"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b33dce8bbb5046a2b067cb7ffd4f8c52\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 12 AUGUST 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d6217bd118ce4d87bd76a1c270dc5188\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 12 AUGUST 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000002\u0022\u003EThe Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229869330526ea4fbbb88a1a73d3fa948e\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224f349405cd464aeca6ecefefa876a26b\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00222a983f555b104cd4a83bb2a837c273b5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a983f555b104cd4a83bb2a837c273b5\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER (Deputy Speaker):\u003C/span\u003E Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King, and pray for guidance in our deliberations, that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility for the welfare and peace of New Zealand. Amen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022df06d296ec434527a68cc0750b4f02b4\u0022\u003EPetitions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d21cba50c5dd4ddc8b680134afaa024d\u0022\u003EPetitions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u00225a749b41aaaf45b195f0034badc5b8ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225a749b41aaaf45b195f0034badc5b8ac\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Two petitions have been delivered to the Clerk for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u002274f34d27721b4790b8e50f1410cf6364\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002274f34d27721b4790b8e50f1410cf6364\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EPetition of Bianka Atlas requesting that the House pass legislation prohibiting the import and sale of foie gras\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Epetition of Bob Robertson requesting that the House require licensed premises to display drink prices, serving sizes, and alcohol content. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u002266b7e11e6f2d434dbb7b66b649ebe8e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002266b7e11e6f2d434dbb7b66b649ebe8e7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Those petitions stand referred to the Petitions Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002270f54920f61a4e4f81c4e8542e3b752d\u0022\u003EPoints of Order\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022560447ceb055459aa8dee0186ccabe05\u0022\u003EMatter of Privilege\u2014Update on Speaker\u2019s Response\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022 data-id=\u00226f90a37cb9a6415abe302ae3ba9f1fbd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226f90a37cb9a6415abe302ae3ba9f1fbd\u0022\u003EDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order. Mr Speaker, I\u2019d like to lodge a complaint seeking referral of a matter to the Privileges Committee on 3 June. 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Seven select committee reports have been delivered for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022d13409f4cef14606ad1f3e28903b3ea1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d13409f4cef14606ad1f3e28903b3ea1\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EReport of the Environment Committee on the petition of Kevin Moran\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EReports of the Petitions Committee on the:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EPetition of Bronda Smith\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EPetition of Laura Ancell, and the\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EPetition of Tanya Dunstan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EReports of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee on the:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EPublic Works (Critical Infrastructure) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EReview briefing on the 2023/24 annual review of Genesis Energy Limited\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EReview briefing on the 2023/24 annual review of Mercury NZ Limited.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u00225f0e7219c5394afc8ff14def64244247\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225f0e7219c5394afc8ff14def64244247\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The bill is set down for second reading and the review briefings are set down for consideration. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022720ae7c8069c4c26b37c6a129bffe1b7\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002258debb8ada98466fb68ca0eaab7c9824\u0022\u003EGovernment To Consider Recognition of Palestinian State\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022bc560441bbaf40af8059ea38f9a80e26\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bc560441bbaf40af8059ea38f9a80e26\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Members, I\u2019ve received a letter from the Hon Peeni Henare seeking to debate, under Standing Order 399, the Government\u2019s announcement that it will consider recognising a State of Palestine. This is a particular case of recent occurrence for which there is ministerial responsibility. Not every Government announcement warrants an urgent debate, particularly where the decision may be some time away. However, this matter is of sufficient importance to warrant the immediate attention of the House. Following oral questions, I will call on the Hon Peeni Henare to move that the House take note of a matter of urgent public importance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022218b74b6eff64352880fc50437a44212\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223e8174abe8e64bcc8800163822b1a56f\u0022\u003EFederal Bureau of Investigation\u2014Opening of Office in New Zealand\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab1117e0f7e34b92af21c6657cdc5598\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab1117e0f7e34b92af21c6657cdc5598\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve also received a letter from Teanau Tuiono seeking to debate, under Standing Order 399, the opening of an FBI office in New Zealand. This is also a particular case of recent occurrence for which there is ministerial responsibility. There can only be one urgent debate on any sitting day. Standing Order 401 requires me to give priority to the matter that, in my opinion, is the most urgent and important, and I have done so. That does not prevent the member from submitting an application on another day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002275726a7fb6344ba1b524845c1b9eb102\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223073f7f627dd4f8f955b7e8c7295d4b4\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022688e4434cb2448f68d3e67b29e7eefff\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022 data-id=\u00229c5ed2fc934442ddaadb16810c6f2dba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229c5ed2fc934442ddaadb16810c6f2dba\u0022\u003ECAMERON BREWER (National\u2014Upper Harbour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What recent reports has she seen on the economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0fa6f4a6f9c481cbe4b9f98d70f3f4f\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Audition No. 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd31cb1078bf45a99a0bad4a02dc1196\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd31cb1078bf45a99a0bad4a02dc1196\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Acting Minister of Finance)\u003C/span\u003E: Are you not letting Kieran have a question today?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022709b91404514479a8f53ed76095bc006\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no, hang on\u2014hang on. Don\u2019t start out that way. We\u2019ll start again, all nice and calm.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b2ecbdb6e494dfe897fc8c68f803b1b\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, last week Treasury released its long-term insights briefing, which highlights the dangers of excessive Government spending. The report explores the role of fiscal policy in economic shocks and crises, including the way Government finances were used during and after COVID-19. The COVID-19 response cost New Zealanders $66\u00A0billion, or 20.4 percent of GDP. By way of comparison, this is twice the cost of the Canterbury earthquakes as a proportion of GDP, which cost around $23 billion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c9a7b0c463f423b92a8f55fc0018716\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: How did the COVID-19 response impact Crown debt? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287ad048790ac457c84721ee569c5211d\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, non-urgent COVID spending, including spending on measures that were not tied to COVID, was a key driver of structural deficits in the years after 2021. COVID-19 spending sent net core Crown debt on an aggressive upwards path. From financial year 2015 to 2019, net core Crown debt was relatively flat, but from 2019 to 2023, net core Crown debt increased by 169 percent, to over $155 billion. Treasury notes in the long-term fiscal insights report that \u201CAs the economy recovered in the second half of 2020 and into 2021, [it] advised shifting towards more targeted support and recommended against further stimulus from Budget 2022 onwards.\u201D However, only 30 percent of funding allocated to the COVID-19 response was spent in the 2019-20 year; in fact, 36 percent\u2014roughly, a third\u2014occurred after June 2021, including when inflation hit 7.3 percent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022149cddf2c3de40e0a337bf7555b2201e\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary. How did\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6706fa60d2c4644ac9f13d320f229c3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This will be a concise question with a concise answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e3508583f0645b3841ba9b9169aa63e\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: How did New Zealand\u2019s fiscal response to COVID-19 compare with those of other developed countries?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022caf1a39e037e46d69259a8c9b0283fe0\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, on behalf of the Minister of Finance, the Treasury report finds that the overall scale of our discretionary fiscal response was one of the largest amongst advanced economies. The report does not suggest that spending when crises or shocks occur is bad; it does, however, make the point that we should interrogate the scale and the quality of the spending. There were numerous programmes and initiatives not tied to the shock that had a lagged impact on the economy and proved difficult to unwind later\u2014for example, increases to benefits, the Jobs for Nature programme, and so-called shovel-ready projects, some of which are only starting now. It\u2019s a very, very diplomatic way of saying that we are still paying the price for a big-spending approach that diverted wildly from a pandemic response.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002289809535-e289-43e8-ad08-668cf3046ffb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d12709194de047adab32c76b7b18e237\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: What are the key insights and lessons from the report?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022888d423ac9f84ef597d28de8a3e35026\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, the lesson from the mishandling of the COVID response is that while there are times when Governments have to increase spending in response to major events\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260ea18029e614bd59d32c51256d62ec5\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. Thank you, sir. We have not raised a point of order up to now because everything has been absolutely compliant with what\u2019s required in Speakers\u2019 rulings and the Standing Orders, but as soon as a Minister is, basically, asked to provide his opinion on what the lessons are, we\u2019re straying into the exact territory which you have warned the Government not to do, and the Minister\u2019s description of the COVID response in that answer is in breach of what you\u2019ve guided him not to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de7ee61d7c264e128b8f0e87b7ba5e27\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, can I just say that I didn\u2019t quite hear that part because there was somebody waving their arms up in the broadcasting box and I thought there was some sort of a thing going on that we should be aware of, but apparently not. Minister, you\u2019ve just heard the concerns. They are concerns that I\u2019ve outlined before. Please keep your answer within the bounds of that previous ruling.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022924624e2651a4419a822300b93253167\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, the lesson I take from the COVID response is that there are times when Governments have to increase spending in response to major events, but it is really important that the fiscal guardrails are restored as soon as possible. It\u2019s easy to turn the money tap on but harder to turn it off. It is imperative, I believe, that we return to surplus and get debt down as soon as possible after an event, because the reality is that New Zealanders will face other emergencies, and we need to start saving for them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5fde66e822d4a65beebb902c1af17e9\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: In what ways and how do New Zealanders pay for a fiscal blowout of the type that he\u2019s described?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0d1a8740bb6441b8e60f7bc34613c91\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019d refer the member to the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update (PREFU) from 2023, issued just before the change of Government in 2023, which indicated increased debt, increased unemployment coming into the future, inflation, and a very difficult economic environment that would persist for the next few years. That is precisely what has transpired. Fortunately\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6d274c8aacc478f83fe1aa4373dda48\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister needs to take some responsibility\u2014still playing the blame game. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a487e15274d34847acc3b2addac9eb59\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s literally your own report\u2014the fiscal settings left by that member. It\u2019s her own Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update, for which she now seems to bear no responsibility for, whatsoever. Actually, unemployment is now lower than was forecast in the PREFU in December 2023. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b79bd8bb5afb4d2f8ca5da30204f09ff\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022 data-id=\u0022af38fbf5c331418480573e69dab44100\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022af38fbf5c331418480573e69dab44100\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u00227cc679e0f8294c82bc3d8ae536e6e68f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227cc679e0f8294c82bc3d8ae536e6e68f\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cda85efb16814191b053ece2e3901691\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264c76a03e8814a26b5a97cd03dfbc678\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve got to ask this question again: how do we carry on from this point, where a questioner says, \u201CDo you stand by all the Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u201D, and the answer is \u201CYes.\u201D? What more can there be? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c5a7b67fdc34a609800166f75a7efed\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: I was asking a supplementary. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b061a1d48394e349903f887b44c77eb\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, I know. But what supplementaries can you have to that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c10a0e3c1313408cbbb1f497eec11a85\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if you hold your breath, you\u2019ll find out! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe88d5a22e534cb7ab2191a69494dcd0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, give it a go, but we\u2019ve got four primary questions today that ask the same thing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b61a98a00d7452b8d50c715e6a63fdb\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he stand by Nicola Willis\u2019 statement that people who have lost their jobs \u201Cshouldn\u2019t take it personally\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229be914ecd8204f24b4c7752f99c7ef5b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That was very skilful\u2014well done. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e25cfcf3b1974e53a162997794863089\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: As that member knows, if you looked at the finance Minister\u2019s comments in full, the reality is that the previous Government spent $66 billion and made the cost of living crisis worse for low and middle income working New Zealanders. That is the legacy of the Government that he led, and that\u2019s the context of the comment that she made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229262a4169679441083c67f56553fea8e\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: So why doesn\u2019t he think people who have lost their jobs should take it personally?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229184e8b58c9143a3b1d555d788ca0bbd\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I think people having lost their jobs is an incredibly sad thing. The reason it\u2019s happened is because of his administration, because he actually didn\u2019t run the economy well, and when you don\u2019t run the economy well, you end up causing pain and suffering for low and middle income New Zealanders; and that\u2019s exactly what he did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229cf79935246e4b53aba22cbc0f131676\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept that for people losing their jobs it\u2019s one of the most life-changing things that can happen to them, and that his Minister of Finance accusing those concerned about job losses of \u201Cglass half-empty [thinking]\u201D just rubs salt into the wound?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ba275a0e9f147d6bc803f8b9cf1da25\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I fully agree: losing a job causes a lot of distraught-ness for lots of people who lose their jobs. It\u2019s incredibly sad, it\u2019s a terrible tragedy, and I wish that that member would take some responsibility for causing it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282f5206a91c145f6a290e6bee446c340\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Does he still believe the economy is \u201Cturning the corner\u201D, when every day, 76 New Zealanders lose their jobs and 340 Kiwis give up and leave the country because his Government is making things worse, not better?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f8d44bbd7f24ab7b99b64de66391803\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019ll just say to the member that the context for the situation that we\u2019re managing with the economy is that it is tough times for New Zealand\u2014it\u2019s been a very difficult time. We\u2019ve had the biggest recession we\u2019ve had since the early 1990s. We\u2019ve had a post-COVID hangover, as you\u2019ve just heard from the Treasury report of last week, that his Government made worse, driving up inflation and interest rates, putting the economy into recession, and people now losing their jobs. You\u2019ve seen good growth at the back end of last year, you\u2019ve seen good growth at the beginning of this year, and since April, there has been a loss of confidence and sentiment around the world and in New Zealand as a function of the tariff announcements. This is a Government that is doing everything it can to drive economic growth, and we\u2019ll continue to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e4e3d06b4314087b3dec54c22c90e5c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249c6e8ed649d41e3a5b3aa1dbfa53b4b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just before the member starts: rare and reasonable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ccef7bdc2d44e6c943d506f2beec731\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his decision to pause, delay, or cancel construction projects\u2014decisions that have actively made things worse and put 18,000 construction workers out of work since he became Prime Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed66ab43f41b4d3986b3e8fa5a48506f\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019d just say to the member, who I think we should start calling \u201CThe Sixty-six Billion Dollar Man\u201D\u2014because when I grew up as a kid, there was a show called The Six Million Dollar Man, and this member is the \u201CSixty-six Billion Dollar Man\u201D; it\u2019s the way to think about it. But we have got $206 billion worth of infrastructure pipeline. This is a Government that has announced $6 billion worth of infrastructure projects, with people on the end of the shovels before Christmas. If the member cared deeply about construction jobs, why doesn\u2019t he reverse his decision on fast track?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e87bd0f6fcd84757a74f8f3d9b19b4a3\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: If things are so much better under his Government, why were there seven times as many State houses under construction in 2023 compared to today; and six out of 10 construction firms who were previously building State houses have now exited the market?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217d8c283580745928df30a4f4f7a2423\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019ll say to the member that we have gone through a period of time\u2014caused by his previous Government\u2014that has actually put the New Zealand economy into recession. His actions drove up interest rates and caused huge devastation on the construction sector. They can\u2019t borrow money when interest rates are high for development and new projects. But this is a Government committed to doing more building of classrooms across the schools. This is a Government committed to doing more roads of national significance. If the member really cared about it, get in behind, support fast track and Resource Management Act reform.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233d2ab1932ed4498bbebbfe096c7fc7a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Has he found a single family who has received the full $250\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c38be42590e4f36a8a6914c78cb1002\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry. Someone was speaking then, while the question was being asked. That person may well want to put their head down, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4abc5e75de3404590f87294287a33e2\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m very sorry, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022045319254cb54bf092cf169a4de69c72\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I beg your pardon; I haven\u2019t asked you to be\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002285ec30d4-6394-433a-a12e-2c4def705dd0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b6ead984ab04db893f390c4913b3153\u0022\u003EHon Judith Collins\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise. I was talking to my colleague, and I\u2019m very sorry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286e20b81580d4032b51f62acb743b787\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Right. Well, then your apology is sort of accepted, but don\u2019t make a habit of it. When everyone is quiet, the Rt Hon Chris Hipkins.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c418e9f73ed4d15b4034ac7788ac93a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Has he found a single family that has received the full $250 extra a fortnight that he promised them during the election campaign?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262730f7439c94db6bc7673ac27b293f8\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve spoken to many families up and down this country who so greatly appreciate the tax relief that this Government provided. Not an ideological concept\u2014lifting tax thresholds\u2014but, again, he failed to support it. I\u2019ve also spoken to many families who are very grateful for our FamilyBoost, helping offset expensive early childcare costs. Again, a simple process\u2014encourage everybody to get on myIR and get it done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c794aa9fc8ff4ba681b34c65ab5c94e0\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. It was a relatively straightforward question as to whether he\u2019s been able to identify a single family that\u2019s received the $250 a fortnight that he promised them. I think anybody listening objectively to that would have no idea what his answer to it was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f13a1c35171c4dc58e249ffafa5f2f0f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I certainly don\u2019t, because there was a lot of noise coming from my left that prevented me from hearing it, so I can\u2019t make a judgment on it. But you have, I think, made your point. Do you have another supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225399c929a34d47dbbbb7e8ebb27fd571\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b5735eeea94643f78beb915f24cb8960\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022 data-id=\u0022f336e62e56c34225aadffe5dff2745b5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f336e62e56c34225aadffe5dff2745b5\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: E tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E[Does he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022ca066853570a4ff2907320f328b3dedb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ca066853570a4ff2907320f328b3dedb\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223649b9e771474a3398113abe140b41ce\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the Minister of Foreign Affairs that \u201CThere are a broad range of strongly held views within our Government\u201D, and, if so, who in the Government is opposing recognising Palestinian statehood?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d221ff849484d32b53ff56f8c2c7759\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: There are a broad range and strongly held views across the whole of our society and across the whole of New Zealand, and, as you would expect, across this Chamber there will be a variance of views as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c30e8ad33f464886b2462453c9c97044\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: What is the harm, if any, of recognising Palestinian statehood?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6b211e23a284f9683b504b143c10c86\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s been a longstanding position of successive New Zealand Governments since 1947 to recognise the creation of a State for Israel and a State of Palestine where two peoples can live together in peace and security. That has been a longstanding position of the New Zealand Governments of different political parties. The issue is that we need to, as we\u2019ve said, as you\u2019ve heard the Foreign Minister say, and it\u2019s been a longstanding position\u2014it\u2019s a matter of when, not if. But the immediate challenge for the situation in the Middle East is, of course, Hamas must release hostages. As a terrorist organisation, they must release those hostages. Secondly, Israel must allow unfettered humanitarian access into what is an absolute catastrophe, and there must be a ceasefire and diplomacy and dialogue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c57c688c76a4473fbe55e399dd04a129\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware that Israeli hostages have been offered back multiple times and Israel currently holds approximately 10,000 Palestinian prisoners?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cdba68697ab144488edecf5170225b2d\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I\u2019m not going to respond to that question. That\u2019s not what I\u2019ve been briefed on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220085e47fcfba457c92ec7bfc12f3fbc0\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eab3c2da9fa34265852e0da520f99ab2\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: A point of order is heard in silence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002283ec76e7cef34fa8a5fbe39c3747a7b4\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m just seeking your guidance when the Prime Minister refuses to answer a question which seeks to tease out the logic that he is using with regard to Government decision making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ef8cb90918749928f86addd14f6b5c8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I don\u2019t think that\u2019s reasonable. The Prime Minister said he wasn\u2019t prepared to answer it because it wasn\u2019t within the scope of the briefing that he\u2019s received.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5c6e2ef91f14a6e9e217b41eb712d74\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware, then, of our obligations under the genocide convention, and, if so, what are they?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d166f995286940d787e5b4b0a0762420\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, and what I\u2019d say to the member is I would be very careful throwing terms like \u201Cgenocide\u201D around. It\u2019s very important that the right bodies, that we support under the international rules-based system\u2014the International Court of Justice and the International Criminal Court are those closest and are the appropriate bodies which we fully support to make those determinations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b6ee6d0703e4d5b9399cbe400e87da2\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister finally willing to say that Israel\u2019s slaughter and starvation of Palestinians in Gaza is a genocide, and, if not, what does he know that Holocaust and genocide scholars don\u2019t?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e89f2aa6ce39409ab5c9ebd3a476f631\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. Standing Orders\u2014I think it\u2019s about 390\u2014are very clear that a questioner must not make arguments or argumentations in asking a question that are not necessary to make it intelligible. This questioner is making a series of assertions in order to convey information rather than seek it by asking a question. A question like that, according to Standing Orders, should be ruled out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d053389f0881416599be01f3c11bf6a1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Had the member not been so quick off his feet, it probably would have happened\u2014and it is now happening. Have another go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7ce02e222724bb7968122370e5cb39b\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: What does the Prime Minister know that Holocaust and genocide scholars apparently do not when they call what is currently occurring in Gaza a \u201Cgenocide\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c514ad7939b84720857119fadd238ba6\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, what I know is that there\u2019s a humanitarian catastrophe happening in the Middle East. What I know is that we want to see peace and stability and security reign in the Middle East, and, for that to happen, Hamas must release hostages immediately. What happened on 7 October from a terrorist organisation inflicting 1,200 deaths on innocent civilians was unacceptable. We are also saying, clearly\u2014and we\u2019ve done it through a number of calls with other countries as well\u2014that we want Israel to give unfettered humanitarian access. We do not want more military action. We need to make sure that we actually see diplomacy and dialogue reign in the Middle East.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220950b38f51e345e1b62cf07ac05ec420\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. Mr Speaker, I draw your attention to the member who has just resumed her seat, which is adorned with a Palestinian scarf, and I invite you to consider what this House might look like if everybody who had an interest in a global conflict started adorning their seats with symbols of one side or the other of a conflict. I think that would bring the House into disrepute, and no member should be allowed to do such a thing, particularly when you yourself have forbidden members from wearing tiny pins on their lapels. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd1f5c79ded84cfea941622c822cdf6e\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Simon Court\u2019s currently removing his.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a5a3bb4617a4ed28fb646c378b52e36\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014excuse me. No, I think you make a very good point, actually. I think I\u2019ve been willing to accept that if people were wearing something that did not particularly\u2014oh, here we go. Good. OK, well, stay warm. We\u2019ll move on now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222b051fc631b44db38625c8eb9b9700ec\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022 data-id=\u0022faf5a51062d84899ad65086d57b90d76\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022faf5a51062d84899ad65086d57b90d76\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: What announcements has she made regarding NCEA?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022 data-id=\u00226ddfed370faa49d39efc768ff4f0b953\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ddfed370faa49d39efc768ff4f0b953\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Last week, I announced a proposal to replace NCEA with a new national secondary qualification. This includes: replacing NCEA level 1 with a foundational skills award; replacing NCEA 2 and 3 with the New Zealand Certificate of Education and the New Zealand Advanced Certificate of Education; requiring students to pass at least four subjects to attain each certificate; returning to clear marks out of 100, with grades like A, B, or\u00A0C; being ambitious for our kids\u2014unlike some members of this House\u2014and the creation of new coherent subjects and standards, to support strong vocational education. New assessments will be based internationally benchmarked and consistent national curriculum. Until now, no Government has been bold enough to take decisive action, but we are\u2014so our kids get the very best chance to succeed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224596c44415ce4dbc8116828a56b90191\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: Why is she proposing\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cee2c10ef4a042e782b23e4ecf0ff5e7\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, just hang on. Just wait until the House has sort of settled itself. All right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213c928e96d53466a8cb64c9d2266763a\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Why is she proposing these changes? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ab86af82f0e4ef19c6ff124a3205543\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The warning lights have been flashing for some time. There are clear issues with the design and implementation of NCEA, which is overly flexible, difficult for parents and employers to understand, and the lack of consistency leaves too much to chance. For example, last year in new level 1 mathematics, only 11 percent of students were assessed against all four standards\u2014the whole curriculum. More than 250,000 exam papers were left blank, students are more than twice as likely to get an Excellence grade if it\u2019s marked internally rather than externally, and 60 percent of teachers don\u2019t believe that the new NCEA is a reliable measure of student knowledge and skill. Doing nothing in the face of all this is not an option. We have to strengthen the system, and our proposals are designed to do just that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa1f6590d37d412b8f2cfb2546d00f8c\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: What will these proposed changes mean for parents? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a8683b85b2e468c978dda3c396ca0db\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: My message to parents is this: like you, we are ambitious for your children; they deserve a world-leading education system, and we are delivering that. Our proposals mean that the very best parts of NCEA will stay\u2014things like a combination of internal and external exams, flexibility to do both vocational and general subjects, and special assessment conditions for those students with additional needs\u2014while other aspects will be improved and delivered on: assessment against an internationally benchmarked curriculum, clear grades out of 100, and stronger attainment requirements like passing at least four subjects to gain a qualification. We want there to be more coherence, more consistency, and more clarity of what students know and can do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229634e377-7e76-4353-9662-fb444eb2ec9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a986363a88245d9800b6c3716060fa0\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: What feedback has she received from parents? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022275c91f8-c6b8-42fd-b3ab-d8fc000dd41f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad27fa4bc57348e5b1a3cac4fd4890eb\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it has been overwhelmingly positive. One parent reached out to say, \u201CGreat job on the new education policy. I\u2019ve got one kid about to enter NCEA, and I\u2019m very glad my youngest will miss it and enter in through the new way. Keep up the great work.\u201D Another parent reached out to say she was delighted to see the proposal. But my favourite comment was one simply saying: \u201CWoo hoo! Fantastic policy. Woo hoo! Let\u2019s go.\u201D This Government is ambitious about the future success of our young people, and I look forward to working across the House to ensure that we secure enduring success of this proposal. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228ea674b945174bd2908638426a110f22\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Economic Growth\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u0022541d2441c01e4f6aa5c57efe5d9842ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022541d2441c01e4f6aa5c57efe5d9842ef\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Economic Growth: Does she agree with the Minister of Finance, who said about the additional 16,000 people unemployed that they \u201Cshouldn\u2019t take it personally\u201D; if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022896e495ee6f545d0881a45053226883b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022896e495ee6f545d0881a45053226883b\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Acting Minister for Economic Growth)\u003C/span\u003E: I agree with the full quote made by the Minister of Finance, which was that \u201Cit is an incredibly tough experience. They shouldn\u2019t take it personally, because what they are often the victims of is an economy that was mismanaged, where inflation and interest rates were out of control, and where many businesses have retrenched.\u201D It is absolutely the case that the economy was mismanaged by the previous Government, with inflation and interest rates out of control, and we are still recovering from that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211caf7ecdd134e8d9d54c9ad22109cc0\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: How is it not\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273c0af5fe57b4589a00c27f3cedf947b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just wait. Everyone needs to calm down a bit. When questions are being asked, they\u2019re asked in silence, and nothing that you\u2019d be saying to anybody else in the House matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ae16a35458e4da29f7478ee1a92a96d\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: How is it not personal that 16,000 people have lost their jobs under National?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ccad837fc5946279deebaf5483cdc35\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: I would just direct the member to the full quote in the context in which I gave on the primary answer. She should\u2019ve listened.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a206c2e6c744363b04a224f5daf9266\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: If he truly cares about people\u2019s lives and livelihoods, why does he dismiss the thousands of people who have lost their jobs and can\u2019t pay their bills, as if their daily struggle doesn\u2019t matter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228ff79b6fbf44627879da6475fb2352a\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the good news is that the Budget forecasts a 240,000 increase in jobs over the next four years as growth starts returning to the economy, after years of mismanagement under the previous Government. At the end of the day, the Government\u2019s job is to implement good public policy and good fiscal policy and allow growth in the economy to return, generating jobs and higher living standards for New Zealanders. That\u2019s what the Budget forecasts will happen over the next four years, and we look forward to that continuing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002267ad142a64134f49a9443fdf2f06d2ff\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his statement that \u201CSome New Zealanders have got themselves into the habit of what I call glass half empty economics\u201D, and, if so, does he think that those people who lost their jobs should just cheer up?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3da29afa6b44ddf924b344b41d0ef68\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I do stand by that statement, and, no, I was referring to most members of the Opposition, including the shadow Minister of Finance, who said in a podcast a couple of days ago, \u201CWe don\u2019t have to provide the solutions to issues,\u201D and \u201CIt\u2019s not my job to find the solutions.\u201D I do stand by those statements as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed62045e20c0403e9676d131de981480\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. Mr Speaker. I wonder whether you could clarify for us what the ministerial responsibility in the last part of that answer was?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3843ec3642c44848301c530f1716573\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if you go back to the supplementary that was asked, it was asked \u201Cwhat do they mean?\u201D and \u201Cwhat did they say?\u201D and \u201Cdoes it just mean cheer up?\u201D. The answer that was given, very clearly, stated why the statement was made in the first place. I don\u2019t think that\u2019s unreasonable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e76e9af3f55417fa29b67c0f0f994d4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Further point of order, Mr Speaker. How on earth is a statement by Barbara Edmonds, the finance spokesperson for the Labour Party, a matter of ministerial responsibility?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002297bba3adec8046df8c84bf8335020533\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the question was: \u201CDo they stick by the comment that those who are pessimistic are glass half empty?\u201D, and then it went on to ask if, in fact, it was the 16,000 people who have lost their jobs who should just cheer up. That was clarified, very clearly, by the Minister. I think you\u2019ve got to look to the supplementaries to work out how the answers might go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276def35a4cf3481e8d51c106e2998e51\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Minister, on the basis that all politics is local, has he got any examples of employers abusing their staff?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295d136ce518d427f860d5fd2c63cd59c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, how does that relate to the primary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cb8fc2ee4a14054945e9ab87f350bd4\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister can answer the question about its relativity. It\u2019s very obvious. We\u2019re talking about people over there who are claiming that employers are not looking after their workers\u2014or, in this case, blaming the Government. I\u2019m just making the connection of a local example.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf8b7a3092674e4680a6e12284436366\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think that\u2019s probably just where we might leave that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002283ea77b380254d36aa18ffb5d0848b3e\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Does he know what the unemployment rate would be if thousands of New Zealanders had stayed here and not left the country in search of jobs and higher wages?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c458cde620b349c49ab1de1a80d4bb5a\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not funny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223505f803fe3c448bb3ddeb86eed25bfd\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: No, it\u2019s not. Your mismanagement of the economy was not funny. It definitely was not funny, my friend.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c3a88c42-f60b-4cf9-8065-8bfb80a020eb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022febb3edf5af64364b79cfb98ca1c4ecf\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: Why were you laughing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229642c366d702462187173426eb5791ce\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m laughing because I know what the unemployment rate would have been if that member\u2019s party had been re-elected. The Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update said one thing, but New Zealanders know that if Grant Robertson had been allowed to recklessly spend his way through another three years, unemployment would be even higher than it is today, debt would be even higher, and we\u2019d be approaching 50 percent. If people think things are bad now, God only knows what it would have been under Grant Robertson\u2019s profligate reign of fiscal terror.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022464a6847f192454ca9b0b9cb640c676b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The House will calm itself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233cc3a85752b444786d34eeffb3c0438\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Can he see that telling people who lost their jobs not to \u201Ctake it personally\u201D and who are \u201Cglass half empty\u201D that it\u2019s just another kick in the guts for Kiwis whose lives are worse and not better under National?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eec5f84c75f24bd2bc09b3781f33180e\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: The member needs to cheer up. The Budget shows, over the next four years, over 200,000 new jobs will be created. There are billions of dollars of infrastructure investment coming down the pipe, including $6 billion between now and Christmas. Fast-track projects are being consented. In fact, there are due to be, between now and Christmas, over 10 fast-track projects\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b75e09db9db4ef486f84a321c85df00\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, that\u2019s just outrageous. Another one of those outbursts, and it\u2019s good afternoon to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227281c684d6ea44f08faf5ba9244664bb\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014potentially receiving consent. School property projects and a range of health projects are under way. No one is pretending that life in New Zealand is perfect, and no one is pretending that everything is rosy. But we are making progress. The key lesson is this: you\u2019ve got to stick to good public policy and good fiscal policy and stick to the economic plan. At least this Government has one. In the words of the shadow Minister of Finance\u2014or at least the current one in the Labour Party\u2014they don\u2019t have any policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022af77b1abb97f47188c1e9fa246977f05\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Building and Construction\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022 data-id=\u002283b8133ca7e7440ea99fb45bbcdbe4a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002283b8133ca7e7440ea99fb45bbcdbe4a8\u0022\u003EDr VANESSA WEENINK (National\u2014Banks Peninsula)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Building and Construction: What reports has he seen on the building and construction sector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u002242fad27a85764bd3b97542a918bce15c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002242fad27a85764bd3b97542a918bce15c\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E This week, Kennards Hire released its 2025 Construction Confidence Check survey and found that an overwhelming 93\u00A0percent of construction business leaders are confident in the industry\u2019s growth and performance over the next five years. Better still, more than half\u201452\u00A0percent, in fact\u2014are \u201Cvery confident\u201D that we will see strong growth in New Zealand\u2019s building industry. This Government is backing the building industry, and it\u2019s great to see that\u2014after reports that the industry activity had levelled out\u2014the vast majority of business leaders believe that we are now moving forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022636c1d37e49148979d2c95021a3714a5\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: What other findings did the survey make?