social Development and Employment to consider this is: this is a bill that goes to the heart of cost of living issues. We are dealing with a lot of people on accommodation supplement here who have never had this need before, and those are the very people who the bill\u2014one of the bill\u2019s intentions is to gather information about boarders, and to make sure that those people are no longer in a situation where they are getting the money that the boarder pays. They have to pay back quite a percentage of it; immediately, it gets deducted from their accommodation supplement. That\u2019s a big change for the very group of New Zealanders who are getting accommodation supplement, because they are not making ends meet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EWhat I can see economically is that we are not out of the woods by any means. We have a situation where those people, if they are renting, have absolutely no advantage in terms of interest rates coming down, because they just aren\u2019t in that market. They don\u2019t have that kind of comfort. What they are in is a situation of crisis, and so they have been able to have a boarder. And that is something that, actually, I pointed out, I can do myself. As someone who doesn\u2019t get an accommodation supplement, the law allows me to, if I can\u2019t make ends meet, get a boarder, and it is not something I have to declare. Now, the New Zealand law allows that to happen at a certain level. It says $213, I think, I\u2019m allowed to get before I declare it to Inland Revenue, and I\u2019m allowed several of those boarders before it gets declared as income. So I can do that as a citizen and I\u2019m allowed to, and the law and this Government lets me do it, because it\u2019s seen as good for me to be able to make ends meet. But people who have an accommodation supplement cannot do that under this law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EThis commencement date of people coming in for the mandatory review\u2014which was declared in the paper that we saw on the last bill before to be something that needed to happen to make that legislation work, because nobody knew who had boarders and who didn\u2019t\u2014would allow us to go out four years. This Government is saying it\u2019s going to fix everything, and the cost of living crisis is going to be addressed. Four years is enough time for either this Government to do it or for us to get into power and to start to do it and look at it, so why don\u2019t we change the commencement date into that four-year period? I genuinely mean it. Let\u2019s do this later. Let\u2019s make sure people can make ends meet in the next little while.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to ask the Minister about the title, and I\u2019m actually going to make a comment on several of the other titles here. There is a legal question in here that I\u2019d like the Minister to answer that\u2019s relevant to the title of the bill. What I see is some of the amendments that are made list all of the different benefits that this bill is capturing. They do that because it\u2019s considered a better and more appropriate title to have in it\u2014a title that reflects the benefits captured. But when I look at the bill, I have always been concerned that we have a list here of benefits that should be in, but those are only in the explanation. So my question is: does the explanation, which talks about it, include them, given that we\u2019ve only dealt with the benefits that are covered by saying that they are covered by regulation? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EIt says here\u2014and I\u2019ll go and I\u2019ll show the Minister where to look: if you look at page\u00A02 of the bill, you\u2019ll see it says here \u201CSpecified benefits that will be included for mandatory reviews are\u201D\u2014that\u2019s the ones that will be included. It says there they \u201Cwill be included\u201D, but it doesn\u2019t say that that is an exclusive list. In fact, it clearly can\u2019t be, given the regulatory power. But it\u2019s also not even that those are listed in the legislation. So if, in fact, these will be included, does that mean that they are actually reflective in the title\u2014are the people who have put in the amendments right and they\u2019re reflective of the title\u2014or, in fact, can the list grow, and can it shrink? Because it says they \u201Cwill be included\u201D and so I\u2019d like to know. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EMy legal question is really a clear one: if you\u2019ve got it in an explanatory note, you\u2019re saying it \u201Cwill be\u201D\u2014I take the Government on faith that that\u2019s what they want to do; it will be reflected in the Hansard that that is the intention\u2014what is the legal status of that when you\u2019ve got a regulation and you\u2019ve got no list in the actual bill? Are we tied to this explanation or not? Because I think it\u2019s necessary to reflect in the title what is actually going on here and what\u2019s captured, and I just have not been able to\u2014I simply do not know the answer to that question. I\u2019d like the Minister to tell me: is that right? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003ENow, the last point I want to make is this: I made a point to the Minister earlier about the risk for people who are under an accommodation supplement versus people, like me, who can have a boarder. Is it more appropriate for us to have a title which captures the fact we are creating a two-class society? Because that\u2019s what I think we\u2019re doing here. We\u2019re saying people who get an accommodation supplement, they must turn up every year to the offices because they\u2019re poorer than I am. People who get an accommodation supplement must not have a boarder, because they are poorer than I am. I can have one, we recognise it\u2019s a great idea, but, no, you can\u2019t have one if you\u2019ve got an accommodation supplement. So are we actually better to reflect in our title that, that we are creating a two-class society here? We have moved the goalposts. Two classes of society: one that receives any kind of help from the State, and the other that doesn\u2019t. Is that what we\u2019re doing here, and should we be reflecting that in our title today? I\u2019d like the Minister to answer those questions. Thank you for your time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u00220d6511fa2287491198ddef9cc71eb9df\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220d6511fa2287491198ddef9cc71eb9df\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. In