"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225e6337e1d28b40b89c67a3586a6d0424\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 4 NOVEMBER 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022edaa5e99a5444fb7b930001ea223ff3e\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 4 NOVEMBER 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000002\u0022\u003EThe Deputy Speaker took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f4106f6affcd446dabc31b18610f94b1\u0022\u003EPrayers/Karakia\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228c13aa227ab644b78ccee2bcf19ac3ac\u0022\u003EPrayers/Karakia\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022d8d46e02f18d40e3a0513f4ee809125d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d8d46e02f18d40e3a0513f4ee809125d\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH (Assistant Speaker):\u003C/span\u003E Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King and pray for guidance in our deliberations, that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility for the peace and welfare of New Zealand. Amen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224a44adfb747245d49b5de0f322497584\u0022\u003EAmended Answers to Oral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b9a510baf0694b03987cf26006ee2739\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1 to Minister, 23 October\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022d52082b66fc8440280840df76fec638a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d52082b66fc8440280840df76fec638a\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Madam Speaker. I seek leave to make a personal explanation to correct an answer. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227282f4b5c71a4dec8d1c30c55b4b064a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection? There is not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca68078c31164b14ab14e00068e67932\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: On Thursday, in an answer to an oral question, I said I\u2019d been advised that only one breakdown had delayed a fire truck arriving at a job. I\u2019ve subsequently received an apology from Fire and Emergency New Zealand that that information was based on a miscommunication. I\u2019d like to withdraw that statement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022006859fa0f1e48289aff44b3a0d010fa\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d1f3384c3ec94b9abc047f53c727d582\u0022\u003EPetitions, Papers, Select Committee Reports, and Introduction of Bills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022ab601786dac84b3ab9751972f90f5084\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ab601786dac84b3ab9751972f90f5084\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Three petitions have been delivered to the Clerk for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022fb2c82158fbe4c6bbfcd9fd9576f8146\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fb2c82158fbe4c6bbfcd9fd9576f8146\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EPetition of Sam Troth on behalf of The Road to Healing Aotearoa requesting that the House implement a minimum sentence of eight years for sexual offending\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Epetition of Stephen Lincoln requesting that the House urge the Government to advocate that an ultimatum be given to the Israeli Government to stop the genocide in Gaza and the West Bank to allow UN aid back into Gaza and to negotiate the release of all captives\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Epetition of Aaron Livingston requesting that the House urge the Government to change New Zealand\u2019s foreign policy from supporting a two-State solution in Israel and Palestine to supporting only Israel\u2019s sovereignty and recognising Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00226327b27df12d47c6970f4ddf34a5cfb8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226327b27df12d47c6970f4ddf34a5cfb8\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Those petitions stand referred to the Petitions Committee. Ministers have delivered 16 papers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u002292a92da6713943f3b70ca386eb19d343\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002292a92da6713943f3b70ca386eb19d343\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EGovernment response to the petition of Laura Daniela Vargas Salas\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ereport of the Petitions Committee on the petition of Miryam Denny\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003E2024-25 annual reports for\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EAntarctica New Zealand\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003ECriminal Cases Review Commission\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003ELaw Commission\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EM\u0101ori Language Commission\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EMental Health and Wellbeing Commission\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Green Investment Finance Ltd\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Lotteries Commission\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Police\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EPublic Trust\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003E2025-29 statement of intent for the\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EM\u0101ori Language Commission, and\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EMental Health and Wellbeing Commission\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003E2025-26 statement of performance expectations for the\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EM\u0101ori Language Commission, and\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EMental Health and Wellbeing Commission, and\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EMinistry for the Environment\u2019s 2025 Report on Reasons for Difference between Prescribed NZ ETS Limits and Price Control Settings for Units and the Climate Change Commission\u2019s Advice on these Settings.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022d1fc1447513b421f8b1924d6437eb5c3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d1fc1447513b421f8b1924d6437eb5c3\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Those papers are published under the authority of the House. Fourteen select committee reports have been delivered for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022ebae98ddccff492396a16bd761c2ca22\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ebae98ddccff492396a16bd761c2ca22\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EReports of the Education and Workforce Committee on the\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EEducation and Training (Early Childhood Education Reform) Amendment Bill, and\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003EEmployment Relations (Termination of Employment by Agreement) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ereports of the Environment Committee on the\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003Ebriefing on the Climate Change Commission\u2019s reports and upcoming work programme\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003Ereport of the Controller and Auditor-General, Managing conflicts of interest in the Fast-track Approvals process\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003Ereports of the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, Estimate of environmental expenditure, 2022/23, Estimate of environmental expenditure, 2023/24, and Estimate of environmental expenditure, 2024/25\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ereport of the Finance and Expenditure Committee on the Overseas Investment (National Interest Test and Other Matters) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ereport of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee on the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ereports of the Petitions Committee on the\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003Epetition of Ann Chapman: Amend the HART Act to allow more flexible time frames for embryo/gamete storage\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003Epetition of Brian Webb: Adjust jury fees to align with the minimum wage \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003Epetition of Helen Duyvestyn: Micronutrient supplements for people with mental health disorders\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003Epetition of Liam Roach: Introduce a study wage for all tertiary students\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003Epetition of Robyn Cain: Remove all court and legal costs to ensure free access to justice for all, and\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL2\u0022\u003Epetition of Theresa Zame: Amend the Therapeutic Products Bill to allow importation of medication, and\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003Ereport of the Primary Production Committee on the Valuers Bill and report of the Attorney-General under the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990 on the Valuers Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022050d3b306e2c4eafb3476cd5f635e2a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022050d3b306e2c4eafb3476cd5f635e2a3\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The bills are set down for second reading. The briefing and reports are set down for consideration. The Clerk has been informed of the introduction of bills.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022\u0022 data-id=\u0022e14d7f92733e411c99095160dabd05bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e14d7f92733e411c99095160dabd05bf\u0022\u003ECLERK\u003C/span\u003E: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill, introduction\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBItemSL1\u0022\u003EFast-track Approvals Amendment Bill, introduction.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c6e088b7368d44d2b70fa588b57696e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c6e088b7368d44d2b70fa588b57696e5\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Those bills are set down for first reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c102ef86685a483f8ac73e34fa91f6e2\u0022\u003EPoints of Order\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225cfbc79076774fc5843851153d877ae0\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u2014Amended Answers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022 data-id=\u00224507fa9e866444d1884d23d7df3e49cf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224507fa9e866444d1884d23d7df3e49cf\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Madam Speaker. Thank you, Madam Speaker. When Ministers give incorrect information in answers to oral questions, there is an onus on them to come back to the House and do what David Seymour has just done and stating that they gave incorrect information, but there is also an onus on them to provide the correct information. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003EDavid Seymour has just made it clear to the House that he provided incorrect information, but he hasn\u2019t done the second part of that, which is to discharge his responsibility for correcting incorrect information, and it is to provide what the correct information actually is. He has indicated that the Fire Service were disrupted more than once by having faulty equipment in responding to calls, but he hasn\u2019t told us how many times.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002281ed0927c205471a91a57f6df8cda88a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281ed0927c205471a91a57f6df8cda88a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Does the Minister have the answer on hand? If not, the possibility is either now or at the earliest opportunity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f963f0770bee4fe1adf836a6db8f66e4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f963f0770bee4fe1adf836a6db8f66e4\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Well, I\u2019m sorry, but the Leader of the Opposition\u2019s assertion is incorrect. You do have an obligation to address questions, which I did at the time, and to correct any incorrect information, which I have. There\u2019s no further obligation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022 data-id=\u0022f886eb2af8944342a3abf72dc2f36033\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f886eb2af8944342a3abf72dc2f36033\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Madam Speaker. David Seymour sought leave to correct an answer, and, on that basis, the House unanimously gave him leave to do so. He didn\u2019t seek leave to withdraw information; he sought leave to correct information. He has not done that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00229b72c57529ab43ef9af2561432c4f04b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229b72c57529ab43ef9af2561432c4f04b\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The advice I have is that if the Minister knows the answer, he should give it to the House, and if he doesn\u2019t, he should give it to the House as soon as possible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u00221e1d008eae584f9099dd45527b3435b3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e1d008eae584f9099dd45527b3435b3\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Well, with the greatest of respect, the problem is that there may not always be an answer. Therefore, you can\u2019t always be\u2014that\u2019s why you\u2019re required to address the question; not answer it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022 data-id=\u0022f965a3a9499e44ddbcbf6c584c70696d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f965a3a9499e44ddbcbf6c584c70696d\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Madam Speaker. If the Minister does not know the answer, then how would he have corrected the answer? He must know the answer; therefore, he is obliged to tell the House what the answer is, given that the previous answer he gave was incorrect. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f459e2b28188465d9c9995ef43c881f3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f459e2b28188465d9c9995ef43c881f3\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E I just really hope that this is not how Labour Party logic works every day, because the simple fact is that while the statement made has been advised\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291237832d04a452b9485f826dce2c10a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Quiet\u2014the Minister is speaking. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fbbad2c21f88492f8689790432fb6401\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014to be incorrect, that does not mean that a correct answer is available. It may be that the answer given was simply erroneous. That\u2019s why it has being withdrawn, and with the incorrect part removed, the answer is now correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002293be511f845e4af79b96eb2dc131c763\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002293be511f845e4af79b96eb2dc131c763\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister is saying that he doesn\u2019t have an answer available\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221f254b9d566744b38277dc6e82b9c4db\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: You guys are simple.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f4bc269f63c84bde82c39a59042484e9\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014so, yeah.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fc11cd300ecc411f843c4fdddde6fe2c\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Simple, simple.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022 data-id=\u0022cacb977a16ba4fcb9ae74a3e88dc853e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cacb977a16ba4fcb9ae74a3e88dc853e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Madam Speaker. That isn\u2019t what he\u2019s saying; he appears to be saying he\u2019s not willing to give it. If he\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f842ca7ee81d4aa198a3c2726ddb6e11\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f842ca7ee81d4aa198a3c2726ddb6e11\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s not what I heard. I heard him say\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220b5b32cae8304e94b83e8e7ae3dfc912\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Simple man.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022507ae0409a2d4b219f10f1a96a1dc383\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014there wasn\u2019t an answer available. That is what he just said to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022 data-id=\u0022153afe7c13654fc0bab736e2d28c21c3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022153afe7c13654fc0bab736e2d28c21c3\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition):\u003C/span\u003E A further point of order, Madam Speaker. If it, therefore, becomes clear that David Seymour has been advised what the number is and he has chosen not to give that information to the House, will he still be in breach of the House, as he would have been had he not corrected it? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022083901a6633748549f4dfa4197ea432e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022083901a6633748549f4dfa4197ea432e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Deputy Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Speaking to the point of order, maybe I can help the member out. I\u2019ve been advised that a number is not currently available, so therefore it\u2019s not possible to answer the question\u2014which is what I\u2019ve been trying to get through to the simple man over there this whole time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00222c46ab0d468c497f85795e4c9ef42549\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222c46ab0d468c497f85795e4c9ef42549\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, that\u2019s fine. There\u2019s currently\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273504131276443618be150e0b7399535\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: A further point of order, Madam Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3810383924e44aeb852e5a96019253b\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m accepting that there\u2019s not currently an answer available that the Minister has at this point in time\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6114d7ff6a641bfad5d8adb3a3a9964\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Yep, I\u2019m accepting that, too. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022410df286165e487c8d154a52d0388372\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s what he said. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022 data-id=\u0022395c4d6e3c0e46f1907a6db90f6b0f5c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022395c4d6e3c0e46f1907a6db90f6b0f5c\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition):\u003C/span\u003E Madam Speaker, you\u2019ll note that this is a serious matter, where a Minister has to seek leave to correct an answer in order to not breach the privileges of the House. I have raised the issue with you correctly and appropriately. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ba577d149a64941b1cfadf538651d30\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299568bb082844ac48bc8dae4362b7410\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: I haven\u2019t insulted the Minister. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213599c9de1c24410963a139407ea90bd\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4711e4aa8144f2fa5234032aff38b30\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS\u003C/span\u003E: Multiple times in his answers to that, he chose to insult me and attack me in breach of the rules of the House. What would the consequence of that be for him? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f619c0a0cf3d4444bbfbea696fa2e08e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f619c0a0cf3d4444bbfbea696fa2e08e\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Look, I will follow up and have a look at the Hansard because I didn\u2019t pick up an insult. I know there was a bit of to-ing and fro-ing coming from the Minister, but I didn\u2019t pick up the insult, and so I will look at the Hansard and I will come back to you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002236314f07ea4a4089a475448b9ed18b00\u0022\u003EOral Questions\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002216945437ac724872b7ccda44fef720b7\u0022\u003EQuestions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b7a4e726e41b4615b82a689a3a0ff9cb\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022 data-id=\u0022195135fc6d864ed39b5a00fb8d7de62d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E1. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022195135fc6d864ed39b5a00fb8d7de62d\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022 data-id=\u0022801901dfb56d46cb8220b59c10b715e8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022801901dfb56d46cb8220b59c10b715e8\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002246d4d62cb8574247863a0975252007e3\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: If the economy has turned the corner, as he\u2019s repeatedly claimed, why have record numbers of New Zealanders been applying for KiwiSaver hardship withdrawals in the past 12 months?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022200919534af9400fa331cf0ef1e6dad5\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as I\u2019ve explained to the member before, it\u2019s no doubt been a very challenging time for the New Zealand economy. The previous Government drove up spending, inflation, and interest rates, and put the economy into recession, and people lose their jobs as a consequence of that. But there are good signs. It\u2019s good to see that job ads are up 3.5 percent. It\u2019s good to see that building consents are up 12 percent just in the last quarter. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022009665049d024865b45a8349ba283bc9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that under his leadership, hardship withdrawals from KiwiSaver have outnumbered first-home withdrawals from KiwiSaver month after month, when previously it only happened once in 10 years?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d01f2a8d931c43f1ba6ab1df74bc7e48\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as I said to the member in my answer to his first question, it has been a difficult time for the New Zealand economy. We inherited a recession that was probably the worst in 35 years. There was a long COVID hangover, thanks to the previous Government being the second - biggest-spending Government in the Western world\u2014spending $66 billion that no one seems to know where it went to. The reality, though, is that things are getting better: exports are up 4 percent; interest rates are down 300 basis points. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231c2812ac2b14fd9a765490729165169\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Has increasing the cost of doctors visits, home insurance, public transport, car registration, the price of going to a pharmacy, and student loans during a cost of living crisis made things better or worse for everyday Kiwi families?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b5110587e7343d9b533efcdf161aad1\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I acknowledge that many of those things that drive inflation, and particularly electricity but also, most importantly, council rates\u2014that member opposes council rates. If he wanted to tackle that problem, he would come on board with the Government\u2019s initiative to put a cap on rates.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022405e1d493f9a4752ae40a70a12ca3a25\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Government considering a law change to ban homeless people from central business districts; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eaa55b2e68e34cc0adca6feacd8cf757\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Our Government is doing everything we can to support people who are in homeless situations, and that\u2019s why you\u2019ve seen 300 more places made available through Housing First. A hundred of those 300 homes and accommodation have already been built, with 200 in Auckland, but, of course, our Government and our Ministers will work with lots of people to see what we can do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022638a1804a4b1469fb92580108f04457a\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. It was a very straightforward question: is the Government considering a law change to ban homeless people from central business districts; if so, why? I didn\u2019t ask the Prime Minister what does he think about homelessness; I asked him specifically whether they\u2019re considering a change to the law to ban homeless people from CBDs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c1e5592fd974f698988f854a4124fc5\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Prime Minister did say that the Government will do what they can. I would like to know if the Prime Minister could elaborate on that to answer that specific part of the question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e7d139c9166401e92d3d4e1142c7e34\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m quite comfortable that I\u2019ve answered one of those legs of those two legs in that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b9af403f3814081b24ec372cec4daba\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Government considering a law change to ban homeless people from central business districts? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef6667be0c4e4fb6b54a10d6ed057b05\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: There have been no Cabinet decisions or discussion on that topic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cab1c9b598c449c0811a487a5e6d8c09\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Cabinet discussed a law change to ban homeless people from central business districts?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229507dfdbb5794919b309baf79692ca7e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: In answer to the answer I just gave the member for his last question, no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d6c0ac018ea14f13a4f8deb3a0f1d8ac\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: When, if ever, will the Prime Minister finally respond to my many invitations to walk the streets of Auckland Central and meet the people, including the children, who his Government\u2019s policies have made homeless?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fcaeea906b544797b3d066f2e7f41fc2\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no disrespect to the member, but when she was part of a Labour-Greens Government and had one of her members as the Minister for homelessness, we saw $1 billion spent on emergency housing and a 37 percent increase in homelessness. This Government\u2019s record on housing, I would line up against Labour, Greens, and Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori any day of the week. The great Labour Prime Ministers of their era must be rolling in their graves with the legacy of Labour and Greens housing\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224dd11653cc3d4ad7a84e474b5515e453\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, that\u2019s enough. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002250f5bb7d5a8746cf826d89cfc3794c78\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022107d3a7fc99b4d31bfe03b757a296869\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: If booting people out of emergency accommodation has fixed the homelessness problem, why is the Government now considering changing the law to ban homeless people?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d676e7978a6d40b1af34190127b01bd6\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I reject the characterisation of that question, because here\u2019s the deal on housing: this Government has delivered housing affordability for people who want to purchase a house or to rent a house. This is the Government that took 6,000 people off the State house wait-list while that member increased it fourfold over six years, this is the Government that took 3,200 households out of emergency housing, and this is the Government that is doing a lot to help homeless support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022528134adfa6c4ba1a72e2cdf9c07bd9e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299c4799582494bc696b5f1560f635b78\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d6f5cfdbb214fa8bd8f7163707c266c\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is this\u2014[Interruption] Quiet, please. Is this a supplementary question, Minister Jones? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022528134adfa6c4ba1a72e2cdf9c07bd9e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f3e395b4b9f49028b46c00c0d2beaf6\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Correct. To the Prime Minister, is the Prime Minister aware that a capital gains tax leads to complications, complexity, and administrative dead weight?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a86b3fffe2884a0fa695bb0330b90c05\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not\u2014well, it is relevant to the lead question, so I\u2019ll let the Prime Minister answer that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022916eb5eef8fd41b89a7cd041f9a96994\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I thank the member for raising that issue because I\u2019m saying that taxing Kiwis and their houses and their KiwiSaver accounts is not the way forward to help people with the cost of living. It\u2019s just adding cost and adding tax. On this side of the House, we believe in low taxes. We believe in backing people who want to make something happen, and not in taxing everybody in sight. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233afb08d40f14e66894ff004503ac4d8\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Question\u2014quiet during questions, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022878371b8fc304ec4b7388c50fc6c4282\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224b2f5c45d42a433893ae6677b9a7307d\u0022 data-id=\u00225ba0ea8d89c64c1499bf8e695aa4deb2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224b2f5c45d42a433893ae6677b9a7307d\u0022\u003E2. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225ba0ea8d89c64c1499bf8e695aa4deb2\u0022\u003ECAMERON BREWER (National\u2014Upper Harbour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: What is the Government\u2019s revenue strategy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b67c00627fe149dab1593e9912aa2255\u0022 data-id=\u0022ad673f4be2fc4d0e8fa27ac378cd3795\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b67c00627fe149dab1593e9912aa2255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ad673f4be2fc4d0e8fa27ac378cd3795\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS (Minister of Revenue)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Finance: A revenue strategy is required by the Public Finance Act. The current Government strategy, part of the 2025 Fiscal Strategy Report, states that a good tax system is one that, among other things, \u201Cfinances public expenditure in a fair and efficient way\u201D, \u201Cencourages effort and investment\u201D, and \u201Chas low compliance and administrative costs\u201D. It goes on to say, \u201CThe Government will operate a stable, predictable revenue system\u201D, and it adds that the Government \u201Cis committed to public engagement in the design of tax policy\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224b2f5c45d42a433893ae6677b9a7307d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022652c244c18384cfeb72ccd49f31ce441\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: What does the strategy say about future revenue and expenses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b67c00627fe149dab1593e9912aa2255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bfaf66177c104a34b0a95e97a0f8b142\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, the strategy recognises that Government spending is currently greater than revenue, meaning the operating balance is in deficit. Revenue and spending need to be brought back into balance. Crucially, the strategy states that \u201CSpending restraint is the Government\u2019s primary lever for achieving these goals. With prudent control of spending, the Government does not intend to seek\u201D\u2014nor does it need to seek\u2014\u201Cmajor additional sources of revenue.\u201D I would also note that a tax increase announced alongside spending increases that it matches dollar for dollar does absolutely nothing to improve the operating deficit or Government debt.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224b2f5c45d42a433893ae6677b9a7307d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022513342c2a34a468cb0a352fd7a484c2c\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: What has the Government done to encourage effort and investment through the tax system?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b67c00627fe149dab1593e9912aa2255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0edb6fd0a1843c38b167afc66932e6b\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance: in last year\u2019s Budget, the Government increased personal income tax thresholds. These had not been adjusted in the previous 14 years, despite significant wage growth. We also increased the in-work tax credit, which helps low and middle income working families with children, and we expanded eligibility for the independent earner tax credit. Working people in this country now get to keep more of the money that they work so hard to earn. That is reward for effort, and it is delivered within tight Budget operating allowances. An estimated 727,000 households benefited by at least $75 a fortnight, and members opposite voted against it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224b2f5c45d42a433893ae6677b9a7307d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d40609cd42ae4d2498a98bc4d8f26e66\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227db5d32ac86a4c4590a65e44812fcc3c\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Quiet during questions, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224b2f5c45d42a433893ae6677b9a7307d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b14c3d37c10d45fbae5c1b564edaaf2f\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: What else has the Government done to encourage effort and investment through the tax system?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b67c00627fe149dab1593e9912aa2255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f88c2d975ef44fda20a2b2184790904\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, study after study has identified that compared to other countries, New Zealand has a low level of capital investment per worker. To raise productivity, lift incomes, and drive long-term economic growth, New Zealand needs businesses, big and small, to invest in machinery, tools, equipment, technology, vehicles, industrial buildings, and other capital assets. In this year\u2019s Budget, the Government launched Investment Boost, a tax incentive for New Zealand businesses to make these sorts of capital investments. As a consequence of this policy, we expect to see a lift in New Zealand\u2019s capital stock, a lift in GDP, and a lift in wages, again delivered within tight Budget operating allowances, and, again, opposed by members on that side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241f04106ca7a4465883e5de6acc755ed\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That answer was quite long enough. I\u2019d like them to be a bit briefer, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224b2f5c45d42a433893ae6677b9a7307d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a3b95acd5b5498fbaa7f12854d83eb5\u0022\u003ECameron Brewer\u003C/span\u003E: What sort of tax would be ruled out by the Government\u2019s revenue strategy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b67c00627fe149dab1593e9912aa2255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f13d625eb2c9439a901817d670aca6b5\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, on behalf of the Minister of Finance, it would be one that, according to an Australian expert report\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201Cis a tax which in any administrative form must be complex and difficult and produce some abnormalities and inequalities of its own. There is no doubt whatsoever that any revenue it raises could be more cheaply and easily raised in other ways.\u201D In addition, if that tax discouraged effort and investment, such as an investment in small-business premises, and if it gave preferential treatment to certain groups\u2014for example, people that inherit property\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c583a6a3ae3849ba91044eef3d4e1d9e\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I think that that\u2019s a long enough answer. Thank you. Question No. 3\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc8907102d984651ac7bec8454f3b2fd\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b352cbf977148fb8e08c322153e21d2\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry\u2014the Rt Hon Winston Peters. Is this a supplementary or a point of order?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8539a12665b4fec8efb04b718cffeef\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a supplementary because this is supplementary time. Can I ask the Minister, looking around the world, is there any comparative equality in terms of the policy advocated by the Labour Party when it comes to this question of a capital gains tax? Is there any example anywhere in the world\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ea9b701b8614f68b86f14d7d62a90cf\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: What a dumb question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229e8c94bb536346cca8eb6931f3e9c556\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: No, it\u2019s only dumb if you don\u2019t understand taxes\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224225b0d4ae0540659f3ef4ea41ea939a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Quiet during questions, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229626d69e75d1493eab294c239e7432cc\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and this is not mirror time for Willie. This is a time when you pay attention.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224efd755aac5049328261c755bcb61456\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, get to the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022efcffff1a78749f29abdd1d6a64dd55b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: With the greatest of respect, this guy could take some education about taxation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022311eba0f075e448993bb59225ea956bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c7971a22000843e3a294e580fda722c6\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002253288c68d69a4efda9f1ee365b31d1a4\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, I\u2019ll just ask\u2014I\u2019ve got a point of order here from the Hon Kieran McAnulty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022311eba0f075e448993bb59225ea956bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cce0e502bedb469ca48b87c718198388\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: With respect, Madam Speaker, the question should have been ruled out by now. The minute that the Minister asked his colleague for opinions on a Labour Party policy, that was out of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224d9031764a9b41b5be962cae8fa1c1f4\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, the reason the question hasn\u2019t been ruled out by now is because there\u2019s a lot of noise coming during supplementary questions. I\u2019d like the Rt Hon Winston Peters to ask that question again without referring to the Opposition and to ask the question straight to the Minister, and the Opposition will be quiet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227bd4c0624bc44565acf796b865ffe1c3\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Having heard of a recent example of a limited capital gains tax, is there anywhere in the world where an economy has adopted that policy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b67c00627fe149dab1593e9912aa2255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224aa2ff886bc94291a70f8097d86160c3\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, what I am clear about\u2014and I am not aware of other countries in the world that are looking to punish their citizens for success\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002270a06a07e7034cada100c360fc92944f\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b67c00627fe149dab1593e9912aa2255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb6f32adad384133a12beba726d49d37\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014through taxation, and that is exactly what that side of the House\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8ce71418f6d4e0180b766de5af2887c\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s not an answer. Sit down, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022311eba0f075e448993bb59225ea956bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8ca17c5fe374eea83a273eaeebe9bde\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. You made it extremely clear to the member asking the question that it was not to be in reference to any other party\u2019s policy. The Minister then, in response, completely ignored your clear guidance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225612db37c96047daad4125f2074e472a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I cut the Minister off and asked him to sit down because I could see what was happening there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022311eba0f075e448993bb59225ea956bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c758c45f3b04d81a0b8aa6f6c0360e4\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: He didn\u2019t, though, did he? He continued on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa03259ff09b4cb4bdfc5c170f8fc898\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no, he did. I said that that was enough and to finish off the answer, and I asked him to sit down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221e67392ab0c44a18a6f9f74758a094a9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: With respect to tax policy, has the Minister heard the statement \u201CIf you can\u2019t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c58197bf50b44019da85183470c5672\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s not a question. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002245ce14c6184f43239b68ad0658dde444\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022 data-id=\u002206139d77dcb1469c864dd3b84f8b64e7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E3. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002206139d77dcb1469c864dd3b84f8b64e7\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: E tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E[Does he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022 data-id=\u00221c9586672ed345769d242de365b70f77\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c9586672ed345769d242de365b70f77\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223227d40227014c7ea2276a938b74f2d0\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: What is the effective tax rate paid by the wealthiest 1 percent of New Zealanders, and why is it half the effective tax rate of the average hard-working New Zealander?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e071741aaee047d1a0b427a075c4389e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: We have a progressive income tax system in New Zealand, and the more money you earn, the more tax you pay.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b9000cee5554d24805683c27f095797\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: How is it fair that hard-working New Zealanders pay tax on every dollar they earn through income while the super-wealthy passively accumulate more and more untaxed wealth without lifting a finger?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8b952a9ad9343b5866570abf4b64c1e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, in answer to the member\u2019s first leg to that question, it\u2019s somewhat ironic because she and her party did not support basic tax relief for low and middle income working New Zealanders. It wasn\u2019t ideological; it was a pretty simple up and down vote of \u201CDo you lift the tax thresholds for low and middle income working New Zealanders?\u201D, and Labour, the Greens, and Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori all said no because you do not care about working New Zealanders\u2014period.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022311eba0f075e448993bb59225ea956bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250220d750a744c5a96b12c3555bce8d1\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. Speakers\u2019 rulings are quite clear that no Minister should bring parties that aren\u2019t involved in the question into the fray, and that Minister\u2014the Prime Minister\u2014does it repeatedly and has been told by other presiding officers not to do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022734463f798af41a5b8294791be4b554f\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yep, thank you, and I\u2019d ask the Prime Minister to refrain from doing it for the rest of the day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab28cc3a2c4e4ef6aad82a6935177638\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Why does he think that in the past three years, the average net worth of the wealthiest 20 percent in this country grew by 20 percent while the poorest 20 percent got poorer by 9 percent, if not because of economic rules that are geared towards the benefit of the wealthiest?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223eedc9ffceeb458e8d43838f6ba50710\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ve asked me why: because there was something called a Labour-Greens Government that mismanaged\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a896a512fb943b7a892d33e5d7ffa4e\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cdfe39162b274ed28b5e9b84f1ec7dcd\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014the economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a4eceb289654930ae3e25ca9963570e\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I\u2019d ask the member to ask that question again. That was a swing at the Opposition, and it wasn\u2019t an answer to the question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d56a96fc72b5483bbba9f8cf18a995cd\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. The member asked a question about a period of time during which, as the Prime Minister has said, there was a Labour-Greens Government. I don\u2019t see how that\u2019s not a legitimate response to the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6a7f873f6af412aaf9e6f662a28ae87\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m asking the member to ask the question again, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d733a047ae304916bc3e7b2715cdff61\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Why does the Prime Minister think that in the past three years, the average net wealth of the wealthiest 20 percent grew by 20 percent while the poorest 20 percent in this country got 9 percent poorer, if not because of an economic system that is geared to benefit the wealthy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002220418a36925b47c6a0b607cef0e8a51f\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, because when a Government increases spending by 84 percent and it drives up inflation to 7.3 percent, that then leads to higher interest rates\u2014they went up 12 times\u2014high interest rates puts an economy into recession, and people lose their jobs. The consequence of all of that is that working and middle-income New Zealanders got incredibly hurt and damaged.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002229fb223247a44cbeaa231d7ead04ca97\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: So when does he expect his tax cuts and Public Service cuts to trickle down?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6ce77fd216d4708ab5e528fa5562c46\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the good news is that the economy is growing now in this quarter. We have job ads up, we have building consents up, we have exports up, we have interest rates down, we have inflation down, we have business confidence up eight points, we have farmer confidence at a good level, we\u2019ve got Accor building hotels now\u2014their 49th, going on to their 50th\u2014we\u2019ve got Ports of Auckland and Freightways talking about good activity, and loan arrears are down, and so they\u2019re all positive signs.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228df79de2e7de41238e6588498e447175\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: What is more important to the Prime Minister: allowing the wealthiest to amass hundreds of millions in untaxed wealth, or properly funding our hospitals, our schools, our emergency services, and our infrastructure?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c35984a5f844b0caed089722ddb8095\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m actually very proud that this is a Government that realised about $40 billion of inefficiency and deployed it to the front line, including almost $17 billion in healthcare in our first Budget and a further increase of 6 to 7 percent in our second Budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022528134adfa6c4ba1a72e2cdf9c07bd9e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f94905c828f948608a8409c0a907153a\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: On the matter of Government actions, can the Prime Minister confirm that by exempting a substantial number of companies from the onerous obligation of reporting mythical climate emissions, our economy will be better off for it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220192d5e231c14546b1443e928b032e51\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Anything that lowers compliance and regulation and red tape and green tape is a good thing for New Zealand because we\u2019ve got to get the show unblocked and get it moving. Again, I\u2019d just say to the Opposition parties: support our fast-track legislation and mining.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228182c8f9deb34ff79e606c9ea3e93484\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister agree with the assertion from his Minister just then that climate emissions are \u201Cmythical\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273b0befd5b854d9183e028dade51bb28\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: He didn\u2019t make that assertion. He said climate reporting that is adding huge amounts of cost and compliance to businesses is a waste of time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282dbe6bcd7b34c0dbb1ee172b0ead7db\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. We have demonstrable evidence almost immediately that the Minister said precisely that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223925a4e8460b4c16a805ec973ff48c44\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I do believe that the Minister did use the word \u201Cmythical\u201D in his question about climate reporting, though, wasn\u2019t it? [Interruption] It was about climate reporting, right?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9af20af525e47f98f822c844011663c\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: If I recall correctly, it was about reporting on \u201Cmythical climate emissions\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295995f8ada0944c0aca448210757cdc5\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK. So\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022528134adfa6c4ba1a72e2cdf9c07bd9e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229acde8e7ad364d15b566cac59d402f29\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, the mythology refers to the beliefs of the party across the road. They are the ones who introduced that policy. It is mythical because it\u2019s disappeared. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e6dfb738d7b43f0af0effcd79eaf2ec\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6f916b3d2364bea8710ae52c9a32138\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, is this a point of order or a question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acd2b0091d574d4da277bb9eae581994\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m speaking to the point of order, in which I asked the Prime Minister a very straightforward question: whether he agreed with the assertion from one of his Ministers about whether climate changing emissions were mythical or not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241162cfcdbee4198941c7556baf11bce\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And the Minister has just clarified that the policy was now mythical because the policy was no longer in place. So we\u2019ve\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b33ffcd96dd340fab24b7b2c53393208\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002260d8cc63bf234f129ed52bc37561298c\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014clarified that. No, is this a new question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b998c4dcc1b4a9cbf7f20b302ccaa05\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: I guess I just have a question for the House about whether the truth matters any more.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273a11a26d8ce417ab2d28d2647397f8a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, this\u2014[Interruption] OK, order, please. Yes, the truth does matter, and we\u2019re going to move on to question\u2014[Interruption] Quiet, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220eda4529657748baa39498ac42231600\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. The last question was utterly offensive to this House. It was not within the Standing Order or Speakers\u2019 rulings, or any other procedure past except\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ec767f11f7c447db7cae8eb540ab9a2\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: You would know! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207d5760b0a0b45a487ede210e50d70da\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: I would know\u2014of course I\u2019d know, far more than you, sunshine, and that\u2019s why I\u2019m mentioning this in a point of order. That member should be required to stand now and apologise to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a01ed11f5603412ab667ebc4b2190312\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no. [Interruption] No, we\u2019re moving on. It\u2019s question No. 4, in the name of Barbara Edmonds. I had to tell the Opposition to be quiet during questions before, and now I\u2019m going to tell the Government members to be quiet during questions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fd05131658e24cf0afc383f2afb87622\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u2014Finance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225dec06e8b9d847bdbf5a51cad169ca1b\u0022 data-id=\u0022aa898608d0bb4e56af115d20fb6e5722\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225dec06e8b9d847bdbf5a51cad169ca1b\u0022\u003E4. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aa898608d0bb4e56af115d20fb6e5722\u0022\u003EHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour\u2014Mana)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Finance: Does she stand by her statement of July 2024 that \u201Ccost of living relief is on its way\u201D; if so, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef553877fd5d4e4e95ae1b7c3bf33c0e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef553877fd5d4e4e95ae1b7c3bf33c0e\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Finance)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the Minister of Finance: Yes. The reason why is that that statement was made two days before personal income tax changes came into effect on 31 July 2024. The member might be aware that the next sentence goes on to say, \u201CFrom Wednesday, [you\u2019ll] be able to keep more of your hard-earned money to put towards things that are important to you, your children, your weekly shop, [and] paying your power bill.\u201D Those changes, mostly to income tax thresholds and the in-work tax credit, made around 1.9 million New Zealand households better off, on average, by $60 a fortnight. Households with children were better off, on average, by $78 a fortnight. It is strange that the member would ask about that particular quote in this particular week, because there is now a clear choice between a Government that wants to spend carefully, reduce your tax burden, and let you succeed on your own terms, and an Opposition that wants to put their hands in your pocket with a creepy and creeping capital gains tax.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225dec06e8b9d847bdbf5a51cad169ca1b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226073b1b560e748c8937e3171fc774c13\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: How many families, therefore, lost money because of the tax changes which came into effect on the date the Minister has just reported?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec6f9911b9674da781531a58b66377e7\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the tax threshold increase meant that people were liable to pay less tax, and so if there was any group that somehow paid more, then I guess you would point to them. But 1.9 million households were better off.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225dec06e8b9d847bdbf5a51cad169ca1b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022473a35822fc44a95a4cd03664b2489d2\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: How many families have received the full $250 tax cut that was promised by this Government?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3af7eb9ca7a4384a8bf6d9c7d5a8d2a\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: The fact is that that promise is a sliding scale. It is a range of relief that might be received, and the Opposition can spend as much time as they like pointing out that rather obvious fact. But the people back at home want to see a Government that spends their money as carefully as the people in it would spend their own and that is able to reduce taxes, rather than putting new taxes in front of them that will take all sorts of things that they might not have expected, because they can\u2019t trust \u201CChippy\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225dec06e8b9d847bdbf5a51cad169ca1b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022046dc0fe547a49348b8bc43aea3529c7\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: If the cost of living relief is on its way, why are KiwiSaver hardship withdrawals the highest they have been\u2014more than double what it was this time two years ago?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bd5a481f642c4ef08535294b376cb42b\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: The voters, I believe, have a lot more intelligence than they\u2019re sometimes given credit for by the Opposition. They can see that the conditions New Zealanders face in the economy today are caused by a combination of factors overseas, historical policies by the New Zealand Government, and the initiatives of the current Government, and when they look at the current Government, they see a Government that is carefully managing its spending and that is presiding over falling inflation and falling interest rates so that New Zealanders have more money in their pocket left at the end of the week. The voters can work it out; if only those people could.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225dec06e8b9d847bdbf5a51cad169ca1b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292642a71b3234ee2bd40a7688fe24df6\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Are families getting more, when 5,530 people made KiwiSaver hardship withdrawals in the month of September?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275d57e99062f40c980c86cdc49e8a108\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: It is clear that there are people having a tough time, and we feel for people that are in the position\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b373ad1f1984bdcbd7bdefbd6e2fdd2\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Do you\u2014really?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef874ae980c04c26bd61b5d051b3af81\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014of drawing on their KiwiSaver. I\u2019d just say to Ginny Andersen, who said \u201CDo you\u2014really?\u201D, that, actually, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a9ad5f5831ca4056a7e52720f7db9ce9\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t think you do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4149349013b40599768d576266c086d\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: When a person answers a question in the House\u2014oh, Madam Speaker, point of order. She\u2019s just said, \u201CI don\u2019t think you do.\u201D Now, to say that a member is deliberately misleading the House\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223567639465a4c1092401fb120c182e8\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022978acb0f15994fd080721d0ad0412e9c\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014is a breach of order, and she\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022225e6bef6f684443b1048a13bb3f89cb\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That was an interjection going both ways, so carry on with the answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022688fefc72486424f8f5d7ccc5c8e0cba\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no, I\u2019m sorry, Madam Speaker, but it is a breach of the Standing Orders to accuse another member of lying. She did it twice and repeatedly\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c66e73a59aaf4c9b9fca5f764b9995a8\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: In fact, no\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022daaf8f18273744fc9b7e594498cf90e7\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014and she should be asked to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c878cd3b07147a4844910e0bbf64aa4\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, the member didn\u2019t accuse the Minister of lying. She just said that she thought he didn\u2019t understand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225dec06e8b9d847bdbf5a51cad169ca1b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a952b49501ed4613b061313fed07918f\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Who else is there to blame for her economic mismanagement, given her Government has blamed Labour, power companies, Fonterra, insurance companies, supermarkets, US tariffs, \u201Cmerchants of misery\u201D, teenagers, John Key, teachers, firefighters, doctors, nurses, local councils, and unions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6d7eed299e643dcaf977438e6aa70b4\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: Well, there once was a man called Christian Cullen, and he was known for being fast on his feet. Barbara Edmonds is the opposite of Christian Cullen: she stomps through question time with her lead shoes, reading out the questions that had been written down before, and not changing tack when anything else changes in question time. As I\u2019ve said in a previous answer, the voters have a lot more intelligence and perspective than they are given credit for by the Opposition. They can appreciate that a combination of historical Government policy, events that have occurred overseas, and the current Government\u2019s actions influence the conditions they face, and the current Government\u2019s actions are to spend money carefully, to take pressure off inflation, to see interest rates coming down, to cut red tape, and to improve the prospects of New Zealanders. They can see that this Government is fixing what matters for them; those guys are out of touch. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022289d98ae5e744363995d880840921c41\u0022\u003EHon Paul Goldsmith\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by her statement that the Labour capital gains tax plan is a \u201Cterrible idea\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226abf0d0ae26a4b569cfaa4a70b0d8754\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s not related to the original question, thank you. Question No. 5\u2014[Interruption] Quiet, please. [Interruption] Quiet! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002295e5735ff3ca43d2974c36bbf63f467f\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u2014Biosecurity\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022b4e49eba56dd40e3b81af26f2bea7c62\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003E5. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b4e49eba56dd40e3b81af26f2bea7c62\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON (ACT)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Biosecurity: What recent announcements has he made about strengthening the biosecurity system?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002282e454b54912449789c780bc40f1c715\u0022 data-id=\u002229c9355e3d8444228ddc7a481705d84a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282e454b54912449789c780bc40f1c715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002229c9355e3d8444228ddc7a481705d84a\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW HOGGARD (Minister for Biosecurity):\u003C/span\u003E Last week, I announced the Government\u2019s plan for overhauling the Biosecurity Act to safeguard New Zealand\u2019s primary sector into the future. As an island food-producing nation, our prosperity relies on protection from biosecurity threats. New Zealand exports $60 billion of food and fibre products each year, and our relative freedom from pests and diseases is a big part of our competitive advantage and underpins our primary sector. That\u2019s why we\u2019re modernising the Biosecurity Act with nearly 50 proposals for change that will strengthen protection against invasive pests and diseases. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022402bf957b58f42e5a82adde62ef5a478\u0022\u003ECameron Luxton\u003C/span\u003E: How could an invasive species or a disease that impacts animals have such a big impact on our economy? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8501c785eed4322967ef5439d9e92fd\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, he\u2019s really kicking the hornets\u2019 nest now! \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282e454b54912449789c780bc40f1c715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022817d0b56c1d54835b8116694f7b5f505\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW HOGGARD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, and we\u2019ll take care of them. The primary sector really is the backbone of our economy, but we cannot afford to be complacent. Diseases and invasive species can spread fast and wipe out entire sectors if they are not prevented at the border or detected early and managed properly. Economic analysis from the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research says that a foot-and-mouth incursion would cost over $14 billion a year. That wouldn\u2019t just cost farmers; it would shut down our economy and permanently damage our international reputation and credibility. Our biosecurity system is strong, and we\u2019re committed to maintaining a strong border and robust biosecurity systems. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022583e4f4381ef4a9cba139483eecfc685\u0022\u003ECameron Luxton\u003C/span\u003E: How will the biosecurity system at the border be strengthened?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282e454b54912449789c780bc40f1c715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c77203addc2847b298173f0419a2af35\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW HOGGARD\u003C/span\u003E: One of the things we will be doing is to introduce a new offence for not declaring high-risk goods such as raw meat at the border. This offence will attract a fine of $800, while low-risk goods not declared will stay at $400. Our relative freedom from pests and diseases is greatly valued by all Kiwis, and this will remind visitors that New Zealand takes biosecurity seriously. We cannot afford to put our primary sector and our natural environment at risk, and the best way to manage any biosecurity incursion is to stop it from happening in the first place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222782ba4e37a249029405743e6331f32c\u0022\u003ECameron Luxton\u003C/span\u003E: What changes have been made to import health standards?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282e454b54912449789c780bc40f1c715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b7e9bb84801e4c1ab5929508ae2d1f64\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW HOGGARD\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re improving New Zealand\u2019s import rules by making the development of import health standards more flexible and allowing risk assessments to be tailored to the scenario\u2014for example, we will enable the ability to issue a one-off permit for goods where it wouldn\u2019t make sense to develop and maintain an import health standard. These changes are in addition to a new programme of work that I announced this year, aimed at significantly reducing the time it takes to develop an import health standard. This will enable higher volumes of trade, and thus give exporters greater access to new materials to develop innovative products without lowering our biosecurity standards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022528134adfa6c4ba1a72e2cdf9c07bd9e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228bb7d33f4e1d48e4aceeac0754edcf2e\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: On the matter of pests, can the Minister confirm what is the status of the invasive Portuguese millipede, otherwise known as Ommatoiulus moreleti, and whether or not it has crept across to the other side of the House?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f865159f6e774b999cc1a599a8a0d5f8\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister wish to answer the first part of this question? I have no understanding of what that species is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282e454b54912449789c780bc40f1c715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022053bb4d3d2fa47acbfcc6e3edd865972\u0022\u003EHon ANDREW HOGGARD\u003C/span\u003E: I believe in terms of where you\u2019ve got a pest at a regional level, the regional council does take precedence. But, yes, we will be looking to equip Biosecurity New Zealand with lots of flamethrowers to try and remove that, and spiders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c2e5ea1dc2be4122817b2e69c15f3497\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220cca8d925277422396d3d4e7837175a3\u0022 data-id=\u002232283e1124e747419bd9fccaf482b865\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220cca8d925277422396d3d4e7837175a3\u0022\u003E6. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232283e1124e747419bd9fccaf482b865\u0022\u003ESAM UFFINDELL (National\u2014Tauranga)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: What actions is the Government taking to increase vaccination rates?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022 data-id=\u00220b6ed84997e14e68bea030107a62a2e9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220b6ed84997e14e68bea030107a62a2e9\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Our Government is taking the current measles outbreak very seriously. Cases are now confirmed across multiple regions, and the risk of continued transmission is high. That\u2019s why, this week, Health New Zealand has launched a nationwide Measles Immunisation Week, to highlight the need for Kiwis to get immunised. Measles is a serious disease. In the 2019 outbreak, one in three people who contracted measles needed hospital care. That\u2019s why Health New Zealand is running pop-up clinics, tracing contacts, and supporting families to lift our vaccination coverage in order to stamp out the measles outbreak and to prevent the wider impacts of this disease on our schools, our health system, society, and the economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220cca8d925277422396d3d4e7837175a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8bd526f4fa049b1834ac5c15c4920b2\u0022\u003ESam Uffindell\u003C/span\u003E: What steps has the Government taken to reduce the impact of serious diseases like measles?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1045256436849d6b58d701533467a85\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: We have reinstated the health target for immunisation, and after years of decline, our latest quarterly health target results show that 82 percent of children are now fully immunised by age two, up from 76.5 percent at 30 June last year, representing the largest annual gain across all of our health targets. This shows that our focus on targets is working. Whilst this is a significant increase, though, there is still much more work to be done. Health New Zealand is working with providers to make it easier for people to get their MMR vaccines and other vaccines, including through extra and pop-up clinics, to prevent the outbreak from worsening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220cca8d925277422396d3d4e7837175a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230a9b3f8262a437f86c11868a22d99f7\u0022\u003ESam Uffindell\u003C/span\u003E: Why is it important to increase the MMR vaccination rate?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204725c6d63124d1baadfc916e5ac0edd\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Measles is one of the most infectious viruses in the world. One case can infect 12 to 18 unvaccinated people, and if you\u2019re not immunised and you\u2019re exposed, there\u2019s a 90 percent chance that you will catch it. Vaccination is the single best way to protect families, prevent community spread, and take pressure off our hospitals, with two doses of the MMR vaccine providing about 99 percent protection. We need around 95 percent coverage to stop future outbreaks and to stamp out the current incursion. Over the last few years, rates fell. We are now turning that around, but there\u2019s still more work to do. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220cca8d925277422396d3d4e7837175a3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223eea23b83b55401ba5c607f498391655\u0022\u003ESam Uffindell\u003C/span\u003E: Why did the Government reintroduce the immunisation target?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec067a9b290b4b2d9a62300e84a16504\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Let\u2019s be clear: we\u2019re committed to giving every child the healthiest possible start to life. Targets matter because, ultimately, that helps to drive the system to ensure that we can reach the targets needed to prevent outbreaks such as what we are experiencing today. It also ensures that children get the protection they need when they need it. Whilst New Zealand\u2019s overall vaccination rates have improved, there is still much more work to do. That\u2019s why Health New Zealand is working with providers this week and all weeks to continue\u2014particularly this week, with Measles Immunisation Week\u2014to drive up immunisation rates and to promote the need for immunisation so that we can act decisively to prevent this outbreak from spreading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204a01fc8d36e42348dfe69dc74a0163e\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Is it correct that despite his Government\u2019s performance against the target, the number of susceptible people is estimated to increase by a thousand a month and, therefore, the risk of an outbreak continues to grow irrespective of the target?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7ef7279c5f24003b0d7748ff966e20e\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I would say to that member that it is critically important that we focus on improving immunisation rates, and I would point out what happened to immunisation rates during the previous six years under the Labour Government, where they fell from around 92 percent of two-year-olds to around 75 percent of two-year-olds due to the removal of the target. We have reintroduced the target, we are now focused on meeting it, and we acknowledge that there\u2019s a lot more work to do and we\u2019re focused on doing it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220634638c86b94ff2adacf0f0ed6d5214\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: What approach is the Government taking to school attendance in the course of this outbreak\u2014particularly during NCEA exams\u2014and what advice has the director-general issued to schools in relation to attendance and the outbreak?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b102c71a13174f0eb35e25a879596aab\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: The Director-General of Health has provided very clear advice that school students should continue to attend schools and exams, unless they are identified as a close contact and aren\u2019t immunised. It\u2019s about making sure that we continue to get our children the education that they need. Ultimately, though, the very clear message is that whether it\u2019s teachers or students, immunisation is the best protection against measles. We\u2019re encouraging everyone to take up that opportunity to get immunised, and the latest data, which I have just received, shows that there were around 2,500 measles immunisations delivered yesterday\u2014the highest number since 2019. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b7b028f43b8c4b3e98625668bf69638c\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022 data-id=\u00225e8757256fdc4cf5bd9a8954e74940ee\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E7. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225e8757256fdc4cf5bd9a8954e74940ee\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: E tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E[Does he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022 data-id=\u002257da40e2362147cfb2e320f378f3435b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002257da40e2362147cfb2e320f378f3435b\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294812b4b8802495b85935de960bdc90a\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister stand by his answer to the Greens in question time, December 2023, when he said\u2014and I quote\u2014\u201CWe\u2019re not weakening our actions on climate change, we\u2019re just going about it in a different way.\u201D, when his Government has just announced weakening our methane targets by halving them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b876b48fa5e2430e94bc1bc682208cb3\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I think we\u2019ve been very clear about our position on methane targets. We have the best farmers in the world; we have the most carbon-efficient farmers in the world. The madness of the previous administration of sending production offshore to less carbon- and production-efficient countries makes global greenhouse gas emissions worse. We want to maintain our delivery of our commitments that we have. [Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d1256de375c4352a0123a1c0622ce58\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Quiet during questions, please.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222641086d20bd48d6b71c473a7b2d9488\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister understand that Government policy which increases climate-changing emissions will ultimately increase New Zealanders\u2019 cost of living?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dbc801df185146c78d5583fbc03e3cae\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re not going to drive our farmers offshore and shut down farming production in New Zealand. We are not here to punish our farmers. They are the best in the world, they are the most carbon-efficient in the world, and we back them to succeed out there in the real world.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb8c363ab82f46e0a9a8fcf5e88ba4de\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware that for every Government action that increases emissions, we become more liable to pay billions of dollars offshore for other countries to reduce their emissions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229289e8ad79494260886984a11fe938ff\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m not punishing New Zealand farmers in any stretch of the imagination. These are the farmers that get up early each and every day. This is the farming sector that\u2019s pulling New Zealand out of the recession that the Labour-Greens Government created. We are backing our farmers. We are not punishing our farmers. They do an outstanding job, and we\u2019ve got the right policy to help them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223236226d3ea144b7b17a5eefb71e9135\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. The question was specifically about our constructive liabilities under the Paris Agreement, which the Prime Minister should understand, and the fact that if we are not reducing our climate-changing emissions domestically, then we have liability to pay other countries to do that. He did not even address the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f93675ef4b74ba995d687c1ac1140f9\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister want to expand, please, on the liability part of that question? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b30bb9273f54973aced37ec1fc4e92e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: This is a Government that is doing everything it can to meet its climate obligations, including Net Zero 2050, and, based off our latest emissions reduction plan, there\u2019s a possibility we may even do it earlier.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227149da8abdb74a9c97fc961184168ae0\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: To the Prime Minister, when you were answering that question, were you giving the answer to the M\u0101ori version or the English translation version, given that the latter is not an accurate translation of the former? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265924697a32246f9a450d0b659a6c5a2\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, can I just be unambiguous in either te reo or English that we are backing farmers. Our policy is the right one. We\u2019re going to make sure that we deliver on our commitments but, importantly, we are powering up this economy and we are all about economic growth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022abd9917fc84445979f8e89f0dcdc0f34\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I actually think that that wasn\u2019t an actual question. The translation is not the Prime Minister\u2019s responsibility; it\u2019s part of the question sheet. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022528134adfa6c4ba1a72e2cdf9c07bd9e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b1cb23d51ed4ea1b3313fe2cedfea0d\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fe2ed064e3941ccb7993c0a4aeac658\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is this a supplementary to question No. 7? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022528134adfa6c4ba1a72e2cdf9c07bd9e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022013144ba09b442bcb2442588ca085262\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. A question to the Prime Minister: is he aware that one of the most wealthiest men in New Zealand has abandoned the hyperbole and hysteria of climate change\u2014in the form of Bill Gates?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a74d31205f2499a86c842ead14e98a5\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, what I\u2019m aware of is that if you want to back climate change, you would support fast-track legislation, you\u2019d support mining for critical earth minerals, and you would support ending the oil and gas ban because, actually, that\u2019s what\u2019s needed in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227b9d7951744240569e55387728ca5953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4ab3185d94845ff8af484d4e99cb045\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. The translation may be not the Prime Minister\u2019s role or responsibility, but I asked the question as to what he was answering\u2014the M\u0101ori version or the English version\u2014and you thought that you\u2019d dismiss it by saying what we all know\u2014that it\u2019s not his responsibility. So let\u2019s have this question: why aren\u2019t you fulfilling your responsibility, and your staff\u2019s, and getting it right in the first place?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e14b7b9d124a403190d25aeee3193aca\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I\u2019m not accepting that point of order. This is a translated question which has been on notice for today, and it\u2019s the translation on various other days. The Prime Minister is well aware of what the question means, and I\u2019m moving on to question No. 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222cddc116be2f4aedb097f0840a715ceb\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u2014Health\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c028a3bcc0ae45519cffbd294d7bc08c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E8. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c028a3bcc0ae45519cffbd294d7bc08c\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister of Health: Does he stand by his statement that \u201CWe want all New Zealanders to be able to see a GP when they need one\u201D; if so, is it acceptable that almost one in six New Zealanders cannot afford to go to the doctor? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022 data-id=\u0022c3f8feb3bb1c40f1b4da75f49738b3bf\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c3f8feb3bb1c40f1b4da75f49738b3bf\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN (Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E In the context it was made, yes. Our Government is committed to ensuring that all New Zealanders can access the care they need when they need it. To do this, we\u2019ve delivered the biggest ever funding boost for GPs\u2014$175 million this year alone\u2014at an allowable fee increase of just 3 percent, keeping costs stable and predictable. We know that the biggest barrier for patients today is actually getting an appointment. In 2023-24, 25.7 percent of adults couldn\u2019t see a GP due to wait times, up from 11.6 percent in 2021-22. That is why we are focused on affordability and accessibility. We\u2019re extending prescriptions to 12 months where safe, saving patients up to $105 a year in GP fees; we\u2019re strengthening the primary care workforce; we\u2019ve launched a 24/7 online GP care service for times when patients can\u2019t see their regular GP; and we continue to target support through subsidised GP visits for community services card holders, and the Very Low Cost Access scheme. All of this is about putting patients first and making sure that every Kiwi can get in to see a doctor when they need to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb6091d350054337bc8be0bc04222366\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Will he help the tradie who said to me that \u201CI don\u2019t go to the doctor\u2019s, because I can\u2019t afford to. I earn $24 an hour.\u201D, or is he not bothered by the fact that cost is preventing working people from seeing the doctor?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f747ced13e0a405f84af77805632f133\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as the member will be aware, there is the community services card scheme, which means that those people earning that amount of money are able to pay a maximum of $20 co-payment, and, ultimately, that member\u2019s policy is to put a capital gains tax on property, on commercial buildings, and on KiwiSaver so that people earning high incomes can go to the doctor for free.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0a595c0a43e40e9ba24077ab604ed74\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Does he recognise that the cost of doctors visits is harming patients like the woman who wrote to me that she\u2019d self-treated her joint problem with anti-inflammatories because she couldn\u2019t afford a $60 visit and ended up with hearing loss?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022014ca9f8804d4de8a849e29a1fb548a2\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: What I\u2019d say to that member is that the increased number of New Zealanders who could not access a GP appointment because they couldn\u2019t get one went from 11 percent under her watch, to 25 percent, and the other point that she fails to actually mention is that the cost of GP fees went up by 30 percent under Labour. We are focused on increasing accessibility and affordability, such as our policy of extending prescriptions, which is saving people with long-term conditions $105. I have not heard from the Labour Party whether they actually support that policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291a07be3cf5e45cf8e5cf63578122b3e\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Is it fair that under his Government, a woman with pneumonia has to choose between her own health and that of her diabetic husband because they can\u2019t both afford to go to the doctor?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228eafc139bac74bd7acc3097d63d51a8b\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as I\u2019ve said earlier, the cost of seeing a GP went up 30 percent under the Labour Party\u2019s watch. We are focused on improving accessibility and focused on improving affordability with policies such as extending prescriptions to 12 months. I am yet to hear from the Labour Party as to whether or not they support our policy of extending prescriptions up to 12 months. That would save people up to $105 per year on seeing a GP. I have not heard from the Labour Party whether or not they support that policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221240b3545c034aa6833c72db37b337c6\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Is the 70-year-old grandmother with asthma, diabetes, and high blood pressure who has cancelled her last three doctors appointments because she can\u2019t afford it because of the $75 fee getting the care she needs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002208f355c54a924840b843fc8311bab212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af496a0cb1d847b6bf9a301bdd984918\u0022\u003EHon SIMEON BROWN\u003C/span\u003E: Patients with asthma, such as that grandmother and such as me, require long-term prescriptions, and our policy will mean they won\u2019t have to get repeat prescriptions costing $105 per year and they will be able to get a 12-month prescription. I am yet to hear whether or not the Labour Party supports that policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d0b4a1768c944bbcbd3c318036814a1f\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u2014Tourism and Hospitality\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022 data-id=\u00226fcafb0e8975404aba3052c5c8b31af4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022\u003E9. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226fcafb0e8975404aba3052c5c8b31af4\u0022\u003ESUZE REDMAYNE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Tourism and Hospitality: What recent announcements has she made to support tourism in New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022 data-id=\u0022c2a3e5e0f4e74a79a950ac31cf53f83b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c2a3e5e0f4e74a79a950ac31cf53f83b\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Tourism and Hospitality):\u003C/span\u003E Recently, I\u2019ve made two joint announcements that will bring more visitors to New Zealand and boost our economy. Over the weekend, Minister Potaka and I announced $10.8 million of funding to complete two sections on the Mountains to Sea great ride. These sections are among the last needed to complete the full trail from Mount Ruapehu to the Tasman Sea. Minister Stanford and I also announced that, as of yesterday, Chinese visitors are now able to travel visa-free from Australia to New Zealand. Tourism is a key part of our Government\u2019s plan to grow the economy, and these announcements will help do just that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4e9072b33bf44ea814384d0e822000d\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: How will the cycle trail announcement support the regions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022405b303d0c89413d974ffa2b8b3b7de5\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: We know the benefits a thriving tourism and hospitality sector brings to our economy, supporting local regions and communities. Ready-to-go projects, like the cycle trails, will bring more visitors to the Ruapehu region and entice them to stay longer, and boost the central North Island economy. Overseas tourists coming to New Zealand remain a key driver of regional growth, and we want them to experience our great rides. Our Government is fully committed to supporting the regions to thrive, including getting more visitors to every corner of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2846ce4a9794e1fb1c0b76c843a9cc0\u0022\u003ESuze Redmayne\u003C/span\u003E: Why are Chinese visitors important to New Zealand\u2019s tourism market?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f26318f58b94480c866c3a38a4450c27\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: China is New Zealand\u2019s largest trading partner and our third-largest source of international visitors. In the last year alone, we welcomed almost 250,000 Chinese visitors to our land. We also know that over 60 million Chinese travellers are actively considering a visit to New Zealand, and China will play a pivotal role in doubling New Zealand\u2019s exports over the next 10 years. We\u2019re committed to welcoming more Chinese visitors to New Zealand and strengthening the ties between our two countries.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002265a4a1cae44c4c93940046c9f231c9b4\u0022\u003ESuze Redmayne\u003C/span\u003E: How will more international visitors support economic growth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a172ef64d89c429b8b6e02f3d20ebab7\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: By investing in tourism, we are creating opportunities for growth, as tourism supports one in 10 jobs in New Zealand and contributes $44 billion to our economy. Every time a tourist comes to New Zealand and spends money in a local shop, buys food in a local restaurant or cafe, and stays in our accommodation, it\u2019s good for jobs, it\u2019s great for growth, and it\u2019s great for the incomes of New Zealanders. Our message is clear: New Zealand is open for business, and we welcome visitors anytime, anywhere, from any place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225ffe49c3246d42ef9bbd71f2963728c2\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u2014Social Development and Employment\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022 data-id=\u00228f8f5d50455745c299a69b86447bb2a8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E10. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f8f5d50455745c299a69b86447bb2a8\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Social Development and Employment: Does she agree with the Prime Minister\u2019s statement regarding employment, \u201CThey do have jobs. Often what happens is the people will take a job, they don\u2019t stick with it for longer than a couple of days, they don\u2019t show up on time\u201D; if not, why not? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022 data-id=\u002265848b41d92d4ffeaeca1118d1a7a0af\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002265848b41d92d4ffeaeca1118d1a7a0af\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment):\u003C/span\u003E Yes, I do agree with the Prime Minister\u2019s comments that he made about young people. We know young people may need more support and training to be job-ready. We have already made the welfare system more active and have brought back rights and responsibilities with the traffic light system to help people stay on track. We are encouraging New Zealanders to be ready for work, while also backing employers who need committed staff to grow their businesses and our economy. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dc90c595aa0e46d4af70aa059f4266eb\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Would the people of Tokoroa have more jobs right now if they had followed the Prime Minister\u2019s advice and stuck with a job longer than a couple of days and showed up on time?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227aca7a95cb41447ba81bbdd703e35dd1\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the people of Tokoroa, I find that member\u2019s comments offensive. I know that the local MP has spent time with them on Friday, supporting the community with job opportunities, with recruitment agencies, and with on-the-ground support from the Ministry of Social Development and community organisations, and I find that member\u2019s comments offensive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022311eba0f075e448993bb59225ea956bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a92294727b384c0bac0b3d5ab3d63110\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022900c6eba634d40d28106f7725551c0c1\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve got a point of order from Kieran McAnulty, and we may be thinking the same thing, but make your point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022311eba0f075e448993bb59225ea956bb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227289c3e1b9034dc195cb8885da994521\u0022\u003EHon Kieran McAnulty\u003C/span\u003E: If a member finds a comment offensive, then the person who made it should be made to withdraw and apologise. In this instance, the person who made those comments was the Prime Minister. He should be made to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fee9edb4147419db628f4e59060cc4a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, I think\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022078a9b707bd040fdafb58c0b7a6ec96e\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225252f110aa7045d3b6913d88546f66b0\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, speaking to the point of order, I think the member was referring to the comments of\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e5a82a4b88a4365ad17e7934db6cc1c\u0022\u003EHon Louise Upston\u003C/span\u003E: I was, and, speaking to the point of order, that member is speaking about a quote that has nothing to do with Tokoroa and he might want to check his facts before raising it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221a42fe381342475896e3f71442364907\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to say that I did not find the member\u2019s statement or question offensive to the people of Tokoroa. I took it more that there have been some job losses over there, and the member may wish to clarify that because it didn\u2019t sound offensive to me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e2b1eab52bc4eb5ab3747f45dd1bef2\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, the comment was made about young people. There are young people in Tokoroa who no longer have employment, and I wanted to know whether that related to them or not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a837855619e4d6da36590918681bfaa\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. You can ask the next question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f27593428be8451a9ee15ab1bc546662\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the local people of Tokoroa, who have said that cutting their trade training capabilities right after so many job losses is just another \u201Ckick in the guts\u201D; if not, why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220259eb5b694c4bd08bd7ec27a74b5b71\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: I would really encourage the member to get her facts straight. In terms of the Toi Ohomai Institute of Technology, the Minister responsible for vocational education has ensured that there is additional funding available for Toi Ohomai, both for the Tokoroa campus and for the Taup\u014D campus, to ensure that training is available on the ground.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a49cd7db584e46dd8f53d4df66d535c5\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Why then did her Government force Toi Ohomai to cut jobs in trade training right after record job losses in the very same region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3c5087f2aad40e4b1b7a2e54a22f376\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: I think the member is confusing a number of things, and, as I\u2019ve said, she might want to get her facts straight about Toi Ohomai in the centre of the North Island and the campuses in Tokoroa and Taup\u014D. The member of Parliament for Taup\u014D has worked incredibly closely with the council and with businesses on the ground to ensure that there is training available. What I don\u2019t think is particularly helpful in this House is to bring in the lives of a challenged group of locals who have lost their jobs recently. I feel for them and their families, and I don\u2019t believe it is suitable for that member to be dragging them into this House with issues that are actually factually incorrect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275196fea536843959380797b20433964\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I believe the member is asking questions on their behalf, rather than targeting her questions at them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227acfc62f328f4213b9d0292ce2ff8c91\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the Prime Minister\u2019s statement that employers in the Hawke\u2019s Bay are \u201Ccrying out\u201D for young people; if so, why are there 7,359 job seekers but only 568 advertised jobs in the Hawke\u2019s Bay?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f76f08af98cf4350979296d708631eed\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I would like to just encourage that member to realise that we are seeing some really positive signs. If you look at the increase recently in the online job advertisements, it shows that there are increased opportunities in construction and hospitality, of which there are jobs in the Hawke\u2019s Bay. I would encourage members to look at where there are positive opportunities, instead of doubling down on those who have challenges.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ce5d6f3f866144588f37081503d1739f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0aa42e22cb6472c8e66dd81c9c21e87\u0022\u003EHon Todd McClay\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister seen media reports of the hard work of the member of Parliament for Taup\u014D in working to ensure that Toi Ohomai\u2019s campuses in Taup\u014D and also in Tokoroa remain open and that they were facing significant changes that would have led to a lack of training locally in those communities as a result of the significant wasteful spending of the last Government and a wasteful reorganisation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb730b85d8414f448590b9aba5ea5b3c\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I have seen reports of the work that the local member of Parliament has been doing on the ground with stakeholders, with the council, with Toi Ohomai, with the unions, with the community organisations, and with other training providers and other polytechs, and I\u2019m sure that training\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8beb35f5b594e80b16768262017749b\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: And that\u2019s a long enough answer.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228ad9e8f5e8cb4273a0c888fa707d98d4\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. Was she answering that question with the P\u0101keh\u0101 translation \u201CTow-po\u201D, or from the M\u0101ori translation of Taup\u014D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022faacb2fe3f0c4c2186b1b50a5c37e4c8\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: She was saying it in her form of pronunciation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea1a1d59cd9e48b2b39a06fdb09a6262\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: How can she agree with the Prime Minister and say that there are jobs available when 600 people applied for one casual job at mini-putt golf in this region?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002215080e7fbe3a4bfc9d4e668dd042447f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e296d9dd58e04a5d8bc6d6dbe3c2fb45\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: As I\u2019ve said, there is positive annual growth. It\u2019s up 10 percent for the construction industry, 10.2 percent for the IT industry, 6.8 percent for the hospitality industry, and 2.9 percent for the primary industries. We should be positive. We should be looking forward\u2014as well as the 240,000 jobs that are coming over the next couple of years because of this Government\u2019s investment in infrastructure and this Government\u2019s work to unleash businesses by getting rid of red and green tape. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d4ced2600eca45989dfa0c8dff86acef\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u2014Trade and Investment\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eae59f3e82d4436096e2ee11043f94d6\u0022 data-id=\u0022bc6c43553af24cfebaabe09f785465a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eae59f3e82d4436096e2ee11043f94d6\u0022\u003E11. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bc6c43553af24cfebaabe09f785465a1\u0022\u003EPAULO GARCIA (National\u2014New Lynn)\u003C/span\u003E to the Minister for Trade and Investment: What has the Government recently announced about strengthening trade and economic ties with Singapore and Chile?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ce5d6f3f866144588f37081503d1739f\u0022 data-id=\u002262df1e8ea9884ad09d6033cf2d54f321\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ce5d6f3f866144588f37081503d1739f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002262df1e8ea9884ad09d6033cf2d54f321\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY (Minister for Trade and Investment):\u003C/span\u003E Just last Friday, at APEC in Korea, along with the Prime Minister, the Prime Minister of Singapore, and the President of Chile, we launched negotiations for the Green Economy Partnership Agreement, or GEPA. This will be a high-quality agreement that boosts trade and investment between our countries and will drive economic growth in New Zealand. This agreement will position New Zealand businesses at the forefront of the growing global green economy, which is expected to be valued at $19 trillion by 2040.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eae59f3e82d4436096e2ee11043f94d6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222327ac99da1140b4a5dacd9fda7963b4\u0022\u003EPaulo Garcia\u003C/span\u003E: What are the key pillars of the Green Economy Partnership Agreement?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ce5d6f3f866144588f37081503d1739f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe548017728347b9b43161ce7382f737\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: The GEPA, as it\u2019s called, will cover many innovative areas, including sustainable finance and investment, green goods and services, sustainable agricultural food systems, and low-emissions fuel alternatives. It aims to bring down barriers, lower costs, and reduce tariff rates across the green economy, and, once completed, it will be open to other countries to join. Our shared vision for the GEPA is to support new trade opportunities and efficiencies for businesses, reinforce the rules-based order of international trade, and lower trade barriers while achieving climate change action.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eae59f3e82d4436096e2ee11043f94d6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3744c69336d4eac8209e50454e2cf3f\u0022\u003EPaulo Garcia\u003C/span\u003E: How does trade and investment support sustainable growth?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ce5d6f3f866144588f37081503d1739f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4c7a60aef794ebfbf6a0890cdd3f183\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the Government believes that solutions to environmental challenges, including climate change, will come from having greater trade and cooperation with other countries, not less, and through investment in new technologies, not putting up costs on businesses or putting them out of business. The GEPA will drive investment in innovation and trade with Singapore and Chile and, in turn, it will mean more exports and more investment for higher-paying jobs for New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eae59f3e82d4436096e2ee11043f94d6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228916980a5ee84b49aa5183fb43bbf415\u0022\u003EPaulo Garcia\u003C/span\u003E: What other agreements has the Government announced with Singapore and Chile?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ce5d6f3f866144588f37081503d1739f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284ad1bab486d41dd931e6da96bc117d3\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: Well, successive Governments have worked away with these two countries. New Zealand, Singapore, and Chile have a proud history of shared leadership in developing innovative trade agreements to drive innovation and economic growth, from the P4 agreement, which went on to be the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement, to, then, the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership\u2014and the CPTPP\u2014the Digital Economy Partnership Agreement, and, more recently, the New Zealand - Singapore Comprehensive Strategic Partnership was agreed with Singapore and it had been worked on for some time. All of these agreements have benefited New Zealand exporters, and this is why the Government is committed to doubling the value of exports over 10 years through agreements like the GEPA. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221c2844b1116f41379069cd97f1c23964\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u2014Prime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022 data-id=\u00224a5371a653f14269ae46a393868a8c11\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003E12. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224a5371a653f14269ae46a393868a8c11\u0022\u003ERAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori)\u003C/span\u003E to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022 data-id=\u0022add816dfa79747d5b43b5ee91c8b50f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022add816dfa79747d5b43b5ee91c8b50f7\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister):\u003C/span\u003E Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022432d669650c449bc825641fc181caf2d\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: Why has his Government chosen to punish success by defunding M\u0101ori health infrastructure that saved lives and performed better than many State services during the pandemic in regard to vaccination?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aeeefb5112d84e6eafc23b557db07331\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Because this Government is determined to lift health outcomes for M\u0101ori and the way to do that is to focus on lifting immunisation rates for under-twos, and I would just love that member to come out and have a policy idea on doing exactly that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022288da034ee4e43b48a34db35570279cb\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: If those vaccination rates are to increase, why have M\u0101ori vaccination rates plummeted, and what is his Government going to do about it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7355f8eb7e34044b140d5416c5487cb\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, this Government in the very first few weeks partnered with M\u0101ori health organisations, I think, from memory, to the tune of about $50 million. It has achieved really outstanding and excellent results, not just with M\u0101ori kids getting immunised, but non-M\u0101ori kids, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220248dd4162c9461f99fd94bd810c1170\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister believe that teaching our children about Te Tiriti is the foundation of a bicultural nation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b38cba358874106a0405488aa146f56\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, we are, but what we believe is that the number one priority is actually academic achievement and teaching our kids the basics brilliantly, whether they\u2019re M\u0101ori or non-M\u0101ori. This is a Government that has done more in two years, with an outstanding Minister, than the previous Ministers did in the previous six. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f37928b542a470ea66b769769125a6f\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: Is he going to ban visits not just to marae but to churches, museums, and mosques also\u2014when does this Government\u2019s intrusion on where our children can learn and visit end?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aab7f222ea3f4390a42a7f3b04c3589c\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m confused by the question as to the relevance of the question, but what is unambiguous is that this is a Government that is focused on lifting M\u0101ori academic achievement, and it would be fantastic if that member and his party had any ideas and any policy contribution to that. We have done more to lift M\u0101ori educational outcomes than in the previous six years, and let me give you an example. M\u0101ori new entrants are operating at or above expectations on the phonics checks 20 weeks into schooling life: it\u2019s up 18 percent. M\u0101ori kids needing targeted extra support is down 15 percent because we are teaching the basics brilliantly, and we make no apologies for doing so. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022528134adfa6c4ba1a72e2cdf9c07bd9e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf01892e04334120b6b890b8db115941\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: On the matter of statements and actions, is the Prime Minister aware that the term \u201Cwehewehe k\u0101inga\u201D means splits and divisions lead both to doom and a political tomb?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022583ed1dd3c514b09b713b357719d6d8d\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Prime Minister doesn\u2019t have any responsibility for that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df6922162e6f47de88313cf2c61002da\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister proud of the Government\u2019s\u2014[Interruption]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3232d4ba733465e91b59f7c251d8a42\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Quiet, we\u2019re having a question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef33025f3b194b7b8550927d26c04854\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014charter school kura hourua policy, which has seen schools such as Te Rito in the Far North, TIPINE in South Auckland, and, soon, Te Aratika in Hawke\u2019s Bay open to empower M\u0101ori to learn on their terms in their way?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bce0b54dfd1e4bfda659e7958b5ac04e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bf94d0ef8d3842e1af06abf4b1fd1026\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I am, and there are 17 charter schools now in motion and it\u2019s important. Iwi leaders that I\u2019ve spoken are very supportive of charter schools\u2014even Willie Jackson is a fan. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285aad7a32e4441488acf3165a51627aa\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That concludes oral questions, and in the spirit of the House, I\u2019m going to give people 30 seconds to quietly leave the House without having conversations. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cbr\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00229b863db34bf34e41afdbdf3a0c1c3b54\u0022\u003ERegulatory Standards Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00226923a34a942a4f2ebcc92e8b7c3dc586\u0022\u003EDischarge\u2014Leave Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022 data-id=\u00221fa47040f2ac46e594cd28d18b02032d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221fa47040f2ac46e594cd28d18b02032d\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Mr Speaker. I seek leave for the order of the day for the second reading of the Regulatory Standards Bill to be discharged.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022 data-id=\u00222b464101fe6040ea83932d4653d2e789\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222b464101fe6040ea83932d4653d2e789\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave is sought for that purpose. Is there any objection?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c70162c3c5ad4fe381fa73e3a9a1110e\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201addd68795f4b698a151e89606aac71\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Leave denied.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022686e20c051784b0985edb160bc2ef493\u0022\u003ERegulatory Standards Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228578d5ad22184a7bb1673cd6df86a13a\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u00222ba04008148d4cf78b33dca7c5fb185b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222ba04008148d4cf78b33dca7c5fb185b\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Minister for Regulation):\u003C/span\u003E I present a legislative statement on the Regulatory Standards Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238ec5ea0bfb446ce819abc9a52e9c3f8\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223977b383326348109a6ad92c01564f6a\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Regulatory Standards Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThis bill is a crucial piece of legislation for improving the long-term quality of regulation in our country and, ultimately, allowing New Zealanders to live longer, happier, healthier, and wealthier lives. In a nutshell, if red tape and regulation are holding New Zealanders back because politicians find it politically rewarding to tie them in red tape, then we need to make regulating less rewarding for politicians by putting more sunlight on their activities. That is how the Regulatory Standards Bill will help New Zealand get its mojo back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThis bill turns the explanation from politicians passing laws that restrict our freedoms from \u201CBecause we said so\u201D into \u201CBecause here is the justification, according to a set of principles.\u201D To the rest of my colleagues across the House: if you want to tax someone, if you want to take or impair their property, if you want to restrict their livelihood, well, you can still do it, but you\u2019ll face tough questions about the impact that those actions have on people\u2019s property rights, their freedom, and the compliance of your proposal with the rule of law. It does this by introducing principles of responsible regulation into primary legislation, with a focus on good lawmaking processes and the effect of lawmaking on existing interests and liberties.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EWhen making legislation, agencies and lawmakers will have to consider the principles and be transparent about those considerations. Agencies will need to confirm that the legislation and the process for developing it has been reviewed for consistency with the principles, and summarise any inconsistencies with those principles. That work will need to be published, and, where an inconsistency is identified, the responsible Minister or the maker of any secondary legislation will need to explain the reasons why.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s put that into perspective by considering some issues that matter to Kiwis and how the Regulatory Standards Bill helps us avoid such mistakes. Earthquake regulations\u2014recently repealed, and not a day too soon\u2014have cost Kiwis billions. Saving $8.2 billion is what will occur when we remove these earthquake standards. Too many people have suffered and had their livelihoods taken away because a Parliament and a group of politicians decided that being seen to do the right thing at a moment in time was more important than the underlying rights of New Zealanders. The warnings were there\u2014I voted against that legislation myself\u2014but nobody took the warnings seriously enough, and it was only nine years and billions of dollars later that we are able to start putting those valuable resources into things like car crashes and cancers that, sadly, kill so many more Kiwis.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EI want to touch on one change that\u2019s been made to one of the principles of good regulation that has been particularly topical: the takings principle. That principle provides that \u201Clegislation should not take or impair property without the consent of the owner unless there is good justification and fair compensation is provided.\u201D The inclusion of \u201Cimpairment\u201D is essential to the intent of the bill, which is to focus attention on the impact of legislation on existing interests and liberties as well as good lawmaking processes. When the Government is considering passing legislation that impairs property rights, the nature and extent of that impairment should be made clear, and relief should be considered. However, the committee\u2019s change clarifies that the principle is intended to address situations where there is a high degree of impairment, not simply any impairment. Therefore, a reference to \u201Csevere impairment\u201D has been added, which means the principle will not be engaged when there is not a severe level of impairment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThe bill does not require any action to be taken or compensation to be paid; the responsible Minister can provide a statement of reasons why they consider a severe impairment to be justified, and, if not paying compensation, the reasons for that position. However, the point is that this principle will make it easier for Parliament and the public to see where property rights are being severely impaired, with the intent of helping to reduce instances where impaired property rights without compensation lead to New Zealanders being so much poorer. I look forward to the committee of the whole House stage, when we can talk about the specifics of this bill in further detail. Overall, I\u2019m proud to be responsible for a piece of legislation that is going to bring discipline and transparency to New Zealand\u2019s lawmaking processes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThis bill, when enforced, is going to support the people of New Zealand by ensuring them that serious consideration is being given to legislation that impacts on their lives and livelihoods. If we\u2019re asking New Zealanders to comply with regulations in everyday life, then it\u2019s only reasonable to ensure that they\u2019re clear, consistent, and meet a certain standard. When they do not meet that standard, the public rightfully expects lawmakers to be transparent about that fact. The passing of the Regulatory Standards Bill in later stages will take us a step closer to a more principled, transparent, and accountable process for making legislation in New Zealand. It will help build confidence in the legislative process, support better outcomes for New Zealanders, and ensure that our regulatory system is fit for purpose in the 21st century.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve been very interested to see how easily people have mischaracterised this bill in the debate that has ensued, and I would like to touch on two changes, or two objections, that I think are misguided. One has been the repeated assertion that, somehow, the Regulatory Standards Bill imposes restrictions on Parliament and, therefore, is undemocratic. The law is crystal clear; it\u2019s there in black and white. The purpose of this law is to promote accountability and transparency to the Parliament by the executive. This enables our democracy; it enables greater transparency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EBuilding on that misconception has been another widely shared in the public domain that, somehow, the principles are inadequate because they don\u2019t include all of the objectives that the Government might have. A Government might wish to uphold the Treaty of Waitangi; it might wish to pursue goals around equity or public health or environmental protection. The fact that those are not included as principles reflects the fact that every initiative brought to this House and every regulation made by a Government is already assumed to have a public purpose. It is already assumed to have a purpose like one of the ones that I listed. The purpose of this bill is to enable and make transparent the Government of the day, to be able to show the public, and for the public to be able to see, where that collective purpose and the pursuit of it is impairing the rights of ordinary people. It\u2019s not a surprise that it doesn\u2019t include collective goals; the purpose of the law is to show when ordinary people\u2019s rights are being impaired.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to thank the Finance and Expenditure Committee for its very efficient consideration of the bill. I would like to also acknowledge the changes that they have made to the Regulatory Standards Board, in my view, strengthening the bill by enhancing its independence and by saying that it will be reinforced by the Governor-General rather than the Minister for Regulation. I believe that that is going to make the Regulatory Standards Board a much more august body with more authority, and it will allow that board to further raise the quality of the consistency accountability statements. Without further ado, I thank everybody for listening, and I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022da0acfbf30164212930a3d6c8b1cd0a7\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022 data-id=\u0022d8c45042f4cd4915b0cc0f97a9769dff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d8c45042f4cd4915b0cc0f97a9769dff\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Kia orana e te Mana Whakaw\u0101. Well, here we have it: a bill that 0.7 percent of submitters supported. Here, it is hard to find a bill which fewer people are in favour of, but this National Government is the lapdog of the ACT Party in this instance: sitting there and doing the ACT Party\u2019s bidding. The real irony of that speech by David Seymour is that this bill is one of the worst in terms of regulatory quality that I have ever seen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EDo you know who said that? The Ministry for Regulation and the Ministry of Justice in the regulatory impact statement. They said this bill has been poorly consulted on; it hasn\u2019t got a problem that it needs to address; even if there was one, it\u2019s the wrong solution; and the Minister won\u2019t let us do our job and explore other options. That is how you make bad law, and that is what we\u2019ve got here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EOne thing that struck me about the submissions process was the long list of submitters who came in and gave really thoughtful submissions. Not people from particular perspectives, but NGOs, even Government organisations, came in and said this is a bad idea. You know who looks after our legislative quality at the moment? The Legislation Design and Advisory Committee. Excellent body, thoughtful people; hate politics. They said, \u201C[these] principles are novel and deeply contestable\u201D\u2014in other words, this is not a straightforward bill; this is a politically charged, ideological bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EWhat did the New Zealand Law Society say? \u201CIt is striking that the process and content of a Bill purporting to promote good law-making and high-quality legislation should fail to meet not only the Bill\u2019s own standards, but the existing established processes for supporting good law-making.\u201D So it\u2019s a bad bill. The New Zealand Human Rights Commission, our independent human rights body: \u201CThe Bill embeds a narrow set of principles that prioritise individual and private interests as paramount considerations in lawmaking, effectively sidelining wider considerations of collective wellbeing\u201D. The Human Rights Commission hates this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThen you\u2019ve got a whole lot of regional councils. The Greater Wellington Regional Council: this bill \u201CWill impact on local government, creating legal risks, inefficiency, complexity and increased costs\u201D. Does that sound like good law to you? I picked those quotes because they are not politically aligned. They haven\u2019t got an axe to grind. They are thoughtful people who explained why this bill is bad law. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EOf course, David Seymour says, \u201CHere\u2019s my list of regulatory principles, but don\u2019t worry, you can have other things in there. You know, just because I haven\u2019t mentioned Te Tiriti o Waitangi doesn\u2019t mean it\u2019s not in there.\u201D That is rubbish, because what this bill does is it highlights what, in his view, are the most important principles. At the top of that hierarchy are private property rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThis bill is seeking to entrench, by the back door, private property rights as a constitutional principle. In fact, the chief economist of his own Ministry for Regulation wrote a paper saying that private property rights are the most important human right not currently in our law, so we can see where it\u2019s coming from. These principles are totally selective. Private property is not a guiding light for good legislation and regulation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThe fact of the matter is that equal treatment\u2014the second principle, stating that everyone should be treated equally\u2014is shorthand for the status quo. It\u2019s shorthand for saying, \u201CTake the existing inequalities in our society and don\u2019t seek to address them.\u201D It\u2019s saying, \u201CWhere wealth has accumulated, leave it there.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EWell, on this side of the House, we believe in equity. We believe in addressing the inequities which are troubling our society. Of course, not only is it silent on the Treaty, it\u2019s silent on all kinds of other key principles. All of our international obligations\u2014nowhere in that bill does it say we should adhere to the promises we as a nation have made in the international community, whether they be around human rights or whether they be around defence and trade. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EHuman rights; what does it say about gender? What does it say about disability? What does it say about race? It says absolutely nothing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa7b2fb759b842b0bec1b07f74bfbbf1\u0022\u003ECameron Luxton\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re not debating human rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250d62a136593492491f3878ce93dda6f\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB\u003C/span\u003E: No\u2014well, the ACT Party doesn\u2019t want to debate human rights. The ACT Party is not interested in human rights; the ACT Party is interested in property rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThis bill is constitutionally significant. It is about how law is made. Now, the fact of the matter is that for a constitutional bill, the process has been shocking. A constitutional bill should be careful, thoughtful, and, ideally, engaging on a cross-party basis. This has been anything but. This bill is seeking to entrench property rights into our lawmaking process by stealth and at speed. It basically promotes private property interests over collective benefits.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EFundamentally, this is about looking after corporate interests, because if we think about all of those rules there, all of those impairment rules, if we try to protect our communities, if we try to reduce the use of vapes, or if we try to limit alcohol advertising, all of these are impairments. Now, David Seymour would say, \u201CWell, you can do it; you just have to say why.\u201D, but we know that putting sand in the gears of legislation makes things less likely to happen, and that\u2019s what he wants to do. He wants to tilt the playing field in favour of corporate interests. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003ELook, even the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment came along\u2014not known as a great supporter of the left, but he came along\u2014and he had a lot to say. The most important thing he had to say is this: this bill puts the environment at risk, because nowhere does the environment feature. When your bureaucrats are doing their bureaucratic job, and all of this new blue tape and yellow tape that David Seymour\u2019s creating\u2014as they\u2019re running through their checklist, where does it say, \u201CHow does this impact climate change?\u201D \u201CHow does this impact biodiversity?\u201D \u201CHow does this impact sustainability?\u201D? It doesn\u2019t say it anywhere, because at the heart of it, this bill is putting property and private interests over community environment and sustainability.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThe bill, also, is just a failure. It\u2019s an absolute procedural and regulatory failure. As I\u2019ve said, it failed its own regulatory impact statement. The very thing it says we should do, which is check a bill for good process, that was examined, and they said it didn\u2019t meet good process. Probably the most important thing, if we have an issue with regulatory quality in New Zealand, the question is: what\u2019s the best way to fix it? The short answer, by everyone who was asked the question, is: not this. We have a whole lot of rules out there already, a whole lot of bodies\u2014the Attorney-General, the Legislation Design and Advisory Committee, the Regulations Review Committee, every select committee, and the list goes on, of quality checks that exist for legislation which aren\u2019t engaged in sufficiently already, largely because this Government ignores them and rides roughshod over them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThis year, we had a situation where the scope of the question was limited. David Seymour, against all his own advice, came into this with a closed mind, poor problem definition, and a solution that was in place before the problem was identified. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EBut here\u2019s the other thing: this bill will cost a fortune. Not only will he have to set up his Regulatory Standards Board\u2014his a little pet board\u2014at a cost of probably $2 million or $3 million but every ministry will have to follow his new yellow tape; all of his rules he\u2019s put in place. How much will that cost? Well, the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment said that department alone will have to spend 15 percent of its time following David Seymour\u2019s little rules at a cost of $60 million\u2014$60 million. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dbb834e3432b43ff9a07582d74b3b920\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, rubbish.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ef834f345f740b2ae0e11be26b4af2c\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB\u003C/span\u003E: You can rubbish it, David Seymour, but you\u2019ve seen the report, and you know it. It\u2019s a total waste of money.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThe second thing, or the final thing, is this: this bill puts into the hands of the Regulatory Standards Board the job of questioning what we do here. That\u2019s their job: second-guessing Parliament\u2014and for a party that talks about parliamentary sovereignty, that lies ill in your mouth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThe bill is a waste of money, it doesn\u2019t meet its own standards, it\u2019s narrow, it\u2019s contested, and it\u2019s a constitutional change by self. We will oppose this bill to the end.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022 data-id=\u002212fff9ba335d4906b2c1129c1479d480\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212fff9ba335d4906b2c1129c1479d480\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E E te M\u0101ngai, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e te Whare. I guess at the end of the day, the real question for this House is precisely who asked for this piece of legislation. It wasn\u2019t health experts, it wasn\u2019t the legal profession, and it definitely wasn\u2019t former Prime Ministers and those who have led former political parties. It wasn\u2019t regular New Zealanders; in fact, regular New Zealanders decided to overwhelmingly oppose this piece of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EIf we just boil it down to the two main threads of arguments that were heard at the Finance and Expenditure Committee and have been well canvassed in the media landscape over the last few months as this Minister for Regulation has decided to push this legislation, through despite the overwhelming opposition, on the one side, we\u2019ve heard that it\u2019s largely redundant, that it is going to be duplicative, and, as indeed, Dr Duncan Webb alluded to, it\u2019ll be expensive. Then on the other side of the debate, at the most egregious end, we hear very clearly that what this legislation does is provide a framework for multinational corporations to be compensated by the people of this country when this Parliament decides to curtail their supposed right to destroy our shared environment, our climate, or to incur on our human rights.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EI think, again, one of those foundational questions\u2014we hear a heck of a lot from the libertarian or the supposed libertarian party in this place is about special treatment for certain demographics in our country\u2014we have to ask ourselves is: who, really, is getting special treatment in this country? Frequently, we hear the Minister in charge of this legislation say that it is precisely the same communities and demographics who are disproportionately overrepresented in every single negative statistic in our society. We then don\u2019t hear next to anything about the corporations who are exploiting both people and planet; in fact, they seek to pass this legislation which makes it easier for them to do precisely that exploitation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EI find it quite fascinating that we are indeed having this debate about how a law is made; this law being the constraints of the rules of how we are supposed to progress with making legislation into the future. We have a situation where the Minister couldn\u2019t follow his own rules. He wants to talk about good lawmaking, yet he couldn\u2019t even uphold the processes of good lawmaking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EToday, the Minister of Education is removing Te Tiriti obligations from schools and saying that it is the Crown\u2019s obligation to uphold those obligations, yet we have represented in this very piece of legislation the removal and the de-prioritisation of Te Tiriti as a principle that is to be considered in good lawmaking practices. Which leads us to the statement from the Waitangi Tribunal, and here I quote from their urgent inquiry report none the less, that the Crown accepted that its policy development for the bill occurred without targeted engagement for M\u0101ori. The tribunal found that this was in violation of the Crown\u2019s obligation to consult with M\u0101ori in good faith and therefore violated Treaty principles of partnership and active protection.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EFurther, we hear from the likes of the Legislation Design and Advisory Committee, who submitted on the first round of the design of this legislation\u2014which I might add had approximately 25,000 submissions, which again were overwhelmingly opposed to this legislation. They said, at that point in time, that they had, \u201Cmisgivings about the capacity of this bill to offer improvements\u201D because they see risks with the proposals, including the risk of significant unintended consequences. They then went into three key prongs: the bill is unnecessary to the extent that it restates existing constraints in the principles of good lawmaking. Secondly, the principles contained in the bill are selective and deeply contestable. Thirdly, the bill has the potential for significant constitutional impact that has not been fully explored.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EIf we are to take the Minister\u2019s arguments in good faith, at just that surface level and to ignore all of the behaviour and everything else that he has said about our many communities across this country, if we are to believe that the aim here is to make good law, then surely there should have been a good lawmaking process to produce this very law which would have brought the people of this country along for that process. Instead, what we have ended up with is something whereby, as the Minister would say, it\u2019s the people who are wrong; it\u2019s his own officials who are wrong. It\u2019s the legal experts who are wrong, the environmental experts, the health experts, former Prime Ministers, and the overwhelming majority of regular New Zealanders who used their time to oppose this legislation\u201499 percent of them\u2014only to be ignored yet again by this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EThen we have the impartial Law Society who says, and I quote, \u201CAs well as being the product of inadequate consultation, the content of the Bill itself runs contrary to established precepts of legislative design in various important respects. It is striking that the process and the content of the Bill purporting to promote good law-making and high-quality legislation should fail to meet not only the Bill\u2019s own standards, but the existing established processes for supporting good law-making.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EThen we hear about the red tape\u2014the red tape. Well, let\u2019s just talk for a minute about the yellow tape which the Minister\u2019s own ministry advised him he would be creating with this very piece of legislation. Firstly, the creation of the Regulatory Standards Board, which we\u2019ve just heard will cost in excess of approximately $3 million of taxpayers\u2019 dollars per year. Then there are the new compliance costs with the requirements for each ministry and agency and department to create a consistency accountability statement. Then thirdly, at the conservative estimate of $60 million per year, the requirements to review existing legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EAgain, I\u2019d make the core point that if the Government genuinely wanted to engage on the point of how we make good law and improve our constitutional arrangements in this country, we\u2019re game. We\u2019d be totally down for that, because, in fact, I think that it would be great if we could have some form of agreement about the values and the principles that guide this country. But what we instead, unfortunately, have represented here is a pet vanity project from one guy in one political party that has sought to pass this legislation three times and failed, until it met such a poor negotiator as our current Prime Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EOn those foundational values, well, I hold the very earnest, and perhaps some on the Government side might say na\u00EFve, view that New Zealanders actually care about each other and the planet that we live on. But those principles, well, they\u2019re nowhere to be seen as far as the design of this legislation. Again, we would make the point that if the Government wanted to actually meaningfully engage on how we could go about creating these better processes, the Greens absolutely would have been the first ones sitting around the table. Unfortunately, what we have here is the entrenchment of special rights for those who currently own things.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EAs we well canvassed in question time today, this Government cares not a whisker for addressing inequality\u2014inequality which is compounding under intentional Government decisions that have been made to push more children into poverty, to make more people homeless, to increase our climate changing emissions, and in turn the cost of living for New Zealanders, whilst also making it more difficult for our farmers to farm; guess what! They\u2019re the ones hit first and worst by climate change. If we wanted legislation that actually addressed these issues, we could be debating that here in the Chamber today, but instead, we unfortunately have this petty, petty vanity project. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just make the other point that you kind of can\u2019t have it both ways. On one side of things, the Government is saying, \u201CDon\u2019t worry. Nothing to see here. This is kind of just business as usual. This aligns with stuff that\u2019s kind of already happening and in train.\u201D But then on the other side, we\u2019ve got a Minister professing that this is a bit of a foundational shift in our constitutional arrangement. Again, I think I tend to believe the latter, because what we\u2019ve seen from our Prime Minister is an inability to grasp the detail of the things that he has negotiated and put our country on the line for, in order to cobble together this coalition Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EI just make, in my final 30 seconds, an appeal to the New Zealand First Party. Will the New Zealand First Party please stand up? Here is an opportunity to truly put New Zealand first. One of our Amendment Papers which will be tabled at the committee of the whole House stage will be to stop non-citizens from taking complaints and seeking compensation from the Regulatory Standards Board and we look forward to New Zealand First supporting New Zealand first. We oppose this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224b2f5c45d42a433893ae6677b9a7307d\u0022 data-id=\u0022b540364c9d3045df9f7fd24ca5c8a985\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224b2f5c45d42a433893ae6677b9a7307d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b540364c9d3045df9f7fd24ca5c8a985\u0022\u003ECAMERON BREWER (National\u2014Upper Harbour):\u003C/span\u003E The Regulatory Standards Bill gives effect to National\u2019s coalition agreement with ACT. As chair of the relatively collegial Finance and Expenditure Committee, we also undertook extensive consultation on these matters. We heard approximately 30 hours of oral evidence and received over 159,000 written submissions. Of course, this follows last year\u2019s departmental consultation which attracted 23,000 submissions. FEC\u2014the Finance and Expenditure Committee\u2014canvassed a range of views and took a relatively liberal and cross-party approach as to who we would hear from and its acceptance of submissions. Following many submitters\u2019 feedback, key amendments to this bill have seen a best-practice tightening of the board and chair\u2019s independence and separation from the Minister and Government of the day, consistent with the provisions within the Crown Entities Act. I want to congratulate the ACT Party on what has been over 20 years of advocacy and hard work. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022dd8e3373a1e7446bb28d6db4e8cab8ef\u0022 data-id=\u002257b8d2980e0148b08a258c39b427a42c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dd8e3373a1e7446bb28d6db4e8cab8ef\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002257b8d2980e0148b08a258c39b427a42c\u0022\u003EHon CASEY COSTELLO (Minister of Customs):\u003C/span\u003E I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to speak on the Regulatory Standards Bill second reading. New Zealand First supports this bill because it promotes open and accountable Government that legislates with key principles in mind: the rule of law, efficiency and regulation, property rights, an independent judiciary, and a belief that every New Zealander is created equal before the law.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022dd8e3373a1e7446bb28d6db4e8cab8ef\u0022\u003EThe bill upholds equality before the law, it promotes openness and accountability in Government, and it ensures that property holders cannot be dispossessed of their property without fair compensation, and cost-benefit analysis of legislation ensures that economic policies that will impede productivity and growth are adequately scrutinised. For these reasons, New Zealand First commends the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022 data-id=\u00221c5837d0460845179336f4fb2333b58d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c5837d0460845179336f4fb2333b58d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The next call is a split call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022 data-id=\u00224eb69755a1d6437fb41c3ab06016859a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224eb69755a1d6437fb41c3ab06016859a\u0022\u003ERAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E E te iwi, the Treaty principles bill tried to change the meaning and the intent of Te Tiriti o Waitangi; the Regulatory Standards Bill (RSB) erases Te Tiriti entirely from Aotearoa\u2019s democracy, without even mentioning it. This bill creates a world of minimal-to-no rules in order to ensure the profitability of all things; \u201Call things\u201D means at the expense of our people, our oranga, our labour, our whenua, our moana. The bill circumvents the rights you already have, by treating those rights as rules which the Government can consider inefficient and unprofitable. E k\u012B, e k\u012B.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003E[What a cheek.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003ETe Tiriti o Waitangi is the first and the last line of defence against corporate exploitation in Aotearoa. This bill and the sham select committee process to ram it through the House is proof that true democracy doesn\u2019t exist in this country. This is what the Treaty principles bill, the takutai moana amendment Act, and the removal of Treaty clauses from legislation are really about: dismantling our collective rights to allow the Atlas Network - backed foreign companies to plunder lands, water, and resources. It creates an anti - Waitangi Tribunal, giving David Seymour\u2019s unelected mates the power to review every single law that addresses systemic inequality.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003EMake no mistake, e hika m\u0101, the Treaty principles bill was a distraction. Chris Luxon\u2019s donors only allowed him to vote against it because they knew this bill was coming next. The Regulatory Standards Bill is a direct assault on the constitutional foundations that protect all New Zealanders from exploitation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003EFor te iwi M\u0101ori, this looks like \u201CYour rights are now rules.\u201D that the Government can deregulate as they see fit, especially when these rights are held collectively\u2014for example, as a part of the common public good, or as hap\u016B and iwi. These rights create costs that the Government, under the Regulatory Standards Bill, can deem to be unnecessary. Our people know this and this is why 98.7 percent of New Zealanders oppose the Regulatory Standards Bill, and yet not a single recommendation provided by the people was adopted. Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori stand with the majority of the 156,000-plus people who made submissions against the bill because they knew what this bill means for Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003EFor our remote and rural communities, this bill means the emergency services and authorities can make decisions about who and where to help in a crisis, based on efficiency rather than need\u2014because it\u2019s more expensive to help everybody\u2014and this looks like our more marginalised rural communities being left behind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003EFor our community kai gatherers and wh\u0101nau who rely on the moana as a k\u0101pata, the bill would enable the Government to smash our fisheries even further. For example, a rule about putting cameras on boats to monitor fisheries and illegal dumping can be argued as being inefficient because it is an unnecessary cost, with no regard for our moana or our people, who depend on it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003EWhat this means for our kaum\u0101tua is that this bill would enable Governments to raise the age of eligibility for our nannies and koros to access their super, or to significantly alter the scheme completely. For our learning support kaimahi and their tauira, this bill would allow the Government to justify reducing M\u0101ori curriculum content that would require expertise and new staff to deliver it\u2014an additional cost that they would be able to label as inefficient purely due to the expense rather than need. The cost of education should not cost our mokopuna the ability to be supported in our education system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003EFor our wh\u0101nau rangatahi on social welfare, right now, the Government is moving debt off its own balance sheet and placing the debt as an obligation on our parents, even though rangatahi are entitled to these provisions as citizens of the State. These decisions were made without the RSB even being in place, and yet, under the RSB, the situation could become the enforced norm.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003EFor our country dealing with the cost of living crisis, without rules the supermarkets will not bring the prices of food down by themselves. Their first priority is making money for their owners\u2014which fits the purpose of the RSB\u2014not ensuring that people have access to kai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002279280329f21f4c12bf4c6a97300575d0\u0022\u003EI want to mihi to the 156,879 people who made powerful submissions in the resistance to this racist bill, the multitudes of people who donate their time, their expertise, and their aroha to fighting for the kaupapa, only to be ignored. This Government won\u2019t listen to you, but Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori have heard you. We will get rid of this Government in 2026, and the Regulatory Standards Bill along with it. Kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022 data-id=\u00224940c084382249108abde38fa6a35682\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224940c084382249108abde38fa6a35682\u0022\u003EFRANCISCO HERNANDEZ (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise in anger to denounce the Regulatory Standards Bill. I would describe this bill as a wet fart of a dying Government that\u2019s run out of ideas, that\u2019s incompetent of doing what everyday New Zealanders want.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EAt a time when our economy is at a record low and our unemployment is at a record high, at a time when a measles outbreak is rising out of control, and property damage from a climate-exacerbated natural disaster is still being repaired all around the country, you would think that this Government would be focused on that and the real issues. But, no, they\u2019ve put this at the top of the Order Paper. Why? Because, fundamentally, they\u2019re a distracted, out-of-touch, ideological Government that\u2019s focused more on their imported culture wars and their pet projects than serving the needs of ordinary New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s been a number of super-heated, inflated claims about this bill from the other side. The first claim that\u2019s been made by the proponents of it\u2014and, by the way, we\u2019ve seen speeches from the opposite benches. We\u2019ve had Mr Seymour not even give the full speech\u2014eight minutes\u2014we\u2019ve had a one-minute speech from Mr Brewer over there, and we\u2019ve had a one-minute speech from Ms Costello over here, because, fundamentally, they know that this bill is actually indefensible. They know that this bill can\u2019t be defended, because it\u2019s got no real substance to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EThey say that it\u2019s about better regulation, but better regulation for who? It\u2019s certainly not for the people, if you listen to the submissions of all the number of people who have submitted against it\u201498.7 percent opposed\u2014it\u2019s certainly not for the planet, if you listen to the submissions of experts, like the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment and groups that care about the environment, like 350 Aotearoa, Forest \u0026amp; Bird, and Greenpeace; and it\u2019s certainly not for Te Tiriti, if you listen to the expert submission by the Waitangi Tribunal on why this bill is so bad.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard claims that this bill will cut red tape and actually introduce a new era of prosperity where there\u2019ll be fun for all and a new level of economic activity, but if you actually listen to what the Government\u2019s own advisers have to say about this, they\u2019ve said the opposite. They\u2019ve said that creating a regulatory environment which is subject to chop and change, like this bill will do\u2014because we will chop and change this bill up next term\u2014is actually the opposite of how you create a stable environment for good investment in economic growth. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EThis bill will cost a minimum of $60 million, and actually a lot more if you consider all the costs that\u2019s being spent on the Ministry for Regulation. Rather than cutting red tape, this bill actually creates the opposite of it. It creates a tsunami of yellow tape that will strangle the Public Service and that will create distractions from core work. So much for a Government that claims to care about economic efficiency, when the bill will do the opposite with their consistency assessment standards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EFinally, this bill makes claims about good lawmaking. As we\u2019ve heard from my colleagues Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick and the Hon Dr Duncan Webb, this bill has actually followed the opposite of the process of good lawmaking. From the abuse of urgency that this Government has undertaken in various legislation such as the pay equity bill, to cutting off the number of oral submissions, this bill actually gives the opposite of how you would do good lawmaking in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard this bill denounced as an ACT Party bill, but the reality is that while David Seymour might have created the legislation\u2014and the legislation is the gun\u2014the reality is that Winston Peters and Christopher Luxon loaded the bullets with their complicity in allowing this legislation to pass.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003ENow, what would the Green Party do instead? Well, we actually care about genuinely good legislation, and so the first step would be to repeal the Regulatory Standards Bill and to end the tsunami of yellow tape that this bill will create. The second is that we will abolish the Ministry for Regulation and end the libertarian industrial bureaucracy complex that this Government has entrenched in their current lawmaking. We will end the shoddiness of poor decision-making and the number of abuses of urgency that this bill has created.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EI want to spend the next 15 seconds thanking the submitters who have helped to create amendments to this bill, and all of the people who have taken part in this process. This Government has not and will not listen to you, but we have, and together we will make this a one-term Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022eae59f3e82d4436096e2ee11043f94d6\u0022 data-id=\u00220b7a65cc42304802a528a6a9ab1698a2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eae59f3e82d4436096e2ee11043f94d6\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220b7a65cc42304802a528a6a9ab1698a2\u0022\u003EPAULO GARCIA (National\u2014New Lynn):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. The object of the Regulatory Standards Bill is to increase transparency in regulation and the resulting accountability with the New Zealand public. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022 data-id=\u00224890a84ffa374e4081e222782a70462f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224890a84ffa374e4081e222782a70462f\u0022\u003EHon RACHEL BROOKING (Labour\u2014Dunedin):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker, for this opportunity to speak on the Regulatory Standards Bill. It is, somewhat, d\u00E9j\u00E0 vu for me because, whilst I haven\u2019t been involved in the select committee process on this bill, last term, we had a member\u2019s bill in the name of David Seymour, and it was very similar to this. I was able to speak on that bill when, of course, we voted it down. That is what we will do when we have the opportunity. This bill will be repealed. This bill is vain. This bill is ideological in a very negative way. I say that despite what the introduction on the select committee report-back says. I will read that to you. The first sentence is: \u201CThis bill seeks to support the executive\u2019s accountability to Parliament.\u201D I have to say, that sounds like a wonderful and glorious ambition.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022\u003EAs somebody who is part of Parliament but not part of the executive\u2014the executive being the Ministers; there\u2019s not many of them in the House at the moment\u2014most of us are members of Parliament; we are not members of the executive. We hear, over and over again, that Parliament, this Parliament of all of us, the executive members and the non-executive members, is sovereign. We can make the laws, but what actually happens is that an executive can have so much power that they make sure that all of their members\u2014all of their non-executive members that are part of Parliament\u2014just go along with them and don\u2019t do any scrutiny. That is a real problem if Parliament changes as drastically as it has this term.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022\u003EThis term of Government has seen an egregious use of all-stages urgency and giant amendments coming in at the committee stage, with no recourse for the non-executive Opposition members to scrutinise that, to ask experts about what the changes might mean. I hear often from the other side: \u201CIn the last term of Parliament, there was lots of urgency used.\u201D There\u2019s a big difference between all-stages urgency and using urgency for different parts of a bill because you require more House time. Those two things are very different. There is also a huge difference when a bill is passed under urgency because there is something like an emergency\u2014that is a good use of urgency\u2014and when there are pieces of legislation passed that have post-enactment review provisions so Parliament can accept that it does need to do this thing quickly because, say, we had some space legislation earlier this year where there might be a national security interest. That is a good reason to pass something under urgency. But then, you have a post-enactment review placed so that the parliamentarians have an opportunity to scrutinise that legislation; this Government does none of those things.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022\u003EIt is quite ironic that we have this bill here and that the introduction from the select committee starts with the sentence that this is about changing the dynamic, moving away from executive powers to parliamentarian powers. That is not what this bill is doing at all. We heard the Minister say something about mojo\u2014which we hear a lot from that Government; that\u2019s all they seem to like to talk about\u2014and then he said pieces of legislation need to be justified against some criteria. That sounds reasonable, but, of course, the criteria are David Seymour\u2019s criteria; they are not Rachel Brooking\u2019s criteria, and they are not many other people\u2019s criteria. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022\u003EI am amazed that both National and New Zealand First seem to have been so bamboozled by this that they have laid down and agreed to David Seymour\u2019s libertarian criteria to be used in an expensive process that will cost us all time and money and not result in better lawmaking and not, importantly, result in more power of the Parliament over the executive. We have his criteria\u2014and he described in his speech\u2014that they were just rights of ordinary people and that they were, of course, not collective rights. And so, as I said before, these are not the Rachel Brooking rights. If they were Rachel Brooking rights, they would include ones about our Treaty arrangements\u2014of course, one of our most important constitutional documents\u2014but, no, they\u2019re not there. They would, of course, include something about the environment and, maybe, the principle of polluter pays\u2014that\u2019s something that should appeal to libertarians\u2014but, no, that\u2019s not in this bill either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve heard from Dr Duncan Webb that this was a solution looking for a problem and that there have been many submissions about this question. If you do want to actually do what this first sentence says\u2014to support the executive\u2019s accountability to Parliament\u2014what might you do? In 2019, before I was in Parliament, the Legislation Act 2019 was passed. This Act has a Part 4, yet this Part 4 is still not in force. I just want to quickly read the purpose of Part 4 of that piece of legislation, \u201CDisclosure requirements for Government-initiated legislation\u201D. Section 101 states: \u201CThe Purpose of this Part\u2014is to (a) better inform parliamentary and public scrutiny of Government-initiated legislation; and (b) promote good administrative practices for the development of such legislation.\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022\u003EThat sounds to me like a very fine ambition, one that appears to mirror what has been said about this version of the Regulatory Standards Bill. Yet I have not seen the Minister or any proponent of this bill explain why it is that they don\u2019t just bring into force Part 4 of the Legislation Act 2019. Of course, we already have in existence the Legislation Design and Advisory Committee. We heard mention of them before, again from the contribution from Dr Duncan Webb. This committee are, and I say this with admiration, some truly independent law nerds, and they look at the legislation\u2014they don\u2019t look at the policy; they look at the legislation\u2014and say whether or not it will work and how it could be improved. So they already exist. Again, why are they not mentioned?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022\u003EI want to conclude by being very clear that the executive\u2019s accountability to Parliament should be strengthened, and there are some ways to do that. One of the ways is to bring in Part 4 of that Legislation Act 2019 that I just read out. One of the ways could be bolstering the role of that Legislative Design and Advisory Committee. This is something that the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment submitted on. Another one would be not to be using all-stages urgency for bills that have nothing to do with emergencies or any sort of national security, because all-stages urgency means that when the ACT Minister comes in with a pay equity bill, we don\u2019t see it until she stands up and starts speaking on it, we go to the table and pick up that bill, and then we go through all the stages of that legislation at once. That is a disgraceful and stupid way to make legislation, whatever you think of the policy. We will repeal this bill. It is a terrible bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022e7da7ec582f346809c0947fccf972c44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e7da7ec582f346809c0947fccf972c44\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E For the members\u2019 benefit, I just want to highlight the purpose of this bill, which is to hold power to account and to raise the standard of lawmaking and policy making in this country. I think we\u2019ve all got great examples from across the House of poor policy that we\u2019ve seen, and the purpose of this bill is to strengthen that. That\u2019s why this bill sets out standard principles for good regulation. It sets out a process that it needs to go through and sets out a regulatory standards board to provide a way for Kiwis to have their say on bad and poor regulation, and it ensures that Ministers and agencies take their obligations seriously.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003EAs a member of the Finance and Expenditure Committee, it was good to hear those that came before us. I wish to thank those submitters. We did make some changes to this bill, and I look forward to debating those throughout the stages. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003EI wish to clear up some mistruths about this bill that have been fed from the other side. The first is that this takes away the sovereignty of Parliament. It does not take away the sovereignty of Parliament. There\u2019s nothing in this bill that prevents us from passing legislation. With that, I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022 data-id=\u002235cb6fac1b274131a7d3028c603bf9de\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002235cb6fac1b274131a7d3028c603bf9de\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E I normally have a lot of respect for Mr Bidois on matters relating to this particular bill and other bills that we\u2019ve debated in this House, but Mr Bidois, in his speech to the House this afternoon, made it very clear he didn\u2019t listen to the vast majority of submitters who opposed this bill. Making good legislation in this House is about making legislation for the people. How is it that over 98 percent of those who submitted on this bill opposed this bill, and yet the Government continues to push on with its legislation agenda, of which the Regulatory Standards Bill is one?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EEvery bill in this House has a whakapapa\u2014it has a history\u2014and it\u2019s easy to start at the Treaty principles bill, but I won\u2019t do that. For context, the history of this bill started in the negotiations between the National Party and the ACT Party, where the National Party and the ACT Party in their coalition agreement came up with the Regulatory Standards Bill. Now, I could go back a little bit further, to past iterations of the ACT Party in Government where they tried to do a very similar thing. It still got the cut then, and yet this ACT Party continues with it to this day. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EThe National-led Government under Christopher Luxon negotiated, in their negotiations for the coalition, to have this bill come into the House. Now, how is it, then, that on that side of the House, they can stand there, hand on heart, and say, \u201CWe are making legislation for the people.\u201D, when the people clearly do not agree with it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EMoving on to the heritage of this bill, the perennial beat-down on M\u0101ori in this country has been nothing but absolutely revolting from this Government from the time that they took office in 2023, and, yes, it did start with the Treaty principles bill. When they say, on that side of the House, \u201CWe\u2019re here for efficiencies to make Government work better.\u201D, well, they tried to push through a bill that wasted taxpayers\u2019 dollars on a process that was never ever going to get across the line, yet we had to suffer the division forced on our communities, and we continue to do so with this particular bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ENow, if the Minister today had stood up and said, \u201CI heard all of the great suggestions from those who made submissions on this bill and we\u2019ve incorporated some of those into the next iteration of this bill, in its second reading.