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a66449d1b1e243cbb1a02d78055e77b9\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: The survey also highlights factors driving such surge in optimism among our building industry leaders. Around half\u201447\u00A0percent\u2014point to increased Government investment in infrastructure as a reason to feel that the future is brighter. They are also celebrating increased foreign investment and growth in regional infrastructure projects. These are all priorities for the Government, so it is that, for example, we are reforming the Overseas Investment Act to bring wealth into New Zealand, we are investing into our regions, and we\u2019ve committed to $6 billion worth of infrastructure projects before Christmas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203acfa82426e4511a08d6566581f4fbb\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: What common challenges face the industry, according to the survey?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7064c976ceb437db68ee0be3d89eb97\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: The survey highlights a couple of major challenges. One is a lack of quality and availability of building materials, and outdated equipment. This is exactly why the Government has introduced Investment Boost\u2014this helps tradies and other businesses to invest in the technology and tools that they need to grow by immediately allowing them to deduct 20 percent of the cost from the income tax due that year. We\u2019ve also changed the law to remove unjustifiable barriers, making it easier for Kiwis to access high-quality building products, increasing availability and innovation, boosting competition, and driving down prices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a45e52e7f72402bab70fab2c5124d30\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: What other recent data on the construction sector has the Minister seen?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d67f61b08f44f82a7446b4f264352ae\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Stats NZ data shows that for the year ending June 2025, nearly 34,000 new dwellings were consented. While the rise of 1 percent may seem small to some, it does mark the end of a downturn period that started several years ago. It represents hope, despite the hope on the benches opposite that the reverse were true. It\u2019s hope for the sector, hope for our housing supply, and commentators say that this data signals activity is stabilising and recovery is on the way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221101112372ab4ea5bc9257913993c63d\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: Was the report of the senior construction professional with 20 years\u2019 experience wrong when he said last month that what makes this construction downturn different is the absence of large-scale public investment because the Government has \u201Cjust pulled the [plug] on everything\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209d24de9a78747ed886c1530ee552b9b\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: That view isn\u2019t representative of the sector; but, more importantly, isn\u2019t representative of the facts. For example, as I\u2019ve stated previously\u2014and not just two minutes ago\u2014the Government has $6 billion worth of infrastructure projects that are lined up to commence before Christmas, and plenty more beyond that, as my colleague and friend the Hon Chris Bishop, and indeed the Prime Minister, have already outlined today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e867ac62b9b4442dac827dab12ca625e\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u0022395eaa21d1ea4725a5feba14290e9a46\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022395eaa21d1ea4725a5feba14290e9a46\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: Does he agree with Hon Dr Shane Reti when he said, \u201CI want to see IMPBs (iwi-M\u0101ori partnership boards) powered up to support the health outcomes for your wh\u0101nau and your communities\u201D; if so, what does that look like?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022 data-id=\u00224081320696dd4b0eab6704562f4e6bbc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224081320696dd4b0eab6704562f4e6bbc\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I agree with the Hon Dr Shane Reti, who was very clear that iwi-M\u0101ori partnership boards, IMPBs, should be providing advice on the health needs of M\u0101ori across the country and that they should not be commissioning agencies. That\u2019s why we\u2019re strengthening the Hauora M\u0101ori Advisory Committee and clarifying the role of iwi-M\u0101ori partnership boards. Local IMPBs will continue to engage with local M\u0101ori communities about their health needs, aspirations, and health outcomes and will provide that advice directly to the Hauora M\u0101ori Advisory Committee. That advice will then support decisions made by the Minister and the Health New Zealand Board. This is about putting patients back at the centre and ensuring the voices of M\u0101ori communities are clearly heard where they can make the most difference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284001955776341c3b1c274c3070826df\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. That was a question on notice, and whilst the second part was addressed, the first part certainly was not. It was a direct question asking if the Minister agreed with Dr Shane Reti and a direct quote. His response was that he agreed with two other things that Shane Reti had said. He did not address the question as to that direct quote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af4e1bb7aa2547b6b3ab6c3c5644dbca\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, perhaps, given that Ministers answer where they think it\u2019s in the public interest, that might have been what drove his answer, but I\u2019ll ask the Minister to say something again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022024221c4022a415f8588e0c7f4e53b04\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: As I said in the answer, the IMPBs\u2014as the Hon Dr Shane Reti said\u2014should be providing advice on the health needs of M\u0101ori communities but they should not be commissioning agencies, and we expect Health New Zealand to continue to work alongside IMPBs as part of the legislative changes, but I and the previous Minister have been very clear that IMPBs are not to be commissioning agencies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8ab66882b97489d9ab98b96fc71b32e\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. When a question is on notice and it is direct, as this one is, there is an expectation, as outlined in Speakers\u2019 Rulings, that a Minister addresses that. Now, it is a straightforward question whether they agree or not, and if he doesn\u2019t agree, he should explain why, as the question requests.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ea8d67398ce4028acc570594715edd9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, but I\u2019m not sure, in the answer, that he said he doesn\u2019t agree. I\u2019ve listened very carefully twice, and what he said is that both he and Dr Reti agree about what they should be doing. Now, if you want to have an argument about the term \u201Cpowered up\u201D, that\u2019s a different argument, but I don\u2019t think it negates the answer that\u2019s been given. You can have another supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fb0a1f12eee4dccbeff9c160fb9f4fd\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Can the Minister explain to the iwi-M\u0101ori partnership boards why he has made such a decision regarding the minimisation of their role after they have expressed extreme concern with the proposals led by this Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c723a8e5025646948d3f33b83a891ef3\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: The Government has been very clear that, as part of the legislative changes that are being made, we want to streamline the advice that the IMPBs are providing, we want to clarify their roles\u2014that they are not to be commissioning services; that is the role of Health New Zealand\u2014and we want to strengthen the role that the Hauora M\u0101ori Advisory Committee does play to provide advice both to the Minister and to the Health New Zealand Board.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd175f8aa8bb48af9e734a7fad71b3bf\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with Hingatu Thompson from Te Taura Ora o Waiariki iwi-M\u0101ori partnership board, who said, \u201CThere\u2019s no way New Zealand is going to achieve improvement to M\u0101ori health without having a plan\u201D, and, if so, will his plan include meaningful engagement with M\u0101ori on the matter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002210f02508265f404f90b0db78e6874dc5\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Our plan is to make sure that we are actually delivering better outcomes for all New Zealanders, including M\u0101ori, and I would just point out one of the facts that the Opposition doesn\u2019t like to talk about, and that is the immunisation rate for two-year-olds, which fell from 89\u00A0percent of M\u0101ori in 2017 when they came to office to 64.8 percent when they left. That is, ultimately, what drives better outcomes for M\u0101ori: actually getting better outcomes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acd74aef3ec14ed48e026ebbf090ac8e\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Does he agree with the Ministry of Health website, which states, \u201CAs a department of the public service, the Ministry of Health - Manat\u016B Hauora has a responsibility to contribute to the Crown meeting its obligations under Te Tiriti o Waitangi.\u201D, and, if so, how does minimising iwi-M\u0101ori partnership boards deliver on this commitment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4ee955d25eb475fbaaaaf9874227c9a\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Of course the Government, through its agencies, does have a role to ensure that it is delivering on Treaty settlements and making sure that it is doing that through relationships. However, we have been very clear that Health New Zealand, as a delivery agency, must be focused on delivering better services for all New Zealanders, including M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e02fe987a3784427bb90609c7e6a48cc\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Are the Hon Dr Shane Reti and Sir Mason Durie ONZ both wrong in their support for iwi-M\u0101ori partnership boards, and, if so, what makes the Minister so sure that he knows more about M\u0101ori health than the M\u0101ori health experts themselves?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc8c2dd5d76d4bbf894a4685394d9bc0\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: If the member was to read the bill before Parliament, the bill continues to have a role for iwi-M\u0101ori partnership boards. However, we want to make sure we are streamlining that function and focusing it on delivery for services\u2014something the previous Government forgot about, as evidenced by the appalling immunisation rate for two-year-old M\u0101oris. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252c80d9e6033426da19c14afd24de04f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Question number\u2014hang on, sorry. Do we, symbolically, have to ask someone to take an early shower, as it were?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00227de3a718ae65489bb4eca2154ee27711\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Rail\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd95f8d793f94b90a4052d7613c7c0d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd95f8d793f94b90a4052d7613c7c0d4\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Rail: What recent statements has he made regarding rail?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef7136c849ed4f5485e24745c951c974\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef7136c849ed4f5485e24745c951c974\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Minister for Rail):\u003C/span\u003E Yesterday, we launched the 2025 rail safety week alongside rail workers\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce4e392b258649dfba09e46398ae8a6b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Did you wear a hi-vis for that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022657e2370b0424af394bf9265bcf2e94a\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Unlike you, I didn\u2019t have to; people recognised me without having to wear fancy dress. As I was saying, before I was so rudely interrupted\u2014unionists, transport leaders, and the Matamata-Piako mayor Adrienne Wilcock, whose community suffered a rail track death just months ago. The campaign message for 2025 is \u201CStay off. Stay safe. Tracks are for trains\u201D. This serious message follows six deaths on the rail corridor this year alone. Trains weigh thousands of tonnes and can take a kilometre to come to a stop, so we are asking every member of this House to help get the message out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b35c84df2cdf44fca688bd97dc30bced\u0022\u003EJenny Marcroft\u003C/span\u003E: What next steps has the Minister recently outlined for the Marsden Point rail link?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228858688d278540988d2d5eb75c6a8235\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Last Tuesday, we announced that KiwiRail will make its Marsden Point rail link detailed designs available to builders and investors to assess and consider putting forward proposals. KiwiRail will have more to say about this process shortly. The new rail spur land is fully purchased, designated in the fast-track consents legislation, and covered under our coalition agreement. We have also outlined how Marsden Point can be the first energy export and special economic zone to create wealth right here in New Zealand, specialist jobs through a drydock, fuel security for our economy, and strong export connections.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002205970806a4184a49a855e1fbe7620f7c\u0022\u003EJenny Marcroft\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister attended any high-visibility events recently?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8f3addc440748c9ad42bea790ebc18d\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: Last Friday, we joined the City Rail Link test train. Aucklanders have wanted this project since the 1920s and have been paying since we signed the main works contract back in 2019. In 2019, we backed a $250 million allocation so that the new stations would be longer. If we had not done that, they would have reached full capacity within a decade. Next year, we look forward to the public and members of the Opposition after the election riding this train to their jobs in central Auckland.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022676b0bc5-331b-4818-b261-ecf892d0bf23\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276dcd74d32754365a2d8617a22db58d8\u0022\u003EJenny Marcroft\u003C/span\u003E: How is the rail ferry replacement programme tracking?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab50b381b90b459cbe6844f89e41a89f\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: More good news: extremely well. The Government\u2019s company Ferry Holdings Limited is still in the market engaging with commercial shipyards, and everything is tracking to time. We will purchase two new ferries to serve our passengers, roads, and rail, and deliver the no-nonsense infrastructure solution that was supposed to happen in 2020, when I last had that job. We look forward to detailing this programme once the commercial contracts are entered later this year. Those sitting across this Chamber will see that, with a bit of management, firm cost control, pragmatism, and common sense, good things can still happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222d8ed172988b4904aeba4efa3e7946b5\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Building and Construction\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022 data-id=\u002278bd137f0535420f9b81966873b092a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002278bd137f0535420f9b81966873b092a1\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Building and Construction: What announcements has the Government made about building and construction?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022 data-id=\u0022948bab9fbb5b4e5d8c3dfcab1aa1d988\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022948bab9fbb5b4e5d8c3dfcab1aa1d988\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Speaker, for this further opportunity to enlighten the Opposition. Last week, I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231e5ea2c1948402e9960c06a054014d4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Stop there\u2014stop there. For some reason, there\u2019s talk right across the House before the Minister even began to make a comment. There was also one question that the person suggesting it knows is inappropriate under Standing Orders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221dbd2811-8e58-4ffb-848d-31c0eaa9690a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228effb59eebbd4c5ba9c791dec54fd08e\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ve already heard this one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225621362e6a064b4f83b37a2c1562b404\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I haven\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f05414c58a744787b8c0f826e14e326d\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s all good, Mr Speaker. Further good news: last week, I was pleased to announce, alongside Deputy Prime Minister and regulations Minister David Seymour, that by the end of this year it will be easier for Kiwis to put a garden shed, sleepout, or garage on their property. We are changing the rules so that small buildings under 10 square meters will no longer need to be set back from the boundary, and the set-back for single-storey buildings between 10 and 30 square meters will be reduced to just 1 metre.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022716b202e1b2744078ff179c218622f19\u0022\u003ERima Nakhle\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the Government make this change?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220430da284ee14e8385b42894292a1103\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Previously, garden sheds and other single-storey detached buildings had to be set back from the boundary or residential buildings by at least their own height. Anything closer meant that the homeowner had to get a building consent. While well intentioned, these rules created a ridiculous situation, forcing Kiwis to see garden sheds awkwardly in the middle of their lawns, wrestle with unnecessary paperwork, or\u2014as has often, too, happened\u2014break the law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a1d5edab35346d2b115a341f02a57b5\u0022\u003ERima Nakhle\u003C/span\u003E: What feedback has the Government received on these changes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d10bfd3a5464d3eaac53a72826db094\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Well, apart from at question time today across the House, the feedback has been overwhelmingly positive. Everyday Kiwis and industry leaders alike have welcomed it. We know that in today\u2019s housing market, land sizes are typically smaller and building costs remain high. People want to use their property wisely, without unnecessary hassle. The New Zealand Property Investors Federation said, \u201CThis change will make it easier to add an extra bedroom, a new garage to keep cars safe, or a shed for tenants to store bikes, tools and other items. It will add value to an investment property and amenity for renters. It\u2019s a win-win.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e5425be35ac4fbea991e33e0c8dd3a0\u0022\u003ERima Nakhle\u003C/span\u003E: What does this change tell Kiwis about the Government\u2019s approach to building and construction?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022735c3af8361a4bd295b78f07b950b5b8\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: This is a perfect example of how the Government is scrapping burdensome regulations, big and small\u2014and small\u2014to make building in New Zealand easier and more affordable. We\u2019re relentlessly focused on building productivity, whether that means making it simpler to build sheds, sleepouts, grannies\u2014granny flats and garages; we\u2019re not building any grannies\u2014speeding up consenting and inspections, allowing trusted building professionals to sign off their own work, increasing competition to drive down building product prices, and investing in public infrastructure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e97faa43ec664f348c2ce7d9e9f15d9c\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: What does the Minister say to Alex and Christa Clarke of Onehunga, who reported the issue to the Ministry for Regulation\u2019s Red Tape Tipline and had the problem solved by him in a matter of months?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f96cdca1-b63c-4602-b2b3-276f58ebb518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022374a452d2002473d8c89fb214b13170b\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I would say to that patriotic Kiwi couple, who just want to be able to use the land that they own in an efficient way\u2014for example, to store their kids\u2019 equipment\u2014that I\u2019m grateful for their intervention; I\u2019m grateful for me getting in touch with the Government; I\u2019m grateful for them utilising the Red Tape Tipline, which is how the proposal came about; and I\u2019m also grateful to the Hon David Seymour for partnering as part of the Government\u2019s overall push to reduce unnecessary regulation and get a good, common-sense result for these Kiwi families.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225dafdb6a2b98475085e8a2f0c56b93a2\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Commerce and Consumer Affairs (Grocery Sector)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022 data-id=\u0022b1810119ddd741f494ea6eba4637d19c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b1810119ddd741f494ea6eba4637d19c\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS (Labour\u2014Manurewa)\u003C/span\u003E to the Acting Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs (Grocery Sector): Has the Government\u2019s focus changed since the Prime Minister said in December 2023 that it would have a \u201Claser focus on bringing down the cost of living\u201D; if not, is she confident that she has the Prime Minister\u2019s backing to bring down the cost of groceries?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00226cda82c105044cdeb6d78a360b28b21a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226cda82c105044cdeb6d78a360b28b21a\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Acting Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs (Grocery Sector): No, and yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002209c3635f1be94afa82da73ad9b91331a\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: When she said, \u201CPrices coming down is exactly what we want to see\u201D, has she done anything that has reduced prices?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022134730115fb8412ab94ca5b2a5ee7540\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Acting Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, the Minister has an extensive work programme under way\u2014some of which has been made public; some of which has not been\u2014and she is also aware of the hard work of her colleague the Minister responsible for RMA Reform and her colleague the Minister of Agriculture stripping red tape out of our growers and our farmers to make it easier for them to operate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022789e0f5a5dc14c009fe54fcb858c8701\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: Why did it take the Government until 30 March 2025\u2014a full 16 months since the election\u2014to make a request for information (RFI) about changes in the supermarket sector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc71d6bae4de49e6af1a0929f5da5e12\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Acting Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, the Government has had a busy work programme since the election, including in the groceries sector and the groceries portfolio, for want of a better phrase. The RFI has gone out, and the member will soon be interested in seeing the responses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a163bb2f7fba4d34917a2bb31697c500\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: So, what, if anything, has happened in the 135 days since the Government made a request for information to the supermarkets?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215400ec664944c3d8f0807238cc14854\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, more has happened under this Government in the last 18 months than happened over six years compared to the previous Government. Unlike the previous Government, this Government is taking the issue of groceries competition seriously, and the member will have to wait and see where things get to. But, ultimately, like her, the Government wants to see greater competition in the supermarket sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022914025c5a2ee488d89094ed84fa3e1e7\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Minister listen to Mike Hosking, who said that Nicola Willis\u2019 supermarket announcement was \u201Cyet another diatribe about what needs to be done, what could be done and what might be done\u201D, \u201Ca speech of hopeless contradictions\u201D, and \u201Cfor a Government with an image of more talk than action, she didn\u2019t do anything to help that reputation.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221838db7a8a1c42b2b4491773c7714624\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Acting Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, I think the member might be confusing those comments from Mike Hosking allegedly about Nicola Willis with comments actually about the leader of the Labour Party.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c483db4661040f5bcc509cbea460bf7\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: Why won\u2019t the Minister take responsibility for the well-documented rise in grocery prices since her Government came into power and admit that she\u2019s making life worse for Kiwis struggling with the cost of living?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295d2ccf7257e4898a730818b0f8a92ed\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Acting Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, the Government does not set the price of groceries, as the member, I think, knows, or perhaps not. The Government takes the issue of groceries competition seriously, and we will advance substantive, proper solutions, unlike the stupid policy of taking GST off fruit and vegetables.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f9a07e77dc5e46f0bbc2e04b46eabce4\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022 data-id=\u00223470e580738347f49c2ca85ba8506558\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223470e580738347f49c2ca85ba8506558\u0022\u003EDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s statements and actions? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022d1b44038a6db4cb5b62075471b1e1cf7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d1b44038a6db4cb5b62075471b1e1cf7\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb8d09fac308421daac2187eaf8c0f1c\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Prime Minister allowing the Government to delay recognition of the State of Palestine until September? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253443cd06df9451eb58b05d05cc39127\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s a Government that wants to weigh up its position over the next month. We acknowledge that some of our close partners have changed their position; others have not. We will work our way through the process, as we outlined yesterday. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220f2ce0233c2445697016a00bbb747d1\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: What criteria does the Prime Minister believe Palestinians have not met that is preventing his Government from immediately recognising their humanity and statehood today? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d3ea4a02c5d424ebf2e82d56eacdfd7\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as I explained earlier, it\u2019s been a longstanding, bipartisan position that New Zealand supports a two-State solution. It goes right back to 1947 and the partition. We want to see a State of Israel and a State of Palestine living peacefully, side by side. But we are going to review and weigh up our position, as we articulated, and it\u2019s an important issue, it\u2019s a complex issue, and we\u2019ll work through it sensibly and seriously. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba85ee0a089a4be081f7bc106509a7f1\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: How does the Prime Minister justify the targeted killings of journalists in Gaza, including Anas Jamal al-Sharif and the entire Al Jazeera journalist team based there? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cbfca8300c254fbba0fd49fc130d78b9\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, there is\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206cb2d9f23cd4f0e921adb8caa3cdf4f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Prime Minister doesn\u2019t have responsibility for that, and I think the question could be asked\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225370c604060e4613901c9850d27d547e\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: My question was \u201CHow does the Prime Minister justify\u201D. Do you want me to change that\u2014or that\u2019s ruled out? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022510e29a827414b34b70536d97c46a946\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, but the Prime Minister is not required to justify anything other than Government activity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022feccf538f7cd49c0829ae625ed01bc88\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: To apply the Prime Minister\u2019s logic, does the Israel Defense Force\u2019s campaign against Palestinians undermine Israel\u2019s claim of statehood?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225bb423757cf94b13ad04ac1d4e591c8c\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I know that that member is slow on the rules, but she cannot make an assertion that the Prime Minister has such language. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022574bda807b724cfe9334254b3aeb88c8\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Look, that is right. This is a very sensitive subject. It\u2019s a matter that New Zealand has at afar, I\u2019d say, and the Government positioning of it is something that you can question. But you can\u2019t assert something and then ask a question about the assertion. So have another crack. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255be142f1b3e4674aa460ed2560c38e3\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister believe the killing of journalists in Gaza, including Anas Jamal al-Sharif and the entire Al Jazeera journalist team based there, is justifiable? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0ba969bee2f41c0a8094fbf4f27eb76\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I have no responsibility for the actions of Israel or any other country; I am responsible, as Prime Minister of New Zealand, for New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab09b0fbbb2545869069467dd91b1f96\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: What will be left to protect in a month\u2019s time\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b5ca714abaa94f208f2718808cfe2ef4\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Oh! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e1180a9f57e441e384325ed4457440ca\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014if the Prime Minister waits until September to act, with the Israel Government approving further escalation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238065fbdd78546d29ba7b70a026def6c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, just start the question again. It may be a question that some on the backbench to my right are not happy with, but they will listen to it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022953e321e4c674f4883024a34bc7dcdf2\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: What will be left to protect in a month\u2019s time if the Prime Minister waits until September to act, with the Israel Government approving further escalation in Gaza, including measures that will deepen the starvation and killing of Palestinians? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240745418125a448381da2a7c64c6a6ad\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I would just say to the member that there are strongly held views on all sides of this debate across the whole of New Zealand, and, in fact, all around the world. What this Government has been consistent in doing since this conflict started is actually calling for the immediate release of hostages from Hamas. I\u2019m sure that member would agree with that\u2014that that is the appropriate action. What this Government has been calling for is for Israel to give unfettered humanitarian access to protect civilians and to honour its obligations under international law, and what this Government has consistently called for is a ceasefire. That is the way in which we get ourselves to a pathway on the two-State solution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224aa4fbfe898b44e5a2e884658f7cd2c2\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. My question was \u201CWhat will be left to protect\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268ce7ef6b1f141578320d102406f7477\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: But that is not a question that the Prime Minister of New Zealand can possibly answer, and it\u2019s certainly not a question that is within his ministerial responsibilities\u2014his prime ministerial responsibilities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220f7d126e-c18d-4466-9ebe-d424ae5c4bf6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226362d88498fb4b19b08fb2f4c6ec487b\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: Our position is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227706cafd80a54877a3501e5ae3bc2731\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And the member next to you can assert that all he likes; that is simply not the case. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227e22bb95-9afb-449c-bcd2-de9fd4f2277c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226096efaf25f4434392b5cb391f1a3d7d\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Has the New Zealand Government, which the New Zealand Prime Minister is responsible for, made contributions of humanitarian aid to this crisis in Gaza, and, if so, how much money? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022309c610316dc4f2ca77a278ed35da123\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: We have supported humanitarian assistance to the tune of $37 million, but one of the major challenges right now is that it\u2019s very difficult to get aid into Gaza because of the actions of Israel. That is why our Government has joined with many others, and foreign Ministers all around the world, in calling for Israel to release and enable unfettered humanitarian access. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222f95380055e842018eb2f4b040c878c6\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022 data-id=\u0022757cd1bdf2344035858c41fd9b0528dc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022757cd1bdf2344035858c41fd9b0528dc\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: E tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E[Does he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad818158c98143208e53867684a229eb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad818158c98143208e53867684a229eb\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd7b057cdfa240dca4c491e78b8aa51e\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he think worker-led collectives are describing his Government as the most anti-worker Government in decades?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214da8085a5b8472fa0270d2fe90966e6\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019d have to ask them, but what I can tell you is we\u2019re on the side of low and middle income working New Zealanders because we believe they deserve tax relief\u2014first time in 14 years. We\u2019re backing fast track to create more jobs and opportunity to get things built in this country. We\u2019re the ones that have lowered inflation. We\u2019re the ones that are lowering our interest rates. We\u2019re the one that\u2019s getting the economy growing again. We are doing everything we can to get this country put on a pathway to economic growth, and I think it\u2019s got a very exciting future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259a3d86734c847c789e7be0d462adc35\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Why was his employment relations legislation designed with big businesses like Uber in mind, instead of their workers, who are predominantly vulnerable, low-paid migrant workers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253de480ee2ef4a2d879786cbe55c4eea\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I reject the assertions and characterisation in that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8f7c11209e144ea843308141aea5701\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: How does he reconcile his focus on growing wages with his Government\u2019s decisions to offer real-term cuts for minimum-wage workers and cancel fair pay agreements and pay equity claims for low-paid w\u0101hine workers?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256bcc874a519445ba17d0973c05352f4\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019d just say to the member that I would encourage her to look at the records. Since this Government has been formed, we have had wages growing faster than inflation. Compare that to the previous Labour-Greens Government, where we had 13 quarters where inflation was well ahead of wage growth. Wages being higher than inflation is how Kiwis get ahead, and that\u2019s what we\u2019re supporting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d35a67d5d4ee47358825776a05b8ccab\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he accept that collective bargaining is the main way workers\u2019 wages increase, and, if so, why is he pushing through a bill that will undermine the collective bargaining power of hundreds of thousands of workers in Aotearoa?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215e2754f234942e1990674f9ab3b8c0b\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: There are ways in which employees reach employment arrangements with their employers, and that can be an independent contracting arrangement or it can be collective bargaining. We support lots of options.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7530327e95a476fbcd31f9e1f30562f\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Why did he choose to cut thousands of jobs? [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223e7a798655944725951d1216f79a7623\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, sorry, there\u2019s been far too much cross-bench chatter. We\u2019ve got an important debate coming up that I know that both the offenders there will want to speak in, so just for the next five minutes, calm it. That question is not in order. If you want to try another one, that will\u2014otherwise, we\u2019ll just finish for the day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5f0fe84-01e8-4eb3-a590-0025017c4243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd6eb48520dc4a5eaf8cedf5bf67d786\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Is he a Prime Minister for the regular working people like teachers, nurses, and taxi drivers, or for big business?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ea31fdd3-90e9-47d7-92a4-20b6a3109eef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229d047ffe016465696cc77063b25e346\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely, and that\u2019s why we care about low and middle income workers, in this Government. We are the parties of workers, the people that the Labour and Green parties forsake, because they didn\u2019t run the economy. They ran up huge amounts of debt, they ran up inflation, and they ran up interest rates, and who suffered the most? Low and middle income working New Zealanders. Adding $88 billion worth of new taxes and $44 billion worth of new debt\u2014with Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick as a Minister of Finance\u2014I just suggest is not the way forward. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c104646658a64db7b297553083829900\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That concludes oral questions. We\u2019ll take 30 seconds for people to very swiftly leave the House if they\u2019ve got other business. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002280e138be25df4cdabee19bcfa1c649a7\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220dac1e2ed07a43139c0fb7bc67f3e1fd\u0022\u003EGovernment Consideration of Recognition of State of Palestine\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022 data-id=\u0022afc6bf4c0af04b149880dbad4c39ce8f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022afc6bf4c0af04b149880dbad4c39ce8f\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I move, That the House take note of a matter of urgent public importance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ENot a day goes by when members of this House and the New Zealand public don\u2019t see pictures, images, and videos of a humanitarian crisis not seen for generations. Men, women, children, babies, media, and health workers are dying. Men, women, children, and babies are suffering\u2014are starving. Over 60,000 people have been killed in Gaza since the war began. We condemn the Hamas attacks on 7 October 2023, but we cannot deny what is unfolding before our very eyes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWe have heard today an aid blockade has caused widespread hunger and desperation. The Prime Minister, in his contribution in the House today, has said that is the biggest barrier to getting aid to where it is needed the most. Other countries are finding a way. We know that other countries are parachuting aid into the places where it is needed the most. We know they are coming together and using their collective voice to make sure that the people in Gaza who are suffering get what they need. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ENew Zealand has long held its head high as an international citizen. When asked to show leadership on important matters, our country has put its hand up in the past. On many occasions, we have put our hand up, despite it being very unpopular with others, and we have stood strong on our principles and our values. The Labour Party has consistently called for an immediate ceasefire, an end to the suffering in Gaza, and recognition of the State of Palestine. The war in Gaza has killed so many and created the humanitarian crisis which greets us every morning when we open our eyes. Recognition, we believe, is a necessary step towards ending the cycle of violence we are witnessing. We are being told many things by this Government, and the thing that disappoints us the most is that today we heard that we will wait till September while the Cabinet and the leadership of this country deliberate on an outcome, or a matter, that is of huge importance to Palestine and the people who are suffering\u2014September. That is a number of weeks away. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWe asked the question of the Government: how many more people will suffer and how many more people will die because of the Government dragging its heels on such an important matter? We are being left behind. New Zealand is being left behind on the international stage. Many people we call close partners, the people we call close allies, and others are leading the charge of the recognition of Palestine as a State. They are leading the charge on making sure that aid gets to where it needs to get to the most\u2014to the people who are suffering in Gaza. We are dragging the chain in the efforts of the International Court of Justice, as they are overwhelmed by the case work in front of them, and we have not heard much from this Government in support of the work that they do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWe heard today that some $36 million of aid has been contributed to this humanitarian crisis\u2014$36 million. I put to the members of this House that that is nowhere near enough. We have debated in this House on many topics and on matters that relate to New Zealanders. We\u2019ve talked about the financial assistance that they need. I implore this Government to consider, once again, their contributions to the aid that is very much needed in Gaza today. We\u2019ve been told by this Government that it is a case of if and not when. While it\u2019s clear that, once again, Gaza, the people of Palestine, and the people of the world have to wait till September to when this Government will come together to consider the response to this matter, I can say that on this side of the House, when Labour was in power\u2014for the urgent matters that faced not only this country but the world\u2014we came together quickly, with urgency, to make sure that we led the response from our country on this matter. We stand proudly by that record.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWhat we\u2019re seeing from this Government is inactivity, and, sadly, they are walking blissfully into the sunset of ignorance. I don\u2019t say that lightly. I say that we can no longer do that. When the world needed leadership, once again our country stood up. We think it is time for action. Labour are making it very clear to this Government our demands here today. We demand that this Government shows the strong leadership that our country deserves. We demand recognition of statehood for Palestine, and this demands that Government meet urgently on this matter and not wait for September. We believe that is one of the steps in making sure that we can de-escalate this humanitarian crisis that unfolds before our very eyes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003ELabour demands more targeted aid to feed and support the people in Gaza. Other countries have bypassed Israel\u2019s system and blockade. They have made sure aid has got to where it is needed the most, and we demand this of this Government. We demand continued support of the important work of the International Court of Justice. We should be doing everything we can to support that important work, to make sure that not only can we sort this matter out in Gaza but also set a precedent for any State actor across the world that this kind of activity, and these sorts of actions, can no longer be tolerated into the future. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWe are very disappointed with what\u2019s happening. We are sad with what we\u2019ve seen in Gaza, but we are more disappointed in what seems to be the lack of activity by this Government on the matter. This has been a matter that has been put as questions in the House since it began. It has been a matter that has been debated in this House time and time again. Yet we heard, once again, from the Prime Minister today that they will be meeting in September to consider this matter urgently. We demand that the Prime Minister shows the leadership our country deserves and calls an urgent Cabinet to make sure that this matter can be decided upon, and deliberated, at the next convenient time, which we encourage to be this week.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EWe no longer sit on our hands in this part of the world. We no longer sit back and wait for others to act and sit idle on the sidelines. We\u2019ve made our position clear. Once again, we condemn the actions made by Hamas on that terrible day in October 2023, but since then, we can no longer\u2014as we come to the anniversary of that particular attack that we condemn\u2014sit on our hands and watch this humanitarian crisis grow deeper and deeper and deeper by the day. My encouragement to the Government is not only to heed the words of the Labour Party on this matter but of New Zealanders on this matter. Communities across New Zealand and, indeed, the world are standing up. They\u2019re saying that this can no longer be tolerated, and we believe that New Zealand should, once again, take its place as a global citizen and show leadership on this matter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EI want to just once again reiterate the stance of Labour on this matter and the demands that we make of this Government. We ask that they show the leadership and courage our country deserves. Once again, we ask for the recognition of statehood for Palestine, we ask for more targeted aid to those who are suffering in this humanitarian crisis, and we ask for the continued support of the important work of the International Court of Justice. Then, after all that is done, we should ask ourselves: what more can we do? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e77494a0-1be1-432f-b492-fd160f4c119d\u0022\u003EAs we look towards not only the humanitarian crisis\u2014we know the economic crisis that awaits us once we are able to deal with this humanitarian crisis before us. So, we ask this Government to ask itself: what more can we do? I said earlier that, sadly, this country\u2014under the leadership of this Government\u2014is walking blissfully into the sunset of denial. We can no longer do that. We must stand strong on the principles and values of our great country, show leadership on the international stage, and be the global citizen we have been in the past where we have shown the world just how great we are despite our small numbers, how great we are despite our isolation, and how we can do so much more to support the world in its time of need. We call for action, and the Labour Party will demand it from this Government today and until the decisions are made that we expect to be made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022 data-id=\u002253249e345640438b8ba0d39037beca63\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002253249e345640438b8ba0d39037beca63\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS (Minister of Foreign Affairs):\u003C/span\u003E As the Good Book says, by their deeds you\u2019ll know them. If you look at yesterday\u2019s Order Paper for this House\u2019s business and today\u2019s Order Paper for this House\u2019s business, there is no primary question on the question of Palestine from the Opposition\u2014not one. In all those opportunities, for two days, not one question\u2014not one primary question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222d6acc2572374d2590f501b0020bee2d\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re dancing on the head of a pin.