terms of the way the benefit system works is that anyone who is receiving assistance has to already provide a change in circumstances. It\u2019s fascinating what the Opposition are trying to do in terms of filibustering a very, very straightforward bill that most New Zealanders would actually think there\u2019s already a mandatory review. And so, the title and commencement, this is a mandatory review\u2014as I said, most New Zealanders would expect it\u2019s already in place\u2014which comes into effect on 2 March; the IT systems will be in place. As with any change, people will be advised in advance; but as I said, other than that, in terms of the title and commencement, it\u2019s pretty straightforward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022 data-id=\u0022e05d2b63e4964968ab3c6e05d44a77cc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e05d2b63e4964968ab3c6e05d44a77cc\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate the Minister for Social Development and Employment\u2019s answers to that, although I don\u2019t really appreciate the disdain with which she is querying our genuine questions, given that we have not had a select committee stage for this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EI would like to pick up on some of the elements around the title, because the Minister herself referred to what the bill does, and she says it\u2019s \u201Csocial security mandatory reviews\u201D. I\u2019m wondering, in what I\u2019m hoping will be a backwards and forwards exchange with the Minister, whether she would consider some of my alternative titles which I offer very genuinely. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EThe first one is \u201CEntitlements (Checks) Act 2025\u201D. In my view, this would better reflect the fact that these are entitlements from people who have gone through a process that shows that they need the safety net of the State or they are able to actually claim an accommodation supplement due to their circumstances. So rather than vilifying the beneficiaries, just capturing the word \u201Centitlement\u201D to recalibrate what feels like a very heavy-handed bill, I think, would be good. Then, to counter that would be \u201C(Checks)\u201D, meaning that with an entitlement comes a responsibility, and so therefore both of those elements of entitlement and responsibility would be captured. I\u2019ll pause for a moment in case the Minister would like to respond; if not, I\u2019ve got a couple more titles.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EMy next title that I was hoping she would look at would be the \u201CSocial Security (Limit Discretion) Act\u201D. Again, I think this better captures what the purpose of the Act is, which is to really nullify any discretion that I can see that the Ministry of Social Development has in relation to people\u2019s entitlements. Not only are we going to an automated system, but the words \u201Cmay\u201D have been changed to \u201Cmust\u201D. There seems to be no wiggle room for there to be any kind of humanity in this Act where people can take into account circumstances. If we were to capture that in the title, then \u201C(Limit Discretion)\u201D or maybe even \u201C(Nullify Discretion)\u201D might be more accurate. I think that would better describe what this does \u201Con the tin\u201D, using the Minister\u2019s own words. I\u2019ll pause in case the Minister would like to respond.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EMy third one, given that she\u2019s rejected those two, would be the \u201CSocial Insecurity (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Act\u201D, because what this does do, as we have heard, is create huge insecurity for people who are captured by it. I\u2019d like particularly to reference seniors who have been used to putting forward their paperwork, understanding their entitlement, who get really thrown by having to go and review things year after year. It\u2019s incredibly stressful for them and it does make them feel terribly insecure. I think my colleague the Hon Damien O\u2019Connor spoke really eloquently about the impact it would have on seniors. And so I wonder if the Minister might better call this the \u201CSocial Insecurity (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Act\u201D. [Minister does not reply] She is not going to do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve only got two more. The next one is \u201CSocial Security (Yearly Review) Amendment Act\u201D, because I think \u201Cmandatory review\u201D, again, is so heavy-handed. It doesn\u2019t really describe and give people an idea of what their responsibility is. If we spell it out very clearly in the title, it\u2019s a yearly review and everybody knows what is required. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s as good as the previous ones that I have offered, yet perhaps the Minister would consider that, but she\u2019s not engaging with that one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296f5f6b7-c116-477e-88a9-ea17aa616886\u0022\u003EMy final one is the \u201CSocial Security (Automated Decision-Making) Amendment Act\u201D. Now that one, I think, is really good because this shows the huge change that this Act is bringing in, which is around automating systems and only providing exemptions and provisos when the automated system comes down, which we have just been discussing in Schedule 2. So, you know, this really negates the human discretion, negates the human element, creates a huge amount of work. But then it\u2019s odd: \u201CWe won\u2019t worry about staffing; we\u2019ll just bring in all these automated systems and they\u2019ll do it.