\u201D, well, we might have listened a little bit more. But, in reading the legislative statement today, what we see here is not only are there minor amendments, one of them actually continues to rub the salt in the wounds of M\u0101ori, who have only just recently suffered under the passing of the marine and coastal area (MACA) legislation in this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EThe legislative statement quite clearly says here that \u201CA clarification has been made to provide a consistent approach to excluding legislation that gives effect to customary marine title under the Marine and Coastal Area (Takutai Moana) Act 2011\u201D. Well, why don\u2019t you rub it in? Why don\u2019t you rub the salt in the wound, when this House has already gone and done that and made it even harder for anyone to try and seek customary title under the MACA legislation?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ENow, we have a reminder here, in the second reading of this bill, in the Minister\u2019s legislative statement, where he, in an attempt to try and assuage the voter out there, has said, \u201COh well, we\u2019ve excluded those who have already been recognised under the MACA.\u201D Well, I\u2019d ask this House: how many of those who have sought customary title have been recognised under MACA? No, people across this House probably don\u2019t know the answer, but I can tell you that I\u2019m aware of only one, and that is the settlement that was reached with Ngati Porou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EThere\u2019s another attempt by this Minister and this particular bill to say, \u201CThere\u2019s nothing to see here. We still want to respect individual property rights.\u201D, but that, actually, is not what\u2019s happening here. We know that what this Government has done, with the way that they\u2019ve passed their bills, that it is a challenge to the democratic processes of this House. How many times have members in this House sat on select committees where the process has been truncated in this term? Far too many\u2014in fact, more than I\u2019ve experienced in the three terms prior to this term. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f7e23d3e36441cbb5adcaca9866cbeb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bd941c91d6e4ed8ae0e665995d358be\u0022\u003EHon Rachel Brooking\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s if it goes to select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebfc171cdfe545538f51fb90e640af1c\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s how many, and my colleague here made the very good point that when you rush things under urgency, nobody gets to see the bill. Members don\u2019t even get to see the bill until it\u2019s tabled in the House. Well, if we don\u2019t get to see it, that means the people of this country don\u2019t get to see it, and that side of the House wants to talk to us about good lawmaking? They want to talk to us about good democratic processes? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EWell, this is another affront to the democratic processes of this House and the ones that I know New Zealanders believe in, right up and down this country. We will repeal this legislation when we get the opportunity, and we do not support it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220ae7a20755f94708a37076c1002b38e1\u0022 data-id=\u00220bd5e3c813ac4804a7b7a1cca006adbb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220ae7a20755f94708a37076c1002b38e1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220bd5e3c813ac4804a7b7a1cca006adbb\u0022\u003ECATHERINE WEDD (National\u2014Tukituki):\u003C/span\u003E Look, red tape and regulation has been holding this country back for far too long; much of it introduced under that previous Government. We need to get rid of the unnecessary red tape holding our farmers and our growers, our primary sector, our horticulture sector back. We need to get the wheels moving. We need transparent regulation, smarter regulation, and less regulation so that we can strengthen this economy and lift wages for everyone. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022 data-id=\u0022ac1f4df0b31b46cfa4f821b113494631\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ac1f4df0b31b46cfa4f821b113494631\u0022\u003EHon Dr MEGAN WOODS (Labour\u2014Wigram):\u003C/span\u003E The introduction of this bill tells us that the \u201Cbill seeks to support the Executive\u2019s accountability to Parliament for developing high-quality legislation and exercising stewardship over regulatory systems.\u201D This is the Government that we have seen over the last two years flout their responsibility as a Government to have proper scrutiny of the regulations that have been put in place. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003EWe have had unprecedented numbers of bills coming to this House without regulatory impact statements. This is a Government that can\u2019t even use the existing apparatus that exists to ensure that we are making good laws in this House. We\u2019ve had member after member on the Government backbenches jumping up and defending laws that they have no idea about the impact of, because none of us in this House do, because this is a Government that has just blatantly disregarded its responsibility when it comes to oversight of our regulatory systems in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003ENow, we are not supporting this bill; my colleagues have made that clear. In fact, the Labour Party has made this clear at every stage of this piece of legislation. It is a deeply flawed and ideologically driven bill. It is an example, yet again, of the tail wagging the dog. This is where David Seymour got one over Christopher Luxon in the coalition arrangements and shows, yet again, what weak leadership we have from our Prime Minister; what weak leadership we have from the National Party in terms of standing up for what is right and what is wrong. I feel sorry for the New Zealand First members. I suspect that they know that this is deeply flawed legislation but are being forced to vote for it because of their coalition arrangement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s go through and have a look at what this bill does. On the face of it, we see it sets out the principles about what we should be taking into account when we make law. It sets up a board that is appointed by David Seymour, and can be directed by David Seymour, to look into legislation. If we have a look at what this bill does, one of the things it does is it puts the primary of private interests over the collective interest at every point that it can.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003ENow, let\u2019s consider what that could do. We had Transpower, for example, come and give a submission to the Finance and Expenditure Committee about clause 8(c) of the legislation that pointed out, because of this regulation, if in the national interest we need to upgrade our power grid\u2014which we will, we will need to put more infrastructure into place\u2014that because of what is laid out in this bill, New Zealanders will pay more for their power; that there will be a requirement, because of this legislation, for compensation to be paid.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003ENow, we see this in multiple ways. In fact, 98.7 percent of the people who came and submitted on this bill pointed out what problems there were with this legislation. I want to point out how wide the opposition was to this bill, how wide-ranging it was. We heard from the Law Society, we heard from the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment, we heard from iwi, we heard from groups that spanned a huge, broad span of New Zealand society how problematic this piece of law is in so many ways. We heard from the Parliamentary Commissioner for the Environment the way in which this legislation will impede our ability to make laws that protect our environment, to make laws that put in the necessary provisions we need to do to counter climate change. These were things that we had respected bodies, like the Parliamentary Commission for the Environment, come and give their submissions on. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003EWe also heard from iwi, repeatedly, of the failure of this legislation to take into account the Treaty of Waitangi. This comes within a bundle of legislation that this Government have passed. Not only with the Treaty Principles Bill; we\u2019ve had the marine and coastal area legislation that my colleague the Hon Peeni Henare just talked about, that this really is part of the trifecta from this Government of having a complete attack on M\u0101ori and Treaty rights in this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003ENow, under the shadow but trying to hide behind a fig leaf of good lawmaking, we have a Government that really is cutting to the heart of who we want to be as a country and what we want to be able to achieve with our legislation; that what we can see in terms of the rule of law, liberties, the taking of properties, taxes, fees and levies, the role of the courts, and good lawmaking\u2014these might seem on the face of it very sensible provisions. We in no way are not saying that we should have proper transparency and oversight of the way in which we make law in this country, but we have a Government that can\u2019t even use the existing apparatus. Time and time again, they\u2019ve just bypassed the regulatory impact statement. They\u2019ve brought legislation to this House that simply does not have that statement with it. The Cabinet hasn\u2019t considered regulatory impact statements when they\u2019re making decisions whether or not to progress legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003EFocus on individual liberty: this obsession that the ACT Party have got into the Government\u2019s agenda with this single focus on individual liberty does not recognise the duty that we have as lawmakers to protect a vast array of things for future generations. That it is our job as lawmakers: to make sure that we are thinking beyond just the individual rights of a single entity or a single person, and think about what we need to do to protect Aotearoa New Zealand and make sure that our children and our grandchildren can benefit from things. All of these things need to be considered when we are making laws.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003EWhen we look at the submissions that we heard, as I said, 98.7 percent of the submissions opposed it. That should give a Government pause for thought, the fact there was overwhelming opposition to this bill. We weren\u2019t talking about just a small number of submissions. There were a very large number of submissions that came in. They went through an absolute range of things that could be put in place. One of the things, when we look at the taking of property principle that is in the legislation, it is unworkable. We heard this time and time again from those who came and submitted to the select committee, suggesting that a property right should not be impaired without fair compensation. This is what is in the legislation: where that impairment of property rights benefits one person but causes a detriment, the person who benefits should provide compensation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003EOne of the questions that we asked, and Government members on the committee refused to engage with, is: what about laws that we make in this country around healthy homes? What about where we say that, actually, people deserve the right to live in a home that does not make them sick; that as legislators we should have the ability to actually legislate to say there are minimum standards around the homes that we allow people to live in so that we don\u2019t add to the health burden of this country and to the detriment of individual\u2019s health. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003EWhat about swimming pool fences? Now, this will probably be something that will excite David Seymour a great deal\u2014in terms of the reason why we have laws around we may do safety measures like this. This is in terms of the taking of property principle. These are where we are thinking about the collective benefit over that individual benefit. What about if a district plan would change to place height restrictions on a building to preserve the sunlight to a neighbouring building that would impair one landowner\u2019s property rights for another\u2019s benefit? That\u2019s clearly unreasonable to expect the neighbour to compensate the owner of the restricted land. These are all the kinds of issues that were raised at select committee of why this bill is unworkable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223480570e0b704f789c79afacfdbe4533\u0022\u003EThis is a piece of law that is simply the ACT Party flexing its muscle with a weak majority party within a coalition that has no ability to stand up for New Zealanders and is letting New Zealanders down. New Zealanders are being stuck with a piece of legislation that is to their detriment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212fd037a8544418390244b7c3a65216e\u0022 data-id=\u0022079898746dbc4e11931dbc597452cea1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212fd037a8544418390244b7c3a65216e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022079898746dbc4e11931dbc597452cea1\u0022\u003EDr HAMISH CAMPBELL (National\u2014Ilam):\u003C/span\u003E Excellent, I have the 12th spot in this debate, and we have heard a lot of hyperbole and a lot of rubbish in this debate. This bill is very clear: it aims to bring the same discipline to regulation that some argue we already accept and expect in our fiscal management. It aims to set clear principles for good regulation, and then requires Ministers and agencies to disclose and explain any inconsistencies. The board\u2019s advice to Parliament is non-binding, contrary to what we\u2019ve heard. It cannot strike down laws. Urgent or exceptional laws can still proceed, but departures must be transparent and justified. This is about transparency and holding the executive to account. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u002232dbf44db35142938ee2cac5a49ba792\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002232dbf44db35142938ee2cac5a49ba792\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the amendments recommended by the Finance and Expenditure Committee by majority be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223d25bbddee4f45bab6386763c7a2b3eb\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225684688fba494cd099e0813c67929dd7\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the Regulatory Standards Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000445\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022d459fbcdb0e3462f8e16a13467c0d59d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d459fbcdb0e3462f8e16a13467c0d59d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2) and the Medicines Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225f662c31998346d2bb3f766a1a9144ca\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002268d627e03b5d46078ab36a6d3845cade\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002236811db2a7ca4b9ba489c5557ce8a378\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002236811db2a7ca4b9ba489c5557ce8a378\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee on the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2) and the Medicines Amendment Bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222bd7a564cc1342b0a6d78e4498b17d1c\u0022\u003EEducation and Training Amendment Bill (No 2)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220f68a0664f3a4409b7be067e87b7b406\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002223fc4489f1d74b19b09ea2b5f2491f5a\u0022\u003EPart 1  Amendments to principal Act, and Schedule 1\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002281b7c4c17b42488882d79058b858bbe9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281b7c4c17b42488882d79058b858bbe9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: We come first to the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2), and we begin with the debate on Part 1. Part 1 is the debate on clauses 4 to 29, \u201CAmendments to principal Act\u201D, and Schedule 1. The question is that Part 1 stand part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u00224385842d962f404eac516b8e62923342\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224385842d962f404eac516b8e62923342\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora and good evening, Madam Chair and members of the Parliament. Before we begin the committee\u2019s discussion this evening, I just wanted to open the debate by once again thanking members of the public who provided their comments on this bill, and I also thank the members of this House who were sitting on the Education and Workforce Committee.The feedback that we received has been valuable in helping us better understand differing viewpoints and shaping a more structured and informed discussion today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EAs I mentioned during the second reading, this bill introduces several important changes that advance the Government\u2019s commitment to improving student achievement. It requires that school boards will make educational achievement their paramount or highest priority or objective. It also strengthens initial teacher education, ensures teacher discipline and competence processes are fit for purpose, and provides clear procedures for managing industrial action within the school system, alongside other improvements to the education system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EOne of those key proposals in this bill is to amend section 127 of the Education and Training Act 2020 so that educational achievement and attainment becomes a school board\u2019s paramount objective. It is the highest priority in school governance. By placing student achievement right at the heart of what boards should focus on, we are supporting schools to return to the fundamentals of education and get them right. This change ensures that every learner can gain the knowledge, the skills, and the competencies they need to reach their full potential.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThe bill also includes proposals aligned with other key Government priorities, including raising our national student attendance. To support this, the bill introduces new requirements for schools to have attendance management plans that set out how the school will respond to and address the diverse underlying causes of non-attendance. My colleague the Associate Minister of Education, David Seymour, will also speak to and address questions in the committee that anyone may have on these proposals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003ESimilarly, the bill also introduces a proposal to require universities to protect and promote academic freedom and freedom of expression in universities. It\u2019s vital that universities remain spaces that foster debate, encourage ongoing learning, and expose students to a diverse range of viewpoints so that they can develop into the critical thinkers that we need. My colleague the Minister for Universities, Minister Reti, will speak and address questions on this proposal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EAlongside the proposals in the bill, I\u2019m also announcing that I\u2019ll be introducing two Amendment Papers during our discussion in the committee today. The first Amendment Paper proposes to rebalance the Teaching Council\u2019s membership. It proposes a majority of ministerially appointed members by removing the teacher education position and adding a ministerially appointed member. This change will help ensure that appointments are focused on professionalising the council and strengthening its strategic capability to more effectively perform its key regulatory function.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThe second Amendment Paper relates to additional changes to school board objectives in section 127, and it responds to the Government\u2019s Treaty reference review. During this review, concerns were raised about whether it is appropriate for boards to be held accountable for meeting the Crown\u2019s obligations under the Treaty of Waitangi. School boards are made up of parents and community members, who volunteer their time to support and run their local schools. This Government does not believe that it is reasonable to expect these parents, who are, effectively, volunteers, to carry legal responsibilities that rightly belong to the Crown. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThis Amendment Paper proposes the removal of the explicit requirement for boards to give effect to the Treaty of Waitangi from section 127. It\u2019s replaced by explicit objectives for school boards to seek equitable outcomes for M\u0101ori students, to take all reasonable steps to provide for te reo M\u0101ori, and to reflect the school community\u2019s cultural diversity in its policies and practices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EGiven that my colleagues Minister Seymour and, shortly, I hope, Minister Reti are here to speak to the attendance management plans and the freedom of expression proposals, I\u2019d welcome members\u2019 questions on these proposals first. Then I can speak and answer questions from members on the other proposals in the bill, as well as the Amendment Papers. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022399d3bf4506f412883b168e1e8ef9151\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022399d3bf4506f412883b168e1e8ef9151\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Mr Chairperson. Thank you, Mr Chair. I just wanted to get a clarification from the Minister of Education. Right at the end of her speech, the Minister\u2019s recommendation was that we look at the questions on universities and attendance plans, etc., first, before coming down to other things like section 127, which is within her mandate\u2014or is it that anything goes? I just wanted to check.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u002251a3b284751b4426a24228da2ca0180b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002251a3b284751b4426a24228da2ca0180b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, just before I call the Minister, it\u2019s up to the members to ask whatever question they like. However, it\u2019s up to the Minister, if she can give any indication\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273ba2b07ed104726aa9963d7b4960661\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022905237aff742403b94f053c4db80b761\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: But the questions will be\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022 data-id=\u00228f821752ac0441ebbbedf4b30a843fb2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228f821752ac0441ebbbedf4b30a843fb2\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Speaking to the point of order. Thank you, Mr Chair. I\u2019m just seeking your guidance on this and the follow-up. Given that the Minister of Education has indicated that Minister Reti will be arriving to respond to the freedom of expression component in Part 1, how does the Minister\u2014or yourself, as Chair\u2014recommend that we ask questions based on that, given that the Minister hasn\u2019t arrived at this stage? Should we postpone those questions, or how would\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022e8cea591b8a842239f0988016c62447e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e8cea591b8a842239f0988016c62447e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I would suggest that if members want the best answer from the Minister, they would probably be able to observe whether the Minister is here or not. I would say, looking at the bill, that there is plenty of material that will lead up to the arrival, or otherwise, of any Minister. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022 data-id=\u002260ea7c0b4a3b4ef2adfc9fb0c691d6d7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002260ea7c0b4a3b4ef2adfc9fb0c691d6d7\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I just wouldn\u2019t want to miss the opportunity to ask the Minister for Universities directly\u2014as outlined by the Minister of Education\u2014the questions we need to, relative to this bill. So I just seek that commitment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u002208f00ae6ca8445ad93c0f4a30e36462f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002208f00ae6ca8445ad93c0f4a30e36462f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, once again, the questions will be actually through this Minister, and, generally, she will play something of a puppet master around how the other Ministers\u2014the first questions, generally, are primarily directed through her. I\u2019m sure she will be very quick to direct questions to other Ministers where she believes they have greater expertise or can provide a better answer than she can. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022 data-id=\u002229bf31215a6d4d74bdca3faf14242447\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002229bf31215a6d4d74bdca3faf14242447\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. Despite the Minister of Education\u2019s preference to deal with attendance and universities from the outset, we actually can\u2019t do that, because the Minister for Universities is not here, and I\u2019m a bit worried that the jumping all over the place is going to make it difficult for us to track what has been covered off and what hasn\u2019t been covered off. I want to say that I think, when we look at the bill, there\u2019s actually a quite thematic approach that we should be taking to this, because the clauses are\u2014for example, issues that we want to raise around the National Education and Learning Priorities (NELPs) and Te Tiriti in clause 8 and clause 9 also come under clause 127; attendance is in clause 9 and clause 23; universities are in clauses 12, 7, and 11; and then we have the Teaching Council later on. I would like to make my contributions along the lines of a thematic approach, and the Minister can figure out who needs to answer what questions, depending on what we all put to her in our contributing speeches.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EI want to start by saying that the Minister, in her opening speech, acknowledged the public and the submissions process, but what she failed to do in that acknowledgment is actually acknowledge that the majority of submissions were opposed to these proposed changes. In fact, 80.5 percent of the submissions disagreed with the proposal to make educational achievement the primary objective. The Minister, on the one hand, thanks the public for participating in this process, and then\u2014typical of this Minister\u2014she absolutely ignores them. She ignores the submissions that they\u2019ve given and the feedback that they\u2019ve given back and continues to push ahead anyway, always so dismissive of the points that they\u2019re making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EI would also make the point that these changes are not based on evidence. They are based on the Government having a coalition agreement between the National Party and the ACT Party. It is, in fact, in there that this is the baseless politicisation of education in Aotearoa, which is a troubling trend with this Government, including the latest Amendment Paper that we have received this afternoon about removing Te Tiriti o Waitangi provisions for the board. What we have here is that the Government has a very narrow and antiquated view of education, which is fitting for this Government because they have little interest in meaningful engagement and collaboration with the sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EMy question to the Minister is: where is the evidence of the collaboration with the sector on the changes that she is making\u2014which is acknowledged and actually is being celebrated by the Hon David Seymour, who is saying this is a win for them because this is something that they campaigned on and that they put in their coalition agreement. My question to the Minister is: where is the evidence of her engagement and collaboration with the sector on these proposed changes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EWhat we have here is a very simplistic solution that is not evidence-based. While the Ministry of Education and the Minister of Education portrayed a view that nothing will change under the new drafting, there is a reason why statutory interpretation actually exists, and the changes to section 127 do have interpretation repercussions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EIn my first contribution, I just want to know, given that the Minister acknowledged the public and the effort that they went to to make submissions into this process, why she ignored that the majority of them were opposed to these proposed changes, and what evidence she can give this committee of the whole House of the collaboration that she did with the sector.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u002235cb600d77854e05869e2134b131890e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002235cb600d77854e05869e2134b131890e\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Like the previous speaker, the Hon Willow-Jean Prime, mentioned, we are going to take quite a thematic approach, and I think this bill does lend itself to that quite nicely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EWe are starting with replacement section 127, inserted by clause 8\u2014and just a signal to the Chair as well that we will then move on to attendance, universities, and the Teaching Council, in that particular order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ENow, starting with section 127, I also want to signal to the Chair that the Minister of Education released a very substantial Amendment Paper yesterday, without public consultation, without notifying anyone. Usually it has been the case in the past that when Ministers do bring a bill or have those Amendment Papers, they at least make the House aware that a certain Amendment Paper has been released, as a sign of good faith, but we also didn\u2019t really see that. I really want to just request to the Chair that we do need to, because it is substantial, be given the full opportunity to examine this, as well as where the intention of this particular amendment came from. I think I\u2019m referring to Amendment Paper 408. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EIn terms of section 127\u2014this is clause 8 we\u2019re looking at\u2014this is something that we never got clarity on despite the select committee stage, and I understand the Minister\u2019s position is that we want to have a single paramount objective, but then the Minister was also like, \u201CNothing is going to change.\u201D The question then is: why make that change if nothing is going to change? If we are making that change, having the singular paramount objective, then something would be changed in terms of how the board is going to work. If something is going to change, then could the Minister walk us through, operationally, how school boards are expected to see that change? That\u2019s my first question for the Minister and I do want to touch on, I guess, one of the bigger questions\u2014and I also have an amendment to this particular section as well, which I will mention later. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI want to touch on the second question, which is on the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 428. So this is the Amendment Paper that came in yesterday, and this is the troubling amendment where the Minister has removed Te Tiriti o Waitangi, specifically the giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi in new section 127(2)(e).\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EWhile I understand the Minister is saying that, \u201COh well, some of the criteria are still there.\u201D; that\u2019s very different to giving effect to Te Tiriti, because giving effect to Te Tiriti is far more holistic than that. Other than what the Minister has just mentioned before, what sort of advice has the Minister received? I also want to look to the Minister who, in this case is also responsible for\u2014hold on, let me just quickly check; it is in clause 11 of the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2). Nope, it\u2019s not in that one. I\u2019ll try to find it in another contribution, but I guess the question is: where is this coming from in terms of the removal of Te Tiriti? But also, more importantly, what we also want to check with the Minister is what consultation she has undertaken with the New Zealand School Boards Association, noting that the school boards are going to be the ones who are implementing this. I\u2019ll leave those two questions for the time being. So exactly what is being changed? Walk us through the operational aspect, and where did this amendment come from?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u0022a8faf277524b4eab872782eba247ea8d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a8faf277524b4eab872782eba247ea8d\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E In relation to the first question that was questioning the consultation, there has been consultation on section 127. There was public consultation on the proposal to amend section 127 and to remove the National Education and Learning Priorities provisions from the Act between 2 September and 14 October 2024. The Ministry of Education consulted in 2024 on section 127, making achievement paramount\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb7e4fa96df0483dbe7b6c1fcd691fca\u0022\u003EHon Willow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: And what was the advice? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d53621058f49471daab45337df8f7464\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014before introducing the bill, so\u2014she asked specifically about consultation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EJust making some comments in relation to the second question about the process, I\u2019d just like to point out that the process is that the Amendment Paper should go up, I think, 24 hours beforehand\u2014which it did, yesterday afternoon\u2014and from all my time on the Opposition benches, the job of the Opposition was to keep an eye on the website to make sure that any Amendment Papers were brought to their attention. That\u2019s certainly how it\u2019s been working since 2017, and so that\u2019s what the member should do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EIn addressing the point around evidence, the evidence is that there have been decades of decline in student achievement, and I know that it hurts the Opposition\u2014especially Willow-Jean Prime\u2014to know that they had six years in Government and didn\u2019t manage to raise achievement for tamariki M\u0101ori, or any students at all. I know that that hurts, and I know that it hurts that in 18 months, we have managed to raise the early achievement of phonics and reading for M\u0101ori students\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002232b2e3d8bb854b52ab1124f066e9290e\u0022\u003EHon Willow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, tell us about that data. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022129d477cc9e94db6a1c933f1916eda9a\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014in just 18 months, and I love it that then they have to say, \u201COh, it must be the dodgy data.\u201D That\u2019s where they always have to go to. Well, I know that it hurts\u2014[Interruption] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bddf300f99a64c7092994d95ab25d47b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Ms Prime, the good thing about being in the committee stage is that you\u2019ll get a chance to go to your feet and respond to this, rather than have a continual barrage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c93baa5dd2e4e7b80259b9853675107\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: But the point of this change is so that we are all rowing in the same direction, that achievement is the paramount objective of school boards, that we are being very clear and concise in our directions on what boards must do in order to raise achievement for M\u0101ori students and achieve equitable outcomes, to make sure that they are offering te reo M\u0101ori, to make sure that they are then culturally competent in their schools. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EWe are still being very directive, but what we are doing is saying that the Crown holds the duty when it comes to our Treaty obligation. It was signed between the Crown and iwi M\u0101ori. We take that very seriously, which is why we have made sure that every resource that we have produced in English has been also provided in te reo M\u0101ori, and that every single professional learning and development, every single resource, and every single policy has also been made available for kura kaupapa and available for M\u0101ori immersion units. That\u2019s why we are seeing an increase in M\u0101ori achievement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EIt is not the job of well-meaning parents who run schools who are, effectively, volunteers to be deferred a Treaty duty. Do you know what happened in the last six years since that\u2019s happened? Nothing. Student results didn\u2019t get any better. I know that that hurts and I know that it hurts that under our Government they have finally started to turn a corner, but when you focus on achievement and have everybody focused on that and following the evidence and the science as to what works, that\u2019s what happens. Virtue signalling and empty words smattered around don\u2019t actually raise student achievement. The core tenet\u2014the core tenet\u2014of our Treaty obligation as the Crown is to raise tamariki M\u0101ori achievement. Unfortunately, the previous Government couldn\u2019t do that, and that hurts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022 data-id=\u002263d2a9d7b37043a7baef4c7abea2a49e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002263d2a9d7b37043a7baef4c7abea2a49e\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair, and thank you for pointing out that I get a chance in my contributions to respond to the Minister of Education and her virtue signalling about her recent results. I mean, I\u2019ve seen so much feedback from the sector on those results that the Minister is boasting about, and I do question the robustness of that. I do question the methodology behind it\u2014so maybe if the Minister would like to answer those questions in terms of that data that she is boasting about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EThe Minister said that they consulted on these proposed changes in replacement section 127, inserted by clause 8. I asked the Minister: what was the result of that consultation? What feedback did she get and did the ministry get from the sector around the things that they consulted on before bringing this bill to the House? The Minister didn\u2019t talk to any of that, conveniently. She also, conveniently, does not acknowledge that, in the public consultation process in select committee, the majority of those that submitted opposed what is being proposed here. She has this consultation, she ignores all of the feedback, and she carries on and pushes ahead anyway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EOne of the things in this bill that they are proposing to do is to repeal\u2014to repeal\u2014the provisions around the NELPs, that\u2019s the National Education and Learning Priorities. This is in clause 5. Those National Education and Learning Priorities were actually developed through extensive consultation with the sector, something this Minister doesn\u2019t like to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dd45365e46d2467ea247612dd129fb26\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: No, I like to raise achievement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022879955c853bd482eb2294f199843080a\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: No, the Minister does not like to work in consultation with the sector. It says that they provide crucial strategic guidance to school boards about areas such as putting learners at the centre; barrier-free access to learning; quality teaching and leadership; the future of learning and work; and creating a world-class, inclusive, public education system. They are only in place in the Act where children\u2019s participation and decision making is required. Does the Minister care about the children and the students at all? Does she care about what they think? What consultation has she done with the children about anything that she has proposed in here?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EStakeholders made the point that they do not believe that it is necessary to repeal this provision within the Act, so why is the removal necessary when it is not a requirement to issue a NELP but only an option for the Minister if they choose? Why does she want to get rid of something that the sector supports\u2014that, in fact, the sector was involved in the development of? She doesn\u2019t seem to like working collaboratively with the sector and respecting anything that they may have worked on and put forward. Why is the removal of this necessary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc66fa6a141b45848074a563f61fed63\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc66fa6a141b45848074a563f61fed63\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Interestingly, while submitters on this issue to the bill disagreed with the proposal to remove them, the School Boards Association did their own survey of school board members\u2014so this is more like the public; you could imagine parents and people who are serving on school boards. The survey received 55 percent agreeing with the removal of the NELP. So there is a diversity of views out there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EBut the views of this Government are that, yes, the previous Government did spend a long time on the NELP, around two years, consulting fully and creating another strategic document\u2014they created many of them\u2014in the end that only required school boards and others to \u201Chave regard to\u201D. It was a document that they spent a very, very long time on that actually was replicated in many, many other areas and documents that was their work programme. But we have an urgent issue; we have got plummeting student achievement. If the member opposite and her previous Government had spent more time focusing on the children and their outcomes, rather than all of these strategic documents that didn\u2019t actually do anything, maybe student achievement would have improved in the six years under their watch, but it didn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EWe have used a different vehicle for our six priority areas. Many of the things that are outlined in the NELP are already replicated elsewhere. It is a document that people don\u2019t have to give regard to or don\u2019t have to follow if they don\u2019t want to. We have our work programme. It is outlined in our Cabinet paper and in our press release and shown to the sector on many occasions. I talk about it often; it will never change, our six key priority areas to drive achievement. They\u2019re already having an impact.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EAgain, I\u2019ll say to the member: I know that it\u2019s tough to see this Government raising achievement, when they spent six years with a whole lot of documents and strategies that didn\u2019t go anywhere, but that\u2019s just really unfortunate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u002269368a3cbe2842f8b3e126a9b0260e52\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002269368a3cbe2842f8b3e126a9b0260e52\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I also want to get some guidance from you, Mr Chair. We have heard the Minister of Education, rather than responding to the questions on this particular bill, spending an inordinate amount of time actually attacking the previous Government. So I\u2019m just checking with you, Mr Chair, that if we are opening up shop for political hot takes, then there are a lot of things we could also be saying. But I would like to speak very closely to the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ad7c967f15054703839ed366091c47cc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019ll just answer that question. The Minister is aware that the wider her answers, the more material then comes within scope for those asking the questions. It\u2019s been a fairly broad-based debate to date. It is a little bit more difficult to direct to specific parts, probably, while the Minister\u2019s answers remain as broad as they do, because there is always going to be that wider scope. Carry on, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225187e2f40fd842a4b7a1035fb2894588\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. I think it is important, and what the Minister is saying is important, but I want to look at a few things that I asked before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EOne of the things I asked is when it comes to the removal of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and potential legal obligations. Let me just say, then, the president of the School Boards Association has come out, and I wondered\u2014the first question is around how the Minister keeps on talking about \u201Ccore Crown\u201D. The term \u201Ccore Crown\u201D has never come up anywhere else that I know of, so if the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind first defining what she means by \u201CCrown\u201D, because school boards themselves are Crown entities\u2014in effect, school boards are the Crown. If the Minister is saying that we don\u2019t want school boards, as Crown entities, to be in charge of overseeing student work\u2014and let\u2019s say schools already have a number of obligations, responsibilities, and accountabilities. We have seen that in the past, school boards have been charged with neglect, so school boards already have to do that. By giving effect to Te Tiriti, it doesn\u2019t actually mean what the Minister thinks that it means. I just want to check, just clarify: what is \u201Ccore Crown\u201D, and is the Minister aware that school boards are Crown entities and they do have a legal obligation as well?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EWhich then comes to my second question around Te Tiriti, which is: have the Ministers consulted with the Minister for M\u0101ori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti? In section 6 of the Education and Training Act, they do give allowances for the Minister to actually collaborate with the Minister for M\u0101ori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti on certain announcements. I would assume that the removal of Te Tiriti o Waitangi is probably quite a big one to consult with the Minister for M\u0101ori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti on. I\u2019m just checking if the Minister has consulted with the other responsible Minister in this area, on this, and whether the Minister will see this potentially open up to things like a Waitangi Tribunal application, because, again, we do, broadly, have an obligation in Aotearoa for things like the inclusion and, in this case, the removal of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It\u2019s not just simply something that the Minister can drop the day before. That\u2019s my third question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EOn to consultation. I\u2019m glad that the Minister quoted the consultation that she did, and I\u2019m actually very pleased with that consultation. Hats off to the Minister for being one of the few Ministers that released an exposure draft bill. But in that consultation, in terms of making student outcomes the primary objective, the opposition rate\u2014because the Minister cares about numbers, when she quoted 55 percent of school boards didn\u2019t like the National Education and Learning Priorities\u201480.5 percent of the submitters did not agree with making education outcomes the primary objective for section 127. Then, if we\u2019re moving on to the select committee stage, 94 percent of the submitters to the Education and Workforce Committee did not agree, or were opposed, to this particular section of making student outcomes paramount in the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI know that it does hurt the Minister to consider that the way that we\u2019re looking at student outcomes is the be-all and end-all, but, at the same time, if this Minister spends some time in front of a classroom, I feel like that it is a little bit different and it can almost be considered hubris for the Minister to not actually take the advice of the sector with something like this. That\u2019s my third question. If the Minister truly did consult, then why has the Minister not taken on board the other numbers that didn\u2019t necessarily agree with her agenda?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u002286d9dffa7a514c939ec9cd94acf23d53\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286d9dffa7a514c939ec9cd94acf23d53\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ll attempt to answer all of those\u2014there are a number of questions there. Firstly, the core Crown\u2014i.e., the Government of the day and central government agencies\u2014are parties to the Treaty. The explicit duty for school boards to give effect to the Treaty is being removed in recognition that schools are not part of the core Crown. Yes, there are some Crown entities that have Treaty obligations, but school boards are very, very different than any of those. They are predominantly made up of parents who are, essentially, volunteers, who have a range of things that they need to achieve in the governance of their school. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EWe don\u2019t, as a Government\u2014and this Cabinet has decided that the core Crown has the duty with iwi M\u0101ori in relation to the Treaty of Waitangi and that it is not up to a school board to try to decipher how to give effect to the Treaty. We are, instead, being very clear with school boards: what are the things that you need to do around language, cultural competence, and ensuring that there are equitable outcomes for tamariki M\u0101ori so that they are very clear and not having to try and decipher what giving effect to the Treaty is? That is the job of the Crown; that is the decision of Cabinet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EIn relation to the second part of the question and some idea that I don\u2019t spend time in classrooms, I spent a lot of time in classrooms and with students and talking to teachers and talking to parents\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226e4f0d9331b5409aa9594a178d5a2709\u0022\u003EHon Member\u003C/span\u003E: More than anyone\u2014more than anyone.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022785720c8f0744a759c8f0df1af15c6bb\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I\u2019d say you\u2019re right, probably more than anybody in this House. It is one of my very, very favourite jobs. But it\u2019s also important to note that, yes, there were people who submitted on the bill. There are also a number of other stakeholders in New Zealand, like parents. There are tens of thousands of parents who expect this Government to make sure that when their child turns up to school, they get the very best world-leading education and they reach their full potential at school. Now, for too long, as I mentioned, those results have been declining. Nobody has managed to turn it around. We have a plan, we\u2019re putting it in place, we\u2019re already seeing the early results of that, and we are unashamedly making sure that when children turn up to school, we turn those results around, because if we don\u2019t, then the future of this country is not in a good space.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThere may have been a third question that I\u2019ve missed, and if the questioner wants to raise it again, I\u2019ll answer it, because I don\u2019t remember what that was.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227d50be4a7fd042fca27c41c4c644561f\u0022 data-id=\u0022edb4ae90a36c4d5abd5db0660bb91fe2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227d50be4a7fd042fca27c41c4c644561f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022edb4ae90a36c4d5abd5db0660bb91fe2\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I have some questions for the Minister of Education on these provisions that we\u2019re discussing. The first is: does she accept that Te Tiriti is the country\u2019s founding document? Does she accept that Te Tiriti has constitutional status in New Zealand? Does she think it\u2019s inappropriate or appropriate for our public school system to operate in accordance with Te Tiriti, particularly if she does regard it, in fact, as a constitutional document? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227d50be4a7fd042fca27c41c4c644561f\u0022\u003EDoes she think that it\u2019s a zero-sum game that schools cannot chew gum and walk at the same time\u2014that is, they cannot strive and improve educational achievement and do it while operating in a way that is consistent with Te Tiriti? If she does think it\u2019s a zero-sum game, and that any energy that a school puts into operating in a way that\u2019s consistent with Te Tiriti is energy that cannot be put into educational achievement, what evidence does she have to support that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u002228e96a7eb63c4a238fe14c69da773a52\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002228e96a7eb63c4a238fe14c69da773a52\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E The member will be very aware that the Cabinet Manual sees the Treaty as a constitutional document, of course. Since 1989, we have had school boards, and we have not had a clause in any part of the Education Act which has conferred or deferred a Treaty obligation away from the Crown to a group of parents who are volunteers on school boards. Now, that change has only been in place for a few years. I\u2019d also say to the member, there is more than just\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002290b0a4ae997e46ed907e122116a459e9\u0022\u003EHon Willow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: In recognition that it was failing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281c1375ec2584035b569886d1cbfaf17\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019re going to have your say when you get to ask your question, so just [gestures for member to sit down] for a bit, all right?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EIn answer to the member\u2019s questions around chewing gum and walking at the same time, there are many things in section 127 that we\u2019re asking the school board to do, not just to raise achievement. Around student safety and wellbeing, there\u2019s parts around making sure that they\u2019re turning up to school\u2014attendance\u2014and making sure that they\u2019re carrying out assessments. There are a huge amount of things.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003ENot only that but also we\u2019re being very, very clear about what school boards need to do, as I\u2019ve already mentioned, in order to ensure that there are equitable outcomes for M\u0101ori students\u2014that they\u2019re offering te reo M\u0101ori and that they\u2019re being culturally competent in the way that they operate in their school. There are many things that we\u2019re asking the school boards to do, and being very particular, and some of those things are particular to tamariki M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EBut it is, as I\u2019ve already said, the Crown\u2019s responsibility, and it\u2019s Cabinet\u2019s decision that it is the Crown\u2019s responsibility, to honour the Treaty and to make sure that we are abiding by that, and we\u2019re doing that in many ways. If you look at our entire work programme, everything we\u2019re doing is also in te reo M\u0101ori. I\u2019ve already mentioned all of the resources, all of the professional learning and development (PLD). We\u2019re providing new assessments for assessing early readers\u2019 phonics ability in te reo M\u0101ori, which is why we\u2019re able to see where and when we need to intervene early for those students who are learning in te reo M\u0101ori, in immersion units, or in kura kaupapa, so that we can intervene early to make sure that their reading is on track as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EAs far back as I can see, no Government has ever mirrored their exact work programme to make sure that all of the resources, all of the PLD, everything that we\u2019re doing, every policy, are also there and available in te reo M\u0101ori for M\u0101ori students as well. That is why we\u2019re starting to see a shift.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022876334bb1c9c40bba2874ffa2ba424d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022876334bb1c9c40bba2874ffa2ba424d4\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order. Thank you, Mr Chair. I want to say that I do take personal offence, under Standing Order 121, from the Minister for using te reo M\u0101ori when she is actively removing Te Tiriti o Waitangi from the legislation\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285934d39d20b479ba5e81105f84a7d19\u0022\u003EHon Members\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, sit down!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022579becdf8dd24052abf282a514078a88\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Shush, children! When someone is raising a point of order, it is heard in silence. Thank you. My point of order is that I do take personal offence, under Standing Order 121, for the Minister to use te reo M\u0101ori when she\u2019s actively removing Te Tiriti o Waitangi from the legislation, and I would like for her to withdraw and apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1b90ea0311147c097e30377242463b7\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299b2aa803bc84b2785f3b3abc795f132\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, you can speak to the point of order, the Hon Erica Stanford.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7f37e3dea114322bbd193642920c3ae\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair, it is very clear, in everything that we\u2019re doing, that we are supporting te reo M\u0101ori in schools, not only making sure that school boards have an obligation to make sure that they\u2019re offering te reo M\u0101ori but also making sure that everything is available in te reo M\u0101ori\u2014more so than any Government ever, that I\u2019ve been able to see, so there\u2019s no need for the member to take offence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022ddc92dbd9c09428f9040a53dc99bfae6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ddc92dbd9c09428f9040a53dc99bfae6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Is this a point of order, or?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d00842d464774c87b5964a5fc2eb4a04\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: No, this is a new call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228fabde27112f4d529f583d9e6c6eb0fc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: A new call? OK. The Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2014he ceded the call to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022 data-id=\u0022f980c590bcb64603b627e07bff777134\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f980c590bcb64603b627e07bff777134\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. We\u2019ve just had the Minister of Education, once again, standing up and talking so proudly about her record of te reo M\u0101ori. My question to the Minister is: what gave the Minister the right to determine that Te Tiriti o Waitangi means providing resources in te reo M\u0101ori? Who gave the Minister and the Crown the sole right to determine that giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi is to simply provide resources in te reo M\u0101ori? Who did she talk to? Which iwi, which hap\u016B who signed to Te Tiriti o Waitangi did the Minister talk to to determine that in order to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, all she has to do is give some resources in te reo M\u0101ori? The duties of the Crown to give effect to and honour Te Tiriti o Waitangi are far more than providing some resources in te reo M\u0101ori, OK? The Minister might want to address that one for us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EBut I want the Minister to also tell me how she can claim that providing resources in te reo M\u0101ori is giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, when she is also recolonising the curriculum, whitewashing the curriculum. Who was involved in the rewrite of that curriculum, minimising the use of te reo M\u0101ori, minimising M\u0101ori concepts and matauranga M\u0101ori in that curriculum?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EMinister, as the Crown, who did you work with when working with your Treaty partners? Who did you consult? Who agreed that giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi was removing M\u0101ori words from 5-year-old students\u2019 readers? Can she tell me the answer to that one?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EWho did the Minister consult with when she decided that giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi meant removing $30 million of funding for Te Ahu o te Reo M\u0101ori, which is to train M\u0101ori teachers to be able to deliver?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e2c9e73b25b429e8f40e89cc77c605c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I stop the member for a moment and just ask which clauses you\u2019re referring to because I\u2019m trying to find the scope of the questions that you\u2019re currently asking. So can you refer me to a clause? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220244decdb1114cab875011ce5d570b0a\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: Sure, yes. Replacement section 127, inserted by clause 8, the removal of giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Madam Chair, for your benefit, prior to you arriving, the Minister made some quite broad contributions, and as the previous Chair pointed out, opened herself up to this very type of questioning and debate. That was made very clear by the presiding officer who was here immediately prior to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003ENow, the Minister, in her last contribution, as you were switching over, talked about how she was proud of this Government\u2019s record of giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi and the responsibility of the Crown by giving te reo M\u0101ori resources to kids, by translating them. I am responding to that. The Minister stopped me as I was interjecting over here and said that I will get my turn. In my turn, I am asking the Minister to now answer the questions that she invited me to ask. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223167f7f7bf4842ff8a7d2ccb17bca195\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you for the recap. That\u2019s helpful in the changeover, thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6018befb3784d059a1081cab5cc4e3d\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: Now, I look forward to the Minister answering those questions. I also want the Minister to explain very clearly for the\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ffdebd61531249a3aeb19026017bef84\u0022\u003ECameron Luxton\u003C/span\u003E: And slowly for the member.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227964a086f1534fe4b1212b6a4e3f538f\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s right\u2014really slowly, really clearly, in real detail, what she understands the Crown\u2019s obligations to M\u0101ori under Te Tiriti o Waitangi are. In the Cabinet Manual, what are the Crown\u2019s duties and obligations in education to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi? What are the obligations of partnership? What are the obligations of active protection? What are the obligations of equity? Can the Minister please tell me what she understands her obligations are, as the Crown, in terms of Te Tiriti o Waitangi?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003ECan the Minister then tell me how she intends to ensure that schools do this if the boards of trustees no longer have any responsibility under this legislation and the proposed removal of this requirement on them? The Minister is going to delegate duties to boards of trustees but not any responsibilities. How is the Minister, who says she\u2019s going to retain that responsibility\u2014what mechanism is she going to have in place to ensure that schools and boards of trustees are upholding her Treaty obligations? Because you\u2019re removing one of those provisions. Can the Minister tell the committee this evening how she intends to monitor that so that parents across Aotearoa know that she is not simply delegating authority to school boards with no responsibility and that it just falls through some gap, which I\u2019m sure is actually one of the key objectives of this? How will you ensure that that is upheld?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1d8e89e05814f5fa8e046cb30c31600\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1d8e89e05814f5fa8e046cb30c31600\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Going back to the start of that contribution where the member was asking around the provision of te reo resources\u2014and this may go to part of my questions as to why the previous Government didn\u2019t do this; I\u2019m now starting to understand it. But under the Waitangi Tribunal\u2019s decision, Wai 11\u2014and the member would be advised to go and look at that decision, which says that treating te reo M\u0101ori as a taonga is important and that te reo M\u0101ori is, in fact, a taonga under the Treaty of Waitangi and it deserves active protection. The way that we do that in education is to make sure that we are providing resources, that there is bilingual education like the kura kaupapa and rumaki units, and that we are actively protecting the language, and a part of that is to provide resources. It\u2019s only one way, but it is an important way of making sure that we are actively protecting that taonga of te reo M\u0101ori, which is exactly what we\u2019re doing. There are a lot more things that we do in order to do that, but the member asked that particular question about resourcing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThe member also went on to ask what I think honouring the Treaty means, and I\u2019ve said this a number of times. In article 3 of the Treaty, it\u2019s very clear that the rights and responsibilities are given to M\u0101ori as they are British citizens, if you take the literal reading of the Treaty of Waitangi. That means, when we think about education, that tamariki M\u0101ori are receiving an education and they have equitable outcomes. That is why that yawning gap between M\u0101ori achievement and non-M\u0101ori achievement over so many decades has meant that we haven\u2019t been doing all we can do to uphold that part of the Treaty, which is why I am so focused on every single thing that I do in the mainstream to make sure we\u2019re also doing it in te reo M\u0101ori. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EAll of the things I\u2019ve already mentioned, I won\u2019t go over them again, but we are also being very clear with school boards. As I\u2019ve already said, it\u2019s very vague to say to a school board that \u201CYou need to give effect to the Treaty of Waitangi.\u201D, because what does that mean, in effect, for a school board?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281dabb58852c4cad9628d433210a0542\u0022\u003EHon Willow-Jean Prime\u003C/span\u003E: If it wasn\u2019t taken out, they might know.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002201a26e110dd3443080257270d709e732\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ll tell you what, the member opposite hasn\u2019t actually said what she thinks that it means. We are being very, very clear. We are saying that you must offer te reo M\u0101ori when students request it, you must make sure that you are attempting to achieve equitable outcomes for tamariki M\u0101ori, and you must make sure that you are being culturally competent\u2014very clear and specific to boards so they know exactly what they need to do. It\u2019s all very well to just put words in without actually being clear about what they mean, because what happens is that boards lose their focus, and we want them to be laser focused on raising achievement, closing the equity gap, and doing those things to raise M\u0101ori achievement. That\u2019s what we\u2019re focused on doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f577b321937345a0b3a448078b32650b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f577b321937345a0b3a448078b32650b\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te Minita. Otir\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. It\u2019s my pleasure to stand here as the presiding member of te kura kaupapa M\u0101ori o Taperenui a Whatonga to seek further clarification around section 127. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EBeyond te reo and beyond resources, can the Minister of Education accept that giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi looks different according to iwi, hap\u016B, community, and the tikanga and kawa processes of that iwi, hap\u016B, and community; if so, how can the Minister monitor effectiveness and, of course, ensure consistency? I mean, I\u2019m yet to hear a good argument about why we\u2019re honestly mucking around with Te Tiriti o Waitangi. He moumou taima t\u0113nei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E[This is a waste of time.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s absolutely unnecessary. To simply say that if someone wants access to their reo, to their culture, they can request it, already disenfranchised people are not going to do that. They are going to sit\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221be358d57aab4dcbb2daa8bcbd424e63\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Why not?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f84050dbe514c0e9e98d3a1a7ee9c6d\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014i roto i te whakam\u0101 [in embarrassment]\u2014because they\u2019ve been downtrodden by ridiculous laws like this. That\u2019s why Te Tiriti being in these documents is so important, so ignoramuses can\u2019t detach people from their culture and their reo. But the question is: how can a Government asking stupid questions like that give us any comfort?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c6ab19f320846d4acb61f6f9b4b6abf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Direct the questions to the Minister and less of this pointing, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec9095094373407bbf86d242d16eee74\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL\u003C/span\u003E: How can anyone in this country feel reassured that Te Tiriti will be honoured when we\u2019ve got Government Ministers making silly quips like that about the value of Te Tiriti and access to te reo and tikanga and identity?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EIn simplistic terms, how will the Minister monitor the effectiveness of this? What qualifies the Minister to ensure Te Tiriti will be given effect across schools across Aotearoa and therefore how will she ensure the consistency when the delivery giving effect to this will look different and it should look different in every school community, and that\u2019s what boards can be charged with. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u002272e9b1632bb34a0896392e7cc38f51e8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272e9b1632bb34a0896392e7cc38f51e8\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E One of the easiest ways to ensure that you are raising achievement\u2014which is, again, the core tenet of a Treaty duty: to make sure that tamariki M\u0101ori are succeeding to their full potential, which we have not done in this country for some time\u2014is to make sure that we\u2019re assessing our young people. That\u2019s why we created Hihira Weteoro, which is a phonics check that is designed specifically\u2014a world first, as far as we can tell\u2014for M\u0101ori children learning in bilingual units. It tests them at 20 weeks, 40 weeks, and 55 weeks\u2014understanding that they are learning in a bilingual environment, in some cases, or in full immersion\u2014to make sure that they are staying on track with their learning. Where they fall behind, we pick them up with our literacy intervention teachers and programmes that we have put in place, which are very, very important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EWhat we\u2019re also doing is making sure that, for the first time\u2014this has never been done before; the previous Government didn\u2019t do this\u2014we\u2019re actually assessing. We\u2019re taking a sample assessment in our Curriculum Insights and Progress study, where we take samples of children in years 3, 6, and 8 in the mainstream and assess them in reading, writing, and maths to make sure that they\u2019re on track and that Government policies are working\u2014for the first time, we\u2019re going to be doing that in immersion settings as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThe best way to make sure that we are achieving equitable outcomes is to actually ask the question: are we? We haven\u2019t done that before. We haven\u2019t had really good data across our mainstream and immersion units.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EAlso, from next year, there will be a requirement to assess, using one of the three assessment tools, reading, writing, and maths, twice a year, every year, from year 3. It will be very telling how achievement is going and whether or not we are making sure that there are equitable outcomes for M\u0101ori students.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022fb23170ce2b642f19f6a60b2a6cf8ea0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fb23170ce2b642f19f6a60b2a6cf8ea0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just say, before we take some more questions for the Minister, that we\u2019ve spent a reasonable amount of time around replacement section 127, in clause 8, and the Minister has been answering the questions all the way through. The members may not like some of the answers, but the Minister has actually been answering. It\u2019d be really good if we could branch out to see if there\u2019s anything else in this piece of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022 data-id=\u00223a733562b7d84d0aa501208e228a38d5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223a733562b7d84d0aa501208e228a38d5\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order, Madam Chair. Thank you for that. I do just want to check your understanding, though, because this Amendment Paper that has been introduced around Te Tiriti\u2014the removal of the requirements for giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi\u2014has not been to select committee. This is our only opportunity to ask the Minister questions about this specific point. There are other things in section 127 that did go to select committee, which we haven\u2019t addressed yet\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff03dd69103549309b169e301a4cb2dc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff03dd69103549309b169e301a4cb2dc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I get the point of order from the member. My judgment is that the questions that have been asked to this point about how the Minister is going to ensure and measure have been answered by the Minister. I\u2019m looking for different questions because I feel like the questions since I\u2019ve been in here for the last 20 minutes have been very similar questions and very similar answers to what I\u2019ve already seen that the previous Chair has written down. I\u2019m looking for you to broaden out. What I\u2019m saying is you may not like the answer that the Minister\u2019s giving you, but it doesn\u2019t mean that she\u2019s not answering the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd7ffda8db454442ac7ab6f7165a604e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd7ffda8db454442ac7ab6f7165a604e\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I appreciate and respect your comments, and I\u2019ll do my best to add additional points. The problem here is that the Minister of Education has been quite narrow in her responses and that what we\u2019re trying to understand is actually how this decision came about where, at the eighth hour, we\u2019ve received an amendment. We\u2019ve been through a select committee process, and our select committee actually does good, constructive, robust work. It wasn\u2019t a short process, so there was every opportunity for the Minister to drop this particular amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EIt is a pattern of behaviour from this Government. This is not the first amendment that is dropped at the eighth hour to remove the Treaty of Waitangi; Minister Simmonds and Government colleagues did the same in the vocational training bill. It\u2019s not new for the Government. It is part of the coalition agreement, so I am confused as to why the Government is, in fact, dropping such a large piece of discussion that is sensitive in nature and is the foundation document for our country at a late stage in this process. Hence why I\u2019m sort of drilling into the Minister to say, \u201CWhen did this amendment go to Cabinet and get approved by Cabinet? Was that this week?\u201D\u2014just to understand why it\u2019s so late in the piece and what consultation keeps on coming up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EShe actually hasn\u2019t identified for us which groups have been consulted around this particular amendment. It is the removal of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I acknowledge that she is uncomfortable about doing this and probably is being wedged by the minor parties around her in this Government\u2014the ACT Party and New Zealand First. This is their push, and she will be uncomfortable about this decision. But she is the boss here and she needs to answer these questions in this phase of scrutiny in the committee of the whole House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EWhich groups did the Minister actually consult with here, which M\u0101ori groups as well, and which schools, if any\u2014if any\u2014came back and said to the Minister, \u201CThis is a good thing, to put an amendment in place that removes Te Tiriti o Waitangi?\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EThe next layer of that is about understanding the rationale behind why this is important. The Minister has talked a lot about equity but we haven\u2019t unpacked the role that Te Tiriti plays in achieving equitable outcomes for tamariki in our education system. The question arises: can equity be achieved without our foundation document underpinning the decision making at a governance level in our schools; if that is removed, how do we achieve true equity?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EThe Minister, this afternoon, has come up with examples\u2014some people call it cherry-picking\u2014of the work that the Government is doing in te reo, and the like, which is fine, that\u2019s good; I respect those things that they are doing, but that is not equity. That is not equity, Minister\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202df0c0316a94e97a8db365257b86a2e\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: What is it? Tell me.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c64f8425c79d40fc817d3894a36fc62b\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014it is examples\u2014I\u2019ve still got a minute.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022404a735d56924395b0c454d49b8418ac\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: No, I mean, tell me what those things are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247257e48d4944360a697aec8c181bb8e\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT\u003C/span\u003E: My question here\u2014it\u2019s my job to scrutinise you today, right?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022696b3970ceee4955b2e341938ca4e277\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister\u2019s just asking the member to clarify what he meant by that last statement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c72e8ae36bbb42f2ba161e5cb98f087a\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT\u003C/span\u003E: As I said\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002252fb8bf488eb4d8bb810d717a25a64a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242fb62175f9747d6b8399d31a20d4fd3\u0022\u003ECamilla Belich\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. Madam Chair, you\u2019ll know that there is a Standing Order which prohibits the Minister from utilising the microphone during the committee stage in order to insert comments into the debate. So I just appreciate\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6ebcf70b6d64e5fa68841fcfad1671d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I do understand that. I\u2019m just trying to get the best answers out for the questions. If the Minister wants to clarify a question that somebody\u2019s asked, I think it\u2019s really important for the Minister to be able to answer the question. I don\u2019t believe she was injecting herself. I\u2019ve seen Ministers inject themselves in the past; she was just trying to get some clarification.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227b55c8d386d418aa55d9fb85a3b5f63\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. The thing I\u2019m trying to understand from the Minister is: what role does she see Te Tiriti o Waitangi playing in achieving equitable outcomes for tamariki in our education system? That has been removed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EWhat has been done here is silencing of M\u0101ori voices around a governance group that runs our schools. I\u2019d like her to give me an understanding of if she agrees that that is silencing M\u0101ori voices around that table and what\u2019s the impact of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227d50be4a7fd042fca27c41c4c644561f\u0022 data-id=\u0022dc1f254976674d959b6aaf5c16f775d7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227d50be4a7fd042fca27c41c4c644561f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dc1f254976674d959b6aaf5c16f775d7\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to say, Madam Chair, this is not repeating questions for the sake of it. I want to respond directly to something that the Minister of Education didn\u2019t say in her failure to answer one of my previous questions, but also to respond to things that she actually has said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227d50be4a7fd042fca27c41c4c644561f\u0022\u003EI finished my last intervention by asking the Minister to share with the committee evidence that underpins, I think, her assertion that having the Treaty of Waitangi enshrined in this legislation is somehow a distraction, or detracts, from her objective\u2014that, I think, is shared by everybody here\u2014that we want to see tamariki M\u0101ori do as well as they possibly can in the education system. She didn\u2019t answer that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227d50be4a7fd042fca27c41c4c644561f\u0022\u003EFurther, I want to take the Minister\u2019s claims at face value that she\u2019s committed to supporting the achievement of M\u0101ori in the education system, and she\u2019s investing and producing resources and so on; and, also at face value, the distinction that the Minister draws between achievement of M\u0101ori in the system and the inclusion of Te Tiriti in law. If I can paraphrase what I\u2019ve heard from the Minister today, she\u2019s more interested in educational achievement than she is in, somehow, the kind of symbolism of having Te Tiriti in our education legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227d50be4a7fd042fca27c41c4c644561f\u0022\u003EMy question is: logically, why not do both? Why choose one over the other? Why not knock yourself out doing everything you can to encourage M\u0101ori to do as well as they possibly can in our education system and have Te Tiriti enshrined in our law, conveying to this and all future Governments our shared obligation to make sure that M\u0101ori see themselves reflected in everything we do in public life in this country? Why is she choosing one over the other?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u0022739b13ad987e40479caa9cc79df9bde1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022739b13ad987e40479caa9cc79df9bde1\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E The Treaty of Waitangi is enshrined in our legislation. It is deeply enshrined in the Education and Training Act, in section 32, and I take that responsibility very seriously. But to have a clause and a board of trustees requirement that says they need to give effect to the Treaty, without actually being very clear on what that means\u2014and it\u2019s very interesting that\u2019s the members are using words like \u201Ctrue equity\u201D and \u201Creally honouring the Treaty\u201D, without even saying what it is that they think. The reason that they won\u2019t is because they\u2019ve got the same problem that boards of trustees have; that they don\u2019t know what \u201Cgiving effect to the Treaty\u201D actually means.