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a67b0ae5c3ec406d8109bdb3ef6e140e\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: No, I\u2019m not dancing on a pinhead. I\u2019ve giving you the facts: not one primary question in two days. Yesterday, we took an oral item to Cabinet to set up the process for making a decision on this matter. As we outlined in our press release yesterday\u2014and here it is\u2014this is not straightforward or a clear-cut issue. Some of our partners are in favour of recognition; others are not. We have talked to countless Islamic countries and the Palestinian Authority\u2014all those people that these people over here have never even known or even talked to\u2014and they understand our position. Our focus over the next month is on gathering information and talking to partners to inform Cabinet\u2019s ultimate decision, so that we can make the best possible decision, in keeping with New Zealand\u2019s interests, values, and principles.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022928f7434c9734a77832b6737cf1d52d4\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Bloody gutless.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d54a2773bd94cbb9c2d901cb47f676b\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: We are not going to listen to scaremongers\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebd8e1143e70418390af569fa928f2f5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No\u2014sorry, I do just need to interrupt the member. I\u2019ve had enough of that, so you can stand up, withdraw, and apologise, or leave the House\u2014one of the two.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b4866108647468198f20766199e5e88\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll leave the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222677513e17314ac2a2866bda822e0509\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor withdrew from the Chamber. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef325d367c2c4c088863c6b6c9c918f5\u0022\u003ERt Hon WINSTON PETERS\u003C/span\u003E: We have talked to all those Islamic countries, whether it be Indonesia, whether it be Turkey, whether it be Saudi Arabia, whether it be the Emirates, or whether it be Egypt. That\u2019s the difference. We know this is a complex issue, with strong opinions on both sides. They, of course, are demanding that Hamas lay down its arms and leave the country, but I don\u2019t hear that from over here. Strong opinions there are on both sides. That is why we are approaching this issue carefully, judiciously, and calmly. We\u2019ll be attending the United Nations General Assembly meeting in New York next month, when this issue is on the debating paper, and we\u2019ll be set to speak to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d49aeac-8adf-497b-9400-ab7bb077bb8d\u0022\u003ECan I just say this: between now and then, we\u2019ll be weighing this decision carefully rather than rushing to judgment. For the Labour Party\u2019s benefit, they had 15 years to recognise Palestine statehood. I heard Helen Clark this morning. Well, she was the Prime Minister from 1999 to 2008. Did she do that then? No. Then, from 2017 to 2023, they had a second chance\u2014and Mr Hipkins was there as well\u2014to do that then. Did they do it in those six years? No. So, please, answer this question\u2014please, answer this question\u2014why on earth now do they think they have the answers when they didn\u2019t have them then? All we\u2019re asking\u2014and when we\u2019re saying it\u2019s a matter of when, not if\u2014is to know what we\u2019re going to recognise. Surely that\u2019s a responsibility we all have? We\u2019re weighing up this decision carefully rather than rushing to judgment, and that, sir, is the position of this Government. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022ace71e9d3bcd486289bbe81991283137\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ace71e9d3bcd486289bbe81991283137\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just indicate that the timing mechanism appears to be a little bit off, so I\u2019ll do my best to make sure that everyone gets a fair go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022 data-id=\u00220873c3482c834092bfc12f7f09540e42\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220873c3482c834092bfc12f7f09540e42\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E E te M\u0101ngai, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e te Whare. I guess, at this point in time, the question really has to be asked: what words are left? We have libraries and libraries and libraries worth of evidence and research and data that tells us that what is happening in Palestine\u2014and has been happening for the last 76 years\u2014is ethnic cleansing. It is apartheid. It is genocide. Then there are the live streams that are now being delivered to all of our cellphones 24/7 over the better part of the last two years. My question for this place is: what the hell is the point of our jobs? Because, so far, all I have heard from contributions is the blame game. New Zealanders\u2014the world\u2014deserve so much better than that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EWe hear from members of the Government and from the Prime Minister, in response to our questions today, that this is all just a matter of strongly held views, apparently on both sides. But genocide is a fact, not a feeling. Omer Bartov, a professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies at Brown University, says, \u201CMy inescapable conclusion has become that Israel is committing genocide against the Palestinian people. Having grown up in a Zionist home, lived the first half of my life in Israel, served in the I.D.F. as a soldier and officer and spent most of my career researching and writing on war crimes and the Holocaust, this was a painful conclusion to reach, and one that I resisted as long as I could. But I have been teaching classes on genocide for a quarter of a century. I can recognize one when I see one.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EWe asked the Prime Minister today what the harm could possibly be of recognising, in the most basic sense, Palestinian statehood, and, frankly, he could not answer the question. Instead, in the face of half a million people being consciously and intentionally starved to death, after being mercilessly carpet bombed and snipered as they line up for food aid, the Prime Minister decided to appeal, once again, to Hamas. In the face of innocent people being slaughtered, he appealed to \u201CBut what about the terrorist organisation?\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003ETo use that rationale, and to use that logic and response, this Government is willing, so far, to seemingly only recognise one of the two States in the two-State solution that is supposedly arguing for. Yet it is not willing to apply the same rationale with regards to terroristic violence, the likes of the genocidal campaign which Israel and the Israel Defense Forces is currently raining down on the Palestinian people. How is that not the basis for the same questions to be asked about the statehood of Israel?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EThen there are just the bold-faced facts: we are a laggard, we are an outlier, and it is not only appalling in the face of this genocide and of the merciless slaughter of these innocent people, after having been made refugees in their own land, but we are one of the very few countries in the world who, so far, refuse to acknowledge the absolute bare minimum. One hundred and forty-six UN-member States currently recognise Palestinian statehood\u2014that is three-quarters of the United Nations membership\u2014and so far, over the last few weeks, we have seen that the United Kingdom, Canada, France, and Australia have all moved to commit their intent. But so far, all our Government can seem to do is commit to a process. It utterly beggars belief.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003EHuman rights should not be conditional. We don\u2019t get human rights because somebody else decides that we are worthy, but we get them because we are human. The best way to lose your own human rights is to care about them only when it impacts and affects you. But we have so much further to go than merely recognising the statehood of Palestine, as we should have done 76 years ago. We can and we must uphold the genocide convention, which means doing everything that we can to prevent a genocide before it occurs. So I will reiterate my call for the Government to pick up our Unlawful Occupation of Palestine Sanctions Bill and to sanction Israel for its war crimes. If we find six of 68 Government MPs with a spine, we can stand on the right side of history\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a4a1785d159477e8ebaddf38cd3e631\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That is completely unacceptable to make that statement. Withdraw it and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dbaac12b-3efa-4d95-a08d-f0f637a48bab\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022478a60e38229411787983a1203ee5da6\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK\u003C/span\u003E: No. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022c1d55a81fbe84a2cbb8445aa6adc19d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c1d55a81fbe84a2cbb8445aa6adc19d6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Then leave the House for the rest of the week. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick withdrew from the Chamber. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022 data-id=\u00220837cc4fc0a64f00b7e3027d4a401e29\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220837cc4fc0a64f00b7e3027d4a401e29\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. New Zealanders are compassionate people. It is excruciating to watch the suffering of Palestinians and, of course, those Israelis who were murdered and abused at the hands of Hamas on 7 October 2023; it\u2019s excruciating to watch Palestinians being used as human shields by the terrorists who control Gaza; and it\u2019s excruciating to watch Hamas propaganda being bandied around this House by those who should know better when that organisation is feeding its fighters while Palestinian civilians in Gaza go hungry. I hope Kiwis\u2014in fact, I trust Kiwis\u2014can distinguish between the hallucinating outrage of that member Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick when it comes to the situation in Gaza.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge that New Zealand, ultimately, knows that Israel has real responsibilities to the civilians in Gaza, but I also want New Zealanders listening to know\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db3f1e866c9041f9828dc7142b70ed30\u0022\u003ECelia Wade-Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225086a81aebd44bdd8690e7334fb81a0d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246933412023c4b9c9a37cef9bebc1374\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014that there is no evidence and New Zealand does not agree\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a501295e979e4535b9696bb538877697\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Hang on, we\u2019ve got a point of order just called.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fa4845f-2fb3-4c2c-828a-40a363d3a159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282cc157f8cf6468aa1926f2cda7c2d5a\u0022\u003ECelia Wade-Brown\u003C/span\u003E: I think that member\u2019s comments were offensive, and he should apologise and withdraw.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022423ec5c918954f41897355a7a87782fe\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I was contemplating the remark that was made and I think it can be considered offensive. The member should withdraw that comment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea475f915ffb4dd693db92a6043be93d\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT\u003C/span\u003E: Just to clarify, which comment was that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224a5c4707e82c4c68b6722344b4754909\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It was when you gave a description of the commentary from a previous speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223442e1ff69f41818b7b13acae7bdc7a\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT\u003C/span\u003E: Was that the comment about when I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259c89355a28548b69745e656b31538b6\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if you\u2019re going to argue with me\u2014you either withdraw and apologise or you will terminate and leave as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e35246f8da4943fba29ad2d2ea31ddc8\u0022\u003ESIMON COURT\u003C/span\u003E: Well, in that case, I withdraw and apologise. I\u2019ll continue: we must consider, then, what can New Zealand do to help civilians in Gaza? Well, the Prime Minister stated today\u2014and thank you, the Hon Peeni Henare, for acknowledging New Zealand has donated roughly $37\u00A0million in aid that Israel and the United States as well as the United Nations are helping get to civilians in Gaza. That is important. But then we come to the question in this debate: should New Zealand recognise a State of Palestine, which may include Gaza and areas of the West Bank of the River Jordan, a place where millions of Palestinians live? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EWell, before I address that, I just wanted to put on the record that Israel withdrew entirely its military forces and its control of the Gaza Strip in 2007 and left it to the Palestinian administration to rule. All Israelis were removed. Their homes, their businesses, even their graves and the bodies of their dead ancestors were removed. What happened next? Hamas took over and they turned it into a terrorist State. Therefore, what should New Zealanders and our Government be thinking about as we consider the question posed by the Hon Peeni Henare?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EWell, security must come before politics. There cannot be progress towards recognising a Palestinian State until all Israeli hostages are returned and Hamas is dismantled. That is the position our foreign Minister has again reiterated today. Both States or entities must recognise and uphold the civil liberties of their own people as set out in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Recognition matters, because any deal that includes clear recognition of a Palestinian State must also include recognition by the Arab States that support the creation of the State of Palestine, of Israel as the Jewish State and home of the Jewish people, and an end to claims against its very existence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EDemilitarisation is also non-negotiable. A future Palestinian entity must be demilitarised, and Israel must retain the ability to prevent future attacks. Even the Arab States that support Palestinian statehood agree with this point. We must end the dependency that the Palestinian people have had on this UNRWA\u2014the United Nations Relief and Works Agency. Refugee aid should be delivered through credible agencies, not ones accused of and where there is evidence of them enabling terrorism. Both parties in the region, Israel as a Jewish State, and a future Palestinian State, must commit to a process of truth and reconciliation that must be the basis of preventing future conflict. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262828428-6565-42b4-bd4d-fa3b12531f88\u0022\u003EThose are all the matters that New Zealanders and the New Zealand Government should be taking into account when thinking about should New Zealand act now or soon or ever to recognise a Palestinian State. Mr Speaker, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022 data-id=\u00229258c768a8974520a32604b91d0c9ad0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229258c768a8974520a32604b91d0c9ad0\u0022\u003EDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you. I stand to speak to this kaupapa before us, which is, in fact, a moral imperative for us in Aotearoa. What we have done as a nation is proudly stood against humanitarian issues, such as anti-apartheid with South Africa. Interestingly enough, South Africa is also supporting the recognition of Palestine as a State and, actually, the whole issue that\u2019s going on in Gaza. We were also anti-nuclear and anti - nuclear testing in the Pacific. What we are as a nation, now, is failing. We are failing in our role as humanitarians, we are failing in our role as guardians for this nation, and we are watching a Government that has decided to take a side on genocide.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EIt is absolutely despicable to be in a nation where we have to sit in this House and listen to people justify why we should wait another month to recognise a State that is barely standing. What will be left\u2014what will be left? Rubble? Martyred spirits? What is it that you want to have left in a month\u2019s time? What is it that you want our mokopuna, our children, all our kura kaupapa, and all our communities who know nothing about the history of Palestine and who know nothing about how Israel and the settlers have arrived there to be able to see next? What you\u2019re making up is excuses of how you justify, and how a Government justifies, why we have decided to be wahang\u016B, to be silent, while innocent civilians are perishing, while they are starving, while they have been deliberately targeted, and while they have been sniped as they wait for food to come through. Hordes of aid are waiting to come through, and they are being denied deliberately\u2014deliberately starved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EThis is absolutely the worst thing that we are going to have to live with in our lifetimes, and I am never going to be standing here and agreeing with what this Government is saying is OK. We support what Chl\u00F6e and what Te P\u0101ti K\u0101k\u0101riki are saying, we support a sanctions bill, and we must do more than just recognise Palestine. We must get in there and help out, in our capacity and in every way and form, to make sure these sanctions happen. We have to recognise the State of Palestine now. We need to stand in solidarity with the other 140-odd nations who have recognised it. We should be ending Israel\u2019s illegal occupation now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EThis is like someone coming to Parihaka and saying, after they\u2019ve raped and murdered our three-year old children and our women, \u201CIt\u2019s OK. We\u2019re going to come and help you now.\u201D\u2014after the fact. We do not need a light situation\u2014sorry, Peeni, you should have been talking about sanctions. We need to expel the Israel ambassador now, and every other country that is aiding and abetting Israel now. There\u2019s nothing else that should be top of mind for every other leader politically in this world but ending this. We have absolutely no right to be in any diplomatic relationship. There is no two-State nation. We are way past that. One State has decided\u2014in fact, this State has decided\u2014that it\u2019s OK to give justice to the powerful. But, by goodness, if you\u2019re oppressed, your justice does not matter.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EThere is no equality in any of the thinking here, politically. I don\u2019t want to hear about 7 October\u2014when, by the way, Labour was in Government at the time. You have not done enough, you settler parties. You have not done enough, because you recognise, in this domination, the same things that got you here. We are a nation that was formed off the misery and the pain and the violence of colonisation. But what are we doing? We have memory loss. We have memory loss of how bad it is, and nothing\u2014no race, no religion, no diplomatic scenario\u2014can ever sit there and justify looking your children in the face and saying, in your role and in your sphere of influence, you denied the inability to end and stop the violent killing and slaughtering of innocent civilians. Nothing justifies it in this world. Nothing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227a76db18-baa4-41c1-b366-89e2c753a1e7\u0022\u003EYou have failed a whole nation of people, and I can\u2019t imagine how they\u2019re there. We\u2019re just a small nation. Anything we do is not going to have much of a punch, but it\u2019s actually about doing what\u2019s morally right and what\u2019s historically morally right. When you\u2019re all sitting here doing the Treaty settlements and saying to everybody, \u201CI\u2019m apologetic.\u201D, actually, you\u2019re just perpetuating the same thing on another nation and another race. This is ethnic cleansing. This is genocide and apartheid, and I have never been more ashamed to be in the House than I am today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002283dca3a7-93a6-4a78-a313-6fce42ebe49e\u0022 data-id=\u00226bc9e7dd77124fe4b8fef66a2a280d8e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002283dca3a7-93a6-4a78-a313-6fce42ebe49e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226bc9e7dd77124fe4b8fef66a2a280d8e\u0022\u003EVANUSHI WALTERS (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E In the face of what is one of the worst humanitarian crises that we have seen, it is jarring\u2014absolutely jarring\u2014to see that we have a Government in place who are not standing up for our values, a Government in place who are, essentially, looking sideways at other nation States to determine what our foreign policy should be. We have a Prime Minister who has, for the most part, been silent on this humanitarian crisis. We have a Prime Minister who has not taken the action that he should have, a Prime Minister who is making things worse, because he is, in effect, standing between New Zealanders and the true expression of our values.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002283dca3a7-93a6-4a78-a313-6fce42ebe49e\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s jarring because for the longest time\u2014whether we\u2019ve had a Government that has been Labour-led or a Government that has been National-led\u2014we have always put our values first on the international stage, and we are simply no longer doing that. Make no mistake: when the storm finally subsides, this Government will wake up on the wrong side of history. They will wake up, and they will realise that they should have recognised Palestine a long time ago, in the name of peace and in the name of justice. They will wake up and realise that they should have stood up for the rule of law by joining South Africa\u2019s case at the International Court of Justice. They will wake up and realise that they should have facilitated the reunification of Palestinians with their family members here, as we did in relation to Ukraine. They will wake up and realise that they truly should have championed our independent foreign policy, not waited until the very last possible moment to make the morally correct decision. But they have not done that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002283dca3a7-93a6-4a78-a313-6fce42ebe49e\u0022\u003EIt is not just the moral thing to do; it is the legally appropriate thing to do. I have been quite puzzled by the approach the Government have taken. If you look at when a nation State can and should be recognised, historically we are leaning on treaties that come out of the 1930s, including the Montevideo Convention, and there are many nation States who have already recognised Palestine on the basis of those traditional criteria. However, there is a growing body of thought that says there are new evolving norms and customary international law which we must bear in mind when deciding to recognise a nation State, and that includes the idea of transitional recognition\u2014when you look to an evolving State and you recognise it as part of its journey to becoming a nation State. This is not new to New Zealand; we have done this before. In fact, we have done it in relation to Israel, in 1949, when its borders weren\u2019t certain. We did it in relation to Bosnia, in 1992; Kosovo, in 2008. In fact, in Bosnia, in 1992, in April when we recognised, its capital was under siege by other military, and yet we recognised those States. In terms of Iraq, under US rule, it was also recognised that there was a transitional State in place, too. It is something we have done before; it is something other countries are doing as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002283dca3a7-93a6-4a78-a313-6fce42ebe49e\u0022\u003EThe next big question is: what will happen next month? Listening to the comments from Government members, it\u2019s clear that conditionalities will be placed on any position that they take\u2014and that is the wrong position to have. Not only will we find ourselves out of step with the two-thirds of countries in the United Nations who have recognised Palestine; we will find ourselves out of steps with the UK, Canada, and Australia, who, I suspect, will have more accommodating provisions than we do. We will all be watching very closely what the final position is that this Government comes out with. There is more other than the position that this Government must do: visas, sanctions, joining the South African case, and ensuring that we have no procurement of goods from Israel.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002283dca3a7-93a6-4a78-a313-6fce42ebe49e\u0022\u003EFinally, to the State of Israel: aid is not and should not be conditional on military aims. Starvation is not a bargaining chip. This abhorrent behaviour must stop.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022549e01c0610945f88913db4d85c7e64c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022549e01c0610945f88913db4d85c7e64c\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Musterer\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order. Thank you, Mr Speaker. I just had to go back to the video record to make sure that I have the correct words from the Speaker who was in your Chair earlier. Can I just check with you, relating to Standing Order 90, because Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick was told that she was to leave the House for the remainder of the week. Standing Order 90 makes it pretty clear that the provisions are only there for a day. So can I please have your confirmation as to whether this is a departure from the Standing Orders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022c9c56d127242426bbc1d4cffda054e55\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c9c56d127242426bbc1d4cffda054e55\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll take some advice on that. Thank you for bringing that to the attention of the House. The Clerk will take some advice on that. But, at this stage, the Speaker\u2019s ruling will stand until you hear otherwise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022 data-id=\u0022655afd618c97447a8a7d12d4ce644287\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022655afd618c97447a8a7d12d4ce644287\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. When is the time for the recognition of Palestine as a State? That time is now. It\u2019s not in four weeks or eight weeks. It\u2019s not when Cabinet convenes yet another meeting. It is time to give Palestine a seat at the table of the community of nations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EThis has been done many times before we saw established borders and established institutions. In fact, in 1948, when this country recognised Israel, it didn\u2019t have established borders. It is really important to recognise why Palestine, in becoming a member of the community of nations\u2014why that is a path to peace. It means that they can stand alongside their peers and join in United Nations and other treaties. They can participate in international tribunals, not as a secondary observer but as an equal participant. It means that they can send diplomats\u2014not some second-tier mission, but an ambassador\u2014to speak and advocate on their behalf with other nations and in international forums. It means that we can recognise what we know, and that is that Israel is an illegal-occupying power in a foreign State. It advances peace by recognising the equality of the Palestinian people with the people of Israel\u2014that they both have an equal right to peace, an equal right to self-determination, and an equal right to access international tribunals. It makes it clear that Jewish and Israeli settlements on Palestinian land are illegal and that they are an annexation of the territory of a foreign State. It creates a legitimacy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003ENow, I\u2019ve heard a member from the Opposition talk about the preconditions to statehood, essentially saying we must have a State before we can have a State. But to build the apparatus of a State, we need to recognise the legitimacy of that. To build a court system, to build a system of government, a democracy, to build the services that are not under the thrall of the Israelis but stand independent and sovereign\u2014to do that, it needs to be recognised that Palestine is a State, and it has the legitimacy for that project. It means that Palestine won\u2019t be dependent on Israel for its every need\u2014for power, for food, for water. It means that we won\u2019t have to ask Israel before we can drive a truck into Palestine or a ship into a harbour full of aid and relief. It means that the Palestinian people can control their own borders for the inflow and outflow of people, for the trade that is the lifeline of a nation that Israel has suffocated for generations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EHere we are with this opportunity ahead of us, and our Government does nothing. The National Party won\u2019t even speak to this debate. They\u2019re silent in the face of this need. Yes, we have sent some aid, but we need to do much more. We need to provide real and meaningful aid and support. We need to provide visas for people who need to flee that conflict and need to come here. We need to impose sanctions for the horrors, for the international crimes that Israel is committing in Gaza and elsewhere. We cannot sit silent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f7fc7ac3-5ce1-43ca-8cd6-dbb0941bf3ae\u0022\u003EYes, October 2023 was horrific. Yes, the hostages should be released, but we cannot hold the Palestinian people themselves hostage while the world waits. The time is now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd10a8dc3ee44398bbbf865436838903\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The time for this debate has expired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220c1a8302c6ff404d9a9cb0c982ca32a8\u0022\u003ERegulatory Systems (Internal Affairs) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022cd5d43c885cc49be98f568c63d444431\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000339\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 31 July.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022db7fcb82-2c50-44e1-9f32-d9138c14006e\u0022 data-id=\u0022e768215e0d4c449f8a23bbcda51182e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db7fcb82-2c50-44e1-9f32-d9138c14006e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e768215e0d4c449f8a23bbcda51182e7\u0022\u003ELEMAUGA LYDIA SOSENE (Labour\u2014M\u0101ngere):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker; thank you for the opportunity. I rise to take a call on this bill, the Regulatory Systems (Internal Affairs) Amendment Bill. Whilst this bill did raise some early questions for Labour, it was important to understand the specificness of its intent and purpose. Labour understands that it\u2019s an omnibus bill, that the 23 Acts, the provisions of the changes, what they are trying to achieve\u2014the changes are necessary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db7fcb82-2c50-44e1-9f32-d9138c14006e\u0022\u003EThe changes are minor because there have been gaps in the original draft and it is inconsistent in original legislation. What we have done is really carefully review the new provisions and understanding from officials the overall intent as to why their changes are necessary. The provisions are there to update, as outlined, and they are carefully needed to be understood\u2014how this bill will improve the lives of New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db7fcb82-2c50-44e1-9f32-d9138c14006e\u0022\u003EIn my contribution that is short, I wanted to comment on two of the provisions in the Gambling Act because, currently, there is legislation\u2014separate legislation\u2014that achieves another purpose, and it is now at the select committee phase: the Online Casino Gambling Bill, because New Zealand is the last OECD country without a regulated market for online gambling. So that\u2019s got its own process. What I would point out is that gambling is a self-authorised choice\u2014that sometimes those people choose to gamble because they have a little bit of money that they\u2019d like to spend on thinking or believing that they would have funds that can be increased where they spend their money, and that\u2019s no problem. But as soon as you start to impose your advertising methods on young people under the age of 18 years, this bill has the provision to protect our young people from being unable to purchase or to be enticed to spend money on a gambling product. That is a good thing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db7fcb82-2c50-44e1-9f32-d9138c14006e\u0022\u003EFurther provisions of the principal Act, respectively: \u201CThe amendment moves the regulation-making power for prescribing the use of pre-commitment, player tracking, or other harm-minimisation devices, technology, or systems in or associated with gambling equipment from section 314 into section 313. The regulation-making power is also expanded to pertain to gambling equipment as defined in section 4 of the principal Act, as opposed to only gaming machines.\u201D I\u2019m highlighting that, for some New Zealanders who think that gaming machines could be the same as gambling equipment, there is a notable difference, as gambling equipment is a much wider and more sophisticated operation\u2014which, the definition says, is anything kept or furnished or provided for a specific purpose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db7fcb82-2c50-44e1-9f32-d9138c14006e\u0022\u003EThe offshore online gambling industry continues to look for new overseas markets or new punters to attract them by offering new products on updated marketing methods, and utilising gambling equipment is one of those things designed to specifically target new gamblers. They\u2019re always looking for new ways. It is critical for our New Zealand gambling legislation that is being designed to be kept up with the advanced technology, and specifically these amendments look to those to tackle that and protect New Zealanders as New Zealand Parliament works towards stronger regulation to combat the new online regulated market platform. It is important, overall, to reduce the harm of the online gambling world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db7fcb82-2c50-44e1-9f32-d9138c14006e\u0022\u003ELabour supports this bill. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022e054c7937f20479fbcea8a96cb50b1ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e054c7937f20479fbcea8a96cb50b1ac\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Just before we take the next speaker, the Speaker will resume the Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00226da618c21cda44efbb96432c90837b7e\u0022\u003ESpeaker\u2019s Rulings\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022552427a9691c42338fc03548e46a9821\u0022\u003EWithdrawal of Member\u2014Duration of Suspension\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022 data-id=\u0022624053e785a24f79b72dba0ed743d963\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022624053e785a24f79b72dba0ed743d963\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. I\u2019m resuming the Chair to respond to a point of order that was raised earlier by Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March related to the decision I made earlier in the day to ask Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick to leave the House. The comment that I made was that it could be for the rest of the week. That was because, while it is true the member can only be removed from the House for the sitting day, the requirement for an apology does not lapse. So if the member comes back in tomorrow and, at the start of proceedings after the prayer, takes a point of order and withdraws and apologises for the offensive remark, then that will be fine. If she doesn\u2019t, then she\u2019ll be leaving the House again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e6b4dc55-3561-49a8-a871-ae005354ef90\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not going to sit in this Chair and tolerate a member standing on her feet or his feet or their feet and saying that other members in the House are spineless. That is completely unacceptable. I made it very clear at the start of the specifical debate that I expected it to be conducted in a manner that was respectful of the various views that are held across the House. So I\u2019ve come back in here to make it absolutely clear that there is still an expectation that there will be a withdrawal and apology; and until there is one, then the status quo will continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022927e33b9f0f941a2b98ee8293375a527\u0022\u003ERegulatory Systems (Internal Affairs) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b03d1a5416e345888187970657859a41\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000354\u0022\u003EDebate resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022 data-id=\u00222d331861771a459c9431b8d101d2d084\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222d331861771a459c9431b8d101d2d084\u0022\u003EDr VANESSA WEENINK (National\u2014Banks Peninsula):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise to speak in support of the Regulatory Systems (Internal Affairs) Amendment Bill, and I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022 data-id=\u00226b09b10edfac44249d230f2d9624abd2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b09b10edfac44249d230f2d9624abd2\u0022\u003ECAMILLA BELICH (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to take a call on the Regulatory Systems (Internal Affairs) Amendment Bill. As other speakers have noted, this is a regulatory bill, and so the purpose of this bill is really to make what would be seen as minor amendments to make the efficiency of existing regulations and laws more effective within the House. You\u2019ve heard some extensive analysis of that by two of my colleagues\u2014one in our previous sitting day, the Hon Barbara Edmonds, when she looked at this particular bill, and also my colleague Lemauga Lydia Sosene, who is our spokesperson on internal affairs, who made some other remarks on this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EI suppose, in short, this bill is one that you would expect to be non-controversial, and that was our expectation, too, in looking at the drafts of this bill. There have been some changes made to it to remove some areas that we consider to be somewhat more controversial. However, there is still a select committee process to go through on this, and while this bill is a regulatory systems bill, it does cover a number of matters that appear, on the face of it, to be substantive. So, on the Governance and Administration Committee, I look forward to going through with officials, and hopefully with the Minister, some of the details in relation to this bill to see what the intent is and where the particular impetus for these regulatory changes has come from. I think most New Zealanders, in reading this bill\u2014and I accept that there may not be that many of them at this stage\u2014would find that many of the changes in this bill would affect things that they interact with in their daily lives. For example, there are substantive changes around passports, around Births, Deaths and Marriages\u2014there are also substantive changes in relation to something that Internal Affairs has been doing recently: the sale of public records. So that is of public interest, I think, and I look forward to receiving some submissions on that. There\u2019s also, as my colleague Barbara Edmonds noted, relatively substantive changes in relation to the way that Fire and Emergency New Zealand works. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EWe are happy to support this through to select committee, but, really, I suppose, our message would be that we would like to hear from the Minister and from officials why these are simply operational and efficiency changes that should be included within a regulatory systems bill, and, if not, why this instrument is being used for somewhat substantive changes. That\u2019s not to say that many of the things in here are not things that we would generally be supportive of, but I think it is important to make sure that when we do have bills which are meant to, on the face of them, make small changes, we actually assess that that\u2019s what\u2019s happening. I\u2019m sure the select committee will do that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EI do encourage members of the public to have a read of this bill, especially if that\u2019s something that you have a particular interest in, just making sure that a lot of these changes are consistent with what you would be expecting. My first read of it is that there are a few things in there that I do have questions about, but I do have faith in the select committee process going through those, but we would be very much aided especially if people would submit to this bill. It\u2019s not often we get that many submissions on a regulatory systems bill, but I think, in this particular example, I would encourage people to look at it and to make submissions, just to make sure that we have got the balance right there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EI won\u2019t use all of my time, but just to say that we\u2019re happy to vote this bill through, but I look forward to taking a microscope to it and actually making sure that all the changes that are in there are of the nature that we would expect in a regulatory systems bill and also achieving the objectives that we would expect them to as well. So thanks very much to the Minister for working with parties around the House on this bill, and we look forward to seeing if further improvements can be made at select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a503e324-3a0b-4efd-bf44-ec6740ec9a62\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002294454ec1451e4a3794cd7ed0b3dd023e\u0022\u003EPoints of Order\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225a897271a414433d9711c989d28a5fe1\u0022\u003EWithdrawal of Member\u2014Duration of Suspension\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1739da0a8bb4c3db8f34fd75db99821\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1739da0a8bb4c3db8f34fd75db99821\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Musterer\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Thank you very much. I\u2019m just raising this at the earliest available opportunity, having sought to not interrupt someone else\u2019s speech. I\u2019m just seeking your clarity on the ruling that was made and on whether that is applied to just Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick, or members as well who left the Chamber after being required to apologise. I\u2019m seeking clarification on the consistency of who this ruling is being applied to. I\u2019m further seeking clarification, as well, as to whether this is specifically to the language of \u201Cgrowing a spine\u201D. I wanted to note there have been several instances of that language, including in 2022 and in 2023, by the Hon Judith Collins and the Hon Paul Goldsmith. I\u2019m just wanting to seek clarification as to, again, whether this is just in relation to one member who didn\u2019t apologise and it\u2019s applied to others, or whether it\u2019s specifically about the use of the language, which has occurred before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022b5abdebf57af4010a1c95575cb6e38f5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b5abdebf57af4010a1c95575cb6e38f5\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: I can assure you it\u2019s in relation to the member. I don\u2019t know if you\u2019ve had relayed to you what the Speaker\u2019s ruling was. It was that, because she hadn\u2019t apologised, the requirement that she only be stood down for the day was overridden by the need for her to apologise for that. It\u2019s up to her, tomorrow afternoon when the House resumes, at the first opportunity, to make that apology.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022 data-id=\u00224f420dcae0734994969216178dd2c8f9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002219ed20db-5d6c-4464-9327-6cdd072bb4fe\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224f420dcae0734994969216178dd2c8f9\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Musterer\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Speaking to the point of order, what I was seeking clarification about was that that wasn\u2019t the only instance in which someone was asked to apologise and didn\u2019t and left the Chamber. So far, I have only heard the ruling applied to one specific member. That\u2019s why I\u2019m asking as to whether this is a new, for example, ruling in which any member that leaves the Chamber without apologising just has to basically apologise the next day, as is being required of Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick, or whether that\u2019s also going to be required of other members who have left the Chamber without apologising after being asked to do so.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022f257fa2810b648de8345c5d69eb1f0ed\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f257fa2810b648de8345c5d69eb1f0ed\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, at this stage, the determination is in relation to Ms Swarbrick. The Speakers will always have discretion to apply the rulings to fit the circumstances which they are confronted with, and that\u2019s the circumstance now. At this stage, there is always the opportunity to create or to rewrite the Standing Orders and the Speakers\u2019 rulings, but, at this stage, I can\u2019t make a decision on that. At this stage, the rulings that have been presented by the Speaker are in relation to Ms Swarbrick.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b05af9df44ef4aa8b231c4aca9a8faa0\u0022\u003ERegulatory Systems (Internal Affairs) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022aab04977828d4ae5aa96106cbc7e5376\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000370\u0022\u003EDebate resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b9dc1924-4df4-4d8f-91ec-8a0f29348308\u0022 data-id=\u0022a6c6343e913c4875b6debff3e3b7e6a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b9dc1924-4df4-4d8f-91ec-8a0f29348308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a6c6343e913c4875b6debff3e3b7e6a1\u0022\u003ETIM COSTLEY (National\u2014\u014Ctaki):\u003C/span\u003E Relatively straightforward rats and mice bill, for the most part, amending 23 Acts\u2014small changes, from the age that you can buy a Lotto ticket through to creating more opportunity for people to stand for local authorities, modernising rules that date back some almost 45 years. Yep, I acknowledge there\u2019s always an opportunity to improve things at select committee, and happy to look at that. Meantime, I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b9dc1924-4df4-4d8f-91ec-8a0f29348308\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b9dc1924-4df4-4d8f-91ec-8a0f29348308\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u0022ba181db2434841f5836f0775ccd9b5a2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ba181db2434841f5836f0775ccd9b5a2\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is, That the Regulatory Systems (Internal Affairs) Amendment Bill be considered by the Governance and Administration Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003EBill referred to the Governance and Administration Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e0ac48e2ea2f45228e7b08c4ee89dcdb\u0022\u003EAntisocial Road Use Legislation Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c1bc74db026647759a2fb44ba3dd915d\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022689daea05895445f9233a214c0681df9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022689daea05895445f9233a214c0681df9\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E I present a legislative statement on the Antisocial Road Use Legislation Amendment Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022 data-id=\u00229bf74563601d49e08073b66dbd9a344b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002202e74c40-9529-4e15-adc2-c032eadc2205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229bf74563601d49e08073b66dbd9a344b\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e5a9404b1e84d468b2e7cfcbf559ec5\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Antisocial Road Use Legislation Amendment Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the Justice Committee to consider the bill and, at the appropriate time, I intend to move that the bill be reported to the House by the end of December 2025 and that the Justice Committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting, except during oral questions, on any evening after the House is convened and on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House and outside the Wellington area, despite Standing Orders 193, 195, and 196.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThis bill amends the Land Transport Act 1998, the Sentencing Act 2002, the Policing Act 2008, and Schedule 1 Land Transport (Offences and Penalties) Regulations 1999, to target and deter antisocial behaviour on our roads. The type of behaviour I\u2019m talking about is fleeing police, illegal street racing, burnouts, disorderly dirt bike gatherings, intimidating vehicle convoys, and siren battles. These behaviours are not only disruptive but they can be incredibly dangerous for participants and bystanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EMembers of the House, I think, will be familiar with recent events reported in the media that show just how dangerous these behaviours can be. Just last month, in Levin\u2014normally a very law-abiding and God-fearing place, according to my good friend and colleague Mr Costley, who I thought behind me\u2014he was here. I\u2019m not going to say he\u2019s left, but he was here. Just last month in Levin, an antisocial road-user gathering resulted in seven injuries, including to two police officers. These types of events, sadly, are becoming more common\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276015b30294740d9b213916aac98010b\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Fast and furious.