\u201D, even though it\u2019s going to cost something like $13\u00A0million by the time you get the equipment and the staffing resource set up. I mean, what a fundamental waste of money. But that would be a title that I think would really capture what this does and would make it very clear to the public that this is the kind of governance that this National Party Government want to bring in. Because they don\u2019t trust beneficiaries, they like to beneficiary bash, and there\u2019s no humanity in what they\u2019re doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022ce7fd785b13046aab704785e069b9eab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ce7fd785b13046aab704785e069b9eab\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going take a call from the Hon Willie Jackson, but I do want to note that this is \u201CTitle\u201D and \u201CCommencement\u201D. I feel like there are some fairly fair questions on commencement and preparation and readiness that haven\u2019t yet been answered, but I will take a call from the Hon Willie Jackson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022 data-id=\u002260e5b1ee260947aaa7ddc80667791c96\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002260e5b1ee260947aaa7ddc80667791c96\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I just wanted to add to the titles. I thought the member Ingrid Leary was right on a real roll there, and she had some really fascinating titles for the Minister for Social Development and Employment to respond to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022664c08d8b40f48038f5fb03f25aa690a\u0022\u003EJoseph Mooney\u003C/span\u003E: Fascinating titles!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022333edba04a8945138c6b49483ccab2b4\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve got another one here that I\u2019m sure Joseph Mooney would\u2014and it\u2019s an amendment, Madam Chair, that you\u2019ll see. It\u2019s to amend clause 1 from the Social Security (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Act, to \u201CThis Act is the Social Security (Make Life Harder for Beneficiaries for No Reason) Amendment Act.\u201D That\u2019s just following in line with Ingrid Leary over here. I would have thought the Minister would be very interested in that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ENow, I think there have been some really good questions through the process\u2014and this is not about filibustering or anything like that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c455457ac5a4d4c88766994c6f649b6\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d73764c331a4e51890561a96a129082\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: I take that type of allegation personally. But we say this because, as we keep saying, the impact on beneficiaries has been huge.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EOne of the constant questions that has been asked throughout this debate is the effect on M\u0101ori particularly\u2014that the Minister has not responded to, really, at all. We\u2019ve talked about M\u0101ori strategy. We\u2019ve talked about consultation with iwi. We\u2019ve talked about consultation with pan-tribal organisations. We\u2019ve asked constantly, \u201CWhere does the Government stand in that area?\u201D And we have not had adequate responses from the Minister in this area. That\u2019s why this type of amendment is being put up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003ENo one wants solo mums and kids and homeless people on the street. That\u2019s why we need to have a clause that is reflecting what is going on here. I think it\u2019s an appropriate clause. Recently, just a few days ago, myself and my college Kieran McAnulty were in Rotorua, and people were expressing firsthand to us their reservations over this type of legislation, and also the effects that it\u2019s having on the street in terms of homelessness. We continue with this type of legislation and we\u2019ll see the effects firsthand. More people are homeless in Rotorua than there has ever been.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc09443c6f8e4e5db97e5df7fd85b0fb\u0022\u003EJoseph Mooney\u003C/span\u003E: Is this a general debate speech?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267ef6b3f98d847fa820b5ec6aed1aff0\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: No, it\u2019s not a general debate; this is totally in relation to this amendment bill that\u2019s been put up, because the vulnerable, Mr Mooney, are suffering. So we want to know how the Minister would explain how she is going to ensure that the vulnerable are being looked after. We haven\u2019t had adequate explanations on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5f9b0612699428fa100a6cef01bdc90\u0022\u003EJoseph Mooney\u003C/span\u003E: By getting a proper assessment of their entitlements.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241f287c474ae4cefa19fcb43c8c607a0\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no, it\u2019s not a proper assessment. The problem with this is it is just too punitive, so we need a title to reflect the harshness and the ruthlessness of this Government\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4331b437e0a4e659b984a4a1a9e14e5\u0022\u003EJoseph Mooney\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s actually an assessment of sanctions, under this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acab6c8b67784b04ba64da8dd2a6f8bd\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014at this time, Mr Mooney. It\u2019s already been said that sanctions are not the way to go. It\u2019s already been proven. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022240e07ec65fa4edfb63379e2005452aa\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: The word is there. \u201CSanctions\u201D is in there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b710907c1a25429d8846feb130686ca5\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: We need to have titles that reflect that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fffd96244dfc43febc2bfe235a4c1597\u0022\u003EJoseph Mooney\u003C/span\u003E: I had a good look at that, Rachel; it doesn\u2019t bring in sanctions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224282b9f08ccb4ae5b9cc6de34dfe35cf\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: One of the things we need to do, Mr Mooney, is we need the Ministry of Social Development to identity\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022775f3c04988d40099167e96dff662673\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m trying to hear the member that\u2019s speaking, and I\u2019m hearing first names being shouted across the Chamber. We use two names in here. I\u2019m not growling at the speaker; I\u2019m growling at the people that are shouting across the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271306eb5470d4816a7863a3805114812\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. It\u2019s shocking\u2014shocking\u2014behaviour from the other side! Shocking behaviour, interrupting me as I\u2019m speaking. All I\u2019m trying to do is offer the Minister a reasonable way forward in terms of a change of title which would appropriately describe the situation at the moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003EAs I said earlier, this