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EWhat we are being very clear on is what they need to do to seek to achieve equitable outcomes for M\u0101ori students: to take all reasonable steps to provide for teaching and learning in te reo M\u0101ori to students whose parents or caregivers request it; to take reasonable steps to ensure that the policies and practices for at school reflect New Zealand\u2019s cultural diversity. What we really need boards focused on is language, is culture, is making sure that students are achieving to the very highest possible of their abilities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EBut in section 32, deeply enshrined in our legislation, is the Treaty duty, which sits with the Crown, which has been guiding me in all of my policies and all of my decisions. The members opposite might not like to think that providing resources and professional learning and development and making sure that we are providing M\u0101ori language skills to teachers\u2014which we are about to commence with next year, as it was budgeted for this year; or the literacy resources we\u2019re providing to schools, secondary schools, kura kaupapa, whare kura\u2014is important. Those things are very important to our Treaty obligation to make sure that we are revitalising the language and making sure that M\u0101ori students are reaching their full potential, and that is exactly what we are doing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EWhat we are saying to boards is we don\u2019t expect them to sit around and try and work out what honouring or giving effect to the Treaty means\u2014because if you want to talk about something being very unclear, that is exactly it. We need, and parents expect, boards of trustees to be laser focused on outcomes for students: getting them to school, making sure they\u2019re achieving to the highest possibility, and keeping them safe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd1e0c111c0643e39a48a365e2901770\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd1e0c111c0643e39a48a365e2901770\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I also just wanted to mention to you, Madam Chair, that with the previous Chair we mentioned there are broader themes within this bill that we want to explore and we\u2019re on the section on the obligations of the board, but there is also the other sections of attendance, universities, and the Teaching Council.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI want to just check with something that I asked the Minister of Education right at the beginning, which was around not so much broader consultation with the public but more consultation with, potentially, her Cabinet colleagues or with other officials.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI think my first question would be: how come, particularly with some of these changes, we haven\u2019t seen a child impact statement being conducted, when this particular bill does affect children quite severely? In this case, in terms of a child impact statement, what sort of consultation, particularly with the latest amendment, Amendment Paper 428, that the Minister dropped, has been consulted through Mana Mokopuna, the Children\u2019s Commissioner? I think that\u2019s also a helpful indicator to the committee that the due diligence, even though we may not have seen it, has been done when introducing something like that into the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EThe other person that I checked with in terms of consultation, for the Minister, was the Minister for M\u0101ori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti. That was mainly from the perspective of what, then\u2014I understand what the Minister is saying, the Treaty of Waitangi is available in clause 6, amending section 9, but anything that removes the giving effect of Te Tiriti o Waitangi within any legislation should have serious scrutiny. I want to know whether the Minister for M\u0101ori Crown Relations has been consulted and what this would mean for M\u0101ori-Crown relations in general, and has the Minister received advice on what this would mean in terms of potentially an application to the Waitangi Tribunal?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EAll of these included, when we\u2019re looking at replacement section 127, inserted by clause 8, I think a broader question that we haven\u2019t asked is: sure, the Minister wants to make sure that there is one single paramount objective, but with everything else we\u2019re talking about, were there actually other options that were being considered? The Minister has consistently mentioned that it was confusing, that boards are volunteers, etc., and I 100 percent agree with that, but, at the same time, what are some of the other ways for us to potentially reach the sort of ability for the school boards to be able to do their role as the governing body of a school by other means, by providing additional resources? Rather than kind of like saying, \u201CYou only need to focus on one thing, because you are volunteers and you don\u2019t have the capacity.\u201D, was there any option being considered that would give them the capacity to actually consider all of these or give them the resources that would potentially consider all of these?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EThose are the tangible things. What information, then, have school boards been given on how to communicate or how to involve the mana whenua where the school is based? These are some of the tangible options that, for example, the Minister may have considered. I\u2019d be keen to hear from the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ENow, the Minister has also mentioned, in terms of \u0101konga M\u0101ori and some other things\u2014and I think it\u2019s really important to highlight that kura kaupapa, k\u014Dhanga reo, kura reo, and all of those sort of things, we are seeing tamariki M\u0101ori, etc., thriving in those environments. I don\u2019t deny the fact that the Minister has put resources into it. However, 97 percent of \u0101konga M\u0101ori are in English medium; they\u2019re not in M\u0101ori medium. While we\u2019re celebrating M\u0101ori-medium success, what are we doing, signalling to those 97 percent of \u0101konga M\u0101ori in the English medium, saying \u201CWe are now removing the school boards\u2019 need to give effect to Te Tiriti.\u201D? What, then, would the Minister say to these 97 percent?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI really want to pick up the question from my colleague Cushla Tangaere-Manuel, because I think that question is really important, because what we are hearing from the Minister is that, yes, parents, caregivers, students can request it, but what that translates to is: \u201CIf you want to do anything that is culturally yours, you\u2019ve got to bat for it\u2014you\u2019ve got to ask for it; it is not naturally given to you as your birthright.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208550b2e4d384b7e8d0f147591760f24\u0022\u003EIngrid Leary\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b1e5ad5587c744a7beb813b1efc72725\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Madam Chair? I\u2019m almost done.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237cc459c4f334d95be8dc9b5c6c59307\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d67ab0150f64474aaf16632b3194401\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I apologise. I lost track of time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f5321b86c3544e4dbae70408e7be6b75\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: I apologise too because I wasn\u2019t watching the clock; I was listening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d84a2e7e31942da87f945d9ef1b9944\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: I think that\u2019s a really important point: what, then, would this signal to \u0101konga M\u0101ori in terms of how the Minister\u2019s intent is empowering them to succeed as M\u0101ori, not succeed for M\u0101ori? That is the really important question when we\u2019re looking at a lot of these.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EAgain, I don\u2019t deny the fact that the Minister mentioned about success in phonics and all of those, because when you are looking for success, you will find success. But it\u2019s also ironic that the Minister uses phonics as an example, because I think it\u2019s a really important analogy when it comes to the understanding of phonics and semantics and all of those other things and when you\u2019re looking at context within a language, is that, with phonics, the Minister is using M\u0101ori like phonics, but the Minister doesn\u2019t understand the context of being M\u0101ori or what it means for M\u0101ori. That\u2019s a very, very important analogy when we\u2019re looking at purely singular success when it comes to phonetics.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EThe Minister also mentioned te reo M\u0101ori being a taonga. Now, we have seen, both in terms of the way that the new curriculum has rolled out, we\u2019ve also seen, in terms of some of the removal of kupu M\u0101ori in books like At the Marae. I want to check with the Minister, when she says that te reo M\u0101ori is a taonga, then why are kupu M\u0101ori being removed\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf2ee0d2bc6843b49c9684663a83d8ae\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s irrelevant to the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204a52034b57a44ceaff201ff52dc9726\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it is because that\u2019s what the Minister is saying, and the Minister is using this to justify that it\u2019s OK to remove giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6044541785143a2b4852ba8625b2431\u0022\u003EJenny Marcroft\u003C/span\u003E: Is there a question?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022527f8a76a84847deba322579596c2d2d\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: The question, then, for the Minister is: why has, then, the ministry also decided not to include kupu M\u0101ori in any new Ready to Read Phonics Plus books, except for only in character names?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EAll of those sorts of things, I just wanted to get clarification from the Minister, because the Minister is saying one thing but what we are seeing in terms of the reality and what we are seeing in terms of the announcement is something that\u2019s completely different.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EJust to recap a couple of the questions that I have: why was there no child impact statement being made? What consultation has she done specifically with things like Mana Mokopuna, in terms of obligation to children, with M\u0101ori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti? What are the potential consequences of application to the Waitangi Tribunal? Has she considered any other options in terms of this particular bill, other than having one paramount objective? What is her position, then, on things like removing kupu M\u0101ori when she says that te reo M\u0101ori is a taonga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI want to finish with just touching on two additional things. One of the things is around the National Education and Learning Priorities (NELPs). I understand the Minister was saying before that one of the things that was part of the consultation was that though NELPs were really good, the current NELPs have \u201Cparticular regard\u201D. That I understand, from what the Minister is saying. I would ask the Minister to consider my amendment, Amendment Paper 403, which is to reinstate NELP but actually make it stronger by saying \u201Cto give effect\u201D to NELPs, rather than just simply removing them altogether. I do agree with the Minister that \u201Chave regard\u201D is a little bit more vague.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI would also like to ask the Minister to consider my Amendment Paper 404. Now, this is one of the other questions I had earlier, which is: if nothing\u2019s going to change, why change section 127, everything within section 127, including supporting objectives? I want to pick up particularly on section 127(2) and 127(3), in clause 8. I propose that we change \u201CTo meet\u201D to \u201CIn addition to\u201D. Now, the reason for that is just to ensure that the supporting objective must be met. It provides a clarity that has not been provided from a statutory interpretation perspective. This particular amendment that I want to ask the Minister to consider is to provide a needed clarification that much more aligns the intention of the clause, where supporting objectives must be independently met, rather than have one be conditional on another.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u00228ffbde18690a407cb82e2eb1a4cfb548\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228ffbde18690a407cb82e2eb1a4cfb548\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ll just run through those questions. Firstly, there\u2019s no requirement for a child impact statement. Secondly, the question around consultation\u2014there was full ministerial consultation, as there always is in a Cabinet process, and Minister Potaka was also on Minister Goldsmith\u2019s ministerial advisory group around the Treaty principles work that was done, so he was consulted, of course.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EAround the claim that I\u2019ve said nothing will change, that is not the case. What we\u2019ve said is we want boards to be laser focused on raising achievement, and that\u2019s exactly what we expect to happen. But with the clarifications that we\u2019re putting into section 127, we are being very clear that there does still need to be\u2014and very importantly\u2014te reo, culture, and making sure that that equity gap is closed in section 127 so that boards are focused on doing their duty and not on a vague clause that says \u201Cgive effect to the Treaty\u201D, but they don\u2019t know what that means. We are being clear in what it means: those are the things that you must do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThe member is talking like there is only one objective for a school board. There are many objectives and they are all essential supporting objectives, but we want to make sure that they are laser focused on achievement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EWith the National Education and Learning Priorities (NELP), I appreciate the member\u2019s position, but this Government has come in with six very clear priorities. The NELPs are overly burdensome. They are just one of many documents that school boards have to look at. We\u2019re reducing that compliance. We\u2019ve been very clear on what we need them to do and been very clear on what our six key priority areas are, and that is the work of this Government. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThere may be some other things I haven\u2019t answered; apologies. There were lots of questions and I tried my very best.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022 data-id=\u0022609e152856884118ac87a6b158578d27\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022609e152856884118ac87a6b158578d27\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. This is my first contribution, and I\u2019ve been listening very carefully to what can seem like quite an academic and conceptual debate around \u201Cgiving effect to\u201D versus a list of things that are based on assumptions. Picking up on what the Minister of Education just said, we heard about te reo / language. We heard about culture versus \u201Cgiving effect to\u201D, which was presented to us as being vague. I wanted to try and ground this in some questions, for the Hansard, actually\u2014for the record\u2014so that I\u2019m reassured that not only our M\u0101ori kids but, actually, the diversity of cultures in New Zealand who benefit from Te Tiriti clauses will not be disadvantaged when it comes to things that do enhance their learning and do improve their academic achievement, and those are around culture and identity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EI want to just reference work that I did with the Rt Hon Adrian Rurawhe a couple of years ago and bring the voices of the students into the House. I had a constituent case which was tricky, of a student who was wearing corn braids. That was part of his cultural identity. He was not M\u0101ori. The rector at the school decided that that was a distraction, and there was a bit of an impasse.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EThe result of that was that we decided to hear the voices of students. We asked students from different schools\u2014uniformed schools and non-uniformed schools; about six of them, I think, in total, from the greater Wellington region\u2014to come in and give us their experience of having these school uniforms that did not or did require certain things. This is around identity and culture. It was very clear, from those conversations\u2014there were arguments on both sides, but it was very clear that cultural identity and giving effect to Te Tiriti is embedded in school uniform protocols and in grooming protocols, and that those protocols benefit not only M\u0101ori but other students. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EActually, it goes a step further, because we also had a gender lens and we were able to understand the difficulty for some people to go into classrooms being required to wear binary uniforms that were distracting to their education. It was very clear that the evidence that the kids were giving us was that what they need to do to achieve is to feel comfortable and confident in their identity and in the rules that allow them to express themselves. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EAs a result of that, the Human Rights Commission drew up a list of guidelines for boards of trustees, and those were received around Aotearoa. They were not mandatory, but they were based on the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, on freedom of expression and identity, and on Te Tiriti and giving effect to Te Tiriti. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EMy question for the Minister now is: if we\u2019re going to take that out of the board of trustees\u2019 suite of things to consider, does that mean that those school uniform protocols that have been adopted by many schools and welcomed with open arms by many boards of trustees and by many students and that, no doubt, have led to higher achievement are to be thrown out\u2014the baby with the bathwater? Does it mean that giving effect to Te Tiriti, as I understand what she just talked about, is about culture? We might think of kapa haka performances, te reo classes, and resourcing. What about these really fundamental questions about self-expression and identity? If they are to be in that list of things, I think the Hansard needs to reflect that now so it\u2019s very clear; if they are not, if they\u2019re seen as a distraction and not part of the core things that boards are to focus on, then I think that needs to be on the record.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EThat, again, goes back to whose perspective on identity and culture we are honouring here. Is it one part of the Treaty partnership or is it true partnership? The reason I ask this is because this is not conceptual. We have had feedback from students, even in my electorate, who have had cultural taonga through moko kauwae, through other things, where they have embraced those. Their schools have embraced them. They have found a new love of learning. They have said how liberating it is for their education, and all the evidence stacks that up. This is not a conceptual debate; this is real life. If the Minister agrees that those school uniform guidelines should stand, then I would like that to be on the Hansard so there is absolutely no doubt that we are not ripping away things that have been built carefully with students at the centre of the of the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u002215d9de94074641bd84e0c7da1f30e371\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002215d9de94074641bd84e0c7da1f30e371\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019ve already said this a number of times and I\u2019m in danger of repeating myself, but if the member looks at the Amendment Paper, firstly, it does say, \u201Ctakes [all] reasonable steps to ensure the policies and practices [at] the school reflect New Zealand\u2019s cultural diversity:\u201D, and I expect that schools, as self-managing entities, will continue to do exactly that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThere are a number of things in section 127 that are not changing: that a school is a physically and emotionally safe place for its students; that it gives effect to relevant student rights set out in this Act and the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThere are a number of things that are already in the Act that protect against those things; it wasn\u2019t suddenly in just the last few years since the previous Labour Government put in the obligation for a board of trustees to give effect to the Treaty that suddenly gave rise to all of these things. In fact, the Opposition are speaking like this is a duty that has been on school boards since the dawn of time of boards, which is 1989. In fact, it\u2019s only been in since 2020 and it hasn\u2019t given rise to these things. In fact, since it\u2019s been in place, the core tenet, as I\u2019ve said, of giving effect to the Treaty, which is raising student achievement, has gone backwards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EI can assure that member that schools are self-managing entities, and they will still take these decisions and continue to do so because it is here and we\u2019re being very clear in the legislation: take reasonable steps to ensure that the policies and practices of its school reflect New Zealand\u2019s cultural diversity. I\u2019m answering all of that member\u2019s questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229a9c205f95fc4f5c8943b440b9f5cb1d\u0022 data-id=\u0022e64576eb8d40432c849c2e32e09052e6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229a9c205f95fc4f5c8943b440b9f5cb1d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e64576eb8d40432c849c2e32e09052e6\u0022\u003EGRANT McCALLUM (National\u2014Northland):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022769988f97d0c4c74833a89e0ba057a2b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022769988f97d0c4c74833a89e0ba057a2b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that debate on this question now close. All those in favour say Aye; to the contrary, No. The Ayes have it? The Ayes have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226d0b5642e13f4c68918015920961c554\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: The Noes have it. Party vote, please. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00223e71bb389b1243f1ad72c53fe28e49a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223e71bb389b1243f1ad72c53fe28e49a5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Too late, sorry. I\u2019ve just called the Ayes have it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to Amendment Paper 364 amending new clause 15AAA be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e0e50afe1979483fbdbb92cdf0f3775e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00226d2f15a5f215423b9ab419fa2ada5e9d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226d2f15a5f215423b9ab419fa2ada5e9d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Papers 364 and 428 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226644c1e7bf4b4295a553a812564a4609\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00222b4527ccd7cc44a98ca3a1687f55a268\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222b4527ccd7cc44a98ca3a1687f55a268\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 403 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022379b8782c03d471383c07b7f5d3864cf\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd8b573fec314c41800f7ca2c4e5f7d9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd8b573fec314c41800f7ca2c4e5f7d9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause 5 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002244f35c18d2b940f08b5469227cf720fe\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00221e9998bfbf0b4ec4a058f2d59b6824f5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221e9998bfbf0b4ec4a058f2d59b6824f5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to clause 6 set out on Amendment Paper 404 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s remaining amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 404 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00228abf86103bba4ce195bea8f3e3985e12\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022aa022c0e50a248fdaa69696cd1bd4d98\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aa022c0e50a248fdaa69696cd1bd4d98\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendments to clause 8, new subsections (2) and (3) of section 127, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022d7fc3234b0014d8bb67c0bb3f8d39d32\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00225eb7d1e39071468ca47aba88872b415f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225eb7d1e39071468ca47aba88872b415f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 411 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022149a3fbff689452f968becf41fc18699\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c212b1436fbc4557b8eb3d79a12fe865\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c212b1436fbc4557b8eb3d79a12fe865\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 8, new section 127(1), to insert \u201Cand to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002249ff5528b5c340418db8ea8519841f61\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00228d420eafb4904a829063bb00be1aebf8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228d420eafb4904a829063bb00be1aebf8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 8, new section 127(1), to insert \u201Cwhile upholding, protecting, and promoting the best interests of the child\u201D, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222f7bac71e707474f932ec54e7b623f39\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022a94fad5797da4fd39ef114fcf8ded4c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a94fad5797da4fd39ef114fcf8ded4c4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 412 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022ba7e182d3c924b7ca52f05f986638db0\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002234ce0727970b488a9af484bcaf4caca5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002234ce0727970b488a9af484bcaf4caca5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 8, new section 127(2)(c)(ii), be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00224b74ea1158604de9bd8d09a9ac75ff8f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002281016a651ef04f048d2cc89c327335ec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002281016a651ef04f048d2cc89c327335ec\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 413 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022097b609a8f70481abbed39cb29ae3313\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022e865cab75dba4de5ab4b9527ca37c8f2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e865cab75dba4de5ab4b9527ca37c8f2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 414 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225a462b09a56a46c3a2438a443437127c\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002264ad9a5daf864c14ba8c1f4f37ee0f78\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002264ad9a5daf864c14ba8c1f4f37ee0f78\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 415 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EThe Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 87, new section 127(2)(e)(ii), is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 416 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 405 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022a2584a057e344d7b9a343ed118f23f86\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00225f93c1d2229e495eadf72c574fdcc034\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225f93c1d2229e495eadf72c574fdcc034\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 9, new sections 137A(2) and 137B be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222ffa84b1b14442998240fae18c3ac48c\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00220d7f3372f69e405f8eccb3a1a03cce7f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220d7f3372f69e405f8eccb3a1a03cce7f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 406 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e9aeec7fb63846909fa32feba87d9a4e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00224d1a225da0e64c67ab474ca748b0e506\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224d1a225da0e64c67ab474ca748b0e506\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Shanan Halbert\u2019s tabled amendment deleting clause 11 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022df5d6259638c40c6aa9819d6e3619e85\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002220326ef1b4204fbcb1af602efaab39d2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002220326ef1b4204fbcb1af602efaab39d2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 407 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002223172cf81d644b60887eb7eca6740956\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00226c286d66428d4b7c9088d37db2a67c6c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226c286d66428d4b7c9088d37db2a67c6c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Shanan Halbert\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 12 deleting new section 281A be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022be6372bfa7a448d3ba13e149f73b732f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c7832746137c4408a4beef1a5a7bb7d6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c7832746137c4408a4beef1a5a7bb7d6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 408 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002291a39f9fc500417e9f364bb746b28c30\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002286db4aae8bce4899958db76ffa597888\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002286db4aae8bce4899958db76ffa597888\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Just confirming that I do have a track on the time, but we\u2019ve just got a few more votes to go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 409 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022f7fe001f4eac48adafedde41d28bfd37\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002231ddd1c247884be285207176bf58a3d0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002231ddd1c247884be285207176bf58a3d0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 410 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002262c2626030314b24a9304f1cb6e4568f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0a6e1cdbd474af6aa30b23a46d866de\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0a6e1cdbd474af6aa30b23a46d866de\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Shanan Halbert\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 12 deleting new section 281B be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022b859380ab88548ddab3f131e31455e5b\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00225af61a59e2d04aef9cefe17803b8d1a5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225af61a59e2d04aef9cefe17803b8d1a5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Shanan Halbert\u2019s tabled amendment deleting clause 13 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222f4fef6904664ff79e185ac06e4a6f75\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea0cbb23e632421e9816e88b54fc25f2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea0cbb23e632421e9816e88b54fc25f2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 417 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002231a627f6ff53402b828313dc4d6e6bc3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f8ffa28225a1497eadb4040a560e8c67\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f8ffa28225a1497eadb4040a560e8c67\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 418 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002228f17b847f694b40af5585612f490d65\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002253cbdf717cfe4dfba836e9527c070ec1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002253cbdf717cfe4dfba836e9527c070ec1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 15(3), inserting new subsection (7) of section 479, be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002258da2a1f23464701ae1085e04aa00b93\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002290edcf7e99ce4c6eb17c1994c53f9c85\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002290edcf7e99ce4c6eb17c1994c53f9c85\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 419 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00227c0880b5d0684519888313a8879201b4\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00228fa9177e7d694ffeaa6d141897000cdc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228fa9177e7d694ffeaa6d141897000cdc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 420 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002231c038e0c7bf4120a37837cd8768abfa\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022a3337b877d594f9795afd91ecbb24157\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a3337b877d594f9795afd91ecbb24157\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 21 replacing \u201C7\u201D with \u201C3\u201D is out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 421 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002213372e16806c4353897d85e9e55bfcaa\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002247d7eedf23f14d6f83e2b252063d2e01\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Part 1 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart 1 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00221feaf474cc4f4dcd99c2ca716320137a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221feaf474cc4f4dcd99c2ca716320137a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time has come to suspend the House for the dinner break. We will return at 7.30 and begin Part 2. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6.16 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002221fda272c39741808b03d1394bd905f4\u0022\u003EPart 2  Amendments to other legislation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u00224706ae5b6d6446b385831a34bf0a9485\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224706ae5b6d6446b385831a34bf0a9485\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the committee is resumed on the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2). When we rose for the dinner break, we had just finished voting on Part 1. We now come to Part 2, which is the debate on clauses 29A to 30, \u201CAmendments to other legislation\u201D, and Schedule 2. The question is that Part 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022b57ca3a9b2cf4fa1929dd3a2d0228940\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b57ca3a9b2cf4fa1929dd3a2d0228940\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Point of order. Thank you, Madam Chair. I just want to raise the fact that this is the earliest time we were able to raise a point of order after voting. When we were voting on the bill, before we were seeking to the Chair that there are still substantial sections in Part 1 that weren\u2019t covered, we had both the responsible Ministers diligently sitting in their chairs waiting for their chance to speak on their part on attendance, universities\u2014also noting for the Chair that the Minister dropped a significant amendment yesterday, on the Teaching Council, that we haven\u2019t had the chance to address, as well. This obviously has significant public interest and the public was not consulted. I want to seek your advice as the Chair on when it\u2019s been voted, whether we can still have the opportunity in this section to seek some clarifications and questions for the Minister regarding the relevant parts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022673102ad529a4c77935743895915fe58\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022673102ad529a4c77935743895915fe58\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, so it\u2019s not the Chair\u2019s role to direct the questioning. Members have the ability to direct questions to the relevant Ministers in the room. However, if you are able to address your concerns or your questions in Part 2 or the \u201CTitle\u201D and \u201CCommencement\u201D stages, then that\u2019s fine as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022 data-id=\u00224358171168894ffea7fe67e030e76d12\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224358171168894ffea7fe67e030e76d12\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Speaking to the point of order, Madam Chair. An example of that is we had agreed to discuss the freedom of expression component relating to universities in New Zealand in this legislation. It does sit in Part 1. We had an understanding from the Chair and from the Minister to be able to speak to Minister Reti as the responsible Minister in that part. We weren\u2019t given a signal by the Chair at the time to be able to shift into that debate. It is quite a large component on that, and I\u2019m just seeking your guidance and would appreciate consideration to be able to discuss that as part of \u201CTitle\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236cec8bea1d14998836aff332d31c3b1\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022371943ae69244d07a6c984e3d1c8e94e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022371943ae69244d07a6c984e3d1c8e94e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Just a minute. As I\u2019ve explained to Lawrence Xu-Nan, it\u2019s not the Chair\u2019s role to direct how members wish to question the Minister or the other Ministers who are in the room. So after two hours\u2014I think\u2014if there hadn\u2019t been a question based on those topics, then I think the opportunity is lost. But as I have said, if you can broaden your questions into Part 2 and \u201CTitle\u201D and \u201CCommencement\u201D, that is another opportunity where it could be addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f913be62c95b46929775cab970d7f092\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f913be62c95b46929775cab970d7f092\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Speaking to the point of order, if I may. Madam Chair, I just note that the Chair before the dinner break chose to accept a closure motion in full knowledge of where members had directed their questions, so now to dispute that Chair\u2019s ruling is actually disorderly in itself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee3ef8f4f090430e960ed903e83cce5b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee3ef8f4f090430e960ed903e83cce5b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: My rationale is to be helpful to members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cfb9347deb154c7c92c54f657b62ee1e\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287d9e197bb22426e84557d982c2b21b2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: So you are seeking the call now? I call Lawrence Xu-Nan. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022a1a8dcc4c44e411881dd958ab038a319\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a1a8dcc4c44e411881dd958ab038a319\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I do want to draw the Minister of Education\u2019s attention specifically to some of the questions I have around clause 29A, \u201CPrincipal regulations\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EWhen we\u2019re looking at Part 2, the main element of this part is to amend the Education (School Planning and Reporting) Regulations, and also in terms of what we see in Schedule 2, as well, which is also part of Part 2. One of the key aspects of the school planning and reporting regulations, and one of the things we see here in terms of the preparation of the first and subsequent strategic plan\u2014a key component of that is, actually, when we\u2019re looking at its association and the reason it\u2019s also been delayed, as well, in relevance to the attendance management plan. I actually do want to ask the Minister some questions on the school planning and reporting plan, and how it\u2019s going to relate to the attendance management plan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ENow, on the attendance management plan, I know that we have voted on some of the earlier clauses, so I won\u2019t dwell on my amendment or even the vote, but I do want to check with the Minister that both in terms of something like the attendance management plan but also school planning and reporting regulations, whether there is going to be a broader scope of\u2014I guess a scope that broadens to some of the social impact that\u2019s related to how a school can plan and report on things like truancy and on things like school attendance. The reason I ask this question to the Minister is because we have seen significant investment this year in truancy, which is an important element of any school\u2019s planning and reporting, but, more importantly, as I\u2019m travelling around the country and talking to different schools, I realise that a school\u2019s ability to plan and report is a lot more complex than simply just to say that students need to attend school.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI guess, through this particular part, has the Minister, then, considered, as a requirement for the schools\u2019 planning and reporting, and in conjunction with an attendance management plan, how a school is meant to be given additional resources? They have already identified issues, but giving additional resources that genuinely address things around school attendance, such as the fact that we have one of the highest rates in the OECD\u2014I know the Minister likes OECD data\u2014for school bullying. We\u2019re seeing in the latest report by Asian Family Services, 46.3 percent of parents report that their child has been bullied at school. We know that bullying is a major driver of truancy. We also hear from communities, and particularly rural communities, that the cancellation of school bus routes has been a significant factor when it comes to school attendance and issues with school attendance and students being able to attend.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ETying into clause 29A, I want to ask the Minister: while a school is looking at planning and reporting and attendance, how are they going to address some of these broader societal issues or broader issues that are within the realm of a departmental expenditure by the ministry, as opposed to a school\u2019s own ability to make certain changes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u00221ef5b6ad6c7a4f97b562482c7fc02527\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ef5b6ad6c7a4f97b562482c7fc02527\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Part 2, the consequential amendment, is very narrow. It is around extending the date\u20141 January 2026 to 1 January 2027\u2014for school boards to prepare and deliver their strategic plan. I\u2019ll answer questions around that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u002278bd192eb1bf4a7d9dea588d6d66f1b8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002278bd192eb1bf4a7d9dea588d6d66f1b8\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E While I appreciate what the Minister of Education\u2019s saying in terms of the dates, the Minister will certainly be aware that anything you put on the table\u2014we can actually ask that. Considering that we are looking at amendments\u2014and we have seen multiple instances, including the fact that, under clause 3, we\u2019re able to discuss maybe more broadly some of the purpose and principles around the Education and Training Act 2020\u2014it is not beyond the scope of a committee stage for us to also ask questions around the Education (School Planning and Reporting) Regulations in general.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EMy question, again, to the Minister is: while we\u2019re looking at the regulations in the context of education, school planning and reporting, what is the Minister\u2019s idea of how a school is able to plan and report with the kind of changes that we are seeing currently\u2014which then involves attendance, which then does involve things like curriculum, which does involve things like changes to the way that teachers are able to have the kind of autonomy to be able to fully participate and have the kind of autonomy to do the work, and schools have the autonomy to do the work that they do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EAgain, drawing on the Minister\u2019s own release on the amendment that is being dropped in this amendment bill around the Teaching Council, but just drawing on the example that the Minister has used evidence from Teaching and Learning International Survey (TALIS), the OECD report 2024, as a rationale for some of these. We are also seeing, within that same TALIS report 2024, that it talks about the fact that schools and teachers are really struggling with the lack of decision-making authority that they have. Again, when we are looking at school planning and reporting, I ask the Minister: how is she going to ensure that schools are able to plan and report when all of these changes are happening?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ENow, the reason I also mention that is I want to draw attention to the Minister and ask the Minister to consider my amendment for clause 29B in terms of the date, because the Minister\u2014you\u2019re right, it does already replace the date from 1 January 2026 to 1 January 2027. But in my amendment, I make the argument that with the kind of changes that we\u2019re seeing\u2014and particularly with some of the changes that we\u2019re seeing in, let\u2019s say, NCEA, which isn\u2019t coming into effect until much later\u2014a prudent way of asking schools to be able to have that ability to prepare for the first and subsequent strategic plans, which is 29B, is to delay it by a further year. I do ask, in combination with the questions I asked before, that the Minister consider my amendment that moves the date from 1\u00A0January 2027 to 1 January 2028.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u0022c8b525257f47442ebf3ae0c34c125069\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c8b525257f47442ebf3ae0c34c125069\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Almost everything that the member mentioned is completely out of scope, and I\u2019m not going to address it, for that reason. In answer to his second part, which is in scope\u2014his amendment to change the time\u2014I would note that this change from 1\u00A0January 2026 to 1 January 2027 was something that the Education and Workforce Committee themselves had put forward and was accepted by the select committee. We agree with it and we\u2019re not going to change it any further. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022 data-id=\u00221507c3d6843743ab9351df1f363dfae9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221507c3d6843743ab9351df1f363dfae9\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. If I can just help the Minister of Education and take her to clause 30\u2014we\u2019re in Part 2, clause 30. Clause 30 is talking about consequential amendments to secondary legislation, and in there it is amending secondary legislation as specified in Schedule 2, as set out in that schedule. If we then go to Schedule 2, it\u2019s consequential amendments to secondary legislation. In there, in particular, I want to talk about the Education (School Planning and Reporting) Regulations 2023. This is in scope, for the Minister\u2019s benefit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EMy questions are around the change with \u201Creplace regulation 7(1)(f) with the following\u201D, which is (f)\u2014that\u2019s the board strategies for giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, \u201Cincluding strategies for: (i) achieving equitable outcomes for M\u0101ori students; (ii) working to ensure its plans, policies, and\u201D\u2014and then the word\u2019s crossed out, \u201Clocal curriculum\u201D, and it\u2019s replaced with \u201Cteaching and learning programmes reflect local tikanga M\u0101ori, m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori, and te ao M\u0101ori; and (iii) taking all reasonable steps to make instruction available in tikanga M\u0101ori and te reo M\u0101ori\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EMy questions for the Minister are around these consequential amendments that are being made to the Education (School Planning and Reporting) Regulations, and in particular to talk about the removal of the term \u201Clocal curriculum\u201D and the replacing it with \u201Cteaching and learning programmes\u201D. This is a significant change, because teaching and learning programmes are the how of the curriculum, not the what of the curriculum. I think this is a significant change. It\u2019s important that the public listening tonight are aware that this Government is wanting to remove from boards that responsibility around local curriculum.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EWhy would they want to do that? What else have we seen recently with the release of the refreshed/rewritten curriculum: the minimising of local Aotearoa histories in our school. Local curriculum is a broader concept that refers to the entirety of what a school does, inclusive of teaching and learning programmes, enabling school boards to match learners\u2019 needs within the community and to the national curriculum. Reference to the local curriculum empowers teachers to implement the national curriculum in the context that is specific and relevant to the children in their school, and this promotes educational achievement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EThe process of developing local curriculum is one of the main ways that schools and kura have to build relationships and connections with wh\u0101nau, with parents, with hap\u016B, with iwi, with mana whenua, and with communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003EWhen the Minister spoke earlier about the board having no obligations now to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, she talked about the Crown\u2019s duty in terms of Article 3 of the Treaty, but she didn\u2019t talk about any of the Crown\u2019s responsibilities in terms of Article 1 and Article 2. In Article 1, we have partnership; in Article 2, we have rangatiratanga. I want to know how the Minister, in this clause 30, in Part 2, where we are now amending the secondary legislation based on what was voted on earlier, where we have the removing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi as well as the replacing of local curriculum\u2014can the Minister please explain to us why she thinks that is appropriate, how this is not minimising that Treaty relationship, that importance of local curriculum, and the national curriculum in its local context? Can the Minister, please\u2014because I believe it is in scope\u2014address those?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u00225a988e1968384c8db2ca4b4c60f46491\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225a988e1968384c8db2ca4b4c60f46491\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E To be helpful to that member, that particular part in Schedule 2 that she is talking about has been replaced, so all of the things she was talking about have been replaced by Schedule 2 in my Amendment Paper that we already voted on. In terms of Schedule 2, the only parts we are now debating are the first parts: the Education (Early Childhood Services) Regulations 2008 and the Education (School Planning and Reporting) Regulations 2023. But where it says \u201CReplace regulation 7(1)(f) with:\u201D, that was replaced with Schedule 2 in the Amendment Paper. We\u2019ve already voted on it, so that is out of scope.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022 data-id=\u00220918ca42ab124e93b074318a4f14ea5a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220918ca42ab124e93b074318a4f14ea5a\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022ecd4c0c7158c40978c9030693b651b18\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ecd4c0c7158c40978c9030693b651b18\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Not quite yet. The Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2014but I do just want to alert members that we\u2019ve had only three speeches to the Minister of Education, but we want to keep it very tight on this Part 2, and especially the schedules. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022 data-id=\u0022cc4ad6231ddc4c058b37845203191e36\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cc4ad6231ddc4c058b37845203191e36\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E That\u2019s right, Madam Chair, and I did keep it very tight to clause 30, and I was asking about those consequential amendments to secondary legislation, which the Minister is trying to tell me is out of scope. I am seeking your guidance, Madam Chair: is the Minister correct that that is out of scope? Because I asked a serious\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022db14870f03904b0f9bbb718a56491cab\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Did I say that was out of scope?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022767276c1e84943278bf491754cdc6578\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: No, you didn\u2019t, did you? Oh, so the Minister\u2014[Inaudible]. Thank you. Well, then\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022139262e785ef4e508cb98a02ad411d01\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. I\u2019m sorry, the member just said that the Minister lied\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a3f8859d8d31489693f762fb0882d549\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: No, I didn\u2019t. I said you were wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228397884d843340b18b6e0d6539538e20\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: I heard you say that the Minister lied, and that is not appropriate for this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275ca553665094753962946de9213fa0d\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: No, I said she was wrong.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cfbfdb1f4a04887bcf23b8c31792abb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m sorry, I didn\u2019t hear it. If that\u2019s the case, I was obviously distracted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229dd90fef3b154d48a87cee7699c37a6a\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Review it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221cca4e5c62c3480d82335239302f0f06\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: No, review it. I don\u2019t believe I said she lied. What I said was, I think she is wrong to say that this is out of scope, and I was seeking your direction, and you said you didn\u2019t say that, she did\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223cdc31b8b54a43fab8f2757e01d9a7c4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We can check. It\u2019ll just take a few minutes to get it. [Consults with Clerk] Yeah, we can\u2019t check it immediately, so we\u2019ll have to come back to it. Willow-Jean Prime.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292778a21cb874a36ba51e968282fad07\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. Given that you did not say that these are out of scope, I would like the Minister of Education to answer my questions that I asked in terms of the consequential amendments to Schedule 2, which is the \u201CEducation (School Planning and Reporting) Regulations 2023\u201D and, in particular, my questions around the \u201Clocal curriculum\u201D. What does that actually mean in terms of these regulations? Can you please explain all of that in terms of \u201Clocal curriculum\u201D and the points that I made, and Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and\u2014I\u2019ll add a couple to that, Madam Chair: did you consult with those schools\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284987cc0f881433098dbee0c24047fc7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I didn\u2019t.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225afb979e6dcc4b2bac3c60a1f15e30a6\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: The Minister\u2014and those boards, and the wh\u0101nau, hap\u016B, iwi, mana whenua\u2014your Treaty partners\u2014on these changes that you\u2019re making to these regulations?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u0022b812af476c30458ea933dea700d7e85b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b812af476c30458ea933dea700d7e85b\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E Once again, for the member, the bit that she is talking about is being replaced. She keeps mentioning the words \u201Clocal curriculum\u201D; I just draw to her attention that that part in Schedule 2 has been replaced by my Amendment Paper 428, so she should look at the Amendment Paper for the correct part. This is just a consequential amendment. We\u2019ve already covered this in Part 1. All this does is take that and put it into the regulations as a consequential amendment. That\u2019s important to democracy, to make sure that our regulations and our legislation are the same.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003ENow, the member asked many, many, many questions and took the entire two hours to talk about this part. We\u2019ve covered it at length and this is a consequential amendment, but I would like to draw her attention to the correct one that she should read from, which is in the Amendment Paper, which we have already voted on. It is no longer in scope.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022ba52c3a9906c4bda8e639129999d1f59\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ba52c3a9906c4bda8e639129999d1f59\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I think one of the things that we were querying earlier was the fact that the Minister of Education mentioned that we have already voted on that. I think in terms of the voting part, this part on Schedule 2 will not be voted on until we conclude Schedule 2. Within the Schedule 2 from Amendment Paper 428 that the Minister is talking about, I do want to acknowledge the Minister for saying that it substantially changes what we\u2019re seeing in Schedule 2 of the amendment bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EBut it then also means that we should again examine this new Schedule 2 as a completely new thing that has not had the scrutiny of the Education and Workforce Committee. I think it is important for us to spend a little bit of time just to unpack the difference between why there has been such significant change between what is in the original Schedule 2 and what is in the amendment that the Minister released yesterday.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ENow, in terms of replacement regulation 7(1)(f)(i), \u201Cseeking to achieve\u201D, that stays the same. We already covered the part about giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I understand that discussion has now drawn to a close. But I do want to check\u2014and this is where my colleague the Hon Willow-Jean Prime is correct\u2014when we say that what used to be in Schedule 2, in the select committee we changed \u201Clocal curriculum\u201D to \u201Cteaching and learning programmes\u201D. In replacement regulation 7(1)(f)(ii) of the Minister\u2019s amendment, that has changed completely. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EMore importantly, the references to local tikanga M\u0101ori and m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori are now gone. That is significant in light of the fact that we are also removing the part on giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi. So my first question to the Minister is: does Minister think that Te Tiriti o Waitangi or anything around that is only limited to te reo M\u0101ori? What was the Minister\u2019s rationale, then, to remove local tikanga M\u0101ori and m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori from this particular section? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI\u2019m going to leave that as this first question because I think this is quite a significant change from what is in the bill. Again, we are only able to debate on this for the first time today, without any public consultation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022b8a88474ad444a13902b76feca973af2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b8a88474ad444a13902b76feca973af2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m just going to repeat: this particular part of the bill was debated at length in earlier debates. The amendment has been voted on. What we are debating now are the consequential amendments to secondary legislation. We are not re-debating the issues that have been raised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab3182ac79cf481e9eb0820205d9a546\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c4e96ceb0dca4b78925f8c0d36bb2ab7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Just a minute.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022037a2c5e59b841a5be882275e505cd23\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. But Schedule 2 is within scope of Part 2, though, because it is under clause 30, which is Part 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227572b4ac716c44eca70b12d4eb99a750\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I think the member is starting to challenge my ruling. I just want to be clear, the amendments are to secondary legislation. It is not an opportunity to re-debate things that have already been voted on earlier today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022 data-id=\u0022fea8c4ea1d4347fe9a4ad9cdce08122d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fea8c4ea1d4347fe9a4ad9cdce08122d\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00222a112de15a974ae1ba4c3e63e52bc856\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022ebae3cf266a548fc98bd392f8f61f3ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ebae3cf266a548fc98bd392f8f61f3ff\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 2 set out on Amendment Paper 422 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022ec4beb6e08df4b5084ba5eb5d01815b0\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022e4c56f7191df4aedbeecc015bae9ad63\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Part 2 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022d81af2598243484e90861e8678ae49da\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d81af2598243484e90861e8678ae49da\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendment to Schedule 1 set out on Amendment Paper 364 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002250b05b3017df483882f4a3cf4f9264dd\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022a8d0eb1c698049988d316a86e8feace3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a8d0eb1c698049988d316a86e8feace3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Schedule 1 set out on Amendment Paper 424 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00228d089ef5ef624c3fb48f829599144a03\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 49\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00223bd76ea394154d6395cd09f7bf9c25c3\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Schedule 1 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESchedule 1 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022878ba6ed212245b7a1211fee96c13ec2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022878ba6ed212245b7a1211fee96c13ec2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Schedule 2 set out on Amendment Papers 364 and 428 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022234b15f0c79248ac87dc505503a3665e\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u00220052205984b54c98b25a821ec0967b57\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220052205984b54c98b25a821ec0967b57\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendments to Schedule 2 set out on Amendment Paper 403 are out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Schedule 2 set out on Amendment Paper 415 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022ee53a0cd53c743089eb0002f89e6f70d\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That Schedule 2 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESchedule 2 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221d5dd3198d5345dc8e55bb8a7513c0cc\u0022\u003EClauses 1 to 3\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022346d2171596a49d59ab43f45c59dc521\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022346d2171596a49d59ab43f45c59dc521\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to our final debate. This is the debate on clauses 1 to 3: \u201CTitle\u201D, \u201CCommencement\u201D, and \u201CPrincipal Act\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022 data-id=\u00222f6c8bb5baf14e15b902a02ba20ebd84\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222f6c8bb5baf14e15b902a02ba20ebd84\u0022\u003EFRANCISCO HERNANDEZ (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I rise to take a call on the question of commencement and, drawing on your guidance earlier, am attempting to link some parts of the first part that were not adequately discussed, but very much linking it to the commencement date as per your recommendation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003ENow, the commencement of this bill comes into force on the day after Royal assent and my questions are around whether this would apply to all parts of the bill, particularly clauses 11 and 12. These are the parts that confer additional responsibilities on the university councils, or does the Minister anticipate that there\u2019s a transition period for the university councils to adopt these statements on freedom of expression? If it is the day after the commencement, are they expected to have it straight away, or is there more of a kind of gradual transition period whereby the university councils will have time to devise, consult, and create these statements on freedom of expression? I do ask that because I do think some universities have already developed statements on freedom of expression, so that\u2019s not a problem with the commencement date, but others have not yet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EI guess, in terms of the interpretation on some of these things that we didn\u2019t get a chance to flesh out, what does the Minister anticipate in terms of the universities not being able to take public positions on matters? Does that mean that if a university was to take a stance on a public matter after the commencement date of this bill, they would get into trouble? Or if a submission has already been made to an existing legislation, but it was before the commencement date, does that mean that they won\u2019t get into trouble?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003EI\u2019m just curious on the interaction of the commencement date and the requirement of the university to adopt statements of freedom of expression and how it interacts with them not being able to take public positions on matters, particularly as relates to the commencement date. I think that it is really important to tease out what taking a public position on matters as institutions actually does refer to. Does it extend as far as curricula, for example?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225df2e20403fe4bab99af6f2bc800b368\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Maybe, but we\u2019ve debated that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fc3fc0f526740c5a38764049ca79536\u0022\u003EFRANCISCO HERNANDEZ\u003C/span\u003E: Well, \u201Cmaybe\u201D\u2014exactly. Well, I mean, that would be terrible. If a university were to equally have to teach that creationism was as valid as, you know, the scientific theories of evolution, I think all members would agree that was a bad thing. I think it\u2019s really important to clarify what that actual relationship with the commencement date is and whether that retroactively applies to existing curricula and existing things that\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ccc39e78ab294637b6e13b980035282f\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. Madam Chair, these should have relevance. It\u2019s a very narrow question when the Act comes into force. I could help the member. If he looks at the relevant schedule, it\u2019s six months after the Act comes into force that the university must have a plan. The content of it has been debated in earlier parts. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002271bc2a10c835414689f44fda9b3293b9\u0022\u003EFRANCISCO HERNANDEZ\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s not the Minister, so\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b392459e31864c799dbad95adc5eda1d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The member still has the call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022075c3ced28ee480592ad422c98bcaef9\u0022\u003EFRANCISCO HERNANDEZ\u003C/span\u003E: Great, thank you. Oh well, I appreciate the Minister\u2019s contribution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a34d2b996537479cafa3e41daf7cb105\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Well, sit down, then.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229e993a4a461347e9bc28e6c1bb3bae63\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022883e26018b804319940fbf83e591ca74\u0022\u003EFRANCISCO HERNANDEZ\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I still have one minute left so\u2014but I think that it is particularly important on what does apply with that six-month period commencement. Does that retroactively apply to existing curricula and existing past positions that the universities have already taken on statements? Are they required to retroactively pretend that they didn\u2019t have stances on certain issues to comply with this Government diktat, which, essentially, is forcing universities not to take positions on certain issues? Is there an element of retrospectivity with regard to that six-month commencement date that the honourable Minister very helpfully pointed out? I think it would be terrible if it were to retrospectively apply to existing past statements. Also, whether it applies to curricula as well, or whether it\u2019s just expected that \u201Cpublic positions\u201D actually means statements or actual political positions, and it doesn\u2019t actually affect the teaching curricula of the university.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u002256f666e724334647ac3e7a6a69e11109\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000752\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002256f666e724334647ac3e7a6a69e11109\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I also want to speak to the commencement date, clause 2\u2014and I\u2019m just signalling to the Chair, I won\u2019t take a full call because I would like to take a call later on the title. I want to check in terms of that, in conjunction with my Amendment Paper 402, which is to replace \u201Con the day after\u201D with \u201Csix months after\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EThe reason I put this amendment together is mainly because of the fact that what we have seen, especially with the new amendment that has just come out this morning, is that it has caught school boards by surprise; there has been no indication that sufficient time has been given for school boards to be able to be compliant with the bill once the bill has been enacted. Unlike the section on universities, I haven\u2019t seen within this bill, anyway\u2014and the Minister may like to speak to that\u2014that allows school boards to be compliant with the new requirement, or at least shift towards the new requirement once it has been enacted, if it\u2019s only the day after Royal assent. I think a six-month transition period is sensible for the schools to be able to do something like that, unless the Minister is suggesting that while the commencement date comes into force the day after Royal assent, school boards may not need to immediately be compliant or need to make the relevant changes that we see in this bill. That\u2019s, kind of, one element.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI think the other element that we haven\u2019t had a chance to discuss and I think is quite significant is to do with how the commencement date is going to work with the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 364, on the changing of the composition of the Teaching Council. Now, this has raised significant concerns since this amendment has come out, and I want to check with the Minister, because I\u2019m assuming the Minister isn\u2019t going to respond on whether this is actually considered now that the membership is dominated more so by Minister-appointed members, as opposed to independently elected. The Minister may or may not wish to address the fact of what that meant for the independence of the Teaching Council, which is a huge concern.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EBut, from a commencement date perspective, I want to check: once this bill comes into effect the day after Royal assent, at what point the Teaching Council will need to change its membership, noting that in section 486 of the Education and Training Act, the Teaching Council does have at least a mandate on how they are meant to do their nomination and process. But does it apply to the Minister-appointed members on that committee? I\u2019m seeing a shaking of the head from officials.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000756\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ENow, if the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind just elucidating this committee on how that particular election process and transition from an independent majority Teaching Council to a Minister-appointed majority Teaching Council is going to work after the commencement of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002252fb8bf488eb4d8bb810d717a25a64a9\u0022 data-id=\u0022d3b75490757644f38b94bbf60ea0d7c9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000757\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002252fb8bf488eb4d8bb810d717a25a64a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d3b75490757644f38b94bbf60ea0d7c9\u0022\u003ECAMILLA BELICH (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. This is my first opportunity to make a contribution in this bill\u2014regretfully at the latter stages of the debate, focused quite narrowly on the three clauses that we have remaining in front of us\u2014and so I wanted to make a couple of comments around a few of those.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002252fb8bf488eb4d8bb810d717a25a64a9\u0022\u003EFirst of all, with the commencement. Now, this is not a bill that I have worked on at the Education and Workforce Committee at all. So when I was reading it today, I read the primary amendment piece of legislation, the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2), and I looked at it and tried to understand. I looked at the original piece of legislation that it\u2019s amending, which is the Education and Training Act, and tried to piece those two together. But, of course, as the House and the committee will be well aware, it\u2019s not possible to understand this particular Act by reading those two pieces of legislation and draft legislation because of the number of Amendment Papers that have been put forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002252fb8bf488eb4d8bb810d717a25a64a9\u0022\u003EI think this is relevant to clause 2\u2014\u201CCommencement\u201D\u2014because of the late nature of the two Amendment Papers, and the primary ones that I\u2019m looking at are 364 and 428, which I\u2019m not looking to debate at this stage, but I think that because they raise such significant changes to the bill, perhaps the Minister of Education could consider later commencement dates for the changes contained within those Amendment Papers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002252fb8bf488eb4d8bb810d717a25a64a9\u0022\u003EFor example, Amendment Paper 428, which looks to remove the Treaty clauses and instead replace that with other duties that could, for example\u2014and I suggest this amendment to the Minister now\u2014come in, say, \u201Cone year after Royal assent\u201D as opposed to \u201Cat Royal assent\u201D, to give time for this to be socialised with the sector. Obviously, we haven\u2019t had a select committee stage; we haven\u2019t had the ability to hear submissions on this. We haven\u2019t had a particularly long committee stage, Madam Chair. That\u2019s not a criticism, that\u2019s just a reflection of the fact that committee stages are, by their nature, not perhaps the best way to scrutinise these. That would be a suggestion that I would make to clause 2 of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002252fb8bf488eb4d8bb810d717a25a64a9\u0022\u003EAlso, in addition to that, obviously Amendment Paper 364. I was checking with my colleagues, and they said that a number of these changes haven\u2019t been traversed in relation to the Teaching Council that extensively. These were quite surprising changes that I saw reported in the media; that there was going to be a significant change to the way that the teaching profession was going to be regulated. There is a question, I think, as to whether it is appropriate for those significant changes to come in without a select committee process, without the chance to socialise that, not only with the Teaching Council, those employed by the Teaching Council, those affected by the changes to the governance of the Teaching Council, those impacted in the wider education sector, the profession. I think that would merit consideration of a later commencement date for those changes contained within Amendment Paper 364. I\u2019d like the Minister, if possible, to comment on those.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002252fb8bf488eb4d8bb810d717a25a64a9\u0022\u003EIn terms of the title, obviously there are other probably not very realistic titles that I could suggest and are often suggested at this stage. It\u2019s not my intention at this stage; although, perhaps maybe some other members would like to suggest some title changes that may be more reflective of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002252fb8bf488eb4d8bb810d717a25a64a9\u0022\u003EBut, actually, the fact that we\u2019ve already had two Education and Training Amendment Acts this year, I think, warrants consideration of whether it should be changed to a title\u2014not a title which doesn\u2019t reflect the content of the bill, not a title which is a ridiculous suggestion, but something that actually reflects what this actually does. My suggestion to the Minister would be instead of the Education and Training Amendment Act (No 2) 2025, whether she would consider changing that to the \u201CEducation (Removal of Teaching Council Provisions and Removal of Treaty Clauses) Amendment Bill\u201D because that is what the bill actually does. I wondered if the Minister would be able to seriously consider those suggestions around commencement and the appropriateness of the commencement of this\u2014we\u2019ve got such a short period of consultation\u2014and also whether the title does, in fact, reflect the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022 data-id=\u0022f49ae144db2c4f96b417f55e61b375c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f49ae144db2c4f96b417f55e61b375c4\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m not sure if the member Camilla Belich was here earlier when we were discussing the fact that we are giving schools a whole additional year to do their next strategic plan. The last bit we\u2019ve just finished voting on moves that from 1 January next year to 1 January 2027, and so there is plenty of time for schools to look at the new section 127 and the new regulations, and then put them into their strategic plans. We\u2019ve already discussed that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EIn terms of the Teaching Council, it is a very minor change. It\u2019s just an additional person and we will make that change immediately, and so there\u2019s no reason for us to do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022625b767707f6446e8d6a0fe3b7de0c5a\u0022\u003EThe member also suggested a change saying that, essentially, the bill is only about two things; the bill is a lot more than that. Unfortunately, members in this committee stage didn\u2019t ask any questions on any other part of the bill. That\u2019s why we didn\u2019t get to talk about it, and so it\u2019s really unfortunate. But there are a lot more things in the bill, and so I think that the bill\u2019s title should stay the same.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022 data-id=\u0022f4de054e4d354b67bbc036dbaf1375c1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000767\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224653ab470afe42beb97a6de14d326409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f4de054e4d354b67bbc036dbaf1375c1\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Just wanting to pick up on that point that the Minister of Education made. Just for absolute clarity for all of our schools and kura out there, are you saying that their current strategic plans which give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, which outline the things that I said earlier about the legislation, which have now been replaced with the strategies in your Amendment Paper\u2014so for all of next year, their current strategic plans are the ones that they will be governing their schools in accordance with? Your changes are not required to come into effect until 2027, is that right? Could you just clarify for all those schools in their planning?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000768\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb149b209d4f48938e725b4449d05417\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022727c77ac7f1345b8a5e11b7021acc0bc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000769\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022727c77ac7f1345b8a5e11b7021acc0bc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m going to call Lawrence Xu-Nan, but I can\u2019t hear much more new material coming in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022484c5561dc49436f83c720cee41d6f44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000770\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022484c5561dc49436f83c720cee41d6f44\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for this opportunity. I do want to address the title of this bill because I have a number of amendments to the title. But I want to, first, thank the Minister of Education for responding to my questions. That\u2019s very helpful. So thank you, Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000771\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EIn terms of the title of the bill, we\u2019ve heard previously from my colleague Camilla Belich that the title should reflect the bill, and this is the second education and training bill, not including the early childhood education reform bill that\u2019s coming up as well. But I think to capture everything, like the Minister suggested, my tabled amendment is to call it the \u201CEducation and Training (Broad Objectives, Attendance, Teaching Councils, and Other Matters) Amendment Bill\u201D, which does, in fact, capture everything and is inclusive of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EBut looking at the title, summing up what we have discussed in the committee stage today, there are things that I think are better reflected within the title, because one of the things that we have heard consistently is the fact that we are removing the giving effect to Te Tiriti in section 127 of the Act. We are removing, even in some of the supporting objectives, the idea of local tikanga M\u0101ori and m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori. We are looking at the fact that te reo M\u0101ori for \u0101konga M\u0101ori in mainstream is only available should they ask for it, as opposed to the default.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000773\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EI think I would like the Minister to seriously consider my amendment, which is to call the bill the \u201CEducation and Training (Recolonising Education) Amendment Bill\u201D, because that\u2019s kind of what we\u2019re seeing here in terms of the amount of things that have been removed as part of this bill. It\u2019s really important when we do look at education, Minister, that we are looking at education that is appropriate in the context of the students and in the context of those who are learning and who are being educated in our system, because if they cannot find relevance in there, it is much harder for them to get the educational outcome that the Minister has mentioned throughout this committee stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EIn many ways, this is very similar to what we\u2019re seeing when we first start to learn about things like phonics, which the Minister has mentioned throughout this debate. When we\u2019re learning about our A, Bs, and Cs, we\u2019re learning that \u201CA is for Antelope, L is for Llama\u201D, and those are kind of the things that, for some students, they may never see in their entire life. How are students able to relate to that, how are students able to learn best from that if they cannot find the relevance? My amendment that I would like the Minister to consider is changing the title to the \u201CEducation and Training (Antelopes and Llamas) Amendment Bill\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000775\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EFinally, I would like the Minister to consider the fact that when we\u2019re looking at the packaging of the changes to section 127 with the removal of giving effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, we are looking at the changes that we are making to the Teaching Council. We are looking at the fact that we\u2019re introducing a redundant piece of legislation on freedom of expression, as many universities already have a policy on that. A better title of this bill is the \u201CEducation and Training (Atlas\u2019s Puppet) Amendment Bill\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022 data-id=\u00224104afe492344e259f2948d6c5415b44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000776\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224104afe492344e259f2948d6c5415b44\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00226e5a53156de34055925429f769f9786f\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022d621493dbac64f4fad883ec6198a8591\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000777\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d621493dbac64f4fad883ec6198a8591\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to clause 1 to insert \u201C(Board Objectives, Attendance, Teaching Council and Other Matters)\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002239db3506228a4b5a98a1ff660de0b5eb\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u00224997aa01452d41e39ee9d0ae3c5c15db\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000778\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224997aa01452d41e39ee9d0ae3c5c15db\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s remaining amendments to clause 1 are out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000779\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003EThe Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s 14 tabled amendments to clause 1 are out of order as not being an objective description of the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00225a18fb583ca144d1b74c20e53cf9c4eb\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause 1 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022d2ef356531de4ac8a22c6484e04ddc3a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000780\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d2ef356531de4ac8a22c6484e04ddc3a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to clause 2 set out on Amendment Paper 402 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002273ddc6e5295a4a4b8dc293d1157de137\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15;Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u00A06.