"\u003C!DOCTYPE html\u003E\u003Chtml xmlns:xlink=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink\u0022 xmlns:xsi=\u0022http://www.w3.org/2007/XMLSchema-instance\u0022 xmlns:mml=\u0022http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML\u0022\u003E\n  \u003Chead\u003E\n    \u003CMETA http-equiv=\u0022Content-Type\u0022 content=\u0022text/html; charset=utf-16\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cmeta name=\u0022viewport\u0022 content=\u0022width=device-width, initial-scale=1\u0022\u003E\n  \u003C/head\u003E\n  \u003Cbody style=\u0022font-family:sans-serif; font-size:100%;\u0022\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000000\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022da7e4d246a701b5e91e125abfa1d152d\u0022\u003ETuesday, 19 May 2026\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EThe Speaker\u003C/span\u003E took the Chair at 2 p.m.\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221b35559edf71516584b3d2a354532658\u0022\u003EStart of Sitting Day\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a752fa7a36c8edd0245b64658a3b253d\u0022\u003EKarakia/Prayers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u002247f8051ff92865cc85afa1d7b320c731\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002247f8051ff92865cc85afa1d7b320c731\u0022\u003EMAUREEN PUGH (Assistant Speaker) (14:00)\u003C/span\u003E: Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on us. Laying aside all personal interests, we acknowledge the King and pray for guidance in our deliberations that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom, justice, mercy, and humility for the welfare and the peace of New Zealand. Amen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00224cdb013705b097a080add525e3175cfd\u0022\u003EObituaries\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002260b644473e123a842868cd08b9e615fb\u0022\u003ERt Hon Sir Kenneth Keith ONZ KBE PC KC\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022 data-id=\u0022844faaf25064a90c603a018b2407c4ca\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022844faaf25064a90c603a018b2407c4ca\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Minister of Housing) (14:01)\u003C/span\u003E: I seek leave to move a motion without notice or debate to acknowledge the death of the Rt Hon Sir Kenneth Keith ONZ KBE PC KC.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002237989a83d6abb6e6f82f3cfa4d401d18\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Is there any objection to that course of action being followed? There is none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227bb745be9a94a1f2619ee3503d058fef\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That this House express its sympathy and condolences to the family of the Rt Hon Sir Kenneth Keith ONZ KBE PC KC, who passed on 13\u00A0May\u00A02026, and acknowledge his immense contribution to New Zealand law, international law, legal education, and law reform.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220f1038ca3ac1b58671f1d2ca7e0e93e8\u0022\u003EPresentation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00224b54368f97b1c05b624c388ca570ccd8\u0022\u003EPapers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022 data-id=\u0022b91a16d096cb33e52d83b5e79d65c334\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b91a16d096cb33e52d83b5e79d65c334\u0022\u003ESPEAKER (14:01)\u003C/span\u003E: No petitions have been delivered for presentation. A paper has been delivered for presentation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b51bd092b70ae2206fb1223d82210e9\u0022\u003ECLERK (14:02): \u003C/span\u003EGovernment response to the report of the M\u0101ori Affairs Committee on how well public organisations are supporting Wh\u0101nau Ora.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a73f7650d54b1a3344f5eb415f7e9207\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That paper is published under the authority of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022491a6add76c357dca79702a0762bfd40\u0022\u003ESelect Committee Reports\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022 data-id=\u0022506d11006fe45d5bd9d88b71150bb632\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022506d11006fe45d5bd9d88b71150bb632\u0022\u003ESPEAKER (14:02)\u003C/span\u003E: Seven select committee reports have been presented.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ff903d1b52bb2eb7ac01df503605afee\u0022\u003ECLERK (14:02): \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp 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Review Committee on the: \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItemSL2\u0022\u003Ebriefing on parliamentary scrutiny of confirmable instruments\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItemSL2\u0022\u003Ebriefing on the confirmation of land transport revenue instruments under the Land Transport Act 1998 and the Land Transport Management Act 2003\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItemSL2\u0022\u003Enotice of motion to approve the Regulatory Standards (Excluded Legislation) Notice 2026.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItemSL1\u0022\u003EReport of the Transport and Infrastructure Committee on the Land Transport (Revenue) Amendment 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id=\u002250eeb1f9e2ef000df272781f5d9e3aab\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Those bills are set down for first reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b83791e0391783962bc0e92ef0f5c8d7\u0022\u003EDebates\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00223924fb8098b20d488ac35d74c0ec1aa1\u0022\u003EMinisterial Announcement\u2014Public Service Cuts\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229f56bcc0f3065f52324a604086c33ab3\u0022\u003EUrgent Debate Declined\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022 data-id=\u0022263804ac9388c146221ad687a10d997f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022263804ac9388c146221ad687a10d997f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER (14:03)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, I\u2019ve received a letter from Camilla Belich seeking to debate under Standing Order 399 the announcement that the Government has set a target to cut Public Service roles. This is a particular case of recent occurrence for which there is ministerial responsibility. The business of the House should not be set aside just because a ministerial announcement has been made, even though it may be important. There must be an element of urgency that the matter must take precedence over other business. I refer members to Speakers\u2019 rulings Harrison, Carter, and Wilson, ruling 224/4. In this instance, the announced changes will take some time to implement, and forecast savings generated by them will be subject to debate in the Budget process which commences next week. The application is declined.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221b119a0280c98fa0e877140936899f6d\u0022\u003EOral Questions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022fca9e7ad407c52f8e0f4ddc41d7591c2\u0022\u003EFinance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f5dd6901a3666f868ded1c00a567e1c0\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 1\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022784f4e929aed4ea6a05d1a10add6eccb\u0022 data-id=\u0022c668753280b9e4feeab0d2e1ef6e8ada\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022784f4e929aed4ea6a05d1a10add6eccb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c668753280b9e4feeab0d2e1ef6e8ada\u0022\u003ERYAN HAMILTON (National\u2014Hamilton East) (14:04)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister of Finance\u003C/span\u003E: What recent announcements has she made about delivering better value for money?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022 data-id=\u0022ee1404f7313da45fa15df5efbccfaa44\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ee1404f7313da45fa15df5efbccfaa44\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Associate Minister of Finance) (14:04)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister of Finance\u003C/span\u003E: Today, the Government announced, as part of the Budget, we\u2019re embarking on a fundamental overhaul of the Public Service to lift productivity and deliver better service and value for taxpayers. There are three objectives for this work: (1) streamlining the number of Government agencies and entities; (2) increasing the Government use of AI and other digital tools; and (3) getting public servant numbers back in step with historic norms, with a focus on hiring and retaining talent. To drive progress and ensure agencies actively seek efficiencies and better ways of working, the Government is putting a sinking lid on their operating budgets. Our expectation is the Public Service adopts efficiencies and finds better ways of working. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022784f4e929aed4ea6a05d1a10add6eccb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f76682f050392edc7f081e494410f735\u0022\u003ERyan Hamilton\u003C/span\u003E: What savings, if any, will these changes deliver?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa27f33440dd937d87335b65bdc2b055\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, over the next four years, these initiatives will deliver savings of $2.4 billion, which will be redeployed to deliver more health services, lift education outcomes, build job-rich public infrastructure, and strengthen the defence force and police. Taxpayers, rightly, expect that their hard-earned money is used for the public good and front-line services, not an army of bureaucrats.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022784f4e929aed4ea6a05d1a10add6eccb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224ce08b1450bc2e1f8eefd0baa0f3c2fa\u0022\u003ERyan Hamilton\u003C/span\u003E: Is it possible to deliver better public services for less?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022322fc6f8d802a1188538d9c84734df37\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: There are some who believe there is a linear relationship between Government spending and better outcomes for New Zealanders. There is evidence to the contrary. From 2017 to 2023, Government spending increased by 73\u00A0percent, Government debt was tripled in dollar terms, and the size of the Public Service expanded from 47,000 people to more than 63,000. In the same period, education results went backwards, health waiting lists grew, immunisation rates fell, violent crime increased, and the social housing wait-list almost quadrupled. There are examples to the contrary. When we came into Government, the Ministry for the Environment had around a thousand people; it is now around 700, but that has not stopped the ministry doing exemplary work on reforming the Resource Management Act. There are fantastic public servants working for this Government and Governments past, and with good leadership at the top, they are capable of doing extraordinary things.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022784f4e929aed4ea6a05d1a10add6eccb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223029021aaa122645505bc422cb83e22b\u0022\u003ERyan Hamilton\u003C/span\u003E: Why are the financial sustainability and efficiency of the Public Service important?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222207fd55c1ad542565051ae65d8e130e\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Every dollar saved through duplication and inefficiency in the public sector is a dollar that can be redirected towards lifting productivity and supporting growth. The changes announced today are about ensuring the Public Service is modern, focused, productive, and sustainable over the long term, with a focus on front-line delivery. It\u2019s not going to happen immediately or overnight. Reductions in core Public Service numbers will be achieved progressively over several years through digitisation, mergers, simplification, and natural attrition. We will be monitoring progress regularly and making sure that these results are delivered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e0dfc0eed175fe2bbe875298b47b72e2\u0022\u003EPrime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00220205dc4e9cd3cff77f25c1fa0563cd43\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022 data-id=\u0022924530f3c1d01ace431af2d10f965fb3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022924530f3c1d01ace431af2d10f965fb3\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRIS HIPKINS (Leader of the Opposition) (14:07)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EPrime Minister\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022 data-id=\u0022db54310dbbd64e8ae82269b2c2f61d83\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022db54310dbbd64e8ae82269b2c2f61d83\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister) (14:07)\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226dd56ed0a5c33e1054fc857f5a291c50\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: If his economic plan is working, why are there now 40,000 more people out of work today than there were when he became Prime Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002204173e6280edcbb98cf3b3d0652e4ead\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as we\u2019ve canvassed with the member before, when you increase Government spending by 84 percent, you drive up inflation to 32-year highs, interest rates go up 13 times, the economy slows down, and people lose their jobs. That\u2019s why this Government\u2019s working incredibly hard to make sure that we get spending under control, including in the Public Service; make sure we lower inflation into the band; and, importantly, lower interest rates to get the economy growing and get people into work. Wasn\u2019t it encouraging to see just a very slight improvement in unemployment numbers last month?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022befceb12b0455cefce8a6ad3b8350bff\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: So if his economic plan is working, why\u2014[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ecc1a3fe3ab4af2493a4ea1f45bca2df\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just start again, if you don\u2019t mind.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225600b555efa2d939ffa21f7478499c9c\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: So if his economic plan is working, why, nearly three years after he became the Prime Minister, is unemployment at a 14-year high?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231e5a1c2a1198d6f51bc4feeba5ae0b7\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, unemployment has dropped to 5.3\u00A0percent, as the member will be aware. That means there are more Kiwis in work, and total hours\u2019 work has increased three quarters in a row. The economy, as the member will know, was turning, and we have a conflict to deal with now which will have some impact on inflation, some impact on growth, but that\u2019s why we\u2019re managing it sensibly so that we can pop up on the other side.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240ba4b999b74d7e60cbafb8cfa495845\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Is his economic plan working in Auckland, our biggest city, given unemployment in Auckland has doubled under his leadership?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1db1ea0cfb888ba8bc0b81ed253fb95\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as we\u2019ve talked about before, when you have a Government that drove up inflation and interest rates and put building and construction at risk in Auckland City, it\u2019s taking a little bit longer, but we have the City Rail Link project, we have major events funding coming, we have an Indian free-trade agreement coming on track. So we\u2019ve got a lot of good things happening that will drive future growth and employment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223fb5d8573e7570d1d2285e46d3964136\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: How is it a sign that his economic plan is working when almost 100,000 young New Zealanders, under his leadership, are not in any form of education, training, or employment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022951ec3364add585c9dfa6887dde41872\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, that\u2019s exactly why we\u2019ve announced the reforms that we have to the education system. It was utterly unacceptable to come into Government to find that 55 percent of our kids do not go to school regularly. Half our kids hitting high school are not at the standard they need to be at in reading and 80\u00A0percent are not at the standard they need to be in mathematics. I\u2019d just ask the question: who was the previous Minister of Education?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a603db1e2e4754a7a44892b92e442ae\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: How does a 49 percent increase in hospitality businesses going into liquidation in just the last year indicate that his economic plan is working?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225ae9032a75c5baa04e5103f6b50e754\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: This is a Government that is backing tourism and hospitality. The work that we have done around the Major Events Fund has actually created huge opportunity. Every dollar we have spent has been typically driving $3.20 back into the tourism and hospitality experience. Think about the State of Origin. Think about the changes we\u2019ve made to Eden Park stadium. Think about the events that we\u2019ve attracted to New Zealand, including the Raglan surf that\u2019s going on this week. I hear it\u2019s really good.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223510d3d8a86e4d6e90a5bcec6e4873d0\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: If the economy is back on track, why are company liquidations at a 15-year high?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b438329f11d824a5cc082e66f935cf81\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Again, I\u2019m sorry that I have to explain to the member how economics works, but when you spend more, drive up spending 84\u00A0percent and spray the cash bazooka around the way that it was, inflation goes through the roof to 32-year highs, interest rates go up 13 times, businesses have got high inflation, actually softening revenues, and as a result they end up laying off workers. We have worked our way assiduously through those five component parts to create opportunity for New Zealanders. The good news is that we have had 9 percent growth in Kiwis coming home from overseas. We\u2019ve had 6 percent fewer Kiwis going overseas. If the member actually cared about working New Zealanders, he\u2019d support Resource Management Act reforms, support job-rich fast-track projects, support the repeal of the oil and gas ban, support council rate caps, support the income-tax thresholds, and I could go on and on and on.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6281c623a6f8d8ccd21ca3436c9524f\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Would this Government ever consider borrowing tens of billions of dollars to pump up the economy with a short-term sugar hit\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b3410b728cb84eb295c253e2648ca0c8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ebd85a4554e398179bafb360d2f219dd\u0022\u003EScott Willis\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s already done it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0e2403c87194ab09a0bd954cda7ab12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d62bf63eee661cf3874048144a141c5\u0022\u003ERawiri Waititi\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s already doing it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e6455973387935aca84c45e348818be9\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s what they\u2019re doing now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226383dcfca564bee7bff395fb5865b1a5\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just a minute\u2014sorry, there\u2019s no one speaking other than the person asking the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022092e34674c9a8ec89f54d9c42fd3c105\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Would this Government consider pumping up the economy with reckless borrowing to get a short-term sugar hit, leaving New Zealanders to suffer the consequences for years to come?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227b1c618c295390a15b2a6f5e655ed677\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: No. The New Zealand people voted to put the adults in charge and to turf the teenagers out.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00228d8f28e70d1b564992f926cfbf007796\u0022\u003EPrime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022943a78e3ecf77d8eb2761c00b8c052d0\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 3\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022 data-id=\u0022251052b1e6f7e6836cd43cbc205c8795\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022251052b1e6f7e6836cd43cbc205c8795\u0022\u003EDEBBIE NGAREWA-PACKER (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori) (14:12)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EPrime Minister\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by all his Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022 data-id=\u002209c5e4368685d68e5eb293f4e1e3a6b8\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002209c5e4368685d68e5eb293f4e1e3a6b8\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister) (14:12)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022416b5acf8586e49c18d0e3060e58d67a\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Prime Minister support nuclear vision energy for Aotearoa?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224af61c810e13405f7fb25da656025b8\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re very interested in exploring all sorts of energy options for New Zealand. It\u2019s an \u201Cand, and, and\u201D strategy. We have a massive renewables boom under way. We need to make sure that we open up opportunities for oil and gas, and, of course, we are supporting fusion, which we think has got some long-term potential as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c6cb7934696ddaf6a428f0978b3ab4d8\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Can he tell this House where the radioactive waste, which remains hazardous for tens of thousands of years, from nuclear vision will be stored, and has he consulted with any iwi on whose w\u2019enua it might sit?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022665ecb8a3f9eb0ed4d7a9120e7d88b2d\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: The work that we have exploratorily supported is that work around fusion, and that, of course, is a new technology which we have some interest in here in Wellington. There are some great companies doing some amazing things. We\u2019re going to explore all sorts of energy options, because what we\u2019re not going to do is actually create an energy crisis that ends up cranking up to $800-MWh prices and putting low and middle-income New Zealanders out of work across regional New Zealand. That isn\u2019t happening.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ddf0c226bdd6d81302f085c6dc313502\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. My question was \u201CDoes the Prime Minister support nuclear vision energy for Aotearoa?\u201D, not fusion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022edfff60586ff6eacb3733f220f17fd84\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: You can have another supplementary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c173f6d106f92d6c34d8eb3de900258\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Can he clarify the answer given by Minister\u2014[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b328df83a8d826ca593458838c9b03a0\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, Ms Packer. We\u2019ll have everyone other than the questioner silent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b1039efaff7c69856f742945ce1bb43\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Can he clarify the answer given by Minister Shane Jones on 29 April when he said the Government was planning a new \u201Cnuclear vision\u201D announcement; did he mean nuclear \u201Cvision\u201D or nuclear \u201Cfusion\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002271d8acf3a6f0476999f9d03b4ae70e7d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8e3c464e5d37bb80ea792646f14db7d\u0022\u003EHon Shane Jones\u003C/span\u003E: Vision, vision!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d4712204a0ade659636f99752350ec9\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I would actually let you direct that question to the Minister himself. I\u2019m not aware of his remarks, but all I can tell you is that we are very aligned on the fact that we need to do oil and we need to do gas. We\u2019re open to looking at fusion. We\u2019re open to looking at supercritical geothermal. We\u2019ve got a renewables boom up and running and under way, partly because of fast track. I\u2019d just encourage those members, if you want to care about working New Zealanders, to get in behind fast track, get in behind the Resource Management Act reforms, and repeal the oil and gas ban. [\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c15031980e540a02294f9d83d25ad70d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, the drowning out of answers is not acceptable, and so some people on the very backbench there need to just think before they get too rowdy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211ca3b4771a2c0c5be63219f0bbce2c3\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Is it Government policy to backtrack on our 40-year - long commitment to nuclear-free Aotearoa; if not, why is the Associate Minister for Energy continuing to explore nuclear vision energy options?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dca6a0c7561db4e17ce1f1048ae35f1b\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I haven\u2019t seen the Minister\u2019s remarks, and I encourage you to direct your questions to him. He\u2019s quite capable of answering for himself.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf9e1eb91ef740868a26db659355f7e9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6e28b361042a6d24f8a906e0778a643\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware that there is natural white\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002282181720a63514c90f1001f9ad088770\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s not fusion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf9e1eb91ef740868a26db659355f7e9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022670182f111f4265612ceeda23f2a06dc\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: And when I\u2019m talking, you don\u2019t talk.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272d77e9428e1eebabe82ddc0c9d6c76c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Please start the question again.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf9e1eb91ef740868a26db659355f7e9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296a96c84b2ab3bcf974b70f164bcc3fe\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Prime Minister aware that natural white hydrogen is coming out of New Zealand\u2019s soil right here, right now\u2014and it has been doing so for centuries\u2014and does he agree with the Green, Labour, and Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori members of Parliament that he is able to ban that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220c454c83d9d7047ee17e1b58bcf94d36\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I think we should be looking at all hydrogen options, whether it\u2019s clean or orange, or whatever colour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef0e48f0a54ef4d1c578e950ea7adbfe\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary. [\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c0070678c075321c74909917eb05bf4f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Just wait.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224eeb694c55ab4633a7c9a1c69024072a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200e7b217dbfa75bdc58b5e3db5ce54dc\u0022\u003EDebbie Ngarewa-Packer\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Prime Minister introduced or does he intend to introduce legislation to repeal the New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone, Disarmament, and Arms Control Act 1987, which makes nuclear vision\u2014vision\u2014illegal, and, if not what exactly is this Minister proposing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022014b246496c6fe9c6df7724df8fc114e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: In answer to the first leg of the question, no.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022432259a68e57f8fea1f1401b5fe13a30\u0022\u003EEducation\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022807a17ab7da494e376a036fa35a74deb\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 4\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022 data-id=\u0022ff9fd8a25d7ec43108aeb0bad34ed9d7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ff9fd8a25d7ec43108aeb0bad34ed9d7\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui) (14:16)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister of Education\u003C/span\u003E: What recent announcements has she made about replacing New Zealand\u2019s national qualification?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00221bfacbc8e25f654f11c1134a34b65129\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221bfacbc8e25f654f11c1134a34b65129\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (14:17)\u003C/span\u003E: Last weekend, I announced the details of our new senior secondary qualifications. From 2028, level 1 NCEA will be gone, replaced with a foundational award in literacy and numeracy that is drawn from the year 11 English and Maths curriculum. From 2029, year 12 students will sit the New Zealand Certificate of Education, and from 2030, year 13 students will sit the New Zealand Advanced Certificate of Education. Students will be marked from A\u002B through to E for each subject\u2014back to a grading system that makes sense for parents, students, and employers. The qualification is underpinned by an internationally benchmarked, nationally consistent curriculum to set Kiwi kids up for success.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022becaf5e70c6b48b8deb3bd7b01cc95de\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: Why is the Government replacing our national qualification?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296d0763832f35d186b4d548154d7901c\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: The 2024 ERO or Education Review Office report statistics speak for themselves: 70 percent of employers did not consider NCEA level 1 to be credible; 60 percent of teachers didn\u2019t think it was a reliable measure of what students know and can do; half of parents and 40 percent of students don\u2019t understand how the system works. It was a standards-based qualification system that was designed to be flexible but, in actual fact, has led to the ability for students to game the system by pulling together random credits that don\u2019t always form a cohesive package of learning or pathway into future study. These changes are about ensuring curriculum drives assessment, and that cohesive, well-sequenced and -structured subject content is assessed through a combination of both internal assessments and, importantly, in an end-of-year exam.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226cf9dc99942899273244f14b54cfe3d4\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: How will students gain the foundational award?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224486fa73555578d8f7ef0003d0e0a928\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: To achieve the foundational award, students will need to pass a literacy and mathematics assessment that is drawn from the year 11 English and Maths curriculum, typically sat in year 11. The foundational award can also be achieved in later years by passing English and Maths at year 12 or 13. There will be a two-year transition built into the system where students can also gain the foundational award by gaining the current literacy and numeracy corequisite. This award is designed to ensure students are set up for success with strong literacy and numeracy skills, enabling them to both access the curriculum in higher year groups and set them up for future study and work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002259fc09c5f91ef6b040d3e139095a0bdd\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: How will years 12 and 13 students obtain the new national qualification?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002250cadc92168b790a8b261a3d89c8bf56\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: In years 12 and 13, all students will need to take at least five subjects and pass a minimum of three subjects to gain the qualification. The number of subjects passed will be recognised on student certificates, shown as NZCE 4, 5, or even 6, as we encourage and recognise achievement and aspiration. Two endorsements will also be available to recognise excellence in both vocational and academic achievement. For example, three A grades could enable a student to be awarded a certificate with distinction. The exact design and names for these new endorsements will be confirmed in the coming months.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022164d8922122fc016c18ee8f058c642e7\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: What feedback has she received on these changes?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225edfc6569fa1a45cfaad9280ca75ef9f\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve received great feedback on these changes. One retired teacher wrote to me to say, \u201CI applaud your strategies and desire to elevate learning outcomes for students. I\u2019m ashamed of the New Zealand Post Primary Teachers\u2019 Association for wanting to choke your timely initiatives. I\u2019m saddened that grumbling teachers who have criticised the NCEA models are now grumbling because change is about to occur now\u201D. Auckland Grammar School principal Tim O\u2019Connor told Radio New Zealand (RNZ) that \u201CThe proposed replacement system would provide greater consistency and students\u201D\u2014[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E] I\u2019ll start that again. Auckland Grammar principal Tim O\u2019Connor said to RNZ that \u201CThe proposed replacement system would provide greater consistency for students nationwide\u201D, saying, \u201CStudents from Invercargill and Tokoroa will know that they\u2019ve learnt and been assessed against the same \u2026 students in Auckland and in Wellington\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002204db7a9f820fffc599772f79ce31e557\u0022\u003EAuckland\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002231515a2070ac5096a02930cc5886be6b\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 5\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022 data-id=\u00227861bad0d9ac917537ecd358c0ff4a02\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227861bad0d9ac917537ecd358c0ff4a02\u0022\u003EHon CARMEL SEPULONI (Deputy Leader\u2014Labour) (14:21)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister for Auckland\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his statement, \u201CWhen Auckland succeeds, New Zealand succeeds and when Auckland grows, New Zealand prospers\u201D; if so, what are the Government\u2019s specific targets to grow Auckland\u2019s economy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022 data-id=\u00226f60f8bfff649afc2e6d749931f2feb5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226f60f8bfff649afc2e6d749931f2feb5\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS (Minister for Auckland) (14:21)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I absolutely do. When Auckland does well, New Zealand does well. The Government\u2019s target is to grow the New Zealand economy, lift productivity, increase job opportunities, and as our largest city and economic engine room, Auckland is central to those targets. What matters is specific outcomes. We\u2019re delivering for Auckland, including through projects like the Port of Auckland wharf expansion, which was first approved under the Government\u2019s fast-track approvals process\u2014just one of eight such programmes. We\u2019ve also signed the landmark Auckland city deal, the first of its kind in New Zealand. This aligns central and local government and establishes shared accountability, recognising the size and significance of Auckland. That deal includes specific outcomes, including a new Crown uplift funding tool and a coordinated 30-year transport strategy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002227380956c6ec98841c2e9a71237e3c5b\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: Is Auckland succeeding when the number of Aucklanders who are unemployed has doubled under the National-led Government since the March 2023 quarter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c613a9e84e5d86f14f18d43affaaabf\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: What we\u2019re seeing in Auckland is the inevitable effect of years of high inflation and high interest rates under the last Government. The good news for Aucklanders is that inflation and interest rates are now under control under this Government. If that side of the House truly cares about jobs for Aucklanders, then they should back the fast-track process, which I outlined in my initial primary answer. The Port of Auckland project alone delivers $5.4 billion to the Auckland economy and sustains nearly 160,000 jobs by 2053.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219463f5168dbb227ff715362ab5c96d6\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: Is Auckland succeeding when the number of young Aucklanders not in employment, training, or education has increased by more than 15,000 since the March 2023 quarter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d885aa0342bc5b64728778076193b3e0\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: As I\u2019ve outlined, the key deliverable\u2014which, on this side of House, is what we\u2019re focused on: deliverables and outcomes, not slogans. The last side of the House had six years to deliver for Auckland, which it didn\u2019t, but our focus is around making sure that we\u2019ve got projects and infrastructure investment that creates jobs for our young people that are based in Auckland. This gives them hope, and that\u2019s what we\u2019re delivering.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244515f534f7f3d1e1ff0235620ae3fd5\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: Is Auckland succeeding when the number of Aucklanders on jobseeker work ready has increased by almost 13,000 since the March 2023 quarter?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1c42fc7c279f24bc2b1b9c7ac21447c\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: On this side of the House, we are aspirational for the opportunities for Auckland, because Auckland is the powerhouse of our economy. When Auckland is growing faster, when we\u2019ve got greater productivity, and we\u2019ve got better connectivity for Aucklanders, we will all do well. That\u2019s what we\u2019re focused on on this side of the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225a8696fcbb6522d86790cac86da4ebe\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Has the Minister had any feedback from his fellow Aucklanders after they discovered in the royal commission that they were locked down much longer than they needed to be, and would they like to have a go at that again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c1d798b29816628911412454377142f\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: What I do know is that Aucklanders are looking for delivery and outcomes\u2014they are not looking for slogans\u2014and on this side of the House we are delivering that. The Auckland transport governance bill that was passed last week alone ensures that Auckland transport is now back in the hands of democratically elected individuals in our city. That is one example of delivery, and we have many more to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022083a816abbb847f0a99aff178b1bbba2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022947e8e6180b10409e217e54ae2f1ff1b\u0022\u003EHon Carmel Sepuloni\u003C/span\u003E: Will he guarantee that the Budget will provide real relief for Aucklanders, given, on his watch, Auckland\u2019s unemployment rate is almost double what it was three years ago, the number of people on a benefit is up 40 percent, and the number of young people out of work and/or training is up almost 60 percent?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229fb4ce970d4f47d9853d2ea64ddc5b74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228cc93c7be414dd99125ae192af6da99f\u0022\u003EHon SIMON WATTS\u003C/span\u003E: Well, what I can guarantee, and as I\u2019ve outlined already, is that on this side of the House we are focused on delivering economic growth for this country and for Auckland. We will ensure that we continue that delivery; the Auckland city deal included four areas of growth focus, including Drury, the city centre, Eden Park, and those are going to be key areas of focus as we progress that deal structure.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ef430239b71e94a88c6ec68f0c811c79\u0022\u003EPrime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002288da7f03eb8c61750d1a59ce50eb7316\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 6\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225e65b51223cf4eb8aa02a982d92f8959\u0022 data-id=\u0022b661ba7ebbf2bf78ec60f37ecbfe70ff\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e65b51223cf4eb8aa02a982d92f8959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b661ba7ebbf2bf78ec60f37ecbfe70ff\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green) (14:25)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EPrime Minister\u003C/span\u003E: \u003Cspan lang=\u0022mi\u0022\u003EE tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003E[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsTerm\u0022 style=\u0022font-style: italic\u0022\u003EDoes he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022 data-id=\u00224ba23a3179447552ebe5846ae5726c36\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224ba23a3179447552ebe5846ae5726c36\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister) (14:26)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e65b51223cf4eb8aa02a982d92f8959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca97d57147e5ff4cdbfa3edcd9439476\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Does he stand by his statement, \u201CWe are resolutely focused on front-line service delivery.\u201D and if so, how does he define a front-line service?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022518bb6f0eb2b40f18ac1a2335085f971\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, absolutely we are. It\u2019s about the people that are delivering the services to Kiwis who desperately need them. But what we\u2019re not interested in doing is running up the Public Service from 47,000 to 65,000, with, I think, a 46 percent increase in support and admin roles, and only an 18 percent increase in front-line roles. That\u2019s why this Government works every day to take taxpayer money seriously and get the maximum value out of it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e65b51223cf4eb8aa02a982d92f8959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b85c368c7c858505fbf645d6494d114d\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Would he define a service that supports our rangatahi to understand healthy, safe relationships; our teachers to deal with disclosures of sexual harm; and our Defence Force to deliver family violence training as front line?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022832d90d4a5b144c4760cc131c22b937a\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, as we\u2019ve said before, excluded from the baseline savings exercises are the New Zealand Defence Force, the Police, the Ministry for Children Oranga Tamariki, Corrections, the Ministry of Health, the Ministry of Justice, the Ministry of Education, the Government Communications Security Bureau, the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service, the Education Review Office, the Crown Law Office, the Ministry of Defence, the Serious Fraud Office, and parliamentary agencies. Those are the agencies that have been excluded from the baseline savings exercise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e65b51223cf4eb8aa02a982d92f8959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227be50c3e40b1f8b57dbe9cc6bc557d5e\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Following the news that RespectEd Aotearoa, Wellington\u2019s only specialist sexual violence prevention agency, will close in August following his Government\u2019s cuts to their funding, what, then, does he say to the quarter of the country who have personally experienced violence?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b56cf3f3f11a7f0b0cfaf3efcc5091d\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I look forward to that party\u2019s support of the new National Party policy which is to abolish good character tests for all sexual offending.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e65b51223cf4eb8aa02a982d92f8959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cebb72b6cdba1fcb9dd36afb8fede0de\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: Is he aware that the annual cost of sexual violence is $6.9 billion, with over 90 percent of that cost borne by individuals and their communities, and if so, is it resolutely focused to lose entire organisations and workforces to make short-term Budget savings when we are seeing an increase in sexualised violence?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f7e71652139c93a9884f2be32fdf12fc\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: We are continuing the previous Government\u2019s work on the sexual violence plan. We want continuity there, but we also want to make sure that we get better return out of the money that we are spending. So we ask everybody to make sure that they are getting outcomes and results across the whole of the Government and the whole of the Public Service.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e65b51223cf4eb8aa02a982d92f8959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227ee6949674bcd72933f2f4e0c10521c2\u0022\u003EHon Marama Davidson\u003C/span\u003E: What other front-line workers will be saving his Budget this year since he\u2019s already scrapped pay equity for 150,000 New Zealanders last year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c681e476a04035af1bce47d01037e3cd\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, again, the Budget will be announced next week and the member will have to wait for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002254c504f5e0d2527ffa86a696d24c0c30\u0022\u003EFinance\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a70bd4f7f4b0b3dd57f8c969f453d700\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 7\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022 data-id=\u0022d5ed49b7d130766415aef4edaf6dbdfc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d5ed49b7d130766415aef4edaf6dbdfc\u0022\u003EHon BARBARA EDMONDS (Labour\u2014Mana) (14:28)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister of Finance\u003C/span\u003E: Does she stand by all her statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022 data-id=\u0022a5d4bc6145b2be0e281469a5e5e31978\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a5d4bc6145b2be0e281469a5e5e31978\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Associate Minister of Finance) (14:29)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister of Finance\u003C/span\u003E: In context, yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0151e0c0f1e0f42efc7b70b4f60a228\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Does her promise of no cuts to front-line services apply to her plan announced today to reduce the headcount of the Public Service by 8,700?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fee25a7f7c21a85a1a90ec35b4a7e20\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of Minister of Finance, the Government is focused on growing front-line roles in the Public Service to deliver better services for New Zealand taxpayers. But what we can\u2019t support is the unsustainable growth in the Public Service, from 47,000 in 2017 to more than 65,000 by 2023, which was nearly three times faster than the wider workforce.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c126c012d4682199c2674524351d6069\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Will she release a list of all the jobs to be cut and who will do those roles to meet her targets?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022299fe6e58c3462b5449ecb9abce75124\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, I think the member is getting slightly ahead of herself. What the Government has announced today is the start of a multi-year process of reform for the Public Service, partly involving a reduction in the workforce numbers\u2014the overall headcount\u2014but also involving the use of AI and digitisation and also involving the streamlining of, and reduction in, the number of Government departments and agencies. All of those three things put together are going to take a considerable amount of time, energy, and effort from the Government. We have asked agencies to make 2\u00A0percent baseline savings this year, 5\u00A0percent next year, and 5\u00A0percent the year after that. All of those things will need to take place and roll through for precise jobs and precise job titles to roll through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227e5c5658c715066dc6ba1afa6697a633\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: If she doesn\u2019t know what jobs will be cut, how does she come to the 8,700 number, and how can she be sure they won\u2019t be front-line service jobs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222009dd206b29df94f1340f1ca1a52dce\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Because, on behalf of the Minister of Finance, it returns the Public Service to what we consider to be a sustainable level of percentage of the total workforce and the total economy. It\u2019s 1 percent of the total population. It was around 1\u00A0percent; it blew out under the last Government to around 1.2\u00A0percent, and we\u2019re now going down to about 1\u00A0percent. It is larger, in headcount terms, than where it was in 2017, but we\u2019re accounting for population growth in that time. It\u2019s a rough number, and it will take some time to get there, but what\u2019s really important is that we are on the journey to a more sustainable and fiscally effective Public Service.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f06c7261c337a7861e9c1e9e715d6cd8\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Is she only planning to cut front-line services like school-based nurses in Porirua and Wairarapa to help save her Budget after giving tax breaks for landlords and tobacco companies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222672ca20adcbbb7e06c083b52956c617\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, you have to reword that question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002272d41669338283ac61e0ab5dc7af1745\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Why?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ce52aeef682fc8a309d80b94dacfe24b\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Because of its supposition at the end of it. You can\u2019t do that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a3c832c6a5322c5c90e27d76cb62ac5\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. Mr Speaker, we\u2019ve had questions from Government Ministers today that contained a whole lot of suppositions about the Opposition, let alone about the Government. Is the same standard applicable across the House? David Seymour\u2019s question would have been ruled out of order on that basis, as would, I think, one of the questions from Winston Peters.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022086086205f44bd42f60b4b99ae4692d3\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No. I\u2019ve listened to all those questions. In the case of David Seymour\u2019s question, he was referencing the royal commission report, not anything else. But, look, there\u2019s only a slight change that\u2019s required.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229dd7bda3c5f0e42df7d1dacbf4cc2b6f\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Why\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238933ecf171f1719b98db6942bf81abc\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, that\u2019s good. Good start.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223791af94258482e5d59f502bc16f0f88\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014is she only planning to cut front-line services like school-based nurses in Porirua and Wairarapa to help save her Budget after giving tax breaks for landlords and tobacco companies?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf9e1eb91ef740868a26db659355f7e9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022be64a083d097fb12af8881fc01505294\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. Countless times, we have said that it\u2019s a total lie to talk about tax breaks to tobacco companies. They\u2019ve admitted that to the media, but they, in this House, keep on repeating it every day.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022987ecbaf2bf4ec05f7165f4480eccd67\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I think it\u2019s very hard to say that a tax not applied is a tax break, in my opinion, so, as I said, there\u2019s a different way of wording it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf9e1eb91ef740868a26db659355f7e9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224451db63f1afef5d496d6f44c27023c0\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order. It\u2019s a simple matter of economics. The reality is that if less cigarettes are sold, then less tax is collected by Inland Revenue. That\u2019s precisely what happened. This sort of idiocy should not be submitted in this House or agreed to by you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224fb8b5dcae9e6119e5310a71fca7780f\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019m not permitting Government policy. I\u2019m not permitting Government policy or preventing Government policy. The reality is that I\u2019m simply judging a question. The Minister will know that some of the tax that comes from tobacco comes from the amount of excise that is applied. If it\u2019s not applied, it\u2019s hardly a tax cut. I\u2019ve agreed with the Minister to that point. Just a slight rewording.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ef66d0fa1b4347e04530a1c9be188074\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m very confused by this logic. You\u2019re saying that if someone\u2019s not charged a tax that they were previously being charged, that\u2019s not a tax cut?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf9e1eb91ef740868a26db659355f7e9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217f9f27d93cd2dfd3533b163c2474b58\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: No, you idiot.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022741d20f616a7cb85e40463c88c66026a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Ah, no\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221eee191991284f59b9f8bb4ea78cbd10\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221839165a34909c51282da4db7dd1d8d5\u0022\u003ERt Hon Chris Hipkins\u003C/span\u003E: That seems to be what you\u2019re saying.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2fb3a29cfd31d4b911c788e6f6bb8f4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I don\u2019t think that\u2019s reasonable to say that you\u2019re confused about that, because, clearly, if a tax is not applied, then it hasn\u2019t applied before. So if it\u2019s not increased, which is what the excise programme is about. I\u2019m not going into any further explanation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002244e4d3e8aa9e3a75038a9bc7141d3a3e\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, it\u2019s\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220072bcc8752e2895f509db77c489b47a\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: I beg your pardon?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c3f1643ea8b13227ec0678aeeabec55\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: I was going to answer the question or try to. There\u2019s nuclear confusion over here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235ef0973aff05500df2f6022f93f3e43\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Hang on, wait on\u2014excuse me. Mr Bishop, we\u2019ll get the question right, shall we?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223d2742e1d5da4db8985354d2641589c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e4424fdfae415aaaa79c9918399a4533\u0022\u003EHon Barbara Edmonds\u003C/span\u003E: Why is she only planning to cut front-line services, like school-based nurses in Porirua and Wairarapa, to help save her Budget after giving tax breaks for landlords and excise levy breaks for heated tobacco companies that are only applicable to one tobacco company?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0fb2a9364802556b5b96de6783eb79f\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, there are three facile and fallacious statements and assertions in that member\u2019s statement. Dealing with the last point, as has been extensively litigated, there are no tax breaks for tobacco companies advanced by the Budget. Dealing with the second assertion, I note that members opposite were arguing on the weekend that bringing back the interest deductibility rules was not a tax increase, which is a little bit inconsistent with their argument today that that is a tax break for landlords. Reversing one can\u2019t both be one and the other. On the first assertion, that is incorrect.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022eae1cbe3668590d902ecf2a00aa4128f\u0022\u003EAgriculture\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00226c3ecbd2fe6f9432e234bb209f37115a\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 8\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221a8ff6e3602c492880b65258f59645c0\u0022 data-id=\u0022b7a45564f283eb8b304354a32310f31d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a8ff6e3602c492880b65258f59645c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b7a45564f283eb8b304354a32310f31d\u0022\u003EDANA KIRKPATRICK (National\u2014East Coast) (14:36)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister of Agriculture\u003C/span\u003E: What recent announcement has the Government made about supporting high-value horticulture?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022 data-id=\u00220b0f34e68e0609da55b4f9549b50d030\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220b0f34e68e0609da55b4f9549b50d030\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY (Minister of Agriculture) (14:36)\u003C/span\u003E: On Friday, the Government announced changes to protect investment from high-value horticulture exports such as kiwifruit, apples, pears, and potatoes, as examples. The Government is strengthening plant variety rights and restoring provisional protection for growers and breeders from the day that they apply. This will help protect the significant investment that goes into developing new plant varieties, support innovation, and grow our export returns. This is particularly important for horticultural breeders where protected varieties underpin a large share of export earnings and help drive jobs, regional growth, and international competitiveness.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a8ff6e3602c492880b65258f59645c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022015eb209c3984e834ae73227f7a079a3\u0022\u003EDana Kirkpatrick\u003C/span\u003E: How significant are plant variety rights - protected varieties to New Zealand\u2019s kiwifruit export success?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bc88e386b2e33dc8d2cb66d48f5db3fd\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: They are hugely significant. In 2024, around 75 percent of the $3.5 billion of kiwifruit exports came from plant variety rights - protected varieties, like SunGold and RubyRed kiwifruit. That demonstrates just how important intellectual property protection is to maintaining New Zealand\u2019s premium position in global horticulture markets. Projections show that extending the plant variety rights term for SunGold kiwifruit alone could generate an additional $1.8 billion in extra revenue over five years. That would be $1.8 billion directly into the pockets of kiwifruit growers in regional New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a8ff6e3602c492880b65258f59645c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002280855cbdaedbf3e5afd35946a2786928\u0022\u003EDana Kirkpatrick\u003C/span\u003E: Why is restoring provisional protection important for growers and breeders developing new high-value horticultural products?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f726f43f399e5f913ca1a5a044a540ca\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: Because it means growers and breeders are protected from the day they submit their application, rather than waiting until rights are formally granted, which can take some years. This gives growers and breeders greater certainty and allows them to take legal action if new plant varieties are commercially exploited during the application process. For New Zealand\u2019s renowned horticultural exporters, it gives them the confidence to further invest and innovate in high-value hort products that will strengthen New Zealand\u2019s export economy for many years to come.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a8ff6e3602c492880b65258f59645c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296b8c1fa5ed10713c33da6f168e236f8\u0022\u003EDana Kirkpatrick\u003C/span\u003E: How will these changes benefit exporters in overseas markets?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00228d19240ed9ca4f5597e2bb804e0e32fb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c37cf38bbd188452958e69dba221dec\u0022\u003EHon TODD McCLAY\u003C/span\u003E: For New Zealand exporters, the changes back them where it counts: protecting the innovation behind premium New Zealand products as they go offshore. The world wants high-quality, safe food from New Zealand, and this Government is committed to giving growers and breeders greater confidence to invest in expanded new markets and compete. The Government\u2019s committed to ensuring our food and fibre sector has the best possible opportunity when competing on the world stage, because we know that when our farmers and growers do well, all of New Zealand does well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226762aa2b6e549973eeb1b5d3a061695f\u0022\u003EEconomic Growth\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002257c3d78f8f0b4011143a2413d1d596a2\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 9\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u00227595c7b39c8895dafffd01906a3b8da4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227595c7b39c8895dafffd01906a3b8da4\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (14:39)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister for Economic Growth\u003C/span\u003E: Does she agree with the Minister of Finance\u2019s statement, \u201CGrowth matters. It means more jobs, higher incomes and opportunities for families to get ahead\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022 data-id=\u0022bb7182d5bd5bb19bea9ad113092297bd\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bb7182d5bd5bb19bea9ad113092297bd\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP (Associate Minister of Finance) (14:39)\u003C/span\u003E on behalf of the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister for Economic Growth\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. Before the outbreak of the conflict in the Middle East, an economic recovery was under way and was expected to broaden in 2026. Since then, the conflict has triggered a global supply shock, as the member knows, that has sharply increased oil prices. That will have an impact on inflation and economic growth in the near term, but those impacts will delay\u2014they won\u2019t derail\u2014the economic recovery.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022898e2b788a30d41357c9c90078371cbb\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: How does cutting a further 8,700 public sector roles contribute to more jobs and more opportunities for families to get ahead?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022287104501c355b0823a7b63cc52b984d\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, it\u2019s hard to know where to start. The idea that increasing the size of the Public Service year on year is the answer to New Zealand\u2019s economic problems is precisely the kind of mentality that got us into this mess in the first place. Actually, what we saw over the last six years before this Government was elected was a large, unsustainable increase in the size of the Wellington Public Service bureaucracy, a massive explosion in debt and Government spending more generally, and, all the while, Public Service results went backwards, whether it\u2019s education, health, law and order, or anything. As I said in response to the first question of the day, there is not a linear relationship between the size of the Public Service and better results for Public Services for New Zealanders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b8ca3ec4a60f38abd842878a9d7a065\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: How many of the 5,200 people across the Hutt Valley employed in central Government will lose their jobs as a results of the Government\u2019s planned extra 8,700 public sector job cuts?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e72ad4081a5484de6b8a719dbef420a7\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: On behalf of the Minister of Finance, as I said in response to her colleague\u2019s question earlier in question time, precise impacts on departments and agencies and job roles will be worked through as part of the process. As I said, also, we are at the start of the transformation of the Public Service to be more relevant to New Zealanders, deliver better Public Services with a smaller headcount and a smaller footprint, utilising some of the tools that every other Public Service around the world that New Zealand likes to compare itself to is using\u2014for example, digitisation and artificial intelligence to make sure that we can reduce cost, reduce inefficiency, and deliver better services for New Zealanders. We do not believe that just increasing the size of the Public Service inexorably is the answer to New Zealand\u2019s economic problems, and the mentality that that is the solution to our problems is precisely why the last Government got booted out of office two years ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213dc745587278dcb47e6fdbbd54d1d4c\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Was Chris Bishop correct when said, \u201CMany of the people who are losing their jobs in the Public Service will get jobs elsewhere\u201D; if so, would there be 6,000 more people unemployed in Wellington if that was the case?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022df6475949929998f73f9081d32127209\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, no. On behalf of the Minister of Economic Growth\u2014thank you to Louise Upston for reminding me\u2014the member seems to be of the view that we live in a zero-sum economy rather than a dynamic, market-based economy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022667c7b68948c0f246b2987359d1d6ecf\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Look around Wellington\u2014we are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f9cb73fb3031ce1b3657d1d0913ca4c\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: What was that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c700584364e95feb340f19c8f231a102\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Well that\u2019s exactly\u201410,000 jobs lost to this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a0ab128975466db680843a6d0034c87c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Hang on, we\u2019re not having that. The question will terminate, which won\u2019t be good for the person asking, if we get that sort of discussion across the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208ee2552cb0629ab4fe5696a2c10c4c2\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: We live in a market economy, and over the next four years alone, over 200,000 jobs will be created in this economy\u2014tens of thousands of jobs. In the private sector\u2014which, by the way, makes up the vast bulk of the number of people employed in New Zealand. I know the members opposite are obsessed with the Public Service, but most people in this country are employed in the private sector. In the private sector, people lose their jobs and go for new jobs every day of the week\u2014in fact, in the time that we have been answering these ridiculous questions, there will almost certainly be people accepting jobs and declining jobs and losing their jobs. That\u2019s what living in a market economy means, and so, yes, there will be job changes in the Wellington Public Service, and, over the last two years, guess what! That happened; and over the six years before that, guess what! People in Wellington lost their jobs, but also, guess what! There are other jobs that people go to and get re-employed in. [\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsTerm\u0022 style=\u0022font-style: italic\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a433e9e63c24425e51140092dc569fd\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Wait for all your colleagues to give you the space to ask a question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022db2ea575110f43e6b325fc2758d0d15b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225bb64829fd0b0047edaefbe5fb814628\u0022\u003EHon Dr Ayesha Verrall\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister realise that people across the Wellington region, including the Hutt Valley and Newlands, deserve representation from someone who wants job creation and not someone who just says \u201CHope so.\u201D to job losses? [\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c150091b9fecbf3f85bb29fa24e96d64\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, no\u2014sit down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf9e1eb91ef740868a26db659355f7e9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002217650f09b94105fce57672a55332034b\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: Is the Minister saying that the present Government looked at the bureaucratic build-up, three times that of the private industry and private employment, and came to the conclusion that Labour wasn\u2019t working?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c7b562bbb287157550774139ad1ef12\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s not a question\u2014that doesn\u2019t need to be answered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220646e9a4b0bb53a1a83113f1edc22355\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Did you want me to reword that one?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a6857fd1947796cde8597c8135ae3a54\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Well, have another crack.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ec3d093fab7593777948f965e48fbd8c\u0022\u003EHon Ginny Andersen\u003C/span\u003E: Does the Minister realise that people across the Wellington region, including the Hutt Valley, will be directly affected by 8,700 job cuts to the public sector, and does he understand that if someone says \u201CHope so.\u201D to job losses, this makes the lives of families struggling under the cost of living even harder?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fd34d4b37edebf9a1e0e9a6143fd389e\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: Well, on behalf of the Minister for Economic Growth, I know the quote the member is referring to; it was made by the member of Parliament for Hutt South, who was talking about K\u0101inga Ora in Opposition. I know for a fact that the member is proud of the performance of K\u0101inga Ora, because hundreds of people are no longer employed at K\u0101inga Ora while, at the same time, tenancy satisfaction is up on average, from memory, about seven points, build costs are lower, and net debt is down. I take issue with the member\u2019s characterisation that Wellingtonians are some special breed of New Zealanders that don\u2019t care about wider economic prosperity. They are Kiwis too. This Government is focused on making sure that Wellington, which is too often typically characterised as some Public Service town for which there is nothing else going on, actually grows like everybody else\u2014through W\u0113t\u0101\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022290dc7f44dc6cf3d177e05e7c2709382\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Yep, good\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002213a143b0e4e187300fba333112117195\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014through Xero, through Sharesies, through the high-tech manufacturing jobs in the Hutt Valley\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de24a50072f58c572d70a5ca44e6cc32\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s it\u2014point made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b111696b9f040d3b1d5339eead7439f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3b57596d9346fdaa429342967a35457\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS BISHOP\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014through all of the great things happening in this fantastic region. The idea that Wellington is a Public Service town and only that is wrong and offensive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00220a4ae321c76a874f0ff10eca9c9498a0\u0022\u003EDefence\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00229828b05e054a075b43370e62ac6a6c92\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 10\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022694c3cef004e40d78a26712dce80070d\u0022 data-id=\u0022323c9ec8990fedfe08cb531e3964747a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022694c3cef004e40d78a26712dce80070d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022323c9ec8990fedfe08cb531e3964747a\u0022\u003ESUZE REDMAYNE (National\u2014Rangit\u012Bkei) (14:47)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister of Defence\u003C/span\u003E: What announcements has he made around defence spending?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022 data-id=\u00224e334fe7b2b56daae27e94c856e4f69c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224e334fe7b2b56daae27e94c856e4f69c\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK (Minister of Defence) (14:47)\u003C/span\u003E: Yesterday, I had the pleasure of announcing the delivery of the first new homes of the Homes for Families programme for service personnel and their families. Just seven months after shovels hit the ground, I was delighted, yesterday, to celebrate the opening of 23 new homes for military families, including eight at the Linton Military Camp\u2014alongside the member asking the question, by extraordinary coincidence\u2014five at RNZAF Base \u014Chakea, and 10 at Burnham Military Camp.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022694c3cef004e40d78a26712dce80070d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227887208067963d0efe75f6e6d6139d8e\u0022\u003ESuze Redmayne\u003C/span\u003E: Why is investing in housing for our defence personnel important?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c34310018144f95e8e0f8c4ef3daff8d\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Strengthening New Zealand\u2019s national security includes supporting the defence personnel who uphold it. Decades of underinvestment across successive Governments has meant that many military families were residing in homes that were no longer fit for modern family life\u2014some dating back to the 1930s. Improving living conditions supports the wellbeing of our defence personnel and their families, which contributes directly to workforce sustainability and suitability. This is crucial for the retention, readiness, and overall effectiveness of our New Zealand Defence Force.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022694c3cef004e40d78a26712dce80070d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022813e7f9d624221b52741a02687437e9b\u0022\u003ESuze Redmayne\u003C/span\u003E: How will this programme benefit the communities surrounding defence bases?