"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002227c8818e555a44dca8ac3faa79e1a1f8\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 18 SEPTEMBER 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229c0a8cad4ccc4208aed439269b776123\u0022\u003ETHURSDAY, 18 SEPTEMBER 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000002\u0022\u003ETe M\u0101ngai o te Whare took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b3c326b62a434d8c8f33bcf90d295704\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002292942cd4c1c144889d2bfa0bee0d9c3a\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u00221c7853caa9564b27a790a3cdc8e431ad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c7853caa9564b27a790a3cdc8e431ad\u0022\u003EBARBARA KURIGER (Deputy Speaker):\u003C/span\u003E E te Atua kaha rawa, ka tuku whakamoemiti atu m\u0101tou, m\u014D ng\u0101 karakia kua waihotia mai ki runga i a m\u0101tou. Ka waiho i \u014D m\u0101tou p\u0101nga whaiaro katoa ki te taha. Ka mihi m\u0101tou ki te K\u012Bngi, me te inoi atu m\u014D te \u0101rahitanga i roto i \u014D m\u0101tou whakaaroarohanga, kia m\u014Dhio ai, kia whakaiti ai t\u0101 m\u0101tou whakahaere i ng\u0101 take o te Whare nei, m\u014D te oranga, te maung\u0101rongo, me te aroha o Aotearoa. Amene.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E[Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King, and pray for guidance in our deliberations, that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom and humility, for the welfare, peace and compassion of New Zealand. Amen.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002286a1d8b603e84a09b2ca2e0de92d7318\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002260d660d62d0046b2bf104d2bc8600f46\u0022\u003EBusiness Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022 data-id=\u0022ac14f3a836844a6a92fa406569b2b7a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ac14f3a836844a6a92fa406569b2b7a9\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Deputy Leader of the House):\u003C/span\u003E Today, the House will adjourn until Tuesday, 7 October. That week, the House will consider the Hauraki Gulf/T\u012Bkapa Moana Marine Protection Bill, and the Responding to Abuse in Care Legislation Amendment Bill. Wednesday will be a members\u2019 day, and on Thursday morning we will have extended hours for Government business.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228917f8a804da4f348f1b282f3cd8ad7a\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022de29b6cf8c0f445d90b250dc9e46a478\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022 data-id=\u0022c0ebb35f25e449d0bf0229acdb99918e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c0ebb35f25e449d0bf0229acdb99918e\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: A petition has been delivered to the Clerk for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022bf9ddb24fecf4229bd8b277b8ef207ad\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bf9ddb24fecf4229bd8b277b8ef207ad\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: Petition of Diane Cross requesting that the House require a lawyer or trust company to fully disclose to a client the cost and method of administering their will.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022 data-id=\u00220741a6fde03348188b334a88dac46832\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220741a6fde03348188b334a88dac46832\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That petition stands referred to the Petitions Committee. Ministers have delivered three papers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022fbc3cc3f94bf49528769b31f3da392c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fbc3cc3f94bf49528769b31f3da392c1\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: Annual reports for 2025 for:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ethe Electricity Corporation of New Zealand\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EKiwi Group Capital\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Parole Board.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022 data-id=\u002283d524a2884f4d3295f4328b93b54fa5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002283d524a2884f4d3295f4328b93b54fa5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Those papers are published under the authority of the House. 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In Northland, for example, that is down by 40 percent, and it comes from a focus by Ministers, such as Karen Chhour and Oranga Tamariki, and Mark Mitchell and the police, who have allowed young offenders to be detained and corrected rather than continuing on with ram raids.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e5129c8c13f4cba8cf3b5643b72d498\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: Will the New Zealand Government recognise the unfolding genocide taking place in Gaza, particularly following the UN-commissioned report that concluded that \u201CStatements made by Israeli authorities are direct evidence of genocidal intent.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4605e7327574ddfbca7ab82eefce549\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: As has been made clear by a range of Ministers across the Government, that is a matter under active consideration by the Government at the present time. Our position will be made clear by the right Minister, at the right place, and at the right time, which is coming up very soon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a4dca4c42ff4d8aa0173bcd26adac36\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: Was the Minister of Foreign Affairs correct when he said that the Deputy Prime Minister, David Seymour, was \u201Ctalking out of his field\u201D regarding the Government\u2019s position on Palestinian Statehood?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022890c75276f484242afa1a01d67b6c00e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, actually, he was speaking as the leader of his party, and that\u2019s a matter for him, which I don\u2019t have responsibility for, as is abundantly clear from the transcripts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212729264ad7a4b6580f280e19057d2bc\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: Was the Minister of Foreign Affairs correct when he said that David Seymour\u2019s statement regarding the recognition of Palestinian Statehood \u201Cwas made by someone who\u2019s got no authority to make it.\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df5cb8e29c744114be259eb308e3de95\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, it is certainly correct that the authority to make that statement on behalf of the Government rests with the Minister of Foreign Affairs. However, it is also true that this is a Government of three different parties, with leaders who each lead a party with its own identity, and, from the point of view of the Opposition, this Government is dangerously united.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022180e089619fa4363a484e86dcf8ce9fe\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: Is the constant public disagreement between two of the Government\u2019s most senior figures undermining the clarity and credibility of our foreign policy and the reason why this Government is still sitting on its hands?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c2888a7978ca4cf3949c50bc6c5c4d69\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: In answer to the first assertion in the question, there is not constant disagreement. There is a group of parties that have their own identities and are able to keep those identities and continue to work together in a cohesive and effective way. There is a real problem with many people\u2019s view that you cannot have differences of opinion; you must conform. That is a view that is often associated with the left. People find it smothering, and, around the world, it\u2019s making the left of politics very unpopular.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1561a8fa2624a00ba6c940df8a9a2bb\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: When will he instruct his Deputy Prime Minister and his Minister of Foreign Affairs to stop bickering, join our international partners, recognise Palestinian Statehood, recognise the unfolding genocide, and implement the sanctions that thousands of New Zealanders are calling for?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5e562aa3f714c6ebdd0da9f954d5b4d\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Prime Minister, first of all, we have a team that works together very effectively, and far too effectively for the Opposition\u2019s liking; in fact\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275c91eb6ccf24d019842f5b5d510d37d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c87f0d6cf804cf194a8f90c566cc82a\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Sound dangerously evasive. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022965ad5769bf64bb9a4e83739cbf9308c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014dangerously effective in such a way that it\u2019s going to keep the Opposition right where they are for a very long time. On the substance of the issue: you see, the reason that this Government is taking a deliberative view and considering all the details carefully is because we believe this issue deserves the careful consideration that we\u2019re giving it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002283d55cf9bf564071a21804ba16e27c80\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Trade and Investment\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290a05c0f561045159bf3351d524a65ac\u0022 data-id=\u002247619bb5177e46f79124aa2f7ebdc280\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290a05c0f561045159bf3351d524a65ac\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247619bb5177e46f79124aa2f7ebdc280\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN (National\u2014Waikato)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Trade and Investment: What recent steps has the Government taken to strengthen New Zealand\u2019s trade and investment relationship with Saudi Arabia?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022 data-id=\u002264607b3ba1a1472aa6ebf19354293781\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002264607b3ba1a1472aa6ebf19354293781\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY (Minister for Trade and Investment):\u003C/span\u003E The Government has moved quickly to deepen ties with one of the world\u2019s most dynamic economies, worth nearly US$3 trillion annually. In the last month, we\u2019ve established the New Zealand - Saudi Arabia Business Council; agreed with Saudi\u2019s investment Minister to create a cooperation framework between Invest New Zealand and the Saudi Government\u2019s investment agency; and led a trade mission just this week to Riyadh of high-quality New Zealand businesses, where five new commercial partnerships worth more than $100\u00A0million were secured. These are practical outcomes that will mean more opportunities and stronger returns for New Zealand exporters, and more jobs for New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290a05c0f561045159bf3351d524a65ac\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a1dfcc9b04b4a47848a32e8efc1df80\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: What will the New Zealand - Saudi Arabia Business Council deliver for New Zealand exporters?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f74d77fbf2643b8a3dc1ad541d8fe98\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: Business councils are a proven way to build stronger commercial connections and support exporters to succeed. A dedicated New Zealand - Saudi Arabia Business Council will raise awareness of opportunities, strengthen relationships, and help Kiwi firms do well in this growing market. It will play a key role in contributing to the Government\u2019s goal to double the value of exports in 10 years. The establishment of a business council is an important step in strengthening trade and investment links between our two countries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290a05c0f561045159bf3351d524a65ac\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220499c15534614b0bb00e25f6dc8afb55\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: What was agreed in order to boost investment ties with Saudi Arabia?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bec58d5d21b4cf9b1688459048a13ed\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: With my Saudi counterpart, the Minister of Investment, we agreed to establish a cooperation framework between Saudi Arabia\u2019s Ministry of Investment and New Zealand\u2019s new investment agency, Invest New Zealand. Saudi Arabia is set to be the world\u2019s sixth-largest economy by 2050, and New Zealand is well placed to attract the Saudi investment into high-growth sectors across the economy, including renewable energy, clean tech, advanced food production, wood processing, aquaculture, transportation, and tourism. The Government\u2019s making it easier for foreign investors to do business in New Zealand through streamlining investment settings and stronger commercial engagement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290a05c0f561045159bf3351d524a65ac\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022073716f3d8434eb68d3fd4b5a8959c01\u0022\u003ETim van de Molen\u003C/span\u003E: What will the five new commercial partnerships mean for New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224aa167bb92314202ab3c32f14adb4995\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: In the trade mission that we concluded this week in Riyadh, we saw high-quality New Zealand businesses sign five new commercial partnerships with Saudi companies. This is expected to generate more than $100 million in commercial value for New Zealand. These partnerships mark an important step in deepening New Zealand\u2019s trade relationship with Saudi Arabia and showcasing the strength and diversity of New Zealand\u2019s offering with food and beverage, animal management, agritech, health, and the creative industries sector. I congratulate these businesses on their achievement\u2014achievements of which you\u2019ll see many more in the near future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002228967bd9251f47979e96cf039c64b814\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Education\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022 data-id=\u0022615741e62a604b37a4b26fde1dcfa19f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022615741e62a604b37a4b26fde1dcfa19f\u0022\u003EBENJAMIN DOYLE (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Education: Kei te whakapono ia ki \u0101na k\u014Dwhiringa katoa me \u0101na mahi katoa kia whai putanga pai m\u014D ng\u0101 \u0101konga M\u0101ori?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E[Does she believe all her decisions and actions support positive education outcomes for \u0101konga M\u0101ori?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0ae1704eb014984bafc3ddaac078c01\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0ae1704eb014984bafc3ddaac078c01\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Acting Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E On behalf of the Minister of Education, yes, absolutely, particularly the outcomes around attendance. It\u2019s difficult to learn when you\u2019re at school\u2014some of us have the school reports and transcripts to prove it\u2014but it\u2019s impossible if you\u2019re not there. If you take term 1 data from 2022 to now, in the last three years, we have seen a 20 percentage point increase in M\u0101ori school attendance. That is the biggest thing that will make a difference: more M\u0101ori at school. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292ec55cb28784b079fa7b304b7b356a9\u0022\u003EBenjamin Doyle\u003C/span\u003E: He aha t\u0101na whakam\u0101ramatanga i t\u0101na k\u012B atu, \u201CI don\u2019t want to be talking about the Treaty. I want to be talking about reading, writing, maths, achievement.\u201D, \u0101, kei te whaiwhakaaro ia ki te hononga o te mahi whakamana i Te Tiriti o Waitangi me ng\u0101 putanga \u0101-m\u0101tauranga m\u014D ng\u0101 \u0101konga M\u0101ori?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E[What is her explanation of when she said, \u201CI don\u2019t want to be talking about the Treaty. I want to be talking about reading, writing, maths, achievement.\u201D, and does she acknowledge that upholding Te Tiriti is related to education outcomes for \u0101konga M\u0101ori?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022488881eb5f80418dbbb4c6f67781fdcf\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker, I\u2019m not getting any translation through this earpiece.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022535ad1aa28f3489ea60c337bf5463f30\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Plug it in. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c3ea4ae3828494ea67ea71cfe120886\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, there will be none of those sorts of comments, thank you very much. It is a problem. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db10455da1884493ad1179d0dd7b3161\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve got two here. I\u2019ll try the other one, if that helps.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224739fbe63dd4449f83454874fbf0ef06\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Try the other one for a minute.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221cc753bbfc1423f9538c461e81b4352\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d12f8dbd0e6b426e8888859f48f3f895\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Would the translator please repeat the question. [Translation repeated.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229f7393dbe4b40189e4d62014ee328e6\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: I do absolutely stand by that statement, on behalf of the Minister of Education. It is simply a fact that if you don\u2019t have the basic literacy, the basic numeracy, and the basic understanding of the world of science and history, then your ability to uphold anything, including Te Tiriti, is going to be greatly diminished. That\u2019s why this Government is focused on the simple idea of one teacher in one classroom with a knowledge-rich curriculum\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229b8d22182614a1b8b6e8ef03bf61503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc99b79e49024dae9fbe7c5e0e719d28\u0022\u003EHon Willow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, whose knowledge? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265448a77374c446ea9b9b4fc4717122e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014that is examined through proper examinations so that we are transferring knowledge from one generation to the next. I hear the member opposite asking which knowledge. Well, the simple fact is that there are curricula being developed in te reo M\u0101ori and in English. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf0319601682426a9a191b0550b3b92d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Hang on a minute. If the member has got a question, take a supplementary. Don\u2019t yell them across the House like that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252ba15b378514bc8bb03a9941f00fea8\u0022\u003EBenjamin Doyle\u003C/span\u003E: He aha ia i k\u014Dwhiri ai kia whakakore i NCEA, ahakoa ng\u0101 p\u014Drahurahu o Te Runanga Nui o Ng\u0101 Kura Kaupapa M\u0101ori o Aotearoa m\u0113 te k\u014Drero tohutohu \u014Dkawa, ka whakataumaha ake t\u0113nei k\u014Dwhiringa ki ng\u0101 \u0101konga M\u0101ori?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E[Why has she decided to scrap NCEA despite concerns from Te Runganga Nui o Ng\u0101 Kura Kaupapa M\u0101ori o Aotearoa and official advice that it will further disadvantage \u0101konga M\u0101ori?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d70a48b1787c4de09ff98c2fa4e17ac1\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Education, the Government has decided to replace NCEA because we believe we can do better for all students, and that involves a more rigorous system of examination that ensures that students must learn the information in order to pass the test. Now, it is true that there is a range of perspective on the changes to NCEA, but this Government utterly rejects the idea that, somehow, all M\u0101ori students are disadvantaged by a more rigorous examination system. That\u2019s the kind of thinking we need to get rid of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022967e1271bcb74b7a976e5c8f1559b2d3\u0022\u003EBenjamin Doyle\u003C/span\u003E: Kei te k\u016Braruraru ia i t\u0101 Te Budget 2025 whakaheke i te ahumahi m\u0101tauranga i ng\u0101 fulltime-equivalents toru tekau m\u0101 tahi kia uaua ake te ako m\u014D ng\u0101 \u0101konga M\u0101ori? Ki te kore, he aha e kore ai?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E[Is she concerned that Budget 2025\u2019s reduction of the M\u0101ori education workforce by 31 fulltime-equivalents will make learning more difficult for \u0101konga M\u0101ori, and, if not, why not?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2133d0f08f54cff9fcab8a3cdfc4880\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Mr Speaker, I\u2019m getting nothing here. Can we try again? I don\u2019t know what\u2019s going on with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218b7be205ccc45238b8d4e8b51577894\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll ask the translator to say it again. If the Hon David Seymour could tell us if he\u2019s getting that translation. [Translation repeated.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a584ca02e0c41afb52116f6a4d872a6\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Education, while there have been some changes in staffing across the system, overwhelmingly, this Government is ensuring resources are focused on fixing what matters in education, and that is the quality of the curriculum, the amount of learning support, the quality of the assessment, and the quality of the buildings and infrastructure. Those are the things the Government is focusing its resources on to make a difference for all students.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f2c86f9fc8f4123af844a04c86183cf\u0022\u003EBenjamin Doyle\u003C/span\u003E: He aha te Minita i k\u0101ti ai i ng\u0101 kaupapa kia akiaki, kia whakamana hoki i te m\u0101ia me te matatauranga i te k\u014Drero reo M\u0101ori, p\u0113r\u0101 ki te Resource Teacher M\u0101ori me Te Ahu o te Reo M\u0101ori?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E[Why has the Minister cut programmes that encourage and enhance the confidence and fluency of speaking in te reo, such as Resource Teacher M\u0101ori and Te Ahu o te Reo M\u0101ori?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022208433c922d94e7292de6f4c8acfd2a7\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Education, it is absolutely true that we are committed to developing the resources and retaining the staff required to educate in both languages. In fact, in the last Budget, we have committed more resources to upskilling teachers in te reo M\u0101ori for exactly that purpose. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022621f954eedca4c209efee09b8b7efbc1\u0022\u003EBenjamin Doyle\u003C/span\u003E: Kei te whaiwhakaaro ia, he tauira te whakaheke p\u016Btea i te Resource Teacher M\u0101ori me Te Ahu o te Reo M\u0101ori i te whai k\u014Dwhiringa, e ai ki te Toihau o Te Taura Whiri i te reo M\u0101ori, ko Ahorangi Rawinia Higgins, t\u0101na whakat\u016Bpato \u201Creversing decades of progress in protecting and promoting te reo M\u0101ori,\u201D? Ki te kore, he aha e kore ai?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E[Does she acknowledge cutting funding for Resource Teacher M\u0101ori and Te Ahu o te Reo M\u0101ori are examples of decision making that Rawinia Higgins, Toihau of Te Taura Whiri i te reo M\u0101ori, describes as risking \u201Creversing decades of progress in protecting and promoting te reo M\u0101ori\u201D, and, if not, why not?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279bcd10beb3f45c3998193ff4c3c2f21\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister, the reason that I don\u2019t agree with that statement is that the Government is reorganising its resources to make sure that we get the best outcomes for all students, and that includes significant investments in M\u0101ori language teaching and M\u0101ori-medium curriculum. We are doing the work to ensure that M\u0101ori language teaching is strengthened, along with the entire system, by removing a huge amount of wasteful spending that we discovered upon being elected into office.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e779d3af6c9c4035b399cfb2b66a70c8\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Economic Growth\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022 data-id=\u0022d4b4b225fdd942ec8e22cdb9fd5b74c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d4b4b225fdd942ec8e22cdb9fd5b74c1\u0022\u003EHon DAMIEN O\u2019CONNOR (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Economic Growth: Does she stand by all her statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226b99476d584f47b19420b8154e6947dc\u0022 data-id=\u002260341389134044d4a0ab38b141ed27b9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226b99476d584f47b19420b8154e6947dc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002260341389134044d4a0ab38b141ed27b9\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS (Minister for Economic Growth):\u003C/span\u003E In context, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c400643ce9f415a85d36f9d12cfca03\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with Nicola Willis in 2022, when GDP shrunk by 0.2 percent, that \u201CToday\u2019s release of GDP data is more bad news for New Zealanders already struggling with the cost of living crisis\u201D; and if so, what would she say now that GDP figures published today show a 0.9 percent decline?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226b99476d584f47b19420b8154e6947dc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228c12858ae7ab40aaafcd62a825edd3c6\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: In answer to the first part of the question: yes. I note that in the first three months of the year, the New Zealand economy grew by 0.8 percent\u2014faster than Australia and twice what Treasury were forecasting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220207a4572c3f46cbb4f28f5d80876cc3\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Did her Government\u2019s decision to cancel major infrastructure work, resulting in a 9.4 percent decline in construction for the year ending June 2025, contribute to the shrinking economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226b99476d584f47b19420b8154e6947dc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c88d674c610461e8d98ae5038503488\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: No. The Government has increased the amount of capital investment going into infrastructure projects. What I can confirm is that the fast-track regime, which has already ensured that the Auckland Port project will be under way before Christmas and has indicative approval for more than a thousand houses to be built in Auckland, along with around a dozen other projects\u2014its cancellation, which his party believes in, would stop major private construction projects.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022925c1d051f0440e78b5f3b6ef68699c6\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: What does it say about her performance when half the time she has been Minister, economic growth has been negative, just adding to the growing list of negative outcomes in the New Zealand economy that highlight the reality of her growth agenda?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226b99476d584f47b19420b8154e6947dc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a2ad68e1f8d4ac5a3473564619c91a0\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: It is the case that I cannot take responsibility for all the decisions made in the years leading up to my period as Minister of Finance. What I can take responsibility for is fixing it. What I can also say, quite confidently, is that things would be a heck of a lot worse if you lot were in charge.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255727f73aa77416ca54872a25f98f865\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u2019Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Why does she blame international events for her 0.9 percent decline, when for the same period Australia grew by 0.6 percent, Japan by 0.5 percent, and the UK by 0.3\u00A0percent?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226b99476d584f47b19420b8154e6947dc\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b2c2588817b4a6e8b0c79ae9bc1a84d\u0022\u003EHon NICOLA WILLIS\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019d note that in that quarter there was also negative growth in Germany, Canada, and other countries. I also do not recall that member congratulating me in the first quarter of this year when our rate of growth was many multiples more than Australia\u2019s, but I look forward to him being able to do so in the future again. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2279dcf0b124abbadb2c9e636f6d478\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Question No. 5, Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke. [Interruption] Just wait until everyone is settled and quiet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022318a67e208f549c99e6461efbe260dc6\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014M\u0101ori Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022420f72e8bcc84c869a366ff712af8e49\u0022 data-id=\u0022a723b75c9078400c81fb9b0a883bf400\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022420f72e8bcc84c869a366ff712af8e49\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a723b75c9078400c81fb9b0a883bf400\u0022\u003EHANA-RAWHITI MAIPI-CLARKE (Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014Hauraki-Waikato)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for M\u0101ori Development: T\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koe, e te P\u012Bka. E whakapono ana ia ki ng\u0101 mahi a te K\u0101wanatanga kia whakap\u016Bmautia te reo M\u0101ori?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022420f72e8bcc84c869a366ff712af8e49\u0022\u003E[Does he stand by the Government\u2019s track record on upholding obligations to te reo M\u0101ori?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022 data-id=\u002216e1898afcbc41269d7b260d86e75d1f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002216e1898afcbc41269d7b260d86e75d1f\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA (Minister for M\u0101ori Development): \u003C/span\u003E\u0100na. [Yes.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022420f72e8bcc84c869a366ff712af8e49\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d372ff1524764a4783da2e27bf7fc2ff\u0022\u003EHana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke\u003C/span\u003E: E whakaae ana te Minita ki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a te Kaik\u014Dmihana m\u014D te reo M\u0101ori e mea ana, \u201Ce raru ana te reo M\u0101ori i ng\u0101 kawenga me ng\u0101 mahi a t\u0113nei K\u0101wanatanga\u201D? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022420f72e8bcc84c869a366ff712af8e49\u0022\u003E[Does the Minister agree with the statements of the M\u0101ori Language Commissioner that states, \u201Cthe M\u0101ori language is endangered by the conduct and activities of this Government\u201D?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b04da68f1cc743e597c7e6968e3b8a26\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: He mihi k\u0101mehameha n\u0101 te ng\u0101kau iti rawa ki te kaik\u014Dmihana, ki te toihau o Te Taura Whiri i te Reo M\u0101ori, me te m\u014Dhio hoki ka nui \u0101na k\u012Banga k\u014Drero ahakoa ko wai te Minita, ahakoa ko wai te K\u0101wanatanga. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E[Significant acknowledgments of my humble self to the commissioner, the toihau of the M\u0101ori Language Commission, and I am also aware that she has made many statements regardless of who the Minister is, regardless of who is in Government.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022420f72e8bcc84c869a366ff712af8e49\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9a722b3e36f4a2bafde1e4b37349f77\u0022\u003EHana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke\u003C/span\u003E: Hei whakanui i te 50 tau o Te Wiki o te Reo M\u0101ori, e whakaae ana te Minita kia k\u0101whakina te kaupapahere a te K\u0101wanatanga e aukati ana, e tuaruatia nei r\u0101nei i te whakamahi o te reo M\u0101ori i roto i ng\u0101 tari k\u0101wanatanga? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022420f72e8bcc84c869a366ff712af8e49\u0022\u003E[In celebration of the 50th anniversary of M\u0101ori Language Week, will the Minister agree to remove the policy of the Government to stop, or make subordinate, the use of the M\u0101ori language within Government departments?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ede777ef49f438eb88c104a13436bde\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: Hei whakatairanga hoki i Te Wiki o te Reo M\u0101ori, kua kite hoki au i ng\u0101 mahi nunui, roroa hoki, ng\u0101 t\u0101ngata i h\u012Bkoi atu ki te taimoana ki konei, \u0101, tae atu ki ng\u0101 rangatahi i k\u014Drero atu ki ng\u0101 Manu K\u014Drero. K\u0101re au i kite i te mema o te R\u014Dp\u016B Reipa ki reira. Heoi an\u014D, hei whakautu hoki m\u014D te k\u014Drero nei, he w\u0101 ka piki, he w\u0101 ka heke, engari me kore t\u0101tou e p\u014Dh\u0113h\u0113 m\u0101 te Karauna t\u014D t\u0101tou reo e whakarauora. Heoi an\u014D m\u0101 te ranga wh\u0101nau, m\u0101 te ranga hap\u016B, m\u0101 te ranga iwi e whakarauora t\u014D t\u0101tou reo, \u0101, ka riro hoki m\u0101 te K\u0101wanatanga me te Karauna ia e whakat\u016Bwatawata. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E[In the promotion of M\u0101ori Language Week, I have seen many significant and wide-reaching activities, the people that marched to the oceanside here, and including the young people that spoke at the Manu K\u014Drero speech competition. I did not see the member of the Labour Party there. Anyway, in response to this statement, at times it improves, at times it declines, but we should not mistakenly believe that it is up to the Crown to revitalise our language. However, it is up to the many ranks of wh\u0101nau, of hap\u016B, and of iwi to revitalise our language, and it will be the Government and the Crown to fortify it.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228b52845520d84cef90f16b306c2a722a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Housing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022 data-id=\u002238a97457b5364877b296f331032547b3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002238a97457b5364877b296f331032547b3\u0022\u003ETIM COSTLEY (National\u2014\u014Ctaki)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Housing: What recent announcements have been made about improving social housing? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022 data-id=\u00226836748c95894de7b38716d715ad6890\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226836748c95894de7b38716d715ad6890\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA (Associate Minister of Housing):\u003C/span\u003E Last week, the Minister of Housing and I released an update on the allocation of the 1,500 community housing provider (CHP) social houses funded in Budget 2024 for delivery up to June 2027, and the 550 social homes in T\u0101maki-makau-rau Auckland funded in Budget 2025. Te T\u016B\u0101papa Kura K\u0101inga\u2014Ministry of Housing and Urban Development (Te T\u016B\u0101papa Kura K\u0101inga\u2014MHUD), and community housing providers are getting on with approving, contracting, and delivering these homes. We\u2019ll also publish a monthly dashboard summarising the delivery of these social houses funded from Budgets 2024 and 2025, as well as M\u0101ori housing houses. Just on that, since coming into Government, we have allocated and funded over 1,000 M\u0101ori housing places across Papak\u0101inga, affordable rentals, and other types of housing. This dashboard means that public providers and members of the Opposition can see progress being made. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220720e49a9e474948a05f6d7bdc50de44\u0022\u003ETim Costley\u003C/span\u003E: What type of social homes are being built and delivered? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d7f432140ae4684a6c0b6f8b7837cae\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: We are making sure we get the right type of houses built in the right places with the right supports for those in genuine need. Around half of the people currently on the social housing wait-list need a one-bedroom home, yet only 12\u00A0percent of the homes within K\u0101inga Ora are one-bedroom homes, and this is not good enough. So we\u2019re changing it up. We\u2019re changing how social homes are prioritised and procured, with a greater focus on data- and evidence-driven needs analysis to deliver the social homes people need, and for the 2,000 places funded through Budgets 2024 and 2025, about 48 percent of the homes will be one bedroom, around 42 percent will be two bedrooms, and around 22 percent of them are expected to be accessible or accessible-ready homes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257258f53f2c849af819e1b685e91d1a3\u0022\u003ETim Costley\u003C/span\u003E: Whereabouts are the social and M\u0101ori homes being built and delivered? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224ee1bb0f5934668955d7088ec1a585e\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: Te T\u016B\u0101papa Kura K\u0101inga\u2014MHUD has, for the first time ever, deliberately allocated houses on the basis of identified housing need across regions by, for example, looking at the housing deprivation data, emergency housing use, and the social housing wait-list. This is the first time, actually, this has ever been done. But based on the pipeline data in Budgets 2024 and 2025, places across this set, including M\u0101ori housing, include nearly 1,000 in T\u0101maki-makau-rau Auckland, over 500 in Te Moana-a-Toitehuatahi Bay of Plenty, 350 in a beautiful place called Waikato, 300 in Heretaunga Hawke\u2019s Bay\u2014great place; I went to school there\u2014250 in Northland Tai Tokerau, and nearly 100 in Whakat\u016B, also known as Nelson. Let\u2019s build houses where they\u2019re most needed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261b8ebed626b467abc459a9af1003cd2\u0022\u003ETim Costley\u003C/span\u003E: In addition to the over 2,000 social houses funded by the Government, how many net new homes have been delivered? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e59787efe5474f53a31cc63c08e2e26d\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: Since we came into Government, tata kite whitu mano whare\u2014nearly 7,000 net new social homes\u2014have been delivered, and this includes over 5,400 net new homes delivered by K\u0101inga Ora and over 1,400 net new homes delivered by CHPs. These homes, of course, are additional to the over 2,000\u2014rua mano\u2014community housing provider social homes funded by this Government so far, and I look forward to further announcements in this space, at a beautiful location coming near you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261e1c14e23364779ba7d9b819537088a\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. We\u2019ve traversed the issue of this Government claiming they\u2019ve built 7,000 houses in this House before, but the question was: of the 2,000 houses funded by this Government, how many have they built? How on earth can the Minister claim to have built 7,000?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0206a2be78f4bc981647da4d36fe46b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s not for me to judge whether or not the answer is correct or otherwise, but, simply, has it been addressed, and it has been addressed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022afbc54445d5a45c8bcf242ca723f72ad\u0022\u003ETim Costley\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c70ce3363233452381af4c2655bc2477\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t think there\u2019s any more to say, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227dfb7c83cd4d4205abd3a1901fd37687\u0022\u003ETim Costley\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the member is completely incorrect in what he said. My question was in addition to the 2,000, how many net new homes were there, and the answer I heard was another 7,000 additionally.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224e940bb274084c04b315fd49b1e49771\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That should have been a correction that came from the Minister. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022401260c06f3a4c58b982e636179f8a2b\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: To the Minister, how can he credibly stand in this House and claim that there is \u201Cprogress being made\u201D when the number of K\u0101inga Ora homes under his watch has reduced by 177? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272cbcf5c06f44f68b238ac594c9118ae\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not aware of the fuzzy maths that the member opposite has presented, but I\u2019ll gladly receive a question by way of written parliamentary questions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223474db9b4d0e4683864d2091016a93b3\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. The claim by the Minister that brought into question the integrity of the claim is at direct odds with claims by K\u0101inga Ora themselves. I think it is unparliamentary, and certainly not good for order, when Ministers are able to claim that a member in this House is deliberately\u2014well, I think the term was \u201Cfuzzy\u201D, when his own department that he\u2019s referred to in the answers have stated this in news reports just last night. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022595a08301eac4b32877a0c82933e56c0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, you could go back to the comment I made in the House before, but if the member\u2019s got counter information, he can always table that in the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abbf0fe416c14623806062926121a89f\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s publicly available, though, sir, so I can\u2019t. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b720dfb261ca441a8b03f956c27ccb16\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, OK. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222da41b750a8c483ca005e5ce52036152\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022 data-id=\u002203f61456241e49f48dff52ee1b881421\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203f61456241e49f48dff52ee1b881421\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by his statement regarding the bowel cancer screening age that \u201CWe are committed to matching Australia. The critical restriction to enable that is access to more colonoscopies\u201D; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002224cf2b07c863455d8ff343c5bc53b590\u0022 data-id=\u0022cf25dad516f2493eb8676297d366fd78\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002224cf2b07c863455d8ff343c5bc53b590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cf25dad516f2493eb8676297d366fd78\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY (Associate Minister of Health) \u003C/span\u003Eon behalf of the Minister of Health: Yes. That is why this Government expects Health New Zealand to continue work to expand access to colonoscopy and improve management and access for people of any age with bowel cancer symptoms through the roll-out of the fecal immunochemical test (FIT) for symptomatic pathway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b51a9cf6af574bc1a940b119bd08ca31\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Is it correct that Health New Zealand\u2019s colonoscopy capacity will be significantly freed up by those changes in 2026, enabling the screening age to be lowered to 45 years without additional funding, capacity, or workforce?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002224cf2b07c863455d8ff343c5bc53b590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022739f9817d8f84c4090da175e5b446d4a\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: What is correct is that when we\u2019ve said we\u2019d commit to Australia\u2019s age, they took 15 years and a stepped approach, and that\u2019s exactly what we\u2019re doing. The first step goes down to 58\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfab800cab9f4be7ae7827951f798463\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: But capacity is coming on in a year\u2019s time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002224cf2b07c863455d8ff343c5bc53b590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b357031542a4f88acfbdc399fbb36c0\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and the member wants to ask me a question while I\u2019m answering the first question. But, yes, we will have to increase capacity for the colonoscopy workforce.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f5acd92dc724d1cbbfdd7e9a16a1003\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister aware that the changes he mentioned for FIT testing in his response to my primary question would mean that so many colonoscopies would no longer be needed, the Government could screen down to the age of 45 without any more workforce, any more facilities, or any more colonoscopy capacity?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002224cf2b07c863455d8ff343c5bc53b590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022137132d01c3445d7afac9902f56f3d83\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, in answer to that question, I actually agree with Grant Robertson, the Labour Minister of Finance in 2023, who said that the bowel cancer screening age would need to be lowered in stages, and that\u2019s what we\u2019re doing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f965a117c8e4bbebf73b56363958465\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister saying that even though the opportunity is presenting itself, they are not going to take it, and, if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002224cf2b07c863455d8ff343c5bc53b590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298102aaf72014ba5829900a97dc1a0b7\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: No. What I\u2019m saying at the moment is that if you take one of the targets around urgent 14-day colonoscopies, the target is 90 percent; we are at 83\u00A0percent at the moment. That is the reality of the health system we inherited. That\u2019s why we\u2019re taking a stepped approach. There is a pressure on the colonoscopy workforce. It is a doctor-led workforce, and that\u2019s why we\u2019re building capacity with nurse-led colonoscopies. We want to take a staged approach, and that\u2019s what this Government is committed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002252295ba273c240558f55f8712b68c45c\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Government saying now that the reason he\u2019s not willing to take this cost-free opportunity to expand screening to the same level as Australia\u2014as per their election commitment\u2014is because they\u2019d rather use the capacity to address Health New Zealand\u2019s deficit? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002224cf2b07c863455d8ff343c5bc53b590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff76b79af7bc46a592e5c94513429949\u0022\u003EHon MATT DOOCEY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, isn\u2019t it funny how everything seems so simple when you\u2019re in Opposition, and you\u2019d wonder why it wasn\u2019t so simple when they were in Government. This Government is committed to lowering the age to 58, and that is showing more evidence of saving lives than their policy of going down to 50 with certain population groups. We\u2019re committed for health need across all New Zealanders. We\u2019re committed to comparing ourselves to Australia, but, as I\u2019ve said in previous answers, that took Australia 15 years. That\u2019s why we\u2019re taking a stepped approach, and that\u2019s why even her colleague Grant Robertson, when he was a Labour Minister, agreed with this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a6cfaf870d604ae2a5bbbcdd30e3ff1a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Energy\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cf22a832d14a4c99ab5dfd16e24446e5\u0022 data-id=\u002274bf94a26cd24011bc635a5b40610b14\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf22a832d14a4c99ab5dfd16e24446e5\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002274bf94a26cd24011bc635a5b40610b14\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Energy: What recent announcements has he made on the Offshore Renewable Energy Bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022 data-id=\u00223431467731134df6aa974ff30f74e5b7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223431467731134df6aa974ff30f74e5b7\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS (Minister for Energy):\u003C/span\u003E This week, we announced changes to the Offshore Renewable Energy Bill that will help unlock investment and accelerate New Zealand\u2019s transition to clean energy. These amendments enable the Government to designate marine areas for offshore renewable projects while giving developers the certainty to invest, while providing clarity for those exploring under the Crown Minerals Act. This positions New Zealand to lead in offshore renewables and unlock high-value jobs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf22a832d14a4c99ab5dfd16e24446e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223021c8e7cae446b39c3e692979f68d9a\u0022\u003ERima Nakhle\u003C/span\u003E: Why has he made these changes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022064b4668fed54d65bc9fc2a3416d6f6a\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, offshore wind requires a significant upfront investment and that is why we are establishing a clear regulatory regime through the Offshore Renewable Energy Bill. However, during the select committee process, offshore wind developers raised concerns about their projects coexisting with other activities, particularly seabed mining. This change is a clear signal that we\u2019re open for investment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf22a832d14a4c99ab5dfd16e24446e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229524fa1f24e84cae879380926f99df27\u0022\u003ERima Nakhle\u003C/span\u003E: What will these changes mean for existing permit holders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022927af55d429c4893bb921005d295e1af\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, these changes are about balance. We want to clear the way for offshore wind, but we also need to protect the rights of existing permit holders. The Government will take into account the impact on existing mining permit holders when determining these areas, and we expect that the offshore wind and mineral sectors will enter into constructive discussions on how their activities may coexist near each other.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf22a832d14a4c99ab5dfd16e24446e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ecbb45b72664b9f9783d2bd55769981\u0022\u003ERima Nakhle\u003C/span\u003E: What could offshore wind mean for New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002266e4333bfa5546018469d2970f826b15\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019ve been blown away with the opportunity that offshore wind presents. New Zealand has some of the world\u2019s greatest offshore wind potential. While there is a lot of hot air coming from the other side of the House, offshore wind can be more powerful and more consistent than onshore wind, which is critical when so much of our electricity comes from intermittent sources. Offshore wind could bring jobs and abundant energy to grow our economy. This Government has a strong commitment to double renewable energy by 2050, and offshore wind will play a critical part in that plan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e26c87b825494f5cbfac2fe2f66a94cf\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Oceans and Fisheries\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022 data-id=\u002213057a89a14748329b63bb88ff8ea736\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002213057a89a14748329b63bb88ff8ea736\u0022\u003ETEANAU TUIONO (Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Oceans and Fisheries: E whakaae ana ia ki t\u0101 te Environmental Defence Society k\u012B atu ko t\u0101 Tiriti o Waitangi he whakatakoto \u201Cobligation on the Crown to legislate for effective marine management\u201D; ki te kore, he aha e kore ai?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E[Does he agree with the Environmental Defence Society that te Tiriti o Waitangi sets out an \u201Cobligation on the Crown to legislate for effective marine management\u201D; if not, why not?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022 data-id=\u00220fbf7b1e0eee4f01bb9f3f50f8d726c2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220fbf7b1e0eee4f01bb9f3f50f8d726c2\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES (Minister for Oceans and Fisheries):\u003C/span\u003E Ng\u0101 hoaketanga kei ahau, me kaua te moana me wana p\u0101nga e t\u012Bt\u014Dhea ai, ahakoa n\u0101 raro i Te Tiriti, n\u0101 runga r\u0101nei i te ng\u0101kaunui o te marea ki te moana.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022\u003E[The responsibilities I have, the ocean and its interests must not become desolate, whether that\u2019s under the Treaty, or on the value placed on it by the public.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022509088cee19c442e96afbb885d65699b\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: He aha te oranga ki roto i te whakaiti i ng\u0101 ara arotake, ar\u0101 judicial review, m\u014D te whakahaere i te ahu moana, \u0101, he aha te take k\u0101re ia i whakarite i tetahi tukanga kia rongo i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero a te katoa?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E[What is the benefit in reducing the judicial review process for managing ocean assets, and why did he not arrange a process by which all of the public\u2019s statements might be heard?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a0809203d9d47feb50148fa44c8bbab\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Preparing a strategy and approaches that reflect what the Environmental Defence Society is seeking to achieve, including a special oceans Act, will take time. It will never eventuate in the absence of priority given to economic development. These things take time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1a75b6be6f14c6583122ed7d189c24d\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: He p\u0101tai t\u0101piri: He aha \u0101na kaupapahere kia tiakina te oranga o ng\u0101 popoto, ng\u0101 M\u0101ui dolphins, \u0101, ka whakaaetia e ia kia aukati te set-net me te trawl fishing ki roto i \u014D r\u0101tou k\u0101inga, \u0101, ki te kore e whakaae, he aha te take e p\u0113r\u0101 ai?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E[What are his policies for protecting the health of the M\u0101ui dolphin, and will he agree to a moratorium on set nets and trawl fishing within their habitats, and if he does not agree, why is that?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6700c8ec1014c26b6b823fba83a0426\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: Over the years, a host of restrictive measures have been put in place for this mythological creature sadly known as the M\u0101ui dolphin. This has had a significant impact on the ability and the viability of the fisheries sector, but we should not devalue the work that has already taken place on the west coast of Te Ikaroa-a-M\u0101ui to provide remedial measures for this declining population of mythical Hector\u2019s dolphins.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224bbea1d1752c4c09afdb0d0b8af6ea4e\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: Kei a ia he m\u0101harahara, he \u0101wangawanga r\u0101nei i te heke o te tautoko a ng\u0101 kamupene h\u012B ika n\u0101 runga i tana kaha aronga ki a r\u0101tou noa iho, kei tua atu i te hapori wh\u0101nui?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E[Does he have any worries or concerns regarding the decline in support of fisheries companies due to his focused attention given to them alone, beyond the wider community?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5ecb2f4702b406c88d41452451f727b\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: \u0100, ko te koronga kei ahau, me p\u0113hea r\u0101nei e whakaranea ai te oranga mai i ng\u0101 mau o te moana, ehara i te mea m\u014D ng\u0101 kamupene hopu, hao ika \u0101nakenake, otir\u0101 ko ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau, ko ng\u0101 hap\u016B, me te iwi hoki i whiwhi ai i ng\u0101 p\u0101nga kia \u0101hei ai r\u0101tou kia haere tonu ki te moana, h\u012Bh\u012B haohao ai kia riro mai i a r\u0101tou he oranga. Koia t\u0113n\u0101 te hoaketanga whakaharahara kei ahau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022\u003E[Oh, the desire that I have, how might wellbeing be expanded from the ocean\u2019s haul, not only for the companies that catch fish alone but indeed for the families, the hap\u016B, and also the iwi that have acquired interests so that they may go to the sea and go fishing with line and net so that they may have some benefit\u2014that indeed is the enormous responsibility that I have.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a57c908013e34224913a59af91fc109a\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: Ka whakaaetia e ia kia aukati i te w\u0101hi h\u012B ika ki Chatham Rise i te mea kei te tata ngaro te orange roughy ki reira, ka hiahiatia r\u0101nei te whakapakaru i ng\u0101 m\u0101ra k\u0101oa r\u0101nei? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E[Will he agree to close the fishing area on Chatham Rise because the orange roughy is nearly gone from there, or would he prefer the coral gardens be destroyed?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260b793170a4940498c28308393dfe741\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: That fish referred to as the orange roughy is known in M\u0101ori as niho rota. That area has been the subject of considerable public discussion and any decisions made under law, in the future, governing the amount of fish that may be taken from that area will be announced in due course. But I would say to the member: less uncritical repetition of untested science is best.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e80aaf4d11a40ca91b6bab6a3b046b6\u0022\u003ETeanau Tuiono\u003C/span\u003E: Ka whai mahere ia kia whakauru i \u0113tahi atu an\u014D panonitanga ture kia t\u0101wharau ai i \u0101na kaupapahere; m\u0113n\u0101 i p\u0113r\u0101, ka k\u014Drero ki te Attorney-General kei ngoikore haere ng\u0101 tukanga ture?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E[Is he planning to introduce any other law changes to protect his policies, and, if so, has he spoken with the Attorney-General about how these may erode legal processes?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e11fe9a40564ff4b1b8bcbdb52764e9\u0022\u003EHon SHANE JONES\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve been known to have multiple discussions with the Attorney-General, and I am very conscious that there are a host of court cases pertaining to fisheries. Who knows what fresh bouts of litigation might take place, but any decisions made and plans introduced will be done in a way that strikes a balance between utilisation\u2014but I will not be guilt-tripped about mythical creatures living off the west coast of Taranaki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228f42cfc85ef2428f9dcefb0c1d2e35ac\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014M\u0101ori Development\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002275c91eb6ccf24d019842f5b5d510d37d\u0022 data-id=\u0022077aefdc6c3c4ea281df10fa61b1519b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275c91eb6ccf24d019842f5b5d510d37d\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022077aefdc6c3c4ea281df10fa61b1519b\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for M\u0101ori Development: E whakapau kaha ana t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga ki te tautoko i te reo M\u0101ori ki Aotearoa nei?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275c91eb6ccf24d019842f5b5d510d37d\u0022\u003E[Is the Government doing all it can to support the M\u0101ori language here in New Zealand?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022 data-id=\u002291d98b0bcbe9438581fecbbe29579a44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002291d98b0bcbe9438581fecbbe29579a44\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA (Minister for M\u0101ori Development):\u003C/span\u003E \u0100na, kei te whakapau kaha te K\u0101wanatanga me te Karauna, ki te h\u0101pai, ki te tautoko i te reo M\u0101ori. Heoi an\u014D, he nui ng\u0101 m\u0101nuka takoto kei mua i te aroaro o te K\u0101wanatanga me te Karauna, h\u0101unga ko ng\u0101 iwi, ng\u0101 marae, ng\u0101 hap\u016B me ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E[Yes, the Government and the Crown are working hard to promote and support the M\u0101ori language. However, there are many challenges in front of the Government and the Crown, not to mention the iwi, marae, hap\u016B, and wh\u0101nau.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275c91eb6ccf24d019842f5b5d510d37d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288b12b6727c24ab4b591592767bffa19\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Did he discuss with Minister Stanford that rationale why te reo M\u0101ori is important for children\u2019s learning before she removed it from children\u2019s reading resources; and, if so, what was her response?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225d6184beb35049f0af83bb6e335a9862\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: Ka nui hoki ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i waenga i a m\u0101ua ko te Minita M\u0101tauranga e p\u0101 ana ki \u0113nei momo take, me te m\u014Dhio hoki ka nui tana tautoko i te ahunga, i te anga whakamua o te reo M\u0101ori, \u0101, ki \u0101na pukapuka motuhake, ar\u0101 ko ng\u0101 decodable books, i roto i te reo rangatira. He nui ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki \u0101na mahi t\u012Bkaro mai i te reo M\u0101ori i ng\u0101 pukapuka reo Ingarihi engari k\u0101re an\u014D au kia kite i te k\u014Drero \u014Dkawa e p\u0101 ana ki \u0101na mahi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E[There have been many discussions between myself and the Minster of Education regarding these types of issues, and I know that she is very supportive of the direction and the progress of the M\u0101ori language, including with her special books\u2014i.e., the decodable books in the noble language.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275c91eb6ccf24d019842f5b5d510d37d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220531d724d694440e9386cb60b6cb6345\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Did he raise with Minister Stanford the concerns from Professor Rawinia Higgins, who said she had \u201Csignificant questions about the commitment to supporting te reo M\u0101ori\u201D when the Minister cut the Te Kawa Matakura programme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221481f93c892644f69fa189ad7fb0de0a\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: K\u0101re au i te \u0101ta m\u014Dhio ki ng\u0101 whakanekenekenga katoa e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113r\u0101 h\u014Dtaka, engari ia te rua wiki, ia te rua wiki, m\u0101ua ko Minita Standford e k\u014Drerorero ana m\u014D \u0113nei take, ar\u0101 t\u014D t\u0101tou reo M\u0101ori hei p\u012Btau ira t\u016B\u0101papa hoki m\u014D te nanahi, m\u014D te n\u0101ianei me te \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E[I am not entirely aware of all the ins and outs regarding that programme, but every fortnight, Minister Stanford and I discuss these types of issues\u2014i.e., our M\u0101ori language as an excellent foundation for yesterday, for today, and for tomorrow.