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u0022dff49cb9471b4904aa24f7945baad818\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause 2 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u00227d9537c59cd442a4b5a4565a3f086a8b\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That clause 3 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 68\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 3 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000781\u0022\u003EBill to be reported with amendment.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000782\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c09ae72ff38b4d97a95838550ba8ac74\u0022\u003EMedicines Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000783\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223eb469a2092043c6857ba5f31e01b827\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000784\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b176907183414116b326009f696539d8\u0022\u003EPart 1  Consent to distribute medicines by verification\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022acb36179f24747268cc58fa0c36703be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000785\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022acb36179f24747268cc58fa0c36703be\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to the Medicines Amendment Bill. We start with Part 1, which is the debate on clauses 4 to 10, \u201CConsent to distribute medicines by verification\u201D. The question is that Part 1 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022 data-id=\u0022aff20261e72b4e8ea5e5f6bc4769cd22\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000786\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022aff20261e72b4e8ea5e5f6bc4769cd22\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. It\u2019s nice to see this bill enter the committee stage and to see it come through with many improvements made by the Health Committee. We\u2019re always grateful for the opportunity to be able to participate in panel-beating the bill at select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000787\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to ask the Associate Minister of Health some questions tonight. The first one, I\u2019d like to link to the original policy intent of the bill. Clause 4, the \u201Cconsent by verification\u201D, which is the main innovation in this bill: I\u2019d like to hear from the Minister why this consent by verification and the verification pathway applies to new medicines, and what is meant by a \u201Cnew\u201D medicine. What about other already approved medicines that might have a minor change, like a change in their presentation, or a minor change in their formulation that doesn\u2019t require a full evidence review? Why is that not part of the verification pathway, given that, on the surface, you\u2019d think those would be lower-risk types of changes and, perhaps, more frequent than the need to actually verify new medicines? I would appreciate it if the Minister could expand on why this consent by verification pathway only applies to new medicines.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022 data-id=\u00227d26ecfbecf6432b81082577c260865e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000788\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227d26ecfbecf6432b81082577c260865e\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe, Madam Chair, and thank you very much. It\u2019s one of those bills where specifics matter, and I\u2019m curious\u2014and if the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind answering some of the questions I have\u2014around the recognised regulatory authorities. That\u2019s in clause 7. It goes on to talk about, as a regulator of medicine\u2014and it lists those that it has in there. I wonder if that might include, to the Minister\u2019s reckoning, or at least to the Minister\u2019s consideration, some of the work that the important ethics committees and others might do in that space, with respect to the medicines. If the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind giving some thought to whether or not they perhaps could be included, either now or at a later date, with respect to making sure that we have recognised regulatory authorities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000789\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EThe other matter I wanted to raise is, in clause 6, the following particulars are required, and it goes down to the letter \u201C(m) the name and address of the place or places where the manufacture, preparation, or packing is intended to be carried out.\u201D The reason I ask that question is that a number of concerned members of the public who have travelled widely around the world know that, in some countries, they repackage goods, even give them different names, but, in effect, they are still the same thing. Yet they want to be sure that, when these types of matters are raised and medicines are brought into this country, the origin of those particular medicines, of both its manufacture and, of course, its preparation and packaging, is clear and is well understood for those in New Zealand. At the moment, those regulations are pretty tight. What we\u2019re concerned about is any loosening of those matters could cause some confusion about the types of medicines that those people might be gaining access to. Some clarification from the Minister on those particular matters will be helpful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022 data-id=\u00224c9eabff6ea84da8b563e3b8c5af9ae2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000790\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224c9eabff6ea84da8b563e3b8c5af9ae2\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. My colleague has picked up on clause 6, so another question in relation to clause 6, which lists the contents of an application under the verification pathway. I\u2019d like the Associate Minister of Health David Seymour to explain how these requirements interact with the common documentation system used by some of the regulators we are likely to recognise. There\u2019s a number of specifics here that all seem very logical from the perspective of approving a particular medicine, but we\u2019ve been told repeatedly at the Health Committee that there\u2019s the potential for great efficiency through the use of standardised documentation when these applications are made\u2014or applications for the Minister\u2019s consent, as it\u2019s called in this bill. We\u2019d like to understand how requirements (a) through to (m) interact with the standardised documentation system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022 data-id=\u002262bbc1f28f94479486c237927bc9004a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000791\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002262bbc1f28f94479486c237927bc9004a\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019d just like to support the vote of confidence in this bill from my colleague the Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall, who really gave it some good scrutiny at the Health Committee. I think it\u2019s important to note that, in the broader constitutional policy space, there is quite a shift of power from legal, prescriptive sorts of requirements through to empowering Ministers to act through notices and rules, and I do think that raises a number of legal questions. While I accept that it improves the agility of being able to get medicines out faster, there are questions around parliamentary scrutiny, and there are questions about the transparency of Gazette notices, and also how section 22, in particular, interacts legally with new section 22A.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000792\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll just go through them in turn, and I\u2019m happy to either have a longer contribution or do some quick-fire. We do recognise that delegation and flexibility are important, because medicines are the new frontier for being able to get people well faster, and potentially save a lot of money around more invasive procedures, like operations. We do accept that there are efficiency gains, in that there will be a reduction of duplication of effort, consistent with our trade and health cooperation frameworks with Australia. I think where the rubber hits the road, though, is around the dependence on secondary legislation, and there are operational details, such as timelines, data requirements, verification procedures, that will only exist in future rules, not in primary legislation. That produces a kind of layered legal dependency, where the rights and obligations of applicants hinge on rules that are not yet drafted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000793\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s tricky; I\u2019d be keen to hear the Minister\u2019s views on how he sees that interplay and the certainty that will be afforded, particularly if applicants are going to be questioning some of the applicant decisions\u2014how those sections 22 and 22A will interplay, because, once again, we find ourselves in the House where we are subordinating to secondary legislation quite a bit of the devil in the detail. That will be important, we want to support that, but we need to know that there will be due diligence given to ensure that there isn\u2019t uncertainty for those who apply, because that could have a chilling effect on the market, and that the rules are really clear from the outset, even though we have this kind of parallel stream of how the Medicines Act is going to work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000794\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EI will have more questions later about regulatory capture and the medicines regulations and some of the constitutional implications, but I\u2019d just like the Minister to answer those if he may.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022dcaa72973db24465b3e0f3880730fed7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000795\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dcaa72973db24465b3e0f3880730fed7\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019d like to thank members for their questions so far, and I\u2019ll try and address each of them in turn. Ayesha Verrall asked about clause 4 and specifically the words \u201Cnew medicine\u201D: why would a new indication, or perhaps a minor change, to a medicine not be able to access this verification pathway, which the words \u201Cnew medicine\u201D might suggest that it couldn\u2019t? I\u2019m advised that, in actual fact, a new medicine, a new use\u2014i.e., a major change to a medicine\u2014would be captured as a \u201Cnew medicine\u201D for the purpose of this bill, whereas a minor change would be already notified. In other words, if a change is significant enough to require consent, then it is a new medicine, even though there might be something very much like it already consented.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EPeeni Henare asked two questions, one about clause 7, and he asked a question about whether an ethics committee could also be involved in authorising a medication. I don\u2019t intend it to go any further than the bill right now. He asked if we might in the future\u2014that\u2019s certainly quite possible. But the point here is to rely on trusted nations\u2019 consent authorities\u2014and those trusted nations are set out in secondary legislation\u2014rather than introduce any new pathways through other bodies, besides what I\u2019ve just described.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000797\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EHe also asked about replacement section 21(2)(m)\u2014for motel\u2014inserted by clause 6: the name of the place and why is this necessary. He pointed out that one of the dangers with medication is that what it says on the label might not be what\u2019s there. A lot of Medsafe\u2019s work is ensuring that what you read on the label is actually what\u2019s in there, and it\u2019s certainly true that some medicines are manufactured and packaged in parts of the world that might not have the same sort of ethics and standards that we\u2019re used to in New Zealand. So that\u2019s why it\u2019s actually important that they identify where will this be packaged and manufactured, so that we do have oversight\u2014or Medsafe can have oversight, rather\u2014not only of what does it say it is but what actually is it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000798\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EAyesha Verrall then asked about clause 6, inserting replacement section 21(2), and how these requests interact with the common document system used by other countries. In other words, are the requirements listed in paragraphs (a) to (m) of section (21)(2) going to mesh well with the common technical dossier\u2014I think that was the point of the question. I\u2019m advised that, yes, it will. The company needs to provide the full data dossier, which is standardised internationally, and that has been thought of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000799\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EFinally, Ingrid Leary asked about what she says is a shift of power towards Ministers. It\u2019s certainly true that it talks about a Minister granting consent. That, at a constitutional, technical level, may be true, but, ultimately, this decision making is not done by a Minister; it\u2019s done in their name. It\u2019s done by people with far more appropriate qualifications in pharmacology\u2014than most people who have held the role of Minister\u2014in this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000800\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EIn terms of the question about accountability and stability\u2014and I was pleased to hear about, you know: how do we make sure that there\u2019s certainty for people who are applicants? I just make the point that any rules, made under this law, that will set out how it operates do need to be presented to the House and are subject to disallowance by Parliament. Under our normal conventions, we maintain parliamentary oversight, and there\u2019ll also be consultation with affected people prior to making any of these rules. I hope that addresses the questions that have been asked so far.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022 data-id=\u0022cf18d801ba384788927f777f001b9712\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000801\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cf18d801ba384788927f777f001b9712\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you to the Associate Minister of Health for his answers. I\u2019d like to talk about new section 22AA in clause 7. The Health Committee\u2019s view was that it was a helpful change to the bill to, rather than specify the regulators in primary legislation, specify criteria about which overseas regulators would be able to be recognised. We think that that\u2019s a positive, helpful change, and we\u2019re pleased to see it reflected in the bill now. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000802\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003EI want to draw the Minister\u2019s attention to the revocation of recognition of an authority. I would like the Minister to expand on what type of circumstances he imagines an authority\u2019s recognition might be revoked, and any elaboration he can provide based on advice he\u2019s received on that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022f6ece280cb6742d3ac4e84bf49cc7e6b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000803\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f6ece280cb6742d3ac4e84bf49cc7e6b\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I just have two quick questions for the Associate Minister of Health regarding clause 6, inserting new section 21(2).\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000804\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EThe first question I have\u2014and this is partly because one of my degrees is actually in pharmacology\u2014is on subsection (2)(h), \u201Creports of toxicological, pharmacological, and clinical studies that support the application:\u201D. I want to check with the Minister whether there is a requirement for that particular study to be conducted or to be peer reviewed as well. The reason I mention that is because there have been instances where, particularly in the chase for funding for toxicological or pharmacological studies, peer review hasn\u2019t been done as much or as well. That is something I want to check with the Minister: whether there is a requirement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000805\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EThe second thing is around subsection (2)(k), in terms of the distribution in any country other than New Zealand, and also, this plays into \u201Capproved or consented to by the appropriate authorities in that country\u201D but also potentially recognises the regulatory authority that has been touched on previously in clause 7, which inserts new section 22AA. My question is: whether there have been any safeguards considered by the Minister on what happens in the event that, or how do we potentially vet if, a particular appropriate authority or authority in that country has been susceptible to undue industrial or political pressure. Those are my two initial questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022 data-id=\u0022b39cb90feb8b4274be034ee804b98236\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000806\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b39cb90feb8b4274be034ee804b98236\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. My question was in relationship to new section 22AA(1)(e), inserted by clause 7. This is in relationship to the recognised regulatory authorities. One of the requirements that\u2019s been set out in the legislation is for those to conduct their business and release reports in English. I wanted to ask whether the Minister for Regulation thinks that that may, potentially, hinder the ability for us to access medicines where the business may be conducted in another language.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000807\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003EThe reason why I ask this, as well, is because we do have, in replacement section 21(2)(j), inserted by clause 6, that, for example, translations may be provided when it comes to the applications for the Minister\u2019s consent. In clause 6, there\u2019s this acknowledgment that translations can play a part in enabling good decision-making, but then, in new section 22AA, there is the sort of much more tight requirement for the business of these entities to be conducted in English without, I guess, being able to accommodate, for example, resources to translate necessary documents to English in order to be able to broaden the range of recognised regulatory bodies that the Government can tap into so that people can have greater access to medicines.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000808\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003EMy question to the Minister is: whether he thinks that new section 22AA(1)(e) unnecessarily narrows the recognised regulatory authorities, particularly in relationship to the way that clause 6 has been written. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022 data-id=\u0022b63a83b457a94135a82a8c843eec887f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000809\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b63a83b457a94135a82a8c843eec887f\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019d just like to ask a further supplementary question based on the question raised by the Hon Dr Ayesha Verrall regarding the revocation or designation of a recognised authority. Normally, ministerial decisions are not subject to explicit procedural safeguards. If it\u2019s in the Gazette and a decision has been made, normally there are notice and comment requirements beyond publication. My first question to the Minister on that natural justice and transparency issue is: are there other forms of contesting decisions either with designation or revocation, except via judicial review, which we know is incredibly expensive and, again, could have a chilling effect on the market?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000810\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EI wouldn\u2019t mind turning also to\u2014just for some clarity, I think really for the Hansard, because I did raise this previously\u2014the relationship between section 22 and the amendment. If there is a question of which one supersedes, because there are two pathways, it would be good to know what is the primary section out of those? If there are two pathways, if there are inconsistent rules, which rules under those two pathways should supersede?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000811\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve got another question, too, just around the administrative burden, because with the gazetting of notices which are required\u2014so they recognise or they revoke authorities\u2014it could create some transitional uncertainty for applicants. Is there an efficient way of doing that or is that just going to be a constant stream of Gazette notices?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000812\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EThe other one is: could legal challenges arise where a medicine has been approved under one recognition regime and then is later affected by revocation? Probably, again, the \u201Chierarchy\u201D is the word I was looking for in terms of which of the two streams that they can be approved under would take precedence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000813\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EI think there is also another question that is similar but different to the one raised by the Green member around localised safety assessment. Where the Minister may revoke consents, the process relies on post-market intervention rather than pre-market evaluation, and that can have inherent public risk if adverse effects arise later. What are the mitigations for that risk, particularly because that is a localised situation and those conditions may have changed within the New Zealand market, but may not necessarily have come up from an external market?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000814\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s probably all my questions, but they are important legal questions if we are to see this legislation actually reap the full financial and health benefits to New Zealand that it is touted to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f0ea0e5442634f8ea5c582252930aae0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000815\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f0ea0e5442634f8ea5c582252930aae0\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I thank members for this latest batch of questions. I appreciate Ayesha Verrall saying that this is a positive change that the countries, or at least the regulators of the countries, that will be deemed equivalent or valid for the assurance pathway\u2014that is going to be set in secondary legislation, rather than hard-wired into this law. Then she asked a question about revocation. The test is whether the regulator continues to meet the criteria set out in paragraphs (a) to (e) of new section 22AA(1) in clause 7. If it starts failing to meet those, then it would be revoked, and so those are the criteria set out in the legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000816\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003ELawrence Xu-Nan asked about the credibility of toxicological, pharmacological, and clinical studies. They\u2019re peer reviewed by the regulator who has given consent overseas, and so, I guess, that the point is that if we\u2019ve\u2014these questions sort of go together. If the overseas regulator is approved, then one of the criteria for that is that we can trust that they rely on good science, and, of course, if they rely on good science, that probably answers Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s question. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000817\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EWith regard to new section 21(2)(k) in clause 6, there was a question about proof that it\u2019s been consented elsewhere. It really is as simple as being able to demonstrate credibly that the consent overseas truly exists, and so it\u2019s a fairly mechanical, administrative thing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000818\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March raised an interesting question about: does limiting ourselves to English-speaking jurisdictions restrict the possible range of overseas agencies that we could rely on for verification? Potentially, but I think that members might be surprised. For example, I asked about Japan. I\u2019ve been informed that the Japanese consenting authority actually conducts its business in English, and so that\u2019s a significant country with its own language that none the less uses English to work with the rest of the world. There may be countries that conduct their business in other languages, but there are certainly enough countries who do their medical consenting in English that I think that there\u2019s a big enough pool for this policy to work very well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000819\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThen Ingrid Leary asked a series of questions about the natural justice of revocation, and whether there could be peer review or other ways to challenge that. I think that it\u2019s important to recognise, simply, that in the part that she talked about, she\u2019s talking about whether or not\u2014as I understand it\u2014a particular country can be recognised for their consenting agency, rather than a particular applicant. It\u2019s true that a country might be offended that we no longer recognise them, but that in itself is, I don\u2019t think, a reason to have a major bootstraps, belt and braces approach to natural justice where New Zealand\u2019s Government will choose countries that it thinks it can rely on for this pathway. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000820\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThere was a question about a hierarchy between the usual consenting pathway and the new rule-of-two consenting pathway. For a starting answer\u2014and I might need to get more advice about this, because she also asked what would happen if a medicine fails at one pathway but succeeds at another. I would start by saying that the purpose is that if you have consent through either of them, it must be adequate, but we certainly would not retrospectively revoke. Then there was a question of could there be a\u2014actually, I\u2019ve addressed the question of the legal challenge against revocation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThere was, finally, a question about localised safety assessments, and are there problems where there might be local conditions where the population\u2014if I understood her question correctly\u2014the population in New Zealand has different needs or vulnerabilities from those in other countries. I would just make the point that most countries have quite diverse populations within their borders. By the time you\u2019ve got two other countries that have consented a medication, I suspect that you\u2019d find that, actually, they\u2019ve covered enough bases so that it\u2019s safe in New Zealand, particularly considering that one of the criteria for considering if you want to keep doing business with someone is to ask whether they have robust systems. I hope that addresses the questions asked today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022 data-id=\u0022e80e92ca5ed943039f5f00f0d1ef2399\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000822\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e80e92ca5ed943039f5f00f0d1ef2399\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you. I\u2019d now like to ask the Associate Minister of Health some questions about the development of his policy thinking in this area. In particular, I have been studying the coalition agreement between the National and the ACT Party, which is referenced in the regulatory impact statement (RIS). The commitment that\u2019s relevant to this bill was to require Medsafe to approve new pharmaceuticals within 30 days of them being approved by at least two overseas regulatory agencies recognised by New Zealand. I read that and I interpret that as automatic approval, and yet that\u2019s not what this bill does. This bill still requires a sponsor to make an application. It is not the case that we\u2019d have a very efficient system where just with approval in two jurisdictions, there will be a requirement for automatic approval. Instead, it requires a sponsor, usually the pharmaceutical company, and the application to be made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000823\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003EMy first question to the Minister is: why has the thinking, with respect to how this bill will operate, changed from what was envisaged in the coalition agreement and what\u2019s in the bill now? I\u2019m interested to know how he thinks that change will impact the efficiency benefits that will come from this bill, because the purpose of the bill is to speed up the approvals of new medicines in New Zealand, and, of course, as a result of the change between what\u2019s envisaged in the coalition agreement and the bill that we have now, there will be fewer medicines being considered through this pathway. In particular, one of the things that comes into play\u2014because of the way the bill we\u2019re debating is crafted\u2014is the incentives that apply to a sponsor. Now, in the original version that wasn\u2019t relevant, but it is now, in the way that this bill is constructed. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000824\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003EWe heard at the Health Committee that a number of incentives operate on sponsors, including that they make judgments on the likelihood of their bill achieving Pharmac funding in New Zealand. They\u2019ll think, \u201CWell, is it really worth our while to put something through a process when\u201D\u2014perhaps, they would say\u2014\u201Cunlikely to get it funded.\u201D That makes me wonder, well, will this bill have the actual impacts that were promised when it was proposed? I\u2019d like to hear the Minister\u2019s explanation of how impactful he thinks it will be in light of those changes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022 data-id=\u00220ce137f1def94b71ba82a20ba874b628\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000825\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220ce137f1def94b71ba82a20ba874b628\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I\u2019m going to speak to new section 22B(4) in clause 7 and just ask for a bit of clarification, so this won\u2019t take very long: \u201CThe Director-General may issue the applicant with 1 or more invoices for any fee payable under regulations in respect of the application.\u201D Is that only those that are successful? Does that include those that are declined? Is there an opportunity to see a schedule of what those fees may look like? Is there transparency around those particular invoices we can expect to be made public to allow us the confidence that there\u2019s consistency in their fees framework? So just some clarification around that. I know it seems relatively small in the scheme of things, but I just think that, when we look towards the way that those who access the ability for consideration as medicines\u2014that it\u2019s made very clear what those fees do look like, and whether or not those include those that are accepted as well as the ones that are declined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022 data-id=\u0022e3ad6c7208744f2ba63ab141cbc04d24\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000826\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e3ad6c7208744f2ba63ab141cbc04d24\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri):\u003C/span\u003E My colleagues have talked about the drivers, if you like, of efficiency with the system and how that will look compared to the original coalition agreement. I think, extrapolating on that, there is a real potential for a streamlined process to reduce scrutiny of pharmaceutical submissions if the decision making becomes overly reliant on the second stream. We don\u2019t have any control over that or influence over that. There are jurisdictions that we compare ourselves to that have far more lobbying and political influence in their system. Conceivably, there may be two or more jurisdictions with very big pharma companies\u2014just as there are with tobacco companies, actually\u2014where a concerted effort is made to promote things that may not necessarily be consistent with New Zealand public interest standards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000827\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221baa6ce9ebfe4de4bf02b027eaea81ae\u0022\u003EIf there is a two-tier system and they both function, that\u2019s probably not much of a problem, but if the second tier becomes the predominant way of getting pharmaceuticals through to New Zealand, I think it does raise real questions about the drivers and the safeguards. I\u2019m really just wanting some reassurance that the New Zealand public interest standards are met through whatever rules come out, which have not yet been written, and that we don\u2019t see a kind of tail wagging the dog, where the whole sector then becomes beholden to international commercial interests that don\u2019t necessarily serve New Zealand public interest standards.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u00229bd11c80e8dd4cfc931f3251335798e8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000828\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229bd11c80e8dd4cfc931f3251335798e8\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Thank you, Minister, for responding to my previous questions. I have two more questions for the Associate Minister of Health. The first one is something the Minister said, and it kind of ties into new section 22C(1)(b)(v) as well, inserted by clause 7. I think the Minister was saying that, in terms of some of the pharmacological or clinical studies that have been done in other countries, other countries also have a diverse population in order to be able to test some of that. Two authorities have approved that, and it should, again, be safe enough here. But I think one of the things I would be interested to know about\u2014certain countries, most of the other countries, don\u2019t have the same data on the indigenous population of Aotearoa, and also, potentially, Pacific populations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000829\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ESo, you know, looking at new section 22C(1)(b)(v), when it talks about contextualising \u201Cthe benefit-risk profile of the medicine due to local disease epidemiology, public health considerations\u201D, I do wonder, in those sorts of considerations: does the Minister consider that, while we do have a diverse population, some of that interaction, particularly when we\u2019re looking at it from a pharmacological context, may not have been tested here? I just want to check; the Minister may already have a response to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000830\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EThe second part is around new section 22D, inserted by clause 7, noting that there is a lot of ministerial authority in this bill, and we\u2019re looking at the rules for Minister\u2019s consent by verification. I wanted to check with the Minister: when we are looking at things that are done by Order in Council and when there is secondary legislation, did the Minister, as always, consider some sort of review clause in terms of how the Minister may make rules setting out some of that requirement, or is there something that will be done, in terms of a review of those rules, on a more ad hoc or need basis?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000831\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EIn terms of the rules, as we are always concerned about, in terms of any potential overreach or potential \u201CHenry VIII\u201D clause, I think having something of a review clause would also be another level of safeguard that can be protected when it comes to, particularly, consent by verification. Those are my two questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022c002af78b4504908a044cc3cbab600f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000832\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c002af78b4504908a044cc3cbab600f8\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I thank members for further questions. Ayesha Verrall asked about the perceived difference between the ACT-National confidence and supply agreement and the workings of this legislation. As a Minister, I\u2019m not actually responsible for political agreements. All I would say is that I\u2019m a very thoughtful and receptive Minister who\u2019s always prepared to make the legislation work in the best interests of all New Zealand. I\u2019ll also just make the point that having an applicant, as the member asked, demonstrates that there is a company that will take responsibility for the supply chain within New Zealand. So that is a worthwhile benefit in my view.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000833\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EPeeni Henare asked about what fees these foreign pharmaceutical companies might be charged. I have to say that I\u2019m heartened by the Labour member\u2019s concern for foreign pharmaceutical companies; it\u2019s a new development, but not an unwelcome one. The fees will be published, they\u2019ll be set by regulation, and they will be transparent. But they\u2019re not currently set, so that will come as a consequence of the law of passing, if the Parliament decides to pass it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000834\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EIngrid Leary repeated the question by Ayesha Verrall and then also asked about the lobbying and political influence on overseas consenting agencies. All I would say is that if you imagine a place like, say, Switzerland, which was in the original bill, or if you imagine a place like the EU or the United Kingdom, your mind doesn\u2019t immediately think, I\u2019m sure, that their consenting authorities consent dangerous medicines because of undue influence. I think that would be a surprising thing to most people; there\u2019s no evidence to believe that is the case. All of those jurisdictions do have much greater access to medicines than New Zealand and that is one of the things that we are trying to fix here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000835\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EGoing back to Ayesha Verrall, she also asked if it might be that because companies are unlikely to\u2014well, she posits that companies are unlikely to apply for consent if they don\u2019t believe they\u2019ll ultimately get Pharmac funding. That may be a calculation for some companies, but at the margin what we\u2019re doing here is making the consenting process easier and quicker. So you would expect the net effect of that to increase medicines\u2019 availability. Of course, any company coming to the New Zealand market will be asking themselves \u201CWill people actually buy it?\u201D, but that\u2019s a commercial decision for them, not one that we can control.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000836\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThen we had Lawrence Xu-Nan asking about M\u0101ori and Pacific populations. But he also, helpfully, answered his own question by pointing to new section 22C(1)(b)(v), inserted by clause 7, where he pointed out that the Minister can consent a medicine if he believes or she believes it \u201Cdoes not require independent assessment \u2026 to contextualise the benefit-risk profile of the medicine due to local disease epidemiology, public health considerations, or New Zealand specific health risks;\u201D. So that is actually covered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000837\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EFinally, Lawrence Xu-Nan asked if there would be a review clause. Much secondary legislation\u2014I expect all secondary legislation\u2014will be made in best practice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002212fd037a8544418390244b7c3a65216e\u0022 data-id=\u00221cd23c3cd6ef4704b4cb03a330d0a15a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000838\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212fd037a8544418390244b7c3a65216e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221cd23c3cd6ef4704b4cb03a330d0a15a\u0022\u003EDr HAMISH CAMPBELL (National\u2014Ilam):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000839\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212fd037a8544418390244b7c3a65216e\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000840\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002212fd037a8544418390244b7c3a65216e\u0022\u003EPart 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000841\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022423912a2fe404a3b9e564bf130e1b353\u0022\u003EPart 2  Other amendments\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022da673d7233944f28819c3917e5e13d85\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000842\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da673d7233944f28819c3917e5e13d85\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to Part 2, the debate on clauses 11 to 13, \u201COther amendments\u201D, and the Schedule. The question is that Part 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022 data-id=\u0022fd0b21a2d8184c07b16bfac6c84b094e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000843\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fd0b21a2d8184c07b16bfac6c84b094e\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I want to specifically refer to the Associate Minister of Health\u2019s Amendment Paper, which was not considered by the Health Committee. I\u2019d like to take the opportunity to ask the Minister to engage in some back and forth, if we may, on the content of this amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000844\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc07e8583e674fbf810f08bd9e9c78eb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Encouraged by the Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000845\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286ceb033de6c4f97a745f2bdd61bf932\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL\u003C/span\u003E: Minister, what does your amendment do? [Member knocks over her glass of water]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022f98007cc21c240e398d32d3cd019a437\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000846\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f98007cc21c240e398d32d3cd019a437\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Look, I realise that the Chamber can get exciting at this time of night! The amendment simply allows a promoter of a medical conference\u2014you can imagine a place where the primary audience is people who are registered as clinicians under the health practitioners assurance legislation. If you\u2019re holding such a conference, then you can get consent to advertise medicines that are not currently consented by Medsafe. The reason that you would want to do that is that clinicians go to these sorts of conferences, in part, precisely because they would like to find out about medicines that are new. Presently, our laws actually forbid those medicines being advertised, and the practical result of that is that doctors\u2014I even happen to know some\u2014go to nice places like Fiji or Noosa, to go to these conferences and learn about the latest and best medicines emerging in the world, and they take their money with them. I\u2019ve seen one estimate, and, if I recall off the top of my head, the net benefit to New Zealand of allowing these medical conferences to happen here in New Zealand will be around about $90 million. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000847\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s very simple. We\u2019re aligning our rules with the places that New Zealand doctors are currently going. So, instead of going to Noosa or Fiji, they can stay somewhere nice, like Auckland, and learn about new medicines.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022 data-id=\u0022a8d3964968f343a9b2f5219e441cd9e0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000848\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a8d3964968f343a9b2f5219e441cd9e0\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E In the spirit of back and forth, thank you to the Associate Minister of Health for that answer. Why is the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Act used to define professions or regulated practitioners in the Act? Their conferences are the ones that are covered by this amendment. Why is that done and is it relevant to the operation of this clause that in an international conference, many visitors from overseas won\u2019t be regulated by that Act, because they will be registered overseas? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022d2bc370b583d4e73bd9bece5fc03b572\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d2bc370b583d4e73bd9bece5fc03b572\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E First of all, why would we use the Health Practitioners Competence Assurance Act? Because that is the piece of legislation in New Zealand that defines the professions that you might think of: doctors, clinicians, the kinds of people that you would imagine you would want to learn about new medicines. It seems like a tidy way to do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000850\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThe member is correct that there might be people coming from overseas inbound to learn about medicines at conferences in New Zealand, but I would interpret this as those people are people who come under the same professions and, indeed, would be regulated under that Act if they were in New Zealand. Of course, in this instance, they wouldn\u2019t be, but they\u2019re equivalents. They just happen to be from overseas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000851\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cc2712f88994c97baeba319d96e3e3e\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Chair, just to conclude this\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u00227ba34cbfa86947f1967e50f90405623e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000852\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227ba34cbfa86947f1967e50f90405623e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Ayesha Verrall\u2014I\u2019ll facilitate this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022 data-id=\u002249e2466b0d6443f4bdd7ecc93caff9a4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000853\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002210f9c4ee34684669818ffc6d38c110d3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002249e2466b0d6443f4bdd7ecc93caff9a4\u0022\u003EHon Dr AYESHA VERRALL (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E This concern about medical conferences was raised in the course of the last Parliament\u2019s debate on the Therapeutic Products Bill, so can the Minister explain why this amendment has appeared in the bill now? Why wasn\u2019t it in the original bill that was drafted and considered and went to select committee? Why did the Minister\u2019s intention with respect to this concern, which has been well known for some time, change? Perhaps the Minister would like to elaborate on the prospects of a medicinal products bill. Has the prospect of a medicinal products bill passing in this Parliament declined, and is that why this amendment is going through with this bill?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022e9fefb784bea444d84e9843edad89db8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000854\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e9fefb784bea444d84e9843edad89db8\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E Well, first of all, I regularly receive praise for having a range of fine qualities, but not in this sense. So why would we not put this in the bill initially? Because we were preparing a bill primarily for the purpose for the rule of two. Once it was brought to my attention that it would be useful for New Zealand clinicians to be able to have medical conferences with advertised medicines in New Zealand, I made a judgment that it was well worth enabling that at the earlier opportunity, which is this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000855\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EThe Minister\u2014it\u2019s not really part of this debate; if she wants to speculate if there is now not going to be a medical products bill. I wouldn\u2019t speak for my colleague Casey Costello, who has that responsibility, but I wouldn\u2019t underestimate her either.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022 data-id=\u0022e250d760fce940de885d6d444c85afde\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e250d760fce940de885d6d444c85afde\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Some follow-up questions on the amendment which, Ayesha Verrall noted, was introduced without select committee scrutiny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000857\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003EI noted that the Associate Minister of Health mentioned that such conferences\u2014if I heard correctly\u2014were to bring $90 million to the country. Can I just test where that figure came from, and who produced the analysis on that amount of money? Also whether, as part of that, there was any distributional analysis of, I guess, where that money goes into in terms of who benefits from that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000858\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003EThe other question I had in relationship to the amendment was that it seems to me like this is obviously something that had been considered for a while, but can the Minister list the range of stakeholders or entities that have been consulted, if at all, to prepare this amendment? Because, again, we\u2019ve heard feedback from the Minister in his initial remarks around some of the bodies which he talked about wanting this, but can I check what official engagements happened to produce this amendment, if any? Also, additionally, at what dates did the Minister start the work to prepare this amendment, because that\u2019s an important part of the question in relationship to Ayesha Verrall\u2019s point, which is that if this had been considered for quite some time, why was this not flagged at the select committee stage?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000859\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003ETo recap, I\u2019m interested to know where the $90 million figure came from; the distributional analysis for benefits; additionally, the list of stakeholders or entities that were consulted; as well as the issue of the date that the Minister started to prepare this amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000860\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003EA follow-up question on that would be in relationship to the list of stakeholders and entities that would have been consulted with: did he receive any feedback on which regional centres in our country are most likely to benefit from these medical conferences, if at all?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022e9a904dab588425f9ac74235241e9747\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000861\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e9a904dab588425f9ac74235241e9747\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E As I said at the time, the $90 million was a figure off the top of my head. I\u2019m not relying on that to justify this change, and I don\u2019t want to start quoting if I might misquote, but it is a figure that I\u2019ve heard and share in candour with the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000862\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EAs far as the distributional analysis is concerned, I also don\u2019t have that. I only have the headline figure. In terms of consultation, I haven\u2019t directly consulted people with this. I\u2019ve had it proposed\u2014the ministry\u2019s recommended it\u2014and I believe that if we can remove a restriction that will make sure that people can do more to make New Zealand a wealthier and more interesting place, then we should do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000863\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003EIn terms of the date, I started thinking about it. I couldn\u2019t give you an exact date off the top of my head but I\u2019d be happy to talk to the member later, if he is really interested in that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022 data-id=\u0022d3f025dfde7e4759939b45d2f45c4305\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000864\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d3f025dfde7e4759939b45d2f45c4305\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I\u2019m a little bit concerned to hear that the $90 million was kind of made up on the spot. I guess the question I had in relationship to that\u2014or from the top of his head\u2014is whether he asked any Government body to do some analysis on that figure? I can totally accept that, maybe, he just doesn\u2019t have a thought in his head, but I do want to know whether he actually asked his officials to explore exactly how much revenue it could bring. It\u2019s OK if that figure is not in front of him, but I do want to ask whether that question was part of the process to get this amendment sorted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000865\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003EThe reason why I ask this is because the bill, so far, has had quite constructive cross-party consensus. I would hope that this amendment and the way that this is presented also seeks to do that very same thing. But without having clarity of exactly the robust analysis that was being made from the Associate Minister of Health to corroborate, for example, the amount of revenue it could bring to the country, it\u2019s hard for us to be able to quantify the benefits of this amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000866\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228b7b671ebc6d45ae91350f8e13a7fb42\u0022\u003ETo recap, I\u2019m interested to know if he did actually ask for any advice on the amount of money such an amendment and these medical conferences could bring to the country, and, if he did not commission such advice, then what basis is he using to get to a point where he feels confident about the amount of money that such an amendment will bring to the country?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022 data-id=\u0022fb0c786d70504067a95db4e5a3d0753a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000867\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222fee4f49a15c4795a3ba0d173a43c15c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fb0c786d70504067a95db4e5a3d0753a\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Health):\u003C/span\u003E I can only repeat my previous comment. The justification for this does not rely on any specific figure. If it was $9 million, $90 million, or $900 million, it costs next to nothing to do, and it increases people\u2019s freedom to do as they please within New Zealand so long as there are no risks to others, and, therefore, we should do it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ef044682c0bd4c8885c626cbc9acb678\u0022 data-id=\u002234f7823c310d4cc3b5a368be11ce1050\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000868\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ef044682c0bd4c8885c626cbc9acb678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002234f7823c310d4cc3b5a368be11ce1050\u0022\u003ETOM RUTHERFORD (National\u2014Bay of Plenty):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000869\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ef044682c0bd4c8885c626cbc9acb678\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022ef863b356ff34ab1a9333df4b8d04483\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000870\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ef863b356ff34ab1a9333df4b8d04483\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments set out on Amendment Paper 425 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca id=\u002201c1550bb76e4bbbbb723486046f3466\u0022 name=\u0022division\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, That the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAyes 102\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 49; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 11;New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoes 21\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 6.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp class=\u0022HpsDivision\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000871\u0022\u003EPart 2 as amended agreed to.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000872\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a47b972634c04e9798f7b73ac14a1684\u0022\u003ESchedule\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u00227840c4eb5dac4c698c10108e8a2c4adc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000873\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227840c4eb5dac4c698c10108e8a2c4adc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: We come now to the Schedule. The question is, That the Schedule be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000874\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003ESchedule agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000875\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e6049644eaf84de7b889fe11ab038fd5\u0022\u003EClauses 1 to 3\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u00223c86f37fa2fb458391575f3e8c280a8b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000876\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223c86f37fa2fb458391575f3e8c280a8b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to the debate on clauses 1 to 3\u2014\u201CTitle\u201D, \u201CCommencement\u201D, and \u201CPrincipal Act\u201D. The question is that clause 1 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000877\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EClause 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000878\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EClause 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000879\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EClause 3 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000880\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EBill to be reported with amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000881\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000882\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00225a695e0c01f541f6afea96a11211db32\u0022\u003EReport of the Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000884\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00225942bd0354c14fc681e9c569938f55a0\u0022\u003EReport of the Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022a455ff82036a47f9b80821a04adf8b25\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000883\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a455ff82036a47f9b80821a04adf8b25\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker, the committee has considered the Education and Training Amendment Bill (No 2) and reports it with amendment. The committee has also considered the Medicines Amendment Bill and reports it with amendment. I move, That the report be adopted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000885\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00223ab48cdb820e463eb0706c294f6cb696\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000887\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223ab48cdb820e463eb0706c294f6cb696\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I declare the House in committee for the consideration of the Crimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill and the Crimes Legislation (Stalking and Harassment) Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222deb1ee37cf841db888f7dc93da9a1fc\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000890\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f61292b2146b4d75be42650c9c76b10a\u0022\u003EHouse in Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022f8382350cd024453a0024715d5149bd1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f8382350cd024453a0024715d5149bd1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee on the Crimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill and the Crimes Legislation (Stalking and Harassment) Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000891\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b9f1bd39cab844b9b7a1021579129b47\u0022\u003ECrimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000892\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220fa54d629f5f479b8e03730f32d20ef2\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c1d3a4392d35424894d3adf593081a0c\u0022\u003EPart 1  Amendments to the Crimes Act 1961\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022018fcdcde77e45b7adf0249c444b08a1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000894\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022018fcdcde77e45b7adf0249c444b08a1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: We come first to the Crimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill. We begin with the debate on Part 1. This is the debate on clauses 3 to 15, \u201CAmendments to the Crimes Act 1961\u201D. The question is that Part 1 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022e6b60b94f4be41829693839530b50fd7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000895\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e6b60b94f4be41829693839530b50fd7\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I want to start by going clause to clause, because there are quite a few things to unpack. I want to start with clause 4, which inserts new section 2A, \u201CMeaning of person who owes allegiance to the Sovereign in right of New Zealand\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000896\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EOne of things we had a question on\u2014and it\u2019s one of the things we\u2019ve been trying to tease out in the Justice Committee\u2014is the broader idea of what it means when someone owes allegiance to a particular location. This came up when we were talking about someone, for example, who may not have the citizenship of a particular country but at the same time has whakapapa to a particular country and as part of the whakapapa may experience or may express certain intentions or feelings, and whether they are going to be captured in this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000897\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EIt is something that is complex, considering we heard in the previous bills that we do have very diverse communities here in Aotearoa, and the Greens have some concerns around the definition we see here, for example, in new section 2A(3)(c), because I think it takes a very pure form of definition that doesn\u2019t take in broader complexities of the whakapapa of the person, or the heritage or the ancestry of the person. I just want to check with the Minister of Justice, to start off with, on some of that consideration, as he develops this bill and the intentions behind it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022 data-id=\u0022c55d6c24c3c245579a481ca8b7687ffb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000898\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c55d6c24c3c245579a481ca8b7687ffb\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E This legislation is not changing our citizenship laws or making amendments in any of those areas. What it does do is create new offences relating to foreign interference in the Crimes Act. Just by way of introduction, it\u2019s a bill that would create an offence if a person engages in covert, deceptive, coercive, or corruptive conduct on behalf of a foreign power to intentionally compromise a protected New Zealand interest, or is reckless as to whether their conduct is likely to compromise such an interest, or commits an imprisonable offence to intentionally benefit a foreign power, or is reckless as to whether committing that offence is likely to provide such a benefit. That\u2019s the primary focus.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000899\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EWhat we\u2019re trying to do here is to deal with the reality. A lot of people would seek to deny that there is a problem, but the Government is firmly of the view that foreign interference is something that we are concerned about as a nation. We\u2019re updating our legislation to be clear about that. What we\u2019re not doing is changing our citizenship laws.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022 data-id=\u0022b0e5300dc9c3463980bea1f94b3a8beb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000900\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b0e5300dc9c3463980bea1f94b3a8beb\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I\u2019ll pick up where my friend and colleague Lawrence Xu-Nan left off, on clause 4, inserting new section 2A, which does touch on the slightly arcane subject of the meaning of a person who \u201Cowes allegiance to the Sovereign in right of New Zealand\u201D. This is, basically, a loyalty question in the old-fashioned sense of the word\u2014that is to say, for someone who owes allegiance to the Crown; under this legislation, it is a criminal offence to work against the interests of the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000901\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EWhilst the Minister of Justice noted that this doesn\u2019t change immigration law\u2014I accept that\u2014there is an interface between immigration status and who owes allegiance to the Crown. One thing that is clear here is that anyone who is a citizen owes allegiance to the Crown, but, from the legislation, it\u2019s not immediately clear to me, and I\u2019d appreciate the Minister\u2019s elucidation\u2014I see he\u2019s flying solo tonight, which is probably a good thing\u2014about other immigration statuses. In new section 2A(3)(c), it says, \u201C[any person] not bound by the oath of allegiance:\u201D. Essentially, you can\u2019t be found guilty of this offence. There is a series of categories of people. One would be a person on a resident\u2019s visa. Is a person on a resident\u2019s visa bound by the oath of allegiance? Is a person on a worker\u2019s visa bound by the oath of allegiance?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000902\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EI think, when we get down to the categories where it\u2019s clearly not the case\u2014for example, someone on a visitor or tourist visa, who, if they engaged in what are, essentially, subversive activities, would not be criminally responsible for foreign interference, because they\u2019re not bound by the oath of allegiance. But the one a little bit higher up from the tourist and visitor visas\u2014workers, Recognised Seasonal Employers workers, or people on perhaps a two- or three-year worker\u2019s visa\u2014if they engage in activities which are there to benefit a foreign State by deception, which is at the root of this, as we\u2019ll come to, would a person on a worker\u2019s visa or a resident\u2019s visa be subject to this legislation, or are they persons who owe allegiance to the Sovereign of New Zealand?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000903\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EIt would be really appreciated if the Minister could give some elucidation there, because, ultimately, I think we accept that if people come into New Zealand and they\u2019re on a pathway to residence\u2014ultimately, a pathway to citizenship, which is the highest status, including residency\u2014we expect them to be loyal, ultimately, because this is what this legislation is at root about, to New Zealand. If they come from a foreign country, wherever that might be, which has different interests and wants to undermine New Zealand\u2019s economic or security interests and they want to, I don\u2019t know, pass information back to the other State or to engage in conduct that undermines the interests of New Zealand, as workers or with an immigration status other than that of citizen, ultimately the question is this: are they captured by this?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000904\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EIf they\u2019re not, there\u2019s quite a hole here. Look, if you\u2019re a spy\u2014let\u2019s say what this is about\u2014and you\u2019re a resident but not a citizen, you\u2019ve got a free pass; you\u2019ll continue passing information and undermining the interests of New Zealand in the interests of the other State with pretty much impunity. I think it would be really good if the Minister could go through and say, \u201CHere\u2019s where the line is. Here is where you owe allegiance to New Zealand, and here\u2019s where you don\u2019t.\u201D That would be a really helpful elucidation by the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022 data-id=\u002259db673f432944cd98fb3ef4d3bde921\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000905\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002259db673f432944cd98fb3ef4d3bde921\u0022\u003EVANUSHI WALTERS (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I have some new and different questions for the Minister of Justice, but they are about the same new section 2A, inserted by clause 4. This is the section about who owes allegiance. During the course of submissions, the New Zealand Law Society wrote a lot on this section and asked several questions, some of which were addressed by the amended version of the bill, but some weren\u2019t. I just thought I would use the opportunity to get the Minister\u2019s clarification on where he thinks these situations would fall.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000906\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003EThe first is: who counts as a person in the context of the Ross Dependency? There are potential difficulties with the reference to persons in New Zealand due to the need to reconcile respective sections in the Crimes Act and the Territorial Sea, Contiguous Zone, and Exclusive Economic Zone Act 1977 definitions. The interaction of the Crimes Act definition of New Zealand with provisions of the other Act is unclear, in my view. Section 2 of the Crimes Act defines New Zealand as including \u201Call waters within the outer limits of the territorial sea of New Zealand (as defined by section 3 of the Territorial Sea, Contiguous Zone, and Exclusive Economic Zone Act 1977\u201D, but section 3 of that Act defines the territorial sea as encompassing the sea within 12 nautical miles of a baseline, being the low-water mark along the coast of New Zealand, including the coast of all islands.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000907\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003EThe statutes don\u2019t fit together well, and the Law Society made this argument as well: that there is a good argument that the bill enacted in its current form wouldn\u2019t apply to the Ross Dependency. Now, that might entirely be the Minister\u2019s intent, but I think that, at this stage of the House\u2019s work, it\u2019s useful for us to clarify that. The Law Society suggested that, potentially, there could be an amendment here to make it clearer. Similarly, they spoke about how the law would apply to Niue. It\u2019s stated, of course, in section 3 of the Niue Constitution Act that it shall be self-governing; however, section 6 provides that \u201CNothing in this Act or in the Constitution shall affect the responsibilities of Her Majesty the Queen in right of New Zealand for the external affairs and defence of Niue.\u201D The question is, really, whether the Minister\u2019s view is that that would also mean that people would fall within that sense of allegiance as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000908\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003EThe other issue that the Law Society spoke about was the statement that the common law would continue to apply rather than specify what the common law is in terms of who owes allegiance and who doesn\u2019t. They particularly pointed to the issue of renouncing citizenship or repudiating allegiance, and, in the Law Society\u2019s view, there would be some merit in actually stepping through\u2014within the statute\u2014who that includes and who it doesn\u2019t. In many ways, it would seem absurd if someone were to validly, and with documentation, renounce their citizenship, and potentially be living overseas as well, but, through some interpretation of the common law, be determined to still fall within one of the people who did continue to owe allegiance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000909\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003EAnother matter that I have been reflecting on since select committee, and I can\u2019t recall that this came up within the Justice Committee itself, is the issue of New Zealanders who are working within foreign embassies and the treatment of them both overseas as well as in New Zealand. Presumably, it would apply to individuals who are staff of other embassies in New Zealand\u2014I know that embassies often attempt to recruit from home countries, but, again, it\u2019s not unusual for administrative staff to be locally recruited. How would the bill, when enacted, apply to them, but also New Zealanders who may be employed in foreign embassies, potentially with dual citizenship, as well? While that feels clear in the context of being within New Zealand, if the Minister could respond to those individuals who are working in embassies outside of New Zealand, I would be grateful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022 data-id=\u0022f844d9c5f8f54ad490f1987f81d5f132\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f844d9c5f8f54ad490f1987f81d5f132\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E I\u2019m looking forward to the Minister of Justice\u2019s elucidation of these points, once he gets some advice, obviously. But, look, one of the things that\u2019s really interesting here\u2014because this is the Crimes Act, right? The Crimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill creates a crime and the trigger is that if you\u2019re going to do bad things hurting the interests of New Zealand; the flip side is that to be criminally responsible, you have to owe allegiance to the Sovereign of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000911\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThen, in the new section 2A(2), inserted by clause 4, it says, \u201Cthis section is not an exhaustive code of the law relating to the circumstances in which a person owes allegiance to the Sovereign \u2026 of New Zealand;\u201D, so it\u2019s just opened the gate. The thing about criminal law is that you want to be pretty clear about when you\u2019re liable, when you could be charged with a crime, right? A lot of the bill kind of steps through\u2014my previous contribution talked about: well, what about if you\u2019re a resident? What about if you\u2019re a tourist? What about if you\u2019re on a worker\u2019s visa? And so on. There are going to be clear yes or no answers to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000912\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThe question here is: what the hell does it mean to say it\u2019s not an exhaustive code as to whether or not you owe allegiance to the Sovereign of New Zealand? Is there going to be some situation where, to take a recent instance, you are a child of a person who is tangata whenua who has a moral claim to citizenship, and you\u2019re a spy for a foreign State in a foreign country. Does that mean you could conceivably owe allegiance to the Sovereign of New Zealand or, basically, what else? Why do we need a vague, open-ended framework that says, \u201CHere are the circumstances where you do owe allegiance. Here are the circumstances where you don\u2019t, but just for a lack of clarity, that\u2019s not everything. There could be something else, but we\u2019ll let you know that when we get round to it.\u201D That\u2019s ultimately what phrasing like \u201Cthis section is not an exhaustive code of the law relating to the circumstances in which a person owes allegiance to the Sovereign in right of New Zealand;\u201D means.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000913\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EYou could be a person who might, for whatever reason, hold in high esteem the interests of another State and you might be gleaning information from situations you\u2019re in and secretly passing it on to another State. All of a sudden you land in New Zealand and you say, \u201CWell, I\u2019m not a citizen. I\u2019m not a resident. I\u2019m not even on a worker\u2019s permit.\u201D, but the authorities say, \u201CAh, but, no, that\u2019s not an exhaustive code. You\u2019re not allowed to glean information in that way, because we think you owe allegiance to the Sovereign in right of New Zealand in some other way.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000914\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EIt is a concern that we\u2019ve got a criminal statute which kind of harks back to the Star Chamber where you kind of made things up as you went along, where you just said, \u201CWe are of the view that it is appropriate in the circumstances kind of ex post facto to impose liability.\u201D I\u2019d be interested in the Minister\u2019s own observations, clearly, on when there might be something which is not captured by the rules in the subsequent parts of the section but nevertheless, someone could owe allegiance because, actually, this is the trigger for liability here and it\u2019s a relatively serious thing, so I\u2019d be interested in the Minister\u2019s observations there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022 data-id=\u0022c5be797ba56a4faca3b4ee40ccb16848\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000915\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c5be797ba56a4faca3b4ee40ccb16848\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E I can respond to the concerns about who\u2019s in and who\u2019s out by just referring to the bill where it says, in new section 2A(3), inserted by clause 4, \u201CA person who is in New Zealand owes allegiance to the Sovereign in right of New Zealand\u201D\u2014anybody who\u2019s in New Zealand owes allegiance to the Sovereign\u2014\u201Cunless 1 or more of the following apply:\u201D. One and two are, essentially, diplomats, and three is a person who\u2019s an enemy alien\u2014i.e., somebody that we\u2019re at war with\u2014and is not a New Zealand citizen and is not bound by the Oath of Allegiance, or a child of such a person.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000916\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EEverybody who\u2019s here in the country is somebody who owes allegiance to the Sovereign if they\u2019re in the country, unless they\u2019re a diplomat or a person who is an enemy alien. It\u2019s reasonably clearly outlined in the legislation, and I think we\u2019re getting slightly distracted, trying to draw what this legislation here is, which is focused on dealing with foreign interference, which is a real threat that we face, and I don\u2019t think it\u2019s helpful to try and draw into a debate around citizen rights of children of actors in relation to this topic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022 data-id=\u0022299f450c7c2040dbba8774bd77357877\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000917\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022299f450c7c2040dbba8774bd77357877\u0022\u003ETEANAU TUIONO (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair, and thank you to the Minister of Justice for engaging on this topic, as well. I note the comments made by Vanushi Walters around Niue and the Ross Dependency, and also, as a Cook Islander, I\u2019m interested as well, because Cook Islanders hold New Zealand passports. The Cook Islands and Niue are part of the New Zealand Realm; so, technically, in New Zealand. It would be good for the Minister to draw out exactly what that would mean for Cook Islanders in this instance, because I know that people will be listening with interest as to whether they owe allegiance, and exactly what that means. We have seen in recent events in the Cook Islands where there has been a difference of opinion around the relationship with China, for example, and concerns both in the Islands themselves and here within the Cooks Islands community as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000918\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EThe issue of who owes allegiance to whom is an important one, because it poses a lot of questions that actually need specific answers in terms of the allegiance to the Sovereign. What exactly does the Minister mean in this particular case; how does it pertain to Pacific Islanders who are part of the New Zealand Realm; and what will that do in terms of the ability of people in those countries to be able to express a different opinion, to be able to have different relationships with different foreign countries? Whether we like those relationships here in Wellington or not, there are possibilities and ways for them to be able to engage in those relationships.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000919\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EI think it\u2019s an incredibly important issue around what allegiance to the Sovereign actually looks like, and I do agree with the point made by Dr Duncan Webb about this being not an exhaustive code as well, because I know that people in the Pacific Islands will be worried about whether they fall within that non-exhaustive code as well. These are important questions and it would be good to get some answers from the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022 data-id=\u00223ad976b12c834bd8bc46e6cd91acbcb3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000920\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223ad976b12c834bd8bc46e6cd91acbcb3\u0022\u003EVANUSHI WALTERS (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I did have another question in relation to this new section that\u2019s going to be inserted as to whether the Minister of Justice considered the concept of temporary allegiance, which is actually a concept that has deep historical roots. In Blackstone\u2019s Commentaries on the Laws of England, published in 1765, it suggested that allegiance arising from birth in England was inalienable, but that there was also something that was temporary allegiance owed to the King by aliens only while resident in England. That was one argument: that you only owed this allegiance to the King while you were there under, as Dr Webb has suggested, maybe temporary circumstances\u2014that could be expected of you while you were in New Zealand, for example.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000921\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003EThe other argument that also has come out of Blackstone\u2019s very early arguments on this historic concept of temporary allegiance is the idea of a ligament of allegiance, in that you might owe allegiance to the Crown, but similarly, the Crown owes obligations to you. Prior to the statute of treason in 1351\u2014when the common law purely applied\u2014there was an argument that was the way in which one should formulate what allegiance is; that you only have that obligation in so far as the Crown is complying with its obligations. If the Crown fails to do so, then those obligations no longer exist, or they may exist in some sort of diminished state.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000922\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003EMy first question is, really: whether that was brought into the Minister\u2019s thinking in terms of framing how there might be temporary allegiance obligations of those people who are temporarily in New Zealand, quite rightly? Many of them come with other citizenship obligations, which they don\u2019t derogate from when they come to New Zealand. They may still vote in those elections that are happening overseas as well, and so we should bear in mind those more nuanced ways of understanding allegiance and build them into legislation at the get-go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000923\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003EThe other question I have on this is whether there was consideration for a carve-out or an exemption from liability if there was an officially induced error? This was another proposal that was put forward by one of the submitters where there could be merit in including an officially induced error defence in the section, which would apply where a person has formally sought advice from the New Zealand Government as to whether they owe allegiance to the Crown in the right of New Zealand and they\u2019re advised that they did not. They\u2019ve sought that advice; the advice has come through saying that they\u2019re not, and, subsequently, they\u2019re charged with an offence under these new provisions. It\u2019s almost that reliance defence where one would think that, ordinarily, that person had a reasonable excuse; if they do, then that ought to be written specifically into statute.