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022624b5e5ecd274e178a4554c1ae59f723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022821a61c016069ac76f91530d39abdf6b\u0022\u003EHon CHRIS PENK\u003C/span\u003E: Well, the Government intends to invest up to $600 million in this programme through the Defence Capability Plan, with further homes planned through new builds and long-term leasing arrangements in locations that include Devonport, Trentham, and Whenuapai. This money is being spent in New Zealand regions, boosting regional economies by supporting local builders, contractors, and suppliers, helping to create and sustain construction jobs across New Zealand.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022694c3cef004e40d78a26712dce80070d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8c88c4f4a9b3d3d6ea5746ea62ff70d\u0022\u003ESuze Redmayne\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002247bb8f295c8e24ae1e8ae091cdd6519c\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: OK, question No. 11\u2014Dan Rosewarne.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022694c3cef004e40d78a26712dce80070d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf2e8a7eb1a9de91c498435b868b4f11\u0022\u003ESuze Redmayne\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282ab0ea3cc1948dabe8e5cc6838658d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022630b168db32926f3bd017c60984284d8\u0022\u003EDan Rosewarne\u003C/span\u003E: My question is to the Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing. What advice, if any\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220838e5f9bac748d2a59aea595e5226a0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e48e4a3f3975cb43822ac1dc5a4bef3d\u0022\u003ESimon Court\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Speaker\u2014Mr Speaker, point of order.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002294e2f100c0c1cde77b54321d3b4984ba\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: This better be a good point of order, and it better not contradict \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003ESpeakers\u2019 Rulings\u003C/span\u003E and \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EStanding Orders\u003C/span\u003E when it comes to supplementary questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e961ff663e248f6ec6a021e59cf9715f\u0022\u003EHon Members: \u003C/span\u003EHa, ha!\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220838e5f9bac748d2a59aea595e5226a0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022442f659746f1583285b2248d9452b27f\u0022\u003ESimon Court\u003C/span\u003E: It doesn\u2019t, as far as I\u2019m aware. I understood that one of the members still had further supplementaries, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0840bd19b6026c78e57809dbff7fae1\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: Did you indeed? Well, you were wrong. Dan Rosewarne.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282ab0ea3cc1948dabe8e5cc6838658d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a1ab091a237c972e2d974c348ca5707\u0022\u003EDan Rosewarne\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022840103c5eb51fee7dc0bc2deda60f46b\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Speaker. Mr Speaker, members of this House have a right to raise a point of order without the kind of crap that he just got from you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022ca2535e97751626f51fb0c441e53efc1\u0022\u003EWithdrawal from Chamber\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022446efbebc5ccfbe28bb13ca65528c33f\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022 data-id=\u0022baab23b22224021bbafb6dda6050e2f9\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022baab23b22224021bbafb6dda6050e2f9\u0022\u003ESPEAKER (14:49)\u003C/span\u003E: The member will leave the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour withdrew from the Chamber.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a4f7e7b411f0b07a2c41fe275c765eb8\u0022\u003EOral Questions to Ministers\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022b4bf8717f19b150a5df69b530b7dba52\u0022\u003ESmall Business and Manufacturing\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a467668d71fe3746338938bd4f49cfde\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 11\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002282ab0ea3cc1948dabe8e5cc6838658d0\u0022 data-id=\u0022f8f3163219285712188a5e8ad4babb21\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282ab0ea3cc1948dabe8e5cc6838658d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f8f3163219285712188a5e8ad4babb21\u0022\u003EDAN ROSEWARNE (Labour) (14:49)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister for Small Business and Manufacturing\u003C/span\u003E: What advice, if any, has he received on the increased rate of liquidations for small operators?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022587d574de1174371be09e431d9060e87\u0022 data-id=\u00221086273f9afc7c6d7481a6506c3e3924\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587d574de1174371be09e431d9060e87\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221086273f9afc7c6d7481a6506c3e3924\u0022\u003EHon CAMERON BREWER (Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing) (14:50)\u003C/span\u003E: As Minister for Small Business and Manufacturing, none.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282ab0ea3cc1948dabe8e5cc6838658d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002242ce5abf3a8f3dd425f4b221d73fae27\u0022\u003EDan Rosewarne\u003C/span\u003E: Why were liquidations at a 15-year high before the fuel crisis?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587d574de1174371be09e431d9060e87\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b21e049ec4707382aecab0716549630\u0022\u003EHon CAMERON BREWER\u003C/span\u003E: I think this has been well canvassed by previous speakers, particularly the Prime Minister, that these liquidations are a direct result of an overcooked economy where we saw inflation up to 7.3 percent, food inflation up to over 12 percent, where we saw interest rates up\u201412 consecutive official cash rate increases. This Government is all about low taxes, controlling interest rates, and managing inflation as best we can given this difficult environment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282ab0ea3cc1948dabe8e5cc6838658d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8ab6f94840075415d7c477193535bfa\u0022\u003EDan Rosewarne\u003C/span\u003E: How many of the 188 liquidations last month were from small businesses?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587d574de1174371be09e431d9060e87\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225fe5f7ca86bd7f72bd45554c05cf64d6\u0022\u003EHon CAMERON BREWER\u003C/span\u003E: I ask the member to put that question to the young and dynamic Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs, because that is the Minister who gets the monthly update from the Companies Office as far as business data, which includes the number of liquidations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282ab0ea3cc1948dabe8e5cc6838658d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b965056736af508c70708f96468f563\u0022\u003EDan Rosewarne\u003C/span\u003E: What immediate support is he providing to stop small businesses going under right now?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587d574de1174371be09e431d9060e87\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf862a5ad9b69165c10172617f2bbe46\u0022\u003EHon CAMERON BREWER\u003C/span\u003E: If the member wants me to go through our achievements over the last two or three years as to how we\u2019re supporting businesses, then I\u2019m happy to do that, but I don\u2019t want to trifle you, Mr Speaker, because it\u2019s a long, long list. But I know, working with our business advisory groups and our manufacturing advisory group and being out at the Hutt Valley Manufacturing \u0026amp; Innovation Expo, the feedback that we\u2019re getting is the Government is supporting them. We\u2019re on track for sustained growth once we get through this difficult situation, but as Westpac bank said just last week, we are still growing. It might not be what Treasury forecast late last year; that growth has been delayed, but growth is coming, and this Government supports it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002282ab0ea3cc1948dabe8e5cc6838658d0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f66d18a5506dea67a5f8a753e7052fb1\u0022\u003EDan Rosewarne\u003C/span\u003E: If that is the case, are the 66 percent of small and medium sized businesses dissatisfied and indifferent with the Government, as surveyed by the annual business monitor, right to feel that way?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587d574de1174371be09e431d9060e87\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4c55b3c6921891d578383cd3f092bd4\u0022\u003EHon CAMERON BREWER\u003C/span\u003E: I invite the spokesperson to come out on some of my goodwill tours around the country to meet with small businesses and manufacturers. They know that we\u2019re in a difficult international environment, but this Government is working with business, is working with manufacturers, and we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. That is why businesses and manufacturers are going to back this Government for its re-election, and it\u2019s exactly why they will not return the last lot\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ccf8a572ccab87dd53497bf28c1eac9d\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No, that\u2019s enough.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587d574de1174371be09e431d9060e87\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002283afab86ef924d40ad07ce152fe9d323\u0022\u003EHon CAMERON BREWER\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014when small to medium sized enterprises were voting well against them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222907aa3c196f2efb9d405e13d7e8ff14\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: No need to make those comments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002255865793434696d1571773a25313eeb4\u0022\u003EPrime Minister\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a7484931e03432670d6e1cf05da06d12\u0022\u003EQuestion No. 12\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229340db0d6051493982fc3db81fee975a\u0022 data-id=\u002227ebd4dc0a4f30605d838a25cce26733\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229340db0d6051493982fc3db81fee975a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002227ebd4dc0a4f30605d838a25cce26733\u0022\u003ECHL\u00D6E SWARBRICK (Co-Leader\u2014Green) (14:53)\u003C/span\u003E to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EPrime Minister\u003C/span\u003E: \u003Cspan lang=\u0022mi\u0022\u003EE tautoko ana ia i ng\u0101 k\u014Drero me ng\u0101 mahi katoa a t\u014Dna K\u0101wanatanga?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003E[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EDoes he stand by all of his Government\u2019s statements and actions?\u003C/span\u003E]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022 data-id=\u0022753c724de31e265caaf1f558c4678c53\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022753c724de31e265caaf1f558c4678c53\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON (Prime Minister) (14:53)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229340db0d6051493982fc3db81fee975a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3d7a9322d4fdde44fb0166c43894930\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Was the Prime Minister correct when he answered to me last week that \u201Cwe want to see downward pressure on power prices, for sure\u2014that requires us to put in place an energy strategy\u201D?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e03d183aec7bce546f8c6c2be35f56c5\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Absolutely, and our vision is abundant and affordable energy. That\u2019s why we\u2019re increasing the supply of renewables through things like fast track. It\u2019s also why we\u2019re increasing our thermal capacity and firming energy as well. We need to lower the dry-year risk; that takes the risk premium out of power bills. Let\u2019s put the downward pressure on power prices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229340db0d6051493982fc3db81fee975a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221690a899ab858487f5713a0dcfcc9f5d\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: So is the Government working on an energy strategy, as he said to me last week in this House, or was the energy strategy work programme cancelled by his Government, as our Official Information Act request shows, in March this year?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296f20f049b7ab598418d26f5b09d55bc\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I thank the member for her question, but we don\u2019t do just strategies and bumper stickers and Post-it notes. That\u2019s what ended the oil and gas ban. We get on, crack on, put the money in, make the investments, and get into action rather than just talk and waffle and more Post-it notes and more bumper stickers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229340db0d6051493982fc3db81fee975a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022569e53565be8e4fc587e9ac95dc1128a\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: So why do we need a critical minerals strategy but not an energy strategy?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fcbd700cbd7ea8f141c779a81d8f608a\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: We have an energy strategy. I\u2019ve explained it to the member before, actually. We\u2019re experiencing a massive renewables boom, and no one in the Labour Party or in the Greens supported fast track or the Resource Management Act reform that\u2019s enabling the building of renewables at a rate we haven\u2019t seen for some time. Equally, we need to make sure we\u2019ve got a strategic coal reserve, a strategy diesel reserve, and we\u2019ve actually got options to explore with investors to discover more gas, as well. The good news is that, on critical minerals, we have them. We want to exploit them, because we are a country rich in abundant natural resources, and, actually, that\u2019s how we get wealthier. When the other side ask me questions about youth unemployment and they say Kiwi kids are going to Australia to do mining jobs in oil and gas, well, actually, you should say yes to them here in New Zealand rather than over there in Australia.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229340db0d6051493982fc3db81fee975a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f682dde11ad2153f4a8def1d68d3d3e\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: If it is socialism, as he called the Green budget, to invest in renewable energy, why is it not socialism for his Government to invest in fossil-fuel production?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ffc058667f61cdcc4d37109cf79ae610\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m not aware I made that comment, but I think it\u2019s a fair one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229340db0d6051493982fc3db81fee975a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002268ea94952359c51f5cbcc529039c8447\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Why is it socialism to invest in renewable energy but not socialism to actively invest hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer funds into fossil-fuel production?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cd896dd87395460c8de853bbf60dbf66\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022deb6348ef6a5b6ceb37b338d4f35c24e\u0022\u003ERt Hon CHRISTOPHER LUXON\u003C/span\u003E: Well, I\u2019d just say to the member that when the member was part of a Government, they had a terrible energy policy. It ended up creating an energy crisis in 2024. You had your go, you mucked it up, you caused an energy crisis, you put people out of work\u2014that is the reality of all of your energy policy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229340db0d6051493982fc3db81fee975a\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a2c3eb4ca060c2038c31c55d755d941a\u0022\u003EChl\u00F6e Swarbrick\u003C/span\u003E: Tell the truth.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2239046aa870dd731a8248d7e2980bf\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That concludes\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cf9e1eb91ef740868a26db659355f7e9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228108a42623cf8170aa9e892a4b9a9f3\u0022\u003ERt Hon Winston Peters\u003C/span\u003E: You can\u2019t say that. You\u2019re not in your caucus now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222f8a8cbe602aee72971fd0fa0397a462\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That concludes oral questions. We\u2019ll take a little moment for the House to settle down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022242aebe1a43395123fec212100e143ca\u0022\u003ESittings of the House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a7ef6448fbe9ae63f442e3a9c6d6399a\u0022\u003EExtended Sitting\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022 data-id=\u002288c8a513bce631dccbb92add7af9b06a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002288c8a513bce631dccbb92add7af9b06a\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Leader of the House) (14:57)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, That the sitting of the House today be extended into the morning of 20 May 2026 to consider the Redress System for Abuse in Care Bill committee of the whole House stage, Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill committee of the whole House stage, Local Government (System Improvements) Amendment Bill second reading, Environment (Disestablishment of Ministry for the Environment) Amendment Bill third reading, and Public Service Amendment Bill third reading.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221545deb480d7473354a336093ab8badb\u0022\u003EVacancy of Seat\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00226040da0da709eb3c5c10568bf81979aa\u0022\u003EPapakura\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022 data-id=\u0022249d981280c8a09a69e2610538568596\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022249d981280c8a09a69e2610538568596\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Leader of the House) (14:58)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat, under section 131(b) of the Electoral Act 1993, a vacancy in the Papakura Electoral District having arisen and the House having been informed that a general election is to be held within six months of the occurrence of the vacancy, no writ be issued for the election of a member of Parliament for that Electoral District to supply the vacancy occasioned by the resignation of Judith Anne Collins\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002240ddfbcdd14ea351ea573ee2b9852200\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u00222a2d2fb1adcb30efebdd76d94da46a2c\u0022\u003ESocial Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002212715645fedd784edc96554e9d6d0264\u0022\u003ELegislative Statement\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022 data-id=\u0022e22c4d3192dc60314e6f554675bbc8f0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e22c4d3192dc60314e6f554675bbc8f0\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment) (14:59)\u003C/span\u003E: I present a legislative statement on the Social Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229426eadd2da54d13ae2f3045c39d3663\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: That legislative statement is published under the authority of the House and can be found on the Parliament website.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022c30b42a4fb2e68a10920ca73062b728c\u0022\u003EFirst Reading\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022 data-id=\u0022a39e1618d2b4388fa5f308ce618dafe2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a39e1618d2b4388fa5f308ce618dafe2\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment) (14:59)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the Social Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill be now read a first time\u003C/span\u003E. I nominate the Social Services and Community Committee to consider the bill. At the appropriate time I intend to move that the bill be reported to the House by 20 August 2026 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions), during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House, on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House, and outside the Wellington area, despite Standing Orders 193, 195, and 196.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Government believes that the welfare system should be a safety net for those who need it most. Our Government is concerned about welfare dependency, particularly among young New Zealanders who should be in work or study, rather than being on a benefit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Social Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill amends the Social Security Act 2018 to support fiscal sustainability in the welfare system by better targeting financial assistance to those most in need. This is the key goal of the bill. It reflects our Government\u2019s commitment to reduce benefit dependency and support long-term fiscal discipline in the welfare system. To achieve this goal, the bill introduces two key policy amendments that were part of Budget 2025 announcements. I would like to take this opportunity to touch on each of the two proposals.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EFirstly, the bill tightens the eligibility criteria for jobseeker support and the equivalent emergency benefit for 18- and 19-year-olds by introducing a parental assistance test. This means that when this initiative is implemented, young people will need to meet the parental assistance test criteria before they can access or continue to access one of these benefits. To meet the parental assistance test criteria, a young person will need to demonstrate that they have a support gap with their parents, meaning that they can\u2019t reasonably be expected to rely on their parents for financial support and/or that their parents earn under the parental income limit. If a young person has a support gap with all their parents, then they will be considered to meet the parental assistance test. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EModelling indicates that jobseeker support clients aged 18 and 19 are estimated to spend, on average, 21 future years supported by main benefit. Our Government has far greater aspirations for young New Zealanders than a life spent on welfare, and that\u2019s why, through this initiative, I\u2019m committed to reducing welfare dependency amongst young people, by encouraging them to enter employment, education, or training as the best options for their future. This initiative will set our young people up on a path to future success. It will reduce benefit dependency, and target welfare assistance to young people who have no other means of support. Young people who don\u2019t study or work and who can\u2019t support themselves financially should be supported by their parents, rather than taxpayers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis initiative is proposed to be implemented from 2 November this year. Young people already receiving jobseeker support will be required to complete a parental assistance test at their next 26-week application for jobseeker support after the go-live date, or their next application for the equivalent emergency benefit. If a client has already received a notice to reapply from the Ministry of Social Development before the go-live date, then they will not be required to complete the parental assistance test at their next reapplication, but at the reapplication after that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis change will not apply to 18- and 19-year-olds with dependent children, or to those applying for other benefit types such as the young parent payment or the supported living payment. This initiative builds on a range of measures that I have already introduced to encourage young people into work, such as phone-based employment case management and more places for young people to get community job-coaching.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe second amendment I am proposing through this bill is targeting the accommodation supplement more tightly to some homeowners with high weekly qualifying accommodation costs relative to their income and assets. From April next year, the entry threshold, or the minimum weekly contribution that some homeowners must make towards their housing costs, will increase from 30 percent to 40 percent of their income. The entry threshold settings have not been changed since the accommodation supplement was introduced more than 30 years ago. As the proportion of income commonly spent by households on accommodation costs has increased over the last three decades, there is a need to align the homeowner entry threshold with a higher accommodation cost in the current housing environment, particularly as these homeowners are being supported by the taxpayer to acquire a significant personal asset. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis change will not apply to renters or boarders. Homeowners who are receiving New Zealand Superannuation, the veteran\u2019s pension, the supported living payment, or the emergency benefit that is equivalent to supported living payment will not be impacted by this change, as they are likely to require longer-term social assistance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAny partner or spouse of a recipient of one of these benefits will also not be impacted by this change. This initiative will target the accommodation supplement to homeowners with the greatest need, while continuing to support some of the most vulnerable groups. It is crucial that we have a welfare system that supports those who have no other resources to rely on, while also encouraging those who can support themselves to take reasonable steps to do so. It reflects the expectations of most hard-working New Zealanders whose taxes go towards welfare payments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThese legislative changes are critical components of the Government\u0027s efforts to appropriately tighten access to welfare assistance and to ensure long-term fiscal discipline in the welfare system. These reforms will ensure that our welfare system continues to be a safety net for those who need it, while also encouraging young people to move into work, study, or training and requiring homeowners to contribute more towards their home ownership costs before they can receive taxpayers support to accumulate a personal asset. We will continue to support those who genuinely need State support, but our expectation will be that those who can support themselves will be supported by their parents and should be taking reasonable steps to do so. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a2d138cbb839455d9754acbe91a75102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fdea02bdbd62cc8720e20a9f877a81b4\u0022\u003ESPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229b8d22182614a1b8b6e8ef03bf61503\u0022 data-id=\u00229cfb8375194080f334b1b4277204c1a3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229b8d22182614a1b8b6e8ef03bf61503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229cfb8375194080f334b1b4277204c1a3\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour) (15:06)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. We do not agree to this bill. I want to start by making it very clear that this Government is making it worse for our young people, not better. The proposals in this legislation are going to make it even harder for our young people and their wh\u0101nau, who are already struggling in this cost of living crisis. Christopher Luxon promised to make the cost of living better, but things are getting worse. Everything costs more, the economy is weaker, and people are worse off. At this time when families are struggling with the cost of living crisis, this Government is making things worse for our rangatahi. Under this Government, we have seen 11,000 more young people on jobseeker support. We have seen more than 32,000 fewer jobs since National took office, and there are more than 100,000 young people not in education, training, or employment. This Government decides to kick those rangatahi while they are down and make it harder for them and their wh\u0101nau.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EI want to bring to your attention a story recently on Radio New Zealand where it was reported that there are thousands of those who are unemployed, who are on jobseeker benefit, who are looking for work in Te Tai Tokerau\u2014in Northland, in the far North, where thousands of people are out of jobs, out of work; and yet in Kaikohe, only 15 jobs advertised. What hope is there for our rangatahi when this Government is saying to those young people, \u201CWe want you to get a job\u201D, but\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227d19573a8ba4d8283b17374978c8ea2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac6690adedceaafd6892ad94c70f98be\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: They\u2019re welcome to go and prune kiwifruit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229b8d22182614a1b8b6e8ef03bf61503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cdc50479f53d939eeb40aa310532de4d\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014but Grant McCallum, member for Northland\u2014there are no jobs there for them. \u201CSo what will we do? We will punish those young people.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227d19573a8ba4d8283b17374978c8ea2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002299f950aa4bab6b1c404fb73e592d73bd\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: Why don\u2019t they go and prune kiwifruit?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229b8d22182614a1b8b6e8ef03bf61503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bbc421cbbd946cc13d9db3ebdd228b8\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, but you don\u0027t have the jobs yet. And yet you\u0027re going to take away their supports. You\u0027re going to make it harder for those young people and their families\u2014telling them to simply \u201CGo and find a job.\u201D when the member knows those jobs do not exist.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EThe debate across the House proves my point: where the other side of the House believe that these young people should simply get a job, when those jobs do not exist. I will remind the House: recent reporting from Radio New Zealand\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227d19573a8ba4d8283b17374978c8ea2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d34dee63d9563f0253716e09686c5670\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: Ha, ha! Rely on them?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229b8d22182614a1b8b6e8ef03bf61503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a4e28da0c73906eb78ca966dd765f1bc\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: Are they wrong? Are they wrong? Oh, I look forward to your contribution. Fifteen jobs were advertised on online\u2014[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E] Mr Speaker, I look forward to them making their calls and their contributions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESo we have young people who the regulatory impact statement says\u2014this was not their preferred option. What they recommended the Government do is actually invest in more programmes around employment, around education, around training; that this is going to come at a significant cost to these young people and their families, and that it is going to have potential detrimental effects on them further in life. The things that the Minister has said in her opening statement are what officials warn could be the result of this policy, and so this Government is doing the opposite of what the officials advised. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt has also cut funding to the Apprenticeship Boost, it has slashed M\u0101ori trades training, and it has recently broken yet another promise to young people by cutting the fees-free scheme. All of these things were in place to help our young people. Our young people need a plan and they need action to support them at this really important time in their life. Instead, we\u2019re going to punish these young people and their families. It was also pointed out that the cost of these policies was going to increase compliance burdens and potentially increase hardship and mental health issues. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThere is one other small issue that is covered in this bill, which is around the accommodation supplement, and what I will simply say again there is that it is going to make it harder for people who are already struggling in the middle of a cost of living crisis, with this Government increasing the percentage. These people are going to be worse off under what this Government is proposing to change in terms of the accommodation supplement. When people are struggling in a cost of living crisis, this Government continues to kick them while they are struggling, instead of looking at things to support families in a cost of living crisis. We do not support this bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022 data-id=\u002212f9827013f0e2482261badc17d816c4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002212f9827013f0e2482261badc17d816c4\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green) (15:11)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. This is yet another example of how this Government\u2019s priorities are to punch down on those who need our support while quite happily spending billions of dollars on landlords and on military equipment and telling low-income families that there\u2019s not enough for them. The changes in this bill will leave thousands of families worse off and, potentially, in hardship and struggling to afford their basic essentials.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019d love to know what $59 a week means for the Minister. Maybe for someone on her salary and wealth, it may not mean a lot, but $59 a week is a lifeline. It\u2019s a lifeline for low and middle income families who are affected by the changes to the eligibility of the accommodation supplement in this bill. It is literally what could prevent a family from being able to meet the costs of their bills or to put food on the table. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis is just so typical of the Minister because this is what she omitted in her speech. Of course she omitted the types of families that are going to be impacted by this because I don\u2019t think she wants the public to know. She doesn\u2019t want the public to know that 68 percent of the families affected by her changes to the accommodation supplement are families with children and that more than half of the families affected by her changes to the accommodation supplement are families on low incomes. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA huge proportion are people on jobseeker support\u2014people who are already struggling to make ends meet\u2014and for the families with children whom she is leaving worse off, she\u2019s leaving them worse off by $42 a week. Perhaps for a Minister on that salary it may just mean a couple of Uber Eats orders, but for a low-income family, it\u2019s literally their ability to make ends meet. She does not care. Next time that this Government talks about mum and dad homeowners, this is a reminder that this Government seems to hate those very same homeowners\u2014often first-time homeowners on low incomes\u2014that this bill is negatively affecting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhen it comes to the welfare changes, once again we have a Government that refuses to acknowledge that under no Government over the past hundred-plus years has there been enough jobs for every unemployed person out there. The system is built with unemployment at its core. That is how it is supposed to work, and if the Minister doesn\u2019t believe me, she can try and point to a period where there\u2019s been enough jobs compared to the amount of unemployed people out there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s of course telling, as well, that during the previous contribution, in relationship to comments around how there\u2019s a high rate of unemployment up north, the New Zealand First Party resorted to, basically, blaming it on migrants, once again. It is as though they seem to claim that now they don\u2019t support the Recognised Seasonal Employer scheme, which is just incredibly baffling. I dare them to actually come out and say that they\u2019ll cancel it, since that seems to be their problem when it comes to youth unemployment. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EStripping young people of support and leaving their parents worse off will not lead to better outcomes.  The Government\u2019s own officials recognised that, if anything, it would lead to more costs in people needing hardship assistance to make ends meet. That seems to be the solution.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIf this was a Government that wanted to invest in our young people, they would not be cutting graduate programmes, so that people who go into education have a job to go to. If they were serious about young people going into education and then being able to find a job in the field they trained in, they wouldn\u2019t be cutting thousands of jobs in the public sector. If this was a Government that was serious about supporting young people into employment, they would be investing in apprenticeship schemes, as opposed to leaving young people without opportunities. It is no wonder so many people see Australia across the ditch, removed from many of their support networks, as often the only viable means of survival. It doesn\u2019t have to be this way. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis bill is a piece of rubbish, and it\u2019s really telling that this Minister doesn\u2019t want it to have adequate scrutiny by giving it only three months at the select committee stage. Why are they in such a rush? Are they worried that experts and community members will come and trash it, as they rightfully will, or is that they\u2019re just in a rush to desperately save money, taking it from the families who are struggling the most so that they can claim that they are now investing in military equipment, in landlords, and fossil fuel companies. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis is a Government that has its priorities upside down. For all their talk about how fossil fuels will lead to more jobs, I dare them to look at the evidence that shows that this will simply not happen, because we haven\u2019t found fossil fuels offshore in decades. Anyway, we will look forward to scrutinising this bill as it deserves, and the Green Party will not be supporting it and will take the first opportunity to get rid of it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221a30b7d60a03452cb9b736efc6896cdb\u0022 data-id=\u00221383c9923720dc41727fc8ffaeb8a877\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a30b7d60a03452cb9b736efc6896cdb\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221383c9923720dc41727fc8ffaeb8a877\u0022\u003EDr PARMJEET PARMAR (ACT) (15:16)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I\u2019m taking this call on behalf of the ACT Party to support the first reading of the Social Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill. Listening to that previous speech, clearly it shows that they don\u2019t respect taxpayers\u2019 contributions, that people work really, really hard to make in the form of tax.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOn this side, we think this bill basically is about spending taxpayers\u2019 money in a fair and responsible manner. That is what this bill does. Yes, it does tighten eligibility for a couple of criteria for which people receive support from welfare. That should be done time to time when we see the circumstances are changing and the way our communities operate are changing, and we need to change our systems as well. Moreover, it\u2019s really important to note that the welfare system is to provide a safety net, and that is how it should be seen. We also want to make sure that the welfare system remains sustainable for people who really need it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe two changes that this bill makes\u2014one change of course, that the Minister has already talked about, is about teenagers. When they turn 18 and 19, they receive jobseeker support. Bringing in the parental assistance test is actually a really good thing we have seen so many families continue to support children in their families when they turn 18 and 19 to get into employment or to continue their education or to get into training. People should not expect that welfare should support them when they have the support available from their family. That\u2019s why this change is a good change. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe second change about strengthening the threshold or changing the threshold for the accommodation supplement for homeowners is another good approach here, which basically shows that, yes, we take spending through the welfare system very responsibly. I hear members on the other side, the Opposition, saying that this is a very harsh approach, and I would say to these members that a policy should not be judged by how much we are spending but it should be judged on the basis of how targeted it is. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhat this bill does is it is bringing a targeted approach, because it\u2019s quite clear, in this bill, that support for young people\u2014those who turn 18 and 19\u2014will be available if their family circumstances are such that they don\u2019t have the support from their family, but where the support is there, then, yes, they should not be expecting support from taxpayers. I\u2019m sure these young people will respect that too, and their families will respect that too. Overall, this bill strikes the right balance, and the ACT Party is supporting this bill. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225f6c5b1a97f24773a8aaeb3a8e3b0e7b\u0022 data-id=\u0022a76306784664dab3fc0bf4782851d8c6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225f6c5b1a97f24773a8aaeb3a8e3b0e7b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a76306784664dab3fc0bf4782851d8c6\u0022\u003EJAMIE ARBUCKLE (NZ First) (15:19)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise on behalf of New Zealand First to support the Social Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill. As we\u2019ve heard, there are two aspects to this bill. Firstly, there is the tightening of the eligibility for jobseeker support for young people aged between 18 and 19 and, in specific cases, between 16 and 17 years.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ELast night, I had the honour of representing the New Zealand First Party at the start of Youth Week here in Parliament. I actually stood there, while I was on stage, and looked across at all the young people in that event, and thought, \u201CWe don\u2019t want our young people on jobseeker\u201D, and that should be the first thing from any Government and from any person in this House. We should be having three aspirations, and one of them is a young person going into employment. As the Minister on my right here correctly said during another speech, those opportunities, especially in our primary industries and our orchards\u2014there are an abundance of jobs there and opportunities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIf they can\u2019t get into employment, into training and education is where they need to be heading, and where we need to be encouraging our young people. We do not want to have young people going on jobseeker and having decades of dependence on benefits, and we\u2019re seeing, over time, how that is a waste of their time, a waste of resources. We have, in this, a parental assistance test to make sure that there is a back block to understand the test that will be put in place. New Zealand First has always championed a welfare state umbrella to meet the general and deserving needs of people, but we can\u2019t have human and economic waste\u2014what is a blight on the nation\u2019s productivity, our youngest people on jobseeker\u2014so we want greater parental responsibility.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe second aspect is the accommodation supplement for student homeowners, and it\u2019s around that qualifying income. Homeowners, there\u2019s that entry threshold for the accommodation supplement, and, currently, that sits at 30\u00A0percent. Through this bill, it looks like it\u2019s being reviewed, and it hasn\u2019t been reviewed since 1993, so looking at reviewing that from that 30\u00A0percent to 40\u00A0percent of the current housing costs. What that does is try to make sure it remains\u2014that it\u2019s targeted, and New Zealand First is really happy that it\u2019s not targeting specified persons. In the bill, we\u2019re talking about New Zealand people on superannuation or veterans\u2019 pensions; they\u2019re specified people in that they won\u2019t have their qualifying income tested.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAs you know, also, New Zealand First, we have a top-line, as our leader says\u2014a top-line for superannuation at 65. It\u2019s something that is non-negotiable. It\u2019s a bedrock for our policy, so keeping that superannuation at 65 in a policy like this, that\u2019s written in legislation, is really important for people that are receiving superannuation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand First will be very interested in the submissions along this. We do understand around hardship\u2014that may be cause for lower income earners, that 30 to 40 percent step that I\u2019ve mentioned, through submissions, I think we, as a committee, can give that a lot of thought, understand the impact on those people, and I look forward to the select committee process. I commend this bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223b11bafcf5b5427480393ffeef4fe6e8\u0022 data-id=\u0022303ea20da2fb133cb9ee777e5e600112\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223b11bafcf5b5427480393ffeef4fe6e8\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022303ea20da2fb133cb9ee777e5e600112\u0022\u003EORIINI KAIPARA (Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014T\u0101maki Makaurau) (15:23)\u003C/span\u003E: \u003Cspan lang=\u0022mi\u0022\u003EE te P\u012Bka, t\u0113n\u0101 koe\u003C/span\u003E. I rise on behalf of Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori as the member for T\u0101maki Makaurau, and in solidarity with all our M\u0101ori electorates from Muriwhenua to Murihiku, because this bill is going to hit hapori M\u0101ori the hardest. It will push wh\u0101nau already suffering further into the margins and it targets our rangatahi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThere are 263,620 rangatahi aged between 16 and 19 here in Aotearoa. Around 92,000 are M\u0101ori, and a majority of those rangatahi M\u0101ori reside in my rohe of T\u0101maki Makaurau. These aren\u2019t mere numbers; they are future leaders, and the future of our future leaders is being risked by this Government. This bill is testament to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIntroducing a parental assistance test for 16- to 19-year-olds seeking jobseeker support assumes that all rangatahi have parents who can support them, that every home is safe, and that every wh\u0101nau has spare money. Well, that\u2019s not the reality, and that is not the case in every M\u0101ori electorate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s tough in T\u0101maki Makaurau. The cost of living is brutal. Homelessness is beyond crisis point. Access to tertiary education has been narrowed even more by this Government, and yet its solution is to blame and then burden parents\u2014parents who are often working multiple jobs. This bill weaponises bureaucracy against our wh\u0101nau. It tells our rangatahi to go back home and prove your hardship before we will help you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn Te Tai Tokerau, youth unemployment is high and housing is precarious. Forcing rangatahi to rely on parents who may themselves be on benefits or in unstable work will push them further into unreported hardship, into unsafe homes, or simply out of the system altogether.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn Hauraki-Waikato, intergenerational poverty and low wages mean many wh\u0101nau are already stretched. This bill demands that parents carry even more while their tamariki are denied direct access to support unless they can prove that their parents\u2019 income and circumstances are valid.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn Waiariki, seasonal and tourism-based work means income rises and falls. Rangatahi often rely on jobseeker support between jobs on training. Tightening access will push them into debt and desperation, not into stable employment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn Te Tai Hau\u0101uru, many of our young people must leave their rohe to study or to work. This bill punishes that move by insisting that they still rely on parental support even when distance, cost, or wh\u0101nau circumstances makes that unrealistic.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn Te Tai Tonga, from Porirua to the deep South, the cost of living and housing is rising while incomes lag behind. Rangatahi M\u0101ori there will face yet another barrier to accessing the basic support\u2014basic support\u2014that they need to stand on their own feet.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAcross all seven M\u0101ori electorates, the pattern is the same. This bill makes survival harder for rangatahi and then it blames them for struggling. If this Government truly wanted more rangatahi in education, then why repeal fees-free? Why keep the parental income threshold for student allowances frozen? Why make it harder to live and then lecture them about personal responsibility?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe bill also raises the accommodation supplement threshold from 30 to 40 percent of income, which will force some homeowners to spend almost half of their income on housing before they can even qualify for any help. Mortgages and rates are sky-high across the country, but not more so than in my rohe of T\u0101maki Makaurau. Raising that threshold\u2014the threshold rates\u2014is going to raise hardship rates. It\u2019s going to push wh\u0101nau closer to arrears and foreclosures. It\u2019s going to force the wh\u0101nau in Te Tai Hau\u0101uru to choose between heating and kai, and it pushes the people of Te Wai Pounamu, who are most vulnerable and exposed to the realities of winter, and winter is coming.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ERemember, M\u0101ori are underrepresented among homeowners precisely because of land loss, precisely because of discriminatory policy and economic exclusion. This bill does nothing to fix that, it simply tightens the screws on those who have managed to hold on. Who is that? The wealthy few.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan lang=\u0022mi\u0022\u003EKei taku iwi M\u0101ori, anei taku k\u014Drero ki a koutou.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003ETo my M\u0101ori people, this is my comment to you.\u003C/span\u003E]\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis bill does not target support; it strips it away. It does not encourage independence; it punishes poverty. It does not ensure sustainability; it entrenches inequity. It goes without saying that Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori does not support this bill or any bill that keeps kicking our people while they\u2019re down instead of lifting them into position for prosperity.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00221a8ff6e3602c492880b65258f59645c0\u0022 data-id=\u00223c3da31b4ec449cf24850e4beed9a20c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00221a8ff6e3602c492880b65258f59645c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223c3da31b4ec449cf24850e4beed9a20c\u0022\u003EDANA KIRKPATRICK (National\u2014East Coast) (15:28)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. Look, I just thought it might be time to add a little bit of balance into this, perhaps. What I think that the Opposition has forgotten in debating this bill is that there\u2019s a thing called the student allowance and there\u2019s a thing called training and there is a thing called responsibility and accountability. What we want to see is young people in training or in work. If you go to work and you\u2019re on the minimum wage, you can earn up to about $950 a week\u2014that\u2019s a lot of money. If you want to go do some training, which sets you up, gives you some skills, creates some networks and some opportunities, you will get paid a student allowance, which will help you and will help pay your bills.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003ELet\u2019s just be very clear that it\u2019s not about stripping away every cent that somebody is able to get from the Government. We are here to help but we want young people to aspire to work or training and I commend the bill to the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022 data-id=\u00225341f2170970cb2f555f1a4da389540e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225341f2170970cb2f555f1a4da389540e\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert) (15:29)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Speaker. I just remember, when there was the last election on, how much talk there was of how people could expect support from a National Government: they were going to get a better life. How\u2019s it going? Actually, something like this matters to people. It matters to people who\u2019ve got a couple of kids and are on the median income. Do you know how much the median income is? It is, I think, $69,000\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249b64e9a84c11d8001af53d5da8bbb6d\u0022\u003EHon Dr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: Here you go, Helen.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222b5a4b238a1a67644731d77cecfab3fb\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. He\u2019s just lending me his glasses, and I should use them. There is an issue with those kinds of incomes in this country. People actually don\u2019t have a lot of money. That\u2019s the median income. It\u2019s not the low incomes that a lot of people will be on; it is right in the middle. We are sitting in a situation where this Government has created greater unemployment, and those numbers of unemployed sit in the youth sector. There are huge amounts of our kids who are not getting jobs, because this Government has decided to run the economy in a certain way. It has decided that its priority is not employment. I hear it\u2014I hear it a lot. I hear the Government say, \u201CDon\u2019t worry, trickle down, we\u2019ll get there in the end.\u201D Well, it\u2019s still waiting. They say, \u201CIt\u2019s all right. It\u2019s the last factor that\u2019s going to come right.\u201D Well, we\u2019re still waiting, and crickets.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s not the last factor that comes right for me; it\u2019s the first. It\u2019s the first thing I care about: whether people can get jobs. Instead of making sure that people can get jobs in this area, we are going out on some sort of parental criticism, where people have to be responsible for their own children. Twenty-five percent unemployment, and it\u2019s all the parents\u2019 fault! They can\u2019t possibly be accommodated, even though they are actually finding it hard to make ends meet! Why shouldn\u2019t we help this group of people? Why shouldn\u2019t we help this group of youth, and why shouldn\u2019t we help their parents? Why have we got into this blaming culture, where the Prime Minister talks about how they could take a Marmite sandwich to school, and Dana Kirkpatrick gets up and tells us about self-responsibility? Well, I actually think it is time for a change of Government, because I want to see a Government that actually gets it\u2014that understands that, if you are on $69,000 to $70,000, it\u2019s pretty tough. We\u2019re not on that. In here, we\u2019re not on that. We are on a lot more money than that in Parliament.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s really important we never lose sight of the fact that, if you\u2019ve got a couple of kids at school and a couple of teenagers and you\u2019re on that kind of money, it\u2019s incredibly tough. It isn\u2019t a case of self-responsibility or self-discipline, or winners or losers. It\u2019s none of those things. It\u2019s to do with the decision that was made by this Government to make sure that the unemployment issue was just not one that was prioritised. Do you remember, when there was first a change in Government, one of the first things this Government did was get rid of that measure from the Reserve Bank\u2019s decision-making. They weren\u2019t allowed to look at employment any more. That turned out to be something that was not prioritised by this Government, who said\u2014promised people\u2014that they were going to be better off and looked after. Well, they\u2019re not. They are not back on track. They are actually in a much worse financial position, and when a fuel crisis comes rolling along, they\u2019ve got no savings and now they\u2019re being told, \u201CSelf-responsibility\u201D, \u201CLook after your children\u201D\u2014who, by the way, are unemployed, when they wouldn\u2019t have been under a Labour Government\u2014\u201CLook after your children when they are that age.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EActually, I\u2019d rather see some efforts, some real efforts, going into getting those people employed and into prioritising employment. This is coming to my select committee, and I will be asking as many questions as I can during this process, because I think this kind of patronising, judgmental, completely out-of-touch Government needs to go, and this piece of legislation needs to go to. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022f0d31505882949b1a768aad60863fba9\u0022 data-id=\u00226e1fee37e35fef33ea75fd69e7ad6bbc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022f0d31505882949b1a768aad60863fba9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226e1fee37e35fef33ea75fd69e7ad6bbc\u0022\u003EJOSEPH MOONEY (National\u2014Southland) (15:34)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. The Government is strengthening the fiscal sustainability of the welfare system by better targeting support to those in need. These changes reflect our firm, fair, and simple approach to welfare. That last speech kind of sums up the difference between the left and the right. The last speaker, Helen White, is a lovely lady, she\u2019s well intentioned, but parents need to be responsible for their own children. The left thinks that the State should be responsible for everyone\u2014that they should be the parent for everyone. That is not how our country will be successful.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhen I was a young 17-year-old looking at who I was going to vote for in the first MMP election, which was three days after my 18\u003Csup\u003Eth\u003C/sup\u003E birthday, I was a young guy who came from a hard background, no money sometimes, no food sometimes. We had things pretty tough. I was working my butt off to try to get out of those difficult situations. I looked through all the election manifestos of the different parties to try to figure out who I was going to vote for in my very first election. Why did I go with the centre right? Limited Government. I knew, from my background, that the Government doesn\u2019t help poor people. I needed every cent I could get to try to get out of that. Lower taxes: I wanted every cent I could get to try to help lift myself up\u2014not think that the Government was going to do it for me. Self-responsibility: I knew I needed to take responsibility for myself, and I needed to work to try to change my reality, not expect a Government to do it for me, because I knew that would not realistically happen. Reward for achievement: why? I wanted to be rewarded for the work I did, and if I worked harder and did more, I wanted to be rewarded for that. So I chose to vote for a National Government way back in the first MMP election, and I\u2019m here today as an MP, and I\u2019m proud.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe do not want our young people sitting on benefits. We want them to be in employment, we want them to be in education, or we want them to be in training, not sitting on a benefit. There is no hope and no opportunity for them in that. The State will not save them. They need to learn the skills to give themselves the sense of a future. That\u2019s what we\u2019re here for, and the opportunity New Zealanders to vote for that is in November. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00227f988bc72b5e47b8856ba70e41dfbbaf\u0022 data-id=\u002271da442d5da621270ffa1e347f56f895\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00227f988bc72b5e47b8856ba70e41dfbbaf\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002271da442d5da621270ffa1e347f56f895\u0022\u003EGEORGIE DANSEY (Labour) (15:37)\u003C/span\u003E: At a time when the cost of living is at an all-time high, the Government decides that now is the time to cut entitlements. This bill will apply a parental assistance test\u2014income threshold and parental gap test\u2014to restrict the eligibility criteria for jobseeker support and the equivalent emergency benefit for young people aged 18 and 19. The Government was given a range of options\u2014five policy options, in fact\u2014to address how they could assist young people into work, and they chose to go with the cheapest option. They decided to go with the most cost-effective option for them, to the detriment of our young people.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt doesn\u2019t add up. Most of the burden of this cost will fall on 4,300 young people and their families, who will no longer be eligible for support. Not only will the young person miss out, but their parents will now have an additional monetary burden as well. This policy will place additional compliance requirements on young people, both in their initial application for support and reapplications. That means more compliance costs for the Ministry of Social Development and those administering the means testing. It really puts young people at risk, and the reason it does is that, if a young person is in a situation where their parents do not provide support, there is a risk they won\u2019t have any support at all. My question is around the test for this. What constitutes when a young person cannot reasonably be expected to rely on their parents for financial support? How do we meet that test? There is a huge risk here that young people will miss out simply because their parents will not, for whatever reason, support them. Every single one of us has complicated relationships with our parents, and we are not in a position to judge how complicated that relationship is. Young people will miss out on support, at all, due to this test.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis is the part that doesn\u2019t add up for me. There are 40,000 fewer people employed than when Luxon took office. Not only are there not jobs for young people; they are also getting their entitlements cut while they\u2019re looking for a job. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EYoung people not in employment, education, or training is up to 60 percent. This Government is giving young people no option: there are no jobs, there are no opportunities for training, and now they don\u2019t even get the support they need to get into those positions. The Government is kicking young people off income support just to make its books add up. It is making life harder for New Zealanders just to meet their targets. The bill is simply about saving the Government money at the expense of our young people. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Government is going against advice received from MSD on this matter. As I\u2019ve mentioned, there were five policy options, and they went for the cheap one. MSD advised that the Government should be investing in education, training, and employment for young people, and those members were like \u201CNah, don\u2019t think so\u2014not today.\u201D, but, instead, they\u2019re going to cut services by the Minister. Apprenticeship Boost is gone from this Government, M\u0101ori trades training is gone from this Government, and now the fees-free scheme for university students is gone from this Government.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn the midst of a cost of living crisis, this Government is making it harder to get by. People are working hard and getting nowhere. Pay doesn\u2019t stretch, bills keep going up, and this is all happening at a time when record numbers of Kiwis are leaving the country for better opportunities overseas. If we don\u2019t have any jobs for our young people and we\u2019re not supporting them, they will continue to move to Australia. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Labour Party believes in having a more affordable New Zealand, right here in Aotearoa. On that basis, we cannot support this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c96149a439844ecfa86967f9caf5f50d\u0022 data-id=\u00225094f3daa10d3a8b7344129e867629aa\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c96149a439844ecfa86967f9caf5f50d\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225094f3daa10d3a8b7344129e867629aa\u0022\u003EKATIE NIMON (National\u2014Napier) (15:42)\u003C/span\u003E: Look, honestly, it astounds me, or, actually, it doesn\u2019t really surprise me at all\u2014the difference between this side of the House, or the Government side, and the Opposition. Ultimately, as the Minister has said, this is a safety net and a backstop, not an entitlement, as the Opposition has so pointed out. Every single person that leaves high school in this country should have a promising pathway into education and further work.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EActually, for those people that cannot find jobs and cannot get into education\u2014if the Opposition thinks that it\u2019s just happening to every single young person, which is not what I am seeing\u2014there is still a safety net for them to be supported financially. But those people who are financially able to be supported by their families should be, and they should actually be encouraged into work and training because that is the country that we need to see. We need to see opportunities for our kids, and if we let them stay at home, then we will. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the Social Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill be now read a first time\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill read a first time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022583fb8ed658f148a534f5ee1d0b945d2\u0022\u003EReferral to Select Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022 data-id=\u0022cb073cd06b891f07c4969be2a97e1430\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cb073cd06b891f07c4969be2a97e1430\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh) (15:44)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the Social Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill be considered by the Social Services and Community Committee\u003C/span\u003E. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill referred to Social Services and Community Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u00221d82806047b4d0de08779118c6ff3862\u0022\u003EInstruction to Select Committee\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022 data-id=\u0022c7c2fd67055d0ec9f3ed28f59ee6b23a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c7c2fd67055d0ec9f3ed28f59ee6b23a\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON (Minister for Social Development and Employment) (15:44)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the Social Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill be reported to the House by 20 August 2026 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions), during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House, on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House, and outside the Wellington area, despite Standing Orders 193, 195, and 196\u003C/span\u003E. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EOur Government\u2019s priority is getting young people off benefit and into\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8d41d4ee22e590ec0f9ff60386b2dc5\u0022\u003EHon Dr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Madam Speaker. I apologise for interrupting the Minister, but the motion that she has just put has to be put under Standing Order 295, which refers to the member\u2019s first reading speech. In Standing Order 295(1)(b), it says that \u201Cif it is proposed to move any special powers or instruction in respect of the committee\u2019s consideration of the bill, [it must] indicate the terms of that proposed motion.\u201D Now, in the member\u2019s first reading speech \u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e5d399207b6279031271f654404091cd\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: I did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022701cde28646f3c06935be4cdfe2f04e5\u0022\u003EHon Dr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014she did mention the report-back date, which was 20 August, but she did not mention\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203c63c13855b835070c9b6706be2f9b8\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, I did.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220665837f30578b5b2de5bf53abb26f3c\u0022\u003EHon Dr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014any other special powers whatsoever.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EIf you turn to Standing Order 298(1), it says that \u201CWhen the House has determined the committee to consider the bill, and if the terms of a motion for any special powers or instruction in respect of the committee\u2019s consideration of the bill have been indicated \u2026  the member in charge may move that motion.\u201D So she can only move a motion that refers to the special powers that she has referred to, and the only special power she referred to was the truncated report-back time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223fc70d9e1e95d4ffce544930481cd351\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: Speaking to the point of order, I am repeating exactly what I said before I started my first reading speech, and the member must have missed that. If he wants to refer back, I can give him a copy of the speech that I read at the time, but it was also in the drill sheet, which absolutely gave the same instruction that I have just moved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c87a1165b4346baf4a27586390fcc91f\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: I took advice from the Clerk, who also confirms that the Minister is within the Standing Orders.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a1901a44e88e40d095f26c06ebac9721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d80ca4b9de846db205ae4784ee1478d7\u0022\u003EHon LOUISE UPSTON\u003C/span\u003E: Our Government absolutely sees it as a priority to get young people into earning or learning and not starting a life on welfare. This initiative is absolutely intended to reduce benefit dependency amongst young people, encouraging them to enter further training, work, or study. That\u2019s why we have set the report-back date as 20 August\u2014we want to ensure that we\u2019re able to get on to this soon. This was well-signalled. It was in Budget 2025, and so young people and their families have had a long time to get used to this expectation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EWe want more for young people; it is urgent. Our Government, the members on this side of the House, see the future of young people isn\u2019t something that should be wasted. As I said before in my first reading speech, 18- and 19-year-olds who currently go on to welfare are, on average, going to spend another 21 years on welfare. It\u2019s simply not good enough, and that\u2019s why we are dealing with this at pace. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022 data-id=\u0022abb8b68ffcdb731fd3edf10edda77a02\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022abb8b68ffcdb731fd3edf10edda77a02\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green) (15:47)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you so much, Madam Speaker. I would like to take a call on this referral motion, and I just wanted to comment on a few things the Minister said in her call. First of all, she made the argument that because this was well signalled in advance, it justifies having a three-month report-back date, and I don\u2019t think that actually stacks up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Green Party is not supporting it for the reason that if the Minister had signalled that this was going to come well in advance, she could have introduced this bill earlier and allowed it to have adequate select committee scrutiny. In between her announcement and now, there hasn\u2019t been the opportunity for public submissions and there hasn\u2019t been the opportunity for members of the Opposition to engage in the select committee process with officials. I just think it\u2019s outrageous that for whatever reason the Minister and the Government chose not to introduce this bill earlier, now we\u2019re seeing a justification that just because she mentioned it was coming, it therefore deserves less than adequate scrutiny. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think that\u2019s a disservice because in the period between now and 20 August, I am particularly concerned that despite the powers that the Minister is proposing for the committee to meet outside of sitting days, etc., in those three months we\u2019ve got scrutiny week and we\u2019ve got Budget week. We\u2019ve got the significant amount of extended sitting hours that we\u2019ve seen over the past few months, and a record amount of the use of urgency, which, in my view, will\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227d19573a8ba4d8283b17374978c8ea2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002291aad561c2a9165e2c20f8805d433d2d\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s called working hard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d2f33a69634c6057ef7db1d3c771016\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: Well, none the less\u2014really? I hear the member say that they think this equates to working hard, as opposed to undermining democracy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other argument is that ultimately this, at least for sitting days\u2014and the members of the Government will know this\u2014will only leave, say, like 8 to 9 and 1 to 2 on the Wednesdays, as per usual when there\u2019s extended sitting hours or urgency being used by the Government, which massively prevents adequate public engagement on the bill. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think also that the use of select committee hearings during adjournment ultimately creates an opportunity cost for every MP\u2014list or electorate only\u2014in terms of whether we spend time in, say, the community or engaging in the select committee process. I just think that there\u2019s no solid justification provided by the Minister on this. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMy concern, as well as that, with the three-month period is that we\u2019re likely to see a shortened amount of time that people can make for submissions. Now, if we look at the demographics of who is impacted by this bill\u2014and I would assume that everyone, Government or Opposition, would want to see people who are impacted by this bill submit on this bill\u2014we\u2019re talking about working families on low incomes. I assume some of these working families on low incomes may be working multiple jobs. These are some of the families that, as I mentioned in my speech, may see an up to $59 a week reduction to their weekly income, which is significant. Now, if you reduce the select committee scrutiny and likely reduce the amount of time there is for submissions or the period for people to choose a time slot that can best accommodate their schedule, you\u2019re also more likely to see those working families on low incomes disproportionately impacted by the bill less able to participate in the process. This really undermines people\u2019s ability to give feedback on what it will mean for the 68 percent of working families on low and middle incomes that will see an average of $42 less in their accommodation supplement. We will see less of those kinds of demographics represented in the select committee. I think that\u2019s a disservice to the process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe challenge that I have, particularly in the lack of synchronicity between what the Minister has said and the document that we have in front of us, is that the Minister talks about how this is a targeted approach, but the evidence in front of us talks about how people may be likely put into hardship as a result of the provisions of this bill, including working families. I\u2019m really concerned about that lack of scrutiny.