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275c91eb6ccf24d019842f5b5d510d37d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6cc5032ef4f491eb65040d8e1715d52\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: Will the Government financially commit to the language and culture of rangatahi M\u0101ori in T\u0101maki-maka-rau by funding the $850,000 per year it costs to host the M\u0101ori stage at the ASB Polyfest, or will his Government leave this important rangatahi kaupapa high and dry?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022afe62ab19e754426a2d03c9f260053d2\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: Kua kite hoki i te nui tautoko a t\u0113nei K\u0101wanatanga me ng\u0101 K\u0101wanatanga o mua i ng\u0101 mahi a Te Matatini. Ka riro an\u014D m\u0101 t\u0113r\u0101 ohu a Te Matatini \u0113nei momo kaupapa e whakat\u016Bwatawata. Me te m\u014Dhio hoki kaua e riro m\u0101 ia te maikuku o te K\u0101wanatanga e whaiwhai haere i \u0101na p\u016Btea, p\u012Bnati p\u016Btea nei, e whakat\u016B i t\u0113tehi kaupapa. He kaupapa nui, he kaupapa whakahirahira hoki t\u014D te kaupapa Polyfest, e mihi ana ki ng\u0101 kaiwhakahaere me ng\u0101 kaiwhakamaunu i t\u0113r\u0101 waka.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E[I have seen the great support of this Government and previous Governments for the activities of Te Matatini. It will again be left to that board of Te Matatini to fortify these types of initiatives. And I also know that it won\u2019t be left to each finger of Government to pursue its funding, its peanut funding, to manage such initiatives.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002275c91eb6ccf24d019842f5b5d510d37d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022870d8f846c5a4b5c8a7e6670d115033c\u0022\u003EHon Peeni Henare\u003C/span\u003E: How can anyone have confidence in Ministers responsible for the M\u0101ori language when the Government cuts funding, cuts courses, cuts te reo from books, cuts te reo from official invitations, and then expects to reach 1 million speakers by 2040?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226fb313cb4e5f4ec4965d5d2d572a0a0b\u0022\u003EHon TAMA POTAKA\u003C/span\u003E: Kua kitea hoki ng\u0101 k\u012Banga k\u014Drero a t\u014D m\u0101tou, ko te K\u0101wanatanga, Manu P\u016Btea te whakatuar\u0101 hoki i Te Matatini. Koia hoki t\u0113tehi o ng\u0101 kanohi nui o te ao e p\u0101 ana ki t\u0113nei iho p\u016Bmanawa, ko t\u014D t\u0101tou reo. K\u0101ore ia i tapahi i \u0113r\u0101 p\u016Btea, engari i whakatuar\u0101 i \u0113r\u0101 p\u016Btea tautoko i Te Matatini, tae atu ki ng\u0101 kaupapa p\u0113r\u0101 i te M\u0101ori Manaaki Trust, tae atu ki te $700 miriona - $800 miriona e whakapau kaha ana \u0113nei K\u0101wanatanga ki ng\u0101 kaupapa reo M\u0101ori, ki ng\u0101 kura reo M\u0101ori me \u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 h\u014Dtaka ki roto i ng\u0101 kura. N\u0101 reira kia \u0101ta haere, kia \u0101ta whakat\u016Bpato i te kupu k\u014Drero ka maringi mai i te arero o te tangata e tapahi ana t\u0113nei K\u0101wanatanga i ng\u0101 p\u016Btea tautoko katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229d5b13d601794bb282d99453116ad395\u0022\u003E[The statements of our, the Government\u2019s, finance Minister have been seen that support Te Matatini. That is one of the most visible visages in the world regarding this true talent, our language. She did not cut that funding, but instead backed that funding that supports Te Matatini, including initiatives such as the M\u0101ori Manaaki Trust, and including $700 million to $800 million that the Government has expended on M\u0101ori language projects, M\u0101ori-medium schools, and other such programmes within schools. And so we must take it easy, we must take care with the words that pour off our tongues\u2014that this Government has cut all support funding.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c115f6f321244030bd8b2db12ecb2f13\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Transport\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002288978fb9592a4911a8e47eae04d164f3\u0022 data-id=\u0022161d42dd4ff84e968d17c037110b8610\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002288978fb9592a4911a8e47eae04d164f3\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022161d42dd4ff84e968d17c037110b8610\u0022\u003EDr VANESSA WEENINK (National\u2014Banks Peninsula)\u003C/span\u003E to the Associate Minister of Transport: What recent announcements has he made about the Ashburton Bridge?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225459b3c0726d42c1b6d3cc94ec303baa\u0022 data-id=\u0022b93a95be8b444117853efa0093b5e564\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225459b3c0726d42c1b6d3cc94ec303baa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b93a95be8b444117853efa0093b5e564\u0022\u003EHon JAMES MEAGER (Associate Minister of Transport):\u003C/span\u003E Earlier this month, I announced that the New Zealand Transport Agency has signed a contract with Fletcher Construction to progress the detailed bridge design so that the construction on the new Ashburton bridge can kick off early next year. This is real progress towards the National Party\u2019s campaign promise to start construction of the bridge in our first term. We are a Government that is delivering on our promise to the people of mid-Canterbury.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002288978fb9592a4911a8e47eae04d164f3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba8ec7fb864a4fbeb0cd5a8929702f6b\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: Why is a second bridge needed?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225459b3c0726d42c1b6d3cc94ec303baa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a95603becb6e46ffb7e3dc1d972d95b1\u0022\u003EHon JAMES MEAGER\u003C/span\u003E: With about 24,000 vehicles using the current bridge daily, we need to ensure that people and goods can get up and down the South Island. Futureproofing this bridge is important to improving network resilience south to Otago in case of emergency events like flooding. The new bridge will be a vital connection for Tinwald to Ashburton and to relieve congestion on State Highway 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002288978fb9592a4911a8e47eae04d164f3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296934c0e1645469288bdb4ac89b18a82\u0022\u003EDr Vanessa Weenink\u003C/span\u003E: What are the next steps for the bridge?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225459b3c0726d42c1b6d3cc94ec303baa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200fd08f2ed3e433bbedfe1b479403fd8\u0022\u003EHon JAMES MEAGER\u003C/span\u003E: Along with building it, we have to do the geotechnical investigations in and around the Ashburton River. They have now been completed and the bore hole samples are being analysed to better understand the ground conditions for building the bridge. The project team is progressing property purchases, statutory approvals, and procurement. Design and construction contracts are expected to be signed at the end of the year. All this demonstrates the need for things like our fast-track approvals process to make sure that we can get things built in this country. I look forward to announcing the next steps once negotiations have been concluded, and we\u2019ll be pitching for the bridge to be named Browns\u2019 Bridge in honour of two of its strongest advocates.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002284fb84b66d214892b40a870e30a52c7c\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Workplace Relations and Safety\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022 data-id=\u00223f167822ee5c4b3cb08b710500f2eac5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223f167822ee5c4b3cb08b710500f2eac5\u0022\u003ECAMILLA BELICH (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety: Does she stand by her statement that \u201Cthis Government is delivering for all workers\u201D; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222204e041e14c40fcbec76cc14f0da486\u0022 data-id=\u0022605e90d12fac44998d5cea8b1446cbb1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222204e041e14c40fcbec76cc14f0da486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022605e90d12fac44998d5cea8b1446cbb1\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN (Minister for Workplace Relations and Safety):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, I do stand by my statement in the context in which it was made. This Government is delivering for all workers by reintroducing 90-day trials to ensure greater opportunities for those who may not otherwise have a shot at a job. We\u2019re removing the 30-day rule that binds new employees to collective agreements to ensure all workers have freedom of association. I could go on about all of the changes, but it is the last question on a Thursday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231cb598b213a433586a459ea5f2e17f1\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: How can she stand by her statement when the Government is offering teachers an effective pay cut leading to strike action?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222204e041e14c40fcbec76cc14f0da486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e6e269815394ea6a9d41cd5b4189db9\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: I can\u2019t get involved in individual collective bargaining that\u2019s happening across the public sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dacf9e5010bc493cb2c46a0687587cb8\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. The question was not asking the Minister to comment on that; it was asking her to defend her statement in light of the industrial action that is under way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022343fe196e7124ba587db9af194b65b40\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: This Minister does not have responsibility for that negotiation. It puts her in a very difficult position. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3f963e4e58c4e59ac3e0acbc1ec4a73\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That probably is a fair point. Camilla Belich can ask the question without losing one of the allocated questions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238f7b70bc3c14036a358449c25326b20\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Can I ask the same question again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022585138bc56974c15951e86699d08d88f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, slightly\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220168f64a9b67454db332535fa54e42e7\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Different?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200c75e16ceca4f9fb81ab951eff94e52\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Think about the exchange we\u2019ve just had.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e0ebc1e1230a467d83c685cb0809eb2c\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Given that the Minister stands by her statement that the \u201CGovernment is delivering for all workers\u201D, how is she delivering for nurses when they are complaining and taking action in order to achieve safer staffing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222204e041e14c40fcbec76cc14f0da486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f0354143e394f97a22be4e2a88c6740\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: As I said before, I won\u2019t be getting involved in individual collective bargaining that\u2019s happening across the public sector, but what I would say is that this is a Government that also takes into consideration patients, who are also workers, and it is deeply disruptive for all workers who have surgeries\u2014they might have things that they need to go to hospital for\u2014which get disrupted, and they may have taken annual leave off for those procedures, and then, they\u2019re cancelled at the last minute. This is a Government that takes all of that into account. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e427faaf3e464b368406552629b77fbd\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: How can she stand by her statement when she has extinguished 33 pay equity claims and only one union is even considering filing new claims under her changed scheme?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222204e041e14c40fcbec76cc14f0da486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226358e78c9a16495e95dbaa26451e4c77\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: Because, of course, we want our laws to do what they say they do. I would just suggest that it\u2019s a very interesting circumstance that, when that member, after all of this time, said that this pay equity system doesn\u2019t exist and it can\u2019t be used, there is actually a union using it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237cc2231310f4f9583909b67c98bdab1\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: How can she stand by her statement when doctors have no choice but to take industrial action in the face of an effective pay cut?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222204e041e14c40fcbec76cc14f0da486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225dbd05934d7546ce923efc419916e771\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not responsible for doctors or the actions that they take. They are responsible for their own actions. This is a Government that believes in personal responsibility. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e4a5f943abb4f0091d946f02d21e6c3\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: How can she stand by her statement when thousands of workers will be gathering around New Zealand on Saturday to protest the Government\u2019s actions against pay equity?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222204e041e14c40fcbec76cc14f0da486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c04791c61193433faeb222b4629c6c3a\u0022\u003EHon BROOKE VAN VELDEN\u003C/span\u003E: Like I\u2019ve said, the equal pay system remains. Pay equity remains. Some unions are looking to use it, and I would suggest that that member might wish to encourage others to use the system that has been established under the law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222204e041e14c40fcbec76cc14f0da486\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022be8bbdbc38024de7a5da0b3056eac8ba\u0022\u003EUrgent Debates Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220e20b0f0bbda4db29221da3047c5386e\u0022\u003EIndependent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory\u2014Findings\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002293826b81f5964876a97a6a71a4c0ac1a\u0022\u003EAssociate Minister of Health\u2014Compliance with Public Records Act 2005\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022 data-id=\u00221ccbcba0c2a94568baf16d0227f0b790\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ccbcba0c2a94568baf16d0227f0b790\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve received a letter from the Hon Marama Davidson seeking to debate under Standing Order 399 the findings of the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory for the United Nations Human Rights Council. This is a particular case of recent occurrence. The situation in Gaza is one of great importance and concern to this Parliament and to New Zealanders generally. However, there is no ministerial or Government responsibility for the findings of the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry. That is a mandatory element of any urgent debate under Standing Order 399(2)(b) and without it I cannot grant the request for an urgent debate. This application is declined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve also received a letter from the Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall seeking to debate under Standing Order 399 a failure by the Associate Minister of Health to comply with the Public Records Act 2005. This is a particular case of recent occurrence involving the administrative responsibility of the Government. The question is whether the matter is of sufficient importance for the House to warrant setting aside its normal business. Compliance with the Cabinet Manual by Ministers and confidence in Ministers are matters for the Prime Minister. I do not think the matter requires the immediate attention of the House. The application is declined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226fa680fb24f54ce080594b6c57f2ab6b\u0022\u003EBroadcasting (Repeal of Advertising Restrictions) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002202bf58d3096a4f36902c370db94c11a2\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e7d784761dd54cfca19f511d70e6144a\u0022\u003EClause 1  Title\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab6ac7f21776423c814cd3a5b3f9735c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab6ac7f21776423c814cd3a5b3f9735c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee on the Broadcasting (Repeal of Advertising Restrictions) Amendment Bill. We come first to clause 1.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022 data-id=\u00226662654c6cc24760ad815b0e8ff7126e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226662654c6cc24760ad815b0e8ff7126e\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to move that\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9c678c375bd48ea860a13eb9d8529c1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just ask for quiet in the Chamber, please. A point of order is taken in silence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270b03672d0f84fb4858f610f4d07e584\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019d like to move that it be taken as one question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fde43f62349e42b2880985d1353afb56\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Seeking leave for that purpose?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3006948e6b04cb7b919af1ec061f605\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH\u003C/span\u003E: Seeking leave.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u00221fc3a1b2c83d4dcf96c6408e678c9baf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221fc3a1b2c83d4dcf96c6408e678c9baf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is objection. Leave is declined. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u00225e8e95dd7f784159b40e23f635c665f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225e8e95dd7f784159b40e23f635c665f7\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Good afternoon to all members of this, the committee of the whole House. It\u2019s a pleasure to speak to the Broadcasting (Repeal of Advertising Restrictions) Amendment Bill. I\u2019d like to thank everyone on behalf of the Minister for Media and Communications particularly, and the Government more generally. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to the debate and the discussion and the policy development so far, including the Economic Development, Science and Innovation Committee, as they\u2019re known, along with those who made submissions on the bill, including members of the fourth estate, of course.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EAs we know, the bill repeals section 81 of the Broadcasting Act 1989. This is the provision that restricts advertising on broadcast TV on Sundays, Anzac Day mornings between 6 a.m. and noon, and on both TV and radio on Christmas Day, Good Friday, and Easter Sunday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EThe laudable aim we start by recognising is, of course, to maintain a place for a diversity of less-commercial programming, and we understand that feels important. Nevertheless, in the modern era, of course, it\u2019s important to recognise that there are many different ways and many different avenues\u2014channels, so to speak\u2014in which we consume media. There is a strong argument to be made for alignment across those different platforms and media types. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EI\u2019m pleased that the select committee recommended that the bill proceed with no amendments, and we, of course, will monitor the way this plays out across those particular days of interest to many New Zealanders and look forward to the discussion in the committee today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224688af618c1c40acba8cb3b9fc200c34\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: As a matter of clarity, this is the debate on the title, so the question is that clause 1 stand part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022 data-id=\u0022935df05961644c239f73795175b11965\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022935df05961644c239f73795175b11965\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON (Labour\u2014Christchurch East):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. It is good to have the opportunity to step through this bill clause by clause, albeit a very small bill. It\u2019s for a sector that faces some very large challenges.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EI think in considering clause 1, and speaking to the title of the bill, it would be worth us getting a solid understanding in the committee of the environment our local media sector is operating in. This is relevant to both the advertising revenue available to our broadcasting, television, and radio sector, but also to the wider sector and the extreme challenges that they have faced over the last two years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EI want to start by acknowledging that on 28 February 2024, the Warner Bros. Discovery company proposed to close Newshub, one of only two linear television news broadcast services. On 7 March 2024, Television New Zealand (TVNZ) announced 68 job cuts, including some large flagship shows at our State broadcaster.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EThese two events were described by both our Prime Minister and the then Minister of Broadcasting as unsettling. They went on to say that neither had asked them for financial support, but they were keen to do what they could to support both of those companies\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c2eb833c7fe410da677835c792fbe6f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry to interrupt the member. Can he bring his questioning to the title?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281244bf5bc4d46b0aa40bba955ced312\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, absolutely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab1e01e5ece743479e798f6db4df41f1\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. Thank you, Madam Chair. The Standing Orders are quite clear on the title and commencement part of a committee stage that the debate is more wide-ranging. Given that there is no part under which to debate title and commencement, it seems appropriate to me that the title clause is the most wide-ranging of the debates. Now, if you\u2019ll give us some guidance about another clause that you would prefer the more wide-ranging questions to the Minister about policy to be undertaken, I\u2019m sure we can accommodate that. But I do invite you to allow at least one speech from our spokesperson on broadcasting around the wide-ranging issues that people following along at home will be interested in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee51b841729e4020b0225111a8c090d4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I understand. I just want to pull it back; they were getting quite historic. But I do understand your point. So, yes, but we are talking about the title. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de875ef82d3d41b291b6c470543b013d\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON\u003C/span\u003E: Certainly. So to come back to the title, and to relate the points that I was covering around the depth and volume of the job cuts that we\u2019ve seen across the media sector as a result of the challenges that our broadcast media sector in New Zealand is facing, I\u2019ll move through those job losses a little faster. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EWe\u2019re talking about large numbers of people. We\u2019re talking about 68 people losing their job at TVNZ. We\u2019re talking about more than 200 people losing their job at Newshub. We\u2019re talking about ongoing job losses, again, at TVNZ; a further 50 jobs gone at the beginning of November in 2024. At the same time as those jobs are being lost\u2014and it\u2019s easy for us to talk about jobs and to forget that \u201Cjobs\u201D is not just a word; \u201Cjobs\u201D is people. Those are people who go home to their families no longer with an income or with a job in an industry that serves New Zealanders and serves democracy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EWhat this shows us is that this repeal, in and of itself, is a very, very small and limited bill that has a very, very minor impact on the broadcasting sector, on the broadcasting industry, on the ability for us to create new jobs or protect existing jobs in our broadcasting and media sector. So the title and the title clause feels like it doesn\u2019t give adequate acknowledgment to the depth of the challenges and to the small scale of the financial return that a shift like this will bring for the sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EThe job losses\u2014and I\u2019m conscious of time\u2014have continued across the sector. It\u2019s important to note that the Minister who brought this bill forward and introduced it in December 2024\u2014so we\u2019re coming up to 12 months ago, and we are now only at the committee of the whole House stage\u2014said that this would be part of immediate action for the sector. At the rate that it\u2019s moving, and with the impact that it will have for the industry, it really is a very, very small ripple in the pond, as opposed to any kind of meaningful, immediate action that will provide the kind of support that the sector needs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EI did want to signal that at the top. Given the scale of the crisis faced by the sector and the challenges around drawing revenue for the sector, my question was: how much revenue does the Minister believe this will bring for the sector; and does the Minister think, given the very small revenue bought, that the title is an appropriate title for the bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u002210f2728c2c3b4ddd9546ec3372e90996\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002210f2728c2c3b4ddd9546ec3372e90996\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. The title\u2019s an appropriate title for the bill because it describes what the bill does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022 data-id=\u002217d72ba5eaf145e1bf8692d672a489ac\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002217d72ba5eaf145e1bf8692d672a489ac\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Following some of these questions on the suitability of the title, which is the Broadcasting (Repeal of Advertising Restrictions) Amendment Bill, I did want to flag the sort of broader policy intent of repealing advertising restrictions. I wonder if the Minister would put it in the Hansard and on the record: what percentage of the revenue that this bill will bring by repealing advertising restrictions, as per the title, will make up a percentage of the amount of total revenue?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003EThe reason why I\u2019m asking this is that if the title is being advertised to the public as \u201CThis will allow more advertising, which in and of itself will bring greater revenue.\u201D, I\u2019m interested to know therefore how much of this revenue will be in comparison to the total revenue that is being brought when it comes to advertisement\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217c80218e59f4d6b968c22e78a67b347\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry to interrupt the member. This is a clause by clause debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211815b62d73040da94fea7c537a6ae0d\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: I hear that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6ce3f57760e4071807ee96c0cfe05ad\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: This is not by part. So the clause is the title and it\u2019s quite narrow.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295f45a2837de489dbec6bce51495bf67\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: And as Arena Williams pointed out, this is also one of the areas where, according to the guidance that we\u2019re given, we could ask broader questions. And if the title is going to be repealed\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6f3dc6695cf40c283271680adb4e091\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: No, you\u2019re not hearing me. This is a very narrow debate on a clause by clause debate. I refer the member to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022863bdd9543834b5580c211242cf76694\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: So does the Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221562386063a54f5f93ed24eafd88c72d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Excuse me, I\u2019m speaking. I\u2019m referencing Speakers\u2019 rulings 127/2. It is very different from a part by part debate. We are just confined to the title.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225888bf93ccb748b48208bdb7211dd241\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: Fair enough. Does the Minister agree that this title adequately represents the amount of insignificant revenue that will be brought by repealing these advertising restrictions, and does the Minister believe that perhaps a different title, such as \u201C(Insufficient Revenue Gathering)\u201D, would be more appropriate as the name of the bill? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003EThis relates to the earlier point I made in relationship to revenue gathering. I noted the comments from the Minister earlier in relation to\u2014you know, this is a simple title that simply describes what the bill does. But for everyday people, it\u2019s worthwhile noting that if you just read \u201C(Repeal of Advertising Restrictions)\u201D, you may be thinking that we had this, like, humongous level of advertising restrictions placed on our broadcasting sector, and the public may be led to believe that the amount of revenue, based on the title, may be really significant. So I did wonder whether the Minister thought about perhaps a different type of title being more adequate in describing what the bill actually does. Because the title, in my view, does not adequately describe what the bill actually does, which is gathering a very insignificant amount of revenue at a time when the broadcasting sector is really, really struggling. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003EDid the Minister seek any other options for titles for this bill? We talked a lot about using plain language in legislation to support members of the public engage with our legislative processes. So I did wonder whether he thought that a different use of language would have been more appropriate. Did he at any point seek advice on a different name for the bill, and, if not, why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u002252c9051cbfc743c38b1ac02710b303a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252c9051cbfc743c38b1ac02710b303a1\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. The content of this very short bill is to repeal advertising restrictions. It\u2019s appropriate, therefore, that its title is \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D. Anything more or less than that would be remiss on the part of the Minister, and I\u2019m pleased that he has gone for a very descriptive, straightforward title. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022fcfaca304ace43b68609cc5d3439571d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fcfaca304ace43b68609cc5d3439571d\u0022\u003ETOM RUTHERFORD (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226ae05ecc13df47cd9a266b60410ef00d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022 data-id=\u0022430e506057a446c698eaa4a71de6776a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022430e506057a446c698eaa4a71de6776a\u0022\u003EGLEN BENNETT (Chief Whip\u2014Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Madam Chair. I understand you made it very clear at the start around the narrowness of the title. It does seem hard for us on the Opposition side to\u2014I\u2019ve only had one call, and only from our spokesperson; not from other members of the select committee; and also having only two from the Opposition side. I just really want you to consider that, in terms of there were at least four people I saw seeking a call. To shut it down so quickly didn\u2019t seem fair on our side.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022f9f11a77b56f448ca7c05661a66c6666\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f9f11a77b56f448ca7c05661a66c6666\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry that you felt that way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e89dfd9e16e8402da2dc065242353fd1\u0022\u003EGlen Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea9c16757e144dac9c50474cc0ab0f23\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I haven\u2019t finished speaking yet. I did make it clear on purpose. Usually on a clause by clause, when you\u2019re talking about title, there is latitude given for a summation because the title clause is usually debated at the end. So there is a consideration given to widening the scope. This is up at the front. So it narrows it considerably. Nobody spoke to an Amendment Paper. So I\u2019ve made the call. There was very little room for manoeuvring. The Minister had made his point extremely clear that the narrow title reflected the bill, and there was clearly going to be no movement from that. So we are moving on now to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bfc4c257dbbd48ce8255639688a41f9a\u0022\u003EGlen Bennett\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, I mean, the clarity I seek is you\u2019re unsure of\u2014there were two calls made. Yes, narrow. Yes, I understand it wasn\u2019t clause by clause, but there were contributions that were sitting here waiting that we will never know what those questions were or what the contribution could have been into this specific debate. [Interruption] Point of order, Madam Chair. Just in terms of the order of the House, another point I\u2019d like to make is making noise during the vote, I understand that is against the rules\u2014the fact that the chief whip of the Government did that, I thought, was unhelpful. Taking points of order in silence is another part of that, which I\u2019d ask you to consider, to make sure that they are heard in silence, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022422788af0e9846bdbd0822021dffb00c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll take that point on board. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c10675d698f4034bd584f8d3e58779a\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6f371c719f7405a9ce55427dab4e504\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We still have a range of questions to put to the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EReuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 1, replacing \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D with \u201CFailed Promise for Immediate Action\u201D is ruled out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EThe question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 1, replacing \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D with \u201CAdvertising on Sundays and Public Holidays\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022488292acc89947e296bd3c590740dc12\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u002278f53e80d15b42fe81bd961a28691675\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002278f53e80d15b42fe81bd961a28691675\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 1, replacing \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D with \u201CMelissa Lee Was Gone By Now\u201D, is ruled out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EReuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 1, replacing \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D with \u201C$6 Million Solution to a $100 Million Problem\u201D, is ruled out of order as not being an objective description of the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EReuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 1, replacing \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D with \u201CGet to Work Goldsmith\u201D, is ruled out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EReuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 1, replacing \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D with \u201CNot-So-Immediate Action\u201D, is ruled out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EReuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 1, replacing \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D with \u201CMerry Christmas\u201D, is ruled out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EReuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 1, replacing \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D with \u201CWillie Jackson Solved This Problem Two Years Ago\u201D, is ruled out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EReuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 1, replacing \u201CRepeal of Advertising Restrictions\u201D with \u201CJob Losses Aren\u2019t Slowing Down\u201D, is ruled out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002278e7e813c4ec4c56814915ccdeb7fed6\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause 1 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222d5230e1a1c34fb293a6b22f98ea6edd\u0022\u003EClause 2  Commencement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u002288992fadc3df49bb81c4a961f1b8407c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002288992fadc3df49bb81c4a961f1b8407c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we now come to clause 2. This is the debate on the commencement. The question is that clause 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022 data-id=\u0022688102d704574574bc599c193af62dbd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022688102d704574574bc599c193af62dbd\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. This is my first opportunity to take a call on this bill. I hope you\u2019ll allow me, Madam Chair, to take the committee through my amendments to this part, clause 2, because the House Office are in the process of processing my amendments to this and haven\u2019t yet been able to put them on the Table. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EThe reason for a number of amendments, particularly to the time of Royal assent, is that this is a bill that is important to the Government\u2019s programme for the broadcasting industry. It is one that relates quite closely to funding for certain programmes and certain actors within it, so the timing is important\u2014we believe this should happen before Christmas. But it is actually a bill that amends a number of specific dates, and I will have more questions for the Minister in the chair on the specific dates\u2014particularly Christmas Day and Easter dates. This is a very different debate to what was the context of those amendments in 1993 to the Broadcasting Act. Those amendments were giving effect to those special dates of Christmas and Easter because they were seen as days where advertising was inappropriate, so I\u2019ll be asking him whether there are other safeguards that are appropriate for the sorts of advertising that is shown on those dates.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EBut if you\u2019ll allow me to take the committee through what I am proposing here for the date of Royal assent, I don\u2019t think the day after Royal assent is the most appropriate date. I think it would be appropriate to choose one of the important days also in the range of Christian holidays to assent to this bill and for it to commence, given that, in the context of the 1993 changes, there was special consideration given for those days. Choosing from a range of 25 amendments I have proposed around the days between now and Christmas that would appropriately recognise those traditions that were being recognised in the changes in 1993 and 2002, I think, would be the most appropriate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EI\u2019m going to very quickly sign these amendments for the Minister so that he can have a look at them to consider whether it would be appropriate for this bill to come into effect on one of those days. For instance, just to give him a taste, I have \u201Cin clause 2, delete the words \u2018on the day after Royal assent\u2019 and replace it with \u2018on Gaudete Sunday 2025.\u2019 \u201D Or, if it is his preference, \u201Cin clause 2, delete the words \u2018after Royal Assent\u2019 and replace it with \u2018on All Saints\u2019 Day 2025\u2019.\u201D Those would both be appropriate days and would recognise the tradition that we are wiping away with this amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003ELabour does support this bill and will be voting for this part, but it\u2019s important that we recognise the tradition that is being wiped away here. It is useful for everyone in this Chamber to appreciate why those days were singled out for advertising restrictions. Given that this bill is called a repeal of advertising restrictions bill\u2014but it does, in fact, take away only the advertising restrictions that were on those Christian holidays and Anzac Day and does not repeal any other advertising restrictions that are still in law\u2014it\u2019s quite useful for us to understand not only what we are doing here but the historical context that we are, effectively, erasing here by taking away those two particular dates. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EThat is why I have made some other suggestions like: \u201Cin clause 2, delete the words \u2018on the day after Royal assent\u2019 and replace it with \u2018on the Feast of St. Thomas the Apostle 2025.\u2019 \u201D I would suggest to the Minister that he could also consider: \u201Cin clause 2, delete the words \u2018on the day after Royal assent\u2019 and replace it with \u2018on the Feast of St John of the Cross 2025.\u2019 \u201D It would also be useful for the Minister to consider my amendment: \u201Cin clause 2, delete the words \u2018on the day after Royal Assent\u2019 and replace it with \u2018on the Feast of St Lucy 2025\u2019.\u201D I\u2019ve also suggested \u201Cthe Feast Day of St Nicholas 2025.\u201D The Minister might like to enlighten the House about which of those are his favoured saints. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EI have also made some amendments suggesting various Sundays in Advent. Though this is not my area of expertise\u2014I was raised both Anglican and in Te Hahi Ringat\u016B, which does not have special celebrations of many of these feast days\u2014I also did celebrate, in my youth, the Mondays and Sundays of Advent, so I have suggested each of the Mondays and Sundays of Advent. The Minister might like to clarify for the committee which of the Sundays in Advent is his favourite.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea5095b113a84d2a8e45bf97996ad487\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea5095b113a84d2a8e45bf97996ad487\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I commend the member Arena Williams for her thoroughness. It\u2019s clear, however, that\u2014from the Government point of view, and as members Opposite have actually pointed out\u2014this is a well-signalled move. It\u2019s important to bring it in as soon as reasonably possible. We\u2019re not talking about doing this on Christmas Eve or on Maundy Thursday or on 24\u00A0April; there is sufficient time for arrangements to be made such that advertising will be restricted in the way that the bill sets out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EI note that there are other dates of significance in the Christian calendar, but also of various other cultural and ethnic significance to New Zealanders throughout the year. But to the extent that those already allow advertising, there is no need for the restrictions on those to be repealed by this bill. So I commend her breadth of knowledge, but I don\u2019t think it\u2019s particularly helpful. Certainly, the Government won\u2019t be entertaining any changes to that which was put forward, namely, to bring into the bill as soon as reasonably possible\u2014namely, the day after Royal assent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022 data-id=\u0022d331ef01f5fa4f8eada3cd3977551f2c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d331ef01f5fa4f8eada3cd3977551f2c\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON (Labour\u2014Christchurch East):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, for the opportunity to take a further call on this bill and particularly to take a call at this point where we\u2019re talking about clause 2 and about the date of Royal assent as the potential time frame for the bill to come into effect. We know what the impacts of that will be. I would like to thank my colleague, St Arena, for taking us through a number of potential religious holidays that could be observed\u2014or through the action of a bill such as this, no longer observed\u2014by the removal of the restrictions or the repeal of the part of the Broadcasting Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EThe answer I would like to hear from the Minister is around the potential timing of the assent of the bill. Given the slow speed with which the bill has moved through the House so far, and given the religious holidays and public holidays that are observed by the existing Broadcasting Act in the section proposed to be repealed, those public holidays\u2014and there are a number not observed in the Act, many of which were detailed by my fellow MP here, but the ones that are covered in the Act\u2014cluster; they all seem to happen within a single quarter of the year.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EFor a Government that\u2019s very focused on specific quarters and targets, for example, we see that we would have Christmas Day, Good Friday, and Easter Monday all fall, more or less, into a single quarter of the end of 2025 and the commencement of 2026.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ESo if the assent was to miss the ability to be implemented prior to that quarter, in the next 12 months from now, then the net benefit of the projected, very optimistic, $6 million that this change claims to return to the industry would in fact be significantly eroded because four of the five potential public holidays would be missed altogether.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ESo the question really is around whether the Minister has given that any consideration, whether the Minister has a sense of what the specific revenue value of each of those days is, whether there\u2019s much of a variance there, and the impact that Royal assent would have on that so that the bold claim of a $6 million return in new revenue to the industry can actually be calculated far more accurately, based on what we can anticipate seeing being returned through new ad spend on broadcast radio and linear television broadcasts, on the basis of Royal assent falling at a specific point over the next 12 months, which is certainly when I think everybody would like to see this bill coming into effect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ESo it\u2019s really a question around the potential for the Minister to be able to move the balance of this bill in its final stages through the House so that the revenue can be returned to the industry that, as I outlined in my initial speech, desperately needs income now to support the people who keep it working. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d92a09db28c44070bbfdcc9f0e6f3cca\u0022 data-id=\u0022e542993ef6394f8c8ca4cb37893bc77a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d92a09db28c44070bbfdcc9f0e6f3cca\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e542993ef6394f8c8ca4cb37893bc77a\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019ll make a very brief contribution on this clause. I think, perhaps, while various members might be invoking saints and speaking about religious days, it\u2019s really important that, perhaps, we should have commenced our procedures this afternoon with a prayer to Saint Claire of Assisi, the patron saint of television broadcasting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d92a09db28c44070bbfdcc9f0e6f3cca\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just like to highlight a point from our broadcasters who this bill will affect\u2014is that as soon as possible for this bill to be put through the House, giving them time so that, if possible, they are able to get advertising booked in time for this Christmas? That is what they are hoping for. So I just wanted to pass that on for the Minister in the chair. Something they wish is that there is not a long and protracted period of time in the House today and for the third reading\u2014that we just get this bill done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022 data-id=\u0022701f233e78bf44b3846f6e3e6169a832\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022701f233e78bf44b3846f6e3e6169a832\u0022\u003EGLEN BENNETT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora, Madam Chair. It\u2019s interesting to listen to the different arguments coming from the committee. It is always a part of the committee stage to thrash it out and try to understand and make it better if it needs to be made better, or if it\u2019s a lemon, it will always be a lemon. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003EThe Minister talked about Maundy Thursday, which is a significant day. I think that we need to consider the facts of that day and where it fits\u2014in terms of the Royal assent\u2014and what it could be. For those who don\u2019t know, it is the Thursday that leads into Easter. It has several names. Maundy Thursday can also be Holy Thursday. It is something that we respect and we consider. Would that be a significant date? As we know, in the Christian calendar\u2014if we look at when the Act comes into force\u2014at Easter time, it is a significant time of the rebirth and of new things coming. Maybe that\u2019s something to consider.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003EThe Minister did talk about Maundy Thursday. It could also be known as Holy Thursday or also known as the Thursday of Mysteries. I thought that may be quite relevant to consider, in this Part 2 of the commencement, that, maybe, the Act would have Royal assent on the Day of Mystery.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003EFor those who do attend church occasionally during Easter or for those who don\u2019t, let me explain: on Maundy Thursday or the Thursday of Mysteries, on that evening, is an event called the service of the shadows, when the church candles are slowly extinguished and it turns into darkness. I thought it would be quite appropriate for this bill, that, maybe, the day of Royal assent is Maundy Thursday. As the lights fade and the mystery and the darkness comes, it\u2019s the darkness of the future of the broadcasting industry and what it looks like.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003EI ask the Minister to consider the fact that maybe Maundy Thursday would be the day of Royal assent because it is mysterious and the darkness of the future of broadcasting is upon us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u00220890d7aa997a4f68bc21b1ef76b786e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220890d7aa997a4f68bc21b1ef76b786e7\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. At the risk of encouraging the member Glen Bennett along the Easter theme, I do rise again\u2014to simply point out that today is the day of mystery, because I don\u2019t understand what the member\u2019s talking about. He\u2019s contradicting his own colleague around the fact that his colleague is talking about bringing in this as soon as possible to ensure that we include the weight of Christmas in those first quarter occasions. Nevertheless, if we were to delay until some other date, as significant as it may be, then that would defeat the purpose. So, I think, for all these reasons, as I started by saying, the sooner that we can bring this into effect, acknowledging the point made by Jenny Marcroft\u2014the day after Royal assent is literally the fastest that we can do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002288978fb9592a4911a8e47eae04d164f3\u0022 data-id=\u0022e17b1964d72341bbae68388d8b2e834a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002288978fb9592a4911a8e47eae04d164f3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e17b1964d72341bbae68388d8b2e834a\u0022\u003EDr VANESSA WEENINK (National\u2014Banks Peninsula):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a0b371cf43db45bbacf805e2af954276\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022a0a3491be870463d8f8effa16cc1a3f2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a0a3491be870463d8f8effa16cc1a3f2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201COn the Monday prior to the first sitting of the House of Representatives in 2026\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022cfcfabd8fd2e475f9ec2fb738d0df9de\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022135bbc28abeb416b8cc4e8c9b5c62954\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022135bbc28abeb416b8cc4e8c9b5c62954\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201CThree weeks and one day after Royal Assent\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022bd8f9ae48b16421b993199f07e9f71b7\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u002251a01f05bc324a4f9ffb3f493939d22a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002251a01f05bc324a4f9ffb3f493939d22a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201COn a date appointed by the Minister for Media and Communications\u201D, is ruled out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EReuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201COn the day after publication in the Gazette\u201D, is ruled out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EThe question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201CThree months following Royal Assent\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022beaa00aa671d42439b0dd91a39d49ade\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u00227211c400cb634fc1a5996c13cb6bf08f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227211c400cb634fc1a5996c13cb6bf08f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201COn the first sitting day of the House of Representatives following Royal Assent\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225946407f118542ca95924ad6b9943c77\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022de14ad5f8ea140bbbe40516149042bf2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022de14ad5f8ea140bbbe40516149042bf2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201COn the first anniversary of the date on which it receives Royal Assent\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022ca1af5276489473c8b3b53a0402a6691\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u002272f786c72049419c8fe35448c0fd1a8e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272f786c72049419c8fe35448c0fd1a8e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201C90 days after Royal Assent\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00220acd2dccb98b43dfb8d863b654fe3f39\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022164fae27f85748dd855d1767949ea14b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022164fae27f85748dd855d1767949ea14b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201C14 days prior to the next Christmas public holiday following Royal Assent\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a0ccd06dd9bb47dab61ebda3fa946d4e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u00227a5b7f29e77541baa1041ca9f05b576c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227a5b7f29e77541baa1041ca9f05b576c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201Con the day after Royal Assent\u201D with \u201COn New Year\u2019s Day 2026\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229c6ef22a89854c589117e576ac8e4273\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u002203eef147af0a45c8975c4000c2f4e3c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002203eef147af0a45c8975c4000c2f4e3c4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 2, replacing \u201COn the day after Royal assent\u201D with \u201Con a date appointed by the Governor General by Order in Council\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022294fde9d637b4ce5b3d674217e117c43\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022224a609002d047bb9e5bbb22470a1400\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022224a609002d047bb9e5bbb22470a1400\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that clause 2 stand part. All those in favour, please say \u201CAye\u201D; to the contrary, \u201CNo\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e66329e431ea47019b41524c6ef2954a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f96b6158655745a19e61bc907e5689db\u0022\u003ECelia Wade-Brown\u003C/span\u003E: No.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e42d99b7c714cea8e736ddbb3a5d007\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The Ayes have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003EClause 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022faf58c230ab34e8cbfc30072d19629ea\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We now come to\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e66329e431ea47019b41524c6ef2954a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022610efe48ba5440959fa512cdee70f10e\u0022\u003ECelia Wade-Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Party vote, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea8bde79778546a5a17caa90f532cfa4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve already finished the vote; I\u2019ve moved on. We now come to clause 3. Clause 3 is the debate on the principal Act. The question is that clause 3 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e66329e431ea47019b41524c6ef2954a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022357d1af5ab8f44f39c204dc4f0d3e3e2\u0022\u003ECelia Wade-Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. I said \u201Cno\u201D and then \u201Cparty vote\u201D immediately. I\u2019m sorry, I didn\u2019t hear you call the vote. I would like to make a request to record our vote against that part, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb41e0ad64824cc5bd923d7253ba2f39\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re seeking leave for that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e66329e431ea47019b41524c6ef2954a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227f4d2f8a728243e1a90be97d1a9aaf42\u0022\u003ECelia Wade-Brown\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224748f2aa44ad40978ddce772744ec3bd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Does there seems to be any objection? There does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002280e520a8a8f648b6b0a5756e4d3d4fcc\u0022\u003EClause 3  Principal Act\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002215ef6add0bb7498f98d67516957c77e9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ll move on to clause 3. This is the debate on the principal Act. The question is that clause 3 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022 data-id=\u00227d00dca2b2544b13ada8ad43a97214ef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227d00dca2b2544b13ada8ad43a97214ef\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON (Labour\u2014Christchurch East):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. It\u2019s a privilege to take a further call and, as we step into clause 3, to be able to fully examine the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 words that comprise that clause. That\u2019s part of the issue with that clause. The entire repeal that we\u2019re dealing with here has 73 new words. But also what it does is it repeals an Act from 1989, which is only 36 years ago\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022012ef1a3dfcb4e4ab5752cdf6c2c2550\u0022\u003ETom Rutherford\u003C/span\u003E: Doesn\u2019t repeal it; it amends it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ca4ce2f10d6496aacc117ffd1579314\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014you\u2019re welcome take a call, sir\u2014before the member who corrected me was probably even born. But that just gives you an idea of how old the bill is and how much has changed since. So I think it\u2019s worth looking at the fact that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4d22798f47c41ab9c92a10b2c61e09a\u0022\u003ETom Rutherford\u003C/span\u003E: Things that are old still have value. Look at Grant.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227d19573a8ba4d8283b17374978c8ea2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229c9e89e8c3d4b3ca557df891a45a5f0\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: Hey!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225f7dd9620eea409e996cda980b407409\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a rare occasion when one of the jibes from the other side is actually funny. It\u2019s worth looking at some of the other tools that are in the toolbox here, because what we\u2019re dealing with is an Act that is very old. I think, as we look at how we word the amendment, we really ought to look at some of those other ideas that are in the mix there and that are opportunities for the Minister to take the immediate action promised for the industry to actually help with some of the very real and very immediate challenges they face.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EOne of those is the Fair Digital News Bargaining Bill, which is a great piece of legislation that was sitting there ready to go and was, for a time, worked on by the Minister and by a select committee, but, unfortunately, progress has slowed significantly or, potentially, entirely on the important work happening there, which means that we are relying on this Act\u2014the Broadcasting Act 1989\u2014which is the Act referred to in this third part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EThe other ideas that are available for the Minister at any time\u2014and he\u2019s got my number; he\u2019s welcome to call me and talk about how we can move these at pace into law for the protection and enhancement of local media\u2014one of those is a member\u2019s bill, which is a levy for streamers. So what that would actually do is ensure that our international streaming platforms, who provide some amazing content and draw a lot of eyeballs locally and gather a lot of revenue locally, are compelled to pay a small percentage of their profits of their income back into the New Zealand market so that that can be invested in local content\u2014the kind of local content that would be governed by the Broadcasting (Repeal of Advertising Restrictions) Amendment Bill. So I think that would be a very simple step that the Minister could take. I\u2019ve already drafted the bill for him. All he needs to do is have a chat and we can make that happen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EThe other one which I have in the biscuit tin at the moment is the Online Safety Bill. That one\u2019s a really good bill, because we know so many people are getting their media content from online platforms now. What this bill does is it makes sure that those online spaces are safe for everybody. We know we have a number of vulnerable communities and that, ultimately, we\u2019re all vulnerable in those online spaces and platforms. That bill would make sure that those spaces are much safer for everybody.