Act is the \u201CSocial Security (Make Life Harder for Beneficiaries for No Reason) Amendment Act\u201D\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e53e8b38613c4927b1d8a1d4def00f26\u0022\u003EJoseph Mooney\u003C/span\u003E: Completely out of order. As an experienced member, he knows that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f317ee7d-f040-44ec-8f2f-ad0a9f206d75\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3697609cbfa4978a9c998c30319344b\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: It is an appropriate title, Mr Mooney, given what\u2019s happening with beneficiaries, given the response of our communities who are saying they have not had enough consultation on this, who are saying this is too punitive, who are saying that they want opportunities, who are saying they want a strategy with regards to employment, with regards to M\u0101ori, with regards to housing. We would like the Minister to respond to these very reasonable proposals that have been put up from this side, with regards to the title, with regards to the change of date, with regards to the Schedule. I think it is a very appropriate response from this side of the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022 data-id=\u0022d33295e9db2743a5a111aaefa237f1ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d33295e9db2743a5a111aaefa237f1ae\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E As I said before, in answer to the question around IT systems: yes, they will be well in place by 2 March in terms of commencement. The date is also clear in terms of changes to the accommodation supplement legislation that was passed last week that was signalled in Budget \u201924, so there\u2019s been plenty of time and plenty of warning. There is already a requirement that people provide a change of their circumstances to the Ministry of Social Development, and this just makes a mandatory review every 52 weeks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a68928ea-9dd8-4a30-8e2c-a0f49dfc8bea\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not going to cover things and answer questions that are outside the title and commencement. I\u2019m sure the members can come up with all sorts of names about things that have got nothing to do with this bill, but it is very straightforward. As I said before, as with any change, clients are notified in advance, and this commencement date allows sufficient time for that to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022 data-id=\u00222c21747e746b4353938f39984f3478f9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222170b5bd-171f-4d9f-bfa6-cab72178f108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c21747e746b4353938f39984f3478f9\u0022\u003EJOSEPH MOONEY (National\u2014Southland):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022b77350975b43450187559fe477c6eb5a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227def2b375b574b639480fe2f47cfc1e6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227def2b375b574b639480fe2f47cfc1e6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the title with \u201CSocial Security (Yearly Review) Amendment Act\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022888f759d863c4b008721da30546be93a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002232def630e8324e9d89f41dac6a5993c7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232def630e8324e9d89f41dac6a5993c7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Rachel Boyack\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the title with \u201CSocial Security (Regular Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Act 2025\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225db77da4cdc9479f9e79fd2ce89803f4\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e2d486ea8c5843459ec3d7044b2a3c09\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e2d486ea8c5843459ec3d7044b2a3c09\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Rachel Boyack\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the title with \u201CSocial Security (Annual Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Act 2025\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224e170c95f86141fbab357eddae296629\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022cba48188f87845c48a95a21ae4909531\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cba48188f87845c48a95a21ae4909531\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the title with \u201CAntisocial (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Act\u201D is out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the title with \u201CSocial Insecurity Act 2025\u201D is out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe Hon Willie Jackson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the title with \u201CSocial Security (Make Life Harder For Beneficiaries For No Reason) Amendment Act 2025\u201D is out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe question is that Steve Abel\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with \u201CIncreasing Checks on Benefit Entitlements and Other Matters\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226096051cc2e04bab9510312a5254e6ae\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002285f1aa8a05244176966b427ac0ae5eac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002285f1aa8a05244176966b427ac0ae5eac\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Benjamin Doyle\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with \u201CAdditional Yearly Review of Benefit Entitlements and Other Matters\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e3090ce197144189bc6cf54837b3a240\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002278d2e31e25674497bd87c4949afaf927\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002278d2e31e25674497bd87c4949afaf927\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with \u201CExtending the Use of Automated Decision Making and Other Matters\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022cd6118cbe87a4dfca18afa9903551877\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022c6a6b2e35dc84ebea8c427bebd953c35\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c6a6b2e35dc84ebea8c427bebd953c35\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 deleting \u201CMandatory Review\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002205d2dbae574e4208b0f886907f549dfa\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00224448250409154077ad133a800b2648a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224448250409154077ad133a800b2648a8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Scott