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, when it comes to the shortened select committee process\u2014and particularly I want to focus, now, on engaging with officials\u2014one of the challenges I have had with a lot of these saving initiatives\u2014and I think of, for example, one of the previous bills we\u2019ve had in the Social Services and Community Committee that reduce the amount that people with boarders can receive when it comes to the accommodation supplement\u2014is that we were told at the time, on that bill, for example, that the savings that will be produced were unclear, because you may be saving some money by taking the accommodation supplement from some groups, but then those groups, as we were advised by the Government, may need to access other types of Government assistance, like hardship grants, student allowance, etc. It\u2019s very similar to what we\u2019re seeing in these bills. The same advice has been produced. My concern is that if we have a shortened select committee process, we won\u2019t be able to adequately scrutinise and unpack what\u2019s the projected amount that people may need from Work and Income to make up for the loss of the accommodation supplement in the form of hardship assistance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhen you have a shortened select committee process, we encounter the issue that when you ask some of the more complex questions to officials, they\u2019re having to work under humungous time pressures, and, due to those time pressures, sometimes we\u2019re not able to receive\u2014not through a fault of the officials themselves but just through the time pressures they\u2019re facing\u2014the robust answers that, I think, we and the public that is interested in this bill deserve. That\u2019s another reason why we are concerned and do not support this referral motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think this is particularly important\u2014I think of some of the other bills that have similar cost-saving initiatives and affect people who receive the accommodation supplement. I have yet been able to find out through my written questions, etc., how much people have seen a reduction to their accommodation supplement. Therefore, we\u2019re none the wiser of how much the Government has actually saved through those previous saving initiatives to the accommodation supplement. As we go on to the scrutiny of this bill, and well knowing that the previous saving initiatives have yielded nebulous results, I think, you know, it\u2019s all the more reason to have a really proper select committee process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, I wanted to touch on some of the hours that the select committee will likely end up sitting under extended hours and urgency. I know I mentioned that briefly, but I\u2019m just going to expand on that a bit. When we think about working families working multiple jobs, often to make ends meet or just with really long working hours, because often, at least on sitting weeks, we end up just having the 8 till 9 and 1 till 2 p.m. slots during extended sitting and urgency, which is almost becoming, more often, the default than otherwise, we\u2019re, effectively, asking working people to forego their lunch break to make a submission. We\u2019re often asking working families\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002227d19573a8ba4d8283b17374978c8ea2\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d89733f860e63d401be2bde01e8c23ea\u0022\u003EGrant McCallum\u003C/span\u003E: Working hard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222139dc0710e6381758c17d8643f536cb\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: \u2014to\u2014well, they may claim that they\u2019re working hard, but it is part of our jobs, and the member Grant McCallum may be getting paid to listen to submissions, but working families are not getting paid to contribute to how this bill will affect them. If you\u2019re asking them to give up whatever small break they have during their shift, I think this is a bit of a disservice and almost disrespect, I think, to the working families who are indeed working very hard and are working even extra hard unpaid to try and analyse how this bill will impact them and to try and contribute to the democratic process which they should be afforded more flexibility over. Again, I don\u2019t think this goes against the idea that working families are working hard or otherwise; this speaks to the fact that because working families are working so hard, we\u2019re actually restricting their ability to constructively engage on this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other reason why I\u2019m concerned about the shortened select committee process is that we know that there will be a substantial amount of people with complex caregiving responsibilities. Now, in the advice presented to us on this bill, we know that a significant proportion of the people impacted by the removal of support when they\u2019re homeowners and they need the accommodation supplement are people on sole parent support. We\u2019re talking about how people who may be the sole caregivers may be working while also having caregiving responsibilities. When you put people with strenuous caregiving responsibilities and work responsibilities with a tightened schedule and reduced hours to submit, you again end up more likely to exclude those very same people on sole parent support.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other group that I\u2019m particularly concerned about that may be left with less accommodating time slots as a result of this referral motion are the sick and disabled people captured in the jobseeker medical that they would have been able to access\u2014this is for the 18- and 19-year-olds. We know that around one in five, if I recall correctly, of the people impacted by the bill who are 18-, 19-year-olds are people who would have been in jobseeker medical. Now, that\u2019s a big proportion of people who have health conditions, who, I think, deserve an adequate select committee process so that we can accommodate those health conditions for them to give their views. Leaving people who are facing ill health or are disabled with less abilities to participate, I think, does a disservice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThese are some of the reasons why I just wanted to add my objections to the referral motion. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022 data-id=\u00224bdd967bc98fdb563fbf71296b7cb130\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224bdd967bc98fdb563fbf71296b7cb130\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB (Labour\u2014Christchurch Central) (15:57)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I do want to speak to this motion. The Minister simply said this is urgent, which I must say is barely an excuse. It\u2019s usual for a Minister to give somewhat more substantive reasons, so I think it\u2019s entirely appropriate that we do kind of interrogate exactly what those reasons are. It may be that someone on the other side of the House can take a call on this and give us some further detail.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOne of the concerns is that, really, when you think about what a select committee does, there\u2019s a lot of steps to it. I\u2019m sure some of my colleagues will speak to the stakeholders who want to have a say in this process, but even if we just think about the period of time that submissions are going to be open for, it\u2019s likely, because this is basically a halving of the normal process\u2014so if we were to half that, it would be a three-week period, which is actually a very short time. The bill may not be a large bill but it\u2019s a complicated bill because of what it\u2019s doing and because the benefits framework and the accommodation supplement framework is a network. That three-week period in and of itself is a very short period of time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAs the member Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March pointed out, we\u2019ve got Budget urgency coming up, we\u2019ve got extended sittings, so when you think of the next step, which is that initial briefing\u2014now, first of all, the first thing to note is that officials now have less time to prepare that initial briefing. So whereas previously, once the bill was introduced, they could look at what the bill does and how best to communicate that to members, they\u2019ve got a truncated period for that and they have to squeeze it into a period where you\u2019ve got Budget urgency next week, you\u2019ve got recess, and, given the Government\u2019s busy agenda, who knows when they will be able to put that in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThen, of course, once you get that out of the way, which, if you think about what\u2019s going on\u2014you\u2019ve got a three-week submission period, you\u2019ve got recesses, and you might be a month in already\u2014then you\u2019re going to have to try and get hearings in.  Now, hearings are the centrepiece of the select committee process, and my concern is that this is going to be a rushed process, and so the select committee, which of course is dominated by Government members who will say, \u201CWe won\u2019t listen to everyone. We haven\u2019t really got enough time. Let\u2019s give a few people five minutes here or 10 minutes there, and let\u2019s cherry-pick the submissions that we hear from.\u201D That\u2019s not good enough, because this is everybody\u2019s Parliament, and we want to make sure that the time for hearing submissions isn\u2019t rushed. Certainly, in the Justice Committee, we\u2019ve seen people who have wanted to be heard not be heard, because this Government is rushing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis is yet another thing where they\u2019re making some substantial changes to our benefit system, and even if we supported them\u2014which we don\u2019t\u2014we\u2019d want to have a really good look at them and listen properly to the people who want to be heard. Then, of course, and this is the critical bit, there may be some real wrinkles. Even if we accepted the objectives of what the Government wants to do, there may be some real wrinkles about how it\u2019s going to be implemented, and that\u2019s the great benefit of the select committee process. That is when officials stand back and say, \u201CWhat have we heard? What issues have been raised by members, and does this legislation properly implement the policy it intends to implement?\u201D That\u2019s when we see the departmental report, when those officials come back and provide a report to the select committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThat is the process, and when officials are told we want something in two weeks or three weeks, I see the sorrow in their eyes as you say that, because they want to do a good job. They actually want to come back and serve the Government. These are the public servants that are under the hammer, of course, but they\u2019re public servants that want to do a good job and want to help the Government implement their policies, but they\u2019re being stopped by the Government because they\u2019re not being given enough time to do a good job. This halving the select committee process is really problematic there. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOf course, the other thing that I haven\u2019t talked about yet is what members do, because it\u2019s important for us to read all those submissions, to listen carefully, and to think about it, because we\u2019re doing a job not dissimilar to officials. We\u2019re standing back, absorbing all that information, and then going forward and trying to work through how to do the best job we can. That\u2019s when we come back together and nut it around in the select committee\u2014the bit the public doesn\u2019t really see, where members of the Government listen to members of the Opposition when we make good points\u2014and sometimes we do, believe it or not\u2014and actually engage in some meaningful interchange.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002211e9e1f818754d97b60bba4b18e5dc03\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b469339d769be2640fdd9e3b2e47037f\u0022\u003EHon Mark Patterson\u003C/span\u003E: Jury\u2019s out on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227fa69821a7f8ecef35833592b853f2d1\u0022\u003EHon Dr DUNCAN WEBB\u003C/span\u003E: And you know what\u2014come on, the Hon Mark Patterson. You were in this Government once. The fact of the matter is that that interchange is important. That interchange is important, and it can\u2019t be rushed, but this Government is rushing that interchange. Then, of course, if there are changes to be made, Parliamentary Counsel is instructed to make those changes, and it\u2019s not a matter of just throwing a few extra words in. Parliamentary Counsel does a very good job, but it is a very technical job indeed, and it\u2019s one which, again, there may be some simple changing of \u201Cseven days\u201D to \u201C14 days\u201D\u2014simple changes\u2014but if you\u2019re going to pull one bit of the string in a web, it\u2019s going to have impacts over there, and that\u2019s what legislation is like, and that\u2019s what Parliamentary Counsel are experts at.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAgain, to truncate that period\u2014usually, they will say any changes of anything other than minor will take at least two weeks, and sometimes they look for more. If you go back and say, \u201CWell, it\u2019s just a week.\u201D, they\u2019re not going to be able to go through their quality control, and we know what happens when legislation doesn\u2019t have quality control and people rush back to this House saying, \u201COops, I need to do an amendment bill because I forgot this bit.\u201D, or, \u201CWe forgot about that other piece of legislation over there.\u201D Of course, that then feeds into the final product when we see the committee reports. An important part of that report is any differing view, and I suspect there will be a differing view or two in this report, but the committee needs to be able to work through that report in detail. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIf you think about all of those steps, including a committee report that is a meaningful report to this House, the amount of time that the Minister for Social Development and Employment is proposing\u2014three months and a couple of days, or one day, I think\u2014is simply not enough. The final deliberation, when the committee comes together and says, \u201CDo we support this? Do we support the amendments? Do we support the report?\u201D, is also an important part of the process. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not going to talk about the substance of this bill, but I want to point out that the good work that select committees do here is being fundamentally undermined and that there is a reason why six months is the default period and why many times there\u2019s a request for extensions of time on that six months. That\u2019s because it\u2019s an important deliberative part of our democracy that this Government is time and again ignoring, which means we\u2019re having lower quality legislation, less trust in our Government, and less trust in this democracy, and that is a real worry. We clearly will be voting against this motion, and select committees should be respected and given the time that they need to make a good job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u0022f1b7e7e325dbf49dec9c3ae48cf1a462\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f1b7e7e325dbf49dec9c3ae48cf1a462\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (16:06)\u003C/span\u003E: I also want to speak to this referral motion. I want to touch on something that both of my colleagues\u2014Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March and the Hon Dr Duncan Webb\u2014haven\u2019t quite touched on, and I think this is one of those instances where we have seen a referral motion of this nature in the House previously. Usually, it\u2019s for something that is one or two months long, and they\u2019re not great, but considering the standard is, as the previous speaker the Hon Dr Duncan Webb said, six months, we often do see that the referral motion is not needed if the report back date is in four months and a day. Often we do see that the referral motion of this nature is something that has to be done within a month or two. Again, I\u2019m not saying it\u2019s great, but the drastic shortening or truncation of the period makes sense for a referral motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EHowever, I don\u2019t think, at least not in my recollection, that, this term, we\u2019ve had a bill\u2014maybe except for, I think, the climate emissions forestry one, which was three months and which, to be honest, we could have just had for four months as opposed to three months. There are potentially a couple of reasons, and I\u2019ve been listening to the Minister for Social Development and Employment\u2019s first reading speech as well as what she said in her referral motion, but none of them really touched on the practical and procedural chronology when we\u2019re looking at the remainder of sitting days of the House and also in connection to this referral motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI also just want to seek your guidance, Madam Speaker. What I meant to say, sorry, at the beginning of my speech, and it might be too late\u2014I was maybe seeking some advice from the Clerk\u2014is: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the motion be amended to replace the words \u201C20 August 2026\u201D with \u201C20 September 2026\u201D\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll speak to my amendment shortly. But on to the date of 20 August. Now, presumably the reason we have that date is because of the dissolution of Parliament, which is on 1 October. Potentially, what we\u2019re seeing is that, between 20\u00A0August and 1 October, there are only four sitting weeks. In some ways, I guess that makes sense, but there are two catches with that, I guess\u2014the first one being that the commencement date of this bill is 1 April 2027. The Regulatory Impact Statement date is, I believe, 10 September 2025. Now, my colleague Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March briefly touched on the fact that this was something that has been signalled to the Government earlier and the Government could have put it on their legislative agenda a lot earlier. That allows for the proper democratic process of having the full select committee stage, but that\u2019s not what we\u2019re seeing here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIf the commencement date is 1 April 2027\u2014and presumably the Government want this bill to be passed by the end of this term before the dissolution of Parliament\u2014the question that then remains is that if the Government have any confidence in being re-elected, they could have done it in December or January or February and still made it in time for their 1 April commencement date. So I think that\u2019s an interesting observation. I\u2019m not presuming anything from the Government\u2019s side in terms of what they consider to be their outlook in any sort of election\u2014but that is interesting.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow on to my Amendment Paper. The reason I proposed 20 September 2026 is it allows for that minimum four-month select committee period. Again\u2014not great; understandable. As we heard from the Hon Dr Duncan Webb, the standard period is six months, but it allows for that minimum four, which means we can open the submissions and, normally, proportionally the submissions will be open for four weeks, as opposed to what we\u2019re seeing currently with three weeks. But that also meant that we are left with one week for which the bill can be heard, and presumably there will be some form of urgency on that final week before the dissolution of Parliament that we can actually do a lot of these then. There might be other things happening that week. Again, I think these are the questions that the Minister, in her referral motion, could actually elucidate for this House and therefore we don\u2019t have to take a call to actually try and get the response to some of the questions we have. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, on to the select committee part. In terms of the timing when we\u2019re looking at the select committee\u2014you know, if we\u2019re looking at a proportional three-week submission and then going into hearing, considering we now have a report-back date of three months, that then goes into 9 June 2026, which is a non-sitting week and that is standard. But the week after that we\u2019re heading into scrutiny week. It is important to note that the committee that this is going to\u2014the Social Services and Community Committee\u2014although it may not have all that many bills going through it, it has the most number of agencies when you are looking at scrutiny week. So when you\u2019re looking at a combination of scrutiny week as well as all of the follow-ups, it actually does put, as the previous speaker said, a lot of pressure not just simply on the select committee in terms of the hearing of the bill but also in terms of the indicative plan of the select committee as well. So, that is something that I think, if any Government makes a decision to have such a referral motion or to shorten a select committee, these are the things that should also be in consideration. For one thing, it is a sign of good faith and understanding the needs and also the workload and work that Parliament and select committees are doing. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s also really important is that the last time this House has not had either an extended sitting or an urgency on a sitting week, either on Wednesday or Thursday\u2014or both\u2014was the week starting 16 February. And I have been counting. This is also important because often we see, like what we\u2019re seeing this very week where we have an extended sitting going from Tuesday into Wednesday morning, meaning that the normal operations and agenda of the select committee will not be able to take place during that time. Of course, we do have the exemption from Standing Orders 196 as part of that, which I will mention, but it also means that it places those select committees and those members, depending on what bill is also going through the extended sitting or urgency at the time, in the awkward position of having to potentially be in two places at once. I know this is something that we\u2019ve discussed in the Standing Orders Committee, but even then the discussion is always going to be around the fact that we are going to do our best to avoid a member who is in charge of a bill\u2014either they are in the Government or in Opposition\u2014with a particular select committee that\u2019s happening at the same time. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EEven if, let\u2019s say, we have the exemption around Standing Order 196, I think it\u2019s possibly important maybe for the Government, for the Minister, and for the Business Committee etc., to consider that, during those periods, Standing Order 196 will need to be waived and the select committee is able to sit on a Wednesday morning during an extended sitting or urgency, and we at least we don\u2019t have a bill going through the House at the same time and the legislative agenda is done in a way that we\u2019re not overlapping or duplicating a bill that\u2019s going through the House with a hearing of the select committee at the same time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EFinally, I just want to talk about the three particular Standing Orders that are being waived, and that\u2019s Standing Orders 193, 195, and 196. Again, in the context of Standing Orders 193 and 196, it makes sense to be meeting on Fridays and meeting within the Wellington area on sitting days, but I\u2019m always surprised at why Standing Order 195 needs to actually be waived, because Standing Order 195 is about meeting outside of the Wellington area during a sitting, whether it is during the sitting day or even on a Monday or Friday of the sitting week. By waiving that, there must be some form of indication by the Government that that is a possibility. In which case, I think other people who are on the select committee may want to tease that out a little bit more. What are some of the considerations when we\u2019re looking at sitting during a sitting outside of Wellington? Is that something that is on the cards for this Government, for that particular Standing Order to be exempted? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESo, overall, I think there are three areas that we would like some clarification on around the practical and procedural aspects of the chronology of this bill, but, at this stage, I will be keen to hear from others regarding my amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002229b8d22182614a1b8b6e8ef03bf61503\u0022 data-id=\u0022171ae35b7f3e3d1675f0726aa8f0c08b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229b8d22182614a1b8b6e8ef03bf61503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022171ae35b7f3e3d1675f0726aa8f0c08b\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME (Labour) (16:16)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Madam Speaker. Thank you for the opportunity to take a call on this motion. I agree with the comments that were made by the member, Lawrence Xu-Nan, about the\u2014while not ideal\u2014reduction from the default six months down to his proposed amendment four months. If we can\u2019t convince the Government to go with the default six months, then we would support the member\u2019s amendment to at least extend it out to four months for all the reasons that he gave.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI would also like to add additional reasons to support why we believe it should be six months, or even four months. That\u2019s because it\u2019s clear from the regulatory impact statement and from the information we had that there was very limited consultation that was done in the development of this legislation. When we know that this is going to impact over 4,300 young people in terms of the proposed changes to the 18 and 19-year-olds, and that even less consultation was done: no stakeholders; only with Government departments in terms of the accommodation supplement changes due to Budget sensitivity. I believe that the comments that I\u2019m making now apply to both. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhen I turned to the parental assistance test\u2014and like I said, it\u2019s going to affect more than 4,300 young people who, along with their families, are already struggling and this is going to make it worse\u2014I think it\u2019s very important that we hear from organisations like Ara Taiohi\u2014and I want to recognise them, it being Youth Week this week, and I know that they are busy doing that this week so they are probably missing that this is even happening in the House as they are celebrating Youth Week. They kicked it off in Tai Tokerau and Waitangi, and here we are discussing something that is going to affect our rangatahi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve also got, for example, Social Service Providers Aotearoa, the New Zealand Council of Christian Social Services, and a number of community services that work at the coalface with our young people, supporting them and their families, who I know, speaking to a number of those organisations, are struggling with the limited funding that they have to be able to support and deliver those supports to our young people. We heard, for example, from Mayors Taskforce for Jobs, who have had changes to their funding and where the expectation is that they focus on the older jobseekers versus those other younger people that they provided for and who are, unfortunately, moving towards the age group that would be captured by this legislation. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOrganisations like Youthline and organisations like Kick Back, who we have heard from, who do phenomenal advocacy work\u2014they are busy advocating for things like their concerns around the Government\u2019s move-on orders around youth homelessness and work that they\u2019ve been doing in that space. Now they have to turn to writing submissions and presenting in front of our select committee on the impact that these policies will have. Having visited Kick Back, I met with young people who desperately want work, who have been applying for jobs\u2014numerous job applications submitted\u2014with not even a response back to their job applications.  They are struggling not only with their homelessness but without being able to find employment either. So we are asking organisations who are struggling to meet the increasing demand in their communities with limited funding, increased need, to take time out from that work to write submissions and present to our Social Services and Community Committee on issues that are really, really important to our young people and to those organisations.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI also note the limited or non-existent consultation with M\u0101ori. We know that M\u0101ori, sadly, are disproportionately impacted and affected by these benefits and low socio-economic circumstances. In my contribution earlier I spoke about the challenge facing a community like Kaikohe, where there are thousands on jobseeker benefits and only 15 advertised jobs at that time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think about the fact that we would like to hear from organisations like the Iwi Chairs Forum, who do a lot of work in their Pou Tangata grouping, but they are busy in front of the Waitangi Tribunal, in looking at the changes that are being made to the Conservation Act, in looking at the recent decision from the Government to now make changes to 19 Treaty provisions within various statutes. These organisations are, due to other Government decisions, having to spread themselves across so many different things that this Government is doing, and the Minister for Social Development and Employment didn\u2019t really give us any real justification as to why there\u2019s such a truncated process on a change that is going to impact on our tamariki, our taitamariki, our rangatahi, and their wh\u0101nau. So, the Iwi Chairs Forum, who I\u2019m sure would appreciate more time to be able to advocate for their rangatahi, but, unfortunately, due to other Government actions, are so busy doing those other things.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think about the city missions, who we would like to hear from in this\u2014again, meeting that increasing demand that we are seeing. More New Zealanders are experiencing food insecurity, and they are coming through places like city missions and food banks. So they are all busy doing that front-line work, and we are asking them to divert some of their important time and attention and resources to writing submissions and making themselves available to our select committee so that our select committee can have the benefit of good information about what the impact of this Government policy will be on those people, in a truncated period of time. Others have said: there was more time available to the Government; they chose not to do it and now come to the House and ask for three months instead of the standard six months.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhat about the employment services that we need to hear from? These are the people who, actually, the officials\u2019 advice said\u2014more money should be put in; this money, and the options that the Minister should be going for are actually those around more support in training, more support in education, and more support in employment. Now, we need to hear from these employment services\u2014once again, a very truncated amount of time for them to be able to divert their attention and their resources from working with those young people and families who are struggling with high levels of unemployment: as we heard today in the House, the fewer jobs that we have since this Government came into office\u2014you know, many leaving their regions and leaving for Australia. So we need to hear from those employment services as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAs I have outlined, this is just a short list of stakeholders who I believe we need to hear from. There will be many more who can speak to the changes that the accommodation supplement, which, again, I noted from the\u2014it wasn\u2019t a regulatory impact statement; it was some other kind of\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b71f10e2ecf7d798ab8dbb4079f3d42e\u0022\u003ERicardo Men\u00E9ndez March\u003C/span\u003E: Supplementary advice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002229b8d22182614a1b8b6e8ef03bf61503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277e2f4e687d08d53dd59a65d601dd14c\u0022\u003EHon WILLOW-JEAN PRIME\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, supplementary advice. In that supplementary advice, it points out that due to its budget sensitivity, there was only consultation within Government departments\u2014and I think they only mentioned about three Government departments; it might\u2019ve been the Ministry of Housing and Urban Development, I think there was the Ministry of Education, and one other. So with that particular proposal, which, again, is going to impact 9,300 households from 1 April 2027, targeted consultation was only done within the\u2014basically, the Government talking to itself; not talking to any external stakeholders about how it will impact on those people. These are families who are low and middle income who are already struggling with the cost of living crisis, who are going to be impacted by the increase in the percentage to receive the subsidy. As we said, the numbers are 9,300, and the Government only talked to itself and claims that because of budget sensitivity it couldn\u2019t talk to any external stakeholders, then turns around and says, \u201CSorry, truncated process\u2014we can only have three months.\u201D, not your typical six-month process that we would have for a select committee process. That is not fair on such important issues that are going to impact thousands and thousands of low to middle income households and over 4,300 young people and their families. They deserve a full and proper select committee process to ensure that we understand what this law is going to do, that we explore all options and any possibilities of improving the legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003ESo we do not support the Government\u2019s proposal. If we had to compromise, I would be happy to support that of Lawrence Xu-Nan, who said maybe we could look at the four months instead of the six months. Thank you, Madam Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022462200ac35bcd3dee3cadcec7caa986c\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I just clarify\u2014I\u2019m going to call Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March, but to clarify that you\u2019re speaking to the amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022 data-id=\u002217d06ea936dacba04419b1a7c5e608be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002217d06ea936dacba04419b1a7c5e608be\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH (Green) (16:26)\u003C/span\u003E: That is correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002289f2537dfd412483a732d4d57030606f\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002298c1995a3396432382c4b04f94f6462f\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8c3c1938e7a5e46ddad51a827c1d449\u0022\u003ERICARDO MEN\u00C9NDEZ MARCH\u003C/span\u003E: Yeah, thank you. Yeah, so I really appreciate having a second call to speak on the amendment that my colleague Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan moved in this referral motion debate, as per the rules. There is a reason I wanted to speak and advocate for my colleague\u2019s amendment, and one of them is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan adequately talked about the timing of when Parliament rises and the election date as a potential reasoning\u2014it may not have been given by the Minister for Social Development and Employment but kind of does stack up as to why they did a three-month referral motion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other reason why I think a four-month referral motion would be preferable is that, you know, I put the challenge to the Government members that if they\u2019re so confident that they are going to win the election and come back to power, then I don\u2019t think that actually affects their ability to keep progressing with this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think the other component of it is that because of the commencement date of the bill, which is in April next year, if the Government are so confident that they\u2019ll be winning the election, I don\u2019t see a reason why we can\u2019t just come back, finish the select committee process, and actually go through the motions of the second reading, committee of the whole House stage, and third reading debate. I think this amendment by my colleague allows for the Government to say, well, let\u2019s give it a bit more scrutiny. Perhaps maybe they don\u2019t feel so confident that they\u2019ll win the election. They\u2019ll still get to do the second and third reading debates before the House fully rises, but I guess I do have the question as to whether, you know, if they\u2019re not confident about winning it, they would get behind supporting my colleague\u2019s amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe reason why I think four months as well would be preferable to three months is because\u2014we talked a little about whether people would be able to have an opportunity to submit altogether because of their busy lives. Four months: what it also gives us is an additional time for people to prepare their oral submissions. Sometimes, people in organisations, for the written submission deadline, may only be able to, for example, provide a very short written submission. If we extend it by another month, what we get to do is also give a bit more grace for people to prepare supplementary evidence, as is often the case in select committee submissions. That additional month that would be granted by my colleague\u2019s amendment would allow people who may not have a lot of time to prepare their written submission to present additional supplementary evidence, and I think this extra month would allow people to engage more constructively with the debate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI have noted that in other debates where the referral motions are quite short, some of the feedback that we get from stakeholders, from members of the community, is that they just didn\u2019t have enough time to prepare contributions on, for example, potential amendments to mitigate perceived harms or to enhance the legislation. That additional month gives people additional time to be able to prepare proposed amendments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe know that, often, Ministers or Opposition members may propose amendments themselves that may be inspired by amendments proposed by submitters. The additional month that is put forward in the amendment of Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan, in my view, would give submitters the ability to be able to more constructively think of amendments. I would hope that is something the Government can get behind. Especially in the type of legislation that we\u2019re speaking to, one of the issues that I have with the current timeline is that the organisations at the front line who would be submitting are often organisations who themselves have little resources. They may have one policy staffer or no policy staffer. Perhaps the person in charge of submitting is also the person in charge of receiving the community at the door. That additional month, as proposed by Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan, in my view, is critical to it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, I may just ask my colleague to go to the Business Committee while I finish my contribution, if he wouldn\u2019t mind filling in, if he\u2019s got the chance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EJust to finish that off, what I would add to this call would be that the additional month would, as I said, also allow, for example, parties to have more caucus meetings\u2014for example, to engage on proposed amendments by the Opposition or by submitters themselves. One of the challenges that we often have with engaging in a cross-partisan matter when the referral motions are quite short\u2014three months as opposed to four months\u2014is, for example, that there are very limited caucus meetings, particularly for the Government side, to constructively engage on amendments that are proposed by the Opposition or by stakeholders themselves. I think adding that additional month adds additional caucus meetings, where we can, in a cross-party way, engage with amendments. For example, if, in the select committee stage, we realise there are going to be unintended consequences, it gives us additional time to actually mitigate those.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIf I think of one of the bills that I engaged in recently in that select committee, around the interactions of ACC and MSD and payments, etc., well, for example, we did end up voting for amendments that would have included an additional group of people who had procedures under the Social Security Appeal Authority, right? I would have assumed, for the Government members, that would have required a caucus conversation to potentially go through those. My colleague\u2019s amendment, in my view, also enables that cross-party work to happen in a more constructive manner. That is a point that hasn\u2019t been raised by previous speakers. I think that\u2019s particularly important because, as has been noted, the demographics most impacted by this bill are people on low incomes, people who are trying to survive, households that may be earning just around $65,000 a year. As a household, that\u2019s a pretty low income when it comes to the 18- and 19-year-olds who would be affected by the changes to the tightening of the eligibility criteria for beneficiaries. That is one of the key reasons why I think four months is preferable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAgain, I want to go back to the point that this still gives the Government enough time to do the second reading, committee of the whole House, and third reading should they wish to, but I don\u2019t see why they wouldn\u2019t be comfortable just deferring that until after the election if they\u2019re confident of winning. Rest assured, though, the Greens will be fighting to repeal it, so I do think it kind of just raises the question of what the point of the timing is here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other reason why I think four months would be better is so that we can have that constructive engagement between hearings, between Opposition members or just interested Government members and officials. For example, after hearings, there will often be questions that we\u2019ll want to be putting to officials. Perhaps a submitter raised a really important point that maybe no one had thought of, or an unintended consequence of this bill that no one had thought of. That\u2019s why we lean on expert submitters for them to contribute on this. When you have three months as opposed to, say, four or the ideal six, you also end up not being able to engage between MPs and officials, to get answers from officials on those questions that get raised in between sessions. There is often that rush, by the process of \u201CWell, we\u2019ve just got to get the report out. There\u2019s just no time to actually scrutinise this bill, etc.\u201D I mean, that\u2019s part of the reason, in my view, and if you look at the minutes from the committee that\u2019s in charge of scrutinising this bill, I would put the case that there\u2019s a reason why we\u2019re having hearings on ACC after the scrutiny of the bill, which, in my view, should have happened as part of the scrutiny of the bill, because we just did not have enough time. That\u2019s the other rationale as to why I think we should get behind Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWith that, I will finish this contribution, but I am sure, as I can tell, other Labour members will have more to say. Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022 data-id=\u00225d6b6c236b79da39d25f8386191a0b01\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225d6b6c236b79da39d25f8386191a0b01\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert) (16:34)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I want to take off where Ricardo Men\u00E9ndez March left off, with an experience that we had of a rushed process in our select committee and what harm it can do. That was a process over a bill that was about ACC, and it was really obvious that we absolutely had it wrong in terms of what we thought that the bill was to do. The truncation of the process impacted on the quality of the work that we were able to do. It didn\u2019t mean that we didn\u2019t go through that process sincerely and make a different decision\u2014we had to go back to our caucus over that\u2014but it was a very real example of the problem with urgently going through pieces of legislation. For the life of me, I actually don\u2019t see why this one is so urgent.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis is a piece of legislation that affects a lot of people and a lot of different portfolio holders. Part of my job, because I lead on this committee, will be to make sure I\u2019m contacting all those different people holding portfolios where this is relevant, as the material comes forth. That\u2019s a really important job. I take it seriously, and what I will have is a chair who\u2019s under pressure not to hear from people and to truncate that process as much as possible. Before we say that never happens, it absolutely has been happening more this term than I have known. It is often the case of submissions being limited to \u201COh, we\u2019ll just hear from a few people here.\u201D or \u201CWe\u2019ll hear from the stakeholders.\u201D, and it is truncated to the point where we lose a lot of the quality of what we would hear. For me, I\u2019ve got that sexual and family violence prevention portfolio, so I\u2019m having to do my job in a very different way if we truncate this process. I know that young people, who are affected by this legislation and are expecting their parents to now support them, are often subjected to violence in the home. I\u2019m told by places like Kick Back that it is often a reason why they end up on the street.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s really important that I get to do my job and talk to those groups and those people affected in that way. And that\u2019s just one portfolio. This is young people. This is young people in crisis and unemployment. It is incredibly important that we go wide in this situation. Now, I just want to talk about that issue, about youth being involved in the very process of submitting and how much less likely it was with a shorter time frame. I have one school in my area where I\u2019ve encouraged those students to make submissions, and I have told them there\u2019s a process. I\u2019ve said, hand on heart, this is a process where you can make a difference. You can bring something into the process that will change the minds of people. Well, that becomes a lot less likely when things are rushed. This is a piece of legislation that I want schools in my area to consider whether they make a submission on and, if they do, they\u2019re engaged in the process in a very, very healthy way. If they see it rushed through, they\u2019re not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI just want to give you one example, not of somebody young but of somebody on the bill I just mentioned, about ACC. We got an example of somebody who\u2019d been rushed through, told they had to come in and give us submission in this very short time frame, because we were only available in the recess. We were trying to do the right thing, but they came in and I\u2019ll never forget how disconnected and distrustful they were, because they had been told \u201CThis is your one time.\u201D This was on something that was critical to them. This was something where they had already lost trust. They didn\u2019t need to lose more trust. I\u2019ll never forget that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThese things are not academic; they are real. They affect the very people who should be making submissions. I would expect some damned good reasons before we didn\u2019t have straight playing of our timetable on this matter. We\u2019re talking youth, and guess who is becoming more and more disaffected with Parliament? Guess who is not going to vote? This group\u2014this very same group\u2014and if you add that this is the group that are facing high unemployment, we are talking about people we need to engage with and need to be engaged in this particular piece of legislation, because it is impacting on them more than any other.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, I also want to talk about some of the groups that I\u2019ve seen recently where I would like to see submissions, and I\u2019m afraid they\u2019ll get cut out. One was, we had budget services in the other day who are absolutely under pressure, and guess what! They get very little, almost no Government funding, those budget services. And people in crisis\u2014I want to hear from them about this, because it won\u2019t necessarily just be the students or the young people, it will be their parents. Their parents are the ones who are going to be in there at budget services saying, \u201CI want to take money out of my KiwiSaver and I have to go and I have to go and see you. That\u2019s part of the requirements.\u201D It\u2019s going to be that group of people, and we need to hear from them. Sometimes, the best people that we talk to are people like Teresa White at Auckland budget services. They keep me grounded and I really, really want to hear from people like that. But if we cut the list, it\u2019ll be those kinds of organisations that their time is cut\u2014and we get so much good information out of them. Also, we just\u2014look, they deserve our respect. They\u2019re the ones actually mopping up the mess when Government doesn\u2019t do a good job at looking after people. They\u2019re the ones who will get those applications. We need the power of what they\u2019ve got to say.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to put a shout-out for people like the Law Society, who we definitely do need to hear from on this piece of legislation. They\u2019re under the pump. This is going to happen before the election, in a truncated fashion. It will actually mean we just don\u2019t get the kinds of quality information that we rely upon from those specific groups. People like the Children\u2019s Commissioner, I\u2019m sure we\u2019ll hear from them because they\u2019re set up and they\u2019re just totally focused. But groups like the Law Society, they\u2019re doing a wide range of work and they\u2019re volunteers. By the way, it\u2019s volunteer month next month. These are volunteers that make a big difference around here. So a shout-out for them. But I want to be able to hear from those people, and I\u2019m afraid that if we truncate this process beyond six months, we won\u2019t be able to hear from them. It won\u2019t happen. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI wanted to talk finally in this\u2014and I\u2019m specifically not talking about the amendment; I\u2019d like to do a call on the amendment, but I\u2019m not doing that in this one. But I\u2019d just like to talk about the reasons for urgency for a minute. Because I took the point that\u2014Duncan Webb stood up and said he hadn\u2019t heard the Minister give good reasons, or give reasons at all. The Minister said that she has given reasons. Well, those reasons must have been so softly spoken and so general that I just didn\u2019t pick them up. I genuinely don\u2019t know why this piece of legislation deserves this truncated process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI am concerned about that kind of use of the process. Why are we truncating things like this? It should be for a very good reason. We have a lot of legislation coming through here that deserves our attention. There are things that are being mentioned in the media constantly that are supposed to be absolutely urgent, and yet they don\u2019t get this process. So why this one? Why this one, in comparison to all the other pieces of legislation where there actually might be some cross-party support? Imagine that! It\u2019s what the public says to me every day when I go out on the doorstep, is they\u2019d like to see a bit more of that. But no, we\u2019re not doing it for those pieces of work that we could find some commonality in or that seem to me desperately urgent. We\u2019re not doing it for those. We\u2019re doing it for this, this piece of legislation which looks like it\u2019s got a fiscal cost associated to the Government at the present time.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESo it\u2019s not putting children in work, it\u2019s not putting students in work, it\u2019s not putting youth in work. It\u2019s none of those things that, actually, I could see there being, if it was some sort of scheme that meant that they were actually into work, I\u2019d be thrilled to see something like that because I know it\u2019s desperate for these people, but it\u2019s not. What we\u2019re talking about here is cutting the financial support to that group. That is not something that is urgent unless you\u2019re a Government that\u2019s spent it all on tax cuts for the landlords\u2014then maybe it is urgent, because you just don\u2019t have the money to do anything that\u2019s not free or isn\u2019t a stunt. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224f047bcab7fe1b27800f22c4ec83d4d\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the amendment in the name of Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the motion be amended to replace the words \u201C20 August 2026\u201D with \u201C20 September 2026\u201D\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288e5c454b647a5ccc0bb0b223911052e\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the Social Security (Jobseeker Support and Accommodation Supplement) Amendment Bill be reported to the House by 20 August 2026 and that the committee have authority to meet at any time while the House is sitting (except during oral questions), during any evening on a day on which there has been a sitting of the House, on a Friday in a week in which there has been a sitting of the House, and outside the Wellington area, despite Standing Orders 193, 195, and 196.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022e1a38f258182a58349eff866eac74bac\u0022\u003EAppointments\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a80ed40222063fa1500231e262db6d44\u0022\u003EElectoral Commission\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022587d574de1174371be09e431d9060e87\u0022 data-id=\u00227be3b73e59873832bfbc547eec28b5d2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022587d574de1174371be09e431d9060e87\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227be3b73e59873832bfbc547eec28b5d2\u0022\u003EHon CAMERON BREWER (Minister of Commerce and Consumer Affairs) (16:47)\u003C/span\u003E: on behalf of the \u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBold\u0022\u003EMinister of Justice\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat, under section 4D of the Electoral Act 1993 and section 32 of the Crown Entities Act 2004, this House recommend Her Excellency the Governor-General appoint Susan Elizabeth Elliott ONZM, Murray David Jack, and David Brian O\u2019Connor as members of the Electoral Commission, each for a term of three years commencing on the date of appointment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Electoral Commission is an independent Crown entity established by section 4B of the Electoral Act 1993. The Commission is responsible for the administration of parliamentary elections and referenda; the allocation of time and money for the broadcast of election programmes; the conduct of the M\u0101ori electoral option; servicing the work of the Representation Commission; the provision of advice, reports and public education on electoral matters; and electoral enrolment services for both parliamentary and local elections. Appointments to the Commissioner are made by the Governor-General on recommendation of the House of Representatives. The Act currently provides that the Commission has a board of three members comprising: a part-time chair, a part-time deputy chair, and a full-time electoral officer who is the chief executive. The Electoral Amendment Act passed at the end of last year increases the membership of the Electoral Commission, allowing for the appointment of up to seven members. This is in order to strengthen the board\u2019s resilience and capability.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIncreasing the board of the Commission provides the opportunity to introduce a wider range of skills onto the board and enhance the Commission\u2019s capacity to manage the various challenges to election delivery. In anticipation of this legislative change, the Commission\u2019s chair, with my approval, appointed Ms Elliott, Mr Jack, and Mr O\u2019Connor in July 2025 to act as special advisers to the Commission. As advisers, they have not had a formal decision-making role but have contributed to the expertise in risk and assurance, innovation and change, and strategic communications in support of change. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI am now proposing to formalise the appointment of these individuals and thereby strengthen the commission\u2019s strategic decision-making capability.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMs Elliott has been the managing director of Communications Chambers since 2005 and is a founding director of Public Art Heritage Aotearoa New Zealand. She has worked in both the public and private sectors and provides wide-ranging expertise in communications.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMr Jack is an independent director and advisor. He is currently a director of Aurecon Group Ltd and an independent member of the New Zealand Defence Force Advisory Board. He is a previous chair of the FMA, the Financial Markets Authority, Chartered Accountants Australia and New Zealand, and the Education Payroll Ltd. He was formerly chief executive and then chair of Deloitte New Zealand. Mr Jack has proven expertise in modernisation and systems roll-out, and has also led a number of sensitive reviews into systems failure. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMr O\u2019Connor is an audit and assurance partner and former chair chairperson of the Auckland chartered accountant firm BDO. He has 31 years experience in assurance and corporate finance, and also has expert witness and mediation experience. He currently acts as a director for a number of entities, adding significant commercial experience and a solid focus on corporate governance. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Crown Entities Act 2004 provides that appointments to independent Crown entities be made for a period of up to five years. I am proposing three-year terms as this will allow for review of these appointments prior to the 2029 election.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220cf7d6c15021d6683d14a2e2c1279f56\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022 data-id=\u0022723d032668454b3d5eeb26346674ac54\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224781da7e0ee64557a3bcb565f241de8e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022723d032668454b3d5eeb26346674ac54\u0022\u003ECAMILLA BELICH (Labour) (16:51)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s a pleasure to rise as Labour\u2019s justice spokesperson to support this Government\u2019s motion to appoint three new members to the Electoral Commission. I appreciate the Minister\u2019s outline of the role of the commission and additionally the qualifications of the three who are nominated to be appointed, Susan Elliott OMZM, Murray David Jack, and David Brian O\u2019Connor.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Electoral Commission serves an incredibly important role within New Zealand. As the Minister stated, they are an independent Crown entity and their primary role that most New Zealanders would be aware of is the running of our general elections. Their role, in fact, goes wider than that and they do have a role in maintaining confidence in our electoral system and therefore confidence in our democracy. That is why it was appropriate and appreciated that prior to this motion coming before the House, there was consultation, certainly with our party and I understand with parties across the House through the Business Committee around the appointment of these three individuals, like the chair of the Electoral Commission and also the deputy chair as well have been appointed in a bipartisan manner. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe three individuals are not new\u2014as the Minister has stated\u2014to the Electoral Commission. They are existing, at this stage, in advisory roles that have been, as has been stipulated, valued by the Electoral Commission. So they\u2019ve kind of been testing out the new commissioners, so to speak, and apparently have found them very well suited for this role.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019m not going to use the full ten minutes to support this motion as this is a bipartisan motion and it\u2019s not an appropriate time to make political points. As the Minister has stated, the Electoral Commission has an important role and the main aspect that we were looking for in new appointees to the Electoral Commission was their ability to act in a way which is neutral and to uphold the very important role that the Electoral Commission has within New Zealand. I hope that with almost doubling, or more than doubling the size of the existing electoral commissioners that the Electoral Commission can move from strength to strength. I think it is everyone\u2019s interest in New Zealand and certainly in this House that they continue to act in a manner of the highest integrity independently in the important role that they have in maintaining our elections. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESo very happy to support the nomination of these three individuals. I look forward to the Electoral Commission continuing to do a good job. They do hold us here, once we are elected in this House, to account and also those standing for election to account. I hope they do that without fear or favour for the democracy that we are so honoured to be a part of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00225e65b51223cf4eb8aa02a982d92f8959\u0022 data-id=\u00223b6017becdb8a0e4a2a5637b3776dd24\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00225e65b51223cf4eb8aa02a982d92f8959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223b6017becdb8a0e4a2a5637b3776dd24\u0022\u003EHon MARAMA DAVIDSON (Co-Leader\u2014Green) (16:55)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. It\u2019s a really important contribution that I\u2019m wanting to make today because the Greens absolutely do not support this Government notice of motion No. 3, which relates to the appointments of people, members, to the Electoral Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ERight now, more than ever before, I think, the Electoral Commission\u2019s role and its integrity requires the utmost political neutrality and independence of political view from the work that it does. No more so than with its functions of helping people participate in democracy, so in voting, promoting understanding of our electoral system, and maintaining public confidence in the system. And right at this very moment, unfortunately, there are swathes of public opinion and public thought that shows us that their trust and respect in democracy is really failing. We saw, in local body elections, the last local body elections, some of the most dismal turnouts for democracy, for voting that the country has ever seen. We are seeing, and I\u2019m getting some of our members in South Auckland Greens who are pulling up registration numbers in M\u0101ngere and across South Auckland communities and we are seeing some of the lowest registration voting that we have ever seen in this country. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMy points were to highlight exactly how important it is right now for the trust and the integrity of the Electoral Commission to be absolutely upheld. Now, under this motion, some changes to the Electoral Commission are happening, which I will get on to shortly. This particular change, the change of increasing the size of the Electoral Commission Board from three members to a maximum of seven, where I understand one of the recommendations in the Independent Electoral Review, and the word \u201Cindependent\u201D is really important here. So that is one of the recommendations, one of the very few, unfortunately from the Independent Electoral Review that have been followed up on, and only then, partially. So these appointments matter so much right now and I want to, if I can, quote from that very review which says, \u201CThe Electoral Commission board should be expanded from three to five members. The Minister of Justice should be required to ensure that the board collectively has skills, experience and expertise in te Tiriti / the Treaty, te ao M\u0101ori, and tikanga M\u0101ori.\u201D I once again stress that this is from the Independent Electoral Review and that comes to the central reason of why the Green Party will not be supporting these appointments. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, on our dissension from this motion, we asked the Parliamentary Library to have a dig to understand when in recent times has there ever been contention to the appointments of members to the Electoral Commission board. None in the past decade, can I just be really clear about that. So we are moving away from well-established traditions here to ensure and do the work, in fact, that there is consensus and agreement across Parliament for such vital appointments to the electoral board. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, the Greens wrote to the Minister when we were notified\u2014as soon as we were notified\u2014about the three appointments, the three nominations, and laid out very, very clearly why we had concerns particularly about\u2014and I\u2019ve got the letter right here\u2014David O\u2019Connor, we support. Based on the available information, David O\u2019Connor appears to be neutral, competent, and an appropriate choice. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESue Elliott: we asked for more information, actually, because we said that the only information publicly available was quite limited and that her prior parliamentary work and later career in Government relations are somewhat opaque. We requested clarification from the Minister on whether she\u2019d previously worked in any political role at Parliament or whether it was solely for Parliamentary Service. And if it was the former, we would not support her appointment because that is a political role. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThen with Murray Jack, we do not support his appointment. We do not support his appointment due to his previous role as a board member of The New Zealand Initiative, a politically active and arguably partisan advocacy organisation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGiven the commission\u2019s need for clear independence, this association raises concerns. We recommend another candidate with similar skills but without political affiliations to be put forward, and, in actual fact, whether or not his personal views, we are unsure, but what we know is from the New Zealand Initiative is that they have consistently sought to undermine Te Tiriti\u2014the Treaty\u2014and any work around upholding Te Tiriti as a foundation document of Aotearoa. Again, I pull us back to the independent electoral review which highlighted that board appointments need to ensure that those skills have been considered. We did a scan, and there are none of those necessary skills to be considered.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe are not\u2014absolutely not\u2014and, actually, over the past 10 years, I go back to, once again, that there has never been anything other than full support of these appointments. In those 10 years, you have had different Governments\u2014you have had different Governments who have been able to appoint to the Electoral Commission board members who are fully supported by the entirety of Parliament. It\u2019s not impossible, clearly. It\u2019s a tradition that we have upheld, clearly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOn this appointment, we make our views very, very clear that especially now, as we have had legislation changes which absolutely, in fact, are making it more difficult, are putting up more barriers for people to be able to vote, not the least being able to register and vote on the same day, we see it as even more important that we ensure that we have, at the very least, that Tiriti expertise, an understanding of the lived experience of our communities across New Zealand who, for many valid reasons, have little trust and faith in the democratic process. We do not see those skills and experiences and understandings in these appointments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBy the way, when we wrote to Minister Goldsmith and highlighted our concerns and our rationales and our very clear reasons why, we did not get any response back, not even an acknowledgment of our letter. We find ourselves now here, having to debate this in the House, and, I will add, having to debate in the House names of people, of citizens who actually deserve to know that they had the full support of the parliamentary floor before their names had to be thrown across it. That needs to go back to the responsible Minister who did not come back to us for conversation. If there is any repercussion from having individuals\u2019 names highlighted, it needs to be worn by the Minister, who did not come back and talk to us about our concerns. Quite simply, even a conversation may have been able to allay our concerns, but we were not even granted that. I make it very clear that one of the key purpose roles of the Electoral Commission is to maintain confidence and integrity into the voting system, and, again, that is why these appointments are so crucial.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI talked before about the example of the Government making it harder for people to participate, by getting rid of same-day enrolment and voting, but we also had removing the right of prisoners to vote\u2014so, once again, an extra lens on the communities most impacted with the most barriers to participate in democracy requires that the board is understanding, representative, or at least skilled in some level of understanding the very people who are not engaging, and why.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019m proud of getting up for the Green Party today and opposing this motion, opposing these appointments to the Electoral Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022443f23de4cbd464f91833e6c466c98c0\u0022 data-id=\u0022e44a3ee94128fed07259a6275a763290\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022443f23de4cbd464f91833e6c466c98c0\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e44a3ee94128fed07259a6275a763290\u0022\u003ETODD STEPHENSON (ACT) (17:04)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I rise on behalf of ACT, as ACT\u2019s justice spokesperson, to support this Government motion, appointing three new people to the board of the Electoral Commission.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI actually think that Marama Davidson\u2019s speech was somewhat unfortunate, because I think it conflated a number of things. Firstly, she seemed to be arguing about our electoral law settings, which is not the purpose of this motion today. There\u2019s plenty of time to debate those, and we actually have debated those in the past. Secondly, she actually used this House to call into question some of the qualifications and background of the three appointees, which I think is most unfortunate. I\u2019m sure that if she had taken some more personal responsibility, she could have met with the Minister, who is often in this building and in this House, and found ways to address, maybe, some of the issues she had raised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ELet me, first, thank that three New Zealanders actually putting forward their names, being prepared to serve on the Electoral Commission. They have, as both the Minister and Camilla Belich outlined, actually been involved in the Electoral Commission. They are currently special advisers, which is a role they have been playing. I actually want to thank Sue Elliott, Murray Jack, and David O\u2019Connor for agreeing to actually go on to the Electoral Commission and undertake this role. The Electoral Commission is actually one of the great institutions in our democracy. It actually protects our democracy. It actually makes sure that elections are fairly held. They have already been advising the Electoral Commission on some of the modernisation of the commission, how it can actually effectively deliver the next election, ensuring that quality measures are in place, assurance measures are in place, and they actually are ensuring that there is innovation, strategic direction at the Electoral Commission. I want to really thank them for doing that, and now they\u2019ll be able to do that in their role as board members.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI was actually lucky enough to be on the Justice Committee when it conducted a review into the last election\u2014a review by the Justice Committee; it threw up some issues. The Electoral Commission fully partook in that place. Again, I know that these board members, and the other three members already serving on the board, will be looking at all of the reviews that have been done. We did see some issues around particular polling places in the last election; I know others have raised issues around the integrity of the rolls and enrolment. I think it\u2019s great that these New Zealanders are willing to step up, be on the board, and actually provide that oversight and advice, because, again, as, I think, has already been reflected by most members speaking in this debate, the Electoral Commission plays a very important role in ensuring that we have the free elections that we expect in New Zealand and, as one of the oldest democracies in the world, we should be very proud of how our elections are run, but there\u2019s always the need to be vigilant, make sure the commission is actually tooled for the 21\u003Csup\u003Est\u003C/sup\u003E century and beyond, new ways of ensuring that people are enrolled, that elections are held fairly, and that the rules that this place has passed will be upheld.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI want to thank again these members for putting themselves forward. ACT will be supporting this motion. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00222c117f6511bc4b8fb6fdcf9c6133fb99\u0022 data-id=\u002204b3f9b940eba1c83ae477feb23b1cfe\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222c117f6511bc4b8fb6fdcf9c6133fb99\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002204b3f9b940eba1c83ae477feb23b1cfe\u0022\u003EDr DAVID WILSON (NZ First) (17:08)\u003C/span\u003E: I just want to echo the thoughts and contributions of the member from Labour and the member for ACT in supporting this motion, as we do. The new members\u2014David O\u2019Connor, Sue Elliott ONZM, and Murray Jack\u2014all, to us, seem very, very good at their jobs; they\u2019ve already proven it by being members and advisers of the Electoral Commission, so we are completely in favour of supporting them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis is a very important role that they conduct on behalf of us all to try and support democracy in the best way they possibly can. It\u2019s fundamental to our society and it\u2019s fundamental to building trust in our electoral system, so we support that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBut I would be a little remiss if I did not mention a small thing, and that is that there is one other role that the commission has that many have not brought up, and that is in the allocation of funding to parties for the election. We are, just maybe, a little disappointed that, while we have been rising in the polls and serving faithfully in this latest session, prior to that we actually earnt more from the Electoral Commission, and we\u2019re kind of wondering why we\u2019ve gone down a little\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002203ac0f7f19b55b02da1fca9f6a7ad856\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, you may have to wonder elsewhere, because this is not what this part of the motion is about\u2014wonder away outside the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00222c117f6511bc4b8fb6fdcf9c6133fb99\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228d8bc0b257acd075963956c086c40808\u0022\u003EDr DAVID WILSON\u003C/span\u003E: That we will, but I would have been remiss. That said, we support the appointment of these advisers. These are august and experienced people, and we support the motion. Thank you, Mr Speaker.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022e0e2403c87194ab09a0bd954cda7ab12\u0022 data-id=\u002205668ada792aa5f0e14167ddb22b510a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022e0e2403c87194ab09a0bd954cda7ab12\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002205668ada792aa5f0e14167ddb22b510a\u0022\u003ERAWIRI WAITITI (Co-Leader\u2014Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori) (17:10)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Speaker. I rise on behalf of Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori to take a call on this notice of motion for the Electoral Commission appointees. What we understand is that this motion will appoint three new members to the Electoral Commission board, who will overlook the up-and-coming election and who will be forced to implement the Government\u2019s many unjust and undemocratic electoral policies. Why I say that\u2014and I think it\u2019s important there is context as to why we will be voting against this particular motion\u2014is that they will oversee the disenfranchisement of up to a hundred thousand people, as enrolments will now be banned in the two weeks leading up to the election. A hundred thousand people: that\u2019s the population of Rotorua and Taup\u014D combined. You\u2019ve got to let that sink in\u2014you\u2019ve got to let that sink in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe former Attorney-General and National MP Judith Collins stated that these changes will violate the constitutional rights of all New Zealanders. This is what these new appointees will be charged with, in regards to their responsibilities as Electoral Commission appointees, and this is why Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori cannot support this motion. We know that our rangatahi, M\u0101ori, Pasifika, and Asian communities will be hit harder by these types of changes. What is the commission doing to rectify these particular changes? I heard the Hon Marama Davidson\u2019s speech, in regards to their obligations to Te Tiriti o Waitangi and te ao M\u0101ori. Under the Public Service Act 2020, the Crown\u2019s responsibility and relationship with M\u0101ori is in developing capability in tikanga and te ao M\u0101ori. There are no M\u0101ori commissioners on this board. None. Zilch. Nothing. Kore. How can we get public confidence in this commission when there are no M\u0101ori sitting at the table?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EYou have a M\u0101ori electoral roll and thousands of M\u0101ori\u2014not hundreds, but thousands of M\u0101ori\u2014are finding themselves being removed from the M\u0101ori roll and on to the general, and we are expected to support an Electoral Commission to have no M\u0101ori on it, to be able to build public confidence? One of your appointees, Murray David Jack, I know, has been a part of the New Zealand Initiative, which is part of the Atlas Network. These are some of the things if you dig deeper. You will find that there will be no political independence here\u2014there will be no political independence on this commission\u2014and there will be no voice for M\u0101ori on the commission, as M\u0101ori face some of the harshest and most blatant voter suppression that we\u2019ve seen in a long time. When our people are going to check to see what roll they\u2019re on, thinking they\u2019ve been on the M\u0101ori roll for ever, and they\u2019re now finding themselves on the general roll, what is going on? Who is responsible for that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThese new appointees will be responsible to ensure that there is no voter suppression of M\u0101ori and that their obligation, under the Public Service Act 2020, is to develop capability in tikanga and te ao M\u0101ori, engage meaningfully with M\u0101ori, and improve outcomes for M\u0101ori, which we see is not happening. In \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EHe Aha i P\u0113r\u0101 Ai? The M\u0101ori Prisoners\u2019 Voting Report\u003C/span\u003E, the Waitangi Tribunal found that disqualifying prisoners from registering to vote breached the Treaty principles of partnership. This is exactly what the former Attorney-General was talking about when she said that this particular notice of motion violates the constitutional rights of all New Zealanders. We have an issue around the vote breaching \u201Cthe Treaty principles of partnership, k\u0101wanatanga, tino rangatiratanga, active protection, and equity\u201D. The report recommended that the legislation is amended urgently to remove the disqualification of all prisoners from voting, irrespective of their sentence. \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EHe Arotake P\u014Dtitanga Motuhake Independent Electoral Review\u003C/span\u003E also recommended that all prisoners should have the right to vote. And every court in this country has ruled that any ban on prisoner voting is a violation of the Bill of Rights. Now, I hope that these new appointees are listening, and I hope the Minister is listening, because to have an absence of a M\u0101ori voice sitting around that table to ensure that public confidence in this particular commission is at a suitable level\u2014our people do not have confidence currently in this commission. Absolutely not.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe also cannot forget that this Government have decided to lock the numbers of M\u0101ori seats to seven until 2032. There is an eighth seat there right now\u2014there is an eighth seat there right now. There are more M\u0101ori on the M\u0101ori roll than there are M\u0101ori on the general roll, and that\u2019s a fact. That\u2019s a fact, and that number has grown in the last four to six years. This is what this Electoral Commission must be responsible for, to ensure that there is no voter suppression, and when there\u2019s an increase in the electoral roll of M\u0101ori, that should be rewarded, for those who want to participate in this country\u2019s \u201Coldest, greatest democracy\u201D, as I\u2019ve heard in some of the other speeches before me. Now, the question to this Government is: where are your M\u0101ori representatives on this commission? Where? Who are they? When will M\u0101ori have a voice sitting around that table? OK, you might have some advisers, but advisers can be ignored. Advisers and their advice can be considered, but they are not there ensuring that the M\u0101ori electoral option is protected and that the M\u0101ori electoral option has a voice sitting around that table.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMy challenge to this Government and my challenge to the Minister is that he reconsider and have a look at the many professionals and able M\u0101ori who are able to sit around that particular table and ensure the protection of the M\u0101ori electoral option and the M\u0101ori roll. That will give confidence to our people. We\u2019ve been sidelined as advisers, who, like I said, can be overruled, and have been overruled for far too long. We cannot afford to be a bystander, not in this election. We cannot afford to be a bystander. Like I said, the M\u0101ori electoral option and the M\u0101ori on the M\u0101ori roll now outpopulate M\u0101ori on the general roll. That should be celebrated and should be rewarded. The Electoral Commission has a big job ahead of them to start building the confidence of M\u0101ori here in this country\u2019s democracy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Government wants to reduce in effect Te Tiriti o Waitangi across all legislation, so that they only need to \u201Ctake into account\u201D. We\u2019ve gone past that\u2014\u201Ctake into account\u201D. It is now time to put a M\u0101ori on the Electoral Commission. If not, Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori are calling for a M\u0101ori Electoral Commission, to be able to look after the M\u0101ori electoral option and to take care of those who want to participate in this country\u2019s democracy. Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori are concerned that the decision not to appoint a single M\u0101ori voice to the Electoral Commission board was a deliberate decision to sideline our people, our rights, and our concerns once again. Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori has always been clear: a strong democracy includes everyone, especially those the system has harmed and suppressed for far too long.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe ask the Minister to appoint a representative to the Electoral Commission board who has whakapapa M\u0101ori, who is able to engage with our people, developing capability in tikanga and te ao M\u0101ori, engaging meaningfully with M\u0101ori, and improving outcomes for M\u0101ori and the protection of the M\u0101ori electoral option. \u003Cspan lang=\u0022mi\u0022\u003EKia ora t\u0101tou\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223ee42776d26575352b8b840ab897fa4e\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the motion be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat, under section 4D of the Electoral Act 1993 and section 32 of the Crown Entities Act 2004, this House recommend Her Excellency the Governor-General appoint Susan Elizabeth Elliott ONZM, Murray David Jack, and David Brian O\u2019Connor as members of the Electoral Commission, each for a term of three years commencing on the date of appointment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 101\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; New Zealand Labour 34, ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 21\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d0384a14b60df29b83f595777b2011c\u0022\u003EASSISTANT SPEAKER (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: I declare the House in committee for consideration of the Redress System for Abuse in Care Bill and the Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f8c478130b8ccc01689d27cf39994602\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a5bc2c3b8973b02973da44dc28a6edf4\u0022\u003ERedress System for Abuse in Care Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022be8e1a6a741483a9a0f3de3e0e5392e6\u0022\u003ECommittee of the whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000546\u0022\u003EDebate resumed from 13 May.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsClauseHeading\u0022 id=\u00227d59e60a2c96cbf2dfb452697ace9059\u0022\u003EPart 2 Redress system for abuse in care (continued)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002274fdca068dce9b6d6559d50a1a6c4cb0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the House is in committee for further consideration of the Redress System for Abuse in Care Bill and for consideration of the Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill. We start with the Redress System for Abuse in Care Bill. When we were last considering this bill we were debating Part 2. This is the debate on clauses 9 to 25, including proposed new clause 26: \u201CRedress system for abuse in care\u201D. The question again is that Part 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022 data-id=\u0022206bf86c05557688c6a6812183fb65d0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022206bf86c05557688c6a6812183fb65d0\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert) (17:22)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, and hello, Minister. I\u2019d like to ask some questions about the possibility of an amendment which has been put up by Willow-Jean Prime about clauses 9 and 10, which is about changing the structure so that there would be a panel rather than a single officer. The amendment proposes that the Minister would appoint a redress panel and it would involve three to five people who were there to represent survivors, advocates, and experts. They could well come from people who were survivors and they would still have the benefit of a retired judge, a King\u2019s Counsel, or a lawyer of no less than seven years\u2019 experience.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe issue here is really the nature of the problem we have and the need for people who have been involved at that level of actual experience being involved in the process of making these decisions. It is something we heard over and over again from the royal commission\u2014that an extremely important feature of any proper redress was that those people who were most affected would have a part to play in the system itself. There have been lots of discussions about how there has been concern that they have been left out of the loop more than they would have liked\u2014and that is criticism that\u2019s come back on us all\u2014but a panel in this situation would mean that we would be able to look at that. So I would love the Minister to address that issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThen, I\u2019d also like to talk about clause 10. This is the part of clause 10 that is about the understanding that people have. It\u2019s related to the other question, but rather than putting up a proposal for a panel, this is an alternative proposal which builds in a knowledge and understanding of the relationship between childhood trauma and criminal behaviour. Given what we\u2019re discussing here, this is an amendment that was put on 13 May by Willow-Jean Prime. What we\u2019re discussing here is that need to understand that, for people who have seriously offended, it hasn\u2019t come out of the blue. We\u2019ve had some discussion about this in other ways, but this is an amendment that\u2019s been put about making sure that we are well aware and across the issue of childhood trauma. That issue is not a kind of cute issue; it\u2019s actually a highly scientific one, so we will need a knowledge that will be changing. It would need to be up-to-date knowledge in that situation, and that would require the panel to have somebody on it who has that kind of understanding. Those are my clause 10 questions. I have questions on other clauses. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022fe90dd60953112b16475b8aef6fe63f6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fe90dd60953112b16475b8aef6fe63f6\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (17:26)\u003C/span\u003E: In relation to the first paper that the member was discussing, we did consider this as part of our policy development\u2014whether or not we would have a panel or a single officer\u2014but the decision was made to have a single officer. It was with the appropriate skills and experience, and we consider that to be most efficient, so we won\u2019t be supporting that Amendment Paper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EOn the second Amendment Paper that the member asked about, what she is asking has already captured in clause 10(1)(b)(i). This requires a redress officer to have knowledge and understanding of the criminal justice system, the royal commission\u2019s findings, and the impact of abuse in care survivors. This clause was already strengthened by the select committee to make explicit reference to the impact of abuse in care on survivors. The concern behind the amendment has already been addressed and we won\u2019t be supporting it. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u0022c172e52bb345e11eff969cb5aee6c850\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022c172e52bb345e11eff969cb5aee6c850\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (17:27)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Mr Chair. OK, I\u2019m going to start with a really basic question for you, Minister. Unfortunately, this is something that was probably covered in Part 1, but I just want to check who the redress agency is; that\u2019s fine if you wouldn\u2019t mind answering that. I do have specific questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMr Chair, just for your understanding\u2014sorry, just to recap in terms of what was discussed previously, the last time we read this bill at committee stage, I asked the Minister regarding some of the additional considerations or criteria that we see in clause 10B. I do want to acknowledge the Minister for her response on that in terms of the people that she has worked with in the past that are potentially suitable for this particular role. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI do want to just support the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s amendment in terms of a panel. The reason for that is actually, potentially, something that\u2019s touched on in clause 10B when it comes to the vacation of office. Now, in clause 10B, when we look at vacation of office, I understand the additional thing that\u2019s been put in there is in terms of being removed or resigning at any time. In terms of clauses 10A and 10B, what is not clear in these two clauses is whether any subsequent appointment, if the redress officer resigns or is removed, is going to follow on immediately from the previous person\u2014as in, is there going to be a gap that we\u2019re going to be seeing where there\u2019s no redress officer? I think this is where I want to come back to the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s amendment because when you have a panel, if one person is removed or resigns, you still have the baseline of the panel, whereas, potentially, there is a good reason and good explanation for that, but I do want to check with the Minister: in the event of clause 10B, what is the time frame between the previous redress officer resigning or being removed and a new officer commencing?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMy final question at this stage is around clause 11, which is \u201CFunction of duty of redress officer\u201D. Now, understanding that when we are asking all of these questions, what we are considering is from the perspective of the victim, and understanding that the survivor and victim have trauma and there is a risk of re-traumatising that maybe many of us have never experienced.  I think, as a House, we need to acknowledge that not that many of us, if any, have experienced the kind of trauma and abuse that these survivors have experienced. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhen we do ask these questions, it\u2019s mainly also from a perspective to reassure, if need be, the survivors that if they are going through this part of the process in Part 2, which details the operational aspect of the redress officer, redress agency, and the whole redress process, it is for them to know that things will be done in an appropriate way. The question then, for clause 11, is this. In clause 11(2), it says that \u201CThe redress officer must act independently\u201D, but I note that \u201Cindependently\u201D doesn\u2019t necessarily equate to \u201Cfairly\u201D. I want to check with the Minister whether the Minister has considered that the redress officer must act independently and fairly when making a determination as to what a serious violent or sexual offender should be entitled to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s my final question. So the first question is just very quickly\u2014if the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind responding\u2014who the redress agency is, and I apologise if this has been addressed previously. I do want to address the issue in terms of when there can be a gap between a previous officer and a new officer commencing, and, finally, could she just reassure us that\u2014even if the Minister does not intend to add the new word \u201Cfairly\u201D\u2014in the Minister\u2019s interpretation of \u201Cindependently\u201D, it implies \u201Cfairly\u201D. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022 data-id=\u002228b387db8d19d8c29f7398b35e03b36c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002228b387db8d19d8c29f7398b35e03b36c\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri) (17:31)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. I\u2019ve got a couple of fairly simple questions, but they do come off the back of the previous speaker\u2014quite a different question\u2014on clause 10B. When I look at the vacation of office, there are things there like bankruptcy, which are kind of bright lines. They\u2019re very easy to understand. It\u2019s totally appropriate for the trust of that office to not have somebody who is bankrupt in it, and I can understand that. The \u201Cinability to perform the functions,\u201D one is a little bit blurred, but probably still justifiable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhat concerns me, really, are the two provisions clause 10B(1)(c), which is \u201Cneglect of duty:\u201D, and clause 10B(1)(d), which is \u201Cmisconduct.\u201D The reason I ask about that is to get a sense from the Minister if that is a broad discretion. When I look there, it says that it\u2019s \u201Cto the satisfaction of the Minister:\u201D. What advice has she received and what are the parameters of that discretion that she has, because \u201Cneglect of duty:\u201D could be interpreted in quite a political way, potentially, and \u201Cmisconduct.\u201D, equally, could be interpreted quite broadly. Is there a definition of \u201Cmisconduct\u201D which is much more narrow, and which we would expect would be about upholding the office of that redress officer, or is there a much broader discretion? If it is narrow, can she please provide the paperwork or advice that shows the parameters of that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI turn also to the previous things around the qualification of the redress officer in clause 10(1)(b). It\u2019s got a whole bunch of things, including \u201Cthe ability to work effectively with people from a range of cultures and backgrounds;\u201D, and there\u2019s an \u201Cand\u201D afterwards\u2014which is good\u2014and there were a whole lot of \u201Cands\u201D previously. So this is a whole series of qualifications that this person must need. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt is interesting to me, and I know that the Minister probably does have an issue with the explicit mention of Te Tiriti, but we\u2019re talking about an area here where M\u0101ori have been significantly overrepresented for decades in the abuse and care system, and many of their socio-economic circumstances have been\u2014and there is evidence of this\u2014a direct result of colonisation and the kinds of pressures M\u0101ori communities were under. So while I think it\u2019s a good thing to see a range of cultures and backgrounds, I\u2019d like to understand what officials gave as advice regarding M\u0101ori, particularly, and Te Tiriti obligations, and whether she considered to put that in as a safeguard. I know that the Minister doesn\u2019t like it in a lot of other legislation, but with this particular legislation, it would seem highly appropriate. Could she let us know her thinking and logic on that? Thank you. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022647350deb845b20d1df32b4f050ce7ec\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022647350deb845b20d1df32b4f050ce7ec\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (17:34)\u003C/span\u003E: The member shouldn\u2019t presuppose what I do and don\u2019t think about different clauses in other Acts. In relation to clause 10B, the Minister\u2014this is about the neglect of duty and misconduct\u2014the Minister, or me, whoever it is, will be required to act reasonably when making decisions about the removal. This is a really standard removal provision in legislation, and of course those decisions are always subject to judicial review. So that clears that one up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI want to just go back to Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s points and take them one by one. The first one we\u2019ve already discussed, last time, and he\u2019ll be aware of that. It\u2019s just repetition. We\u2019ve already said that the Minister may at any time appoint a redress officer and alternative redress officer. We can have one waiting in the wings, and so if the redress officer for any reason is unable to do his duties or her duties, then that person can take over. We already discussed that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn relation to the member was asking who the redress agencies are, the redress agencies, of course, are Oranga Tamariki, Ministry of Social Development, Ministry of Health, Ministry of Education, Department of Corrections, and Te Puni K\u014Dkiri. It depends which one of those redress agencies is the one that the survivor is bringing their claim through, in relation to this part of the bill. That\u2019s relatively self-evident, I would have thought.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThere was one more part around the redress officer having to act fairly. The redress officer of course is going to have to be\u2014well, they\u2019ll have to comply with natural justice requirements. The bill also specifies that the survivor can make submissions to support their application. But I guess, overall\u2014as the member knows\u2014they\u2019ll be a King\u2019s Counsel. You would expect, of course, that along with all those other things I\u2019ve already said, a King\u2019s Counsel will act fairly, and so I think that that is probably just nitpicking at this point.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022 data-id=\u0022be77de991a36aa2130e38cd237b752f2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022be77de991a36aa2130e38cd237b752f2\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert) (17:37)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Speaker. I just want to comment on the issue over misconduct, because it wasn\u2019t something that I had considered until my friend stood up and talked about it. Of course, there\u2019s a very big difference between misconduct and serious misconduct. Misconduct is actually a range that goes from something very trivial right through. Would the Minister consider what would be more normal would be serious misconduct, because that is a fundamental breach of the employment relationship and that\u2019s the common language. You wouldn\u2019t usually see the word \u201Cmisconduct\u201D used in that way.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI also want to ask about the independence, but in a very different way. Because I can see that, under clause 10A\u2014and this was discussed by the select committee\u2014there was a decision to make about a five-year term; and there\u2019s also a redress officer being eligible for reappointment. Now, the realities are they if somebody is coming up for reappointment, that that is a carrot that is being dangled. If you have a five-year term and the possibility of reappointment, do you think that that could influence the decision maker and actually erode the independence that\u2019s intended under clause 11(2), because I would be concerned about that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThose are my questions on clause 11, but if I could go to clause 12 now and ask another question. This is about the agency publishing eligibility criteria, and this has quite different concerns in it, because when I look at those eligibility criteria I don\u2019t see them as consistent with other parts of the bill. If you have a look at clause 20(4), you will a list of things that the redress officer must consider. Those, to me, seem to be relevant as to whether you\u2019re eligible or not, and so they seem additional criteria. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThen, the second part of clause 12(2)(b) is that \u201Ca statement that serious violent or sexual offenders are not eligible to receive financial\u201D\u2014a statement must be made, but they are. If you look at\u2014well, there is a presumption that there is ineligibility. The whole point is to look at it again.  So it\u2019s not as simple as saying they\u2019re not eligible. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhat I\u2019m concerned about is really practical. If you tell people they\u2019re not eligible, they\u2019ll think they\u2019re not eligible. If you don\u2019t tell people the criteria that are listed in clause 24, then they don\u2019t know. Those things should be part of the publication, surely, in this case. The right to reapply in clause 21 and the list in clause 24 seem relevant and contradictory to clause 12; one seems to mislead in terms of what is being told, because, in fact, those people are eligible in certain circumstances. It doesn\u2019t say there is a presumption, it says they are not eligible. Well, are they or aren\u2019t they? Because I understood that the position of the Minister, and she can answer this, was that they are eligible. There\u2019s just a presumption and they should be making those things. Does she agree with me that those criteria should be going in plainly so that people who are looking at this know exactly what those criteria are? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThose are just the two questions. I do have questions about other sections, but I would love an answer to those at this point. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u002241152aeb17288f4e7edbe5913933b9b4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002241152aeb17288f4e7edbe5913933b9b4\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (17:41)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. Thank you, Minister, for your response. Unfortunately, I wasn\u2019t here for part of Part 1, but I really appreciate the Minister for responding to the question around redress agency. But just want to pick up on something that the Minister\u2019s said, that I think, in some ways, didn\u2019t sit as well with me because the Minister made a comment on my colleague Ingrid Leary\u2019s remark about Treaty clauses. But also want to caution the Minister around using terms like \u201Cnitpicking\u201D, because on one hand, it is the role of Parliament when we are scrutinising bills such as this, and ministerial intent is incredibly important, including in each subtle change to the legislation, but I also want to caution the Minister on the assumption of the intention of the House when we are scrutinising the bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBut with that, I do want to move on to clause 12 and 13\u2014so we are moving through the bill systematically. In terms of clause 12, when we\u2019re looking at \u201Cmust publish eligibility criteria\u201D, I think the addition by the select committee, \u201Cis available free of charge on an internet site maintained by or on behalf of the redress agency\u201D, is an important inclusion to be made. But I also want to ask the Minister that, in instances, particularly when we\u2019re looking at survivors of abuse in care, particularly when we\u2019re looking at, you know, people who are in prison, who are remanded, etc., that we know for the fact that the literacy rate is lower, and we do know the fact that there\u2019s a high level of dyslexia and neurodivergency within that. I do want to check that even including clause 12(1), when we are looking at \u201Cthat agency is available free of charge,\u201D what I\u2019m not seeing, potentially, is that it is accessible, because, again, that is really important. So if that\u2019s the assumption, again, if that is something that is implied, I would like the Minister to just state that ministerial intent that when we are looking at the criteria that they will be in an accessible format for survivors, especially, I think, you know, previous people have mentioned a large number of survivors are also from the disabled communities. So that\u2019s my first question in terms of clause 12.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EUnder clause 13, and, in some ways, clause 14\u2014this is the part where I think it\u2019s really important for the Minister to elucidate to the House on her Amendment Papers\u2014Amendment Paper 581. I\u2019m looking at the changes that she has made to clause 13 and clause 14. Now, this is not in the explanatory note on why those changes are being made. So I do want to question the Minister on why has there been a change from \u201Can applicant\u201D to \u201Ca person who applies\u201D and \u201Capplicant\u201D with \u201Cperson\u201D in both of those clauses? What is the difference between the terminology when we\u2019re looking at that? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EFinal question on this particular point is: in clause 14, we\u2019re seeing in the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 581, \u201Creplace \u201Can applicant\u201D (page 8, line 31) with \u201Ca person who applies\u201D, and \u201Creplace the \u201Capplicant\u201D (page 8, line 33) with \u201Cthe person.\u201D What he doesn\u2019t state is replace the term \u201Capplicant\u201D in the subheading with a \u201Cperson who applies\u201D\u2014this is page 8, line 30. So what then would then be the implication if the substance of the clause had the terminology changed but not the heading? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESo those are my, I guess, three questions regarding clause 12 and 13.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00222bf0f4056bd003921d0d4248365d91ce\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222bf0f4056bd003921d0d4248365d91ce\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (17:45)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. I just wanted respond to Helen White\u2019s question around the eligibility criteria. The eligibility criteria in clause 20\u2014there\u2019s a simple difference here\u2014are factors to be considered by the redress officer when they\u2019re making their determinations about overturning the presumptions. They are not the eligibility criteria for redress. A serious offender may well be eligible for other forms of redress other than financial, so making sure the eligibility criteria is published is important. Those two things are very separate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EIn relation to Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s further nitpicking\u2014it was a technical change made by the Parliamentary Counsel Office to make sure there was consistency in the bill. Thank you for your question, though.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022 data-id=\u0022f5de5a27f588bea9be6af629df674a10\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f5de5a27f588bea9be6af629df674a10\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri) (17:46)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. I\u2019m just picking up on the many hoops that these presumptions are requiring people who may, ultimately, prove eligible to go through, and Helen White has already raised the issue of what they know about their eligibility, but it appears to me that there are some other hurdles as well. If we look at the grounds on which the redress can be determined, one of them says that they can get redressed provided they don\u2019t \u201Cadversely affect public confidence in the redress scheme.\u201D And I\u2019m just curious\u2014that\u2019s in clause 19(2). It\u2019s such a broad iteration of what that could involve. I mean, in whose determination\u2014for example, if there was a lobby group that heard that somebody was going to be applying for this and put public pressure on, is that in itself enough to bring the system into disrepute? And I\u2019m wondering how that kind of coincides with the rules of natural justice. So if the Minister could explain who and how the public confidence in the redress scheme would be addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThen, when we look at what is required to happen, the person who might be eligible is required, before a determination is made under new section 20C, the redress officer must give them the opportunity to put forward information or make submissions. Again, it\u2019s quite silent on how that\u2019s done. How proactive is that duty on the redress officer? Is it an email? Is it just a period of time? Is there a minimum requirement? How is it assessed that the redress officer has given adequate diligence to the duties that they have under new section 20C? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAnd then, I note, that they can only apply again if the circumstances change once, unless subclause (5) applies. And I\u2019m curious to know that if there was a case such as we have seen in recent history of people who have been locked away for very serious offences like murder for 10-20 years, and have suddenly been found not guilty, and yet they have applied previously, is that caught by clause 21(5) or is there a kind of limitation period? How will that apply if somebody has been found not guilty, but they have already used up the allotment\u2014which is one\u2014of trying to claim redress? What is the guidance around that? Good sense would tell us that that person should be able to get redress. Is the Minister confident that that is possible under subclause (5) even after a long period of time?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022da937e52519343e067e49f3a5950ba1e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022da937e52519343e067e49f3a5950ba1e\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (17:49)\u003C/span\u003E: Just in relation to the questions around the eligibility criteria and whether or not people would be able to understand those, many survivors are legally represented, and that is one of the things that we will provide through the redress scheme, so they have help to understand how the eligibility criteria applies to them. In a similar vein, redress agency staff are trained as part of their job to work with survivors and can help them to understand that criteria.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EIn relation to this question around bringing the scheme into disrepute, this is a judgment call for the redress officer, considering all of the criteria set out in clause 20. They must provide their reasoning, but in the end it is their judgment call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u00220bda49201f5ee920747b63d592c33069\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220bda49201f5ee920747b63d592c33069\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (17:50)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair, and, again, thank you, Minister Stanford, for your response. I do acknowledge the fact that that time, particularly with clause 13 and 14, that was nitpicking. I do want to move on to clauses 15 and 16. In terms of the application process that we see here, where the applicants must disclose, in clause 14 etc., when a person then goes through that criminal check, I guess the question kind of remains: what consideration has the Minister had, or in her conversation with the suite of redress agencies, of how to work with the survivors, particularly when all of them need to be police checked, etc., and that again may trigger certain trauma, etc. So how do we mitigate when everyone\u2019s being checked in that case, when we\u2019re looking at clause 14\u2014sorry, actually, clause 13(b) specifies that; clause 15 simply talks about the agency conducting that criminal check.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhat\u2019s also not clear when it comes to clause 15, when it comes to the agency conducting the check: is there a standard time frame we\u2019re looking at for when the criminal check should be conducted and when a survivor is expected to get some sort of response from the redress agency on whether their criminal check has been passed or not. When they first apply, for example: is there even an automated response saying, \u201CPlease expect to hear back from us within four weeks.\u201D? Is that something that has been considered or discussed with the redress agency?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think, finally, I want to touch on just the beginning of this, because I think there\u2019s more to unpack when it comes to \u201CProcess if a person is serious violent or sexual offender\u201D under clause 16. That is to do with the notification aspect. If the criminal check for the person considers the person to be, essentially, ineligible, how\u2014it says \u201Cmust notify the person\u201D, I understand. What would that notification also look like? Would that be expected to be in writing in a physical format or in writing in an email format, etc.? Again, I think these are some of the questions that we heard from the survivors, to know what to expect as they go through this process. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd2a3e517de760c5fa86111ecb29478b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd2a3e517de760c5fa86111ecb29478b\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (17:53)\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s the same question that Ingrid Leary asked before, which I\u2019ll answer now. The procedure will be determined by the redress officer and will have to comply with natural justice. Survivors, of course, would be given a fair opportunity to put forward their submissions, and the redress officer will publish the process that they undertake.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EJust clearing up with the member, as already discussed a number of times through this committee of the whole House process: not every single person will be checked with the criminal check\u2014we\u2019ve already discussed this\u2014only those who declare a conviction, and staff are trained to work very sensitively with survivors throughout the process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022 data-id=\u00229f98077f5b2c4925ee9c3c78ef338239\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229f98077f5b2c4925ee9c3c78ef338239\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert) (17:54)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. I\u2019d like to talk about clause 20 and Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s amendment to this clause, which was tabled on 13 May, where she proposes to add a clause to that which allows the consideration of the nature and severity of the person\u2019s history of abuse.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257c22c2714be2761f686a4411b2de5a9\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s the Amendment Paper number?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a4d88582641505dfb14be58e61d312f\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Oh, sorry, it just says 7.30.09.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d86706195ddf856a79e58f4a51c10c60\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: Yep, got it\u2014thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002269b813aa329ec728c493bcc167d7d9af\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much. So this is quite a substantive argument around this amendment, because the issue is, really, where is that line? The history of abuse and the severity of it is something that the Minister in the chair, Erica Stanford, has already made a line call about, with regard to torture. So where\u2019s that line, and should it be something that an intelligent person takes into account rather than it\u2019s either in or it\u2019s completely out? So I would really like to know about that, particularly with regard to the decision that was made that there is a point where it becomes untenable. Where is the tenable line, and shouldn\u2019t we have a criteria in there that allows discretion that creates fair and reasonable decision-making by doing that? That is clause 20.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019d also like to talk about another amendment by Willow-Jean Prime, which is around inserting new clause 21A, and that is the potential for\u2014and, so sorry; I appreciate that the Minister\u2019s getting some advice, and this is a totally new point, but shall I just go on? On 21A, there\u2019s a proposal that we put in a right of appeal, that any survivor dissatisfied with the redress officer determination may appeal to the District Court, and that the appeal may be lodged by the survivor or the representatives or estate if the survivor is incapacitated or deceased.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, this is a very interesting idea, I think. I have asked the question a while ago\u2014I never got an answer to it\u2014about why anyone would choose this pathway if in fact they were in the category that means there\u2019s going to be a presumption against them given that they could go to the court. I am concerned that this is going to backfire completely and that for the more serious criminal cases, those people will have no real redress. I appreciate that the Minister says that they get something under this and that\u2019s why I\u2019m not right about the eligibility criteria, but, actually, it\u2019s upfront information they need, because they\u2019re choosing pathways\u2014because my understanding is they can choose another pathway. Now, if they choose the other pathway, they\u2019re very likely to become the cases that we hear about where large awards are made because there is no causal connection between their behaviour later in terms of that and the liability of the State for what is abuse. So it\u2019s a serious issue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis clause seems to me to be quite relevant in terms of allowing an appeal. It allows people a pathway through in this situation, and so it may actually help not create that problem of all the cases where people have been imprisoned for serious offences afterwards going through a different pathway and those people actually being a lot better off financially than ones in the system.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESo can I have an answer to whether the Minister is prepared to accept that amendment by the Hon Willow-Jean Prime? I can see you\u2019re ready to answer. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022543820a1efd4d275ff52ead3adfe941e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022543820a1efd4d275ff52ead3adfe941e\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (17:58)\u003C/span\u003E: Right, one by one. I forget who asked this, but it came up earlier about criminal record checks\u2014it might\u2019ve been Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan. Criminal record checks will be done as soon as practicable and when, also, they are appropriate to be done. So you might find that some agencies that have a backlog of claims will do the criminal check closer to the time when the claim is assessed, as you can imagine.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOn the first amendment that Helen White spoke about, the matter has already been considered during policy development and also by the Social Services and Community Committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe decision-making framework in clause 20 puts the focus on rehabilitation and offending and steps then taken to avoid further offending. It\u2019s because of the nature of the offending and its impact on victims that it is likely to bring the redress system into disrepute. The risk is mitigated where a serious offender has avoided further offending and/or taken significant steps towards that rehabilitation. Including a factor of the kind proposed may well create a perception that the harm caused to a person in care is to be weighted against the harm caused to the victim of a serious crime, which risks revictimising the victim. Adding experiences of abuse as a consideration would also raise complexities as it would require the redress officer to test the evidence and make a finding of fact about experiences in care. This would be inconsistent with the out of court redress schemes, which do not make findings of fact about a person\u2019s time in care.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, that is relevant to the next amendment, as well, that the member spoke of. Again, this was already taken into consideration by the select committee. The nature of the redress officer\u2019s decision means that a judicial review is a more appropriate form of challenge than an appeal. Again, coming back to this matter of fact, an appeal is suitable when the decision involves making a finding of fact and that in the application of the law to the facts as found on appeal, a decision can be found to be right or wrong in fact or law. A judicial review is more appropriate for evaluating decisions such as those that are to be made by a redress officer where the issue is about the reasonableness of the decision rather than the weight that it is right or wrong. So survivors can bring judicial review proceedings if they consider that a decision made by the redress officer is unfair or unreasonable, and the right to seek a judicial review is enshrined in the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act and the Judicial Review Procedure Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ccc35c5de8946a5c15fe44f8fec6041c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The time has come for me to leave the Chair for the meal break. The House will resume at 7.30.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterItalicsCentred\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 6.01 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ee5d6e197fa823edc1ca9a5c504018a3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the committee is resumed, and we are in committee for further consideration of the Redress System for Abuse in Care Bill and for consideration of the Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill. We start with the Redress System for Abuse in Care Bill. When we were last considering this bill, we were debating Part 2\u2014the debate on clauses 9 to 25, including proposed new clause 26\u2014\u201CRedress system for abuse in care\u201D. The question is, again, that Part 2 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022 data-id=\u002238d0573a2092b77a40e5182d839d9795\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002238d0573a2092b77a40e5182d839d9795\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert) (19:30)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I have been to the Table and picked up a new amendment, as I understand it, from the Minister. It relates to clause 12, so I appreciate it\u2019s backtracking, but it\u2019s through no fault of my own. It\u2019s an entirely new point. I would like the Minister to explain the amendment. What we seem to have here is an amendment that replaces the \u201Cand\u201D with a \u201Cwith\u201D in clause 12(2)(a)(ii)(C). It\u2019s \u201Ccounselling or other well-being support; with\u201D, I think. Then we\u2019ve got, after that clause, a subsubparagraph (D) added. It\u2019s going to say, \u201Cassistance with accessing care records\u201D. This is about what will published in terms of criteria, so I\u2019d love an explanation for this clause, and I do have a question that\u2019s more where we were going, but I thought it would be good just to open this.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226b3b384afc5f86f7dbed903fa328d2a4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Let\u2019s just clarify that one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022efac29ae1dda1895d9db6c1deb577978\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022efac29ae1dda1895d9db6c1deb577978\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (19:31)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. There was a tabled amendment put forward by Willow-Jean Prime that the majority of parties or members agreed to. When the officials went back through it to make sure that it was consistently applied through the bill, they realised it would be required in clause 12 as well. It\u2019s very straight forward. It\u2019s just to make sure there\u2019s consistency with the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s amendment, which we agreed with and accepted. This is just to make sure that it\u2019s consistently applied.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022 data-id=\u002272d97efcb28aff972459f204a9566f51\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272d97efcb28aff972459f204a9566f51\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert) (19:32)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much. That makes a lot of sense. Basically, that was an amendment that was made to Part 1 that has already been voted upon, and so it just makes Part 2 consistent with that, as I understand it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe next question that I have relates to proposed new clause 25A. That is, again, the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s amendment that I\u2019m talking to. Her proposal there is that an apology must be developed in partnership, and she\u2019s talking about developing an apology in partnership with the survivor, and that\u2019s about responding to the particular needs of that particular survivor\u2014so not having a cookie cutter approach but developing that apology with that survivor to make it make sense to them and be meaningful to them. That seems to me an extremely sensible proposal.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOne of the things that I did when I was preparing for this was I looked at the people who were the commissioners, basically, on the royal commission. They were extremely esteemed people. Coral Shaw, who I think is one of the most wonderful people in terms of a background in family law. Having done many jobs, she ended up in this one, and her suggestion was that this really needed to be about survivor-led responses and survivor-designed responses. This is absolutely in line with that in terms of what an apology means. I did talk about my concern about what was lacking in what we were doing in terms of the need for an apology in the first part. My question is whether we will look at amending this so that the apology is something that is actually worked out with the survivor. That seems to me something that is of extreme validity and is very much in the spirit of what those commissioners talked about. I would like a response on that. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00226c49ec5b75516718d741e19905e3c319\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00226c49ec5b75516718d741e19905e3c319\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (19:34)\u003C/span\u003E: The Government is still to formally respond to the specific recommendation from \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EHe Purapura Ora, he M\u0101ra Tipu\u003C/span\u003E, so it would be premature to codify in this legislation prior to that happening. A response to the royal commission\u2019s recommendations on personal apologies will be formalised after redress Ministers agree a common apologies policy, so we won\u2019t be supporting the amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022 data-id=\u00229dbfbcd900553f56da4d794c6c208e99\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229dbfbcd900553f56da4d794c6c208e99\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri) (19:35)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I\u2019d like to take a question on a clause that we haven\u2019t looked at yet, which is \u201CReporting obligations of redress officer\u201D. There\u2019s quite a lot of stuff that has been crossed out, and then there\u2019s been a shorter iteration of what\u2019s required. I\u2019m trying to understand, because they\u2019re a little bit different from each other, what the purpose of the reporting obligations are. It appears to me\u2014and the Minister may be able to tell me if this is correct\u2014that initially it looked like this was about collecting information and providing some kind of logical rationale so that legal counsel or others could make a predetermination to assess the merits of a claim, but then it looks like, perhaps, the specificity of that was dangerous from a kind of privacy and sensitivity basis\u2014also for victims\u2014and, therefore, it has been crunched down into something more like a summary. In that case, then, I\u2019m not quite sure what the purpose is, because there are publication requirements. I think the language has been extended so that it\u2019s not just anonymised to the person but to all those involved in the case, but if there isn\u2019t enough detail to provide precedent and principles, then I\u2019m just curious to know what the reporting requirements are, apart from maybe showing that the redress officer is getting through a certain number of cases. I really don\u2019t know. That would be quite useful, and it would be really helpful if the Minister could explain the change in the language and what the liberties involved with that and that required that change are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe second question is: given the seriousness of what could happen either to those applicants who have their details accidentally revealed\u2014but particularly families or victims of\u2014the bill is silent on whether there is any liability of duty of care on what is published, so what are the safeguards to ensure that that reporting requirement is carried out diligently and that there is recourse if, somehow, there is a breach of the sensitive material that should be kept anonymised according to that clause?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThen, finally, my question is about\u2014sorry, I\u2019ll just put my glasses back on\u2014the \u201Crecovery of financial redress\u201D under 24A. Basically, it says that if somebody doesn\u2019t disclose that they\u2019ve got a serious criminal conviction according to clause 13, they could be \u201Cliable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $5,000.\u201D, and it\u2019s the same with a serious violent or sexual offence. But the Minister herself has said that this whole system is predicated on legal advice and legal counsel. I\u2019m curious, when you think of the disparity between the knowledge of the system and the requirements of those who are seeking redress versus that of whoever\u2019s guiding them, why is this a personal liability from that person? Yes, they could go to the Law Society or Law Commission or whatever and try and then make a lawyer or a legal advocate responsible for the failure to disclose, but it seems to me that the burden here is on the wrong person and there should at least be some shared accountability if those seeking to get redress have somehow been misled about the nature and status of their conviction. Of course, if they had an honest belief in that, they could argue it, but it just seems very onerous that all of this falls on them when the Minister, in her own words, has said in relation to previous questions that we don\u2019t have to worry about a lot of things, because legal counsel will be there guiding these people all the way through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022284f6b49572a86d05b6471fbf51d8dd1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022284f6b49572a86d05b6471fbf51d8dd1\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (19:39)\u003C/span\u003E: There are a number of things in there. The very first point that the member made about privacy, essentially, answered her own question, so I don\u2019t need to go there, because she was exactly right. The purpose of the reporting is openness and transparency. There is a privacy part built into this where they\u2019re not allowed to identify any person or report in such a way that identifies a person. That clarifies that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe report will talk about the number of claims\u2014as you can see in here\u2014that are accepted and that are not, or overturned or not. The decisions are not published. They\u2019re the actual decisions, and not identifying the person is a safeguard.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn relation to her part about point 24, it\u2019s relatively obvious that lawyers are able to advise their clients but they can\u2019t advise their clients on something they don\u2019t know about. It\u2019s very important that we are relying on the honesty of survivors to tell us whether or not they fall within the presumption. They can have all the legal advice in the world, but if they don\u2019t disclose it, to either their lawyer or anyone else, then that is a problem. We are relying on their honesty, and this is a backstop for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022 data-id=\u0022cd1bfc5c5ef3bb657a638fa9083b8af7\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022cd1bfc5c5ef3bb657a638fa9083b8af7\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri) (19:41)\u003C/span\u003E: Just to pick up on the Minister\u2019s very helpful answers, my understanding is that if there is a conviction, there is a public record of it, and so the lawyer would be best placed to actually do the due diligence to understand the nature of the crime, and also to warn the client of their duties. Again, it seems to me that there is an ability for the legal counsel and, in fact, a duty for the legal counsel to get that information accurately or at least advise people. That is a disproportionate level of knowledge that they have, versus the person who is seeking it. Especially if you\u2019re signing all sorts of forms while you\u2019re engaging lawyers to do this work, there must be a way that the lawyers can actually do due diligence; not just say \u201CWell, I was misadvised by my clients.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022 data-id=\u00222176a1370de204a7caa8d142ade8c344\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222176a1370de204a7caa8d142ade8c344\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert) (19:41)\u003C/span\u003E: Just to take up the issues of the difference\u2014so we\u2019ve got, basically, parallel clauses here under clause 23 and 24, which relate to clauses 13 and 14. One is about the offence that has already happened, and one is about an offence\u2014well, there might be a conviction that happens during the process, so the application\u2019s already made.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI would like to know from the Minister: that second one is that somebody has declared and that has been correct at the time, and it\u2019s their proactive duty to declare after that point, or to tell people that there\u2019s been that kind of conviction since. That\u2019s quite a different duty. I appreciate that the Minister keeps on saying that the lawyers will just know this stuff, but why haven\u2019t we built into the system as a kind of almost administrative point that they would be put on notice over that? We\u2019ve put them on notice about other things, but we haven\u2019t put them on notice about that. That seems to be a bit hit and miss when you\u2019ve got someone who\u2019s halfway through the process. It\u2019s quite different.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI also wanted to know from the Minister: what\u2019s the story with $5,000? How did we arrive at $5,000 as the liability in this case? Is there some sort of scale this was measured against? Is it a pragmatic decision, and, if so, why? How did we arrive at that figure? Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a9132473ddf040a897b92b965ff8d6b1\u0022 data-id=\u0022088d8b19941d45b868794e926748ff53\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a9132473ddf040a897b92b965ff8d6b1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022088d8b19941d45b868794e926748ff53\u0022\u003EKAHURANGI CARTER (Green) (19:43)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I am wanting to talk around\u2014actually, is it OK if I start talking around the Amendment Papers from the Minister, or is that in another part?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223a75171d19ef7ebb05e434d8227c1124\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: No, it\u2019s in a different part, actually. Sorry\u2014can I just\u2014just one moment. Ah, the amendment to clause 12 is in this part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a9132473ddf040a897b92b965ff8d6b1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022550e7a352687f179dffd09cb53599423\u0022\u003EKAHURANGI CARTER\u003C/span\u003E: The amendment to clause 12. Thank you very much for talking that through.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019m looking here at Part 2, and wanting to talk, again, about that clause 22 and the reporting that we\u2019re talking about here. Now, the Minister has stated that there\u2019s to be transparency, and, in the redress system for abuse in care departmental report, under clause 22, there are some recommendations here that go further than just the transparency. It\u2019s talking about, here on page 44, departmental comment 307, \u201CReporting obligations are intended to support open justice.\u201D The transparency is one part of that, so I\u2019d really like to understand how this reiteration of clause 22, Part 2, is achieving that comment there on page 44. The Minister has clearly said that the new reporting clause is around transparency.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn here, it also talks about that public confidence in the redress officer. It would be great to know what, in this clause\u2014what advice was given, why it was decided that these two rewritten clauses were going to build public confidence other than transparency. Transparency is one part of public confidence, but there\u2019s a whole raft of other things. I really wanted to needle into why this, rather than the section that has been crossed out, is actually going to increase public confidence, and where that advice came from. The rest of that comment says that \u201CWe consider this important, given the redress officer is a statutory officer that acts independently and is publicly funded in making significant decisions about a person\u2019s right to redress.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe reporting is talking about the number of applicants, and the number of applicants declined, but that doesn\u2019t really dig into the actual significant decision and the background into the decision about why somebody who has reapplied for redress has been denied. I understand the need for privacy and that aggregated data\u2014sometimes, it\u2019s very obvious who the person that they\u2019re talking about is, so that there is that right of the survivor who is asking for that redress. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBut apart from transparency and the applications approved and not approved and the summary, what advice has been given around the public confidence? How is this reporting going to increase public confidence, or at least have that public confidence in this redress system? It\u2019s something that the Minister has talked about a lot: making sure that this doesn\u2019t come into disrepute. So what has been done to make sure that this reporting is actually adequate for public confidence, as stated in the departmental report, and doesn\u2019t bring the system into disrepute, which I know is very important to the Minister?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00227d706a70190bd3745ea69cfc2114d1df\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227d706a70190bd3745ea69cfc2114d1df\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (19:48)\u003C/span\u003E: At risk of repeating myself, we\u2019ve already been over this part and explained the fact that these changes were made in the Social Services and Community Committee. Because of the feedback that was given, the select committee made these changes in order to protect the individual\u2014the privacy of the people who are going through the system. As I\u2019ve already said, there will only be a very, very, very small number of people who will go through this process, and if you start talking about the reasons for your decisions, they are potentially going to be identifiable. The select committee already went over this. I\u2019ve already said that this is why we\u2019ve removed much of this: to protect their privacy but to strike the balance to provide information to the public about the decisions without identifying those people. We\u2019re traversing old ground.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022 data-id=\u00225b9b91e2bd19d44f6ff55e72a726e586\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00225b9b91e2bd19d44f6ff55e72a726e586\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri) (19:49)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Just a very quick question, and it\u2019s really for the \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EHansard\u003C/span\u003E, if that\u2019s all right, under the \u201CProcedure for making determination\u201D, clause 20C(1)(b), it talks about making submissions, and then in subclause (2), it says \u201Cthe redress officer may determine their own procedures for making a determination.\u201D This is a particularly important clause, in my view.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EI\u2019m sure the Minister will appreciate the need for flexibility around whether submissions are written or sometimes could be oral submissions. I\u2019m keen to understand her expectation of how that will be delivered and the duty of care on the redress officer to ensure that the format of the submissions are the most appropriate to determine a fair\u2014to achieve justice, really. Because it could be that they determine a process that they just apply blanket to all individuals, but if that\u2019s not the Minister\u2019s expectation, it would be really good to have that on the \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EHansard\u003C/span\u003E so we can get a sense of the type of flexibility that seems to be indicated in subsection (2) of clause 20C. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022369292606555d085f2b218b2c4cecb25\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s tabled amendments to clause 12 and amendments to Part 2 set out on Amendment Papers 569 and 581 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e105f4c867c0e2ba210584f7f4bef7c0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendments to Part 2, replacing the phrases \u201Cserious violent or sexual offenders\u201D and \u201Cserious violent or sexual offender\u201D, are out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendments to clauses 9, 10, 10A, and 10B be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022dde2cac4acc5d8af8db6461f911d6238\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendments to clauses 9, 11, 12, 16, and 17 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002224374b3cebdbce993453ed9b6a4c249f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 10(1)(b), inserting new subparagraph (iia) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230b6db216a62f8060bd57b237f96894b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 11(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002251f6a84f32b46954e00b377c952c9b94\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 12(2), inserting new paragraph (c), be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220f77238c8653cf6311090cd499bca3d1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 20, replacing subclause (2), be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002231bb4c2731ff321b65982aa425878dea\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 20(4), inserting new paragraph (ca) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225a7db8bf2780639604a1e292eee0c235\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 20, replacing subclause (4A), be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221c78dd4ef14ad3c4ee1f22d7e6876ac6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 21A be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225ef3c7d0e7ecc31007f439a63e32aaa6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 22(2), inserting new paragraph (c), be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022632774252fe4db316a686e133e0e9085\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 23 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002226fcd6f474427c9889492df2530aac77\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Mariameno Kapa-Kingi\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 24 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002238d2e87b23a4252faa355b9fdfe88683\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 25A be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat Part 2 as amended be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EPart 2 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022552aecd1961f0cdf2e9a68503ca3259c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Schedule 1\u2014no debate. The Hon Willow-Jean Prime\u2019s tabled amendments to Schedule 1 replacing the phrases \u201Cserious violent and sexual offenders\u201D and \u201Cserious violent and sexual offender\u201D are out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat Schedule 1 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESchedule 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d4740c009bc9093b24dfd39fa473a96f\u0022\u003ECommittee of the whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsClauseHeading\u0022 id=\u002284c3b05995fc01a7ed702f309971e4a2\u0022\u003EClauses 1 and 2\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221815050d32f6347a8b4178ba5eda1012\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: We now come to clauses 1 and 2, which is the debate on \u201CTitle\u201D and \u201CCommencement\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u0022f4bbf0c5426dd9d17dde6cd997aeb248\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f4bbf0c5426dd9d17dde6cd997aeb248\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (20:05)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I just have quite a simple question for the Minister regarding the commencement date. This is something that, unfortunately, the explanatory note was not very helpful on, and this is to do with the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 582. In the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 582, it does specify that clauses 8 to 24A are coming into effect on 1 August 2026, and so I just want to check with the Minister on why that particular change.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ELike I said, the explanatory note is, essentially, a repetition of the clause itself, but, more importantly, if it comes into effect on 1 August 2026, what happens in the meantime? I think that that\u2019s a question that I think others would also be interested in knowing and asking. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019m just also checking that, let\u2019s say, for example, those clauses that come before that, which are clauses 3 to 7\u2014you know, we don\u2019t have a system, yet we do have the rest of the Act coming into force, including the purpose clause, and also the rest in terms of definitions, as well. So I just wanted to check: what was the incentive for that and what are the broader implications? I think that other people may have questions for her, too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022b45de8f0cd5451f7e0e99aa51b743e8f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b45de8f0cd5451f7e0e99aa51b743e8f\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (20:07)\u003C/span\u003E: We have delayed part of the commencement to ensure that we have a redress officer in place to be able to undertake their duties, and so that is the reason for that part being delayed. I believe that was actually something that came out of the select committee. It was a reasonable challenge, and so we\u2019ve just delayed that part so that we can get the redress officer in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EWe already have in place an interim process for new claims since 9 May 2025. That will just continue.