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000924\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003EI circle back to the Law Society\u2019s point about being very specific about what is and isn\u2019t included here, rather than adopting general language that the common law applies, because we are talking about a serious offence. We are talking about a taint, as well, after someone might be convicted of this offence. It is very important that we get this clear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000925\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022157391dc1d004f11a47abde46bc77fec\u0022\u003EAgain, I\u2019m just wanting the Minister\u2019s consideration or thoughts or reflections on whether temporary allegiance was considered as a concept; if not, why not? Particularly for those on temporary class visas, and his views about the exception: should it be in there? Does he believe that it falls within the common law scope of what would be excluded if that person relied on advice from the Government or would they otherwise be held to be accountable for breaching the provisions of this new law, even if they had that advice from the Government that they didn\u2019t owe that allegiance?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022 data-id=\u0022193a23623bf34ce0810390a018419aea\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000926\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022193a23623bf34ce0810390a018419aea\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister of Justice):\u003C/span\u003E In relation to the last question about whether we considered views, I\u2019m not sure the extent to which detailed consideration of temporary allegiance was given, but we have certainly not decided to go down that route. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000927\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EIn relation to our friend from the Greens\u2019 reference to \u201Cpeople may be expressing different views\u201D\u2014I think was the phrase he used; I might have got that wrong\u2014from different parts of the Realm, expressing different views. This is not a question of free speech or expressing views; it\u2019s about people who engage in covert, deceptive, coercive, or corruptive conduct for or on behalf of a foreign power to intentionally compromise a protected New Zealand interest, or as reckless as to whether that conduct is likely to compromise an interest. We\u2019re not talking about expressing views. It\u2019s a very different thing indeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022 data-id=\u0022377d6420fd7c4d86926231e02bf2f5cb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000928\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022377d6420fd7c4d86926231e02bf2f5cb\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. I do understand where the Minister of Justice\u2019s coming from, and I think that foreign interference is incredibly serious. Even if you\u2019re looking at something that we\u2019ll touch on later, in terms of clause 7\u2014if you\u2019re looking at section 69 of the Crimes Act, particularly new subsection (1B), inserted by clause 7(1), it is punishable by up to 14 years of imprisonment. We understand the severity of it, which is why this new definition that has been introduced\u2014of the meaning of a person who owes allegiance\u2014is particularly important because this is the crux of a lot of what is going to be coming in terms of the rest of the bill, in terms of the actual offence itself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000929\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ENow, I know that my colleagues have touched on persons \u201Cin New Zealand\u201D. I actually want to focus more on persons \u201Coutside of New Zealand\u201D. Understanding that, when we\u2019re looking at new section 2A(4)(a), (b), and (c), inserted by clause 4\u2014certain areas like, for example, (c)(i) and (b) are potentially relatively easily understood, but I want to focus on subsection 4(c)(iii), which is \u201Chas family or property in New Zealand that demonstrates an enduring connection to New Zealand.\u201D Now, this section is a new section: section 2A. It comes immediately after section 2 of the Crimes Act, \u201CInterpretation\u201D. Therefore, any words that are coming out of 2A will be leveraged off the interpretation or definition that comes under section 2.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000930\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EThe reason I focus on this section is that, under section 2 of the Crimes Act\u2019s, under \u201CInterpretation\u201D, there is no definition of \u201Cfamily\u201D. How broad is \u201Cfamily\u201D? I understand that potentially the keyword here is \u201Cenduring connection\u201D, but just hold on to that thought for the time being. \u201CFamily\u201D is not defined in the interpretation section; property is. \u201CProperty\u201D, in section 2, is defined as \u201Cincludes real and personal property, and any estate or interest in any real or personal property, money, electricity, and any debt, and anything in action and any other right or right or interest\u201D; so \u201Cproperty\u201D has an incredibly broad definition in section 2. If we consider \u201Cenduring connection\u201D, who then determines what that enduring connection is and how broad we make it? Is \u201Cfamily\u201D immediate? Is \u201Cfamily\u201D a great-great-great-aunt? Is \u201Cfamily\u201D second cousin twice removed? That \u201Cenduring connection\u201D is not clear.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000931\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003ENow, I do want to combine that with what is in new section 2A(4A) and (4B), which is \u201CInterpretation\u201D. It says in (4B) that where it is a question of law, \u201Cthe prosecutor or the defendant may adduce\u201D\u2014may adduce. In the event of what we\u2019re seeing in terms of defences, does the person need to then be arrested first, stand trial, and then, in this case, is it for the judge or evidence heard by the jury to determine what that enduring connection is? In those kinds of events, how many people are going to be potentially held under the definition of new section 2A(3) of a person who owes allegiance to the Sovereign in right of New Zealand, if they have, like I said, a great-great-aunt or a second cousin twice removed here in Aotearoa New Zealand or property? I see they may have accrued a debt or a parking fine from travels that they\u2019ve done here in New Zealand; potentially, one day, they may want to come back. Is that considered an enduring relationship?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000932\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e2154eca8dae42a480d28fe23da6e395\u0022\u003EThose are my three questions. What is the definition of \u201Cfamily\u201D\u2014four questions, sorry. What is the definition of \u201Cfamily\u201D, definition of \u201Cproperty\u201D, definition of \u201Cenduring connection\u201D, and does it mean that the judge or evidence heard by a jury will need to determine that after the person has been arrested?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022 data-id=\u00223de819b9e20c41ad8d823486bca91390\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000933\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223de819b9e20c41ad8d823486bca91390\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Chair. Just moving on to clause 7, which inserts new section 69(1A). This is quite interesting because it\u2019s actually not strictly about foreign interference; it\u2019s about an allied series of offences, which are kind of treason and mutiny. But I have a quite specific question here, because the new subsection (1A) talks about \u201CA person who owes allegiance to the sovereign in right of New Zealand commits an offence if the person, outside of New Zealand, aids, incites, counsels, or procures the doing or omission outside [of] New Zealand, by any person not owing allegiance to the Sovereign \u2026 New Zealand \u2026 any act which, if done \u2026 by a person owing such allegiance, would be any of the crimes mentioned in subsection (1).\u201D Subsection (1) mentions, amongst other things, treason and mutiny. So, basically, you can\u2019t find someone who doesn\u2019t owe allegiance and then use them as your tool to commit the crimes of mutiny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000934\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EThen, new subsection (1B) says, \u201CA person who commits an offence against subsection (1A) is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years.\u201D Well, there\u2019s a couple of things in there. Firstly, if you look at the Crimes Act, which we\u2019ve got to remember, Minister, was drafted in 1961, and a few clauses haven\u2019t\u2014it doesn\u2019t look like they\u2019ve been reviewed since then, because \u201Cmutiny\u201D includes some strange language. Mutiny is: endeavouring at any time to seduce any person serving in the New Zealand forces from his or her duty. So a strange use of language there, but, essentially, seeking to induce someone not to do their duty, to breach their duty as a member of the armed forces. But the interesting thing is this: the penalty for inciting to mutiny\u2014that\u2019s section 77 of the Crimes Act\u2014is 10 years. The penalty for being a party to inducing someone else to do that is 14 years. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003ENow, usually being a party, that is to say conspiring or, you know\u2014what\u2019s the other word? You\u2019ll know, Arena Williams. It\u2019s usually a lesser offence. How can it be more serious to incite an offence than to commit an offence? You get 14 years for inciting an offence, but you get 10 years for doing the offence itself. It makes no sense. If you could explain to me why inciting mutiny is 14 years in prison, but being mutinous is 10 years in prison? That would be a really handy elucidation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000936\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002203b3a8aad696414a8eb7f03fa4e88c59\u0022\u003EI\u2019ve got a lot more to go, because this is a very difficult piece of legislation; it\u2019s very complex. I\u2019ll come to further \u201C[incitement], counsels, or attempts to procure\u201D, in new subsection 69(2A) at a later time. But if the Minister of Justice would be kind enough to respond to that, that would be very handy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c05e123d3ca740e998b45b278b3dd8f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000937\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c05e123d3ca740e998b45b278b3dd8f7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: At the risk of leaving the House in suspense, the time has come for me to report progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000938\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EProgress to be reported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000939\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000940\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022359c147cd2d24de5a54bf7fc0f7a872b\u0022\u003EReport of Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000942\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d62d7dd9828a4f2485aa4b9cc4f85aa4\u0022\u003EReport of Committee of the Whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022d0f86b7d27c14bf790b65c4d431b9ffb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000941\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d0f86b7d27c14bf790b65c4d431b9ffb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker, the committee has considered the Crimes (Countering Foreign Interference) Amendment Bill and reports that it has made progress on the bill. The committee has also considered the Crimes Legislation (Stalking and Harassment) Amendment Bill and reports that it has made no progress on the bill. I move, That the report be adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000943\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000944\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00227bcf750bc2ec472b9d1c8aaa7b8a575b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000945\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227bcf750bc2ec472b9d1c8aaa7b8a575b\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The House is suspended. I will resume the Chair at 9 a.m. tomorrow morning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20251104bc8de6886d1949e29b250c3e75e9fd20000946\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 9.57 p.m. to 9 a.m. (Wednesday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002233575f0794a14471a2c30a68b42d5f24\u0022\u003ETUESDAY, 4 NOVEMBER 2025\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ef318514257b42058bd3457d7abcc74d\u0022\u003E(continued on Wednesday, 5 November 2025)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022db98caf871be4baeb956cf7b6116be81\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224f731160f840457fb2ed0ef00a7e4e01\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022615bdc2bd6784370af2cd6dc8c1e3c61\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022615bdc2bd6784370af2cd6dc8c1e3c61\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The House is resumed for the extended sitting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022 data-id=\u0022362d6c834e124199a65dc276e8661f44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022362d6c834e124199a65dc276e8661f44\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I present a legislative statement on the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a1c45d1ae8748d98e0db4a51452ea40\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bb365070a74f49c188bfa724048544fd\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill be now read a first time. I nominate the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee to consider the bill, and at the appropriate time, I intend to move that the bill be reported to the House by 6 March 2026.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003ENg\u0101 iwi nui tonu o Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, nau mai, haere mai, rau rangatira m\u0101. T\u0113nei taku mihi atu ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E[The great peoples of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, welcome, welcome to the many noble leaders. I hereby acknowledge you; greetings and thanks to you all.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EJust over a month ago, I had the privilege of hosting Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu here at Parliament for the signing of their deed of settlement. Now, we come to welcome them back to Parliament for the first reading of their bill. Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, I extend a warm welcome to you, your negotiators, Jill Taylor and Nicola Scott, and all those witnessing the first reading of the bill. I\u2019m pleased to speak in support of a bill that has been many years in the making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EThe overarching claim for Hauraki iwi Wai 100 was lodged at the Waitangi Tribunal in 1987\u201438 years ago. Tane Mokena and Peter Te Wharau subsequently lodged Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu\u2019s specific claims, Wai 663 and Wai 695, in 1997. Jill Taylor also lodged a specific claim in 2008. The Waitangi Tribunal heard and reported on some of those claims in the 2006 Hauraki inquiry report. The historical grievances of Ng\u0101ti Tumutumu particularly centre on the loss of lands surrounding the sacred Te Aroha maunga, where Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu have long exercised kaitiakitanga and drawn mana and substance. The grievances, in particular, relate to the Crown\u2019s confiscation of land in which Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu had interests after they sent men to fight Crown forces in the Waikato.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003ECrown land purchasing techniques and, also, Crown control of lands through the mining residence site licences and the operational impact of the Native Land Court laws saw Ng\u0101ti Tumutumu\u2019s alienation from Te Aroha hot springs and taking of Ng\u0101ti Tumutumu land under the public works legislation. All of this in combination left Ng\u0101ti Tumutumu virtually landless, undermined in their traditional tribal structures, and, also, caused significant economic, cultural, and spiritual hardship.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EIn 2009, Sir Douglas Graham proposed a regional approach to Treaty settlements in the Kaipara, T\u0101maki-makau-rau, and Hauraki regions. Subsequently, in 2011, at a hui in Auckland and Te Aroha, the people of Ng\u0101ti Tumutumu formally gave the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Settlements Committee a mandate to negotiate a Treaty settlement on their behalf. The path to settlement included signing an agreement in principle in July 2011, initialling a deed of settlement in 2017, and, last month, signing both the settlement deed and the Pare Hauraki Collective Redress Deed, through which Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu will also receive redress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EAt the deed signing, Jill Taylor spoke of the challenges of the Treaty settlement process and reminded us of the importance of relationships, tikanga, and acting with integrity. I remember that speech well and acknowledge the sentiments in it. I acknowledge the immense work Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu put into the settlement and the many compromises reached for this point. I\u2019m keenly aware that Ng\u0101ti Tumutumu, of course, have lost a number of esteemed members who contributed to this process and did not live to see this day. This is a special moment in the settlement journey, and it\u2019s only appropriate that, at a time like this, we reflect on those who have passed and acknowledge their work and acknowledge the pain and the sense of loss that goes with that. To Jill and Niki and your fellow negotiator, the late Mapuna Turner, who navigated Tumutumu through this complex negotiation process, I want to thank you for your work and your efforts. It\u2019s taken determination and tenacity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EOn the Crown side, I do want to acknowledge the Hon Rick Barker, who is in the House here today\u2014a former member of Parliament\u2014as well as, more recently, Brian Dickey KC. Finally, I also acknowledge my predecessors Chris Finlayson and Andrew Little, as well as their ministerial colleagues and agencies who have assisted over time, particularly Te Tari Whakatau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EThe claims settlement bill gives effect to the settlement package. It includes the Crown acknowledgment of our breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi and the grievous consequences for Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, their mana, and their taonga. The settlement includes $5.5\u00A0million of financial and commercial redress. It includes vesting 18 sites of cultural significance\u2014with two sites jointly vested with other iwi; agreements with a range of Crown agencies; a range of mechanisms to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu spiritual, cultural, historical and traditional values in areas of particular significance to them; and a cultural redress payment, part of which will go towards the cultural revitalisation of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu. In the deed, the Crown acknowledges that recognition of the longstanding grievances of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu and the provision of redress for these grievances is long overdue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EI\u2019m pleased that we\u2019ll be hearing speeches from members from the other side of the House and all around the House. We recognise that this is a process that, as a country, we\u2019ve been working on for three or four decades now, and it has enjoyed wide support across the House, recognising that no settlement solves every problem in the world. It can never make up for everything that has happened in history, and it requires grace on all sides, but it is a genuine effort that we as a country have been on for the last few years, recognising the mistakes and the wrong deeds of the past and seeking to make acknowledgment for that. I look forward to continuing this legislation through the House so that, in 2026, we may finally achieve full settlement of the historic Treaty of Waitangi claims and to enter into a new stage of our relationship. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022bdbaa234111c4142b9ae9364f145611e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bdbaa234111c4142b9ae9364f145611e\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022 data-id=\u0022a57bf426af3b4f0bae09952bfbd468f8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a57bf426af3b4f0bae09952bfbd468f8\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. Ko te mihi tuatahi ki te Atua n\u0101na nei ng\u0101 mea katoa. Ko te mihi tuarua ki te Whare e t\u016B nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, e ng\u0101 mema o Whare P\u0101remata, t\u0113n\u0101 hoki koutou ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu e noho mai ana i t\u0113nei r\u0101. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, huihui mai t\u0101tou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. The first acknowledgment is to God, to whom all things belong. The second acknowledgment is to the House that stands here: greetings. Greetings to you, the members of Parliament House, and greetings also to the descendants of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu who sit with us today. And so, thanks and greetings to all assembled here.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThank you, Madam Speaker, for the honour\u2014I will say\u2014of being able to stand and speak today on the reading of this bill, the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill. This bill records the acknowledgments and, also, the apology made to Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu by the Crown when the deed of settlement was signed. It gives effect to the redress in that deed that requires this legislation today. In doing so, I see it as representing both a beginning and an end\u2014an end to the long process of negotiation and the beginning of a new chapter for Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, one grounded in recognition and, I hope, also renewed partnership.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThe bill before us today is the expression of the deed that was signed on 26 November 2025, which concluded 15 years of negotiations between Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu and the Crown. It delivers in it the formal apology by the Crown for the breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and it provides a range of commercial and cultural redress for the iwi to move forward with. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThe rohe of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu extends across Te Aroha, the Kaimai Ranges, the Hauraki Plains, and the Coromandel Peninsula. Within it, I know that you are a proud community with unbroken connection to the land, waters, and, also, Te Aroha, as well, included in this\u2014and that is despite the generations of hardship that you have endured.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003ELike so many iwis, sadly, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu is one of deep resilience in the face of incredible loss over the years. Your grievances arise from a series of Crown actions and policies throughout the 19th and the 20th centuries that stripped land, autonomy, and also opportunity. This included the confiscation of 290,000 acres of land in Tauranga following the 1863 Waikato war. In 1864, the purchase of KatiKati and Te Puna plots were made without any proper investigation into your rights and from the Crown\u2019s subsequent failure to establish any of the reserves that it promised to deliver. Later, the Native Land Court processes made further fragmentation and alienated remaining lands, undermining collective M\u0101ori ownership, and rendering people to become increasingly landless. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThe proclamation of a goldfield at Te Aroha in 1880 deprived Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu of control over your own resources without any of your consent being provided. For generations, the economic benefit of that goldfield flowed elsewhere, while the maunga of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu bore the scars of mining and pollution. The most damaging of these environmental injustices came with the Tui mine operation between 1966 and 1973, which left Te Aroha maunga contained with heavy metals and made unsafe for the generations to come. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EOn top of this, Crown policies discouraging te reo M\u0101ori in schools further eroded the ability for Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu to have te reo M\u0101ori as part of day-to-day life. Taken together, these actions and omissions left Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu virtually landless and deeply affected by the consequences of the Crown\u2019s actions that impacted on social, cultural, and economic wellbeing for your people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EToday, I would like to acknowledge those that are here today in the House. I would like to say that the redress provided is not the end of this story; it is a new beginning, providing you with the tools to carve out a future for your people. I really hope that this settlement may bring some healing to the wounds of the past. I hope that it reaffirms your enduring connection with Te Aroha maunga and, also, your lands. But most of all, I hope that it empowers your mokopuna to thrive for the generations to come ahead. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022 data-id=\u00228da4828a4c4e427791823a1759b4b51f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228da4828a4c4e427791823a1759b4b51f\u0022\u003ETEANAU TUIONO (Green):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. E t\u016B ake t\u0113nei m\u0101 ng\u0101 K\u0101k\u0101riki m\u014D t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire whakatau ker\u0113me. Heoi, i te tuatahi me mihi atu ki te wh\u0101nau i haere mai i tawhiti, i Te Aroha, nau mai, haere mai ki t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 P\u0101remata.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EKo Moehau te taurapa, ko Te Aroha te tauihu. Heoi ko te tatau o Hauraki wh\u0101nui, ko koutou an\u014D t\u0113r\u0101, n\u014D reira nau mai, haere mai. Ko Te Aroha ki uta, Te Aroha ki tai, e mihi ana ki ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna i kaha te whawhai kia tau ai t\u0113nei ker\u0113me ki te pae.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EI a au e p\u0101nui ana i t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire, i ruku au ki roto i ng\u0101 rangahau o t\u014D r\u0101tou nei tupuna, o Te Ruinga. I m\u0101rama pai au ki \u014Dna piringa ki Tauranga Moana, otir\u0101 ki a Hauraki an\u014D. N\u014D reira, ka mihi atu au ki \u0113r\u0101 hononga ki waenga i a r\u0101tou. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EKi roto i t\u0113r\u0101 h\u012Btori an\u014D, i kite an\u014D au i te raupatu o t\u014D r\u0101tou nei whenua mai i \u014D r\u0101tou nei piringa ki a Waikato i a r\u0101tou e whawhai ana ki a Pirit\u0101nia Nui, e whawhai ana ki te Karauna i aua w\u0101, tae noa, i noho raupatu an\u014D r\u0101tou. Kua riro ng\u0101 whenua, ng\u0101 rawa katoa i ng\u0101 ringa o te Karauna.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira ko t\u0113nei pire, ehara i te mea ka taea te whakatika ng\u0101 mea katoa, heoi an\u014D he tapuwae ki runga i te h\u012Bkoi me kaha t\u0101tou katoa ki te h\u012Bkoi ki roto i ng\u0101 nekenekehanga ki t\u0113nei mea, te aroha ki Te Tiriti o Waitangi. N\u014D reira koutou m\u0101, nau mai, haere mai.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. I stand on behalf of the Greens regarding this particular claims settlement bill. However, first I would like to acknowledge the family that came here from afar, from Te Aroha: welcome, welcome to this particular Parliament. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EMoehau is the stern post, Te Aroha is the prow. Indeed, greater Hauraki is the doorway\u2014that is who you are, and so welcome, welcome. Te Aroha, both inland and at sea, I acknowledge the ancestors that fought hard to bring this claim to resolution. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EAs I was reading this particular bill, I dived into the research concerning their ancestor, Te Ruinga. I understood well his connections to Tauranga Moana; indeed, to Hauraki, also. And so, I acknowledge those connections among them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EAlso within that history, I noted the confiscation of their land due to their connections to Waikato as they fought against Great Britain, fighting against the Crown at that time, and including when they were subject to confiscation. The lands were lost; all assets were lost to the hands of the Crown.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003ETherefore, this bill, it isn\u2019t that it is able to make everything right; however, it is a step along the journey that we all need to take within the evolution of this thing, the compassion for the Treaty of Waitangi. And so, to all of you, welcome, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EAs I was researching about this bill and learning about the depth of history of the people that have been welcomed here today, I noted that this is actually not their first time to Parliament. Actually, this issue had come to Parliament in 1877 under the Native Affairs Act, where the petitioners argued that Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu were the main occupants of Te Aroha, and they objected to the Crown purchasing land in the block from other iwi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EIn that petition, they wrote: \u201CThat land, Te Aroha, belongs to us alone, to our ancestors, to our hap\u016B Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu \u2026 and we and our hap\u016Bs \u2026 have permanently occupied this land, Te Aroha, from days long gone up to the present day, have large interests in the land, and we are still exercising acts of ownership on the land according to M\u0101ori custom. No other hap\u016Bs or tribes \u2026 had any right or title whatever to this land, Te Aroha, according to M\u0101ori custom.\u201D In that petition, they pointed out about the injustices\u2014things that they did to try to get some control over their land, get some control over their whenua, in 1877. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EI am hoping that this first reading is a step in reconciling those issues that have been long simmering for the people. I want to acknowledge their tenacity, I want to acknowledge their resilience, I want to acknowledge\u2014as we say in M\u0101ori, the whakapau werawera [the sweat they\u2019ve worked up]. They\u2019ve just done all the hard mahi, as well, to get to this particular point. Also to acknowledge that this is not the end. These Treaty settlements are just the beginning and the start of another journey\u2014a positive step in another journey, I hope. A journey towards resilience, as well. I also note that, in researching about this bill, about the impacts of mining, the impacts of goldmining\u2014and, as the Green Party, this is something that we totally sympathise with. You have to look after the whenua. We have to treasure the whenua, as well\u2014and noting that all of the proceeds and the profits that came from the mining went to somebody else.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EEhara i te mea he mutunga kore t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire, heoi an\u014D he t\u012Bmatanga hou, he t\u012Bmatanga, ko te t\u016Bmanako, e ng\u0101kaunui ana te oranga o Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu ki runga i t\u014D r\u0101tou nei hiahia, kia ora an\u014D t\u014D r\u0101tou nei rangatiratanga, t\u014D r\u0101tou nei mana motuhake, ki runga i ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga i moemoe\u0101 ai \u014D r\u0101tou nei t\u016Bpuna, mai i a Te Ruinga tae noa ki a r\u0101tou i whawhai ki roto i ng\u0101 pakanga whenua, te hunga i haere mai me t\u0101 r\u0101tou petihana i te tau 1877 ki te wero ki te K\u0101wanatanga i taua w\u0101, tae noa ki a koutou e noho mai n\u0101. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E[So it is not that this bill is limitless; however, it is a new beginning, a beginning that\u2014the hope is\u2014the wellbeing of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu is guided by, and passionately driven by, their own aspirations, so that their sovereignty and self-determination will be given new life according to the things that their ancestors aspired to, from Te Ruinga and including those who fought in the land wars, those that came with their petition in 1877 to challenge the Government at that time, and including those that are sitting here. And so, greetings and thanks to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022041922b094174bdea464b0c7e680f54c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022041922b094174bdea464b0c7e680f54c\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise to speak on behalf of the ACT Party on the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill, and I welcome you to the House. You\u2019ve been welcomed this morning, but I\u2019m proud to be able to stand up and speak in favour of this bill in front of you today, those of you who have come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu is a Hauraki iwi, with rohe that extends from Hauraki over to Tauranga Moana. We\u2019ve heard contributions today about the alienation that\u2019s happened on both sides of the Kaimai; the beautiful land that is Te Aroha\u2014the mountain and, indeed, the town. The history of the town being built is a sad one for Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, with so much promise but, actually, so much let down, as we see in this bill here today, which gives effect to the deed of settlement, signed many years ago but, as my colleague who has just spoken mentioned, initiated many, many, many decades ago. Generations and so much pain have come between then and now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003EThe town of Te Aroha is a jewel in the area. The historic nature of the town is deep. You only have to take a walk around to know that not just the culture, with the hot springs and the bubbling, carbon dioxide waters that led to special things such as Lemon and Paeroa\u2014but also to making Te Aroha a place that people from around the world once came to visit, before Rotorua was the hot spot that it now is. Te Aroha was the place, and I can imagine how, for generations, watching people come and enjoy and build and create, without having the promised part of reserves and lands set aside for Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu to have what was promised, was painful, and has led to generations of fight to get it back.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003ELike I say, the town of Te Aroha has got much history built on it in the last 150 to 160 years, but there\u2019s a lot more history that goes before that. In the time I spend around there, I enjoy listening to some of the stories about what the maunga Te Aroha\u2019s connection is to the other side of my area and back to Maket\u016B, and also up into the Coromandel and through the greater Hauraki area and also the Kaimai Range. It\u2019s a dominant mountain that oversees the whole area. That means that the mountain has got a geological history, too, and that is explained with many stories from Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu\u2019s experience in the area, which, as we know now, in this bill, runs deep and explains a lot of why the connection to land that was lost through confiscations, through misdeeds, and through bad dealings hurt so much.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003EThe beautiful side that is Tauranga Moana\u2014it\u2019s a difficult one to get one\u2019s head around the Waikato Wars; the way that operated for someone like myself in Tauranga, who learnt the history of what I always thought was sort of an isolated conflict in Tauranga, but through the process of these Treaty settlements, learnt our history and the interconnectivity of the Waikato Wars all the way through the Bay of Plenty up to the T\u0101maki-makau-rau area, through the Waikato, through other battles like \u014Cr\u0101kau. Stories of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu\u2019s warriors going to fight in these wars gives much mana to this hap\u016B and iwi around the Waikato area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003EThis bill is giving action to the deed of settlement, financial redress, cultural redress, and making sure that there are acknowledgments of the way Government deals with Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu in its provisions there in the Hauraki area and around. It\u2019s an important step forward that, I hope, will be taken as a promise for the future to build a stronger and longer-lasting relationship between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu. Thank you very much for your patience with this House. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022 data-id=\u002242fd61cfbf1e4f2d8f21ffec2ef05cff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002242fd61cfbf1e4f2d8f21ffec2ef05cff\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First): \u003C/span\u003EE te P\u012Bka, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Tihei mauri ora. Ko te t\u012B, ko te t\u0101, ko te weu, ko te aka, ko te aka matua e here nei i a t\u0101tou. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 karangatanga maha o Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, ka nui te mihi atu nei n\u0101 t\u0113nei uri n\u014D Te Popoto i Utakura. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EE kore e mimiti te mamae i riro whenua atu, otir\u0101 ng\u0101 taonga i tukuna mai i ng\u0101 t\u016Bpuna hei oranga m\u014D ng\u0101 uri whakatupu. Riro whenua atu, hoki whenua mai. Ahakoa he iti, he t\u012Bmatanga t\u0113nei. M\u0101 konei ka t\u016B rangatira an\u014D te mana M\u0101ori, ka p\u016B\u0101wai te hap\u016B me ng\u0101 uri whakatupu.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D ko te whenua te wai\u016B m\u014D ng\u0101 uri whakatupu, m\u0101 konei e ora ai te iwi. T\u0113nei ka mihi, t\u0113nei ka mihi, t\u0113nei ka mihi ki a t\u0101tou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003E[Madam Speaker, thank you. The breath of life. From one side to the other, the taproot, the vine, the principal vine that binds us all. To those with authority, the representatives, the many relatives of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, many thanks from this descendant from Te Popoto i Utakura. Greetings and thanks to you all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EThe anguish from the loss of land will never recede; indeed, the heirlooms were passed down from the ancestors for the benefit for all of the descendants. As land was lost, it must return. Though modest, this is a beginning. Through this M\u0101ori authority will stand proud, the hap\u016B and descendants will flourish. However, the land is nourishment for the descendants to come, and through this the people will achieve wellbeing. I greet you, I congratulate you, I acknowledge us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EI begin, firstly, on behalf of New Zealand First, in support of the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill. I\u2019d like to acknowledge and pay tribute to the generations of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu who have taken this journey together to seek justice for their people. To the many members of the iwi who have passed away over the course of this journey and are not here in this House to bear witness to this historic first reading of the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill, I acknowledge you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003ETo the members and those of the post-settlement governance entity, and all the members of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu who are here in the House today, I welcome you to the House of Representatives; that you are here on behalf of your iwi aspirations for the future and hopes for the generations to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EThis bill is a result of many long years\u2014I was going to say 15, but we\u2019ve heard, actually, it goes back to the 1800s. So these negotiations have now been going on for a decade or so between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu. Now, in the 2023 Census, they noted that there are 510 members of the iwi\u2014while small in number, mighty in mana. This is an iwi that is one of the original iwi, with ancient whakapapa in and around T\u012Bkapa Moana, the Hauraki Gulf. You\u2019ve been recognised in the broader family of the Hauraki Gulf\u2014the 12 iwi of Hauraki, including Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, that is part of the Pare Hauraki Collective in relation to collective redress, for those shared interests in the Hauraki region. But this bill today is about iwi-specific matters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, you are rejuvenating your sense of place, expanding the knowledge amongst the wh\u0101nau, and reclaiming your identity that was eclipsed through colonisation and the general drift of iwi from their homelands. The area of interest of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu centres around Te Aroha, extends across the Kaimai Range to Katikati and Te Puna, and the Hauraki Plains and the Coromandel Peninsula.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EEarlier in the 1990s, I was a broadcaster on Kiwi FM, and we broadcast coast to coast, from the Waikato through to the Bay. We had a transmission tower on top of Mount Te Aroha, and we had a promo which spoke about the \u201CTower of Power\u201D\u201450,000 kilowatts of power from the top of Mount Te Aroha, and that tower is still there today. It\u2019s a radio broadcast tower, FM; there\u2019s also WSPR\u2014a Weak Signal Propagation Reporter\u2014and a relay station with point-to-point Digital Mobile Radio, and it\u2019s likely also carrying some cellular backhaul on it. Those towers were probably put up without any acknowledgment to the iwi\u2014I\u2019m making that assumption. We wouldn\u2019t probably do that today; we would have a greater recognition of the need to speak with iwi if we\u2019re going to place towers, whether they\u2019re cellular or broadcast, on our sacred maunga.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just like to conclude my contribution by saying that the grievances and what the Crown did\u2014the actions and its omissions, including the land acquisitions confiscations and the introduction of native land laws\u2014alienated Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu from their ancestral lands. There is no doubt that today this bill will begin the writing of a new story for Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, and I look forward to the progress of this bill as it goes through to select committee and back for its third and final reading. I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022602\u0022 data-id=\u002254b7c371a0dd4eec869f10fc997aa6f7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002254b7c371a0dd4eec869f10fc997aa6f7\u0022\u003EORIINI KAIPARA (Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014T\u0101maki Makaurau):\u003C/span\u003E E te Whare, e te Mana Whakahaere o te Whare nei, e whakamiha atu ana. Anei, kei te kapu o taku ringa ko te rau o te aroha. Ko te rau o te aroha n\u0101ku, n\u0101 te m\u0101ngai o T\u0101maki Makaurau; ko te rau o te aroha n\u0101ku, n\u0101 Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori; ko te rau o te aroha t\u0113nei e toro atu ana ki a koutou o Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu. Eke ana te k\u014Drero, M\u014Dkau ki runga, T\u0101maki ki raro, Mangatoatoa ki waenganui, Pare Hauraki, Pare Waikato, ko Te Kaokaoroa-o-P\u0101tetere ki waenganui, ki Te Nehenehenui. Koutou e ng\u0101 uri o ng\u0101 m\u0101tua t\u016Bpuna, nau mai, waihape mai, e tau ki t\u014D koutou Whare.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E[To the House, to the Speaker of this House, I acknowledge you. Here in the palm of my hand is the plume of love. This plume of love of mine, of the representative of T\u0101maki Makaurau; this plume of love of mine, of Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori; this plume of love that is extended to you, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EThe saying has come to resolution: M\u014Dkau in the south, T\u0101maki in the north, Mangatoatoa in between, the boundaries of Hauraki, the boundaries of Waikato, Te Kaokaoroa-o-P\u0101tetere in between, to Te Nehenehenui. You, the descendants of the forebears and ancestors, welcome, welcome back, welcome to your House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EBefore the arrival of tauiwi, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu lived beneath the korowai of maunga Te Aroha, their ancestral mountain, their kaitiaki, their source of strength. The rivers, the bush, the hot springs, ng\u0101 waiariki, all were woven into the life and the very identity of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu. The whenua provided and the people, in turn, cared for it. That balance between tangata and whenua, between wairua and oranga, was the foundation of who they are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EThen came the Crown\u2019s war in the Waikato in 1863. Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, bound by whakapapa and tikanga, sent their men to stand alongside other M\u0101ori fighting for their whenua and their rangatiratanga. For that act of loyalty, the Crown branded them rebels. The punishment was swift and harsh. Hundreds of thousands of acres were confiscated across Tauranga, lands where Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu held deep interests. Though some was later returned, it came back under individual title, breaking down collective ownership and weakening the iwi\u2019s hold on their own whenua. Through the following years, Crown dealings stripped away more of their land: Katikati, Te Puna, and then Te Aroha. Promises of reserves for urup\u0101 and w\u0101hi tapu were never honoured. Even the sacred waiariki, the hot springs of Te Aroha, gifted to the Crown with the understanding the iwi would always have access, was taken.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EBy the 1920s, almost all of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu\u2019s land had been lost. By the end of the century, less than 3 percent remained in M\u0101ori ownership. Along with the whenua went their reo, their tikanga, and their way of life that kept that iwi, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, connected to their maunga, Te Aroha. Many of them were forced to leave, seeking work, seeking stability, but in that leaving was that disconnection, mamae, and loss that they carry to this very day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EThat is the legacy that this redress acknowledges\u2014a legacy of confiscation and broken promises, of wairua wounded but not destroyed. And yet through it all, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu endure. Even when their lands were taken, their mauri remained. Even when their voices were silenced, their mana never left them. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EToday, this bill gives effect to a settlement that says clearly and finally that the Crown was wrong. It offers an apology, the return of sacred sites, and financial redress to help them rebuild, but, more than that, it restores recognition and begins to heal a relationship that was once torn apart.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EKei ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu [To the descendants of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu], your endurance is your power. E tika ana t\u0113r\u0101 k\u014Drero. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E[That statement is true]. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EThrough everything, you have kept the flame, the stories of your iwi, the waiata, the whakapapa, and the aroha for your whenua alive. Today is a tribute to your t\u012Bpuna, who fought for justice, and a gift to your mokopuna, who will inherit the strength of your land. May this settlement be not an end but a beginning, a foundation for the future to come, a time to heal the whenua, to strengthen your people, and to return home in every sense of the word.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EHuri noa i t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E[All around our House, greetings and thanks to you, indeed all of us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022 data-id=\u00228ebe4123a1504b21a48bec5d680b2f52\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228ebe4123a1504b21a48bec5d680b2f52\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN (National\u2014Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise on behalf of the National Party at the first reading of the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill. I welcome all those in the gallery. It is wonderful to see you here today. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003ECan I also say that, goodness, they chose well. It\u2019s the best, most beautiful part of the country, in the mighty Eastern Waikato region and other parts, and I\u2019m proud to be the member of Parliament for Waikato and sharing areas across Te Aroha, in particular\u2014a beautiful part of New Zealand, and an area that I\u2019m very proud of, as well. I can relate to that pride that comes with being in that region, having grown up in the Karangahake and Paeroa area before moving to Matamata, and always having that deep connection to the region and being able to see Mount Te Aroha from just about anywhere around our beautiful region. It is indeed a real privilege.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003EWe heard just before about Lemon \u0026amp; Paeroa, L\u0026amp;P, coming from that area. Let\u2019s not also forget \u201CL \u0026amp; Te Aroha\u201D, Lemon and Te Aroha, which preceded Lemon \u0026amp; Paeroa, I am informed. It actually comes from one of a few natural springs in the world that are carbonated\u2014a naturally carbonated spring. Of course, there\u2019s the Mokena Geyser in Te Aroha, the world\u2019s only soda water geyser. There are incredible opportunities for all those that wish to visit the beautiful region. Come along and spend your tourism money in our area. We most certainly welcome it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022eac32f149d894fa0ac22ecceb7393316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022af06b67789c644cda3cd7644a7d0e04d\u0022\u003ETim Costley\u003C/span\u003E: Shameless!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6dd998faaf64f018c2091e487d2621e\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN\u003C/span\u003E: Shameless plug, indeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003ELook, this is, I think, an important step, and it is great to see, now, having this first reading. I would like to, of course, thank the negotiators on both sides, bringing to an end 15 years of negotiations on this process, which I think will be a welcome relief and provide that certainty, that confidence, that this legislation going forward will bring finality to those historic claims, putting a line under some of the deeds that happened in the past, the unfortunate situations that we saw that impacted significantly on Tumutumu. I think, now, when we look to the redress that\u2019s being provided through this bill\u2014in terms of the financial redress, the cultural redress, the opportunities that come to help\u2014put that foundation in place, now, as a springboard to grow the opportunities into the future. I think that presents a massive opportunity and, indeed, is a very nice positive step after the recent negative situation where the mighty Thames Valley Swamp Foxes lost the Meads Cup final. This is indeed some more positive news for our area. We\u2019re very pleased to see that, as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003EWe look forward to following the progress of this bill through the House and seeing that pass with support from across the House, as we typically see on these sorts of bills, acknowledging what\u2019s happened in the past but looking forward to the future with optimism. I look forward to working with Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, as we continue to work on what\u2019s best for the mighty Te Aroha area and further afield, as well. It\u2019s a pleasure to commend this bill to the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022 data-id=\u00223de0918f20ee4e0f9d371aac3dd796f4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223de0918f20ee4e0f9d371aac3dd796f4\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Reo M\u0101ori, Madam Speaker. Tupu mauri ora ki te whei ao, ki te ao m\u0101rama, tihewa mauri ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EK\u0101ti i te ata nei, i tangihia w\u014D t\u0101tou mate, ng\u0101 mate i mauria mai e Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, e Hauraki wh\u0101nui ki runga o Te \u0100tiawa, ki runga o Ng\u0101ti Toa, Ng\u0101ti Raukawa ki te Tonga i te ata nei. Kotahi anake te k\u014Drero ki a r\u0101tou, haere mai, haere.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EKa whakahokia mai ng\u0101 r\u0101rangi k\u014Drero ki a t\u0101tou, te hunga ora, e meangia ana te k\u014Drero k\u0101re au i te wewete i te whakapapa o Hauraki. \u0100e, i mihi atu ki a Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa i te ata nei. Heoi an\u014D ka t\u0101pae tonutia \u0113nei mihi ki runga i a koutou, e Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, kua tae mai ki runga i te karanga a r\u0101tou m\u0101, ng\u0101 mahi i t\u012Bmatahia ai e \u014D koutou m\u0101tua t\u016Bpuna kua k\u014Drerohia mai n\u0101 e t\u0113n\u0101, e t\u0113n\u0101 o t\u0113nei Whare. N\u014D reira haere mai, haere mai, haere mai.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EMe pono taku k\u014Drero ki a koutou. I kite atu ahau i te r\u0101rangi pire o te Whare ki roto i te wiki kua pahure ake nei, ka kite atu ahau i a Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri, ka p\u014Dh\u0113h\u0113 ko ng\u0101 R\u0101hiri n\u014D Ng\u0101puhi. Ka whakaaro ake ko wai r\u0101 te nanakia i tohua mai n\u0101 Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri i tutukihia ai te w\u0101hanga ki a Ng\u0101puhi, kahore. Engari kua kite atu, kua p\u0101nui atu i te pire, ka kite atu, \u0101, he mana kei roto, he mana tupuna, he mana rangatira.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Haere mai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, haere mai, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, haere mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E[M\u0101ori language, Madam Speaker. Let the vitality of life grow in the emerging world, the world of light; it is the breath of life.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EWell, this morning, our dearly departed were remembered, the deceased that were conveyed here by Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and wider Hauraki to Te \u0100tiawa, Ng\u0101ti Toa, and Ng\u0101ti Raukawa ki te Tonga this morning. There is but one thing to say to them: welcome, rest in peace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ETo return the focus of discourse to us, to the living, it was said that I do not analyse the genealogy of Hauraki. Yes, we greeted Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa this morning. However, these acknowledgments will continue to be offered to you, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, who have come here to answer the call of those who have passed on, the work that was started by your forebears and ancestors that has been spoken about by each person in this House. Therefore, welcome, welcome, welcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EI should speak honestly with you. I saw the list of bills of the House in the last week, I saw Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri, and I thought it was the R\u0101hiri people from Ng\u0101puhi. I thought, who is the mischievous one who indicated that it was up to Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri to resolve the issues of Ng\u0101puhi\u2014no. But I saw, I read the bill and I saw that, yes, there is power in there; it is ancestral power and noble power.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ETherefore, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, congratulations. Welcome, greetings and thanks to you; welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EWelcome to the House, and the speeches this morning have already spelt out much of the historical facts that are known to Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, as well as the Crown. They don\u2019t capture the fullness, though, of much of the story and the history that I know Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu and many of the other hap\u016B and iwi of that rohe continue to carry. It is, however, the historical context negotiated with the Crown that spells out in this bill the history and the progress to move forward, based on that history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ESo, in the short time that I have, and acknowledging that this is only the first reading\u2014and I certainly hope to continue to see this bill through, through the committee stage and into its final reading, where we can not only mourn the past but celebrate the future\u2014I want to share a story for our wh\u0101nau of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu. It is one of more recent relevance, but one that I know will continue to push the maunga of Te Aroha, and the small township that we know of Te Aroha, to the world. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EJust the other day, I was in a conversation with the former Prime Minister the Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern, and I mentioned to her that this particular bill was coming up for its first reading. She went into nostalgic mode and shared stories of her fond memories of Te Aroha, Matamata, and the district, and we cast our minds back to a conversation that she and I had when she discovered that she was with baby and pregnant. She had said to me, \u201CPeeni, I want a name for my baby, and I want the name to be significant to me, to my wh\u0101nau, and to my upbringing.\u201D, and in the course of a long discussion with her, we settled on Te Aroha. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EAt the time that we discussed it, we talked about the importance of the maunga of Te Aroha and the importance of the connections of the people to that maunga and to the district and to the many places that members have already mentioned in the House this morning. From there, of course, the rest of the country knew this young k\u014Dtiro as Neve Te Aroha, but not knowing fully exactly where that ingoa comes from. Now, that\u2019s a practice that isn\u2019t too common nowadays, but it\u2019s something that I think that when we capture the history and we capture the events that took place that lead us to where we are today, they are of importance to know that when that young k\u014Dtiro Neve Te Aroha goes into her bright future, the link to the home that we are discussing here this morning is one of significance and one of importance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EWhen this bill goes through its committee stage, we look forward to hearing the fullness of that particular history\u2014the one that provides the context of this bill\u2014but also some of the missed opportunities. We know that the limitations around the negotiations with the Crown are very real. They don\u2019t fully capture exactly the desires and the aspirations of the iwi. None the less, those who have worked hard to bring it to this point\u2014we acknowledge you. We look forward to following this bill to its completion, and I say to Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, nau mai, haere mai, whakatau mai. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022 data-id=\u002245017c5f0e9a4f34bdb7cf8fcd0fe36f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002245017c5f0e9a4f34bdb7cf8fcd0fe36f\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini):\u003C/span\u003E Ata m\u0101rie to everyone gathered here today, in the gallery, in particular: I want to say thank you very much for making the journey over here. As we\u2019ve heard from my colleagues across the House, a lot of us journey to your rohe, often to have a break from reality in those beautiful lands that you have\u2014but you\u2019ve travelled here not necessarily as a break, but more to look in the face of what\u2019s coming in the future with respect to this settlement. So thank you for gracing us with your presence\u2014to the people in the gallery, Madam Speaker, not to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s a pleasure\u2014a quiet pleasure, rather\u2014to stand up for the first reading speech in the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill. I stand up in my role as deputy chair on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, a responsibility that I take very seriously and a responsibility that I know is, actually, a privilege. Our chair, David MacLeod, sends his apologies that he can\u2019t be here today, but he\u2019s always with us in spirit as we converse on the kaupapa before us.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EJust by way of some technicalities\u2014I think it\u2019s important to mention them before we go on to other subject matters. Indeed, as we\u2019ve heard, the purpose of this bill is to give an effect, in law, to the deed of settlement signed between Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu and the Crown. This was signed on 26 September 2025, not too long ago, but that in no way undermines the decades of struggle in order to get to this point. What we know is that, originally\u2014and, of course, there was k\u014Drero about going back to the 1800s\u2014but, originally, in terms of recent history, the mandate was recognised in June of 2011. That\u2019s a very important step. The conversations I\u2019ve had with the advisers for Treaty settlements is that it\u2019s not easy to receive mandate; it is quite a robust and rigorous process. Finally, mandate was recognised in 2011, but as we said, the deed was signed this year. So that\u2019s something that I feel is important for us to recognise for the record.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s always interesting, as we embark on a Treaty settlement, Madam Speaker\u2014and when I listen to thoughts from across the House, I would like to reflect today, with your indulgence, on how, when I was first introduced to Papakura Marae in South Auckland, it was quite an eye-opener to me; an eye-opener in that, for me as someone that was born overseas and was embraced by New Zealand when I got married to my husband Roger, this is a place that was established as a result of parts of the subjects that we\u2019re talking about here today: the Waikato wars, the displacement of a lot of M\u0101ori from their whenua, the need to work in the city. But our elders\u2014and God rest his soul, Mr Brian Joyce that passed away recently, who was quite a pinnacle figure in terms of establishing Papakura Marae\u2014what they taught me is that this marae, amongst many others, was established as a result, like I said, of the displacement, to make sure that M\u0101ori, in particular the children, the mokopuna, still had a connection with their heritage, with their culture, with their language.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m pleased that for you here today, all of you here in the gallery and your cousins and brothers and sisters, that we are embarking on this journey that acknowledges some of the grave loss that your ancestors experienced and that is still ongoing to an extent. I look forward to us progressing this through select committee and through the House, as well. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022 data-id=\u0022a190c7e54eaf4b68af99b24659a509d1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a190c7e54eaf4b68af99b24659a509d1\u0022\u003ECUSHLA TANGAERE-MANUEL (Labour\u2014Ikaroa-R\u0101whiti):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, otir\u0101 ko t\u0101ku mihi tuatahi e tautoko ana awau ki ng\u0101 mihi ki te w\u0101hi ngaro, n\u0101na i \u0101rahi mai i a koutou kia tae ora mai koutou ki t\u0113nei Whare o koutou, otir\u0101 o t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D r\u0101, e ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, kei te rongo hoki awau i te wairua o r\u0101tou kua wehe atu, r\u0101tou k\u0101re i tae mai ki te kite kua eke mai koutou ki t\u0113nei w\u0101hanga o t\u014D haerenga kia oti pai, kia whai oranga m\u014D ng\u0101 uri whakaheke. N\u0101 reira ki a koutou ng\u0101 kanohi ora o r\u0101tou m\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e haere tonu ana, e whakahaere tonu ana i \u0113nei mahi i t\u012Bmata i te tau 1877. Heoi an\u014D r\u0101 i t\u0113nei r\u0101, ko t\u0113nei te hua o \u0101 koutou mahi m\u014D ng\u0101 tau 15 kua pahure. Nau mai, haere mai, t\u0113n\u0101 rawa atu koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EE te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, ki te t\u016B au ki te k\u014Drero i runga i \u0113nei kaupapa e p\u0101 ana ki Te Tiriti, he taumahatanga kei runga i \u0113nei k\u014Drero. Ka huri au ki te reo P\u0101keh\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker, indeed my first acknowledgment is in support of the acknowledgments to the hidden place which led you here safe and well to this House of yours, indeed of all of ours.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EHowever, to the descendants of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu, I also feel the spirit of those who have passed on, those who did not come here to see you reach this stage of your journey for a successful conclusion, and for the wellbeing of the descendants to come. And so to you, their living representatives, greetings. Greetings to you who are carrying on and continuing to manage these endeavours that started in the year 1877. However, today, this is the fruit of your labours for the last 15 years. Welcome, welcome, greetings to all of you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EMadam Speaker, should I stand to speak on these issues regarding the Treaty, there is some heaviness on this discourse. I will turn to English.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s always an honour to speak on Treaty settlements, and there\u2019s always a sense of weight that comes with them because of what they represent. They represent pain, they represent injustice, they represent compromise, they represent hope, and they represent a commitment to the future, so I thank you for being here today. I also want to acknowledge Minister Goldsmith for his speech. It\u2019s always nice when we sit here as one unit of Parliament in unison, and especially the Minister\u2019s acknowledgment of alienation and \u201Cthe undermining of cultural structures over the years.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EMe p\u0113hea r\u0101 t\u0101tou e whakatipu i t\u014D t\u0101tou reo me \u0101 t\u0101tou tikanga m\u0113n\u0101 k\u0101re he k\u0101inga m\u014D r\u0101tou ki te tipu? Iti ake i te 3 paiheneti o te whenua i mau tonu i a Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E[How are we to grow our language and our traditional practices if there is no home for them to grow? Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu retained less than 3 percent of the land.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EWhere will our language and our traditions flourish when they have no home, where our legs have no whenua to stand on? Nowhere. They will be lost and they will be compromised. So t\u0113n\u0101 koutou i mau tonu i \u0101 koutou tikanga me t\u014D koutou reo ahakoa ng\u0101 t\u016Bkinotanga a te Karauna ki a koutou.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E[So congratulations to you who maintained your traditional practices and your language despite the abuses of the Crown on you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge that Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu are indeed settling, and they are settling in good faith and as good partners to the Crown, but this redress we are offering here today\u2014$5.5\u00A0million, 18 sites\u2014will never ever pay for what has been taken. So we must acknowledge people who come to this House and settle, because they are indeed settling in good faith and as good partners to the Crown. It is a gracious act indeed, but it is an act of commitment to the future. So t\u0113nei te mihi atu ki a koutou. Ko te t\u016Bmanako, k\u0101re e kore ka p\u016B\u0101wai mai i konei. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E[So I acknowledge you. Hopefully, without a doubt, you will flourish from here on.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EI do not want to get too political on this, but while it\u2019s lovely to hear the acknowledgments of the Government, please take heed. Please take heed and consider some of the legislation we are considering now that could land us back in this situation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D r\u0101 ka hoki atu ki ng\u0101 uri o Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu: n\u014D koutou te r\u0101 nei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D r\u0101 ka whiwhi i a koutou te $5.5 miriona. Ka hoki atu \u0113tahi o \u014D koutou whenua. And anei taku k\u014Drero ki a koutou: ahakoa te aha, he taima pai t\u0113nei ki te t\u016B hei M\u0101ori. Kei te p\u016B\u0101wai t\u014D t\u0101tou reo me \u0101 t\u0101tou tikanga, kei te whai mana t\u0101tou katoa puta noa i Aotearoa, otir\u0101 i te ao, and kei te p\u016B\u0101wai te \u014Dhanga M\u0101ori. K\u0101re e kore, t\u0113n\u0101 pea m\u0101 t\u0113nei p\u016Btea pakupaku noa iho ka uru koutou ki te ao hei tautoko i te \u014Dhanga M\u0101ori m\u014D \u014D koutou uri whakatipu, otir\u0101 m\u014D t\u0101tou katoa o Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003ET\u0113nei te mihi nui rawa atu ki a koutou. E tautoko ana awau i t\u0113nei pire.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003E[However, I will now return to the descendants of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu: today is yours.  However, you will receive $5.5 million dollars. Some of your lands will be returned. And here is what I would like to say to you: despite everything, now is a good time to be M\u0101ori. Our language and our traditional practices are flourishing, all of us have a good reputation all across New Zealand, indeed the world, and the M\u0101ori economy is flourishing. Without a doubt, perhaps through this very small amount of finances you will go out into the world to support the M\u0101ori economy for your growing descendants, indeed for all of us of Aotearoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022febb739e578849e3a210140796bb246c\u0022\u003EProfuse thanks to you. I support this bill.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022 data-id=\u00223855ae8b8f474cd6bb5294323112bfcc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223855ae8b8f474cd6bb5294323112bfcc\u0022\u003EDANA KIRKPATRICK (National\u2014East Coast):\u003C/span\u003E Kia ora. He h\u014Dnore nui m\u0101ku ki te k\u014Drero ki a koutou katoa. He mea nui ki ahau te t\u016B i mua i a koutou me te whakanui i a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003E[Thank you. It is a great honour for me to speak to you all. It is important to me to stand before you and celebrate you. Greetings and thanks to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003EI just want to say a special welcome to those in the gallery today. It\u2019s an honour to have you here, and it\u2019s also an honour to speak on this bill, because it means so much. I want to acknowledge too, though, that this isn\u2019t the end, and there isn\u2019t anything in the world\u2014as my colleague Cushla Tangaere-Manuel said\u2014there is nothing that will make right what happened. This is just the next step in the chapter of the wonderful people of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003EI have spent a fair amount of time in the beautiful rohe that the people of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu come from in my time as a reporter at the wonderful Hauraki Herald, which covered a large part of the rohe. It is definitely a beautiful and extremely historically rich part of the country, and I want to acknowledge that much of that history, in more recent times, should have included Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu in a much more inclusive and different way than it probably has. I look forward to hearing the submissions and stories\u2014hopefully, in your rohe\u2014when we go through the select committee process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003EIt is 15 long years that it has taken for Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu to reach this point, but, as others have said, it\u2019s been a lot longer than that; this is just the Treaty settlement part. I\u2019m privileged to sit on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, which will take this bill through the next stages and, I\u2019m sure, spend some time listening and understanding the stories from the region. I just think it\u2019s useful to remind those around us that the rohe includes Te Aroha, the Kaimai Range, Hauraki Plains, and the Coromandel Peninsula.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003EThe Crown acknowledges that Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu has well-founded grievances arising from as far back as 1863 and the subsequent confiscation of 290,000 acres in Tauranga, as well as the many acts that followed in the years following. These grievances left the people of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu virtually landless and marginalised from their whenua. The Crown acknowledges that Crown actions with respect to gold and other minerals deprived Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu of their rangatiratanga over land owned by them in the Hauraki region. The Crown also acknowledges that, following acquisition of the Te Aroha springs, it did not provide for Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu\u2019s relationship with the site, which has been a longstanding grievance for the people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003EThe deed of settlement includes a Crown apology to Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu for its actions, which harmed the people, and for its breaches of Te Tiriti o Waitangi and its principles. The Crown prejudiced Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu by promoting laws and policies that led to the loss of their whenua, damaged the sacred taonga Te Aroha maunga, and severely undermined the wellbeing and ability of Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu to pass on m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori to their mokopuna, which has left us where we are today. The deed of settlement provides the apology, an agreed historical account, and financial redress of $5.5 million. It includes cultural redress, with the vesting of significant sites, mechanisms for ongoing relationships with Government agencies, commercial redress through rights to Crown properties, and a number of redress measures in the Kaimai Mamaku Conservation Park, primary industry arrangements, and commercial arrangements, too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003EAs I\u2019ve said previously, no amount of redress makes the actions right, and this is not the end; this is just the start of the new chapter. I want to acknowledge those here today, those who have dedicated years to this but may not still be with us, and the agencies and ministries who have all worked on this settlement. Thank you for your patience, your hard work, your commitment, and your dedication to the work that you have done. Your patience, hard work, and resilience is noted. I just want to say, once again, that we look forward to taking this through to the next stages through the select committee, and thank you all so much for your attendance today. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002242664a30b2084eecaa14aec43ec7cf61\u0022\u003EBill read a first time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002252531de6f96f45379729793a6bd21991\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252531de6f96f45379729793a6bd21991\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is, That the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement bill be considered by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EBill referred to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00227372121c69fe4beea6163c16ee9c12ba\u0022\u003EInstruction to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022 data-id=\u002238a565722ed545719283d6f04dcee85c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002238a565722ed545719283d6f04dcee85c\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I move, That the Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu Claims Settlement Bill be reported to the House by 6 March 2026.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022d1324f3b5e6b448b9728e9068d523c2e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d1324f3b5e6b448b9728e9068d523c2e\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022101a749b20284c0bbf23b2efadb1e7fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022101a749b20284c0bbf23b2efadb1e7fa\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Permission has been granted for a waiata.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EWaiata\u2014\u201CKura te Winiwini\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002220845d5d1bdc4d8c83097f39b0cb290d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002220845d5d1bdc4d8c83097f39b0cb290d\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Now, I understand we just need a short moment. Are we having some exchange of some of our visitors? Excellent. Thank you. I think we are almost ready. Excellent. Thank you. Can you all be seated where you\u2019re able? We\u2019ve still got one or two people still coming through the side door up here. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220fd7e86daed44641afa0864c903bee25\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti PAoa Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002261db087932fe4842b18bd3277ec8685e\u0022\u003EIn Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002279deb24f63f04d219fa86eb9a1e63e8b\u0022\u003EPart 1  Preliminary matters, historical account, acknowledgements and apology, and settlement of historical claims\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022dd1f11a285c64eaba6788bed094d77cc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dd1f11a285c64eaba6788bed094d77cc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee on the Ng\u0101ti Paoa Claims Settlement Bill. Members, we come first to Part 1. This is the debate on clauses 3 to 21, Part 1, \u201CPreliminary matters, historical account, acknowledgements and apology, and settlement of historical claims\u201D. The question is that Part 1 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 426 be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00222c6fc07e1ed84853895f9a741413a657\u0022\u003EPart 1 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022679ab7a178d64142ae81d15c67adefa8\u0022\u003EPart 2  Cultural redress\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u00225a6f35fdc8f64700a65118869ef25f96\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225a6f35fdc8f64700a65118869ef25f96\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come to Part 2, debate on clauses 22 to 120, \u201CCultural redress\u201D, and Schedules 1 to 3. The question is that Part 2 stand part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 2 set out on Amendment Paper 426 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00226095c85ed4a648b09fd7f28cf4420b4c\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d69dc3512b7146d5b04c5e584a60cd83\u0022\u003EPart 2 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022984916c42de3447eb673343a01542468\u0022\u003EPart 3  Commercial redress\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u00229bffac4677694c968414110c33e09e47\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229bffac4677694c968414110c33e09e47\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come to Part 3. The question is that Part 3 stand part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 3 set out on Amendment Paper 426 be agreed to.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223ed93283f5a446dba1486e7afb87ed77\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224d84d1968b80427296cb7a682b6299af\u0022\u003EPart 3 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223c9373e330234daaa75a5b5ff49cc018\u0022\u003EPart 4  Provisions for governance reorganisation and transitional taxation arrangements\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022f2e525b8b06d4952883b646da649ff26\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f2e525b8b06d4952883b646da649ff26\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come to Part 4. This is the debate on clauses 146 to 163, \u201CProvisions for governance reorganisation and transitional taxation arrangements\u201D. The question is that Part 4 stand part. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 4 set out on Amendment Paper 426 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022eb4985837b134f88b2aea55b7f3b4652\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022666e3cdbe0854544bec0fbdab52765b5\u0022\u003EPart 4 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002250c1d293643d4667a48f848dc2f8eb59\u0022\u003EPart 5  Repeal, amendments, and savings\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c60d20dc823f45918b619895f3aaa86a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c60d20dc823f45918b619895f3aaa86a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come to Part 5, the debate on clauses 164 to 168, \u201CRepeal, amendments, and savings\u201D. The question is that Part 5 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 5 set out on Amendment Paper 426 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ac5317f05dc04762b7b69fc21e19a047\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022090ab0acf022462ab54a9b752bc9d6cb\u0022\u003EPart 5 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00228138b4553e094ac9bd03cf7b032f9545\u0022\u003ESchedule 1 to 3\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u00224d5864ab523e4dcda6efd22af25efba4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224d5864ab523e4dcda6efd22af25efba4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: We come to the Schedules. The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Schedule 1 set out on Amendment Paper 426 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00226b746fd894564698a4edd4a97f491fd7\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022276d5e05f4c044f19506f5eea1e1738d\u0022\u003ESchedule 1 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u002259d98041889a48b095971a461852c28c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002259d98041889a48b095971a461852c28c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: We come to Schedule 2. The question is that Schedule 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002259dfc00ec74d4ba49a06708969701c3e\u0022\u003ESchedule 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u00221a5fe05a0c4b49e2ba059e146aff8e33\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221a5fe05a0c4b49e2ba059e146aff8e33\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: We come to Schedule 3. The question is that Schedule 3 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002208dd9034033e4d4b967df8b09b20fc03\u0022\u003ESchedule 3 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e59f28b29eb742669fa51b3e14213dbe\u0022\u003EClauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022a0497d4caa7e43798d1d9bcb930b1c39\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a0497d4caa7e43798d1d9bcb930b1c39\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to our final debate, clauses 1 and 2, \u201CTitle\u201D and \u201CCommencement\u201D. The question is that clause 1 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f28583da44f04275a595a38a47619448\u0022\u003EClause 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022c2e60b84efa94b539f686eadf8df6a23\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c2e60b84efa94b539f686eadf8df6a23\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that clause 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00223543690fcaf046f0941b9767ebe9401a\u0022\u003EClause 2 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000180\u0022\u003EBill to be reported with amendment.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000181\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u00221c4debefea56452ca29ce83a778d6d34\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221c4debefea56452ca29ce83a778d6d34\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker, the committee has considered the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Claims Settlement Bill and reports it with amendment. I move, That the report be adopted. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00221bef341cae904bfdaf899dfcd8ce4c52\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221bef341cae904bfdaf899dfcd8ce4c52\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Claims Settlement Bill is set down for third reading immediately. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00221acc592624bf4b7c9856f0ead785f5db\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti P\u0100oa Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022180e2cb8caf646b09ce3ce6b6bd1f837\u0022\u003EThird Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022 data-id=\u00228b20a2de08c045e087aa5f7ba3c93cb3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228b20a2de08c045e087aa5f7ba3c93cb3\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I present a legislative statement on the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285cc72ec2abd4be58812750125a2ae77\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222071cfa802504704aa762e2c55c73e42\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Claims Settlement Bill be now read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, rau rangatira m\u0101, e te iwi o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, n\u0101 koutou te kaha me te manawanui. N\u014D reira t\u0113nei taku mihi atu ki a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E[To those with authority, to the representatives, the many noble leaders, to the people of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa who have displayed such strength and dedication. Therefore, this is my acknowledgment of you. Greetings and thanks to you, to all of us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EThis is the third and final reading of the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Claims Settlement Bill. It marks the conclusion of the settlement process for the historic Treaty of Waitangi claims of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. It delivers redress agreed in the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa deed of settlement and it enshrines in law the Crown\u2019s apology for its breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EThe bill was introduced to the House in December 2022; it had its first reading in June 2023; the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee invited public submissions on the bill and it was reported back to the House for its second reading in April 2024; and as you\u2019ve all just seen, it went through the committee stage just now, and here we are at the third reading. I just want to welcome everybody from across Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa who have come for this third reading and special moment, and I want to thank the speakers this morning. We had a wonderful gathering this morning to hear speeches and to sing waiata, and to particularly acknowledge those who have been part of the process over the last four decades and who are no longer with us, and to acknowledge the pain of their passing and the heightened emotions of this very significant step in the process that we\u2019ve been going through over a long period of time. I just want to say thanks for the speeches and for the warm feelings that were there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti P\u0101oa have been very engaged in this legislative process. There were 350 submissions received by the committee, the majority of which were from Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa members. Iwi representatives also attended the first and second readings. In this settlement, the Crown has acknowledged the cumulative effect of its actions and omissions, including raupatu, the operation and impact of the Native Land Courts, and continued Crown purchasing. These left Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa virtually landless and undermined the economic, social, and cultural development of the iwi, breaching the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles. The Crown also acknowledges it breached the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles when it invaded the Waikato, attacking Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and shelled the unfortified village of P\u016Bkorokoro in 1863, causing the death of iwi members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EIn March 2021, at Wharekawa Marae in Kaiaua, the Crown unreservedly apologised for the breaches of the Treaty of Waitangi and its principles for failing to protect Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa from land alienation, loss of life, devastation caused by hostilities, and the policies that led to the loss of whenua and te reo M\u0101ori. I\u2019m just conscious that some people might be tuning into this debate wondering which part of the country we\u2019re talking about here, and I mentioned Kaiaua on the western shores of the Hauraki Gulf. A beautiful place, stretching on the eastern side of Auckland - T\u0101maki Makaurau. I live in Auckland, and my mountain, \u014Chinerau, or Mount Hobson\u2014you look east across to the beautiful islands of Waiheke and Ponui, and the eastern parts of Auckland and the western side of Hauraki Gulf extending further north is the territory that we\u2019re talking about here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003ENo settlement can fully compensate Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa for what has been lost. A wide range of redress has been negotiated to provide for the historic and cultural recognition of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and to support its economic base to provide for the iwi\u2019s future prosperity. This settlement includes $23.5 million in financial redress and the opportunity to purchase seven commercial properties. There are provisions to strengthen the relationship between Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and the Crown agencies, local government, Health New Zealand, libraries, and museums. There\u2019s also the return of 12 cultural sites of significance in T\u0101maki Makaurau, through the islands and coastal areas of T\u012Bkapa Moana, the Hauraki Gulf. It includes sites for a marae, P\u0101oa Whanake, and papak\u0101inga in the Auckland suburb of Point England.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EThe settlement provides statutory recognition of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and its association with a number of important cultural sites and includes statements of traditional associations and restoration of traditional place names, placement of pouwhenua, and an additional $1\u00A0million for a cultural revitalisation fund. Finally, the settlement consolidates the Waiheke Station farm in the post-settlement governance entity so that all Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa\u2019s Treaty settlement assets are held and governed by one organisation. This consolidation was strongly supported by iwi members during the ratification process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge those members of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa who have passed on, as I mentioned, and for whom justice through this Treaty settlement did not come soon enough. Many, many people from Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa have given their time and energy as volunteers, advocates, and leaders to have their grievances acknowledged and to lay the foundations to realise the collective aspirations of the iwi for a better future. The Crown is grateful for your efforts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EI particularly want to acknowledge the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Rangatira who negotiated the settlement, the late Morehu Wilson, and his co-negotiator, Hau\u0101uru Eugene Rawiri, who is here today standing in the gallery with Morehu\u2019s family, for your significant contribution and sacrifice, and to ensure that this is recorded in the Hansard. I also wanted to thank Herearoha Skipper and Mihingarangi Forbes, chair and deputy chair, respectively, of the post-settlement governance entity and the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Iwi Trust, who have been responsible for supporting this bill through the legislative process; who, together with the other Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa trustees, have been entrusted to take this settlement forward for the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EI do want to acknowledge former Ministers for Treaty Negotiations Christopher Finlayson and Andrew Little, and current and former Chief Crown Negotiators Mike Dreaver, the Hon Rick Barker, who\u2019s here in the House today, and Brian Dickey KC, who\u2019s also up there in the audience. I want to thank my ministerial colleagues, Crown agencies and officials, and elected members of Auckland and Hauraki districts for their work and support in negotiating this settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EIn conclusion, this has been a long journey over many decades. We met with the trustees in Auckland not long ago, and we decided that it was time to complete this, and ideally sooner rather than later, and ideally before Christmas. I\u2019m so delighted that we\u2019ve been able to make this happen, and I just want to acknowledge the support and willingness from members on all sides of the House to make this happen in a timely fashion, and I appreciate that. It is one of those rare occasions where members from across the House all unite in a combined endeavour to continue the work that we are carrying out as a nation to address the mistakes and wrongs of the past, and to acknowledge those, and to find a new path forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EI want to conclude with a whakatauki signifying the longstanding existence of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa as a prosperous maritime and coastal nation, with the ongoing aspirations to reaffirm the prosperity and wellbeing of our people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti P\u0101oa i uta, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa ki tai, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa ki tua o te pae o Matariki. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E[Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa inland, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa at sea, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa beyond the threshold of Matariki. Greetings and thanks to you, to all of us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u0022e1c543eed74247a4970efbeec66bb0b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e1c543eed74247a4970efbeec66bb0b6\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022 data-id=\u00228df6c9b32a1b4f52a48032f8638067e5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228df6c9b32a1b4f52a48032f8638067e5\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Te ao M\u0101ori, Mr Speaker. E \u014Dku rangatira, e \u014Dku tini whanaunga, ka t\u0101pae ake ahau i ng\u0101 mihi i utaina ki runga i a koutou i te ata nei, inanahi an\u014D hoki ki runga i te marae o Pipitea ki raro iho nei. N\u014D reira e \u014Dku rangatira, n\u0101 koutou te wairua o r\u0101tou m\u0101 i whakairi ake ki te t\u0101huhu nui o t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare e t\u016B nei. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, haere mai.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EHaere mai e ng\u0101 mate, e ng\u0101 wairua ki roto ki t\u0113nei nohoanga o t\u0101tou. Ki te kite atu ahau i ng\u0101 t\u016Bru ki runga r\u0101, ka hoki \u014Dku mahara ki t\u014Dku tuakana, ki a M\u014Drehu. I te w\u0101 i uru atu ahau ki roto ki t\u0113nei Whare, i hui ng\u0101tahi m\u0101ua ko M\u014Drehu, m\u0101tou ko Hau\u0101uru.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E[To my noble leaders, to my many relatives, I offer the acknowledgments that were laid upon you this morning and yesterday on Pipitea marae just down here. And so to my leaders, you elevated the spirit of those who have passed on to the apex of our House that stands here. Greetings and welcome.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EWelcome to the recently deceased, to the souls among this sitting of ours. If I observe the chairs up there, my memories return to my senior, to M\u014Drehu. When I entered into this House, M\u014Drehu and I met, and Hau\u0101uru too.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EI remember Morehu. When I first entered this House in 2014, Morehu was one of the first people to contact me to say, \u201CPeeni, I need to speak to you as the member for T\u0101maki Makaurau.\u201D So he and Hau\u0101uru came to my office, and I think for the first four meetings we argued about Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and T\u0101maki. We argued about the deeds of my ancestors before the dates that are mentioned in this bill. Once we recognised that after all of that, through marriage and through connections we are whanaunga, we managed to get on to the important matters that both Morehu and Hau\u0101uru, on behalf of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, were leading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EIt was through that communication and that interaction with them both that I became familiar with this particular settlement and this particular claim. I want to remember Morehu, because he operated with the virtues that were signalled this morning in the p\u014Dwhiri, with pono, with tika, and with aroha. Every interaction I had with that man was always held with those particular virtues at the forefront. The one that we were never ever satisfied on, though, was the ultimate virtue of patience. It\u2019s with that in mind we now come to the third reading of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EI marked my career on the progress of this bill\u2014that\u2019s how I remember it. In fact, one of my first speeches in the House was on the first reading of this bill. \u0100e, kua kaum\u0101tua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E[Yes, I\u2019ve gotten old.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EBut that speaks to the tenacity; that speaks to the long-held and strong views of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa about advancing forward. When I think of the journey that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa have come on, I\u2019m reminded of a number of whakatauk\u012B\u2014or whakatau\u0101k\u012B for the Panekire crew amongst us\u2014the whakatau\u0101k\u012B of our t\u016Bpuna. The first one was from my tupuna Kawiti, who said, \u201CIf I were to flinch at the first touch of the chisel on my nose, how bad would my moko be?\u201D It speaks to the fact that through these challenges, we must continue to maintain and hold our mana and our dignity and never ever lose sight of a fight ahead of us, whatever that may be. Whether that\u2019s Treaty settlements, whether that\u2019s the revitalisation of our language, whether that\u2019s the wellbeing of our families.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EThe other whakatau\u0101k\u012B of my tupuna Kawiti in his discussion with H\u014Dne Heke, who, once they reached the shallow waters of the battle, H\u014Dne Heke wanted to turn around and Kawiti said to him, \u201CNo. You asked me to come to war and my war is with the biggest sharks of the ocean, not with the flounder nipping at your feet.\u201D What that says is, regardless of who is leading the fight or the enemy in front of us, we must always strive forward to make sure that we win that battle against that enemy on the very virtues that I spoke of earlier of aroha, tika, and pono. That\u2019s where Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa find themselves here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EThe Minister and others in this House, over a number of years, have already covered off the challenges around the Hauraki settlement, the Hauraki whenua, and the Hauraki advancement of their interests over many years. To then take a regionalised approach continues to recognise the role of hap\u016B, the role of wh\u0101nau, and the role of iwi that aren\u2019t mainly recognised in much of the narrative of our ancestors of the past. I acknowledged Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu this morning and now I continue to acknowledge Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa here today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EI said earlier that you can\u2019t separate whakapapa, genealogy. You just can\u2019t. So in acknowledging them both, I acknowledge the ancestors who are mentioned in this particular bill, and I want to acknowledge the fact that in the returning of the whenua that have been described or have been laid out in this bill for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, the fight will still continue, that the biggest sharks and taniwha of the ocean are yet to be met. I encourage Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and many others who continue to walk on this journey to remember that whakatau\u0101k\u012B of my tupuna Kawiti.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EIn a very rare misstep this morning, the Minister called me Tau Henare. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022832b8647fb5445c89073a6da0d01edbf\u0022\u003EHon Willie Jackson\u003C/span\u003E: It was deliberate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e686d90c31c44afa7b2485430304e37\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE\u003C/span\u003E: Must be the porohewa\u2014he porohewa [bald\u2014I\u2019m bald].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ENow, while that might be a jovial moment in what is a very serious occasion, I want to remind Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa that, actually, these fights and these battles are very difficult. Despite my family having 50 years in this House, Ng\u0101puhi and my people are nowhere near where you are today. When we were raised\u2014and many of you in this gallery will know\u2014our ancestors and our grandparents and our parents said, \u201CYou will go and do this to benefit your people. You will go and be a teacher. You will go and be a doctor. You will go and be a lawyer\u201D, so on and so forth. Well, in my family, the k\u014Drero was \u201CYou will go into the House of Parliament, and you will settle all the disputes Ng\u0101puhi have with the Crown.\u201D Fifty years and kua kore [nothing has come of it].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ESo, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, I acknowledge you and I honour you. I honour you for the journey that you\u2019ve travelled. Also, recognising my tuakuna Morehu, I\u2019ve spoken about our early connections, and I acknowledge his family here today. When I saw you in the crowd it brought tears to my eyes. I also want to acknowledge Herearoha and my tuahine Mihingarangi. In much of the deliberations, Mihingarangi has been my go-to. I\u2019ve called her on occasions where I thought things could have been different. She\u2019s called me on occasions where things have got difficult. It is true what they say. If you want something done, hoatu ki ng\u0101 w\u0101hine M\u0101ori [give it to M\u0101ori women].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EIf you want it done, give it to M\u0101ori women\u2014pono. We\u2019ve seen that here for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. We\u2019ve seen it over many years for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and indeed across M\u0101oridom. So, to you both, and to the board, in this challenging and difficult time, because I know this road and this journey has not been easy, I acknowledge you and your families for your commitment and for your desire to drive Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa into the future, to embrace the aspirations that you all have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ESo t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou. Ka tahuri atu ahau ki a koe, e t\u014Dku tuakana, e Thomas\u2014Thomas R\u0101wiri. Kua noho t\u0101ua ki te k\u014Drero m\u014D te \u0101huatanga ki wa t\u0101ua tamariki mokopuna. Ng\u0101 hiahia, ng\u0101 moemoe\u0101, ng\u0101 maru\u0101p\u014D ka puritia e \u0101 t\u0101tou tamariki mokopuna.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EAhakoa te iti kei roto i t\u0113nei pire, e hoa, me teitei ake ko ng\u0101 maru\u0101p\u014D, ko ng\u0101 moehewa o \u0101 t\u0101tou tamariki mokopuna. Ko te hiahia m\u0101 t\u0113nei ka tutuki \u0113tahi, engari kei te kapu tonu o te ringa o te M\u0101ori ka taea te taumata e wawatahia nei, i whakatauk\u012Btia nei e \u014D t\u0101ua m\u0101tua, e \u014D t\u0101ua t\u016Bpuna.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E[So, greetings and thanks to you. I now turn to address you, my senior, Thomas\u2014Thomas R\u0101wiri. You and I have sat to discuss the circumstances of our children and grandchildren. The desires, aspirations, and dreams that our children and grandchildren hold on to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EDespite the miniscule amount within this bill, my friend, the dreams and aspirations of our children and grandchildren must be higher. The desire is that some of them will be realised, but it remains in the hands of the M\u0101ori people to achieve the heights that our parents and ancestors dreamed of and proverbialised.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ETo our mokopuna and our tamariki, this is but one small step in a long journey. I say to each and every one of you, it is within the clasp of your hand where we, M\u0101ori, and in this case Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, will reach the highest pinnacles of the achievements and aspirations that they have. It will not be found here, in the House of Parliament, but in the hands of our people. Huri, huri noa, m\u0101 te Atua koutou e manaaki kia tae pai ai koutou ki runga i \u014D koutou whenua taurikura, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, kia ora t\u0101tou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E[To everyone present, may God care for you so that you arrive safe and well on your lush lands, greetings and thanks to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022 data-id=\u0022bd05464101c845a1938d83175d22da78\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bd05464101c845a1938d83175d22da78\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green):\u003C/span\u003E E te M\u0101ngai, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e te Whare. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa ki uta, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa ki tai, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa ki tua o te pae o Matariki\u2014Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, from the land to the sea and beyond the horizons of Matariki.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EE te M\u0101ngai and e te Paremata, I want to acknowledge today the immense strength and resilience of the people of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa to get to this point. It has been a long time coming and, to be perfectly honest with you, it is so much less than you deserve. But this is just one step forward in that enduring and ongoing fight. To that effect, the words and reflections ring in my ears about how, once again, it is M\u0101ori who have kept peace in this country when its supposed partner has time and again breached its commitments but, more than that, lied consistently in how it has behaved so consistently dishonourably.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003ESo if I can just put very clearly on the record, as both the member of Parliament for Auckland Central and the co-leader of the Green Party, that we very strongly believe that Te Tiriti o Waitangi and He Whakaputanga are not things to be settled; they are things to be honoured. That requires that our Crown, on an ongoing basis, upholds its commitments and that, in apologising, we recognise that it requires us to behave markedly different moving forwards because, e te wh\u0101nau, Governments come and go, but Te Tiriti is for ever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003ENow, as reflected in this settlement bill, as many other speakers before me have alluded to, we have a summary of the historical account contained within this bill which we will be passing into an Act today, which makes it abundantly clear what the process of colonisation has done to the people of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. We see here, acknowledged in black and white, that the Crown is noting and putting on the public record that not only has it breached Te Tiriti, not only did it attack the people of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, not only did it steal land and resource, it also lied. And through that process of confiscation, alienation, and theft we see the compounding impacts today noted here. I quote: \u201CBy the end of the twentieth century, only 27% of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa spoke te reo M\u0101ori. The decline of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa tribal structures and the loss of te reo M\u0101ori contributed to a loss of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EI do not want to dwell on the impacts of the awful behaviour from the Crown in this country. Instead, I would prefer for us to take a moment to acknowledge and to uphold the consistent leadership and grace and patience and mana and fight of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. My major interface with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa as the MP for Auckland Central has been primarily through my mahi on Waiheke Island. I just want to acknowledge Whaea H\u016Bhana, who I saw up there, who I know has also been a champion on islands for a really long time for the revitalisation of te reo M\u0101ori.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EBut in talking through the process that we\u2019ve got to get to this day, I think that it would be remiss of any of us to not take a moment not to dwell but to acknowledge how this very settlement process drives and encourages and fans the flames of conflict. This, once again, goes to show how utterly cooked it is when this place, that has been responsible for breaching these foundational agreements in Te Tiriti o Waitangi, then seeks to set the terms of negotiation. This, once again, I think underscores that what we have represented here today, as a result of all of the kaha and the fight to get to this point, is just another stepping stone in upholding the mana of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and denotes that there is so, so much further to go.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EHowever, even without a settlement in place, I have seen the ability of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa to respond not only to the needs of the people on the ground but also abundantly to the needs and the cries of the te taiao and particularly our moana, T\u012Bkapa Moana, the Hauraki Gulf. I reflect\u2014and I saw Blair somewhere up there as well\u2014on the day that we had some common dolphins strand on Waiheke. It was Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa who were among the first on the scene, working with the scientists and making sure that everything was done in accordance with tikanga. So, too, we\u2019ve seen that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa have led when it comes to conservation around Waiheke Island, particularly inner moana, with the r\u0101hui that was placed on four of our significant signal species. Again, this is mahi that has been done without that settlement in place, without that resource which is nowhere near adequate to address what has been taken; not lost\u2014taken! So just to address particularly that which has been taken and the aspirations moving forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EMuch like my colleague, I also have on the hotline Herearoha Skipper, and I want to acknowledge her today, because so frequently whenever anything is happening in, particularly, our moana space, we want to know immediately what it is that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa has to say about that and the positions that we should be taking and considering in our mahi as parliamentarians. But as Herearoha asked me to reflect on in this Chamber in this third reading today, it has been clear that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa have been a people and a force on the whenua and on the moana for hundreds and hundreds of years and will be for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds more to come. That is Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa mana whenua, mana moana. It is the role of our governments to now get out of the way and support Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa to continue to resource their aspirations. Because, I think, as all of us who reflect on the experience and the evidence know, when we support what is good for M\u0101ori, we ultimately get the best possible outcomes for Aotearoa New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EI just also wanted to make the point, as my colleague also did, that I believe, if I\u2019m not recalling incorrectly off the top of my head, that the post-settlement entity board is in fact entirely filled with w\u0101hine M\u0101ori. I don\u2019t know, that might have some indication of some amazing things that are on the horizon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022002041ee93e94d75a55bbf80fb803f27\u0022\u003EBut I am just acknowledging, as I feel that we need to, that this is just one next stepping stone in this journey towards justice. This does not and cannot represent justice, because it is a mere drop in the bucket of what was stolen and the compounding inequities that we see faced today. We must acknowledge the grace, the strength, and the leadership of the people of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. The Greens support this legislation, but we will not stop until Te Tiriti o Waitangi is completely honoured.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229ea8d231f4e948c19f942d51a4ae19bf\u0022 data-id=\u00228897ee5069ff48cfbc7eae498fb1a938\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229ea8d231f4e948c19f942d51a4ae19bf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228897ee5069ff48cfbc7eae498fb1a938\u0022\u003ELAURA McCLURE (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Kia ora. I\u2019d like to extend a mihi from the ACT Party to the iwi, the hap\u016B, and the wh\u0101nau who have joined us in the House today, and the ancestors you have brought with you as well. As a member of Parliament, it is a huge honour and a privilege, as part of our role, to be able to see these settlements go through. I don\u2019t take that lightly. I wear the huge burden that it is on not just you but members of Parliament to do you the honour of passing this bill through the House today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229ea8d231f4e948c19f942d51a4ae19bf\u0022\u003EThis bill is giving the legal effect to parts of the deed of settlement signed by Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and the Crown in 2021. It marks the final settlement of this historic Treaty claim between the iwi and the Crown. The facts are straightforward. Over many decades, the Crown\u2019s actions led to Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa being virtually landless. It is not acceptable at all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229ea8d231f4e948c19f942d51a4ae19bf\u0022\u003EMilitary operations against iwi settlements and the operation of native land laws undermined your ability to maintain economic and social independence. Those are matters of historical record. Those are matters that we all know, and you all know, you live and breathe. This bill doesn\u2019t rewrite the history, but it does acknowledge it. The Crown failed in its obligation. This legislation is about putting that on the record and providing a resolution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229ea8d231f4e948c19f942d51a4ae19bf\u0022\u003EThe settlement includes financial redress and cultural redress relating to sites of importance to Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa across areas including T\u0101maki Makaurau, the Hauraki Gulf, and parts of Waikato. This bill confirms the finality of these claims. That\u2019s important not just for the Crown but for you, too. You deserve closure and certainty for generations of effort to get to this point. We hope this redress will help your roughly 5,000 members come together for each other and share stories of your past, and, most importantly, I hope that passing this bill helps build your vision for your future. I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022 data-id=\u0022eed5b5057bfc4fcbb7898599a4406d23\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022eed5b5057bfc4fcbb7898599a4406d23\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to rise on behalf of New Zealand First in support of the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua me ng\u0101 kuia o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa kua tae mai ki t\u0113nei Whare o P\u0101remata ki te tautoko i te kaupapa o te rangi nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. E t\u016B ana ahau, he uri n\u014D Te Taitokerau, ki te mihi atu ki a koutou. Ka nui aku mihi maioha ki a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ka mihi hoki ahau ki a t\u0101tou katoa kua huihui mai nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003E[To the elder gentlemen and ladies of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa who have come here to this House of Parliament in support of the agenda of the day, greetings and thanks to you all. I stand, a descendant from Northland, to greet you. Many kind regards to you. Greetings and thanks to you all. I would also like to acknowledge all of you who have assembled here: greetings and thanks to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EI begin my contribution by acknowledging and paying tribute to all the generations of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa who have taken this journey together to seek justice for their people, and the many members of the iwi who have passed over in the course of this journey, who are not here today to bear witness to today\u2019s third and final reading\u2014a significant day for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. To the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Iwi Trust, the post-settlement governance entity for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and to all the members of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa here: welcome to the House. It is a privilege, and it is my honour, to speak to your settlement bill today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003ETo say that this settlement journey has taken some time to reach this stage, where you\u2019ve now gathered in the House of Representatives, would have to be something of an understatement, but you all bear witness to the conclusion of the legislative part of this process, and I hope that, from this point on, you can move forward together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EAs I said, it\u2019s taken a very long time, and it has been going on for many, many years. I\u2019d like to acknowledge the complexity of all of the issues that you\u2019ve had to deal with\u2014the many issues\u2014and the history of this journey. A number of challenges that you\u2019ve had to come through during this settlement process have been articulated well by the Minister and those who have spoken to previous readings, as well as those in the House so far today. The boundaries in T\u0101maki-makau-rau and the overlapping interests create, as we know, some difficulties, so it\u2019s not a straight line that has to be navigated through the course of any Treaty settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to speak to a couple of things here, and first I\u2019ll look at the area of interest for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa: Mahurangi is a place very close to my heart\u2014it\u2019s where I reside; T\u0101maki-makau-rau\u2014obviously. I\u2019ve been living in Auckland for a number of years, decades, in fact; the Hauraki Plains; the gulf islands\u2014we all love our beautiful islands; and parts of the Waikato as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti P\u0101oa is a mana moana people. What does that really mean? It means that, when it comes to the ocean, your concern and care\u2014the kaitiakitanga you have for that\u2014is of the utmost degree. I\u2019d just like to make a couple of examples of that. In my role as the Parliamentary Under-Secretary to the Minister for Oceans and Fisheries, I\u2019m very interested in the state of the gulf. We know that Caulerpa, the toxic, invasive seaweed pest, has been a great concern for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and the work that you have done alongside Bremworth to try and smother Caulerpa\u2014although it may not be the ultimate way to get rid of Caulerpa, but many of you have been involved in processes, alongside Nicola MacDonaldWe know that there\u2019s been some progress in that there\u2019s not as much Caulerpa right at the moment, and we\u2019re trying to understand what that is about\u2014what has caused the decrease? Maybe it\u2019s sedimentation, but there is a report due shortly as to where the Government is at in terms of further work that needs to be done alongside our iwi around the Hauraki Gulf.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EThe other point I\u2019d like to note is around Mahurangi, where I live. We\u2019ve had an ongoing issue with Watercare and the contamination of the Mahurangi River, with sewage being spilled multiple times. It\u2019s an ongoing issue with the failure of the Watercare system, which has affected not just the oyster farmers in the region, but it also speaks to the degradation of our waterway flowing out into the harbour. It is not just culturally insensitive; it is totally objectionable that we\u2019ve had these sewage spills. Just last week, 1,200 cubic metres of sewage was contaminated into the Mahurangi River, and we must continue the fight together\u2014all of the iwi who are connected to the Hauraki Gulf\u2014to ensure that Watercare does the right thing and that the infrastructure is fixed, but also compensation is made not just to the oyster farmers but to the iwi as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EWaiheke Island is a place that I\u2019ve been to visit multiple times, and I\u2019ve had the pleasure to join the Waihehe Marine Project. This has been a wonderful experiment\u2014well, it\u2019s more than an experiment. It\u2019s, basically, citizen science, where the community has got involved\u2014Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa is involved as well\u2014in doing the k\u014Dura count and finding out what is the state of the crayfish in the region. Recent surveys by the project have shown that the k\u014Dura population around Waiheke Island is at historically low levels at the moment, with the population described as functionally extinct. That latest survey this year shows an average of 0.7 crayfish per 1,000 square metres in the Waiheke waters. That is a significant drop from last year\u2019s figure. It\u2019s now in its fifth year, and the results of the survey conducted by the Waiheke Marine Project really speak to what more could be done not just by community but by Government, alongside iwi, in terms of restoring the mauri not just of the waters around Waiheke but of the wider gulf as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to also speak to one of your bright, shining stars. Now, not everyone has the backbone or the guts for politics, but I\u2019d like to mention Kerrin Leoni, who stood for mayor in Auckland\u2014a Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa sister. Oh, there she is! Lovely to see you, Kerrin. Congratulations, well done, you made yourself and your wh\u0101nau proud\u201456,000 votes in the latest mayoral election, and I\u2019m really proud of you, sister. I\u2019d just like to say that\u2019s 30,000 more than Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick got when she stood for mayor, so well done, Kerrin; that was a really great effort. Well done to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022837e37360b4e4641b5e066ecaabf6860\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Ms Marcroft, some mention of the bill would be good at this stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6f24924c6094718920a749995b7021b\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the bill, Mr Speaker\u2014thank you for that\u2014I\u2019d just like to say that it\u2019s always a pleasure to speak to a Treaty settlement bill, but actually acknowledging the people, the wh\u0101nau, and the individuals who are a part of a tribe, an iwi, is an important part of when we speak to Treaty settlement bills.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003E I\u2019d like to just continue to say\u2014and I think it was Peeni Henare who just spoke earlier about grasping hold of your future. One thing I\u2019d like to add to that is that I think it\u2019s really important, when we have a Treaty settlement bill like this one we are speaking to today, that we do more than grasp hold of our future; that we actually take this as a way of reimagining our future. We need to change the neural pathways in our brains. We need to have a new mindset\u2014what does a future look like?\u2014and build that mindset and be able to have our children do that at the same time so that we end up creating that future together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EThank you, Mr Speaker. I would like to finish my contribution now, acknowledging Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. Today is a conclusion of many years\u201414 years\u2014of negotiations, three Ministers, and three Governments. We\u2019ve got it done. Congratulations, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. I commend the bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022602\u0022 data-id=\u002264e64854cc904ebdaeaeadb7e88ac94f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002264e64854cc904ebdaeaeadb7e88ac94f\u0022\u003EORIINI KAIPARA (Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014T\u0101maki Makaurau):\u003C/span\u003E E te P\u012Bka, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ka hua au i te whaitiri, ka rarapa r\u0101 runga ng\u0101 pae o Hikurangi. K\u0101ore ia nei ko te unuhanga o te taniwha i t\u014Dna rua, ko Kaiwhare. Ka ngaue T\u0101maki, ka ngaue Hauraki, ka r\u016B te whenua, ka ngaoko te marama, ka ara a Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa ki te pae o te rangi.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EP\u0101oa tangata, P\u0101oa uri, koutou hoki e ng\u0101 kuru tongarerewa o Tukutuku. Koutou ng\u0101 kuia rangatira o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, \u0101, puta noa i te rere o Hauraki, o T\u012Bkapa Moana, kei aku whakatamarahi ki te rangi, amohia mai \u014D koutou t\u012Bpuna kia mahana ai t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E\u0100, t\u0113n\u0101, e ng\u0101 whaea, h\u012Bkina \u014D koutou kauae. E ng\u0101 t\u0101ne, e t\u016B takarerewa ki te kaupapa nui whakaharahara o te r\u0101 n\u0101 koutou r\u0101 hoki i k\u014Dkiri, n\u0101 koutou i kawe, engari kei p\u014Dh\u0113h\u0113 n\u014D koutou te h\u0113. E h\u0113!  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EEhara i a koe, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. Ehara i a koe, te tangata whenua, te h\u0113. E tau mai ki t\u0113nei Whare, te Whare o te Karauna n\u0101na nei koe i t\u014D mai ki konei, ng\u0101 whenua haumako o Te \u0100ti Awa ki Taranaki Wh\u0101nui, o Ng\u0101ti Toa Rangatira, o Raukawa me ng\u0101 huhua iwi o Te Whanga-nui-a-Tara.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EM\u0101ku, m\u0101 te m\u0101ngai ia o T\u0101maki Makaurau, e k\u014Drero i te poto o te w\u0101 kua homai. M\u0101ku koutou e k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei w\u0101.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EAnei an\u014D te tangi, te aroha i te whakaaro nui a te m\u0101ngai m\u014D Hauraki-Waikato, ar\u0101 t\u014D t\u0101tou wahine toa, t\u014D koutou tam\u0101hine, a Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke, m\u014D koutou katoa kua tat\u016B mai ki P\u0101remata i t\u0113nei r\u0101. T\u0113nei te maioha atu a Hana ki a koutou, nau mai, rarau. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, Tainui waka, nau mai, rarau.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E[Mr Speaker, thank you. I was born of the thunder, flashing across the ridgelines of Hikurangi. Indeed, it is the emergence of the leviathan from its lair, Kaiwhare. Auckland trembles, Hauraki rumbles, the very earth quakes, the moon itself stirs, and Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa rises to the horizon of the sky.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EP\u0101oa people, P\u0101oa descendants, and you, also, the valued descendants of Tukutuku. Yourselves, the noble matriarchs of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and all across the flowing waters of Hauraki and the Hauraki Gulf itself, my most esteemed leaders\u2014convey here your ancestors to warm this House of ours.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EIndeed, to the matriarchs, lift your chins. To the men, stand alert to the very important subject of today that you yourselves progressed, that you brought forward, but do not be mistaken that it is your fault. Not at all!  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EIt is not yours, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. The fault is not yours, the people of the land. Come to this House, the House of the Crown who drew you here, to the fertile lands of Te \u0100ti Awa ki Taranaki Wh\u0101nui, Ng\u0101ti Toa Rangatira, Raukawa and the many peoples of Wellington.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003ELet me, let the representative of Auckland, speak in the short time allotted to me. I will speak for you at this time.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EHere, again, do I grieve and lovingly appreciate the wisdom of the representative for Hauraki-Waikato, i.e., our lady warrior, your daughter, Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke, for all of you who have come here to Parliament today. I offer Hana\u2019s welcome to you; welcome, welcome. Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa of the Tainui canoe, welcome, welcome.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EYou honour me, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. It was an honour to welcome you early this morning alongside my whanaunga [relative] Alishia and her t\u0101ne Kura Moeahu, and to hongi and harir\u016B [press noses and shake hands with] you alongside Crown representatives and esteemed guests. It is an absolute honour to speak on behalf of Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori and as the MP for T\u0101maki Makaurau. Ko koe ko au, ko t\u0101ua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E[You are me, we are one].\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EAs the House considers the third reading of the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Claims Settlement Bill, it really is hard for me to stand here without acknowledging those who started this journey for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. Their faces may not be here in this room today, but their spirit is without doubt here, bearing witness to this historic moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EThe challenge for many of us tangata whenua and tangata Tiriti is that with every Treaty settlement read in this Whare, we find ourselves standing between sorrow and hope, between what was taken and what is being restored. There is a name that needs mentioning: M\u014Drehu Wilson, te ringa mau\u012B i raka ai te kaupapa ki te ringa katau. Ko wai te ringa katau kua tau ki te Whare? Ko koe, Hau\u0101uru R\u0101wiri, te m\u014Drehu a M\u014Drehu kua huri ki tua o te \u0101rai, e aku rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 k\u014Drua. Haria mai te wairua tapu o Hariata ki t\u0113nei Whare kia tangihia ia, kia tangihia koutou.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E[M\u014Drehu Wilson, the left hand crossed this initiative to the right hand. Who is the right hand that has come to the House? It is you, Hau\u0101uru R\u0101wiri, the survivor of M\u014Drehu who has turned beyond the veil; my noble leaders, I greet you both. Bring with you the sacred soul of Hariata to this House so that she may be honoured with grief, as you may be.]  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EThe weight of the loss of the instrumental people who carried the weight of the atrocities committed by the Crown against Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa is felt, and I acknowledge this with great respect and aroha. I wish to respond to some of the wise words spoken by Herearoha Skipper, te manutaki i te p\u014Dkaitara o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa this morning at the whakatau [the leader of the flock of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa this morning at the whakatau]. Herearoha, Hau\u0101uru, Mihingarangi: Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori recognises that with the third and final reading of your historic Treaty claims, we are not just consenting to legislation but we are affirming the dignity of a people, the legitimacy of your claims, and the strength of a partnership. Ko te tino rangatiratanga ki a koutou. Ko te k\u0101wanatanga ki a m\u0101tou, te hunga n\u0101 koutou tonu i whakat\u016B hei m\u0101ngai m\u014D koutou, \u0101 tae atu ki ng\u0101 hapori puta noa i te rohe o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, atu i Mahurangi ki Ng\u0101-kur\u012B-a-Wh\u0101rei.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E[Sovereignty is yours. Governance is our role, those that you appointed as representatives for you, including communities all around the traditional estate of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, from Mahurangi to the Bowentown Heads.]  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EWe also acknowledge the tremendous skill and perseverance it takes to navigate the Crown\u2019s Treaty settlement process, a process shaped by the Crown\u2019s own policies, its own limitations, and its ongoing struggle to reconcile words with actions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003EI runga i t\u0113r\u0101 whakaaro, ko te mea nui kia t\u016B toa tonu koutou, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. Anei a Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori me Oriini Kaipara e mihi atu nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022602\u0022\u003E[In that vein, the most important thing is that you stand strong, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. The M\u0101ori Party and Oriini Kaipara hereby acknowledge you: greetings and congratulations to you, to all of us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022 data-id=\u00224384c77e34ad4ed59dc0556d0c58b096\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002299e5598886df43299456ba8aed7d56b3\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224384c77e34ad4ed59dc0556d0c58b096\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u2019Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The member\u2019s time has come to an end.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022 data-id=\u00226093d689a4094a22ae2a5426aea2de22\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226093d689a4094a22ae2a5426aea2de22\u0022\u003ETEANAU TUIONO (Green): \u003C/span\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koe e te P\u012Bka. N\u014Dku te whiwhi ki te t\u016B ki te k\u014Drero m\u014D t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Mr Speaker. I am fortunate to stand to speak on this bill.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EWhat a momentous occasion is it to rise to speak with the Greens on this bill and to acknowledge that the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa have got three Ng\u0101puhi that have stood up to mihi to them. I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s your lucky day, but that\u2019s how it is.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D me mihi au ka tika ki a koutou katoa, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa ki uta, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa ki tai, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa ki tua o te pae o Matariki. Ko koutou an\u014D t\u0113r\u0101 e whakatere ana i te moana pukepuke, ng\u0101 ngaru o t\u0113nei mea, te whakatau ker\u0113me. I a au e p\u0101nui ana i ng\u0101 h\u012Btori o t\u0113nei pire, i kite au, i rongo au i te mamae, i rongo au i te h\u012Btori n\u0101 koutou an\u014D i rongo i roto i ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga o te pakanga, pakanga whenua, me te nui o ng\u0101 whenua i riro ki ng\u0101 ringaringa o te Karauna.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003ET\u0113nei tukanga, ehara i te m\u0101m\u0101. T\u0113nei tukanga, ehara i te m\u0101m\u0101 m\u014D te M\u0101ori. He tukanga wehewehe, he tukanga wehewehe wh\u0101nau, wehewehe iwi, wehewehe hap\u016B. Ko t\u0113r\u0101 te \u0101hua o t\u0113nei tukanga a te P\u0101remata. Heoi an\u014D, n\u0101 t\u014D koutou taenga mai ki waenganui i a m\u0101tou, i kite m\u0101tou i t\u014D koutou rangatiratanga, i kite m\u0101tou i te ara anamata. Te ara anamata m\u0101 \u0101 koutou tamariki mokopuna e kaha nei ki te whai i t\u0113nei mea, i te tino rangatiratanga me te mana motuhake. N\u014D reira t\u0113nei ng\u0101 K\u0101k\u0101riki e tautoko ana i t\u0101 Chlo\u00EB k\u014Drero i \u0101 koutou whakapau werawera kia tae ki t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 w\u0101hi. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EHe nui ng\u0101 k\u014Drero i hora i te Whare nei m\u014D t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 pire. I a au e whakaaro ana ko \u0113tahi w\u0101hi o te iwi e noho ana ki Waiheke, \u0113tahi ki Kohimarama, \u0113tahi ki whenua k\u0113 atu. Heoi ko t\u0113tahi moemoe\u0101 i kite au, me p\u0113hea t\u0113nei iwi e whakat\u016B marae ki runga i \u014D r\u0101tou whenua? He whakaaro M\u0101ori t\u0113r\u0101, he whakaaro rangatira t\u0113r\u0101, he whakaaro e ng\u0101kaunui ana \u0101 t\u0101tou nei tamariki mokopuna.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EI rongo au i te ng\u0101kaunui m\u014D te taiao. He painga t\u0113r\u0101 n\u0101 m\u0101tou o te K\u0101k\u0101riki, te hunga K\u0101k\u0101riki, kia kite m\u0113n\u0101 ka tae koe ki Waiheke kia tae ki ng\u0101 pari o T\u012Bkapa Moana, o Hauraki, \u0101, kei reira an\u014D a Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa e tiaki ana i ng\u0101 uri o Tangaroa. Hei aha? Hei painga m\u014D te katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EE tika ana hoki kia mihi atu ki ng\u0101 w\u0101hine. Mihingarangi, ko koe t\u0113r\u0101, e te tuahine, me \u0113r\u0101 atu. Karen, kei konei koe. M\u014Dhio pai m\u0101tou o te K\u0101k\u0101riki ko te wahine an\u014D, m\u0113n\u0101 kei te haut\u016B te wahine ka tae te waka ki t\u014Dna tauranga. P\u0113nei an\u014D i a m\u0101tou ko ng\u0101 K\u0101k\u0101riki, n\u014D reira e mihi ana ki a koutou e whai w\u0101hi ana ki t\u0113r\u0101 o ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EKo \u0113nei tukanga whakatau ker\u0113me, ehara i te mutunga. He ara me kaha t\u0101tou ki te h\u012Bkoi; he t\u012Bmatanga noa iho, he t\u012Bmatanga ki runga i ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga e kaha nei \u014D t\u0101tou nei t\u016Bpuna ki te moemoe\u0101.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EKo t\u0113nei mea Te Tiriti o Waitangi, ehara i te kirimana noa, i te mea ka rongo koe i \u0113tahi o ng\u0101 kait\u014Drangap\u016B e mea atu ko t\u0113nei mea Te Tiriti o Waitangi he property rights noa iho. E! Kao. Ko t\u0113nei mea Te Tiriti o Waitangi, t\u014Dna tuakanga He Whakaputanga, he mea oranga mutunga kore. He mea e kaha ai ng\u0101 K\u0101wanatanga katoa, ng\u0101 P\u0101remata katoa kia whakang\u0101kauhia ki roto i \u0101 r\u0101tou nei kaupapahere.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EN\u014D koutou an\u014D i haere mai ki te whakatinana i t\u0113r\u0101 \u0101huatanga ki a m\u0101tou, i rongo m\u0101tou. I rongo katoa m\u0101tou i te roa o t\u014D h\u012Bkoi. N\u014D reira n\u0101 m\u0101tou an\u014D, n\u0101 ng\u0101 K\u0101k\u0101riki e mihi ana ki t\u014D koutou nei m\u0101ia, e mihi ana ki t\u014D koutou nei kaha, e mihi ana ki t\u014D koutou nei manawaroa. Kua tae te w\u0101 kia tae te w\u0101 m\u014D te t\u012Bmatatanga o t\u014D koutou nei haerenga. N\u014D reira t\u0113nei ka mihi atu, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E[Anyway, it is appropriate to acknowledge all of you, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, on shore, at sea, and beyond the horizon of Matariki. You are also the ones that are sailing rough seas; the waves of this thing known as claims settlements. As I read the histories in this bill, I saw and felt the hurt, I felt the history that you experienced within the circumstances of the war, land wars, and the vast lands that were lost to the hands of the Crown.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EThis process is not easy. This process is not easy for M\u0101ori. It is a divisive process, a process that divides families, divides iwi, and divides hap\u016B. That is the nature of this parliamentary process. However, it is due to your arrival among us that we see your nobility, we see the future pathway\u2014the future pathway for your children and grandchildren that are committed to the pursuit of this thing we call sovereignty and self-determination. Therefore, the Greens hereby support Chlo\u00EB\u2019s comment regarding your expended sweat in order to make it to this place. Therefore, greetings and congratulations to you all.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EThere has been a lot said in this House about this particular bill. As I was thinking, some of the significant sites of the iwi are on Waiheke, some are at Kohimarama, and others in other land blocks. However, one of the aspirations that I observed is, how will this iwi establish marae on their lands? That is a quintessentially M\u0101ori concept, a noble concept, and an idea that our children and grandchildren are committed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EI felt the commitment to the environment. That is valuable to us in the Green Party, the Greens, to see if you make it to Waiheke, make it to the cliffs of the Hauraki Gulf, of Hauraki, and there also are Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa who are protecting the descendants of Tangaroa. For what purpose? For the benefit of everyone.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EIt is also appropriate to acknowledge the ladies: Mihingarangi, that includes you, sister, and others, also. Karen, you are present. We, the Greens, are well aware that it is indeed women; if women are captaining the vessel, it will arrive successfully at its destination\u2014similar to us, the Greens, and, therefore, I acknowledge you who have contributed to that.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EThis claims settlement process is not an ending. It is a path that we all should walk; it is but a beginning, a beginning that our ancestors were only able to dream of.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EThis thing we call the Treaty of Waitangi is not merely a contract, because you will hear some politicians say that this thing we call the Treaty of Waitangi is merely property rights. No way! No. This thing we call the Treaty of Waitangi, and its predecessor the Declaration of Independence, are unending things. They are things that every Government and every Parliament is able to cherish within all of their policies.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EAs you came here to embody that characteristic before us, we felt it. We all felt the length of your journey. And, therefore, we, the Greens, acknowledge your courage, we acknowledge your strength, and we acknowledge your resilience. The time has come for the time to come for the commencement of your journey. Therefore, I acknowledge you, greetings and congratulations to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022 data-id=\u0022145f9e68f48943078e1a681bc186e271\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022145f9e68f48943078e1a681bc186e271\u0022\u003ETIM VAN DE MOLEN (National\u2014Waikato):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m pleased to rise and take a call here in the final reading of the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Claims Settlement Bill\u2014the final reading recognising the completion of the legislative stage of this process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003EOf course, that is only a very small portion of what it has taken to get to this place, now. I want to acknowledge those members of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa who are present in the gallery today and, particularly, acknowledge those that have been more intimately involved in the negotiations and the work getting this claim settlement bill to the point that we are at today. Indeed, that has been over a very extended period of time, and I want to acknowledge the good faith on both sides from negotiators as they worked through the process, acknowledging some particularly challenging situations in the past, trying to find a position where agreement can be reached, to, ultimately, set a strong platform to enable Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa to move forward with renewed hope and optimism. I think that has been achieved, and those negotiators should, indeed, be proud of what they have been able to deliver, noting the opportunity that it presents and, of course, recognising the difficulties that have gone before.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003EWe see the bill focusing on the Crown apology, an agreed historic account, cultural redress with the return of 12 culturally significant sites, 23 and a half million dollars, and, of course, other support through collective deeds, as well. But that, obviously, only recognises a small measure of what the ultimate view would have been around the impact over a long period of time, and such is the challenge with these Treaty settlement bills. But on this side of the House, this Government is very pleased to continue a strong track record of delivering Treaty settlements in this House, indeed starting the process 30 years ago with the Waikato-Tainui settlement in the mighty Waikato\u2014and of course, now coming right through to today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003EWe saw earlier today, as well, Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu commencing their legislative stage with the first reading of their claims settlement bill, too, and so it is encouraging to see that progress continuing. As the MP for Waikato, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, having some interest down into our region, as well, with their rohe and, indeed, in some areas overlapping with Tumutumu\u2014understandably, it\u2019s a beautiful part of the country; everyone wants to be there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s pleasing to see, when we reflect on what\u2019s happening in that area\u2014it is a wonderful region. You know, we have strong industry in terms of our food and fibre sectors, fisheries, dairy farming, red meat sector, horticulture in that area, but tourism, manufacturing, as well, and some beautiful environmental aspects with incredible conservation. The mountains, the ranges, the ocean, the rivers\u2014just, I think, highlighting some of the intrinsic beauty that most people would see around New Zealand, but that I\u2019m particularly proud of in the Waikato region, anyway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220163f493865845b2aeb9c30858584495\u0022\u003EI\u2019m very pleased to be able to take a call on this bill as we wind down towards the end of the process, being able to draw a line under what has been a long process but a well-supported process getting to, I think, on balance, a good outcome. So I\u2019m pleased to commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022 data-id=\u002275a02822de5f4e3b85fec937bf3314f9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002275a02822de5f4e3b85fec937bf3314f9\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Tuatahi e mihi ana ki a koutou, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, kua tae mai nei i t\u0113nei w\u0101, i whakarangatira i a m\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101. Ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou. Ng\u0101 mihi ki a koe, e Koro, he rawe t\u014D k\u014Drero i t\u0113nei ata. E tika ana ki te whakaparahako i a m\u0101tou, rawe t\u014D k\u014Drero. E m\u014Dhio m\u0101tou ki t\u014D riri, ne, h\u014Dh\u0101 ki ng\u0101 K\u0101wanatanga i t\u0113nei w\u0101 me ng\u0101 K\u0101wanatanga i ng\u0101 w\u0101 o mua. Engari ahakoa he nui te k\u014Drero, ahakoa i tau koe m\u014D ng\u0101 p\u012Bnati me ng\u0101 kongakonga, i te mutunga o te r\u0101 ka pai ake ng\u0101 kongakonga i te kore, ne? I te kore. Engari e mihi ana ki a koe, e te rangatira, koutou katoa o te t\u012Bma. Mana wahine, ng\u0101 mihi ki a koutou, ng\u0101 mihi koutou i whakarangatira i a m\u0101tou i t\u0113nei w\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003E[First, I would like to greet you, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, who have come here at this time, and honoured us at this time. Greetings to you. Greetings to you, Koro, your speech this morning was amazing. It is appropriate to disparage us; your speech was awesome. We are aware of your anger and frustration with the current Government and previous Governments. However, despite the magnitude of the discussions, despite the fact that you settled for peanuts and crumbs, at the end of the day crumbs are better than nothing, right?\u2014than nothing. However, I congratulate you, noble leader, yourself and all of the team. Women power, greetings to you, and thank you for honouring us at this time. Greetings and thanks to you, to all of us.]  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EA lot has been said, and I was listening to some of the k\u014Drero about the w\u0101hine there, and I think one of the things with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa is, no doubt, there was a mana w\u0101hine takeover. I want to acknowledge you all\u2014you know, all the names weren\u2019t read out. So it\u2019s a little bit like the Labour Party, actually, when I see what happened with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa\u2014I\u2019ll come back to the negotiators shortly. All the women\u2019s names weren\u2019t read out, so I want to read them all out, I want to mihi to you all: to Herearoha Skipper, to Lucy Tukua, to Tania Tarawa, to Tui Tawera, to Michelle Wilson, and to the infamous Mihingarangi Forbes\u2014well done to all of you. Homai te pakipaki [A round of applause] for our mana w\u0101hine team. [Applause]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EI want to say it\u2019s fabulous this mana w\u0101hine team, and Peeni and I were talking about Mihi\u2014done some wonderful mahi for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. I really do think, Mihi, your greatest feat here in Parliament was chasing David Seymour down the corridor, which the only shame I felt was that you didn\u2019t trip him up. I thought it was a terrific job that you did that day, Mihi, and I do thank you, my old friend from many, many years ago, for your mahi for te ao M\u0101ori, for your people\u2014and just having a bit of fun there with David Seymour. That\u2019s what it\u2019s like, I think, for all of our people here, who\u2019ve come here today: they are balancing everything. They\u2019re balancing everything, you know, and so I mihi to the mana w\u0101hine team and to the negotiators, to Hau, to Koro, and to others\u2014obviously, Morehu from the past.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EWe heard the frustration this morning, at our mihimihi this morning. It was a beautiful k\u014Drero. We had about 200 to 300 of the iwi turn up. And I\u2019ll be a bit careful here, Mr Speaker, because last time I was talking like this, you kicked me out of the House\u2014but we won\u2019t go there. It was the last tribal bill; I think I talked lots. I\u2019ve been away for a little while. I thought I\u2019d stay away from some of these iwi k\u014Drero!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EThis is such an important kaupapa, and I look at how our people\u2014and I listened to Koro this morning: the frustration of our people in his mihimihi this morning. You know, Peeni and I were sitting there, and Hau had just done a beautiful k\u014Drero to the Minister\u2014we thought a little bit over the top, Hau, but kei te pai. Kei te pai. You know, Koro certainly balanced that out\u2014old \u201CGoldie\u201D was feeling on top of the world there for a while, but you certainly changed things. Koro talked about the frustration that our people feel in terms of going through the process, and he talked about, \u201CHey, this was never our fault.\u201D We made you feel like we had something to do with it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick talked about it too, and I want to acknowledge what she was saying: there\u2019s such a sacrifice from our people. We subsidise this country in terms of the Treaty settlements. You\u2019re talking about iwi taking 2 or 3 percent of what the settlement was worth. And that\u2019s what Koro was talking about this morning, you know. It\u2019s either peanuts or nothing, so we take the peanuts, and our iwi have taken the peanuts there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EThat does not mean they\u2019re not grateful for the mahi done by the Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations, the Hon Paul Goldsmith, by Minister Finlayson, by Minister Little\u2014they\u2019re not ungrateful for that. That\u2019s what we heard this morning: the gratefulness, and then the anguish and the frustration that you have to go through a system that only recognises 2\u00A0or\u00A03\u00A0percent of the actual loss. I\u2019m sure some of you know, Koro will know, that when Tainui and Ng\u0101i Tahu settled for $170 million, the economic estimate of the settlement was $16 billion to $18 billion. That\u2019s what we are subsidising this country with, and so that\u2019s the type of k\u014Drero we get from the Chl\u00F6es, from Mariameno, from Oriini. Our people know about what we commit to the process, but never let it be forgotten what we have sacrificed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EI mihi to you all today, in terms of coming here and doing the business. As the Minister said quite rightly, we do try and strangle each other in the House and give it to each other, but outside the House, we are cordial. We will whakakotahi for the kaupapa, because the kaupapa is what we want in the end. We want a settlement. We want our people to be given an opportunity, but we need the House and Crown to remember the sacrifice\u2014the sacrifice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EAgain, as I said, Mr Speaker, I\u2019ll be a bit careful, because we do accept, particularly Minister Goldsmith and Minister Potaka\u2014when we come together for these hui, we do come together. You never see us warring on a paepae or anything, but I have an obligation to remind the House that we come together like this under the shadow of a Government that continues to attack M\u0101ori rights. I know it\u2019s a sensitive area here, but it\u2019s hard when yesterday we were talking, my colleague Willow-Jean Prime was talking about, the Treaty clauses being removed in terms of kura. We\u2019re talking about the Treaty being expelled from legislation. That has to be said today\u2014that this is what we\u2019re balancing. And so I\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022fbd1a4f910ca4f8e9f839f7c092479e9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b606e88575674add8900f35751cfe7b8\u0022\u003EHon Nicola Grigg\u003C/span\u003E: Speak to the bill, Willie.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284e9d4e074424664ac84d18b06a1031a\u0022\u003EHon WILLIE JACKSON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m speaking to the bill. This is part of the bill. You cannot continue to carry on like this without speaking about the constant attack in terms of tikanga M\u0101ori. So I\u2019ll say that and leave it there\u2014and leave it there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EI want to want to want to wrap up by doing a mihi to Kerrin Leoni too, because I thought that, Jenny Marcroft, was a bit uncalled for there. Kerrin Leoni actually got 76,000 votes\u201477,000 votes\u2014and she was the co-chair for Mr Hon Peeni Henare\u2019s T\u0101maki Makaurau electorate, so thank you, Kerrin, for your commitment to the kaupapa. And to you, Miss Chl\u00F6e Swarbrick, I think you were like 16\u2014weren\u2019t you?\u2014when you stood for the Auckland mayoralty, so 30,000 votes wasn\u2019t bad, I think. It wasn\u2019t too bad at all, Chl\u00F6e, so well done to you. No need to talk about those sort of numbers, because I always think anyone who puts themselves up for these positions, we should acknowledge. So well done to you, Chl\u00F6e, for what you did all those years ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EToday, in terms of our iwi who come here today, it is a great day. It is a great day. For all its warts and whatnot, it\u2019s still a great day that we as parties can come together on. It\u2019s great that the Minister can front up and listen to the criticism and whatnot, and we still k\u014Dkiri the kaupapa, \u0101e\u2014we still move forward and say, \u201CRight, we acknowledge, we acknowledge. And now we\u2019ve got this p\u016Btea, now we\u2019ve got the settlement. Now what can we do?\u201D I think you\u2019ve got the example with Tainui, you\u2019ve got the example with Ng\u0101i Tahu, we\u2019ve got the example with Ng\u0101ti Wh\u0101tua. I think that\u2019s all in place, and maybe $23 million won\u2019t go a long way, but what you\u2019ve set\u2014your example in terms of fight, in terms of principle, in terms of values\u2014will be held in good stead for all the rangatahi who are coming through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003EI mihi to you all, and to Hau, to Koro, to all our negotiators who\u2019ve come through, Morehu, to our mana w\u0101hine team, to Rick Barker, Mike Dreaver, for your work in terms of bringing all us M\u0101ori together. Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. T\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 an\u014D t\u0101tou katoa. Kia ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227621aa65fb9249cd978df57a6441c990\u0022\u003E[I hereby acknowledge you; greetings and thanks to you, to us all. Thank you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022 data-id=\u0022559e7c47781749a09226e1e5fbba319a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022559e7c47781749a09226e1e5fbba319a\u0022\u003EDAN BIDOIS (National\u2014Northcote):\u003C/span\u003E E te Mana Whakaw\u0101, tihei mauri ora. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 iwi, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Te Whare e t\u016B nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Te papa e takoto nei, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. Ng\u0101 mate, haere, haere, haere. Nau mai, haere mai, nau mai, hoki mai. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003E[It is the breath of life. To the authorities, the representatives, and the iwi, greetings to you all. The House that stands here, I acknowledge you. The land that lies here, I acknowledge you. To the dearly departed, rest in peace. Welcome, welcome back. Greetings and thanks to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to begin by acknowledging the significance of today. It has been well traversed in this House that it is a special day and one that has come after many decades of mahi nearly 200 years since the Treaty of Waitangi was signed and since the atrocities and breaches of the Treaty that we now acknowledge today. I\u2019d also like to acknowledge the beautiful rohe of the Hauraki Gulf and the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa area. Like many in this House, I am a product of the Hauraki Gulf. I was born and raised in East Auckland. I have many fond memories of the Hauraki Plains and down in Thames during Christmas time, and I now live on the North Shore, which is a wonderful place where my family and I live. It is a wonderful area and a place that, I think, as we know, provides sustenance and life to many New Zealanders. It is, I think, the jewel of the North Island, the Hauraki Gulf, and a special place for this iwi, but also a special place for all of New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003EThis bill, as we\u2019ve heard, acknowledges the deed that was signed to settle the claim with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and this bill gives effect to that deed in its entirety. I wish to just account for what is in that deed. It is a historic account, and it is important\u2014and I\u2019d encourage any New Zealander tuning in today to read that historic account\u2014that we do not forget. The second is the Crown apology for the breaches that were made under the Treaty of Waitangi in terms of the land Crown purchases, the confiscation of land, and the native land wars that happened. Next is the redress of $23.5\u00A0million, the vesting of 12 cultural significant sites dotted throughout the Hauraki area, and some significant name changes as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003EAs a former member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee\u2014this bill went through the select committee process\u2014I\u2019d like to acknowledge all my colleagues from across the House. As you can see today, there is a lot that we actually agree on in Parliament. My colleague Willie Jackson\u2014there\u2019s a lot of his speech I don\u2019t agree on, but I do agree that in times like today, we actually come together and support such important legislation in the House. This has been an important process, one where we did make, from the select committee, some changes to this piece of legislation. I do want to acknowledge the officials who have worked diligently in this matter, and those of the Ministers. As has been mentioned by Jenny Marcroft, my colleague here, this piece of legislation has been through many Ministers and many Governments. I\u2019d like to acknowledge that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003EMost importantly, I\u2019d like to focus on the future, which is really in the hands of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and has been acknowledged by the trust entity, which is full of w\u0101hine toa. I\u2019d like to acknowledge, as Willie did, all those members on that trust board: the chair, Herearoha Skipper; the great Mihingarangi Forbes; and all trustee members. It is in your hands to take what is a small amount\u2014and we all acknowledge that no amount of redress can make up for the loss and the damage that has been suffered by iwi. It was 30 years ago we signed the first iwi settlement with Tainui, and it wasn\u2019t easy. If you speak to Sir Doug Graham or if you read accounts of that, it was a very hard process to get through. And, yes, it was a small amount, an insignificant amount, relative to the amount of damage that was done. As you can see, it may have been peanuts, but other iwi across this country have turned those peanuts into plantations. It is our hope, collectively, in Parliament that that happens to Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, that you take what is a small amount and do what you can with it to benefit the future of your members and iwi in your rohe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221b25fe0aaf4a441c89618f1fa196cd1e\u0022\u003EIt is a good day for this House. It is a good day for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. I\u2019d like to, again, acknowledge all of those who have contributed to this process: Morehu Wilson for his contributions in getting us to this stage. Again, I acknowledge that, on this side of the House, National does have a very proud track record of Treaty settlements, and they will continue. The Minister, Paul Goldsmith, has got ambitious plans to get us to the stage where we actually get a lot more iwi settlements across the line. It is on that basis that I commend this bill to the House. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022 data-id=\u00228d7f6a25d4b543a490e6ab79c5d96dcb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228d7f6a25d4b543a490e6ab79c5d96dcb\u0022\u003ESHANAN HALBERT (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Mr Speaker. Rapua te huarahi wh\u0101nui hei ara whakapiri i ng\u0101 iwi e rua i runga i te whakaaro kotahi. Tihewa mauri ora. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EE ng\u0101 mate, e Papa M\u014Drehu, moe mai, moe mai, moe mai r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EE te p\u0101p\u0101, Hau\u0101uru, me ng\u0101 wh\u012Btiki o te k\u012B, ng\u0101 kaum\u0101tua o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou i t\u0113nei r\u0101, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EMe mihi kauanuanu ki a koutou, ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau, ng\u0101 hoa, ng\u0101 kaimahi. E Tipu E Rea, Te Kura o Te Onewa, Te W\u0101nanga Aronui o T\u0101maki Makaurau, t\u0113nei te mihi ki a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E[Seek the wide pathway as a way of bringing together the two peoples with one purpose in mind. It is the breath of life. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003ETo the dearly departed, Uncle M\u014Drehu, sleep well, rest in peace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003ETo my uncle, Hau\u0101uru, and the influential and authoritative, the elders of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, I hereby acknowledge you today, greetings to you all.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EI should respectfully acknowledge you, the families, friends and staff. E Tipu E Rea, Birkenhead Primary School, Auckland University of Technology, I hereby acknowledge you. Greetings to us all, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EToday is a good day. We come together in kotahitanga. We come from T\u0101maki-makau-rau. For those of you from Te Raki-pae-whenua, e mihi ko ana ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003ECan I acknowledge you all, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and the mahi that you have done to arrive at this settlement today. Some may talk about the patience that you have, the resilience, but we know that together, as M\u0101ori, our resilience, our fight for our future, for ng\u0101 Rangatira m\u014D \u0101p\u014Dp\u014D [the leaders of tomorrow]\u2014that together, we will make a better tomorrow for them, and that is what this is about.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EIt is no doubt difficult in one of the most tumultuous Governments that we have seen as M\u0101ori. Some have talked about attacks, but those of you who know me will know that, prior to politics, my time was spent in education, and this has been one of the most difficult weeks, as this Government, a National Government, has removed Te Tiriti o Waitangi from our governing bodies in ng\u0101 kura o Aotearoa. What that means for us is that there is no longer a requirement for them to reflect Te Tiriti in their practices and, most of all, to protect our tamariki, to grow and to learn in those environments as tangata whenua, as M\u0101ori. That makes me sad, and while we celebrate together today, and this is absolutely a celebration, it\u2019s one step forward and two backwards. But, most of all, e wh\u0101nau m\u0101, while I say it\u2019s one step forward and two backwards, we\u2019re still going forward. Nobody can stop us, and most of all, we will go forward together.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EYou\u2019ll also know that I am a descendant of Tamatea-p\u014Dkai-whenua, our wh\u0101nau here from Kahungunu, and tomorrow, our wh\u0101nau from M\u014Dkai P\u0101tea, Ng\u0101ti Whitikaupeka, will come here to sign our agreement in principle, so I understand a little bit the long road that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa has been on, and we\u2019re only partway through. Today, I acknowledge you, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and I also acknowledge the Crown, because the whakatauk\u012B that I opened with talked about partnership: the aspiration of two peoples coming together in this country. This redress is acknowledgment of that: the hurt, the loss, the impact of colonisation on your wh\u0101nau at the hands of the Crown. This is merely a small recognition of that, but it\u2019s also an apology. It\u2019s an acknowledgment of the h\u0113, of the wrongdoing that was done by this place and by the Government and Parliament of the day, to take away what was rightfully yours.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003EI see Whaea Zee there, Janine, and for those of us who come from Te Raki-pae-whenua, Northcote, we often miss seeing our M\u0101ori identity around, and I want to acknowledge the stories, the whakapapa, that we are seeing in the Northcote housing development, at Auckland University of Technology; they are your stories, they are your t\u012Bpuna, and I mihi to you all today. N\u014D reira e mihi kau ana ki a koutou katoa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, mauri ora ki a t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002244281fd7fc7b4e9dbceb6025f4551f2b\u0022\u003E[Therefore, I acknowledge all of you. Greetings and thanks to you; health and wellbeing to all of us.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002245a91c82858d44fda0df4854f18cb4a9\u0022 data-id=\u00221ba991a2d1d1485ea3437288fd75b9dd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002245a91c82858d44fda0df4854f18cb4a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221ba991a2d1d1485ea3437288fd75b9dd\u0022\u003EGREG FLEMING (National\u2014Maungakiekie):\u003C/span\u003E Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, n\u014Dku te maringa nui, n\u014Dku te whiwhi, n\u014Dku te h\u014Dnore nui ki te t\u016B i roto i t\u0113nei Whare, t\u014D Whare, e mihi ana ki a koutou. Ahakoa te mamae o ng\u0101 tau, ahakoa te h\u014Dh\u0101 o t\u0113nei Whare ki a koutou, kua k\u014Dkiri koutou. N\u0101 reira ko t\u0113nei he r\u0101 e whakanui te anamata, ko t\u0113nei te r\u0101 o te t\u016Bmanako, ko t\u0113nei te r\u0101 o te moemoe\u0101, n\u0101 reira ka huri t\u014D m\u0101tou mahara ki t\u014D r\u0101tou tupuna. Kua moemoe\u0101 r\u0101tou i t\u0113nei r\u0101, \u0101, \u0101ianei i t\u0113nei r\u0101 ka titiro r\u0101tou i t\u0113nei tukanga, t\u0113nei r\u0101, t\u0113nei w\u0101. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou ki a r\u0101tou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou ki a koutou. An\u014D, n\u014Dku te maringa nui.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002245a91c82858d44fda0df4854f18cb4a9\u0022\u003EI te t\u012Bmatanga o t\u0113nei k\u014Drero, i mea a Willie Jackson te kupu: \u201CT\u0113nei te kotahitanga\u201D, and tika t\u0113r\u0101, n\u0101 te mea koir\u0101 te \u0101hua o t\u0113nei kaupapa. He kaupapa tino rerek\u0113 i te nuinga o te mahi e mahia ki t\u0113nei Whare, \u0101, ko te nuinga o ng\u0101 mema ki konei i t\u0113nei r\u0101 i whakaahuareka ai ki t\u0113nei momo kaupapa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002245a91c82858d44fda0df4854f18cb4a9\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 koe e t\u0101ku hoa, Peeni Henare. Mate, when you mentioned that the Minister had misspoken and called you \u201CTau Henare\u201D, ka huri \u014Dku whakaaro ki t\u014Dku wheako ia w\u0101 ka k\u014Drero koe ki t\u0113nei Whare, ka puaki t\u014D m\u0101ngai, \u0101, ka tau te wairua. He tino rerek\u0113 te wairua ki t\u0113nei Whare ia w\u0101 ka k\u014Drero koe i te reo taketake, i te reo o t\u0113nei whenua, i te reo o t\u0113nei rangi. \u0100, t\u0113n\u0101 koe, e hoa. T\u014Dku moemoe\u0101 o te r\u0101, kia whakatau koe i ng\u0101 moemoe\u0101 o t\u014D iwi, and maybe that day, if it is my honour to be there, I will call out and say, \u201CKo koe, Tau Henare\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002245a91c82858d44fda0df4854f18cb4a9\u0022\u003EIn\u0101 r\u0101, n\u0101 te mea koir\u0101 te Kaupapa\u2014koir\u0101 t\u0113nei kaupapa. Ehara i te hanga o te mana o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, e kao. Ehara i te hanga o te tino rangatiratanga o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, e kao. Mai r\u0101 an\u014D te tino rangatiratanga o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and t\u0113nei r\u0101, t\u0113nei tukanga e whakamana ana an\u014D i t\u0113nei mana. T\u0113nei tau, t\u0113nei tukanga he whakahou an\u014D i te hononga i waenganui i a koutou me te K\u0101wanatanga. Koir\u0101 te wh\u0101inga o t\u0113nei tukanga. N\u014D reira, ko t\u014Dku moemoe\u0101 m\u014D koutou katoa kia tipu koutou me te whakatupuranga e haere mai nei n\u014D te t\u016B\u0101papa o t\u0113nei whakatau. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002245a91c82858d44fda0df4854f18cb4a9\u0022\u003E[Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, it is my good fortune, it is my good luck, it is my great honour to stand in this House, your House, and congratulate you. Despite the anguish over the years, despite your frustration caused by this House, you have progressed. And so, this is a day to celebrate the future, this is a day of hope, this is a day of dreams, and so our thoughts turn to their ancestors. They have dreamed about this day, and now, today, they will observe this process, this day, this time. Congratulations to them, and congratulations to you. Again, it is my great fortune.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002245a91c82858d44fda0df4854f18cb4a9\u0022\u003EAt the beginning of this debate, Willie Jackson said these words: \u201CThis is unity\u201D, and that is true because that is the nature of this process. It is a very different process to the majority of the work that is done in this House, and the majority of the members here today are positively disposed towards this type of process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002245a91c82858d44fda0df4854f18cb4a9\u0022\u003EGreetings to you, my friend, Peeni Henare. Mate, when you mentioned that the Minister had misspoken and called you \u201CTau Henare\u201D, my thoughts turned to my experience every time you speak in this House; you open your mouth and the spirit calmly settles. The spirit in this House is very different every time you speak the indigenous language, the language of this land, the language of this day. Thank you, my friend. My dream of the day is that you are able to settle the dreams of your people, and maybe that day, if it is my honour to be there, I will call out and say, \u201CIt is you, Tau Henare\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002245a91c82858d44fda0df4854f18cb4a9\u0022\u003EIn particular because that is the job\u2014that is this job; it is not to establish the authority of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, not at all. It is not to establish the sovereignty of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, not at all. The sovereignty of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa is from time immemorial, and today, this process will reconfirm this authority. This settlement, this process is a renewal of the relationship between yourselves and the Government. That is the goal of this process. Therefore, my dream for all of you is that you develop with the generation to come on the foundation of this settlement. Greetings and thanks to you, to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022 data-id=\u00228dc7075ce5634ae1b2991ffd835f0cd8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228dc7075ce5634ae1b2991ffd835f0cd8\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 karangatanga maha o Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa. Ka pupuhi te hau e ahu mai a Kohukohunui, koropup\u016B ki te ng\u0101kau aroha i te mahara i a r\u0101tou m\u0101 kua ngaro. E rere haere te hau k\u014Dmingo, takoto ai te marino, horahia i waho r\u0101, ka p\u016B\u0101wai aku kamo m\u014D t\u0113nei whenua, o Hauraki. Ko P\u0101oa-taringa-rahi, P\u0101oa e tukituki te whatumanawa. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. To the authorities, the representatives, the many relatives of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, greetings and thanks to you all.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EA wind blows that originates at Mount Kohukohunui. My grieving heart wells up in memory of those who have passed on. The swirling wind travels on, leaving behind a calm that spreads out. My eyes blossom for this land, Hauraki. P\u0101oa-taringa-rahi: P\u0101oa, who causes the heart to pound. Greetings to you.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EToday marks a significant milestone, not just for this House but for the people who are here today. It is a moment of intense significance that is both hopeful and solemn\u2014solemn because we reflect upon the generations of loss, hardship, and injustice that have been suffered by Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa at the hands of the Crown, but also hopeful because, today, we move one step closer to Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa determining your own future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThis settlement represents the Crown\u2019s formal acknowledgment of those wrongs committed against Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and the Crown\u2019s apology for breaching Te Tiriti o Waitangi. As we have already heard from my friend and colleague Willie Jackson today, no settlement can even get near to fully compensating for the depth of loss that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa has endured\u2014for the lands taken, for the economic opportunities that have been lost and denied, for the cultural harm, and for the generations forced to live with the consequences of those actions\u2014but what this settlement can do, and what I believe it must do, is lay the foundation for a renewed relationship, one that is built on partnership, one that is built on respect, and also, hopefully, one built on trust.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThis bill is not just about the return of whenua and the provision of redress; it is about recognising the right of Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa to stand strong on your own lands, in your own language, and with your own identity affirmed. The journey to this date has been a long one. Negotiators have worked tirelessly over the years. It was back in 2013 that the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Iwi Trust was confirmed as your post-settlement governance entity, and it was in March 2021 that the Crown signed the deed of settlement with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, a step that came after years of negotiation, reflection, and perseverance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EWhat this bill does is it sets out, in clear terms, how the Crown failed to uphold the principles and the promises made in Te Tiriti o Waitangi. Those breaches include the confiscation of land\u2014raupatu\u2014the unjust operation of the Native Land Court system, the Crown purchasing that left Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa virtually landless, and the policies that have eroded economic, cultural, and social wellbeing over the years. The Crown\u2019s apology recognises the pain caused by the rapid alienation of land after 1840, the devastating impacts of conflict, as well as the laws that stripped away the availability to access te reo M\u0101ori. While no apology can erase that history, the formal acknowledgment of wrongdoing is such an important start; it is the foundation of reconciliation for a shared future that is based on integrity and mutual respect. The settlement includes redress of $23.5 million, the transfer of culturally significant sites, and the ability for redress payments to support revitalisation in those areas.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EJust as important is what the settlement provides; it\u2019s also important to tell the stories that have come with this journey. In the select committee process, one of the submissions stood out so clearly for its heartfelt view of what this represented, and I chose that one today to refer to. It is that of Te Ahipourewa Garner-Forbes. She spoke of watching her mother, her aunties, and her uncles gather at countless hui over the years, dedicating themselves to this long and unforgiving process. She spoke of the anguish in the voices of the negotiators like Hauauru Rawiri and the late Morehu Wilson, who carried that heavy responsibility upon their shoulders. She stated, \u201CUnlike my grandfather or my mother, I have been raised in both te reo M\u0101ori and te reo Ingarangi. I recognise the whakam\u0101 and the mamae held by those who suffered cruel Crown legislation that silenced them.\u201D Her statement that \u201CWe are whenua kore in our special places, and this settlement will go some way to changing that.\u201D captures the very heart of why this bill matters today. The story that she told is one of resilience, manawanui, and endurance in the face of extraordinary loss.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EIn the 19th century, the Crown confiscations and purchases stripped away nearly all land. They drained the Hauraki wetlands, and the diversion of the Waihou and Piako rivers transformed not only the physical landscape but also the very life for generations. Yet, despite that devastation, Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa have persevered. That resilience is embodied in the leadership of today\u2019s iwi representation and the collective will of the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EAn important part of the settlement spirit is partnership, and that is woven all the way through the provisions: mahi tahi. We can already see the fruits of this partnership with the relationship between Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa and Auckland University of Technology, AUT. It\u2019s AUT\u2019s engagement with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa that stands as such a strong example of what it really means to move beyond apology into meaningful collaboration. Together, they have worked to embed Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa narratives within the AUT North Campus, land on which Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa are mana whenua. The university\u2019s commitment to shared values\u2014pono, tika, aroha\u2014is exactly what partnership is under Te Tiriti o Waitangi. It is a reminder that the outcomes of these settlements must reach beyond legal instruments and into the very fabric of our institutions and our communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the many people who have carried this kaupapa across decades: negotiators, kaum\u0101tua, lawyers, historians, Crown officials, and even Ministers, past and present\u2014acknowledging you, Rick Barker, here today. This journey has not been easy. There have been delays, disagreements, and deep frustrations along the way, but the fact that we are here reading this is testament to the perseverance and also the faith in the process of reconciliation. I would like to acknowledge the work of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, which engaged all the way with submitters and helped to ensure that the bill was brought back to this House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to conclude by looking ahead. While we celebrate this moment, we must also remember that settlement does not mean an end to the Crown\u2019s responsibilities. It marks, instead, the beginning of a new relationship, one that requires ongoing commitment to that partnership. Settlements provide a base, a platform for iwi to rebuild and thrive, but they do not erase inequality or restore every loss. For true reconciliation, we must continue to ensure M\u0101ori voices are heard in decision making, that iwi have equitable access to opportunities, and that te reo M\u0101ori and tikanga are respected and normalised right across all spheres of life, including our schools.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EE kore te mana o te Tiriti e mimiti\u2014the mana of the Treaty will not fade. Our collective challenge as parliamentarians in this House is to uphold that mana through action. As Te Ahipourewa reminded us, this settlement is for her generation and those yet to come. It is about creating a future where Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa can stand tall, knowing their identity is valued and that their history is acknowledged.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EHe mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, huihui mai t\u0101tou katoa. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E[Warm greetings to you all. And so, greetings and thanks to you, indeed all of us gathered here.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022 data-id=\u00228a45cedb83c44f92b5bb8c6d8cfacae7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228a45cedb83c44f92b5bb8c6d8cfacae7\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I\u2019m privileged to be the final speaker, as we close this chapter of this very long and arduous journey, on the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Claims Settlement Bill. I\u2019d also like to acknowledge everyone that\u2019s travelled here today, also from my beautiful electorate of Takanini, which includes areas from Manurewa East, all the way up to Flat Bush in Ormiston\u2014so welcome, haere mai\u2014and I\u2019d like to say that I\u2019m very sorry that many of us from the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee were not able to join you this morning. Our hearts were with you, but the mahi that we had here in the House didn\u2019t allow us to be with you. So my apologies in that regard. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EI\u2019m very privileged, as I said in my previous speech, to be the deputy chair of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and, indeed, privileged because I actually wasn\u2019t born here in New Zealand, and I look at everything with a very open eye and open heart. I\u2019ve learnt a lot from the number of Treaty settlements that we have engaged with since I was blessed to be voted in to this House, and I know that I continue to learn. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to just reiterate some of the key time line. When it comes to the key time line of bringing this settlement bill into the House, it began with the previous Government, and so I\u2019d just like to acknowledge the Hon Andrew Little and his mahi in that regard. The deed of settlement was signed in 2021, on 20 March, and the bill was introduced into the House on 15 December 2022. It went to the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee of that previous administration in June of 2023, and there was a total of 351 submissions. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003ENow, I do want to say that it was transferred to us, as the new M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, in the 54th Parliament, so to speak, but in respect of the submissions and the ongoing correspondence\u2014and this was touched upon by various colleagues across the House\u2014there was the issue of Waiheke farm. I think that it would be kind of remiss of me to not mention it, because it was and still is a very important and ongoing issue, and so I\u2019d like to reference it in the House. Essentially, this is referring to the bill transferring the Waiheke farmland from Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Trust Board to the Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa Iwi Trust post-settlement governance entity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EI want to say to the people that have different views that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee spoke a lot and in deep detail and considered this issue quite profoundly, and we found that both trusts exist for the same purpose: the benefit of those who whakapapa to Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. Here, I\u2019d like to say that something I\u2019ve learnt in my last 13 and a half years in New Zealand is that with M\u0101ori, you find a way because your suffering is shared suffering. Sometimes I don\u2019t agree that blood runs thicker than water, but with M\u0101ori, I agree that it does, and I have faith that the disagreements will find a way to dissipate and it will be water under the bridge in some time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EAlso, because we\u2019ve traversed across the speeches today about the technicalities of the deed of settlement, I would like to just say, if I may, that for those of you who are not familiar with the working of Parliament too much, it could be like you\u2019re asking \u201CWhy are we doing this? Why are we going through this process? There was a deed of settlement. Why do we have to go through this process?\u201D If we put it in a nutshell, essentially, in this process here in the House, we\u2019re putting into law what was agreed upon in the deed of settlement. So that contract becomes extralegally binding by us going through this legislative process, and I did just want to clarify that for any of our listeners. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EI will end my k\u014Drero with a couple of points. Through our speeches, we\u2019ve heard the term \u201Cvirtually landless\u201D and that Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa was rendered virtually landless after all of the land was taken, and other things, as well. I reflect on this a lot, particularly when we\u2019re going through settlement legislation. I reflect on what being virtually landless can mean in practice to one\u2019s wairua and to one\u2019s equilibrium. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EI whakapapa to Lebanon, and the Ottoman Empire occupied Lebanon for 400 years and they were brutal. I think to myself that if they took away the land around my beautiful village of Ainata Al Arz, which is very up high on the mountain, I\u2019d feel a lot of anger and I\u2019d walk around with this anger a lot. But I look at our M\u0101ori brothers and sisters, and often and often, again\u2014like I said in my speech, about whakatauhia\u2014you teach me a lot about endurance, about patience, and about perseverance, and I\u2019m still learning. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003ESo I pray that after this we can all go forward, quietly close the door on this chapter, open the door on a new chapter, and\u2014as my friend and colleague Dan Bidois has said\u2014cultivate that plantation: the plantation of the mind, of the spirit, of the heart, and of the land, all for your mokopuna. I commend this bill to the House. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EBill read a third time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u00220404f66e392c425d812820968d196304\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220404f66e392c425d812820968d196304\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Permission has been granted for a waiata. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EWaiata\u2014\u201CRimurimu teretere\u201D \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u002210b11f3fa9b546a7b90448e4132291c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002210b11f3fa9b546a7b90448e4132291c4\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you\u2014that was beautiful. Now we\u2019re just going to take a little bit of time to have our guests move around. We have some more guests coming in shortly, so, for the House, we\u2019ll just take a couple of minutes to do the changeover. Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d96c050bae6845ac8a77e3251422d3af\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022eb1a0372485c40969505bf4f6851ac77\u0022\u003ESecond Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022 data-id=\u00222b973a885ef84cbe93a893f6421ba1fe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222b973a885ef84cbe93a893f6421ba1fe\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH (Minister for Treaty of Waitangi Negotiations):\u003C/span\u003E I present a legislative statement on the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223df4e2ab548c4a5db5b32f0935a2f83a\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e27f92997d15440e95d48e429675ff1c\u0022\u003EHon PAUL GOLDSMITH\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill be now read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti H\u0101ua, t\u0113nei taku mihi atu ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003E[Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, this is my greeting to you, greetings and thanks to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s very good to see you again in the House. It\u2019s my pleasure to stand for the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill, which is now nearing the end of its settlement journey after commencing negotiations with the Crown in 2017, though many of the claims that will be settled by this bill date back as far as 1987. I\u2019d like to acknowledge, as I have, the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua contingent joining us today, and I look forward to meeting you all again in force for the third reading of this legislation, which is the final reading of the legislation before this Treaty settlement is enacted by legislation. That will be coming soon.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EThe M\u0101ori Affairs Committee considered the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill from May to October. There was a great deal of interest in the bill. I understand that it has received almost 1,500 submissions, which is unprecedented for a Treaty settlement bill. Hearings were held both here in Parliament and at Ng\u0101puwaiwaha Marae in Taumarunui. It\u2019s a lovely spot, I\u2019m bound to say. As Minister for the arts, I hear a lot of music, but the best music I\u2019ve heard this year was at Taumarunui at the signing ceremony, where the waiata was on another level in terms of the quality. I will never forget that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EDiscussions at hearings at the select committee were expansive and often robust. I\u2019d like to acknowledge the grace demonstrated by Te Whiringa K\u0101kaho o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Trust during these passionate discussions. I\u2019d also like to commend the trust\u2019s hospitality in hosting the committee in Taumarunui and taking the time to bring them to the sacred Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua sites. I want to thank the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee for their considered review of the bill and their efforts to give each of the many submissions their due. I\u2019m satisfied with the committee\u2019s recommendations, which had only minor amendments to resolve technical issues and last-minute overlapping interests with a neighbouring iwi. This redress is reflective of a robust negotiation, and many compromises have been made along the way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve had a busy morning with Treaty settlements. We\u2019ve had progress of the first reading for Ng\u0101ti Tumutumu and, just now, the final reading for Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa. Here we are with Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua based around Taumarunui. This effort that this nation has been on for the last 30 or 40 years in the Treaty settlements, with broad consensus and support across the political divides that we have in this country, is about recognising the misdeeds of the past, the wrongs that have been committed by the Crown over many, many decades going back into the 19th century, and making amends. I\u2019ll be outlining all those details of the settlement in the third reading, which is to come; we hope, not too far away.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225b7e8615c3024ab68d7bc0784f53dfa1\u0022\u003EThis redress is reflective of the efforts and compromises made along the way, but the trustees, I believe, should be proud of what they have secured for their people. It\u2019s the penultimate step towards a settlement, and then we will be here again soon. I want to, again, thank members of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua who have come today. I welcome them to their Parliament and extend the warm invitation to come back again one more time for the third reading soon. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022 data-id=\u00220857594343c04839968b0044409a8d83\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220857594343c04839968b0044409a8d83\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E Ko te mihi tuatahi ki te Atua n\u0101na nei ng\u0101 mea katoa. Ko te mihi tuarua ki te Whare e t\u016B nei. He mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa i t\u0113nei r\u0101. Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, he mihi mahana ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E\u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, te hunga mate ki te hunga mate. \u0100piti hono, t\u0101tai hono, te hunga ora ki te hunga ora. He mihi mahana ki a koutou katoa. N\u014D reira t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, huihui mai t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E[The first greeting is to God to whom all things belong. The second greeting is to the House that stands here. Warm regards to you all this day. Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, warm greetings to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThat which is joined remains an unbroken line, the deceased with the deceased. That which is joined remains an unbroken line, the living with the living. Warm regards to you all. Therefore greetings and thanks to you, to all of us assembled here.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThe Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill that we have before us today is a living record of perseverance and a reminder of the injustices inflicted upon Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua over the years, but also one of unwavering determination to seek justice and to seek a new course for future generations. This bill represents a culmination of generations of struggle of t\u016Bpuna who endured imprisonment, exile, confiscation, discrimination. Yet, through this, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua have never surrendered their rangatiratanga through this process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThe people of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, you have carried this mamae over the generations. You\u2019ve walked a long road to this point in time. He mihi mahana ki a koutou; t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa e t\u0113nei r\u0101.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003E[Warm greetings to you, greetings to you all this day.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003ETo understand the significance of this bill, I think it\u2019s important to reflect also on part of the history in terms of what the actions of the Crown did to breach Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and that goes right back to the New Zealand Company in the 1840s: the sale of lands at Heretaunga that were never willingly sold; the threat of military force as well; the catching and court martialling of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua tupuna Te Rangi\u0101tea, who was sentenced to life imprisonment and passed away while being imprisoned\u2014it\u2019s important to acknowledge those. M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu was sentenced to death at the time. Even in those years, the injustices keep mounting up. Five other t\u016Bpuna were exiled to Australia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EThese events were not isolated. They set the stage for continued conflict for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua and the Crown, and over those years we see that iwi have stood in solidarity with each other, although labelled rebels and punished for fighting against what was theirs and their rights. The confiscations extended to Taranaki and beyond, and Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2019s participation in the peaceful protest at Parihaka\u2014and today is the commemoration date of that sad day in our history\u2014in 1881, once again Crown violence, invasion, arrests, and destruction of property accompanied that. From these events, a long trail, a long legacy of marginalisation ensued. The use of the Native Land Courts to individualise land ownership and break up communal ownership of land and the misuse of public works legislation have all compounded these losses over the years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s important to note that in the early 1900s, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2019s remaining lands were again compromised, and the Crown ignored those conditions on the establishment of the Taumarunui native township, passing legislation that stripped Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua of meaningful control over that area. In addition to that, the creation of Tongariro National Park occurred without any consultation or recognition of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2019s deep relationship with that land. So this settlement is an important step to reconnect the kaitiakitanga to be able to re-establish those in a meaningful way that is acknowledged right across New Zealand and with this legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EPart of this bill is also the Crown\u2019s apology. I hope it really reflects deep thought and reflection of those things that have been so wrongfully done in our past. Through this apology, the bill formally acknowledges the breaches of the Tiriti of Waitangi and it recognises the Crown\u2019s repeated failures to act honourably and the pain that those actions have caused across generations. It\u2019s taken nearly 180 years for these injustices to be acknowledged and set right. That fact alone should really give us a moment to pause.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EI will briefly talk about the cultural redress that\u2019s included in here, some of those overlay classifications, the 64 properties will vest in Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua as reserves\u2014there\u2019s some wonderful opportunities to see those outlaid. Also included in that is the joint management and partnership of Te Pou Taiao joint management committee with the Department of Conservation. It\u2019s so good to see co-management, to see partnership, operating in bills like this when we go forward. The bill also provides for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua representation on the Conservation Board, a voice where once there was no voice at that table. So it\u2019s so good to see it. It gives recognition to your iwi\u2019s m\u0101tauranga and the role of kaum\u0101tua and kaitiaki in day-to-day decision-making.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EI would like to conclude by saying that Treaty settlements are never just about money or transactions. They\u2019re about truth, they\u2019re about recognition, and they\u2019re about healing. They\u2019re about ensuring that our tamariki and mokopuna can grow up in a country that is honest about its past and even dares to be hopeful about its future. The settlement processes are about the Crown fulfilling its obligations under Te Tiriti o Waitangi and walking forward in partnership\u2014meaningful partnership.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EFor those of us in this House, our responsibility is to ensure that these settlements are not only honoured in law but in spirit as well, and that we as members in this House continue to uphold te mana o Te Tiriti and that we continue to address the inequities that persist today, whether those be in housing, health, education, or other opportunities. Because true reconciliation is not a moment in time; it is a movement that we all need to be part of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224a498204a64042f68c4586c8592992d2\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to mention at the end: Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, as you move forward into a future of self-determination and opportunity, may this settlement be a taonga, a legacy for your mokopuna, a reminder to all of us in this House about the importance of justice, compassion, and kotahitanga. To Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, I truly wish: may your future be guided by the strength of your past, by the wisdom of your t\u016Bpuna, and by the light of your wairua. N\u014D reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022 data-id=\u0022c2623fdd4a2447e9932b691c41a22c1c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b546dbe94a7c480c8a38a626c514de60\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c2623fdd4a2447e9932b691c41a22c1c\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022 data-id=\u00229843687816cb41318190f4041d95da04\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229843687816cb41318190f4041d95da04\u0022\u003ETEANAU TUIONO (Green):\u003C/span\u003E M\u014Drena e te P\u012Bka. I rise on behalf of the Greens to speak to this Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill in this second reading. I\u2019m not a member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, so I didn\u2019t have the privilege of going to Taumarunui and listening to the wonderful music that the Minister referred to earlier or to hear the submissions or to partake of the kai as well. But as a previous member of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, in my time, it was one of the more collegial\u2014the most collegial\u2014committees, in my experience. One of the reasons for that was sometimes somebody will show up with a kai. I showed up with p\u0101ua fritters one week. Yeah, I know that because the next week Paul Eagle showed up with blue cod and completely shamed me out. I\u2019m not too sure if that tradition continues over at the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee or whether it\u2019s collegial or not, but it is important for us as a Parliament to work our way through these issues, to give these issues really attentive consideration.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira ka mihi atu au ki a koutou o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, n\u0101 koutou an\u014D t\u0113nei pire, n\u014D koutou an\u014D t\u0113nei mamae roa. E mihi ana ki \u014D koutou nei manawaroa, i te mea i a au e p\u0101nui ana i te h\u012Btori o t\u0113nei o ng\u0101 k\u014Drero, he taumaha. He taumaha ng\u0101 h\u012Btori i kite au.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EE m\u014Dhio wh\u0101nui t\u0101tou ki ng\u0101 \u0101huatanga ki Parihaka; m\u014Dhio pai t\u0101tou ki ng\u0101 p\u0101nga o te p\u014Duri o te pakanga whenua, me te mauhere o ng\u0101 t\u012Bpuna. N\u014D reira n\u0101 te h\u014Dhonu o \u0113r\u0101 h\u012Btori, ka rongo au i te mamae, ka rongo au i te p\u014Duri.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E[There I acknowledge you, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, this bill is yours, and this enduring anguish is yours. I acknowledge your resilience because, as I was reading the history of this narrative, it was heavy. The histories that I saw were heavy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EWe all know, broadly, the circumstances at Parihaka; we are aware of the effects of the anguish of the land war, and the incarceration of the ancestors. And so, due to the depth of those histories, I feel the pain, I feel the sadness.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EJust to acknowledge, as I was reading through this bill and through the select committee report, that it\u2019s quite a heavy history. It\u2019s quite a sad history. We\u2019ve talked earlier around their participation and support of the peaceful actions at Parihaka\u2014the direct actions at Parihaka as well\u2014but then also the imprisonment of two of their t\u016Bpuna. That makes really sobering reading when you read that. I think it\u2019s important for us to note that. You read the accounts of Te Rangi\u0101tea, an elderly, sick, unwell man who was confined for life, and M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu, who was hanged until dead. These kinds of things weigh heavily on wh\u0101nau, they weigh heavily on hap\u016B, and they weigh heavily on community as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EI looked at that name, Te Whareaitu. I live up in the Manawat\u016B and I know some of the Whareaitu wh\u0101nau. I don\u2019t know if they\u2019re related to this Whareaitu. I\u2019m seeing nods in the gallery. My children who go to the Kura Kaupapa o Mana Tamariki went and did their schooling alongside the Whareaitu wh\u0101nau as well, so to see this name here and to sort of see if there\u2019s a connection there, is quite personal as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EJust to acknowledge that when the Crown invaded in 1881, they arrested Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua people and destroyed their property, and in the 1860s, they were labelled as Hauhau and rebels by the Crown. This history is incredibly painful and I want to acknowledge your resilience in that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EAs I was reading through the select committee report as well, I did note that there were some amendments, and amendments that were agreed to by the iwi, by the wh\u0101nau\u2014for example, riverbeds belonging to Te Awa Tupua where we\u2019re transferring a number of conservation areas and reserves to Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. The bill would remove the existing conservation and reserve statuses from some rivers after the land around them had been transferred to Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. So there would be changes around clause 138 which would remove reserve status from two riverbeds from the additional surveys. In the select committee, they recommended amending clause 138 to remove reserve status from a further six riverbeds. Clause 139 would remove conservation status from one riverbed and they recommended amending it to remove conservation status from a further four riverbeds.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EI guess my observation from the outside of that would be that would allow Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua more say, I guess, in how that is managed as well. There are other kind of consequential amendments around the title\u2014for example, the Office of M\u0101ori Crown Relations, who were known as Te Arawhiti; its new name of the Office of Treaty Settlements and Takutai Moana.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EThese bills are incredibly important and they\u2019re incredibly important to traverse, but I guess, from the Greens\u2019 perspective, we continue to make the point that the point of the Treaty is about relationships. It\u2019s about ongoing and building relationships. It\u2019s not just an end point. It\u2019s not just about property rights. It\u2019s about trying to build those relationships with iwi, hap\u016B, and wh\u0101nau. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EThe other point that I would make as well, as I was reading this horrendous and painful history for our wh\u0101nau from Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, is how incredibly important it is for our tamariki and our mokopuna to be able to have this history in kura, to be able to have this history in schools, to be able to learn about Te Tiriti o Waitangi in our kura, to learn about Te Tiriti o Waitangi, the Land Wars, and all those other sorts of things.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EI don\u2019t know\u2014and I\u2019m going to show my age here. I don\u2019t know about other members around the\u2014maybe I\u2019m not going to show my age; maybe we\u2019re all age adjacent. But when I was at kura and at school as well, we didn\u2019t learn about any of this stuff. I learnt about Canada for whatever reason in fourth form, but here we have incredible, important history. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EI would encourage the Government MPs and the Government in general to actually really think about the changes that have been made in the education sector, because this is important stuff. This history that has been heard by the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee should be something that we should all be aware of. It helps our tamariki in terms of their identity to understand the history and the k\u014Drero of the whenua that they walk on as well, so that is incredibly important.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EThe settlement package for this Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua settlement includes a Crown apology and redress\u2014we usually have that\u2014and statutory pardons for two Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua t\u016Bpuna. Those were the two t\u016Bpuna that I was talking about earlier. I know that will be so incredibly important for their wh\u0101nau in particular. So this is an important point and I\u2019m glad that that\u2019s in there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EWe have cultural redress and commercial and financial redress to the tune of $19\u00A0million. I think when we were talking in the previous bills\u2014this is just a small amount, but I do want to acknowledge the work of the committee but also the patience of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua in accepting, really, a minuscule and small amount in terms of the total financial amount that they lost because of the Land Wars, because of their participation at Parihaka, the unjust imprisoning of their tupuna, and killing of their t\u016Bpuna as well. But I would say that our Te Tiriti and te tuakana, He Whakaputanga, these are ongoing relationships. These are good things for our country, good things for our tamariki, and good things for our Parliament, and it is just the beginning. So I would encourage Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, kia kaha. M\u014Dhio pai m\u0101tou, ng\u0101 K\u0101k\u0101riki, ehara \u0113nei tukanga i te tukanga m\u0101m\u0101, te tukanga ng\u0101wari. Ko \u0113nei t\u016Bkanga a te P\u0101remata m\u014D te whakatau ker\u0113me he uaua, he whakawehewehe wh\u0101nau, he whakawehewehe hap\u016B.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EHeoi an\u014D ko te manako nui o te P\u0101ti K\u0101k\u0101riki kia kawe an\u014D te waka i runga i ng\u0101 pukepuke o te moana kia tau an\u014D ki t\u014Dna tauranga. He t\u012Bmatanga noa iho t\u0113nei\u2014he t\u012Bmatanga noa iho t\u0113nei m\u014D Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, m\u014D \u014D koutou nei ara anamata, otir\u0101 m\u014D \u014D koutou tamariki mokopuna.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira k\u0101re e hiahia ki te t\u014D roa i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero kei mutu t\u0113nei i mua i te kotahi karaka. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou e te Whare.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003E[So I would encourage Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, be strong. We, the Greens, are well aware that these processes are not easy processes or simple processes. These processes of Parliament for claims settlement are difficult, they divide families, they divide hap\u016B.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a5921c9f295441b0ba570475a71a860e\u0022\u003EHowever, the great hope of the Green Party is that the waka is conveyed on the high seas and arrives at its destination. This is merely a beginning\u2014this is merely a beginning for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, for your future pathways, indeed for your children and grandchildren. And so, I don\u2019t want to prolong the debate in case it ends before 1 o\u2019clock. Greetings to the House.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022 data-id=\u0022df6e88442df947e8b9b341f1de794bec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022df6e88442df947e8b9b341f1de794bec\u0022\u003ECAMERON LUXTON (ACT):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise to speak on the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill, and, like other speakers so far in this second reading, where the usual custom is to talk about what happened at select committee, I also was not on the select committee. However, I have read this bill a couple of times and gone through it. The history is, as my colleague Teanau Tuiono has described, important to learn.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003EReading through the raupatu of the 1800s, there\u2019s a list: individualised land titles; forced removal of land; Crown purchase from others\u2014it\u2019s painful to read through\u2014Native Land Court underpayment for land; promises from Crown to enable infrastructure not fulfilled; misuse of the Public Works Act; coming into the 1900s, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua left out of the Tongariro National Park establishment without consultation and not having any part of the management; waterways used for power, for electricity for our country to grow and establish, created without consultation; scenic reserves and hydro developments in the Whanganui National Park without consultation; and the Taumarunui Native Township establishment without proper consultation. It\u2019s painful to read, but it\u2019s in this bill, and it\u2019s our history of this country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002281a465eb20294645bc63efa635c80cbf\u0022\u003EWe have talked about more pain, the fighting, the figures, the court-martials, Te Rangi\u0101tea, M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu. Reading these stories is painful. The five t\u016Bpuna were exiled to a foreign land and mistreated. Parihaka stories, with Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2019s support, and people there\u2014so much fighting and so much wrong, so much struggle. A Government should protect its people, and the Crown did not in this case that the House is talking about this morning, and that is repeated so many times throughout our history. This is something that I was, when I read\u2014whatever emotion or word you want to put to how I felt when I was reading it. I didn\u2019t get to go to the select committee and hear it all, but I\u2019m glad that the House, by the sounds of it\u2014and I\u2019m sure\u2014will unanimously support this bill, as is right to do. I commend it to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022 data-id=\u0022fca77b6ccf164cbaa7bad49242663650\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fca77b6ccf164cbaa7bad49242663650\u0022\u003EJENNY MARCROFT (NZ First):\u003C/span\u003E E te P\u012Bka, t\u0113n\u0101 koe. E te iwi o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. E t\u016B ana ahau, he uri no Tai Tokerau, ki te mihi atu ki a koutou. Ka nui aku mihi maioha ki a koutou. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. Ka mihi hoki ahau ki a t\u0101tou katoa kua huihui mai nei ki te tautoko i te kaupapa o te rangi nei. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003E[Madam Speaker, thank you. To the people of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, greetings to you all. I stand, a descendant from Northland, to acknowledge you. Many kind regards to you. Greetings and thanks to you all. I would also like to acknowledge all of us gathered here to support the matter of the day. Greetings and thanks to us all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EI\u2019m pleased to rise on behalf of New Zealand First in support of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill. Today marks a significant step forward for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, a journey that has involved many years in negotiation and discussions and now has had a little bit of time at the select committee. I\u2019d like to acknowledge the hard-working M\u0101ori Affairs Committee. As our colleague from the Green Party who spoke noted, the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee is a really collaborative committee, and he put that down to a little bit of kai. That sort of brings people together, certainly, but I think the weight of these particular settlement bills enables the House to come together in a way that is quite unusual for us. I think it\u2019s important that we are able to put down our political stripes and come together for a purpose that is greater than us individually.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EWhen Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua began their settlement journey, they traversed the rohe and their people voted 97 percent in favour of Te Pua o Te Riri Kore and the establishment of the post-settlement governance entity. This settlement contains a redress package that returns culturally significant sites. There\u2019s a cultural revitalisation fund, financial redress, and statutory pardons, and it\u2019s those pardons that I would like to speak to, particularly, today: the pardon for the two Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua ancestors, M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu and Te Rangi\u0101tea. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EThey were arrested, tried under martial law, and convicted for partaking in a rebellion against the Crown. Te Whareaitu was sentenced to death by hanging and Te Rangi\u0101tea died in imprisonment mere weeks after being sentenced. Still to this day their bodies have not been found. This legislation not only pardons them but it recognises their character, their mana, and their reputation. At the same time, five others were exiled to Australia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EMinister Paul Goldsmith formally delivered the Crown apology to Te Rangi\u0101tea at the signing of the deed of settlement in March, and at that ceremony he spoke of the statutory pardons for the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua t\u016Bpuna: M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu and Te Rangi\u0101tea. I think it was a really important process that was undertaken at the signing of the deed, and we continue through that process today. He said that the bill will enact long overdue statutory pardons for these Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua t\u016Bpuna, who were treated so harshly by the Crown, and we should not forget that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EThis has been a 179-year fight since 1846. Doing a little bit of research for this contribution that I\u2019m making today, I listened to a recorded interview from the chair of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Iwi Trust, Graham Bell, where he talks about the Crown breaches. He talked about \u201Csettler first\u201D and hunger for the land and also the fact that Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua have had to carry the burden of what happened to their rangatira. They were imprisoned and taken away from their people, and he acknowledged the strength of the negotiators to actually have that pardon included in their settlement. It is vindication and validation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just briefly like to talk about the rohe that encompasses the upper W\u2019anganui River, stretching from the slopes of Mt Ruapehu to the townships of Taumarunui, \u014Cwhango, and National Park as well, and my connection to Mt Ruapehu. In the 1950s, my father, the late Lyndon Marcroft, was a member of the Rotorua Tramping and Skiing Club. They founded that club and they built a hut on the side of the maunga. It\u2019s where he proposed to my mother, so I have fond memories. And actually in the 1950s, there weren\u2019t many M\u0101oris on the mountain. So it was great that we were up there skiing. It wasn\u2019t until a number of years later that Simon Wi Rutene became quite a well-known skier staying in our hut.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002296e2b39ada204513974da2706fe77f9d\u0022\u003EMy colleague the Hon Shane Jones, Matua Shane, spoke in the first reading. I\u2019d just like to reiterate his words briefly that he noted\u2014a mihi to the current leaders, to the community of Taumarunui. It is a place to shelter and he hopes that this settlement represents a piringa, a place to shelter, in times of adversity in the future. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022 data-id=\u0022b45ecd14090746daa805871486599fa6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b45ecd14090746daa805871486599fa6\u0022\u003EDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori):\u003C/span\u003E E Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, e ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau me ng\u0101 hap\u016B o te rohe o Ruapehu ki Te Awa Tupua, t\u0113nei te mihi aroha ki a koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003E[Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, the families and hap\u016B of the area of Ruapehu to the Whanganui River, I hereby compassionately acknowledge you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s an honour to be standing on behalf of Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori and noting the day, Parihaka day, of te p\u0101huatanga, when 144 years ago the Crown stormed a place of peace and interrupted the natural development of wh\u0101nau, and it is not without note that today we have the generosity of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua here today to reclaim and restore what the Crown should never have done to it in the first place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003ESettlements are unsettling. They are actually some of the worst experiences that wh\u0101nau, hap\u016B, and iwi can go through. The cruelty of them is that we must enter into them but we are also told and dictated what to do through a process that is anything but hap\u016B, wh\u0101nau, or iwi friendly. I mihi to all of those who have had to front this, and I also acknowledge the courage and endurance of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003ETe Pua o te Riri Kore\u2014the blossom, the flower, of peace is again a show of the aroha that this iwi has for us as a nation. It is also not lost on us the generations of opportunities, the generation of growth and contribution that could have happened to this nation had our natural development not been interfered with.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003EWe come into this with humility and noticing that Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua have indeed decided to facilitate and imagine themselves away from colonisation, and it is not about justice that\u2019s being delivered. It is actually about their love for all of us in this nation, to progress and find a way forward.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003ESettlements are capped. They\u2019re barely 1 percent of everything that has been lost, and when rules have been predetermined and boundaries predetermined, it is really important that the nation feels the love of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua for us all today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003EI also stand in acknowledgment for the tupuna M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu and te Rangi\u0101tea. I am related to Tini Te Whareaitu and the Tamaka wh\u0101nau, who my kuia was, and I hope this goes some way towards lifting the trauma of what the wh\u0101nau and the hap\u016B and the iwi have had to endure. The return of w\u0101hi tapu is not about hectares. We acknowledge this is about w\u2019akapapa and wairua and restoration and reclamation, and we hope\u2014we sincerely hope\u2014that that restoration desired happens. We know that the dollars for cultural revitalisation and redress will never erase the past but we hope that Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua will be able to rebuild and reclaim and restore and revitalise their language, their tikanga, their kaitiakitanga, their education for their mokopuna, because that is what this is all about. It is our hope for the establishment of Te T\u0101tairango o te Karauna [Crown Relationships Redress], that those 14 partnerships put you back to the position that you should have been, where the Treaty is honoured and the partnership with these agencies goes the way you need it to, and the true weight of the settlement that carries both grief and hope is able to be carried through so that the dreams of our ancestors who dreamed for their mokopuna\u2019s freedom happens.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003EFor Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori, these settlements are not the end of history. They are the beginning of transformation, and we acknowledge everything that you aspire to do. Reconciliation when led by iwi becomes an act of reclamation, the re-weaving of w\u2019akapapa between people and place, between past and future, and it is our true hope that you are able to progress, not only carry the weight of what\u2019s happened but also carry the hope of your future aspirations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002240e5649619404f2c80ddb4dd8ea03662\u0022\u003EThese settlements are a reminder not only of our struggle for justice\u2014that will be continuously ongoing\u2014but that mana motuhake is not negotiated; mana motuhake is lived. M\u0101 te tika, m\u0101 te pono, ka t\u016B te mana Motuhake\u2014through truth and integrity our self-determination will stand. N\u0101 reira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 t\u0101tou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022 data-id=\u002205a82443e4cb4044b3e095e63d27f1c0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205a82443e4cb4044b3e095e63d27f1c0\u0022\u003EKAHURANGI CARTER (Green):\u003C/span\u003E Ko te kupu te kupu, ko te Atua te atua, ko Ranginui ki runga, ko Papat\u016B\u0101nuku ki raro, ka mate ai te tangata. Ka p\u014D, ka ao, ka awatea. Mauri ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022\u003E[The word is gospel, God is god, Ranginui above and Papat\u016B\u0101nuku below, and humanity is mortal. From the darkness dawns a new day. Health and vitality to all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022\u003EThe Greens strongly support the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill at its second reading and we again acknowledge Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua who are in the gallery here today. I\u2019ve moved over here so that I could see you a little bit better. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022\u003EAt the first reading, members of the House reflected on the scale and the relentlessness of what was done to Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. Today, after the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee consideration, that historical account, the Crown apology, and the intent to restore and respect mana remain at the heart of what we are doing here, the Green Party continues our long-held position that these settlements are not full and final. Te Tiriti was never something to settle, but something to uphold and honour. We also recognise that this deed is what Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua iwi members have themselves agreed to: over 96 percent of valid votes. That matters because our job in this place is not to impose what we think justice looks like for tangata whenua but to follow the directions and decisions of iwi themselves.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022\u003EAt select committee we heard from Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua and, again, from those who hold whakapapa and connection to this beautiful whenua. The k\u014Drero was clear and the processes that led to the settlement were not rushed. They were long, they were hard. They were carried by iwi over many, many years in good faith and with so much patience. We heard concerns from sub-submitters who felt that they had not been represented or heard in the mandating process, and we also heard from Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Iwi Trust and from officials who confirmed that the mandating and ratification processes were thorough. We advised that this dispute resolution took place as it should: k\u014Drero kanohi ki te kanohi [face to face]. We were advised that overlapping interests were worked through and we were advised that iwi themselves are confident in this pathway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022\u003ESo when we say that, through this bill, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua has chosen this settlement, we are not speaking on guesswork. We are speaking to the reality that over 96 percent of valid iwi votes supported this, and that is clarity. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022\u003EWe have to keep naming the truth. The historical account records that Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua suffered the forced taking of land for the main trunk line, the forced taking of land for dams, the establishment of Tongariro National Park without consultation, the destruction of property at Parihaka, the use of the Public Works Act to dispossess, and the stigmas and legal labels imposed on t\u016Bpuna as rebels and targets to be controlled, punished, erased.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022\u003EThe consequences of those acts were poverty, low educational outcomes, poor housing, dispersal of people from their k\u0101inga and from their whenua, erosion of te reo and cultural practices, and the dismantling of an economic base that is essential to rangatiratanga. These were not accidents; they were deliberate choices. So it is right that this Parliament now makes choices to put some things right, including respecting the mana of Te Rangi\u0101tea and M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu through pardons, in this bill. I know that means a lot to wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022ba79c9cbab554c389a55314c7574ad07\u0022\u003ENo one should pretend that property transfers or rights of first refusal or statutory acknowledgment restore what was taken, but they can return some land, they can return naming, they can return recognition, and they can return authority over riverbeds to correct guardians. That is why the Greens support this bill in the spirit of restoration and with clarity that Te Tiriti is ongoing and active. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea654444cd044095a9bea9b47c4ccdf5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea654444cd044095a9bea9b47c4ccdf5\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui):\u003C/span\u003E E ng\u0101 mana, e ng\u0101 reo, e ng\u0101 rangatira, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. It is a privilege to stand in this House and speak to the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill. As the member for Whanganui, which will soon include the communities on the outskirts of Taumarunui, as well as \u014Cwhango and Waimarino\u2014all part of the rohe connected to the settlement claim\u2014I look forward to deepening my engagement with Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, alongside Barbara Kuriger and Suze Redmayne as local members of Parliament, as this settlement translates into reality for you here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003EToday\u2019s bill is a recognition of history, a restoration of mana, and a step to a future built on partnership. As highlighted in the Whanganui Chronicle, this settlement marks the beginning of a new chapter for Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, one that will see the return of lands, the restoration of dignity, and the empowerment of future generations. The Chronicle\u2019s coverage reminds me that the sites covered as part of the settlement bill are a taonga woven into the identity of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua and our wider region.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003EDuring the first reading I reflected on the significance of the statutory pardons for t\u016Bpuna Te Rangi\u0101tea and M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu. Their stories and those of many others across New Zealand are a reminder of the fragile foundations on which our justice system was built. I mentioned that I\u2019d read Fragile Foundations\u2014The Application of English Criminal Law to Crimes Committed in \u2026 New Zealand between 1826 and 1907. It spoke of the challenges and the injustices faced by M\u0101ori under British law; how the application of foreign legal principles led to convictions, confiscations and the erosion of mana. The story of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua t\u016Bpuna is one of several in that book.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003EToday, through this bill, we continue to address those injustices and try to restore what was lost. This settlement recognises Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2019s role as kaitiaki and enabling your iwi to thrive. As I said in my maiden speech, the story of Taranaki Maunga and its journey down the Whanganui awa is one that I learnt as a child, never imagining how often I would refer to it in this House. Each settlement in our rohe breathes life into our awa, and I hope that through this bill, all people who live by our river can look forward to the opportunities that the post-settlement entity will provide.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003EI want to acknowledge the hard work and determination of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua: those present today, those watching from afar, and those who have passed before us. Your commitment to justice and to reconciliation has brought us to this moment. I also acknowledge the Crown negotiators, Ministers past and present, and all those who\u2019ve worked to progress the settlement.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022213cb30b7980463cb4430596b6ffa295\u0022\u003EThis bill is a testament to the resilience shown by Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. It is a reminder that our work is not yet done. We must continue to build relationships based on respect and on trust, and to ensure that the mistakes of the past are never repeated. My hope is that, as we move forward, there will be fewer tears in our awa and more opportunities for all who call our rohe home. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b6c340598b2b4f3a8fca502e31805586\u0022 data-id=\u0022b695f31df9814786ac8a0774296dd2a9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b6c340598b2b4f3a8fca502e31805586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b695f31df9814786ac8a0774296dd2a9\u0022\u003ERt Hon ADRIAN RURAWHE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare, otir\u0101 ki a koutou, ng\u0101 wh\u0101nau me ng\u0101 hap\u016B katoa o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, t\u0113nei au e tuku mihi atu ki a koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b6c340598b2b4f3a8fca502e31805586\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker; indeed, to you, all the families and hap\u016B of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, I hereby acknowledge you, greetings to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b6c340598b2b4f3a8fca502e31805586\u0022\u003EIt would be remiss of me not to mention the recent passing of Paora Haitana and his close relationship to Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. Uncle Baldy, as he was affectionately known, was at every kaupapa, and I wouldn\u2019t be surprised that he would be here today in spirit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b6c340598b2b4f3a8fca502e31805586\u0022\u003EI am on the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, and I got to listen to all of the submitters. I think we gave a fair hearing to all of those who made submissions\u2014and there were quite a few. I think, to be fair, the time we called for submissions was the same time that another bill, which has been discussed in this House, also had submissions called for. I suspect it got caught up with that bill, and I say that because there were a number of those submissions you\u2019d swear were talking about a different bill altogether. However, they got a fair hearing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b6c340598b2b4f3a8fca502e31805586\u0022\u003EIt was really important that the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee heard from those\u2014particularly those who were against the bill and the settlement\u2014but, afterwards, I\u2019d have to say that we were satisfied that what we heard from the negotiators from the trust addressed all of those issues. I point in particular to Whakapapa Island and the different stories that we heard around that. There were complaints about not being consulted, about not being heard. I did enjoy one of the submitters, who basically said to us, when asked about consultation\u2014he\u2019s a rangatahi, as well\u2014\u201CWell, you have to want to be consulted with to be consulted.\u201D, or words to that effect. We found that everyone had had a fair opportunity to have their say on this settlement, and, suffice to say, we also heard from the trust telling us that there had been an agreement with Ng\u0101ti T\u016Bwharetoa over Whakapapa Island. If members read the select committee report, you will see exactly that spelt out in that report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b6c340598b2b4f3a8fca502e31805586\u0022\u003EI\u2019m looking at the clock. I could talk for a lot longer, but I\u2019m going to truncate my contribution. I expect to have a 10-minute call in the third reading, but I\u2019d really like to see the second reading pass before lunchtime today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b6c340598b2b4f3a8fca502e31805586\u0022\u003EN\u014D reira ka nui te mihi ake ki a koutou, aku whanaunga, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b6c340598b2b4f3a8fca502e31805586\u0022\u003E[Therefore, huge congratulations to you, my relatives, thanks to you all.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022 data-id=\u002207916a778a634f9fa40207887c4c46fa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002207916a778a634f9fa40207887c4c46fa\u0022\u003ESUZE REDMAYNE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. E ng\u0101 mana whenua, e Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa. It\u2019s an honour to speak to the second reading of the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill, and I mean that with all of my heart. When I became a member of Parliament, I never thought one of my greatest privileges, my greatest joys, would be speaking in the House on days like today and having the opportunity to speak on Treaty settlement bills. It\u2019s truly an honour. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022\u003EThe Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill gives effect to Te Pua o Te Riri Kore, the flower of peace, the deed of settlement between the Crown and Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, signed in March this year at Ng\u0101puwaiwaha Marae in Taumarunui on a stunning day in the northern reaches of the mighty Rangit\u012Bkei. I was there with my colleagues Ministers Paul Goldsmith and Tama Potaka. We heard heartfelt k\u014Drero from Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua\u2019s Graham \u201CTinka\u201D Bell. He told us on that day, \u201CFinally, our story can be heard, and the Crown now acknowledges the injustices that were inflicted on Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022\u003EFinancial redress is important, but it\u2019s not everything. There is so much more. Through this process, injustices are acknowledged, like the people of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua being pushed out of Heretaunga, like the execution of your tupuna M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu in 1846\u2014\u201Cwhen the ink was barely dry\u201D, as Tinka says, on the Treaty of Waitangi\u2014and the incarceration and subsequent death in custody of Te Rangi\u0101tea. Importantly, this settlement includes statutory pardons for your t\u016Bpuna, whose fates have carried great pain across generations. Their names and their mana are now formally restored.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022\u003EThrough this process, stories are told, and history is acknowledged, like the poisoning of flour which forced your people to resort to eating things like the mamaku tree to sustain yourselves. In Tinka\u2019s words, \u201CThat k\u014Drero has been passed down to us for generations, so we feel a sense of validation to have those things recognised in our deed.\u201D While no settlement can truly compensate for what was lost, this bill lays the foundation for partnership, one grounded in respect, cooperation, and mutual trust.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022\u003ETo the trustees and negotiators and those of you that are here, especially today, thank you. To all those who carried this kaupapa long before\u2014Eugene Torpine, Archie Taiaroa, Kevin and Flo Amohia, Ngaire Etana, and so many others\u2014your legacy is with us, especially today. To Minister Goldsmith, thank you for the dedication and care shown throughout this process. Finally, to the select committee members who have shepherded this bill\u2014especially my colleagues David, Dana, Rima and Greg\u2014thank you for your hard work. I know you share my sentiments. It is a great privilege as an MP, especially for you as members of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee, to be part of this process, to hear the stories, share the history, and play your part in helping to shape the future.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002266d6872f24ce4f77ba5ac75f0fc62c76\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti H\u0101ua, the name of your post-settlement governance entity, Te Whiringa K\u0101kaho o Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, captures the essence of this settlement. It draws from the proverb \u201CWhiria nga k\u0101kaho, e kore e whati\u201D\u2014weave together the k\u0101kaho reeds; they become unbreakable. The story of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua is one of strength through unity, the strands of whakapapa, tikanga, and wh\u0101nau woven tightly together through challenge and change. Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua, the people of Te K\u0101hui Maunga ki Tangaroa\u2014from the mountains to the sea. May this settlement empower you to continue writing your story on your own terms, strong in identity, secure in your whenua, and confident in your rangatiratanga. T\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou, t\u0113n\u0101 koutou katoa.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022 data-id=\u0022e6e86424ec084dde95ef2f49e83bd80e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e6e86424ec084dde95ef2f49e83bd80e\u0022\u003EHon PEENI HENARE (Labour):\u003C/span\u003E T\u0113n\u0101 koe e te M\u0101ngai o te Whare. K\u0101ti, ka tautoko atu ahau i ng\u0101 kupu whakatau, i ng\u0101 kupu whakamiha ki runga i a koutou, e Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. Ko koutou kei te whiore o ng\u0101 mahi i te ata nei. I t\u012Bmata mai ki roto i a Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu ki runga i te maunga o Te Aroha, an\u0101 i te rohe o Hauraki, tat\u016B atu r\u0101 ki a Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, an\u0101 ka mutu i a koutou i te ata nei. T\u0113nei ka mihi, t\u0113nei ka tangi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ET\u0113nei ka tangi ki ng\u0101 aitu\u0101 kua k\u014Drerohia nei e te Whare. E tika ana kia whakairihia ake ki runga i te t\u0101huhu k\u014Drero o t\u014D t\u0101tou Whare kia pai ai te haerenga whakamutunga o t\u0113nei pire ki t\u014Dna p\u0101nuitanga tuatoru \u0101 taihoa ake nei.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E[Thank you, Madam Speaker. Well, I support the words of welcome and greeting offered to you, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. You are at the tail end of the activities this morning. We began with Ng\u0101ti R\u0101hiri Tumutumu on Te Aroha mountain, in the Hauraki region, and with Ng\u0101ti P\u0101oa, and we end with you this morning. I acknowledge you, and I grieve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EI grieve for the dearly departed that have been mentioned by this House. It is appropriate to elevate them to the apex of discourse of this House so that this bill may take its final journey to its third reading soon.]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003ENg\u0101ti H\u0101ua, I was interested as I read your legislation and wondered why I didn\u2019t speak on it in the first reading. I must have been away that day. I generally speak on most of these bills, and as I read your bill, it brought back a lot of memories. As a child, only twice I ever attended an Anzac Day service with my grandfather, the late Sir James H\u0113nare, and both of those occasions were in Taumarunui. He would always go to Taumarunui to remember his comrades of the 28th Battalion and those who served alongside him in the world war. In fact, as far as I knew, up until recent times at least, his picture would hang in the RSA whare in Taumarunui. I always asked him why we go to Taumarunui for Anzac Day, given he\u2019s a proud Ng\u0101puhi man and commander of A Company and then, ultimately, the battalion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EHe would talk regularly about his comrades, the likes of H\u014Dri King and others who he remembered fondly and served with during the world war. Then he would go on to talk about the history and the connection. He\u2019d talk about Te Rangi\u0101tea, who is here mentioned in the bill for his wrongful conviction, and he also spoke about M\u0101tene Ruta Te Whareaitu. The connection he would continue to make with us, as young people from Ng\u0101puhi, was that it was well known that, during the time that these two gentlemen were, sadly, locked up unjustly by the Crown, it was our tupuna P\u014Dmare who actually made his way down and came across Te Rangi\u0101tea in particular. He would talk about the injustice that befell these two men from the Crown and also how P\u014Dmare would look after those who found themselves incarcerated. In fact, if you look across much of the history that we\u2019ve spoken about in tribal settlements in this House, we know P\u014Dmare came here and was close with Te Rangihaeata, and there are plenty of other instances where he would take food\u2014and, in particular, Ng\u0101puhi chiefs would take food\u2014to the many prisoners who were held unjustly in places like Mount Eden and Wellington and Dunedin and many other places around the country.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EIt was because of those deeds of our ancestors that we would go to Taumarunui, of all places. When I look up into the gallery and I read the bill and I think about the importance of Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua and the work that they\u2019ve done to bring themselves this far in this bill, I can\u2019t help but remember him and say thank you to you all. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EBecause this has been such a long morning, I want to finish by saying kia \u016Bngutungutu i ng\u0101 \u014D ngotongoto, kia titia r\u0101 ko te r\u0101kau ki roto, ka whakairohia he taiaha\u2014let us bring together the embers of a hot fire, let us put a r\u0101kau [wooden stave] into the fire so that it may harden and we can carve a taiaha. Whiua ki te rangi, whiua ki te whenua\u2014cast it to the sky, and cast it to the earth. Whakairihia ake r\u0101 ki runga i te t\u0101huhu k\u014Drero o t\u0113nei Whare\u2014then we lay it to the talking ridgepole of this House. Kia t\u012Bkina atu r\u0101 hei te whakatutukitanga o t\u0113nei pire\u2014we will grab it again during the third reading of this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003EWhano, whano, haere mai te toki. Haumi e, hui e, t\u0101iki e.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022333cbe863aa64ae7816c10ddcdfe265e\u0022\u003E[Advance, progress, the leadership approaches. It is joined, it coalesces, it is bound.] \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022 data-id=\u0022d642fbefbb374fcb995fc0a6595174cc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d642fbefbb374fcb995fc0a6595174cc\u0022\u003ERIMA NAKHLE (National\u2014Takanini):\u003C/span\u003E Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise as the final k\u014Drero that\u2019s going to be given in the second reading of this settlement bill that we\u2019re considering today, the Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua Claims Settlement Bill. I\u2019d like to acknowledge those guests in the gallery from Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua that are here with us today. Thank you for travelling here and thank you also for the manaakitanga that you showed us when we were on your lands. It\u2019s an experience I will never forget, particularly when we went and visited what some would call the Cherry Grove and where you so diligently, Mr Willie Jackson, explained and described what it would have been like back in the day with all the different waka joining there. That\u2019s something that\u2019s tattooed in my memory.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s also tattooed in my memory is that, yes, we did traverse different opinions when it came to the submissions, but something that stood out in a way that it hasn\u2019t stood out to me before was when it came to the dissenting views or the different opinions. They were conveyed and packaged in love, and they were given in a way that it was almost like there was a pain in expressing the difference of opinion because they were underpinned with aroha, with love. At the end of the day, you\u2019re all cousins, and that\u2019s something that I walked away from that submission hearing thinking, \u201CMy goodness, the way that your cousins and you to each other\u201D\u2014to the guests in the gallery, Madam Speaker, and those at the submission hearing\u2014\u201Cjust were able to convey these differences of opinion.\u201D As I said, it was packaged in the right way, packaged with love, and always remembering the underlying threads that bound you all together. And that\u2019s your blood.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EI too would like to acknowledge that today we are trying\u2014as much as I have a lot to say, and I was up to 1.30 in my office writing notes, because this is very important. I am going to maybe cut to the chase because I want us to complete, as well, the second reading before lunchtime so that none of you have to remain longer than necessary in our Whare here in Wellington. I want to, before I end, add on to what Minister Goldsmith said when he said it was the best music I have ever heard at the signing ceremony. Well, one of the groups on my Spotify favourites list is Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua. Now, it seems to be the same logo. I don\u2019t know if it\u2019s associated with you, but it\u2019s absolutely beautiful, particularly the song K\u012Bngi T\u016Bheitia. May he rest in peace.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll end with a quote said by Wade Phillips at the submission hearing, and this quote is interesting because I feel it encapsulates what we are trying to achieve on a general level when it comes to settlement bills. Mr Phillips said, \u201CThough our iwi sought peace, we were met with war. Though we sought to engage, we were manipulated. \u2026 The consequences of these injustices are still deeply felt today: social and economic deprivation, cultural dislocation, and the loss of tino rangatiratanga. Yet through all this, Ng\u0101ti H\u0101ua has endured. We have held fast to our identity, our m\u0101tauranga, and our aspirations. The settlement \u2026 is a symbol of our endurance and a step towards justice. We cannot undo the past, but we can begin to restore balance.\u201D I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc18fca1517544d48a85a448eabd4308\u0022\u003EBill read a second time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022 data-id=\u0022b6b1985c86a3424485011b28d6e8e1d2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b6b1985c86a3424485011b28d6e8e1d2\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This bill is set down for committee stage next sitting day, and the House now stands adjourned until 2 p.m. today. I\u2019m not sure if our guests came prepared with a waiata, I don\u2019t have it on here, but as the House is adjourned, it\u2019s entirely up to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EWaiata\u2014\u201CRuapehu te maunga\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id2025110441f6b1f5c1a54c0fafe09c2a6f9a6ea2000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b05298d233114114a3080f0d123f4b7c\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 12.56 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"