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EThose are some of the tools sitting there in the toolbox or in the biscuit tin or at the end of the phone that, should the Minister want to at any stage take the immediate action he\u2019s promised\u2014that immediate action could be as simple as a cup of tea, and we could get those agreed to and in the House here. We could all continue to work as constructively together as we have today on moving the solutions forward, the sharing of ideas, and the sharing of amendments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ENow, the amendment that I wanted to share here is on clause 3, \u201CPrincipal Act\u201D, which says: \u201CThis Act amends the Broadcasting Act 1989.\u201D The flaw here is that there is then a full stop, and I think that that should really go on to say \u201Cby\u201D and then explain exactly what it is intending to do in that clause. I think there\u2019s a real missed opportunity here, and perhaps the Minister was trying to really work within an under-100 word limit for the repeal, but he does have 17 spare words to play with. You could fit that in. Is there any reason the Minister has chosen not to do that at this point of the bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022 data-id=\u0022a36bd99553a94133869084c1ceb48bc8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a36bd99553a94133869084c1ceb48bc8\u0022\u003ESTEVE ABEL (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate the chance to take a call on this. We\u2019re talking about the principal Act, which amends the Broadcasting Act 1989. The form of that amendment, of course, is the repeal of section 81, which we will discuss at length in the next section.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003EFor us to understand the consequence of the amendment, it\u2019s important to understand the purpose for there being an amendment. The purpose of that amendment is, of course, to take away those restrictions that exist on advertising on Christmas Day, Good Friday, Easter Sunday, and Anzac morning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003EBefore the debate was, I think, somewhat hurriedly shut down on the title, I was going to suggest\u2014because there has been some humour expressed around religious holidays, around the Minister for Building and Construction himself referring to \u201Crising again\u201D. A comment that was made in the first debate on this bill was: \u201CIs there nothing sacred? Are there no days and no hours in our days when it is not appropriate for us to have no advertising?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227d19573a8ba4d8283b17374978c8ea2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8058713d4554a0fa64834964ac6d3c9\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: Your birthday?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002262f1ae29e6c74ecfa1f93c502ab2ff3e\u0022\u003ESTEVE ABEL\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. I would be happy to not have advertising on my birthday, Mr McCallum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003EWe may make light of the significance of these religious days\u2014those members who are not Christian, for example. But in the case of Good Friday and Easter Sunday, these are among the holiest days for people of the Christian faith. These are days when the absence of commercial intrusion is something that we should think it is appropriate to preserve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003EChristmas Day: a day when many of us should be spending time with our families, not being sold more commercial rubbish that we\u2019ve already spent most of the last three or four weeks acquiring, as we are imposed upon to do by our cultural expectations, and Anzac Day\u2014Anzac Day\u2014that day when we commemorate those people who died in some pretty bloody, miserable wars. This, specifically, would lift the restriction between 6.00 a.m. and midday on Anzac Day. The start of that is when many people would be at dawn ceremonies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003ESo my suggestion for the bill\u2014and I realise we\u2019ve passed that debate, but it gives some sense of the Green Party view on this bill\u2014is that it should be called the \u201CBroadcasting (Nothing is Sacred) Amendment Bill\u201D or \u201CAdvertising Everywhere Amendment Bill\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003EWe propose that this principal Act that amends the Broadcasting Act 1989 should be deleted by way of making the determination that there should be no amendment to the Broadcasting Act 1989, because the bit that\u2019s going to be amended is section 81, which is appropriate and fitting. It keeps in place a restriction on advertising on those very few remaining days in which we are not intruded upon by commercial enterprises trying to sell us stuff, most of which we don\u2019t need. Thank you, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u0022c2cd3dffd85b49b0bd67c0106cbf84aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c2cd3dffd85b49b0bd67c0106cbf84aa\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you very much, Madam Chair. Just responding to the questions posed by the last two members, I\u2019m sympathetic to the point that Mr Abel makes, in general terms, about whether we preserve something as sacred. I suppose, as legislators for all of New Zealand, we do need to consider if there are anomalies such that we\u2019re recognising some days as being specially significant such that advertising is restricted and not others. You know, we\u2019ve canvassed briefly the fact that there are days of significance that are beyond those recorded in this, and I\u2019m pleased that the member rightly mentions Anzac Day has been one of the important days to many New Zealanders\u2014I hope all New Zealanders, in fact.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EBut, of course, it\u2019s the case that unless we were to regard as sacred, from the point of view of restricting advertising, every single day that is important to some New Zealander or other, we will simply not have any advertising at all. It might be that the member would be pleased to have that\u2014I wouldn\u2019t be displeased myself, speaking personally\u2014but I think it\u2019s not realistic to expect our media to operate under those restrictions, including in the context of the point that I made earlier, which is that there are other places that advertising is able to continue other than these traditional broadcast media, in which there aren\u2019t restrictions. So it\u2019s a matter of fairness and consistency across the board. I would certainly, you know, endorse Mr Abel\u2019s comment that we have more useful ways of spending such special days than watching advertising, but my personal views on that don\u2019t come into the matter in terms of a matter of public policy, for the reasons I\u2019ve said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EAs for Mr Reuben Davidson\u2019s point, he\u2019s outlined a number of policy proposals that he\u2019s keen for the Minister to consider. I\u2019m sure that the Minister of Broadcasting will give those the attention they deserve, but I don\u2019t think, within the scope of this bill, it would be possible to adopt them, so I\u2019m sure that he\u2019s not proposing that it actually be the case.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EIn terms of whether there\u2019s a missed opportunity in the brevity of clause 3, it\u2019s always the case that the principal Act clause simply states that this Act amends the name of parent legislation, so to speak. So I don\u2019t intend to entertain, on behalf of Government, or entertain at all really, any changes to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022 data-id=\u002236dfc6852b394ddb9850e48085a5624e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002236dfc6852b394ddb9850e48085a5624e\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, for an opportunity to take a call on clause 3. It\u2019s helpful that the Minister has, in this debate, recognised, I guess, the principles at play here, and though Labour is supporting this, we have a number of questions around those days which are important to New Zealanders. They are also important to our history and traditions that are recognised in law, in a dwindling number of our laws, and this is one of them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EThese are my questions about clause 3. Is it not important for the Minister to recognise that in this clause, we are calling the bill \u201CAdvertising Restrictions\u201D and then we\u2019re saying in clause 3 that what\u2019s being amended is the Broadcasting Act, with no explanation there, and then in the next clause, it\u2019s simply a repeal. Does it not look to your average reader or user of the legislation that what is being repealed here is advertising restrictions when, in fact, what is being repealed is the advertising restrictions on Sundays, Anzac Day, Easter, and Christmas because those days are no longer days that this House considers to be important enough to have specific restrictions at those times? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EThere is something a little bit misleading about the simple word \u201Camends\u201D there\u2014maybe it\u2019s not misleading; maybe a faithful characterisation of that would be a very bald way of stating here what is a pretty charged-up debate, really, about the principles and values that are at play in a change like this. I\u2019m not taking either side of that debate; I\u2019m simply saying that this is a very different context to what it was in 1993, when many in this House would have demanded a conscience vote on this issue. I understand there is one party in this House taking a conscience issue for exactly this reason, and so it is useful for us to at least traverse in the committee stage what the values are and why we think they are no longer part of a lengthy and fraught debate in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003ETo clause 3, and I have a number of amendments that the Minister might consider. Though it is unusual for this clause to include an explanation about further changing the word \u201Camends\u201D\u2014because, if the bill was to say something like it \u201Cremoves\u201D restrictions on advertising during Sundays, Anzac Day, and Christmas, instead of the word \u201Camends\u201D, that would be clear about what was being changed in the Broadcasting Act. When we think about the various restrictions about advertising in that Act, there are many; most are given effect to by secondary legislation or by codes. There are the Advertising Standards Authority codes, for example, which lay out a number of grounds about the kind of advertising and when it is restricted and to whom, and those are important considerations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EAt the primary legislation level, there were, for a long time, prohibited grounds to advertise on a Sunday morning, when people would presumably be at church or observing their faith in their homes, and now there are none. So let\u2019s just be clear what we\u2019re saying here. Now there aren\u2019t restrictions about whether you can, say, advertise alcohol; you can advertise gambling; you can advertise to children; or you can advertise debt products to vulnerable, and so only the normal restrictions at secondary legislation apply. We\u2019ve gone from a situation where we thought that any advertising on a Sunday morning was not fine to a situation where all of that advertising on a Sunday morning is fine.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EIt would be very useful if we said that quite clearly in clause 3 with an amendment like \u201Camend clause 3 by deleting the word \u2018amends\u2019 and replacing it with \u2018dismantles longstanding limits on Christian holiday advertising in\u2019\u00A0\u201D or \u201Camend clause 3 by deleting the word \u2018amends\u2019 and replacing it with \u2018opens the door to commercial breaks on sacred days in\u2019\u00A0\u201D. Those amendments are not frivolous amendments; they are amendments which say clearly what this legislation is doing, and the Labour Party is supporting it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EWe are supporting that because we have made a judgment call about what the values at play here are and what the principles are, but we are clear about that. It\u2019s not fair to draft legislation which takes away the recognition of important days to a number of people and to what are, frankly, days that are semi-constitutional in nature that everyone understands and that are a framework of New Zealand\u2019s legal system because they are well-understood phrases in our law\u2014that they would be taken away with absolutely no mention in the primary amendment bill is what is in fact happening here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u0022930fef8163a94c938d1585ed19bf9bef\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022930fef8163a94c938d1585ed19bf9bef\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. It\u2019s not appropriate for that type of provision to go into the explanations the member is seeking. If she wants a statement on the general policy, there is a general policy statement. If she wants a note as to explanation, there\u2019s an explanatory note. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EI take her point about thrashing out the issues and the underlying philosophical points. I note that she and I could just about reach out and touch the Gallipoli wreath here, so in relation to Anzac Day, for example, New Zealanders have choices as to whether they sit down and watch linear broadcast television that morning, or they might, for example, attend Anzac Day services. It\u2019s not the same thing as to say that there is no significance to these dates and, therefore, that\u2019s the reason we\u2019re removing it. It\u2019s a matter of fairness, it\u2019s a matter of consistency, and it\u2019s a matter of updating our legislation for all the reasons that have been discussed today but also in the select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022 data-id=\u0022cde2dbdc60e941d88c2049290feeb616\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cde2dbdc60e941d88c2049290feeb616\u0022\u003ETOM RUTHERFORD (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u00222fcfb8d8f416493197502181a5737607\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222fcfb8d8f416493197502181a5737607\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We are almost there\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1479cd89f924cd08d7d20d667d06e21\u0022\u003ECushla Tangaere-Manuel\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225aeee721ad2d45a9809c82e1dbe0198f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order\u2014Cushla Tangaere-Manuel.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022 data-id=\u00229710e1f452ac4ce0bcd45e1b1f2f3c54\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229710e1f452ac4ce0bcd45e1b1f2f3c54\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E Reo M\u0101ori. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. He maha ng\u0101 t\u0101ima kua t\u016B au ki te whai w\u0101hi ki te k\u014Drero. Kei te m\u014Dhio m\u0101tou katoa ko t\u0113tahi \u0101huatanga motuhake o te ao p\u0101p\u0101ho o roto o Aotearoa nei ko te reo M\u0101ori me ng\u0101 tikanga M\u0101ori. K\u0101ore an\u014D t\u0113tahi o roto o te Whare nei e whai w\u0101hi ki te tuku p\u0101tai ki te Minita e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 whakaaro M\u0101ori. N\u0101 reira, ko taku p\u0101tai atu ki a koe, kia whai w\u0101hi awau ki te tuku p\u0101tai ki te Minita?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E[I will speak M\u0101ori. Greetings, Madam Speaker. I\u2019ve stood many times to speak. We all know that one distinctive aspect of the media sphere here in New Zealand is the M\u0101ori language and customs. No one in the House has yet had the opportunity to question the Minister about M\u0101ori perspectives. Therefore, my question to you is: can I question the Minister?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6d0b6166c11444c8475a350934e3d7e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll have to ask you to say that again because the earpieces aren\u2019t working, sorry.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f0a54bf5bc64fddb53e7d50713a85a2\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019m just raising the fact that several times I\u2019ve stood to seek a call, because we all know that part of the uniqueness of broadcasting in New Zealand is the M\u0101ori language\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247a06fc68a4c4c7f82bb2e816687d1d1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, the point of order is?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa9c1fe65d2f42f3b1d6d344131fe8c4\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL\u003C/span\u003E: The point of order is that no one who\u2019s spoken yet has had the opportunity to seek a call specifically regarding considerations of the M\u0101ori language and M\u0101ori world view with regard to this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u002267fff59dcdf54a20b5cfb6818047d016\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002267fff59dcdf54a20b5cfb6818047d016\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: So seek a call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022 data-id=\u0022302a9ad9340244e6adda7f9dee41850f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022302a9ad9340244e6adda7f9dee41850f\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 rawa atu koe, e te Heamana. Ka k\u014Drero M\u0101ori au. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou. T\u0113nei hoki te mihi atu ki a koe, e te Minita, e k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u014D aranga ake an\u014D, n\u0101 te mea t\u0113r\u0101 pea \u0101 t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Dwhiringa p\u014Dti k\u0101re t\u014D p\u0101ti e ara an\u014D. Heoi an\u014D r\u0101, kua k\u014Drero m\u0101tou m\u014D te tau i puta mai t\u0113nei pire, ar\u0101, 1989. Ko au t\u0113tahi i ora i aua tau, n\u0101 reira kei te maumahara tonu awau i te w\u0101 k\u0101re \u0113nei mea, \u0113nei rawa i hangaia, m\u0113n\u0101 i p\u012Brangi koe ki te m\u0101takitaki pouaka whakaata me noho t\u014D whero i mua i te pouaka kia m\u0101takitaki koe i t\u0101u e hiahia ai. \u0100, ko ng\u0101 p\u0101nui hokohoko t\u0113tahi \u0101huatanga o taua w\u0101. Heoi an\u014D r\u0101, ko taku waimarie hoki ki te mahi i roto i te ao p\u0101p\u0101ho. I mahi au i runga i te h\u014Dtaka e k\u012Bia nei a Marae, n\u0101 reira kei te tino m\u014Dhio au ki te w\u0101riu o ng\u0101 h\u014Dtaka M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D r\u0101, e te Minita hoki, i a koutou e rapangia i ng\u0101 whakaaro kia t\u012Bnihia t\u0113nei kaupapa, ar\u0101, te pire e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 p\u0101nui hokohoko i roto o te ao p\u0101p\u0101ho, i p\u0113hea koutou, i k\u014Drero tahi koutou me ng\u0101 hunga p\u0101p\u0101ho M\u0101ori? Koir\u0101 taku p\u0101tai tuatahi, i k\u014Drero tahi koutou me ng\u0101 hunga p\u0101p\u0101ho M\u0101ori? \u0100, ki tua atu i t\u0113r\u0101, kua rongo m\u0101tou i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero e p\u0101 ana ki ng\u0101 rangi tapu. Ko au an\u014D t\u0113r\u0101, i tipu ake au i roto i te H\u0101hi Mihingare, n\u0101 reira kei te m\u0101rama pai au ki ng\u0101 \u0101wangawanga a te hunga e haere ana ki te h\u0101hi. N\u0101 reira, ko t\u0113tahi atu p\u0101tai kua k\u014Drero tahi te Minita, te komiti whakahaere r\u0101nei, ki ng\u0101 h\u0101hi? Kua k\u014Drero, i whai w\u0101hi ng\u0101 h\u0101hi ki te k\u014Drero tahi ki te Minita, ki te k\u014Dmiti k\u014Dwhiria r\u0101nei? P\u0113r\u0101 i te H\u0101hi Mihingare, p\u0113n\u0101 i te H\u0101hi Katorika, ng\u0101 h\u0101hi katoa?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E[Greetings, Madam Chair. I will speak M\u0101ori. Greetings to all. I also acknowledge you, Minister. You speak about your re-election, because perhaps your party will not be re-elected in the next election. However, we have spoken about the year this bill was introduced\u2014that is, 1989. I was around at that time, so I still remember the time when these things weren\u2019t made; if you wanted to watch television you had to sit in front of the TV to watch what you wanted. Advertisements were also a feature of that time. And I was fortunate to work in the media sphere; I worked on the programme called Marae, so I am very aware about the value of M\u0101ori programming.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003EHowever, Minister, as you were seeking opinions to change this issue\u2014that is, the bill relating to advertising in the media\u2014did you talk to M\u0101ori broadcasters? That is my first question. In addition to that, we\u2019ve heard the discussion about holy days. I also grew up in the Anglican Church, so I am well aware of the concerns of churchgoers. So another question is: has the Minister or the select committee spoken with the churches? Did the churches have the opportunity to speak to the Minister or the select committee, such as the Anglican Church, the Catholic Church\u2014all religions?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225459b3c0726d42c1b6d3cc94ec303baa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022897a5d03e5204cea94f26d7ee5ec5057\u0022\u003EHon James Meager\u003C/span\u003E: Talking to churches has nothing to do with the principal Act\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f28e497194e547eb86d1e0851dbd479b\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL\u003C/span\u003E: E k\u012B, e k\u012B, kei te k\u012B mai t\u0113r\u0101 taha o te wh\u0101nau k\u0101re te h\u0101hi e whai w\u0101hi ki t\u0113nei kaupapa. Ka p\u0101p\u0101ho \u0113nei p\u0101nui hokohoko, t\u0113r\u0101 pea ka p\u0101nui r\u0101tou i ng\u0101 p\u0101nui hokohoko m\u014D te waipiro i runga i ng\u0101 rangi tapu. Koir\u0101 te take e whai w\u0101hi t\u0113nei kaupapa ki ng\u0101 h\u0101hi. Kia tika r\u0101 koe! Heoi an\u014D r\u0101, ka haere tonu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E[Is that right? The other side of the family is saying that religion has no place in this issue. These advertisements are broadcast\u2014perhaps they will broadcast advertisements for alcohol on the Sabbath days. That is the reason this is important to the churches\u2014you\u2019re having me on! However, I will proceed.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225459b3c0726d42c1b6d3cc94ec303baa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cb2135564a94d4891cdc7f745525179\u0022\u003EHon James Meager\u003C/span\u003E: He aha te reo M\u0101ori for clause 3? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225459b3c0726d42c1b6d3cc94ec303baa\u0022\u003E[What is the M\u0101ori language for clause 3?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002218ab92d032fc4a36ac7f50fe8c0b5e68\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL\u003C/span\u003E: He aha? He aha? K\u0101re he k\u014Drero o te Minita i t\u0113nei w\u0101. Turituri t\u014D waha, e hoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E[What\u2019s that? What\u2019s that? The Minister has nothing to say at this time. Be quiet, my friend.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D r\u0101, ka haere tonu ki t\u0113tahi atu rangi whakahirahira rawa atu, ehara m\u014D te hunga M\u0101ori anake, m\u014D Aotearoa wh\u0101nui, ar\u0101 te rangi whakamaumahara i \u014D m\u0101tou h\u014Dia. I t\u0113nei r\u0101 i roto o Tikitiki k\u012B ana te whare i te tangata. Ka hoki mai ng\u0101 whanaunga ki te w\u0101 k\u0101inga ki te maumahara i a r\u0101tou kua wehe atu. R\u0101tou i haere ki te whawhai m\u014D m\u0101tou katoa o roto o t\u0113nei whare, otir\u0101 m\u014D Aotearoa wh\u0101nui. Waimarie m\u0101tou e tae ana \u0101-tinana r\u0101, engari ko \u0113tahi kua korouatia, kua kuiatia. Ko t\u0101 r\u0101tou he noho ki te k\u0101inga m\u0101takitaki ai. K\u0101ore r\u0101tou e p\u012Brangi ki te m\u0101taki i ng\u0101 p\u0101nui hokohoko. Kei te p\u012Brangi r\u0101tou ki te m\u0101takitaki i te karakia e haere ana me ng\u0101 k\u014Drero o r\u0101tou kua wehe atu. Heoi an\u014D r\u0101, ko te p\u0101tai, i k\u014Drero koutou ki te hunga e k\u012Bia nei ko te RSA\u2014Returned Services Association\u2014i k\u014Drero r\u0101nei koutou ki ng\u0101 h\u014Dia? Ng\u0101 h\u014Dia e ora tonu ana, ng\u0101 h\u014Dia e whawhai tonu ana m\u014D m\u0101tou katoa? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, ahakoa te whakah\u012Bh\u012B o \u0113tahi o t\u0113r\u0101 whare, k\u0101re r\u0101tou e p\u012Brangi ki te whakarongo i ng\u0101 \u0101wangawanga a te hunga M\u0101ori, i ng\u0101 \u0101wangawanga a ng\u0101 h\u0101hi, me te \u0101wangawanga o ng\u0101 h\u014Dia me ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau e manaaki nei i ng\u0101 h\u014Dia. Koir\u0101 aku p\u0101tai. T\u0113nei te mihi atu ki te Minita i whakarongo mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E[So much for that; I will continue on to another very important day, not just for M\u0101ori but for all of New Zealand, and that is the day that we remember our soldiers. On this day in Tikitiki, the houses are full of people. Relatives return home to remember those who have passed, those who went to fight for us all in this House, and indeed for all of New Zealand. Some of us are lucky enough to be able to be there in person; however, some of the elderly are not able. They watch from home. They don\u2019t want to watch advertisements. They want to watch the prayers and stories about those who have passed. And so, the question is: did you talk to the RSA\u2014Returned Services Association\u2014or to the soldiers, soldiers that are still living and soldiers who are still fighting for us?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003ESo despite the contempt of some of the House, they don\u2019t want to listen to the concerns of M\u0101ori, the concerns of the churches, the concerns of the soldiers and families who take care of the soldiers. Those are my questions. I acknowledge the Minister for listening.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecdb2602dfd84217a8bb185907d1d661\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecdb2602dfd84217a8bb185907d1d661\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Before I take this next call, can I just say the details in the member\u2019s contribution were probably best dealt with in clause 4; however, given the difficulties we were having, I let the member continue. Did the Minister want to address that question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u0022f61f6fad6a48465e8b48e520e77246d3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f61f6fad6a48465e8b48e520e77246d3\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Yeah, Madam Chair\u2014thank you. Just to address briefly the points helpfully raised by the member, starting with the final one: the Minister for Broadcasting interacted with a wide range of stakeholders, and I can answer the question on my own behalf, wearing a different hat, so to speak, as Minister for Veterans. I was and remain interested in the views of ex - service personnel in terms of the restrictions being lifted from Anzac Day. However, there\u2019s a diversity of views among the veteran population\u2014I see my colleague and friend Dr Vanessa Weenink nodding, and she\u2019s one herself, of course. It\u2019s impossible to characterise the general view, except to say that the issues that we\u2019ve been canvassing as a committee, now for some time, in terms of the modern technological advances and so on, are broadly distributed within that veteran community as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EAs for those within the M\u0101ori world and also various Christian denominations, there was a thorough select committee process at which various views were canvassed. I understand from the report that there was consultation with Whakaata M\u0101ori, Te M\u0101ngai P\u0101ho, and Te Puni K\u014Dkiri, among others, who pointed out a number of different things but didn\u2019t indicate that there was any inconsistency with the Treaty of Waitangi\u2014or Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Also, the point was highlighted that M\u0101ori audiences, overall, represent a younger demographic than other viewers, and, increasingly, there\u2019s an age dimension in the direction of younger New Zealanders accessing content online, in a non-linear broadcast sense, where, of course, advertising is more relevant and where the restrictions have hitherto applied.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022 data-id=\u002284302812ea9843c48875e27e1370e044\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002284302812ea9843c48875e27e1370e044\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH (Senior Whip\u2014National):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e167feb9f66b402783b26ad819e3890a\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022c4bc5b2c2ae34163b8c583d05661c305\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c4bc5b2c2ae34163b8c583d05661c305\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Arena Williams\u2019 25 tabled amendments to clause 3 are ruled out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00229e489d0e9a464b78927a7861a44f97ec\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause 3 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 102\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 11; New\u00A0Zealand\u00A0First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 20\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 3 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225f409e467d6b451e91ad050a4532a4e9\u0022\u003EClause 4  Section 81 repealed (Advertising hours)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u00227665fe266c0b407ab45f62d521d67cf1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227665fe266c0b407ab45f62d521d67cf1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We now come to our final debate. This is the debate on clause 4 and the repeal of \u201CSection 81 (Advertising hours)\u201D. The question is that clause 4 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022 data-id=\u0022133aad738fc54046883e53f93927e459\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022133aad738fc54046883e53f93927e459\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON (Labour\u2014Christchurch East):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you. I can\u2019t believe how quickly this debate has gone. It\u2019s been lightning speed this afternoon, moving through it. Hopefully, we have some time at this crucial point of clause 4 to really focus on some of the questions still remaining at this point of the process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EI am hoping for a number of calls on this clause because I do have a large number of questions. Many of them are on the basis of things that the Minister for Building and Construction has said or answers that the Minister has given or points that he\u2019s referenced throughout his very generous answers, for which we\u2019re very grateful as we\u2019ve stepped through some of the meatier issues across clause 1, clause 2, and clause 3 of the bill as we\u2019ve gone through it this afternoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EThis clause really deals with the repeal of section 81 of the Broadcasting Act 1989. The point I\u2019m wanting to dig into a little here is subsection (3), which talks about every person committing an offence being liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $100,000. That\u2019s for someone who contravenes either subsection (1) or subsection (2). \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EJust to look at what those are, because I know with the number of days and potential opportunities we\u2019ve discussed very robustly across the afternoon, it would be worth clarifying what is actually in the Act to ensure that the Minister can answer this as accurately as they are able. In subsection (1), it speaks to no broadcaster broadcasting advertising programmes on television during the hours between 6 a.m. and noon on a Sunday or on Anzac Day; then it goes on to say on Christmas Day or Good Friday or Easter Sunday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ENow, subsection 2\u2014and bearing in mind this is the part that we are repealing\u2014is: \u201CSubject to subsection (4), no broadcaster shall broadcast advertising programmes on \u2026 radio\u201D\u2014the distinction there between television and radio is very important\u2014\u201Con (a) Christmas Day; or (b) Good Friday; or (c) Easter Sunday.