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed1060be004965dc11687eee56a0c7ab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002200ae89b8149340638b3bd22c705616a9\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed1060be004965dc11687eee56a0c7ab\u0022\u003EINGRID LEARY (Labour\u2014Taieri) (20:07)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. Turning to the title, at the moment it reads \u201CRedress System for Abuse in Care Bill\u201D. I think it\u2019s really important that anybody who looks at this bill knows it does what it says on the tin, and yet what\u2019s very clear is that this does not address all areas of abuse in care. If we look at torture, torture is carved out for Lake Alice\u2014in fact, any torture is\u2014and in the commentary to the bill it talks about the fact that the Lake Alice example of torture is the only one that the State has ever formally acknowledged. But there are also provisions where the redress system can be wound up, and so the likelihood is that for all the other types of horrendous abuse that were in those many volumes that we ploughed through\u2014which the Labour members read between us\u2014none of those will ever meet that threshold of torture. So already we can see it as not a redress system for abuse in care. It\u2019s for most examples of abuse in care, but not for that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other carve-out is around deceased people. There is no acknowledgment of the fact that many of the survivors of abuse in care died early from physical and mental health issues related to their abuse, and, in fact, there are ongoing severe impacts for family members. Now, those are matters of policy and we cannot adjudicate those here today\u2014that horse has bolted\u2014but I do think there\u2019s an opportunity to actually reflect more accurately what this bill does. Although I don\u2019t have an amendment on the Table, I\u2019d like the Minister to consider whether she could change the title to, say, \u201CRedress System for (Most) Abuse in Care Bill\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThat would be a far more accurate description of what this bill actually does, given that much of it is dedicated to making many\u2014well, a group of survivors, jump through many, many hoops to overcome changes to the presumptions and the burdens that they are required to do, and that is not reflected. Anyone picking up this bill would think that this is going to sort out all the abuse in care\u2014remembering it takes away their rights to other forms of litigation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000752\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESo if the Minister could do that. Clearly, Labour disagrees with the bill but that would give us some sense that the bill is more accurate in what it is portraying to do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022 data-id=\u00220e4ffac7468c65ff2704c6c7cb5b51d4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002232632704a2594ee1b96e617d06beae80\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00220e4ffac7468c65ff2704c6c7cb5b51d4\u0022\u003EHELEN WHITE (Labour\u2014Mt Albert) (20:10)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. My suggested amendment is along similar lines, but it\u2019s not identical. One of the things that I would consider necessary in this title for it to be straightforward for the public is that we reflect the conditional nature of what is happening here. That was something that I spoke quite passionately about in terms of the impact of this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMy suggestion of a much more realistic title is that the bill is the \u201CRedress System for Some Victims of Abuse in Care Conditional Upon Their Criminal Acts Later Bill.\u201D Now, that\u2019s not me playing cutesy; it actually does tell us what we\u2019re doing here. We are making a redress system that\u2019s conditional upon those things. I, for one, think that that\u2019s a real mistake because we are not actually addressing our own evil as a State. We are not saying that we have done harm to these people in the same way as we are saying it to people who have not engaged in criminal acts of a certain type. Yet we\u2019ve done harm to both. In fact, that harm has rippled through our society because the victims of those perpetrators who were victims themselves, it\u2019s not an accident; it\u2019s a really growing up moment for New Zealanders. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think it\u2019s really important that we acknowledge that in the title if that\u2019s what we\u2019re doing, that we\u2019re straight-up about it, because otherwise it\u2019s crazy making to tell people this is a redress system in an entirety, for those who have suffered abuse; it\u2019s just simply not accurate. So I would like the Minister to consider a more straightforward, straight-up title which actually carves out those people who are not going to be able to get redress despite the fact that they have been abused in State care. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000756\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI would like a title, I\u2019m easy on what it looks like, but I\u2019ve given an indication of what it could be. I think the nature, the conditional nature of our apologies, the \u201Cbut\u201D that comes after this, \u201Credress, but not for these people\u201D, \u201Csorry, but not for these people\u201D. That\u2019s a really important part of this bill. That\u2019s a decision that was made by the Minister and it was a majority decision by the select committee, and the Labour Party does not believe that is an accurate title in this case. So I would like her comments on that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022829ec1597dd9d7a7d4f85a9fa207e1db\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000757\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022829ec1597dd9d7a7d4f85a9fa207e1db\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Lead Coordination Minister for the Government\u0027s Response to the Royal Commission\u2019s Report into Historical Abuse in State Care and in the Care of Faith-based Institutions) (20:13)\u003C/span\u003E: My comments are that if the members have suggestions for title changes, they should put Amendment Papers in.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022a9132473ddf040a897b92b965ff8d6b1\u0022 data-id=\u002280cb6e48b39402a96d9d364d95dd2099\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022a9132473ddf040a897b92b965ff8d6b1\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002280cb6e48b39402a96d9d364d95dd2099\u0022\u003EKAHURANGI CARTER (Green) (20:13)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I would like to speak to the title of this bill, and though I don\u2019t have an amendment in, we know that this title does not represent what this bill is. We have talked throughout this committee of the whole House around reapplication, being able to have a review process for when a survivor is denied redress. We\u2019ve talked about the fact that there needs to be disclosure of a criminal offence that would exclude them from accessing redress, dependent on the officer in charge. We\u2019ve also talked about the random police checks that survivors, even those who have not committed any offence, could be subject to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Green Party completely disagrees with this title because it doesn\u2019t explain what this bill actually does. I asked the Minister if they would consider a changing the title of this bill to something that would be more appropriate, something like, \u201CRedress System for Survivors who the Crown Deems Worthy of Redress Bill\u201D, because that is essentially what this bill is doing. I really want the Minister to consider this because we have talked about what the apology that the Minister in charge here gave and that actually now there are conditions on that. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIf the Minister didn\u2019t like the title I\u2019ve suggested, \u201CRedress System for Survivors of Abuse in Care who the Crown Deems Worthy Bill\u201D, maybe the Minister could consider another title for this bill, which summarises the debate that we\u2019ve had here and we know that it is completely in line with the Speakers\u2019 rulings to talk about the title and the summary of this debate within this call. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI wonder if the Minister would consider a title that would be, \u201CRedress System for Abuse in Care for a Chosen few Survivors (an Apology is not an Apology) Bill\u201D. That would represent the fact that apologies given don\u2019t hold weight once this bill is actually passed. That is a real shame for all of us because we know how much survivors had to fight to get to where they are.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI have a few more titles that I want the Minister to consider, but I would like to hear her thoughts on the Green Party\u2019s position on the fact that this title does not represent the bill that the Minister has proposed in terms of redress for some survivors of abuse in care, not those who are deemed unworthy by this bill. The fact that those random police checks are going to be imposed on survivors, even those survivors who have not gone on to offend since their abuse in State care. I\u2019d love to hear from the Minister. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022 data-id=\u0022f2cafc13b90a593f8aa2ef8e9a386f7a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f2cafc13b90a593f8aa2ef8e9a386f7a\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH (Senior Whip\u2014National) (20:18)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat debate on this question now close\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat debate on this question now close.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000767\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000768\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000769\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000770\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat clause 1 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000771\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000773\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000775\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 1 agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000776\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225b2408aa8e2e6b60c4ded45ab1597f8b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendment to clause 2 set out on Amendment Paper 582 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000777\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000778\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat clause 2 as amended be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000779\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000780\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000781\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000782\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000783\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 2 as amended agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000784\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBill to be reported with amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000785\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022650cfab45af44d8af2036878b3b2859c\u0022\u003EEducation and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000786\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a24664487decddbda5131b8a0cf37e32\u0022\u003ECommittee of the whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000787\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsClauseHeading\u0022 id=\u002207fd4b5efad4a21eb92b4a4c554407f7\u0022\u003EPart 1 Amendments to principal Act, and Schedule 1\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000788\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf3d144d941453dc0427b6478c37c571\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we come now to the Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill, and we begin with the debate on Part 1. Part 1 is the debate on clauses 4 to 56\u2014\u201CAmendments to principal Act\u201D\u2014and Schedule\u00A01. The question is that Part 1 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022d3b5ec60a31c800586a7c28b06c51fe1\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000789\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d3b5ec60a31c800586a7c28b06c51fe1\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (20:22)\u003C/span\u003E: Good evening, Madam Chair. Just before we begin the committee\u2019s discussion, I wanted to, once again, thank the members of the public who took time to provide feedback on the bill, and I also acknowledge the members of this committee who are sitting on the Education and Workforce Committee. The feedback we received has been extremely helpful for better understanding the range of viewpoints and shaping a more structured and informed decision.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000790\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAs I mentioned during the second reading, this bill sets out an important system level reform to clarify roles and responsibilities across our education system and to ensure it can effectively support schools, teachers, and learners. Alongside the bill, I also welcome discussion on the Amendment Paper that was introduced. I believe these are changes that are required now. They look to address recent reports which made concerning findings about the Teaching Council\u2019s performance, ongoing concerns about the lack of visibility and assurance of the progress and wellbeing of home-educated learners, as well as recommendations from the royal commission of inquiry into abuse in care.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000791\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI previously expressed my concern that current workforce settings, including those for initial teacher education, are not getting the best outcomes for the delivery of high-quality teaching. The bill shifts responsibility for the professional standard setting from the Teaching Council to the Ministry of Education. This will support better alignment of policy and standard setting and is consistent with other jurisdictions, such as England and Singapore, where standard setting and regulatory functions are separate.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000792\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESince the bill\u2019s introduction, two reports have been published with concerning findings about the Teaching Council. The Debbie Francis report and the Public Service Commission\u2019s review have highlighted serious shortcomings in the Teaching Council\u2019s leadership, culture, purpose, and priorities. I\u2019m particularly concerned about the finding that the council has inadequate focus on child protection and safety. This should be its top priority. These reports make it clear that meaningful performance improvements are required, in addition to the changes in the bill, to ensure the council can deliver on its core responsibilities of student safety and quality teaching. That is why the Amendment Paper proposes five further changes to the Teaching Council, focused on elevating the role of child safety in the council\u2019s statutory purpose; strengthening reporting and monitoring arrangements for the council; requiring the council to give effect to Government policy directions, while also confirming the independence of the council\u2019s decision making on individual cases; changing council membership from seven to nine members appointed by the Minister and changing the threshold for removal of appointed council members to be at the Minister\u2019s discretion; and setting appointment term limits for the council\u2019s chief executive. While these changes will strengthen oversight and accountability, I want to be clear that the Teaching Council remains statutorily independent. The council will retain its responsibility for teacher registration and certification, as well as confidence and conduct processes. I consider these changes are necessary to focus the council on its core responsibilities to restore confidence and ensure the council fulfils its role in the public interest.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000793\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Amendment Paper also proposes strengthening the oversight of home education. Those seeking to home educate will be required to meet certain requirements, prescribed in regulations, to maintain an exemption from enrolment in a registered school. I\u2019m progressing this change in response to ongoing concerns about the lack of visibility and assurance around the quality of home education and educational progress and wellbeing of some home-educated learners. The number of home-educated learners has increased, but we lack adequate tools to assess the quality of their learning or to intervene where needed. The proposed changes include a new power to make regulations that will set out what needs to be done to maintain an exemption from enrolling in a registered school. The regulations will provide specific requirements around the regulatory and content of reporting and may also include other requirements, such as assessment. The changes draw on public feedback and testing with the Education Review Office and Ministry of Education regional staff who work closely with home-educated families. The ministry will also consult with the home-education seeker on the development of the regulations before these are finalised to ensure the new requirements are workable.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000794\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAnother important change in the Amendment Paper is the proposal to make school hostels subject to the same legal requirements for physical restraints that currently apply to schools. Regulation of physical restraint in hostels has been less stringent than it is for schools. Hostels are currently left to set their own policies for the use of physical restraint. The royal commission of inquiry into abuse in care recommended ensuring that there are adequate frameworks to govern restrictive practices for children and young people in care to minimise their use, limit them to last-resort situations, and ensure appropriate safeguards and checks. The proposed changes align hostels with the tighter safeguards in schools by only allowing the use of physical restraint to prevent imminent harm by trained staff with clear reporting and protections for boarders. In practice, I know that most hostels are already applying the same physical-restraint guidelines that apply to schools. This change brings the law up to date with existing practice. The ministry will consult the hostels before the rules are updated to ensure they are appropriate for the hostel context.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000795\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn closing, the measures in this bill strengthen the foundations of our education system and improve the support that it provides across the sector. I welcome questions members may have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u0022a31e494e43219bd35429c97e2d6ef666\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a31e494e43219bd35429c97e2d6ef666\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (20:28)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you for that brief introduction, Minister. I wanted to first just check with you, Madam Chair. We are intending to go through the bill because Part 1 is the substantial part, and we\u2019re intending on doing it clause by clause. But we are also noting that, just this morning, the Minister, as the Minister has expressed, released a new amendment book that also has quite a few changes as well, which we want to explore as well, noting that the amendment, despite the Minister\u2019s introduction, has had no public consultation or feedback at this stage.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000797\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e380667f5d306f12c9503ed6e5a9eec6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000798\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022494a09102b03a1abaf37dc0aa724e4c5\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: With that in mind, I\u2019m going to start with clause\u00A04, \u201CSection\u00A09 amended (Te Tiriti o Waitangi)\u201D, which mention that the \u201CSchool Property Agency must support the Crown in its responsibility to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi;\u201D. Minister, as you can see, I\u2019ve got a couple of amendments. We, understandably, would want the New Zealand School Property Agency (NZSPA) to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, yet we don\u2019t see that as an agency that\u2019s named in section 6 of the Education and Training Act, which is around \u201CStatement of expectations\u201D. Essentially, section 6 is where the Minister of Education and also the Minister for M\u0101ori Crown Relations: Te Arawhiti may provide joint statements which affect a particular agency\u2019s operations around anything that affects Te Tiriti o Waitangi or touches on Te Tiriti o Waitangi. All of the other Crown entities are named in that list in section 6 but not NZSPA. The New Zealand Qualifications Authority is. The Tertiary Education Commission is. Education New Zealand even is. I wondered what the rationale was behind not including that in section 6 of the bill. That is my first question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000799\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, moving on to clause 5, \u201CSection 10 amended (Interpretation)\u201D\u2014again, there are quite a few bits, Madam Chair, and so I think that in order for me to work our way through and in a really logical and sensible way, we are doing it clause by clause, which means there are some potentially out-of-alignment themes, because, for example, the Teaching Council touches on multiple clauses and the School Properties Agency touches on multiple clauses. But in the interests of going steadily, I will be intending on doing it clause by clause.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000800\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhen we are looking at clause 5, \u201CSection 10 amended (Interpretation)\u201D, my first question is this. It is often also common practice when we have specific dates that are relevant to a section only to be part of a definition for that section, as opposed to being a broader interpretation. I\u2019m referring to the whole package of dates that are only pertaining to section 212 of the Act, around charter schools. I\u2019ve got a couple of amendments, if the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind considering this, which move those same definitions into the charter school section of the bill, as opposed to keeping it in the broader scope, because then, potentially, you are touching on every aspect\u2014all 669 sections and 26 schedules\u2014of the Education and Training Act.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000801\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMoving along, in terms of the next part, it is my amendment around education property. This is Amendment Paper 604, and it has been released. I wanted to check this with the Minister. As the Minister would of course know, section 212R of the Education and Training Act suggests that charter schools can also sit on Crown land, and so I\u2019m curious to know why there is no part of anything to do with the School Property Agency\u2014the NZSPA. We\u2019re going to just abbreviate that for the time being. The NZSPA has no relevance to do with charter schools, and so in this case, which is education property, after new paragraph (a), Amendment Paper 604 introduces new paragraph (aa), which says, \u201Coccupied or used by a charter school in accordance with section 212R\u201D. I ask whether that\u2019s something that the Minister would consider.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000802\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EFinally, just for the time being\u2014because, again, there are a lot of sections to clause 5, as well\u2014the last thing I wanted to touch on the fact that I have an amendment on school property portfolios. The definition says, \u201Cmeans land, buildings, or associated infrastructure\u201D, and I wanted to check whether \u201Cland\u201D explicitly includes \u201Cfixture\u201D, as well. If the ministerial intent includes fixture, then ignore the amendment. Otherwise, I would ask the Minister to consider the amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u00229c2a867f0d0cd7e00b14472bd343483d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000803\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229c2a867f0d0cd7e00b14472bd343483d\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (20:33)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. In a minute, I\u2019ll speak to my first amendment, which was time-stamped at 4:30:38. I\u2019ve just checked my email inbox and I\u2019ve had a number of emails from people who are now aware that the Minister of Education\u2019s Amendment Paper 583 contains quite a few changes that have not had the ability for people to submit on\u2014the changes, for example, to remove all of the democratically elected positions on the Teaching Council. That change came subsequent to the select committee, and there is also the ability for the Minister herself to determine not only what is in the curriculum\u2014what she\u2019s teaching our children\u2014but also how they will be taught. That is determined by the Minister.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000804\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThere were several emails from families where they have children who are home-schooled and who have multiple, different issues, including some families who have neurodiverse children. They are really concerned that they\u2019ve failed to have the democratic right of actually submitting on this legislation, and so I look forward to hearing from the Minister: are we able to read out some of these submissions, or what is the process for New Zealanders impacted by this bill who haven\u2019t had that opportunity to provide any comment or any feedback on these changes before they\u2019re legislated for?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000805\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019d like to speak to my amendment that is in relation to clause 5 in Part 1. This amendment proposes to amend the Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill, clause 5(3). It proposes to repeal the definition of \u201Cinitial teacher education programme\u201D in the Education and Training Act, which currently states that \u201Cinitial teacher education programme means a training programme recognised by the Teaching Council as suitable for people who want to teach\u201D. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000806\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, when the Minister stood up and spoke, she referred to a couple of different reports on the Teaching Council. She referred to the Debbie Francis report, and she also referred to the Public Service Commission (PSC) report, which was pretty explicit in and around conflicts of interest. I actually have the section here that is in the PSC report. It says, at paragraph 31, that \u201CConflicts of interest involving public functions and money rightly attract a high degree of scrutiny. The public should be confident that those exercising public functions, and using public money, do so for the right reasons and are not influenced by favouritism or personal benefit. Effective management of contracts and conflicts of interest is critical to maintain trust in public organisations. It is therefore fundamental that organisations in the public sector get this right.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000807\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Minister is well aware that this amendment that I\u2019m proposing shows that the current chair of the Teaching Council also has their own teacher-training institute, which received $5 million of funding through advocacy\u2014whether it\u2019s through her or through the Tertiary Education Commission Minister. My question is: if this is the paragraph from the report that she\u2019s referred to about the Teaching Council, about conflicts of interest and public functions, how can she reconcile the fact that the current chair of the Teaching Council appears to be conflicted by the very standard she has set in the reports from the Public Service Commission and from Debbie Francis? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000808\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe\u2019d be really interested to hear how someone who is responsible for regulating the teaching profession is also able to profit at the same time through their own private teacher-training institute, which received $5 million of Government funding. I would be very interested to hear the Minister\u2019s views on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u002208f6cf5b41db4d95433c72094edadbde\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000809\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002208f6cf5b41db4d95433c72094edadbde\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (20:37)\u003C/span\u003E: None of that has anything to do with the bill, and I won\u2019t be discussing it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000810\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ECan I just start by saying just in relation to Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s question about land, about whether it covers fixtures. The answer is that land does cover fixtures, and so I\u2019m glad to clear that up.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000811\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ECan I also answer the question on clause 6 about the listed entities. The reason that this won\u2019t be listed is because it is not a general direction on all of its business around the Treaty; it is just in relation to Treaty settlements. If we look at the relevant clause in the bill, it is very clear that the School Property Agency has duties, and those duties arise around the fact that school property can be on land that is owned by iwi that has been part of a settlement process or land that may be part of a settlement process. That\u2019s why it relates only to that and it is not on all of its business.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u0022ed66fa69b8610f27f60a2f5a5aaa888c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000812\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ed66fa69b8610f27f60a2f5a5aaa888c\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (20:38)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Madam Chair. I want to pick up where the Minister of Education left off. I understand that particular interpretation, but if you are looking at a section of the bill\u2014and I apologise, Madam Chair, because we happen to be discussing this, and I\u2019m jumping ahead just slightly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000813\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIf you\u2019re looking at clause 42, new Subpart 5A\u2014and this is around the New Zealand School Property Agency. New section 517F(1)(h) says, \u201Csupport the Crown in its responsibility to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, including by\u2014\u201D. The definition does not mean just that. The words \u201Cincluding by\u201D doesn\u2019t necessarily imply, from a statutory interpretation perspective, new subparagraph (i) and (ii); it does consider more broadly in terms of giving effect to Te Tiriti. I just wanted to make sure that in that case, the ministerial intent will be different from how the bill has been drafted, and so I wanted to check on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000814\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other thing I want to address is what my colleague the Hon Ginny Andersen has suggested. I want to just pick up on one particular part\u2014and I will discuss this more fully in terms of the bill itself\u2014but when it comes to the changes that we\u2019re making to home-schooling, I\u2019ve noticed in the regulatory impact statement there\u2019s been no consultation. Can I check with the Minister? Has the Minister consulted with the National Council of Home Educators NZ? That\u2019s another question for the Minister to consider.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000815\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, staying with clause 5, \u201CSection 10 amended\u201D, I want to check with the Minister in terms of my new amendment, which should be arriving\u2014or has arrived\u2014at some stage; apologies to all in the committee because, again, we only saw the Amendment Paper this morning, so there was limited time for us to draft amendments on the amendment. Minister, in there, you have suggested additional, I guess, broadening of scope in terms of child safety, particularly when it comes to restraining, etc. That expands to school hostels, which I think is an important thing to consider. I wondered, Minister, if you have at any point considered also homestays, because, again, as the Minister would know, when it comes to homestays, particularly in regards to international students\u2014and particularly in regards to international students under the age of 18\u2014in the Education (Pastoral Care of Tertiary and International Learners) Code of Practice 2021, they are also able to stay in homestays, but we don\u2019t see this similar requirement when it comes to homestays. My new amendment that should be here is also just inserting what the Minister has done in regards to licensed hostels, to also include homestays. If that\u2019s something that the Minister could consider, that will be great. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000816\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, that is where we are at in terms of clause 5(1). I want to now move on to clause\u00A05\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000817\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0266254342318de88ab892b1c3b200b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Just before you do, Mr Xu-Nan, could you clarify the number of that amendment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000818\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022050ab0faa84136498d98a36896c25cd9\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: The new amendment doesn\u2019t have a number yet because I literally gave it to the committee about 25 minutes ago.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000819\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212f2080d9d317e3c1f94096453abe5fa\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Ah, that\u2019s OK. Thank you. It\u2019s just we have lots of them, so I need to keep track. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000820\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220a66bcfec5189382ccbf7e53f6a39bc8\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s one of the three currently unnumbered ones that I\u2019m aware of.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9a73beb13f5927fb714b52a76a425ad\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Great, thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000822\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229f67e2c643d2cb94b4d3b65580dd85a4\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Just in terms of clause 5(1A)\u2014and I\u2019m going to ask this as a broad question for the time being, because we can then go down to the specifics of the individual sections and wording\u2014but just the broad aspects of the changes and the moving of the Director of Regulation from currently sitting under the Ministry of Education to the Education Review Office (ERO), as well as absorbing and incorporating additional functions to do with early childhood education, private schools, as well as hostels, that bill just passed at the end of last year. I know there\u2019s an Acting Director of Regulation, but that role hasn\u2019t really had time to truly embed, or knowing of any sort of evaluation of that particular position. What was the rationale of actually moving all of that, and including incorporating all of that\u2014not just the early childhood section but also private schools and hospitals in that?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000823\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EI think it\u2019s prudent at this stage, while things are settling, if the Minister wanted to just move the Director of Regulation into ERO as an initial period without additional powers and a scope of powers. I would understand that, but having all of those, including additional powers, seems premature at this stage. I just want to check with the Minister regarding the rationale for that, and I\u2019m going to leave it at that. Just to signal to you, Madam Chair, that\u2019s the end of clauses 4 and 5 for me. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022b740945912cf1e7183095fd7dcc53433\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000824\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022b740945912cf1e7183095fd7dcc53433\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (20:43)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you. Look, regarding the home-schooling, we are going to be doing full consultation with the sector on the regulations when they are set. Can I also just make a point that I should have said in my opening address, and that is that Minister Seymour will be here at 9.30 p.m. for the bits of the bill that relate to his part. I\u2019m happy to try and answer them where I can, but he will be here and can give you fulsome answers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000825\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003ERegarding homestays, they are covered by a code of practice on international student wellbeing. We can\u2019t regulate behaviour in private homes, but it has its own separate code of practice and isn\u2019t part of this bill, and we won\u2019t be including it by your amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u0022e69f83ff78ca00213d7cabe9a5f7489a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000826\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e69f83ff78ca00213d7cabe9a5f7489a\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (20:44)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Madam Chair. I\u2019d like to speak to my tabled amendment 4.30.39, which relates to clause 6. This tabled amendment amends the Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill. It repeals section 44 of the Education and Training Act 2020. This particular area outlines under which conditions the Secretary for Education may grant a certificate to exempt a student from attendance. To repeal section 44 without acting to address the root causes as to why such an exemption may be needed is to misunderstand the issue of non-attendance entirely. This was one of the parts of the bill that did get to have submissions on it. Some of the submissions received\u2014particularly from principals, actually\u2014made the point that that power should sit with school principals because there is a clearer understanding of some of the underpinning issues of not attending school. That\u2019s, really, the underpinning idea of this amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000827\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe problem we have is that, while the Minister will well be aware that attendance has slightly improved in some of higher socio-economic areas, in parts of South Auckland, for example, we have one in four Pasifika students who is not attending school. We\u2019ve actually seen a drop-off at the other end: lower socio-economic areas are having lower attendance in the past year. The view is\u2014and I\u2019d be interested to hear the Minister\u2019s words\u2014that surely those school communities would be best placed to understand some of those underpinning reasons why students may not be attending school. From speaking with some of those principals, they would say that every individual case can be quite different, that there might be mental health issues for a parent in one family; there may be family violence issues; there may be issues around affording petrol or the cost of living. Each individual family has its own reasons as to why their child may not be attending school regularly. A more bespoke understanding of those issues actually is the best way of increasing attendance and making it work properly, so I would like her views on my tabled amendment 4.30.39.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000828\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019d just also like to pick up that I appreciate the Minister has stated that the conflicts of interest in and around the Teaching Council were, she said, nothing to do with this bill, but, in fact, the Minister did stand up at the beginning of this debate and highlight and refer to the two different reports on the Teaching Council that were specifically in and around conflicts of interest. My understanding was that part of the reason for the reforms to the Teaching Council that we\u2019re debating tonight was to prevent those conflicts of interests occurring again in the future. Please, correct me if I\u2019m wrong, but I thought that was part of the reason for this legislation. If we have a current chair of the Teaching Council who clearly has a conflict of interest, is it that the Minister simply doesn\u2019t want to acknowledge that conflict of interest, or maybe she thinks that profiting and regulating the teaching profession simultaneously is acceptable?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000829\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThere are many people in New Zealand who do not think that is acceptable, so I think the Minister might want to reconsider her view that it has nothing to do with this bill, because I think it\u2019s actually right at the heart of what this bill does. If we\u2019re not prepared to talk about the elephant in the room, which is the current conflict of interest that sits with the existing chair of the Teaching Council, it seems to be double standards. If there have been two reports that have identified a conflict and someone has been removed in the past from the Teaching Council, why do those same standards not apply with the case of the current chair of the Teaching Council? Given this very bill, at the last minute, is removing all of the democratically elected positions on that Teaching Council, you could even argue that he has more power than he did before. I\u2019d be interested to hear the Minister\u2019s views on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022ccf4668ec12ecedafd7da7fcc6e5ad4d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000830\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ccf4668ec12ecedafd7da7fcc6e5ad4d\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (20:49)\u003C/span\u003E: In relation to exemptions by principals, exemptions will still be granted by principals, but the Secretary for Education will set the rules and criteria and the evidence required for the principals to grant an exemption from attendance. It also removes the five-day rule as well, to allow a little bit more flexibility, but, essentially, the changes in this bill are focused on bringing clarity and consistency, ensuring that principals and schools are clear about what is expected of them. I know that principals are concerned that the changes over attendance exemptions will not adequately reflect student circumstances and needs, but I want to assure those principals that when the ministry develops the rules, they will do this in consultation with the sector but they will set out when exemptions can be used, the grounds for the exemption, the type of evidence a principal must receive, and the duration of the exemption.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000831\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003ERegarding the member\u2019s other claims, I\u2019m not going to be commenting on baseless allegations that are not part of this bill. I will not be speaking to them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u002282aacbb363ff87a51d967e7d289cb972\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000832\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002282aacbb363ff87a51d967e7d289cb972\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (20:50)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. Now, as I suggested before, I do apologise. There is one thing that I want to address, I think in clause\u2014oh, no; I\u2019m good. I have said to the previous Chair that I am through with my questions for clause 4 and clause 5. However, I would like to draw the Minister of Education\u2019s attention\u2014I appreciate the Minister\u2019s response in terms of the fact that that will get\u2014actually, I\u2019m going to stop that conversation right there because it potentially touches on a particular part of Standing Orders, but I appreciate the Minister\u2019s previous response.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000833\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI would like to draw the Minister\u2019s attention to my amendment which is 19 May, 5.10.07, and also 5.10.08. This is with regards to my new clause 4AAA, section 7 and section 8 amended, on \u201CTertiary education strategy\u201D and \u201CInternational education strategy\u201D. Now, I want to check with the Minister, in terms of the tertiary education strategy, whether there\u2019s any particular reason, as we see in other areas, why universities, vocational education and training institutions, and relevant PTEs\u2014private training establishments\u2014are not considered as a part of the group that needs to be explicitly mentioned as bodies that the Minister responsible must consult with before making any significant amendment to the strategy. My amendment simply specifies additional groups or bodies that should be consulted as a part of the tertiary education strategy in a broader education system reform bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000834\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOn top of that, I also think that while it\u2019s important we look at the economic, social, and environmental goals, we should also consider the cultural goals as part of the tertiary education strategy as well. So I want to check with the Minister if she would be open to that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000835\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, on to my amendment 5.10.08 on section 8 amended, \u201CInternational education strategy\u201D. Again, we\u2019re seeing in other areas where, for example, the Tertiary Education Commission, for the tertiary education strategy, is explicitly mentioned as a group that should be consulted as a part of the tertiary education strategy, yet we don\u2019t see the same Crown entity that is in charge of international\u2014indeed, the Crown agency that is actually responsible for implementing the international education strategy, i.e. Education New Zealand, being explicitly mentioned as a body that should be consulted with. So my amendment in 5.10.08 simply just adds Education New Zealand as also an explicit group that should be consulted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000836\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, on to clause 6 of the bill. The previous speaker, the Hon Ginny Andersen, has already mentioned in terms of the broader implications of repealing section 44. I do have an Amendment Paper on that that suggests that we don\u2019t repeal it yet\u2014again, simply because we don\u2019t know the scope of impact that potentially would have.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000837\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI guess, on that, particularly when it comes to the impact it will have for rural communities and rural parents, I want to check with the Minister if the repealing of section 44 has\u2014has the Minister consulted with rural communities such as Federated Farmers, etc., and other organisations that potentially would like to weigh in on that section?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000838\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, moving on to clause 8, I want to draw the Minister\u2019s attention to my Amendment Paper 613. We see that the secretary is now able to make rules on exemption from attendance as opposed to principals having the discretion to make some of those exemptions, but what I\u2019m not seeing in terms of clause 8 of this bill is around specific criteria that is required for the secretary to make those kinds of rules around exemptions. So my Amendment Paper 613 simply lists some potentially broader rules that should be considered\u2014I think some of them have already been touched on by the previous speaker, the Hon Ginny Andersen. We\u2019re looking at specific needs of the school; specific needs of a community; the equity index of a school; the impact on certain communities such as disabled communities, M\u0101ori communities, and Pasifika communities\u2014whether that is something the Minister would be open to. So I\u2019m going to leave that there, but just signalling to you, Chair, that, with that, I\u2019m ready to move on to between clause 8 and 9 and whatever happens in between.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u002279808719a2d2fd3aa3014ef2d0f74735\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000839\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002279808719a2d2fd3aa3014ef2d0f74735\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (20:55)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I just have another point in relation to another amendment, 4.30.40, to clause 8. In clause 8, inserting new section 46(1), my amendment proposes to delete the part which reads \u201Cwhich must be consistent with this Act\u201D. Now, this tabled amendment amends the Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill. Clause 8 outlines that the Secretary for Education\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000840\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227cea04e852f16c1a00f6903e7e982e18\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, what number was that again?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000841\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a1e9e601ff9f28bd206d7b87d669a5f\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN\u003C/span\u003E: 4.30.40. I think it\u2019s the time\u2014each of them has been labelled with the time that they were lodged. So, 4 hours 30, and 40 seconds\u2014that\u2019s the way it\u2019s written on my paper. Clause 8 outlines that the Secretary for Education may in fact make rules that must be met for a principal to exempt a student. Removing the part that requires that these rules must be consistent with this Act would allow the Secretary for Education to create rules that take into account specific circumstances. The amendment bill currently under consideration does not take into account any of the root causes of non-attendance, so this making of rules consistent with the Act could therefore be counter-productive.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000842\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019m really interested to understand the Minister of Education\u2019s perspective, because this provision here in clause 8 is emblematic of a bill that\u2019s actually removing local control of anything to do with children\u2019s education. I would\u2019ve thought the Minister, who wants to see an improvement to children\u2019s performance, to children\u2019s educational achievement\u2014that enabling a full understanding of some of the factors in their own areas that are impacting on their ability to learn, and one of those, no doubt, is the school community, the school principal, and teachers having a clear understanding and some say over what those factors are around attendance.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000843\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis legislation is just one part where what we\u2019re seeing is a top-down approach where the ability for decision making, the ability to understand children and respond, is being removed and taken up to a higher level, to a ministerial or Secretary for Education level. My concern is that clause 8 is just one more example of our education system being compartmentalised in a way that prevents young people from actually getting the good education so that they\u2019ll be able to succeed well in life. If their own teachers, if their own local communities aren\u2019t able to respond to some of the circumstances that young people are going through, then that potentially removes the ability for teachers, for parents, for those local communities to have a positive impact.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000844\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESo I\u2019m really interested to hear why the Minister thinks a top-down approach is better in education and why removing decision making, local autonomy, and local communities being able to have a say over what\u2019s happening in their schools\u2014why that is a better pathway for New Zealand to go down.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000845\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe know that there are examples overseas where some of these reforms have been implemented and over time we have seen a widening of existing inequalities, a widening and a further entrenching of inequalities, and my fear\u2014and my amendment is for that reason\u2014is that by removing the ability of teachers and principals to have an input around non-attendance and have a local response, having it taken out of their hands and having it overseen by Wellington, that actually removes the ability for those schools to take ownership and respond accordingly to make sure that kids are getting the best education they can. I\u2019d be interested to hear the Minister\u2019s rationale for removing that local autonomy.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00227b866eddfb1f5d9c4ae0e54b9fd3041c\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000846\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00227b866eddfb1f5d9c4ae0e54b9fd3041c\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:00)\u003C/span\u003E: My fear and my concern is that kids aren\u2019t turning up to school, and if they don\u2019t turn up to school, their performance will suffer. It is this Government\u2019s intention to make sure that young people are turning up to school so that they can learn and be at Curriculum and live the life that they deserve.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000847\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, it\u2019s important to this Government that we tighten the criteria around exemptions from attendance. As I\u2019ve already explained, the Secretary for Education will set the guidance around those exemptions and the evidence that\u2019s required. For example, it may be the fact that, if a child is sick for an elongated period of time, some form of evidence may be required. That will be set by the Secretary for Education. I wouldn\u2019t presuppose the types of things that she will require or the criteria that she will put in place, but this is designed to set clear expectations that the number one priority is that we get our kids to school. That may not have been the top priority for the previous Government, but it\u2019s certainly ours.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000848\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn terms of the tabled amendment, we won\u2019t be supporting it. All statutory powers have to be consistent with the purpose of the Act, so there is no need to add this amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u002292a1c564a1a29b61eaefacfa6653309a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002292a1c564a1a29b61eaefacfa6653309a\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (21:01)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. I did notice that I\u2019m still waiting for the responses to some of my questions and also my amendments from the Minister. I do want to move on to my next amendment. I\u2019m actually really glad to hear what the Minister has just said in terms of looking at students\u2019 ability to participate, whether it is in class or out of the classroom, and also in terms of work experience and visiting outside of the premises, as far as we\u2019re looking at students being at school, so I\u2019m glad to hear what the Minister said.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000850\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI want to draw the Minister\u2019s attention to two of my tabled amendments\u201419 May for both; 5.10.17 and 5.10.18. They are inserting clause 8A, \u201CSection 53 amended\u201D, and inserting clause 8A, \u201CSection 82 amended\u201D. The first one in terms of clause 8A, \u201CSection 53 amended\u201D, is around courses, work experience, and visiting outside the school. I want to check with the Minister\u2014and potentially the Minister has a good response for this\u2014why does section 53(5)(a) specify that a student who is currently on work experience, particularly, or an apprenticeship is demonstratively ineligible for, or is not entitled to, payment? I want to check with the Minister why that particular phrasing of section 53(5)(a) is. My recommendation, my amendment, which would replace the word \u201Centitle\u201D with \u201Crequire\u201D\u2014which also we would see in that particular section around section 53(5)\u2014would allow the ability for our students to, potentially, be paid as part of their work experience. I want to know the overall rationale for why, if a student is getting work experience, they cannot be paid.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000851\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMy next amendment is \u201CSection 82 amended\u201D. This is the one on \u201CSecretary\u2019s powers when excluded students aged under 16 years\u201D. Now, the Minister just mentioned before in terms of the ideas to get students to school, which I agree with. I completely agree, but when we\u2019re looking at this section, basically, only the secretary is able to allow for the exclusion of a student under the age of 16, under section 82, but there is nothing in section\u00A082 that specifies that the secretary must first be satisfied that the board of a State school or a sponsor has excluded a student aged under 16 years after all possible intervention under section 81 has been exhausted. There seems to be no requirement for the secretary when approving the exclusion of a student under the age of 16 to say, \u201COh, we\u2019ve seen that the school has tried everything else, all other forms of interventions, all facilitations, etc., before making a decision.\u201D It could just simply be that it\u2019s implied within section 82. If that is the case, I hope the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind specifying that so we can have it on record.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000852\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, let us move on to clause 9 of the bill when it comes to \u201CCurriculum statements and national performance measures\u201D. I want to start by saying that one of the things that we did have in the bill\u2014and this is something, again, we\u2019ve heard from the submitters as well during the select committee stage\u2014is the ability for schools and communities to have curriculum statements from local curriculum that reflect local tikanga M\u0101ori, m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori, and te ao M\u0101ori. Now, if the Minister says, \u201CWell, that is still implied\u201D, that\u2019s not so much what we\u2019re seeing here, because, again, like the previous speaker, the Hon Ginny Andersen, has stated, the way that things have been changed is that everything is at a national level, and there is no room, as far as I can see, within \u201CSection 90 amended\u201D, that allows the space for local curriculum to develop. That was something that came through quite clearly as part of the select committee stage as well.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000853\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think, with that, I\u2019m done with my questions up until clause 9, and I\u2019m happy to move on to clause 10.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u002272b2a50f37e157331171e6a360f97ad4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000854\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272b2a50f37e157331171e6a360f97ad4\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:06)\u003C/span\u003E: In relation to the question about work experience and the member\u2019s tabled amendment, this is a longstanding section of the Act. It\u2019s not something we\u2019ve looked at. It gets into employment law, so we\u2019re not accepting the amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000855\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn relation to the Curriculum, the intention of this part is to take the two existing curriculum statements that set out the what and the how and to combine them into one. That is the change. Now, I\u2019m not entirely sure what the member\u2019s question is getting at, but I don\u2019t think that it\u2019s relevant to this bill. All this is doing is taking two existing curriculum statements and putting them into one.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe member\u2019s question around what goes in the Curriculum is not a part of this bill, but I would make the point that there has always been in the Education Act\u2014for a very long time; since 1989, I think\u2014the ability of the Minister to issue curriculum statements. That\u2019s not changing. It\u2019s just that we\u2019re combining those two into one\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u00221abcc7a312902f5ac296b27ca529fe38\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000857\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221abcc7a312902f5ac296b27ca529fe38\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (21:07)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I\u2019m on to clause 9. I actually have four separate amendments in relation to clause 9 of the bill, and they are 4.30.41, 4.30.42, 4.30.43, and 4.30.44. As Lawrence Xu-Nan has already stated, this part of the bill allows the Minister herself to determine what students are to be taught and how they are to be assessed. That goes quite far beyond the current Act and, essentially, allows the Minister to give directions. It\u2019s the view of many people, not just inside this Chamber, that that\u2019s outrageous overreach and gives the Minister far too much power over what our children learn and how they learn it, so there are some proposals to amend this overreach in terms of deleting clause 9 or deleting clause 9(1), and even my third paper, 4.30.43, gives some helpful hints as to where the right direction might be.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000858\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOne for the Minister to consider is that the Minister could consider winding that back slightly in providing foundational curriculum policy statements, which are statements of policy concerning teaching, learning, and assessment that are made for the purposes of underpinning and giving direction to the way in which the Curriculum and assessment responsibilities are to be managed in schools. That\u2019s explicitly provided for in 4.30.43. Another is that national curriculum statements are locally developed curricula. They are statements in areas of knowledge and understanding to be covered by students during the years of schooling. My tabled amendment provides the skills to be developed by students during the years of schooling and desirable levels of knowledge and understanding and skill to be received by students during the years of schooling; and national performance measures, which are targets against which the performance of boards can then be measured if required. This tabled amendment takes away that the Minister is determining exactly what students are to be taught and how they are to be assessed, and it restores a level of local autonomy not just for schools but for the profession as well to enable that level of professional expertise to be utilised.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000859\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019d be really interested to know whether the Minister thinks she herself is an expert; if this bill gives her a power to determine what our children are being taught, and exactly how that teaching is being delivered. Is it her view that she knows better than someone who is a trained professional? I\u2019d be interested to know what experience or background she\u2019s gained in order that she\u2019s somehow got this knowledge-rich ability to determine, greater than anyone who\u2019s professionally trained, exactly what our children should be taught and how they are going to be taught.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000860\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI wonder whether it was when she was putting together some episodes of Piha Rescue that she picked up some of the skills that enabled her to then determine what our children should be taught and how they were going to be taught\u2014because we\u2019re all at a loss to understand how the Minister can appoint herself to be the sole determiner of what is in the Curriculum of our kids and how it\u2019s going to be delivered, when it appears the only advice she\u2019s got is from a very small select group of Auckland principals that have her ear. That leaves the rest of New Zealand wondering how we\u2019ve ended up with this bill.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000861\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019m interested to hear, out of my four amendments\u20144.30.41, 4.30.42, 4.30.43, and 4.30.44\u2014if the Minister would like to wind back some of her autonomy on determining what exactly our children learn and how they should learn it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022d1eaad3ed4a611212a41bb0b743802de\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000862\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d1eaad3ed4a611212a41bb0b743802de\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:11)\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, the member is 100 percent, entirely wrong. It has always been, since 1989, the ability of the Minister to set and revoke and amend curriculum statements. Nothing is changing, and it was exactly the same, in fact, when the previous Minister of Education, Minister Chris Hipkins, gazetted the new history curriculum in exactly the same manner. I\u2019d point out that his qualifications and education are probably much the same as mine.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000863\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EI just would maybe say to the member: it\u2019s just not nice or polite to make nasty comments around my background, because I certainly wouldn\u2019t do that about them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u002288266e14324d2ed0f9a12539e0d0f82a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000864\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002288266e14324d2ed0f9a12539e0d0f82a\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (21:12)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. I want to move on to clause 10, Minister. This is around the \u201CReview of national curriculum statements by Secretary\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000865\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, a couple of things I want to check. \u201CIn conducting a review, the Secretary must have regard to\u201D\u2014this is clause new section 90A, subsection (3), inserted by clause 10. I want to check a few things with subsections (a), (b), and (c). The first point is that there is nothing in here\u2014and I\u2019m now looking at my Amendment Paper 617, which inserts a new subsection (3)(d). I think, as part of the review process, what\u2019s really missing\u2014like the previous speaker Hon Ginny Andersen has said\u2014is when the secretary reviews the national Curriculum, nothing in here states that they actually need to consult with the sector or take the experience of the sector on board.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000866\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMy Amendment Paper 617 simply says that the secretary must have regard to\u2014which also, let\u2019s make it very clear, does not say \u201Cgive effect to\u201D; \u201Cmust have regard to\u201D, so then you consider but it doesn\u2019t need to be taken on board, which is fine\u2014but, in that case, my Amendment Paper just says \u201Crelevant school sector experience, for example, from educators, principals, and teachers.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000867\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa2b1515433ca2b2196c44f7efe09aa0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: What was the number of your Amendment Paper?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000868\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219ca93f4b4fa15927aa6d111ad485595\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Amendment Paper 617. I also want to note that all three are defined terms under section 10 of the Education and Training Act, and I had to go through all of the definitions to make sure that I made the relevant definitions that are actually in order. So, yes, I want to check whether the Minister would consider my amendment for that, just so that there is reassurance from the sector that they\u2019re also going to be consulted by the secretary, or that the secretary will have regard for their experience.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000869\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAlso, at the same time, I just want to note as well that I have asked the Minister a number of questions around my amendments for other parts of a particular section and I haven\u2019t really received a lot of responses for some of the other sections. I do want to point out something the Minister said, which is that it\u2019s not in the bill, but as we have seen in terms of the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 583, new sections actually could just be added or changed as required\u2014since this is, after all, a system reform, which means that everything in the Education and Training Act could be considered as part of the scope of that potential system reform. I do want to hear from the Minister regarding my other amendments, as well, which are in scope.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000870\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other two areas I want to touch on in terms of new section 90A(3) is subsection (3)(b): \u201Crelevant evidence, for example, from new developments in educational research\u201D. Now, I am looking at my Amendment Paper 615; there\u2019s nothing in there that says those new developments need to be peer reviewed. That is important, because as an academic, anything that is not peer reviewed by credible sources is not credible, so by just saying \u201Cnew developments in education research\u201D, there is no confidence in the quality and the robustness of that particular research that could be used by the secretary for Curriculum changes or any sort of Curriculum review. That is concerning from an academic perspective, so my Amendment Paper simply just suggests to the Minister that we should, for both specificity and also clarity, include the word \u201Cpeer reviewed\u201D as a part of that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000871\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EFinally, in a similar vein, when we\u2019re looking at new subsection (3)(c), \u201Cinternational practice relating to the setting of curricula\u201D, I think, in this case, it\u2019s best that particular section is removed from this bill. Now, the reason I say that is there is nothing limiting the secretary from consulting beyond what is (a), (b), and (c)\u2014potentially; the Minister can tell me that. But, by drawing specifically on and mentioning in the legislation \u201Cinternational practice relating to the setting of curricula\u201D, potentially, we lose out on what makes Aotearoa unique and our unique history and culture, because international practice may not be appropriate in the context of Aotearoa. I think it\u2019s actually important for us to not have that there.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000872\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOf course, the secretary can always refer to international best practice, to international evidence. Nothing is stopping the secretary from doing that, but explicitly mentioning it seems out of step with what we should really be doing here, which is looking at what works for our students and our kids. This is something we have mentioned before, that students\u2014and you have seen, again, I\u2019m drawing on developments in educational research, as well\u2014learn better when they can relate to the material better. International practice may simply not be relevant or relatable for our students, which then would affect and impair their learning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000873\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI want to check those three amendments with the Minister. Again, just to specify, those are Amendment Papers 615, 616, and 617.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u002242b95fd6befc5b219abaec6c74b1865b\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000874\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002242b95fd6befc5b219abaec6c74b1865b\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:18)\u003C/span\u003E: We won\u2019t be supporting any of those amendments. Can I just start by saying, in terms of the standard of evidence required, that there are operational guidelines in place for the ministry, which ensures that the standard of evidence and research they are using meets the member\u2019s expectations. Can I also say that this is already standard practice; it\u2019s just that we\u2019re putting it into legislation to make sure that, in the future, it continues. It\u2019s something that the ministry has long done, and it has those standards of evidence in place.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000875\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EI want to be clear about this, because the member talked about engagement of young people in the classroom. That is up to the professional judgment of the teacher in the classroom, and that is what they do best: engaging those young people in front of them. The Curriculum is clear about what is taught, but the way that they bring that to life and engage the students in different ways, by bringing all types of context to what they are teaching, is up to the professionalism of the teacher in the class, and so that\u2019s why we won\u2019t be supporting his amendments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00229f071e5323b640f383726a46f39e8187\u0022 data-id=\u0022d1d2933c16235f84209f083e5d95f743\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000876\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00229f071e5323b640f383726a46f39e8187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d1d2933c16235f84209f083e5d95f743\u0022\u003EHon PHIL TWYFORD (Labour\u2014Te Atat\u016B) (21:20)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chairman. Further to Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s comments and questions around clause 10, it probably doesn\u2019t need to be said, but, I think, it\u2019s obvious, I hope, that the Labour Party supports regular curriculum reviews. The objective of constant improvement is one that we all share. But our view, which is shared, really, with the overwhelming majority of submitters, is that the provisions in clause 10 increase ministerial influence at the expense of institutionalised input from educators and independent experts.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000877\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI would note that 570 submitters commented on this provision, and not a single one supported it at the select committee. Not a single one said this was a good idea. The departmental report says, \u201Cthe majority of submitters were concerned the bill extends the Minister\u2019s ability to make and amend the curriculum, shifting authority away from educators, and increasing the risk of political influence.