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f48bb71ac57947c8b086fceab46cccb5\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and increasingly sophisticated. Well, the member says, \u201CFast and furious,\u201D. I mean, Fast \u0026amp; Furious a fun movie, but, actually, too many people\u2014and I think that actually proves the point\u2014are trying to replicate the fast and the furious out there on streets that are not made for Fast \u0026amp; Furious - type behaviour. So it\u2019s an interesting little insight already from the Greens. They\u2019re obviously going to oppose this bill and they\u2019ll have to account for New Zealanders as to why they are in favour of people doing Fast \u0026amp; Furious - style burnouts and siren battles and illegal street racing, not on the side of law-abiding New Zealanders who actually just want to go about their daily business and might have to be subject to that kind of stupid behaviour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EFrom mid-2019 to mid-2024, the Police emergency communications centre received\u2014this is an astonishing number\u201465,738 calls about illegal street racing; 65,000. Now, a call is a call; it\u2019s not an indication of offence or illegality, but that\u2019s an astonishing number of calls in a five-year period. That\u2019s a 34 percent increase, and there has been a 34 percent increase in the number of people charged with unauthorised street racing since 2019.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ESome of the behaviours I\u2019ve talked about already constitute criminal conduct, but the problem is our current suite of offences and penalties are clearly not enough to deter those people. Our view is police need the right tools, especially at large events where they may be dealing with hundreds of people and hundreds of vehicles, and they need to enforce the law effectively. This bill strengthens existing offences, introduces some new ones, and gives police and the courts greater powers to respond to antisocial road use. The goal of the bill is simple: to deter dangerous behaviour; make our roads safer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe legislative statement sets out the key policy changes, and I do want to highlight them for the House. I also want to acknowledge the good work of my colleagues, Mark Mitchell, Minister of Police, and Paul Goldsmith, Minister of Justice, who I\u2019ve been working with on this bill to get it to this stage. The heart of the bill is a presumptive sentence of vehicle forfeiture or forfeiture and destruction when offenders commit certain antisocial road use offences. Right now, the law usually only allows this after someone\u2019s been caught three times in four years for behaviours like street racing, burnouts, or fleeing police; it\u2019s basically a three-strikes regime. This legislation changes that. In most cases, courts will be required to order the vehicle be forfeited or destroyed after just one offence. This sends a really powerful message: if you use your car to intimidate and endanger others, you risk losing it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228ba11b3f-65ea-4f86-92e4-fe78ea522647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a13d69dc526e4e5598a2fe540ea181cc\u0022\u003EDana Kirkpatrick\u003C/span\u003E: Don\u2019t be a dick.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f901c63e51ee41bb8ea65b757430fd3b\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: By taking vehicles that are used for dangerous activities off the road, it will protect the safety and wellbeing of New Zealanders. Yeah, and as my colleague the member for the East Coast, says, \u201CDon\u2019t be a dick.\u201D\u2014it pretty much sums it up. Don\u2019t be a dick with your car, and, if you do, expect the law will come after you. New Zealanders are sick and tired of idiotic street racers putting themselves ahead of other law-abiding New Zealanders and the safety and neighbourliness of our communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThere are safeguards to help ensure consistency with the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990. For the presumptive sentence to apply, offenders must own or have an interest in the vehicle used in the offence or be the registered person. This ensures that vehicle owners are not punished for others\u2019 poor behaviour, particularly when their vehicle has been stolen. We have also provided some discretion for the courts not to order vehicle forfeiture if they consider it to be manifestly unjust or cause undue hardship, or if the vehicle was stolen at the time an offence was committed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThere are also new or strengthened antisocial road use offences. The presumptive sentence will not only apply to street racing, burnout activity, and fleeing police, but also to a new offence for participating in an intimidating convoy. People can be charged with the intimidating convoy offence if they participate in antisocial road use behaviour or otherwise drive recklessly or dangerously as part of a group of two or more vehicles, with the intent to intimidate or frighten road users. Police report these events are not frequent, but they do have serious consequences. For example, you may recall the violent assault of a motorist on the Waikato Expressway. Three members of the Tribesmen were arrested and charged with wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm. This new offence sends a clear message: the Government has no tolerance for dangerous and intimidating drivers, and those drivers will face serious consequences. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe bill also establishes a presumptive sentence for the offence where registered owners of vehicles withhold information from police that could help identify a driver that flees police. We\u2019re broadening the existing offence so it applies to the full spectrum of antisocial road use offences, not only fleeing drivers. We expect that, in effect, the strengthened offence will disincentivise owners from lending their vehicle when they suspect it could be used for antisocial road use activities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI also want to draw the House\u2019s attention to a further amendment that will raise the infringement penalty for creating excessive vehicle noise, which is currently just 50 bucks, to $300, and the court fine from $1,000 to $3,000. This is not just harmless fun. Loud vehicle noise is a nuisance, and there are people around this country who are fed up with sleepless nights, feeling unsafe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c08af1c456df42e0a007ba22dce7b639\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: And it shouldn\u2019t be criminal law. It\u2019s public law for a reason.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264a8b3933e2f419c9a17695b99785609\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223cc9806d-f7ef-4e23-a218-442f20bf8591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221c86c0ad73943c0b2b2107d05cde7d1\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s public law for a reason. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c86307ab9cb74dd29a4297d41075e2cc\u0022\u003ETamatha Paul\u003C/span\u003E: It shouldn\u2019t be in criminal law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c28a417ed2414e128a1aedeea43f9700\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, it shouldn\u2019t be criminal law? OK, well, you\u2019re entitled to that view, and I look forward to you explaining that view. I think members of the public will be intrigued to learn that the Greens don\u2019t think that excessive noise in a public place should be subject to the criminal law. There are plenty of people, as I\u2019ve just said, round the country who are kept up all night by stupid boy racers engaging in siren battles in residential neighbourhoods; who have done a hard day at work and have come home and want to have a quiet beer on the deck and then go to bed at a reasonable hour and do not wish to be staying up till 3 a.m. in the morning listening to sirens going back and forwards by gangs of street racers engaging in what they consider to be fun behaviour. That\u2019s fine. People are entitled to their fun, apart from when that \u201Cfun\u201D impacts on the quiet, peace, and enjoyment of other people in residential neighbourhoods. So we make no apologies for cracking down on this behaviour, and the Greens can explain to the New Zealand public why they\u2019re OK with that kind of behaviour, if they would like. I\u2019m looking forward to having that debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe number of people charged with having noisy equipment in a vehicle has increased from 38 in 2013 to 59 in 2023. We think the limits and the penalties need to be higher. People need to think twice before\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0c38dc6cad7448f82308e4216442a37\u0022\u003ETamatha Paul\u003C/span\u003E: What a nanny State.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022947042bea5864c319398fc00d0ec4017\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Nanny State\u2014goodness gracious me\u2014nanny State. OK, good luck with that one. You don\u2019t even believe in the police, so I\u2019m not even sure how you\u2019d\u2014the enforcement of this law would be difficult in a Green Party world, and they don\u2019t even believe in the police.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EOne of the things the Minister of Police has said to me is that one of the biggest challenges is dealing with events where multiple vehicles are involved in antisocial behaviour, and people will have seen these events with hundreds of people watching. They need the right powers to manage these situations safely and effectively. So the bill introduces new powers for police to temporarily close roads or public spaces to vehicles when these events happen or when there\u2019s good reason to believe one is about to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe bill establishes a $1,000 infringement fine for failing to leave when directed by the police. Court-ordered fines can be up to $3,000. Fines apply whether you\u2019re a participant or a bystander. It\u2019s about giving the police practical tools to intervene and disperse gatherings before they escalate. These are targeted, proportionate, and focused on a very specific type of behaviour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWe are not targeting legal road events or responsible car enthusiasts. I acknowledge and respect the rich car culture that exists across New Zealand, but what this legislation does is target the small number of idiots who\u2019ve treated our roads like a playground for disruptive, dangerous, and intimidating behaviour. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022 data-id=\u002243f21d6bb68349f58876c024d1d43185\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002243f21d6bb68349f58876c024d1d43185\u0022\u003ETANGI UTIKERE (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Labour Party will be supporting this bill through to select committee, and that\u2019s because it is a bill that does seek to address what is a real issue in communities all around New Zealand. But, at the same time, we do have a responsibility to ensure that the legislation is fair, that it\u2019s effective, and that it\u2019s proportionate as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EI am surprised to hear from the Minister, who is the transport Minister, that this is going to the Justice Committee. I think most members of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee here assumed, because he is the transport Minister, that it was going to that particular committee, but we\u2019ll get to that particular point in a moment. I\u2019m also concerned, though, that what appears to be a shortened report-back period for what are some pretty serious considerations that the select committee will need to turn its mind to around impinging on the rights and responsibilities of others as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003ECommunities all around New Zealand are increasingly affected by a number of issues but, in particular, around illegal street racing, dirt bike gatherings, and what could be perceived as intimidation in the form of vehicle convoys. Quite simply, \u201Cboy racers\u201D and what is illegal street racing cannot simply hold communities to ransom. I know that the Minister has referred to and referenced Horowhenua, and I know Mayor Bernie Wanden down there has been very vocal about the real disruption and concern that that has meant for his local community. Talking with the police in that community as well, what is clear is that they do need some tools in the toolkit to be able to deliver exactly that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EThis is a bill that will seek to deliver some tools, but whether they\u2019re able to be deployed effectively or not will be one of the issues that the select committee will need to turn its mind to. Just one example is the power that would be given to police to basically clear and temporarily close a public space. Now, everyone in this country has an ability to use public spaces, and so the limitation that the police would be imposing has a very clear impact on the ability of an individual to gather in a particular space. One of the issues I think that will be very important is where that threshold lies\u2014what evidence the police need to have before they exercise that judgment and basically enact that piece of legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EI do hope that the Attorney-General\u2014who actually seems to be adopting a fairly consistent approach to legislation, identifying what some of the issues are\u2014does turn her mind to some of those aspects so that would inform the conversations that the select committee will have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EOne of the aspects of this particular bill will also require those who own a registered vehicle to assist the police in identifying drivers who might be involved in what are perceived as antisocial offences. Now, there needs to be some very tight framework around which that would be actually initiated to ensure that it was fair and reasonable in terms of the expectations that would be placed on someone. We all have circumstances and situations where a registered owner of a motor vehicle perhaps is asked to provide the identity of someone and they\u2019re not able to. Now, there are other offences in legislation that provide a statutory defence or a statutory \u201Cout\u201D for registered owners in that circumstance. Getting some consistency I think would be very, very important there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003ESome of the aspects that this bill will need to tease out are, for example, the potential disproportionate impacts on M\u0101ori, Pacific, and low-income communities. I mean, this is something that the Transport and Infrastructure Committee turned its mind to when it came to drug driving instances\u2014how we could consider what that might look like for M\u0101ori and Pacific communities and others as well. There is some consistency there, but I do hope that the select committee will turn its mind to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EThis is a bill that, as I say, the Labour Party will be supporting through to select committee. There are a number of issues that do need to be ironed out as part of that process, but, fundamentally, what we want is to ensure that the police have the right tools, that they\u2019re able to deploy them where they\u2019re able to, and also that the community is protected from this ongoing sense of nonsense and antisocialness that does pervade some aspects of the community. So, on this basis, we commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022 data-id=\u00227e8ff7f83c7b4d12a5581c2537de4456\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227e8ff7f83c7b4d12a5581c2537de4456\u0022\u003ETAMATHA PAUL (Green\u2014Wellington Central):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Speaker. I want to begin by acknowledging that it is really important for people to drive responsibly, and that cars, when they are being controlled by people who have negative and bad intentions, can be deadly, and that cars can be used as weapons. I won\u2019t be the only one in this room that has seen videos on social media of people using cars as weapons on the streets, as well. So I can understand that it is reasonable for the public to want to see action on making sure that dangerous and reckless driving is under control.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EBut there was actually something that the Minister said in his speech introducing this bill, which was, \u201Cthe problem is our current suite of offences and penalties are clearly not enough to deter those people.\u201D We oppose this bill on the basis that we don\u2019t believe that this bill will increase people\u2019s knowledge or adherence to these new laws, because it relies on the assumption that people understand that these things are against the law or what penalties they carry. It\u2019s the myth of deterrence; it\u2019s existed for a long time, and we think that it\u2019s not the basis of good lawmaking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EObviously, antisocial driving does impact road safety. It\u2019s a tricky one, because there isn\u2019t a heap of data on how often this happens in relation to the way it is defined in this bill, and there is no clear evidence that these laws are in fact needed. Police already have the power to impound vehicles, to fine people for excessive noise, and to close roads. They already have those powers. They exist. These crimes are already outlined within our law. The problem that the Minister himself identified is that people aren\u2019t aware of them and people aren\u2019t adhering to them. We\u2019re quick to rush to a criminal response to behaviour that fairly and reasonably makes people feel unsafe. However, we\u2019re not sure that this is the best way to go about achieving roads and streets that are safe for everybody, at all times of the day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EOne of the challenges, too, that this bill identifies is that some of the tools that exist can\u2019t be quickly or effectively accessed, and that\u2019s an issue that this bill actually does nothing to fix. Instead, it reaches for heavy-handed measures that limit judicial discretion, which we have consistently been opposed to across criminal bills. It expands police powers to close public areas and to potentially breach human rights, around the rights of association, freedom of assembly, and other rights under the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act\u2014and that is a bottom line for us when it comes to laws and bills that affect people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EBut, most importantly, who does this bill affect? There was a really awesome article that I found from Joel McManus when he was writing for Stuff, and it was called \u201CThe faces of fatal police chases\u201D, which showed that teenagers make up half of all victims of fatal police pursuits in New Zealand. That is a consequence of adopting an approach like this to curbing this behaviour; it is one that escalates situations rather than de-escalates situations, and the consequences of it is that rangatahi are harmed and also lose their lives. I mean, we have all seen the stories of 12-year-olds, 13-year-olds, 15-year-olds who are killed in pursuit by police. That is a fact; that is not an opinion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EThe people who will be impacted by this bill\u2014make no mistakes\u2014are young M\u0101ori men. In 2023, M\u0101ori made-up around half of those charged with fleeing police. It\u2019s not about the behaviour; it\u2019s about systemic bias, and the fact that the Understanding Police Delivery report identified that when there is too much discretion\u2014our police and their behaviour and their discharging of that discretion\u2014it disproportionately negatively impacts M\u0101ori. That is the systemic bias and systemic racism that exists in our police force, that both the Minister and the Police Commissioner refuse to acknowledge its existence, despite the fact that it is grounded in facts and evidence. We are concerned that this bill will escalate heightened and dangerous situations rather than achieving what New Zealanders deserve, which is safe streets and to be free to navigate your cities and towns without fear of dangerous and reckless driving.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022 data-id=\u0022f14f422c6008455ab8c4cb402d369932\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f14f422c6008455ab8c4cb402d369932\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise on behalf of the ACT Party to speak in support of the Antisocial Road Use Legislation Amendment Bill. I\u2019d first like to make the observation that it\u2019s quite interesting to see the Green Party voting against a bill that\u2019ll crush more internal combustion cars. It\u2019s quite a bit of a surprise there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EThis bill addresses the issues with unsafe and, basically, disruptive and not really good, neighbourly actions by people on our roads, but it goes beyond that. At night, we have the noise. If you go out into the country, you see blackened intersections, and sometimes you see the aftermath of a car in a ditch. You hear the sirens following those loud cars around town. That\u2019s the kind of antisocial, disruptive behaviour that this bill is seeking to target. These actions put the community not just in a situation where their wellbeing is being impacted but also it risks their safety.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EI have heard too many times from people talking about police chases from one side of an opinion, saying they should happen more and some saying they should happen less. Really, they should not be needing to happen. There should be a consequence for fleeing drivers. There should be a state of affairs in New Zealand where police can follow those drivers and bring it to an end, and not abandon pursuit to later find a car on its roof with a 14-year-old inside. That is not what we need to be doing in New Zealand. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EThis bill goes about standardising some of the impoundment fees to make sure that cars are taken off people who have proven they are unable to drive them. Yes, people who are being pulled over should know the rules, in reply to the previous speaker Tamatha Paul\u2019s speech. If you\u2019re going to be on the road, you must have a licence; you must demonstrate you know what the rules are. This is not about education; this is about punishing antisocial behaviour, just going about and disturbing the communities. These are sensible steps.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to acknowledge that this bill is bringing in some more enforcement powers, and some members of our community might feel uncomfortable with that. Well, we are going to the select committee. The Minister has given some assurances on this bill and said that some of the measures guard our property rights and civil liberties, but members of the public might want to talk about the effectiveness of this law at select committee, and whether it\u2019s proportionate and whether it\u2019s fair. I would think that anybody with an experience that they\u2019d like to share should be coming to the select committee and helping us shape this law so that law-abiding people can have their rights protected. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cfc7092e-b202-4acf-aa9c-8aebd551cc39\u0022\u003EPeople who are going about making New Zealand a less attractive place to let your family out on the street at night should be held to account. I endorse this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022 data-id=\u00227ecfd42f12e843f583f5647f72dba802\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227ecfd42f12e843f583f5647f72dba802\u0022\u003EANDY FOSTER (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to support the bill, which is all about keeping law-abiding New Zealanders safe. It\u2019s also about being clear that there are some antisocial behaviours\u2014and this is the title that\u2019s about antisocial behaviour\u2014that are wrong, and when behaviours are wrong, there have got to be some consequences. This Government has been saying that we want to see consequences for a range of behaviours, and you might think about this bill but also, say, for example, K\u0101inga Ora tenants who are terrorising their neighbours. There has to be a consequence from that to look after the law-abiding neighbours, and we, as a Government, are on the side of the people who are law-abiding, not on the side of the people who are causing problems, who are behaving in an antisocial way, and who are breaking the law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003EIt was interesting to listen to the Green Party\u2019s opposition to this bill\u2014very sad. They seem to be allying themselves with the people who misbehave rather than the people who just want to get on and live their lives in peace and security. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003ELook, let\u2019s be clear: we don\u2019t want antisocial behaviour. Society works best where everybody behaves and where everybody obeys that second commandment, which is to do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If people look after each other, people respect each other, we are a much better society, but when people step out of line, when people behave in a way which is calculatedly antisocial, and when they break the law, there have to be consequences, and this is what this bill is about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003EIt creates some new offences, particularly that one of a taking part in a \u201Cfrightening or intimidating convoy\u201D. You can imagine there being 100 cars or 200 cars, a lot of noise, a lot of people\u2014that is going to be quite intimidating and quite scary for any community that it goes through. It gives the police some more tools to be able to deal with these situations. It means that there is a much easier path. The onus is on the owner of a car to have to identify to the police who is driving the car if it is not them, and that helps the police in getting on with their job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003EAlso, we heard some concerns from the Greens about this temporarily closing areas from the public, and, generally speaking, that\u2019s not something you would want to do. But I want you to consider the example of the situation which occurred in Levin less than two months ago, where the article here talks about saying there were \u201CTwelve further arrests\u201D\u2014this was TVNZ\u2014which \u201Chave been made following a boy racer event in Levin on King\u2019s Birthday Weekend that injured police \u2026 members of the public and damaged police vehicles. It brings the total number of arrests to 22 from the May 30 event, where an estimated crowd of 1,000\u201D\u20141,000 people\u2014\u201Cgathered in the town\u2014performing skids, burnouts, and other driving offences while spectators threw fireworks.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003ENow, that is not socially acceptable behaviour. That is what this bill is about. We\u2019re trying to make sure we can get on top of and deal with that so that we look after communities like the community of Levin, and I am looking forward to the submission which I\u2019m sure will be made on this on behalf of the Horowhenua District Council to say, \u201CGood stuff. We want this bill passed.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First believes in those basic conservative values: law and order, community safety, community standards, and respect for our fellow people. I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022 data-id=\u00226b53b134ec2b4254832be34150e90a47\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f429fecb-a955-4d95-8105-e5144e651204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226b53b134ec2b4254832be34150e90a47\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s a pleasure to rise and take a call on this bill. This is a law and order Government, and our goal is to make our streets and our communities safer. That is why we have this law, the \u201Cboy racer legislation\u201D, looking at cracking down on boy racers. Boy racers are not a new phenomenon; they have been around for many decades. In fact, I remember, growing up in working-class East Auckland, being able to actually see for myself these events\u2014not actually driving them, but I\u2019ve known a few boy racers, and I\u2019ve seen how unsafe these events are up close. Can I tell you, these events are dangerous, but they are also a nuisance to the public of New Zealand. That\u2019s why we\u2019ve got this bill to crack down on those activities. This is a good bill. Simply put, our message to those who engage in this is: don\u2019t be a dick. As my colleague Dana Kirkpatrick said, don\u2019t be a dick, drive lawfully, respect each other, respect the roads. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022 data-id=\u002297ec3d47b6fd4b478ca90f5ef71eea3d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297ec3d47b6fd4b478ca90f5ef71eea3d\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. Look, Labour will be supporting this bill, and I look forward to it coming to the Justice Committee. That was a bit of a surprise; I thought it would go to transport. But the Justice Committee will look forward to hearing the submissions from many New Zealanders who all want our streets to be safer, who all want to be able to sleep through the night without someone doing a doughnut at the end of your road in those same areas. We know that there are hot spots across New Zealand that, because of the way that the road is laid out, lend themselves to street racing or boy racer gatherings, and those areas are the ones that suffer the most. I know where they are in the Hutt Valley, and the residents around those areas are consistently wanting more to be done in this space. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EWe look forward to seeing if this bill works any better than the last one National did, which was back in about 2009 or 2010, and back then that was the legislation that got Minister Judith Collins her name \u201CCrusher Collins\u201D. I think the mark or the challenge for this bill is can it beat that previous bill, and it won\u2019t be hard because I think there were two cars crushed under that previous legislation. There were a number of reasons why the promise of crushing cars was not delivered, and some of those were around the ownership of the vehicle and who the vehicle was registered to. It was also around having clauses in there such as hardship, which meant that in court the result was that the car was not confiscated or crushed as promised at the time. We\u2019ll be looking closely at the details of this legislation to understand whether or not it will meet the same pitfalls as the previous attempt to get on top of illegal street racing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EThe interesting point when speaking to police officers who are involved in this space is that they will always say it\u2019s great to have more tools in the kit, but the most effective way of getting on top of illegal street racing is being able to have the front-line resource to consistently police those hotspots, to be able to have the personnel to go into those areas at those times and consistently enforce the law. Police will tell you there are many ways you can use the law right now to do that effectively, but the main reason that that\u2019s not occurring in parts of New Zealand is because there is an incredible strain on the front line to respond to crime. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003EWhen you see our police around the country being asked to go to Northland\u201490 police officers being put up into Northland to get on top of what is a methamphetamine crime wave happening in those areas\u2014it is a real concern that there is insufficient front-line capacity to be able to implement the existing legislation we have around illegal street racing. That is why this Government\u2019s promise for 500 additional police officers has not yet been met, and that failure to deliver on 500 will make this legislation even more difficult to be able to have the results so desired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ENovember is rolling around very quickly. That is the date that National promised they would have 500 additional police officers. I think we have about 13 to track. It goes up and down depending on attrition. But the key way of getting on top of illegal street racing is having regular, consistent application of the law and having police officers able to do that. When we see it at select committee, we will be asking those questions to make sure\u2014it\u2019s well and good to be expanding the tool kit, but if you do not have the workforce in place to be able to implement the law and be able to enforce the law, then you\u2019re wasting your time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c21f4beb-20c4-4b12-bc6f-fdc931e2dc96\u0022\u003ESo this sounds good. We\u2019re encouraged that it might be better than the last one they tried under Judith Collins. We look forward to hearing submitters from right across New Zealand as to how this law can work effectively to keep our streets safe and also make sure that those communities that get kept up at night, have children awake at night, and have unsafe streets\u2014that we can actually get a piece of legislation that is going to work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022587eeeae-8af5-4e11-ac7f-a7690f9c7c3a\u0022 data-id=\u0022c46c0cbf58d5422fbb095a61de1b86da\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587eeeae-8af5-4e11-ac7f-a7690f9c7c3a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c46c0cbf58d5422fbb095a61de1b86da\u0022\u003EDr CARLOS CHEUNG (National\u2014Mt Roskill):\u003C/span\u003E New Zealanders are proud of what Liam Lawson is achieving on the world stage in Formula One\u2014a young Kiwi representing us with skills, discipline, and professionalism. We celebrate his success and the example he sets. But, back home, we are sick of boy racers and illegal dirt bike riders, who are doing the opposite: putting life at risk, damaging public properties, and terrorising communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587eeeae-8af5-4e11-ac7f-a7690f9c7c3a\u0022\u003EIn Mt Roskill, I\u2019ve received complaints from constituents about illegal dirt bike riders, and I\u2019ve seen them myself: dangerous riding through streets, across Keith Hay Park, and even over the cricket pitch. These actions are a serious danger to our public safety.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587eeeae-8af5-4e11-ac7f-a7690f9c7c3a\u0022\u003EThis bill gives police the power to shut down the illegal convoys, close roads, issue fines, and introduce a presumptive court order sentence of vehicle forfeiture and destruction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587eeeae-8af5-4e11-ac7f-a7690f9c7c3a\u0022\u003EIf you choose to abuse the road, you may lose your vehicle. Let\u2019s support those who race with respect, not those who endanger our communities. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c46de55f-b9e4-4c64-9ac6-877bd89c2fc5\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad0faae9703f4e2390042b98326efccb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46de55f-b9e4-4c64-9ac6-877bd89c2fc5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad0faae9703f4e2390042b98326efccb\u0022\u003EDr TRACEY McLELLAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. The Antisocial Road Use Legislation Amendment Bill\u2014we will be supporting it, as has previously been noted. I just want to acknowledge it from a local perspective as well, because the communities in Banks Peninsula electorate have had enough of dangerous, selfish, and, quite frankly, idiotic behaviour on the roads in that particular area. I sympathise with them, particularly the people around Governors Bay, for example, who\u2014it\u2019s a very popular circuit for antisocial road use, and it\u2019s quite distressing to be inside your house and wondering if the noise of those cars is going to come crashing through. People should be able to feel safe on their properties, in their own homes, whether they\u2019re walking on their streets or driving on their roads, without the fear of being targeted by antisocial drivers. Boy racers, fleeing drivers, intimidating convoys\u2014all of these things\u2014are not harmless fun; they\u2019re incredibly serious. It\u2019s reckless. It is, in fact, antisocial, and it puts people at risk, and it puts lives at risk.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46de55f-b9e4-4c64-9ac6-877bd89c2fc5\u0022\u003EAs has been stated, we will be supporting this bill. We think it\u2019s a step forward. It\u2019s not a perfect bill. There\u2019s plenty of things for the Justice Committee to take into account when it is their turn to look at it. But, here and now, today, we do support the bill. I do want to say that with one big caveat, because passing laws is, obviously, only half the job. If we want these powers to work and if we want the tools proposed in this bill to be effective, then we have to make sure that the police are actually there to enforce them. That\u2019s where I have some serious concerns, because while this Government is turning up the penalties, as it is with this bill, it\u2019s also turning down local policing resources\u2014in particular, in areas that are affected by antisocial drivers, like Lyttelton and the Whakaraup\u014D area. Right now, there is a proposal to cut police officers in Lyttelton, leaving just one single point of contact for that whole area. This isn\u2019t an abstract policy change. From August last year to August this year, there were 125 victimisation incidents in Lyttelton alone: break-ins, graffiti, vehicle thefts\u2014dozens more across both Diamond Harbour and Governors Bay. When I\u2019ve spoken to people about this issue, locals said that when they call for help, they deserve to know that someone is close by and can respond quickly, noting, of course, that those police officers that are currently based in Lyttelton are first responders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46de55f-b9e4-4c64-9ac6-877bd89c2fc5\u0022\u003ELocal policing matters, and, as my colleague Hon Ginny Andersen has just said, the proof of this bill will be in the pudding, as so far as the resourcing that\u2019s available to actually make it work. It\u2019s about relationships with local policing, and when you remove that\u2014when you remove those relationships because you\u2019ve cut local policing\u2014you lose a critical line in the defence of local policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46de55f-b9e4-4c64-9ac6-877bd89c2fc5\u0022\u003ESo, yes, Labour will support the bill. We think that it certainly seeks to address something that is a real problem, and it gives police the tools that we assume that they will need. There will be some interesting conversations to be had at the select committee process. But I do want to reiterate that you can\u2019t just pass a bill, take the proverbial photo op, and then strip out the very officers who are supposed to be the ones to enforce it. Certainly, in Banks Peninsula, people don\u2019t just want stronger laws, and they don\u2019t just want extra tools; they also want to know that those laws are enforced, and that means a strong local police presence and a Government that\u2019s actually willing to back it with not just words but with resources. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c46de55f-b9e4-4c64-9ac6-877bd89c2fc5\u0022\u003EQuite frankly, if this Government was, in fact, serious about protecting communities from antisocial drivers, Christopher Luxon would be focusing on delivering those 500 new police officers that he\u2019s promised and has so far failed to deliver.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022 data-id=\u0022fa1f5c67d3fc43c08655e72c81b38e1d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002239b9bac1-a992-4ccf-a473-9591aeb3a298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fa1f5c67d3fc43c08655e72c81b38e1d\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I\u2019m just going to cut to the chase here. It really is a pleasure to rise and speak on this bill. For many years, with my doorknocking around South Auckland, East Auckland, and Takanini, so many people and so many of our gentlemen have said, \u201CSo what are you going to do about these boy racers?\u201D, and to them, I say that the National-led Government is cracking down on this reckless, dangerous, antisocial behaviour. I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229a251b1d21ab4215bc60ccdd4f9ae81c\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Antisocial Road Use Legislation Amendment Bill be now read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 102\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 11;\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First\u00A08.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 20\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000450\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000451\u0022\u003EBill referred to the Justice Committee.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022dede51cf3cb341e0aff2c744ebd25ef5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dede51cf3cb341e0aff2c744ebd25ef5\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Resource Management (Consenting and Other System Changes) Amendment Bill and the Local Government (Water Services) Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f313d77938344ebe92f801f57e2a385a\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225d42a35e18af47fc821f142a2358820a\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u00228cde4a0642534729ae37138a2337977d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228cde4a0642534729ae37138a2337977d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee on the Resource Management (Consenting and Other System Changes) Amendment Bill and the Local Government (Water Services) Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022edff0377e45c4f27a0e912080f041869\u0022\u003EResource Management (Consenting and Other System Changes) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002263303fcbb5d5410089749a5e9b616b1e\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00227816fe440fa74977a46ed61f452dfcd2\u0022\u003EPart 1  Amendments to principal Act (except schedules)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022abc3e0567d824596aef063375b126c4f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022abc3e0567d824596aef063375b126c4f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come first to the Resource Management (Consenting and Other System Changes) Amendment Bill. Members, we come now to Part 1. This is the debate on clauses 4 to 69, \u201CAmendments to principal Act (except schedules)\u201D. The question is that Part 1 stand part. The Hon Dr Rachel Brooking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u00223b3663ab71b146698dcb3a1f1c79be78\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223b3663ab71b146698dcb3a1f1c79be78\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you. I\u2019m not a doctor, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f82309707a3047b3bacde72b881d73dd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, the Hon Rachel Brooking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9331dbeb3534b998f18ea65d9083305\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING\u003C/span\u003E: And I probably never will be, but thank you. It requires far too much patience. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003ENow, what I\u2019d like to comment on, first, is that this morning, a very large Amendment Paper went up on the legislation website, and that is Amendment Paper 347. It\u2019s a Government Amendment Paper in the name of the Minister responsible for RMA Reform, and it goes through the whole bill as if the select committee\u2019s version was the clean bill, and then it\u2019s tracked in some changes on to the select committee\u2019s version. I think that\u2019s what\u2019s happening, and it would be good for the Minister to comment on that, as well, for clarification. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThen, of course, there are many amendments. The Green Party, in particular, have got a big stash of amendments that were made on the bill as reported back from the select committee. I\u2019ve got a couple, one on the Government amendment and one on the bill as reported back from the select committee. Because we\u2019ve only got that just today, I\u2019m working off two different documents\u2014one is the bill as reported back, and one is the Minister\u2019s main Amendment Paper\u2014so there might be a bit of paper shuffling as we go through. I note as well that the Minister has, at this stage\u2014when I last checked\u2014one amendment on his amendment, and that relates to clause 15, which amends section 70, and which is a controversial part of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EI also want to note before asking specific questions that the amendments in the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper that we\u2019ve seen just today are substantial. They are substantive and, whilst some of them have been signalled by policy statements, we of course don\u2019t know what we\u2019re going to see until we see the bill. These changes have not been through any public process, so I take that to mean that the Minister will go through them in a considered way and answer questions so that they are on Hansard. But this is a terrible way to make laws. It\u2019s very frustrating when you have been through a select committee process and have asked about the wording of different phrases and made amendments in the select committee process, to see that all upended on the day of the committee stage of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003ENow, I will acknowledge that the Minister has worked on a couple of the issues that are in the Amendment Paper and has been telling people about the work that he\u2019s been doing on that\u2014in particular with regard to the changes to the Auckland intensification provisions; they changed in the select committee report-back and now they\u2019ve been further changed in the Amendment Paper. But other things are certainly not matters that have arisen, and one of those includes now, in his Amendment Paper, thermal electricity\u2014so coal and gas\u2014and the faster ways that you have to get consent through this bill. When the bill that was introduced, and in everything I\u2019ve heard about the bill, the Minister has always focused on how this is going to help renewable generation. We are all for helping renewable generation, but that is not coal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll start with those comments, and I think\u2014and I haven\u2019t yet talked to my Green colleagues\u2014that we will likely want to work through the bill clause by clause, referring both to the bill as reported back from the select committee, and then the Minister\u2019s amendments where they\u2019re relevant, and it is helpful that they\u2019ve been track-changed in that way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EAlso, I would like to confirm that we\u2019re discussing Part 1 of the bill, and so all of the schedules\u2014and that relates to the substantive revisions to the planned changes for Auckland, Christchurch, and also now Wellington\u2014are in Part 2 of the debate. They are linked to Part 1 provisions, but we\u2019ll spend more time on those in Part 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EComing then to the definitions section, in clause 4, there is this change in \u201Cspecified energy activity\u201D. Now, the Minister has included this: \u201C(ca) the establishment, operation, maintenance, or upgrade of thermal electricity generation facilities:\u201D. So a couple of questions\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bafac768d0c4d0e9127d92bd1878f82\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Your time has expired. Do you want to take another call?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022701f14ede3be424a97106fed58f0f00b\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you\u2014sorry. Just a couple of questions on this point. One is: how does he justify that, given everything that was said about the bill being to promote renewable energy? Then: has he considered amending that so that it just refers to firming and peaking rather than run-of-the-mill electricity generation from burning coal? That is my first question, and, along with if he could confirm how his Amendment Paper works\u2014if I\u2019ve got that right\u2014that would be helpful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00227b3d346671654dbfae27c22c97b8ced5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b3d346671654dbfae27c22c97b8ced5\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E I thank the member for her questions. She is right that the Amendment Paper that the Government has tabled has not gone through select committee process; however, in mitigation, most of the changes in the Amendment Paper have been publicly announced\u2014in some cases, a couple of months, if not earlier, than today, so members have had a good opportunity to kick those issues around. As the member herself adverts to through her remarks, we\u2019ve been engaged in this backwards and forwards between the Government and the Auckland Council in relation to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240db58d8d48e44009dd94a639cb6a88c\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: Can you speak into the mic more?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285264f4ce0c6440a9200561eaeabe82e\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, sorry, you can\u2019t hear?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3ea59eb6ff94a99ad76d9bb93ba85b2\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: No. Can you put it up a bit higher?