\u201D So to come back to the potential offence and the potential conviction, there is a fine not exceeding $100,000 for anyone who contravenes either of those sections.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ESo when you are repealing this part of the Broadcasting Act, the question here really is: are we at a risk here of losing a source of revenue for Government, because all money that comes into Government can be spent on other things? We might argue about what it gets spent on and how, but we probably don\u2019t argue about the fact that that revenue comes in and can be quite useful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ESo the question here is: does the Minister have a sense, since 1989, of the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225459b3c0726d42c1b6d3cc94ec303baa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222110ed5ab3984129b3f1803ca9efa7fc\u0022\u003EHon James Meager\u003C/span\u003E: Do you know what happens? It gets absorbed in the cost of administering the system at significant and net detriments to the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231bc97903e934969a662b33df6ef0a5f\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014take a call if you like, sir\u2014total revenue that\u2019s been gathered through those penalties? Or even if that stretch of time\u201436 years\u2014is too long to quantify, even in the last three years, six years, nine years? I don\u2019t know why we\u2019re counting in threes but across, potentially, the last three electoral terms, can the Minister clarify the level of revenue that has come in, and, therefore, if this part of the Act is repealed and that revenue can no longer be gathered? Can the Minister clarify the revenue that won\u2019t be coming in as a result of the repeal of this part of the Broadcasting Act? I think it would be irresponsible of any Government, and any Government Minister, not to have a sense of the amount of money that will not be raised and that would not go into central government to be invested and spent wisely in other areas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EOne of the questions there, particularly, is because we know that our broadcasting and media sector is really in need of support at the moment. So there is the potential for revenue from people who breach regulations to then be reinvested by way of potentially some sort of hypothecated fund structure back into the very sector that needs our support at the moment, but other than this very small amendment to the Broadcasting Act, the sector has seen nothing from the promised immediate action.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ESo, really, an answer from the Minister about what potential revenue central government is being denied by the potential repeal of section 81 of the Broadcasting Act would be great to have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u00220b33e7fd4cfd4bbead8700d71e0d39df\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220b33e7fd4cfd4bbead8700d71e0d39df\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I thank the member for his question. I think any foregone revenue in the form of penalties that won\u2019t be able to be applied would be outweighed by the taxable activity being the payment for the advertising.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022 data-id=\u002245ad455dc5d34e21b36728446a8d769f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002245ad455dc5d34e21b36728446a8d769f\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. We\u2019ve come to the pointy end of this debate about what is the effect of the repeal and whether there are any amendments that the Minister might accept for this part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EAs I\u2019ve said, we\u2019re going from a situation where there was no advertising allowed on Christmas, Easter, Anzac Day, and Sunday mornings, and there will now be unrestricted advertising at those times. What\u2019s unusual about that is that those are still important days, as the Minister has said, but for linear media to now have no restrictions at those times is something that some people would consider unusual. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EThe first question I want to ask the Minister is: is it the case that after this repeal is through, it will be acceptable, and does the Minister think it is acceptable, to advertise gambling, alcohol, and tobacco products on a Sunday morning?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed114cb8921d47a4890b1612c014d419\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed114cb8921d47a4890b1612c014d419\u0022\u003EREUBEN DAVIDSON (Labour\u2014Christchurch East):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you for the opportunity to take a further call on this part. I signalled that I would have several further questions for the Minister as we get to this final part of the bill, which I\u2019ve inconveniently tucked down here, but there it is again, thank goodness for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EOne of the questions I had here, and we did speak through this at some length at an earlier point, but it was about the days that are affected by this repeal of section 81, and that was Christmas and Easter. One of the things that was interesting is that in that detailing, the bill doesn\u2019t include Waitangi Day and it doesn\u2019t include Matariki. So there are two other public holidays that the bill could have considered that would have been repealed. I guess the question there for the Minister is: would consideration have been given to retaining those two uniquely\u2014and potentially Anzac Day is a uniquely New Zealand public holiday, as well. Would there have been further consideration given to keeping those public holidays there\u2014so only amending the religious holidays, but leaving the specifically New Zealand holidays?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EOne of the other questions I\u2019ve wondered about, when I\u2019ve looked at the structure of this bill and what it does and what it allows, is whether we are leaders or followers. I ask that in the context of the fact that a lot of the time, the justification for the passing of this bill and for the existence of this bill is that there are two standards. There is a standard for online advertisers and online content that sits on digital platforms that can advertise almost whatever they want, whenever they want, on any day of the year for New Zealand audiences to see, and so this bill is about ensuring that linear broadcasters, both on television and radio, are able to enjoy the same rights and ability to share content in advertising as the digital platforms. But the question is: if the digital platforms hadn\u2019t chosen to advertise on those days, hadn\u2019t chosen to observe those holidays, would we have seen the need to follow? Are we chasing a space and an environment and a platform and an audience and eyeballs on days of the year that we would rather leave advertising and commercial free? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ESimilarly, what this Act never prohibited was the sponsorship of content. An event such as Coca-Cola Christmas in the Park could still be broadcast on Christmas Day and could still contain commercial content. So it was nibbling away at the edges and, potentially, has been nibbling away at the edges, and whilst we\u2019re happy to see that kind of sponsored content sitting in broadcasting and media, I don\u2019t think any of us would be comfortable with seeing that kind of sponsorship and underwrite and financing coming into this House and into the kind of policy and ideas that we bring forward and that we constructively work on together to turn into legislation and law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003ENow, the other point that I wanted to raise\u2014and I hope if I can\u2019t fit it into this call that I may be afforded a further call on this final clause of the bill to be able to explore this more fully\u2014is there are a number of businesses and there are a number of enterprises and trades and services that we would not expect, and often, by law, are not able to access or enjoy on specific public holidays. So by now granting those businesses, those enterprises the right to advertise on those public holidays, there are two questions here. One is: does this signal a liberalisation of things like liquor licensing? Does this signal a liberalisation of trading hours for a number of businesses across religious and observed holidays? If it doesn\u2019t, does this bill, or the repeal, make it a possibility that those businesses will, in fact, be false advertising, or be guilty of false advertising, because they\u2019ll be offering a good or a service on a day that they\u2019re not open and that they\u2019re not trading and that they\u2019re not, by law in New Zealand, able to provide? It\u2019s whether or not the Minister has considered that in this 73-word repeal bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e641dc4bf8aa41b0bd8a29676c8ba9a6\u0022\u003EBut I would like to finish this contribution by acknowledging that we have had some fun today in some of our contributions. But at the heart of this bill is the immediate need to serve those people who continue to lose their jobs by the hundreds in our broadcasting media industry in New Zealand, and this Government has delivered only a 73-word bill in almost two years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022d92a09db28c44070bbfdcc9f0e6f3cca\u0022 data-id=\u002286a94c66602242c2914e7a8e99777103\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d92a09db28c44070bbfdcc9f0e6f3cca\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286a94c66602242c2914e7a8e99777103\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019m pleased take a call on this part of this bill that we are discussing here today in the Chamber. There are two things I want to speak to. I\u2019ll start with the first one. Looking at the advertising revenue, which is the basis of this piece of legislation, and enabling a greater flow of that into our broadcasters, it\u2019s important to note that radio, which has 2.7\u00A0million listeners every week tuning in with their pairs of ears, has a strong, stable audience. They\u2019re doing pretty well in the media landscape in comparison to other media. They already advertise on a Sunday morning, but it\u2019s television advertising that will be freed up here on the Sunday morning as well as on Anzac morning, and both TV and radio broadcasting advertising on Christmas Day, Good Friday, and Easter Sunday. There is some advertising from radio on a couple of those days already.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d92a09db28c44070bbfdcc9f0e6f3cca\u0022\u003EI\u2019m really interested to know about how much advertising is expected to be generated by freeing up these days. It would be great if the Minister could explain the advertising revenue expectations and how those assumptions were made. Is there any guarantee, in fact, that there\u2019s any new money that will be generated into the industry because their advertising revenues have been diminished for multiple reasons? Will those that are advertising actually increase their budgets to the expected amount that this piece of legislation will enable and the numbers that have been forecast for it? Or will they simply cut the pie so that they stretch their advertising budgets over extra days and, in fact, actually not provide any further assistance financially for our various broadcasters that relate to this particular bill? Has the Minister considered any other levers to enable broadcasters to find other ways of generating new revenue? That\u2019s the first theme\u2014with a couple of questions in there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022d92a09db28c44070bbfdcc9f0e6f3cca\u0022\u003EAlso, as I didn\u2019t get the opportunity, in earlier debates, to talk about the importance of these sacred days, I do want to just traverse that briefly. Now, when the Broadcasting Act 1989 was drawn, we were a different society then. We generally went to church. We had those religious days put aside for that religious observance. It was meaningful to us. While not so many people might be attending a regular structured service any more, it doesn\u2019t mean to say we\u2019re not still religious and we\u2019re not deeply spiritual. About half of the submitters on this bill opposed it as they came through the select committee process. I particularly note the likes of National Pacific Radio Trust. They felt that there was great disrespect not just towards our fallen soldiers but also towards Christianity as well. Perhaps the Minister in the chair could elucidate for us whether there were any other considerations that the Government made\u2014like the Sweden model, where they do not allow any advertising around religious programming. Now, we know, on a Sunday morning, Praise Be is a religious programme. Was there any consideration that maybe that programme would not have any advertising around it to protect the observance of that spiritual consideration and importance for many people? Those are the questions I have. I look forward to hearing from you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u00229b6ea888d8f040c3b41dee5f399e98a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229b6ea888d8f040c3b41dee5f399e98a1\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I think the phrase \u201Cpraise be\u201D is most likely to come up when we finish this committee stage. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EIn terms of the questions asked by Ms Jenny Marcroft, and I acknowledge her expertise and experience in this space: it\u2019s impossible to know exactly how much will be generated. The figure of $6 million per year is considered a conservative estimate, but, of course, we\u2019ll see that in due course. As to other sources of Government funding, I suppose New Zealand First conferences could be live streamed\u2014that could be entertaining, to watch those reruns appear. In terms of other sources or policy proposals, I suppose we\u2019ll have to tune in to anything else the member may have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EIn terms of the questions asked prior to that, first by Mr Reuben Davidson\u2014he\u2019s described Anzac Day as a uniquely New Zealand holiday. I think Australia might want a word, but, of course, he\u2019s right to acknowledge that it is a particularly New Zealand holiday, maybe. In any case, the question of partial repeal, I understand, was considered, but it would be difficult to enforce. Even so, we then end up with that same difficulty about the inconsistencies between broadcast, linear products as compared with the online environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EAs for online advertisements, if they hadn\u2019t been engaging commercially on these particular days, would we still be in a position of seeking to repeal the restrictions on TV and radio? It\u2019s impossible to know\u2014it\u2019s a hypothetical question\u2014but I don\u2019t know if we can resolve the question of whether we would have followed or led, as the member has framed it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EAs for whether this legislation heralds some general liberalisation in relation to, for example, alcohol law, I think it\u2019s worth just seeing the legislation on its own terms and on its own face value. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EAs for whether there would be a question of false advertising if an ad were to flash up or to be heard saying that if you were to enter some premises that you could get a certain product or service on that day, I think the standard regime for advertising standards\u2014with the authority having jurisdiction over any false or misleading or otherwise objectionable content\u2014remains in place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EI think this does lead us, then, to the question posed by Arena Williams as well: whether it\u2019s acceptable to advertise certain goods or services on these days that some people might take offence to. Taking the question of acceptability as a legal one, as opposed to a moral one, on which we can all form our own view, it seems to me that, again, there are existing regimes in terms of what might be regarded as offensive or appropriate material. If there\u2019s additional sensitivity that consumers and viewers\u2014consumers of commercial services, as well as consumers of the media content\u2014might regard as being unhelpful or unwarranted on those particularly significant days, then that might be a question of judgment for the broadcaster and/or the advertiser.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022 data-id=\u0022a1cecb8f79a647b0b09ad2e865c04578\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a1cecb8f79a647b0b09ad2e865c04578\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 rawa atu koe, e te Heamana. Ka k\u014Drero M\u0101ori an\u014D au. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, e te Minita. T\u0113n\u0101 koe, e whakahoki ana i \u014D m\u0101tou p\u0101tai i t\u0113nei ahiahi, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D koe i \u014D k\u014Drero katakata i t\u0113nei ahiahi. He p\u0101tai an\u014D \u0101ku e p\u0101 ana ki te ao p\u0101p\u0101ho M\u0101ori. E m\u014Dhio ana m\u0101tou i te w\u0101 i mahi au i te p\u0101p\u0101ho a Aotearoa, ar\u0101, TVNZ, i t\u016B t\u0113tahi w\u0101hanga e k\u012Bia nei ko Te Reo T\u0101taki. I raro i te K\u0101wanatanga a N\u0101hinara i whakakorengia Te Reo T\u0101taki. \u0100, i tonoa ki waho ng\u0101 h\u014Dtaka. N\u0101 reira kei te \u0101hua m\u0101harahara \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 umanga hanga h\u014Dtaka, ar\u0101, production companies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003EHe pai te whakaaro o t\u0113nei pire, kia whai p\u016Btea ng\u0101 kamupene nui, engari kei te haere te p\u016Btea ki ng\u0101 kamupene nui, ehara ki ng\u0101 kamupene hanga h\u014Dtaka. N\u0101 reira, me p\u0113hea kei a koe he oranga m\u014D r\u0101tou? Ki tua atu, i nukuhia ng\u0101 h\u014Dtaka M\u0101ori ki ng\u0101 ata o te R\u0101tapu i raro i te whakaaro ehara taua w\u0101hi o te maramataka p\u0101p\u0101ho, ar\u0101, schedule, ehara taua w\u0101hi o te rangi i te w\u0101hi whai p\u016Btea\u2014non-commercial. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003EN\u0101 reira, m\u0113n\u0101 ka whai p\u016Btea ng\u0101 umanga nui i t\u0113nei r\u0101, ka p\u0113hea ng\u0101 h\u014Dtaka M\u0101ori? He pai ki a au te whakaaro a te mema o Aotearoa Tuatahi, ar\u0101 a Jenny Marcroft. Kei te whakaaro koe ka r\u0101huitia \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 h\u014Dtaka p\u0113r\u0101 i a Praise Be, p\u0113r\u0101 i a Marae, \u0113r\u0101 atu kaupapa, aha r\u0101 nei. Ki te kore, me p\u0113hea koe e \u0101rai, e manaaki nei i ng\u0101 h\u014Dtaka M\u0101ori? T\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D koe, e te Minita, i whakahoki mai, i whakautu i \u014D m\u0101tou p\u0101tai. He mihi hoki t\u0113nei ki te hunga whakap\u0101keh\u0101 i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kia tarea te rere o t\u014D t\u0101tou reo rangatira i roto i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003E[Greetings, Madam Chair. I will speak M\u0101ori again. Greetings, Minister. I acknowledge you for responding to our questions this afternoon, and I also thank you for your humour this afternoon. I have some more questions relating to M\u0101ori media. We understand that at the time I was working for TVNZ, a branch was set up called Te Reo T\u0101taki. Under the National Government, Te Reo T\u0101taki was abolished. Programmes were outsourced, so some production companies are concerned. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003EThis bill has good intentions\u2014that big companies will get a lot of funding\u2014but the funding is going to big companies, not production companies. So do you have a solution for them? Aside from that, M\u0101ori programmes were shifted to Sunday mornings based on the view that that part of the broadcasting schedule, that part of the day, is non-commercial. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220fe7508c7b8a47378c4c88fe1ce69fcb\u0022\u003ESo if large businesses are getting funding today, what happens to M\u0101ori programmes? I concur with the view of the NZ First member, Jenny Marcroft; you are of the view that some of the programmes like Praise Be and Marae and those types of programmes be restricted. If not, how will you block and look after M\u0101ori programmes? Thank you again, Minister, for responding and answering our questions. I also acknowledge those translating the speeches and enabling our M\u0101ori language to resound within our House. Thank you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002248ce26e54d83406399b875df20400dec\u0022 data-id=\u0022adc063c3582e472b8774f3699595c320\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248ce26e54d83406399b875df20400dec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022adc063c3582e472b8774f3699595c320\u0022\u003EANDY FOSTER (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Look, I have one area of questioning. For many New Zealanders, Good Friday, Easter Sunday, Christmas, and Anzac Day are deeply significant days. They will separate off the Sundays, which I think we\u2019ll probably live with. Those four days are really, really significant days for New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002248ce26e54d83406399b875df20400dec\u0022\u003EThere is another bill which is being considered by a select committee at the moment, and that is the Online Casino Gambling Bill. Now, the online gambling bill includes the involving of advertising. My question to you, Minister, is: has there been any consideration to how having advertising for online gambling is going to go down in many New Zealand households, if they are faced with that on those deeply significant, spiritual days of Anzac Day, Christmas, Good Friday, and Easter? I suggest to you it probably will not be very well. I would like your comment on that and whether that has actually been thought about at all in the compilation of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u0022f2f5766dc18949daad6d44d81fe0ef0e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f2f5766dc18949daad6d44d81fe0ef0e\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. The proposed legislation that the member references is not legislation. I don\u2019t think it\u2019s appropriate for me to comment on what the ultimate shape of that might be as it relates to this. The comments that I\u2019ve been making in the committee previously have acknowledged the special significance of various days, and I would encourage, as far as is appropriate for a Government member to do so, advertisers and broadcasters to think carefully about content that might be viewed as appropriate by their respective audiences.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EIn relation to the thoughtful questions posed by Cushla Tangaere-Manuel\u2014thank you for sharing your experience with us\u2014in terms of the flow of revenue internally or as between content creators and the platforms themselves, I think that\u2019s an internal matter for those media companies. I would only comment that in terms of this bill, by lifting the restrictions, it will enable for more revenue to be generated and, therefore, a larger pie that can then be sliced and distributed as they see fit and as legally required, as the case may be.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecc678df03464c52aa533e677ca40fee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecc678df03464c52aa533e677ca40fee\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to pick up on something that one of the previous speakers\u2014Reuben Davidson\u2014mentioned in terms of the idea that this bill is intending to address a double standard between linear platforms and online platforms. I\u2019m particularly looking at, in the department report, paragraph 48, around the fact that you do get these online and on-demand services that do allow advertising. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003EHowever, my question to the Minister is\u2014first of all, first question: is the Minister aware that YouTube, for example, as an online platform, doesn\u2019t allow advertisements on these days, therefore you get YouTube\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e45d754c83b4f639c35d62f0a0b3111\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not true.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e56ff74e17e4499986fbba13f62dbb3\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Anyone who watches YouTube on Christmas Day will know that YouTube doesn\u2019t have advertisements on Christmas Day. If the idea is to provide a certain consistency between online platforms and linear platforms, that already exists in the current environment? The first question is: is the Minister aware that YouTube doesn\u2019t have advertisements on certain days, similar to linear platforms?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003EThe follow-up question is: if, indeed, it is to provide consistency and now we are allowing it, is it also the situation that we are now then allowing online platforms that traditionally didn\u2019t have advertisements on those days to now have advertisements on those days? Has the Minister, or, in this case, potentially, the Department of Internal Affairs or any other areas, consulted or had conversations with those online platforms such as YouTube, as well, on that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003EFor those on the other side of the House who are saying that is not true, please provide a counterargument. [Interruption] I mean, I\u2019m saying that this is my experience\u2014that, on Christmas Day, there are no advertisements on YouTube. Tell me how you have seen advertisements on\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022beb0443c64d64cac880046a75698819a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The member doesn\u2019t need to answer to those people; just ask questions to the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259a1a30e240b4e88843d9d8abc974d9c\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Anyway, those are my questions to the Minister. Thank you, Madam Chair. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u00222c29cf40089c4ac08cabc48b4c277cdc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c29cf40089c4ac08cabc48b4c277cdc\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I thank the member Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan for his questions. My understanding is that some YouTube users choose not to monetise their content on certain days, including\u2014that must be the experience the member\u2019s had, so I respect that and understand that. I certainly respect and understand that that\u2019s a choice that those content creators and uploaders may wish to take. To be clear, we\u2019re not mandating or requiring that people should advertise on those days, and that goes for the linear broadcasters, too, for that matter. But it will be a matter of choice for all the reasons that we\u2019ve been discussing this afternoon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002288978fb9592a4911a8e47eae04d164f3\u0022 data-id=\u00225cafe5f6d74c43d38db198331c06d0e8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002288978fb9592a4911a8e47eae04d164f3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225cafe5f6d74c43d38db198331c06d0e8\u0022\u003EDr VANESSA WEENINK (National\u2014Banks Peninsula):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022ffc6420545934f45aabee4fcbf28d207\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ffc6420545934f45aabee4fcbf28d207\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to get really tight now because it\u2019s a very narrow, small bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022 data-id=\u002259bd0defb8f844a6900eb4400873c440\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002259bd0defb8f844a6900eb4400873c440\u0022\u003EARENA WILLIAMS (Labour\u2014Manurewa):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. On this clause\u2014clause 4\u2014which repeals section 81, I have asked the Minister in the chair, and he has provided, helpfully, some background on what he says legal goods and services are, when he was referring to alcohol, tobacco products, and gambling, and he gave us some advice that he wouldn\u2019t expect that to be at all prohibited on Sunday mornings. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EBut I want to pose to him\u2014really cutting to the chase of this, because I hear you, Madam Chair; I won\u2019t take him through all of the things that might be sensible middle grounds for this repeal, because the Minister did say that there was some consideration of whether this needed to be a full repeal from zero advertising with fines to then no restriction on what could be advertised or to who or in what way on those dates, because, obviously, there\u2019s a big range of options in the middle there. You could have restricted who might be advertised to, like children. You could have restricted the hours of advertising and carved out specific times. You could have also changed the nature of what could be advertised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EBut what I want to ask through you, Madam Chair, to the Minister is: would it not be appropriate, then\u2014if the primary legislation is not the place to do it\u2014to be a bit more explicit about what the Advertising Standards Authority needs to do for those days? He has said that it\u2019s a moral judgment\u2014that is, the business of the Advertising Standards Authority. But they don\u2019t have specific powers around these days because they have never needed them, because there hasn\u2019t been the need for the Advertising Standards Authority before to think about, say, advertising to veterans or about veterans on Anzac Day. They haven\u2019t had to consider advertising to Christian families and the followers of the church on Easter. They haven\u2019t had to think about whether it is appropriate to buy an advertising slot where you\u2019re not selling something but it is, in its nature, something like an advertorial on a Sunday morning for a church, or for another sort of organisation, like the Destiny Church, to buy time in linear media on a Sunday morning. There are no restrictions on that, even though there is well-established case law on what might be considered something of an advertorial, something of editorial content about how you might flag that up as something you have bought and not something that a broadcaster has deemed to be the right type of content for that slot and something that most New Zealanders would want to see in that slot. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EThere hasn\u2019t been established case law, for instance, on Christmas morning, about showing movies which depict Christ in any way\u2014negatively or positively\u2014because that has not been something that people have been able to buy before. But are there people who want to buy that content slot? Yes, there are people who want to show content in those times, on specific days, which are contrary to the views of most New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EWe have very well-developed case law, for instance, on what is acceptable speech on Anzac Day and what is acceptable to do at an Anzac Day celebration, remembrance day, or parade. There are things which we say are not acceptable, like students presenting wreaths and then turning their backs to protest war. That\u2019s not acceptable because we say those things are protected and those things are things that we as all New Zealanders should treat as remembrance and honourable times. Is it now acceptable to book an ad slot and run an ad, which is not, in fact, trying to advertise any given product, but because you have paid for it, you can make your political views expressed about what Anzac Day should be and what war should be?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223de6e6d6d57d40b483b9b558769ce301\u0022\u003EWe need to be clear that if the Minister\u2019s not willing to entertain any other sorts of changes to this primary legislation\u2014his Government colleagues in the New Zealand First Party have put to him very sensible suggestions\u2014then will he not at least accept one of my amendments\u2014there are only two\u2014that would make it clear that the Advertising Standards Authority needs some extra powers here to consider those specific days and what might be appropriate. A third option would be, I think, the option that he has said, which is that broadcasters need to satisfy themselves what is appropriate. If that is his policy, then the legislation should say that, and I would suggest to him that an appropriate amendment to the body of clause 4 would be insertion, before the full stop, of \u201Cand replace it with new clause 81E\u201D, which reads: \u201Cbroadcasters shall only air advertising programmes on television during the hours between 6 a.m. and noon on Sunday, Anzac Day, and Christmas that are deemed appropriate by them for those days.\u201D That would at least create some sort of reasonable obligation that most New Zealanders would expect, and he himself has alluded to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0c6e5a4684f4139b1ef90ae81f1bf7b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0c6e5a4684f4139b1ef90ae81f1bf7b\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister for Building and Construction):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Just really briefly, if I can respond to those important points, the Advertising Standards Authority will continue to have a mandate to uphold standards of decency and social responsibility, and to consider questions of offensiveness. I think that they would do that in the context of all the circumstances, including\u2014as they currently do\u2014the time of day but also the particular day of the year and its special significance. I think these are serious matters, but I also think that we must be able to trust our institutions to be able to make reasonable judgment calls in the fullness of the context in which they occur. For that reason, we think it\u2019s best not to be too prescriptive or to try to over-engineer the solution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003EThat might seem tempting, devoid of context, to particular members of the House with particular perspectives, bearing in mind the broad range of views of New Zealanders on various different matters, and in the case of Anzac Day, it seems to me that the legal precedent is actually strongly in favour of freedom of expression, under section 14 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act. There was the Morse case, which the member Arena Williams may have studied at law school\u2014as did I\u2014where burning the flag on Anzac Day was not legally prohibited precisely because we value that freedom of expression, notwithstanding the fact that that might be and, in fact, it deliberately was, designed to calculate the offence and the outrage of some. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003ESo I think, taking into account that broader context, we\u2019ve landed in the right place, which is to be enabling. But it is also to say\u2014not as a matter of law, but of encouragement\u2014that people will make appropriate choices and will be judged accordingly. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022 data-id=\u00229edd77fb4c5e4a81a147805cd70c0aba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229edd77fb4c5e4a81a147805cd70c0aba\u0022\u003ETOM RUTHERFORD (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00228420e3ddd19c4925946d2b4be6801662\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb6391dc037f4c739754d5e6b34013ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb6391dc037f4c739754d5e6b34013ee\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: All of Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendments to the title of clause 4 are ruled out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003EThe question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81A, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022dc935a3c214f45268abce72509a3b320\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u00226ab192fefb2a45478eb58c7b0dfd6e06\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226ab192fefb2a45478eb58c7b0dfd6e06\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81B, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222b41c2f1ca1846a886ee35ad952cd234\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u00228495285dbe2647d5999440aaed2a67e9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228495285dbe2647d5999440aaed2a67e9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81C, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022264ae16be27d43cc935e054a9c043ccf\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022e61ee4f4a67742b68371dbf313d23c61\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e61ee4f4a67742b68371dbf313d23c61\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002236d460e9cb7b44bea6b5519a60177db6\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u00228a15457a22d041228da91db04878b85d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228a15457a22d041228da91db04878b85d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81E, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022fc4a5492159b4b1f8bb73a513ee6715e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022d44d0fa712954286a55274f8d2153068\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d44d0fa712954286a55274f8d2153068\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81F, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002287480d121e7049318026337c9f4f5eb2\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u002254162ee960a3434da26ee5f5186188b7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002254162ee960a3434da26ee5f5186188b7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81G, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224775eb0b3ebc4dae9e65b9a2d55db699\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u002251084f4edc8c4838bdb61f54ba99dec8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002251084f4edc8c4838bdb61f54ba99dec8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81H, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00221c7058678c9c468187d34afc4b59b6c3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022c3a3780eacad447193f3c2bf8ae0974a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c3a3780eacad447193f3c2bf8ae0974a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81I to prohibit the broadcasting of offensive programmes on certain days, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224f0dbc952ac04cfe9457e6ff513bd5a9\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u00222f69fe708e9d4158b7a140201b0ab02a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222f69fe708e9d4158b7a140201b0ab02a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81I to prohibit misleading programmes on certain days, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022acda6ada942f49868a2399f1473c26fb\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022550c62c83e5240be87265f98841a9208\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022550c62c83e5240be87265f98841a9208\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81J to prohibit advertising targeting children on certain days, be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002245916d9b7967457781ed98d153b854bf\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u002297174fb9738a44fba00779e0c9bd31b8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002297174fb9738a44fba00779e0c9bd31b8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81J to prohibit advertising targeting vulnerable people on certain days, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a4500835c54f4c07b658a49ffcca6b25\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u002299a2467039784b93837a2c9bfddd06ae\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002299a2467039784b93837a2c9bfddd06ae\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81J to prohibit advertising of financial products on certain days, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223d4bb801cb30401db9b856e301015729\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u00223f428151c89747ec93eb3a70c5f349ba\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223f428151c89747ec93eb3a70c5f349ba\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81K is ruled out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003EThe question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81L, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226b2704400c8c49be8d77a689d5e2847e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022d19e8c59a04f4a13a0b922784ddaa434\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d19e8c59a04f4a13a0b922784ddaa434\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81M, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226298d81cf4ee40f2b4e1c05d629bcfcc\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u002205236877fda2412fac797b1ff1d371d7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205236877fda2412fac797b1ff1d371d7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81N, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a11675831ae448f7abe6d1b828478471\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022b6165bad4cc8461c96b5af140371d74e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b6165bad4cc8461c96b5af140371d74e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81P, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022165ea522fd6045a98438a9e125c00333\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u002282bb393a069f4b4796677e13d7541368\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002282bb393a069f4b4796677e13d7541368\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to clause 4, inserting new section 81Q, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a126cd90536c42cdbb06a214f2b4624d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022b445d32fa5a2402b92526690cf85e808\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b445d32fa5a2402b92526690cf85e808\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Reuben Davidson\u2019s tabled amendment to replace clause 4 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002272cf9d7cc5ba4e9e885459c5c1bbd626\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 54\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022632c18443e1f4219a8d6346b6cfdc2fa\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause 4 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 94\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 11.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 28\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; New Zealand First 8; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 5.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 4 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000474\u0022\u003EBill to be reported without amendment.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000475\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u002239e0813f98ab4e0d92f64f601522067d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002239e0813f98ab4e0d92f64f601522067d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker, the committee has considered the Broadcasting (Repeal of Advertising Restrictions) Amendment Bill and reports it without amendment. I move, That the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222516f0df860a4fe0b49afe3cea9c16a2\u0022\u003EPrivacy Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224fee8930adb4467fa913fdbaa3b8e0f7\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000481\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 20 May.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u00227046a46c54424b0f8441c62f712e5991\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227046a46c54424b0f8441c62f712e5991\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, when we were last debating this bill, we were up to call number four, which was the ACT Party call. I call Todd Stephenson.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022443f23de4cbd464f91833e6c466c98c0\u0022 data-id=\u0022f028f212287e4025a6d8ddebab6a1ae1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022443f23de4cbd464f91833e6c466c98c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f028f212287e4025a6d8ddebab6a1ae1\u0022\u003ETODD STEPHENSON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, it was interrupted on 20 May, so it\u2019s been a wee while since we\u2019ve discussed this bill. But we are discussing the Privacy Amendment Bill. It\u2019s my happy pleasure to speak on behalf of ACT. This was a bill that was before my select committee. It is an important bill, updating some pieces of the Privacy Act; in particular, introducing a new privacy principle to ensure that individuals are properly informed when their personal information is being collected from third parties. It makes sure that public expectations around this information are clear, and we\u2019re operationalising some nice changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022443f23de4cbd464f91833e6c466c98c0\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t want to say too much on this bill, because I think it is pretty straightforward. But I, again, just do want to reiterate one of the important changes that the select committee did make was around ensuring that information, when it\u2019s being used for public good\u2014so galleries, libraries, archives, and museums\u2014wouldn\u2019t be inhibited by these new principles, and there was an exception added to the bill which was accepted. So I\u2019m really very happy to commend this bill to the House and get this new privacy principle in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f36277cb754947fa93977a31a33abd49\u0022 data-id=\u0022103a8bb24ad94612a0af489083728d55\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f36277cb754947fa93977a31a33abd49\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022103a8bb24ad94612a0af489083728d55\u0022\u003EHon CASEY COSTELLO (Associate Minister of Police):\u003C/span\u003E I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to speak on this, the third reading of the Privacy Amendment Bill. It is an important piece of legislation to exercise privacy rights. It is important to have knowledge about the collection of the information when it is not from the source\u2014that is, the individuals themselves. Putting these protections in place will be upholding the individual\u2019s rights to privacy. It is good that there will be a lead-in implementation time, to give that scope to make sure these things are corrected. But in this day and age, it is really critically important that individuals know and have control over the information that is held about them, and you cannot invoke that power if you\u2019re not clear about where this information is sourced from. So this is an important piece of legislation. New Zealand First commends the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022e9d32f727b354b3c8e24c5eb8e8f34b7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e9d32f727b354b3c8e24c5eb8e8f34b7\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The next call is a split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229ec6b21860ff42a8bfcfbf955e54750a\u0022 data-id=\u00223dc31c8876c146d68857376eb3ede28b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229ec6b21860ff42a8bfcfbf955e54750a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223dc31c8876c146d68857376eb3ede28b\u0022\u003ETAMATHA PAUL (Green\u2014Wellington Central):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise on behalf of Te P\u0101ti K\u0101k\u0101riki to give our support to this bill. It\u2019s always nice when there are bills that come through the House that most of us can support and work together on. The Privacy Amendment Bill was one of the first few bills that came through the Justice Committee at the beginning of this term and it was great to be contacted by different librarians and archivists who have a real interest in making sure that people\u2019s rights and privacy and information are both protected but also treated with sensitivity, and also that when information is within the public interest, it is able to be accessed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229ec6b21860ff42a8bfcfbf955e54750a\u0022\u003ESo we have a fairly short contribution to make, like the two speeches before me, to say that we support this bill and that we hope that this will ensure both private information is held sensitively and securely and that people who collect information, such as libraries, archives, and the like, and all of those groups that have been involved in developing this bill, are able to do their jobs. Thanks.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cf22a832d14a4c99ab5dfd16e24446e5\u0022 data-id=\u00221e38164b558043c18244f06afa4f9cea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf22a832d14a4c99ab5dfd16e24446e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e38164b558043c18244f06afa4f9cea\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to rise in this final reading for the Privacy Amendment Bill. What I\u2019d like to just comment on is that in this fast-changing digital world, it\u2019s great to progress a bill like this that further protects the personal information of all my neighbours in Takanini. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022 data-id=\u00228a1db61ca04c4978ba1c57ef7bc48599\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228a1db61ca04c4978ba1c57ef7bc48599\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora e te Mana Whakaw\u0101. I wouldn\u2019t be dismissive about this bill. It is an important bill, but some speakers in this debate have kind of skimmed over why. This bill is about the collection of information and the provision of it to third parties. I just want to identify what a huge trade that, in fact, is. If we think about it, there is a steady business in trading in personal information\u2014for example, marketing schemes. Your loyalty card that you use at the supermarket is gleaning information which, by using that card, you have agreed can be provided to third parties. So they know what kind of p\u00E2t\u00E9 you like with your wine on that side of the House or what kind of toast you like with your baked beans on this side of the House. That can be passed on for marketing information. That\u2019s just one example.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003EAnother example, of course, is credit reporting, where any time you go to a bank or another financial institution or get your Q Card or use Afterpay, you are also agreeing to that information being passed on to third parties for their use. I think we need to recognise that each of us will have, if you\u2019ve borrowed money at all\u2014and most of us will have\u2014essentially, a file held at various credit agencies. That information has been provided by third parties.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003EThen there\u2019s another one that\u2019s cropped up recently\u2014and I see the Minister of Police in the House\u2014and that is the use of digital images that are gained from, generally, security or surveillance cameras. They are private surveillance cameras\u2014they might be in public places or in supermarkets\u2014but they are cameras where the feed is sent to a central repository, raw, and that data can be filtered. So it will know, for example, what supermarket you were in and when, and what your car number plate is. That car number plate can be tracked. This is what the police have been using it for recently, so that if they know that a suspect was in a particular car, they go to this commercial provider and ask for the information that it has gleaned from its network of cameras, and you can track the car. So this use of third-party information is not without its risks and pitfalls. For everyone to stand up and go, \u201COh, it\u2019s a good bill. I want to go home. Thanks very much.\u201D, it isn\u2019t really good enough. It\u2019s not doing our job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003ESo what this bill actually does is adopt some frameworks and standards which are based on the European Union best practice; we have tended to lean towards the European Union for guidance in this area. It is also important that we do that because our trading relationships and so on rely on that. What this bill does, and the guts of the bill is set out in clause 4, amending section 22, is it provides that where an agency collects personal information about an individual, other than from the individual concerned\u2014so if I want to know what cornflakes you get and I don\u2019t ask you but I ask your supermarket, who has your permission to provide that information\u2014then the agency must \u201Ctake any steps that are, in the circumstances, reasonable to ensure that [the] individual concerned is aware\u201D that the information is being collected, the purpose for which it\u2019s being collected, and who the intended recipients are, so that when we enter into these arrangements, we actually know that our information can be provided to credit agencies and to marketing agencies.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003EOf course, when your information\u2014and I do think the surveillance cameras raise real issues, because I\u2019m not sure any of us consent to information about our movements being provided to third parties, including the police. So there is a real rights issue in there; not just of privacy rights but wider rights issues about search and seizure as well. So I do think we\u2019ve got to be vigilant around this. This is actually about vigilance, and this is why we had the museums and archives come to us and say, \u201CWell, hang on. We collect information about third parties all the time but in a very non-invidious way.\u201D It\u2019s not really about them; they\u2019re just on record as having been the collector or the author of particular documents. It\u2019s more for historical purposes. But I think there\u2019s going to be a lot of people out there who, once the Privacy Commissioner starts educating people around this, will get a bit of a fright, because they\u2019ll realise, \u201COh, I\u2019ve been collecting all this information\u201D. Essentially, they have been harvesting it, either for not-for-profit purposes or for profit, whether it be an NGO who\u2019s got a social purpose, but they\u2019ve still got to comply with this legislation, or someone who\u2019s getting information, using AI to curate it\u2014for the very best, targeted advertising, is the classic example\u2014and then passing it on or selling it off to someone who can best use it. They\u2019re going to have to buck up their ideas. I think they really will need to know about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003ESo that\u2019s why we\u2019re supporting the bill, because it\u2019s actually an important privacy protection. Actually, it\u2019s a bit of a gap in the legislation that\u2019s been there to date, where you could get this information from third parties. So, look, we do think it\u2019s good, but we don\u2019t think it\u2019s trivial. That\u2019s why we\u2019ve spent considerable time thinking about it and improving it through select committee and, of course, committee of the whole House. So we do commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022 data-id=\u00223e9852cbabff4d8e86d7a68f7bd294f5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cb40eb85aab340879622563050ab25fa\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e9852cbabff4d8e86d7a68f7bd294f5\u0022\u003ETOM RUTHERFORD (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0860220ad444d06a6cfd2fddd7a3083\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0860220ad444d06a6cfd2fddd7a3083\u0022\u003EGLEN BENNETT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E We take privacy very seriously on this side of the House, and therefore I want to lay out a few reflections and thoughts on this legislation, the Privacy Amendment Bill. Obviously, we\u2019re at the stage, in the third reading, where, I guess, this evening, depending on how things go, it has the potential of becoming law. My learned colleague the Hon Dr Duncan Webb has far more to say and has far more eloquently told you the importance of what this legislation does and why we need it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003EAs I was looking at the legislation, and as I was looking at some of the commentary and some of the information that prepared us for it, it did mention Transparency International and their critique of New Zealand and the New Zealand Government. Transparency International talked about New Zealand having some of the lowest perceived corruption, and ensuring that members of the public know when agencies have collected or held personal information and how it goes a long way to strengthening that trust, and that this bill is in line with high-quality privacy. Now, in this modern day and age, as the world moves and shifts and changes, there are so many places and spaces, as my colleague has said, where information is gathered. We need to make sure that we know, that I myself as a consumer and I myself as a citizen understand and know, what happens with information about myself\u2014where it goes; who has it\u2014to make sure that my privacy is protected but also that the privacy of my family is protected and the privacy of my community.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s why this legislation is here. As has been said, it\u2019s taken its time, it\u2019s come through the House, it\u2019s been through the Justice Committee, and it is here today to receive the approval of this Parliament. Currently, there is no requirement for an agency\u2014public or private\u2014to notify an individual when it collects personal information about the individual indirectly. As has been talked about, things like your EFTPOS cards, things like car registrations\u2014for example, how often do you park at a Wilson car park or other private car parks? In terms of the information you have to share on the machines but also the cameras and the CCTV that is around, that actually informs people of what is going on and what your movements are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003EI also think about us as parliamentarians and some of the challenges in some of the spaces that we occupy\u2014for example, our electorate and constituency offices\u2014and the fact that when we meet with constituents about issues that are important to them, sometimes those issues are sensitive. Sometimes those issues do involve law enforcement. Sometimes those issues do involve challenges that they\u2019re facing in front of the courts, etc. So it is for us to make sure that their privacy is protected, to make sure, if there are CCTV cameras outside offices, of what happens when they want to actually disclose, maybe, some serious offending or they want to speak to us about something that has happened in their community or someone of note that needs to see us. We need to make sure that privacy is upheld, that organisations like Transparency International can continue to look at New Zealand favourably and say it\u2019s not only the perception of what we\u2019re doing but it\u2019s also that the laws of this land are in place and are set to make sure that we do have decent privacy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d52c571cdb246f6abf50a39de1a66f7\u0022\u003ENow, individuals need to know who has collected their information in order to make corrections to information. Individuals need to know who has collected their information so that they are aware of what is going on in their world, what is going on in their wheelhouse, to make sure that they can protect themselves and their families, as I said. We on this side support this legislation. We think it is practical, it is important, and it is necessary. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022 data-id=\u00223a707aea29f74aa1ae8c0b610224db30\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223a707aea29f74aa1ae8c0b610224db30\u0022\u003ETIM COSTLEY (National\u2014\u014Ctaki):\u003C/span\u003E Normally, I\u2019d stand here and talk about how focused we are on making life more affordable and on delivering better opportunities to every family in this country\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273ead3475d05427491233c49a5939a98\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Except it doesn\u2019t fit in this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ab32b09663ea48b199aa59e4d88f77e4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022819a95aa1a384bf982ddc60b9684d09d\u0022\u003ETIM COSTLEY\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014but for this bill, I just want to say I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022 data-id=\u0022a288c845ce93451a85cb0a28b6138b3f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a288c845ce93451a85cb0a28b6138b3f\u0022\u003EVANUSHI WALTERS (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker, for an opportunity to stand and speak in favour of this bill. Much like my colleague the Hon Dr Duncan Webb, I\u2019m of the view that this is an issue that we ought to give the House\u2019s time to. It\u2019s actually an extremely important issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EWhen reviewing the bill\u2014I must admit, I wasn\u2019t on the Justice Committee when submissions were being considered\u2014I thought about how the concept of privacy has shifted over the last 30 years. When we had the 1993 Act in place, I would have been probably about 11 or 12\u2014do the backwards math. But it was in the days when most things were on paper, whether you were interacting with your medical practitioner or with your school. Certainly, in terms of interacting online, these were the days of turning up to school to have your five to 10 minutes playing Lemmings before school. It was a very, very different time in terms of how information was generated, a very different time in terms of how information was held, and a very different time in terms of how information was shared.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003ESo it\u2019s unsurprising that when we got to 2020, we absolutely did need a very substantial update of both how those rules of privacy would operate in a modern world and also the associated penalties, which is where we saw a lot of that reform in 2020. And we\u2019re supportive of this reform as well, because I think the massive change we\u2019re seeing is that sharing between third parties. It is no longer about being sure that you can access and correct information when you hand it over to an entity; you simply can\u2019t always be sure of where that information will end up. So it is absolutely the right time for us to be thinking about this important issue in terms of being notified.