Willis\u2019 tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with \u201CAdditional Measures to Address Inaccuracies in Benefit Entitlements and Other Matters\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002253bde0e5657d4917b9d5aec9297fa3e2\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d12fb7f1cab5432a8090e139ca8c9d08\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d12fb7f1cab5432a8090e139ca8c9d08\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Kahurangi Carter\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with \u201CUsing Automated Decision Making to Review Benefit Entitlements and Other Matters\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229e77e3479d084d7596ec148f293c3543\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e4deb28f915045e285657cc7a2e2fdc5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e4deb28f915045e285657cc7a2e2fdc5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Julie Anne Genter\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing the \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with words starting with \u201CMandatory Reviews of Supporting Living Payments\u201D be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002259c229a7fed64605833a224650b9c64d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022453a42a22222464bb25b6f1866de66cf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022453a42a22222464bb25b6f1866de66cf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Tamatha Paul\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with words starting with \u201CMandatory Reviews of Supporting Living Payments\u201D is out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with \u201CMeasures to Implement the Social Assistance Legislation (Accommodation Supplement and Income-related Rent) Amendment Bill and Other Matters\u201D is out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EFrancisco Hernandez\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with words starting with \u201CExpansion of Automated Decision Making from Child Support\u201D is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with \u201CMore Blue Tapes\u201D is out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A01 replacing \u201CMandatory Review\u201D with \u201CMandatory Money Management Making Measures\u201D is out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022594e9ada85c448619af8bfea43d523ea\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause\u00A01 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause\u00A01 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00229baaf2488f664086bced38aa2cb5c05b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229baaf2488f664086bced38aa2cb5c05b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A02 replacing \u201C2026\u201D with \u201C2027\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002293b54019d0da4c0d895ef0f8da14e8d5\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002205ea80784aa143b08e08f63a7579e4c0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205ea80784aa143b08e08f63a7579e4c0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Helen White\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A02 providing for the Act to come into force on 1 January 2030 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003ERachel Boyack\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A02 providing for the Act to come into force on 1 April 2026 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe Hon Priyanca Radhakrishnan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A02 providing for the Act to come into force on 1 July 2026 is out of order as it is inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EKahurangi Carter\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A02 providing for the Act to come into force two years after Royal assent is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A02 providing for the Act to come into force on 2 March 2027 or by a date set by Order in Council is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EBenjamin Doyle\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A02 providing for the Act to come into force on 2\u00A0March 2028 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a1faad76794a4d50903b7905285f6f08\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause\u00A02 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause\u00A02 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224921de2bf2604c0cbf222a5c8f890ab4\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause\u00A03 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause\u00A03 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000738\u0022\u003EBill to be reported without amendment.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002237ed204b1f0c49adac3c0c363ee07c70\u0022\u003EInvest New Zealand Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229a2ecaf3f267483bb3d5e1df03b2fd3a\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002201d2dd2164e54c09b8643b567f9cb45a\u0022\u003EPart 1  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000742\u0022\u003EPreliminary provisions\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002271c3b0b3e8124b68bd708f94c57bb47c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002271c3b0b3e8124b68bd708f94c57bb47c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we now turn to the Invest New Zealand Bill. We begin with the debate on Part 1. Part 1 is the debate on clauses 3 to 6\u2014\u201CPreliminary provisions\u201D\u2014and Schedule 1. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022 data-id=\u00228a5bf7170d0d4117baf69702b9841871\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228a5bf7170d0d4117baf69702b9841871\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to start with clause\u00A03, \u201CPurpose\u201D. I think that\u2019s a very good place to start. I think the big question is: why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s get down to the more specific questions around this because, while we are having this committee stage after the first and second reading, it must be noted that, like other bills under urgency, we did not go through a select committee stage and we are essentially creating an entirely new Crown entity without public input. I know that lots of people would like to ask a lot of questions around the purpose part, but I want some clarifications from the Minister for Trade and Investment to start with on why do we think that this particular investment is needed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003ENow, I refer to the regulatory impact statement that does talk about the various options that have been considered or are on the cards as part of the process. But what we are not seeing is specifically why we need to have an entirely new entity, and why we are creating something and calling it a one-stop shop when we have a number of one-stop shops already\u2014New Zealand Trade and Enterprise (NZTE) being a really good example. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EIn terms of some of the comments that have been suggested in the regulatory impact statement, I\u2019m going to limit it for the time being to look at some of the agencies that have been consulted. I think as part of the wider question in terms of how this came about, my next question is around the fact that what we saw is that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) was requested to consult, but they have not provided that data, as we see in the drafting of the regulatory impact statement. So my next question is: what advice has the Minister received, then, from MFAT around this new Crown entity?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EMy final question for the Minister is on further looking at a list of the four agencies consulted, understanding that some of them, a lot of these, were consulted, one that I think has a direct link to this idea of foreign investment etc.\u2014which I thought would be on that list, unless the Minister could elucidate that they are under another ministry\u2014is Immigration New Zealand. Immigration New Zealand was not on the list of consulted agencies, and neither is Education New Zealand. This is interesting because Education New Zealand is the premier and principal agency that we use to promote Aotearoa New Zealand globally, from the perspective of international education. It essentially functions like NZTE but for international education. That was also an agency that was not consulted in this new Crown entity that is supposed to be a one-stop shop for attracting investment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003EA number of questions: the first one is how did this come about? Why have we decided to create an entirely new agency? What is the difference between this one-stop shop and the mini one-stop shop we already have in terms of agencies? What is the advice the Minister has received from MFAT? It is missing from the regulatory impact statement. Finally, why were Immigration New Zealand and Education New Zealand not consulted, in the full list of consulted agencies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022 data-id=\u0022512e9cfeef9d49d7bda87dcc99e8a3b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022512e9cfeef9d49d7bda87dcc99e8a3b4\u0022\u003EHon Dr DEBORAH RUSSELL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019m looking forward to having quite a good conversation about the overall policy here, and, as my colleague Dr Xu-Nan has said, it is appropriately located, when we discussed it in clause\u00A03. We do actually need to have quite a good discussion about the general policy here, sitting in under the \u201CPurpose\u201D statement, because this bill was introduced under urgency in the Budget, went immediately through its first and second readings, and this is, in fact, the only opportunity we have to look at the overall policy\u2014and it\u2019s a pretty significant one. This is, as Dr Xu-Nan has said, setting up an entirely new investment agency. Their money has been, according to the regulatory impact statement, reprioritised from within other budgets, so there are some questions there about whether that\u2019s an appropriate reprioritisation of money. I think there is some extra coming from New Zealand Trade and Enterprise (NZTE) itself, some is coming from Callaghan. There\u2019s some pretty strong impacts on those entities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003EDr Xu-Nan has asked a number of \u201CWhy?\u201D questions, but I think there\u2019s another very important one to ask, and that is, given that this policy has been tried once before and failed, why has it been revived? Why has it been tried again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000752\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003ENow, it\u2019s interesting because I don\u2019t see any discussion in the regulatory impact statement or in the legislative statement or in the departmental disclosure statement. Now, it might well be that it\u2019s there, but we haven\u2019t really had the chance to look at it. What I haven\u2019t seen is any consideration of the history here, of what has gone on previously in this space of creating Crown entities that were there in order to promote foreign investment into New Zealand\u2014what I\u2019m referring to is, of course, the old entity that was called Investment New Zealand. It existed, it was quite a long time ago, and was sort of within the NZTE family, but it was a separate entity called Investment New Zealand. But it was a long time ago, and I was quite occupied with small children at the time, so I don\u2019t think I particularly noticed, but at that time, in 2003, I\u2019m told that Investment New Zealand was folded into NZTE, and its functions were folded into New Zealand Trade and Enterprise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003EThe interesting thing is, in considering the establishment of a new Crown entity, I can find nowhere in the regulatory impact statement, or elsewhere, an analysis of what happened with Investment New Zealand: of what it did, of the reasons why it was thought to be unsuccessful and was then folded into NZTE, and what this new entity is doing that guards against the problems that were found with Investment New Zealand way back at the start of the century.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003ENow I know it\u2019s a long time ago, but there will be institutional memory within New Zealand Trade and Enterprise that will remember Investment New Zealand. In fact, my own knowledge of it\u2014given that I was occupied with small children in 2003\u2014was from someone I know who happened to work at New Zealand Trade and Enterprise at the time and let me know about it. This person no longer works there and has not for quite some time now, but there must be some institutional memory of Investment New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003EI want to know from the Minister for Trade and Investment why his officials haven\u2019t given us at least some background on Investment New Zealand, haven\u2019t given us some understanding of what that entity did, haven\u2019t given us at least some understanding of how what that entity did or didn\u2019t do led to it being folded into NZTE, and as to why the current Minister is so confident that this new entity Invest New Zealand will have a different fate from the old Investment New Zealand. What is it doing that is different?