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022165297b1d08e4f3b85bbce482901f7a5\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll speak louder. Sorry, my apologies\u2014as the member may know, I\u2019m somewhat under the weather, but such is the importance of this bill, here I am, ploughing through. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EAs the member knows, the Government\u2019s been engaged in a bit of a bit of backward and forward with Auckland Council in relation to Plan Change 78, and the way the timing worked, decisions around that were made after the bill was in the process of being reported back. I think we\u2019ve reached a good accommodation around the ability to withdraw Plan Change 78, with a requirement for the council to notify new plan change by October with capacity equivalent to that which was unlocked by Plan Change 78, and there\u2019s ancillary changes around the City Rail Link stations. We can kick that around if members would like.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIn relation to the issue that the member raises around clause 4 and around specified energy generation, the Government\u2019s taken the view that it\u2019s an inclusive regime in the sense that we want renewables to be quicker, but we also want all forms of electricity generation to be quicker\u2014and so, ultimately, the market will build what the market builds. So we\u2019re not closing off renewables. In fact, I want to see more renewables. In fact, one of the key purposes of this bill and in the complimentary changes we\u2019re making to national direction around renewable electricity generation\u2014national policy statement\u2014is to see more renewables bought on stream quicker. But it is also an axiomatic truth that we need good firming and peaking capacity and, indeed, thermal generation, because as the old saying goes, when the wind doesn\u2019t blow and the light levels are low and the sun don\u2019t shine, the one thing the New Zealand electricity system absolutely needs is thermal electricity generation. That\u2019s not necessarily something that everyone likes, but I\u2019ll tell you what we also don\u2019t like, and that\u2019s the lights going off. That would be the single surefire way to bring this New Zealand economy to its knees. So the bill as proposed now through this Amendment Paper will include thermal as part of that more streamlined, quicker process. I think that\u2019s a sensible change. You know, members are entitled to disagree, obviously, but we think that\u2019s a sensible change to make.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022 data-id=\u002290ec1b45c4a745d780be8df76c330593\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290ec1b45c4a745d780be8df76c330593\u0022\u003ELAN PHAM (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I want to share my colleague\u2019s absolute frustration and disappointment about these last-minute amendments, particularly as a member of the Environment Committee. A great many of the changes that are in these amendments were discussed at select committee, and I\u2019d really love to hear from the Minister about what role he sees select committees actually playing\u2014just broadly\u2014in the development of legislation, and particularly quite substantial legislation like this. It\u2019s a genuine question, because what we\u2019re seeing, and what it appears to be, is a real concentration of executive decision-making which is coming through at the last minute and applies in many places throughout these amendments that have been put in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EWe know that this process has been rushed. We know that officials have been under a lot of pressure and that the consultation that went into this is minor\u2014if not completely lacking, in some instances\u2014particularly when it comes to these Amendment Papers. So I\u2019d really like to hear from the Minister, particularly with this bill, where it sits in terms of being an interim, essentially, holding pattern till we get, or the Government gets, to their substantive resource management changes later in the year or the term or whenever that may be. Why has the Minister made these such short-notice changes, and how does he see the role of select committees, particularly when, presumably, we will be going into that more substantive phase with the next bill? I\u2019d really like to hear that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EThe other aspect I\u2019d like to touch on initially is just to do with, on page 7, the commencement clause\u2014this is page 7 of the bill, clause 2\u2014and I really agree with my colleagues, as well, that this does warrant a\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d41a6596527a4992abc87803bff9f976\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Just to note that the Commencement clause is a separate debate. This is the debate on\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a14b087c46974c3ba0e59a551ddc0d1d\u0022\u003ELAN PHAM\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, that\u2019s coming at the end\u2014apologies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f54f51958d54643b95e3d8b92c5cc43\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah. This is clauses 4 to 69, except the schedules. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9ff14af3bc244f781b4c1fe6e840585\u0022\u003ELAN PHAM\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. I forget that aspect. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022113b3a64c32643dd92c2cdc392cb8a68\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022113b3a64c32643dd92c2cdc392cb8a68\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you to the member Lan Pham for her question. I mean, the obvious point is I\u2019ve got a deep respect for the select committee process, as a person who sat on the select committee for nine years in Opposition and in Government. Select committees play an important role, and I thank the Environment Committee for their consideration of the bill. There are a number of suggested amendments to the bill that have been adopted by the House already, through the second reading process. The bill has been improved by the select committee consideration of it. Submissions were heard through the process, and a series of changes were made through the process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe member herself sat on the select committee, so she\u2019ll be aware of the changes made there, but\u2014as I\u2019ve indicated in my remarks to the Hon Rachel Brooking\u2014for a variety of reasons, the Government wants to make further changes to the bill. The Gordon Wilson Flats amendment, for example, is an example on the Amendment Paper where the Government has indicated they wish to make further changes. In fact, the member\u2019s colleague in her own party has an amendment in her own name to make further amendments \u00E0 la the Gordon Wilson amendment to other areas of Wellington or to other heritage buildings in Wellington that she wants to be delisted and to not be subject to the structures of the heritage provisions of the Resource Management Act. The member\u2019s own party colleague is advancing a similar amendment, which also hasn\u2019t been through the select committee process. So what\u2019s good for the goose, as they say, is, of course, good for the gander.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThere are important amendments that we wish to make through the committee of the whole House stage which are contained in the Amendment Paper, and we\u2019ve worked hard as we\u2019ve made decisions to announce those decisions as we\u2019ve gone along. In relation to the Auckland Plan Change 78 process, those decisions were decided and then announced some weeks ago. Likewise, the decisions around the planned stop powers that we wish to insert into the bill\u2014those were made and announced weeks ago. Likewise, the power for the Minister to intervene in council plans and modify or delete particular provisions in some circumstances\u2014again, those were announced some weeks ago. We stand by those decisions, and they lie on the floor of the House for debate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u0022fa8ad30bfe904c6086b603e1f05d7229\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fa8ad30bfe904c6086b603e1f05d7229\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Does the Minister understand that making an announcement as a Minister is different from having people look at the words on a page? That\u2019s my first question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThe second one is going back to this point of his changes on clause 4 and thermal electricity. In the Minister\u2019s response, he spoke of firming and peaking, so why then does this clause not specify firming and peaking rather than just run-of-the-mill burning of coal for electricity? That\u2019s the second question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThen the third question, going still on clause 4, the definition sections: there is an amendment to delete\u2014and it\u2019s in the name of Scott Willis; he might want to speak to this as well\u2014in \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D the \u201C(a) pipelines that distribute or transmit natural or manufactured gas:\u201D; has there been any consideration of that, given, as I was mentioning before, the way that this bill was promulgated was that it was to do better for renewable energy and that is not renewable energy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022c2dc64d6b4904f5daae97d1181ee71ea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c2dc64d6b4904f5daae97d1181ee71ea\u0022\u003ESCOTT WILLIS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, thank you to my colleague Rachel Brooking. I certainly would like to look at clause 4, the new definition of \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D, and I also want to reflect on the Minister responsible for RMA Reform\u2019s statement earlier that we will have a National Policy Statement for Renewable Electricity Generation. We\u2019ve had that claim made since this Government came into office. In fact, the National Policy Statement for Renewable Electricity Generation was to be delivered in June last year; it still hasn\u2019t been delivered. We have had the claim that we will have a national energy strategy delivered\u2014that was to be delivered in December last year; it still hasn\u2019t been delivered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EWhat we have here is claims that this Government wants to support new renewables but evidence that they\u2019ll do anything but. That\u2019s problematic. It\u2019s problematic because we, effectively, lose trust and faith that this Government will do what it says it\u2019s going to do, because it acts to the contrary of those statements. It hasn\u2019t delivered on any of the things that are going to speed up renewable generation, it has stopped efforts to reduce energy demand, and that has caused price rises for our most vulnerable. It\u2019s caused people in energy hardship to suffer even more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EWhen we see here, in clause 4, the new definition of \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D, the proposal that we\u2019ve put forward is that we delete \u201Cnatural or\u201D\u2014page 8, line 21. The reason we do this is because we all know\u2014and the Government, again, says it\u2019s going to meet climate targets and yet insists on putting fossil fuels back into our system. You either mean something or you don\u2019t, and that\u2019s the problem here. If you are saying you\u2019re going to meet climate targets, you take the fossil fuels out of the system; you don\u2019t put them back in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EWhat we\u2019ve got here is the Government saying it wants to ensure that there is natural gas. What this simple amendment proposes is that we take natural gas out\u2014and we all know what natural gas is: it\u2019s fossil gas. The simple thing this Government can do\u2014and I hope the Minister will take this on board; I would like the Minister to respond, please\u2014is delete \u201Cnatural or\u201D from clause 4, the new definition of \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D. It\u2019s a very simple amendment, and the reason why that is so important is that it will show that the Government will actually act on what it says it aims to do\u2014very, very simple.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EIf the Minister could respond to that, and we\u2019ll see where we get to in the next stage, but we\u2019ve got plenty more questions, because, unfortunately, from what we\u2019ve seen and what\u2019s been delivered, this isn\u2019t about what we\u2019re told it is about. It is also about enabling more fossil fuel infrastructure, and that is something that we don\u2019t need and that we need to move away from at pace. What we would like to see is the changes needed to make sure that we get the fossils out of our system and we enable our electricity to be generated from renewable sources and to be stored as well so that we can manage both baseload, firming, and peaking\u2014oh, sorry, that\u2019s three things. But if the Minister could respond, I\u2019d appreciate that. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u002263568e163ab042a9836992151ccfad68\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002263568e163ab042a9836992151ccfad68\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Well, as the member Scott Willis himself notes, we have a largely renewable system. On any given year, it\u2019s between 80 percent and 87 percent, and sometimes even close to 90 percent renewable, depending on the time of day and the particular time of the year, and that\u2019s a wonderful thing. It\u2019s something that all New Zealanders should celebrate. But we should also be very conscious of the fact that we have an energy shortage in this country. This is probably not the right time or place to get into the whys and wherefores of the oil and gas ban from 2018, but I will just say that\u2019s one of the most destructive public policy decisions that any Government has made in 50 years in New Zealand history, and we are now bearing the brunt of that today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWe\u2019re all in favour of new renewable electricity generation on this side of the House, and the bill will make a series of changes in order to support that\u2014for example, there\u2019s a maximum one-year time frame to consent applications for specified energy, including renewables. Members on the opposite side have said that they don\u2019t think that should apply to thermal generation. They\u2019re entitled to that view, but my view would be the opposite. It\u2019s an inclusive regime. It\u2019s not exclusive to thermal; it includes all forms of electricity generation, reflecting the fact that we have an energy shortage and we need all types of renewables. There\u2019s a default lapse period for applicants for renewable energy consents that goes from five to 10 years. It means that people have more time to use the consents. There\u2019s a 35-year consent duration for time-limited consents for renewable energy and longer-lived infrastructure, and I think those are all changes that will make it easier to consent renewables.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe member asked about the National Policy Statement for Renewable Electricity Generation. That is under consultation right now. Back in May, I think it was, the Government published a draft strengthened national policy statement (NPS) on renewables, alongside a new National Policy Statement for Infrastructure, which we\u2019ve never had before as part of the national direction suite of instruments sitting under the Resource Management Act (RMA). We\u2019ve never had one. Industry has been calling for one for 10 years, and so this Government is delivering one. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWe\u2019re also delivering a much more strengthened NPS on renewables. The current one\u2014as the member knows\u2014I think, dates from 2011. It\u2019s a pretty airy-fairy sort of two and a half or three pages, pie-in-the-sky, \u201CKumbaya\u201D, and mush document. It has not provided decision makers under the RMA with the clear direction that needs to be sent through the RMA system that renewable electricity generation is a national priority. It needs to be easier to consent a wind farm. It needs to be easier to consent a solar farm. It needs to be easier to consent geothermal electricity generation, and, of course, the great thing about geothermal is it\u2019s baseload power\u2014it goes straight into the grid. It goes like the clappers, and there\u2019s a bit of\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244967dc4-6cc7-4567-b8ef-cc3a9b354544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f0bb2500193944e38bdce81bf06926d8\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, it doesn\u2019t stop.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7ad6c29940747c49e5f992cdc8c36a3\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that\u2019s what \u201Cgoes like the clappers\u201D means\u2014yes, thank you for that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244967dc4-6cc7-4567-b8ef-cc3a9b354544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b366acc7eb142e0ac4e6719aa4c13e8\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: Common language. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233d30d70bc484b23abe610c60fcd82e1\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Right, OK. It does have fossil fuel emissions, actually. People sometimes forget that about geothermal, but it does. But it\u2019s a great technology, and I\u2019m pretty optimistic, frankly, about the deep geothermal, which we\u2019re also investigating\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244967dc4-6cc7-4567-b8ef-cc3a9b354544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d22632d30a484728bb7df53ea17c151f\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: They\u2019ve developed a carbon-neutral geothermal. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec0d671aa12043008cb101ea4ea88616\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, if you want to take a call, Mr McCallum, feel free. So I\u2019m pretty bullish on the deep geothermal prospects that are coming.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI understand where the member is coming from, but we\u2019re not proposing to adopt his amendments to delete thermal generation from the definition of \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D. We are advancing the renewables policy statement. My aim is to have that promulgated into law by the end of the year, alongside the other national direction changes we\u2019re making. By the way, it\u2019s the biggest change to national direction in the RMA\u2019s history, and the intention is that the changes we\u2019re making through that suite of changes will carry through into the new resource management system, which, of course, is subject to a separate process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022 data-id=\u00221a867b378b13499b80f15d7daa2529dd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221a867b378b13499b80f15d7daa2529dd\u0022\u003ELAN PHAM (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Just picking up on that same vein in the definition of \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D. It was one of the more entertaining parts of the select committee process, where literally every business or company thought they should all be considered long-lived infrastructure and their infrastructure should be long-lived infrastructure. But there is one aspect that I would like to propose that I would really like the Minister to consider that actually has some merit. I\u2019m speaking to this particularly as someone who was sitting on the Finance and Expenditure Committee with the Local Government (Water Services) Bill, through that select committee process\u2014and the, hopefully, complete turnaround we\u2019re going to see in terms of investment in stormwater, waste water, and drinking water, and anything to do with water infrastructure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EMy amendment, which is Amendment Paper 296, would be a change to the definition clause about long-lived infrastructure. It would really just be about inserting a new line, a new paragraph (db), about \u201Cinfrastructure providing water supply, stormwater and wastewater distribution\u201D. This stuff genuinely should be considered long-lived infrastructure, and we would really like to be setting up this framework that actually enables the investment that we so badly need in all of these areas through the newly established water service entities and whatnot\u2014whatever form they\u2019re going to take. We think that this is the one genuine amendment that could actually allow those to have more certainty and actually be taken to account in that way, so I\u2019d really appreciate the Minister\u2019s thoughts on that. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022de22f0310bec416583e4420432f5a578\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022de22f0310bec416583e4420432f5a578\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E The member makes a really good point. I\u2019m advised that it was\u2014the definition of \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D, including waste water and stormwater, which I think the member is rightly saying should probably be included, was excluded from the scope of this bill as it potentially conflicts with the Local Government (Water Services) Bill, which has been subject to a separate process as we go through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EHowever, that said, with the new resource management legislation we\u2019ve got coming towards the back end of this year, we have an opportunity to examine that question again, particularly in the context of the water services bill, which is actually up for committee stage after this. So I hear where the member\u2019s coming from on that one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022 data-id=\u0022efd8cad29cc9426c9fccf513eb07f8c2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022efd8cad29cc9426c9fccf513eb07f8c2\u0022\u003EANDY FOSTER (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Mr Chair, thank you very much. I\u2019m the chair of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee, and one of the things which we\u2019re doing at the moment is we are conducting an inquiry into the ports and maritime sector. We really welcome the change which has been made through this bill in terms of extending our ports\u2019 expiry date in terms of their coastal occupation permits from 2026 to 2046\u2014in other words, given them an extra 20 years. It just strikes me as completely nuts that we are in the situation where a whole lot of infrastructure which has its feet in the water or relates to water has to get re-consented at astronomical cost and delivers absolutely nothing to our country. If we want to look at a place where we want to reduce regulation, that is a place we could save\u2014it wouldn\u2019t be tens of millions; it wouldn\u2019t be hundreds of millions; it would be billions of dollars for this economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003EWhat we\u2019ve got in front of us says that the right to occupy the coastal area will be extended by 20\u00A0years, but the bit that it doesn\u2019t tackle, which is an essential part of the business of operating a port, is the right to dredge. Essentially, it\u2019s like saying you\u2019ve got a house, but if you can\u2019t build the driveway to get to the house, it\u2019s a bit problematic, or you can\u2019t build the infrastructure, the energy, the plumbing, or whatever it is to get to the house, it\u2019s a bit problematic. I know that in talking to, and I\u2019ve met with virtually every\u2014in fact, I think I have met with every port now in the country over the last number of months, and this is an issue which is raised by\u2014[Interruption] You\u2019re laughing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc911793807a41bcaa12f98c1cf2c19f\u0022\u003EHon Chris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019d just say what a fun job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022686a4a6a4ce8469d997a6562f8ac0ff1\u0022\u003EANDY FOSTER\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s great. They\u2019re great people. What\u2019s great is that they are carrying, I think, 97\u00A0percent of our exports by volume and something close to 90\u00A0percent of our exports in terms of value. If they have a problem, \u201CNew Zealand Inc.\u201D has a problem, because we can\u2019t get the products we need in and we can\u2019t get the products we need to sell out. If we want to double our export revenue, we need to make sure the ports are functioning well. The issue there is the ability to be able to dredge, and all ports tell me they\u2019ve got a dredge which basically goes around the country and dredges one port after another port after another port\u2014it\u2019s a busy dredge. If they can\u2019t do the maintenance dredging\u2014and for some of them, they do it several times a year to get rid of the little bits of silt etc. which have moved around. If they can\u2019t do that, they can\u2019t get the ships of sufficient draught in, and they need to be able to do that. They have also what\u2019s called capital dredging, which is basically making sure they\u2019ve got the channel of the depth that they need to get those big ships in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227dbfbd83-6770-4555-8477-85fa01511504\u0022\u003EI understand it\u2019s not in this bill, but I\u2019m really seeking some surety\u2014not just for me but also for the ports, because I know they\u2019re very interested in this\u2014that the Government is on to this and will deal with this in due course, whether through this bill or through upcoming legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00227908594d3f5b4ca985c3523440403811\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227908594d3f5b4ca985c3523440403811\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Can I just start by saying thank you to the hard-working chair of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee. I mean that genuinely. Too few people in this country pay attention to ports, so I mean that very genuinely. If we\u2019re serious about doubling exports and economic growth in this country, getting our ports operating efficiently and effectively is fundamental. Too few pay attention to our ports, and that\u2019s why it\u2019s so important that the port at Tauranga can get its expansion over the line. For example, 60 percent of our exports, by value, go out of the Port of Tauranga. That\u2019s why it\u2019s so important that the fast track of the Port of Auckland is going through its process. It\u2019s so critical that we optimise the supply chain, because we are a maritime nation, and 97 percent of our exports go out through ports. They are fundamental, so I\u2019m really looking forward to the work of the committee in relation to that inquiry. It\u2019s a very important piece of work. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe member, in his question, I think, raises kind of a fundamental issue that the Government\u2019s had to grapple with as we do this. The origin of this bill is that it\u2019s deliberately meant to be a bit of a half-way house on the pathway to wider resource management (RM) reform. It would be tempting to try to do everything, all in this bill, but then it would have quickly become bigger than Ben-Hur, and, frankly, we wouldn\u2019t be debating it now; we\u2019d be debating it in March of next year, or even later. As the member knows, or members know, we\u2019ve been on a bit of a pathway, and we\u2019ve divided up resource management reform into manageable chunks. This is the second amendment bill to the existing Resource Management Act. Variously, the amendments have been described as quick wins, targeted amendments, in order to unclog the system a bit. We did look at the issue that the member raises, so the bill makes some amendments to coastal permits\u2014it extends their duration, as the member knows. The issue of dredging is more complicated\u2014technically, and environmentally as well\u2014and so the decision was made to leave that until RM3, as we\u2019ve been calling it, which is phase\u00A03 of resource management reform, which is the new legislation which is coming before the House later in the year. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ERight the way through, we did have to make these kind of line-ball calls, where it was tempting to chuck everything in, as much as possible\u2014chuck it into the hopper and get it into the House and get it into law\u2014but we\u2019ve tried to do it in a sophisticated way, where stuff that\u2019s relatively easy, straightforward, targeted, and able to be digested can go into the system quite quickly and have immediate legal effect\u2014that\u2019s in this bill and the bill that\u2019s previously been passed into law. Then things that are more complicated or interact with other parts of the system\u2014waste water and stormwater is actually an example raised by Lan Pham previously. Some of those issues, we just had to deal with them in a separate policy process. We are aware of the issue, and we will deal with that through resource management phase 3. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI suppose my overall point to the House would be you can\u2019t do everything all at the same time. Successive Governments have tried to do that, and they\u2019ve failed, so we\u2019re just trying to do things in manageable chunks, and everything is building towards the Big Kahuna, which is resource management phase 3. We\u2019re working our way through that as well, and we\u2019ll have more to say in due course. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c82d6ce654344ebfb20d80a9519cf957\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c82d6ce654344ebfb20d80a9519cf957\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER (Green\u2014Rongotai):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Mr Chair. Thanks very much to the Minister for all of his input so far. I want to speak to an Amendment Paper (AP) that I\u2019ve put forward. This is still related to the issue of long-lived infrastructure, but it\u2019s specifically about clause\u00A069, where there\u2019s a new regulation power being given to the Minister to be able to prescribe infrastructure as \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d90aaa297354a25ad97aeb829eca909\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: What number? Have you got the number of the Amendment Paper?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e1180a5f33e4e078c169b357e932ea3\u0022\u003EHon JULIE ANNE GENTER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s clause 69, on page 47, so it\u2019s in Part 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EI guess our concern\u2014and this was raised by some submitters\u2014is, what is the purpose for giving this broad-sweeping regulation-making power to the Minister, given that the definition of \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D is in the bill? It\u2019s like we\u2019ve got the definition in the bill, but now we\u2019re also giving a power to the Minister, after the bill\u2019s gone through the House, to define other things as \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D. They have to meet certain criteria, in subclause (2FA)\u2014so that\u2019s clause 69(2FA). You know, it \u201C(a) has an expected lifespan of 50 years; and (b) is suitable for a consent duration of 35 years; and (c) benefits the public.\u201D But I think \u201Cbenefits the public\u201D is very, very broad, and, as much as we\u2019d like to have absolute confidence in the Government of the day, the reality is in New Zealand\u2019s system, power is very concentrated in the executive. When we give these broad regulation-making powers to Ministers, there\u2019s less opportunity for public input to these things. We have a select committee process, we have input from across the House, we have input from submitters, but when we give a regulation-making power to the Minister, then it\u2019s just up to one Minister, who gets it through Cabinet and then that defines \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EI guess my question is, is this really necessary? Haven\u2019t we considered what the definition of \u201Clong-lived infrastructure\u201D is in the bill? What does the Minister see as the need for this new regulation and this new power? Would the Minister consider my AP 297, which simply removes that broad power? We want to be sure that whatever is being proposed to be long-lived infrastructure is open to scrutiny and input from iwi, mana whenua, environmental groups, the Law Society, and others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EYou know, during the submissions we did hear from the New Zealand Law Society, from the Public Health Association of New Zealand. Even though the New Zealand Planning Institute was generally supportive of a 35-year-duration policy, they also were concerned about the implications for M\u0101ori rights and interests, and the ability to redress significant environmental effects\u2014and that\u2019s particularly with respect to hydroelectricity and geothermal consent renewals. Of course we want to have renewable electricity, but also there are types of renewable electricity that are low cost and low environmental impact, and then there\u2019s others which are even lower cost, like hydro, but have significant environmental impacts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002258f935f1-6646-40ab-9d99-17029396850c\u0022\u003EOverall, the Greens have expressed our concern already with fossil-fuel infrastructure being prescribed as long-lived\u2014or that thermal generation and other fossil-fuel infrastructure could be prescribed as long-lived, at a later date, under this regulation-making power. I hope the Minister will consider our AP and whether this is really necessary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022 data-id=\u0022de2eb94e21cc49b49d456be412f777b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022de2eb94e21cc49b49d456be412f777b9\u0022\u003ETAMATHA PAUL (Green\u2014Wellington Central):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Mr Chair. I have a question that is in regards to clause 6, section 25A amended, which, basically, removes general references to national policy statement\u2014oh, sorry. That section gives far more power to the Minister in terms of giving him the ability to intervene across multiple national policy statements. When the bill first came to the House in its first reading, we understood that the power to intervene was specifically in relation to the National Policy Statement on Urban Development (NPSUD), particularly the housing and business development capacity assessments required under the NPSUD.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EWe have got an Amendment Paper\u2014it\u2019s actually under Julie Anne\u2019s name\u2014which is number 298, which, basically, asks for more specificity within the bill to say that the Minister can use his powers to intervene in national compliance with the urban development national policy statement, as opposed to the power to intervene in any policy statement\u2014for example, the National Policy Statement for Freshwater, or National Policy Statement for Indigenous Biodiversity, or any of the other national planning instruments that exist.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EThe question to that is: what is the policy justification for extending those ministerial powers to apply across national direction? I know that you are the \u201CMinister for Everything\u201D, but in the case that you might not be, what is the justification for allowing such widespread powers of intervention across the various directions? The reason we ask that is because, firstly, there might be examples where local authorities might want to be more ambitious than the Government. How does that align with those interventions? But we are mostly just trying to understand how those powers, especially in areas like freshwater management or indigenous biodiversity, are relevant to what the Minister hopes to achieve through these resource management reforms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EI guess the other question we have in terms of the general strategic direction behind these amendments to the Act is: how has the Minister considered his intervention with local authorities? Like, obviously, sometimes it\u2019s good to have that independence. In Wellington City Council, obviously, we tried to go above and beyond the medium density residential standards rules and above and beyond national direction as it was being set when the NPSUD came into effect in 2020, and that was there as well. So sometimes the national intervention might not achieve meeting national objectives when local authorities are exceeding those expectations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EBut also, yeah, we just want to understand where and how that decision was made to broaden those powers. Obviously, with the Minister\u2019s general approach to planning, we are supportive of some aspects of that in terms of we want more housing\u2014we want it to be allowed, we want a permissive consenting and planning environment, because we need more houses. But we just wonder why that aspect of the law was changed to make that widespread, and maybe how the Minister will consider local objectives as well when it comes to the freshwater and biodiversity space in terms of coming over the top there and bringing territorial authorities into line with national direction. What is the rationale for that, and can he break that down a little bit further as to why that change took place?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022d753699e9dc949368f99fc5ae9060c8a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d753699e9dc949368f99fc5ae9060c8a\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ll deal with Julie Anne Genter\u2019s points around clause 69. It\u2019s really a catch-all power, which is there in case the Government decides to classify something as long-lived infrastructure, which is not there now. It really just gives a greater flexibility into the system, and so I don\u2019t think anything much turns on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIn relation to Ms Paul\u2019s point, I think she was talking about clause 6 on Amendment Paper 347 in the Government\u2019s name, which amends section 25A. One of the things that I think people sometimes misunderstand about the Resource Management Act (RMA) is that it actually gives the Government quite extensive intervention powers in local authorities already. This amended section strengthens that up and makes it clear that if a national policy statement requires a local authority to prepare a document and the authority hasn\u2019t done that, the Minister can direct the authority to do that or amend the document to meet the requirements of a national policy statement. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe member talked about the National Policy Statement on Urban Development, which is an important piece of national direction, which some councils have been good at complying with. Others have been somewhat more recalcitrant, shall we say. But we\u2019re getting there. I think those intervention powers are important, but there are fetters built into the section itself, so the Minister can\u2019t do that unless there\u2019s been an investigation under section 24A(c) of the RMA and the Minister has made recommendations to the local authority. It\u2019s not a free-for-all power for the Minister. There\u2019s a process that the Minister has to go through, and there are existing powers in the RMA for the Ministers to step in in relation to the local authority powers right now, both for Minister Simmonds as Minister for the Environment or me, where it relates to my delegations as Minister responsible for RMA Reform.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EReasonable people can disagree about the appropriate level of power. For one, I take the view that if central government is going to lay out a series of national direction and national policy statements that we expect local authorities to comply with, then there has to be an appropriate level of step-in powers to make sure that those laws are complied with. The member herself raises the example of where the Government has been prepared to step in in relation to housing, which I think the member would view in a positive way, and I welcome that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EAt the end of the day, planning is always a balance between local and central, and, respectfully, people who say that planning should be this entirely localised thing don\u2019t really understand the impact that local planning decisions have on the regional and national economy that we all have to live in. For example, successive council planning decisions over many years have given us the housing crisis that is now a national crisis that has fiscal implications of enormous significance for the Government. It\u2019s $5 billion a year in housing subsidies\u2014$5 billion. That\u2019s the equivalent of four Transmission Gully motorways per year on housing subsidies. It\u2019s an extraordinarily staggering sum of money that\u2019s built up, not entirely because of local councils, but, for the most part, by a sclerotic and labyrinthine planning system that has made it too hard to build houses in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe system has allowed this spaghetti junction of planning rules at a local level that has just made it way too hard to build, and we all bear the consequence of that in central government, so I reject the idea that central government shouldn\u2019t have a legitimate interest in what local councils do. What they do matters fiscally, economically, morally, socially, and intergenerationally. There are any number of justifications you can point to for why central government should have an interest in local plans. Now, you\u2019ve got to get the balance right, and reasonable people can disagree about what the balance should be, but the system should always allow for central government to have intervention powers into local plans. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u0022a06d5f424c4341b7a44737f58a576c16\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a06d5f424c4341b7a44737f58a576c16\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I\u2019m still on clause 4, and, noting that the Minister has spoken at some length about the importance of renewable energy and planning for infrastructure and getting rid of planning red tape so we can do better with our housing, I of course want to note that that is why Labour did its legislation to repeal the Resource Management Act and do the Spatial Planning Act and the Natural and Built Environment Act, and work on an infrastructure chapter as part of that. So when the Minister says nothing has happened, it was happening. But that is also why we\u2019ve been supporting this bill in the first reading and second reading. It is because we do agree with that general direction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EAlso noting the importance of ports, I agree with the Minister on that point. I\u2019m also thankful that he noted that dredging has significant environmental effects that are difficult to manage, unlike an existing piece of infrastructure that\u2019s already there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EBut my question now is on the new definition of \u201Cspecified energy activity\u201D in the amendment to section 2(1) in clause 4. It\u2019s defined as meaning \u201C(a) the establishment, operation, maintenance, or upgrade of an activity that produces energy from solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, or biomass sources:\u201D. It\u2019s just a very specific question on this\u2014and it doesn\u2019t include any form of gas, unless it\u2019s one from biomass. But my question is: does it include waste to energy? Is he expecting that waste to energy would be included in paragraph (a) or not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022 data-id=\u002230a918df57a849a68652854f4c03b994\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002230a918df57a849a68652854f4c03b994\u0022\u003ETAMATHA PAUL (Green\u2014Wellington Central):\u003C/span\u003E Just a quick contribution in regards to, again, clause 6, \u201CSection 25A amended\u201D. I understand all the answers that the Minister responsible for RMA Reform gave in relation to national direction and pulling local authorities into line, and I just kind of wanted to make my question a bit more clear. In the first reading of this bill, the national policy statement (NPS) references in the bill only referred to the urban development NPS. What has happened since then is that that has been amended to include all the national policy directions, including freshwater management, indigenous biodiversity, etc. My question is: why are we expanding into those areas as well? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003ESo, yeah, I take your arguments and your statements on housing\u2014that makes complete sense. But why, then, are we expanding into the other areas, and what support does that give you in achieving the Government\u2019s national objectives around resource management?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022e535360f9af24afb86c6867743683f3b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e535360f9af24afb86c6867743683f3b\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Just in relation to Rachel Brooking\u2019s point, I\u2019m advised that waste to energy is included as a specified energy activity only if it\u2019s biomass to waste, if that makes sense\u2014so \u201Cmaybe\u201D is the short answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIn relation to Ms Paul\u2019s point around why we\u2019ve expanded it, well, it\u2019s because the Government came to the view that if it was good enough for the National Policy Statement on Urban Development (NPSUD), it should be good enough for the other suite of national directions that there are\u2014for example, the national policy statement on renewables, which may require councils to do particular things, or it may not. It will depend. There\u2019s no point, probably, in going through the gamut of the NPSs that are out there, but I think it provides the power for Governments to have step-in powers in relation to all of the various NPSs that there are. Fresh water is one of them; National Policy Statement for Indigenous Biodiversity. There is a range of NPSs that the member will be aware of, not just the NPSUD.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6521a3b8319474c85934de3fc0c7d50\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6521a3b8319474c85934de3fc0c7d50\u0022\u003ERACHEL BOYACK (Labour\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I\u2019ve got a quick question, just covering off going clause by clause through the bill, as reported back from the committee, but also the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper that he has tabled in the House. I just want to focus specifically on clause 5, which is the definition of rules that control fishing. I note that in the committee\u2019s report back and the Amendment Paper, the new clause 2B that\u2019s being inserted appears to be identical, so I did just want a point of clarification that, for those of us who are new to reading through this Amendment Paper that\u2019s only just recently been tabled, there isn\u2019t anything different between what is in the report back from the committee and what the Minister has tabled today\u2014just if there are any differences, it would be helpful to know what those were. That\u2019s just a practical consideration. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003EMy question is specifically around the amendment to clause 5 to exclude aquaculture activities. The rationale given for that in the select committee report is that aquaculture is already clearly regulated under the Resource Management Act (RMA). I did just want to ask the Minister whether the regulations under the RMA in relation to aquaculture are comparable to those that will be inserted in this new rule around wild-capture fisheries, and just to get some assurance that there is comparability between the two parts of the fishery sector\u2014aquaculture and wild-capture fisheries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003ESo just two short questions for the Minister: one specifically around policy, but earlier, just a practical consideration around the Minister also including the changes in the select committee report in his Amendment Paper and just for us to be able to note when we should be looking for any changes in the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper, when compared to what was in the report from the select committee. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022 data-id=\u0022092d92c2b2ba4f28ba80b7880f749b8b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022092d92c2b2ba4f28ba80b7880f749b8b\u0022\u003ELAN PHAM (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I want to continue on my colleague\u2019s topic of fisheries, particularly when it comes to clause 8 of the bill. This is page 11 around \u201CSection 32 amended (Requirements for preparing and publishing evaluation reports)\u201D. Now, as part of the select committee process, we had, as you can imagine, a lot of submissions around the fisheries aspects. I know that the officials\u2019 view\u2014and I\u2019m sure the Government\u2019s view\u2014is that the bill actually clarifies the relationship between the Resource Management Act (RMA) and the Fisheries Act. But there were many differing views, particularly a lot of concern from environmental groups, from individuals and local communities. Iwi M\u0101ori in particular were, as a majority, opposed to this proposal in its full. One of the strongest concerns that we heard from local government was around this power that the director-general might have in that it would risk weakening local democracy. But my amendment, which I\u2019ve got here, really proposes to delete clause 8 as a part of this package, because clause 8 relates to these new requirements that councils would have to conduct in terms of actually doing these fishing impact assessments if they\u2019re actually proposing a new rule in a planning document that controls fishing in the coastal marine area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003ENow, we see this as, essentially, a really pointless change. Councils already have this very clear responsibility to protect indigenous biodiversity. They are empowered, actually, as long as the Government doesn\u2019t take away those powers, which they are in terms of ministerial overreach later in the bill. But with the status quo, they not only have this responsibility but they can put rules in place when it comes to sustainable management of these fisheries when it comes to marine biodiversity as per the purpose of the RMA.