\u201D That pretty much nails it. That was the overwhelming sentiment at select committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000878\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMy questions for the Minister of Education are as follows. What safeguards exist to ensure that the curriculum reviews remain evidence-led, rather than politically directed? \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000879\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESecond, who determines the priorities? I know the subclause says that the secretary must take into account \u201Cthis and that\u201D, but, other than that, who determines what the priorities are for a particular review? Those things that the secretary must take into account are wide open to interpretation. Any number of things could come into that. Who\u2019s the person or who\u2019s the part of the organisation or the ministry who determines what the specific priorities are for a given review?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000880\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EDoes the Minister accept that one of the strengths of the New Zealand Curriculum to this point has been that it\u2019s largely insulated from short-term political cycles and the ideology of whoever happens to be sitting in the seat she occupies right now?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000881\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis might seem a bit basic, but why is it necessary to replace the kind of stewardship and responsibility of educators and experts with explicit power in the hands of the Minister and her secretary?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000882\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EDoes the Minister accept what the New Zealand Principals\u2019 Federation told us at committee, that this clause represents \u201Ca fundamental shift from professional sector-led curriculum development to direct ministerial control.\u201D? Does it? Is there any statutory body at all that has any role in checking, giving feedback, or providing any kind of oversight or input into curriculum reviews in the system that she\u2019s putting in place?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000883\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn new section 90C, are there any consultation obligations that will apply before curriculum review directions are issued?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u002272908d1e025e0a9f01ad9744dedd4cfc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000884\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002272908d1e025e0a9f01ad9744dedd4cfc\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:24)\u003C/span\u003E: I am repeating myself, I think, now for the third time. There is nothing in this bill that shifts any new, extra powers to the Minister; they already existed. There is no change at all. They keep saying that, but it is very clear in the bill that there are no additional ministerial powers. The only thing we are doing, actually, is putting somewhat of a limit on that, which is in practice but not in legislation, about ensuring that these are evidence-led, which was the question by the previous member about ensuring that it\u2019s evidence-led, that is now baked into legislation. Since 1989, there has been the ability of the Minister to set curriculum statements, to revoke them, and to make changes to them. That has not changed. There are no additional powers. I don\u2019t know how many times I have to say it. Hopefully, that is the last.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000885\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ESo, no, I don\u2019t agree with those submitters, because there is nothing in this bill that is making those changes. There is wide consultation, as the member may know, going on at the moment, in fact, with the senior secondary curriculum out for a whole consultation. I\u2019d also make the point that it has also been written by the sector. It feels like the members believe that somehow the Minister holds the pen on the curriculum; it is written by experts, by the sector, and, in fact, there are hundreds of writers out there at the moment, writing the senior secondary curriculum, and it is being consulted on at the moment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBut I\u2019ll make the point one final time: there is no additional shift or increase or changes, at all, to the Minister\u2019s power to set curriculum statements. I would also make the point if the previous couple of speakers were so intent on removing the Minister\u2019s power to be able to do that, they had the opportunity to do that in 2020 when they created this Act and made all these changes, but they left the power in there since 1989 of the Minister to set curriculum statements, which is exactly what they did when they introduced the history curriculum. That power has not changed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022420f72e8bcc84c869a366ff712af8e49\u0022 data-id=\u002254d213e2d2aa99106cbfaac60deeeec4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000887\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022420f72e8bcc84c869a366ff712af8e49\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002254d213e2d2aa99106cbfaac60deeeec4\u0022\u003EHANA-RAWHITI MAIPI-CLARKE (Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori\u2014Hauraki-Waikato) (21:26)\u003C/span\u003E: \u003Cspan lang=\u0022mi\u0022\u003ET\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koe e te P\u012Bka, otir\u0101 t\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 t\u0101tou e te Whare. E tautokotia ana e au ng\u0101 k\u014Drero \u0101piti o \u0101ku hoa i t\u0113nei taha a te P\u0101ti Reipa me te P\u0101ti K\u0101k\u0101riki. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThank you, Mr Speaker; indeed, greetings to us all in the House. I support the additional statements of my colleagues on this side of the Labour Party and the Green Party.\u003C/span\u003E]  \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan lang=\u0022mi\u0022\u003EKo \u0113tehi o aku n\u0101 p\u0101tai i te p\u014D nei\u003C/span\u003E [\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003Esome of my questions this evening\u003C/span\u003E]\u2014some of my questions and some of my concerns within the Education and Training (Systems Reform) Amendment Bill in the committee stage, coming to Part 1, clause 9, the change from, simply \u201Ccurriculum statements\u201D to \u201Cnational curriculum statements\u201D does signal a stronger centralised national approach. Our main concerns are: will hap\u016B, iwi, kura \u0101 iwis\u2014specifically coming from a kura \u0101 iwi school, that there\u2019s a specific dialect, there\u2019s specific curriculums that are taught within our kura that we have concerns about that shape localised communities.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000890\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 9, replacement section 90(1)(a)(i) gives the Minister power to decide what students are to be taught, and 90(1)(a)(ii) allows direction over \u201Chow the curriculum is to be taught and learnt\u201D. Some of our concerns around that area are that, obviously, that could affect some kaupapa M\u0101ori, and that\u2019s what I\u2019m seeking from the Minister of Education, is to clarify that. That could affect kaupapa M\u0101ori teaching methods, w\u0101nanga style, learning in collective environments, learning practices.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000891\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOne of those areas specifically in the curriculum is Te Ao Haka. Te Ao Haka is a specific area within education, within the New Zealand Qualifications Authority, where the way that that\u2019s assessed, where they way that that has been performed, the way that is engaged for students is very specific. So making sure that kura M\u0101ori, M\u0101ori education, the teachers of that specific curriculum still have that self-autonomy to execute that mahi within their students and kura.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000892\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAnother concern is the five-year cycle. The five-year review cycle gives the secretary ongoing power to remove learning areas and subjects. The concerns that I have\u2014or the questions within that are: who sits at the decision-making tables of those five-year reviews? Will M\u0101ori knowledge continue to be reviewed through a Crown lens? Will there be iwi and M\u0101ori education experts on that panel that can consistently give advice and expertise k\u014Drero within that panel, or within that five-year review cycle, what does that look like for M\u0101ori education?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAlso, some of our concerns are around making sure that hap\u016B, iwi, local kura still have the power to make decisions for their tamaiti, that\u2019s the whole standard approach and structure that we\u2019ve had as a kura \u0101 iwi, also as Aho Matua, as kura kaupapa M\u0101ori, and there are huge concerns around having this centralised curriculum national approach. T\u0113n\u0101 r\u0101 koe.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00224c4442b8c32fc3f7d07d2da1b98a30ab\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000894\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224c4442b8c32fc3f7d07d2da1b98a30ab\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:30)\u003C/span\u003E: I think an answer that will incorporate all of the member Hana-Rawhiti Maipi-Clarke\u2019s questions is that the bill clearly allows for different rules for different groups of schools, including kura, Ng\u0101 Kura \u0101 Iwi, and Te R\u016Bnanga Nui o Nga Kura Kaupapa M\u0101ori. That answers all of her questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u002261434eeed41cf54c43a79d538f37418a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000895\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002261434eeed41cf54c43a79d538f37418a\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (21:30)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. One comment, I think, in response to what the Minister of Education said, before I move on to what\u2019s before clause\u00A011A\u2014new clauses 11AAA and clause 11AAB, inserted by Amendment Paper 583.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000896\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EJust in terms of one final comment with regards to clause 10: I think, when we are looking at the development of a national curriculum statement, I acknowledge what the Minister is saying in terms of, look, this is something that\u2019s always been there; we\u2019re just now, basically, codifying it, as in putting it in legislation\u2014something that is a standard practice. But, at the same time, what the Minister could have done, which is why we\u2019ve proposed such amendments, is that we actually have the ability to put in more checks and balances and more ability for transparency and accountability around the curriculum. I think that\u2019s kind of where I\u2019m getting at in terms of my amendments. I\u2019m not saying \u201Ceither or,\u201D but I\u2019m saying that the system could always be improved.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000897\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWith that, I want to move on to the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 583, and this is clause 11AAA and clause 11AAB. This is on page 14, \u201CSection 99 amended\u201D and \u201CSection 100 amended\u201D. This is the first part of some of the changes the Minister has made with regards to things like physical restraint at registered school and also in terms of licensed hostels. At registered schools, we have those sort of checks and balances in terms of those requirements, and the thing that was detailed\u2014I cannot remember the specific section number in the Education and Training Act, but, from memory, preceding section 99, there is a whole list of sections that specify the kind of qualifications and training that the person must go through in order to potentially bypass some of those limits.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000898\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ECan I just check that all of those little things are all captured in clause 11AAA and clause 11AAB? I do see that 11AAA(3) clarifies around the \u201Cauthorised staff member\u201D, who is trained and authorised to use physical restraint in accordance\u2014but also, you know, only when things are necessary. How is that going to work in a hostel environment as opposed to a school environment? Because, again, that\u2019s quite different. So I just want to check if there\u2019s any additional thinking that\u2019s gone into that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000899\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe next thing I want to check with the Minister is my amendment dated 5.11.20\u00A0p.m. 19 May 2026\u2014for the benefit of the Minister at this stage, this is also in the pack that says, \u201C66 tabled amendments\u201D\u2014section 103 amended. I have genuine questions about this section, which are about the title of this section, when it says \u201Cguidance and counselling\u201D. \u201CCharter schools must receive guidance and counselling and their parents must be told about certain things\u201D. There is nothing in this bill, nor this section, that actually says what \u201Ccertain things\u201D are, or that even give a definition of \u201Ccertain things\u201D. So I want to check with the Minister if the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind elucidating the committee on what certain things are. So this is section 103 of the Education and Training Act. But, in there, in terms of the ability to tell \u201Ccertain things\u201D\u2014ambiguously and also disconcertingly\u2014it should\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000900\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d4533b632829ca629c8731a90a4dda6c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Excuse me\u2014could you repeat the amendment?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000901\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223c6f415cbae6a4c5c4702acd6602d28\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: The amendment is 5.10.20\u00A0p.m. 19 May 2026.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000902\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220da3ac537af937206fe0c41f1dd139a5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: 5.10.20? All right.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000903\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229dcbdb037bee12dbd564d3af62bf7fc8\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Yes. It specifies that telling of certain things should only apply to a parent, whereas the preceding section, from memory, also includes things like wh\u0101nau members or caregiver. I note that sometimes it\u2019s not simply a parent who might be in charge of a child\u2019s wellbeing or care for a child on a day-to-day basis. I\u2019m curious to know why this section doesn\u2019t include wh\u0101nau members or caregivers. So my amendment simply states that after \u201Cparent\u201D, you should also insert \u201Cwh\u0101nau member or a caregiver\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000904\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003ENow, just on to section 11, and this is my last bit for the current contribution. I\u2019m looking at my Amendment Paper 623. Essentially, for this particular amendment, one of the things that has changed with section 91 is now that rather than the State school \u201Cmust consult\u201D\u2014the Minister previously also said that State school now \u201Cinforms\u201D. Sorry, I just need a tiny bit more time, Mr Chair, I do apologise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000905\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a63d92f5d67345a1c884c7b464db04c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Yep\u2014Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000906\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d5604af2afdf7571375eb5bc66291b3e\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Just one final thing: my amendment is just to ensure that there is some sort of framing or framework around when a school then does decide on a health curriculum. Because now what\u2019s not in section 91 anymore is how and who decides that new curriculum. Is it a school? Is it the ministry and then do it? Like, is it being done on the school; what\u2019s happening in there? But I just want to make sure that my Amendment Paper 623\u2014\u201Cafter section 91(2) \u2026 insert: [new] (2A) In making the content of the health curriculum, the board of a State school\u201D\u2014I\u2019m assuming is the board\u2014\u201Cmust have regard (without limitation) for: (a) prohibited grounds of discrimination under the Human Rights Act 1993;\u201D and also have regards for consent. Because I think it is important for us to know, when it comes to children\u2019s wellbeing and safety, that any relationship and sexual education contains information on consent and is prohibited from perpetuating harms such as harmful transphobia, homophobia, interphobia, and biphobia that affect people with diverse genders, sexualities, and sexual characteristics. So if the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind addressing that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u002238800def52240908d47e391e81ae1609\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000907\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002238800def52240908d47e391e81ae1609\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:36)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m getting some advice on the first questions that the member Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan raised, because I just need some advice. But on that last part, I would suggest that the member goes and reads the draft health and PE curriculum. It has \u201Cconsent\u201D in there for the first time; in fact, I did a press release about it. It\u2019s quite a big deal, and it\u2019s really important that consent is taught. It is in the new curriculum, and I suggest that the member goes and has a look at that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000908\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe health curriculum has been written\u2014it has always been a ministry-led curriculum. There\u2019s never been, as far as I\u2019m aware, a health curriculum that has been developed by schools and that doesn\u2019t relate to a national curriculum. So this is us setting the national\u2014or updating and refreshing the existing national curriculum. The changes in this bill are around ensuring that schools aren\u2019t in the middle of quite a difficult situation where they are having to go and consult with their communities. What we\u2019re changing this to is that they just need to say to parents what is in the curriculum. We\u2019re going to be very open about that as well; that\u2019s going to be on the Parent Portal. So we\u2019re setting out in great detail every year what is being\u2014[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E] If the member wants to listen, I suggest she just quietens down for a moment, otherwise I\u2019ll sit down and you can ask questions and I won\u2019t answer them. So your choice.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000909\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBack to Lawrence Xu-Nan. So this curriculum is set and will be gazetted. It\u2019ll be up to schools to then share details of that curriculum with their parent community, but not to have to consult on it. The reason that we have not required this is because it has put schools in a very difficult position because it is very polarising and there are very strongly held views on either side around this. Now, there was a report done by the Education Review Office that talked about this. In fact, I\u2019ve heard from a lot of schools who said, \u201CThank you very much for not putting us in the middle of a very divisive issue.\u201D So, instead, it\u2019s being very clearly laid out, every single year, what must be taught, and that will be shared. It is out for consultation at the moment. The member who\u2019s been speaking up during my answer\u2014I suggest that if she\u2019s interested in having a say on what\u2019s in it, that, firstly, she reads it and, secondly, she puts in some of her own comments about what she might like to see in it. I\u2019m not sure that that\u2019s happened. I know that consultation has already closed, and I\u2019m not sure whether or not her or her party have put any recommendations in, but if they haven\u2019t, that would be a great shame, given that they have many opinions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u00223222e8f9bb3ea92ae1467a7c1bd015a2\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00223222e8f9bb3ea92ae1467a7c1bd015a2\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (21:40)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I\u2018d just like to speak to the amendments I have under clause 10. I think there\u2019s six of them, and I can give you the numbers if you would like: 4.30.45, 4.30.46, 4.30.47, 4.30.48, 4.30.49, and 4.30.50\u2014oh, there\u2019s another one\u2014and 4.30.51. All of those pertain to clause 10, and I\u2019d really like to pick up on the Minister of Education\u2019s comment that she doesn\u2019t think that this bill gives her the power to change the curriculum, that that\u2019s already been around. Because from my reading\u2014and please correct me if I\u2019m wrong\u2014 the amendment to section 90 and the insertions of new sections 90A and 90B do represent a fundamental shift from professional, sector-led curriculum development to direct ministerial control. That\u2019s the way I read it.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000911\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe bill replaces national curriculum statements with curriculum statements, transforming them from frameworks describing what students should learn into prescriptive directives specifying what must be taught and how it is taught. In fact, new section 90A establishes regular reviews, but new section 90B\u2014that\u2019s the important one, 90B, that the Minister could read that part of the bill and explain to me that that doesn\u2019t give her extra powers\u2014allows the Minister to issue or amend a curriculum at any time without any sector input, effectively bypassing any review process. The core issue is not whether the curriculum should provide direction and coherence\u2014it should. The question is whether that direction should come from the collective wisdom of education and some of the people who are in the sector and the communities that it serves, and not from a single political office subject to changing electoral cycles. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000912\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EUnderneath that, and my specific amendments relate to that, it\u2019s really undermining Te Tiriti o Waitangi and obligations to m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori, because any curriculum framework must protect schools\u2019 obligations to the Treaty and this requires maintaining schools\u2019 ability to localise their curriculum, to engage if they want to with local hapu or iwi, and ensuring that m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori is not subject to a veto by her under new section 90B.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000913\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe problem is the shift that she says doesn\u2019t exist, the shift from national curriculum statements providing direction while enabling local adaptation to curriculum statements, which are prescriptive and centrally controlled, fundamentally changes the relationship between national direction and local implementation, and that\u2019s the same issue as we were raising under the issue around absenteeism and school attendance. You\u2019re taking the power away from our local communities and you\u2019re installing it in the top in the offices in Wellington, and you need to be accountable back to our communities, and by doing this, it\u2019s removing that accountability. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000914\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ECentralising the curriculum and reducing local flexibility will significantly limit schools\u2019 ability to do things that they want to like have tikanga and m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori relevant to local teaching programmes, and it will limit those abilities for local communities to do it. New section 90B\u2019s override power makes this concrete and it specifies in here\u2014and I can read it\u2014that the Minister must have regard to the Secretary of Education\u2019s recommendation; that they can impose changes whether or not the Secretary has reviewed that curriculum statement, or even reported on it for that matter. Educators contributing their expertise through a formal review process could see that input completely dismissed. The proposed changes in this have that problem with the Treaty. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000915\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other amendments I provided also, I want to highlight, create barriers to inclusive and equitable learning. It\u2019s important to note that equity requires flexibility, and changes like this remove that flexibility from the system. If teachers can\u2019t retain professional discretion to adapt both the curriculum and also their methodology to meet the needs of individual learners, whether that\u2019s neurodiversity or other issues there, that they have the ability to meet those learners\u2019 needs. Any differentiation by school type must be rigorously examined for equity impacts before implementation. Having this prescriptive approach that she will preside over means that it takes away any ability to adapt practice to what each individual leaner may need, and that\u2019s the real risk of this system change. Mr Chair, I still would like to wind up, I\u2019ve got a whole range of ones. I\u2019ll do one more call if that\u2019s OK.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000916\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002236aceff2360e1d6122edcb988530ad21\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: Why don\u2019t you just let me answer that one and then\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000917\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221fa24ba2f4724fb91eabba49ee23ae2f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019ll let the Minister respond and then we\u2019ll come back to you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00221791153e6841ce3514ae16930c83de21\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000918\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00221791153e6841ce3514ae16930c83de21\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:45)\u003C/span\u003E: At the risk of repeating myself\u2014I think now for the fourth time\u2014there is nothing in this bill that makes any changes to the way that the curriculum statements are made, that they are changed, or that they are revoked. Now, the member is making it sound like there was something existing in the previous Act that said that it had to be sector-led, or there had to be an independent statutory body, or some other type of arrangement that limited the Minister\u2019s power. If the member believes that, I think she should point to the Act where it says that\u2014because it doesn\u2019t. There is nothing in the existing legislation that requires any of those things. It has always been at the Minister\u2019s discretion to issue, revoke, or amend curriculum statements, and nothing is changed. In fact, I\u2019m looking at the existing Act, the Education and Training Act 2020, in front of me at the moment. \u201CThe Minister may make the following: foundation curriculum policy [documents]\u201D; \u201CThe Minister may make national curriculum statements\u201D. The only thing that this bill is doing is merging those two things together and calling them curriculum statements. There is nothing that is being removed or changed around anything else\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000919\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EI already stated this as well in an answer to Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2014so I\u2019m repeating myself again\u2014teachers in the classroom adapt their teaching practice to meet the needs of the students in front of them in order to engage them and ensure that their learning needs are being met. All we are prescribing, as every Minister has done, including the previous Minister of Education under the previous Government, is setting out what must be taught and the skills that must be gained. The way that the teacher engages the students and brings that to life in the classroom and the things that they bring in to their learning, like m\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori, is up to the professionalism of the teacher on the ground to engage those students. That has not changed. I\u2019ve already covered this ground a number of times. If the members are still confused, I suggest they read the existing legislation, and then this legislation, and they will see that there is nothing that has changed in terms of the Minister\u2019s ability.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u0022f83dae7643c7f99b71e87c63bbbc6596\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000920\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f83dae7643c7f99b71e87c63bbbc6596\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (21:47)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Chair. Well, I\u2019m pleased the Minister of Education made that reference because my amendment that I was meant to speak to\u20144.30.48\u2014explicitly relates to new section 90B, inserted by clause 10, which is what we read as the ministerial override power. If the Minister could take time to read 90B and explain how that is not a ministerial override power, then you\u2019re doing better than me because it reads to me that that is exactly what it does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000921\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe problem with new section 90B, and what my amendment seeks to remedy, is that the curriculum\u2014actually, to finish the last point I was making, which was having a prescriptive curriculum that doesn\u2019t allow the room to move is a real concern to inclusive and equitable learning. That was the point I was going to make. Allowing curriculum statements to differ according to school classrooms, year groups, and levels creates a tiered education system that research consistently shows institutional streaming disproportionately disadvantages M\u0101ori and students from low socioeconomic backgrounds. We are worried that the ministerial override power in new section 90B will follow the same outcomes as the United Kingdom when they introduced these measures, and they will further entrench existing inequalities, particularly from low socioeconomic backgrounds. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000922\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe point I would like to make next, Mr Chair, in relation to new section 90B, is that the view is that curriculum changes should only occur through a sector-led review process with adequate implementation timeframes, and that\u2019s the difference. We\u2019re having a curriculum that is coming from the top and being implemented. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000923\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe combination of sections 90A, regular reviews, and 90B, ministerial changes at will, creates maximum instability in the sector. My proposal is to make an amendment, and it\u2019s important to note that every Curriculum change required substantial work\u2014training teachers, developing resources, redesigning programmes, recalibrating assessments; doing all that work. When the Curriculum can be changed at ministerial discretion, schools face continuous disruption and unstable and unsustainable implementation, and that is exactly what\u2019s been happening, and I suspect that is why she\u2019s paused the Curriculum roll-out\u2014because it\u2019s got to the point where it\u2019s breaking point and there are schools and teachers out there that are just unable to do it. The pause is, I think, a result from that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000924\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe last point I\u2019d like to make in terms of sections 90A and 90B is the removing of community voice from that ability. We have those amendments\u2014I think there were six or seven amendments\u2014to really enable, if education in New Zealand is going to work in a way we\u2019re engaged with our communities, if we really do care about parents getting good, accurate information about their children and their achievements, and that it can\u2019t be just done from Wellington, to people, you need to be engaging with communities and understanding the different needs. A rural high school is going to be very different from an urban primary school or a kura kaupapa M\u0101ori. They are different communities with different needs, and having one single approach from the top to the bottom fails to understand the individual circumstances of not only communities but those students as well. As I\u2019ve highlighted, the risks are we\u2019re able to disown any obligations under the Treaty and we seriously risk further entrenching inequalities within New Zealand and creating barriers to inclusive and equitable learning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000925\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019m at a loss as to how sections 90A and 90B actually help our young people learn and achieve and succeed when what this appears to do is just create barriers to young people who might learn in a different way, and it fails to understand that not all children learn the same way. I know that the Minister thinks that all brains learn the same, but there is other evidence that shows that different children learn in different ways, and this implementation of sections 90A and 90B completely ignores that evidence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022f67588f268c9afdcf579997c18ef91b6\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000926\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f67588f268c9afdcf579997c18ef91b6\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:52)\u003C/span\u003E: Firstly, the point of this section is to stop what\u2019s happening at the moment. We\u2019ve been in a situation where we are having to refresh the entire Curriculum at once. We did it back in 2007, and we\u2019re doing it again. It is extraordinarily disruptive, and it was a process that was begun by the previous Government in, I think, 2019. They managed to get one strand of one curriculum out in that six-year period, but the point is that we cannot keep doing this to the sector, where we do it all at once. It is disruptive and it is difficult, and the point of this section is to say, \u201CActually, let\u2019s look at what other countries do, where they don\u2019t completely change the Curriculum every 20 years, but instead they have small, rolling reviews, ongoing, small tweaks to make sure that the Curriculum up to date all the time.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000927\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAgain\u2014I think this is the sixth time I\u2019ve said the same thing\u2014the current section 91 said the Minister can make a curriculum statement. That means the Minister can replace at any time existing\u2014it is at the moment an unfettered ability. That is in the existing legislation. What section 90B does means the Minister can\u2019t do that without the Secretary\u2019s advice, evidence, and research, and all those things. We are actually putting in place a constraint on the Minister\u2019s powers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000928\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe final point is a point I\u2019ve already made, again, around the engagement of the young people in the classroom and the way that the teacher adapts the teaching practice to meet the needs of those children. That, as I\u2019ve already said, now for the third time, will remain at the professional judgment of the teacher in the classroom, for them to be able to make those calls. I don\u2019t know how many times I have to say it. The member may not understand, but that\u2019s not my problem. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00223bb897ab8d624eca84bc4356dec862f4\u0022 data-id=\u0022f7a88e54aff427fc20fe06727c055f2f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000929\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223bb897ab8d624eca84bc4356dec862f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022f7a88e54aff427fc20fe06727c055f2f\u0022\u003EH\u016AHANA LYNDON (Green) (21:54)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019m standing on behalf of Te P\u0101ti K\u0101k\u0101riki to speak to proposed Amendment Paper 624, and this is in relation to clause 11A. It\u2019s a bit emotional this one, because we\u2019ve been to the Waitangi Tribunal on it, and it is in relation to how our schools give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi. This clause is seeking the return, the retention, of the way schools can give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, so the amendment states, \u201C(3) After section 127(2)(b): insert (ba) to ensure that the school gives effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi:\u201D.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000930\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI want to pay tribute to Ng\u0101ti Hine and Te Kapotai and our education leaders who took the urgent claim to the Waitangi Tribunal, Wai 3553, and successfully argued cases on behalf of the thousands of voices of support, the hundreds of schools, and the 70 percent of the education sector that stood up and shared through Te R\u0101rangi Rangatira that they support and will uphold Te Tiriti o Waitangi locally, in community, as allies and supporters, and that their students, tamariki, and mokopuna would learn these key fundamental tenets of our Aotearoa New Zealand of today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000931\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhat the Waitangi Tribunal shared with us in their recommendations and findings is that there has been a neglect of the relationship between tangata whenua and the Crown, and that the decision to pursue these significant amendments in the removal of Te Tiriti obligations and giving effect to Te Tiriti locally degrades the relationship between te K\u0101wanatanga and tangata whenua. We\u2019ve heard in the media that the Minister is doing this because the Tiriti relationship sits with her on behalf of the K\u0101wanatanga rather than at a school level or a board level, so my question to the Minister is: how has the Minister, as the mana holder, taken on board this huge relationship of being the relationship holder with tangata whenua and uri of the signatories of Te Tiriti, in taking these changes to them? How have tangata whenua worked alongside the Minister in reaching this stage whereby the proposal is to remove this part of the legislation that provided the space for giving effect to Te Tiriti? If the mana sits with the Minister, how does it come into effect? What is the actual embodiment of it?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000932\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe\u2019ve seen clearly in the reporting from Crown officials that there\u2019s been no consultation. I must be living under a rock somewhere in Whang\u0101rei, where education leaders have said, \u201CWe haven\u2019t been asked, either. We haven\u2019t been asked at all. We value the way in which, through legislation, we are required to give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and, through that, then go and build those relationships with local hap\u016B, iwi, and k\u0101inga, to work together on curriculum development, adopting M\u0101tauranga M\u0101ori and working in the way that they can deliver and strengthen those relationships.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000933\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMy p\u0101tai is to the Minister: will she consider following the recommendations and findings of the Waitangi Tribunal, backed by some 70 percent of our schools across the motu, re-establish and uphold the fact that schools must give effect to Te Tiriti o Waitangi; and if not, how does the Minister, as the mana holder, demonstrate that she will value the iwi M\u0101ori relationship and that she has done that through this process, and how will the breach and the undermining and the degrading of the M\u0101ori-Crown relationship be healed through this process? The Waitangi Tribunal has been very clear in its direction. The claimants and education sector support the recommendations and findings. The p\u0101tai is: \u003Cspan lang=\u0022mi\u0022\u003Eka p\u0113hea\u003C/span\u003E [\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003Ehow\u003C/span\u003E]? How are we going to repair what has been damaged thus far?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u002237cf75eb0e15bc2b5bda40bf007b8a5f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000934\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002237cf75eb0e15bc2b5bda40bf007b8a5f\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (21:59)\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve said publicly on a number of occasions\u2014and the member referred to it\u2014that the Treaty duty sits between the Crown and iwi M\u0101ori, and I take that duty very seriously. The Crown entities that are school boards are legally separate from the Crown, and to delegate a Treaty duty to a Crown entity that is legally separate from the Crown is, in Cabinet\u2019s view, not something that we want to do. It has been a Cabinet decision.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe member asks how we uphold that Treaty obligation, and I point her to article 3, which is around ensuring that the outcomes for tamariki M\u0101ori are raised and are the same as every other student. Through our work programme, the member will have seen that we established a M\u0101ori ministerial advisory group, and I was very pleased to announce today that the Hon Kelvin Davis is now a part of it. They are ensuring that our entire work programme is around raising M\u0101ori achievement. That is how we are giving effect to the Treaty, to make sure that all tamariki M\u0101ori have the ability to succeed at school and then in life, in further education or in employment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000936\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt is well documented, although the media tend not to cover it, all of the efforts we\u2019re putting into not only resourcing, curriculum assessments, supporting the workforce to make sure that M\u0101ori, regardless of whether they are learning in M\u0101ori-medium, kura kaupapa, or in mainstream, have that ability to succeed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000937\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002264177863743321b34c50ab1a5d3c27d7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time has come for me to leave the Chair. The House is suspended until 9 a.m. tomorrow morning.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000938\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterItalicsCentred\u0022\u003ESitting suspended from 10.01 p.m. to 9 a.m. (Wednesday)\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000939\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022372116f8c71e788c50118f66f2fbbb8e\u0022\u003EExtended Sitting\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000940\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022d54eb88945be5ddcad698b9bc752d9ac\u0022\u003EWednesday, 20 May 2026\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n    \u003Cdiv class=\u0022HpsHansard\u0022\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000941\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsProceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022806f34129c72a5092bf575b457fcd76e\u0022\u003EBills\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000942\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u0022a7920e7a744c6b817c9f6bab4f56daf4\u0022\u003EEducation and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000943\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u002246a5b3066a84bc4c9a9952a7dfb19620\u0022\u003ECommittee of the whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000944\u0022\u003EDebate resumed.\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000945\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsClauseHeading\u0022 id=\u002224246abf32db3f95291883488f3d4e54\u0022\u003EPart 1 Amendments to principal Act\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000946\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b0b7984a25e3a06878a7d0d3f0b653ae\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Good morning, members. The committee is resumed on the Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill. When we suspended last night, we were debating Part 1. Once again, the question is that Part 1 stand part.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u0022dbbbb4c76af1388914bf16119a165fa5\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000947\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022dbbbb4c76af1388914bf16119a165fa5\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (09:00)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. It\u2019s good to see the Government parties being so enthusiastic about taking a call this early in the morning, considering we still have quite a bit of this bill to go, as well as the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 583\u2014without consultation, without select committee\u2014to discuss as well. On top of that, I think it is important to remind the committee again that this is a system reform bill; it reforms the entirety of the education system, from early childhood education all the way up to tertiary level, which we have seen in the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper, which also touches on tertiary. There are quite a few things to discuss, and no doubt my colleagues will have more to say regarding clause 11A, around section\u00A0127.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000948\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI actually want to move on to a clause a little bit further along, noting that I don\u2019t actually have any questions for clauses 13 to 16. I actually think that they do spell it out quite clearly, so I\u2019m actually going to move on to clause 17. Now, new sections 170A and 170C are new sections. This is around the State schools of serious concern. Again, we\u2019ve heard from submitters around that. This partly ties into\u2014just signalling to you, Mr Chair\u2014one of my further questions around clause 25. The first question is: when we are looking at State schools of serious concern, what is unclear in here is whether this is something that the Minister would then use to convert schools to charter schools, in terms of forced conversion?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000949\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIf the Minister could also recall back to when we did the debate for the education and training bill (No 1) back in 2024, the Minister was very clear that the delegated power to convert schools from State schools to charter schools remained with the Minister of Education and did not delegate that to any other Minister. So, for this particular new section, is this something that we\u2019re looking at? Also, in terms of the details, I want to check, because I cannot find a reference point anywhere else in the Education and Training Act on the dates\u2014on the timing or the time frame\u2014that have been used here, in terms of new section 170A(2), \u201CThe Chief Review Officer must notify the Secretary and the Minister of their view within 2 working days\u201D. Then, when we get to new section 170B: \u201CThe report must be given within 28 working days\u201D, to the Secretary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000950\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI do want to check with you, Minister, where those dates came from, as a starting point. This is more of, I guess, in some ways a procedural element. I do have a couple of amendments to this particular new section. I\u2019ve got a couple of amendments in terms of the date and the timing, but one of the amendments that I want to check with the Minister is: the other thing, when it comes to State schools of serious concern, broadly, is that schools don\u2019t necessarily operate in a silo. When we are looking at a school of serious concern, often there could be internal management and administration concerns, but a lot of the time some of the concerns are also broader and more societal and more based in the community, as opposed to specifically the school that is of concern itself. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000951\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn that case, I want to test with the Minister if the Minister would consider an amendment from me to new section 170C(2), after paragraph (c), which is: \u201CThe Secretary must give the Chief Review Officer and the Minister a written report that sets out\u2014(d) any relevant information about the school community.\u201D I think that\u2019s really important, to also help contextualise what are some of the broader issues when it comes to State schools of serious concern.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000952\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThose are my first questions to the Minister. Just to recap: on clause 17, when we\u2019re looking at State schools of serious concern, we\u2019re looking at where those dates came from\u2014what is a reference point, if there are any other reference points in the Education and Training Act? My amendment is Amendment Paper 629.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00224c88008ab7a4dec52c9fe460fb5ca48a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224c88008ab7a4dec52c9fe460fb5ca48a\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (09:05)\u003C/span\u003E: Three questions can be dealt with quite quickly. The background to this is that there are schools who have been failing for years and years and years, and the Ministry of Education are not getting on to them quickly enough to make sure that we\u2019re providing the resources, the tools, and the interventions, in terms of limited statutory managers, commissioners, resourcing, or help to make sure that they get what they need to turn around. It is our view, after taking advice, that we need to make sure there is something in the system that requires a report to be made quite quickly so that we can get on to that. The bill is about raising that concern early.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000954\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EConsideration was given to make sure that the Education Review Office (ERO) has enough time to properly write a report and get feedback from the school and do their investigation, but we want to know immediately. When ERO is in there and if they have a concern\u2014a serious concern\u2014about a school, that needs to be raised almost immediately. That is where those 48 hours comes from, and another 28 days for them to ensure that they are working with the school\u2014understanding, as the member said, all of those issues that a school might be facing\u2014to write a report to the Secretary for Education, and then that Secretary for Education has 30 days after that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000955\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EHowever, I would note that, while context is important, it is important that when young people go to school, they get the very best education despite the circumstances they come from. They may come from a deprived household or a deprived area, but when they turn up to school, they have the very best Curriculum, the very best teachers, the very best resources so that they get an opportunity to turn their lives around. So, while societal concerns are always taken into account, we are interested in what resources the schools need to provide the very best education. ERO will look at those during their report but I will not be supporting the member\u2019s Amendment Paper, because that is the job for ERO to look at when they\u2019re doing their report, not the Secretary for Education.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u002278d3f0c0e6f7dad82675f1470ed35f85\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000956\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002278d3f0c0e6f7dad82675f1470ed35f85\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (09:07)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I do have a point on schools of concern, but I have, I think, four amendments and their numbers are 4.30.53, 4.30.54, 4.30.55 and 4.30.56\u2014actually, also 4.30.57. They\u2019re all in relation to amendments to clause 11, clause 12, clause 13, clause 14, and clause 16.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000957\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019d be really interested to know, particularly the Minister\u2019s views on amendment 4.30.55 that I\u2019ve provided, and this tabled amendment amends clause 13 of the  Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill, and moves responsibility from the Secretary for Education to the board of the School Property Agency for allowing school boards to grant leases or licences on land. This amendment deletes that change to ensure split responsibility and, therefore, cooperation between the ministry and the new agency for school property.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000958\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe do know that this is a big issue for local schools. I acknowledge that the new property entity is, potentially, going to make life better. Hopefully, principals and schools will spend less time concerning themselves. But there have been real concerns that have been raised, not just from the education sector but from communities themselves, that there will be a slackening of community autonomy in and around decision making around school property with this shift. I\u2019m interested to know the Minister\u2019s views on my amendment 4.30.55.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other one which I\u2019ve referred to, which is 4.30.53, is in and around also having student involvement and peer involvement over health education and how that works. While we briefly discussed that last night, I didn\u2019t get the opportunity to really ask the Minister whether she\u2019d consider my amendment 4.30.53 to ensure that students also have agency over what health education they get access to, and acknowledging that this is a sensitive area.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000960\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt\u2019s great that we\u2019ve got consent coming back into the curriculum, but there are a range of other issues that young people are struggling with at times. It would be really interesting to know whether the Minister would consider having a student voice in some of those determinations about what is consulted on and what they are able to be informed about. That might be a really useful way of understanding, maybe, what young people need, what sorts of skills they want to be able to navigate a very different and changing world, and having a greater element of student voice in and around those areas. I\u2019d be really interested to hear the Minister\u2019s views out of all of those amendments\u20144.30.53, in and around the health education and how that\u2019s progressing, and, secondly, on 4.30.55, the ability to have split responsibility and cooperation between the ministry and the new agency for school property.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022 data-id=\u0022ea1856b1f6b97b698bba73ed4fccd58d\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000961\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022ea1856b1f6b97b698bba73ed4fccd58d\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui) (09:11)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat debate on this question now close\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cd2454ca7a0244af16a2f6c375b3a4f4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, now, I\u2019m aware that this a late Amendment Paper; however, if members are going to make long speeches, this is the time of the debate\u2014we\u2019ve been going 2\u00BD hours, nearly\u2014where we would expect to be very tight around questions and referring to the parts of the bill that are going to be talked to, and to be making progress. After this, that will be very closely watched.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u0022d85464397f90503564fe08c7b94b5ba3\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000963\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d85464397f90503564fe08c7b94b5ba3\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (09:11)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. Thank you for your response, Minister, but I think one of the questions that you haven\u2019t responded to, whether\u2014I acknowledge the fact that the idea is working with the State schools of serious concern when it comes to ensuring they have the right resources, but one of the questions that I asked the Minister around forced conversion is something that the Minister hasn\u2019t responded to. That ties in really nicely to the section I\u2019m actually going to be speaking to next. I know that, again, my colleagues might have had additional points to cover previously, but I do want to check, in terms of\u2014and I\u2019m actually going to skip a couple of sections, noting that the questions around charter schools particularly, when we were looking at clauses 20, 21, 22, and 23, the Minister may not be able to answer fully if that\u2019s not her delegation. But I will want to check something with the Minister on clause 25, and this is new sections 212ZEA and 212ZEB.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000964\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENoting what I mentioned before about Ministers\u2019 oversight of State schools and conversion to charter schools, I want to check\u2014with the question I had before about forced conversion of schools of serious concern\u2014in this case, in clause 25, is that the Minister as in the Minister in the chair\u2019s responsibility as the Minister of Education or the delegated Minister who is responsible for charter schools? Who is in charge of this particular section\u2014if the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind clarifying? Particularly when it says in 212ZEB that the \u201CMinister must establish replacement State school\u201D\u2014is that the Minister in the chair? Is that the associate Minister? Is that both? I think that\u2019s an important question to ask.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000965\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other thing that I\u2019ve noticed that is quite peculiar about this particular section\u2014and, again, I want to be on the record to say that this section was something that we had proposed an amendment to back in the Education and Training Amendment Bill 2024, where we addressed the concern that there is no opportunity for charter schools to convert back. I am glad to see that it\u2019s being included in the bill. But what I want to check is that in 212ZEB(3), \u201Cthe Minister is not required to establish a replacement \u2026 school if \u2026 1 or more of the following apply\u201D, and (c) is that \u201Cthere is insufficient community support for integration of the school\u201D. However, what it doesn\u2019t say is whether the Minister must establish a replacement State integrated school or State school\u2014this is both for, let\u2019s say, 212ZEB(3) and 212ZEB(6)\u2014if there is sufficient community support for such a school. Subsection (3) is if \u201C1 or more of the following apply\u201D, so in a scenario, what you could have is the Crown could decide that there would be significant financial implications, despite there being sufficient community support for a State school or State integrated school.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000966\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI want to draw the Minister\u2019s attention to two of my amendments\u2014this is 19 May 2026, 9.25.10, and 19 May 2026, 9.25.11; this is part of the pack that says 131 amendments\u2014just to say that despite subsection (3) and subsection (6), the Minister must establish a replacement State school or State integrated school if there is sufficient community support for the integration of a school or sufficient community support for the school. I think that is important for the community who wants to have a school back in their community, and the Crown can just say, \u201CWell, we\u2019re not going to do that. Go somewhere else, because we don\u2019t think it\u2019s financially viable.\u201D\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000967\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI just want to start by asking if the Minister is open to those two amendments and any other questions I have around this section regarding forced conversion and ministerial delegation. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00228797e429fcda8afcf55c7437f9a6237a\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000968\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228797e429fcda8afcf55c7437f9a6237a\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (09:16)\u003C/span\u003E: In relation to those questions, the first one about who has a delegation is not a change in this bill. It\u2019s not in scope.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000969\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn relation to the question around the New Zealand School Property Agency (NZSPA) in cooperation with the ministry, the first point I\u2019d make is this is about separating the ministry from school property so we get better delivery, better communication with schools, better value for money, and ensuring that the ministry are the policy shop and that the NZSPA are doing the job in school property. However, there are still some things that sit with the ministry, like network planning, and that is how they will be involved. They will still need to cooperate, but we do not need to put that in legislation, so we won\u2019t be supporting any amendments around that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000970\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn relation to the proposed amendment from Ginny Andersen about \u201Cas long as the student agrees\u201D, we won\u2019t be supporting this. It is very difficult to get informed consent from an 8-year-old. We think that it\u2019s better getting that consent from their parents. That makes much more sense. We will not be supporting that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000971\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn relation to Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s question around the change of a charter school back to the State, I just want to make the point that in the time that a charter school has been operating, there may be some instances where surrounding State schools have been growing, given more classrooms. A new State school may have popped up. It may not make financial sense or network sense in that regard, because we have ensured that the network is fully prepared for the students. There may also not be sufficient community support. But the starting point is that the Minister will convert back unless those things are in play\u2014there\u2019s no community support, or the fact is that, actually, we just built a new school down the road and there is no longer sufficient need or it\u2019s not justified financially.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022 data-id=\u0022283ca7f64d604159fb718a613c91a5be\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000972\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022283ca7f64d604159fb718a613c91a5be\u0022\u003ESTEVE ABEL (Green) (09:18)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I\u2019m specifically following up on a response to a question, in the life span of the debate, about 21 minutes ago\u2014the last response that the Minister gave last night to this question around clause 11A on the consequential part of Te Tiriti o Waitangi in our education system. It was a question put by my colleague H\u016Bhana Lyndon. The Minister\u2019s response in regards to diminishing the status of the Treaty in the legislative framework around education was that schools and the Government are legally separate entities. I\u2019d invite the Minister to draw out that reflection. My question is: is not the State, in State schools, enabling an agent, which is to say State schools are agents of the State, and they are fulfilling the policy expectations of the State, as manifest in the Government of the day, in terms of the way that they undertake their public education?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000973\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EEven if you presume a degree of legal separation, there is not constitutional separation between the State and those entities within the State\u2014certainly those who are acting as agents of the educational objectives of the Government. Can you please explain, Minister, or respond to whether there is a way to credibly argue that in the formulation of the curriculum and in the formulation of the expectations placed on a school and our schools the country, they are somehow not acting as agents of the State and therefore the Crown? If the Crown has obligations to our founding agreement, Te Tiriti o Waitangi, how can it possibly be that the agents of the Crown don\u2019t have those same obligations? That is exactly why it needs to be articulated and made plainly clear in the structure of the expectations placed on those schools, and the legislative direction placed on those schools, that the Treaty must be upheld and given effect to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000974\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA matter of clarity: there\u2019s a very practical reason for this. In living memory, people were punished for speaking te reo M\u0101ori in our schools. I met a man down T\u016Bwharetoa\u2014a Kawerau kaum\u0101tua who was beaten for speaking his language in the 1950s. There\u2019s a very sound reason for why it needs to be made clear to schools about their obligations to uphold the Treaty, our founding agreement. My final question is: in removing Treaty obligations from being placed directly on schools, is that not in and of itself a breach of the Treaty on the part of the Crown?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u00224870f2599022291da308c92217e2bbcc\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000975\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224870f2599022291da308c92217e2bbcc\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (09:22)\u003C/span\u003E: Right, we dealt with this last night, but I\u2019ll deal with it again. State schools are legally separate from the Crown\u2014section 124 of the Education and Training Act\u2014they are not part of the core Crown. The Treaty duty sits with the Ministers and departments. The Waitangi Tribunal and Crown Law are very clear on this, and it\u2019s the same as the law for other Crown entities as well. I want to make\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000976\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002233a8db41ad0c4278b7eb829406824bb5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225cd11526353f7572becc1f1371183ea5\u0022\u003ESteve Abel\u003C/span\u003E: Are they constitutionally separate, though?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000977\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228a3290efaff2d57c421f4a2d3746a221\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: I want to draw the member\u2019s attention to the fact that in both section 127, and also around the establishment of NZSPA, the New Zealand School Property Agency, you will note that it says, \u201Cthe New Zealand School Property Agency must support the Crown in its responsibility to give effect to [the Treaty of Waitangi]\u201D. It\u2019s exactly the same for school boards. In section 127, we are very clear on the duties that school boards\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000978\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00223bb897ab8d624eca84bc4356dec862f4\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ede3d5bdd72b67006a2157b94931bcea\u0022\u003EH\u016Bhana Lyndon\u003C/span\u003E: What\u2019s your reply to National Iwi Chairs?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000979\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002207a9f95e9a4fa6482b932527aa0de246\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD\u003C/span\u003E: If you want to listen rather than yell at me, I suggest you just be quiet. In section 127, it lays out very clearly the duties school boards must undertake to support our responsibility as the Crown and me as the Minister in discharging our duties under the Treaty of Waitangi, because that\u2019s where they sit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022 data-id=\u0022066f37fd3c2d9360c74c8fd7fcdb58fb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000980\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022df3e6766443b46819410ad4fedf34077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022066f37fd3c2d9360c74c8fd7fcdb58fb\u0022\u003ESTUART SMITH (Senior Whip\u2014National) (09:23)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat debate on this question now close\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000981\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022300d520bda31f37bfd7299ad5964d0f1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: I suggest that members move forward. Going backwards and repeating questions from previously is not advancing.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u0022a65de75777690a0160f7c5b291fa4ca0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000982\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a65de75777690a0160f7c5b291fa4ca0\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (09:23)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Chair. Before I get onto my tabled amendments, which I\u2019ll speak to directly from the bill, I just want to point out that the Minister earlier on did say that the Associate Minister, the Hon David Seymour, would be available in the House specifically to answer questions around early childhood education (ECE), which we haven\u2019t been able to question in this bill. He popped down and then he ran away again. I\u2019m just flagging that we have questions around ECE and our spokesperson would like to ask those, so we would like to know, if the Minister herself is unable to answer those, will he be coming back down?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000983\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5a81b88dcb3dec896a219728ed65744\u0022\u003EHon Erica Stanford\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s here at 9.30 a.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022571be87fe7f6d098f60f4215ffa368eb\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN\u003C/span\u003E: At 9.30 a.m.\u2014that\u2019s wonderful. The other point I would like to make before getting on to my tabled amendments is that in Amendment Paper 583, which was tabled yesterday, there are a number of changes there that did not go through select committee. There are Speaker\u2019s Rulings\u2014I think it\u2019s 125/8\u2014that show that if there has not been a democratic process\u2014I\u2019m just highlighting that we, as members of Parliament, are being directly asked by members of the public who are impacted by this legislation and who have been denied their democratic right to submit at select committee. This is the only process for them to have their views heard, so I think that\u2019s important to note that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000985\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI have tabled a series of amendments, and I\u2019ll put them together in a group so that we\u2019re making good progress. Those amendments were lodged at 4.30.58 p.m., 4.30.59 p.m., 4.31.00 p.m., 4.31.01 p.m., and they all concern the issue\u2014the problem of this bill is that it does not define \u201Cserious concern\u201D; it makes that designation entirely subjective. I want to know from the Minister, will attendance issues trigger an intervention? Will it be poor NCEA outcomes that would trigger an intervention? Would it be staffing instability that would trigger an intervention? Or is it financial difficulties for the school, resourcing, that would require that label to be put on schools?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000986\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThis bill provides no guidance, leaving schools potentially very vulnerable to arbitrary designation. There is a strong view out there, and my amendments try to assist the Minister to fix this up, that it potentially enables a biased application. Research consistently shows that schools serving M\u0101ori, Pasifika communities, and low socio-economic students face greater scrutiny and harsher judgment than schools serving more privileged populations, even when performance differences are explained by systemic factors. Without having a clear definition in this bill of what \u201Cserious concern\u201D actually means, the label risks being disproportionately applied to schools serving marginalised communities. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000987\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThat\u2019s out fundamental concern with this entire bill\u2014that it will continue to further entrench existing inequalities in New Zealand. This example here is the prime one of that. It demonstrates clearly that after system was implemented in the United Kingdom, it further entrenched existing inequalities. Our concern is that clause 17 of this bill, by labelling schools of serious concern, not only creates sector-wide uncertainty, but it also disproportionately impacts schools that are already marginalised. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000988\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019d be really interested in whether the Minister would consider my amendments to prohibit forced charter school conversions entirely, and that schools should only become a charter school through community choice, not a Government imposition. We think that you should remove section 212G(1) of the Education and Training Act to ensure that the \u201Cschools of serious concern\u201D provision cannot be used to justify privatisation. I\u2019m really interested to hear the Minister\u2019s views on those amendment papers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022bfec8e1fde4c5d1673806bd3297567a4\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000989\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022bfec8e1fde4c5d1673806bd3297567a4\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (09:27)\u003C/span\u003E: Just in relation to the first part of that contribution around schools of serious concern: it is a judgment call by the chief review officer. They are they education expert, and I expect it to be focused on educational quality, and all of the things that the member mentioned in her contribution will be taken into account. I would make the point that the Education Review Office (ERO) already do this. They already label schools with \u201Cof serious concern\u201D. The issue here is that they\u2019re not raising it quickly enough with the Ministry, and we are not making sure we\u2019re getting on to it quickly enough. These things already exist.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000990\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI would point the member towards ERO\u2019s new reporting, to go and have a look at it, because when you understand the new reporting framework, we were very clear that it was important\u2014and ERO do this, but I wanted it codified in their reporting\u2014to make sure that they\u2019re not just looking at school performance but value-add. What is the progress\u2014where were children at, and what is the progress that they\u2019ve made? What is the value-add and the benefit that those students have gained by attending that school. That is going to be very important, and ERO consulted widely when they were looking at their new reporting. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000991\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWhile, yes, it is important for ERO to look to make sure that if there are schools that are failing seriously, they get on to that really quickly, they are looking across the boards at all different decile schools, or Equity Index schools, to look at that value-add piece. However, I\u2019d make the point that the schools of serious concern are often in our impoverished communities. They are often serving the most disadvantaged students, and we owe it to those families and those communities to make sure that their school has all of the supports that they need to be successful\u2014to turn their lives around.  I make no apology for the fact that we are going to be going in, we are going to be looking at what the issues are in the school and making sure that those schools have the supports and the timely supports to turn it around. Because some of those schools have been failing for decades; and families who are unable to move, unable to afford private schooling or after-school tuition, or don\u2019t have the time because they\u2019re working multiple jobs or have complex lives, unable to help their children at home, those kids just keep failing. I\u2019m not prepared to sit by and see what\u2019s been happening for decades in our country where we just ignore the problems. This bill is about getting on to it quickly and making sure we have the tools to support those schools so that when those kids turn up to school, they have the opportunity to experience a world-leading education system to turn their lives around. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u00228c920511e25aa196b818f7314cc4507f\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000992\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228c920511e25aa196b818f7314cc4507f\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (09:30)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. I just want to signal to you, Mr Chair, I am now moving on to a new section and this is something that we\u2019ll probably spend a little time discussing because it touches on the Minister of Education\u2019s Amendment Paper 583, so we\u2019re looking at the changes to the Teaching Council from clause 33 to 38B, and we\u2019ll kind of be going through that, because a substantial part of that was introduced in an Amendment Paper that was released yesterday without public consultation for that advice. Just seeking clarity from you, Mr Chair, that we\u2019re able to potentially, with the Amendment Paper from yesterday, discuss more broadly in terms of some of the intent behind it because we haven\u2019t been able to see it or have any select committee process on it. Would that be appropriate? Checking.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000993\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d0bebce3ac0a3c9da857d9fcbad504c7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, yes, but by questions and by way of elaboration and clarification.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000994\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d47db9671f32274e7d640538942daae\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, absolutely. And I will be referring to specific clauses.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000995\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002219b81df8ce772f42b552569a2f865a28\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Rather than five-minute speeches on alternatives.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000996\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022375d97f113305e042ea95bc35afc8381\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: If alternative means Amendment Papers, yes, we do have a number of\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000997\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227eaffcda734be36510986d5d6c538af5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Commentary might be a better word.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000998\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228bddf6ba38cdb94bfe4df081bc34ce5e\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Ah, cool. Thank you, Mr Chair, but I also just wanted to note what the Minister said before, and I think it\u2019s also important potentially for the other side of the Chamber to also recognise that there\u2019s still quite a bit of this bill to go as well. I want to start by looking at clause 33. Now, clause 33 is something that has been changed substantially\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470000999\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c8f7a9ccea0701d3eb881a5bd2b82980\u0022\u003ECarl Bates\u003C/span\u003E: Telling the Chair how to do his job.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001000\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241d89ecde122796db51b9339a2cb303e\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Similar to what the Minister said before: please be quiet if you want to listen to the question. When we are looking at clause 33\u2014[\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EInterruption\u003C/span\u003E] You know what? We\u2019re not going to create any sort of double standards here. If we have the decency to listen to the Minister and engage with the Minister, please do the same.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa8ddf3a96195fb69ac03b675a500d9f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: There is also a Chair here who can do so\u2014both sides. Both sides.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022733a9ec17c9aa449dc9f65021a6e42da\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. For clause 33, I want to know what the rationale was behind removing the remaining independence that the Teaching Council had in terms of elected members, because, again, we are seeing in the original bill as released that being whittled down from six to\u2014seven to three, in fact. But in this new Amendment Paper 475, all of the elected members have been removed including the related rules, so I just want to check with the Minister on that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn terms of clause 34, I do want to address the issue of what we\u2019re seeing in terms of clause 34(4), after section 476(4) insert this new thing. I want to check with the Minister: how is the Minister going to reassure the public and the teaching sector that this isn\u2019t simply the Minister\u2019s making unilateral decisions on who to appoint without any sort of consultation or be able to appoint who the Minister wants to appoint as opposed to genuinely engaging with the sector?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn this particular part, the wording is peculiar, which is: \u201CThe Minister must appoint at least 3 members who each have at least 5 years\u2019 experience in the education sector.\u201D That\u2019s not the same thing as a teacher. You could be an academic; you could be, for example\u2014I know we mentioned this before\u2014you could be Elizabeth Rata and be someone with five years\u2019 experience in the education sector but never being a teacher. I do want to check if the Minister would consider my amendment just to clarify that there should be at least one member in this case who is\u2014sorry, the Minister must appoint at least three members who each have at least five years\u2019 teaching experience as opposed to experience in the education sector. I\u2019m going to start with those, but just signalling to you, Mr Chair, that we have more questions on the Teaching Council.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022e7c5b8688bacd098496606dfa3230625\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022e7c5b8688bacd098496606dfa3230625\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (09:35)\u003C/span\u003E: I made my intentions very clear when I was sitting at select committee after the Debbie Francis review had been delivered. I told the Education and Workforce Committee that I would be taking further advice around the Teaching Council at that point, and I took further advice. The advice that I received was that there needed to be greater oversight, greater monitoring, and greater accountability of the Teaching Council because of the, frankly, quite damning Debbie Francis report.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI just want to make clear that the way to uphold the status of the profession is to have a fit-for-purpose regulator that effectively monitors and responds to the professionalism and the integrity of the teaching workforce. And when that system fails, it undermines trust in the entire profession. I know that the vast majority of teachers do operate with professionalism, integrity, and skill in the classroom, and those teachers deserve to know that they have a regulator that is supporting them through adequate monitoring of standards and enforcement on the small minority who do not act with the same integrity that they do.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI\u2019ll take the Debbie Francis report as read so you know the seriousness of this. I wanted to make sure that the board that was governing the council was fit for purpose, that they have\u2014and you can see in the bill\u2014governance, finance and risk, regulatory compliance, disciplinary processes, and understanding of the principles of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. When you look at the Francis report and you look at what I am wanting to have on the board\u2014the experience that we need\u2014you can marry those two things together. The council did not see themselves as a regulatory body; they did not see themselves as having duties around child protection. We need to have a board that is fit for purpose. I\u2019ve taken that further advice. They need to bring strategic governance and regulatory and disciplinary processes and finance skills to that board. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI do want to make sure, though, that there is a balance of people who have education experience on that board as well as these things. But given the state that the Teaching Council found themselves in, and the fact that they now have to have a KC going back and looking at cases, tells you everything you need to know about how serious this is, and as I said at the committee I think a number of times, it has to be gripped up. We need a board in there that has the requisite skills and knowledge to make sure that child protection is one of the number one focuses of the Teaching Council, but also that they see themselves as a regulatory body. You will see through the bill we are giving them more powers and more mandates to be able to oversee initial teacher education as well. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIn terms of engaging around board appointments with the sector, that\u2019s not something that typically happens when making board appointments. I would also make the point that fewer than 10 percent of the sector ever voted for\u2014not in recent memory\u2014the elected members of the Teaching Council, and I think that\u2019s what has got us into this strife. Those elected members who were a majority on the Teaching Council oversaw the decline of the Teaching Council into what we see in the Debbie Francis report. My focus is on child protection and a regulatory agency that properly upholds the professionalism and the standards of the sector, and that is what this bill does.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022b27d8609c612411686d517d0f9b09b28\u0022 data-id=\u0022465da2bec110ffd36623accdbcc24393\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b27d8609c612411686d517d0f9b09b28\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022465da2bec110ffd36623accdbcc24393\u0022\u003EDAVID MacLEOD (National\u2014New Plymouth) (09:38)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat debate on this question now close\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022 data-id=\u00224efdd22ab402fdede042f4d0db828004\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220750364c2c1444d0ae00bced720f964e\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00224efdd22ab402fdede042f4d0db828004\u0022\u003EHon GINNY ANDERSEN (Labour) (09:39)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you very much, Mr Chair. I acknowledge that we\u2019ve ripped ahead head to the Teaching Council, and I have a lot to talk about that, but I want to cover off the amendments I have and just finish up those I haven\u2019t spoken to and I\u2019ll clump them in a big lot\u2014I think there\u2019s 10 in there. I\u2019ll read them out: 4.31.09, 4.31.10, 4.31.11, 4.31.12, 4.31.13, 4.31.14, and I\u2019m going to summarise those so that we can move quickly and decisively.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe main concern in those is in and around school status and the ability for that to rest with school communities, not corporate sponsors or unconstrained ministerial discretion.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThere is a real concern\u2014and my amendment underpins that\u2014that when communities voted to convert their schools to charter schools, they exercised democratic choice. The reconversion pathway should provide the same democratic choice to reverse that decision. We believe that education is a public good requiring public governance and democratic accountability. The concerns we have with this change are to enable community-initiated reconversion, allowing school communities to request sponsor contract termination where sufficient community support exists, and to also be able to require community consultation before decisions on replacement sponsors or conversion. There are some deep concerns within New Zealand communities about what this means to take away their democratic right to have a say over their local school.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EWe really believe, and one of my amendments speaks to this, that there should be constraint on ministerial discretion. We want to define criteria for refusing reconversion and require public documentation of reasons. We would love to see, and I propose this: specify what constitutes \u201Csignificant\u201D in the bill, financial implications, and require comparison with continued charter school funding. We would love to see established evidence-based assessment of network benefit and create clear processes for measuring community support. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EIt is incredibly important that there is certainty within our schools, and that means staff employment\u2014to provide employment continuity for qualified teachers. There\u2019s nothing in this bill that stipulates what is there for that. There also is a real gap in this bill in relation to asset transfer transparency. If there\u2019s going to be a chain of charter schools that take over those schools of concern, it should specify in the Act that assets purchased within the public funding return to public ownership at no additional cost\u2014the bill is silent on that, as far as I can understand, so clarity would be good\u2014and ensure public reporting on all of those transfers of school property, if they are being transferred over into private ownership. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAlso, if we see multi-school contracts proceed, they should require separate financial reporting and administrative cost disclosure for each school. That is not clear as well\u2014whether this is in place. I would love to know whether the Minister is going to consider if there will be caps on administrative costs. Without these transparency requirements, it is a real concern that we will see an increase of chains of charter schools without any of the required transparency in place. It would be interesting to know: are there regulations to the bill that will stipulate some of these details, or are they not yet\u2014I\u2019ll sit down, Mr Chair, and make my next point in my next call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d61d5421ee4bad90de8d83fb5e6b0fa8\u0022\u003EHon David Seymour\u003C/span\u003E: Mr Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002233853328d26ae0017ac764786c40ea58\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: I take it you\u2019re answering on behalf of the Minister? The Hon David Seymour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223667a44255fa60e5434809e722892099\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Chair. Thank you, Mr Chair. As per what I mentioned before, apologies. Just want to also draw the Chair\u2019s attention to Minister Seymour\u2019s lapel. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e55a841cb7fd7fd95442f7e47238a25\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Sorry, I missed that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229346c9919b5705ea4d673c16d91e6c35\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Just to draw attention to Minister Seymour\u2019s lapel, regarding rules that we have had previously in the House. Thank you.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022 data-id=\u00229e25eedf62393ea68bc517cf6b283d48\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00229e25eedf62393ea68bc517cf6b283d48\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Education) (09:43)\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s good to see a big man focusing on big issues again. Look, I just wanted to respond, and I apologise to the committee for not being present earlier. Sometimes in education you can be put on detention, as I was, and therefore unable to be here to answer some questions. That seems to apply here too.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003ELook, the gist of the questions is that there should be a more, I guess, bureaucratic approach to monitoring the performance of charter schools, particularly as you have the possibility of multi-campus charters contemplated in this bill. But I think that misunderstands the purpose and accountability of charters. The purpose is to allow new ways of teaching and learning and administrating schools to show that education can be different. That is making an enormous difference for a lot of students, which I won\u2019t go into now\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a5fd84c351e44b6f7b9e3fdcace75570\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u0027Connor\u003C/span\u003E: At three times the cost.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022975354f05ae2873ccb8daded3e2e98b4\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: I\u2019ve heard Damien O\u2019Connor saying that it\u2019s at three times the cost. I just want to put on record that the cost of a student attending a charter school is the same as a State school.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002221b8053d0cc00ade365631eb150a1516\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u0027Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Bullshit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002243a604a01b6bdb7750008e2eb6032498\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: He\u2019s now used the word \u201Cbullshit\u201D, which shows that he doesn\u2019t only have a poor grasp of numbers but a poor grasp of languages, which is requiring him to use swear words.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002256d8a83c76e1029f6d7987a9e8ca0f2e\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u0027Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Absolute bullshit.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f9e72e6202a11c80424ab3bda5e42f9\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: However, to address this question from Ginny Andersen\u2014\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223c3c355ab1f0205b2d335dcf20e74139\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Mr O\u2019Connor, once we get away with; twice is unparliamentary.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002288295140ae273676e9f11c5ca20705ef\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: It\u2019s a new standard. You can swear once. It must be a Catholic thing. You get one indulgence.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c28c5ab7eadaed97aa672c6c04e420b0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Ministers are under the same ruling, I\u2019ll remind you, Mr Seymour.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223d2a2ea0b37c664541d936fd3eb49ab3\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: OK, Mr Chair.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00220b60f3de86f94cdcba16d6caa82b94e5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223addfed5c034b4acb8f22b86a8007021\u0022\u003EHon Damien O\u0027Connor\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Chair. I\u2019m just trying to kind of analyse the terminology that might be used in this House to try and challenge the lack of accuracy from a senior Minister\u2014in fact, the Deputy Prime Minister\u2014in this House. What other words should I use other than one that is well understood by most New Zealanders?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022982e0c2cb6140a08d45382d94ee7a7e9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The English language is fairly broad, so I think you could find a better one. Can we just get back to the topic, please?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e0a5cd136511af6ad39f6cd738b8113\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR\u003C/span\u003E: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Look, I think the purpose is to show that education can be different. The accountability is that the attendance and the achievement need to be as good or better than students with a similar set of challenges would face in a State school. As I say, I get regular reports, and certainly on attendance\u2014it\u2019s a leading indicator for achievement\u2014I am pleased to see they are achieving that. I\u2019m really proud of what charter schools are doing. That\u2019s a great piece of news.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe other thing is they\u2019re the only schools that have a contract they can actually lose if they fail to meet those attendance and achievement targets. I mean, other schools fail to reach the targets; we just say, \u201COK, how can we help?\u201D With charter schools, we say, \u201CSorry, your contract is over. We\u2019re shutting you down.\u201D That\u2019s a very big accountability. That, I believe, addresses the questions that Ginny Andersen has asked. She would like to have a lot more sort of bureaucratic controls. The whole purpose of charter schools and their accountability is to get away from that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI think it should also address a question that I understand she asked earlier, and that was about, for a charter school that converts, should there be an option to vote to go back to State school status? But here\u2019s the thing, right. You already have to exceed the outcomes of a State school to be there. If you\u2019re exceeding the outcomes and people are continuing to attend, then it\u2019s not really clear what you gain by allowing schools to flip-flop back and forth when they already face the loss of contract and, effectively, reversion to State schools anyway.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI hope that addresses the substantive questions and also some of the verbiage coming from a rather bored Labour Party backbench.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022 data-id=\u0022a214cad697574d6f2724f55430ef3682\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022a214cad697574d6f2724f55430ef3682\u0022\u003EDr LAWRENCE XU-NAN (Green) (09:48)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, Mr Chair. Also just checking with you, Mr Chair, that now the Associate Minister who is responsible for early childhood education and charter schools is here, I\u2019m able to just go back a little bit, because I know I skipped a few sections.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI do have a few questions regarding clauses 20 and 22\u2014this is sections 212I amended and 212M amended\u2014and also a question that I asked the Minister yesterday but it wasn\u2019t addressed by the Minister because, again, it\u2019s not under the Minister\u2019s delegation around schools\u2014the way that the New Zealand School Property Agency (NZSPA) works in terms of Crown land for charter schools. Potentially, that has been addressed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI want to start with clause 20. I understand some of the rationale from the Associate Minister regarding the ability to have multi-school contracts, but what I\u2019m unclear with in this section is what material, then, does the authorisation board need to be able to determine that a particular sponsor is able to operate a multi-school contract in Aotearoa New Zealand, to know that they\u2019re going to be successful, before approving one? Surely, wouldn\u2019t it be better to allow a sponsor to start one school and wait for a little while to make sure it is successful before opening the path to have multiple schools? I just want to check with the Minister on why that has been done in such a way, because I do have some amendments that suggest not just saying no to multi-school contracts but the fact that there is some sort of period where we know that they can operate within, also, the budget.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe understanding is that if some of these sponsors, who may be overseas, etc., have operated multiple ones overseas\u2014but, as we mentioned in the select committee stage, back on the Education and Training Amendment Bill No. 1 in 2024, we do know that the amount that the Government gives to charter schools in Australia, for example, is far higher than what they\u2019re able to get here in New Zealand. The balance is about 3:1 in terms of per-student cost, even with the additional cost here. We do want to know if they\u2019re able to operate one here before opening up that particular can of worms.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EClause 22, \u201CSection 212M amended\u201D: I do have an additional amendment, in terms of \u201CA notice under subsection (1) must specify\u2014\u201D. This is something that we have heard, actually, from parents who send their children to charter schools: the legislation is quite clear around only charging property maintenance fees in the legislation. However, we have heard of things where schools are charging beyond property maintenance fees in a charter school situation. I think that any fees beyond that should also be notified in this section, to give parents full transparency of what they\u2019re looking at. This is my amendment on 19 May 2026, 9.26.06, which is \u201Cany additional fees not included in the property maintenance fee\u201D\u2014if the Minister wouldn\u2019t mind considering that.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EBack to clause 34, on the Teaching Council and that whole package, I just want to check: the Minister mentioned the Debbie Francis report, and I acknowledge and have read the Debbie Francis report, but what I\u2019m unclear of\u2014because the Minister opened that particular can of worms, as well\u2014is that there were no terms of reference with the Debbie Francis report; there was no methodological approach. Essentially, the report is framed around how the Teaching Council should be regulated. I acknowledge what the Minister is saying\u2014that a child\u2019s safety is absolutely crucial\u2014but I think we are using \u201Cindependent review\u201D quite broadly here without any form of associate aspects. I want to just check in terms of, I guess, the process of how that report came to be.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENow, when we\u2019re looking at the Minister\u2019s Amendment Paper 583, I\u2019m actually going to leave it to my colleague the Hon Ginny Andersen, who\u2019s got a lot of questions probably, for clauses 33 and 35. I\u2019m going to jump just a little bit ahead because this is an area that I want to ask as part of this call\u2014actually, you know what, I\u2019m going to leave it there, Mr Chair. I\u2019ll ask in a subsequent call.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022 data-id=\u00228cc6b5e404461dfb3dde9bd5818dbcbb\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00228cc6b5e404461dfb3dde9bd5818dbcbb\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Education) (09:53)\u003C/span\u003E: Just to answer a couple of questions that were put in relation to Amendment papers and charter schools, the Government has no intention of adopting those two Amendment Papers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe idea that perhaps an operator of a multi-school charter would first have to operate one school\u2014they are actually different activities. If they\u2019re capable of operating one school, that is something that we test with the usual test: do they have community support, do they have a good educational plan, do they have a financially viable plan, do they have educational knowledge, do they have good people on their team? That\u2019s the criteria for operating a school. There are separate criteria for having a multi-school charter, and if you have passed one test, you still have to pass the other. If you can pass them both at the same time, I don\u2019t see why you wouldn\u2019t. If you can\u2019t pass either of them, you shouldn\u2019t get any school, and if you can only pass one, you just get one school. Regardless, there are two different tests for whether or not you should operate one charter or many. It would seem odd to stagger those decisions, so we reject that Amendment Paper.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAs far as the member\u2019s other comments that appear to relate to areas, I\u2019ll let Erica Stanford address if she wishes, but I suspect she already has, as is mostly the case in this discussion now.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022 data-id=\u0022fa6a76dab57985caffc67d0837134048\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002237b40d11275f4dba8e36c41507f8a1c5\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fa6a76dab57985caffc67d0837134048\u0022\u003EHon ERICA STANFORD (Minister of Education) (09:54)\u003C/span\u003E: Just to quickly round out the Debbie Francis report, it was not a report that was commissioned by the Government; it was commissioned by the Teaching Council governance board themselves, in light of protected disclosures and what they saw and the concerns that they had in the operations of the Teaching Council.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022 data-id=\u0022d0c720260f8fd3bed81afcffa768b55e\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022d0c720260f8fd3bed81afcffa768b55e\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui) (09:55)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat debate on this question now close\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ca506ad96d058803a8f7e7f247840ad9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: You\u2019ve heard the warnings now: commentary versus clarification. We\u2019ve had a lot of commentary. Clarification.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022cc5df856d19845fdaba4418087cd3bba\u0022 data-id=\u0022fc3a016bbd32b633a6b63f2b071d6172\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022cc5df856d19845fdaba4418087cd3bba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022fc3a016bbd32b633a6b63f2b071d6172\u0022\u003EHon JAN TINETTI (Labour) (09:55)\u003C/span\u003E: Thank you, and this the first time I\u2019ve been able to ask a question around the transferring of the early childhood education regulatory functions to the Education Review Office (ERO). I appreciate that the Minister the Hon David Seymour is here now. I\u2019ve only got some very quick questions that I want to ask. It was a bit of a messy process because submitters were asked to submit on this part of the bill but they were relying on another bill for this to be enacted. It was a bit of an unfortunate way, really, that that happened and occurred during the select committee process.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EOne of the aspects that came up through the select committee process\u2014and it has been addressed, but there\u2019s still huge concerns in the departmental report from that\u2014was the conflict between ERO\u2019s review and regulatory functions, because they are two quite different functions. ERO has always been\u2014and that\u2019s always been a strength of ERO, that we\u2019re talking about an independent review process, and submitters have been very concerned and are still concerned that you\u2019re clouding the difference between, in this case, that independence and then the mandatory regulatory oversight.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EI really want to ask the Minister very quickly: does ERO still hold that independent function, because that is, as I say, a strength of our system? How does he see the management between the CE of ERO appointing the Director of Regulation and keeping that regulatory function separate from the review when it\u2019s a mandatory function rather than an independent function. If we could invite the Minister to comment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022 data-id=\u002252039b2cdd02b8267cb46111b0d4a174\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00226e1ef2baa19e4b8b9dc9ee8604ae7dba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002252039b2cdd02b8267cb46111b0d4a174\u0022\u003EHon DAVID SEYMOUR (Associate Minister of Education) (09:57)\u003C/span\u003E: First of all, I understand from the Minister that these issues were addressed during this lengthy debate, actually, yesterday, but I take the member at her word that she may not have been able to hear that. In terms of this perceived conflict, you\u2019ve got to remember that there is already a conflict with the Ministry of Education being the policymaker and the regulator. We\u2019re removing that conflict. The Education Review Office (ERO) will become an entity who is there to assess the performance of the early childhood education (ECE) centres, both by performing periodic reviews\u2014that continues, in answer to the member\u2019s question\u2014and also by carrying out the regulatory role.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EI guess where you might perceive a conflict is if the reviewer was also reviewing the performance of the regulator, which is also ERO, and, as you note, the chief executive appoints the Director of Regulation. I understand all of that, but, ultimately, the assessment of the policy and the regulation now sits with the ministry. The assessment of the performance of the regulated parties\u2014in this case, the ECE centres\u2014sits with ERO. I would argue that we have a far less conflicted organisation and arrangement than we previously had.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022 data-id=\u0022600229813090f779e66a959dad8a1108\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002290f442a79aea4ce0aeae083763135935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u0022600229813090f779e66a959dad8a1108\u0022\u003ECARL BATES (National\u2014Whanganui) (09:58)\u003C/span\u003E: I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat debate on this question now close\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat debate on this question now close\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e238f14278877a5fd28af45322ced7fc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete Amendment Paper 583 is out of order as being a direct negation of the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete Part 1 of Amendment Paper 583 is out of order as being a direct negation of the question.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 two tabled amendments to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete the Amendment Paper and to delete Part\u00A01 of the Amendment Paper are out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to replace all words is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to Amendment Paper 583 amending Part\u00A01 to include references to homestays in clauses\u00A05, 11AAA, and 11AAB be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e3fcab7d1e0a6158996c453e1f7234e7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete clause 9 is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete clause\u00A09(1)(a)(i) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 two tabled amendments to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete clauses\u00A09(1)(a) and 9(1)(a)(i) are out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete clause\u00A09(1)(a)(i) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete clause\u00A09(1)(a)(ii) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete clause\u00A09(1)(a)(iii) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 proposing to delete clause\u00A09(1)(a)(b) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A010 to insert text after new section\u00A090A(4) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; 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Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a06165fbf368659eb2c60ee9a715bfe8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A010 to replace \u201CThe Minister may\u201D in new section\u00A090B(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e7bedf476c8b4c787766eb9a661ba7a5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A010 to delete subsections\u00A01(a), 1(b), and 2 of new section\u00A090B is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EArena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A010 to delete subsections\u00A01(a) and 2 of new section\u00A090B is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 deleting clause\u00A033 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022346b5d31a0732c527ea90f74db0546c2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A033 to replace \u201Cappointed by the Minister\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022801bfe64ee9b55826915c4a77a376c05\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A033 to replace \u201Cappointed by the Minister\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002273dc89d4097ed5a6e0b7f2078d88f278\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A033 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022796caa5161834cdf11f6ed7f74440748\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 deleting clause\u00A034(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022216eecb9b1e575795e2d836385e39fd1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A034 to insert paragraph\u00A0(i)(a) into new section\u00A0476(4)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7707212f3e578c30bce81a9f644cec9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A034 to insert paragraph\u00A0(v) into new section\u00A0476(4)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fe5aebf8a9f0f63f203dc36f14409958\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 to replace new section\u00A0476(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d35708e25862d3af163e06c93e72c60\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 to replace new section\u00A0476(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002211d645e07ff1f7215a8da25503697200\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A034 to replace \u201Cat least 3 members\u201D in new section\u00A0476(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002277623476a1d9e37cbe040575ce04ac49\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A034 to replace \u201Cwho each have at least 5 years\u2019\u00A0\u201D in new section\u00A0476(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226f290fa77c0c558e1bd2f24aac3266e1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A034 to replace new section\u00A0476(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a8a52c54cd3ca28dc73206629bc79db8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A035 to insert new section\u00A0478(aa) relating to providing direction to teachers be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002208f4cbc5f72a6286e984d4199edd1c43\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A035 to insert new section\u00A0478(aa) relating to enhancing the status of teachers be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc4d8821af2637c6a3d34b947b4abf70\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A035 to insert new section\u00A0478(aa) relating to identifying and disseminating best practice be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b605e6f868f74bcf2484a0e0344422f7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 deleting clause\u00A038A, new section\u00A0478(1) and (2) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A038A(3) to replace new subsection\u00A0(3) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002296b3e22dab2be7841e5837f64f17b637\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Can I please just repeat my request for the Green Party member to be on your feet a little quicker. I\u2019m happy for you to stand while the Labour Party is voting in order to get us there more quickly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022b78723aefdc74b11a47482993ca56a74\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c49fa7eed422b43dd3405013b959160a\u0022\u003EHon Dr Duncan Webb\u003C/span\u003E: Exercise.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222789439ad1f6795ca04565033bccc5be\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Well, he\u2019s still only standing up once, Dr Duncan Webb.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A038A, new section\u00A0478(3) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 deleting clause\u00A038B be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3b9a2c98366d2a12fbe45c368a9e602\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A038C, new section\u00A0482A(1) to replace \u201C3 year period\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281e78ca1e4b73e1641ba6cc82740c969\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A038C, new section\u00A0482A(2) to replace \u201C3 financial years\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227a759c342f60963f59091ec8f8ac972b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A038C inserting new section\u00A0482A(3)(ca) relating to explaining intentions to identify and disseminate best practice be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022404d3ac1c09f38fbaef31591da1822cf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A038C inserting new section\u00A0482A(3)(ca) relating to explaining intentions to enhance the status of teachers be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002286c1fda3674048fe126220a14db27a32\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A038C to delete new section\u00A0482A(4)(b) to (d) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cca93f9a37ec8ffb5592516dda4f90ec\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A038C to replace new section\u00A0482B(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc0166d78c5961910dc83eb9277ced66\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause 38C to insert new section 482C(2)(aa) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fa130ff880736e842fbfd31553a3d007\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause 38C to delete new section 482C(3) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002284ad504a58bdbf31b4cf5418dbbc9e50\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause 38C to delete new section 482C(4)(b) to (d) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f41df5f24e1aeb6e02f9ec3be82a5c76\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause 38C to replace new section 482D(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222196050bad9dcd60faaecaeb57b9237\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583, amending clause 38D to replace new section 483(3), is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause 40A to replace new section 488(1)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002225345cb1c0e79306242c6e6e41c92b7d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583, amending clause 51A to insert new section 640A(2A) relating to consulting national bodies is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583, amending clause 51A to insert new section 640A(2A) relating to reviewing regulations every three years be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 21\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 101\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe result corrected after originally being announced as Ayes 55, Noes 67.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d89c84ae305c96fd4be173d9049e974c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583, amending clause 56(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment to the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment to the amendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022971289d1bdb47c3692ac75c068a28d30\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Minister\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 583 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226ad43d0d47278089707ee8e24f70ea63\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA amending section 4 to insert \u201Csense of belonging\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226fac753da1eadd666fd9fa19479ad927\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA, amending section 4 to insert \u201Csense of inclusiveness and belonging\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022409ec215e7df21c4dbe0cba481b9e17a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA, inserting new section 4(ba) relating to encouraging curiosity be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed6cf60596ae5580dd5a6f91eaa1c3b2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA, inserting new section 4(ba) relating to encouraging pride in their identity be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a1271d7f9c16f987d69c95640d9b399e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA, inserting new section 4(ba) relating to supporting holistic learning and development be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220acd5e184f2420092b5c6a489881156a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA, inserting new section 4(ba) relating to supporting connection and care be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa593a5d43b2566302e1acd5d9ad282a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA, inserting new section 4A be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e03316bfddd83e61225a5fd67327b48a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA, inserting new section 6(1)(f) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225bfe0631143821932122a57e4c6db5aa\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA, amending section 7 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f119cac75e34c91d08953f161038dfe1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 4AAA, replacing section 8(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223dbcdb9a1e2383839957cd649deda304\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments inserting clause 4(1) and clause 11A(1AA) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f39abb52aa1434bc501ffddbd703386e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 602 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228b10c0e483399ff2e3d29bdce853e0c9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 603 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a8de334645a6ae6c88e1a5b5320bae2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 604 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ac703bf3c9b699e2a90ef1d7ca8258a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 5, amending the new definition of \u201Cschool property portfolio\u201D in section 10(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229917de3c5dff9af69d1c6542fdb68709\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 605 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f68e81963594eb859640288cf2de4ce7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 606 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223df79ca6352f0cea28c09a5c810cc1a4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause 5(3) is out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 5AA, amending section 14 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d5bc293a1326074dfe2ea1cfaf3aaca\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 5AA, amending section 14A be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d3ab6c005f0243534d3548b8e845234b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled inserting new clause 5AA, titled \u201CNew section 26A (Fees)\u201D is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMembers, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s Amendment Papers 607 to 611 would amend Part 1 by deleting provisions relating to the Director of Regulation. They form a single alternative proposition and therefore, under Standing Order 315(3)(b), I will put a single question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Papers 607 to 611 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d11aa23fd39808c28b5665424241ceae\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 5D(3) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f8b9fbb48d1d762d6a7ccc7a1f0dd36c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 5F, amending section 33 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f1dd0ec3cabcfca083af044931b60487\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 5F, amending section 34 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229ad73da5dce6502c9c6bf43195bdeb77\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Barbara Kuriger)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause 5F, amending section 37 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228e9743cf9e1a957db1b2e56c33b897e9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: We\u2019re just going to pause for a minute while we do a shift change here.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 612 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222375b091b033538564e04934f10b7d9a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A06 is out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A08, new section\u00A046(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022157cd55f770e256b5c13ffdb1b518c8e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 613 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229fee38e18b115bc698569c8250d57da6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A08A amending section\u00A053 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229d9ba4fa8e8c3953bbc549d6f03191ca\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A08A amending section\u00A082 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d9bfecf982f0a7bece79a7258e2e88cf\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A09 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2575b4708541e459a6b2130ac429b95\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A09(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d27530058644633a3c029d7b81b51a8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to replace clause\u00A09(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eee1b24115688633654ed5ca416968a9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A09(1), new subsection\u00A0(1), to insert the word \u201Cnot\u201D is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1 set out on Amendment Paper 614 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022103668a83826671083b375ede79e154a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A010, new section\u00A090A(3)(a) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c134282469efc5676e76253bb0143961\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s Amendment Papers 615 and 619 would amend Part\u00A01 by requiring peer review of new developments in educational research. They form a single alternative position, and I will put a single question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Papers 615 and 619 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022337f030ba00aaa9e1b8530389a00f986\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s Amendment Papers 616 and 620 would amend Part\u00A01 to delete references to international practice in setting curricula. They form a single alternative position, and I will put a single question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Papers 616 and 620 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022262f4f8a85315a3dd08d4c5599277f77\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s Amendment Papers 617 and 621 would amend Part\u00A01 to include reference to relevant school sector experience in curricula setting. They form a single alternative position, and I will put a single question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendments to Part 1 set out on Amendment Papers 617 and 621 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221ead7aaa312acdf5ab9c3bbcc6e63eac\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A010, new section\u00A090A(3)(c) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226dc274227e76a00e6db38f16d7236b4c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A010, new section\u00A090A(3) to insert paragraph\u00A0(d) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224847bc955b26635f0d7bc90e72e5bb84\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A0\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 618 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c159eb2383abf12a5bb7fa916ac7089\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A010, new section\u00A090B(1)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287e23a4e8df0dafd92988c8d8294f86f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A010, new section\u00A090B(1) to insert new paragraph\u00A0(e) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002261ab1bf4f38ae82c83f2717dab9ab4c6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 622 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002212d1a8f7f3b1dac352eee73dc6ea5afd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 10 to delete new section\u00A090B(2) is out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A010, new\u00A0section\u00A090B to insert new subsection\u00A0(3) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002257a0c621c5bf955739eee9c6d0d16afd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A011 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227c088cee234a9f5c3d39275f05199bb4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A011, new section\u00A091(1)(b) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 623 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002258f426a3315764360e8dabe88c0b66b4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A011AA amending section\u00A092 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220935d3d1210866e9ad07093e40e1dd23\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A011AA amending section\u00A0103 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002281a1c98513ed4f7028eec4ff521c3840\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A011A, inserting new subsection\u00A0(1AA) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002279e3d31369237e6c4fe56208bfca2658\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A011A, inserting new\u00A0subsection\u00A0(1A) to amend section\u00A0127(2)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223978ec3ee391baafeb9bb6e7df47909a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A011A, inserting new subsection\u00A0(1A) to amend section\u00A0127(2)(c)(iii) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225e7906715315d7034809f8a1c92b7e74\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A011A, inserting new subsection\u00A0(1A) to amend section\u00A0127(2)(e) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022343ff664beccd2764bdec3e795eacb22\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 624 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002235b3244b03f7e5c8a2a4254c7e79f1e8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part 1\u00A0set out on Amendment Paper 625 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b54b2ecd9db6060403fda794b41edfac\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A011A, inserting new subsection\u00A0(2A) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f69787e1b31f32b298c1e335298e888\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 626 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022429b7633f6fcbeffb74d9a2814835296\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A011B be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002251477dcb17eecd2eac67d2b00ba8d340\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A012 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aacc07b8b57a611c352c2d75f2b856bd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A013 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225eefcfb6a416c01755ff668bea4821eb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A014 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001752\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001756\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001757\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221b32e33d80d6ae22044b8443fe97dce6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A016 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002222cc08efe78e2a9d6916a44348a64b94\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A017, new section\u00A0170A(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001767\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001768\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001769\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001770\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001771\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022345831056f4d55ea3eb73c4829fb3356\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A017, new section\u00A0170B(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001772\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001773\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001774\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001775\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001776\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001777\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001778\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022118e8c2192f75fddd47fb73ed88dece5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 627 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001779\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001780\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001781\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001782\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001783\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001784\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001785\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022502e1737c3d7332ece357066cf3e9ad7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 628 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001786\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001787\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001788\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001789\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001790\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001791\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001792\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa8d7ea53a9779427ce36353e98d7263\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A017, new section\u00A0170B(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001793\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001794\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001795\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001796\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001797\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001798\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001799\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a291119663403c2e1da288b1b291d155\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A017, new section\u00A0170C(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001800\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001801\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001802\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001803\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001804\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001805\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001806\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022950bff3cae696e5f435aad910cb13964\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 629 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001807\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001808\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001809\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001810\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001811\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001812\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001813\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022596612d52facce563f0a6c4bcc36fd64\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 630 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001814\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001815\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 21\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001816\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EGreen Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001817\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 101\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001818\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; New Zealand Labour 34; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001819\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001820\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022911858d6e070d0a08fa005c92214792d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s amendment to Part\u00A01 set out on Amendment Paper 631 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001821\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001822\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001823\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001824\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001825\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001826\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001827\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022854fd3e940beb9a87403cda6fdd31bf7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s five tabled amendments inserting new clause\u00A018A, amending provisions of the Act to include the words \u201Cor the sponsor\u201D after references to the board, form a single alternative proposition, and I will put one question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001828\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s five tabled amendments inserting new clause\u00A018A, amending provisions of the Act to include the words \u201Cor the sponsor\u201D after references to the board be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001829\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001830\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001831\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001832\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001833\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001834\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001835\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002275a7a275222f74f97c062d42ce143fbc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s three tabled amendments inserting new clause\u00A018A, amending provisions of the Act to include the words \u201Cif reasonable\u201D after \u201Cpay the fees\u201D form a single alternative proposition, and I will put one question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001836\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s three tabled amendments inserting new clause\u00A018A, amending provisions of the Act to include the words \u201Cif reasonable\u201D after \u201Cpay the fees\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001837\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001838\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001839\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001840\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001841\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001842\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001843\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220d5a7fc4325cc15847342a69cd7d70b0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A018A, amending section\u00A0174(3) to replace the words \u201CThe Secretary may negotiate\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001844\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001845\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001846\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001847\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001848\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001849\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001850\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c22e3a7562028041d6672f0cbfa9f18\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A018A, amending section\u00A0174(3) to replace the words \u201Cthe Secretary may give notice\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001851\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001852\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001853\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001854\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001855\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001857\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002249973fa935128753383a48824cfd90b5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A018A, amending section\u00A0174(3) to replace the words \u201Cthe Secretary is to approve\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001858\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001859\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001860\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001861\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001862\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001863\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001864\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022116d0c84284fbb5977a2812d36564b3d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A018A, amending section\u00A0175(3) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001865\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001866\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001867\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001868\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001869\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001870\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001871\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222538aa5a313a4057d3ce6db4732bcc1c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A018A, amending section\u00A0175(4) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001872\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001873\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001874\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001875\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001876\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001877\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001878\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229bb514b0ab98eafed300be82b75f4dc7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A019A, titled \u201CSection\u00A0191\u00A0amended (Single-sex schools)\u201D is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001879\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A019A, amending section\u00A0199(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001880\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001881\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001882\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001883\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001884\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001885\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001886\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a6e0f4043e983d16013fb939425cb59\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A019A, amending section\u00A0210(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001887\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001888\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001889\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001890\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001891\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001892\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001893\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222c7447ddb698262ce0a97983783d78b7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A019A, amending section\u00A0212F be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001894\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001895\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001896\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001897\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001898\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001899\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001900\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ed1be95a757cfd18eff00d1e3a0b40b0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A019A, amending section\u00A0212G be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001901\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001902\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001903\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001904\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001905\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001906\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001907\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022fad15227cb7921002b17aee2894daffb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A019A, amending section\u00A0212H be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001908\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001909\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001911\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001912\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001913\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001914\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220e4f8fe90be7460d63e7937e4ab0f3ac\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A020 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001915\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001916\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001917\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001918\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001919\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001920\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001921\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221d1adcf00ea944c6a7c821579e12bca3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A020(1) to replace \u201C1 or more charter schools\u201D with \u201Ca maximum of 1 charter school\u201D be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001922\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001923\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001924\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001925\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001926\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001927\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001928\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225878dfebcdf83bbc1acc885e13d6d022\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A020(1) to delete \u201Cor more\u201D and replace \u201Cschools\u201D with \u201Cschool\u201D is out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001929\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A020, inserting new subclause\u00A0(1A) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001930\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001931\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001932\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001933\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001934\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001935\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001936\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224be201b6effb445b9c1e786eabfe751c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A020(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001937\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001938\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001939\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001940\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001941\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001942\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001943\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea7cf45d967ca067bf092f2a548a7b33\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A020, deleting \u201Cif applicable\u201D in new section\u00A0212I(6)(b) is out of order as not offering a serious alternative form of words.