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000756\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212d74f81-b1f7-4b51-9fb4-8f9481477192\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to see an analysis from the Minister as to the differences with Investment New Zealand and, I suppose, some of the thinking behind why the Minister thinks that this new entity will be successful when the old entity wasn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022 data-id=\u0022d0f0ecaf9f98477597a1cb0f6dcb0119\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000757\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d0f0ecaf9f98477597a1cb0f6dcb0119\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u2019CONNOR (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. This, as my colleagues have said, is a piece of legislation brought in under urgency, and the Government has failed to push it through as quickly as they would have liked. There are many questions around, firstly, the reason for rushing this through. Then, of course, now that we have a little bit more time, we can ask the why of what this bill achieves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EWe\u2019re talking about Part 1 and \u201CThe purpose of the Bill is to establish Invest New Zealand to promote increased overseas investment into New Zealand\u201D. There are some amendments that we\u2019ll talk about as we go through this. I think the question of whether, firstly, all investment is beneficial to New Zealand, I think that\u2019s a\u2014and maybe the Minister for Trade and Investment can get up and explain it. If you go to the RIS\u2014the regulatory impact statement\u2014it makes some assertions around that. But it also qualifies that the benefits could, in fact, not be realised because there are not sufficient safeguards to the investment or qualifications around infrastructure, around capability within the economy\u2014things that are needed to supplement the investment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EThe purpose of the Act, it says here: \u201Cto provide for Invest New Zealand\u2019s objective, functions, and operation.\u201D Indeed, it just seems to bring investment into the country, which is a very, very simplistic approach to what we are told is a growth agenda. I want to know who will be the people who may benefit from that growth and if the Minister has had advice in that area. Because, you know, there will be the people who obtain the money; they\u2019ll be clipping the ticket somewhere\u2014the people who bring it into the country might be clipping the tickets. And then it will come into some company or some entity or, indeed, some land. I suspect that if this is to bring investment into land, that will just further drive up land values. So what\u2019s the benefit of that in itself? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EAs a farmer\u2014and I know and I expect that the Chair we have at the moment understands this full well, that, actually, higher-value land doesn\u2019t create anything; it just adds a debt burden to someone who has to run the business on the land. And if the purpose of this bill is to bring investment in to drive growth, as the RIS says is possible\u2014we accept that could be possible. Then if the only thing it does in one sector\u2014say, agriculture or housing\u2014is to simply drive up the value of the land and add cost to the business on the land, then the net benefit of that may be very, very little.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003ESo the Minister can, perhaps, take a call and explain how the purpose of this new entity\u2014that is that it\u2019s different from what is currently undertaken and by New Zealand Trade and Enterprise\u2014will give us any net benefit to our country and to the New Zealanders who live here. This could just bring money. Money in itself doesn\u2019t create any additional productivity; it doesn\u2019t even guarantee any additional profit. It does enable opportunity for those who trade the money or those who might have a job to go and find the money or to spend the money, but ultimately that can just add cost and add a burden to what we, I think, all accept is an objective for us, to try and improve the economy, to ensure the benefits of that better economy are shared across New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003ESo the Minister can maybe answer\u2014there are just a few questions in there. It looks as though she\u2019s keen to get up and answer them, and I look forward to those, because there are many, many\u2014even in Part 1 here\u2014questions that we have of the Government as to why it\u2019s going to spend a considerable\u2014I think up to $54\u00A0million a year, when it\u2019s up and running, to basically have a real-estate agency, I say, to go out and sell New Zealand for the benefit of going and finding the money. So who\u2019s going to do the selling? Who\u2019s going to do the buying? What\u2019s the net benefit of that? That relates to the purpose\u2014which is clause\u00A03, right at the start\u2014before we\u2019ve got into any of the other provisions in this bill. This is a very, very important bill that goes to the sovereignty of our country, and I hope the Minister takes a call to answer some of those.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002293272d4e-6912-4148-8b35-c9622e18b814\u0022 data-id=\u0022b6c8c20096ba4970a58b3eda4ff4d65a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002293272d4e-6912-4148-8b35-c9622e18b814\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b6c8c20096ba4970a58b3eda4ff4d65a\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA GRIGG (Acting Minister for Trade and Investment):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019ll wrap a few of those questions all together to answer them. It seems that the thrust of the questions coming from the Opposition are around \u201CWhy the need for a new stand-alone agency?