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EThis proposed amendment, which seeks to change the section 32 assessment, we think really strays into the purpose of the Fisheries Act and, actually, creates this imbalance and a really skewed focus on fishing rather than explicitly regional council\u2019s responsibilities for indigenous biodiversity when it comes to the marine environment. I\u2019d love to hear the Minister\u2019s thoughts about the justification for this particular clause, because my reading of it\u2014particularly, some submitters brought this up\u2014is that it simply duplicates existing work and creates more complexity in an area where this bill purports to actually be simplifying things. I\u2019d love to hear from the Minister how this change or proposed change to the section 32 reports and assessments that councils need to carry out if they\u2019re putting a rule in place to actually protect indigenous biodiversity\u2014what is the justification for this change and how is it that it is actually, genuinely clarifying things rather than making them more complex? Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022 data-id=\u0022740939d6832849d29db248005b0477f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022740939d6832849d29db248005b0477f8\u0022\u003ESCOTT WILLIS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. My query, really, is in relation to Amendment Paper 300, clause 11, \u201CSection 37 amended\u201D, and thinking about wood energy and wood processing. But one question first off the bat is: it mentions here that the bill proposes that wood processing and specified energy activities\u2014I think I\u2019ve heard that this relates to biomass, biomass burning. I\u2019m not exactly sure if that\u2019s the only thing that that refers to, so I\u2019d appreciate confirmation that that is what \u201Cspecified energy activities\u201D refers to, if the Minister would like to respond to that. If that is the case, then I\u2019m interested in why it says \u201Cspecified energy activities\u201D and not \u201Cbiomass\u201D? That would be a helpful start.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EFurther to the Minister\u2019s insistence earlier that the reason why we are lagging in energy security and renewables\u2014the Minister mentioned the oil and gas ban, and was quick to blame previous Governments, when this Government has failed to deliver a national policy statement for renewable electricity generation; it has failed to deliver a national energy strategy; it did throw out the Spatial Planning Act; it did throw out the Natural and Built Environment Act; and, clearly, this Government carries the blame for high electricity prices, and for the failure\u2014the failure\u2014to build the renewable electricity generation we need.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EComing back to this bill for wood processing, in particular, and those \u201Cspecified energy activities\u201D that we hope to get an answer on, this says that the consent authorities must not extend the time period when processing and deciding on an application for when resource consent can happen. The problem with this, or the risk here, is that it will allow consent authorities to\u2014well, essentially, what we\u2019re looking at are processes and activities that may have significant adverse effects on the environment. This is particularly true for wood processing. Wood processing can use chemicals, and that\u2019s discharged into waterways, and we need very careful consideration of the impact on those waterways from such industrial processes. I\u2019m sure the Minister from Southland has noticed the degraded state of the waterways. I\u2019m sure the Minister is aware of what happens to polluted waterways, where we see die-off. So, as a consequence, we must have the time to evaluate the environmental impacts of any release into the environment from processes. What we\u2019ve got here is, unfortunately, a shortening of that process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EMy amendment is to ensure it says, \u201CIn clause 11, replace new section 37(1B)\u201D\u2014that\u2019s on page\u00A013, lines 26 to 28\u2014\u201Cwith: (1B) Except as provided for in subsection (1C), a consent authority must not extend, under subsection (1)(a), the time period for processing and deciding an application for a resource consent for a wood processing activity or specified energy activity (see section 88BA). (1C) A consent authority may extend the time period for processing and deciding an application for a resource consent for a wood processing activity or specified energy activity where the authority has reasonable grounds to believe the activity may have a significant adverse effect on the environment.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003ETo recap: I would like confirmation, firstly, about what \u201Cspecified energy activities\u201D means\u2014very, very clearly, clarity on that, please. If it does mean \u201Cbiomass\u201D, as we\u2019ve been told, why is it not specified as \u201Cbiomass\u201D? Secondly, why we can\u2019t accept an extension, or perhaps we can, and whether the Minister will consider and accept an extension to the time period?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d2995873-613f-4202-a773-5ea2d57cc953\u0022 data-id=\u002230332ddd8d3749c7af893f77d7925008\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d2995873-613f-4202-a773-5ea2d57cc953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002230332ddd8d3749c7af893f77d7925008\u0022\u003EHon PENNY SIMMONDS (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Just answering some of the questions in the order they\u2019ve come in from the member Rachel Boyack. Just confirming that the rules that control fishing\u2014your question was is there any difference in clause\u00A05, new section 2B versions tabled today? No, there is no difference.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d2995873-613f-4202-a773-5ea2d57cc953\u0022\u003EWith regard to Lan Pham\u2019s wanting to delete clause 8, no, we do not support that. The purpose of this clause is, as we have stated, to clarify and to support balanced section 32 assessments that cover both benefits and risks. This clause doesn\u2019t enable councils to make fisheries management decisions. That is done under the Fisheries Act and therefore it doesn\u2019t stray into the Fisheries Act purposes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d2995873-613f-4202-a773-5ea2d57cc953\u0022\u003EWith regard to the member Scott Willis\u2019 assertion that the high electricity prices are entirely the fault of this Government, I reject that comment, and particularly reject it given the work that we have done already around fast track and the numbers of renewable applications that are going through the fast-track process. In making that assertion, then the member is wanting to lengthen the process of consideration of energy supply in terms of the wood processing. So does he want it both ways is my concern.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022 data-id=\u0022c50f505095b1417bbac2377254f17d90\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c50f505095b1417bbac2377254f17d90\u0022\u003ETANGI UTIKERE (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E Kia orana, Mr Chair. Look, this is my first contribution at this committee stage, and I want to have a look at clause 14A. This is in the Minister\u2019s own Amendment Paper. It is a new clause that seeks to insert a new section after section 58J\u2014that being 58JA.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003ESir, this is a very significant change to this bill\u2014a very significant change. Whilst I acknowledge that the Minister has previously noted that\u2014and, actually, it was very interesting listening to his very early comment that these changes have been publicly announced. He talked about them being \u201Ckicked around\u201D\u2014however, the member may wish to choose that. But the sad reality for the Minister and the Government is that usually when those issues are being kicked around, such as this one, the public have an opportunity to be able to feed into that process and have an opportunity to share what their views on this change is. It\u2019s very disappointing that this is the approach that the Minister has chosen to take, particularly at a time where a select committee has actually spent a lot of time looking at this. If the Minister was upfront and serious about this change and what it would mean for communities, why did the Minister not actually put this through the select committee process?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003ENoting that significant change, the essence of it is that this basically puts a permanent pause\u2014well, actually it\u2019s a stop\u2014to particular courses of actions that councils may be undertaking in terms of plan changes that might be on the go. So my question to the Minister in the chair is: despite the fact that the Minister has chosen not to put this through the select committee process, what specific engagement has the Minister or indeed the Government had with local councils anywhere in the country around what this particular change would mean for them, whether it\u2019s being promoted by a range of councils or not? I do hope the Minister in the chair does take this question on board, because we are talking about a fundamental change, Minister, to the way in which councils would go about the plan-change process. I use the word plan change in a very broad and wide sense. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve got some other questions in that particular frame, but I\u2019m happy to pause for a response.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d2995873-613f-4202-a773-5ea2d57cc953\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5a9574522fb4d60a09fb9c11617bc7c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d2995873-613f-4202-a773-5ea2d57cc953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5a9574522fb4d60a09fb9c11617bc7c\u0022\u003EHon PENNY SIMMONDS (Minister for the Environment):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, and I thank the member Tangi Utikere for his question around this. Look, a number of councils obviously are very concerned that they do not want to be making changes and undertaking consultation and spending money on changes that may well not be aligned with where the Government is going with the resource management (RM) process. This is just a very pragmatic step to ensure that councils do not waste time, money, and resources when everyone is very focused on councils and their rate increases, and ensuring that they don\u2019t make changes that may mean they are not aligned with the work that the Government is continuing with in the RM space. So it\u2019s very much just a pragmatic, practical solution. Of course, the member will note that there is an ability for exemptions and that there are a number of automatic exemptions, so important work that does align with Government policies can continue, but wanting to ensure that the councils are not moving in a direction that is not aligned with the Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022 data-id=\u00229f17bb870ef94f56b5a63b187e7afe97\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f17bb870ef94f56b5a63b187e7afe97\u0022\u003ETANGI UTIKERE (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair, and I thank the Minister in the chair, Penny Simmonds. She has mentioned rates increases, and of course her Government and Christopher Luxon promised to make things better when it came to rates increases, and they have simply done nothing but make it worse. On the issue of councils being concerned\u2014well, the Government being concerned as well\u2014that they shouldn\u2019t be making changes, I think the Minister said, around consultation, my question to the Minister is\u2014basically, that is removing that element of choice from councils, who will be attuned to the current Resource Management Act framework, whatever that might look like, and in terms of signalling what the Government\u2019s intentions might be, but they can hit pause if they choose to. So my follow-up question to the Minister around that is why she believes a fairly heavy-handed approach to this is what is required.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EI\u2019m pleased that the Minister has talked about exemptions, because I do want to come to that, but before I do, I want to look at the new inserted section as proposed by the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper, which is 58JA, in particular subparagraph (a), inserted by new clause 14A. This is about the certain obligations or the specific requirements that, basically, councils would be forced to cease or stop until 31 December 2027. Because this has only landed specifically on the committee\u2019s Table today, which is rather unfortunate, I\u2019ve had to go and have a look around what those specific obligations are that are outlined in the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EIt does relate to those that are described specifically and only in section 58I(2), which by my read is the requirement for a local authority to actually amend a document as a result of a particular decision that\u2019s been taken, then subsection (4), which is around the use of a process and, I guess, the notification process that would follow as a result of that. Then we have the penultimate, which is subsection (7), which relates to a notification period of around one year, and then the final one, which is (8), and that\u2019s any other actions that are, basically, directed by a national planning standard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EWhen one looks at what else is contained in 58I as a section\u2014the reason I\u2019m asking this, Minister, is because the Minister\u2019s amendment is very specific in that it only relates to four subsections within this, but why is it that some of the other obligations that exist within 58I have not been incorporated or included into this? Is it that, actually, they are superficial in that sense and they don\u2019t actually have any kind of justified sort of reason to include them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EI do look at, for example, 58I(9), which talks about obligations under any other Acts as they relate to statements or plans. So why is that not being removed? Is it because they\u2019re actually tangential to each other or they can\u2019t stand in isolation? I\u2019d be interested in that particular response.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022 data-id=\u0022163652a1910a4167bd9003ddb420dd2b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022163652a1910a4167bd9003ddb420dd2b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time has come for me to leave the Chair for the dinner break. The House will resume at 7.30.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d42e8cf-544e-415d-892b-f4ef8014d80f\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 5.56 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022bfbf249a656a4c3991dd11a5e4c8ffa2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bfbf249a656a4c3991dd11a5e4c8ffa2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Good evening, members. When we rose for the dinner break, we were considering Part 1 of the Resource Management (Consenting and Other System Changes) Amendment Bill. Tamatha Paul.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022 data-id=\u00222967bedc00184f6182237b21f5168726\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222967bedc00184f6182237b21f5168726\u0022\u003ELAN PHAM (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Close, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291fa6884c9d246bf99cad42ec0006e27\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, sorry. Lan Pham.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022527aaea0537149088c03d6fb768e4298\u0022\u003ELAN PHAM\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. You honour me. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EI would like to pick up on clause 8, \u201CSection 32 amended (Requirements for preparing and publishing evaluation reports)\u201D. We heard from the Minister, different to this Minister\u2014but connected, I\u2019m sure\u2014that these changes were very well considered to put a clear line between the difference between council responsibilities to protect marine biodiversity and indigenous biodiversity under the Resource Management Act and those under the Fisheries Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003ENow, what I\u2019d really like some clarity on from the Minister is that there\u2019s a number of requirements that the councils must actually do as part of this assessment. There\u2019s a new subsection in here\u2014and this is, sorry, on page 12\u2014subsection (2B), in clause 8, and this is the subsection which talks about the requirement for these assessments to examine the matters above in (2A)(a) and (b), and it says that it \u201Capplies to the extent that information relating to those matters is reasonably available.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EMy concern with this is that the assessment criteria that it\u2019s setting out is quite detailed. There are some basic things around \u201C(i) the location of rules within the region;\u201D\u2014so where do they actually apply\u2014\u201C(ii) the extent to which the rules will exclude fishing; and (iii) the extent to which fishing could be carried out in other areas; \u2026 (iv) the extent to which the rules will increase the cost of fishing;\u201D, and any other impacts or controls on fishing in the region, and then the overall impact that those proposed controls would have on fishing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003ENow, having had a bit to do with councils and local government generally, it\u2019s not typical that councils actually hold much of this information at all. So what I\u2019m really interested in hearing from the Minister is: what does this actually look like in practice? What if councils don\u2019t have that information? Are they working really clearly with, for example, the Ministry for Primary Industries, with fisheries officers, and with someone or some agency who may actually hold that data and information? If they don\u2019t have it, are they basically forced to be making these decisions in an absence of evidence and, actually, documented impact when this proposed amendment is directly saying that they need to go to that detail to be able to assess the actual impact on communities and the economic impact of fishers in the region? I\u2019m really keen to hear from the Minister specifically about those criteria and how councils would put it in place in practice, because it\u2019s really unclear to me. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7f8d354fcff469b8db46687bd52dc01\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7f8d354fcff469b8db46687bd52dc01\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Just a very quick call from me, related to that last call. It would be useful for the Minister to comment on the M\u014Dt\u012Bt\u012B decision and that relationship, generally, between the Fisheries Act and the Resource Management Act, where those boundaries are, and why he thinks this is landing in the right spot. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022 data-id=\u0022698dd407833c491fa1912d29ba813872\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022698dd407833c491fa1912d29ba813872\u0022\u003ESTEVE ABEL (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019m on page 13, and clause 12, \u201CSection 38 amended (Authorisation and responsibilities of enforcement officers)\u201D. The effect of that clause is to allow the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) to be responsible for enforcement under the Resource Management Act (RMA). The original wording was \u201Cof the new Ministry\u201D, meaning the Ministry for the Environment (MFE). My question for the Minister is, firstly: why only the Ministry for Primary Industries? My colleague Lan Pham has an amendment which amends clause 12 so that it provides for the Ministry for the Environment MFE to also be authorised as an enforcement officer. Given that it\u2019s the Resource Management Act, and normally it is enforced by the Ministry for the Environment, I wonder whether it wouldn\u2019t be preferable to have the capability of both the MPI and MFE officials to be authorised to enforce under the RMA. It seems to make sense, and I wonder if the Minister could respond to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve got a second question regarding the same clause. In subclause (2), it repeals section 38(3) and\u00A0(4). This clause allows the Minister of Conservation to authorise officers of the Department of Conservation or of local authorities to exercise and carry out the functions and powers of an enforcement officer under this Act in relation to compliance. Now, we have, also from the very excellent and capable Lan Pham, another amendment which would give the Minister of Conservation the ability to authorise officers of the Department of Conservation or of a local authority to carry out the functions of an enforcement officer\u2014that\u2019s Amendment Paper 302, and the preceding one I spoke of was Amendment Paper 301. So, also, again, Minister, I wonder if you can respond to whether you don\u2019t agree that it would be advantageous for the Minister to have the power to give those enforcement rights to officers of the Department of Conservation. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022 data-id=\u00228eb09fe57aad498c9c582dcdf1515e67\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228eb09fe57aad498c9c582dcdf1515e67\u0022\u003EHon PRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019d like to raise some of the issues around clause 15\u2014so the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper that replaces clause 15, \u201CSection 70 amended (Rules about discharges)\u201D. This was something that the select committee, of course, considered. The Labour Party had a differing view as a result of the consideration of the select committee when it came to this bit. That was because the bill as introduced would amend section 70 to allow regional councils to have permitted activity rules for a discharge that could ultimately result in\u2014it says here\u2014\u201Csignificant adverse effects to aquatic life\u201D, but, basically, what it does is make polluted rivers worse. Our position was very clear at the time that we did not think that that should be the case, that should be allowed; that, basically, even the status quo would not be good enough, and that we had a duty to improve fresh water. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003ESo we opposed that particular bit of the bill, and now I see that the amendment to the amendment\u2014and I have to also at this point just echo some of the points made by Rachel Brooking right at the start of this around the process here. I mean, the fact that we have an explanatory note that says, \u201CThis Amendment Paper amends Amendment Paper No 347, which amends the Resource Management (Consenting and Other System Changes) Amendment Bill [which] amends the Resource Management Act\u201D is, in itself, quite the mouthful, and the fact that this has come to us so late and is significant\u2014so not only did we disagree with the initial position that the bill took but this amendment makes it even worse. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t understand the rationale here, and I would really appreciate the Minister clarifying his position on, firstly, I guess, the initial bit that the select committee considered, which was bad enough, because we do believe that our polluted rivers should be improved to the point that they are swimmable. This takes us even further backwards, and here it says\u2014and I initially wasn\u2019t sure if I was actually reading this correctly. But it says, \u201CThis Amendment Paper replaces new section 70(3) with a new provision. The main difference is that the replacement provision also enables the inclusion of a rule that allows as a permitted activity a discharge of contaminants that may allow the following effects in the receiving waters: any conspicuous change in the colour or visual clarity; the rendering of fresh water unsuitable for consumption by farm animals.\u201D, and, somehow, this amendment is allowing that to be permitted activity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EI would really like the Minister to clarify\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022489d736b-2629-4bc7-8d38-6319c7797a33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f79bc00ef004c1492ba0724b0caee42\u0022\u003EMark Cameron\u003C/span\u003E: And live in the real world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d359efe5051542b18d66a99027c2c3da\u0022\u003EHon Priyanca Radhakrishnan\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014what the rationale or what the thinking\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226b35c42f898448cb088d49dfca47529\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, in the real world, apparently. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b65242708184209b7e2336cf0f3b551\u0022\u003EHon PRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN\u003C/span\u003E: In the real world, it\u2019s OK for Governments not to take action to make rivers swimmable but to take us backwards to the point that the water can\u2019t even be drunk by farm animals. That\u2019s not the real world that I want to be living in. It\u2019s not the real world that a number of environmental NGOs or people across Aotearoa New Zealand want to be living in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003EIf this Government thinks that they can take us so\u2014I don\u2019t even know how to phrase it. It is so backwards that we go well against the trajectory of travel that so many of us want to be taking\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022489d736b-2629-4bc7-8d38-6319c7797a33\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244e2a7cf31a4440e9e249c43dec7e5bd\u0022\u003EMark Cameron\u003C/span\u003E: Improving over time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3812c8a05974dcb9ac2f03735cb5bda\u0022\u003EHon PRIYANCA RADHAKRISHNAN\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014in this House, then that, I have to say, is a very sad day for that member across the House, who is yelling that some of them live in the real world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022872744a3-2256-4cdd-a4cc-939836dc2b11\u0022\u003ESo that\u2019s really the point that I wanted to make. I want some clarity around how this is feasible.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022fe4a3bad9bb44fbcbf022ab8fb16cf70\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fe4a3bad9bb44fbcbf022ab8fb16cf70\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. A variety of issues raised by members. Lan Pham asked about clause 8 in the bill. I think the key point is that the Ministry for Primary Industries (MPI) already works with councils in relation to the Fisheries Act. Issues that are being canvassed in relation to Rachel Brooking\u2019s question around the overlap between the Resource Management Act and the Fisheries Act, that is partly what this bill is attempting to deal with, particularly the M\u014Dt\u012Bt\u012B decision. It constrains and clarifies the effect of that decision\u2014it doesn\u2019t abolish it; it just clarifies exactly what the role of councils are in relation to the Fisheries Act. Steve Abel asked about why the Ministry for the Environment is not involved, and the reason for that is that MPI is the relevant administrating authority for the Fisheries Act. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EPriyanca Radhakrishnan asked about section 70 discharge rules, in clause 15. The short point is this: Waikato Regional Council advised us a few days ago that if the Government did not propose their changes in the Amendment Paper to the Amendment Paper\u2014and she seems to think there was something particularly exciting about an Amendment Paper to an Amendment Paper; welcome to Parliament\u2014Waikato Regional Council would be in the position of having to consent over 2,500 farms that currently do not need a consent. They would then have to go through a process of consenting farms for doing things that are currently permitted activities. The Government is not going to put itself in a position where 2,500 farms require resource consent for something that they do not require resource consent for right now. That is the short point. We are not prepared to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EMembers opposite are entitled to do that, and they can campaign at the next election on that. We are not prepared to do that. We\u2019re a party, and a Government, of rural New Zealand, and we will always support our farmers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022 data-id=\u0022eee8720db9114f38beb98e6113a675a0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eee8720db9114f38beb98e6113a675a0\u0022\u003ELAN PHAM (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I wanted to pick up the same on clause 15, and thank you to the Minister for that explanation about\u2014was it Waikato Regional Council, did you say? I\u2019m really interested to see or get more information about that. I\u2019m sure they have, you know, said that that\u2019s very urgent. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EDuring the select committee process, we had a number of submissions\u2014particularly from the likes of Federated Farmers; we had Beef \u002B Lamb saying the same thing; we had DairyNZ saying the same thing\u2014about not only wanting significant adverse pollution going into our waterways to be enabled as a permitted activity, but they wanted it to go further when it came to basically pollution to the extent that the water is discoloured and also to the effect that stock water would no longer be fit for stock to drink. Now, that was a really low point personally for me in hearing these submissions, particularly when a lot of these agricultural lobby groups are actually some of farmers\u2019 only voices, and yet they\u2019re really scraping the bottom of the barrel when it comes to actually asking for freshwater protection removals of this magnitude.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EBut we did consider that, and we had advice on that from officials. I want to point it out, because I was genuinely surprised to see this Amendment Paper today. Officials talked about how they simply do not\u2014and this is quoting from the departmental report, page 54, when it summarised how those groups were wanting further changes to section 70. It\u2019s addressing that the proposal should be expanded beyond adverse effects on aquatic life. Essentially, it\u2019s saying, and this is a quote, from point 313, \u201CWe do not have the evidence to determine the level of consent burden from those section\u00A070 matters beyond aquatic life. There may be an issue with the wider section 70 matters, but without evidence we do not recommend this change at this time. If there is a substantive issue, we recommend this be considered in the wider RMA reform programme.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EWhat I\u2019m really interested to hear from the Minister is why, given that advice, even if there is an issue for which there was no current evidence, was it not simply put into the mix of the consideration of the whole package in the next resource management bill that\u2019s coming? It\u2019s just being put in place in this shotgun way where no one\u2019s had an ability to actually have their say on it, and it\u2019s actually dismantling some very longstanding, significant freshwater protections that have been in place since the Resource Management Act\u2019s inception. So I\u2019m very keen to hear that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022a1a8ca320090494f9f55be6f149226d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a1a8ca320090494f9f55be6f149226d6\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Happy to address that. The short point is that it was true, during the select committee process, that there was a paucity of evidence around this. That was probably true during the process. In the last couple of weeks, it has become clear, through correspondence from the Waikato Regional Council but also other councils that have raised similar concerns, that if a change was not made, over 2,500 farms would require consent that do not currently require a consent. The Government is not willing to put itself in a situation where our hard-working farmers, who have worked hard enough over the last few years, particularly in the Waikato, are required to go and get a consent for things that they currently do not need a consent for. We just are not prepared to put ourselves in that situation. That was the clear advice and evidence from the Waikato Regional Council, who, by the way, are the relevant authority when it comes to these matters. So that is the evidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad984b5d89f44bf28c8c6ce558489114\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad984b5d89f44bf28c8c6ce558489114\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Just on this point that the Minister has raised about having a request from Waikato Regional Council where he tells us that he\u2019s following their advice on this change, has he looked at, or asked them about, whether or not the environment and the quality of that water has been changing and if the use, say, from the aquifers in that area has changed, and if there is in fact a reason for the water body to now be in a degraded state whereby without his amendment a resource consent would be required?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EFurther to that, is there ever a situation in his mind, with his rationale, where people should be required to apply for a resource consent where they are using a common resource and polluting it? Where is that threshold in his mind, and what advice has he sought on the environmental status of those waterways?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EMoving on, and I\u2019m jumping ahead quite a bit here. Other people might have things to say as well. But also in this area of Part 1, we have been talking about fisheries. We have rules at clause 26, \u201CNew section 86H, \u201CRules that control fishing do not apply to M\u0101ori customary non-commercial fishing rights in specified legislation\u201D. I won\u2019t read out what this new section is about, but my question here\u2014I thank the Minister for half answering my question about M\u014Dt\u012Bt\u012B\u2014is: what is the relationship of councils being involved and protecting their marine environment and that localism aspect of it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EHe\u2019s mentioned before that he\u2019s listening to what regional councils can and cannot do, so where does he see the role for a regional council who knows their coastal environment making fishing rules as opposed to the Ministry for Primary Industries making fishing rules? If he could comment on that localism aspect, that would be helpful. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022 data-id=\u0022bf6d6746979f435ea7fe205a6634bcc4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bf6d6746979f435ea7fe205a6634bcc4\u0022\u003EH\u016AHANA LYNDON (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Aroha mai, Minister, I just wanted to take us back further, to talk further around clause 15, which amends section 70. We\u2019re talking about fresh water and, in particular, the amendment proposed by my colleague Lan Pham, which is set out on Amendment Paper 304. I\u2019m drawing the attention of the Minister\u2014we\u2019re talking about Waikato and wanting to remind the Whare about Te Ture Whaimana. Te Ture Whaimana o Te Awa o Waikato is that agreement between the Crown and Waikato iwi in terms of the protection and the restoration of Waikato Awa, which is really clear in terms of that restoration and protection of river health and the wellbeing of Waikato Awa, but further, that Waikato River should not be degraded any further or be expected to absorb any further degradation as a result of human activities, and that the water quality of the Waikato River is at the forefront of our thinking in terms of swimmability and the ability for wh\u0101nau to take food across the entire length of Waikato River.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002228503e94-a5c6-4364-92b7-dc1da041fc50\u0022\u003EI\u2019m just wanting to understand from the Minister, if he could explain, how clause 15, which amends section 70\u2014and thinking about Te Ture Whaimana, in particular\u2014has that restoration and protection focus in the legislation and how this applies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022 data-id=\u00229f35988bcf3c4ec28e9d0a347947f175\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f35988bcf3c4ec28e9d0a347947f175\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u2019CONNOR (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I have not been on the Environment Committee, but I\u2019ve just come down into the Chamber and picked up the Amendment Paper that, I understand, the Minister has tabled today. I\u2019m reading through this and I actually can\u2019t believe what I\u2019m reading, and the so-called representatives of farmers, over the other side there, saying they\u2019re upholding the rights of farmers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EI just want to read this out, because I want the farmers around the country to know what is being changed here, and the Minister can perhaps explain why, because the vast majority of farmers over many\u2014over decades, in fact, have been working really hard with effluent management systems from their farming operations to virtually eliminate contamination of waterways, and most of them have done an extraordinary job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EAmendment Paper 348, as tabled, states in its explanatory note \u201CThis Amendment Paper replaces new section 70(3) with a new provision. The main difference is that the replacement provision also enables the inclusion of a rule that allows as a permitted activity a discharge of contaminants that may allow the following effects in the receiving waters:\u201D. It will allow for \u201Cany conspicuous change in the colour or visual clarity:\u201D. So it\u2019s going to discolour the water. The second is: \u201Cthe rendering of fresh water unsuitable for consumption by farm animals.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4a5c0d0b12e44e782bdece93039d5f6\u0022\u003ERyan Hamilton\u003C/span\u003E: Your colleague just read that out\u2014the same thing; asked and answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8854a4bd0eb4475a1a1fab48918c44b\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u2019CONNOR\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that\u2019s right, and I\u2019m doing this as a farmer because I think most farmers around the country would be horrified to think that legislation is being changed to allow, I would suggest, a small minority of farmers to do this, when, in fact, they have been proud of actually spending millions and millions of dollars to not allow this to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003ESo maybe the Minister can explain. I\u2019m just astounded that this late amendment would be tabled to allow that to happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022dc106fcdc5a2427abfce586fcebc6c81\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dc106fcdc5a2427abfce586fcebc6c81\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Just for clarity: the change does not allow councils to use permitted activities that would render fresh water unsuitable for stock drinking water or a change in visual colour or clarity if these effects are not already present. Councils cannot permit activities that would render water unfit for stock drinking if the water is currently drinkable, for example. What the changes allow is that where water is currently unfit for consumption by farm animals, councils can use permitted activity rules instead of requiring resource consents. They can only do so if they are confident that in no more than 10 years there will be an improvement in the water towards the water being fit for consumption by farm animals. The improvement-over-time approach allows farming and land use to continue, rather than forcing agricultural activity to stop. Our view is that this is a more sustainable approach for the rural economy and the environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00227a7ff7f805a049b89aefe373778755c3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227a7ff7f805a049b89aefe373778755c3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just, before I take the next call, note that we\u2019re looking for new material. I think this one has been explained quite in depth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232ae6ef134d34fbc97c5a03f8861a168\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Just in response to the Minister, because I appreciate the discussion\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022893961db2bb346a4aa08b2967682b4b7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll call the Hon Damien O\u2019Connor.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022 data-id=\u00227b7fbb98ba3f4b25bae4a89b8232db3a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b7fbb98ba3f4b25bae4a89b8232db3a\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u2019CONNOR (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Look, I appreciate the Minister\u2019s explanation. That is, so a consent would merely put in place\u2014I\u2019m guessing\u2014some provisions that ensure that if that is the status quo, actually, it will get better. Now, just an assumption that within 10 years it\u2019s going to happen is not. If there was a consent required, which is my understanding, that would be a normal process, given that this situation should be illegal and in most places it is. If it is the status quo, then the requirement to get a consent would then clearly specify what has to be done by the farmer to improve that situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022471dee54-f59e-4497-b3d3-c39044ce7169\u0022\u003EJust letting it drift for 10 years\u2014it possibly might see nine years of inactivity, or no further action or improvement, and then a rush at the finish. That\u2019s simply not the way that we should approach the environment, and it\u2019s not the brand image that we sell offshore. I think anyone looking to sell quality, high-value products from New Zealand to the rest of the world would be quite horrified at what is happening here. It\u2019s not saying that it should shut down. It\u2019s simply saying a consent should be required, and the consent may specify actions that should be taken\u2014not to shut it down but to ensure that that contamination reduces fairly quickly, because most farmers around the country have had to do this already.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a00bf4f5-c63a-49a0-b0e1-d3b37311377b\u0022 data-id=\u0022181d9a18cafc46258a75869ebd779bf2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a00bf4f5-c63a-49a0-b0e1-d3b37311377b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022181d9a18cafc46258a75869ebd779bf2\u0022\u003ECATHERINE WEDD (National\u2014Tukituki):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022d81e808f63b04e5c9d74f211bf04ed36\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d81e808f63b04e5c9d74f211bf04ed36\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: If we\u2019re going to keep repeating ourselves, then I will take a closure motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022 data-id=\u002286641dd5b3ca481aadafac93924a3950\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286641dd5b3ca481aadafac93924a3950\u0022\u003ESTEVE ABEL (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I have a very specific question on the same clause, but it is a specifically different question, because how does this amendment apply to water bodies that are drinking-water sources? We know that the obligation of our water management systems is to protect sources of drinking water\u2014which are rivers, lakes, and aquifers\u2014from pollution and contamination. It\u2019s a very pertinent question, obviously, because people are right now threatened in terms of their drinking-water supplies from contaminated drinking water\u2014the obvious one, increasing significantly, being nitrate across those areas of high dairy intensity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003ESo my question, Minister, is how does this amendment at clause 15 apply to water bodies that are known drinking-water sources\u2014source water?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022cb7c0d601c8747e9bf31b446127c0b43\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cb7c0d601c8747e9bf31b446127c0b43\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m advised, in relation to that question from Mr Abel, that human drinking water is protected by the drinking-water standards for New Zealand regulations under the Water Services Act, which will remain in force and, in fact, will be improved thorough the Local Water Done Well programme.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be2ab50927fc438fb2bbcc05bed87ea7\u0022\u003ESteve Abel\u003C/span\u003E: So it won\u2019t apply to them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022002dd4dcd17b4989a30a142eadabbb55\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: No, it won\u2019t apply. It\u2019s separate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u0022119119c65b0347caa81084768137efcb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022119119c65b0347caa81084768137efcb\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019m going to jump ahead quite a bit, but I note that my colleagues in the Greens have got a number of amendments in between. But if we go to clause 23A, we see new subpart 5B\u2014and I\u2019m looking here at the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 347. This inserts new subpart 5B, which is \u201CPlanning processes stopped until 31 December 2027\u201D. This is, well, I might call it Draconian, but it\u2019s a major step, and I know the Minister will say that this is to do with the fact that he repealed the Natural and Built Environment Act and the Spatial Planning Act and intends to bring some new resource management laws into Parliament at some stage\u2014I\u2019m looking at page 18 of Amendment Paper 347\u2014so that is why we have to wait until 31 December 2027.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EBut this has got very real effects for a lot of councils, so I think it\u2019s important that we spend some time on it. I know I won\u2019t be the only person who wants to spend some time asking questions around this new subpart 5B, noting, of course, that we only received this major amendment this morning, so this has not been through select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EWhat it seems to be about is that this Act, when it\u2019s an Act, will stop councils from doing any new or progressing with any plan changes. It specifies when things have to be withdrawn and how that happens. However, there are some discretions that the Minister has in deciding whether or not there should be an exemption. I think this is an important point to note. There are automatic exemptions, and there\u2019s also an ability for councils to apply for an exemption. Then, if they do apply for an exemption, there are criteria for the Minister\u2019s consideration. That\u2019s on pages 20, 21, and 22.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EA couple of questions here. One is back on page 19 of the bill, where clause 23A inserts new section 80Q, \u201CWhen proposed planning instruments must be withdrawn\u201D. This is the wording\u2014and I\u2019d like the Minister to comment on this, please, because it is quite confusing. It says, \u201C(1) A local authority must withdraw a proposed planning instrument as soon as possible after this subpart commences, but not later than 90 working days after the commencement of this subpart, unless\u2014\u201D and then there are a number of exemptions. So if the Minister could clarify what he thinks that clause means, that would be useful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EAlso, what I\u2019m more interested in is what analysis has been undertaken of the number of councils and the number of plans that this clause will apply to. Does the Minister know how many plans will be affected? Has there been an analysis of the amount of work that councils have undertaken to get the plans to that stage? What is the nuisance that he\u2019s trying to remedy by stopping the plans until the end of December 2027? The Minister has already said, \u201CWell, there\u2019s always different balances to be had in planning legislation and the relationship between the local and the national.\u201D But has there been some analysis that has determined that all these plans that are going to be stopped or potential plans that are going to be stopped will somehow be inconsistent with his future legislation, yet consistent with this legislation? What are the types of differences, then, that have led to that analysis?