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001944\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A020(2), new subsection\u00A0(6) to insert new paragraph\u00A0(c) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001945\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001946\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001947\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001948\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001949\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001950\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001951\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002240af47ccc123c9161af06e03b58e5e77\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A020, inserting subsection\u00A0(6A) into new section\u00A0212I be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001952\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001953\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001954\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001955\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001956\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001957\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001958\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00221216519bcb2ca9a5993927c3a25ea08f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A020(2), to delete new subsection\u00A0(7)(a) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001959\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001960\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001961\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001962\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001963\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001964\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001965\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223921cb51af4359860e639e74b9f94700\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments inserting new clauses\u00A020A and 20B, amending sections\u00A0212K(1) and 212L(5)(p) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001966\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001967\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001968\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001969\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001970\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001971\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001972\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d81d2f2bb9c5288066116e4f5c8e580a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A020A, inserting new section\u00A0212L(5)(ga) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001973\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001974\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001975\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001976\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001977\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001978\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001979\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022acd7d9787d459e1bd9e650a47adb2d17\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A021 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001980\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001981\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001982\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001983\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001984\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001985\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001986\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b4df706648486c82a69ee58489a9f6c5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A021(2), to delete new subsection\u00A0(5B)(a) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001987\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001988\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001989\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001990\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001991\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001992\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001993\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229a15166a8e684b680d51a0de78ffa8a3\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A022, inserting new section\u00A0212M(2)(b)(viii) relating to an amount for the property maintenance fee under section\u00A0212W be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001994\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001995\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001996\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001997\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001998\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470001999\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002000\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229b971f9f62589101cf41e523eec025cd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A022, inserting new section\u00A0212M(2)(b)(viii) relating to any additional fees not included in property maintenance fees be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002001\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002002\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002003\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002004\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002005\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002006\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002007\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e8db686f0852cd3373d778ccb3722e40\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A022, inserting new section\u00A0212M(2)(b)(viii) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002008\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002009\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002010\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002011\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002012\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002013\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002014\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cc9441b1fdf592e4f8b597baf142ad62\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A023 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002015\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002016\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002017\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002018\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002019\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002020\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002021\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022640064196dea8f12e612c84257755d71\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A023 inserting new subclause\u00A0(1A) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002022\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002023\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002024\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002025\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002026\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002027\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002028\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226deade5d88dd8aaf8e07cb151abb7a21\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A023 deleting new section\u00A0212O(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002029\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002030\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002031\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002032\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002033\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002034\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002035\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u002235984f61527b4059ae9284acf3c4076b\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ea16a6117cf6b3073b36053970d6f514\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Maureen Pugh)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A024 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002036\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002037\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002038\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002039\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002040\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002041\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002042\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c1e8b240f0b108777ccfe301d378bfcd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A024A amending section\u00A0212W be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002043\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002044\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002045\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002046\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002047\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002048\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002049\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e2e7155fc6a583ca0324fd421b6f8532\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A024A amending section\u00A0212X be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002050\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002051\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002052\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002053\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002054\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002055\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002056\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002285845cb2abb283b02c3820990ea2d64a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A024A amending section\u00A0212ZA be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002057\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002058\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002059\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002060\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002061\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002062\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002063\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ccbf3d877901e41609639126ba7f3744\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A024A repealing section\u00A0212ZE be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002064\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002065\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002066\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002067\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002068\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002069\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002070\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba0d4ba879f2bb7db28e038c7b2d8b46\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 25\u00A0to delete new section\u00A0212ZEA be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002071\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002072\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002073\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002074\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002075\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002076\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002077\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229435f8ebc2d1e757808a28bb46b51189\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to clause\u00A025 replacing \u201Cmust\u201D with \u201Cmay\u201D in new section\u00A0212ZEA(2) and deleting new section\u00A0212ZEB(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002078\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002079\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002080\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002081\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002082\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002083\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002084\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002263e0d6a15ba62a1e0cfc3ff7789cfd90\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to clause\u00A025 amending new section\u00A0212ZEA(2) and deleting new section\u00A0212ZEA(3) and (4) and new section\u00A0212ZEB(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002085\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002086\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002087\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002088\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002089\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002090\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002091\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002223fc3c31edc7c9bb338105f82e51ae60\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A025, new section\u00A0212ZEA(2) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002092\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A025, new section\u00A0212ZEA to delete subsections\u00A0(3) and (4) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002093\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002094\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002095\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002096\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002097\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002098\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002099\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022347001366bdd3322aa505c11345e2dc4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s two tabled amendments to clause 25\u00A0inserting new section\u00A0212ZEB(3A) and (6A), relating to community support for replacement schools, form a single alternative proposition, and I will put one question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002100\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s two tabled amendments to clause\u00A025 inserting new section\u00A0212ZEB(3A) and (6A) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002101\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002102\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002103\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002104\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002105\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002106\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002107\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a13575b4c7bd89251170a4af6e2000dc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A025, new section\u00A0212ZEB(6) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002108\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002109\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002110\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002111\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002112\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002113\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002114\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c3768dd92bf5470f4e3c3d43630a89f5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A026, replacing new paragraph\u00A0(f) of section\u00A0212ZF(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002115\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002116\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002117\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002118\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002119\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002120\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002121\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b7118879cf9bf6a024daae9cd2f1f17\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A026(1), new paragraph\u00A0(f) to delete subparagraph\u00A0(ii) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002122\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002123\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002124\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002125\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002126\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002127\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002128\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228eeee1c516cea1e399147bd5c978adb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A026A repealing section\u00A0212ZJ be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002129\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002130\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002131\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002132\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002133\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002134\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002135\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c5eedce2ac87b2c75208ed30a9d98177\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments deleting clauses\u00A027, 28(a), and 30 relate to the role of the Director of Regulation and form a single alternative proposition. I will put a single question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002136\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to delete clauses\u00A027, 28(a), and 30 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002137\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002138\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002139\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002140\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002141\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002142\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002143\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225c4ab7d3f6535791f1a38e2cd1516401\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendments to delete clauses 27\u00A0and 30 are out of order as being the same in substance as previous amendments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002144\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A028 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002145\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002146\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002147\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002148\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002149\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002150\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002151\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ddf44b1fa69d6f8dd6139972f078f28\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A028A amending section\u00A0237(3) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002152\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002153\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002154\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002155\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002156\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002157\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002158\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002206891f426b38fe43f8a8143aea36aee6\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A028A amending section\u00A0237(3) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002159\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002160\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002161\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002162\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002163\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002164\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002165\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c9b9c1db3e762cb45f267ef808cb7bc0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A029 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002166\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002167\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002168\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002169\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002170\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002171\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002172\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022c04d1c2d37ce8296e99188c1574726b4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A029 is out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002173\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A029, new section\u00A0239 to delete subsection\u00A0(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002174\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002175\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002176\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002177\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002178\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002179\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002180\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224b3cda5aa7f0313f6566e0f60d762e33\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 29, replacing \u201C$3,000\u201D with \u201C$500\u201D in new section\u00A0239(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002181\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002182\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002183\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002184\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002185\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002186\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002187\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226a00cca28981117f666464e7949b7392\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A029, replacing \u201C$3,000\u201D with \u201C$3\u201D in new section\u00A0239(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002188\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002189\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002190\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002191\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002192\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002193\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002194\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002241f91f2585d17b31ec89ff6fb39ee199\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A029A amending section\u00A0243 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002195\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002196\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002197\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002198\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002199\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002200\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002201\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b6e52e042b013cc57a7558207d6e9491\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A029A amending section\u00A0244 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002202\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002203\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002204\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002205\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002206\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002207\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002208\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b9d49a46b658691f9c5ff92f29d416d1\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A029A, amending section\u00A0244 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002209\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002210\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002211\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002212\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002213\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002214\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002215\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00227d3da0b1ea3be9176de83f4ca8557935\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A030A amending section\u00A0281 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002216\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002217\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002218\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002219\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002220\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002221\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002222\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224f97a0d8d4a22d7911dc07e582780e53\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A030A amending section\u00A0281A(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002223\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002224\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002225\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002226\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002227\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002228\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002229\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac5312bfc2eb6cb49e6b97de45edbcf7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Arena Williams\u2019 tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A030A amending section\u00A0281A(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002230\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002231\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002232\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002233\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002234\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002235\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002236\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222930cd96cf13eecdec75a96f2d0ef50c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A030A amending section\u00A0281B be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002237\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002238\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002239\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002240\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002241\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002242\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002243\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002228d8bd81830350068373af5310f75d33\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 31 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002244\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002245\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002246\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002247\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002248\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002249\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002250\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002289cbcd2bc2d0ec0df65da46b3d9a3bdb\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A031A amending section\u00A0415(6) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002251\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002252\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002253\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002254\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002255\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002256\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002257\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022362295831fb5cae6b0796d555738b360\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s eight tabled amendments to clause\u00A033 are out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002258\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s three tabled amendments to clause\u00A033 are out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002259\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s three tabled amendments to delete clause\u00A034 are out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002260\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A034(1) to replace new subsection\u00A0(1) be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002261\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002262\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002263\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002264\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002265\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002266\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002267\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228126e6f473da01d01290c0830d134c9d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to clause\u00A034 replacing references to public notification in section\u00A0476 with references to the \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EGazette\u003C/span\u003E be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002268\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002269\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002270\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002271\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002272\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002273\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002274\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022735f91f8b48637d2437152d10464aca7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s five tabled amendments to clause\u00A034 inserting subparagraphs\u00A0(vi) into new section\u00A0476(4)(b) are out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002275\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A034(2) is out of order as not being in the correct form of legislation.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002276\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A034A be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002277\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002278\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002279\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002280\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002281\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002282\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002283\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a7d94cd0568277fc31b532a591a89087\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A035 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002284\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002285\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002286\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002287\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002288\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002289\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002290\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222bcd86ff39d2969eba3ce2c1edef23f9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A036 inserting paragraph\u00A0(aa) into new section\u00A0479(1) relating to providing direction for teachers be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002291\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002292\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002293\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002294\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002295\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002296\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002297\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223b6af00f420d69f9f2790f50af60d3ec\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A036 inserting paragraph\u00A0(aa) into new section\u00A0479(1) relating to enhancing the status of teachers be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002298\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002299\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002300\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002301\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002302\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002303\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002304\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022a583f5d6028db55d9ac92a64e0d8d8c9\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A036 inserting paragraph\u00A0(aa) into new section\u00A0479(1) relating to identifying and disseminating best practice be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002305\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002306\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002307\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002308\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002309\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002310\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002311\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7e58a8f7a7524fc197b3ad05abdf9fd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A036(1) new subsection\u00A0(1) to insert new paragraphs\u00A0(j) and (k) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002312\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002313\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002314\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002315\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002316\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002317\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002318\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022188b95e32c2f015d747e7c8eebdad469\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A036(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002319\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002320\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002321\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002322\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002323\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002324\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002325\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002293a6749e30abdb51074b9e8494cb2080\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A036(3) to replace new subsection\u00A0(3B) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002326\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002327\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002328\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002329\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002330\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002331\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002332\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ac27d7e76c66e8bdeb22e1be447449ee\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A036 inserting new subsection\u00A0(3C) into section\u00A0479 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002333\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002334\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002335\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002336\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002337\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002338\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002339\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cb8fcf7df4e6a3bbd925da1450fcdc76\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A037 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002340\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002341\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002342\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002343\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002344\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002345\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002346\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022905b5a245311bd89f0ed9ac56dcc680a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A037 is out of order as being the same in substance as a previous amendment.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002347\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A038 inserting new paragraphs\u00A0(d) to (f) into new section\u00A0480A(1) be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002348\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002349\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002350\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002351\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002352\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002353\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002354\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226c5e0fe34bf41dfcb48d7eb7ae08abd8\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A038A amending section\u00A0483 is out of order as being inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002355\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A039(2A) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002356\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002357\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002358\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002359\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002360\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002361\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002362\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b2b16ff44119dbd4ec88e4f5170aa1ee\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A040 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002363\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002364\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002365\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002366\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002367\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002368\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002369\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022854f78ffc95ef51bf7a94880f84129d7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A041 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002370\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002371\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002372\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002373\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002374\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002375\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002376\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022727197bd5bf64f39dba51277d23d3419\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201Cnot more than 9\u201D in new section\u00A0517D(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002377\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002378\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002379\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002380\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002381\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002382\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002383\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022777454beb81fbe8ebaaa54c451162e83\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042, new section\u00A0517D(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002384\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002385\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002386\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002387\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002388\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002389\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002390\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002287c1405be76f95b89d1f640c100d9392\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, there are eight tabled amendments from Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan proposing to insert paragraphs\u00A0(g) into new section\u00A0517D(3) relating to areas of knowledge of New Zealand School Property Agency board members. To test the will of the committee, I will put the question on three of those amendments.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002391\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting paragraph\u00A0(g) into new section\u00A0517D(3) relating to environmental protection be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002392\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002393\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002394\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002395\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002396\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002397\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002398\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022eb084e879d774fe299d0e1657d87d4cc\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting paragraph\u00A0(g) into new section\u00A0517D(3) relating to sustainability and sustainable building design be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002399\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002400\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002401\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002402\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002403\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002404\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002405\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00226233bb65c8c57d7935af758ad8043682\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042, inserting paragraph\u00A0(g) into new section\u00A0517D(3) relating to Te Tiriti o Waitangi be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002406\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002407\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002408\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002409\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002410\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002411\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002412\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022676a08310cf664cda9807e9774a1bb13\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the will of the committee having been tested, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s remaining five tabled amendments to insert paragraphs\u00A0(g) into new section\u00A0517D(3) are out of order as inconsistent with a previous decision of the committee.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002413\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting paragraph\u00A0(aa) into new section\u00A0517E relating to ongoing learning opportunities be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002414\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002415\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002416\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002417\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002418\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002419\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002420\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d1f31bee6ef6753ee578b528a7dd9821\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting paragraph\u00A0(aa) into new section\u00A0517E relating to a long-term sustainable plan be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002421\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002422\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002423\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002424\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002425\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002426\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022 data-id=\u002255162f109a5df6d38def39edc7f8da15\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002427\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cdfceb3207b43e8a21b346f9376ddc7\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u002255162f109a5df6d38def39edc7f8da15\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Teanau Tuiono) (12:59)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, we have reached\u2014well nearly reached, in a few seconds\u20141 p.m. and I would like to explain what will happen next. Before we reach the question on Part\u00A01 itself, the committee must first deal with the amendments to Part\u00A01, and I have a reference here to Standing Orders, which is 315(2). The Chairperson defers the interruption of business until the amendments are dealt with\u2014see Standing\u00A0Orders\u00A053(2)(a). The committee, therefore, is continuing beyond 1\u00A0p.m. There are many amendments still to be dealt with and this will take some time. However, extended sittings are not urgency and have no ability to run on into another sitting day.  If the committee is still dealing with this part, I will interrupt the voting and report progress in time to allow another sitting to commence at 2 p.m. I have consulted the Speaker, and the appropriate time to report progress would be 1.50 p.m. OK, I\u2019m going to crack on with some more questions.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002428\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A031A amending section\u00A0415(6) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002429\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002430\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002431\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002432\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002433\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002434\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002435\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f3f8ca32686920fb2fef28eacbcc4a4c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 new section\u00A0517E to insert new paragraph\u00A0(c) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002436\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002437\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002438\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002439\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002440\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002441\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002442\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00224c96afd0e0b1faa3dc438a325f128a85\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042, inserting subparagraph\u00A0(iii) into new section\u00A0517F(1)(b) relating to healthy environment standards be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002443\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002444\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002445\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002446\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002447\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002448\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002449\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228331d97b48071c4c6e4458bea360e988\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042, inserting subparagraph\u00A0(iii) into new section\u00A0517F(1)(b) relating to universal design be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002450\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002451\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002452\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002453\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002454\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002455\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002456\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002214a062ef7868231d6b894f47bab07dd5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting subparagraph\u00A0(ia) into new section\u00A0517F(1)(d) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002457\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002458\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002459\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002460\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002461\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002462\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002463\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00225117e35d78a8f65fcac556efb0edec1b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting paragraph\u00A0(ga) into new section\u00A0517F(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002464\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002465\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002466\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002467\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002468\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002469\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002470\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bfbb7c9505a6be2a027411831fee814f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting subparagraph\u00A0(iii) into new section\u00A0517F(1)(h) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002471\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002472\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002473\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002474\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002475\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002476\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002477\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022018b58c635693dab082eae0c01124c02\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517F(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002478\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002479\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002480\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002481\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002482\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002483\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002484\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022479e580448a163f701b63ca3959d5665\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517G(1)(c) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002485\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002486\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002487\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002488\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002489\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002490\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002491\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220eac551510bdf69d127454191c1d8203\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201Cat any reasonable time\u201D in new section\u00A0517H(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002492\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002493\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002494\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002495\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002496\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002497\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002498\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f2136982d0fcd9e69aa999815936813d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201Creasonable notice\u201D in new section\u00A0517H(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002499\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002500\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002501\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002502\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002503\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002504\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002505\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002202e7597cd641722c61d88e53d0d3af1d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s three tabled amendments to clause\u00A042, amending new sections\u00A0517H(2) and (3)(b) and (3)(c) to require New Zealand School Property Agency (NZSPA) notices to be in writing form a single alternative proposition, and I will put one question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002506\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendments to clause\u00A042, amending new sections\u00A0517H(2) and (3)(b) and (3)(c) to require NZSPA notices to be in writing be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002507\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002508\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002509\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002510\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002511\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002512\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002513\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002289fc61818538f5b9d77fb44ea2536ec2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201Cremove\u201D with \u201Cobtain\u201D in new section\u00A0517H(2)(c) is out of order as not offering a serious alternative form of words.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002514\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201Cremove\u201D with \u201Ctake\u201D in new section\u00A0517H(2)(c) is out of order as not offering a serious alternative form of words.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002515\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 deleting new section\u00A0517H(2)(c) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002516\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002517\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002518\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002519\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002520\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002521\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002522\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022490274c705eea01ce7d4275bdc12096e\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201C48 hours\u2019 notice\u201D with \u201C5 working days\u2019 notice\u201D in new section\u00A0517H(3)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002523\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002524\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002525\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002526\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002527\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002528\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002529\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228567fb2ad00edb36231f7e929adf44c7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042, replacing \u201C4\u00A0weeks\u201D with \u201C2\u00A0months\u201D in new section\u00A0517H(3)(b), be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002530\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002531\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002532\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002533\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002534\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002535\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002536\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022168d0f17ced4e09f642aea1e110c027f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201C24\u00A0hours\u2019 notice\u201D with \u201C48\u00A0hours\u2019 notice\u201D in new section\u00A0517H(3)(c) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002537\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002538\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002539\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002540\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002541\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002542\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002543\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022921f6118a993f3cf7210ab4fa5877129\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing new section\u00A0517H(4) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002544\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002545\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002546\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002547\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002548\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002549\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002550\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222baa8ec480cf1ed8b9208f5c80d23a6d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause 42\u00A0replacing \u201Cmust facilitate\u201D with \u201Cmay facilitate\u201D in new section\u00A0517H(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002551\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002552\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002553\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002554\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002555\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002556\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002557\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022242010eac8a11e77b722150e89ea0db7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517H(8)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002558\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002559\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002560\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002561\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002562\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002563\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002564\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002295e460a8d90f519c18dba1b62dcf7b1b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517I(a) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002565\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002566\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002567\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002568\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002569\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002570\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002571\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002200560c8967688728c47b434b46c7d399\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s seven tabled amendments to clause\u00A042 amending new sections\u00A0517K, 517L, 517M, 517N, 517O, and 517P to apply various activities of the NZSPA to charter schools form a single alternative proposition, and I will put one question on them.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002572\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s seven tabled amendments to clause\u00A042 amending new sections\u00A0517K, 517L, 517M, 517N, 517O, and 517P to apply various activities of the NZSPA to charter schools, be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002573\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendments be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002574\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002575\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002576\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002577\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002578\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendments not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002579\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223bb1a759e338f48ed20a12e3396b1f90\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting \u201Cand charter school\u201D into new section\u00A0517K be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002580\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002581\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002582\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002583\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002584\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002585\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002586\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222ed8f99efbed59481c33825d0475b2b5\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting \u201Cif reasonable\u201D into new section\u00A0517L(4)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002587\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002588\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002589\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002590\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002591\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002592\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002593\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222e797c86b9a533783ebd8d0de3ad5e57\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201Cmay\u201D with \u201Cmust\u201D in new section\u00A0517M(4) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002594\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002595\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002596\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002597\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002598\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002599\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002600\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002276cce9c1f5445a3689992d3be60bb478\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201Cmay give notice\u201D with \u201Cmust give notice\u201D in new section 517M(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002601\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002602\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002603\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002604\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002605\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002606\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002607\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022f6befda17c2551295fdb16c521dbab65\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 replacing \u201CNZSPA will approve\u201D with \u201CNZSPA may approve\u201D in new section\u00A0517M(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002608\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002609\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002610\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002611\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002612\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002613\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002614\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022954cf47fc31d93bd7f9d115b8c997405\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 deleting new section\u00A0517N(1)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002615\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002616\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002617\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002618\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002619\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002620\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002621\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00223f67ae4480bf124a6fea5897919e304f\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517N(3) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002622\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002623\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002624\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002625\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002626\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002627\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002628\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7b3899f46bd0c4fbb3d868c22641ac0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517N(4) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002629\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002630\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002631\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002632\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002633\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002634\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002635\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00228332094150da749ff568e5a3bf7ea430\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting \u201Cif reasonable\u201D into new section\u00A0517O(4)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002636\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002637\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002638\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002639\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002640\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002641\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002642\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002292aa32fb16876cfb5c359af5a7a152f0\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Chair. I just want to seek your clarification: can the Minister in the seat double up as a Minister in the House? There are currently no other Ministers in the House.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002643\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002230a9b14b2348095f71d720013138f57b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Yes.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002644\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517Q be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002645\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002646\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002647\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002648\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002649\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002650\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002651\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022de4c24f5cd7a03c20282b94afcde5d35\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 deleting new section\u00A0517S be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002652\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002653\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002654\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002655\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002656\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002657\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002658\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022aa20361a244fbd959ed1cdfaee88d0c2\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042, inserting \u201Con the administration of education property\u201D into new section\u00A0517S(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002659\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002660\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002661\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002662\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002663\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002664\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002665\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d8cb91380d80566054d24b2df05a6409\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the result of an earlier vote was incorrectly announced. The vote on Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to Amendment Paper 583 amending clause\u00A051A to insert new section\u00A0640A(2A) relating to reviewing regulations every three years was announced as Ayes\u00A055, Noes\u00A067. The correct result is Ayes\u00A021, Noes\u00A0101. The record will be corrected accordingly.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002666\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EThe question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 inserting paragraph\u00A0(d) into new section\u00A0517S(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002667\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002668\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002669\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002670\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002671\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002672\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002673\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022976394808d28c12cbe9893ef0368dbcd\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517S(3)(b) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002674\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002675\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002676\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002677\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002678\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002679\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002680\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d29280eed88718880f96fe28dc6318af\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517S(5) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002681\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002298fe718411ab18afd8949978d5943e53\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: Point of order, Mr Chair. Seeking guidance from you: what happens when the major party, the National Party, have fewer than five people in the House\u2014what would that mean for the vote?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002682\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022cf37359469471045978d574b522e189b\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: It doesn\u2019t mean anything, Dr Xu-Nan.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002683\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002684\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002685\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002686\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002687\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002688\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002689\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ab941093e8cbd8df6689c3a657fc05a7\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517S(6) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002690\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002691\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002692\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002693\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002694\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002695\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002696\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e47b2095358e965cbda9a829d73b0e31\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Just to address that last point of order. The quorum for the House is three: myself, the Clerk, and the Minister. So keep an eye on those numbers.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002697\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00229c0e92bfc71b24871a33a645e5ceb4f6\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: OK. Apologies, just checking, that is specifically for the committee stage?\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002698\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220471e4ce03dde155bd219b87ecf1a527\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: That\u2019s correct.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002699\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022bac3dcb6103a48d3bcead8563342a856\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b3df66c3f880d8b8d8aed59bc752eefd\u0022\u003EDr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u003C/span\u003E: OK, thank you. That\u2019s good to know.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002700\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00222a0446d885725a1cb60de002d23de67d\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042, inserting paragraph\u00A0(ba) into new section\u00A0517U relating to consulting boards of State schools be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002701\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002702\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002703\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002704\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002705\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002706\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002707\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u00220ee2d5a890fca254fefa0e52d4b0ace4\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042, inserting paragraph\u00A0(ba) into new section\u00A0517U relating to kura kaupapa M\u0101ori be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002708\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002709\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002710\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002711\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002712\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002713\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002714\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022ba60308b9cf62e7b3d25fbf026217d93\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517V(1)(a)(i) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002715\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002716\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002717\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002718\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002719\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002720\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002721\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022bbfffeb45e9d2d719eca2306ff936c20\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment to clause\u00A042 amending new section\u00A0517Z(2) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002722\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002723\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002724\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002725\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002726\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002727\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002728\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d198a2cee96b4b17b3c32a93f8abc369\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A044 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002729\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002730\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002731\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002732\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002733\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002734\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002735\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u002255a8757a07cb419ee00f72836d3d62aa\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that Dr Lawrence Xu-Nan\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A044A amending section\u00A0589(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002736\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002737\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002738\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002739\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002740\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002741\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002742\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022d7393ed8c7349d3e0ef820e0a0546462\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment inserting new clause\u00A044A amending section\u00A0589(1) be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002743\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002744\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002745\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002746\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002747\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002748\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002749\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022e964d5898da2d8630f3a1e742b76df7a\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: The question is that the Hon Ginny Andersen\u2019s tabled amendment to delete clause\u00A046 be agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002750\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EA party vote was called for on the question, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the amendment be agreed to. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002751\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EAyes 55\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002752\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand Labour 34; Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand 15; Te P\u0101ti M\u0101ori 4; Ferris; Kapa-Kingi.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002753\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003ENoes 67\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002754\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003ENew Zealand National 48; ACT New Zealand 11; New Zealand First 8. \u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002755\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EAmendment not agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002756\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022b8b1fd2d27018a0b66e4cc1c61b2c69c\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor)\u003C/span\u003E: Members, the time has come for me to report progress.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002757\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EProgress to be reported.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002758\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EHouse resumed.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002759\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002237f7f1370762e1c83ee753b2fa8a3af4\u0022\u003ERedress System for Abuse in Care Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002760\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubjectHeading\u0022 id=\u002237f7f1370762e1c83ee753b2fa8a3af4\u0022\u003EEducation and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002761\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsSubproceedingHeading\u0022 id=\u0022f41b543549d229fe05ce621e366f3960\u0022\u003EReport of Committee of the whole House\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\u003Ca name=\u0022member\u0022 data-type=\u0022article\u0022 data-memberid=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022 data-id=\u00222e3e340fd60b381d04923fadbf7027e0\u0022\u003E\u003C/a\u003E\u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002762\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u0022c4943fd1cf914de0befcb7a16280f910\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsByToc\u0022 id=\u00222e3e340fd60b381d04923fadbf7027e0\u0022\u003ECHAIRPERSON (Greg O\u0027Connor) (13:49)\u003C/span\u003E: Madam Speaker, the committee has further considered the Redress System for Abuse in Care Bill and reports it with amendment. The committee has also considered the Education and Training (System Reform) Amendment Bill and reports that it has made progress on the bill. I move, \u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsCharacterItalics\u0022\u003EThat the report be adopted\u003C/span\u003E.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002763\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EMotion agreed to.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002764\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsItem\u0022\u003EReport adopted.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002765\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsNormal\u0022 id=\u00224cf6752dabf34d0eb8ae92457823e4ba\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsBy\u0022 id=\u0022750d87b8f245e8bbdc6a726a33d6d823\u0022\u003EDEPUTY SPEAKER\u003C/span\u003E: The House stands adjourned until 2 p.m. today.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n      \u003Cp id=\u0022id20260519fc28780c8dd641c470002766\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022HpsContinued\u0022\u003E\u003Cspan class=\u0022CharacterBoldCentred\u0022\u003EThe House adjourned at 1.50 p.m.\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/span\u003E\u003C/p\u003E\n    \u003C/div\u003E\n  \u003C/body\u003E\n\u003C/html\u003E"