\u201D Well, look, the Government believes that by creating this new stand-alone agency that is mandated, that is charged with a singular focus of attracting inward investment that\u2019s able to promote New Zealand as what we view as an ideal and very attractive investment destination\u2014that the single mandate of this agency is to support foreign investors who are interested in coming here and investing in our country and in our businesses. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002293272d4e-6912-4148-8b35-c9622e18b814\u0022\u003EOf course, it will differ from the existing New Zealand Trade and Enterprise (NZTE), of which I, very proudly, am a former employee. NZTE, as members will know, has a dual mandate, and that means that it is playing multiple roles, and indeed I saw it myself in my years there. But its main thrust is to support the exporters and to get businesses up and running\u2014\u201Cbigger, better, faster\u201D was the tag line when I worked there. The dual mandate of it is to attract some inward investment, but that part of the agency is by no means its primary focus. We believe that having Invest New Zealand as a singular autonomous Crown entity will provide that long-term stability and, indeed, send a very strong signal to the international market.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002293272d4e-6912-4148-8b35-c9622e18b814\u0022\u003EHence, to answer the questions around urgency and why this entity is being stood up so quickly, it is that we do already have investors interested in New Zealand and in our businesses, and they need to know where these investible opportunities are, and, indeed, how to navigate the regulatory environment that we have here. There were questions around agencies that have been consulted on and agencies that have helped shape this, like Immigration New Zealand, like the Overseas Investment Office, like Education New Zealand. We believe it\u2019s very important that we are working with urgency, because we have to move quickly to stand up this agency and give it that mandate to attract inward investment and provide support to prospective investors. We believe it\u2019s actually a really simple, straightforward piece of legislation. It\u2019s non-controversial. We are passing this legislation under urgency\u2014and, I would say, unapologetically.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002293272d4e-6912-4148-8b35-c9622e18b814\u0022\u003EThis Government was elected with the mandate of rebuilding this economy. As former Prime Minister John Key has always said, \u201CWe\u2019re not going to get rich selling to ourselves.\u201D I think everyone in this Chamber has to be a bit realistic about that. The economy is contracted to the extent where we do need foreign capital, and we invite foreign capital. Therefore, we are going to pass this under urgency. I very much look forward to continuing to talk to the virtues of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002266de981922dd48a8aeaa1440ca7c3bbc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000767\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002266de981922dd48a8aeaa1440ca7c3bbc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time has come for me to report progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000768\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EProgress to be reported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000769\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000770\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022765876f37df041eaaddf9fa915c1c16a\u0022\u003EReport of Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002236450ad5039c4c06903c8d79f35c0aba\u0022\u003EReport of Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00220732bafe8f434a8d962b3dac9ae4da31\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000771\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220732bafe8f434a8d962b3dac9ae4da31\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker, the committee has further considered the Social Security (Mandatory Reviews) Amendment Bill and reports it without amendment. The committee also considered the Invest New Zealand Bill and reports that it has made progress on the bill. The committee has considered the Rates Rebate Amendment Bill and reports that it has made no progress on the bill. I move, That the report be adopted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000773\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000775\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022172bbc8d334b44089f4c6c19567e603d\u0022\u003EAmended Answers to Oral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000776\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002296825310daf9411aa4c18edb0ee0418a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8 to Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022 data-id=\u00224af3424870504addae3bb97b1147323a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000777\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224af3424870504addae3bb97b1147323a\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Madam Speaker. I seek leave to make a personal explanation to correct a statement made in question time today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022df29c9562c5a4aebb94ba2561479d684\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000778\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022df29c9562c5a4aebb94ba2561479d684\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that. Is there any objection? There appears to be none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000779\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ee649aea-c6fa-4610-9fcf-5c4bb2d3cd33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3f11eb91868439ebcbf4b8737020787\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Health, I stated that the Government has put a record amount of funding into health: $16.68\u00A0billion over three years. I should have said that record investment is over three Budgets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022f668e5cab3ee4614a2bba6e58296214f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000780\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f668e5cab3ee4614a2bba6e58296214f\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The House stands adjourned until 2\u00A0p.m. tomorrow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id202506034ca8e77246df489681b59ed13ed41654000781\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 9.58\u00A0p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"