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022c1571a0276d44aee8a463cadbb4a8669\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c1571a0276d44aee8a463cadbb4a8669\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E The member makes not an unreasonable point. In answer to her questions\u2014how many and what analysis has been done\u2014officials have undertaken some analysis. We don\u2019t have perfect visibility, as the member will remember from her own time as Minister for the Environment, or Associate Minister. We don\u2019t have perfect visibility in central government land about everything that happens in local government land. We have some visibility over it. There are some plan changes that are yet to start that won\u2019t be able to. There are some at a starting point or that at least have progressed to some extent, but we don\u2019t have perfect visibility over it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI think it would be a mistake to get worked up about that, to be honest, because at a certain level, with Parliament about to replace the Resource Management Act, at some point you have to say, \u201CWell, the old stops and the new starts\u201D, and, you know, reasonable people can debate where and when that is. But there has to be a turning off at some point and a turning on at a new point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9c567a2cd0c4a6eb824f483437fb0fd\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: But people see the legislation and pass it. It\u2019s a mystery at the moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022677c6a943b814c5fa74ee52bdeca85e7\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, yeah, that\u2019s true, except this is a vehicle in order to do that now, to provide legal clarity. Actually, I\u2019ve been getting messages and a bit of a call from councils for legal clarity, and so we\u2019re trying to provide that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI think it\u2019s all sort of all relatively laid out through sections 80P, 80Q, 80QA, 80R, 80S, 80T, etc., inserted by clause 23A. The general rule is planning instruments have to stop unless there\u2019s an exemption, which can be automatic or there\u2019s an exemption through me as the Minister. We\u2019ve worked pretty hard to get that right. So, for example, if there\u2019s planning processes required to give effect to Treaty of Waitangi settlements, that\u2019s all good. There\u2019s a variety of other applications for exemption through section 80U where, you know, the applicant has to provide sufficient information, provide a copy of what the plan is. They have to identify the parts of the instrument for which the exemption is applied for. I can request further information. There\u2019s a criteria that the Minister has to consider.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EI think it\u2019s all pretty clear and laid out. Now, look, reasonable people can disagree about whether or not the balance is right, but the Government\u2019s view is that, frankly, we don\u2019t want councils undertaking long and expensive plan changes over the next two years in advance of the new resource management system coming on stream, because those plan changes will have to change. I mean, to give a sort of obvious notable example, we\u2019ve signalled pretty clearly that the new planning system will require the use of standardised zones. Now, actually, there\u2019s quite a lot of support in the Parliament for greater standardisation at a planning and a zoning level. I think both Labour and the Greens have indicated some support for that concept of the new planning system. Well, we\u2019ve currently got 1,175 different bespoke zones in the country. You know, Christchurch has got 240-something different zones.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7d7b58a2adb4024b231df2836b2fa06\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: 325.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b64c021773974c9ab7c97394d1f8c3ef\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: How many?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c0360e976b04f218669a6b17e4011fd\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s in the 300s.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fbfc59a0c31246fa8808079faf011673\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, it\u2019s in the 300s\u2014OK. Well, you\u2019d know more than I would, as the member for Banks Peninsula. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EBut anyway, the short point is not about Christchurch. The point is we\u2019ve got too many different zones for a country of our size. It\u2019s way too complicated. The new planning system is going to result in fewer zones and it\u2019s going to be easier for councils to use them. But the last thing we want is councils creating even more of a complicated planning environment between now and the new system, so we\u2019re just going to say no. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ENow, there\u2019ll be some things that have to continue. There\u2019s some things which it makes sense to continue, and the law provides a pathway through for that. But the general starting point is \u201CNo, you\u2019ve got to stop; get ready for the new system. Stop focusing on the old system.\u201D Now, you know, reasonable people could disagree about at what point that should be, but I think we\u2019ve worked pretty hard to try and get the balance about right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab9350688620459badc8cbc8d7616119\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab9350688620459badc8cbc8d7616119\u0022\u003ETANGI UTIKERE (Labour\u2014Palmerston North):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, and I thank the Minister for his responses there. This section that relates to clause 23A is of interest to me, as Labour\u2019s local government spokesperson. The Minister does talk about sections 80T and 80U and the like, but I want to ask a question about section 80V, inserted by clause 23A, and that\u2019s about the criteria that the Minister would, basically, have to consider for determining whether an exemption should be granted or not, and that\u2019s a particular section that hasn\u2019t been touched on yet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EBefore I do that, I\u2019m still a little bit perplexed as to how the Minister arrived at the automatic nature of exemptions\u2014what is the driving force around that? Is it around economic growth and no further consideration as to anything else? Perhaps that\u2019s something that might slightly exercise his mind. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EHowever, on section 80V, this is where the Minister would be required to turn their mind to whether or not an exemption would be granted under section 80U, which\u2014OK\u2014outlines the process that a local authority would need to go through to, effectively, lodge one. My question, Minister, is that the nature of the criteria there does seem to be somewhat broad\u2014I mean the final one, section\u00A080V(2)(h), is effectively a catch-all. Basically, it\u2019s anything that the Minister considers appropriate. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EThe other that I want to touch on is section 80V(2)(d), which relates to an exemption that would, effectively, better enable climate change to be managed. Now, what would that look like in terms of a qualitative approach to that, because there\u2019s nothing here that actually guides the Minister\u2019s approach around this? Yes, it\u2019s set criteria, but the wording is very, very vague for something that\u2019s being landed late in the piece. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EThe other one is, for example, in paragraph (g), where this relates to a recommendation from the Environment Court and whether a response to a recommendation would be enabled. Well, a response could be anything from something minor to something a little bit more fulsome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002262ff759d-9586-405a-a6e6-208ad65adeb5\u0022\u003EMy question to the Minister, really, is: what is going to guide the exercise of the consideration of those criteria, or is it simply that it\u2019s actually fully in the ambit of the Minister to determine what they\u2019d consider as appropriate for each of those? There\u2019s no sort of suggestion that there\u2019d be any underlying\u2014not that there could possibly be; well, I don\u2019t think there could be some secondary legislation around that. This is a primary legislation aspect, but what would, effectively, be driving the Minister\u2019s consideration in a range of those various options?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022f910716191b44a528646c557d10a0147\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f910716191b44a528646c557d10a0147\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Chair, thank you. Good questions. In relation to the automatic exemptions, we thought pretty carefully about the automatic ones, and subsection (2) in section 80T lays them out, and I think this is difficult for people who disagree with them, to be honest. The streamlined planning processes are largely an effect of the housing plan changes. The other ones relate to natural hazards\u2014planning instruments, for example, which I think everyone\u2019s in favour that we do a better job on. Section 80T(2)(h) relates to Treaty of Waitangi settlements. So I think those all make pretty straightforward sense.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIn relation to section 80V, the member\u2019s points, he asks what will guide the Minister in terms of decisions. Well, the law will be the primary, and, in fact, the only starting point, because we\u2019re a Government that believes in the rule of law. So, ultimately, the Minister will have to be guided by the law that\u2019s laid out in section 80V.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EHe asks about climate change to be managed. Well, one example of that is plan changes that give effect to areas that have been identified as flood risk, for example, as a result of climate change, where you may wish to put in place prohibitions against building. I\u2019m just thinking out loud, but that\u2019s an example of where you would want a plan change to potentially go ahead, not at all fettering my discretion if I am indeed the Minister who ends up applying that section.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EYou\u2019re right, paragraph (h) in section 80V(2) is a catch-all, which is that there will always be a range of circumstances that the law can\u2019t envisage, so paragraph (h) is there as a bit of a catch-all just in case it\u2019s required. It\u2019s a relatively exhaustive list at 80V(2)(a) through (g). Again, I think reasonable people can disagree, but I think we\u2019ve got the balance about right. But, yeah, fair question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u00227acd6f4de7674fdc837465be549c186b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227acd6f4de7674fdc837465be549c186b\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. There are some more questions on this subpart from me. When a local authority or council might apply for an exemption\u2014they can do that\u2014I\u2019m wondering whether he is expecting it to be just in a letter form. What is the expectation there? I note that they must provide with its application\u2014rather than applying in writing; application sounds more formal\u2014a copy of the proposed planning document. My question here is: what if a council is considering doing a plan change that they haven\u2019t yet drafted up\u2014and they won\u2019t draft up if the Minister\u2019s going to say no; they\u2019ll wait till 31 December 2027, over a year after whenever our next election is. So how much work do they put into it? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EI was talking with some people from Otago, unsurprisingly, the other day, and the air plan is, I\u2019m told, very out of date. At the moment, it\u2019s a permitted activity to burn the plastic wrap that hay bales come in. That is something that probably should not be a permitted activity. There are other aspects of that air plan that are quite out of date. Can they write to the Minister and say, \u201COur air plan is quite out of date, and we\u2019d like to change it to address these issues, A, B, and C.\u201D. or do they have to actually draft the entire instrument before they can apply to the Minister? The consequence of this could be that a lot of matters that need small changes could be delayed unnecessarily for some time. That\u2019s one question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThen going over to proposed new section 80V, set out on the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 347, and the criteria that the Minister\u2019s just discussed\u2014I note that he said that paragraph (h) was a catch-all. Does he think, then, that (h) will be able to be applied to housing and infrastructure? Some of the lawyers that I\u2019ve been talking today are worried that this criteria will slow down housing and infrastructure plan changes, because they\u2019re not included there. Then a further question to that is: has he considered the impacts on improving human health that could relate back to my air plan issue or, in fact, benefiting the environment in any way? I appreciate the climate change issues being included in that criteria, but was there consideration of those other issues? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThen going back to this catch-all in (h), how does it relate to Part 2 of the Act? Does the Minister assume that if he\u2019s considering for any other reason that it will have to be consistent with the purpose of the Act in sustainable management, or does he think it doesn\u2019t have to be? Would it be useful to refer specifically to Part 2 in that catch-all, and is that something that he has considered or would consider, or would like me to write an amendment on?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022c6f6a5d092334b0abc37e4c5a3df1fbb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c6f6a5d092334b0abc37e4c5a3df1fbb\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Well, in relation to the member\u2019s questions\u2014there\u2019s quite a range there. Councils can apply via letter if they would like, or there will be a variety of ways. The normal way of correspondence in this country is still letters\u2014albeit PDFs\u2014but letters work; that\u2019s all good. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe member asks, essentially, a series of hypotheticals about what councils may or may not be doing at a time. I\u2019m not going to entertain hypotheticals. If the amendment meets with the approval of the committee, then people will be able to follow the law and take legal advice as well. Given I may end up being a decision maker on that, I don\u2019t necessarily want to get in the way of hypotheticals relating to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThe member asked about housing and infrastructure. There are actually automatic exemptions for some of the housing stuff already. For example, intensified streamline planning processes, which are essentially housing processes, are automatically exempt, and likewise draft planning instruments that implement the requirements of a national policy statement\u2014for example, the National Policy Statement for Urban Development, etc. There are potentially also catch-alls, but the catch-all that the member talks about, which is paragraph (h), could potentially cover that off. It\u2019s not the intention to stymie housing and infrastructure plan changes that are sensible between now and the new system starting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022 data-id=\u00222ec9ff6874804344a9848b8e527ec42c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222ec9ff6874804344a9848b8e527ec42c\u0022\u003ERACHEL BOYACK (Labour\u2014Nelson):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to come to some parts of the bill that have not been discussed, I believe, tonight, and I will probably have some follow-up questions for the Minister responsible for RMA Reform on what I believe might be one of his favourite topics, and that is the Gordon Wilson apartments. So let\u2019s dig in, team. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003EI just want to start by looking at clause 20, which amends section 80C of the Resource Management Act (RMA), and I\u2019m just looking at the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 347 and looking on page\u2014I\u2019ll help with the page number, if helpful\u201423. My question is, because this is obviously the first time we\u2019ve seen this particular part of the legislation, and just to put on record, I don\u2019t think there\u2019s anyone in this House that wants to see these apartments live another day, so, you know, I am appreciative\u2014a \u201Cspeak up now or forever hold your peace\u201D kind of moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003EThe question I\u2019ve got is: why is it that we actually need a specific section in the Act rather than actually amending the RMA so that that can then be applied for this particular circumstance? The reason I ask that is there will probably be other examples around the country that would fit this description. Why is it that we need a separate provision specifically for the Gordon Wilson Flats rather than actually amending the legislation so that that can be applied for the Gordon Wilson Flats and other heritage-listed buildings that meet the same set of criteria?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003EI do have some more questions that will probably need to come under Part 2 because they\u2019re around the schedule and amend other instruments related to Wellington City Council. I wouldn\u2019t mind some clarification from the Chair that I can raise those under later parts rather than now, so some advice on that would be helpful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003EBut my first question to the Minister is: why do we need an entire new section put in here rather than actually amending the RMA to a point where we will be able to achieve that and then also apply it to other scenarios that are very, very similar, because they will happen again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u002297155d5a598f4c53a39af84198ff912f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297155d5a598f4c53a39af84198ff912f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Just to clarify for the member, you\u2019re very welcome to ask questions about Part 2 in Part 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022 data-id=\u0022193487311a4543f09b66830371c061ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022193487311a4543f09b66830371c061ef\u0022\u003ELAN PHAM (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Again, I am on a clause that has not yet been discussed, and I want to use this as an example, because it\u2019s a little clause on page 13. It is clause 13, \u201CSection 43A amended (Contents of national environmental standards)\u201D. It appears, at face value, to not have any significant implications, but if you actually read the Resource Management Act (RMA) and the implications for it, you can understand that it\u2019s very significant, because this is a clause in the bill that makes a change to the national environmental standards in relation to aquaculture. The clause \u201Cmay \u2026 state that an application by a consent holder to change or cancel [consent] conditions must be treated as \u2026 a controlled or restricted discretionary activity\u201D, it sets out that the councils would need to \u201Cstate the matters over which control is reserved or discretion is restricted.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003ENow, our amendment is actually just to delete this clause. That\u2019s because the implications of this clause are that these controlled activities can then not be declined, meaning that even if there was an application to change or cancel those consent conditions, they must be granted. This would be the case even if the condition was actually important to control these things that we and our communities all care about\u2014things like adverse effects on the environment, and things like adverse effects on our communities, on people, or even other consent holders who have rights under their own existing consents.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002246269786-ecb4-40e2-972a-e287c495bdec\u0022\u003EWe don\u2019t believe that this clause will ensure that the effects of aquaculture are actually managed in an effective way, and we would like the consideration that it\u2019s deleted. This is particularly in the context of this further dismantling of environmental protections that we\u2019ve seen from this Government, particularly when it comes to this blanket extension that all marine consent holders were given out to 2050. This is another aspect of that where, again, any protections or standards that are in place are being weakened. I would really like to hear the Minister\u2019s comments as to why he thinks changes of this magnitude are, again, justified in this way when he\u2019s looking at the RMA system? This has not only significant impacts but could actually cause confusion and complexity in the interim towards this new bill. Why is it in here? We\u2019re proposing that it\u2019s deleted. I\u2019d love to hear if the Minister would consider that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022 data-id=\u00221f72a6d4ee07497182e92dccb7787a06\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d4f894dc-da63-4b45-9c2a-c07b41a65e64\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221f72a6d4ee07497182e92dccb7787a06\u0022\u003EDr VANESSA WEENINK (National\u2014Banks Peninsula):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022af8bc0673d3e49d388d9e20b9c730524\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022af8bc0673d3e49d388d9e20b9c730524\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I have to say we are getting close, and we\u2019re starting to go backwards in the bill. So, please, keep the material new in areas that we haven\u2019t yet covered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u002217c70f7194e24f6a8626fe499701bd06\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002217c70f7194e24f6a8626fe499701bd06\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Noting that I\u2019ve jumped ahead again, so people might want to jump back to areas that have not been touched at all, and noting there are a lot of Amendment Papers on this bill, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EI want to talk about new section 106A and the changes to that\u2014and these are changes that were made at the select committee. That is in clause 37, but actually, before I get to clause 37, I just note in the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper, it goes from clause 33 to clause 36; there is no 34 or 35, and that is because those bits were deleted by the select committee. I\u2019m wondering if that\u2019s meaningful in any way in terms of the Minister\u2019s amendment, and if the numbers need to change, but that is not my substantive point. My substantive point is about new section 106A. This is when a council\u2014a territorial authority\u2014can refuse land-use consent in certain circumstances. It\u2019s a really important section in the Resource Management Act, because it\u2019s about hazards and where there are hazards as a reason for saying no to somebody wanting to put something in a place that\u2019s not suitable. The intent of the changes, as the bill was introduced\u2014as I understood it\u2014was to strengthen those natural hazard provisions, and that is something that I commend, and we need more of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EHowever, after the discussion and submissions on this point, there\u2019s been an addition at new section 106A, subsection (4), that this provision to stop people putting things in hazard areas doesn\u2019t apply if it\u2019s the \u201C(a) construction, upgrade, maintenance, or operation of infrastructure; or (b) primary production activities, as described in the national planning standards.\u201D I would like the Minister to explain why he thinks this exception is needed, particularly for infrastructure. I can understand if you have a couple of sheep in an area that might be a hazard-prone area, that might be an exemption\u2014but then you wouldn\u2019t be needing a land-use consent in the first place; land-use consents are needed for when you\u2019re building stuff, generally. In that circumstance, you might not even need a land-use consent\u2014although sometimes you might, so I might be answering on behalf of the Minister on primary production. If primary production includes things like sheds, why would we have sheds in hazard areas?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EMore importantly, I can see there\u2019s some arguments for primary production. I can\u2019t see the arguments for building new infrastructure. Maybe maintaining old infrastructure\u2014but then, again, you probably wouldn\u2019t need the trigger of a land-use consent. Why would you exempt the construction of infrastructure from this provision that is trying to stop us from building things in hazard zones? It does seem that this addition that was added at the select committee seems to go against the whole point of the other amendments, to section 106A\u2014which, I think, were good amendments\u2014to try and make it easier for councils to be able to say no to activities that are going to be in hazard areas where there\u2019s a significant risk from natural hazards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022 data-id=\u00222f88f54cb3664406854cd4b4296f2ca7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222f88f54cb3664406854cd4b4296f2ca7\u0022\u003ESCOTT WILLIS (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. It\u2019s nice to be able to take a call after the dinner break, when everyone\u2019s feeling all cheery, having had a good meal and something to drink, as I\u2019m sure members opposite have, with the Movember visit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EMy question relates to clause 29, inserting new section 88BA. I particularly want to relate it to Amendment Paper 307. There are several questions\u2014well, a couple of questions, actually. One of them is\u2014and I\u2019ve asked this question previously, without an answer. I think where it says, \u201Cspecified energy activity\u201D, it actually relates to the burning of biomass. To make it really clear, section 88BA says: \u201CCertain consents must be processed and decided no later than 1 year after lodgement (1) The time period in which a consent authority must process and decide an application for a resource consent for a specified energy activity or wood processing activity (the time period) is 1 year after the date the application is lodged.\u201D The first question is: could the Minister clarify exactly what is meant by \u201Cspecified energy activity\u201D? That\u2019s the first question. The second question\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022099ff3fa0dbd48e3a7ae52950ea31389\u0022\u003ERyan Hamilton\u003C/span\u003E: Read the glossary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1dd2f16e8d7493f9907ac1473104596\u0022\u003ESCOTT WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: I realise that there\u2019s helpful input coming from other members, but the Minister might just like to clarify that shortly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EThe other question I\u2019ve got, really, is around this concern that we have that when we have wood processing activities, there may be issues with chemical residues or toxic discharge into waterways that will require greater consideration. We hear from this Government that evidence-based policy is really important\u2014we don\u2019t see it, but we hear it. In this case, it would be helpful if we understood that the Government wanted to take care before allowing activities that put our environment at further risk, further polluting our environment. In that case, we suggest that we need greater flexibility prior to consenting, prior to ensuring that there is a simple one-year cut-off date. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003EWe believe that the time-period extensions should be granted if further information is required to support that decision making, particularly when it relates to the environmental effects such as chemical discharge, toxic discharge\u2014that\u2019s not always clear or obvious in the applications. If the Minister would like to consider the amendment that we\u2019ve put forward, set out on Amendment Paper 307\u2014which is: \u201CAfter clause 29, new section 88BA(2) (page 22 after line 31), insert (2A) Despite subsection (1), a consent authority may extend the time period if it has requested further information from the applicant under section 92(1) or commissioned a report under section 92(2). (2B) An extension under subsection (2A) must not be for longer than is necessary for the information requested or commissioned to be available.\u201D, and: \u201CIn clause 29, new section 88BA(5), after \u2018If the time period is extended\u2019 (page 23, line 25), insert \u2018(other than an extension under subsection (2A))\u2019.\u201D\u2014that would be helpful. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u002257dd7ef663e14fefa2d47f1d684c8a4a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002257dd7ef663e14fefa2d47f1d684c8a4a\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E I feel like it\u2019s Back to the Future. We\u2019ve dealt with this issue three hours ago, which is the definition of \u201Cspecified energy infrastructure\u201D. We\u2019ve dealt with this. In answer to the member\u2019s question about what the definition of it is, it\u2019s in the bill. Read it. It\u2019s in the bill. We\u2019re not proposing to adopt the member\u2019s amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ETo deal with the other issues that have been raised just in the last few minutes, in relation to Rachel Boyack\u2019s amendment around Gordon Wilson Flats, I acknowledge it\u2019s an unusual use of Parliament\u2019s power to delist and make permitted activity the demolition or something. It\u2019s an extreme circumstance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244967dc4-6cc7-4567-b8ef-cc3a9b354544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ae1b1c901f34030a998a4d97332a468\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: Overdue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c3fd95b995b45d985a5c695ce7b3c33\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Overdue. That\u2019s a good point. Some people feel quite strongly about this eyesore on the Wellington vista. It is an unusual use of Parliament\u2019s time and energy, but I think it\u2019s worth doing. It\u2019s been widely welcomed by Wellingtonians. We\u2019re not proposing to use the same process for other heritage-based or alleged heritage entities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b8550e1a-ed25-44a2-b0e2-b0a8d52a7a80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab4964d0220e4444af9ccd3db2824ca2\u0022\u003ERachel Boyack\u003C/span\u003E: Not the one out the back of Parliament?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fb8075655e664bc1835d2ee18d067fd4\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s tempting, but no. But help is on the way, because the member also asked why we don\u2019t just make it easier to delist things, and the good news is the bill does that. It sets up a streamlined planning process in order to delist heritage buildings. The bill does that, and I fully anticipate that there is a variety of heritage buildings that will potentially apply for that. In fact, the Wellington City Council, as I understand it, is already creating a list, including the gas tank\u2014the alleged gas tank\u2014that\u2019s protected out in Island Bay. You never know\u2014you may well see an application from the Parliamentary Service for the press gallery annex, which is also, allegedly, heritage listed. You never know\u2014Mr Speaker may well write me a letter. Let\u2019s wait and see.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIn relation to Lan Pham\u2019s question about the national environmental standards, I\u2019m advised that the policy makes it easy to change or cancel conditions on marine farm consents, helping marine farmers innovate while consents are active. The bill enables the national environmental standards to contain rules that specify where an application for a change or cancellation of consent conditions for agricultural activities must be considered as a controlled or restricted discretionary activity. These provisions cannot be used to fundamentally alter or expand the original consent activity and cannot result in materially different adverse effects compared to the original activity. For example, the provisions could not be used to increase the number of salmon that could be farmed under a consent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIn relation to Rachel Brooking\u2019s question about amended section 106, it\u2019s a legitimate point about why there\u2019s an exemption for land-use consents in relation to construction, upgrade, maintenance, and operation of infrastructure. It\u2019s about the balance. Infrastructure is of critical importance as well, and there will be circumstances in which that is appropriate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002244967dc4-6cc7-4567-b8ef-cc3a9b354544\u0022 data-id=\u00225f0a6cdf946b4e3cbf05710889d27f88\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244967dc4-6cc7-4567-b8ef-cc3a9b354544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225f0a6cdf946b4e3cbf05710889d27f88\u0022\u003EGRANT McCALLUM (National\u2014Northland):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u0022bfc44525fb6b425ab3c896a8dee89261\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bfc44525fb6b425ab3c896a8dee89261\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We are getting very close, and I do note that the record that I have in front of me shows that there is now quite a bit of repetition appearing. So if we\u2019re not going to get any new material, I will take a closure motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u00226e1a513aa5604d4da1989867ffcfb67a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e1a513aa5604d4da1989867ffcfb67a\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E All new material, I can assure you. There\u2019s quite a lot more in this Amendment Paper to go, let alone the bill as reported back from the Environment Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EMy first question is, looking at Amendment Paper 347, about a change to clause 41, \u201CSection 123 amended (Duration of consent)\u201D. Now it includes different replacing and inserting, and now it includes a reference to section 125 of the Resource Management Act (RMA). I\u2019m just wondering why it is that section 125 has been included in there, what the rationale is for that change between the Amendment Paper and the bill as reported back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003ENow I\u2019m going on to clause 44A, \u201CNew sections 127A to 127C inserted\u201D, and this is all about that great region\u2014the best place in the country of course is Otago. Members might recall that about a year or so ago, in the committee stage of a bill, without notice, the Government did an amendment and stopped the Otago Regional Council from notifying their land and water plan. Now I guess they don\u2019t need to feel left out, because everyone else is going to be stopped as well until the end of December 2027, but now there\u2019s all these specific provisions regarding the issuing of new water permits in Otago. My first question on this point is: if that Otago land and water plan that was going to be notified had been notified, would these changes in this legislation now have been needed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EA more specific question is that there are limits on how long the water permits can be for. There\u2019s a six-year limit, but there is an exception for that, and that includes hydro power. I\u2019m wondering if there also needs to be an exception for drinking water, or if the other provisions in the RMA are already sufficient for drinking water. Then, again, another question about the sort of advice that this Government may have sought or not sought on the implications of having the six-year limit on these water plans and what sort of water takes will be affected by it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EIf he could also comment on new section 127C, \u201CExtension of certain existing water permits under Regional Plan: Water for Otago\u201D, and it has to do with an expiry date. It says, \u201C5 years\u201D, but then, if the permit was granted on or after 18 March 2020 and for a duration of no more than six years and the permit is valid on the commencement date, why do we have this new section 127C when we already have 127B? If the Minister could explain the relationship between those two provisions and what existing permits might be picked up by one and not the other, and is it just that some are existing and some are new, and, again, what the analysis has been of the water permits that might be in the pipeline, so to speak, to be new ones, with the six-year limit, and what is the extension of them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EIf he could explain that and, also, my earlier point of, if he hadn\u2019t stopped the notification of the land and water plan, would these provisions have been needed. What is the problem here that is trying to be fixed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022 data-id=\u00220737c37733cf45e78571dfd9d4b7e3c5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220737c37733cf45e78571dfd9d4b7e3c5\u0022\u003ESTEVE ABEL (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, I very much appreciate the call. I\u2019m going to zero in on a very specific thing, to be clear that this is not repetition. It is about clause 37. My colleague Rachel Brooking asked a question on this that has not been answered. The question specifically related to the definition of natural hazards in that clause. Just to clarify, it\u2019s a clause that gives the right of councils to put conditions where there are significant risks from natural hazards, but it gives a carve-out which means that councils are not allowed to put conditions on activities defined as primary production activities in the national planning standards, and those are\u2014because this is the question that my colleague asked. Primary production activities could include any aquaculture, mining, agriculture, pastural, quarrying of forestry, any processing or ancillary activities of those activities, and any land, buildings, or infrastructure used for the production of commodities from those activities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003ESo an explicit definition: my uncle, who is an orchardist and had a processing barn for dealing with his citrus fruit and his feijoas, might have wanted to put that in a flood plain. This carve-out would prohibit the council from refusing a consent for that. So ancillary buildings to do with the processing of primary production\u2014that\u2019s but one example. I just would love if the Minister could clarify why it would be beneficial, given that we know farmers are on the front line of the impacts of extreme weather events, and putting buildings in high-hazard areas seems senseless. If a council has an ability to dissuade a farmer from doing that through not giving consent, that surely is a better outcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e29c400e-467a-4398-818d-270ef48b80cf\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s a specific amendment that relates to this, Madam Chair\u2014I\u2019ll be done before two minutes is up. It is Amendment Paper 317, and it would amend clause 37 by replacing subsection (4) of section\u00A0106A\u2014that carve-out which gives a special exemption to primary production. It\u2019s not that the councils can\u2019t consent those activities; it\u2019s just that they should have the option of not consenting them if they\u2019re going to cause a natural hazard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u0022b5121bbdb15d49e0b2abe4474517b264\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b5121bbdb15d49e0b2abe4474517b264\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. A number of new questions, and I\u2019m going to go through both the Amendment Paper and the bill as reported back from the select committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThe first questions relate to Amendment Paper 347 and new \u201CAmendments to Part 7A of principal Act\u201D. Clause 46A includes new Subpart 1AB, \u201CRestrictions on section 128 reviews of conditions of extended coastal permits\u201D, and I think this is related to the provisions directly above it as well, at clause 45, which inserts new section 128(4). It would be useful if the Minister could comment on how these changes, which relate to \u201CRestrictions on section 128 reviews of conditions of extended coastal permits\u201D, relate to the legislation that went through the House last year regarding marine farms and their 20-year extensions. If this is following that logic, or if it\u2019s to be for different types of coastal activities, that would be useful to know\u2014and how reviews are being undertaken, remembering, of course, that in that marine farm legislation, if a regional council chose to undertake a review, and they only had a two-year period to do it, the council had to pay for the review itself and not the applicant. Is this in any way similar to that, remembering, of course, that we\u2019ve only seen this amendment today? That\u2019s one of my questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThen, if we move back to the bill as it was reported back from the select committee, I had a question\u2014that\u2019s now moved. I\u2019m interested that the Government members opposite keep jumping up and trying to close this debate when we\u2019ve only seen this Amendment Paper today, and it\u2019s 80\u00A0pages. They want to just close the debate rather than ask the Minister very reasonable questions about what this review is going to mean. I have, in fact, lost my place on the bill as reported back from the select committee, so I will go to the next issue on Amendment Paper 347. This is an amendment to clause 50.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EI\u2019m jumping around, noting that my colleagues, I\u2019m sure, will have questions on the bits in between. Clause 50 amends section 168A, and that\u2019s the \u201CNotice of requirement by territorial authority\u201D. Part of this bill is to make it simpler for designations to occur\u2014to put it very simply. That is an issue that we\u2019ve been supporting. However, the Amendment Paper is removing, at clause 50(1), new section 168A(3)(c): \u201Cif the requiring authority has an interest in the land sufficient for undertaking the work, and the work is likely to result in any significant adverse effect on the environment, any possible alternative locations or methods for undertaking the activity;\u201D. That has been struck out, as has the further consideration at what was subclause 50(2). \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThe question is: why has that change been made to this designation process, where it\u2019s the requirement\u2014you know, requiring authorities. The need to look at alternative locations was only when there was going to be a significant adverse effect, not when there was just an adverse effect; you didn\u2019t need to look at alternatives. Now, even if there is a significant adverse effect, the requiring authority no longer appears to need to look for any alternative locations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThis is something that often happens with road building, and I\u2019m presuming that this could mean that there would be a relationship, then, with the taking of land for the designation. If you can explain where it is that those changes come from, and what it is that it\u2019s supposed to do, and if it relates to the other legislation that is going through select committees at the moment about the Public Works Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022907497f643234d9ba39b96fa0244f20c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022907497f643234d9ba39b96fa0244f20c\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ll deal with a few of these questions, which I think are relatively easily dealt with. The member Rachel Brooking asked about whether something would be required if something hadn\u2019t happened. Well, I don\u2019t know. The point is it did happen. It\u2019s sort of difficult to answer that in a way that makes logical sense. Something did happen, so we are now dealing with what is before the House right now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6b481daf0a34320bb5167089c21a9f1\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: This is a regional council. The Otago water plan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201047540093742abb75a87f9f3b8e6cd\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Correct. The answer is I don\u2019t know, because it did happen. It\u2019s sort of irrelevant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf26b44fc39241fb8cf10ffee2889cb8\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s totally relevant, because we\u2019re taking\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c72c9d22d004a2986f4cc0128866152\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s sort of irrelevant what may or may not have happened, because it did happen. It\u2019s an interesting thought experiment, but Parliament doesn\u2019t usually indulge itself in those things.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ESteve Abel asks about the exemption for primary production. The short point is that there\u2019s a whole variety of stuff that happens in primary production which isn\u2019t affected by natural hazards. It\u2019s not a threat to life. It just goes on, and so I don\u2019t think that we should be particularly concerned about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ERachel Brooking asks about the two different types of things in the proposed new section at 127B and 127C. The short answer there is that one is for new takes and one is for existing takes. She also asks around coastal permits, which is in section 128. Yes, it is a follow-on from the changes made last year, but it\u2019s a relatively discrete set of changes, and I think it makes logical sense.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022 data-id=\u002286425722b3054416a95f90d4640389dd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002294b52412-f97b-4bbd-8009-5dc49520f7f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286425722b3054416a95f90d4640389dd\u0022\u003ERYAN HAMILTON (National\u2014Hamilton East):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223f00609062c348c5b7172524fcfcb381\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00226e84a854ce9448c693925c4e78064a88\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e84a854ce9448c693925c4e78064a88\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Amendment Paper 347 relating to Part 1, set out on Amendment Paper 348, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00221233a8960ec8421eb067672c959eb1ee\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendments be agreed\u00A0to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002230230138afc04e0fb417074ac16a7b6c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002230230138afc04e0fb417074ac16a7b6c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s tabled amendments to Amendment Paper 347, amending clause 23B be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00228c87a7406a074a33842b4f0ddb89351f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendments be agreed\u00A0to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227edd2bd671a14f16b123cc520dd29682\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227edd2bd671a14f16b123cc520dd29682\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Rachel Brooking\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 347, deleting paragraph (ca) in the definition of \u201Cspecified energy activity\u201D in new section 2(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022759b69155d1d49bdb5fc2e44ccae3b2b\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002212beb78dc15d4603ac8a4b2137614892\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212beb78dc15d4603ac8a4b2137614892\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 1, set out on Amendment Paper 347, as amended, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d50deba59e22400984037af4b35b0c24\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments, as amended, agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022db9973e15ce84b6893c959894cb9773e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022db9973e15ce84b6893c959894cb9773e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Scott Willis\u2019 amendment set out on Amendment Paper 295 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00227d0452cd40ce4b73a55aa64e09b19041\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00226a2528ff0ee44c9e9b20a518b0df6cb0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226a2528ff0ee44c9e9b20a518b0df6cb0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 296 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226751a7ee62644e199d87a9122a598a8f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e3b2a1bd99234202aa1a4022ec4c99a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e3b2a1bd99234202aa1a4022ec4c99a5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Julie Anne Genter\u2019s amendments set out on Amendment Paper 297 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225c62da1345624371b75e69e6ef10fa67\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022c39d92d6935f4878a719e2a26d5b5695\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c39d92d6935f4878a719e2a26d5b5695\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Julie Anne Genter\u2019s amendments set out on Amendment Paper 298 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226226a2d578634004adc2282415b621b1\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f500acd082cc4767857f448d9a4cd40f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f500acd082cc4767857f448d9a4cd40f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 299 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f489c9007ad345218e714f1a3595efd6\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f5039863ce2f4df0a3efeeabdeae71a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f5039863ce2f4df0a3efeeabdeae71a1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 300 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00220d66a0228ed74cf79472ff7efa5090fd\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00226627a8c9c1a94fafac2068cf3419a16d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226627a8c9c1a94fafac2068cf3419a16d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 301 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225759156aabc74189bd8fa8eed4d5c206\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef9c5c79f34949bb9357f6783be7db54\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef9c5c79f34949bb9357f6783be7db54\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 302 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222776413bbe844ebe98237472e78d92e3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002283605036dccc4296a36f4735d7e166d0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002283605036dccc4296a36f4735d7e166d0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 303 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002234224aae285b4ca1a6b4829d7b27cfae\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00228dae6f3e1ee047569a252be360475ee4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228dae6f3e1ee047569a252be360475ee4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 304 is ruled out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 305 be agreed\u00A0to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002266d2256dd8cf421f9594c9ff4134e994\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00223ae725da832e4ef1a77cc44652323850\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223ae725da832e4ef1a77cc44652323850\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Tamatha Paul\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 334 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022b60779da9b404bb8a0866820ffc80e4d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 20\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 102\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 11;\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First\u00A08.