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EHowever, like Dr Duncan Webb, I would like to point to a few issues where I\u2019m of the view we need to very closely monitor whether the legislation is sufficient, because I do think this is an area where our notion of privacy will continue to shift and move, but also some of the specific exemptions in the current legislation are drafted quite broadly. I think that the House should bear in mind whether those are being used in the way that we intend them in the coming years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EThe first thing I wanted to raise was something that was raised by the Law Society. They raised the issue of the connection between knowledge and control. A privacy right should involve both the ability to know where your private information is but also to have it corrected or deleted if it\u2019s inaccurate. There is a bit of a gap in terms of this legislation coming through the pipeline. There are, of course, administrative and logistical issues in terms of why you wouldn\u2019t want to overwrite an ability to demand that something be deleted; however, I do think that it is a valid gap that was raised by the Law Society, and I would to urge the House to keep an eye on how this plays out and whether that gap creates issues.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EThe exceptions that are in there at the moment\u2014we have the exception of the individual who has already been notified through other processes. This one\u2019s fine; I think that\u2019s absolutely acceptable, and, of course, there shouldn\u2019t be a double obligation to notify an individual who, essentially, already knows.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EThe second one is interesting. This is new information privacy principle (IPP) 3A(4)(h), inserted by clause 4. It is where it\u2019s the entity that determines there\u2019s no prejudice to the individual. Now, that is extremely broad in terms of the judgment that we\u2019re handing over, for an entity to decide whether there is no prejudice to the individual.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EThe third one is where it\u2019s not reasonably practical to do so. Now, the rules are helpful, and they state that this goes beyond inconvenience or cost. The burden must be clearly disproportionate; however, there is still a subjective element there, and I do think this is another thing that, of course, we would expect the Privacy Commissioner to be monitoring, but the House must as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EThen there are additional exceptions which apply in a more limited context. The one that I will note is where notification would undermine the purpose of collection such as an internal investigation. Now, we need to think carefully about that, because these are circumstances where an individual is potentially under investigation by a third party whom they did not share their information with, and the exception here is applying to those circumstances. I think we need to be very cautious about how this might play out in terms of employment scenario and how it might play out in terms of law enforcement scenarios as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EThere are some useful protections within the legislation, having framed some of those broad provisions in terms of decision making. One of them is that the agency should maintain a documented basis for relying on their exceptions. So they can\u2019t rely on an exception and expect it to hold for the end of time; they have to continue to justify that exception. I think that that\u2019s correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EAnother concern I have is the direction that the commissioner should only be notified where there is a risk of serious harm. So we\u2019re coming into the territory of determination again. We\u2019re, essentially, creating a set of rules, which are great. We\u2019re adding additional protections to privacy. But we\u2019re creating huge discretion that we\u2019re placing in the hands of entities to determine when those circumstances happen. So you\u2019ve got the Privacy Commissioner there, and we\u2019re now saying, \u201Conly instances where the entity thinks there\u2019s serious harm.\u201D That\u2019s one layer of the problem.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EThe second layer of the problem, in terms of access to justice, is that when people make a complaint to the Privacy Commissioner, they don\u2019t have an automatic right to go to the director of the Office of Human Rights Proceedings\u2014the Privacy Commissioner will make a referral. From what I can see, the referrals from the Privacy Commissioner are fairly few and far between. You might have one or two cases progressing every year. Unless you can afford to take your own case through that channel, you\u2019re relying on getting through several more hurdles before you can actually have your case heard by the director\u2019s office and then brought before the tribunal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EYour next barrier is actually being heard by the Human Rights Review Tribunal. If you\u2019ve got a complaint\u2014\u201Cmy privacy has been breached\u201D, \u201Csomeone\u2019s breached the Act\u201D\u2014you go to the Privacy Commissioner; maybe one or two are referred to the director\u2019s office for pro bono representation, and you\u2019re then facing a one- to two-year delay, potentially, before your claim is heard. Now, my issue here is that in this year\u2019s Budget, that timeline is, potentially, much worse, and it\u2019s because we had six decision makers at the Human Rights Review Tribunal\u2014two chairs, four deputy chairs. In this year\u2019s Budget, those four deputies have been taken away\u2014their roles have not been renewed, new appointments have not been made. Essentially, we\u2019ve gone down from six decision makers to two decision makers. If you want to have your privacy issue heard, you may be waiting for several years to have that issue heard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003EMy point here is this: we commend the fact that the Government are looking at developing the right to privacy in accordance with what we\u2019re seeing happen in our world\u2014that we have departments and entities who are interacting with each other more. We\u2019re looking at an online world, and we\u2019re very much going to need to develop the right to respond to that as well. But the development of the right and legislation alone doesn\u2019t allow people access to justice, doesn\u2019t allow people to have that right upheld. If you change the right but you remove access to justice\u2014you take decision makers down from six decision makers to two decision makers\u2014you have a bottleneck in terms of accessing the right to privacy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226f607d4079164946af0eb589f5753d1b\u0022\u003ESo I just urge the Government to think through the full scope of access to justice when they\u2019re thinking about the development of a right, whether it be privacy or another right, and ensure that not only do we have adequate provisions for the right to privacy but that we\u2019re monitoring how it plays out, that we\u2019re monitoring the discretion that we\u2019re giving, that we\u2019re monitoring whether we should be developing that right in accordance with what we are seeing in terms of the EU, and that, fundamentally, we\u2019re funding our courts and that we have the appropriate number of decision makers to ensure that people truly have access to justice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b618b847a57b4afb94b76eaea9e042a5\u0022 data-id=\u00223feee281a4954fdd8862b7687b524c50\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b618b847a57b4afb94b76eaea9e042a5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223feee281a4954fdd8862b7687b524c50\u0022\u003EDr CARLOS CHEUNG (National\u2014Mt Roskill):\u003C/span\u003E For people in Mount Roskill, this bill is a critical step towards protecting our privacy and ensuring fairness for all New Zealanders. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257150ee0cd79430c9fed6d5f86a71445\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022e5c0b3acec734acc8a4214b0c91ba19c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e5c0b3acec734acc8a4214b0c91ba19c\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Kieran McAnulty won that race by\u2014I guess we can\u2019t call it \u201Cby a nose\u201D in this House, can we? But this is the race for the Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori call. I call the Hon Kieran McAnulty.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022 data-id=\u002206e65f69c430438486b09953005949a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002206e65f69c430438486b09953005949a3\u0022\u003EHon KIERAN McANULTY (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker, and I appreciate the reference; of course it is a horse racing reference and that is my background, so thank you for saying that. I certainly do not have the background of my esteemed colleagues. I guess, you know, it makes someone a little bit self-conscious when you\u2019re following a professor of law and a distinguished human rights lawyer in Glen Bennett, who contributed to this speech. But at least they contributed; it has been a pretty dismal display from the Government, really, to be honest. They\u2019ve certainly earned their pay cheque today, standing up and saying, \u201CI commend the bill to the House.\u201D, and then they sit down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003EBut this bill does deserve commentary, and before I do provide some comments on this, I want to acknowledge that, very shortly, a member of this House will be doing their valedictory speech, based on a decision that they\u2019ve made for their safety and the safety of their child. I think that situation should give us all pause for thought\u2014every single one of us in this House, and, indeed, every single member of this country. I think it is a significant moment in the history of this Parliament, and it is a very sad moment, frankly. I wish Benjamin and their wh\u0101nau all the very best after this moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003EThis bill, ideally, would be a situation where the public could see that both sides were cooperating. It is indeed an example of that. Many people, as my mate Duncan Webb pointed out, would be quite surprised that the provisions in this bill that the bill proposes aren\u2019t actually already in place. I would count myself as one of those, frankly: I would have thought that what\u2019s being proposed are pretty basic provisions, really\u2014that people should really know who is collecting that sort of information about them and what their rights are and what they are able to do about it. I do think it is lamentable, though, that we aren\u2019t actually giving the public of New Zealand the opportunity to understand the amount of work and the amount of collaboration that\u2019s gone into where we are in this bill. So often, the proceedings of this place and coverage of politics is portrayed to be adversarial, but, actually, more often than not\u2014well, certainly more often than people are made to realise\u2014there is collaboration in Parliament, and this is an example of it, because, of course, there isn\u2019t much in here that would warrant opposition to it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003EMy colleague Vanushi Walters pointed out some very sage points of concern, but it doesn\u2019t warrant strong opposition to what\u2019s being proposed. But it does send a warning that we need to be very careful about how we go about this. The fact is that not just with the digitalisation but, in large part, because of it, and all of the things that we have on our phones\u2014the various apps, the shopping cards, everything else, whether it\u2019s your Air New Zealand app or whatever; everything we use to go about our daily lives\u2014collects information. So often, when we just go about our daily business, information about us is being shared, and we don\u2019t know about it. That is actually quite extraordinary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003ESo it is only right that the bill proceeds and that New Zealanders are given the opportunity to understand who has what information, who is sharing it, and for what purpose, but, more importantly, the rights of the individual related to that, which they have if they want to look into it or do anything about it\u2014or indeed correct the information, because the information that\u2019s being shared might not be accurate, and that\u2019s a concern as well. But we\u2019ve all seen it\u2014various things: it might be social media, it might be all sorts of other things, we might start to get targeted mail; we might start to get targeted advertisements because they\u2019ve been monitoring what sort of garden tools you like that you\u2019ve been searching for, or whatever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll tell you what: the thing is that when there is an exemption, there needs to be a good reason, and I think, in general, what the bill proposes makes sense. But I do want to echo the concerns raised that, of course, when things of national security are at threat, there should be an exemption. But who decides that? According to this, it\u2019s the agency themselves, and if they are abusing that exemption against the intention of the law, how does an individual have the opportunity to know that, and how long will it take for them to find that information out? I think it\u2019s a valid question, and it\u2019s one that actually deserves ongoing oversight. Yes, this bill is good; yes, we support it; but there are still some questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d6090c07e47fb960e52f168ce01b3\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f12db5cd01d04b41b525b7dc826adb22\u0022\u003ECrimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223ea2a80f83854a73bc9982b4f54332f1\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000533\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 24 July.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc0942f5be5f4d7c9b5ffa22e84cfa90\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc0942f5be5f4d7c9b5ffa22e84cfa90\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Members, when we were last on this bill, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan had the call and has five minutes and 34 seconds remaining to speak.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u00220d6077854612488792d83ce4bee70240\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220d6077854612488792d83ce4bee70240\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Speaker, thank you so much. I will be interested to see if my speech gets cut off again this time, because it was cut off halfway last time for a special debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246c5aad5cb1b43d5b9eb19645a33a412\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, you\u2019re OK this time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f9b3586c2b8947e4885acaafda856196\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: I am OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d57d3b2eb654fb1b7381044b46b7a70\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228c432e3db0c4de9895a0e8d3cf39e51\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Great. Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just to pick up where we left off last time, in terms of the Crimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill, there are a couple of things I want to address. Now, noting that we are in the second reading and there is an opportunity for us to ask the Minister additional questions during the committee stage, but at this stage, in the second reading, based on our understanding in the select committee stage, the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand will not be supporting this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003ENow, the reasons for that are numerous, and they are because of the fact the bill is complex. Firstly, we saw during the select committee stage that this bill, in terms of the new offences that are going to be created, overlaps with a number of existing offences within the Crimes Act. But I think, more importantly, there are some fundamental concerns that the Green Party has in terms of this bill\u2019s interaction with the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act (NZBORA).\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003EThere are a couple of points I want to address specifically. One of the first ones is around, let\u2019s say, section 19 of NZBORA in terms of its connection with the Human Rights Act, and specifically section 21 of the Human Rights Act, against discrimination. There is a concern that this bill will inadvertently\u2014even though it\u2019s not necessarily in the content of the bill, but inadvertently\u2014target certain communities more stringently than others.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003EThe other point that I mentioned in the first half of my contribution is that we are seeing a change in the demographics of Aotearoa New Zealand, and, with that, we\u2019re seeing complexities in terms of the interactions within our own communities. With that, we are seeing the potential challenges when it comes to the freedom of association, particularly when we\u2019re looking at things like protest and activism of all forms, which is within the people\u2019s right to do here in Aotearoa. Even though any form of intimidation or violence as a part of that, and potentially coming about as a result of certain protest and activation\u2014that may result in that intimidation of violence, but they are already considered as a criminal offence under the Crimes Act. So, again, the idea is that this bill doesn\u2019t necessarily serve the kind of purpose that the bill is intending to serve that isn\u2019t already captured in the existing legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003EThere is also concern in terms of how the bill is going to be brought about, and then how they are going to be assessed. One of the things that specifically is a challenge within the bill is around the idea of omission. So we are looking at, for example, clause 8, new section 69A inserted. Omission is a really tricky thing when we\u2019re looking at criminal offences because it shifts the burden of proof from the prosecutor to the defendant. I think, particularly in a stage where, if we are going to be having something like this, I don\u2019t know if\u2014at least at the select committee stage, we weren\u2019t able to find out how the defendants, who are now responsible for that burden of proof, are going to be fully exercising their right in order to defend themselves, particularly when we\u2019re still seeing cultural barriers and language barriers within our court system. So that is another one of the major concerns we have, and we\u2019re happy to engage with the Minister during the committee stage to tease some of that out further.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003EFinally, there is a general trend that we\u2019re seeing, and a concern, that, again, certain communities in Aotearoa are going to be more stringently and critically targeted as a result of some of this bill, and particularly in light of some of the recent trends we\u2019re seeing in terms of our ties with, let\u2019s say, Five Eyes. That is something that is of deep concern for the Greens, and it\u2019s something that also changes the balance in terms of our interactions and our independent ability to have that independent foreign policy. What traditionally forms a backstage, data-collection role has now taken a very prominent centre stage in terms of our foreign affairs policy and also in terms of our ability to defend ourselves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003ESo the Green Party likes the intention of this bill\u2014that, yes, Aotearoa New Zealand does need to have mechanisms that prevents itself from being a target of foreign interference. But what we\u2019re seeing is that that foreign interference through\u2014the select committee stage hasn\u2019t been able to tease out, to capture, some of the concerns that we\u2019ve had. I think another really important concern, as a part of that, is what constitutes foreign interference. Because, frankly, in some of my portfolios, such as education, we\u2019re seeing a great deal of foreign interference from the US and UK in terms of the direction of our education policy. Would that be considered foreign interference under the current legislation? That is something that we simply don\u2019t know. So, at this stage, the Green Party cannot support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022443f23de4cbd464f91833e6c466c98c0\u0022 data-id=\u00222120eb04f2b24019b2fa933e91deae75\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022443f23de4cbd464f91833e6c466c98c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222120eb04f2b24019b2fa933e91deae75\u0022\u003ETODD STEPHENSON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. It gives me pleasure to rise on behalf of ACT and speak on the Crimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill. I was lucky to be on the Justice Committee, which, obviously, looked at this bill. It has been recommended unanimously that it be supported in this House, and that\u2019s what ACT will be doing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022443f23de4cbd464f91833e6c466c98c0\u0022\u003EForeign interference is a clear and present danger. In fact, just this week we heard of a foreign Government interfering with a potential activity at a Victorian university, and so this bill really is ensuring that we strengthen the protections. A lot of it is actually codifying some of the existing laws but making sure that they are much clearer. We do want to make sure that there is no foreign interference from foreign powers within New Zealand and make sure it\u2019s really clear that new offences are created around that. The bill creates some new offences to address some gaps in criminal liability and ensure that police and other enforcement agencies have the powers needed. I do recommend this bill to the House on behalf of ACT.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f36277cb754947fa93977a31a33abd49\u0022 data-id=\u0022918010660490420598a2530e34a43b73\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f36277cb754947fa93977a31a33abd49\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022918010660490420598a2530e34a43b73\u0022\u003EHon CASEY COSTELLO (Minister of Customs):\u003C/span\u003E I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to speak in favour of the Crimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill. As Minister of Customs, I have the privilege of being aware of the growing challenges that we have internationally and, as the Associate Minister of Immigration, a recognition of the challenges that we\u2019re facing across our international borders. The fact that this unrest does create an elevated level of risk from foreign interference is something we cannot ignore. It is important that we continue to evolve and respond and develop the powers and authorities and the abilities for us to keep New Zealand citizens safe; and the protection from foreign interference is exactly one more step in that direction. It is about the protection of our people; it is about the protection of New Zealanders. Having the legislation and the powers that give us the investigation rights gives us the ability to send a clear message that we are ensuring that our enforcement agencies have the powers they need, but also that we are sending a strong message. I therefore commend the bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022 data-id=\u0022c9e9a9f0faae4b3e8df4ba6667e7ddb9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c9e9a9f0faae4b3e8df4ba6667e7ddb9\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This debate is interrupted, and when I have swapped seats with Mr Speaker, we will continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003EDebate interrupted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223689a2a8f4314908b53d90e9e7208ba6\u0022\u003EValedictory Statements\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002238f4a6c7332040e88e1f0b9d6a0d01da\u0022\u003EValedictory Statements\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022 data-id=\u002255200032bbc942589da18b56b8f18c76\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002255200032bbc942589da18b56b8f18c76\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Members, in accordance with a determination of the Business Committee, we\u2019ll now have a valedictory statement from Benjamin Doyle. Following the valedictory statement, the House will adjourn until 2 p.m. on Tuesday, 7 October 2025.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd6faa426e9d48dcb6c9a7648f1a6247\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd6faa426e9d48dcb6c9a7648f1a6247\u0022\u003EBENJAMIN DOYLE (Green):\u003C/span\u003E I did not come here on my terms. I was summoned under difficult and unexpected circumstances, but I accepted that call. Today, however, I leave by choice, not because I want to but because I have chosen to put my child first. If our tamariki are the reason for being here, how could they not be our reason for leaving? Nothing is more important and precious than those we love most. For them, we must live and fight and, at times, choose to leave.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EThis place was not built for people like me, which is precisely the point. It was built on the basis of exclusion and control, on taking, hoarding, and guarding power. The colonisers\u2019 tools will never dismantle the colonisers\u2019 house. It\u2019s taken me 10 months to truly comprehend what that means, and while I do not accept that change is impossible from the inside, I have come to learn that it comes with a price of violence and hate towards my people. This is a price I am no longer willing to pay.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EI have felt firsthand the unbelievable impact that being here can have on a person and those they love. I have seen that play out in violent, toxic, and real-world ways. No person should have to remove their child from school due to threats to their life. No person should have to avoid going to the supermarket or the letterbox because they have been advised that doing so could expose them to violence. No person should have to tell their parents that they can\u2019t attend the next family event, to ensure their safety and privacy is not compromised; and despite that, I have stayed so true to myself and my community. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EI returned to Parliament when I was informed it would be unsafe to do so, because sometimes, love is hard and means making sacrifices. Sometimes it means putting the kaupapa first, putting the needs of our communities, the planet, the generations that are yet to arrive, first. I am willing to put my love for these things before my own needs and even my own safety, but no love is more compelling than that which we hold for our tamariki, and I cannot continue to put this work before the needs of my own child.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003ESo I leave this place knowing that the fight will continue, as it always has and always will. But that fight is also happening right now outside these walls, on the streets, on the land, on the sea, in our communities, in our hearts, and in our minds. Power does not reside here. It is not inherent in this place. We have only allowed that to be so. Power resides in the human spirit and in our relationships with one another, and with this precious earth, to which we owe everything. I rejoin that fight now and wish my comrades here my love and solidarity in the fight they continue in this place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EThis is a hostile and toxic place, especially if you\u2019re not a cis, straight white man with a blue suit and a briefcase, but most of all it is not fit for purpose. As a nation, we must reckon with this reality. A political system imposed upon this land and its people from a colonial empire that sought to name, claim, and maim is never going to honour Te Tiriti. It will never recognise the dignity of all life or seek justice for the poor and oppressed. It was built to serve a status quo that protects the powerful at the expense of the people\u2014at the cost of community. This system was built, and so it can be rebuilt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EThe revolution begins in our hearts and minds, but there it must not remain. It must rise up from the land, from the people, from love and vision, and hope for something infinitely better than what we are subjected to now\u2014if not for us, then for our children and those in every generation to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EAs long as bombs are dropping in Gaza, in Yemen, in Syria, and in Qatar; as long as the lungs of the earth are being burnt and felled; as long as our rivers and oceans are being pillaged, polluted, and desecrated; as long as the land is being ripped open and exploited for finite resources; as long as the dignity of life is being denigrated and discarded in servitude and civil war; as long as indigenous rights are being eroded, trans lives are being taken, disabled folks are being degraded, children\u2019s voices are being ignored, women\u2019s bodies are being controlled, and the rights of people in prison are being stripped, this is a place of no peace and no justice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003ENobody is free until everybody is free, and this House must recognise that fundamental truth. If it does not, it risks being left behind as community forges ahead in building its own future\u2014one we can be proud to pass on to our mokopuna.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EI concluded my maiden speech with a poem by Palestinian poet named Refaat Alareer, who was murdered by Israel during the genocide it continues to commit in Palestine. Today, I will conclude with a different poem, one by Tina Ngata titled \u201CRekindled\u201D:\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EThe truth, while spoken, never dies\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EIt is a flame that may rest as a smouldering ember\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EPerhaps for generations\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EYet through these lines it will rekindle\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EWe are the flame that never died at Hungahungatoroa, at Waerenga a Hika, at Ng\u0101tapa\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EAnd for as long as I breathe my story\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EI am not vanquished\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EI am at once the victor, and the fallen\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EStill here today, as walking, breathing, laughing, dancing, love-making, testifying proof against any notion of conquest\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003ESpeaking our truth, honouring those who slipped between the privileged pages of this story\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003ELoving new generations into 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id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EThe power of masculinity \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EIf flows through the land\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EAnd the sky \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4aef05833de4ff3be2d0850382f1300\u0022\u003EIt settles, let it settle \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20250918e3473c314b5a4345a757b9b4d86d4422000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan 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