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b4f2ccb5014a4ee388b230315741d338\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b4f2ccb5014a4ee388b230315741d338\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Tamatha Paul\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 335 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002293bea58c720e4f788d04e2ecb52129b7\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 20\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 102\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 11;\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First\u00A08.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b34c52bb09d54af0a1c68ab4e8563182\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b34c52bb09d54af0a1c68ab4e8563182\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Tamatha Paul\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 336 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00220eff7931c3714b1cb4aea313871686dc\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 20\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 102\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First\u00A08.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022a5bb246d39ba496aa1bd492fbfc3a128\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a5bb246d39ba496aa1bd492fbfc3a128\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 306 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022cc80e46b528e4d1a80213e10f643cabe\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227b8244cd95c14b70ab49fc91a35150e6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b8244cd95c14b70ab49fc91a35150e6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendments set out on Amendment Paper 307 be agreed to. The Noes have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224356bb93527f4d08be69b858ce236aa7\u0022\u003EScott Willis\u003C/span\u003E: The Ayes have it\u2014party vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223dfcb5a6670f49b789923b4bb0b1bffb\u0022\u003EHon Chris Bishop\u003C/span\u003E: No, you can\u2019t do that. You didn\u2019t even say \u201CYea\u201D or \u201CNay\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd0f8869e53f4428b92afbc1d01a80e2\u0022\u003EScott Willis\u003C/span\u003E: I did, but it was a bit quiet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b3a2c84163140c4b7a0787eb3fba7fb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: No, I didn\u2019t actually hear anyone vote before this side said \u201CNo\u201D. I\u2019m going to make a call on that one and say the Noes have it. [Interruption] And I\u2019ll run the committee, Mr Minister. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022 data-id=\u0022e6708cd7a5a34d9c9ca9d46c191f7977\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1f7bbd1-b6ae-41c0-963b-dbe1251f5540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e6708cd7a5a34d9c9ca9d46c191f7977\u0022\u003EHon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Madam Chair. I mean, we can only go by what we hear, but I heard a \u201CNo\u201D, and I heard two calls for a party vote. I\u2019m sitting pretty much parallel to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227def147313de43e6b1999ea018bf248f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227def147313de43e6b1999ea018bf248f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I didn\u2019t hear the vote. I heard the party vote called afterwards, but I did not hear. It was very silent over here in that initial stage. I can only go by what I hear, as well, Mr McAnulty, so I\u2019m going to leave that call where it is, because the vote didn\u2019t come forth from the beginning on that side. A party vote was called for, but the vote wasn\u2019t originally cast.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EThe question is that H\u016Bhana Lyndon\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 308 be agreed to. All those in favour say Aye.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022535b2830d45c447bbc1ed22f58cc52e7\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Aye!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212a9793a67d24bde8abda46503bd80f2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: To the contrary, No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed43f6f82e554534a6fba825517e9181\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: No!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a586c7d4bfb462fa7f77f777caad239\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Noes have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a6489ff5-e18c-4c19-958d-3cec5c52c0cc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fd5de22a9da48a88f7007d985ee2aeb\u0022\u003EScott Willis\u003C/span\u003E: The Ayes have it\u2014party vote.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212ed0515cd97476d876939489b596beb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: A party vote has been called for, please, Clerk. Now, that was very clear. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022cfbcfd6a650f4346889d36154366b548\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment set out on Amendment Paper 308 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b3b1403880d849e6a98fc8a7ab565742\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b3b1403880d849e6a98fc8a7ab565742\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 309 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002219907479fc4d4d66b62196bd1ca33be3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002281913e2c2c6b4f4a9c97c1dcd748b5b8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281913e2c2c6b4f4a9c97c1dcd748b5b8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Scott Willis\u2019 amendment set out on Amendment Paper 310 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226927916a20184efcafa366eb87f3a140\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000752\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00224b885fcc16fd483499594b31d1356d00\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224b885fcc16fd483499594b31d1356d00\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 311 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022fd28efa55e054a0d8dcfb8e29e2c5058\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00222a309770066841d8a6628a83f8d0b600\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222a309770066841d8a6628a83f8d0b600\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 312 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022db1db8e20b6a4ca8ac634f5eec9f0b7b\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022b88a899d9a554e579b020efafa4b181b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b88a899d9a554e579b020efafa4b181b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 313 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226aa93e7d1bef4d1c8e97c3c7a039e380\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002243c95fa6532941f9b97a0a02c39e1508\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000756\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002243c95fa6532941f9b97a0a02c39e1508\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Francisco Hernandez\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 314 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022ea9cd1ef516f48a58bf072bfb4879c70\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00229dc15d7d928e437693ccd412e1f323ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000757\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229dc15d7d928e437693ccd412e1f323ee\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 315 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a597de243f6442679baf59c05013b7aa\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00225d81da2516c246b2ba9d154a9ecdc926\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225d81da2516c246b2ba9d154a9ecdc926\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Francisco Hernandez\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 316 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f3c9dec619844a6cb571198e6cefa3bb\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002286b07fbd66ab49088fd319f1c7a342a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286b07fbd66ab49088fd319f1c7a342a8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Rachel Brooking\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 37, deleting new section 106A(4) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d031375def8b4da1b60a69ec990e2801\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022f8a76fcfe11949e6b15e78ac2eac5c64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f8a76fcfe11949e6b15e78ac2eac5c64\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Steve Abel\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 317 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022cf83cd7a04204919bba4ff66cb6eb199\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022c63b1bb98db14fc7b7a3f690ccf46126\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c63b1bb98db14fc7b7a3f690ccf46126\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 318 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e3f69e3bf8104e22a44f0418da2baf15\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00222bb81fe6974a464d8ebd67c5f51bf6c5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222bb81fe6974a464d8ebd67c5f51bf6c5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Scott Willis\u2019 amendment set out on Amendment Paper 319 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d379de7f82254fe699d57cd031de12dd\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022cdb246a3d7044d54b0a48f83ef6dc6cd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cdb246a3d7044d54b0a48f83ef6dc6cd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that H\u016Bhana Lyndon\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 320 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002202c0399a26bc4b8093ff7173f99db6c7\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00229811657311904fe18877cc6342f99345\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229811657311904fe18877cc6342f99345\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Scott Willis\u2019 amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 321 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f1f99395e8dc437c8faf516cba0dc382\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022db0afca43227426caf513c51c1017796\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022db0afca43227426caf513c51c1017796\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Scott Willis\u2019 amendment set out on Amendment Paper 322 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e58bdbe4c8f44a99bb8d7dd693636615\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227e16206cb5fa4f17b14ec0c58e5b1be4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227e16206cb5fa4f17b14ec0c58e5b1be4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that H\u016Bhana Lyndon\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 323 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222974f813589a46068d9a270b085eea4d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227a17dbc688714f5fa90972147663419f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000767\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227a17dbc688714f5fa90972147663419f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that H\u016Bhana Lyndon\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 324 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022026f2013d617492da96395533dbf2bac\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00227499fc1f3cb44b9b947a0503b497c195\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000768\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227499fc1f3cb44b9b947a0503b497c195\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Steve Abel\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 325 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f5f0abb4a6f94c229aff152b2918b965\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022963cf390c4dd4fa5bdb2a198bffa4074\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000769\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022963cf390c4dd4fa5bdb2a198bffa4074\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Steve Abel\u2019s amendments set out on Amendment Paper 326 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225395b6e65e57455db072363ca286b9dc\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022df7ac6f90e6e418fbf77cce9b746d07f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000770\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022df7ac6f90e6e418fbf77cce9b746d07f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Steve Abel\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 327 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022353c70394fe04ac285724ac57e48d6c3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002254b2cecccc424e1e9ce31ea0f64d8ea8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000771\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002254b2cecccc424e1e9ce31ea0f64d8ea8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendments set out on Amendment Paper 328 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00228485bc1e8eea47aea293e1f2c4007310\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00222e7dddfb23de4f779ef563931e5440a0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222e7dddfb23de4f779ef563931e5440a0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 329 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022bc3f6cb2ba7a4e8b8afad2baeecbd99f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002286a82e78058e46ea9be0a74c82dbf6a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000773\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286a82e78058e46ea9be0a74c82dbf6a3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 330 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222744fcac838e494192eab839f5928e8e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022292d5adb366241adbd56dda88fa85b9a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022292d5adb366241adbd56dda88fa85b9a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Lan Pham\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 331 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022aeca54b457e24c5eb4d5e2319ff59cf8\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002234f9e744c649430db308c2b5bb6f1f57\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000775\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002234f9e744c649430db308c2b5bb6f1f57\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Francisco Hernandez\u2019s amendment set out on Amendment Paper 332 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229d1816ff5f2a4e789162c35b07ef7f89\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222378e29a5e7549809b21a3be67c68cfc\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Part 1 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart 1 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000776\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fad3ef2d2bd140f79550e9748c49207d\u0022\u003EPart 2  Amendments to schedules of principal Act and amendments to other enactments\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022d92d6e1e57d1445583f8cd3d9d2a2983\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000777\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d92d6e1e57d1445583f8cd3d9d2a2983\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we now come to Part 2. Part 2 is the debate on clauses 70 to 81: amendments to the schedules of the principal Act and amendments to other enactments, and Schedules 1 and 2. The question is that Part 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022 data-id=\u002277208b4f39f548d1b2ad86f03406bec9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000778\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002277208b4f39f548d1b2ad86f03406bec9\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order. Thank you, Madam Chair. Speaking to Speakers\u2019 rulings 68/3 and 68/5, Madam Chair, this is not a question of whether you are the sole judge of whether a committee stage should accept a closure motion\u2014of course we are not arguing with that. The problem is that in that very longstanding ruling\u2014it is one of the longest-standing rulings in this House, that dates back to 1930\u2014it\u2019s still expressed in that reading that it shouldn\u2019t be used too harshly. We find ourselves in the situation now where it has been used to limit the contributions of two front-bench Labour members on farm plans and regulation, which is new material that hasn\u2019t been dealt with.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000779\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003EI have two points of order on this. The first is this: I seek leave for the Hon Rachel Brooking to give a 10-minute call and a five-minute Q and A on farm plans and regulation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000780\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276a337426c25422999a9ffbbef5f7a43\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? Yes, there is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000781\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224be812c9ee1f43bda0ef6e66ff9bde81\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000782\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225781bc53452a441ab00ae8d2f91cd3a9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Second point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000783\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b464a62e-d900-452a-b842-e3cf4ccc6149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229020f307b12f4873a05a3db0aa78dd41\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. In the case that it\u2019s not the will of the governing parties to allow the spokesperson to make a call on what is new material and has not been dealt with, we find ourselves in some trouble, because anyone following along in this committee stage will know how important those farm plans and regulation changes are, but they haven\u2019t had the opportunity to follow questions that haven\u2019t been raised by the spokespeople. I\u2019m asking you to remedy that situation by allowing the Hon Rachel Brooking to make a call, as it relates to Part 2, on those two things. You may hear some material, Madam Chair, which does not directly relate to Part 2 but is related to the farm plan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u002238656df32a56459ca44e573be1fb8e64\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000784\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002238656df32a56459ca44e573be1fb8e64\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: OK, so on this point of order, we are up to Part 2, and I will allow any questions that relate to Part 2, but I won\u2019t allow anything added into Part 2 that\u2019s not in Part 2. In relation to the closure, I had been watching for some time, and I did hear a number of warnings from the previous Chairperson about things becoming repetitive. If something hasn\u2019t been brought up at that point in time, if it\u2019s becoming repetitive\u2014and we have a discussion as we change over\u2014and the call was made, and if something hasn\u2019t been brought up at that point, and repetition is going on, then I stand by my ruling. The question is that Part 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022 data-id=\u00226062076fbdee4198bb51c1acd5b54c27\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000785\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226062076fbdee4198bb51c1acd5b54c27\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to jump ahead given that previous ruling and that I didn\u2019t get to some very important parts in Part 1, being farm plans and the new totally Draconian regulation-making power that the Minister will now have, that we haven\u2019t discussed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000786\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002255d0b7a4-a2c9-4c38-9b77-475311a48a89\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9fd5f86f23c46febdfa0eb9ff6f1b44\u0022\u003EHon Simeon Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Cheer up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000787\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b3cd3378a364e3189a869a9170a3d69\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING\u003C/span\u003E: Oh! And members opposite just tell me to cheer up. No, I will not cheer up by this terrible lawmaking process that we see over and over again by this Government, where they introduce huge amendments that do not go to select committee and that arrive on the legislation website on the day that we are debating them. This is a terrible thing. I want to talk about Schedule 1, and this is about the Auckland\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000788\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7ae623e94e2429e8001b1e5c792c824\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m trying to hear the member, please. Schedule 1\u2014I didn\u2019t hear what the member said after that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000789\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c0a8cd6f78647c187acc69aff6ccb24\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m interested in\u2014it\u2019s Schedule 1 of this amendment, new Schedule 3C inserted, and it\u2019s the process for Auckland Council to withdraw Plan Change 78 and do a new one. I\u2019m sure other members will have many questions about the ins and outs of how this will work, but what I want to focus on is qualifying matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000790\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EWhy I want to do that is because I sat on the Environment Committee in the last Parliament, where we had bipartisan support for the MDRS, the medium density residential standards. The National Party then campaigned on getting rid of that, and we\u2019ve had a process whereby the bill as introduced was going to make it optional for councils to do the MDRS, and then, as reported back, no longer made it optional\u2014well, it provides a way for Auckland and Christchurch to do intensification in a different way. I\u2019m sure our Labour spokesperson will want to speak on that point and that we are not opposing these particular changes, and that we do note that the Minister has talked about these for some time. I note that he\u2019s also talked to the Auckland Council about it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000791\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThe part I\u2019m interested in is these qualifying matters. When we did the legislation last term for the MDRS, there was a lot of discussion on the qualifying matters. We see here at clause 4, in Part 1 of new Schedule 3C, the requirements for Auckland Unitary Plan if Plan Change 78 is withdrawn. At clause 4(2), it says it requires this density\u2014that I\u2019m sure other people will talk about, including the 15 storeys at locations around some train stations\u2014but then it says, at subclause (2), \u201Cor policy 3 if authorised to do so by clause 8.\u201D, and clause 8 is the qualifying matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000792\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EJumping to clause 8, why I\u2019m interested in this is that this amendment is saying you have to build\u2014if you\u2019re going to get rid of your planning instrument that\u2019s been implementing the MDRS, that\u2019s OK, so long as you do this intensification. When you are doing that intensification, there are some qualifying matters, and those qualifying matters in clause 8(1)(a) refer back to sections 77I(a) to (i) of the Resource Management Act. Very quickly, those qualifying matters relate to section 6 matters: matters of national significance, things that are in national policy statements, things like the Waikato River Authority, the Hauraki Gulf, nationally significant infrastructure, open-space designations, special iwi provisions, and providing for business land. These are the things that are already in the Act that relate to the MDRS.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000793\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227535d92-0798-4e04-be80-9e91b53610e2\u0022\u003EThen we can look at clause 8(1)(b) of new Schedule 3C, which is \u201Cany other matter \u2026 but only if subclause (4) is satisfied.\u201D Then we look to subclause (4), and that requires that any specific characteristic must be specified and then it also must be justified and it must include a site-specific analysis. My question goes to character areas. These are an issue that is often a political hot topic in Auckland. Would a character area be able to be a qualifying matter if it is not a site-specific analysis, noting that in clause 5 it talks about identifying by location, for example, by mapping\u2014that\u2019s at clause\u00A05(a). Would that mapping be enough to be over a whole number of streets, say, to say that it was a character area, or would something that\u2019s a character area\u2014so, importantly, not a section 6 matter that comes under section 77I(a). Would a general area be able to be mapped and be a qualifying area, or does it have to be a site-specific area if it\u2019s not one of 77I(a) to (i), if you\u2019re following that? Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u00223e4e0ec2b3db4c448a41dd509b7446ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000794\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e4e0ec2b3db4c448a41dd509b7446ce\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E It\u2019s a complicated issue, and the member did quite a good traverse through a complicated area of law. The short point is this: special character in and of itself is not a qualifying matter. Despite what many people think, it\u2019s not a catch-all qualifying matter. It comes about through the \u201Cany other matter\u201D, as the member raises, and that does require a site-specific adjudication. There hasn\u2019t been any change to the existing medium density residential standards (MDRS) provisions in this bill. Reasonable people can have a disagreement about whether or not that\u2019s the right approach, but we\u2019ve not opened up that debate for this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000795\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWhat the bill does is let Auckland Council withdraw its plan change. It says that if they do do that, they have to provide as much capacity as exists under the existing Plan Change 78, so there\u2019s no loss of qualifying matters. It doubles down on the idea around density around train stations\u2014Morningside, Mount Albert, Maungawhau, Kingsland\u2014and says you\u2019ve got to go above and beyond even what the legal requirements are now. There\u2019s been a bit of commentary about whether or not that avoids the need to upzone around train stations generally. It doesn\u2019t, because that\u2019s an existing National Policy Statement on Urban Development requirement that just says that around City Rail Link stations in particular, given there\u2019s such significant capacity being built into the Auckland railway network that\u2014you know, we think it makes sense to allow for a lot of capacity, particularly around stations like Kingsland, for example. It doesn\u2019t alter the qualifying matters and the approach to them as per the existing law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWe will be in the slightly unusual situation where Auckland and Canterbury will be exempt from the MDRS provisions. There\u2019s lots of complicated reasons as to how we\u2019ve got ourselves into this situation. There\u2019s probably not a lot of point traversing how we got there. The point is that I think this is actually a good solution for Auckland, and that\u2019s why the Government\u2019s negotiated and worked quite hard with His Worship Wayne Brown in order to get to this position. It\u2019s met with the approval of the Auckland Council, and, in fact, they have already started work on the replacement plan change in advance of this bill passing so that they can move quickly by October, November to notify a new plan change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022 data-id=\u0022ac1712ca4b12440f8cede8d4c0193a7e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000797\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ac1712ca4b12440f8cede8d4c0193a7e\u0022\u003ETAMATHA PAUL (Green\u2014Wellington Central):\u003C/span\u003E Thanks, Madam Chair. I have some specific questions about proposed sections 82 through to 86, which are around the Wellington City proposed plan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000798\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022039098fe136d44b8b2c8594806eb2f65\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Can you just refer me to it, because we are on clauses 70 to 81\u2014oh, thank you. The Clerk\u2019s just clarified with me the new provisions being added, so that\u2019s OK. Carry on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000799\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226989578eea8a49ff9c83fbfe1290b0ab\u0022\u003ETAMATHA PAUL\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. So, obviously, these amendments are specifically related to the Gordon Wilson Flats, which was kind of an area of interrogation that was initiated in the previous part but spelt out in more specificity in this part. Obviously, these are a very specific set of amendments for a very specific building, so I wanted to ask the Minister what his rationale was in only prioritising the Gordon Wilson apartments as opposed to other opportunities in Wellington City that meet the same threshold that Gordon Wilson meets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000800\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EFor example, my amendment, which was Amendment Paper 336, I believe, addressed the army general headquarters building on Taranaki Street in Wellington City, which meets similar thresholds to Gordon Wilson. It was deemed earthquake prone more than a decade ago. It is owned by a public entity, the Ministry of Defence; in this case, it\u2019s Victoria University for Gordon Wilson. There is no sign of movement on the general HQ building at all, and it could be used for affordable student accommodation in the same way that Gordon Wilson apartments could be used. I wanted to understand what makes Gordon Wilson exceptional in comparison to other related buildings in Wellington City, which I know the Minister will be keen to answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000801\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EI have a couple more questions to ask. Could the Minister dive into why Auckland and Canterbury are exempt from the medium density residential standards? I would be really keen to know, because that kind of goes against the Minister\u2019s direction around having a consistent national direction and trying to steer territorial authorities towards being more permissive of more housing, which, you know, we support as well. I\u2019m not arguing with that, but I just want to understand the rationale, because the answer that the Minister just gave previously assumed that we all understand why there is that different approach, but I don\u2019t. If he could go into that, that would be helpful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000802\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002253958f14-2b54-4d1c-bfac-7b3ea85e1c2b\u0022\u003EThe other question I had is just on those sections. Obviously, there are very specific amendments to the Wellington City proposed plan and also the Water for Otago regional plan, and I just want to understand why the Minister chose to single those two projects out and what makes them more significant. But I\u2019m mostly interested in the Gordon Wilson apartments, and if the Minister says that the reason is because he had evidence for Gordon Wilson apartments as opposed to army HQ, what evidence was that? My understanding was that the Minister had evidence as to why the Gordon Wilson apartments should be preserved, not demolished\u2014which I\u2019m not advocating for. But what level of evidence would you need to do a similar thing to buildings in similar situations across Wellington and, indeed, the country?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u002290e8fab80f144db291c63dcc809ed54d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000803\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290e8fab80f144db291c63dcc809ed54d\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E Reasonable questions. In relation to the Gordon Wilson Flats, there\u2019s a couple of things. I mean, firstly, the landowner wrote and asked for this. Victoria University of Wellington is the landowner; they want this desperately. In fact, they\u2019ve indicated that if we get them delisted and make demolition a permitted activity, they\u2019ll move very quickly to put in place new, warm student accommodation for Wellington, which is a great thing. We can get the hideous eyesore that is the Gordon Wilson Flats off the vista of the Wellington skyline as soon as possible. I think most Wellingtonians will welcome that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000804\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThat, actually, is the second factor, which is that there\u2019s extremely strong community support\u2014not from everybody in Wellington. The heritage lobby has come out in force, freely willing to spend money that is not theirs on a building that they claim can be renovated and retrofitted at vast expense\u2014not expense that they\u2019re willing to shell out for. It\u2019s all free money in their world. There\u2019s plenty of architects and members of the holier-than-thou brigade who wish to preserve the Gordon Wilson Flats\u2014not willing to spend any of their own money doing it and put their money where their mouth is and say that these things can be done economically or in a sensible way. So not overwhelmingly supported, but that\u2019s Wellington for you. But there is strong community support and a landowner that wishes us to do this and, also, a scenario in which there have been repeated attempts, including by the council, to do this. I think that does create the Gordon Wilson Flats as a kind of sui generis\u2014in and of themselves, their own thing, basically, is the easiest way to explain it\u2014and I haven\u2019t yet found an example of other buildings that are owned by someone that wishes to have them delisted, has repeatedly tried to have them delisted and failed for a variety of complicated legal reasons, and that enjoys overwhelming community support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000805\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003ENow, I know the member\u2019s got a particular suggestion around some building that she wishes to delist or make easier to delist. If these Amendment Papers and the bill pass, there will be a process that will be available to the council in order to delist buildings in Wellington. In fact, the Wellington City Council, to my understanding, is already working on quite a long list of things that they wish to immediately refer into the streamlined planning process for delisting that will eventually come to the Government. They\u2019re moving really quickly. In fact, they want this bill passed quite quickly so that they can move on those. If the member\u2019s got buildings in Wellington that she thinks should be delisted, I\u2019d encourage her to talk to her council; I reckon she might know a few people on the council who might be able to help her with that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000806\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIn relation to Auckland and Christchurch and the medium density residential standards (MDRS), I mean, these are good issues. The short story of a long story is that Auckland has not advanced its plan changes relevant to the National Policy Statement on Urban Development and the MDRS for some good reasons. The floods in Auckland\u2014the Anniversary Day floods\u2014those are the good reasons. The bad reasons are they just have not got around to it quickly enough, and that has been frustrating. Canterbury is the same, where they sought repeated extensions. In fact, the last Government had to send an observer in to ask them what they were doing and why they were taking so long. They have been slow, and I\u2019ve publicly said that, so I\u2019m not saying anything to the House that I haven\u2019t said publicly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000807\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve basically come up with two separate solutions. In relation to Auckland, I\u2019ve already canvassed it: they can withdraw Plan Change 78, but they\u2019ve got to replace the plan with a new one that enables just as much capacity as Plan Change 78 does, which is important. They\u2019ve got more flexibility around not having to use the MDRS anymore, but they do have to do density around train stations, and they\u2019ll have more flexibility around how they create that capacity. That\u2019ll ultimately be a decision for the council and for local communities in Auckland, and I think that\u2019s important. In relation to Christchurch, we said to them, \u201CYou\u2019ve got to go for 30 years of housing growth with a 20 percent margin.\u201D To make sure that we do that, the Government\u2014I, as Minister responsible for RMA Reform, will be the judge of whether or not they have met that housing capacity or not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000808\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EMy understanding is the council\u2019s going through a process around that now in advance of the bill passing. It may be that there are pockets of medium-density zoning in Christchurch\u2014that they may choose to do greater capacity around public transport nodes, for example. They\u2019ll just work their way through that. They\u2019ve already actually done half of the plan change required. That was the thing that happened a couple of months ago. They sent a whole bunch of decisions up to me, and I had to make decisions per the existing law around those. It\u2019s a little bit of a horses-for-courses approach in relation to Auckland and Christchurch, representing change in policy, the function of time, and councils, frankly, not getting on with the job and doing what Parliament asked them to do all the way back in 2022.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000809\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EWe, essentially, came to the pragmatic view that councils that had already done the MDRS\u2014like Lower Hutt and Upper Hutt did it two years ago; it\u2019s now the law of the land in those councils. People have made decisions based around it. We could require councils to go back through a complicated ratification process, but then what they\u2019d have to do, if they did decide to change their approach, is start a whole new plan change process, and that would fly in the face of what we\u2019ve just voted on in Part 1, which is the plan to stop proposals. We don\u2019t want councils to go through the time and expense of having to do complicated plan changes, because there\u2019s a whole new Resource Management Act regime coming in a couple of years\u2019 time or so. That would fly in the face of what we\u2019ve already just agreed on, which I think reasonable people can have a disagreement about, but I think most people would accept is a pretty reasonable approach. That kind of explains a little bit of the history.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022 data-id=\u0022f296fb178bbc4a008100bc2187da8f83\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000810\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f296fb178bbc4a008100bc2187da8f83\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. The Minister will know that my area in Mount Albert is one of the most affected by these particular changes. I actually live in one of the areas which will be a walkable catchment near Morningside and, while I can see the ease with which a street like Morningside Drive will take to higher density, there are areas of the electorate that are particularly concerned and asking questions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000811\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to ask some of those questions. One of those is the area of Baldwin Avenue, which is a very different station. It\u2019s surrounded by bungalows\u2014it\u2019s quite a different area. There\u2019s no industrial area as there is on Morningside Drive. It\u2019s not on a ridge. It\u2019s quite difficult to imagine high buildings, and those buildings under this plan change are going to be 10-plus storeys, not 10 storeys, but actually that\u2019s the sort of minimum of that code, as I understand it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000812\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EThese are questions that have come mainly from that area. I would actually ask the Minister the first question, which is: would he visit the area? Something that I\u2019ve been asked by the residents of it: will he see the impact on that area? It has a railway line going through it and a small station, but in order to build that station to the capacity for an area redeveloped in the way that this plan change loosens up things, you\u2019d actually have to pull a lot of houses down around the station. It\u2019s not as easy of a plan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000813\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EOne of the issues, with regard to those railway links, is the first question that I\u2019ve got, which is: is there are a plan around those stations and, particularly, going across them for cars in a way that is safer? Is there a kind of coordination that\u2019s been discussed with the council and is the part of the criteria that talks about community facilities what is meant by that? Do they have to have community facilities like Auckland Transport rail link?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000814\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EWhat are we going to do with regards to schooling when we have so many more houses in the area if we go up in the way possible is one of the questions that\u2019s definitely top of mind for people in Mount Albert, because our schools are at capacity. We have 3,500-plus students at Mount Albert Grammar School. How are we supposed to cope, and is there any commitment to greater resourcing from central government into schooling?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000815\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003EOne of the questions that I\u2019ve got is about flooding\u2014something the Minister\u2019s just raised. Those are the areas that in the floods in Auckland\u2014in the Anniversary Day floods, the area of Sandringham flooded in pockets. Has there been an account taken of the flooding zones in those areas? They seem to be just a circle around the particular stations in a walkable area, but some of those areas flooded quite badly, and my understanding was that was\u2014if I pop down, can I pop up again? I can see that the Minister would quite like to answer this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u00220250dd18fa05404587f1ab494491e187\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000816\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220250dd18fa05404587f1ab494491e187\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: No, probably not within time, so perhaps we\u2019ll give the Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000817\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225ec01d23-b55e-45b9-a668-d3bf14212126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2a70e8cc2bd49f6847770fc920b5804\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, thank you. I\u2019d love to take another call. I\u2019ve got a whole lot more questions from the residents.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6fea81dab5d42329064bba955250304\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000818\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6fea81dab5d42329064bba955250304\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister responsible for RMA Reform):\u003C/span\u003E I feel like we\u2019ll still be going tomorrow afternoon, so we can come back to this. I mean, the member makes good points. In relation to the flood issue, that\u2019s partly why we\u2019re doing this bill, to be honest: to allow Auckland Council to withdraw Plan Change 78 so they can downzone particular areas, because the current law only lets them upzone; it doesn\u2019t let them downzone. That\u2019s partly why we\u2019re doing it. Ultimately, flood mapping, and exactly where you can and can\u2019t build, that\u2019s a function for the council, and they\u2019ve got quite extensive work under way around that as a result of the floods a couple of years ago. That\u2019s partly why we\u2019re doing this bill, so I agree with you that that\u2019s important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000819\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EIn terms of heights and density around stations, it enables it; it doesn\u2019t make it mandatory. It\u2019s not mandatory to go and build a 20-storey apartment block by a train station; it enables it. It\u2019s not mandatory. The point I always make to people is that you will see that Auckland and other cities will change over time. This is about helping to enable that change rather than locking the city into a museum, basically, which is unable to change because of planning rules. You\u2019re not going to see Baldwin Avenue station and you\u2019re not going to see a 20-storey apartment block going up tomorrow; you\u2019re unlikely to see it in two years\u2019 time. But, sure, in five to 10 years\u2019 time, you may well see new apartment buildings going up around Mount Albert, around Baldwin Avenue, and that\u2019s exactly what we want. That\u2019s partly what the Government\u2019s trying to create with this change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000820\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002257e41e9d-285b-4fb3-847d-a63820ae7137\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s all about making Auckland a much more livable place to live, enabling housing choice and opportunity for people, particularly younger Aucklanders who currently are locked out of the housing market because housing is so expensive in Auckland. I think most Aucklanders, when I talk to them, say, \u201CYou know, let\u2019s get on with building housing near train stations, particularly near the City Rail Link stations. We\u2019re spending so much money from central government and from an Auckland Council point of view, and investing in this game-changing new transformational piece of infrastructure for our biggest city, so let\u2019s make it worth it.\u201D It\u2019s sort of hard to disagree with that, because that\u2019s precisely why we invested in the City Rail Link. It\u2019s not just a transport project; it\u2019s actually an urban development project first and foremost, and it\u2019s an important project. Anyway, I look forward to further conversations tomorrow afternoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022691c82d2063d41548c10d8d326a14d04\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022691c82d2063d41548c10d8d326a14d04\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time has come for me to report progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000822\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EProgress to be reported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000823\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000824\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022bb085d586d254c04a4d145a1129089b4\u0022\u003EReport of Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000826\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224c633c7e1d1b4cd6a6851bd8a943c53f\u0022\u003EReport of Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022 data-id=\u0022e53292abe7024e87b7879c43ac207259\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000825\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e53292abe7024e87b7879c43ac207259\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The committee has considered the Resource Management (Consenting and Other System Changes) Amendment Bill and reports that it has made progress on the bill. The committee has also further considered the Local Government (Water Services) Bill and reports that it has made no progress on the bill. I move, That the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000827\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000828\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002261720d2e-5b1d-4742-b4f0-30424316ccc1\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022 data-id=\u00229bf71efbb02c4ba3904e285a4701516b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000829\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229bf71efbb02c4ba3904e285a4701516b\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. tomorrow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000830\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 10.02 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025081283791b0cb143472c800996568c9889c4000831\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224d83c8a5-2f48-4991-9c45-b1a6060daedd\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"